[12:14] <soulrider> denisel: i havnt been able to find anything yet, try searching on google and on http://ubuntuforums.org
[12:14] <dwidmann> wolfwalker: kipi-plugins are a set of image related plugins for gwenview and digikam that do a variety of things
[12:14] <Daisuke_Ido> so...  K3b 0.12.17 isn't recent?
[12:15] <denisel> ok
[12:15] <Schuenemann> Mez: I installed but still no sounds with kmplayer and vlc doesn't even play it
[12:15] <dwidmann> Yes and no Daisuke_Ido
[12:15] <Schuenemann> Daisuke_Ido: that's the latest release as I know
[12:15] <steve_> dwidmann: was your message that you do use vmware server?
[12:15] <Alarm> hello. when i try to run something as su , i get ; alarm@rockpc:/$ sudo updatedb
[12:15] <Alarm> sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Jan 16 17:02:11 2007
[12:15] <sleepy495> agente2012, one more question, how do I install the latest java?
[12:15] <Alarm> why is that /
[12:16] <Schuenemann> sleepy495: you have to download it manually from sun's site
[12:16] <Daisuke_Ido> how yes and how no?
[12:16] <Schuenemann> I'd install java 5 if I were you
[12:16] <Schuenemann> via apt-get
[12:16] <wolfwalker> Oh yeah, one more thing. Pic editor
[12:16] <wolfwalker> What picture editor should I get?
[12:16] <Daisuke_Ido> latest in the .12 branch, but the 1.0 RC line supercedes it?
[12:16] <dwidmann2> gah, I keep getting disconnected
[12:16] <Schuenemann> wolfwalker: GIMP?
[12:17] <Daisuke_Ido> gimp or krita
[12:17] <sleepy495> Schuenemann, sudo apt-get (what then)?
[12:17] <wolfwalker> Also, why can I not see all the files on my computer? I'm used to Windows Explorer, being able to see ALL files.
[12:18] <kkosmo> !grub
[12:18] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:18] <dwidmann2> wolfwalker: in konqueror, view -> show hidden files
[12:18] <Schuenemann> sleepy495: you want JRE or JDK?
[12:18] <Mez> wolfwalker - view -> hidden files
[12:18] <wolfwalker> People keep saying in konqueror. What is Konqueror and where is it?
[12:19] <Daisuke_Ido> konqueror is your file manager
[12:19] <JosefK> wolfwalker: konqueror is the file browser, like explorer
[12:19] <sleepy495> I'm not familiar with those, what's the difference? I'm on Edgy 6.10
[12:19] <hassan2a_> !french
[12:19] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:19] <Schuenemann> konqueror is the default web browser and file manager
[12:19] <wolfwalker> Hey, I told you I was a newbie :P
[12:19] <Daisuke_Ido> fair enough :)
[12:19] <wolfwalker> So how do you access it?
[12:19] <agente2012> sleepy495:  add repository:  deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ breezy java
[12:19] <dwidmann2> konqueror = awesomeness in a window
[12:19] <Schuenemann> sleepy495: JDK is the development toolkit. if you don't know what JDK is, you probably don't want it
[12:19] <agente2012> lasted in Adept manger package
[12:19] <agente2012> in seach
[12:19] <agente2012> sun-java
[12:20] <JosefK> wolfwalker: just open up a window, say to your Home or the root ('/') of your filesystem, open the "View" menu and select "Show Hidden Files"
[12:20] <agente2012> request install
[12:20] <dwidmann2> "sudo aptitude install sun-java5-jre"
[12:20] <Schuenemann> damn... I'll guess I'll stick with kaffeine and use mplayer when I need FLV
[12:20] <JosefK> agente2012: don't try to install sun-java using adept
[12:20] <wolfwalker> 10/4
[12:20] <wolfwalker> Thanks
[12:20] <dwidmann2> Schuenemann: did you try using -ao alsa as an argument to mplayer in the kmplayer config?
[12:21] <Schuenemann> dwidmann2: to mplayer or kmplayer?
[12:21] <agente2012> JosefK: is easy
[12:21] <Mez> wolfwalker - we're all newbies sometimes, which is why we're happy to help :D
[12:21] <K-Ryan> !wine
[12:21] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[12:21] <JosefK> agente2012: no, it's impossible - you can't accept the DLJ license using the terminal adept uses for configuration
[12:21] <Schuenemann> dwidmann2: Unknown option: -ao
[12:22] <Mez> fun - wolfwalker wasnt even using linux ;)
[12:22] <JosefK> agente2012: you wind up having to kill adept and dpkg, then force a reconfigure manually
[12:22] <dwidmann2> kmplayer -> configure -> general options -> mplayer. Set the mplayer command to "mplayer -ao alsa"
[12:22] <sleepy495> dwidman, that command you gave me, is it safe to use to install java?
[12:22] <denisel> im just getting a bunch of stuff to download and i dont know witch one
[12:22] <dwidmann2> or wait
[12:23] <dwidmann2> better yet, leave the "mplayer command" alone, and put "-ao alsa" in additional command line arguments
[12:23] <agente2012> JosefK: I accept the license from Adept ... simply showing the process of installation xD
[12:23] <denisel> the last time it worked was when i had a cd for the comp but i lost the cd my brother said it sould work with out the cd but i thinki i might need it
[12:23] <agente2012> ;)
[12:24] <agente2012> hi [GuS] 
[12:24] <Schuenemann> dwidmann2: I tried and no dice... weird that those arguments get erased when I restart
[12:25] <dwidmann2> Schuenemann: weird indeed, make sure that kmplayer is set to use the mplayer engine and not xine (which is likely the default)
[12:25] <Schuenemann> sorry, how do I check that?
[12:26] <dwidmann2> right click in the play window, play with -> mplayer
[12:26] <Schuenemann> oops, that was stupid
[12:26] <soulrider> does anyone know if solaris is based on linux ?
[12:26] <Schuenemann> on unix
[12:26] <agente2012> on unix
[12:26] <agente2012> BSD on uni
[12:26] <soulrider> oh, ok
[12:26] <agente2012> solaris too
[12:27] <agente2012> unix**
[12:27] <soulrider> becuase sun is shipping solaris DVDs for free
[12:27] <Schuenemann> dwidmann2: going well now :)
[12:27] <agente2012> soulrider:  and serious?
[12:27] <agente2012> xD
[12:27] <Schuenemann> interesting that mplayer renders a lot better than xine
[12:27] <Schuenemann> xine was very slow
[12:27] <soulrider> they really are...
[12:28] <sleepy495> so the best way to install the latest java is just to type sudo aptitude install sun-java5-jre ?
[12:28] <Schuenemann> latest java is 6
[12:29] <sleepy495> really? what should I type then? just replace 5 with 6 using the aptitude command?
[12:29] <soulrider> sleepy495: i dont think its on the repos yet
[12:29] <Schuenemann> I don't think is available through apt
[12:29] <N6REJ> soulrider: solaris is a serious enterprise ready OS
[12:29] <agente2012> what date go KDE 4?
[12:29] <denisel> oh u have to put A50 on the end to find the camra im useing
[12:29] <dwidmann2> soulrider: nor will it be, at all
[12:29] <Schuenemann> just install 5
[12:29] <dwidmann2> agente2012: maybe in 6 months or so
[12:29] <sleepy495> ok
[12:29] <agente2012> thank dwidmann2
[12:30] <Schuenemann> dwidmann2: why java 6 won't be in the repositories?
[12:30] <dwidmann2> Schuenemann: probably will be in the repos for feisty, but not dapper or edgy
[12:30] <Schuenemann> ahh..
[12:30] <soulrider> agente2012: unless youre developing i don think you need to worry about having java6
[12:30] <N6REJ> Schuenemann: ubuntu lags a bit behind on releases
[12:31] <Schuenemann> actually it has nothing to do with developping
[12:31] <Schuenemann> it's not JDK
[12:31] <soulrider> Schuenemann: i know
[12:31] <soulrider> but unless he wants to develop for java
[12:31] <Schuenemann> but I don't know any applications up to know that REQUIRE version 6
[12:31] <soulrider> its ok if he gets java 5
[12:31] <Schuenemann> up to now*
[12:31] <soulrider> yeah, i havnt seen any either
[12:32] <soulrider> i dont think there were many changes in java 6
[12:32] <grumbly> hello... how do I mount a smb share at boot for all users?
[12:32] <Schuenemann> but I have 6 anyway :)
[12:32] <JosefK> !smbfs
[12:32] <ubotu> smbfs: mount and umount commands for the smbfs (for kernels >= than 2.2.x). In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.22-1ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 375 kB, installed size 900 kB
[12:32] <grumbly> thank you
[12:32] <JosefK> grumbly: see above, you can put the mounts in your fstab
[12:32] <grumbly> JosefK: thanks
[12:32] <JosefK> grumbly: np's
[12:33] <N6REJ> soulrider: are they shipping solaris or just dl?
[12:33] <soulrider> N6REJ: shipping
[12:33] <grumbly> and one other thing, I cant seem to get beyond the home dir in konqueror
[12:33] <soulrider> for limited time only
[12:33] <Schuenemann> for free?
[12:33] <N6REJ> soulrider: you got a link?
[12:33] <grumbly> is there some setting I am forgetting?
[12:34] <Schuenemann> soulrider: shipping for free?  (!!!)
[12:34] <N6REJ> grumbly: look at the bottom right corner of konqueror for a how to... some of the buttons are in strange places.
[12:34] <soulrider> yes
[12:34] <Schuenemann> wow
[12:34] <dwidmann2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+package/sun-java6-jre - java6 is already in feisty by the looks of things
[12:34] <N6REJ> I miss my sparc10
[12:34] <grumbly> ok
[12:36] <Schuenemann> soulrider: you know the link to request it?
[12:36] <soulrider> http://www2.sun.de/dc/forms/reg_us_2211_391.jsp
[12:36] <N6REJ> soulrider: do you know if that includes the companion dvd?
[12:36] <Schuenemann> it seems they hide that form
[12:37] <soulrider> no idea N6REJ
[12:37] <soulrider> Schuenemann: why do you say they hide it?
[12:37] <sampan> downloading the install cd for edgy and ... can't find the md5sum anywhere ... (why isn't this right on the download page?)
[12:37] <Schuenemann> I looked for at their page and did not find
[12:37] <N6REJ> soulrider: ok, just wondering... didn't know if I should get it just to be safe.
[12:37] <soulrider> N6REJ: im not sure either lol
[12:37] <sampan> does anyone have a link to an official edgy md5sum?
[12:38] <N6REJ> sampan: go to the dl site and look for "md5sum" :D
[12:38] <N6REJ> its right there.
[12:38] <soulrider> is there a java 6 jdk on the repos ?
[12:38] <soulrider> Schuenemann: you gonna order one ?
[12:39] <sampan> n6rej  it's not on the page where i am at least
[12:39] <Schuenemann> yes, I was just about to press Submit when you called me :p
[12:39] <N6REJ> any mirror should have it, its a requirement.
[12:39] <agente2012> for lasted java add repository: deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/ breezy java
[12:39] <soulrider> lol
[12:39] <soulrider> i guess ill order one
[12:39] <soulrider> is ti a good OS? :P
[12:40] <Schuenemann> it surely is, but I don't know about desktop users
[12:40] <sampan> n6rej the page: www.kubuntu.org/download.php -- has direct links to iso images that download, but no md5sum at all ...
[12:40] <Schuenemann> maybe it's like linux was 10 years ago :)
[12:40] <sampan> and all the bottom links to mirrors are for dapper and not edgy
[12:40] <soulrider> it does have GNOME
[12:40] <Schuenemann> hmm
[12:40] <Schuenemann> too bad it doesn't send many, I could distribute around
[12:41] <N6REJ> at one time, if you wanted to have a high quality server, you ran solaris or stayed home!
[12:41] <N6REJ> dvd or cd sampan?
[12:41] <sampan> n6rej  cd
[12:41] <N6REJ> k
[12:41] <agente2012> gnome is not good xD
[12:42] <soulrider> i dont like GNOME L:P
[12:42] <N6REJ> sampan: http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/pub/linux/ubuntu/releases/kubuntu/edgy/
[12:42] <Schuenemann> I thing gnome is ugly
[12:42] <Schuenemann> think*
[12:42] <soulrider> i really dont know if i should ask for a CD
[12:42] <sampan> n6rej   no worries -- i foudn it -- just weird that it's not right on the main page when you can one-click to dl
[12:42] <Schuenemann> it's a DVD
[12:42] <sampan> ahhh :D
[12:42] <soulrider> yes, DVD
[12:42] <soulrider> i just call everything a CD :P
[12:42] <agente2012> gnome suck
[12:43] <agente2012> xd
[12:43] <N6REJ> Schuenemann: when you are running solaris the last thing you really are supposed to be worried about is eye-candy... its designed to be heavy duty!
[12:43] <N6REJ> lol
[12:43] <agente2012> kde rulez!!
[12:43] <Schuenemann> hehe
[12:43] <Schuenemann> that's nice sometimes
[12:43] <soulrider> Schuenemann: it it as easy to install software there as it is on ubuntu, and, is there a lot of software available?
[12:43] <Schuenemann> I don't know
[12:43] <N6REJ> http://solaris.kde.org/
[12:44] <endo602> can anyone help me with a login issue
[12:44] <endo602> ?
[12:44] <grumbly> ok, so smbfs is installed, what do I put into fstab to mount the share?
[12:44] <Schuenemann> do GTK applications run slowly in KDE?
[12:44] <Schuenemann> firefox and thunderbird are slow here
[12:44] <endo602> i type in my password and it knocks me right back to the login screen
[12:44] <soulrider> Schuenemann: i dont think so
[12:44] <N6REJ> Schuenemann: with 2 dvd's I would hope so! my gosh... thats up to 16G depending on the format
[12:44] <N6REJ> endo602: check your caps
[12:44] <N6REJ> endo602: its case sensitive
[12:44] <endo602> caps?
[12:44] <Schuenemann> N6REJ: it's just 1, no?
[12:44] <endo602> doesnt say login failed
[12:44] <soulrider> check that capo lock is not on
[12:45] <N6REJ> Schuenemann: there's a companion dvd for free dl
[12:45] <soulrider> the damn green light on top of the bnumpad :P
[12:45] <Schuenemann> hmm
[12:45] <N6REJ> endo602: do you have bash access?
[12:45] <endo602> yes
[12:45] <sleepy495> Does anyone know if SuperKaramba programs are buggy with Beryl installed or it works good?
[12:45] <N6REJ> endo602: check your error logs /var/log
[12:45] <endo602> i have console access
[12:45] <soulrider> sleepy495: as far as i can remember, its all good
[12:46] <endo602> one sec
[12:46] <sleepy495> o, cool :)
[12:46] <N6REJ> I guess when I go in for the night I'll dl the companion just in case.
[12:46] <endo602> what log there?
[12:47] <N6REJ> probably syslog
[12:47] <grumbly> how do I mount SMB shares for all users, that is, at boot?  I have smbfs but the only thing I can find is how to mount for specific users
[12:47] <N6REJ> !samba | grumbly
[12:47] <ubotu> grumbly: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[12:47] <grumbly> THANK YOU MUCH N6REJ
[12:47] <N6REJ> yw
[12:48] <endo602> N6REJ what should i be looking for in particular
[12:48] <endo602> alot of stuff here
[12:49] <N6REJ> endo602: error messages... tell it "tail /var/log/syslog"
[12:49] <N6REJ> correction sudo tail /var/log/syslog sorry
[12:49] <endo602> what does tail doo?
[12:49] <Schuenemann> what is that apt command to remove dependencies not used anymore? auto-remove something
[12:49] <grumbly> N6REJ: do you know if I need to specify a gid or uid?
[12:49] <soulrider> ok, i ordered solaris :P
[12:49] <Schuenemann> sudo apt-get autoremove?
[12:50] <Schuenemann> thx
[12:50] <N6REJ> yw
[12:50] <endo602> internal error
[12:50] <Schuenemann> invalid operations
[12:50] <endo602> memory corruption detected
[12:50] <N6REJ> grumbly: I don't remember... it just "worked" for me
[12:50] <Schuenemann> operation*
[12:50] <gilesa> can any one help with an apt-get problem?
[12:50] <endo602> cant open default user face
[12:50] <N6REJ> !autoremove
[12:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about autoremove - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:50] <N6REJ> bah
[12:50] <Schuenemann> !autoclean
[12:50] <grumbly> ok
[12:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about autoclean - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:50] <grumbly> I'm gonna try
[12:51] <N6REJ> Schuenemann:  try sudo apt-get remove autoremove I know its one of the two
[12:51] <endo602> N6REJ says Can't open default user face.... Internal Error: memory corruption detected
[12:51] <Schuenemann> nah...
[12:51] <endo602> what should i do
[12:51] <endo602> recovery console works
[12:51] <Schuenemann> says impossible to find package autoremove
[12:51] <gilesa> When I run apt-get update it goes to ip 1.0.0.0 and so can't get updates.
[12:51] <N6REJ> endo602: there's your answer... you've got memory problems
[12:52] <N6REJ> Schuenemann: thats weird
[12:52] <N6REJ> let me look
[12:52] <endo602> like ram
[12:52] <Schuenemann> isn't it autoclean?
[12:52] <endo602> or disk space
[12:52] <endo602> what should i do
[12:52] <endo602> ?
[12:52] <K-Ryan> Hey guys
[12:52] <N6REJ> sounds like ram... try reboot and if that doesn't work put live cd in and "test ram"
[12:53] <elyon> My entire system is locking up almost every time a user logs off.  Black screen, mouse cursor, but nothing works (can't restart X, can't launch a terminal, etc).  It has done this ever since I installed K/Ubuntu.
[12:53] <lnxkde> I made a little mistake :s
[12:53] <N6REJ> autoclean will clean old packages
[12:53] <lnxkde> I erased the mbr
[12:53] <lnxkde> :s
[12:54] <lnxkde> :s
[12:54] <lnxkde> someone can help me to get grub working again>
[12:54] <N6REJ> !hardware elyon
[12:54] <lnxkde> please
[12:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hardware elyon - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:54] <bubu1uk> gilesa: and u can get on internet without problems?
[12:54] <N6REJ> grrrrr
[12:54] <bubu1uk> !grub
[12:54] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:54] <N6REJ> !hardware | elyon
[12:54] <ubotu> elyon: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[12:54] <gilesa> I had it do the ivp6 dissabale first but yes
[12:55] <lnxkde> thankx buboiuk
[12:55] <grumbly> N6REJ: it worked! thanks
[12:55] <N6REJ> grumbly: congrats! glad to hear it
[12:55] <elyon> N6REJ: I've already confirmed my hardware is compatible.  And it doesn't happen EVERY time... just usually.
[12:55] <bubu1uk> gilesa: and it still doesnt' work since u got net?
[12:55] <gilesa> no
[12:56] <K-Ryan> Anyone know why Linux never really caught on with computers?
[12:56] <K-Ryan> It's always been "Windows this, Windows that..."
[12:56] <sleepy495> Can someone recommend a good up to date Linux book, I don'y mean gui books, just general Linux commands
[12:56] <bubu1uk> gilesa: hmm, are sources setup properly?
[12:56] <N6REJ> elyon: do a ram test, see if you've got problems
[12:56] <gilesa> nope, It's driving me crazy
[12:56] <grumbly> N6REJ: it seems like linux is substantially different from FreeBSD.  similar commands but the implimentation is different enough to drive me a little batty
[12:56] <elyon> N6REJ: How do I do that?
[12:56] <N6REJ> K-Ryan: yeah, because windblows was first and had massive money behind it.
[12:56] <K-Ryan> But Linux is so much better
[12:56] <bubu1uk> grumbly: BSD and linux are pretty different, either both *nix
[12:57] <N6REJ> grumbly: yeah, but at least we don't bite when you ask for help like FREBEES do
[12:57] <K-Ryan> I mean Mac is more popular than Linux, and it's better than that too!
[12:57] <gilesa> I think so but its tring to acess a non exsitent ip so it can't get there
[12:57] <N6REJ> elyon: install your live cd, reboot and run "test ram"
[12:57] <grumbly> K-Ryan: I disagree.  they are different is all
[12:57] <elyon> K-Ryan: Linux is still quite daunting for the computer illiterate and requires someone with computer know-how to get it running correctly.
[12:57] <Minataku> Linux is a Unix clone
[12:57] <Schuenemann> well, most users don't know there are other OS... most don't even know what is an OS
[12:57] <Minataku> BSD is a Unix derivative
[12:57] <grumbly> N6REJ: I never had any problems with freebsd help
[12:57] <elyon> N6REJ: That take a long time?
[12:57] <K-Ryan> I think it's worth finding out how to use
[12:57] <N6REJ> K-Ryan: bsd is more robust then *nix... Mac osX is built on BSD
[12:57] <grumbly> (thats probably because the handbook is QUITE extensive.)
[12:57] <N6REJ> elyon: it can sure, depends on your ram.
[12:57] <bubu1uk> gilesa: i mean repos in /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:57] <Mez> K-Ryan, can we keep that sort of thing to #kubuntu-offtopic, people in here obviously like linux, and well, there are obviously benefits of linux and mac#
[12:58] <Mez> K-Ryan - it's all personal preference
[12:58] <K-Ryan> Yeah I was just curious if there was some big flaw in Linux in the past.
[12:58] <elyon> N6REJ: Just wanted to know what to expect.  Do I need to sit here and watch the output as it tests?
[12:58] <Minataku> OSX is a bastardized FreeBSD
[12:58] <gilesa> I've look and it looks ok, although I'm a newbie
[12:58] <Mez> K-Ryan - usability mainly.
[12:58] <Schuenemann> K-Ryan: past? it's quite new
[12:58] <Minataku> It uses a Mach kernel with a FreeBSD userland
[12:58] <Minataku> It's really quite horrible, actually
[12:58] <Mez> People see it as hard to use... and thats really just a misconception nowadays
[12:58] <K-Ryan> It's not that new, is it?
[12:58] <N6REJ> elyon: for a while anyway i would... if you want, let it just "cook" thats the best test... we used to "burn" in our machines that way every time we built them
[12:58] <Schuenemann> I think it is relatively new
[12:59] <K-Ryan> I think it's been around since the early 90's if I'm not mistaken.
[12:59] <Schuenemann> and it was made for programmers... few time ago it started being driven for end "normal" users
[12:59] <N6REJ> K-Ryan: its JUST beginning to mature... *nix was created in 1994
[12:59] <elyon> N6REJ: Alright... appreciate it!
[12:59] <N6REJ> elyon: np
[12:59] <grumbly> The only difference i can see is documentation-  that is, theres SOOOOOO many linux variations that it makes learning them all a little scary (Impossible)...  But onto the niceness of FBSD v. Linux, both "groups" have their friendlies and not-so-friendlies
[12:59] <Minataku> WRONG
[12:59] <Minataku> N6REJ: VERY Wrong
[12:59] <N6REJ> Minataku: compared to MacOS its nicer.
[12:59] <N6REJ> Minataku: huh?
[12:59] <Minataku> [18:57:45]  N6REJ K-Ryan: its JUST beginning to mature... *nix was created in 1994
[12:59] <Mez> N6REJ - 91 :D https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/rhasan/linux/
[01:00] <Minataku> Extremely wrong
[01:00] <elyon> Hmm... I thought the first Unix machines were around in the 80's
[01:00] <mineur> unix is from the 70's :)
[01:00] <gilesa> bubu1uk: its all a new install and I've not mucked anout with the sourses file
[01:00] <Minataku> Unix began WAY FARTHER BACK at Bell Telephone Laboratories with Unix Version 1
[01:00] <elyon> hehe, or 70's
[01:00] <K-Ryan> Unix and Linux are different right?
[01:00] <n8k99> unix is from ibm in the 60s
[01:00] <Minataku> n8k99: Wrong again
[01:00] <N6REJ> Minataku: we're talking *nix  not unix!  I was only off by 3 years sheesh
[01:00] <elyon> K-Ryan: Different yes... but Linux is based on Unix
[01:00] <Schuenemann> unix is from 1910
[01:00] <Minataku> Unix is included in *nix
[01:00] <aib> how can I tell what packages depend on a package I already have installed?
[01:00] <K-Ryan> Which is why I asked about Linux, not Unix =P
[01:01] <Minataku> Considering there are still direct Unix descendants that exist not counting the BSDs
[01:01] <n8k99> ah yes
[01:01] <JosefK> anyone played around with KDE's subversion repositories?  I'm trying to checkout Adept, but keep failing with a propfind error
[01:01] <N6REJ> Minataku: ok, I'll accept that one.
[01:01] <bubu1uk> gilesa: is it just apt-get update u tried? what bout adept? (either u'll probably end up with same error)
[01:01] <JosefK> ah, nvm, anonsvn.kde.org
[01:01] <Mez> JosefK - http://developer.kde.org/source/anonsvn.html
[01:01] <Minataku> Gotta know your history ;3
[01:01] <gilesa> Ibubu1uk: i don't know about bout adept
[01:02] <grumbly> Linux, if i remember, is a variant of AT&T system5
[01:02] <n8k99> linux is linus's version of minux
[01:02] <bubu1uk> gilesa: u use kde?
[01:02] <Schuenemann> minix?
[01:02] <JosefK> thanks a lot Mez
[01:02] <n8k99> phat phingers on a qwerty kybd
[01:03] <gilesa> bubu1uk: kubuntu on one comp and ubumtu on the other same prob on both
[01:03] <Mez> JosefK - no problem
[01:03] <bubu1uk> gilesa: u behing router?
[01:03] <Mez> !kdesvn is http://developer.kde.org/source/anonsvn.html
[01:03] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Mez
[01:03] <N6REJ> Minataku: this is what I meant when I said 1994..... March 1994  Linux kernel version 1.0 is released
[01:03] <gilesa> bubu1uk: yes
[01:03] <Minataku> lol
[01:03] <N6REJ> I know cause I remember it well!!!
[01:03] <Mez> !no, kdesvn is <reply> See http://developer.kde.org/source/anonsvn.html for details on accessing KDE's code via SVN
[01:03] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Mez
[01:03] <Minataku> Linux is a Unix clone, written from scratch containing no AT&T code
[01:04] <N6REJ> by June of 94 I was using it
[01:04] <Minataku> In fact, many people don't know that Linux is JUST the kernel
[01:04] <Minataku> It's NOTHING ELSE
[01:04] <bubu1uk> gilesa: and what exactly is problem? just pointing to IP 1.0.0.0?
[01:04] <N6REJ> Minataku: yep, thats true...
[01:04] <n8k99> most of the other important tools are GNU
[01:04] <Minataku> Linux is also not based on Minix
[01:04] <N6REJ> Minataku: remember redhat 5.1  UGH!
[01:04] <grumbly> Minataku: and freebsd is the entire system.
[01:04] <Minataku> Linux was developed on Minix originally
[01:04] <grumbly> i need some help with amarok
[01:04] <Minataku> grumbly: Correct, the BSDs are Kernel and Userland
[01:05] <sinbad33_> looks like we're into sumthing good
[01:05] <gilesa> bubu1uk: well I'd just like to get the updates on my system as its new and I cant get them. As ar as I can tell its cause it goes to the wrong ip addie
[01:05] <grumbly> Minataku: I find comfort in that
[01:05] <JosefK> hehe, took me a while to notice it was websvn and not apache, got it check out now - thanks again
[01:05] <Alarm> hello. with what command can i upgrade-update the allready installed packages on my system ? apt-get update ?
[01:06] <Schuenemann> upgrade
[01:06] <bubu1uk> gilesa: seems like ur DNS is doin something wrong. althought i dont understand, why u can connect to net, just apt-get plays monkeys
[01:06] <Minataku> If you care to see the whole lineage of all the Unixes
[01:06] <N6REJ> Minataku: have you looked at solaris 10?
[01:06] <Minataku> http://www.levenez.com/unix
[01:06] <Minataku> N6REJ: I even have a Sun Ultra 5 to run it on
[01:06] <bubu1uk> gilesa: do u have firewall setup on router?
[01:06] <Minataku> Though I'ma drop her to Sol 9 because 10 is too slow on her
[01:06] <gilesa> bubu1uk: I'll try that
[01:06] <N6REJ> Minataku: I miss my sparc10 :D
[01:06] <dec_> hello maybe someone can help, I used the command from terminal sudo apt-get install teg
[01:06] <grumbly> Minataku: blech... boring.  I'm just sick of using pirated MS software to do the things I need, so I started with freebsd...
[01:06] <Alarm> Schuenemann,  that will only upgrade the installed packages or will also install other things that are not on my system at that moment ?
[01:06] <gilesa> bubu1uk: no
[01:06] <N6REJ> I just ordered the media kit from sun
[01:07] <Schuenemann> only the installed
[01:07] <Alarm> ok. thank you
[01:07] <dec_> after it downloaded and I thought installed, it returned that i should run sudo apt-get install updates
[01:07] <Minataku> N6REJ: My SPARCstation 10 is busted
[01:07] <dec_> now i can not find the application
[01:07] <Minataku> Arrived from eBay BAD
[01:07] <Minataku> lol
[01:07] <bubu1uk> gilesa: so no firewall on router at all?
[01:07] <Minataku> I should be getting replacement parts soon
[01:07] <Minataku> Hopefully it's just a bad CPU and not a bad MB
[01:07] <N6REJ> Minataku: ewwww that sucks... mine was missing a part and the part was like $400 so I said forget it.  sometimes I'm sorry I did.
[01:08] <gilesa> bubu1uk: not at the moment no its all new set up
[01:08] <grumbly> so, anyone know how to get amarok to store it's collection on a smb share?
[01:08] <Minataku> N6REJ: Ah
[01:08] <grumbly> cause thats where it is
[01:08] <bubu1uk> gilesa: new setup on linux, get that, but what bout router?
[01:08] <grumbly> and i cant play Nuthin'
[01:08] <Minataku> I have in the way of working Suns a SPARCstation 5/170
[01:08] <Minataku> The aforementioned Ultra 5
[01:08] <Minataku> And a SPARCstation LX
[01:08] <dec_> can anyone help as to where the application is or how do i start it?
[01:08] <grumbly> I had an ultra5
[01:08] <N6REJ> grumbly: you may have to set permissions or make a link
[01:09] <nnsense> hi !! :)
[01:09] <gilesa> its an old one my dad gave me, he said no fire wall
[01:09] <grumbly> N6REJ: but the fs is mounted,
[01:09] <N6REJ> Minataku: sweet!
[01:09] <grumbly> I hated the ultra5
[01:09] <bubu1uk> dec_: what app?
[01:09] <dec_> teg
[01:09] <N6REJ> grumbly: that doesn't mean anything, permissions are different.
[01:09] <N6REJ> !chmod | grumbly
[01:09] <ubotu> grumbly: The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[01:09] <bubu1uk> !teg
[01:09] <ubotu> Come play teg with us!  (Like the board game Risk.)  Game will start when we get some players rounded up - get yourself set up and join quickly if you'd like to participate.  Install the "teg" package, run 'tegclient', and connect to server yarusso.no-ip.org, port 2000.  Ping tonyyarusso for more info.
[01:09] <grumbly> N6REJ: I know.... I was just hoping against hope it wasnt that
[01:09] <bartist> hello averybody
[01:10] <bartist> i had ubuntu dapper and everything was fine
[01:10] <bubu1uk> got it dec_?
[01:10] <Minataku> N6REJ: Yeah, I love the lunchbox SPARCs
[01:10] <N6REJ> grumbly: when you have problems in *nix its almost always something to do with permissions in one form or another.
[01:10] <bartist> now i run kubuntu edgy, and my sound es messed up ..
[01:10] <Alarm> what i find strange is that the canditate version on the upgrade is the same version with the installed. for example: avahi-deamon 0.6.13 to upgrade to to 0.6.13  . canditate version 0.6.13 , installed version: 0.6.13 . that should happen right ?
[01:10] <grumbly> I know
[01:10] <dec_> the problem is that when i installed teg it returned that i should run install updates when i did now i cannot find the app
[01:10] <N6REJ> Minataku: I want a nice mac monitor for my blue/white G3
[01:10] <ubuntu> algum de vcs falam portuguese
[01:10] <bartist> i've spent days on google to find out how to fix it
[01:10] <bartist> with no succes
[01:10] <Minataku> Ew... Mac
[01:10] <grumbly> I hate permissions... Always askin for 'em, tryin to circumvent them,
[01:10] <Minataku> My only Mac is a 68k one
[01:11] <Minataku> Well past EOH... End Of Hatred
[01:11] <grumbly> see, the weird part is it plays the mp3s but cant make the collection db
[01:11] <N6REJ> Minataku: a friend gave me a b/w with MAX ram as a gift for developement :D
[01:11] <bubu1uk> dec_: try to reinstall
[01:11] <dec_> i did and it returned that it is already there
[01:11] <N6REJ> grumbly: that sounds like write permission problems in that folder
[01:11] <dec_> i am using apt-get install teg
[01:12] <Minataku> N6REJ: Nice
[01:12] <gilesa> bubu1uk: thanks for the help
[01:12] <gilesa> bye
[01:12] <bubu1uk> gilesa: dont' know really. u could check ur network settings, and setup DNS manually, but dont know if that helps
[01:12] <K-Ryan> dec_ you can't just get it through Add/Remove Programs?
[01:12] <grumbly> but the collection is stored locally
[01:12] <dec_> how do i do that
[01:12] <grumbly> er, the collection db
[01:12] <bubu1uk> dec_: sec
[01:12] <N6REJ> Minataku: yeah, its only a 500 but its sweet.  Did you notice the K7 kernel is now obsuficated in edgy?
[01:12] <K-Ryan> Go to your K Menu, then click Add/Remove Programs
[01:12] <dec_> don't understand
[01:13] <bubu1uk> dec_: wait a minute
[01:13] <K-Ryan> The icon that lets you pick games/internet/multimedia/office/etc.
[01:13] <Minataku> I don't even use Kubuntu
[01:13] <Minataku> I use Gentoo
[01:13] <Minataku> I was lured in here with free stuff
[01:13] <N6REJ> Minataku: ah... alot of folks do.
[01:13] <Minataku> lol
[01:13] <grumbly> Minataku: you ever use gentoo with the freebsd kernel
[01:13] <N6REJ> Minataku: lol
[01:13] <K-Ryan> That's the K menu, go there then click Add/Remove programs
[01:13] <grumbly> ?
[01:13] <sleepy495> Whats a good KDE in pdf format I can print out?
[01:13] <Minataku> grumbly: I haven't
[01:13] <sleepy495> a kde guide
[01:14] <grumbly> that was an adventure setting up... not all that usefull, but if you've got a couple days, it's a challenge
[01:14] <dec_> went to add remove programs and it is not there
[01:14] <N6REJ> brb, gotta get some info from my windblows side.
[01:14] <grumbly> fun challenge
[01:14] <Minataku> Heh
[01:14] <K-Ryan> dec_ it's not under games?
[01:14] <dec_> no not under games
[01:14] <Minataku> Nah, if I'ma use the FBSD kernel I'ma use the FBSD userland too
[01:14] <K-Ryan> Hrmm, hold on
[01:14] <matthew> sleepy495, not sure what you mean....
[01:14] <Minataku> Portage tends to have a "mystery mix" of patches
[01:14] <Mez> sleepy495 - one sec
[01:15] <bubu1uk> dec_: sudo apt-get install --reinstall packagename
[01:15] <sinbad33_> FBSD kernel?   FBSD userland?
[01:15] <Mez> sleepy495 http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/userguide/userguide.pdf
[01:15] <bubu1uk> dec_: should work. if understood man properly. lol
[01:15] <sleepy495> thanks!
[01:15] <Minataku> FBSD == FreeBSD
[01:16] <sinbad33_> Min, hah u been in here all afternoon havent u ?
[01:16] <matthew> sinbad33_, I prefer brandy, myself (and yes, I know, !offtopic)
[01:16] <Mez> !kdeguide is <reply> See http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/userguide/index.html for a guide to using KDE
[01:16] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Mez
[01:17] <dec_> just ran the reinstall and it seemed to run when it was finished i input teg in terminal and got nothing?
[01:17] <grumbly> Minataku: yeah, thats probably a great idea... but i was curious one night (for a week and a half)
[01:17] <Minataku> sinbad33_: Here in connection presence
[01:17] <Minataku> Not at the keyboard
[01:17] <Minataku> grumbly: rofl, whole new meaning to "long night"
[01:17] <bubu1uk> !ted
[01:17] <Minataku> XD
[01:17] <ubotu> ted: graphical RTF (Rich Text Format) editor, stable lesstif version. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.17-1 (edgy), package size 654 kB, installed size 1732 kB
[01:17] <bubu1uk> ops
[01:17] <bubu1uk> !teg
[01:17] <ubotu> Come play teg with us!  (Like the board game Risk.)  Game will start when we get some players rounded up - get yourself set up and join quickly if you'd like to participate.  Install the "teg" package, run 'tegclient', and connect to server yarusso.no-ip.org, port 2000.  Ping tonyyarusso for more info.
[01:17] <bubu1uk> dec_: tegclient
[01:17] <Mez> bubu1uk - whats up ?
[01:17] <bubu1uk> u dont read messages here properly dont u?
[01:17] <grumbly> I still like the maintainence of freebsd-  Though if Kde is any indication, it shouldnt be too different in linux
[01:18] <grumbly> that came out way wrong
[01:18] <grumbly> but you get the idea
[01:18] <bubu1uk> Mez: ehm, nuffin. lol
[01:18] <Mez> bubu1uk - nvm - I just saw you say "ops"
[01:18] <bubu1uk> Mez: misspelled. wrote ted instead teg. lol
[01:18] <grumbly> so, to make a dir rw for all users, chown 777 yeh?
[01:18] <sinbad33_> HAHA
[01:19] <sinbad33_> *hiccups*
[01:19] <Mez> grumbly - technically 666 ;P
[01:19] <grumbly> what'd i type?
[01:19] <Mez> 777
[01:19] <grumbly> oh!
[01:19] <grumbly> hah
[01:19] <Mez> 666 = rw 777 = rwx
[01:20] <dec_> logged on yarrusso now what
[01:20] <grumbly> wth
[01:20] <grumbly> argh
[01:20] <bubu1uk> sinbad33_: u make me thirsty. lol
[01:20] <grumbly> I cant get amarok to frikkin build the collection
[01:20] <grumbly> arh
[01:21] <bubu1uk> Mez: sorry. ;)
[01:21] <bubu1uk> grumbly: why?
[01:21] <grumbly> it sees all the files, it plays them, but no dice.....
[01:21] <Mez> grumbly... kill it and restart it - then change it to use no folder for the collection, set it up to scan the right folders, then do it again
[01:21] <grumbly> dunno. its a blank collection
[01:21] <Mez> no dice ?
[01:21] <Alarm> how can i see number of open connections on linux ?
[01:21] <Mez> or
[01:21] <grumbly> Mez: doin it now... thanks for the idea
[01:21] <K-Ryan> no dice = not working
[01:21] <bubu1uk> grumbly: in tools menu choose rescan collection.
[01:21] <Mez> tools -> rescan collection
[01:22] <sinbad33_> alcopop??@#!
[01:22] <bubu1uk> grumbly: also i hope u setup folders to scan in settings.
[01:22] <rEvolution27> Goodnight everyone, here to pick your  brains again. If I ever want to move my OS to another hard drive saving all installed programs and all my files, is that possible?
[01:23] <grumbly> I think its actually scanning it now
[01:23] <grumbly> hrm... that was a little frustraticationizing
[01:23] <bubu1uk> alcopop: how u like that?
[01:23] <bubu1uk> :p
[01:23] <Mez> should be a lil status bar at the bottom
[01:23] <grumbly> yeh... it's at 0% still
[01:23] <Mez> grumbly - try donig it with around 200000 oggs
[01:23] <Mez> grumbly - it'll stay there for a while - it's annoying like that
[01:24] <kamelFrance> ls
[01:24] <grumbly> nah... I'm gonna stick with the 90k mp3s
[01:24] <bubu1uk> Mez: lol. true. i had only 8000.
[01:24] <bubu1uk> Mez: long time enough.
[01:24] <grumbly> and the best part is I actually OWN all that music
[01:24] <bubu1uk> Mez: he didn't get that, did he. with those oggs.
[01:25] <Mez> grumbly - me too - I'm a DJ / digital music artist in my spare time
[01:25] <grumbly> except for whatever my little sister decided to put in there from her collection (like ace of base and cold play
[01:25] <Mez> bubu1uk - ? ??
[01:25] <grumbly> )
[01:25] <grumbly> ick
[01:25] <bubu1uk> nm
[01:25] <Mez> tehres nothing wrong with cold play
[01:25] <Mez> lol
[01:25] <Mez> http://last.fm/users/mezola
[01:25] <grumbly> Mez: Sure there isnt.  but I hatem
[01:25] <grumbly> like i hate detective robert goren
[01:25] <bubu1uk> they not bad.
[01:26] <matthew> know how I know you're gay? You listen to ColdPlay (Not my personal statement, it was from 40-year old Virgin)
[01:26] <Mez> sorry
[01:26] <Mez> http://www.last.fm/user/mezola/
[01:26] <grumbly> it's jumped from 3%  to 10 and it found very little
[01:26] <Mez> grumbly - it shouldnt update the list till the end - ish
[01:26] <bubu1uk> grumbly: told u takes some time
[01:26] <Mez> and if you're on network mounts
[01:27] <Mez> then it sucks ass even more
[01:27] <grumbly> no, it really found very little
[01:27] <matthew> hmm, having some trouble connecting to the yarusso.no-ip.org server for teg
[01:27] <grumbly> that 10 should have been 100
[01:27] <Mez> grumbly - just wait till it's finished
[01:28] <flipjarg> Hello all...
[01:28] <bubu1uk> grumbly: while scanning u dont really see how much it already went throu
[01:28] <uberspaced> ahh, much better.
[01:28] <uberspaced> ok.
[01:28] <grumbly> bubu1uk: it's done scanning
[01:28] <flipjarg> Has anyone else had problems installing Edgy Eft? No matter what i do it tells me i need to set a root partition.
[01:28] <grumbly> it found very little
[01:28] <uberspaced> so, i installed kubuntu, and in firefox, / does not show up as a possible place to save
[01:28] <uberspaced> what a pain!
[01:29] <bubu1uk> grumbly: then u probably dont have watched folders properly setup
[01:29] <grumbly> yeh. i do
[01:29] <grumbly> it's something to do with sharing somewhere
[01:29] <uberspaced> is this new to firefox? or is KDE in this version of ubuntu told not to allow users to navigate to / when saving stuff?
[01:29] <Mez> uberspaced - it gives your a dropdown list, then like - an advanced button or something
[01:29] <Mez> or find more folders
[01:29] <Mez> use that
[01:29] <flipjarg> Has anyone here installed Edgy Eft?
[01:30] <dwidmann2> flipjarg: probably most of us
[01:30] <uberspaced> Mez, meh, symlinked solved it, i was just wondering if it's done on purpose?
