[12:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79475 in launchpad "Milestone assignment for a spec shows a long list" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79475
[12:40] <kNo`> 10
[12:41] <kNo`> errr.... wrong chanel
[01:15] <luisbg> any launchpad admins around?
[01:16] <LarstiQ> luisbg: what is your question? 
[01:17] <LarstiQ> Perhaps an admin is not required and I can help, or they can later read what you want them for :)
[01:18] <luisbg> I want to delete a registered series
[01:18] <luisbg> it isn't a question but a favor
[01:18] <luisbg> since only admins have to permissions to do so
[01:22] <luisbg> tsmithe, we should ask every now and then until we find an admin, cool?
[01:22] <tsmithe> yeah indeedy
[01:26] <LarstiQ> ah.
[01:26] <luisbg> LarstiQ, is that to us?
[01:26] <LarstiQ> tsmithe: did you file a support ticket?
[01:27] <tsmithe> LarstiQ, no - but i commented on the bug
[01:27] <tsmithe> or was that not enough
[01:28] <LarstiQ> bug 2141, right?
[01:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 2141 in launchpad "You can't remove series in products" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/2141
[01:28] <tsmithe> yeah
[01:28] <luisbg> it isn't really a bug since admins can delete it
[01:28] <luisbg> the bug is needing an admin to delete something yours :P
[01:29] <tsmithe> yeaha
[01:29] <LarstiQ> luisbg: the point is, the bug is about the situation existing, the support ticket would be for your concrete request
[01:29] <tsmithe> i'm very tired
[01:29] <tsmithe> luisbg, can you do it
[01:29] <tsmithe> blame me if you want
[01:29] <luisbg> where I have to do it?
[01:29] <tsmithe> hang on
[01:31] <tsmithe> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+tickets
[01:32] <luisbg> cool, doing so
[01:32] <tsmithe> linky me please when done
[01:35] <luisbg> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+ticket/3206
[01:36] <luisbg> short and explicite =)
[01:38] <Exal|away> Hi, some translator admin around?
[01:39] <LarstiQ> Exal|away: probably not right now, what is your question?
[01:57] <Exal|away> LarstiQ: I only want to belong to spanistransh lation team rigth now
[01:58] <Exal|away> LarstiQ: I have seen that many people is witing for this some back time 
[02:01] <Exal|away> *waiting
[02:01] <LarstiQ> Exal|away: that should be an ubuntu internal thing if I understand things correctly. Is the issue that the ubuntu spanish team isn't responsive?
[02:03] <Exal|away> yes
[02:08] <LarstiQ> Exal|away: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-es/+members mentions you only subscribed today?
[02:09] <Exal|away> LarstiQ: exactly today
[02:10] <LarstiQ> Exal|away: I don't know how that team works, but since there are a lot of people subscribed but not approved, I think there is some step where you need to prove fitness
[02:10] <LarstiQ> so, what should help, is suggesting quality translations in launchpad, I guess
[02:11] <LarstiQ> Exal|away: or ask on http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-es-l10n 
[02:11] <Exal|away> LarstiQ: yes, I have sent a mail
[02:11] <Exal|away> I see i.e.: CarlosGaona   2005-09-26
[02:12] <LarstiQ> https://launchpad.net/~carlos
[02:14] <Exal|away> I will sent a mail to Carlos, thanks LarstiQ 
[02:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79492 in launchpad-bazaar "Badge branches with import/mirror errors" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79492
[02:16] <LarstiQ> Exal|away: np
[02:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79493 in launchpad-bazaar "Highlight important branches" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79493
[02:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79495 in launchpad-bazaar "Inactive branches should "fade away"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79495
[02:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79496 in launchpad-bazaar "Show recent commits across the project" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79496
[03:32] <LarstiQ> I don't suppose there any admins around?
[09:06] <Bhaskar> jinty: hello
[09:07] <Bhaskar> jinty: we are going to deploy school at the end of Jan 2007, but still problem in localization, how can we proceed??