[01:30] <bubu1uk> alcopop: lol
[01:30] <flipjarg> Did you have any problems with the install? i'm trying to install v. 6.10
[01:30] <bill_> so, I would like to put a shortcut to my home on kicker. would the command be konqueror '/home/bill' ? or should I add something else to it?
[01:30] <root_> I'm mounting samba share in fstab .. the line reads :  \\MARTIN-SERVER\BIIG (D)	/media/BIIG cifs	guest,iocharset=utf8,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 0 0    .....   but name of block device is being read as mount point because of the space in the name \\MARTIN-SERVER\BIIG (D)
[01:30] <dwidmann2> No, no problems here, I've been running it for months
[01:30] <root_> oops
[01:30] <root_> hi
[01:30] <root_> Im root
[01:31] <grumbly> root_: try using // instead of \\
[01:31] <dwidmann> Finally, it let me switch m y nick back ....
[01:31] <flipjarg> Hmm, i've done everything i can and even though i designate a root partition it tells me i need to set one.
[01:31] <jpiccolo> anyone know of a guide to make a usb key bootable without linux on it, just bootable
[01:31] <dwidmann> flipjarg: I'd give the alternate disk a try if I were you ... the partitioner in the livecd is flaky
[01:31] <root_> g
[01:32] <bill_> I would like to put a shortcut to my home on kicker. would the command be konqueror '/home/bill' ? or should I add something else to it?
[01:32] <flipjarg> Ah, yes it is. i had to reinstall windows because of it.
[01:32] <grumbly> grrrrr
[01:33] <grumbly> this be pissin me off
[01:33] <grumbly> so bab I be jamaican
[01:33] <n8k99> bill_ there is aa applet you can add to your kicker that does that
[01:33] <alcopop> HAHAHA
[01:33] <flipjarg> dwidmann: when you say an alternative disc do you mean to download from another mirror or is there another disc i can download?
[01:34] <Martiini> how do I make "space" part of mountpoint in fstab?
[01:34] <bill_> n8k99 - yeah I see that applet, but I would like it on the kicker menu not the panel
[01:34] <dwidmann> flipjarg: it's a different disk image ... it's called the alternate install disk, it looks a lot like the debian text mode installer
[01:34] <n8k99> oh on the k menu?
[01:34] <bill_> yes
[01:34] <flipjarg> Thanks dwidmann i'll give it a shot when i find it.
[01:35] <Martiini> who's from USA , hands up
[01:35] <n8k99> bill_ sounds like  kde wishlist item to me
[01:35] <Martiini> you, US people
[01:35] <Martiini> yo
[01:35] <bill_> I put the command konqueror '/home/bill' & it opens up my home, but not as fast as a desktop icon...so im wondering if I need to include a switch to the command (i.e. -u -S whatever)
[01:35] <alcopop> me us xpatriot
[01:35] <alcopop> soon to be rastaman
[01:35] <Martiini> americans up already?
[01:36] <dwidmann> up already? Hmm, it's only 7:37pm here ... not really all that late yet
[01:37] <Martiini> dont you mean am
[01:37] <dwidmann> no, it's 7:37pm
[01:37] <Martiini> 7:37am .. maybe?
[01:38] <bubu1uk> dwidmann: where u from?
[01:38] <dwidmann> currently residing just outside of Gordonsville, Virginia
[01:38] <Mez> @now
[01:38] <Ubugtu> Current time in Etc/UTC: January 16 2007, 00:38:44
[01:38] <mineur> 1:38 am... I'm off to bed :)
[01:38] <grumbly> PISSY CRAP NOZZLE!!!
[01:38] <Mez> grumbly - mind your language
[01:39] <grumbly> I hate amarok
[01:39] <mineur> amarok is sweeeeeeeeet
[01:39] <mineur> :)
[01:39] <grumbly> i know
[01:39] <dwidmann> why?
[01:39] <Minataku> None of that language was bad
[01:39] <grumbly> cause it wont build my collection
[01:39] <dwidmann> amarok is the best thing since sliced bread, so why do you hate it grumbly? ...... oh, that would be a good reason then
[01:39] <grumbly> Minataku: thanks for noticing
[01:40] <Mez> grumbly, just be patient and poke #amarok
[01:40] <mineur[sleep] > does it give an error?
[01:40] <mineur[sleep] > damn... I'm supposed to be sleeping :p
[01:40] <dwidmann> don't worry mineur[sleep] , sleep is overrated
[01:41] <Minataku> grumbly: np
[01:41] <mineur[sleep] > that's what I say too.... but then my girlfriend who's addicted to sleep starts over-worrying :)
[01:42] <Martiini> how do I make "space" part of mountpoint in fstab?
[01:42] <Martiini>  I'm mounting samba share in fstab .. the line reads :  \\MARTIN-SERVER\BIIG (D)/media/BIIG cifsguest,iocharset=utf8,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 0 0    .....   but name of block device is being read as mount point because of the space in the name \\MARTIN-SERVER\BIIG (D)
[01:43] <Martiini> quotes?
[01:43] <Martiini> Ive tried quotes ... didnt work
[01:43] <Mez> Martiini - why not just use smb4k
[01:43] <Mez> !smb4k | Martiini
[01:43] <ubotu> smb4k: A Samba (SMB) share advanced browser for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.1-1 (edgy), package size 1176 kB, installed size 2984 kB
[01:43] <Mez> takes care of teh mounting for you#
[01:43] <mineur[sleep] > sweet I need that lol
[01:44] <Martiini> not an answer .. but I'll give it a try
[01:44] <dwidmann> Martiini: you would definitely need quotes or something else to deal with those spaces, perhaps preceeding the spaces with a backslash would work
[01:45] <mineur[sleep] > btw is there a front end to configure samba?
[01:45] <mineur[sleep] > the server then
[01:45] <Mez> mineur - kcontrol has nice file sharing bit
[01:45] <bubu1uk> Martiiny: aint there problem with those brakes? it does problems in command line, i think.
[01:45] <jpiccolo> how would i go about making a usb stick bootable
[01:46] <bubu1uk> jpiccolo: does ur bios support it?
[01:46] <jpiccolo> yes
[01:46] <bubu1uk> u should be able to enable it there
[01:47] <jpiccolo> but it needs a mbr i think
[01:47] <jpiccolo> it says no system disk
[01:48] <dwidmann> mineur[sleep] : in kcontrol, yes
[01:48] <bubu1uk> jpiccolo: u installed on usb? it should make it somehow bootable
[01:48] <jpiccolo> no i dont want to install linux from the usb stick, i just want to make it bootable
[01:48] <bubu1uk> jpiccolo: u tried to google for it? i found some solutions ages ago. but never tried.cuz my bios doens't support it
[01:48] <jpiccolo> and be able to run a program from it
[01:49] <bubu1uk> jpiccolo: bootable OS u mean
[01:49] <jpiccolo> all the tuts i found where how to install linux from the usb
[01:49] <bubu1uk> jpiccolo: from or on?
[01:49] <jpiccolo> i want to run a flash program from the stick
[01:50] <bubu1uk> jpiccolo: something have to be bootable, so OS. aps run on kernel (either win kernel, if not linux)
[01:50] <jpiccolo> like making a floppy bootable, but i want to use a usb stick
[01:50] <bubu1uk> ah, got u now.
[01:50] <bubu1uk> but running what on it?
[01:50] <jpiccolo> ok hehe sometimes i guess i am not clear
[01:51] <grumbly> please dont laugh, but how do I start a stopped process if ctrl+x
[01:51] <grumbly> er, z
[01:51] <jpiccolo> no i just need a prompt from the usb stick to run a flash program
[01:51] <jpiccolo> like dos
[01:51] <bubu1uk> grumbly: i dont laugh, cuz dont know either. ;)
[01:51] <sorush20> is it okay to mix kubuntu repositories with parsix ones?
[01:51] <bubu1uk> like DOS is OS as well.
[01:52] <jpiccolo> ok so i need to find out how to install dos on the usb stick?
[01:52] <bubu1uk> jpiccolo: u'll have to have some OS there runin.
[01:52] <bubu1uk> no app runs without OS.
[01:52] <dwidmann> Martiini, I on a wim decided to install/test smbfs ... seems to be working well. "//GAIA/SharedDocs /media/gaia smbfs rw 0 0"
[01:52] <bubu1uk> jpiccolo: or go for some minimal linux distro.
[01:53] <bubu1uk> like puppy or dsl
[01:53] <jpiccolo> yeah but i cant run a exe in that
[01:57] <dwidmann> sorush20: I'm not familiar with the parsix ones, but if they work for you ... use them. If it complains about dependency problems, then it probably isn't a good idea.
[01:57] <bubu1uk> jpiccolo: then just install that software on usb instead prog files and run it from usb.
[01:58] <sorush20> there are about 28 packages in gnome that are supposed to be updated in by the source deb http://parsix.org/packages sid main, and on the home page it does say they can be used.. although the users on the parsix channel are low.
[01:59] <rEvolution27> why doesn't my adept have certain packages that i know are supposed to be there? Like gkrellm. Is there a repository i need to add or something?
[01:59] <endo602> in my grub bootloader i see two kernels there
[01:59] <endo602> how can i get rid of one
[01:59] <endo602> i think it is causing problems
[02:00] <bubu1uk> rEvolution27: u have universe and multiverse repos enabled?
[02:00] <rEvolution27> i'll check
[02:00] <bubu1uk> endo602: i have 3 kernels in grub menu. doestn really matter how many
[02:01] <rEvolution27> btw all my repos are dapper for some reason
[02:01] <bubu1uk> and u r on?
[02:02] <rEvolution27> lol nvm apt-update fixed it
[02:03] <rEvolution27> but why don't i have the edgy repos?
[02:03] <BluesKaj> endo602, don't worry about the other kernels , just be thankful , they're backups :0
[02:05] <bonbonthejon> anyone know a lot about svn
[02:06] <BluesKaj> rEvolution27, check this out : http://www.debianadmin.com/ubuntu-edgy-eft-csudo%20dpkg-reconfigure%20xserver-xorgomplete-sourceslist-repository-list-file.html
[02:06] <rEvolution27> tnx
[02:06] <rEvolution27> i need all the help i can get ;)
[02:07] <BluesKaj> np
[02:08] <BluesKaj> !svn
[02:08] <ubotu> svn is Subversion: an open-source revision control system, which aims to be a compelling replacement for CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/
[02:08] <BluesKaj> !cvs
[02:08] <ubotu> cvs is the Concurrent Versions System, the dominant open-source network-transparent version control system; it helps to manage releases and to control concurrent editing of source files among multiple authors. See: https://www.cvshome.org/
[02:09] <bonbonthejon> BluesKaj: thanks, ill try looking there
[02:11] <dsmith> hi dawn
[02:11] <dawn> Hi Doug
[02:11] <dawn> how was your day
[02:11] <dsmith> good
[02:11] <dsmith> you?
[02:11] <dawn> thats good
[02:11] <dawn> fine
[02:11] <dsmith> do you like your kubuntu?
[02:11] <dawn> got alot done
[02:11] <dawn> yes i do
[02:11] <dawn> its cool
[02:11] <dsmith> ahhh sweet
[02:11] <dawn> buddy
[02:12] <dawn> yhank you
[02:12] <dawn> for helping me put it on
[02:12] <dawn> your the man
[02:12] <dsmith> ;)
[02:12] <dsmith> np
[02:12] <dawn> >:O)
[02:16] <kc> Hi everyone, when you shut down kubuntu can you have it show all the processes its stopping like ubuntu does?
[02:16] <dsmith> hmmmm
[02:16] <dsmith> never knew Ubuntu does that...
[02:16] <Jucato> I think he means the one in usplash
[02:17] <kc> I"m just a rookie so I might not have stated that corrrectly.
[02:17] <dsmith> <---- rookie too
[02:17] <dsmith> :)
[02:18] <kc> When I tried ubuntu, when I shut it down it would go to a screen that looked like the shell(full screen though) and list a bunch of stuff one line at a time, with OK at the end of each line
[02:18] <dsmith> lol
[02:18] <dsmith> oh
[02:18] <Jucato> kc: hm.... Ubuntu Edgy?
[02:18] <dsmith> I know what your talking about
[02:18] <dsmith> the DOS stuff
[02:18] <dsmith> command line
[02:18] <kc> I think it was breezy
[02:18] <Jucato> oh...
[02:18] <kc> yes
[02:19] <soulrider> hi everyone
[02:19] <kc> my kubuntu sometimes hangs on shutdown
[02:19] <dsmith> why do you want to see it?
[02:19] <dsmith> oh nm
[02:19] <dsmith> hmmm
[02:19] <bubu1uk> kc: u definitely can do that, but dunno how. lol
[02:19] <dsmith> I dont know either
[02:19] <dsmith> I would say sure you can do that
[02:19] <Jucato> about shutting down not showing the splash screen... that means it's a bit broken...
[02:20] <bubu1uk> Jucato: he just want's to see all proceses that are stoppin.
[02:20] <kc> I sometimes get a white screen, then black and it shuts down.  Occasionally the monitor goes crazy with lines all across it, and thats when it hangs
[02:20] <bubu1uk> kc: tried F1 or F2?
[02:20] <kc> its onboard intel 945g
[02:21] <Jucato> bubu1uk: I know. but under normal circumstances, during shutdown, the shutdown splash screen should show up. if it doesn't, then there's something wrong
[02:21] <Jucato> Alt+F1 would only spit out messges if the "quiet" option is removed
[02:21] <kc> i think i have seen that, the blue kubuntu with the little blue line in the middle of the screen?
[02:22] <Jucato> in /boot/grub/menu.lst, there are options to turn off the splash screen and to show the messages
[02:22] <bubu1uk> Jucato: under normal circumstances yes. not if u change it lol.
[02:22] <Jucato> bubu1uk: that wouldn't be a "normal circumstance", would it? :P
[02:22] <bubu1uk> aint' it just for boot up process?
[02:22] <bubu1uk> Jucato: that definitely would. :)
[02:22] <Jucato> I think it does for both.
[02:23] <kc> i just changed grub to show the menu on boot, i guess when i shut it down i'll see.
[02:24] <bubu1uk> hmm, now i'd like to know if my yum freezes or actually does some work. lol. (offtopic of course. lol)
[02:24] <Jucato> kc: um... that's different...
[02:24] <Jucato> look for the entry for your kernel near the bottom. the grouped entries with "title", "root", "initrd", etc
[02:24] <Jucato> yum.... :P
[02:25] <Jucato> kc: in the "root /vmlinuz-...." line, remove the "quiet" option to see status messages and remove "splash" to turn of the splash screen
[02:26] <bubu1uk> Jucato: lol. ur' faster. was just bout to write that. :p
[02:26] <Jucato> take note that if you turn off quiet, but leave splash on, you will have "pretty" messages in the splash screen, like Dapper's. if on the other hand you turn off splash and leave quiet on, you will have no splash screen, but no or few status messages too
[02:26] <kc> is it this line
[02:27] <kc>   /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash
[02:27] <dwidmann> or not so pretty messages, if you encounter usplashes many bugs :\
[02:27] <Jucato> kc: yes. if that's the kernel you boot into (which is the default)
[02:28] <kc> yes, its the only one other than the recover
[02:28] <Jucato> then that would be it
[02:28] <kc> so i just delete "quiet"
[02:30] <Jucato> see my "note" above
[02:30] <sorush20> is there any way that I could upgrade and downgrade ?
[02:30] <sorush20> I want to try a few packages from another repository before I carryon can I undo this and use the old packages?
[02:31] <tamacracka> Hey guys?
[02:31] <tamacracka> i need to download and install something called "lynx" onto nicotine
[02:31] <tamacracka> does anyone know about that?
[02:32] <BluesKaj> prolly a python thing
[02:32] <matthew> !lynx
[02:32] <ubotu> Browsers available for Linux: Firefox (GTK, Gecko engine), Konqueror (KDE/Qt, KHTML engine), Epiphany (GTK, Gecko engine), Dillo (GTK), Links2 (terminal-based or graphical, see !man page), Opera (Qt, proprietary)  -  HTTP servers: apache2
[02:32] <bubu1uk> Jucato: lol. i think my fedora will go to bin. altough i like it. yum does still have some problems. on server i stick still with ubuntu. ;)
[02:32] <tamacracka> it's for me to get google time when i use /gtime "city"
[02:32] <BluesKaj> nicotine runs on python
[02:32] <matthew> lynx is a text-based internet browser
[02:32] <BluesKaj> !nicotine
[02:32] <ubotu> nicotine: graphical client for the SoulSeek peer-to-peer system. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.4.1-1 (edgy), package size 373 kB, installed size 1956 kB
[02:33] <BluesKaj> !python
[02:33] <ubotu> python: An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version). In component main, is important. Version 2.4.3-11ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 37 kB, installed size 208 kB
[02:33] <tamacracka> matthew how can i get this lynx?
[02:33] <matthew> tamacracka, uh, sudo apt-get install lynx
[02:33] <tamacracka> thanks :P
[02:33] <tamacracka> gonna try it
[02:33] <bubu1uk> tamacracka: or thru adept.
[02:33] <Jucato> !lynx
[02:33] <ubotu> Browsers available for Linux: Firefox (GTK, Gecko engine), Konqueror (KDE/Qt, KHTML engine), Epiphany (GTK, Gecko engine), Dillo (GTK), Links2 (terminal-based or graphical, see !man page), Opera (Qt, proprietary)  -  HTTP servers: apache2
[02:33] <matthew> tamacracka, if that doesn't work, sudo apt-cache search lynx
[02:33] <Jucato> er...
[02:33] <Jucato> !info lynx
[02:33] <ubotu> lynx: Text-mode WWW Browser. In component main, is optional. Version 2.8.5-2ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1077 kB, installed size 4568 kB
[02:34] <tamacracka> ok
[02:34] <Jucato> ^^^^^^^
[02:35] <PPAAUULL> anyone know anything about beryl?
[02:36] <Jucato> !beryl | PPAAUULL
[02:36] <ubotu> PPAAUULL: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[02:37] <PPAAUULL> ok I guess not then
[02:37] <PPAAUULL> lol
[02:39] <K-Ryan> Anyone know any software that I could resize a video with?
[02:40] <BluesKaj> tovid
[02:41] <BluesKaj> or Kino video editor
[02:41] <K-Ryan> Either or?
[02:41] <K-Ryan> Or is one better?
[02:42] <tamacracka> eeeek
[02:42] <tamacracka> it doesn't connect to google
[02:42] <matthew> tamacracka, did it work for ya?
[02:42] <BluesKaj> actually Kino is prolly what you're looking for, K-Ryan
[02:42] <tamacracka> yeah it installed
[02:42] <K-Ryan> Thanks BluesKaj
[02:42] <BluesKaj> np
[02:42] <tamacracka> but seems like google doesn't like it lol
[02:43] <matthew> prolly because google is so little text...it's mostly graphical and a text field...
[02:43] <BluesKaj> tamacracka, wtf are you taliking about?
[02:43] <tamacracka> lol
[02:43] <tamacracka> i scroll to google
[02:44] <tamacracka> and i get a 400 Bad Request
[02:44] <tamacracka> yeah matthew that's what i was thinkin
[02:44] <BluesKaj> well don't clutter up with yer comments , it's confusing for others
[02:45] <matthew> BluesKaj, chill out. that's the way things work here.
[02:46] <BluesKaj> I'm chilled , it's NOT the way things work here
[02:46] <tamacracka> >.>
[02:46] <tamacracka> BluesKaj go smoke some pot man... and calm down :P
[02:46] <Jucato> way things work here??
[02:46] <matthew> yes. people talk back and forth. the conversation is public so others may follow along.
[02:46] <tamacracka> thanks anyways matthew ill see what i can do
[02:46] <matthew> tamacracka, ok, see ya later
[02:46] <tamacracka> see you again!
[02:48] <BluesKaj> wow ...yer telling an old hippie to chillout  :) ..now that's funny
[02:48] <matthew> lol, yeah... BluesKaj, we good?
[02:53] <rEvolution27> anyone have some good linux file sharing (p2p) programs for linux?
[02:53] <matthew> rEvolution27, uh, bit torrent?
[02:54] <Jucato> ktorrent for bittorrent
[02:54] <rEvolution27> yeh i know
[02:54] <Jucato> then there's amule, frostwire, and apollon for the others...
[02:54] <rEvolution27> these any good?
[02:55] <rEvolution27> which do you recommend?
[02:55] <Slackwise> FrostWire
[02:55] <rEvolution27> k
[02:55] <Slackwise> FrostWire is the fully open sourced version of LimeWire
[02:55] <rEvolution27> oh
[02:55] <Slackwise> So if the company that runs LimeWire gets RIAA'd to the ground, FrostWire will live on.
[02:56] <Jucato> rEvolution27: I really don't. I only use ktorrent
[02:56] <Slackwise> FrostWire and BitTorrent are the way to go, to get your file sharing needs.
[02:56] <matthew> I like azureus.
[02:56] <rEvolution27> yeh
[02:56] <rEvolution27> i find bit torrent a bit slow at times
[02:57] <matthew> rEvolution27, have you port forwarded ports on your router?
[02:57] <rEvolution27> umm i don't think so (but then again i dunno what that is)
[02:57] <Slackwise> Just turn on UPnP on your router, then use a compatible client. :P
[02:57] <matthew> rEvolution27, google port forward
[02:58] <rEvolution27> ok
[02:58] <kc> some ISP's are blocking or throttling bitorrent
[02:58] <matthew> it basically opens ports on your router to allow you to accept incoming anonymous connections (bittorrent traffic)
[02:59] <matthew> kc, azureus provides encryption schemes
[02:59] <rEvolution27> my isp won't jail me for this right?
[02:59] <rEvolution27> lol
[02:59] <kc> i enabled that on ktorrent,is azureus better?
[02:59] <bubu1uk> rEvolution27: no if u dont download copyrighted stuff. lol
[02:59] <matthew> idk...ktorrent doesn't really work for me...I use azureus...but it's pretty resource intensive....
[03:00] <bubu1uk> kc: i think personal preference
[03:00] <matthew> azureus is a java app...
[03:00] <kc> i got up to 60-70K on one file, another was 6K, just like dial up
[03:00] <bubu1uk> i use rtorrent. lol. not much resources. console based so can even ssh .
[03:01] <bubu1uk> easy to manage. all i need.
[03:01] <matthew> rtorrent, aye?
[03:01] <matthew> gotta check that one out...
[03:01] <bubu1uk> kc: u should understand also how sharing works.
[03:01] <matthew> I've got a server that's doing nothing....
[03:01] <bubu1uk> mathew: lol. run it on my server as well.
[03:02] <rEvolution27> my dl speed is very slow and tuff get's stalled alot
[03:02] <K-Ryan> http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/1618/snapshot1sp1.jpg
[03:02] <K-Ryan> =)
[03:02] <bubu1uk> kc: down/upspeed is not allways because off network or system  issues
[03:03] <bubu1uk> i download sabayon linux torrent for example now and get only 3 kb down.
[03:03] <rEvolution27> 12 seeders
[03:03] <kc> as in not enough people sharing the file?
[03:03] <bubu1uk> kc: yes, also if they actually logged in that time, free slots etc.
[03:04] <kc> the couple of files i did get i was uploading way faster than i was getting others
[03:04] <bubu1uk> rEvolution27: does it tell u to how many ur connected and how many have opened line with u aka from whom ur downloadin
[03:05] <bubu1uk> that's torrents, sometimes works, sometimes dont
[03:05] <bubu1uk> and sometimes dead. lol
[03:05] <kc> doesn't ktorrent have a shares tab? or something like that
[03:06] <bubu1uk> nope
[03:06] <bubu1uk> !torrent
[03:06] <ubotu> Torrent clients: Azureus (Java), BitTornado (Shell with python front-end), KTorrent (KDE/Qt)  -  Bittorent FAQ: http://www.bittorrent.com/FAQ.html
[03:06] <bubu1uk> read faq
[03:06] <kc> how abuot peers then
[03:07] <bubu1uk> p2p connection is when both system operate as server and client for each other
[03:08] <kc> for those that helped with my last question, removing quiet caused the system to hang the 2 times I tried shutting it down, screen like a tartan.  Removing splash also seems to have worked, lots of text flying by.
[03:10] <bubu1uk> kc: so it works how u wanted now?
[03:10] <matthew> lol, kc wants a _true_ hackers machine...
[03:10] <kc> seems to, thanks, although its not as neatly formatted as it was for ubuntu
[03:11] <kc> thats way over my head
[03:11] <bubu1uk> kc: it's allways different. on many distros
[03:11] <bubu1uk> kc: good to know. will have to remember that solution. lol
[03:12] <kc> ya, i don't know if its a video issue, I can hear the CRT monitor click away changing resolutions
[03:12] <bubu1uk> matthew: lol. he should go 4 gentoo or slacware without GUI then.
[03:12] <matthew> lol, yeah
[03:13] <matthew> gentoo for sure...
[03:13] <bubu1uk> kc: probably its only cuz xorg changes it.
[03:13] <matthew> bubu1uk, I tried gentoo, but I guess I don't have the mindset (nor the patience) required....
[03:14] <kc> its getting something wrong because the monitor is left with a pile of coloured lines on it
[03:14] <bubu1uk> matthew: kinda true. lots of reading, surfing etc
[03:14] <matthew> I was simply looking for the easy, out of the box solution.....
[03:15] <bubu1uk> kc: it's probably then hardware driver problem.
[03:15] <bubu1uk> matthew: just bout to try sabayon, if will work. 3.25c didn work on my laptop. just didnt even start installer. that's gentoo based.
[03:15] <kc> how can you tell what version of video drivers came with kubuntu?
[03:15] <bubu1uk> if not, goin back to gentoo.
[03:16] <bubu1uk> kc: what graphic card?
[03:16] <kc> onboard intel 945g
[03:17] <bubu1uk> matthew: been happy with fedora for ages. whole fc4 era. with fc5 things went wrong, so changed.
[03:17] <matthew> bubu1uk, lemme know how that turns out...looks fantastic!
[03:17] <matthew> you don't like ubuntu?
[03:17] <bubu1uk> matthew: server is ubuntu.
[03:17] <bubu1uk> just laptop.
[03:17] <bubu1uk> to play with something else. lol
[03:17] <matthew> ah, but as a desktop environment, it's a no-go?
[03:18] <bubu1uk> didnt get that question
[03:18] <bubu1uk> kc: u might need to look for kernel modules.
[03:19] <matthew> bubu1uk, I'm asking if you like/dislike ubuntu as a desktop environment...
[03:19] <kc> oh boy, not there yet
[03:19] <william> what could be some of the problems with the stand alone ltsp server
[03:19] <kc> can't adept fix it <g>
[03:20] <bubu1uk> matthew: well, use kde actually, although i have gnome and xfce4 installed.
[03:20] <neddiW> hi, i wanna know, how can i automount and ipod or usb drive?
[03:20] <bubu1uk> and that is same on all distros. lol. maybe not as basic config, but u can change it. :p
[03:20] <matthew> so you like kubuntu/xubuntu? I'm just wondering (no distro-specific rage intended!)
[03:20] <neddiW> i run kubuntu 6.06
[03:20] <matthew> neddiW, why?
[03:20] <bubu1uk> neddiW: should work automaticly
[03:21] <matthew> neddiW, sudo mount /dev/device
[03:21] <bubu1uk> matthew: yes, of course i like it. was thinkin bout putting kubuntu on laptop as well. but just wanted something else.
[03:21] <matthew> where device is the device number of usb device (generally sda1, sdab1
[03:21] <matthew> , etc...)
[03:21] <bubu1uk> matthew: he wants to setup automount,
[03:22] <matthew> bubu1uk, ah, you're one of those *gasp* people who get out of their comfort zones
[03:22] <bubu1uk> as it will do it for him automaticly
[03:22] <bubu1uk> matthew: lol. not really.
[03:22] <neddiW> matthew, it does not mount automatically, dunno why :S
[03:22] <matthew> bubu1uk, ah, right...sorry! seems like it should...isn't there an automount script buried in /etc somewhere?
[03:23] <neddiW> matthew, "
[03:23] <neddiW> sudo mount /dev/sda2
[03:23] <neddiW> Password:
[03:23] <neddiW> mount: can't find /dev/sda2 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[03:23] <bubu1uk> neddiW: sda1?
[03:23] <bubu1uk> !automount
[03:23] <tamacracka> Question... youtube videos keep stuttering a long with the sound.
[03:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about automount - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:23] <tamacracka> what can i do?
[03:24] <bubu1uk> hmm
[03:24] <bubu1uk> !mount
[03:24] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[03:24] <matthew> tamacracka, do you have the latest Flash 9 beta?
[03:24] <tamacracka> im pretty sure i do.
[03:24] <matthew> well then, Idk...sorry
[03:24] <tamacracka> what is the command to check the version, please?
[03:25] <phobiac> How do I use chmod to assign a directly to a user?
[03:25] <phobiac> chomd -R something
[03:25] <matthew> type about:plugins in the firefox address bar
[03:25] <matthew> @tamacracka
[03:25] <bubu1uk> phobiac: chmod or chown?
[03:26] <phobiac> chmod
[03:26] <bubu1uk> phobiac: u tryin to change permitions or ownership?
[03:26] <phobiac> I think
[03:26] <phobiac> Ownership
[03:26] <bubu1uk> chown then
[03:26] <phobiac> So chown what?
[03:26] <neddiW> bubu1uk, it supposed to i think
[03:26] <bubu1uk> man chown, but shorter help is sudo chown user:group -R file
[03:27] <neddiW> but it says sda2 for the ipod
[03:27] <phobiac> Thank you, that's what I needed.
[03:27] <bubu1uk> neddiW: what's ur sda1 then?
[03:28] <neddiW> bubu1uk, nothing i dont have anything more mounted
[03:28] <tamacracka>     File name: libflashplayer.so
[03:28] <tamacracka>     Shockwave Flash 9.0 d55
[03:28] <bubu1uk> neddiW: so it should be sda1 then.
[03:28] <bubu1uk> i think
[03:28] <tamacracka> i have 3 shockwave plugins ><
[03:28] <bubu1uk> try mount /dev/sda1
[03:32] <bubu1uk> neddiW: try to have a look at www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:32] <grumbly> hello...  Is there an m4a codec for kde?
[03:32] <juano> neddiW: sudo mkdir /media/ipod
[03:33] <juano> neddiW: sudo mount /dev/sda2 /media/ipod
[03:34] <bubu1uk> juano: it told him it cant find sda2 in fstab/mtab. dont' think that will help
[03:34] <startswithz_> does anyone have beryl on kubuntu?
[03:34] <juano> bubu1uk: the line mount /dev/sda2 is wrong, your not giving mount point
[03:35] <juano> bubu1uk: it wont find it cause its not mounted, and to mount it you dont put mount /dev/sda1 , you need to declare the mount point, that would be some dir where you want to mount the sda1
[03:35] <bubu1uk> juano: ah, right, forgoten bout that. usually do it /media/something.
[03:35] <juano> bubu1uk: yeah
[03:35] <Schuenemann> what can I do so every time I time 'opera' it runs /usr/lib/opera/opera ?
[03:36] <Schuenemann> everytime I type*
[03:36] <bubu1uk> juano: i think bit too late for me. forgoten to do so many things today. brain is not working very well today. lol.
[03:37] <juano> bubu1uk: hehe lol, nah it happens
[03:37] <phobiac> Schuenemann: A bash script would work
[03:37] <juano> bubu1uk: everyone forgets stuff
[03:37] <Schuenemann> not a link?
[03:37] <phobiac> Look into google for how to write one
[03:37] <juano> bubu1uk: :) i forget many times
[03:37] <Schuenemann> symbolic link
[03:38] <phobiac> I have no idea, but I do know a bash script would work for sure.
[03:38] <bubu1uk> juano: it's good thats so many of us here. lol. every1 will remember 1 part and together we'll even make a command. :p
[03:38] <juano> Schuenemann: phobiac: yes, it should work with a script
[03:38] <Schuenemann> I would like to type opera anywhere, a shell script won't do that... will it?
[03:38] <juano> bubu1uk: LOL yes
[03:38] <Schuenemann> I'd have to type it in the shell script's directory
[03:39] <dwidmann> Schuenemann, put said script in /usr/bin or some other directory that's in your path
[03:40] <juano> Schuenemann: yeah, create a script that calls opera.sh and put it in your path dirs
[03:40] <mshade-laptop> Schuenemann: what's the problem you're having?
[03:40] <juano> Schuenemann: do what dwidmann suggests
[03:40] <Schuenemann> mshade-laptop: it's not exacly a problem... I would like to start opera without having to navigate to its directory
[03:41] <Schuenemann> just like I do with anything I install through apt-get
[03:41] <Mez> Schuenemann - right click the k menu
[03:41] <Mez> Schuenemann - edit menu
[03:41] <mshade-laptop> have you tried ln -s /path/to/opera /usr/local/bin/opera
[03:41] <Mez> and create a shortcut through that interface
[03:41] <Schuenemann> I was looking for that
[03:41] <Schuenemann> the link
[03:41] <neddiW> juano, thanks!
[03:42] <neddiW> bubu1uk, thanks!
[03:42] <mshade-laptop> :)
[03:42] <juano> neddiW: no problem :)
[03:42] <Schuenemann> the second argument is where the link will be created?
[03:42] <mshade-laptop> correct
[03:42] <mshade-laptop> ln -s source destination
[03:43] <ctothej> how do i configure vmware player to look at my second network card instead of the first one?
[03:43] <mshade-laptop> just like copy or move
[03:45] <neddiW> juano, after the commands you gave me, it mounts but when i unmount it does not mount automatically :(
[03:46] <neddiW> juano, when i tried to open the folder of the mounted ipod i says, An unknown error occured
[03:46] <juano> neddiW: you must add a line to your fstab or mtab
[03:46] <Schuenemann> mshade-laptop: how do I start it, then?
[03:47] <juano> neddiW: you could add a line to you mtab
[03:47] <juano> neddiW: one sec
[03:47] <mshade-laptop> Schuenemann: you should be able to type whatever you named the link anywhere
[03:47] <Schuenemann> mshade-laptop: that opera is a shell script
[03:47] <neddiW> juano, I'm sorry im new to this :(
[03:47] <mshade-laptop> should still work
[03:47] <neddiW> it says "Media Device: could not find iTunesDB on device mounted at /media/ipod. Should I try to initialize your iPod?"
[03:47] <Schuenemann> named? where did I name it?
[03:48] <mshade-laptop> the second part of your ln -s command
[03:48] <juano> neddiW: try clicking ok or yes there
[03:48] <ForzaPalermo> hey everone... i cant uninstall wpasupplicant....not through adept or konsole
[03:48] <ForzaPalermo> can someone please help?
[03:48] <Schuenemann> it was named opera
[03:48] <phobiac> Night all
[03:48] <mshade-laptop> have you tried just typing opera?
[03:48] <juano> neddiW: i recomend using amarok for ipod
[03:48] <Schuenemann> yes
[03:48] <mshade-laptop> and?
[03:48] <mshade-laptop> open a new xterm
[03:48] <dwidmann> /usr/bin/opera = shell script to start opera, /usr/lib/opera/9.10-20061214.6/opera = actual app
[03:48] <Schuenemann> I did
[03:49] <neddiW> juano, amarok gives the same error
[03:49] <mshade-laptop> you get a 'not found' error?
[03:49] <Schuenemann> yes
[03:49] <mshade-laptop> ls -l /usr/local/bin/opera (or wherever you put it)
[03:49] <lters_> can I update my sources in edgy and get the fiesty update?
[03:49] <mshade-laptop> make sure the link is pointing to the correct binary
[03:50] <juano> neddiW: cat /etc/mtab and paste it pls
[03:50] <Schuenemann> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 2007-01-15 23:44 /usr/local/bin/opera -> opera
[03:50] <Schuenemann> it's not
[03:50] <juano> neddiW: use pastebin
[03:50] <mshade-laptop> Schuenemann: you need to use the full path
[03:50] <mshade-laptop> rm /usr/local/bin/opera
[03:50] <neddiW> juano, ok
[03:50] <mshade-laptop> ln -s /full/path/to/opera /usr/local/bin/opera
[03:50] <Schuenemann> I thought I did... yuck
[03:50] <juano> neddiW: is it plugged in now_
[03:50] <mshade-laptop> heh :) it's ok
[03:50] <juano> neddiW: ?*
[03:51] <Schuenemann> why do I need root for that?
[03:51] <mshade-laptop> Schuenemann: because /usr/local/bin/ is only writable by root
[03:51] <juano> Schuenemann: usually global dirs are better of modified as root
[03:51] <mshade-laptop> once you write it as root, it's readable to everyone in that particular location
[03:51] <Schuenemann> hmm
[03:52] <neddiW> juano, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1782/
[03:52] <ForzaPalermo> hey everone... i cant uninstall wpasupplicant....not through adept or konsole
[03:52] <ForzaPalermo> dpkg: error processing wpasupplicant (--remove):
[03:52] <ForzaPalermo>  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
[03:52] <ForzaPalermo>  reinstall it before attempting a removal.
[03:52] <ForzaPalermo> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::logic_error'
[03:52] <ForzaPalermo>   what():  basic_string::_S_construct NULL not valid
[03:52] <ForzaPalermo> Aborted
[03:53] <juano> neddiW: you cant mount it_
[03:53] <ForzaPalermo> root@ThinkPadR40:~# Errors were encountered while processing:
[03:53] <ForzaPalermo>  wpasupplicant
[03:53] <ForzaPalermo> 
[03:53] <juano> neddiW: whats the error?
[03:53] <ForzaPalermo> cant reinstall iit either
[03:54] <neddiW> juano, on amarok it says: "Media Device: could not find iTunesDB on device mounted at /media/ipod. Should I try to initialize your iPod?"
[03:54] <Jucato> sudo apt-get install --reinstall wpasupplicant
[03:54] <CVirus> !wine
[03:54] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[03:54] <K-Ryan> !3ddesktop
[03:54] <neddiW> i already did this and nothing...
[03:54] <ubotu> 3ddesktop: "Three-dimensional" desktop switcher. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.9-5.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 74 kB, installed size 448 kB
[03:54] <juano> neddiW: what kind of ipod is it??
[03:54] <juano> neddiW: cause i have a motorola rokr and itunes just DOESNT work here :P
[03:55] <neddiW> 30gb video
[03:55] <juano> neddiW: but some other ipods work with it
[03:55] <neddiW> ohhh :S
[03:55] <juano> neddiW: usually some ipods work, motorola rokr is a whole different story though
[03:55] <neddiW> juano, oh well i dunno i have heard that is not the same
[03:56] <juano> neddiW: are you trying to sync itunes? or just mount it as a plain usb device?
[03:56] <grumbly> I'm getting an error with libtag 1.4.4 and reinstalling it dosn't resolve the issue.  what else could be causing it?
[03:57] <juano> neddiW: cause if you want to mount it as a plain usb device u can use this line:
[03:57] <Slackwise> Adept really needs to stop crashing every 5 seconds.
[03:57] <neddiW> juano, trying to sync some tunes on amarok
[03:57] <juano> neddiW: ahh..
[03:57] <juano> neddiW: anyway try using this line:
[03:58] <neddiW> the problem is that no usb o removable drive mounts automatically :(
[03:58] <neddiW> it did in the past but not now
[03:58] <neddiW> ok
[03:58] <juano> neddiW: /dev/sda2 /media/ipod vfat rw,nosuid,nodev,quiet,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8 0 0
[03:58] <neddiW> juano ok
[03:58] <juano> oh neddiW
[03:58] <juano> neddiW: did you run sudo mount -a?
[03:59] <neddiW> n ope
[03:59] <juano> neddiW: you should do it after changing fstab or mtab
[03:59] <neddiW> well i dunno how to change fstab or mtab
[03:59] <neddiW> juano, im a newbie :P
[04:00] <K-Ryan> i'm out for the night guys, cya
[04:00] <juano> neddiW: does the ipod appear in your desktop?
[04:00] <neddiW> juano, yes
[04:00] <juano> neddiW: have you tried rhythmbox?
[04:01] <juano> you could try rhythmbox, that was the closest one to sync my motorola rokr lol
[04:01] <neddiW> juano, let me try
[04:07] <malik_> how do i tell FF to play all real media files including smil.smi/rtsp files with real player instead of mplayer plugin?
[04:08] <unix_infidel> why not get real player codecs for mplayer and have mplayer handle it.
[04:10] <malik_> i accidently installed mplayer which does have real player codecs from ubuntu repos but it plays some files and some dont plus when it plays the whole window turns into mplayer window n site disappears
[04:10] <malik_> i have xine/Kmplayer(towork in konqi) /also now mplayer
[04:12] <malik_> and i installed FF becoz videos from msnbc and msn.com wouldn't play in konqi.............any suggestions?
[04:12] <neddiW> juano, im downloading rythmbox
[04:12] <juano> neddiW: ok
[04:13] <neddiW> juano, how can i edit the fstab o whatever is called :) to mount automatically the usb drives and ipod, etc?
[04:14] <juano> neddiW: try adding the line i gave you to the end of mtab, do gksudo gedit /etc/mtab
[04:14] <draik> Hello everyone
[04:14] <draik> How do I convert wmv format to create a DVD?
[04:15] <malik_> is any one able to play videos from msn.com in konqi?..........if yes can i be guided how to play that ?
[04:15] <malik_> draik: use k3b
[04:15] <draik> malik_: k3b will allow me to create a DVD?
[04:16] <draik> I have a few videos that I want to put to 1 DVD
[04:16] <neddiW> juano,
[04:16] <neddiW>  sudo gksudo gedit /etc/mtab
[04:16] <neddiW> (gksudo:1272): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.
[04:16] <neddiW>         Using the fallback 'C' locale.
[04:16] <juano> neddi
[04:16] <juano> neddiW: no
[04:16] <malik_> yes
[04:17] <juano> its gksudo gedit /etc/mtab
[04:17] <malik_> im tryin to make one so that i can tell u how to do that exactly
[04:17] <ForzaPalermo> hey everone... i cant uninstall wpasupplicant....not through adept or konsole. i get errors
[04:18] <Schuenemann> dwidmann: where did you say opera binary was?
[04:18] <draik> malik_: Trying to do one what?
[04:19] <malik_> draik: use k3b...........open k3b then goto file n then to new project n from there select new video dvd project and u shud be set
[04:19] <malik_> provided u have dvd burner
[04:19] <danny> hello guys, does anybody know where kmail stores the account settings?
[04:20] <Thehound666> I got a huge problem
[04:20] <dwidmann> /usr/lib/opera/9.10-20061214.6/
[04:20] <Hawai`i>  ive installed kubuntu and i installed proftpd to share files with friends, but my logs are filling up with trouble makers and i was wondering if theres any way to block the ip
[04:20] <draik> malik_: Thank you. I'm sorry. I was only looking at the main menu for that. Since I only have video, do I just place the wmv videos in VIDEO_TS?
[04:20] <Thehound666> I need disk space but as I delete files, my disk space is not increasing
[04:20] <Thehound666> it keeps saying same amount free
[04:20] <sampan> i've forgotten how to turn off the bouncy icons when i start a program, anyone remember which setting in kcontrol that is (on edgy)?
[04:21] <malik_> danny: goto settings>configure Kmail> n there u ll have it in the left hand panes
[04:21] <Thehound666> I deleted 5 gigs
[04:21] <Thehound666> no increase
[04:22] <Thehound666> and emptied trash
[04:22] <malik_> draik: i guess after u select ur video or after u have added it to the project just click on burn n u shud be set
[04:22] <dwidmann> Schuenemann: /usr/lib/opera/9.10-20061214.6
[04:22] <draik> malik_: Right. But do I add the video to the VIDEO_TS folder?
[04:23] <Schuenemann> dwidmann: how did you install it?
[04:23] <dwidmann> Schuenemann: the debian package
[04:23] <neddiW> juano, look
[04:23] <neddiW> juano, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1785/
[04:23] <dwidmann> or rather, the ubuntu package ... same deal really
[04:23] <Schuenemann> I got the tar.gz
[04:24] <Schuenemann> well, executing the binary directly doesn't work
[04:24] <dwidmann> Schuenemann: any reason why?
[04:24] <danny> file:///media/hdb/home/danny/Desktop/Business Documentation
[04:24] <danny> file:///media/hdb/home/danny/Desktop/Downloads
[04:24] <danny> file:///media/hdb/home/danny/Desktop/My Documents
[04:24] <danny> file:///media/hdb/home/danny/Desktop/Temp
[04:24] <dwidmann> Schuenemann: I know, you need to use the script to start it, /usr/bin/opera
[04:24] <Schuenemann> The Opera binary is not located at "./bin/opera".
[04:24] <Schuenemann> Please modify the wrapper script at "/usr/local/bin/opera".
[04:24] <danny> oops
[04:24] <Schuenemann> any reason why what?
[04:25] <dwidmann> Schuenemann: wait a minute, I guess that script wouldn't have been put th ere then, oops
[04:25] <malik_> draik:no u just add the video by clickin on it n leave the rest with k3b coz i think it will put some other files in that folder i just tried and ir doesnt let me put video files in there
[04:25] <danny> hello guys, does anybody know where kmail stores the account settings?
[04:25] <Schuenemann> that was the bin
[04:25] <malik_> danny: goto settings>configure Kmail> n there u ll have it in the left hand panes
[04:25] <draik> malik_: I was able to place videos in there, but it's still trying to burn them as data, not video
[04:25] <juano> neddiW: yea.. you can try it though
[04:25] <dwidmann> Schuenemann: might be better off backtracking, and using the *.deb to install it, that gives you all you need, menu entry, startup script, etc
[04:26] <juano> after that you do sudo mount -a
[04:26] <Schuenemann> I'll remove and use that
[04:26] <Thehound666> how do I recover disk space? It seems deleting files doesn't work
[04:26] <neddiW> juano, ok let me see
[04:27] <dwidmann> Thehound666: are you deleting files that are on the same partition that you want to free disk space in?
[04:27] <Thehound666> yes
[04:27] <Thehound666> I have 1 partition
[04:27] <Thehound666> besides swap
[04:27] <neddiW> juano,
[04:27] <neddiW> sudo mount -a
[04:27] <neddiW> [mntent] : warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/mtab
[04:27] <Thehound666> it seems it's not updating free space
[04:27] <Thehound666> even after a reboot
[04:27] <Martiini> anyone know where I can get freenx ?
[04:28] <Martiini> !freenx
[04:28] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[04:28] <draik> malik_: Any other apps that can create a DVD from wmv for me?
[04:28] <dwidmann> thehound666, what are you using to check freespace? df -h works well
[04:28] <malik_> draik: i wudnt have clue then coz i dont have dvd burner so it doesnt let me pass the second step
[04:28] <Thehound666> right clicking folders then properties
[04:28] <Martiini> theres no freenx packages anymore
[04:28] <Thehound666> it's on the bottom
[04:28] <dwidmann> thehound666, the easiest way to free up a gig or so of space is to run "sudo apt-get clean"
[04:28] <Thehound666> and it's in rtorrent
[04:28] <Thehound666> I deleted 5 gigs
[04:28] <malik_> draik: check adept
[04:28] <Thehound666> how do I free that
[04:29] <juano> neddiW: gksudo gedit /etc/mtab and after the line you putted hit ENTER and put save
[04:29] <draik> malik_: Devede
[04:29] <juano> neddiW: and try again
[04:29] <Schuenemann> goal
[04:29] <Schuenemann> oops
[04:30] <didoman> hi
[04:30] <neddiW> juano, ok did it, everything ok :)
[04:30] <danny> malik: thanks but thats not what i need
[04:30] <Thehound666> didn't look as if it did anything
[04:30] <danny> i installed a new hard drive with kubuntu 6.06
[04:30] <juano> neddiW: can you access your ipod now?
[04:31] <Thehound666> ok it freed 200 MB
[04:31] <Thehound666> what about the 5 gigs I deleted?
[04:31] <dwidmann> thehound666, not sure
[04:31] <juano> anyone know how to sync to a motorola rokrs database???
[04:31] <malik_> draik: yes that shud do.........also there are one or two others
[04:31] <neddiW> juano, it says the same warning, "An unknown error occured"
[04:31] <danny> malik: and i want to copy my kmail settings from my old kubuntu 6.06 on an old hard drive to my new kubuntu on a new hard drive
[04:31] <Thehound666> well I need the disk space I removed the files for that reason
[04:31] <dwidmann> Thehound666: on the bright side, hdd space is relatively cheap :)
[04:31] <Thehound666> this is really bad
[04:32] <neddiW> juano, it tries to open the folder of the ipod but it says the message "An unknown error occured"
[04:32] <Thehound666> looking at a format it seems
[04:32] <Schuenemann> dwidmann: what do I do with that debian package?
[04:32] <dwidmann> thehound666, how much space does df -h say you have?
[04:32] <juano> neddiW: mmm... yeah ipods with itunes are a big deal in linux, cause theres no good support
[04:32] <Thehound666> -h?
[04:32] <dwidmann> Schuenemann: dpkg --install <packagename>
[04:32] <Schuenemann> thx
[04:32] <didoman> plz someone can tell me how can i play medias ?
[04:32] <dwidmann> thehound666: -h = human readable ... it'll show it in MB or GB instead of bytes
[04:32] <juano> neddiW: try sudo mkdir /media/ipod
[04:33] <malik_> danny: then u shud check it in the hidden files in ur home directory in old HDD
[04:33] <neddiW> juano, yeah :S
[04:33] <Schuenemann> what kind of medias?
[04:33] <juano> neddiW: then do sudo mount /dev/sda2 /media/ipod
[04:33] <didoman> videos
[04:33] <Thehound666> typed -h in konsole
[04:33] <didoman> for exp
[04:33] <neddiW> juano,
[04:33] <Thehound666> gave me a bash error
[04:33] <neddiW> sudo mkdir /media/ipod
[04:33] <neddiW> mkdir: cannot create directory `/media/ipod': File exists
[04:33] <Thehound666> command not found
[04:33] <Schuenemann> you can't play anything?
[04:33] <juano> neddiW: hehe, you got it already
[04:33] <danny> malik: i already copied my old settings - it got everythin except the account settings themselves
[04:33] <juano> neddiW: ok, go inside /media/ipod
[04:33] <didoman> yes
[04:33] <dwidmann> thehound666, "df -h", -h is a switch for df ... the command for checking free space
[04:34] <neddiW> ok
[04:34] <juano> neddiW: can you see your ipod there?
[04:34] <rositass> alguien sabe espaol
[04:34] <juano> neddiW: i mean
[04:34] <danny> malik: plus it doesnt show my imap accounts
[04:34] <juano> neddiW:  the files from it
[04:34] <Schuenemann> didoman: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[04:34] <Schuenemann> !es | rositass
[04:34] <ubotu> rositass: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[04:34] <neddiW> juano, it says "media:/sda2"
[04:34] <neddiW> juano, im inside now
[04:34] <didoman> thank u
[04:34] <Thehound666> it only says 1 more GB than properties
[04:35] <neddiW> but i did a: "sudo mount /dev/sda2 /media/ipod"
[04:35] <Thehound666> why are these files permanently occupying my HDD
[04:35] <Thehound666> after deletion
[04:35] <juano> neddiW: ok, yeah i really cant help with sync in itunes here
[04:35] <juano> neddiW: i tried myself a million times with a million programs
[04:35] <dwidmann> thehound666, which files did you delete ... maybe much of what you deleted were symbolic links, or something
[04:35] <juano> neddiW: and no luck in linux with my rokr
[04:35] <malik_> danny: /home/malik/.kde/share/apps n then copy the Kmail folder from there.............replace malik with ur home directory..................have u tried that?.............where did u copied the settings of kmail from?
[04:36] <Thehound666> an iso to the tune of 3.6 GB
[04:36] <Thehound666> and a 1.37 GB video
[04:36] <juano> neddiW: i even tried itunes through wine (app that lets you open windows applications) and no luck
[04:36] <dwidmann> thehound666, did you really delete, or just move to trash? Be sure to empty your trash bin
[04:36] <Schuenemann> that deb package is a hand on the wheel
[04:36] <Thehound666> move to trash->empty trash
[04:37] <didoman> schuenemann it works th u v muuuuch
[04:37] <danny> malik: yes exactly that directory in /home/danny/.kde/share/apps/kmail and kontact and knotes and korganizer
[04:37] <neddiW> juano, well maybe im out of luck :(
[04:37] <juano> neddiW: you can google it and see
[04:37] <neddiW> juano, thanks for your patience and help . learned a lot :)
[04:37] <neddiW> juano, thats what i will do :)
[04:37] <neddiW> juano, thanks!
[04:37] <shahid> anyone know what program i can use to edit a PSD (Photoshop) file?
[04:38] <mshade-laptop> gimp
[04:38] <dwidmann> thehound666: try using filelight,k it will tell you where the most space is being taken up at
[04:38] <juano> neddiW: anytime :) wish you good luck :)
[04:38] <Thehound666> ok did 1 more file at 700 MB(I have these backed up)
[04:38] <mshade-laptop> krita
[04:38] <dwidmann> you'll have to apt-get install it first though
[04:38] <shahid> does it edit text?
[04:38] <matthew> anyone have any experience w/ rtorrent? I'm having trouble w/ starting a torrent....
[04:38] <mshade-laptop> they both work for psd
[04:38] <juano> neddiW: oh and by the way, if you get somethin neat ring the bell lol
[04:38] <Thehound666> filelight k
[04:38] <Thehound666> the 700 MB file showed free space
[04:39] <neddiW> juano, ok i will ;)
[04:39] <shahid> i have the gimp installed already, but can't figure out how to edit text, how do i do that with the gimp?
[04:39] <Thehound666> see it in google
[04:39] <Thehound666> am I stuck compiling it?
[04:39] <shahid> also how do upload my website to the web in ubuntu?
[04:39] <malik_> danny: then i am sorry ..........im a newb myself
[04:39] <Thehound666> all I see is rpm and tared source
[04:40] <danny> malik: ok thanks for the effort, anyway do you happen to know the irc channel for kmail?
[04:41] <dwidmann> thehound666: sudo aptitude install filelight
[04:44] <malik_> i think it will b kmail or kontact n if not then just kubuntu i suppose where u already are
[04:45] <Thehound666> filelight is reporting correct disk usage btw
[04:45] <Thehound666> Kubuntu is not
[04:45] <matthew> never mind, I figured it out
[04:45] <danny> malik: ok thanks it looks like it doesnt have an irc channel of its own
[04:46] <Minataku> What's a good CLI program to author an audio CD?
[04:46] <matthew> cdrecord
[04:46] <matthew> !cdrecord | Minataku
[04:46] <Minataku> Author, not write
[04:46] <ubotu> cdrecord: command line CD writing tool. In component main, is optional. Version 4:2.01+01a03-5ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 567 kB, installed size 1176 kB
[04:46] <Minataku> I know cdrecord already
[04:46] <matthew> oh, whoops...what do you mean, author?
[04:46] <Minataku> Make the CD, I don't think mkisofs is the right tool
[04:46] <matthew> !k3b
[04:46] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[04:47] <Thehound666> so now to get Kubuntu to report what filelight reports
[04:47] <Minataku> CLI
[04:47] <Thehound666> open to suggestions
[04:47] <Minataku> Not GUI
[04:47] <Minataku> lol
[04:47] <matthew> ooops, sorry....
[04:47] <malik_> danny: are u there goto this place n copy this file /home/malik/.kde/share/config and copy kmailrc it has ur account details
[04:48] <Minataku> Oh, snap
[04:48] <Minataku> cdrecord WILL do it
[04:48] <Minataku> :O
[04:48] <malik_> danny: are u there goto this place n copy the file from  /home/malik/.kde/share/config and copy "kmailrc" it has ur account details
[04:48] <danny> malik_: ok sorry i didnt see the underscore for your name :)
[04:48] <Minataku> matthew: Cancel that help, turns out cdrecord can do it
[04:49] <Minataku> lol
plz how can i install plugin for firefox
[04:49] <matthew> yay!
[04:50] <Thehound666> we know the files got deleted but Kubuntu refuses to update stats
[04:50] <matthew> I'm still kind of confused with rtorrent...anyone want to help?
[04:50] <malik_> danny: try that last step i pasted n lemme know if it works
[04:50] <Schuenemann> what plugin?
[04:50] <Thehound666> any way to force it?
[04:50] <Thehound666> since filelight sees it
[04:50] <danny> malik_: aight just a sec
[04:50] <manchicken> !bzr
[04:50] <ubotu> bzr is Bazaar-NG, a decentralized revision control system designed to be easy for developers and end users alike. Decentralized revision control systems give people the ability to work over the internet using the bazaar development model.
[04:50] <didoman> realplayer
[04:51] <Schuenemann> hmmm I never installed that, but then you open a page that requires it, don't you have an option to install?
[04:51] <Minataku> matthew: Heh, sorry about that X3
[04:52] <matthew> Minataku, sorry for what? the cdrecord thing? no prob...
[04:53] <Minataku> matthew: :3
[04:55] <seven11> how do i connect to kpf?
[04:56] <Thehound666> do I need to format to correct this?
[04:56] <Thehound666> getting close to doing so
[04:57] <danny> malik_: !!!
[04:57] <danny> malik_: !!!
[04:57] <danny> malik_: it worked!
[04:57] <Thehound666> Kubuntu says 178 GB used, filelight says 169 GB used
[04:58] <Thehound666> 169 is now about correct
[04:58] <malik_> danny: hehehehehe..............glad i cud be any help
[04:59] <Thehound666> hmmm no torrenting with Kubuntu. Seems I can't get space back
[04:59] <Thehound666> :(
[04:59] <Minataku> Mmmmm... pthalocyanine
[04:59] <danny> malik_: man thanks a lot i cudnt find that in google - anywAy howd u know the config file for kmail?
[05:00] <Thehound666> going to format.
[05:01] <Thehound666> is there any way to unmount my drive and remount it, making it think it found a new drive?
[05:01] <Thehound666> long shot but my last hope
[05:02] <malik_> danny: well i just poked around in all the directories in .kde n then went to config instead of apps since we had already tried that n then found that text file n opened it to c whats in there n Bingo!
[05:02] <matthew> I'm having trouble with rtorrent...anyone want to help me?
[05:02] <Dr_willis> matthew,  elaborate...
[05:02] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:02] <danny> malik_: thanks again man you just made my day :) :) :)
[05:03] <malik_> danny: u r welcome mate
[05:03] <joshy> re
[05:03] <matthew> lol, yeah...I'm having trouble having torrents work...they are "activated" and start, but my test torrent (ubuntu server 6.10) is stuck at no d/l and no u/l and only 1.2 megs downloaded...I'm on a 4.3Mbps cable line.
[05:03] <matthew> Elaborate?
[05:04] <sampan> grrrr, how can i kill these bouncing icons when i start an app?
[05:04] <malik_> matthew: sounds like a bad torrent
[05:04] <Carbon_Monoxide> hello
[05:04] <joshy> Carbon_Monoxide: moin
[05:04] <matthew> no way! it's the torrent for a copy of ubuntu, no way it's bad!
[05:05] <Carbon_Monoxide> my Kubuntu performed a disk scan while starting, and said it found some non-contingous block. How can I check the detail of that scan performed?
[05:05] <malik_> Dr_willis: can u help me with associatinmg all the real media files with real player 10 instead of mplayer codec?
[05:06] <malik_> Dr_willis: or if u can tell me how to change a files association in FF that wud be great too
[05:07] <Carbon_Monoxide> because I'm afraid my ext3 partition was damaged by malwares and trojans which affected by WindozXP recently
[05:09] <Dr_willis> malik_,  i cant even rember the last time i used/played any real media stuff..
[05:10] <malik_> Dr_willis: oki then just can u plz tell me how to change a files handler in FF coz it doesnt even open the links starting with mms?
[05:12] <malik_> Jucato: are you at your comp mate?
[05:12] <Jucato> malik_: barely
[05:12] <malik_> hehehehehehe
[05:13] <Jucato> how may I be of service (before I rush off to lunch)
[05:13] <malik_> Jucato: can u tell me how to change a files handl;er application in firefox?
[05:13] <Jucato> um.. unfortunately, I'm  not a fox user...
[05:13] <Jucato> about:config gives you nothing?
[05:14] <malik_> Jucato: my real player 10 doesnt pick any thing in FF or even in konqi
[05:15] <Hobbsee> malik_: what are you trying to do, sorry?
[05:16] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee
[05:16] <Hobbsee> heya
[05:16] <Jucato> malik_: really sorry... you asked 2 of things I don't use... Firefox and Real Player...
[05:16] <malik_> i am tryin to play real media files ...........some come as smil some as rstp and both konqi or FF dont recongnise it
[05:16] <Hobbsee> malik_: edit, preferences, config....
[05:17] <crusty> hello! looking for a good program to convert avi in to wmv........any advice???? many thanks
[05:17] <Hobbsee> filetypes section, manage
[05:17] <dannybuntu> dannybuntu: hoy kain na kanina ka pa dito
[05:17] <dannybuntu> dannybuntu: kain na
[05:17] <Hobbsee> dannybuntu: english only please
[05:18] <Jucato> lol
[05:18] <Jucato> dannybuntu: yeah, gonna eat lunch now :)
[05:18] <danny> :)
[05:18] <dannybuntu> :)
[05:19] <malik_> Hobbsee: and then where or how should i change since i dont see any real media files in files types menu?
[05:19] <seven11> someone any idea about kpf how do i connect
[05:21] <Hobbsee> malik_: not sure.  should be auto-recognised, actually
[05:21] <malik_> Hmmm oki ........been googling it for hrs but no luck
[05:37] <Thehound666> I tried a remount and now everything says partition not writable
[05:38] <Thehound666> will reboot fix?
[05:42] <Thehound666> ok fsck now says errors
[05:42] <leexgx> i get this when i try and update ?? W: GPG error:  edgy-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key
[05:44] <Thehound666> recovery mode should fix. It fixed my friend's system which was unbootable even
[05:45] <bonbonthejon> does anyone know where mysql keeps its databases
[05:47] <chris_> how do i do a streach icon in kde?
[05:47] <bonbonthejon> chris_: what do you mean
[05:47] <chris_> in gnome i right click strech icon and i can make it bigger
[05:47] <chris_> how can i do that in kde?
[05:48] <bonbonthejon> chris_: do you mean just have bigger icons?
[05:50] <chris_> i want it only one 1 icon (my home)
[05:50] <chris_> i like i big home icon :D
[05:50] <bonbonthejon> chris_: ok, in system settings > appearances > advanced, you can specify the icon size
[05:51] <crazy_bus> Ktorrent worked yesterday.  But today trying to load it just causes 100% of my memory to be used and the mouse only moves in jerks.  And ktorrent doesn't load.  Can anyone help?
[05:52] <chris_> system settings?
[05:52] <chris_> kcontrol?
[05:52] <bonbonthejon> chris_: that works
[05:52] <chris_> where in kcontrol
[05:53] <bonbonthejon> crazy_bus: try running ktorrent from konsole and see if it gives any errors
[05:53] <crazy_bus> kio (KMimeType): WARNING: KServiceType::offers : servicetype ThumbCreator not found
[05:54] <bonbonthejon> chris_: appearance & themes --> icons --> advanced
[05:54] <bonbonthejon> crazy_bus: I dont know what that means, but now you can try to find a solution
[05:54] <bonbonthejon> crazy_bus: did you do an update or something
[05:56] <chris_> i only want 1 desktop icon bigger
[05:57] <tommy> hello
[05:57] <tommy> i just switched from windows to kubuntu, and i cant figure out how to change my screen resolution
[05:57] <leexgx> hmm thats an bug that can get boring fast haveing to move my mouse away to click on an button
[05:57] <crazy_bus> I update manager updated 2 files this monrning
[05:57] <tommy> it doesnt do anything when  i try it in system settings, it just asks me if i want to keep the settings but nothing changges
[05:58] <chris_> can you guys help me with wine and quicken?
[05:59] <bonbonthejon> crazy_bus: what files updated
[05:59] <crazy_bus> I can't remeber the download size of 99kbs
[05:59] <chris_> my dad loves it
[05:59] <tommy> how can you change the screen resolution ?
[05:59] <Dr_willis> !fixres
[05:59] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:00] <matthew> YES! I finally got rtorrent working!
[06:00] <Thehound666> 75% fixed
[06:00] <Dr_willis> tommy,  if yoru video card drivers are isntalled right you should be able to use that kde control settings under "perhierfials/Monitor"
[06:00] <Thehound666> almost scared me though not afraid of killing Kubuntu
[06:01] <Thehound666> have a utility on Windows to browse ext3
[06:01] <Thehound666> to recover data
[06:01] <Thehound666> if Linux becomes not bootable
[06:01] <Dr_willis> Bah! thats what live cds are for!
[06:01] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:01] <chris_> ohhhh yeah and one more thing :D, i ran apt-get install kde (there was a newer version :D) and i was wondering how do i stop both battery programs from loading?
[06:01] <Dr_willis> chris_,  remove 1 from the panel?
[06:02] <chris_> from auto start?
[06:02] <Thehound666> yeah but booting Windows and pulling onto another partition is faster
[06:02] <Dr_willis> chris_,  what battery program are you refering to anyway
[06:02] <Thehound666> trust me, I don't dedicate more space than I must on any of my machines for windows
[06:04] <chris_> the one that comes with ubuntu?
[06:04] <chris_> kubuntu*
[06:04] <Pensa`MIA> how to reset kicker preferences?
[06:05] <Dr_willis> chris_, assume i am NOT on a laptop or machine that has a battery... :)
[06:05] <Dr_willis> chris_,  you are refering to some sort of battery montioring program in the panel?
[06:05] <chris_> yeah
[06:05] <chris_> i killed it so i dont know the name :/
[06:06] <Dr_willis> if ya close out the programs and log out of KDE - it 'should' rember what you have running and just restart the ones you had
[06:07] <Pensa`MIA> what folder do I need to delete to reset kicker?
[06:07] <Dr_willis> all kde settings are in .kde  - not sure what specific dirs are for kicker however. :()
[06:08] <Pensa`MIA> ok thx
[06:08] <Dr_willis> .kde/share/config/kickerrc is one file I think.. there may be some others in the other dirs
[06:11] <Pensa`MIA> thx, that fixed it
[06:11] <Thehound666> what does Kicker do?
[06:11] <Thehound666> the KDE crash handler just came up for kicker
[06:12] <Dr_willis> its the taskbar/panel at the bottom of the screen
[06:12] <Thehound666> ahh it disappeared and reappeared
[06:12] <Thehound666> wonder why it would crash
[06:14] <Dr_willis> Dust Bunnies.
[06:14] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:14] <Thehound666> ok in more relevant terms, should I be concerned or go about what I'm doing?
[06:14] <Thehound666> lol
[06:14] <Dr_willis> proberly some app did somthing bad..
[06:14] <Dr_willis> ive rarely had kicker die so badly that it screwed anything up.
[06:14] <Thehound666> and last question
[06:15] <Dr_willis> linux/kde is a bit more bullet proof then windows in that area
[06:15] <Thehound666> a good linux virus scanner?
[06:15] <Dr_willis> Better Question - why do you THINK you need a virus scanner...
[06:15] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:15] <Dr_willis> What viruses ya planning on scanning for?
[06:15] <Thehound666> just to be sure
[06:15] <Thehound666> some things have been acting weird
[06:15] <Thehound666> and needed fixing
[06:15] <Dr_willis> The virus scanners out 'for linux' scan for windows viruses in files...
[06:16] <Dr_willis> to work as a 'main server/detector/tools' theres very few if any real linux viruses out to be worried about
[06:16] <Thehound666> and what use is that
[06:16] <Thehound666> lol
[06:16] <Dr_willis> you put the linux box in as a mail server.. it scans the files for viruses.
[06:16] <Dr_willis> simple eh..
[06:16] <Dr_willis> or ftp server. or whatever.. or ya use it to scan the various samba/windows  shares and so forth
[06:17] <Thehound666> once on a file I downloaded in Windows, I always scan and it found a Linux virus
[06:17] <Thehound666> in a Windows .exe
[06:17] <Dr_willis> I would bet that was a false positive in the virus checker program
[06:17] <Dr_willis> I had a windows program detect a virus in a 'compressed amiga disk file'
[06:18] <Dr_willis> considering the disk image was like from a 20+ yr old floppy... it was wrong.
[06:18] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:18] <Thehound666> well I mean the virus said Linux instead of W32
[06:18] <Minataku> Uh
[06:18] <Thehound666> was a Windows exe
[06:18] <Thehound666> weird
[06:18] <Minataku> There were viruses 20 years ago
[06:18] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  but it was an AMIGA disk...
[06:18] <Minataku> There were a lot of Amiga viruses
[06:18] <Dr_willis> it wasent even in fat/whatever format, and it was compressed with lzh
[06:18] <Minataku> Particularly nasty ones, too
[06:19] <Dr_willis> it dident detect an AMIGA virus.. it detected a windows virus
[06:19] <Minataku> Oh
[06:19] <Minataku> Sorry XD
[06:19] <Thehound666> lol
[06:19] <Dr_willis> and it was a 'compressed' amiga disk image as well. :)
[06:19] <Minataku> Yeah, that would most likely be a false then XD
[06:19] <Minataku> Most scanners uncompress
[06:19] <Thehound666> Was it Windows 1.0 back then?
[06:19] <Dr_willis> this was befor windows 1.0
[06:19] <Dr_willis> This was Dos Days
[06:20] <Thehound666> lol a virus writer ahead of his time
[06:20] <Dr_willis> and yes - i do have a lot of Very old files. :)
[06:20] <Thehound666> actually the uploader said the Linux virus was legit but it would hurt Windows
[06:21] <Thehound666> some editions of the disc came out with one
[06:21] <Thehound666> wouldn't*
[06:21] <Thehound666> old game
[06:22] <Dr_willis> Oh for the days of simple Floppy boot sector Viruses
[06:22] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:22] <Dr_willis> now we got companies installing CrudWare on machines as  they leave the factory
[06:23] <Thehound666> all my prebuilt machines had that
[06:23] <Thehound666> I immediately formatted
[06:23] <Dr_willis> yep - when you are getting 2+GB of crudware... and 3 DVD's to restore the systems to it crudware infested state...
[06:23] <Dr_willis> its getting a bit silly
[06:24] <Dr_willis> Thank you Mr. Dell.. but i do NOT need demos of stuff..
[06:24] <Thehound666> Use: Kubuntu single CD or my special Windows CD I made a long time ago
[06:24] <Thehound666> 200 MB
[06:24] <Thehound666> bloat removed
[06:25] <Thehound666> it'll be awhile before you can do that to Vista
[06:25] <Dr_willis> if ever
[06:25] <Dr_willis> Amazing thing about Vista - i cant find Anyone thats actually looking forward to it...
[06:25] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:25] <Thehound666> I see no future in Windows past xp
[06:26] <Thehound666> why I got more into this
[06:26] <Thehound666> <--Vista beta tester who has final code since November
[06:26] <Dr_willis> i got win95 running in a vmware session for just a few apps.
[06:27] <Dr_willis> getting a bit annoyign when ya got to have .net  stuff installed just for video card drivers and so forth...
[06:27] <Thehound666> how is Linux VMWare?
[06:27] <Dr_willis> .NET - got to be the worse name for a product
[06:27] <Thehound666> tried asking in off-topic
[06:27] <Dr_willis> Vmware Server for linux is now Free.
[06:27] <Dr_willis> just got to send them an email address.. and they dont even check it.
[06:27] <Dr_willis> fill in questionare... and get serial #
[06:28] <Dr_willis> they got higher end products they charge for.
[06:28] <Thehound666> I use Workstation 6.0 beta in Wintrash but think I might want to play the classics under Linux
[06:28] <Dr_willis> Play what classics? DosBox rules for most dos games.
[06:28] <Thehound666> how does it work compared to Windows?
[06:29] <Thehound666> well a few are incompatible 95 games
[06:29] <Thehound666> .exe form
[06:29] <Dr_willis> never tried vmware under windows.. so cant tell ya much.
[06:29] <Dr_willis> Given i got a few dozen x 10+gb of dos games.. :) i got plenty to play
[06:29] <Thehound666> great under Windows for Linux, if you want to distro hunt
[06:29] <Thehound666> most run perfect
[06:30] <Thehound666> ok for win85
[06:30] <Thehound666> a bit of tweaking
[06:30] <Thehound666> 95*
[06:30] <Thehound666> example:to get good sound
[06:31] <Thehound666> Win 95 has a known issue in VMWare but it's fixable
[06:31] <Thehound666> far as audio
[06:31] <mortici> hmmm
[06:32] <Dr_willis> night all
[06:32] <Thehound666> my Linux drive is small but I ftp it to my network storage
[06:33] <Thehound666> as I download stuff
[06:34] <Thehound666> have a Windows pc with 2x1 TB on board
[06:34] <Thehound666> my gaming monster
[06:34] <Thehound666> like to make and use .iso
[06:34] <Thehound666> no disc access time
[06:36] <Daisuke_Ido> wouldn't that be 2TB?
[06:36] <Thehound666> yes
[06:36] <Thehound666> 1 drive=disc images
[06:36] <Thehound666> other=my installs
[06:36] <Thehound666> +temp storage
[06:36] <Daisuke_Ido> wow
[06:36] <Daisuke_Ido> 1TB hard drives aren't even shipping yet.
[06:37] <leexgx> i run vmware under windows
[06:37] <Thehound666> yes they are
[06:37] <leexgx> or ubuntu on vmware on windows
[06:37] <Thehound666> for about 300 pounds
[06:37] <Thehound666> Western Digital
[06:38] <Thehound666> how big can ext3 handle for partition size?
[06:38] <Thehound666> if I wanted to get one for a Linux machine
[06:39] <Daisuke_Ido> the first 1tb drive was announced a week ago, by hitachi, and won't ship for some time yet.
[06:39] <Daisuke_Ido> but whatever's cool with you :P
[06:39] <monzie> hi all
[06:39] <Thehound666> you're wrong. Western digital is in stores
[06:39] <monzie> i want to do network printing in kubuntu Edgy
[06:40] <monzie> the printer is configured just fine
[06:40] <monzie> but konqueror shows "printing page 1"
[06:40] <monzie> and then crashes
[06:40] <monzie>  i cant even print to a pdf file
[06:40] <Thehound666> browse in a minute. my cpu usage will be down
[06:41] <Daisuke_Ido> http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=267
[06:41] <Daisuke_Ido> that's the *only* 1tb offering on WD's site
[06:42] <Daisuke_Ido> and it's an external, and it's 2x500gb
[06:42] <monzie> can someone please help me with a printing problem?
[06:45] <mortici> anyone know why quicktime files don't play properly in firefox?
[06:45] <mortici> i have sound but no video
[06:46] <phobiac> Where does Wine keep it's C drive?
[06:46] <Jucato> ~/.wine/drive_c
[06:47] <phobiac> Aha, thank you
[06:48] <mortici> anyone
[06:53] <neddiW> hi, does anyone know how to automount usb drives and ipods
[06:54] <neddiW> i dunno why but i get error whenever i try to open and usb drive
[06:56] <ubuntu> Hi there, is there a channel for kubuntu feisty?
[06:56] <Jucato> !feisty | ubuntu
[06:56] <ubotu> ubuntu: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[06:57] <fellipe> hello?
[06:57] <ubuntu> ubuntu+1 !! thanks jucato :-)
[07:04] <dglnz> anyone able to help kde desktop appears on half the screen now
[07:10] <dave> help on KDE desktop display now only half the screen, installed vmware before this happened /usr space full
[07:14] <dave> mode
[07:14] <dave> anyone here?
[07:15] <dwidmann> I'm around, now anyway
[07:15] <dwidmann> running out of space doesn't sound like a pleasant thing to have happen.
[07:16] <jbinder> hi
[07:16] <dwidmann> hello
[07:16] <dave> dwidmann i can only see you here is there only 2 here?
[07:16] <jbinder> does kubuntu come with openoffice?
[07:16] <jbinder> or koffice
[07:16] <sampan> jbinder  OOo
[07:17] <dwidmann> dave, I'm more than willing to bet there are plenty of idle people
[07:17] <jbinder> sampan: k
[07:17] <jbinder> and
[07:17] <jbinder> does it come with firefox?
[07:17] <jbinder> or konqueror
[07:17] <dwidmann> No
[07:17] <dwidmann> Konqueror
[07:17] <jbinder> nooo
[07:17] <jbinder> lol
[07:17] <jbinder> does it come with kmplayer?
[07:18] <dwidmann> I can't recall, I don't think so, could have sworn it was in the default set when edgy was in development, maybe I was just dreaming though. Anyhow, I'm pretty sure it isn't.
[07:18] <fowlduck> about 300 idle people actually
[07:18] <fowlduck> or busy people
[07:18] <sampan> i just installed edgy and unless firefox came in surreptitiously with a language pack install it's already on here
[07:18] <dave> help kde only on half the screen, loaded a guest OS into /usr and filled it up got kde backup but only hlf screen any help?
[07:19] <dwidmann> jbinder, for multimedia, it *does* come with kaffeine, k3b, and amarok, and I can't recall what else because I think I uninstalled all of the other ones.
[07:20] <dwidmann> dave, I don't get it ... only half the screen is showing anything ... I've never heard of anything like that ... ever
[07:20] <dave> well top half shows my desktop other half is black
[07:21] <dwidmann> dave, had you changed anything else?
[07:21] <dave> I've tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:21] <dwidmann> no luck I presume?
[07:21] <dwidmann> what video driver are you using?
[07:21] <dwidmann> (my most obvious suggestion being to try something else)
[07:22] <dave> no!, whole ugly story is, d/l vmware installed it all okay
[07:22] <dwidmann> installed all of what? What is the host OS here?
[07:22] <dave> then loaded a guest OS, left things as they appeared
[07:23] <dave> Oooops w2k as guest with 15 Gig space (20gigs total for /usr which is part of root partition
[07:24] <dave> closed down for night 2 days later rebooted and got errors (things froze, no clr login prompt).
[07:25] <dwidmann> It apparantly doesn't like running out of storage space ...
[07:25] <dave> i then went into rescue mode deleted the vmx files form /usr/lib/vmware/...../windows professional/all files found in the directory
[07:26] <dwidmann> 20gig was a very tiny amount of space to give your root partition if you were planning on using it to store virtual machines ... they add up fast.
[07:26] <dwidmann> I'm currently moving 80gig worth of vmware related files to another partition myself ...
[07:26] <dave> found i'd recovered all the 15gigs of space but desktop os now only half the screen
[07:27] <dwidmann> dave: my assumption is that somehow some configuration file somewhere probably got messed up.
[07:27] <dave> well i wasn't actually going to be loading a virtual OS in there, didn't really read the path details (should've tho)
[07:28] <dwidmann> First thing you could try would be creating a new user account, and log in with it ... if it hasn't the problem then that makes the problem really easy to fix.
[07:28] <dave> Yes that is why after deleting the vmx files i did a dpkg-reconfigure of xorg
[07:31] <dwidmann> dave, which is why I'm suggesting it might be a problem with user settings ... simply create a new user account (doable with the adduser command, or via systemsettings (or a number of other things))
[07:31] <dwidmann> try logging in with that new user account and see if the problem exists there also .... oh, and do you have the same problem in a VT (ctrl + alt + f1 will take you to a vt, ctrl + alt + f7 will bring you back to X)
[07:32] <dwidmann> What about kdm, do you only see a half screen when you're at the kdm screen?
[07:32] <ramanuj> when i am opening any movie in mplayer it is giving a mesg
[07:32] <ramanuj> Xlib:  extension "GLX" 	
[07:32] <ramanuj> 	missing on display ":0.0".
[07:32] <ramanuj> what is wrong
[07:33] <ramanuj> or what i should do
[07:34] <dwidmann> ramanuj, sounds like the glx module isn't loaded. There should be a line like 'Load "glx"' in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, is it there?
 under kde i only have 1 screen so with ctrl+alt+F1 does nothing for F2 for that matter.
[07:37] <ramanuj> actually i have nvidia display but it has not detected by ubuntu or kbuntu
[07:37] <_deb_> Hi *
[07:37] <ramanuj> may this is causing the probs
[07:37] <dwidmann> ramanuj, an n vidia card eh? what driver are you using?
[07:37] <dwidmann> dave, so you can't switch? Have you tried?
[07:37] <ramanuj> vesa
[07:37] <ramanuj> i tried
[07:37] <_deb_> is there a seperate channel for kubuntu feisty ?
[07:38] <dwidmann> probably #ubuntu+1
[07:38] <ramanuj> installed nvidia but it is not taking
[07:38] <Jucato> !feisty | _deb_
[07:38] <ubotu> _deb_: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[07:38] <dave> dwidmann switch? as in going to kde->switch 2 option from bottom??
[07:38] <dwidmann> what method did you use to install the nvidia drivers ramanuj?
[07:38] <dwidmann> dave, as in, pressing ctrl + alt + f1 and seeing what it does.
[07:39] <_deb_> thanks.
[07:39] <ramanuj> first i used .run file from nvidia home page
[07:39] <ramanuj> after installing it said that unable to open display
[07:39] <dave> Ctrl+alt+f1 or F2 does nothing (well that was what happened in past)
[07:40] <ramanuj> then i tried with the method given on ubuntu web site
[07:40] <ramanuj> by that also display is not coming
[07:40] <ramanuj> previosly i was using Mandriva 2007 that was taking it fine
[07:41] <dwidmann> ramanuj: the easiest way is to first uninstall the one from the nvidia website with the same file you used to (try to) install it, then run sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx && sudo nvidia-xconfig
[07:42] <ramanuj> ok , i m tryin
[07:42] <djdarkman_> hy ,can someone suggest an alternative to windows program WhereIsIt ,it`s a cd cataloging program ,that scans the cd for files and makes catalogs...?
[07:44] <ramanuj> it is compleated
[07:44] <dwidmann> ramanuj, try restarting X, you'll know if it worked or not then
[07:44] <K`zan> Anyone have problems using any browser to deal with Bank Of America?
[07:45] <dwidmann> djdarkman_: A cataloguing program, what information does it keep track of exactly?
[07:45] <K`zan> BOA doesn't seem to like any browser running under ubuntu - same ones work under gentoo - weird?!??!
 just googled for the program and then added linux to it and it popped up a linux version, any help
[07:46] <dwidmann> K`zan: try playing with the user agent that the browsers are sending then
[07:47] <djdarkman_> linux version of WhereIsIt....strange ,ok I`ll do that too ,thanks dave
 also check out the repositories you have as their might be something there that will fit your needs too
[07:48] <K`zan> dwidmann: Tried all of them - same...
[07:49] <dwidmann> K`zan, I say that, because the only way BOA could tell you'
[07:49] <dwidmann> re using ubuntu would be if it were in the user agent
[07:49] <dwidmann> Maybe gentoo does something with the default user agents for those browsers or some such/
[07:50] <K`zan> dwidmann: Heh, I wish, they are not helpful unless you are running IE, but oddly, both browsers work fine with them under gentoo...
 thanks for your help i'll log off now and give your suggestions a try.
[07:50] <djdarkman_> hmmm I`ll try ,btw there is only a plugin to open rpm files for whereisit ,or something like that ,there is no linux version
[07:51] <dwidmann> djdarkman, what about the cds does it catalog exactly?
[07:52] <djdarkman_> dwidmann: the files that are on the cds
[07:53] <djdarkman_> if you write many cds it is essential to have a catalog like that
[07:55] <djdarkman_> for example if you write at least 200GB of music on cd or dvd ,and you want to know wich cd contains the one that you need ,you cant try all discs
[07:55] <dwidmann> djdarkman, sounds kind of handy
[07:56] <dwidmann> Fortunately, I have 900GB of hdd space, so I just keep it all on the hard disk :D
[07:57] <djdarkman_> yeah but here in my country you cant even dream of having a hdd that big ,so you have to right everything on cd/dvds :)
[07:57] <dwidmann> It's three hard drives, actually
[07:57] <dwidmann> The largest hard drive out there that I know about is the Seagate 750GB
[07:58] <djdarkman_> I have 2 80 GB hdds ,and i always face the problem of running out of free space
[08:00] <dwidmann> I could see that happening ... the two 250gb hdds I have don't cost nearly as much as they used to ... I think they're down to $75 on newegg
[08:01] <chavo> I had 2 250's but one is getting smart errors so I took it out
[08:01] <dwidmann> I've not had any problems with mine :) I'm one of those lucky few who has never had a problem with a hard drive, ever.
[08:02] <dwidmann> Not even that maxtor I had, stroke of luck there, I think.
[08:02] <djdarkman_> problem nr. 2 that I`m a university student that makes my wallet very thin ;)
[08:02] <dwidmann> djdarkman_: It's a proven fact that all students are poor.
[08:02] <djdarkman_> altough i would gladly buy a 500GB hdd ,that would give me a little extra space
[08:03] <dwidmann> djdarkman_: It'd be a lot cheaper to buy two 250's
[08:03] <chavo> I've had a couple of harddrives die on me but luckily I caught them before they completely died
[08:03] <chavo> and got all of the data off
[08:04] <djdarkman_> I have a PC and a notebook ,so I mirror important data
[08:07] <dwidmann> transferring giant vmware files takes forever :(
[08:13] <Ayabara> Hi guys. Is there a repo where I can get a precompiled version of Krusader 1.80b1 for kubuntu?
[08:18] <Jucato> !printing
[08:18] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[08:27] <danny> hello :) does anyone know why the df command does not update what it shows - i just deleted 3 GB of info yet it is still showing the same amount of hdd space b4 i deleted
[08:28] <dwidmann> danny, did you really delete, or just move to trash?
[08:28] <danny> i moved to trash then emptied it
[08:28] <danny> dwidmann: i moved to trash then emptied it
[08:29] <dwidmann> danny: if it's still present, perhaps you can figure out where it is ... filelight is a neat little program for checking such things
[08:30] <danny> dwidmann: ok i heard about filelight a while ago - where do i get it?