[09:07] <Bhaskar> jinty: if we can not get in success in localization, i think some sort of effect for who those involving in localization of schooltool
[09:08] <Bhaskar> jinty:so pls solve all the problems, together
[09:08] <Bhaskar> jinty: if we not success in localized schooltool, our project will dissolved
[09:13] <Bhaskar> jinty: if this project is dissolved, so bad message for schooltool localization in any country
[09:14] <jinty> Bhaskar, I think you'd better ask ignas in #schooltool what is the estimated time for him to be finished with that bug
[09:16] <jinty> Bhaskar, but I do think that, currently, any reasonable deployment of schooltool requires a high level of python/schooltool/zope3 knowledge
[09:16] <Bhaskar> thla: most of time ignas is in offline in #schooltool
[09:17] <jinty> Bhaskar, I think he just starts a bit later in the day
[09:18] <jinty> Bhaskar, I will ask him about it today, if you like?
[09:19] <carlos> morning!
[09:47] <Bhaskar> jinty: you ask with him today
[09:47] <jinty> Bhaskar, yes
[09:47] <Bhaskar> jinty: well
[09:48] <Bhaskar> jinty: i must localise schooltool within Jan
[09:49] <Bhaskar> jinty: otherwise office will decide to disolve this project, so i am in tension
[09:50] <Bhaskar> jinty: specially i am allocated for this project
[09:51] <jinty> Bhaskar, as I said, I will see what I can do.
[09:52] <Bhaskar> jinty: thanks
[12:05] <cprov> stub: thanks for the db on mawson.
[12:19] <stub> cprov: I haven't rebuilt it yet
[12:20] <cprov> stub: err, my bad, it's still broken, then
[12:24] <stub> cprov: it is rebuilding now
[12:24] <cprov> stub: ok
[12:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79535 in malone "Only parses first request in email requests" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79535
[12:46] <danilos> carlos: is bug 79118 something caused by your recent changes?
[12:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 79118 in rosetta "Problems with "Need Review" and "Save & Continue"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79118
[12:46] <carlos> danilos: I'm on a phone call with Steve. I will see once I'm done
[12:47] <danilos> carlos: ok, thanks
[12:49] <mantiena> Hi all
[12:50] <mantiena> kiko, are you online ?
[12:50] <kiko> mantiena, yes.
[12:52] <static> gooooood morning launchpad
[12:52] <mantiena> kiko, several months ago you told me, that after few monts I will able to add new milestones/releases in Baltix distro (http://launchpad.net/baltix ), I just tested and still can't (or can't find a way :( ), maybe you can help me ?
[12:52] <mantiena> static, hi
[12:53] <kiko> mantiena, it still is not possible.
[12:53] <mantiena> :(
[12:54] <mantiena> kiko, even launchpad admins can't add new releases for Baltix ?
[12:54] <mantiena> I get an error message "you are not allowed"
[01:08] <mantiena> kiko, so, adding new release is not possible only for me, or not possible even for launchpad admins ?
[01:09] <kiko> mantiena, right, it is currently not possible to anyone.
[01:09] <mantiena> :(
[01:10] <kiko> mantiena, I suggest that for now you use a tag to group bugs arbitrarily
[01:12] <mantiena> kiko, ok, thanks, btw, maybe you know when there will be ability to add new release or at least new milestone (I need just one more milestone) ?
[01:30] <kiko> BjornT, can you confirm bug 79353?
[01:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 79353 in ubiquity "Installer crashed installing boot loader" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79353
[01:30] <kiko> err doh
[01:30] <kiko> BjornT, can you confirm bug 79535.
[01:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 79535 in malone "Only parses first request in email requests" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79535
[01:35] <carlos> danilos: could be a bug introduced by me, yes
[01:35] <carlos> danilos: let me finish with the changes SteveA suggested for TranslationReview and will take a close look to that bug
[01:42] <danilos> carlos: sure, thanks
[01:42] <danilos> I need to drop by bank, pick up "mail" from my parents house, so I am announcing a... lunch break! :)
[01:43] <carlos> danilos: see you later!
[03:27] <SteveA> bug 40173
[03:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40173 in malone "When filing a bug, the popup package search should show package descriptions" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/40173 - Assigned to Christian Reis (kiko)
[04:04] <kiko> jordi, my diary now has RSS!!!
[04:06] <WebMaven> SteveA: Hi
[04:09] <Spads_> kiko: do you have a hackergotchi?