[08:30] <dwidmann> "sudo aptitude install filelight" will work danny
[08:31] <danny> dwidmann: ok thanks will dl it now
[08:31] <dwidmann> side note, it's in the universe repository
[08:32] <danny> dwidmann: aight - i have all repositories enabled including those from automatix2
[08:32] <danny> oh
[08:32] <danny> dwidmann: which reminds me - im running automatix2 right now
[08:33] <dwidmann> I've personally never used it ... never had a need to
[08:33] <danny> dwidmann: i guess ill have to wait til its done dling before i can install filelight
[08:33] <Ayabara> is there by chance any krusader developers here?
[08:33] <dwidmann> danny: you figure that will be a while then?
[08:34] <danny> dwidmann: we have connection issues and downloading right now is a pain because of the taiwan earthquake
[08:34] <dwidmann> Ayabara: I wouldn't count on it
[08:34] <dwidmann> danny: there was a quake? I didn't know
[08:35] <Ayabara> dwidmann, I'm currently alone in #krusader, so I had to give it a try :)
[08:35] <danny> dwidmann: yep a week ago - destroyed many tubes down the ocean affecting most of southeast asia region
[08:37] <graniti> Hi. is there a way to have a black full-screen for N seconds? thnks...
[08:38] <dwidmann> graniti, sure there are ways, just a matter of if they're what you have in mind
[08:39] <graniti> dwidmann: tell me one of them:)
[08:39] <walla> could anyone tell where i can find plugins for beryl?
[08:39] <graniti> dwidmann: i wouldn pass through an image... I would like something faster
[08:39] <dwidmann> the easiest one is to turn the screen off ...
[08:39] <chavo> walla, most of them come with it
[08:40] <graniti> dwidmann: I have to do it through a script
[08:40] <dwidmann> ah, always a catch ;)
[08:40] <walla> i'm basically just looking for the beam up effect
[08:40] <chavo> beam up?
[08:41] <jpiccolo> how can i completly remove vmware
[08:41] <dwidmann> graniti, if it's in a terminal, you could do something like "clear && sleep 5s"
[08:41] <chavo> jpiccolo, how did you install it?
[08:41] <walla> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3Ig0NFjxkU
[08:41] <dwidmann> jpiccolo, how about with the uninstall script that came with it (in the case of vmware server)
[08:41] <jpiccolo> i dont remember
[08:41] <graniti> dwidmann: i have to launch the script from the desktop
[08:42] <chavo> walla, you have to get the svn version for that
[08:42] <dwidmann> why does it need to blank the screen graniti?
[08:42] <jpiccolo> dwidmann: were is the uninstall script
[08:42] <walla> ok, thanks
[08:43] <dwidmann> one sec jpiccolo, things are being slow for me right now while I transfer 100 gig or so of files
[08:43] <graniti> dwidmann: it's long to explain.... It must reside into a program. this program launches the script, which keep the screen black for 10 seconds and then it returns to the desktop
[08:43] <chavo> walla, there's some packages for edgy available here http://forum.beryl-project.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=70
[08:43] <dwidmann> ah, here it is jpiccolo, /usr/bin/vmware-uninstall.pl
[08:44] <chavo> but the settings manager is a little messed up in that version. I just updated and built it from svn and it's all good now
[08:44] <jpiccolo> dwidmann: ok nothing there
[08:44] <jpiccolo> and i have removed everything thing that i saw in adept
[08:44] <dwidmann> jpiccolo, try this: sudo updatedb  && locate vmware | grep uninstall.pl
[08:45] <jpiccolo> i think i tried to install the vmware-player before
[08:46] <dwidmann> vmware is *easy* to remove, just aptitude remove vmware-player
[08:46] <dwidmann> **vmware-player is ...
[08:46] <fowlduck> speaking of virtualization, did you guys see this new OSS program? http://www.virtualbox.org/
[08:46] <dwidmann> graniti, I'll see if I can think of anything then
[08:46] <dwidmann> I've heard about it
[08:47] <fowlduck> just saw it on digg today
[08:47] <graniti> dwidmann: thnks
[08:47] <fowlduck> wondered if anyone had tried it
[08:47] <jpiccolo>  <- thats where i have it downloaded to install
[08:47] <dwidmann> heard it doesn't run on x86_64, so I have temporarily lost any interest in reading about it
[08:49] <graniti> il' be back later
[08:49] <dwidmann> wow .... cp and mv can be a real processor hog if you run that at normal priority o.o
[08:49] <jpiccolo> A previous installation of VMware software has been detected. arg
[09:01] <jpiccolo> is nvidia messed up for anyone else?
[09:01] <jpiccolo> nvidia.com
[09:01] <chavo> jpiccolo, works for me
[09:02] <Slackwise> I see no issues either.
[09:02] <jpiccolo> really wtf
[09:02] <jpiccolo> i am seeing the html code not the page
[09:02] <Slackwise> Ctrl+F5?
[09:02] <Slackwise> To refresh your cached copy of it.
[09:02] <notech> heard that from someone else earlier too
[09:02] <jpiccolo> body { background-image: url(/docs/TEMPLATE/487/SubBackground.gif) that kind of crap
[09:03] <Slackwise> Yes, that would be CSS.
[09:03] <jpiccolo> could you guys give me the link for linux drivers so i can wget them
[09:03] <Slackwise> They're available straight from the Ubuntu repositories
[09:03] <Slackwise> No real need to download them manually
[09:03] <chavo> which version?
[09:04] <jpiccolo> latest
[09:04] <chavo> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9746/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9746-pkg1.run
[09:04] <jpiccolo> sweet, doing a kernel upgrade
[09:04] <chavo> that's 32 bit
[09:04] <jpiccolo> and have to reinstall the drivers
[09:04] <jpiccolo> good
[09:12] <danny> test
[09:15] <danny> um why are people being kicked?
[09:19] <dwidmann> :D it looks like that operation went flawlessly
[09:20] <dwidmann> now to wipe that disk and set up the lvm ...
[09:24] <elyon> Could someone please help me track down an error that is causing my system to lock up?  Happens almost every time a user logs off (black screen, only a frozen mouse cursor visible... Ctrl-Alt-F1, etc does not work).
[09:24] <elyon> I'm running Ubuntu Edgy with KDE and Gnome.
[09:24] <dwidmann> elyon: what video drivers are you using?
[09:25] <elyon> dwidmann: I have a Radeon 9600 with the fglrx driver.
[09:25] <dwidmann> Well, we certainly did track down that problem fast, now didn't we :O
[09:26] <elyon> hey now lol
[09:26] <elyon> I know ATI's aren't good for Linux, but I know many people have gotten it to work just fine
[09:26] <dwidmann> the fglrx driver is full of problems, you just listed two of them
[09:27] <elyon> dwidmann: I was under the impression (from the official Ubuntu documentation and wiki), that fglrx is more stable than the ati drivers.
[09:27] <dwidmann> I never did get around to looking into the fix for it ... I gave my computer with an ati card to my brother and lost interest when I built this one
[09:27] <Dell-Net> hi
[09:28] <dwidmann> elyon: I found the ati drivers pretty stable, but lacking in performance. The fgrlx drivers I found were the other way around
[09:28] <Dell-Net> i have a problem when the screensaver starts the kdm restarts
[09:28] <elyon> hmm... the ati drivers couldn't support 3D acceleration at all.
[09:28] <dwidmann> and that was with a pretty close video card as well elyon, a 9700
[09:29] <Ayabara> anyone know if there is a precompiled package of krusader 1.80b1 floating around?
[09:29] <Dell-Net> when i trying to change the screen saver "settings desktop" -> kdm restarts
[09:29] <Dell-Net> it have worked beore
[09:30] <Dell-Net> before*
[09:30] <dwidmann> Dell-Net, could be some sort of issue with your video card drivers ... tends to be when X restarts because you try to use OpenGL or something else'
[09:30] <Dell-Net> hmm yes but it have worked for me
[09:30] <Dell-Net> without any  problem
[09:30] <elyon> OKay, how about another problem?  In KDE, when I try to Add New Panel, the Kpanel app crashes... every time.
[09:31] <dwidmann> elyon: that's odd ... I'll try it .... hmm, couldn't reproduce it
[09:31] <elyon> dwidmann: Okay, let me change that.  Its only when I try to add the "Universal Sidebar"
[09:32] <dwidmann> Can't reproduce that either, it shows up fine for me
[09:33] <elyon> Any idea how I can track it down?
[09:34] <dwidmann> Hmm, not sure
[09:34] <Dell-Net> dwidmann do u have any solution ?
[09:34] <dwidmann> Dell-Net, which video driver are you using?
[09:34] <Dell-Net> nvidia
[09:35] <dwidmann> version?
[09:35] <Dell-Net> 1.0-9629
[09:35] <dwidmann> hmmm, I've not had any trouble with that either
[09:35] <Dell-Net> maybee it helps to reinstall it
[09:36] <dwidmann> though, it might still be worth it to update to the 1.9-9631 drivers
[09:36] <dwidmann> *1.0
[09:36] <Dell-Net> hmm ok i gonna give it a try
[09:36] <dwidmann> envy is a neat little tool if you haven't tried it, Dell-Net
[09:36] <Dell-Net> strange when i dont had any problem with it before
[09:36] <Dell-Net> envy?
[09:39] <Dell-Net> ok give that a try 2 :)
[09:41] <dwidmann> !envy | Dell-Net
[09:41] <ubotu> Dell-Net: envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia drivers. Please see http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html . Developers may be interested in https://launchpad.net/products/envy
[09:42] <d0dge> How to get DirectX9 for Wine?
[09:42] <d0dge> I've been trying the WineCVS.sh but all I got is error on Make
[09:43] <d0dge> Any howtos or manuals ?
[09:43] <usamahashimi> hello everyone!
[09:44] <usamahashimi> what should I install or configure my kde so that when I hover my mouse to any audio file, kde can preview it (without clicking it, like gnome can do)?
[09:44] <dwidmann> usamahashimi: view -> preview -> sound files
[09:45] <dwidmann> d0dge, might have more luck in #wine
[09:45] <d0dge> dwidmann: Oh, you're right
[09:45] <usamahashimi> dwidmann: it is already selected
[09:46] <dwidmann> usamahashimi: that should be it, if it's still not working, try restarting konqui
[09:46] <usamahashimi> it is selected since the first day of installation, still i have to restart konq?
[09:47] <dwidmann> Not sure
[09:47] <dwidmann> also, is it a file you can actually play back?
[09:48] <usamahashimi> dwidmann: sorry?
[09:48] <dwidmann> can you play back the file normally in something else (amarok, kaffeine, etc) ... just checking because as we all know, mp3's can't be played back by default, and they happen to be rather popular so I thought I'd ask
[09:49] <usamahashimi> dwidmann: yes, i have installed restricted formats and can play ALL types of formats :)
[09:50] <dwidmann> hmm
[09:51] <usamahashimi> dwidmann: i tried to google but dont know what phrase i should i put in search box, google was misleading me, it was thinking that i want to buy a mouse :)
[09:52] <dwidmann> hahahaha, how silly of google
[09:52] <JOSF> How do I revert to the last installed version of a package ? Installed some libcairo update and gkrellm crashes on it. So I want the last libcairo back again.
[09:52] <usamahashimi> dwidmann: after all google is not human :)
[09:53] <dwidmann> that's right, google is a god, and google decided you wanted to buy a mouse today (kidding)
[09:53] <usamahashimi> dwidmann: so can you tell me any solution of that problem?
[09:54] <dwidmann> do you want the good news or the bad from my little test?
[09:54] <usamahashimi> both :)
[09:55] <dwidmann> the good news is that preview worked great for me on ogg and wav files
[09:55] <dwidmann> are you sure you still want the bad?
[09:55] <usamahashimi> that it did not worked for mp3 and other files?
[09:56] <dwidmann> and that is correct, show him what he has won!
[09:56] <dwidmann> i'm not sure why, I'll have to consult the mighty google for information ;)
[09:56] <usamahashimi> i won my lunch, cuse i am going for lunch :)
[09:56] <usamahashimi> thanks by the way
[09:57] <Dell-Net> yeap I installed envy and then the newest driver and now it works again thank you very much :)
[09:57] <dwidmann> Dell-Net, good to hear it
[09:57] <Dell-Net> :)
[10:00] <dwidmann> I had to redo my drivers an hour or so ago, seems there was an xorg update this week
[10:01] <Dell-Net> yeah?
[10:03] <dwidmann> yeah ... it took me a few minutes of playing to figure out why X crashed after being up for about 10 seconds
[10:03] <dwidmann> (every time)
[10:04] <Dell-Net> hmm ok seems to have been i update then
[10:04] <Dell-Net> when i locked my computer it crashed
[10:07] <swe> newbie I will move some files from kubuntu machine A to B and I think about using shared folder. Do i need to install samba or what ??
[10:08] <dwidmann> swe: you could use nfs
[10:08] <dwidmann> of course, sama would also work
[10:09] <dwidmann> *samba
[10:09] <swe> yes but what is easiest ... I found this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo?highlight=%28nfs%29
[10:11] <kkosmo> !samba
[10:11] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[10:11] <crazy_bus> ktorrent loads from a new user
[10:12] <ArtOfBlue> excuse, anyone know hot to make my iroffer work on ubuntu ?
[10:12] <danny> hello does anyone know how to put some programs on a DVD so that i dont have to download them from the repositories?
[10:12] <kkosmo> what you want to do danny i dont understand
[10:12] <kkosmo> you want
[10:13] <kkosmo> to see dvd
[10:13] <kkosmo> or to make
[10:13] <jpiccolo> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[10:13] <kkosmo> ?
[10:13] <jpiccolo> kernel?
[10:13] <kkosmo> locate stdio.h
[10:13] <kkosmo> try
[10:14] <danny> kkosmo: for example i want to use the program atanks, but i am not connected to the internet - how do i put it on a dvd so that i could install it from there?
[10:15] <kkosmo> oo man i dont know about that sorry are you want to burn it on dvd
[10:15] <danny> kkosmo: yes exactly - i want to burn it on a dvd so i dont have to download it again and again everytime i reinstall kubuntu
[10:16] <kkosmo> so burn it what the problem
[10:16] <ArtOfBlue> Anyone here that can help me set up iroffer ? I would really appreciate the help
[10:17] <danny> kkosmo: i install using apt-get install - do you mean to say that i should just burn the files?
[10:17] <kkosmo> no when you install in apt the install file is saved
[10:17] <kkosmo> burn the install file
[10:19] <danny> kksmo: ok thanks i will see if i can locate the files that i need
[10:19] <kkosmo> here
[10:20] <kkosmo> here /var/cache/apt/archives/
[10:20] <kkosmo> ok
[10:22] <danny> kkosmo: ok thanks :) :)
[10:22] <kkosmo> no problem
[10:22] <kkosmo> =[
[10:22] <kkosmo> =] 
[10:31] <jpiccolo> anyone have vmware server running?
[10:33] <startswithz> how do I enable/disable desktop icons in KDE?
[10:33] <mineur[sleep] > startswithz: rightclick on it... configure and then behaviour
[10:34] <mineur[sleep] > ok I'm awakez now :p
[10:35] <startswithz> thanks
[10:35] <mineur> np
[10:35] <jpiccolo> mineur: you ever get vmware-server up?
[10:36] <mineur> no, sorry
[10:36] <jpiccolo> ok
[10:36] <jpiccolo> i think it has a bug in it
[10:38] <startswithz> I'm trying to set up beryl but the window borders aren't showing up
[10:38] <startswithz> anyone have any ideas how to fix the problem?
[10:39] <mineur> is beryl set as the window manager?
[10:49] <bertolino> Goede morgen!!
[10:49] <mineur> hallo
[10:50] <bertolino> dit is mijn eerste irc ervaring...
[10:50] <kkosmo> !beryl
[10:50] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[10:51] <bertolino> spreekt er iemand nederlands?
[10:51] <mineur> ja
[10:52] <bertolino> oh dat is wel plezant..
[10:53] <mineur> waar kom je vandaan?
[10:54] <bertolino> Ik kom uit Belgi dicht bij de nederlandse grens
[10:54] <mineur> ahzo
[10:54] <stdin> !de
[10:54] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:54] <mineur> stdin: wrong :p
[10:54] <mineur> !be
[10:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about be - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:55] <mineur> !nl
[10:55] <ubotu> Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu (en vers gezette koffie) is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl
[10:55] <stdin> why I did de
[10:55] <mineur> :p
[10:55] <mineur> not the same language :)
[10:55] <stdin> I just thought it looked similar, I'm not an expert :P
[10:56] <bertolino> ok, nog een fijne dag! ik moet nog wat werken!
[10:56] <mineur> hehe
[10:56] <mineur> have fun bertolino :)
[10:56] <kkosmo> stdin:
[10:56] <kkosmo> how can i make shortcut that do some command?
[10:56] <apokryphos> English only in here guys
[10:57] <stdin> kkosmo: depends what command you want to do?
[10:57] <kkosmo> its dont change i only want to make the shortcut
[10:57] <jpiccolo> i am running feisty how can i go back to edgy
[10:58] <mineur> fresh install :)
[10:58] <apokryphos> !downgrade
[10:58] <ubotu> Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system.
[10:58] <kkosmo> !shortcut
[10:58] <ubotu> Keyboard shortcuts can be set in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts (Gnome) or "Input Actions" in KControl (KDE). If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try keytouch - http://keytouch.sourceforge.net
[10:58] <stdin> kkosmo: do you want a shortcut to an application?
[10:59] <jpiccolo> mineur, well how can i go to a older kernel
[10:59] <kkosmo> to close
[10:59] <kkosmo> application
[10:59] <kkosmo> somthing like
[10:59] <kkosmo> pkill amarok
[10:59] <kkosmo> this the command
[11:00] <kkosmo> stdin
[11:00] <kkosmo> you know how to do taht
[11:00] <andreasw> stdin: tell me why they changed the password dialog in kde so it displayes solid dots
[11:00] <kkosmo> that
[11:00] <andreasw> stdin: usability seems to me no reason
[11:00] <fuel> hi i installed all the development packages for kde..........however kdehome and kdeprefix are not set
[11:00] <fuel> any ideas how to rectify it ?
[11:01] <stdin> kkosmo: you have a couple choices, you can either make a "link to application" on the desktop with that as the command, or you can make a script with that line in it, then just double click it
[11:02] <kkosmo> ok
[11:02] <stdin> andreasw: I have no clue, ask in #kubuntu-devel (or for feisty #ubuntu+ )
[11:03] <Tumppi-`> umm I'm having a slight problem with my audio card
[11:03] <Tumppi-`> when I reboot my computer, I can either hear music payed by amarok, or sounds coming from embedded internet videos, but not both :/
[11:03] <Tumppi-`> any idea what could be the problem?
[11:04] <andreasw> stdin: I will do so
[11:04] <norm_> i'm sorry tumppi i don't ... maybe someone else in the room can help ya
[11:05] <Tumppi-`> I have two soundcards, integrated soundmax and a soundblaster live 24-bit
[11:05] <Tumppi-`> can kubuntu handle both well
[11:05] <Tumppi-`> ?*
[11:05] <norm_> perhaps, one is handling one, and the other the other
[11:06] <norm_> i know my subwoofer has two imputs, i would try putting an audio out cable out of both cards and see if you can hear both
[11:06] <norm_> or, if your subwoofer or speakers do not, then
[11:06] <norm_> i would try to see, if you can hear one out of one, and the other out of the other
[11:07] <norm_> but that's a noob's suggestion
[11:07] <norm_> the other alternative is to remove the soundblaster or disable the onboard sound from the bios
[11:07] <Tumppi-`> actually I should've started by doing just that =)
[11:07] <norm_> just to eliminate that possibility
[11:07] <Tumppi-`> brb
[11:08] <Tumppi-`> its just that I usually use headphones on the intergrated one, and 5.1 speaker son the soundblaster
[11:08] <Tumppi-`> All I would do in windows is change the output
[11:08] <norm_> well the alternative to THAT is to find a mixing board
[11:09] <norm_> and mix the sounds
[11:09] <norm_> but that's a large cost involved, mixing boards are not really that cheap
[11:09] <norm_> especially one that will segregate the sound
[11:10] <d0dge> Ok I really need help right now :D, I '/etc/init.d/kdm stop', then installed nvidia drivers and rebooted, kdm is still running but I can't get to KDE anymore.
[11:10] <d0dge> It's like no X server running. But it says it's running.
[11:11] <norm_> have you tried startx?
[11:11] <Tumppi-`> well its seems that nothing is currently playing the internet video-sounds, since soundblaster outputs nothing, and soundmax plays amarok music
[11:11] <d0dge> norm_: I'll try that now, thanks
[11:11] <norm_> hmmmm
[11:12] <Tumppi-`> should I just try removing the soundmax from the bios then? is it easy? I dont remember seeing that option in my bios :/
[11:12] <d0dge> norm_: It gives me fatal server error.
[11:12] <norm_> well depending on the motherboard you use, it usually is
[11:12] <d0dge> Can I use backup settings somehow?
[11:12] <norm_> i'm trying to remember the command to start kde
[11:13] <norm_> it will usually say "onboard sound"  tumppi
[11:13] <norm_> then you just disable it, and then reboot
[11:13] <norm_> like i said, it's usually pretty simple
[11:13] <norm_> as far as dodge, i'm not sure how to fix your issue
[11:13] <d0dge> How can I use backup conf file? I found them at /etc/X11/
[11:13] <stdin> d0dge: you can use the backup, or create a new one, but you may want to copy /var/log/Xorg.0.log so you can examine it later
[11:14] <norm_> thank you stdin, i wasn't sure i could even come close to fielding that one
[11:14] <Tumppi-`> cp /etc/X11/"backup conf" /etc/X11/xorg.conf would it  be like that?
[11:14] <d0dge> stdin: Ok but how to use them?
[11:14] <stdin> heh, I've had experience with X errors before :P
[11:15] <norm_> lol so have i, cept i just reinstall lol
[11:15] <norm_> <--- lazy
[11:15] <stdin> d0dge: ok, so 1st you want to copy the log, so you can view it later "cp /var/log/Xorg.0.log ~/Xorg.0.log
[11:16] <Tumppi-`> I too had x-errors after installing the nvidia drivers, just couple of days ago
[11:16] <d0dge> ok I copied
[11:17] <stdin> d0dge: then you want to restore the xorg.conf file, if you have a backup you can just do "cd /etc/X11/" then "mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.broken" then "mv xorg.conf.(backup_file) xorg.conf"
[11:17] <gabrieldain> Hi, I got myself into a very stupid problem. I messes up CUPS' configuration, an now it won't run, and I can't reinstall (missing, obsolete or only available from another source). Is there a way to go back to the default setting without going through the wizard (because it won't even start up).
[11:17] <stdin> d0dge: then restart KDM, and you should be able to login again
[11:18] <Jucato> gabrieldain: you tried localhost:631?
[11:18] <gabrieldain> Jucato, one sec
[11:18] <gabrieldain> Jucato, unable to connect, cups is down
[11:19] <Jucato> is cupsd running
[11:19] <Jucato> ?
[11:19] <Jucato> sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys start
[11:20] <gabrieldain> Jucato, apparently starting
[11:20] <gabrieldain> Jucato, looks stalled
[11:20] <gabrieldain> Jucato, oh, it wasn't
[11:21] <gabrieldain> Jucato, ok, I can't configure from the System Settings window, but I can enter localhost:631. Any way of reversing my errors without having to do it one-by-one?
[11:21] <Jucato> that I wouldn't know... :(
[11:22] <Jucato> basically, the KDEPrint module in System Settings is a KDE frontend to the cups web interface in localhost:631
[11:22] <norm_> how'd it go tumppi?
[11:23] <norm_> i really need to get a copy of Kubuntu
[11:23] <norm_> i don't even run it
[11:23] <Tumppi-`> lets see, I disabled some "Onboard AC97 Audio DEVICE" =P
[11:24] <danny> kkosmo: hello , i put you in my blog is it ok?
[11:24] <kkosmo> ok
[11:24] <Tumppi-`> um now that I've possibly disabled the soundmax soundcard, would I have to enable the soundblaster somehow?
[11:24] <danny> :) its at http://jolly-penguin.blogspot.com/
[11:25] <norm_> that's the soundmax tumppi
[11:25] <norm_> you did well
[11:25] <kkosmo> ok =[
[11:25] <kkosmo> =] 
[11:25] <norm_> soundmax is TECHNICALLY an AC97 soundcard
[11:26] <Tumppi-`> Ill see if I can hear anything via the soundblaster now
[11:27] <Tumppi-`> so far so good, at least amarok plays through soundblaster already
[11:28] <Tumppi-`> everything seems to work now =)
[11:28] <Tumppi-`> internetvideos also play through soundblaster
[11:28] <norm_> good deal :D
[11:28] <Tumppi-`> thanks for the help, norm_ =)
[11:28] <norm_> anytime dude
[11:28] <norm_> glad it's fixed man
[11:29] <d0dge> stdin: Thanks for help!
[11:30] <stdin> d0dge: no problem, when you look at the log file, you want to look at lines starting with "(EE)" those are errors :)
[11:30] <d0dge> Alright
[11:33] <d0dge> stdin: Btw, does 'app-defaults' in etc/X11 mean the default settings?
[11:34] <stdin> d0dge: yeah, they are some defaults for some X apps, like xterm
[11:39] <waylandbill> is there a way on the CLI to query the files a package installs?
[11:40] <stdin> apt-file does that
[11:40] <stdin> apt-file show package
[11:40] <Jucato> apt-file isn't installed by default
[11:40] <stdin> (you need to install it)
[11:40] <Jucato> but "dpkg -c <.deb>" works too
[11:41] <ubuntu> can some one discuss/ help  "
[11:41] <ubuntu> Sound server fatal error:
[11:41] <ubuntu> cpu overload, aborting
[11:41] <Jucato> waylandbill: little Kubuntu/Konqueror trick.. use apt:/
[11:41] <stdin> it's not CLI tho
[11:41] <waylandbill> yeah.. in Konq... I know about that. :-D
[11:41] <Pensacola> katapult stopped being a calculator :s
[11:42] <Jucato> Pensacola: Alt+Space, Ctrl+C, Configure Katapult, Catalogs
[11:42] <Pensacola> ok thx
[11:42] <Pensacola> that fixed it
[11:43] <Pensacola> you guys rock
[11:43] <dannybuntu> Hello jucato
[11:43] <Jucato> hello dannybuntu
[11:44] <dave> anyone here use ffmpeg to do avi -> dvd conversions? need help
[11:44] <dannybuntu> :) which command do you do to make the fonts red?
[11:45] <Jucato> dannybuntu: it's automatic, when somebody mentions your nick in the  text
[11:45] <Jucato> only you will be able to see it
[11:45] <stdin> dannybuntu: red
[11:45] <stdin> not red :P
[11:45] <dannybuntu> :)
[11:45] <Vluid> hello. does anyone know how to change the query language in kdict? i want to use german.
[11:47] <dave> anyone help in converting an AVI to DVD format??
[11:49] <Vluid> dave: tovid or qdvdauthor. second is quite buggy, but when it works its great.
 do they decode AVI files and is tovid in dapper repositories?
[11:51] <banjo> goodmorning all
[11:51] <stdin> !info tovid dapper
[11:51] <ubotu> Package tovid does not exist in dapper
[11:51] <banjo> need some help with psp
 Yes just had a check Grrr any other ideas?
[11:52] <dannybuntu> !info filelight dapper
[11:52] <ubotu> filelight: show where your diskspace is being used. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99beta6-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 317 kB, installed size 856 kB
[11:52] <dannybuntu> cool
[11:52] <Vluid> dave: tovid isnt actually a "program", it is a script. you can easily install it from their page http://tovid.berlios.de/en/
 do u mean p2p?
 Oh so what's do??
[11:53] <stdin> dave: there is also kmediafactory
[11:53] <stdin> !info kmediafactory dapper
[11:53] <ubotu> kmediafactory: template based DVD authoring tool for KDE.. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.5.1-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 2330 kB, installed size 5944 kB
 just going there now :)
[11:54] <Vluid> dave: but i would use qdvdauthor. you can make more sophisticated menus with it
[11:55] <stdin> there is also devede
[11:55] <stdin> !devede
[11:55] <ubotu> devede: Video DVD creator. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 243 kB, installed size 664 kB
[11:56] <stdin> pick and choose what works for you :)
[11:57] <JOSF> I have problems with an update of libcairo2. How do I recert to my last installed version ?
 I'm after a "simple" convert AVI file to dvd compatible format then burn with K3b, not really after menus etc
[12:01] <bartist> g'day mates
[12:01] <Vluid> dave: qdvdauthor, devede, tovid, ... ...
[12:01] <Vluid> dave: install and try them
[12:01] <bartist> what is the comand to check what is my kernel version
[12:01] <bartist> ?
[12:02] <Vluid> but again does anyone know how to chnge the query language in kdict to german.
[12:02] <chavo> bartist, uname -r
[12:03] <bartist> chavo it says 2.6.17-10-generic
[12:03] <bartist> i want to know if its 386 or 686
[12:03] <dave> do these use ffmpeg or memcode? got ffmpeg but it doesn't know about AVI files and i don't know why!!!
[12:03] <Vluid> chavo: uname -a
[12:04] <stdin> !generic | bartist
[12:04] <Vluid> dave: ?
[12:04] <ubotu> bartist: Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[12:04] <chavo> -a is all, -r is kernel version
[12:05] <bartist> Linux bartist-laptop 2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP Tue Dec 5 22:28:26 UTC 2006 i686
[12:06] <bartist> i installed 686
[12:06] <bartist> how can it be it also mention smp?
[12:06] <ForgeAus> hey all :)
[12:06] <chavo> i think all kernels do smp now
[12:06] <stdin> bartist: the -generic kernel is for all, and it also has smp built in
[12:07] <bartist> ok i am rending the article from the bot stdin
[12:07] <Vluid> bartist: generic!
[12:07] <bartist> i am reading sorry..
[12:10] <Vluid> bartist: np
[12:10] <startswithz> I can't get kde to install the codecs necessary to allow me to watch AVI movies
[12:10] <bartist> well guys the last days i've been bothering you about my sound problems
[12:10] <Jucato> !libxine-extracodecs | startswithz
[12:10] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.2-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1118 kB, installed size 2676 kB
[12:11] <ForgeAus> jucato which actual codecs are they?
[12:11] <bartist> i've discovered that my Intel AC97 sound card with realtek chipset is not supported by edgy
[12:11] <ForgeAus> avi what else?
[12:11] <startswithz> well I can see the libxine codecs in adept installer but they are no selectable
[12:11] <bartist> however it worked with dapper
[12:11] <bartist> so I am going to install dapper
[12:11] <Jucato> startswithz: you need to enable multiverse
[12:12] <Jucato> !multiverse | startswithz
[12:12] <ubotu> startswithz: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[12:12] <Jucato> ForgeAus: sudo apt-cache show libxine-extracodecs: "This packages just contains the following plugins for xine:* xineplug_decode_faad.so * xineplug_decode_ff.so * xineplug_decode_mad.so
[12:12] <bartist> !universe | bartist
[12:12] <ubotu> bartist: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[12:12] <startswithz> alright cool
[12:12] <startswithz> thanks guys I just really needed that link
[12:14] <Alarm> what is getty ?
[12:14] <JOSF> I have problems with an update of libcairo2. How do I recert to my last installed version ?
[12:15] <stdin> Alarm: it's what allows you to login to a console
[12:15] <Alarm> okie . thanks
[12:16] <Jucato> JOSF: first, "apt-cache policy libcairo2" to list the available versions. take note of the version number (Edgy's default is 1.2.4-1ubuntu2). then try "sudo apt-get install libcairo=1.2.4-1ubuntu2"
[12:16] <JOSF> Jucato: Thanks a lot!
[12:16] <translation>  Can some one help regarding sound server?
[12:16] <Alarm>  does aio/1 and aio/2 have to do with sound ?
 i've found that there are 2 type of underlaying programs that do the decoding/encoding they are ffmpeg and mencode to see what i mean
[12:21] <Alarm> i got a problem with kde. when i close the application , the sound still continues to plays and when i open the application again no picture is displayed. and dont manage to turn of the sound again
[12:22] <JOSF> Jucato: http://rafb.net/p/lwylFX76.html
[12:22] <Alarm> what proccess could i try to kill ?
[12:23] <Jucato> heh this should be a lesson to you to be very careful in adding non-standard repositories...
[12:24] <Jucato> JOSF: the last one in the list is Ubuntu's
[12:24] <JOSF> Yes, but it says it can't find it
[12:24] <JOSF> E: Version 1.2.4-1ubuntu2 for libcairo could not be found.
[12:25] <startswithz> wht can't I get the xine extra plug ins?
[12:25] <stdin> JOSF: "1.2.4-1ubuntu2 0" not "1.2.4-1ubuntu2"
[12:25] <JOSF> oh, ok
[12:25] <startswithz> the icon is not selectable in adept installer
[12:25] <stdin> opps, no I was wrong actually
[12:26] <stdin> JOSF: you could download the deb and install manually
[12:26] <JOSF> stdin: will try, since this: sudo apt-get install "libcairo=1.2.4-1ubuntu2 0" gives an "not found" error as well
[12:28] <Jucato> JOSF: don't include the last 0
[12:28] <stdin> JOSF: are you sure it's "libcairo" not "libcairo2" ?
[12:29] <Jucato> er.. my bad.. the command was wrong :P
[12:29] <Jucato> libcairo2...
[12:29] <Jucato> hehe
[12:30] <JOSF> I used yours Jucato. There was an error: It is sudo apt-get install libcairo2=1.2.4-1ubuntu2 and not sudo apt-get install libcairo=1.2.4-1ubuntu2 ;-)
[12:30] <Jucato> yeah. my bad...
[12:30] <JOSF> oh, yes, ok, anyway, it worked :-)
[12:33] <Valmarko> ...
[12:36] <dopez> hello
[12:37] <dopez> since i've build in a second disc with 2 partitions, only the second partition appears on the desktop as an icon, how do i remove it and why is only the second icon visible ?
[12:37] <Valmarko> hello
[12:37] <dopez> (it's not just in the Desktop directory)
[12:43] <Valmarko> !ext3
[12:43] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[12:44] <Valmarko> valmarko
[12:47] <dvayanu> hi
[12:48] <dvayanu> can someone give a helpful hint how to run flash on a x86_64?
[12:48] <dvayanu> within a 64 bit firefox
[12:49] <stdin> maybe with gnash, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash <<-- Look at the AMD64 section
[12:50] <dvayanu> thx
[12:51] <Ayabara> how can I turn off the system beep in kubuntu without deactivating the internal speaker?
[12:51] <ubuntu> witam wszyskich
[12:51] <stdin> !pl
[12:51] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[12:52] <ubuntu> dzieki
[01:03] <lotusleaf> do the kubuntu.org repos have a specific changelog location (url?)?
[01:04] <Jucato> !changelogs
[01:04] <ubotu> changelogs for Ubuntu packages can be found on http://changelogs.ubuntu.com
[01:04] <[StingRay] > Hi, stdin :)
[01:05] <lotusleaf> Jucato: right, thanks, but sometimes there are updated packages @ kubuntu.org repo which aren't @ ubuntu repo
[01:05] <lotusleaf> I'll check though and see, thanks ;)
[01:05] <stdin> hay [StingRay]  :)
[01:05] <Jucato> lotusleaf: ah... you have to ask Riddell about that...
[01:05] <lotusleaf> Jucato: gotcha, thx ;)
[01:07] <[StingRay] > stdin, I made apt-get update and I haven't had any crash problems with wine and tightvnc all day :)
[01:08] <stdin> [StingRay] : cool, lets just hope it stays like that :)
[01:09] <[StingRay] > The stupid part with xmodmap remains however. If i use xmodmap .../xmodmap/xmodmap.us on :0 all is fine (I have the correspongin characters on all keystrokes), however if I do it on a tighvnc session every symbol is 3 positions on the left?
[01:09] <[StingRay] > I have to remake the xmodmap.us and xmodmap.bg by hand,stdin...
[01:10] <stdin> ouch :P
[01:11] <Riddell> lotusleaf: they don't
[01:11] <lotusleaf> Riddell: darn, thx =)
[01:11] <[StingRay] > stdin, very strange...however I am happy that this can be fixed somehow :)
[01:11] <stdin> yeah, me too :)
[01:12] <Ash-Fox> Where does one configure the default value of /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_time on bootup?
[01:13] <meduxa>  <meduxa> hi all: take a look at the apps included in meduxa (although it is a document in spanish you the names of those apps are the original ones)
[01:13] <meduxa> [12:12]  <meduxa> http://www.grupocpd.com/archivos_documentos/info_meduxa/meduxa_project_released/PloneArticle_view
[01:14] <meduxa> they are on two .pdf attachment
[01:14] <stdin> Ash-Fox: maybe add something like this to /etc/rc.local "echo [value]  > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_time"
[01:15] <Ash-Fox> stdin, there was a configuration file in the past todo set this specific option in /etc, but I can't remember what it was.
[01:15] <Riddell> meduxa: can I add that to Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter?
[01:16] <Ash-Fox> I'd rather use the 'proper' method
[01:16] <meduxa> yes
[01:16] <meduxa> do you want me to do something?
[01:16] <mika__> hey i have a question about KDE teme installation can anyone help me?
[01:17] <mika__> theme
[01:17] <meduxa> maybe give you the list in english would be better right?
[01:18] <stdin> Ash-Fox: it might be /etc/sysctl.conf
[01:18] <stdin> !theme
[01:18] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[01:18] <Ash-Fox> stdin, ah, thankyou! That's the config :P
[01:18] <stdin> !changethemes
[01:18] <ubotu> [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes (gnome) or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[01:18] <mika__> its cool i know where to get them but i dont know how to install them, i have looked at a couple of forums and followed their advice but its still not working for me
[01:18] <stdin> Ash-Fox: heh, I couldn't remember either, had to look around /etc :P
[01:19] <stdin> mika__: look at the 2nd line from ubotu
[01:19] <mika__> yeah i am gonna check that out
[01:19] <Ash-Fox> stdin, yeah, I had been looking in /etc and for some reason it just didn't stand out :P
[01:20] <Ash-Fox> Anyway.. net.ipv4.tcp_keepalive_time was the value if I recall from memory
[01:20] <Jucato> mika__: check out that last link (CustomizeKubuntu)
[01:20] <meduxa> Riddell: do you want the list in english?
[01:21] <mika__> its come up with that the page dosent exist yet :(
[01:22] <Riddell> meduxa: I don't think it's too important, the app names are the same :)
[01:22] <meduxa> ok
[01:23] <Jucato> mika__: let me check
[01:23] <Jucato> mika__: it exists. are you sure you got it right? (just click on it) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[01:23] <stdin> ahh, it's the "." at the end of the link
[01:23] <Jucato> bah silly irc clients :P
[01:24] <Alarm> the acrobat reader packages , is acrobat , or acroread ?
[01:24] <mika__> curses!!  thanks
[01:25] <Jucato> !changethemes
[01:25] <ubotu> [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[01:25] <Jucato> that's better...
[01:25] <Jucato> Alarm: KPDF :D
[01:25] <Alarm> !acrobat
[01:25] <Jucato> j/k... it's acroread, afaik
[01:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about acrobat - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:25] <Jucato> !acroread
[01:25] <ubotu> acroread: Adobe Acrobat Reader: Portable Document Format file viewer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 7.0.8-0.0.ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 22368 kB, installed size 54692 kB (Only available for i386)
[01:25] <Alarm> Jucato,  it doesnt work fine with some pdfs , thats the one i got. thats why i want to install acrobat reader
[01:26] <Alarm> so , acroreader is the package
[01:26] <Alarm> thanks
[01:26] <Jucato> acroread, not acroreader
[01:26] <Alarm> yes acroread :)
[01:26] <Alarm> and acrobat thats what ?
[01:26] <ForgeAus> grr acrobat :(
[01:26] <ForgeAus> bloatware from adobe
[01:27] <Alarm> okie dokie. thanks
[01:27] <ForgeAus> is there a better alternative? does something like evince do the same job?
[01:28] <Jucato> what kind of PDF can't KPDF read?
[01:28] <ForgeAus> kpdf? do I have that?
[01:28] <ForgeAus> (ie is installed in Kubuntu by default?)
[01:29] <stdin> don't think it's default, no
[01:29] <ForgeAus> hehe sounds like it should be added tho :) I like the idea of a kpdf or k ps/eps/pdf multiformat viewer
[01:29] <Jucato> it is installed by default
[01:29] <Jucato> K Menu -> Graphics
[01:30] <stdin> ok, so it is then :P
[01:30] <Jucato> of course, it is :)
[01:30] <ForgeAus> yup kewl :)
[01:30] <Jucato> just not in the place you expect it to be :P
[01:31] <stdin> wouldn't it be better placed in Utilities ?
[01:31] <ForgeAus> ahh kpdf does ps as well!
[01:31] <ForgeAus> awesome
[01:31] <ForgeAus> ie no need for adobe at all that I can see
[01:32] <Jucato> ForgeAus: yes it does. or if you want a standalone PS reader, there's KGhostView
[01:32] <ForgeAus> jucato is there any advantage to that over kpdf?
[01:32] <ForgeAus> (mostly thinking of printing I guess)
[01:33] <Jucato> ForgeAus: I encountered one (just one) PDF that would make kpdf crash, but opened properly in kghostview...
[01:33] <Jucato> that's the only advantage I could see
[01:33] <ForgeAus> is kile in any way related to these kinda formats?
[01:34] <Jucato> kile is for latex afaik
[01:34] <ForgeAus> yeah latex (ie TeX) but isn't dvi/ps/eps/pdf somehow related to TeX/bibtex etc?
[01:35] <Jucato> not really sure
[01:35] <ForgeAus> first of all Tex is typesetting for things like non-standard characters, equations, etc? right?...
[01:36] <Jucato> I'm not into kinky stuff :P
[01:36] <ForgeAus> rofl well I"m new to it so I was just trying to get an overall picture...
[01:36] <ForgeAus> oh well
[01:36] <ForgeAus> thanx aynway
[01:37] <d0dge> Can't get my KDE running anymore >.<
[01:37] <d0dge> after installing Nvidia drivers
[01:38] <ForgeAus> I thought Nvidia were better for linux than ATI (like mine)
[01:40] <tn-> stdin ?
[01:41] <d0dge> ForgeAus: Hmm, how can I enable KDE?
[01:41] <ForgeAus> enable?... um can you get into another desktop like gnome?
[01:41] <d0dge> ForgeAus: I've tried /etc/init.d/kdm start / reload / restart
[01:41] <ForgeAus> and download kubuntu desktop or kde-core
[01:41] <stdin> tn-: yes?
[01:41] <ForgeAus> ???
[01:42] <Jucato> d0dge: how did you install the nvidia driver?
[01:42] <d0dge> Jucato: Stopped X server and installed
[01:42] <ForgeAus> if oyu can get to a terminal screen/prompt you can probably: sudo dpkg install <insert either of the two packages kde-core or kubuntu-desktop here> ... I think that would work
[01:42] <tn-> stdin: to you remember my problems about intel-hda sound driver ?
[01:42] <Jucato> d0dge: nvidia-glx?
[01:43] <tn-> I have new information :-/
[01:43] <stdin> tn-: got it to work yet?
[01:43] <tn-> as I left the computer shut down for a week-end, sound came back alone
[01:44] <tn-> but it is still fading away with time !
[01:44] <stdin> tn-: strange, that sounds like a hardware problem for sure
[01:44] <tn-> I don't know
[01:44] <tn-> I'm working on embedded linux distros I'm building
[01:44] <ForgeAus> grrr um how to uninstall mzscheme?
[01:45] <tn-> and I never saw that kind of behavior
[01:45] <ForgeAus> its got a service it runs which possibly may have been deleted but it messes with my apt-get
[01:45] <stdin> tn-: have you tried with another OS (win), and see if it still happens ?
[01:45] <tn-> couldn't find the time to :(
[01:45] <tn-> too much work by now
[01:46] <tn-> I'll try to let my boss touch the computer with is ugly w2k :)
[01:46] <sadistic_kitten> uh hi, I don't know exactly what happened, but all my personal settings just got messed up and it just reverted to default
[01:46] <tn-> +h
[01:46] <stdin> it sounds like one of the connections on the mb aren't right
[01:46] <sadistic_kitten> is there any way to do something like a system restore?
[01:46] <sadistic_kitten> I remember doing it before, but I can't remember how
[01:46] <tn-> I don't know : it's a closed box
[01:47] <kkosmo> hi somone
[01:47] <tn-> we didn't even opened it
[01:47] <kkosmo> have some program to kde that record videos from the desktop
[01:47] <kkosmo> ?
[01:47] <stdin> tn-: it could be something as simple as a component isn't soldered correctly
[01:48] <tn-> well sound wouldn't even work if it was so, no ?
[01:48] <stdin> kkosmo: recordmydesktop in the repos or "xvidcap" (not in the repso)
[01:48] <tn-> we're designing our own ARM board and if a component is not well soldered, it simply don't work
[01:49] <tn-> so I think it would be the same on an intel mobo
[01:49] <kkosmo> stdin what the respoties of this software
[01:49] <stdin> tn-: no it would work, but if the solder was loose or something, it may do what you're describing
[01:49] <tn-> well maybe
[01:49] <tn-> I'll see with our electronicians :)
[01:50] <tn-> I'll tell you more later
[01:50] <tn-> thanks
[01:50] <tn-> see you later
[01:50] <stdin> kkosmo: look here http://popey.com/Creating_Screencasts
[01:50] <sadistic_kitten> stdin, you wanna help me quickly if it's not too much trouble?
[01:51] <stdin> sadistic_kitten: depends on the problem
[01:51] <kkosmo> stdin
[01:51] <sadistic_kitten> do you know how to do something like a system restore?
[01:51] <kkosmo> its not take a lot of cpu
[01:51] <kkosmo> ?
[01:51] <kkosmo> i have not best computer
[01:51] <stdin> kkosmo: recordmydesktop is better then
[01:51] <kkosmo> where i can get it
[01:52] <stdin> sadistic_kitten: unless you backed-up your ~/.kde directory, no
[01:52] <stdin> !recordmydesktop
[01:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about recordmydesktop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:52] <stdin> hmm, 1 sec
[01:52] <kkosmo> right
[01:53] <stdin> ok, so it's in the fiesty repos, but not the edgy ones :P
[01:53] <kkosmo> damn
[01:54] <sadistic_kitten> argh that sucks so much, I remember doing it on a linux box, and I'm pretty sure it was kubuntu (although it was possible SuSE)
[01:55] <stdin> kkosmo: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=294605
[01:55] <kkosmo> man its for dappar
[01:55] <kkosmo> ooo
[01:55] <stdin> sadistic_kitten: afaik there is no system restore feature unless you install one
[01:55] <kkosmo> down
[01:55] <sadistic_kitten> bah
[01:56] <sadistic_kitten> kk thanx anyway
[01:56] <stdin> everyone learns to backup sooner or later :)
[02:00] <kkosmo> stdin:
[02:00] <kkosmo> ?
[02:00] <kkosmo> you can give me the respoties
[02:00] <kkosmo> i cant get into the fourm
[02:00] <kkosmo> i dont register
[02:03] <tobias_> :)
[02:04] <tobias_> any1 else here having trouble downloading the supergamer2 iso from torrent?
[02:04] <markus_> hi... why can't I see more than the home and media folder in kde konqueror when I select the tab "rootfolder"? The same think, when I save a file in firefox or want to search for a program to open with... I am not able to enter the folder /usr/bin for example
[02:05] <Riddell> meduxa: feel free to join us in #kubuntu-devel to hang out with the developers
[02:07] <Jucato> !hidden | markus_
[02:07] <ubotu> markus_: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[02:07] <markus_> ah, thx :)
[02:08] <Jucato> markus_: you are still able to enter those. either show hidden files or enter the direct path
[02:08] <markus_> yes, but it won't work with the file save dialog from firefox, would it?
[02:08] <Jucato> it would
[02:09] <Jucato> you can right-click -> Show Hidden Files in Firefox as well (iirc)
[02:11] <markus_> oh okay, Jucato. it works. thanks a lot :-)
[02:11] <sahin_h> Hi, I just tried Kubuntu Herd-2. I realized kcontrol acting really weird.
[02:11] <sahin_h> kcontrol contains only two empty items
[02:12] <stdin_> for feisty issues #ubuntu+1
[02:12] <sahin_h> Ok. Thanks.
[02:18] <Alarm> when opening the proccess table i dont see any process listed and all i can see is at the bottom: 88888Processes, Memory: 8888888 , kb used: 888888  Swap: 888888 . also trying to run ps -x doesnt show any resutls at all. it doesnt respont actually
[02:19] <Alarm> i had a problem with kdetv application and after closing the application that appeared .
[02:25] <tobias_> it would be so cool if all the games on linuxgames.com were added to repositories so I could install them with adept :D
[02:25] <tobias_> is there a gaming repository?
[02:26] <Newbster> hello
[02:27] <kkosmo> hi
[02:27] <Newbster> hi can you tell me how to delete a folder - i cant delete it
[02:28] <Newbster> its name is .trash-0 and its on another hard disk
[02:28] <stdin_> what error do you get?
[02:29] <Newbster> in konqueror its Access denied to /media/hdb/.Trash-0.
[02:29] <stdin_> what filesystem is it?
[02:29] <Newbster> stdin: someone told me that it can be deleted through the konsole - its ext3
[02:30] <stdin_> if it's ext3 then it would need to be deleted by the user that owns it, or by root
[02:30] <Newbster> stdin: but when i type ls it doesn't show the directory
[02:30] <Newbster> stdin: ummm.. i own it
[02:30] <Newbster> i guess...sort of
[02:31] <stdin_> dot (.name) files/directories are hidden
[02:31] <stdin_> ls -A will show it
[02:31] <Newbster> stdin: aight that did it - then?
[02:31] <stdin_> who owns it? root?
[02:31] <Newbster> yep
[02:32] <Newbster> stdin: forgive me coz im a newbster - how do i delete a hidden folder again as root?
[02:32] <stdin_> Newbster, use "sudo rmdir .Trash-0" if it's emply, or "sudo rm -r .Trash-0" if not
[02:33] <stdin_> Newbster, in Konqueror you can just do View -> Show hidden files
[02:33] <syfer83> d
[02:33] <Newbster> stdin: the hdd is making crunch crunch sounds
[02:34] <stdin_> it's probably because it's being accessed
[02:34] <Newbster> stdin: w00t it worked!
[02:34] <Newbster> stdin: thank you thank you thank you
[02:35] <stdin_> heh, no problem :)
[02:35] <Newbster> =] 
[02:35] <syfer83> stop
[02:35] <syfer83> !stop
[02:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:38] <Newbster> !kmobiletools
[02:38] <ubotu> kmobiletools: KDE application for controlling your mobile phone. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.3.3-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 128 kB, installed size 484 kB
[02:41] <Newbster> !df
[02:41] <ubotu> Graphical representations of where your disk-space is being used are: baobab (GNOME), filelight / kinfocenter (Kubuntu). On the terminal: df -h -T
[02:41] <tobias_> I was wondering if the wine in adept is the latest, its called "0.9.9" while on the wine homepage it is called "0.9.29"
[02:41] <tobias_> ?
[02:42] <Newbster> !wine
[02:42] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[02:42] <stdin_> tobias_, it's not the latest, but it's the most stable on ubuntu
[02:42] <tobias_> aah
[02:42] <tobias_> cool
[02:42] <tobias_> stdin: does it work?
[02:43] <stdin_> depends what you mean by "work"
[02:43] <tobias_> hehe
[02:43] <tobias_> I want to play heroes 3
[02:43] <tobias_> or four
[02:43] <stdin_> have a look on the wine application database, on the wine website
[02:43] <tobias_> is it like i write "wine setup.exe" and it installs just like in evil xdows
[02:43] <drarem> can I disable the touchpad on my laptop, or at least decrease the sensitivity?  I'm using an external mouse
[02:43] <tobias_> ok
[02:44] <tobias_> thanx
[02:44] <stdin_> np
[02:45] <tobias_> Im gettin wine tralala, gonna waste my time.. :D
[02:48] <Newbster> tobias: you like fantasy turn based games? try battle for wesnoth
[02:50] <Newbster> tobias: some versions of Heroes might work
[02:50] <Newbster> tobias: here check this out
[02:50] <Newbster> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=394
[02:51] <ForgeAus> hmm heroes of might and magic uner wine... thats interesting
[02:51] <Newbster> havent played that though for ages
[02:52] <kkosmo> !crossover
[02:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about crossover - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:53] <icheyne> does anyone here use a Radeon 9250 or other 92** card?
[02:54] <kkosmo> hi somone can help me how i can
[02:54] <kkosmo> install ietab
[02:54] <kkosmo> in linux
[02:55] <stdin_> ietab?
[02:55] <kkosmo> extanison for firefox
[02:55] <dope> how do i access and edit the user list from the console?
[02:55] <stdin_> kkosmo: is that the one to open a internet explorer tab?
[02:56] <kkosmo> yes
[02:56] <stdin_> dope: depends what you want to do, to vesw users look at /etc/passwd, to add users user adduser
[02:57] <dope> i need to edit a password
[02:57] <stdin_> dope: for a user who isn't you?
[02:58] <tobias_> is it possible to make my main partition bigger?
[02:58] <dope> i'm logging in as root
[02:58] <dope> cause i forgot the pw to my account
[02:58] <tobias_> I got a biig partition, and I got a small main partition
[02:58] <alcopop> anyone know if GParted LiveCD is easy for a beginner to use for diskimage making ?
[02:58] <alcopop> i understand it uses dd
[02:58] <stdin_> dope: use "passwd username"
[02:58] <dope> alcopop: yea it's fairly simple
[02:58] <stdin_> kkosmo, why do you want it, IE is only for windows
[02:59] <tobias_> my small main partition only has 7 gigs so the best would be to merge my giant partition with my small default installation partition, but is it possible without deleting any files?
[02:59] <alcopop> cuz ppl were telling me 'dd' is hard for beginners to use
[02:59] <kkosmo> damn
[02:59] <kkosmo> windows dont work on my computer
[02:59] <kkosmo> and
[02:59] <kkosmo> my brother
[02:59] <dope> stdin_: i don't quite understand
[02:59] <kkosmo> want to enter to site that soppurted only in windows
[02:59] <stdin_> dope: you are logged in as root?
[02:59] <dope> correct
[02:59] <dope> and i'm in that file
[02:59] <dope> and i see my username
[03:00] <tobias_> what is kubuntus version of pqmagic?
[03:00] <stdin_> kkosmo: complain to the website, or you can try installing IE in wine
[03:00] <kkosmo> i dont have time to complain to the website
[03:00] <stdin_> dope: to set a password, you don't use that file
[03:00] <tobias_> !partition
[03:00] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[03:00] <dope> oh
[03:01] <stdin_> dope: just use the cammand "passwd [username] "
[03:01] <dope> well what file do i use then?
[03:01] <stdin_> dope, you don't use any file
[03:01] <dope> ah nice
[03:01] <dope> thx
[03:01] <stdin_> np
[03:01] <dope> i just got a little confused
[03:02] <stdin_> the /etc/passwd files stores usernames, not passwords (anymore)
[03:03] <tobias_> wow
[03:03] <tobias_> if I use qparted and resize my extended partition, will it affect my linux-swap or my ext3 partition inside that extended partition?
[03:04] <tobias_> !qparted
[03:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qparted - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:04] <tobias_> !qtparted
[03:04] <ubotu> qtparted: A parted frontend using QT. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.5-2ubuntu11 (edgy), package size 202 kB, installed size 716 kB
[03:04] <tobias_> dxmn
[03:05] <stdin_> reside the logical partitions, if you change the extended one, you could damage the partitions inside it
[03:05] <stdin_> *resize
[03:05] <tobias_> but the logical partitions doesnt have the option to rezise
[03:05] <tobias_> except the swap partiton
[03:05] <tobias_> but thats only one gig
[03:06] <tobias_> I want my giant 30 gig to be 20 and to put that extra space in my dev/hda1
[03:06] <tobias_> so I can play games
[03:06] <tobias_> :)
[03:06] <kkosmo> stdin
[03:06] <kkosmo> but
[03:06] <kkosmo> in wine
[03:06] <stdin_> try gparted, and make sure you arent using the disk
[03:06] <kkosmo> why the internet explorer
[03:06] <kkosmo> jumping
[03:06] <tobias_> aha
[03:07] <kkosmo> flickring
[03:07] <kkosmo> ?
[03:07] <kkosmo> i can fix it
[03:07] <tobias_> I must unmount it first then, will resizing it delete the data on it, or is it trouble free like partitionmagic?
[03:07] <stdin_> kkosmo: I don't know, I don't use wine
[03:07] <kkosmo> ok
[03:07] <stdin_> kkosmo: maybe ask in #winehq
[03:07] <Newbster> kkosmo: i think it is universal it happens to me too when i tried ies4linux
[03:07] <tobias_> wow
[03:07] <tobias_> there is a #winehq
[03:07] <tobias_> nice
[03:08] <tobias_> XD
[03:08] <kkosmo> i can fix it
[03:08] <stdin_> tobias_, if you only have 1 disk, and you are booted from it, use a live CD to repartition
[03:08] <kkosmo> newbster
[03:08] <kkosmo> ?
[03:08] <tobias_> aha
[03:08] <Newbster> kkosmo: yes?
[03:08] <tobias_> thanx stdin
[03:08] <kkosmo> how
[03:08] <kkosmo> ?
[03:08] <stdin_> tobias_: no problem :)
[03:08] <tobias_> now to find my ubuntu cd ;)
[03:08] <tobias_> kubuntu even
[03:09] <Newbster> kkosmo: sorry man, i dont know
[03:09] <stdin_> there is a gparted cd too :)
[03:09] <tobias_> I probably borrowed it to some lucky people
[03:09] <Newbster> kkosmo: theres not much news in ies4linux website either
[03:09] <os2mac> is there anyone here from "the company"
[03:12] <os2mac> I would REALLY like to be able to use my wireless nick in the upcoming version of Kubuntu without having to use an additional software. I am not a programmer. I am willing however to install the current (or additional test builds) on my computer to allow for feedback of trouble shooting
[03:12] <os2mac> I have a Broadcom NIC and BCM43xx-fw doesn't install correctly on my machine when I use the current herd CD.
[03:13] <vge> os2mac: welcome to i hate broadcom club
[03:13] <os2mac> I have gone beyond that... I am willing to do what ever it takes to make it happen.
[03:13] <os2mac> including installing software that I know doesn't work to allow for a development testing platform.
[03:14] <Newbster> like windows
[03:14] <os2mac> I am a UNIX admin. I need to use some form of *NIX at home because it's frustrating to me to switch back and forth from work to home. but I am NOT a programmer.
[03:15] <Newbster> !kilpper
[03:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kilpper - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:15] <Newbster> !klipper
[03:15] <os2mac> !klipper
[03:15] <ubotu> klipper: clipboard utility for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 271 kB, installed size 940 kB
[03:15] <tek_> hey
[03:15] <Newbster> thanks
[03:17] <Newbster> !krfb
[03:17] <ubotu> krfb: Desktop Sharing for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1.1 (edgy), package size 921 kB, installed size 1644 kB
[03:18] <Newbster> wow this exclamation point thing is amazing
[03:18] <Newbster> !kwin
[03:18] <ubotu> kwin: the KDE window manager. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 997 kB, installed size 3284 kB
[03:19] <Newbster> hmmm what if i try this
[03:19] <Newbster> !windows
[03:19] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[03:19] <Newbster> loool
[03:20] <Newbster> !billgates
[03:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about billgates - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:20] <stdin_> !botabuse
[03:20] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[03:20] <Newbster> oops ok sorry
[03:21] <stdin_> just keeps the channel open for support requests :)
[03:21] <Newbster> but you have to admit ubotu does a pretty fine job compared to the faqs at ubuntu
[03:22] <Newbster> fast reliable information
[03:29] <chih> hi
[03:30] <tibbar> !smb tibbar
[03:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smb tibbar - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:30] <tibbar> !sambazasmb tibbar
[03:31] <stdin> !samba | tibbar
[03:31] <ubotu> tibbar: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[03:31] <tibbar> thanks
[03:31] <stdin> np :)
[03:32] <shanky> good afternoon
[03:32] <tobias_> does wine 0.9.29 work with kubuntu?
[03:32] <tobias_> wine 0.9.9 is crap
[03:34] <kkosmo> damn
[03:34] <kkosmo> i faild
[03:34] <kkosmo> to install internet explorer
[03:34] <kkosmo> its too bad
[03:34] <Newbster> what version kkosmo?
[03:35] <kkosmo> not in wine
[03:35] <tobias_> check out the winehq page for compability issues with internet explorer, I remember seeing it listed there which version works
[03:35] <kkosmo> in les4linx
[03:35] <kkosmo> what i need to install 6
[03:35] <kkosmo> or 5
[03:35] <kkosmo> ?
[03:35] <tobias_> it says on the winehq page I guess
[03:36] <kkosmo> damn my brother
[03:36] <tobias_> ooh
[03:36] <kkosmo> wait to that
[03:36] <kraut> moin
[03:37] <Newbster> kkosmo: i will try too after i install swiftfox plug inx
[03:37] <Newbster> s
[03:37] <kkosmo> what
[03:37] <kkosmo> swiftfox
[03:37] <kkosmo> ?
[03:37] <Newbster> !swiftfox
[03:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about swiftfox - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:38] <tobias_> !wine
[03:38] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[03:38] <kkosmo> !recordmydesktop
[03:38] <Newbster> er...ok its a firefox which is more customized for your processor
[03:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about recordmydesktop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:38] <kkosmo> ok
[03:38] <kkosmo> and he can run sites for internet explorer
[03:39] <kkosmo> shit
[03:39] <Newbster> well no
[03:39] <kkosmo> what i do now
[03:39] <Newbster> which site do you want to go to?
[03:39] <kkosmo> livegoal
[03:39] <kkosmo> its israli site
[03:40] <Newbster> lemme check
[03:40] <kkosmo> my brother
[03:40] <kkosmo> not
[03:40] <kkosmo> me
[03:41] <Newbster> what url?
[03:41] <kkosmo> www.livegoal.co.il
[03:41] <kkosmo> the site is work
[03:41] <kkosmo> but in side its need to show games
[03:41] <kkosmo> but it not
[03:41] <shanky> after edit /etc/hostname must I reboot?
[03:42] <shanky> I'm trying to update from dapper to edgy using update-manager
[03:42] <kkosmo> newbster
[03:42] <kkosmo> you do it
[03:42] <kkosmo> ?
[03:43] <Newbster> kkosmo: i cant read it
[03:43] <kkosmo> i know
[03:43] <kkosmo> but in side
[03:43] <shanky> I have a problem with gethostbyname so I have to change my hostname
[03:43] <kkosmo> you get a game scors
[03:43] <kkosmo> 0-0
[03:43] <kkosmo> 1-0
[03:43] <kkosmo> no right
[03:43] <Newbster> ok i will try for you i will install ies4linux
[03:43] <tobias_> oh btw
[03:44] <stuffid> hello...all...
[03:44] <tobias_> firefox can emulate internet exploder
[03:44] <tobias_> so that the site thinks ur using internet explorer any version u want
[03:44] <tony_> hello...having a problem...azureus was working fine...than it crashed for some reason and now everytime it starts up it immediately shuts down...I don't understand
[03:44] <TheGateKeeper> there is a firefox extension for that
[03:45] <tobias_> yupp
[03:45] <kkosmo> what the name
[03:45] <kkosmo> i try that
[03:45] <tobias_> kkosomo: i think its default in the program, let me check
[03:45] <tony_> can anyone help out or point to a place where I can find the answer...thanks so much
[03:46] <kkosmo> how much problems i have
[03:46] <kkosmo> damn
[03:46] <TheGateKeeper> kkosmo,  User Agent Switcher
[03:47] <TheGateKeeper> google for that
[03:47] <K-Ryan> !azureus | tony_
[03:47] <ubotu> tony_: azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AzureusHowTo
[03:47] <K-Ryan> You can try there
[03:47] <tony_> i will thanks
[03:48] <K-Ryan> Otherwise a restart might do it
[03:48] <K-Ryan> I had a problem like that with a different program.
[03:48] <K-Ryan> Restarting fixed it
[03:48] <tobias_> kkosmo: actually its konqueror that comes with automatic "pretending to be any browser" function
[03:48] <shanky> any idea about the hostname?
[03:49] <tobias_> kkosmo: you just push the "tools" menu item and u will se it on the bottom
[03:49] <mikki> how do i view  a .daa file ?
[03:49] <tobias_> kkosmo: probably the addon for firefox will let u see more pages since firefox seems to read pages better sometimes
[03:50] <tobias_> kkosmo: I dont know about that one tho, but konqueror might work fine so try that first :)
[03:50] <kkosmo> i try
[03:50] <kkosmo> but its not work
[03:50] <kkosmo> shit
[03:50] <slestak> ive been having problems for +1 week wrt us repositories.  failed downloads, name resolution, all other apps are fine.  i switched one laptop to use ca repositories and all is well.  are the us repos down or overused, or misconfiogured?  is there a status page from canonical or some way to see system-wide repo status?
[03:50] <tobias_> humf
[03:52] <K-Ryan> slestak, I'm new but I
[03:52] <K-Ryan> am in the US and my repos are working fine.
[03:54] <tobias_> is there a difference between how I add repositories in kubuntus adept and synaptic?
[03:54] <K-Ryan> as long as you add it correctly and in the right file, it shouldn't
[03:54] <slestak> tobias_: results should b the same, but the tools are a little different
[03:55] <tobias_> cant find the new wine files even tho I added the "deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main" rep
[03:55] <K-Ryan> !wine | tobias_
[03:55] <ubotu> tobias_: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[03:55] <tobias_> k-ryan: me knows
[03:55] <mikki> how do i view  a .daa file ?
[03:55] <tobias_> k-ryan: my question is more connected to adept
[03:55] <K-Ryan> tobias_ Just making sure
[03:56] <Newbster> !synaptic
[03:56] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[03:56] <K-Ryan> tobias_: if it doesn't work from synaptic, try it with Adept
[03:56] <K-Ryan> I did it that way and the repo worked
[03:56] <tobias_> should I replace the "main" part with "universe multiverse" ? in adept of course, I like adept :)
[03:57] <tobias_> aha
[03:57] <K-Ryan> I think you are supposed to
[03:57] <tobias_> I am, cool
[03:57] <K-Ryan> I'll check the wine page
[03:57] <K-Ryan> nope,  deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main
[03:58] <tobias_> k-ryan but that is for synaptic
[03:58] <tobias_> k-ryan it doesnt say how it works in adept
[03:58] <K-Ryan> By Adept you mean the Add/Remove Programs?
[03:58] <tobias_> adept is a nice package manager just like synaptic
[03:58] <tobias_> just I like adept better
[03:58] <Xera> synaptic is better imo
[03:59] <Xera> faster, stabler
[03:59] <K-Ryan> I have Adept for package managing
[03:59] <tobias_> xera: I think adept is prettier
[03:59] <Xera> lol
[03:59] <tobias_> :)
[03:59] <Newbster> pretty
[03:59] <uranos> wenas
[03:59] <uranos> como andamos
[04:00] <Xera> !foreign
[04:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about foreign - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:00] <K-Ryan> !es
[04:00] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[04:00] <tobias_> lol
[04:00] <uranos> hi
[04:00] <Xera> !ew > uranos
[04:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ew - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:00] <Xera> oops
[04:00] <Xera> !es > uranos
[04:00] <Xera> XD
[04:00] <tobias_> pretty is good! we want the xsoft users to have a safe arrival
[04:00] <Xera> um
[04:01] <K-Ryan> Xera you mean...
[04:01] <K-Ryan> !es | uranos
[04:01] <ubotu> uranos: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[04:01] <Xera> yes
[04:01] <Xera> lol
[04:01] <K-Ryan> ;)
[04:02] <tobias_> what is the wine package from deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main called in adept?
[04:02] <tobias_> or synaptic
[04:02] <K-Ryan> wine?
[04:02] <K-Ryan> im pretty sure
[04:02] <tobias_> !adept tobias_
[04:02] <ubotu> adept: package management suite for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 11 kB, installed size 40 kB
[04:02] <tobias_> damn
[04:02] <tobias_> no help file
[04:03] <Jucato> K-Ryan: | <nick> pipes the message to <nick>, making it appear in here. '>' sends the message in a pm
[04:03] <Newbster> can anyone tell me why this happens when i do a 'sudo apt-get install wine' WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[04:03] <K-Ryan> Ah, so either works
[04:03] <Jucato> K-Ryan: yep
[04:03] <K-Ryan> Thanks jucato
[04:03] <Jucato> Newbster: it means that you need a key to authenticate/verify that the source is a trusted source
[04:04] <Jucato> unfortunately, the wine website doesn't give that key...
[04:04] <Newbster> so you mean to say that i could not be sure if my wine installation is good?
[04:04] <K-Ryan> I think regardless it's Wine
[04:04] <Jucato> not really
[04:05] <Jucato> Newbster: it just means that the system doesn't know that you allowed this new repository to be added
[04:05] <K-Ryan> But that's just what I think, don't quote me on it.
[04:05] <Newbster> ok thanks
[04:05] <Newbster> K-Ryan: lol
[04:05] <K-Ryan> =P
[04:07] <tobias_> where can I find more cool repositories?
[04:07] <tobias_> Specifically GAMES! yay!
[04:07] <K-Ryan> Yeah the package is just called wine
[04:07] <tobias_> I found it :)
[04:07] <Jucato> tobias_: Ubuntu has around 20,000 packages in its repositories...
[04:08] <K-Ryan> Yeah you just need to look through them
[04:08] <tobias_> it seems that adept removed the stupid old version of wine that was previously offered
[04:08] <K-Ryan> Or get the tags to work, I can't drag them from the availible =(
[04:08] <tobias_> and just replaced it with the new one
[04:08] <tobias_> I forgot to look at first.
[04:09] <K-Ryan> tobias_ you can go for the abuse package
[04:09] <K-Ryan> side scroller shoot em up
[04:09] <tobias_> k-ryan: oh cool :)
[04:09] <tobias_> k-ryan I will
[04:09] <Jucato> Newbster: download the GPG file from http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/ then, in the directory where you downloaded it, run "sudo apt-key add <GPG file>"
[04:09] <K-Ryan> i played it on windows going to test it on here now
[04:09] <K-Ryan> let you know if it's good =P
[04:10] <Newbster> its like duke nukem the other way around
[04:10] <Newbster> you look like predator
[04:10] <tobias_> lol it sounds cool
[04:10] <tobias_> Im gonna try
[04:11] <Newbster> jucato: ok i will dl it after i install ies4linux
[04:12] <Newbster> lol
[04:12] <Newbster> im doing it for kkosmo
[04:12] <Newbster> who is also doing it for his brutha
[04:12] <K-Ryan> yeah tobias_ abuse is worth getting
[04:14] <Newbster> kkosmo: still there man?
[04:18] <eMaX> hi all
[04:18] <eMaX> OT: anyone here happens to have a sat receiver?
[04:18] <[StingRay] > stdin, can you please tell me if I can edit the default commands for changing of language layouts in  Control Center ->Regional & Accessability-> Keyboard Layout
[04:19] <[StingRay] > You can see the commands at the bottom, but cannot change them, stdin.
[04:22] <ringtone> hi all
[04:22] <ringtone> somebody can help
[04:22] <ringtone> me
[04:22] <K-Ryan> If you tell us the problem, maybe someone can =P
[04:22] <ringtone> k ryan..
[04:23] <mpathy> Hi there.. I want to switch from ubuntu to kubuntu.. But I have to know if all things I want to have are available or usable there the same way or with similar programs!
[04:23] <ringtone> if i want to get update my kubuntu software
[04:23] <ringtone> what the right command must i type in console ?
[04:23] <K-Ryan> mpathy for the most part everything you use on ubuntu can be used on kubuntu and vice versa
[04:24] <K-Ryan> ringtone do you mean upgrade to 6.10, or normal updates?
[04:24] <ringtone> no system update
[04:24] <K-Ryan> system update, I'm not sure I know what you mean
[04:24] <ringtone> but, only want to download software
[04:24] <mpathy> 1. Clicking on Calendar, enter sth., get remindend (like with evolution) 2. some hw stats (like temperature etc.) in the taskbar http://computertemp.berlios.de/ 3. tv programm via the taskbar like with onTV
[04:25] <ringtone> apt-get update ?
[04:25] <ringtone> like this ?
[04:25] <K-Ryan> Like that?
[04:25] <mpathy> and other little gimmicks, that I really wouldnt miss..
[04:25] <K-Ryan> type sudo apt-get update
[04:25] <ringtone> k-ryan : can I private messange u
[04:25] <K-Ryan> mpathy you should be able to get similar programs if not use the same ones
[04:25] <K-Ryan> sure ringtone
[04:26] <K-Ryan> However I'm not too experienced with this, only been using this for 2 days or so.
[04:26] <mpathy> K-Ryan: Are Gnome Taskbar-Applets compatible with KDE?
[04:26] <Newbster> !kontact | mpathy
[04:26] <ubotu> kontact: KDE pim application. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1574 kB, installed size 3400 kB
[04:26] <ringtone> register ?
[04:26] <K-Ryan> mpathy I think so, I haven't tried taskbar-applets
[04:26] <K-Ryan> But I know the normal programs are.
[04:27] <Newbster> !korganizer | mpathy
[04:27] <ubotu> korganizer: KDE personal organizer. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1530 kB, installed size 4596 kB
[04:27] <mpathy> Newbster: I know what Kontact is.. I want to now if under KDE I have the same great task applet functionality like in Gnome
[04:27] <Newbster> !superkaramba | mpathy
[04:27] <ubotu> mpathy: superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[04:27] <ringtone> ryan : why if i login as user $ and type su
[04:27] <Kaljakoppa> Hi, could somebody assist me with the installation (I'm running a live CD)?
[04:27] <ringtone> password : .....
[04:27] <mpathy> Newbster: I also know what Superkaramba is
[04:27] <ringtone> this error messange
[04:27] <K-Ryan> Kaljakoppa I'll help just give me one second
[04:28] <K-Ryan> ringtone type it exactly like this without quotes "sudo apt-get update
[04:28] <Jucato> !sudo | ringtone
[04:28] <ubotu> ringtone: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[04:28] <mpathy> Read my messages.. My question where spectific about the taskbar
[04:28] <mpathy> ;)
[04:28] <K-Ryan> then just type in your password
[04:29] <Newbster> mpathy: yes you can add applets to the kde taskbar
[04:29] <mpathy> Newbster: I also know THAT *sigh* ;)
[04:30] <Newbster> mpathy: sorry i dunno much about gnome :)
[04:30] <mpathy> Hmm.. Seems I am faster when I try it myself in a VMware image ;)
[04:30] <Newbster> mpathy: what I know is KDE ROX!
[04:31] <drarem> who is 10.96.240.1
[04:31] <Kaljakoppa> My problem with the installation of Kubuntu 7.04 32-bit Herd #2 that after the keyboard selection (pressing next) the screen goes mad
[04:31] <drarem> ?
[04:31] <K-Ryan> Sory, internet kicked.
[04:32] <Jucato> !feisty | Kaljakoppa
[04:32] <ubotu> Kaljakoppa: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[04:32] <K-Ryan> Wow, what is with these names...
[04:32] <K-Ryan> Dapper, edgy, breezy, feisty...
[04:33] <Jucato> you forgot hoary and warty
[04:33] <K-Ryan> Are you serious?
[04:33] <Newbster> lol
[04:33] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[04:33] <K-Ryan> (I listed the ones I knew about)
[04:33] <Jucato> serious
[04:33] <Newbster> hi blue
[04:34] <Jucato> Warty Warthog, Hoary Hedgehog, Breezy Badger, Dapper Drake, Edgy Eft, Feisty Fawn
[04:34] <K-Ryan> o.O
[04:34] <Newbster> jucato - resident specialist
[04:34] <BluesKaj> who comes up with these silly titles ?
[04:34] <K-Ryan> Someone playing WoW
[04:34] <Jucato> sabdfl
[04:34] <Newbster> self appointed benevolent dictator for life
[04:35] <Newbster> lol
[04:35] <Jucato> yes
[04:36] <Newbster> hey thats mark shuttleworth
[04:36] <BluesKaj> benevolent dictator = a contradiction in terms
[04:36] <Jucato> yes
[04:36] <Kaljakoppa> Seems a little bit quiet channel for Feisty there, but what could cause the screen go mad?
[04:36] <Kaljakoppa> I changed "vesa" to "nv" already
[04:36] <Kaljakoppa> With different resolution
[04:36] <K-Ryan> bad cd?
[04:36] <Jucato> Kaljakoppa: unfortunately, those people in there would be the ones who would best know about it
[04:36] <Kaljakoppa> I don't think it is a bad CD
[04:37] <K-Ryan> Just throwing it out there
[04:37] <Kaljakoppa> AMD64 installation worked "fine", but I decided to change because of the obvious difficulties with the 64-bit
[04:38] <Kaljakoppa> I would use Edgy if it only worked (Core 2 Duo, Intel G965)...
[04:40] <Newbster> jucato: please educate me for a moment
[04:40] <Newbster> i want to know the process for installing stuff
[04:40] <Jucato> ??
[04:40] <Newbster> jucato: so first off wget downloads the program right?
[04:41] <Newbster> jucato: tar decompresses it
[04:41] <Jucato> Newbster: er.. depends... you should always look for the program in the repositories first
[04:41] <Newbster> jucato: ok so what does ./ do?
[04:41] <Jucato> take this pattern when looking for software: Repositories -> .deb made for Ubuntu -> general .deb for Debian-based distros -> source code
[04:42] <Newbster> jucato: actually i want to remove ies4linux and i dont know where it put itself
[04:43] <Newbster> jucato: all i know is that i did these:
[04:43] <Newbster> wget http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/downloads/ies4linux-latest.tar.gz
[04:43] <Newbster> tar zxvf ies4linux-latest.tar.gz
[04:43] <Newbster> cd ies4linux-*
[04:43] <Newbster> ./ies4linux
[04:43] <Jucato> '.' means "this current directory". '/' means (in this case) "directory or folder". "./configure" means "run the executable file named 'configure' which is located in this directory"
[04:44] <Newbster> jucato: amazing how i can do stuff without really understanding what i did
[04:44] <Jucato> in that case, it's telling the system to run the ies4linux installer, which is found in the directory that you are currently in
[04:44] <Jucato> which is not really wise in all cases...
[04:44] <Jucato> Newbster: *never* run this command "sudo rm -rf /" and I mean never!
[04:45] <Newbster> jucato: i guess... ok i wont run that cmd...so if i want to remove it i can just delete the files that it created and downloaded?
[04:46] <Jucato> Newbster: ies4linux will install everything in a hidden directory in your home folder (~/.ies4linux). It will not touch any system files (that's why you don't need to run it as root). if you want to remove it, just delete that folder
[04:47] <jontec> anyone know about mod_proxy? there's no package for it in the repo...
[04:47] <Newbster> jucato: i see, so if we compare it to windows - the home folder is like Program Files, right?
[04:47] <Jucato> Newbster: nope
[04:48] <Jucato> there is no direct comparison between the Windows file system heirarchy and Linux's
[04:48] <Jucato> !filesystem
[04:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about filesystem - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:48] <Jucato> bah
[04:48] <Newbster> jucato: that explains my conundrum - i dont know where to put where
[04:49] <Jucato> Newbster: because in most cases, you don't have to know.
[04:49] <Jucato> that's what package managers do for you
[04:49] <Newbster> jucato: package manager = add / remove programs
[04:50] <Jucato> Newbster: that's a package manager frontend (GUI app). but yeah, you could consider that, in simple terms...
[04:50] <Jucato> Add/Remove is a sort of simplified and prettified version of the Adept Manager
[04:50] <Newbster> pretty
[04:51] <Newbster> jucato: i see, so even if i install using the CLI - i can also remove it by using adept
[04:51] <Jucato> (but technically, the package manager in Ubuntu and Debian-based systems is DPKG...but that might be too much info for now...)
[04:52] <Jucato> Newbster: depends
[04:52] <Jucato> for example, ies4linux, can't be removed with apt-get or Adept
[04:53] <Newbster> jucato: it can't?
[04:54] <Jucato> it can't. because you didn't use the package manager (adept or apt-get or dpkg) to install it
[04:55] <Newbster> jucato: yep ur right i just tried
[04:56] <Newbster> jucato: so deleting the hidden folder in the home directory would do it? i thought the home directory was only 4 settings
[04:57] <pip`> anyone know what might have happened?... my kubuntu box wont boot at all now. the last things i did before trying to restart my kubuntu box was i clicked something on a webpage and all of a sudden i got like 50 new browser launch icons down on the bottom of my screen & my computer got bogged down, then after my first reboot,  my graphics got all fuzzy looking... so i tried to reboot but now nothing happens when i turn my box on except my cpu fa
[04:58] <pip`> help helP
[04:58] <Jucato> Newbster: well, that's a simplified way of looking at it
[04:58] <Newbster> jucato: thanks man you've been really helpful :)
[04:59] <Jucato> no problem
[04:59] <Newbster> jucato: sometimes the websites just tell you to cut and paste code but users like me just don't get what the codes mean or do
[04:59] <Jucato> pip`: sorry... no idea about it...
[05:00] <pip`> :(
[05:00] <hatta> Newbster, http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[05:00] <bipolar> pip`: why did you loose it? did it run away?
[05:01] <pip`> well i wont give a signal to my monitor now
[05:01] <pip`> but my cpu fan does turn on
[05:01] <bipolar> haha
[05:02] <bipolar> pip`: what did you do just before it stopped booting
[05:02] <pip`> :(
[05:02] <pip`> the last things i did before trying to restart my kubuntu box was i clicked something on a webpage and all of a sudden i got like 50 new browser launch icons down on the bottom of my screen & my computer got bogged down, then
[05:02] <pip`> then after my first reboot,  my graphics got all fuzzy looking... so i tried to reboot but now nothing happens when i turn my box on except my cpu fan turns on, no signal at all to the screen
[05:03] <waylandbill> your video card may have failed.
[05:03] <bipolar> pip`: the web browser thing is unrelated. sounds like your video card burned up
[05:03] <pip`> it was an onboard gigabyte mobo about a year old
[05:03] <pip`> ohh noo
[05:04] <waylandbill> if its a desktop and if the case allows it, use a plugin video card.
[05:04] <pip`> i was also getting errors whenever i tried to install packages using adept
[05:05] <Newbster> hatta: wow thats a long read
[05:05] <pip`> yes i can try my spare addon video card
[05:05] <pip`> i guess
[05:05] <Jucato> Newbster: tldp.org has a lot of good reads for Linux. some are newbie oriented. maybe you'd want to take a peek sometime, since you're not like the other newbies :)
[05:06] <Newbster> i managed to finish the introduction lol
[05:07] <hatta> learning the shell isn't exactly easy, but doing the work to build the mental models so you understand what's happening pays off greatly
[05:07] <mick666> hello
[05:10] <fre> joooo
[05:10] <fre> cvakes???
[05:10] <fre> wie kent er hier wa van linux???
[05:12] <Jucato> !de
[05:12] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[05:12] <Newbster> german i suppose
[05:13] <K-Ryan> I think so
[05:13] <Newbster> which reminds me kopete has some nice plugins that enable instant translation
[05:14] <K-Ryan> instant?
[05:14] <K-Ryan> That's not really possible is it? Considering the grammar structure of languages vary.
[05:15] <Newbster> yes thats why the translations usually are lopsided
[05:15] <waylandbill> and sometimes entertaining.
[05:15] <K-Ryan> I wouldn't really call that translation
[05:16] <K-Ryan> Just kind of swapping words...
[05:16] <Newbster> specifically for languages where it is common to put the predicate before the subject
[05:16] <Newbster> that would be a more accurate description
[05:17] <Newbster> but given the number of people who are bilingual and show interest in this field, it would be possible in the near future
[05:18] <Newbster> so instead of 'swapping words' they can 'swap phrases or sentences'
[05:18] <K-Ryan> But it would still be off
[05:18] <K-Ryan> Everyone speaks different, individually I mean.
[05:19] <hatta> machine translation is AI-complete
[05:19] <yogi> Riddell: The POP filters in KMail 1.9.5 are STILL completely inoperable.  (I first reported this when Dapper was still in beta.)
[05:19] <hatta> even talented humans can't translate things perfectly
[05:19] <Riddell> yogi: is this likely to be a kubuntu specific problem?
[05:19] <hatta> for further reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Ton_beau_de_Marot
[05:20] <yogi> Riddell: I honestly don't know, Sir!  I DO know that the POP filters worked in the Breezy distro...
[05:21] <Riddell> yogi: it's probably worth asking on #kontact if it's a general issue
[05:21] <yogi> Riddell:Very well... I will check there, too.  I will get back to you on the negative.
[05:22] <yogi> Riddell:Thank you, SIr.
[05:22] <hanseatix> #mkbw
[05:23] <linux_den> any way to get w32codecs for kubuntu
[05:23] <yogi> linux_den:Restricted Formats page.
[05:23] <K-Ryan> !adonthell
[05:23] <ubotu> adonthell: A 2D graphical roleplaying game. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.4.cvs.20050813-2.2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 249 kB, installed size 916 kB
[05:23] <linux_den> where do i find that
[05:23] <waylandbill> !Restricted
[05:23] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:24] <yogi> linux_den: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-848295cba1b3591a4b4a0dbea5844fd5d2894b6b
[05:24] <yogi> linux_den:That is where I got it all set up for the last three versions
[05:25] <linux_den> thank you
[05:27] <Newbster> K-ryan: "It would still be off" Agreed, though attempts to create such a software would be continuosly made of course
[05:27] <K-Ryan> It would never be perfect =P
[05:27] <Newbster> as all human endeavors ;)
[05:28] <K-Ryan> The only way to effectively translate would be to limit the amount of phrases that you would be able to say. ie. preset phrases
[05:28] <Newbster> like: "get chair"
[05:29] <Newbster> or sudo delete [file name] 
[05:29] <K-Ryan> No as in things like "Good game!" or "Play again?"