[04:13] <kiko> Spads, yeah, I do
[04:13] <Spads> kiko: add yourself to planet ubuntu!
[04:14] <kiko> Spads, how does one do that?
[04:19] <Spads> kiko: there's a bzr tree for the configs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu
[04:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79563 in launchpad "Product release finder script crashes if it can't parse the product version in the given URL." [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79563
[05:05] <SteveA> WebMaven: hello
[05:06] <WebMaven> SteveA: have you figured out yet what kind of sponsorship you'll be doing?
[05:07] <SteveA> yes
[05:07] <SteveA> silver
[05:07] <SteveA> so, thanks for bringing the issue up here initially
[05:07] <WebMaven> Very cool. Have you provided the logos yet?
[05:08] <SteveA> no
[05:08] <SteveA> matthewrevell is doing all that stuff
[05:08] <SteveA> matthewrevell: do you know about getting sponsorship logos to the pycon pepole? 
[05:09] <matthewrevell> SteveA: I was just about to ask if you had a contact
[05:09] <WebMaven> matthewrevell: specs here: http://us.pycon.org/TX2007/HowToSponsor
[05:10] <matthewrevell> WebMaven: Cool, thanks. So, should logo art go to the pycon-sponsors email addr?
[05:10] <WebMaven> I *think* so.
[05:10] <matthewrevell> WebMaven: I'll give that a go.
[05:10] <WebMaven> if not, then surely it will be redirected appropriately.
[05:12] <matthewrevell> WebMaven: Nice one. I'm working on our bag inserts as we speak.
[05:12] <WebMaven> SteveA: I assume you talked to Steve Holden about this, right?
[05:13] <WebMaven> SteveA: I mean, that he returned your email inquiry?
[05:13] <SteveA> I had a voice call with Steve
[05:14] <WebMaven> Excellent. Will the logos go up on the site immediately, or after the check clears?
[05:15] <WebMaven> Also, keep in mind that you get to specify the link on the logo, if you want to create a special landing-page.
[05:17] <WebMaven> matthewrevell: don't forget to get the inserts printed and shipped, as well as a banner, should you want to have one hung.
[05:17] <WebMaven> but there is time for that still.
[05:18] <matthewrevell> WebMaven: Thanks for the list, that's useful.
[05:18] <matthewrevell> SteveA: You happy for me to get banner pricing from Christina?
[05:18] <SteveA> sure
[05:23] <WebMaven> OK, you guys have it well in hand, so I'll go away now.
[05:25] <WebMaven> SteveA: BTW, I've been checking in fixes for ZAlchemy. Soon I'll be checking in demos as well.
[05:26] <WebMaven> SteveA: Do you think you guys will have a release before PyCon?
[05:27] <SteveA> no
[05:33] <WebMaven> SteveA: OK. I was wondering if an impromptu sprint could be organized. But Oh well.
[05:50] <Snoid_07> hi there!
[05:51] <Snoid_07> anyone from Spanish trasnslation group?
[05:51] <Snoid_07> or Spanish (Spain)
[05:52] <Snoid_07> I don't know the difference between both groups.
[05:53] <kiko> Snoid_07, what's up?
[05:54] <Snoid_07> i'm trying to figure out which group of translation is the one used by american-spanish users
[05:55] <Snoid_07> there's a group called Spanish (Spain) and another called Spanish
[05:55] <Snoid_07> Are the translations the same for both?
[05:57] <kiko> carlos, ping?
[05:57] <kiko> or danilos 
[05:57] <carlos> kiko: pong
[05:57] <Snoid_07> i mean, some applications have both groups, not all
[05:57] <kiko> carlos, ^^^
[05:57] <jordi> kiko: I'll subscribe as soon as I get home, mate!
[05:57] <carlos> Snoid_07: usually, it's just 'Spanish'
[05:57] <kiko> heh
[05:57] <Snoid_07> yeah, but... in the case...
[05:57] <heno> kiko: got your mail earlier, thanks. I replied as well.