[05:29] <Dr_willis> Final Fantasy online can do that K-Ryan  :)
[05:29] <mick666> excuse me
[05:29] <Newbster> lol
[05:30] <K-Ryan> I've seen it done before, I'm just saying that's the only way for perfect translation.
[05:30] <mick666> can i work for Canonical in Italy?
[05:30] <mick666> do you know something?
[05:30] <Newbster> is there a Canonical in Italy?
[05:30] <K-Ryan> If you attempted to take normal everyday chat and translate it perfectly, you would end up with preset phrases
[05:31] <K-Ryan> And nobody would have their own personality to express.
[05:31] <K-Ryan> Or be able to anyway
[05:31] <mick666> yes there is
[05:31] <Newbster> Just like pc speak
[05:31] <Newbster> add emoticons then
[05:32] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:32] <K-Ryan> But everyone would sound the same
[05:32] <Dr_willis> 0_o
[05:32] <K-Ryan> Plus or minus an emoticon
[05:32] <Newbster> er...download personalized themes?
[05:32] <K-Ryan> So you would have 200 other people using the same theme as you anyway =P
[05:33] <K-Ryan> Unless you made your own translation setup for a theme that is
[05:34] <tobias_> if I boot the kubuntu cd, can I change the size of my partitions and put space from one partition to another without deleting data?
[05:34] <Newbster> K-Ryan: anyway, you are right - there can be no perfect translation - its a linguistic and philosophical fact
[05:34] <K-Ryan> I know, I just wanted to make sure you understood why =P
[05:35] <HymnToLife> tobias_, yes, though it's always wise to save important data before, just in case
[05:35] <K-Ryan> tobias_ as long as you are moving unused space
[05:35] <pip`> welp my mobo is looking deader n deader by the minute... swapping video cards doesnt fix it... next i guess i should try swapping ram
[05:35] <tobias_> kool
[05:35] <tobias_> thanx
[05:35] <K-Ryan> Np
[05:35] <pip`> :((
[05:35] <hamzor> hello
[05:35] <hamzor> i need little help
[05:36] <hamzor> with nvidia drivers
[05:36] <K-Ryan> Hey would you guys reccomend getting....
[05:36] <K-Ryan> !aegis-virus-scanner
[05:36] <ubotu> aegis-virus-scanner: A virus scanner for Linux/Unix systems. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.1-1 (edgy), package size 19 kB, installed size 144 kB
[05:36] <K-Ryan> Just in case?
[05:37] <hamzor> when i try to install Nvidia 64bit drivers i get error = "Unable to find the system utility please check ld"
[05:38] <K-Ryan> They aren't
[05:38] <Dr_willis> K-Ryan,  just in case of what?
[05:38] <K-Ryan> I don't know
[05:38] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:39] <pip`> haha
[05:39] <Dr_willis> Only use ive seen for virus scanners in linux - is to scan your ftp/downloads and other things for windows virusisisisis.
[05:39] <Dr_willis> or to work with your email/other servers
[05:39] <slougi> hey all, someone wanna help me out a bit with zeroconf? when I run mdns-scan in a console it finds all the services, but the kde zeroconf:/ ioslave is not working. any ideas on how to fix this?
[05:39] <Dr_willis> again - to scan for files with windows viruses..
[05:40] <waylandbill> let the windows friends scan them themselves. ;-)
[05:41] <pip`> Dr, what might cause the problem i just had right before my screen went fuzzy & now i got no monitor signal on boot, before that happened i had a bunch(50) of browser icons popping up at bottom of my screen after i clicked on a weblink ?
[05:42] <Dink> Anyone know if you can increase the scroll buffer / history in konsole ??
[05:42] <pip`> paging Dr_willis paging Dr_willis  :)
[05:42] <Dr_willis> pip`,  you had firefox or konqueror - web surfing and got a bunch of popup ads/sites? now X wont load?
[05:42] <hamzor> anyone how can help me with my problem plz /q me
[05:43] <pip`> i might have had both browsers on, but i know i had atleast firefox on
[05:43] <PupenoR> Was Amarok's support for gstreamer removed in Kubuntu ?
[05:43] <Dr_willis> i cant think of anything running the browser as a user. could do to mess up X.
[05:43] <Dr_willis> pip`,  now you cant even get to the KDM login screen?
[05:43] <pip`> now my mobo wont send signal to my monitor at all, but my cpu fan does turn on
[05:43] <waylandbill> Dr_willis: it won't even boot. I told him his video card is probably done for. The browser issue was probably unrelated.
[05:43] <linux_den> what program can i use to play quicktime files
[05:43] <pip`> after i tried to reboot
[05:44] <linux_den> Please
[05:44] <Dr_willis> I agree with you waylandbill .
[05:44] <pip`> its not my video card i just swapped them out
[05:44] <Dr_willis> pip`,  can you even get to the BIOS settings? see the memorycount/stuff ?
[05:44] <JosefK> pip`: does it POST?
[05:44] <pip`> no
[05:44] <Dr_willis> Yea the 'POST' messages..
[05:44] <pip`> no post
[05:44] <pip`> no signal
[05:44] <pip`> to monitor
[05:44] <waylandbill> does it beep the internal speaker?
[05:44] <Dr_willis> That sounds like got some hardware issue. or cable problem then.
[05:44] <JosefK> pip`: try swapping most of your RAM sticks out, try them in various combinations in different slots
[05:45] <pip`> yes, i switched out my ram chips as well
[05:45] <JosefK> pip`: all of them?
[05:45] <JosefK> pip`: mind, it would still beep like crazy if you had no RAM sticks in there
[05:45] <pip`> well i tried diff combos using the 2 ramchips that were in there
[05:45] <pip`> i still need to tried a new ramchip i guess
[05:46] <Dr_willis> may want to try a new monitor...
[05:46] <pip`> well my monitor seems good cuz thats what im using now
[05:46] <K-Ryan> Guys, every half hour to an hour Kubuntu freezes and I have to restart, any idea what might cause it?
[05:46] <pip`> off my other box
[05:46] <Dr_willis> but if the pc isent even beeping - that sounds bad...
[05:46] <Dr_willis> but it could be a loose cable, or somthing
[05:46] <JosefK> indeed Dr_willis, does it beep if you try to switch it on with on RAM in?
[05:46] <hamzor> Dr_willis could  you help me with my problem with nvidia drivers
[05:47] <pip`> well i dont hear any beeping but then i dont have my sound connected either
[05:47] <K-Ryan> the pc speaker would beep
[05:47] <waylandbill> from the internal speaker
[05:47] <JosefK> *no RAM
[05:47] <pip`> i think i pulled out the pc speaker last year
[05:47] <Dr_willis> hamzor,  i dont use 64bit disrto stuff.. I dont see the point in it at this time. Theres too many little issues.
[05:47] <pip`> hmm
[05:47] <JosefK> oh :/
[05:47] <K-Ryan> Got too anoyying?
[05:47] <waylandbill> :-O
[05:47] <pip`> yea
[05:47] <K-Ryan> I knew it =P
[05:47] <JosefK> pip`: 'sudo rmmod pcspkr' - a less destructive option
[05:47] <pip`> heh
[05:47] <hamzor> can you say where to get binutils
[05:47] <hamzor> i think im missing it
[05:47] <Dr_willis> Heck most little speakers are built onto the MB these days.
[05:48] <K-Ryan> built in, but still plugged in
[05:48] <K-Ryan> pull the wire and it won't play
[05:48] <hamzor> i solved it :D
[05:48] <pip`> well let me try listening for beeps
[05:48] <JosefK> pip`: one single, relatively short beep indicates everything's fine
[05:48] <pip`> k
[05:48] <K-Ryan> That's why my computer beeps on startup?
[05:48] <JosefK> pip`: iirc it's always three for RAM, not sure about VGA issues though
[05:48] <K-Ryan> I thought it was to bother me...
[05:49] <K-Ryan> I've been through so much with this computer it's not funny
[05:49] <Dr_willis> thats to bother you. :)
[05:49] <pip`> no beeps but the cpufan is on
[05:49] <pip`> :(
[05:49] <K-Ryan> Well now we know it isn't your cpufan causing the trouble
[05:49] <K-Ryan> =P
[05:49] <JosefK> hmm, the CPU fan comes on just when the motherboard has power, doesn't indicate success/failure
[05:49] <Dr_willis> cpufan on - tells ya that at least the Powersupply isent totally dead. :)
[05:50] <Dr_willis> part of the PS could be dead.
[05:50] <K-Ryan> Can you hear the hard drives start to spin?
[05:50] <pip`> yes i can hear the drives
[05:50] <K-Ryan> Hrmm
[05:51] <fuel> hi how can i export the paths when kubuntu boots up ??? its not reading the .profile in my home.... any other way?
[05:51] <Dr_willis> fuel,  normally the .bash_profile and .bashrc are used.. not .profile
[05:51] <fuel> oh! i recently migrated from suse.......and it was .profile there
[05:52] <pip`> how easy is it in kubuntu to get into a video loop that might hurt the mobo or video card in general ?
[05:52] <Dr_willis> pip`,  next to impossible id say
[05:52] <pip`> ahh ok, so even a virus cudnt cause that kinda problem? ok
[05:52] <Dr_willis> its hard to do anything that can damage the  hardware.. (short of overclocking)
[05:52] <fuel> i installed sun' java
[05:52] <pip`> ahh ok
[05:52] <fuel> how do i remove gij ???? its not allowing me to do showing some dependency
[05:53] <Dr_willis> !info java
[05:53] <ubotu> Package java does not exist in any distro I know
[05:53] <Dr_willis> !java
[05:53] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[05:53] <K-Ryan> Anyone know what would cause Kubuntu to freeze every hour or so and require a reboot?
[05:53] <Dr_willis> fuel,  ive never had to remove that to get java working.
[05:53] <pip`> guess its just a coincidence i got all those annoying browser popups just before my problem
[05:54] <fuel> no the fact is gij and sun's are conflicting......... i installed sun's manually
[05:54] <fuel> from .bin->.deb
[05:54] <Dr_willis> fuel,  manually? egads... ya could of used the package manager
[05:54] <pip`> no i gotta shell out $$ for a new p4 mobo :(
[05:54] <pip`> now
[05:55] <Dr_willis> pip`,  ive seen comlete Linux box's for $100 US at some electronic places. :)
[05:55] <K-Ryan> Well you could always get something with minimum spec's then replace it with what you have in your current.
[05:55] <Dr_willis> heh - a Minimum spec system = 3x what i got now.
[05:55] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:55] <hamzor> how to stop and start xserver @ kubuntu
[05:56] <K-Ryan> Dr_willis what are you running?
[05:56] <K-Ryan> Hardware wise
[05:56] <Dr_willis> got an old amd64 at 2.3 ghz
[05:56] <K-Ryan> Oh you think that's old?
[05:56] <K-Ryan> I've got a 1.8ghz in mine =(
[05:56] <K-Ryan> Upgraded everything else though
[05:57] <JosefK> hamzor: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[05:57] <Dr_willis> its 2+ yrs old. :) i do have a decent video card - and 7 hd's .
[05:57] <K-Ryan> Mine is 5 years old =P
[05:57] <Dr_willis> my mythtv box is just a 1.8 ghx
[05:57] <hamzor> josefK wont work
[05:58] <K-Ryan> My specs are: 128 vid ram, 512 ram, 410gb of space on 2 HDDs(1 external 1 internal) and my 1.8ghz proccesor
[05:58] <K-Ryan> Can you tell I upgraded? =P
[05:58] <Dr_willis> i got 1.25 TB of drive space. :)
[05:58] <hamzor> mine is amd opteron 146, 2048mb RAM, 2x500Gb, Nvidia 7800GTX
[05:58] <K-Ryan> i dont need that much
[05:59] <JosefK> hamzor: well, that stops it - 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart' would just do a restart
[05:59] <hamzor> no
[05:59] <hamzor> that command dosen`t work on me
[05:59] <Dr_willis> use 'kdm' not gdm
[05:59] <JosefK> christ, sorry, forgot which *ubuntu I was in there
[05:59] <Dr_willis> or perhaps xdm
[05:59] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:00] <animimotus> hi
[06:00] <K-Ryan> That reminds me, why do people say *nix?
[06:00] <Dr_willis> to mean Unix and its variants
[06:01] <animimotus> I just want to control my cpu and hdd temperatures, what can I use please ?
[06:01] <borie> hello under dapper with a pcmcia wifi card ASUS WL-107G (it is a chipset RT2500); on my hostpoint I have 3 WPA modes : 1) TKIP;  2) AES/CCMP &  3) TKIP+AES;  FINALLY I succeeded to connect me on TKIP while following this french tutorial: http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/materiel/wifi/rt2500dapper; on the other hand impossible to connect in TKIP+AES  & it is the mode which is advised.ideas? (I am already too glad to be connected in WPA (: )
[06:01] <borie> 
[06:01] <K-Ryan> Ah, thanks Doc
[06:01] <JosefK> animimotus: fire and ice?
[06:01] <animimotus> JosefK: I don't know it, is it un QT ?
[06:02] <K-Ryan> animimotus I haven't heard of actually controlling the temperatures. I've seen monitoring programs though
[06:02] <K-Ryan> If that is what you are looking for
[06:02] <JosefK> animimotus: not quite ;) do you want to 'view' the temperatures, or control them?
[06:03] <JosefK> animimotus: if you want to view, KSysGuard is what you need, you could browse for ACPI Thermal Zones
[06:03] <animimotus> JosefK: I just want to view the temperature
[06:04] <animimotus> JosefK: I can't see temperature with conky, in fact I don't know if it supply it
[06:04] <JosefK> animimotus: ksysguard, browse 'localhost' on the left, then 'ACPI', then 'Thermal Zones'
[06:04] <JosefK> animimotus: check what sensors there are in there
[06:04] <K-Ryan> JosefK when I click local host nothing pops up, unless you mean on the right?
[06:05] <JosefK> K-Ryan: well, it's on the left here :/
[06:05] <cyanid3> I'm trying to add a new user.  The add is successful but I don't have access to X with the new one. What am I doing wrong??
[06:05] <K-Ryan> Oh, there we go, now it's working.
[06:06] <Daisuke_Ido> is the new user in the right groups?
[06:06] <cyanid3> I put it in the same groups that the default kubuntu created user was in
[06:06] <cyanid3> I'm banging my head right now...
[06:06] <K-Ryan> my local host doesn't have an ACPI JosefK, any idea?
[06:07] <animimotus> JosefK: no ACPI seems to be here
[06:07] <animimotus> K-Ryan: same problem :)
[06:07] <K-Ryan> Yeah
[06:08] <animimotus> $ cat /boot/grub/menu.lst | grep acpi
[06:08] <animimotus> # defoptions=quiet splash locale=fr_FR apm=off acpi=force
[06:08] <animimotus> kernel          /vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/sda7 ro quiet splash locale=fr_FR apm=off acpi=force
[06:08] <animimotus> acpi=force ? is it ok ?
[06:09] <JosefK> K-Ryan: old motherboard I guess :/ not sure where temperature information is if it isn't there, but ksysguard is the place to look
[06:09] <cyanid3> the groups that the user is in are: adm, admin, audio, cdrom, dialout, dip, floppy, lpadmin, plugdev, scanner, video
[06:09] <K-Ryan> Yeah it's no biggie, I didn't think my processor had a thermometer anyway =P
[06:11] <kde_alin> how does Intel GMA 900 video card works in Linux?
[06:12] <kde_alin> is there OpenGL support for it?
[06:12] <kde_alin> or should i have to compile the module for it?
[06:12] <K-Ryan> !opengl
[06:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about opengl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:12] <K-Ryan> Hrmm
[06:12] <kde_alin> whit what version of ATI video card could you compare?
[06:13] <kde_alin> with
[06:13] <K-Ryan> ATI's don't completly work with Linux
[06:13] <K-Ryan> Uses a different thing
[06:13] <Lynoure> K-Ryan: Some of them do.
[06:13] <kde_alin> I know that k-ryan
[06:13] <K-Ryan> Why would you compare it then?
[06:14] <cyanid3> Could the fact that I don't have the files .Xauthority and .ICEauthority in a new users home directory be preventing them from using X?
[06:14] <mineur> !samba
[06:14] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[06:14] <kde_alin> i have to choose betwen a laptop with ATI X200 and another with Intel GMA 900
[06:14] <cyanid3> nevermind
[06:15] <Lynoure> K-Ryan: Go look at some benchmarks for the cards you are considering. I think I was comparing Radeon X600 and intel GMA 950, and choose the X600, which also works with open source drivers quite well
[06:15] <kde_alin> thanx
[06:15] <K-Ryan> kde_alin needs to know, not me =P
[06:15] <Lynoure> K-Ryan: oops, got you people wrong way around :)
[06:15] <K-Ryan> It's okey
[06:15] <pip`> Kafka..
[06:19] <Morrissey> hi, anyone know how I can get full 800dpi for an MX Revolution? The Logitech MX Revolution mouse? :)
[06:22] <slougi> hey all, someone wanna help me out a bit with zeroconf? when I run mdns-scan in a console it finds all the services, but the kde zeroconf:/ ioslave is not working. any ideas on how to fix this?
[06:25] <sergio_> ol
[06:25] <wimpies> Hi all, when I set the keyboard repeat rate, apply, stop the system manager and start it again the settings are gone.  How can save these settings ?
[06:28] <sergio_> Ol para todos, algum fala portugus a
[06:28] <BluesKaj> !pt
[06:28] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[06:31] <washington> ol
[06:31] <sergio_> ol washington
[06:31] <K-Ryan> !pt
[06:31] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[06:31] <K-Ryan> !es
[06:31] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[06:32] <washington>  forro moral
[06:33] <sandra__> OL
[06:33] <K-Ryan> !es
[06:33] <washington> forro moral
[06:33] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[06:33] <K-Ryan> !pt
[06:33] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[06:33] <sergio_> ol tia
[06:33] <sandra__> RSRSRS
[06:33] <washington> cocao
[06:33] <sandra__> TIA  O TEU...
[06:33] <washington> 2007 o ano do coquim
[06:34] <K-Ryan> Can someone tell them that this is the English only channel?
[06:35] <sandra__> TEM ALGUEM QUE POSSA CONV COMIGO QUE NO SEJA AS BIBAS DO MEU TRAB?
[06:35] <sandra__> DIGA LA GOSTOSO
[06:35] <ismael_> ola
[06:35] <Jucato> sandra__: English please
[06:35] <Daisuke_Ido> !pt | sandra__
[06:36] <ubotu> sandra__: Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[06:36] <sergio_> ismael
[06:36] <ismael_> muita  boa
[06:36] <K-Ryan> I already posted that twice
[06:36] <K-Ryan> They aren't going there
[06:36] <sandra__> VC ACHA ?
[06:36] <Jucato> !pt
[06:36] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[06:36] <Daisuke_Ido> i noticed :\
[06:36] <K-Ryan> and sandra is using all caps -.-
[06:36] <ismael_> fico so imaginando
[06:37] <sandra__> N FIQUE ASSIM AMIGUINHO FAA ...
[06:37] <ismael_> kkkkkkkkkk
[06:37] <Jucato> they have the same IP address... how amusing
[06:37] <ismael_> serginho ta por ai
[06:37] <K-Ryan> they are using this to chat amongst themselves
[06:37] <Jucato> ismael_, sandra__ this is an English-only channel.
[06:37] <PINPON__> TEM CORAGEM?
[06:37] <K-Ryan> they aren't listening they aren't even here for Kubuntu
[06:37] <PINPON__> ISMAEL
[06:37] <K-Ryan> Gotta kick em or something
[06:37] <freekkk> greetings out there
[06:38] <freekkk> is there any big german channel?
[06:38] <PINPON__> ESTOU COM UMA IMPRESSO QUE VC  UM MORENO CHOCOLATE!
[06:38] <K-Ryan> !de
[06:38] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[06:38] <PINPON__>   VERDADE?
[06:39] <freekkk> thx
[06:39] <freekkk> !de
[06:39] <PINPON__> ISMAEl?
[06:39] <PINPON__> VC TA AI?
[06:39] <Jucato> PINPON__: stop it
[06:40] <sergio_> ESTOU AQUI
[06:40] <PINPON__> KD ELE?
[06:40] <PINPON__> ISMAELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
[06:40] <PINPON__> KD VC
[06:42] <K-Ryan> PINPON__, sergio_ ENGLISH
[06:42] <inteliwasp> how can i make ssh accept a new key from a known good server?
[06:43] <mark__o> i'm trying to copy /home from one HD over /home on another HD. I'm on a live CD and right now it won't let me modify files of mounted HD's. Says owner and group are "1000"
[06:43] <pip`> which is buggier? ubuntu or kubuntu ?
[06:44] <K-Ryan> i dont think they are buggy at all
[06:44] <Thehound666> ku by a little IMO
[06:44] <K-Ryan> Although I haven't really used Ubuntu
[06:44] <Thehound666> but an thee are, mr
[06:44] <pip`> ok
[06:44] <ismael_> dia zmacho
[06:44] <ismael_> eu quero  comer
[06:44] <ismael_> .........
[06:44] <ismael_> melancia
[06:44] <Thehound666> all of them are minor
[06:45] <Thehound666> *
[06:45] <K-Ryan> ismael_ English
[06:45] <Thehound666> why that came onot sure
[06:46] <Gilton> ola
[06:46] <K-Ryan> !es
[06:46] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[06:46] <K-Ryan> !pt
[06:46] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[06:46] <sergio_> OLA GILTON
[06:46] <Gilton> oxe
[06:46] <K-Ryan> ENGLISH
[06:46] <sergio_> VC CONVERSA COM VARIAS PESSOA EM TODO O MUNDO
[06:46] <K-Ryan> Someone help me out here
[06:47] <Gilton> legal
[06:47] <sergio_> LEGAL
[06:47] <K-Ryan> #kubuntu = English ONLY
[06:47] <Jucato> sergio_, ismael_, PINPON__ this will be your last warning. speak in English or take your chat elsewhere
[06:47] <Jucato> that goes for you too Gilton
[06:47] <Jucato> !pt
[06:47] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[06:47] <K-Ryan> Jucato they aren't even talking about Kubuntu
[06:48] <Jucato> K-Ryan: I know
[06:48] <hassan2a> !pt
[06:48] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[06:48] <hassan2a> !pty
[06:48] <hassan2a> !pyt
[06:48] <hassan2a> !pt
[06:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pty - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:48] <hassan2a> !pt
[06:48] <hassan2a> !pt
[06:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pyt - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:48] <Jucato> hassan2a: stop that
[06:49] <hassan2a> stop what ?
[06:49] <Jucato> !fishing
[06:49] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[06:49] <crusty> hi everyone! need to convert avi in to wmv.....what program do i need to i install? got kubuntu 6.10. meny thanks!
[06:49] <Thehound666> ok this should work
[06:49] <Thehound666> damn mangled packets
[06:49] <Thehound666> contacted my host before on that
[06:49] <Thehound666> ok I seem fine
[06:51] <esteuson> OLA
[06:51] <sergio_> diz esteuson
[06:51] <K-Ryan> Jucato it's another one =/
[06:51] <sergio_>  legal
[06:52] <esteuson> OBESTEIRA
[06:52] <K-Ryan> Another one!
[06:52] <K-Ryan> Oh, same one as before...
[06:53] <cyber-hazard> 30 seconds in the channel and banning is happening. looks to be entertaining :)
[06:53] <K-Ryan> These guys are speaking portuguese(excuse my spelling) and have been for the past 10-15 minutes
[06:53] <K-Ryan> They aren't even talking about Kubuntu...
[06:54] <cyber-hazard> hehe
[06:54] <K-Ryan> Jucato: Don't like being labeled as operator?
[06:54] <Jucato> K-Ryan: it's an Ubuntu policy
[06:54] <K-Ryan> Ah, didn't know.
[06:55] <cyber-hazard> no one should have to go through being an op. constant outcries, "Op me! Op me!" /me shudders
[06:55] <Jucato> "Don't stay +o for long: After you did what you needed the operator privileges for, de-op yourself again. Staying +o for long times is not really useful (and you'll attract all questions - which may not be what you want)."
[06:55] <K-Ryan> Anyway I was going to say "I don't blame you"
[06:57] <K-Ryan> Jucato why do most of their names still show in the user list?
[06:57] <Jucato> I didn't kick them :)
[06:58] <K-Ryan> Hah!
[06:58] <cyber-hazard> i think my favourite part of kubuntu thus far is the big X logo for a screensaver :P
[06:58] <K-Ryan> X screensaver? I don't think I saw that one...
[06:58] <cyber-hazard> sure it has something to do with me not configuring it. but it's just so....minimalist
[06:58] <Daisuke_Ido> cyber-hazard: correct, there are a lot more than just that
[06:58] <cyber-hazard> K-Ryan: it's the only one I've seen so far
[06:59] <cyber-hazard> Daisuke_Ido: yeah, just too lazy to fix it. other than dealing with my iPod, I'm usually in cli
[07:00] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm a gui boy myself, but that's mostly from being a windows convert
[07:00] <Daisuke_Ido> so yes, i was one of the unwashed masses for a long time ;)
[07:00] <K-Ryan> I get a kick out of the pendulum screensaver
[07:00] <kaoz> Hallo
[07:00] <K-Ryan> Hi there
[07:01] <cyber-hazard> yeah. I love GUI's, don't get my wrong. my KDE is all tricked out with crazy effects and what not. but Kubuntu is on my laptop, so it's mostly for cli since it can't handle crazy effects
[07:01] <cyber-hazard> my workstation here at the office, however (what I'm on right now), is all configured. too many shells and RDP connections open to not be in GUI :)
[07:03] <rodrigo> hola
[07:03] <cyber-hazard> speaking of converts, I'm actually a gentoo convert. hence the cli :P
[07:03] <cyber-hazard> hey there, rodrigo
[07:04] <rodrigo> hola que tal
[07:04] <K-Ryan> !es
[07:04] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[07:04] <cyber-hazard> oh, hehe
[07:04] <K-Ryan> =P
[07:04] <rodrigo> ok!!! hi
[07:04] <rodrigo> i am from argentina
[07:05] <cyber-hazard> sorry, I live in Southern California. So even if we see a "hola" it's usually just an english speaker :P
[07:05] <K-Ryan> I figured
[07:05] <rodrigo> sorry
[07:05] <K-Ryan> It's okay, it's just easier to get help in your language from people who speak it
[07:06] <rodrigo> who knows about beryl
[07:06] <K-Ryan> !beryl | rodrigo
[07:06] <ubotu> rodrigo: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[07:06] <cyber-hazard> that bot is just plain handy
[07:06] <K-Ryan> It's great
[07:06] <Jucato> K-Ryan: btw, not everyone who comes in here with hola, ola, or bonjour actually don't speak English... some actually just like to come in greeting like that...
[07:06] <rodrigo> ok, soo i need the drivers nvidia
[07:06] <K-Ryan> Jucato I know
[07:06] <K-Ryan> But I figured an offer is nice =P
[07:07] <Jucato> rodrigo: yes
[07:07] <K-Ryan> !nvidia
[07:07] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:07] <K-Ryan> =)
[07:07] <Jucato> anyway, time to hit the sack
[07:07] <cyber-hazard> hahah
[07:07] <cyber-hazard> that's awesome!
[07:07] <K-Ryan> Cya Jucato
[07:07] <cyber-hazard> g'night, Jucato
[07:07] <Jucato> g'night! and behave :P
[07:07] <K-Ryan> Wait Jucato
[07:07] <rodrigo> i ask because i am new in linux
[07:08] <K-Ryan> What about that guys name?
[07:08] <Jucato> K-Ryan: huh?
[07:08] <K-Ryan> Isn't that breaking some policy rule?
[07:08] <K-Ryan> Using the name "administrador"
[07:08] <Jucato> nope
[07:08] <K-Ryan> Just making sure
[07:08] <Jucato> :)
[07:08] <K-Ryan> Continue on with you're hitting the hay.
[07:08] <K-Ryan> *your
[07:08] <cyber-hazard> hehe
[07:08] <Jucato> if someone comes in with "root" or "root_"... just warn them not to go online as root
[07:09] <cyber-hazard> yeah
[07:09] <K-Ryan> What's wrong with that?
[07:09] <Jucato> specially on IRC
[07:09] <LjL> everything's wrong with it
[07:09] <K-Ryan> I don't get it
[07:09] <cyber-hazard> yeah, quite a bit
[07:09] <Jucato> K-Ryan: you're basically exposing yourself to everyone :)
[07:09] <LjL> why would you ever do something like going to IRC as *root*? that's utterly stupid
[07:09] <Daisuke_Ido> going online as root?  it's an open invitation "hey!  use me!  i have permission to do EVERYTHING!"
[07:09] <cyber-hazard> if their username is root, that means you're logged in an connected as root
[07:09] <cyber-hazard> yeah
[07:10] <cyber-hazard> basically what they both said, though LjL was a little more realistic and Daisuke_Ido was a little more helpful :P
[07:10] <K-Ryan> I still don't get how if their name is root, it's bad.
[07:10] <cyber-hazard> cause if their name is root then they are just using their login name as their nick by default
[07:10] <LjL> it's not
[07:10] <LjL> but if the nickname's root, chances are it's because they're logged in as such
[07:10] <Jucato> K-Ryan: most of the time, the IRC client uses the user's username as the default IRC nick
[07:10] <thybo> hmm
[07:10] <thybo> irc://irc.kaffeinenet.com/nubuntu
[07:11] <K-Ryan> Mhm, but I still don't get how "root" tells everyone else your info.
[07:11] <Jucato> so if you launch an IRC client as root, it will get the root's user name ("root") as the default nick
[07:11] <Jucato> K-Ryan: it's not about telling everyone your info
[07:11] <cyber-hazard> K-Ryan: it's about telling everyone that you're vulnerable
[07:11] <Daisuke_Ido> K-Ryan: it doesn't, directly, but it tells them that you're logged in as root (most likely) and are therefore vulnerable
[07:11] <Daisuke_Ido> wow
[07:11] <Daisuke_Ido> stereo
[07:11] <K-Ryan> Still don't get it =/
[07:11] <cyber-hazard> IRC isn't really the most friendly environement
[07:11] <K-Ryan> I know that
[07:11] <Random_Transit> anyone here ever tried setting up a WebDAV server on ubuntu?
[07:12] <K-Ryan> I mean I get how it's bad, but telling someone your username, that's bad?
[07:12] <cyber-hazard> no
[07:12] <Jucato> K-Ryan: it's not about telling people your username...
[07:12] <Daisuke_Ido> it's not about the username
[07:12] <K-Ryan> Then what does it tell them?
[07:12] <K-Ryan> >.<
[07:12] <cyber-hazard> it's about programs running with specific permissions
[07:12] <Daisuke_Ido> it's about what a root account is capable of
[07:12] <cyber-hazard> if you are logged in to IRC as root, that means the IRC program is running as root
[07:12] <Jucato> K-Ryan: when someone goes online with the "root" nick, most often than not it means that he is running the IRC client or going online as the root user
[07:13] <cyber-hazard> if the program is running as root, it has permissions just like the root user does
[07:13] <K-Ryan> What could they do with it though? o.O
[07:13] <Jucato> it's not about the nick. it's about the (system) user account
[07:13] <cyber-hazard> if someone can comprimise your client (not hard through most IRC clients) then they can do whatever they want
[07:13] <Jucato> K-Ryan: to the knowledgeable? a lot
[07:13] <Daisuke_Ido> and you don't want to go online as the root user (minimize the attack vectors, if you want to be pseudo-technical about it)
[07:13] <cyber-hazard> starts with simple things like opening your cd tray to get a laugh
[07:13] <Jucato> specially if you use port 6667 to connect, which means DCC is enabled
[07:14] <cyber-hazard> ends up with bad things like #rm -rf /
[07:14] <K-Ryan> Could that be why my computer keeps freezing?
[07:14] <Jucato> K-Ryan: heh no
[07:14] <K-Ryan> I mean this isn't my root nick
[07:14] <cyber-hazard> haha
[07:14] <K-Ryan> But
[07:14] <K-Ryan> Every once in a while Kubuntu locks up
[07:14] <LjL> K-Ryan, try to look at it from another point of view - why do you think there exist accounts that are *not* root?
[07:14] <cyber-hazard> K-Ryan: i had problems with Kubuntu my last time I installed like that. actually shelved it for a while cause of it. I reinstalled though and now it's fine. no idea what the issue was
[07:15] <Jucato> K-Ryan: nope. don't develop conspiracy theories :)
[07:15] <K-Ryan> Right now it seems to be fine so I'm okay.
[07:15] <Jucato> K-Ryan: as long as you don't go online as the root user/administrator (sudo, in Ubuntu), you're practically safe
[07:15] <DerPlanlose> Is firestarter a good firewall for kubuntu ???
[07:15] <K-Ryan> So Jucato, don't open IRC through the terminal? =P
[07:15] <LjL> probably DerPlanlose, but for KDE there's alternatives
[07:16] <LjL> !guarddog
[07:16] <ubotu> guarddog: firewall configuration utility for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.5.0-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 476 kB, installed size 1424 kB
[07:16] <Jucato> K-Ryan: no... you can launch GUI apps as root with kdesu
[07:16] <DerPlanlose> have i to config iptables for guarddog ?
[07:16] <K-Ryan> I'm not sure I get it, but it's ok
[07:16] <K-Ryan> You can go to bed now =P
[07:16] <blue|palm> I have had a bad experience installing kubuntu, one where i am able to install it succesfully but then it wont boot!!! can anybody assist?
[07:16] <cyber-hazard> K-Ryan: if you'd like, we can discuss in PMs
[07:17] <K-Ryan> bluejpalm are you getting any error?
[07:17] <LjL> K-Ryan: uh? you can open an IRC client from the terminal, and still it's not root, as long as you don't tell it to be
[07:17] <blue|palm> no none at all
[07:17] <LjL> root has nothing much to do with terminals
[07:17] <K-Ryan> Do you have another OS on yoru computer?
[07:17] <blue|palm> it freezes during booting actually
[07:17] <blue|palm> yes
[07:17] <K-Ryan> *your
[07:17] <blue|palm> winxp x64
[07:17] <K-Ryan> Did you install it after installing Kubuntu?
[07:17] <blue|palm> before
[07:17] <DerPlanlose> how could i access my ntfs windows partition ?
[07:17] <blue|palm> i have 2 hdds
[07:17] <cyber-hazard> blue|palm: what part of the boot do you get dropped at?
[07:18] <K-Ryan> DerPlanlose if it is mounted you can read it but can't save on it or change anything.
[07:18] <LjL> blue|palm: could it not be trying to boot the wrong one? check in the BIOS
[07:18] <cyber-hazard> DerPlanlose: do you know which partition the windows is? hda1,2,3?
[07:18] <michaelpo> how do i cd into my ext hdd? cd\media\mobile hdd doesnot work
[07:18] <blue|palm> I get frozen at the blue "kubuntu" text and blue loading bar
[07:18] <blue|palm> it doesnt load at all
[07:18] <DerPlanlose> K-Ryan i cant edit or change enything ? what about my mp3s for example ?
[07:18] <K-Ryan> So you're past picking Windows or Kubuntu?
[07:18] <blue|palm> Grub works properly... and xp boots perfectly fine
[07:18] <K-Ryan> DerPlanlose you can only read it
[07:19] <cyber-hazard> michaelpo: probably something like $sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/external && cd /mnt/external
[07:19] <LjL> blue|palm: hm, at the Grub menu, hit "e" to edit the command line. "e" again, and remove "quiet" and "splash". that way, at least, you should see where it's getting stuck
[07:19] <rodrigo> thanks
[07:19] <DerPlanlose> shit ;-)
[07:19] <blue|palm> thanks
[07:19] <LjL> blue|palm: oh, then "b" to boot
[07:19] <blue|palm> oh ok
[07:19] <DerPlanlose> like kubuntu soo much much better then windows ;-(
[07:19] <cyber-hazard> DerPlanlose: you can still play mp3's
[07:19] <K-Ryan> You just can't edit or delete them.
[07:19] <DerPlanlose> what to do make aonother fat partition for mp3s ?
[07:19] <K-Ryan> Actually, can you delete off NTFS? Didn't try deleting..
[07:19] <cyber-hazard> DerPlanlose: you can also do that
[07:19] <LjL> blue|palm: if it says it can't find the root filesystem, then i guess it got something wrong with your HDs, and it's trying to look for the filesystem in hda while it's really in hdb, or viceversa
[07:19] <pip`> DerPlan, yes isnt it great ?!
[07:20] <blue|palm> one more thing, when i boot into recovery mode... i get straight into a root@desktop command line
[07:20] <Dr_willis> theres support for read/write to ntfs - but theres alwas a risk.
[07:20] <LjL> blue|palm: otherwise... well, make a note of the errors (or the point it gets stuck at), and ask
[07:20] <blue|palm> ok
[07:20] <cyber-hazard> there is a kernel module for editing NTFS that you can compile in
[07:20] <DerPlanlose> yes i had suse before a year but i dont liked it really *G*
[07:20] <cyber-hazard> says it's stable, but I haven't tested it yet
[07:20] <blue|palm> ok thanks guys. ill do that now
[07:20] <Dr_willis> or the FUSE tools for ntfs i hear
[07:20] <LjL> blue|palm: hm, that's right in recovery mode - would seem to rule out the filesystem problem, i think
[07:20] <K-Ryan> DerPlanlose Fat32 works with Windows and Kubuntu so if you want to change back and forth, that's your best bet.
[07:20] <blue|palm> ok
[07:20] <michaelpo> how do i cd into my ext hdd? cd\media\mobilehd does not work
[07:21] <LjL> michaelpo: cd /media/mobilehd
[07:21] <DerPlanlose> K-Ryan ohh that means i need a new/bigger arddsik ;-)
[07:21] <cyber-hazard> michaelpo: is it mounted correctly?
[07:21] <|Daisuke_Ido|> michaelpo: cd /media/mobilehd
[07:21] <DerPlanlose> thx 4 ya help
[07:21] <K-Ryan> Wait
[07:21] <DerPlanlose> ?
[07:21] <K-Ryan> DerPlanlose you can resize partitions through a Live CD
[07:21] <K-Ryan> Add/Remove/Delete/Resize
[07:21] <DerPlanlose> cuz i cant copy the files temporary anywhere
[07:21] <K-Ryan> But if you have extra space you can trim it and paste the mp3's in there
[07:22] <DerPlanlose> yeah but i have at leasst 10gb free and 110gb data ;-)
[07:22] <LjL> !convertfs | DerPlanlose
[07:22] <ubotu> convertfs: in-place filesystem conversion. In component universe, is extra. Version 20050113-1 (edgy), package size 16 kB, installed size 116 kB
[07:22] <DerPlanlose> not 110mp3s ;-(
[07:22] <LjL> (warning, can be dangerous)
[07:22] <cyber-hazard> LjL: wow, never heard of that, that's awesome
[07:22] <DerPlanlose> hehe
[07:22] <michaelpo> |Daisuke_Ido|: actually it is MOBILE HD
[07:22] <DerPlanlose> LjL ill google for it
[07:23] <LjL> cyber-hazard: read the documentation though - it actually *can* be dangerous, not just in the "if-power-goes-out" kind of scenario
[07:23] <michaelpo> bash: cd: /media/MOBILE: No such file or directory
[07:23] <cyber-hazard> LjL: yeah, sounds like something that can be bad. not planning on running out and toying with it in production :P but still a neat little toy
[07:23] <LjL> DerPlanlose, i think almost everything there is to know (i.e. how it works, and that it's dangerous) can be found without any googling
[07:23] <michaelpo> cd /media/MOBILE HD
[07:23] <michaelpo> bash: cd: /media/MOBILE: No such file or directory
[07:23] <cyber-hazard> google = awesome
[07:24] <|Daisuke_Ido|> michaelpo: cd /media/MOBILE\ HD
[07:24] <|Daisuke_Ido|> i think
[07:24] <LjL> yeah
[07:24] <cyber-hazard> michaelpo: spaces aren't allowed
[07:24] <DerPlanlose> LjL hehe
[07:24] <LjL> or cd "/media/MOBILE HD"
[07:24] <cyber-hazard> cd into media and type ls to see what there is
[07:24] <cyber-hazard> then you can always type cd mob and then hit tab
[07:24] <akrus_> hm
[07:24] <cyber-hazard> tab completion is your friend if you don't know the syntax of a directory
[07:24] <akrus_> I'm not able to remove/install python-xlib package
[07:24] <akrus_> it's annoying x_X
[07:24] <LjL> michaelpo: linux filesystems 1) are case sensitive 2) separate directories with /, not \ and 3) the shell doesn't accept filenames with spaces, unless you quote them or escape them
[07:24] <cyber-hazard> akrus_: are you trying to remove or install it?
[07:25] <akrus> cyber-hazard: anything
[07:25] <akrus> it does not install or remove anyway :)
[07:25] <cyber-hazard> akrus: well, you won't be able to remove it if it's not instaleld :P
[07:25] <bxnp> hi everybody i upgraded kde from 3.5.3 to 3.5.5 but now usb automounting is not working anymore anyone encountered this problem
[07:25] <akrus> it's installed
[07:25] <akrus> just it's about to upgrade
[07:25] <akrus> but upgrade does not work as well as remove
[07:25] <DerPlanlose> hmm one more question if i put a folder with programms in /usr/bin 4 example, there is no like in windows a path entry, why didtn it work for folders in bin ?
[07:25] <cyber-hazard> akrus: it might be a dependent of something else
[07:26] <akrus> nah
[07:26] <LjL> DerPlanlose: eh?
[07:26] <akrus> __main__.PyCentralError: package has no field Python-Version
[07:26] <akrus> post-intallation returned error code 1
[07:26] <DerPlanlose> for example /usr/bin/nefolder/programm    if i write programm in the bash i cant execute it
[07:26] <cyber-hazard> akrus: out of my knowledge of ubuntu for the moment, sorry :(
[07:26] <LjL> akrus: is that k3d?
[07:26] <akrus> > /var/cache/apt/archives/python-xlib_0.12-5.1ubuntu2_all.deb
[07:26] <DerPlanlose> only if the programm directly is in the bin folder
[07:27] <DerPlanlose> or i have to cahcne directory first ;-(
[07:27] <cyber-hazard> DerPlanlose: unless you put /usr/bin/nefolder/programm into the path
[07:27] <DerPlanlose> yes but each new folder
[07:27] <DerPlanlose> i have to put in the path ??
[07:27] <cyber-hazard> type $ export PATH=$PATH:/usr/bin/nefolder/programm
[07:27] <cyber-hazard> yeah
[07:27] <DerPlanlose> is there no better way ?
[07:27] <LjL> DerPlanlose: yes. but don't do that.
[07:27] <LjL> DerPlanlose: to start with, you should NEVER put stuff in /usr/bin manually.
[07:27] <cyber-hazard> the path is how the OS knows where to find commands
[07:27] <LjL> use /usr/local/bin, if anything
[07:27] <DerPlanlose> is there no option for working with folders ? ;-P
[07:28] <LjL> and if you want to organize programs by directories (i.e. everything related to a program in one directory), use /opt
[07:28] <DerPlanlose> if i use tools in the terminal i dont wann to switch directorys each time
[07:28] <michaelpo> it works!!! thanks... cd /media/cd MOBILE\ HD/   then wine startportableapps.exe
[07:28] <DerPlanlose> LjL and it works in opt that i could access the programm directly ?
[07:28] <DerPlanlose> sorry for my bad englisch , me is from germany
[07:29] <DerPlanlose> ;-P
[07:29] <K-Ryan> !de
[07:29] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[07:29] <K-Ryan> If you want
[07:29] <DerPlanlose> nice
[07:29] <DerPlanlose> ;-)
[07:29] <LjL> DerPlanlose: no, not automatically. why don't you, for instance, just create symlinks in a directory that is in the path? still, anyway, you *should not ever* mess with /usr
[07:30] <DerPlanlose> ohh sweet thank you ubotu ;-P
[07:30] <LjL> actually, you should never touch any directory except /home and /etc manually
[07:30] <DerPlanlose> hehe
[07:30] <DerPlanlose> LjL lol why this ?
[07:30] <LjL> DerPlanlose: because /usr is under the control of APT, and it's not supposed to be messed with manually
[07:30] <DerPlanlose> i wondered first time i saw that all folders was hidden
[07:30] <LjL>  /usr/local, on the other hand, is. and so is /opt
[07:31] <DerPlanlose> mkay
[07:31] <LjL> DerPlanlose: yeah, that's as a way to discourage you from touching them. it was a failure anyway - but the fact that you shouldn't touch them remains
[07:31] <bxnp> hi everybody i upgraded kde from 3.5.3 to 3.5.5 but now usb automounting is not working anymore anyone encountered this problem
[07:32] <akrus> nano /var/lib/dpkg/status and the problem is fixed xD
[07:32] <DerPlanlose> could i put kubuntu on usb stick ? how much mb i need for ?
[07:32] <LjL> DerPlanlose: you can. how much space you need, depends...
[07:32] <DerPlanlose> with minimal packets
[07:32] <DerPlanlose> without open office
[07:32] <LjL> at least about 400Mb, for a console-only install
[07:33] <DerPlanlose> just with few tools *G* etwork tools
[07:33] <DerPlanlose> mediaplayer and so on
[07:33] <K-Ryan> Kubuntu takes about 2GB for a normal install if I'm not mistaken
[07:33] <DerPlanlose> no i wanna have kde ** i tried nubuntu.org but its too small *G*
[07:33] <LjL> DerPlanlose: then about 2GB or more, yes
[07:33] <DerPlanlose> wow
[07:33] <cyber-hazard> i wasn't given an option on configuring the install for kubuntu 6.10
[07:33] <cyber-hazard> :(
[07:34] <cyber-hazard> had to go and rip out a bunch of packages on my own after the install
[07:34] <LjL> akrus: i can't find that problem in python-xlib, however i was aware of a problem with the same error in k3d... you might still find some information in the bug report perhaps (and the related ones) - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3d/+bug/64848
[07:34] <K-Ryan> the barrage package is fun =)
[07:34] <DerPlanlose> lol could anybody told me why its so difficult to install vlc in linux ? you need x libs to install all manually takes 30mins to isntall vlc ;-P
[07:35] <LjL> eh?
[07:35] <LjL> i type sudo apt-get install vlc to install vlc
[07:35] <cyber-hazard> haha
[07:35] <DerPlanlose> yes if you wanna install vlc he need very much dependents
[07:35] <LjL> yeah, it surely has dependencies. are you intending to use VLC without X?
[07:35] <Dr_willis> ive never had any issues installing vlc
[07:35] <DerPlanlose> he mean he need this and this and in apt-manager it dont find vlc ???
[07:36] <Dr_willis> !info vlc
[07:36] <ubotu> vlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1120 kB, installed size 3240 kB
[07:36] <Dr_willis> its in 'universe' he needs that repo enabled.
[07:36] <DerPlanlose> yeah but then
[07:36] <DerPlanlose> i need soo much libs
[07:36] <Dr_willis> DerPlanlose,  so....
[07:36] <DerPlanlose> hmm weird
[07:36] <bxnp> !info libhal1
[07:36] <ubotu> libhal1: Hardware Abstraction Layer - shared library. In component main, is optional. Version 0.5.7.1-0ubuntu17 (edgy), package size 157 kB, installed size 240 kB
[07:36] <LjL> DerPlanlose: you should have 'xlibs' and whatever already installed, unless for some reason you don't have X
[07:36] <LjL> DerPlanlose: what dependencies does it ask for, *exactly*?
[07:36] <DerPlanlose> no x it was about codecs and stuff like that
[07:37] <DerPlanlose> http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/graphics/vlc look here
[07:37] <DerPlanlose> all the files
[07:37] <Dr_willis> the win32 codecs will help vlc play more files.
[07:37] <LjL> DerPlanlose: well, you said that... anyway, which dependencies?
[07:37] <LjL> DerPlanlose: no, not really - that's the *complete* list of the dependencies
[07:37] <LjL> i want to know which ones are being installed on *your* system
[07:37] <DerPlanlose> no i dont need all
[07:37] <DerPlanlose> but about 20 ??
[07:38] <LjL> yeah. which ones?
[07:38] <DerPlanlose> dont remember exactly
[07:38] <Dr_willis> I would guess that most of them are allready installed.
[07:38] <Dr_willis> 20 is rather... low actually . :)
[07:38] <DerPlanlose> i wondersd why is dthere no package like in windows the setup exe wich installs all oine deb file or tar.gz
[07:38] <LjL> it would certainly need to install wx and gtk, if it's on a Kubuntu system
[07:38] <LjL> DerPlanlose: ...sorry again?
[07:39] <LjL> you want something more *complicated*? suit yourself
[07:39] <LjL> i'm sure there's a binary on the VLC website
[07:39] <DerPlanlose> hehehe
[07:39] <K-Ryan> Hey guys, why is a nonfree package in Adept for download?
[07:39] <DerPlanlose> now it works after 30mins istnall tiem
[07:39] <Dr_willis> WIndows isent Linux.. and Linux isent windows.
[07:39] <DerPlanlose> yeah and vista suckz
[07:39] <DerPlanlose> ;-P
[07:39] <Dr_willis> the idea of self installing .exe's leads to many many problems.
[07:39] <LjL> DerPlanlose, i really can't understand why you'd rather have something that you download from the web (and then hope it works) rather than just type "apt-get install vlc". it installs dependencies, sure, but that's because they're NEEDED
[07:40] <LjL> it doesn't just installed them to make you wait
[07:40] <Dr_willis> such as every .exe package including libs and stuff that you may allready have installed.. so you end up redownloading the same stuff over and over.
[07:40] <DerPlanlose> yes and i have installed them all manually ;-(
[07:40] <LjL> these are the dependencies it should normally install on a Kubuntu system anyway - http://apt.byethost14.com/?repo=Edgy&arch=x86&package=vlc&have=kubuntu-desktop'
[07:40] <LjL> http://apt.byethost14.com/?repo=Edgy&arch=x86&package=vlc&have=kubuntu-desktop that is
[07:40] <K-Ryan> !bsdgames-nonfree
[07:40] <ubotu> bsdgames-nonfree: rogue, the classic dungeon exploration game. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2.17-1 (edgy), package size 127 kB, installed size 300 kB
[07:40] <LjL> total size, 12 megs. obviously, that'll be mostly due to the GTK libraries i suppose
[07:40] <K-Ryan> Guys, why would that be availible for download?
[07:40] <paulcarpenter> why is that such a problem?
[07:41] <LjL> DerPlanlose: manually..?
[07:41] <LjL> why manually?
[07:41] <paulcarpenter> the multiverse is meant to have non-free pakages in it.
[07:41] <K-Ryan> But isn't that illegal? Downloading something that isn't free for free?
[07:41] <DerPlanlose> hrhr
[07:41] <paulcarpenter> no
[07:41] <LjL> Ubotu, tell K-Ryan about free | K-Ryan, see the private message from Ubotu
[07:41] <LjL> "non-free" doesn't mean "non gratis"
[07:41] <DerPlanlose> i have to go , thnak you guys for ya help
[07:42] <LjL> DerPlanlose, come back when you want to get a clue how the packaging system works - i don't think you've quite got it. especially if you installed the VLC dependencies manually.
[07:42] <Dr_willis> its non-gpl
[07:43] <paulcarpenter> Dr_willis, non-free doesn't non gpl either
[07:43] <paulcarpenter> *doesn't mean
[07:43] <Dr_willis> its just a 'name' they used to catagorize things actually :) so ya could put ya porn in there too i guess!
[07:43] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:43] <paulcarpenter> lol
[07:44] <K-Ryan> I don't get it
[07:44] <Dr_willis>  gpl = free I guess.. all else thats not comercial goes in non-free ?
[07:44] <Dr_willis> rest goes ... somewher.. heck i dont know. :)
[07:44] <Dr_willis> i enabled them all anyway
[07:44] <K-Ryan> well if the package says -nonfree, I'm not allowed to download it, right?
[07:44] <Dr_willis> K-Ryan,  Incorrect
[07:44] <paulcarpenter> you can have libre but not GPL
[07:44] <K-Ryan> That's what I wanted to know
[07:44] <LjL> paulcarpenter: rougly speaking, something's defined as "free software" if you can modify the source and redistribute the (modified) source freely, as long as you don't touch the license. that's
[07:44] <paulcarpenter> I know
[07:44] <Dr_willis> its NON-free in the terms of the definition of whats called 'Free'
[07:45] <LjL> *very* roughly speaking (various distributions have different definitions of "free")
[07:45] <K-Ryan> Okay okay
[07:45] <K-Ryan> I don't have to pay anything for it, correct?
[07:45] <Dr_willis> Java was free to download.. but not 'free' untill recently.
[07:45] <LjL> K-Ryan: depends
[07:45] <paulcarpenter> but you can do all that with lisences other than GPL.
[07:45] <K-Ryan> I get the whole "free" thing, what I meant was price not actual freedom
[07:45] <LjL> K-Ryan: some stuff that is in multiverse is non-free in the sense that patent holders expect you to pay a patent fee
[07:45] <LjL> that applies in certain countries, and not in others
[07:46] <K-Ryan> Not as black and white as I'd like it to be is it?
[07:46] <LjL> no
[07:46] <paulcarpenter> it's fairly black and white
[07:46] <LjL> not really
[07:46] <paulcarpenter> but with one other shade
[07:46] <paulcarpenter> so not completely
[07:46] <LjL> how can you tell if a piece of software is "patented enough" to be called non-free? you just can't. it's a decision distributions make
[07:47] <paulcarpenter> usually, the manufacturer will tell you.
[07:47] <LjL> why?
[07:47] <LjL> the manufacturer of *what*, specifically?
[07:48] <LjL> you mean the guy who writes the program? he probably doesn't even *know*
[07:48] <paulcarpenter> he should know what he wants people doing with his software
[07:48] <paulcarpenter> else he wouldn't let it out.
[07:48] <LjL> paulcarpenter: and? it's not in his powers to control other people's patents, or know what they are about
[07:48] <Dr_willis> isent this gettting into the arguments against 'software patents'
[07:49] <LjL> for instance, it's well-known enough that the MP3 format is covered by patents. that's why the Ubuntu distribution doesn't ship it by default. but, what about a ton other formats and programs that *may or may not* be covered by other patents?
[07:49] <Dr_willis> he could write stuff that violates a patent he dosent even know about.
[07:49] <LjL> Ubuntu simply assumes those patents aren't being enforced very actively
[07:49] <LjL> assumption could be wrong
[07:49] <paulcarpenter> true, true.
[07:49] <Dr_willis> actually gif is now free aint it?
[07:49] <LjL> Dr_willis: he "could"? he does.
[07:49] <LjL> happened before, will happen again
[07:49] <LjL> Dr_willis: i think so
[07:50] <LjL> we've got PNG now anyway
[07:50] <Dr_willis> I got to go to work... :) byeeeeeeee
[07:51] <cyber-hazard> hmmm, i hate my office workstation
[07:51] <LjL> paulcarpenter: if i write some open-source software to make flying pigs, i can't really be *expected* to know whether some of my algorithms were patented. i just can't, unless i spend a huge amount of money (and even then, i can't be sure). Ubuntu will just include it anyway, if there's no evidence of it being covered by patents... but if strong evidence later shows up, it's very probable that my software will be taken out and put into multiverse
[07:54] <K-Ryan> LjL you mean to say that if someone patents a line of code, nobody else can use that without their permission?
[07:54] <K-Ryan> Something as simple as a line of code?
[07:54] <K-Ryan> That's like copyrighting the word "the"!
[07:54] <paulcarpenter> no, simpler than that.
[07:54] <paulcarpenter> the algorithm used.
[07:54] <paulcarpenter> so really just an idea.
[07:55] <paulcarpenter> it can't be done by european law.
[07:55] <K-Ryan> Ok, I'll pretend I'm in Europe then if I ever take up coding =)
[07:55] <K-Ryan> !algorithm
[07:55] <LjL> K-Ryan: not at all, you can't patent something as trivial as one line of code. you can patent original ideas for how to do things, roughly speaking
[07:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about algorithm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:56] <LjL> whether the idea is original and conspicuous enough etc is up to 1) the patent office and 2) the judge, later to decide
[07:56] <LjL> (the patent office usually grants just about anything in the US, though i guess not one single line of code perhaps)
[07:56] <K-Ryan> So if someone says "These couple lines of code should work" then they can try to get that patented? Those couple lines of code?
[07:56] <paulcarpenter> not really
[07:56] <LjL> K-Ryan: no
[07:56] <K-Ryan> Alright, I get it then
[07:56] <K-Ryan> Except for one thing
[07:56] <JuJuBee> I am running a tftp server on my laptop.  How do I make it so anthing that gets put into the trtproot folder is owned by me?
[07:56] <K-Ryan> What's an algorithm?
[07:56] <cyber-hazard> however you can contest patents now, even while paying license fees and royalties :)
[07:57] <paulcarpenter> look it up on wikipedia
[07:57] <LjL> K-Ryan: they must say "this couple of lines does something quite useful that nobody has ever thought of, or managed to implement succesfully, before"
[07:57] <paulcarpenter> the specific code is irrelevant
[07:57] <paulcarpenter> it's what the code is doing that can be patented (in the US)
[07:57] <K-Ryan> So if Code A draws a box, the box drawing is an algorithm?
[07:57] <paulcarpenter> urm, kind of.
[07:58] <K-Ryan> lol I'll check wikipedia ;)
[07:58] <paulcarpenter> it'd be more analytical than that.
[07:58] <LjL> K-Ryan: an algorithm is a series of unambiguous instructions that can be carried out by a machine, and that terminate.
[07:58] <LjL> but i'm sure wikipedia will have a better definition.
[07:59] <K-Ryan> Kind of like a "When 1+x=2, execute this command, then when 1+x=2 is no longer true, terminate the command" ?
[07:59] <aseigo> LjL: the "by a machine" part isn't necessary
[07:59] <paulcarpenter> ish
[08:00] <K-Ryan> ish? what have I got wrong?
[08:00] <K-Ryan> Oh I get it
[08:00] <LjL> aseigo: i'm not sure. "if A tastes better than B, then go to line 1" doesn't sound like part of an algorithm to me
[08:00] <K-Ryan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:LampFlowchart.svg
[08:00] <K-Ryan> Like that?
[08:00] <paulcarpenter> but it definately is
[08:00] <tobi> is anyone running photoshop under UNIX ?
[08:01] <LjL> K-Ryan: no, the "terminate" part doesn't refer to that
[08:01] <aseigo> K-Ryan: that could be an algorithm, yes.. as long as it consists of a finite number of well-defined instructions that terminates in a known state ...
[08:01] <binks> LjL noi use the Gimp
[08:01] <aseigo> tobi: disney?
[08:01] <LjL> K-Ryan: i meant that the entire procedure must come to an end (i.e. terminate) sooner or later
[08:01] <paulcarpenter> K-Ryan, yes that is definately an algorithm.
[08:01] <K-Ryan> I get it now
[08:01] <LjL> K-Ryan: an algorithm is a procedure that terminates <- that's the real definition. then look up "procedure" ;)
[08:01] <mineur[afk] > an algorithm doesn't have to end
[08:01] <binks> ooops no i meant tobi i use the Gimp
[08:01] <tobi> k
[08:02] <binks> why do u need photoshop
[08:02] <LjL> mineur[afk] : it most definitely does.
[08:02] <tobi> just because i was working with ps under my "old" windows system ...
[08:02] <LjL> mineur[afk] : "an algorithm is a procedure (a finite set of well-defined instructions) for accomplishing some task which, given an initial state, will terminate in a defined end-state."
[08:02] <binks> tobi check out Picasa
[08:02] <LjL> (wikipedia - but most if not all textbooks will agree)
[08:02] <binks> or Gimp if your a pro
[08:02] <tobi> than Gimp ;-)
[08:02] <tobi> thanks a lot
[08:03] <cyber-hazard> yeah, GIMP rocks
[08:03] <paulcarpenter> binks, you don't need to be a pro to use GIMP, it's fairly easy.
[08:03] <cyber-hazard> paulcarpenter: it is easy, though it also has many advanced features for pros
[08:03] <cyber-hazard> sort of like photoshop :P
[08:03] <paulcarpenter> yeh.
[08:03] <K-Ryan> So, "If a car comes to a stop sign, stop, if there is no stop sign keep going." Yes?
[08:03] <paulcarpenter> Krita is also worth a look in.
[08:04] <paulcarpenter> K-Ryan, no because that doesn't have a clear start state or end state
[08:04] <LjL> K-Ryan: that could be part of an algorithm. but it can be more complicated. for some procedures, we *don't know* whether they'll eventually terminate
[08:04] <K-Ryan> Start state is "You're driving"
[08:04] <K-Ryan> End state is "Keep driving"
[08:04] <cyber-hazard> so fsck can't run on LVMs, can it? or am I just completely inept this morning?
[08:05] <K-Ryan> That or end state could be "Car no longer drives"
[08:05] <K-Ryan> lol
[08:05] <LjL> actually, wheter any given procedure will terminate is an undecidable problem
[08:05] <mineur[afk] > K-Ryan: keep driving isn't a stable end state... end state could be, keep driving until it runs out of gas....
[08:05] <K-Ryan> Well I'm assuming other algorithms would be in place as well
[08:05] <K-Ryan> Mine was a very simplified one
[08:05] <paulcarpenter> afaik it is considered impossible to know for sure if any algorithm will terminate
[08:06] <mineur[afk] > but then we're at the scope of pre and post conditions....
[08:06] <mineur[afk] > if some conditions are fulfilled when the algorithm start, it is guarenteed it will end...
[08:06] <cyber-hazard> anyone know about those LVMs an fsck?
[08:06] <K-Ryan> But the algorithm would keep going until it ends?
[08:06] <paulcarpenter> yes
[08:07] <LjL> K-Ryan: this is an algorithm: 1) fill a cup with water 2) put it on the gas 3) put some salt in it 4) check if the water is boiling 5) if not, go back to 4 6) put pasta in the water 7) turn off the gas after 10 minutes
[08:07] <binks> paulcarpenter i no u dont need to be a pro to use gimp but if your a pro then gimp is the only option in *nix
[08:07] <mineur[afk] > soundness, completeness, all pretty theoretical stuff :)
[08:07] <paulcarpenter> binks, yeh, that works.
[08:07] <K-Ryan> There's something wrong with your algorithm.
[08:08] <LjL> possibly
[08:08] <K-Ryan> What if the pasta doesn't cook in 10 minutes? And what if it cooks in 5 minutes? =P
[08:08] <cyber-hazard> then your algorithm is flawed :P
[08:08] <mineur[afk] > pre-condition: the pasta is cooked in 10 minuts :)
[08:08] <LjL> K-Ryan: you'll get over- or undercooked pasta. it's still an algorithm, but not too good :)
[08:08] <LjL> anyway, a more major flaw is that i never mention turning the gas on
[08:08] <K-Ryan> Yes, but it won't perform as intended.
[08:08] <jatos> hey
[08:08] <LjL> that would make the procedure never terminate - and thus not be strictly an algorithm
[08:09] <LjL> K-Ryan: depends what you "intend". it'll "cook the pasta", so if that was your purpose, it'll do
[08:09] <K-Ryan> I understand, now I'm just teasing you =P
[08:09] <mineur[afk] > it does perform if you bring in the pre-condition that the paste used is pasta that needs exaclty ao minuts of cooking... :)
[08:09] <LjL> if the purpose was "cooking the pasta optimally", then it's not an algorithm for that
[08:09] <LjL> K-Ryan: no - they're perfectly valid objections
[08:09] <jatos> hey would I recover a deleted partition (I asked this yesterday and I was told Gparted could do it, but I can't find how to recover partitions with it)
[08:09] <K-Ryan> So hold on a second.
[08:09] <LjL> !testdisk | jatos
[08:09] <ubotu> testdisk: Partition scanner and disk recovery tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 6.4.1-1 (edgy), package size 459 kB, installed size 1232 kB
[08:10] <cyber-hazard> i think i'm in love with that bot
[08:10] <LjL> jatos: i don't think gparted is the best tool. if you didn't overwrite much of anything, careful use of fdisk would probably be better
[08:10] <eimajenthat> Afternoon all, having a curious issue.  I'm running Edgy Eft, Ubuntu and Kubuntu.  That is, I installed Ubuntu, then came to conclusion that I would prefer a KDE environment, and install Kubuntu-desktop.  However, I browse with Firefox.  Konqueror is nice, even superior in some ways, but I'm used to Firefox.  At any rate, since I had Ubuntu first, Firefox defaults to opening PDFs in Evince, media in Totem, etc.  Now that I'm using
[08:10] <eimajenthat> KDE, I was going to switch Firefox's default application choices, but they seem to have disappeared.  The only file extension I see to reassign is SDL (Shockwave something).  However, when I open media apps, they attempt to open themselves in the gnome apps still.  Anyone seen this before?
[08:10] <LjL> you do have to know what you're doing
[08:11] <LjL> an easy fix is probably uninstalling the gnome counterparts ;)
[08:11] <jatos> mind if I PM you LjL?
[08:11] <LjL> jatos: no, but i'll be out for dinner quite soon, and recovering a partition is no easy task
[08:11] <jatos> I know...
[08:11] <K-Ryan> 1)Put cup of water on gas 2) turn on gas 3)leave water for 5 minutes 4)If water is not boiling go to 3   5)Pour pasta in water  6)Leave pasta for 2 minutes 7)Check pasta to see if it is cooked, if not go to 6   8)Turn off gas
[08:12] <K-Ryan> I improved your algorithm =P
[08:12] <LjL> K-Ryan: better than mine, though depending on what you want, it could still be flawed
[08:12] <K-Ryan> Of course
[08:12] <K-Ryan> It doesn't check the gas supply.
[08:13] <LjL> for example, you might not want to waste time - or the 2-minutes accuracy for cooking might not be adequate. those are all requirements that have to be stated
[08:13] <K-Ryan> So a perfect algorithm would have to check for all...
[08:13] <LjL> that, too
[08:13] <K-Ryan> What's the word I'm looking for
[08:13] <K-Ryan> Anything that would prevent the algorithm from continuing
[08:13] <cyber-hazard> possibilities? realities?
[08:13] <LjL> exceptions?
[08:13] <paulcarpenter> conditions? variables?
[08:13] <K-Ryan> conditions works I guess
[08:13] <cyber-hazard> pigs?
[08:14] <K-Ryan> Ah ha!
[08:14] <K-Ryan> pigs!
[08:14] <cyber-hazard> i knew it
[08:14] <K-Ryan> Much better =)
[08:14] <cyber-hazard> always gotta watch out for those volatile pig algorithms
[08:15] <K-Ryan> So I just learned a big part of coding right?
[08:15] <K-Ryan> Not the actual commands, but the structure?
[08:15] <cyber-hazard> errr
[08:15] <cyber-hazard> sorta
[08:15] <cyber-hazard> your peeked into logical thinking
[08:16] <cyber-hazard> which could be a large part of the "idea" of coding if you learned more specifics
[08:16] <tobi> when i install the GIMP with Adept, is it better to install all plugins as well ?
[08:16] <K-Ryan> tobi depends on what you want to do with it
[08:16] <paulcarpenter> not *all* the plugins.
[08:16] <paulcarpenter> I'd just get them as and when you want to use them.
[08:16] <K-Ryan> cyber-hazard the algorithm thing is kind of like AI right?
[08:17] <K-Ryan> that's what you meant by logical thinking?
[08:17] <tobi> thanks
[08:17] <cyber-hazard> K-Ryan: programming in general is a very simple AI (abstractly, don't jump on me quite yet, programmers :P)
[08:18] <cyber-hazard> programming is telling something mechanical (usually computers, these days) to do something based on a series of conditions. in a sense, it "decides" "on it's own" based on what you told it previously
[08:18] <cyber-hazard> google pseudocode standard
[08:18] <cyber-hazard> has a lot of pseudocode information for you :)
[08:18] <K-Ryan> It isn't really deciding anything, it just does what it is told to do depending on what conditions are met, right?
[08:18] <cyber-hazard> right
[08:19] <K-Ryan> =)
[08:19] <cyber-hazard> but it simulates a decision to the end user, who has no previous knowledge of your involvement with the machine
[08:20] <K-Ryan> That has nothing to do with the algorithm though =P
[08:20] <cyber-hazard> sure it does
[08:20] <K-Ryan> I don't see how
[08:20] <cyber-hazard> just so happens that you wrote something that is more like directions for someone to cook. however a good algorith is complex enough that the object following the algorith can follow it with no intelligent thought on it's own
[08:21] <K-Ryan> Of course
[08:21] <K-Ryan> But if I sat down and wrote out the whole algorithm that would take longer.
[08:21] <cyber-hazard> right
[08:21] <K-Ryan> So I cheated and pretended there were no variables.
[08:22] <K-Ryan> That's the word I was looking for before
[08:22] <cyber-hazard> eh, not really cheating, it was just a simple example :P
[08:22] <cyber-hazard> anyways, long overdue for a smoke break. be back in a few
[08:22] <K-Ryan> But if it were an algorithm that would be cheating because it doesn't take into account all other variables.
[08:22] <K-Ryan> Well it just wouldn't work...
[08:23] <hume> anyone here using a palm that can sync it with kpilot and korganizer in edgy? I have severe problems and have had so for months
[08:26] <fdoving> hume:
[08:26] <jol> Hi, is there a way to install kubuntu in text mode ?
[08:26] <fdoving> hume: there is a bug report with links to working packages. hang on.
[08:26] <K-Ryan> jol, having trouble installing it graphically?
[08:27] <jol> K-Ryan: the problem is that the portable is very slow
[08:27] <jol> low memory etc ...
[08:28] <jol> so I would like to install it in text mode
[08:28] <fdoving> hume: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/66313
[08:28] <K-Ryan> portable?
[08:28] <jol> sorry
[08:28] <jol> laptop
[08:28] <jol> ;)
[08:28] <K-Ryan> Ah
[08:28] <K-Ryan> Are you sure the laptop would be able to run it?
[08:28] <jol> I wish
[08:28] <K-Ryan> Or is it just the whole running from a cd thing
[08:29] <jol> it is because the cdrom is slow, few memory ...
[08:29] <jol> however is it possible ?
[08:29] <K-Ryan> I don't know how but I'm sure there is
[08:29] <K-Ryan> !install
[08:29] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[08:29] <K-Ryan> Try those
[08:29] <n0ne> heyal
[08:29] <n0ne> stupid question, but where is language config? :)
[08:30] <n0ne> i want to change cp-1251 to utf8
[08:30] <K-Ryan> system settings i believe
[08:30] <n0ne> yea thx alot
[08:30] <n0ne> )))))))))))))))))
[08:31] <K-Ryan> Np
[08:31] <n0ne> am i need to reboot to make settings work?
[08:31] <K-Ryan> Probably
[08:31] <n0ne> ok thx
[08:31] <K-Ryan> Your welcome
[08:32] <cyber-hazard> don't need to reboot, just restart your X session
[08:32] <K-Ryan> Ah, welcome back
[08:32] <cyber-hazard> Linux: because rebooting is only for hardware changes :P
[08:32] <K-Ryan> He left already
[08:32] <cyber-hazard> thanks :)
[08:33] <cyber-hazard> yeah, was just notifying you :)
[08:33] <K-Ryan> Thanks
[08:33] <Alarm> hello, how could i make kaffeine work as a tv tuner application ?
[08:33] <Alarm> cant find anything as an option. does any lib or plugin to be installed ?
[08:34] <boss_78> Hello
[08:34] <cyber-hazard> hey there, boss
[08:34] <boss_78> gow are you today?
[08:34] <boss_78> how are you?
[08:34] <cyber-hazard> doing alright, yourself?
[08:35] <boss_78> to
[08:35] <boss_78> too
[08:35] <K-Ryan> so cyber the algorithm format is kind of like "start>if a is satisfied, move to b, if a isn't satisfied move to c>(insert long if lines)>end"
[08:35] <cyber-hazard> K-Ryan: algorithms are more of an idea. can have any form, from a math equation to a program. I think you're thinking of it too literally
[08:36] <K-Ryan> I understand the If stuff is different depending on the algorithms point, but isn't that how they would all work?
[08:36] <cyber-hazard> more or less, yeah
[08:37] <K-Ryan> Okey dokey, now to find me one of those algorithm games...
[08:38] <stamen> hi
[08:38] <cyber-hazard> hey there, stamen
[08:38] <K-Ryan> Hello
[08:38] <stamen> I have problem with my USB connection
[08:38] <K-Ryan> What's on the other end?
[08:38] <stamen> NOKIA GSM with PC
[08:38] <Broxtor> I'm trying to mount an ext3 read/write for a normal user, but somehow I don't seem to succeed. My fstab line is: /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 ext3 defaults,auto,rw 0 0
[08:39] <stamen> it was working perfectly with the transfers of data
[08:39] <cyber-hazard> Broxtor: have you tried manually mounting?
[08:40] <Broxtor> cyber-hazard: yes, but only with "sudo mount /dev/hdb1", so it uses fstab then, doesn't it?
[08:40] <stamen> but now when I plug the cable, kubuntu recongnize the memory card as data storage, and when I start to copy my pictures in the
[08:40] <boss_78> join #driver
[08:40] <stamen> box dialog on the speed bar there says Staleed
[08:40] <stamen> stalled
[08:40] <cyber-hazard> Broxtor: sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 should work manually. however that will disappear at next reboot, which is why you add to fstab.
[08:40] <stamen> and after a while the keybord and the mouse are blocked, and I have to reset the PC
[08:41] <boss_78> #driver
[08:41] <cyber-hazard> let me look closer at the line your provided
[08:41] <stamen> did somebody has the same problem?
[08:41] <stamen> or idea, what is happening???
[08:41] <Broxtor> cyber-hazard: just tried what you proposed. Still read-only to normal user
[08:42] <cyber-hazard> hmmm, think I was missing the point of your post. thought you couldn't get the fstab to mount at all.
[08:42] <boss_78> #savage_driver
[08:42] <tobias_> how do I set up XOrg properly?
[08:42] <Broxtor> cyber-hazard: that does work, but only read-only
[08:42] <cyber-hazard> ah, okay, one sec
[08:43] <tobias_> !XOrg
[08:43] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:44] <cyber-hazard> Broxtor: you need to add the group you want to be able to rw to the options part of the fstab
[08:47] <Broxtor> cyber-hazard: should I just list the group name there?
[08:47] <cyber-hazard> that's what my fstab has in it
[08:47] <cyber-hazard> Broxtor: have to admit though, I'm not an expert in the fstab area
[08:48] <ubu_> re
[08:49] <hume_> fdoving, thx
[08:50] <melange> Hmm - for some reason java fails with this error: http://bottiger.com/paste/Jfa1LHztKm1eRzCqBU7a . What does it mean? what do I do?
[08:51] <hume> i have a problem with knetworkmanager and kwallet: the passphrase to my WEP-encrypted wlan seems not to be stored in the wallet.... anyone knows about this?
[08:51] <scifi> is there a graphical FTP client already installed in kubuntu, or is there one i should install ?
[08:52] <melange> scifi: konqueror
[08:52] <cyber-hazard> scifi: when I use graphical ftp (not often) there's a plugin for firefox that's pretty good.
[08:52] <cyber-hazard> scifi: FireFTp is the name of the extension
[08:52] <scifi> melange: really, sweet.........'konq' never ceases to amaze ^^ :)
[08:53] <cyber-hazard> scifi konq does quite a few nifty things :)
[08:53] <scifi> cyber-hazard: thnx for the firefox tip, but for the moment i dont see the point in using anything other than konq :)
[08:54] <paulcarpenter> is it advisable for a someone who knows nothing about computers to risk using installing the Herd 2 CD?
[08:54] <cyber-hazard> paulcarpenter: for someone who knows nothing about computers, I'd recommend OSX
[08:54] <hume> is there any alternative to using knetworkmanager to connect to an encrypted wlan? I do NOT travel between, wlans, this is a sofa laptop....
[08:54] <paulcarpenter> o.k., I know enough that I'm managing the current release of kubuntu
[08:55] <scifi> so do i just basically type the ftp url in the address bar of konqueror ?
[08:55] <cyber-hazard> paulcarpenter: i was just playing :P i personally love playing around with the latest and greatest, but I'd test it on non production box or something
[08:55] <paulcarpenter> I was wondering how significant the chances of the test realese buggering everything up are.
[08:55] <hume> scifi, yes
[08:56] <cyber-hazard> paulcarpenter: best thing I've ever done for my linux experimenting experience was going to find an old P133, picking up some ram for it, and using it as a sandbox sort of environment
[08:56] <paulcarpenter> so best not to try it on the computer that I actually use reguarly then?
[08:57] <cyber-hazard> i wouldn't suggest it
[08:57] <paulcarpenter> o.k, thanks.
[08:57] <cyber-hazard> especially if you're like me and just start messing with config files at random and no regard :P
[08:58] <cyber-hazard> but seriously, go to a local school and see if you can buy one of their machines that they're getting rid of. typically they just donate them or recycle them, so they'll be greatful for the money. and you get a machine that can usually do anything with linux for under $100 :)
[08:59] <jpiccolo> Uptime: 1 hours and 54 minutes
[08:59] <Wikipedia-Gast75> hello lloyd
[09:01] <eimajenthat> how do I make it so that /usr is NOT a hidden file in Konqueror?
[09:01] <DelbertGrady> hello lloyd
[09:08] <hume> I have a problem with kwallet /knetworkmanager - kwallet seem NOT to store password between sessions - anyone recognizes this?
[09:08] <cyber-hazard> i actually had this issue the other day as well. I just resolved not to use kwallet anymore
[09:08] <cyber-hazard> not a big fan of storing passwords anyways
[09:09] <hume> cyber-hazard, well, here its a wep-key, 128 bit, a bit tooo long for my memory...
[09:09] <cyber-hazard> ah
[09:10] <cyber-hazard> hume: haven't checked it in Kubuntu yet, but KDE Control Center used to have a seperate section for wireless networks and you could store the wepkey in one of the network profiles
[09:11] <tobias_> that was annoying
[09:11] <simon__> n
[09:11] <narasim_7> hello..the power management in display seciton of kdecontrol center always reverts back to  a setting of 30 minutes
[09:11] <tobias_> XOrg setup crashed my machine while detecting the screen
[09:11] <cyber-hazard> tobias_: ouch, that sucks
[09:12] <cyber-hazard> narasim_7: for your laptop?
[09:12] <tobias_> now I know why wine wont work
[09:12] <hume> cyber-hazard, ok, seems to be here in kubuntu too, though I never used it, gonna try now
[09:12] <narasim_7> cyber-hazard: no mine is a dekstop
[09:12] <tobias_> it found my integrated laptop screen card tho
[09:12] <narasim_7> cyber-hazard: i am using dapper drake now..
[09:12] <FastFrenzy> adios wrong chan
[09:12] <tobias_> only didnt find my screen
[09:13] <tobias_> I can set it up manually?
[09:13] <cyber-hazard> hume: lemme know if that works. still haven't looked around too much in the Kubuntu control center. seems to be different though
[09:13] <tobias_> !XOrg
[09:13] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:13] <cyber-hazard> narasim_7: no idea then, sorry. never really looked around power management on anything but laptops
[09:13] <narasim_7> is there such a problem in edgy?
[09:14] <narasim_7> its ok.. can u check that if u have edgy?
[09:14] <cyber-hazard> narasim_7: i am currently using edgy, yeah
[09:14] <narasim_7> cyber-hazard: do u have such a problem..?
[09:14] <drarem> if i run an apache2 server on my installation along with mysql - would it and my intranet of windoze boxes behind the firewall be secure?  how paranoid do i need to be?
[09:15] <fxr> hi can does the linux kernel headers be installed by default in kubuntu & xubuntu.. where can i find this info out?
[09:15] <cyber-hazard> narasim_7: i don't currently have any problems relating to pwoer management with my laptop
[09:15] <narasim_7> cyber-hazard: great...that should do :)
[09:15] <narasim_7> cyber-hazard: thanks a tonne
[09:15] <cyber-hazard> narasim_7: np :)
[09:16] <hatta> fxr, dpkg --get-selections | grep headers
[09:16] <hatta> will tell you whether it's installed or not
[09:16] <agnostic> someone can  help with Grub error 22
[09:17] <drarem> can i disable the touchpad on my laptop without messing anything else up?  I'm using an external mouse
[09:18] <cyber-hazard> agnostic: dual boot system?
[09:18] <narasim_7> agnostic: looks like you modified some partition in either windows or linux
[09:18] <jontec> *kid voice* how come we don't have the newer versions of apache? we only have 2.0.55?
[09:18] <agnostic> yes, winme :( and kubuntu 5.10
[09:19] <fxr> ok thanks hatta, but i wanna do a fresh install and the how-to (install a wireless nic) requires me to have the linux headers installed .. ll have no internet connection til i get the nic working... so i wanna make sure them headers are installed with my CD
[09:19] <cyber-hazard> agnostic: step 1> replace winme with something else
[09:19] <drarem> jontec - I'm guessing cause it's at a stable release?
[09:19] <cyber-hazard> anything else
[09:19] <agnostic> i have added a second HDD
[09:19] <gkjones> is there a site that lists additional repositories for Adept manager please
[09:20] <jontec> drarem: but according to apache 2.3 something is a stable release?
[09:20] <dope> if i have a pen drive is there some sort of program i can put on it that'll store passwords and enter them automatically
[09:20] <dope> maybe i'm asking for too much
[09:20] <cyber-hazard> dope: I think kwallet does something close to that, not experienced with kwallet though
[09:21] <daleg> hi all,  is thare any command-line torrent client supporting data encryptio?
[09:21] <dope> yea exactly like that only with a pen drive so i can wonder to differen tcomputers
[09:21] <cyber-hazard> dope: I meant, I'm pretty sure that they have a function to store it on a pen drive
[09:21] <jontec> drarem: sorry, not 2.3.* 2.2.3?
[09:21] <dope> oh
[09:21] <drarem> Have you done sudo apt-get update?  I really couldn't tell you, still learning this too.
[09:22] <dope> that would be great too
[09:22] <eimajenthat> gkjones: here's some to start you off
[09:22] <cyber-hazard> jontec: just because there is a stable release from the manufacturer doesn't mean it's been completely tested for a distro. Debian/ubuntu is really careful with adding stuff to their repo's to make sure that they're stable and won't break things
[09:22] <eimajenthat> gkjones: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[09:23] <cyber-hazard> jontec: can try unmasking the universe and multiverse repos to see if they're in there
[09:23] <jontec> cyber-hazard: :D how? I only know how to add them to the lists in adept?
[09:24] <Zigmund> ciao a tutti
[09:24] <cyber-hazard> jontec: lemme try and remember real quick. new to kubuntu
[09:24] <jontec> cyber-hazard: okay. :D
[09:24] <eimajenthat> gkjones: http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/blog/lista-repository-sourceslist-ottimizzata-per-ubuntu-kubuntu-linux/
[09:24] <cyber-hazard> jontec: /etc/apt/sources.list is the file you're looking for
[09:25] <marco_> hi
[09:25] <cyber-hazard> jontec: uncomment the repos. there's instructions in the comments for you in that file
[09:25] <cyber-hazard> hey, marco_
[09:25] <jontec> cyber-hazard: okay, if you know how to do it that way, that's okay with me
[09:25] <gkjones> magic
[09:25] <BluesKaj> !it  | Zigmund
[09:25] <ubotu> Zigmund: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:25] <agnostic> if i reinstall Grub, error 22 will disappear?
[09:25] <eimajenthat> How come when I go to / in Konqueror, all I see is "media" and "home"?
[09:26] <cyber-hazard> agnostic: it doesn't sound like a grub install error, more a config error. means it can't find a partition you specified
[09:26] <cyber-hazard> eimajenthat: because the ubuntu developers decided that everything else is generally too dangerous for the average user to access normally
[09:27] <cyber-hazard> eimajenthat: you can show hidden directories, or you can access the directories through command line
[09:27] <jontec> cyber-hazard: :D all of my repos are uncommented. O_o
[09:27] <agnostic> so must edit Grub conf file?
[09:27] <cyber-hazard> agnostic: yes, I would
[09:27] <Slackwise> eimajenthat: If you're curious, go read the file /.hidden
[09:27] <Slackwise> Same file and concept used in MacOS X :P
[09:29] <Slackwise> eimajenthat: If you want to see those files, just select "View" --> "Show Hidden Files" in Konqueror
[09:29] <DelbertGrady> hello lloyd
[09:30] <eimajenthat> cyber-hazard: that seems kinda goofy to me
[09:30] <DelbertGrady> hello lloyd
[09:30] <cyber-hazard> eimajenthat: eh, i didn't notice for the first few days cause I don't usually use the GUI filebrowser :P
[09:30] <andreasw> how can I make a pdf document from two .tif files really fast?
[09:31] <cyber-hazard> eimajenthat: but yeah, threw me off as well
[09:31] <agnostic> if i reinstall Grub, it do not configure properly by itself?
[09:31] <DelbertGrady> hello lloyd
[09:32] <cyber-hazard> agnostic: sec
[09:32] <tobias_> how do I find the refresh rate for my monitor? packard bells homepage wont tell me anything, and the list in the kubuntu help file had all the companies listed, except packard bell, am I wrong to assume that packard bell doesnt want anyone to know the refresh rate of my easynote m5 256?
[09:32] <cyber-hazard> agnostic: edit /boot/grub/grub.conf
[09:33] <tobias_> does this mean anything at all :"LCD 15.1" TFT XGA"?