[05:58] <danilos> Snoid_07: it should be only a single Spanish translation; where there are two, it's usually something locale-based (eg. Gnome Weather applets have "default location", so there is a single translation for every country where Spanish is used in)
[05:58] <carlos> Snoid_07: for Spanish, we try to use a common set of words that can be used for all countries that speak Spanish
[05:58] <kiko> thanks heno 
[05:58] <heno> kiko, SteveA: would anyone object if I used Malone to do this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ForumProject/TestTrackingInMalone ?
[05:58] <heno> It's a bit unorthodox ...
[05:58] <heno> not quite bugtracking
[05:59] <Snoid_07> thanks carlos.
[05:59] <carlos> Snoid_07: np
[06:00] <kiko> heno, hmmm.
[06:01] <Snoid_07>  is there a fast mode to translate a present aplication? (talking about Ubuntu). A set of langfiles or something. And if so, where are they located?
[06:02] <Snoid_07> maybe a little offtopic, i know
[06:03] <kiko> Snoid_07, what's a "fast mode", and which application?
[06:04] <Snoid_07> Gnome-panel2.0
[06:04] <Snoid_07> fats mode = where are the langfiles to edit them
[06:04] <Snoid_07> *fast
[06:06] <Snoid_07> fast way, i meant
[06:06] <kiko> Snoid_07, you can download the files and translate them offline
[06:07] <kiko> if that's what you are asking
[06:07] <Snoid_07> yeah! it can be done
[06:27] <heno> kiko: was that 'hmm' as in you'd block my account for spamming? ;) or just slightly odd
[06:27] <kiko> heno, I found it interesting, but I need to think about it
[06:28] <heno> kiko: ok, cool. no rush. I'll speak with Bjorn in Oslo as well
[06:37] <popey> kiko: any luck with the "I am still getting two mails for every one I should get" from the support ticket system in launchpad?
[06:38] <kiko> popey, flacoste_lunch is back from vacation and is going to look into it
[06:38] <popey> thanks
[06:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79593 in launchpad "Do not hardcode the DistributionMirrorTestHTTPServer port on tests" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79593
[07:17] <flacoste> popey: is there a bug filed about that email issue in the support tracker?
[07:28] <kiko> flacoste, I thought it was known and filed, but perhaps not
[07:28] <flacoste> popey: would it it but bug 79072
[07:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 79072 in launchpad-support-tracker "Mail from answers are all the same" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79072
[07:28] <flacoste> kiko: ^^^ ?
[07:28] <kiko> lemmy see
[07:30] <kiko> flacoste, well,. I think popey is saying that:
[07:31] <kiko> a) he is a member of a team
[07:31] <kiko> b) he is subscribed to a request
[07:31] <kiko> c) the team is subscribed to a request
[07:31] <kiko> he gets emailed twice
[07:31] <flacoste> hmm, that's possible
[07:31] <kiko> flacoste, there is code in Malone that does this collapsing already btw
[07:32] <flacoste> but does the team has an email address?
[07:32] <flacoste> if it does, this isn't a bug, otherwise it is
[07:33] <matsubara> flacoste: I can confirm what kiko described above. I just got 2 emails from a ticket I just subscribed to.
[07:33] <matsubara> flacoste: and the team doesn't have an email address
[07:33] <flacoste> matsubara: do you know if there is a bug filed about that?
[07:34] <matsubara> flacoste: don't think so. let me look for it
[07:38] <matsubara> flacoste: couldn't find; I'll file a new one.
[07:38] <flacoste> matsubara: thanks, assign it to me and make it Critical
[07:45] <BjornT> flacoste: fwiw, i've also noticed duplicate mails from the support tracker. it's from tickets for products where Launchpad QA are support contacts, but i'm not subscribed to the tickets. for example #3206
[07:46] <flacoste> BjornT: you received duplicate emails?
[07:47] <flacoste> BjornT: to which addresses?
[07:48] <BjornT> flacoste: yeah. to my preferred email address, bjorn.tillenius _a_ gmail.com
[07:49] <BjornT> flacoste: it doesn't happen for every notification, though, only a few.
[07:50] <flacoste> weird
[07:50] <flacoste> i'll report another bug about that
[07:54] <BjornT> yeah. i took a look at it last week, but i couldn't reproduce it locally.