[09:33] <cyber-hazard> agnostic: see if the pointers to the partitions look correct. if they don't, fix them
[09:33] <eimajenthat> cyber-hazard: has it been like that since edgy was released?
[09:33] <cyber-hazard> tobias_: sorry, it's been a while since I've dealt with that. lemme see if I can dig something up real quick
[09:33] <tobias_> thanks cyber :)
[09:33] <cyber-hazard> eimajenthat: it's been like that the last few days since I've started using kubuntu :)
[09:34] <cyber-hazard> tobias_: check the /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:34] <DelbertGrady> cyber-hazard sucks
[09:35] <cyber-hazard> tobias_: there's some comments to help a bit, or google for a sample on, maybe
[09:35] <eimajenthat> cyber-hazard: I guess it doesn't make that much difference normally.  I just noticed it when I was trying to tell Firefox to use KDE apps to open stuff instead of Gnome ones
[09:35] <tobias_> oki thanki
[09:35] <tobias_> I googled a lot
[09:35] <DelbertGrady> tobias sucks
[09:35] <tobias_> delbergrady rocks
[09:35] <DelbertGrady> yes
[09:35] <tobias_> :P
[09:35] <eimajenthat> cyber-hazard: thanks for de-confusing me
[09:36] <cyber-hazard> eimajenthat: np :)
[09:36] <DelbertGrady> eimajenthat sucks
[09:36] <DelbertGrady> cyber-hazard sucks
[09:36] <DelbertGrady> flavio sucks
[09:36] <DelbertGrady> fowlduck sucks
[09:36] <cyber-hazard> <3 ignore lists :)
[09:36] <tobias_> err, I think DelbertGrady is confusing this channel for some other channel
[09:36] <tobias_> lol
[09:36] <DelbertGrady> wgy
[09:36] <DelbertGrady> why
[09:36] <fowlduck> lol
[09:36] <fowlduck> nice
[09:36] <fowlduck> thanks
[09:37] <DelbertGrady> shoudl I konfuse it
[09:37] <fowlduck> DelbertGrady: any particular reason why I suck?
[09:37] <fowlduck> or are you just a troll?
[09:37] <DelbertGrady> because you're gay
[09:37] <cyber-hazard> fowlduck: looks like a troll. just ignore him
[09:37] <tobias_> <3 ignore lists too
[09:37] <fdoving> DelbertGrady: please behave and keep on topic.
[09:37] <fowlduck> !ops
[09:37] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato or DBO
[09:37] <fowlduck> thanks
[09:38] <fdoving> you're welcome.
[09:38] <cyber-hazard> ick, Javausers :P
[09:38] <cyber-hazard> thanks, fdoving
[09:39] <borie> do u have a link for filesharing behind a NAT on Kubuntu ???
[09:40] <borie> sharing folders 192.168.1.x's PC i mean...
[09:40] <fowlduck> borie: you ought to look into your router's NAT and port-forwarding functionality
[09:40] <borie> between computers  on my local network !  (sorry)
[09:40] <fowlduck> oh
[09:40] <fowlduck> i dunno
[09:40] <borie> k
[09:40] <fowlduck> srry
[09:41] <cyber-hazard> borie: all *nix computers? or mixed?
[09:41] <trappist> fowlduck: you're going to need to forward a range of ports, depending on the file sharing protocol (samba, nfs, etc.)
[09:41] <borie> cyber-hazard> right now all are on kubuntu ( but some are with dual boot (XP) )
[09:42] <fowlduck> trappist: yes, i was just giving general help
[09:42] <cyber-hazard> borie: would probably do it via nfs mounting
[09:43] <borie> cyber-hazard>care i dont
[09:43] <trappist> fowlduck: sorry, I meant to say that to borie :)
[09:43] <elyon> What is the app called that lets me change startup programs?
[09:43] <fowlduck> trappist: np :)
[09:44] <borie> trappist> wich one ??
[09:47] <agnostic> were can be found "grub.conf"  file in ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy)?
[09:48] <cyber-hazard> agnostic: try /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:48] <cyber-hazard> agnostic: looks like a grub.conf, don't see an actual grub.conf on my machine though
[09:51] <elyon> What is the app called that lets me change startup programs?
[09:57] <agnostic> a good manual for editing "menu.lst"  please
[09:58] <trappist> agnostic: it's very well documented inside itself
[09:58] <cyber-hazard> agnostic: yeah, the comments inside the file are very helpful
[09:58] <vikal> poprosze do ubuntu .pl
[09:58] <vikal> ubuntu.pl
[09:58] <hume> cyber-hazard, seems to be working well..:)
[09:59] <cyber-hazard> hume: excellent. glad it worked out for you :)
[09:59] <hume> cyber-hazard, thx for the advice..:)
[09:59] <cyber-hazard> hume: anytime. glad I can help :)
[09:59] <vikal> #ubuntu.pl
[10:00] <vikal> dzieki
[10:01] <apokryphos> elyon: this is done through kcontrol
[10:01] <apokryphos> or Kubuntu's system settings
[10:01] <apokryphos> (in the menu)
[10:02] <cyber-hazard> apokryphos: thanks for pointing that out. I've been scouring the internet looking :P
[10:03] <apokryphos> almost all of KDE's standard settings are handled through there, yeah :)
[10:03] <cyber-hazard> apokryphos: yeah, just never used a distro that was so integrated with KDE before
[10:04] <apokryphos> integration is goood, yup 8)
[10:04] <agnostic> so, at final,  to edit menu.lst according to "sudo fdisk -l"  ?
[10:07] <xenophile7x7> hey, im not sure if this is offtopic or not, but im tryin to compare gnome and kde to decide which *buntu version to stay with. can anyone offer some suggestions or feedback?
[10:07] <cyber-hazard> agnostic: no, that actually only lists your partitions so that you know how to edit the menu.lst
[10:07] <cyber-hazard> xenophile7x7: since this is the kubuntu room, most people will prolly say KDE :)
[10:08] <xenophile7x7> lol, yeah i figured
[10:08] <koriel> xenophile7x7: that's true
[10:08] <cyber-hazard> xenophile7x7: I'd recommend finding a livecd that has both on it, and play around, see which one you like
[10:08] <xenophile7x7> just hopin to get some pro's and con's
[10:08] <agnostic> yes, that i was trying to say :)
[10:08] <elyon> I'm having a problem here (and have been for weeks).  My entire system locks up nearly every time a user logs off.  Black screen, only a mouse cursor showing.  Ctrl-Alt-F1, etc. do nothing.  I have a Radeon 9600 and am runny Kubuntu Edgy.
[10:08] <cyber-hazard> xenophile7x7: example: Pros: KDE pwns. Cons: there is none, cause it pwns
[10:08] <elyon> xenophile7x7: Do you have Ubuntu installed already?
[10:08] <xenophile7x7> rofl, well that settles it i guess
[10:09] <xenophile7x7> yes. ive been bouncing between them for a few horus now, comparing
[10:09] <elyon> xenophile7x7: You can run both KDE and gnome on the same machine and select which one you want when you login.
[10:10] <elyon> xenophile7x7: If you don't like gnome, simply logout (not restart), and select KDE.  Quick and easy way to compare and still have access to all your programs and files.
[10:10] <cyber-hazard> xenophile7x7: in the end, it really comes down to which you feel is more comfortable and which looks better to you. they can both run eachothers programs, and both accomplish pretty much the same functions
[10:10] <cyber-hazard> xenophile7x7: and both give you access to the terminal, which is the only important part anyways :P
[10:11] <xenophile7x7> true enough
[10:11] <elyon> cyber-hazard: Try telling my mother that.  She just wants to play solitaire ;)
[10:11] <DeadFishMan> elyon: Did you ever see an error message referring to ksmserver?
[10:11] <xenophile7x7> theres parts of both that i like and dislike.
[10:11] <cyber-hazard> elyon: in that case, definitely KDE. KPatience is the best solitare program ever! :P
[10:11] <elyon> DeadFishMan: There haven't been any error messages.  But I have the same problem with gnome.
[10:11] <elyon> cyber-hazard: I'm playing KP right now, actually ;)
[10:12] <cyber-hazard> elyon: haha, awesome
[10:12] <xenophile7x7> but im still new to linux, so i figured id get some other opinions.
[10:12] <elyon> cyber-hazard: Just wish it hand a few sounds for the card animations
[10:12] <elyon> xenophile7x7: You know how to have both KDE and gnome at the same time?
[10:12] <cyber-hazard> elyon: yeah, I usually listen to my iPod, so i don't care that much
[10:12] <xenophile7x7> yeah
[10:12] <DeadFishMan> elyon: I see... I started to have something similar, however this is a known bug on kubuns KDE
[10:12] <DeadFishMan> elyon: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/67889
[10:13] <elyon> xenophile7x7: Alright.  I've found that gnome is a really easy way to transition from Windows, while for me KDE seems a bit quicker and more polished-looking.
[10:13] <xenophile7x7> do you guys knwo of any messengers, like kopete and gaim, that support vid/voice?
[10:13] <DeadFishMan> i am waiting for the patch to make into the repositories for kubuntu dapper
[10:13] <xenophile7x7> kde seems to have alot more packaged with it
[10:13] <cyber-hazard> xenophile7x7: kopete supports vid, not sure about voice. i usually use skype for voice though
[10:14] <elyon> DeadFishMan: I'm not positive if the problems were present before installing KDE (since I did that pretty much right away).  Would that bug affect gnome sessions as well?
[10:14] <xenophile7x7> gnome has some neat tools, like the system monitor. havent found anything like that in KDE yet
[10:14] <DeadFishMan> cyber-hazard: Skype for the KDE oriented person, Gizmo Project for the rest :P
[10:14] <elyon> xenophile7x7: You can run gnome's system monitor in KDE too ;)
[10:14] <cyber-hazard> DeadFishMan: we're in a KDE oriented channel :P
[10:14] <DeadFishMan> elyonI am not convinced that this is the same bug as it appears to be in Kubuntu s KDE implementation only and only shows up when one upgrades to KDE 3.5.5
[10:14] <xenophile7x7> can it be installed in kde, without installing gnome?
[10:15] <jatos> hey
[10:15] <xenophile7x7> and can ekiga be used with skype?
[10:15] <elyon> xenophile7x7: That I'm not sure about.  I'm pretty sure that you would need to install at least the gnome-base system (similar to requiring kde-base for KDE programs in Gnome)
[10:15] <DeadFishMan> xenophile7x7: You can pretty much install anything on any desktop as long as the dependencies are installed with it
[10:15] <cyber-hazard> xenophile7x7: which apt-get takes care of for the most part
[10:16] <DeadFishMan> xenophile7x7: which is, of course, a moot point on a Debina-derived distro :)
[10:16] <DeadFishMan> *Debian
[10:16] <xenophile7x7> ok.
[10:16] <elyon> DeadFishMan: Yeah, I tried Mandriva and SUSE a while ago, but didn't like it nearly as much :)
[10:16] <xenophile7x7> lol, im sure there are similar apps i could find to do the same thign anyway
[10:16] <cyber-hazard> i love how kubuntu makes such a big deal everytime i run something as root. it's so cute how excited it gets. pop up warning, flashing box in the panel
[10:17] <lupine_85> hehe
[10:17] <elyon> xenophile7x7: There isn't much out there that anyone wants to do that hasn't already been coded :)
[10:17] <DeadFishMan> cyber-hazard: LOL
[10:17] <xenophile7x7> yeah, ive started to notice that
[10:17] <xenophile7x7> i should have switched to linux a long time ago
[10:17] <lupine_85> xenophile7x7, elyon: can you write a decoder/encoder for SMV videos? *flutter flutter*
[10:17] <tobi> !divx
[10:17] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:17] <lupine_85> ;)
[10:17] <cyber-hazard> i come from a slackware and then gentoo background, so root isn't a huge deal to me.
[10:18] <elyon> xenophile7x7: I'm a gamer... pretty tentative about installing my games with Wine.
[10:18] <Shyne> im confused - which dvd/cd do i need for intel 64bit ? i386 or amd64
[10:18] <elyon> cyber-hazard: Ahh... I'm a child of Microsoft (adopted now, of course)
[10:18] <cyber-hazard> elyon: wine rocks. though I've found crossover office actually does a bette job for me
[10:18] <DeadFishMan> cyber-hazard: I also used to use hardcore distros, but even so, I do not like to logon as root unless really needed
[10:18] <elyon> cyber-hazard: Crossover isn't free, is it?
[10:18] <xenophile7x7> same here.  ive actually been thinkin that it may jus tbe easier to duel boot, or use vmware.  wine seems pretty touchy
[10:18] <cyber-hazard> elyon: wel yeah, I was MS before slack, and still use it occasionally
[10:19] <cyber-hazard> DeadFishMan: never log in as root, but when I run something as root, I'm not used to the fanfare
[10:19] <jatos> hey
[10:19] <elyon> cyber-hazard: I never paid for Windows.  Finally started feeling bad about it, so I went OSS ;)
[10:19] <DeadFishMan> cyber-hazard: Still getting used to the whole sudo thing, though. I am not sure if I like it.
[10:19] <cyber-hazard> think I'm gonna right a script that shoots up fireworks everytime I type SU or sudo
[10:19] <cyber-hazard> DeadFishMan: i like the sudo thing, but not used to the "only sudo" thing
[10:19] <DeadFishMan> ROTFL
[10:20] <elyon> cyber-hazard: For good measure, add a crowd shouting "YAY!"
[10:20] <xenophile7x7> have to pull the clip from monty python
[10:20] <cyber-hazard> elyon: yeah, crossover is $40 fore the real version. but for the linux community, I'm willing to pay a little extra
[10:20] <xenophile7x7> when they eat the minstrels
[10:20] <cyber-hazard> $40 is nothing for the ability to not have to run windows at all :P
[10:20] <magical_trevsky> hi, does anyone know how (or whether it's possible) to make the application icons in my kde taskbar autohide themselves, since I have lots of applications with taskbar icons, and they fill up a lot of space!
[10:20] <elyon> cyber-hazard: What about Cedega?
[10:20] <jatos> I just recovered part recovered a partition using testdisk (after I accidently deleted my partition table...) and there two unrecovered partitons, anyone know how to recover the other 4 partitions that I have?
[10:20] <DeadFishMan> Well... Gotta go now
[10:20] <cyber-hazard> elyon: haven't looked at Cedega too much. all I know is crossover has tested WoW extensively
[10:20] <jatos> that I have unrecovered tgat is...
[10:21] <DeadFishMan> See you later guys!
[10:21] <cyber-hazard> DeadFishMan: later, man
[10:21] <elyon> magical_trevsky: Right click on the system tray handle, and choose Configure System Tray
[10:21] <xenophile7x7> elyon: ever looked at rappelz? basically WoW but free
[10:21] <magical_trevsky> elyon, thanks :)
[10:21] <elyon> xenophile7x7: I'm not a WoW fan.
[10:21] <cyber-hazard> okay, time for some more coffee and maybe a cigarette
[10:21] <elyon> xenophile7x7: I'm more of an FPS player.
[10:21] <cyber-hazard> be back in a few
[10:22] <xenophile7x7> i just dont like it because i refuse to pay monthly for a game
[10:22] <xenophile7x7> but i bounce around between fps, rts, and rappelz is my only mmo
[10:22] <Shyne> wow is well worth the money if u play it at all often
[10:22] <xenophile7x7> not to me
[10:23] <elyon> Shyne: I don't want any part of a game where the players have a *real* wedding in-game.
[10:23] <Shyne> 8.99 is 3 pints here and the wow subs lasts a lot longer
[10:23] <Shyne> and u dont have to be in the wedding
[10:23] <Shyne> just walk on by :P
[10:23] <root____> hi
[10:23] <elyon> Shyne: I'd end up trying to kill the bride, actually.
[10:24] <Shyne> id sign a petition for same race pvp for that purpose
[10:24] <xenophile7x7> 'buy my paperweight. now continue to pay me almost its full price every month, for my permissin to use it as somethign other than a paperweight'
[10:24] <xenophile7x7> its a bit too MS'ish for me
[10:24] <elyon> xenophile7x7: Amen.
[10:24] <Shyne> wtf
[10:24] <Shyne> that makes no sense
[10:24] <elyon> xenophile7x7: Of course, if you want quality games, you have to go for Windows... sad, huh?
[10:25] <xenophile7x7> yeah, thats a big part of why it too me so long to switch
[10:25] <elyon> You know, I think I'm going to attempt installing CoD2 with Wine
[10:25] <xenophile7x7> then vista hit, and pushed me over the edge
[10:25] <xenophile7x7> is wine easy to work with? ive heard it can be really touchy on games
[10:26] <elyon> xenophile7x7: No clue... haven't tried it with many games lol
[10:26] <elyon> xenophile7x7: I know its easy to use, though... install and forget it :)
[10:26] <xenophile7x7> i might try it out then.  hopefully it will work with some of the less-commercial software i use, like rappelz
[10:27] <elyon> xenophile7x7: My absolute FAVORITE waste-of-time Windows game is impossible to play in Linux... because to login and launch the executable, you need ActiveX... grr.
[10:27] <xenophile7x7> whats that?
[10:28] <elyon> xenophile7x7: GolfKing (golf.ijji.com)
[10:28] <xenophile7x7> never played it. im not a big golf fan
[10:29] <xenophile7x7> screw it, ive already started with KDE, so im just goign to stick toit
[10:29] <elyon> xenophile7x7: Its one of those multiplayer, play4free games (same publisher as WarRock)
[10:29] <xenophile7x7> ahh, ok
[10:31] <elyon> Okay... wish me luck on my CoD Wine install ;)... seems to be fine, but I haven't tried running it yet lol
[10:31] <xenophile7x7> good luck!
[10:32] <elyon> AHH!  Well, that is stupid.  I can't even eject the first disc...
[10:33] <elyon> Can someone help me here?  I can't eject my CD (either by pressing the open button, OR selecting 'Eject' in KDE)!
[10:34] <spitwise> got a paperclip?
[10:34] <dvayanu> hi. i know this is extremely dumb question but where can i find out what kernel options in boot command actually mean
[10:34] <dvayanu> like quiet
[10:34] <spitwise> did you try typing eject in konsole?
[10:34] <elyon> spitwise: I could do that, but it seems like it may still be spinning.
[10:34] <xenophile7x7> reboot
[10:34] <xenophile7x7> or at least log out
[10:35] <elyon> spitwise: Yeah... it gives the all-helpful "eject: unmount of `/media/cdrom0' failed" error.
[10:35] <elyon> Seems a lot like the Windows "Fatal Error" message lol
[10:35] <spitwise> ya perhaps a reboot is in order.
[10:35] <elyon> spitwise: I'm in the middle of an installation from that CD... lol its asking for disc 2
[10:38] <xenophile7x7> alright guys, im gonna reformat. ill be back in a few. thanks for everyones help!
[10:38] <spitwise> elyon: read the umount man page
[10:38] <cyber-hazard> on the way back in i got cornered :( turns out someone in the office had a birthday =\
[10:38] <pip`> hahaha
[10:40] <twosouls82> hello there :)
[10:40] <pip`> ello
[10:40] <elyon> twosouls82: Hello to you, sir.
[10:40] <pip`> mate
[10:42] <cyber-hazard> hehe
[10:45] <elyon> okay... so with Wine at least, I can't install ANYTHING that is more than one CD
[10:45] <twosouls82> elyon, you can make an iso of the cds and then force a remount I guess
[10:45] <pip`> wow now thats wat i call 'hamstrung'
[10:46] <pip`> uhh.. so i guess ..  Wine sux from the gettgo
[10:47] <twosouls82> no, that is not what I said
[10:47] <elyon> Well, I guess I'm just being overly optimistic as it is... trying to play windows games.
[10:48] <cyber-hazard> elyon: always cedega or crossover :P
[10:48] <elyon> Does K3B rip ISOs?
[10:48] <twosouls82> elyon: dd does and cp does too, google "linux iso from cd"
[10:51] <twosouls82> :\
[10:52] <phux> so nabernd
[10:55] <pip`> lala
[10:55] <elyon> hehe, there's no progress display for dd?
[10:56] <pip`> isnt dd a backup program?
[10:56] <elyon> pip`: I have no idea... but I'm using it to rip a CD to iso ;)
[10:57] <cyber-hazard> yeah, but also works for generating an iso
[10:57] <pip`> oh really
[10:57] <cyber-hazard> pip`: tar is also just a program designed to use with tapes :P
[10:57] <pip`> sumone told me dd was too hard for noobs to try
[10:57] <pip`> noobs like mee
[10:58] <Alarm> hello, when i open konsole it runs with the user alarm. how could i run konsole as a different user ?
[10:58] <elyon> pip`: I'm as green as they get and it wasn't hard for me ;)
[10:58] <cyber-hazard> Alarm: konsole will run as whatever user you are logged on as
[10:58] <pip`> ohh really?
[10:59] <Alarm> cyber-hazard,  and what happens if i want to run as a new user that i created ? in that case mythtv
[10:59] <elyon> pip`: Nevermind... it gave me yet another extremely vague error.  I give up.
[10:59] <pip`> elyon, well yer prolly a smart noob, ima dumb noob
[10:59] <pip`> haha oops sorry
[10:59] <cyber-hazard> Alarm: you can su <user>
[10:59] <elyon> lol you spoke too soon.
[10:59] <Alarm> ok, thanks
[11:00] <cyber-hazard> Alarm: np :)
[11:00] <pip`> *huggies*
[11:00] <phux> anyone lost settings in beryl?
[11:01] <omicron_> hi there. which package do i need to install to get the kde header files?
[11:05] <jatos> anyone know a Linux tool for looking at hard disk in Hex?
[11:07] <phux> anyone got an awnser?
[11:07] <kkosmo> phux
[11:07] <kkosmo> you lost setting
[11:07] <kkosmo> in beryl
[11:07] <kkosmo> ?
[11:07] <phux> oh
[11:07] <phux> thx
[11:07] <phux> nt really
[11:07] <phux> beryl running
[11:07] <kkosmo> ok
[11:07] <kkosmo> and you lost settings
[11:07] <phux> but settings r unchanged every time
[11:08] <kkosmo> ooo ok
[11:08] <phux> i wanna change em
[11:08] <phux> had it but beryl crashed so i had to remove them
[11:09] <kkosmo> why it crashed
[11:09] <kkosmo> you have low computer
[11:09] <phux> don't know
[11:09] <phux> ;)
[11:09] <phux> not really
[11:10] <phux> will be enough
[11:10] <kkosmo> what you
[11:10] <kkosmo> tell me the info about your computer
[11:11] <phux> nv 6600gt, 2000+amd 512mb
[11:11] <kkosmo> and it crashed
[11:11] <tobi> [GdK-Warning **: gdk_window_set_back_pixmap]  All my windows in "gxine" and "gimp" are black. any idea?
[11:11] <kkosmo> i have nv 440mx
[11:11] <Wepwawet> hi... back to x86  from 64bit
[11:11] <kkosmo> 256 mb ram
[11:12] <kkosmo> and 2400 intel
[11:12] <phux> so u run beryl?
[11:12] <kkosmo> yes
[11:12] <phux> np?
[11:12] <kkosmo> no
[11:12] <phux> don't think of hw probs
[11:12] <kkosmo> not super fast
[11:12] <kkosmo> yes
[11:12] <kkosmo> but is work good
[11:12] <yelonek> hi, i have a bit silly question
[11:12] <kkosmo> ask
[11:12] <yelonek> i'm sharing a directory with kpf
[11:13] <cyber-hazard> tobi: that seems way over my head, man. sorry :(
[11:13] <yelonek> it says it's http server
[11:13] <phux> it must have been the child in me playin with beryl settings
[11:13] <phux> 2 quick
[11:13] <yelonek> how do i connect to this server ?
[11:13] <yelonek> http://localhost/ ?
[11:13] <yelonek> it's listening on 8001
[11:13] <kkosmo> try http://yourip
[11:13] <kkosmo> or localhost
[11:13] <tobi> cyber-hazard: way over your head, that means you have no idea ?
[11:13] <cyber-hazard> yelonek: probably. but if it's a httpd you might need to start the process
[11:13] <yelonek> so that's http://localhost/:8001 ?
[11:13] <cyber-hazard> tobi: yeah, sorry
[11:14] <tobi> hmmm...
[11:14] <tobi> damn
[11:14] <kkosmo> yes
[11:14] <cyber-hazard> yelonek: would be http://localhost:8001
[11:14] <cyber-hazard> yelonek: no slash after localhost
[11:14] <elyon> Is there a GUI program that will rip CDs to ISOs?
[11:14] <cyber-hazard> elyon: i don't know for linux
[11:15] <yelonek> cyber-hazard: thanks, I knew i was doing sth wrong, but didn't know what :)
[11:15] <phux> kkosm: can change beryl as much as u like?
[11:15] <cyber-hazard> yelonek: np :)
[11:15] <kkosmo> sure
[11:15] <phux> f....
[11:15] <kkosmo> what f...
[11:16] <phux> don't know the prob of my comp
[11:16] <phux> running without any setting it is fast but furrious
[11:16] <kkosmo> its weak
[11:16] <kkosmo> without the setting
[11:16] <kkosmo> its not fun
[11:16] <phux> jop
[11:17] <phux> thats what i meant
[11:17] <phux> i just saw the  teeth of the monster but now i just dream of it
[11:17] <lupine_85> elyon: doesn't dd cut it for you?
[11:18] <kkosmo> man i am not to expert in linux but you can try install your graphic card driver maybe its help
[11:18] <kkosmo> too
[11:18] <elyon> lupine_85: Gave me a very vague error...
[11:18] <kkosmo> *
[11:18] <phux> so i did twice
[11:18] <kkosmo> you already install your graphic card driver
[11:18] <kkosmo> ?
[11:18] <elyon> "I/O error" lol that's about it.
[11:19] <phux> y
[11:19] <phux> lol
[11:19] <lupine_85> mm, is it an audio cd?
[11:19] <phux> some conf won't be taken
[11:20] <phux> but thx so far
[11:20] <kkosmo> phux ok man i dont know what to tell you but now i go to learn i have tomorow a test in  biology so i go bye
[11:21] <phux> jop cu thy
[11:21] <yelonek> cyber-hazard: what package do i need to set up smb server ?
[11:22] <yelonek> I found smb4k and linneighbourhood
[11:22] <cyber-hazard> yelonek: not entirely sure. don't know how ubuntu organizes it's package manager yet (new to kubuntu)
[11:23] <killerbee> hello. I am having problems using fglrx (ati display drivers). They seem to run in failsafe kde but when I run regular kde they lock up
[11:23] <killerbee> any ideea what is a stable version of the drivers or what is causing this?
[11:23] <yelonek> all I'm finding is smb browsers
[11:23] <yelonek> I can't find anything to make a server
[11:23] <tobi> cyber-hazard: maybe i found a solution for my "black-window-problem" but i have to reinstall gtk. in fact i'm a perfect newbie, is it riskfull to deinstall gtk ?
[11:24] <cyber-hazard> yelonek: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=samba+server+howto&btnG=Search <- try that
[11:24] <fkrieghoff> Hello. :)
[11:24] <phux> oh..
[11:24] <cyber-hazard> tobi: my viewpoint is that no software change is ever irreversable. however my viewpoint has caused me a lot of work in the past. so it's really your decision
[11:25] <cyber-hazard> tobi: however, gtk isn't that big of a deal to uninstall and reinstall. just make sure you follow whatever solution you have to a T
[11:26] <tobi> cyber-hazard: we will see... whatever, thanks a lot
[11:26] <cyber-hazard> tobi: no problem. good luck :)
[11:27] <yelonek> thx cyber-hazard, it's not that urgent
[11:27] <cyber-hazard> yelonek: okay. well, goodluck on it when you decide to tackle it
[11:28] <sleepy495> If Install a new video card do I have to install the same drivers I had before or no need since they are already installed
[11:28] <fkrieghoff> I can't select my microphone as the capturing device...There's no button or something to select a capturing at kmix...Could somebody help me out? :)
[11:28] <cyber-hazard> sleepy495: call me a gentoo user, but I'd recompile the drivers for optimisations anyways :)
[11:29] <katabatic> anybody got an idea why on my wired connection it won't get an IP automatically at boot, when I have network-manager installed? if I remove network-manager, it works fine
[11:34] <K-Ryan> Hey everybody
[11:35] <Kyral> ICMP ECHO
[11:36] <fkrieghoff> Hi K-Ryan..
[11:36] <K-Ryan> Hello =)
[11:37] <fkrieghoff> Sorry...I'm just busy, googling about my little microphone-problem..
[11:37] <K-Ryan> What's the problem?
[11:38] <fkrieghoff> Got some probs with activating full-duplex on my audigy sound card.
[11:39] <K-Ryan> No idea what full-duplex is, I figured you had some kind of recognization issue. Sorry I can't really help you on that one =P
[11:45] <K-Ryan> !commonlisp
[11:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about commonlisp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:45] <K-Ryan> !common lisp
[11:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about common lisp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:46] <K-Ryan> Hrmm, anyone know what Common Lisp is?
[11:46] <cyber-hazard> !common-lithp
[11:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about common-lithp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:46] <spitwise> hahahahaha
[11:46] <K-Ryan> lol...
[11:46] <Kr4t05> Ok, I have libxine-extracodecs and the latest amarok installed, and, it worked fine only two days ago, but all the sudden, amarok is now complaining about no MP3 support and when I press the button to install it, it hangs.
[11:46] <K-Ryan> No, I see a big section of programs for it in Adept Manager
[11:46] <katabatic> !lisp
[11:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lisp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:47] <K-Ryan> Kr4t05 I get the same thing every once in a while, try a different station
[11:47] <Kr4t05> K-Ryan: Station? I'm playing local files.
[11:47] <K-Ryan> Oh, thought you were off streaming radio
[11:47] <K-Ryan> That's what I use Amarok for and my friends do to so sorry.
[11:48] <K-Ryan> I haven't tried opening mp3s in Amarok but I do know that XMMS works with them.
[11:52] <forceflow_> hey, anyone interested in handing out kubuntu disks outside best buys, circuit city stores, etc, on the day of windows vista release?
[11:52] <K-Ryan> =D
[11:52] <K-Ryan> I would SO do that
[11:52] <forceflow_> exactly!
[11:52] <forceflow_> im trying to get as many people as i can to do it
[11:52] <dwidmann> give me the disks and I'd think about doing it in Charlottesville
[11:52] <forceflow_> maybe get some news coverage
[11:52] <forceflow_> i think it would be a party
[11:52] <jamrs> in regards to vista, has everyone seen this: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt
[11:53] <tek__> dlaczego ni nie moge zapisac na HDD
[11:53] <K-Ryan> uhh, i see "test"
[11:53] <K-Ryan> That's it
[11:53] <jamrs> wow
[11:53] <jamrs> it was just there an hour ago
[11:53] <jamrs> hold on
[11:54] <jamrs> http://antbeeb.members.beeb.net/vista_cost.html
[11:54] <jamrs> try that
[11:55] <MaxDamage``> hey all
[11:55] <MaxDamage``> (yes, im here again to ask noob questions :P)
[11:55] <K-Ryan> Wow, just reading the section titles
[11:55] <K-Ryan> I can't believe it
[11:55] <MaxDamage``> uh, adept keeps saying that there's another packaging program running and it cant work :/
[11:55] <MaxDamage``> whats up with that?
[11:55] <dwidmann> speaking of vista cost, jamrs, are they any solid numbers on the up front $ Microshaft intend to ask for it?
[11:55] <K-Ryan> MaxDamage`` did you terminate Adept?
[11:56] <forceflow_> yeah so 6.06 is available free: maybe we order a good number of those and hand them out:P
[11:56] <K-Ryan> Like, was it not responding a while ago and you terminated it?
[11:56] <forceflow_> i dont know, it's an idea:) anyone who wants to show up, bring your laptop to show off if you want
[11:56] <MaxDamage``> terminate it.. as in shut it down?
[11:56] <dwidmann> !adeptfix
[11:56] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[11:56] <K-Ryan> Terminate it as in a little box came up where you could click "Terminate"
[11:56] <MaxDamage``> thanks dwidmann and ubotu :p
[11:57] <K-Ryan> ubotu is a bot
[11:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is a bot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:57] <MaxDamage``> i know
[11:57] <K-Ryan> Just making sure
[11:57] <MaxDamage``> but machines need love too :p
[11:57] <K-Ryan> =P
[11:57] <cyber-hazard> haha
[11:57] <cyber-hazard> !machine-love
[11:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about machine-love - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:57] <MaxDamage``> hahahaha
[11:57] <cyber-hazard> evidently they don't
[11:57] <K-Ryan> !love
[11:57] <ubotu> Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come.
[11:57] <cyber-hazard> hahahahahhaa
[11:57] <K-Ryan> You were saying?
[11:57] <MaxDamage``> uh yeah
[11:57] <K-Ryan> lmao
[11:57] <MaxDamage``> your right
[11:57] <cyber-hazard> fair enough
[11:57] <dwidmann> ... ubotu must be crazy o.O
[11:58] <K-Ryan> ... in love
[11:58] <K-Ryan> =)
[11:58] <dwidmann> but we still love him/her/it
[11:58] <cyber-hazard> wish I would have talked to ubotu before falling for my ex. would have saved a lot of problems :P
[11:58] <MaxDamage``> well i luv him anyway
[11:58] <MaxDamage``> he helped me many times when i typed stuff with ! for help
[11:59] <MaxDamage``> it worked
[11:59] <MaxDamage``> thanks :)
[11:59] <forceflow_> so yeah
[11:59] <forceflow_> anyone interested at all?
[11:59] <K-Ryan> Np
[11:59] <K-Ryan> forceflow_ I'd do it, when's Vista coming out?
[11:59] <forceflow_> jan 30th
[11:59] <MaxDamage``> *cough* vista?
[11:59] <K-Ryan> I wouldn't get the cds in time =(
[12:00] <forceflow_> handing out kubuntu cds on the release date
[12:00] <Zamber> !DVI
[12:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about DVI - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:00] <forceflow_> im thinking about making them CDs on the spot using my laptop
[12:00] <dwidmann> forceflow, I wonder what it would take to get them to sell the disks on the shelf alongside M$? hmmm, offer them the disks for free perhaps, and tell them they can sell them for $5 each ... they could make good money that way.
[12:00] <dwidmann> Free money
[12:00] <Kr4t05> Does anyone else have a suggestion for my Amarok problem?
[12:00] <MaxDamage``> Kr4t05: what's the problem?
[12:00] <forceflow_> yeah, they really could, the only problem is getting the disks out:P
[12:00] <K-Ryan> dwidmann Having them sell Kubuntu would completely defeat the purpose of FSF
[12:01] <K-Ryan> And the Linux way
[12:01] <dwidmann> Kr4t05: No idea, except perhaps dpkg --purge 'ing amarok, and reinstalling, and seeing if it takes
[12:01] <MaxDamage``> hey
[12:01] <MaxDamage``> sell is a strong word
[12:01] <yuriy> K-Ryan: nothing wrong with selling gpl software
[12:01] <MaxDamage``> and it's not that expensive
[12:01] <MaxDamage``> compared to unix or windows
[12:01] <K-Ryan> I'm not saying it's not allowed, I'm saying it's wrong.
[12:01] <MaxDamage``> well yeah :/
[12:01] <Kr4t05> MaxDamage``: I have libxine-extracodecs and the latest amarak installed, yet it still complains about MP3 support. It worked yesterday, though.
[12:01] <MaxDamage``> but .. i saw it coming too
[12:01] <Kr4t05> amarok*
[12:01] <MaxDamage``> oh i had the same problem
[12:02] <MaxDamage``> and ran an update with adept
[12:02] <cyber-hazard> K-Ryan: a lot of people sell cd's of products. a lot of people want the comfort of having a cd, which most distro's don't provide. the minimal fee ($5) is usually to cover cost of media and handling
[12:02] <MaxDamage``> it all worked fine :)
[12:02] <dwidmann> When I say thety can sell them for $5, I'd rather they be there and get given out for free ... but giving them incentive to do so could go a long way.
[12:02] <forceflow_> my goal though is to offer it for free, so that people realize theyre paying money when they could get something better for free:P
[12:02] <yuriy> nah people like to pay for packaging (as in a nice box), i don't see the problem with making a buck off that
[12:02] <K-Ryan> cyber-hazard We're talking about Kubuntu cds though
[12:02] <forceflow_> packaging can add that touch though
[12:02] <cyber-hazard> K-Ryan: it doesn't matter. any linux can be sold for a few bucks. the world doesn't spin for free
[12:03] <forceflow_> well, technically, the world does spin for free
[12:03] <dwidmann> I wonder what they would do if I put a pile of them on the shelf next to "the other OS"
[12:03] <K-Ryan> No but they could order the CD for free
[12:03] <forceflow_> at least ive never payed that fee:P
[12:03] <cyber-hazard> K-Ryan: as long as they aren't selling it for $50 like Fry's is for Slackware =\
[12:03] <K-Ryan> Instead of paying
[12:03] <MaxDamage``> cyber-hazard: nicely said :)
[12:03] <yuriy> You didn't pay the spin the earth fee? OH NOOOO
[12:03] <MaxDamage``> oh my god
[12:03] <MaxDamage``> he didnt?!
[12:03] <cyber-hazard> haven't you guys seen the satellite photos of the "insert 25 cents here) machine?
[12:04] <dwidmann> Oh noes, the earth might stop spinning now :O
[12:04] <cyber-hazard> the world is like a giant bed found in the rent by the hour hotels
[12:04] <MaxDamage``> now we're all gonna blast to the east with a speed between 850 and 990 km/h
[12:04] <yuriy> i bet if you put a pile of kubuntu ship-it cd's in a store next to other software, if somebody actually looked they would ask "how much?"
[12:05] <sleepy495> Question, if I upgrade my video card will I see a noticible difference in kubuntu, like speed, beryl graphics, etc? I'm upgrading from nvidia 5900 to nvidia 7800
[12:05] <K-Ryan> Of course
[12:05] <Kr4t05> sleepy495: Indeed.
[12:05] <dwidmann> I still really wonder what they would do if I put said pile of cds on the shelf. Would they remove them, throw them away, let people take them? I wonder what their take on it would be.
[12:05] <cyber-hazard> yuriy: of course they would. so make a couple bucks for your trouble, and distribute linux around the world :P
[12:05] <K-Ryan> (talking to yuriy)
[12:05] <MaxDamage``> sleepy495: yes :p
[12:05] <yuriy> sleepy495: do you notice beryl being slow now?
[12:05] <sleepy495> ok, thanks :)
[12:05] <Kr4t05> That's like trading in an '86 Chevelle for an '06 Corvette.
[12:05] <MaxDamage``> yeah
[12:05] <sleepy495> yeah its a little slow, but alot more apps are slow too
[12:05] <Kr4t05> You will notice it.
[12:06] <MaxDamage``> but nothing can beat the '69 charger ;)
[12:06] <cyber-hazard> dwidmann: if it's a small enough store prolly just put them out, just like they do AOL cd's, or fliers for clubs
[12:06] <yuriy> sleepy495: i don't think you'd notice a difference unless you're playing games. that applies to any OS upgrading from a 5900 (except maybe vista)
[12:06] <dwidmann> Small store? No
[12:06] <dwidmann> I'm talking about a larger store
[12:06] <rEvolution27> how do i get amarok to play mp3s?
[12:06] <yuriy> !mp3
[12:06] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:06] <Kr4t05> That's something for Canonical's promotion department to consider.
[12:07] <forceflow_> automatix2 might help:P
[12:07] <Kr4t05> Places like Walmart and Target would be great.
[12:07] <dwidmann> I was thinking BestBuy
[12:07] <sleepy495> Can I just install my new card and start working or I have to re-install the drivers again?
[12:07] <forceflow_> that's where im going to be camping
[12:07] <yuriy> rEvolution27: basically, you need to install the libxine-extracodecs package
[12:07] <Kr4t05> The retail version sould come with a small sheet detailing what you would need to install as far as codecs and drivers.
[12:07] <forceflow_> best buy
[12:07] <dwidmann> sleepy495, should go seemlessly
[12:07] <forceflow_> until they probably kick me out for losing them business:P
[12:07] <Kr4t05> Although, that may be taken care of in Feisty.
[12:08] <dwidmann> I've switched from a 6600gt, to a 7600gt, to a 7900gtx without any driver issues
[12:08] <MaxDamage``> you know.. if im not sick tomorrow im gona make several copies and give em to my friends lol
[12:08] <sleepy495> cool
[12:08] <cyber-hazard> my amarok asked, when I plugged in my iPod, if I wanted to install the mp3 codecs automatically
[12:08] <cyber-hazard> i said yes, it installed, and asked em to restart amarok
[12:08] <cyber-hazard> problem solved
[12:08] <cyber-hazard> maybe I'm just special :P
[12:08] <forceflow_> yeah, in the past week ive converted 3 friends to kubuntu:) all because i gave them free install disks to try
[12:09] <Kr4t05> I'm going to keep a CD rack in the back of my car full of K/X/Ubuntu CDs and other GNU stuff. When someone complains about Vista being over-inflated with spyware, I'll toss one at their head.
[12:09] <forceflow_> they all loved it
[12:09] <dwidmann> I'll be a mailing out a few disks tomorrow :)
[12:09] <MaxDamage``> lol
[12:09] <MaxDamage``> nice
[12:09] <yuriy> forceflow_: nice!
[12:09] <forceflow_> :)
[12:09] <MaxDamage``> i think im gonna give some to the local software shop too
[12:09] <forceflow_> thank you, thank you
[12:09] <|Daisuke_Ido|> forceflow_: it's amazing what an easy-to-use distro can achieve
[12:09] <MaxDamage``> here in my country
[12:09] <MaxDamage``> if its cheap - people get it
[12:09] <Kr4t05> My future business will give the option of Ubuntu and Windows XP/Vista
[12:09] <forceflow_> it really is
[12:10] <MaxDamage``> and i have 25 - 30 cd's laying around doing nothing...
[12:10] <Kr4t05> With options for Dual-Boot
[12:10] <MaxDamage``> im gonna linux the hood
[12:10] <MaxDamage``> :D
[12:10] <dwidmann> I've got a dozen dvds left to waste, as well as a spindle of cds :)
[12:10] <Kr4t05> Shipit has offcially expired?
[12:11] <dwidmann> has it?
[12:11] <Kr4t05> I thought it was supposed to be for LTS versions only, as of Dapper.
[12:12] <dwidmann> Kr4t05: that's what I thought too
[12:12] <pip`> me too
[12:12] <K-Ryan> Shipit is no more?
[12:13] <pip`> wats shipit
[12:13] <forceflow_> wait, shipit died???
[12:13] <K-Ryan> Shipit is where you order your Ubuntu cds
[12:14] <K-Ryan> Hey, when is the next LTS release?
[12:14] <Kr4t05> K-Ryan: Feisty+1
[12:14] <pip`> wat happend 2 shipit
[12:14] <K-Ryan> Ah so it isn't too far away
[12:14] <K-Ryan> Just getting used to Dapper too...
[12:14] <Kr4t05> 7.10?