[07:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79615 in launchpad-support-tracker "Launchpad sends 2 emails when person is direct subscribed to a request and is also a member of a team subscribed to the request" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79615
[07:58] <flacoste> matsubara: since you are also a member of Launchpad QA, can you confirm this behaviour for ticket #3206 ?
[08:00] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[08:01] <kiko> hello mpt
[08:01] <kiko> mpt, what's your /practical/ comment on bug 44041?
[08:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44041 in malone "Only the leftmost section of the yellow "Affects/Status/Severity/Assigned To" status bar is clickable" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/44041 - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt)
[08:01] <kiko> only practical comments are allowed -- no cynical or blue-skies
[08:01] <kiko> mpt, and/or bug 1095 too :-)
[08:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1095 in malone "Unnecessarily difficult to find how to change status or reassign a bug" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1095
[08:02] <matsubara> flacoste: I do have duplicate emails and they date back from before I subscribed to the request.
[08:02] <matsubara> flacoste: now I'm confused. I don't know if the bug I just reported is the real cause or something else.
[08:02] <mpt> kiko, for 44041 I'd reject it, because clicking on the assignee name should go to that assignee's bugs
[08:02] <mpt> kiko, for 44041 I'd reject it, because I think clicking on the assignee name going to that assignee's bugs is appropriate behavior
[08:03] <mpt> gah
[08:04] <BjornT> flacoste: btw, is should add that i mean really duplicated messages. meaning that even the Message-Id is the same. looking at a code it looks like something is happening after simple_sendmail() is called. (since afaics, a new message-id is generated for each address?)
[08:04] <kiko> mpt, should we have a twisty or something that graphically indicates the expansion too, then?
[08:04] <mpt> kiko, for 1095, I don't think there is a practical solution without substantial changes to the bug page, though the situation should improve a bit when the expand/collapse widgets are restored.
[08:05] <BjornT> flacoste: so it could be that the issue is with how the mail sending is integrated into the transaction system.
[08:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79617 in launchpad-support-tracker "Sometime duplicate notifications are sent to team members" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79617
[08:07] <kiko> mpt, are we restoring them? yes!
[08:07] <mpt> kiko, see the spec :-)
[08:32] <popey> kiko: flacoste no, its not that I am in a team that gets the mails
[08:33] <popey> I am subscribed to the answers as an individual
[08:33] <flacoste> popey: do you receive duplicate notifications for all of them or only some?
[08:46] <Gwaihir> sorry guys...
[08:46] <Gwaihir> does Rosetta handle Universe packages for translations?
[08:46] <mpt> Gwaihir, no
[08:46] <kiko> it does not, Gwaihir 
[08:47] <Gwaihir> ah ok... I was talking in MOTU but they say it does
[09:16] <LarstiQ> hmm
[09:16] <LarstiQ> perhaps someone in here has access to escudero and can help me out?
[09:17] <kiko> hmmm
[09:17] <kiko> ddaa?
[09:17] <ddaa> Yay
[09:17] <ddaa> I have some superveal powers on escudera
[09:17] <ddaa> s/escudera/escudero/
[09:18] <LarstiQ> ddaa: including what becomes http://bazaar-vcs.org/releases/src/ ?
[09:18] <ddaa> hu, no, not that
[09:19] <LarstiQ> feh.
[09:19] <ddaa> prolly poolie, lifeless, and maybe j-a-meinel have access there
[09:19] <LarstiQ> they do, but aren't very responsive atm.
[09:19] <ddaa> otherwise we can bug a sysadmin for you
[09:20] <ddaa> if it's like really urgent OMG
[09:20] <LarstiQ> no, it's not OMG urgent.
[09:20] <LarstiQ> it's 0.14rc1-announcement-delaying urgent
[09:20] <ddaa> *shrug*
[09:21] <LarstiQ> I'll just go ahead opening up bzr.dev first then.
[09:31] <Odd_Bloke> Hi guys, the FAQ seems to suggest that Lauchpad will host Bazaar branches which can be committed to. We currently have a mirror of our own branch set up on Launchpad but would like to make the full transfer. Is this possible?
[09:32] <thumper> ddaa: can you talk Odd_Bloke through this?
[09:33] <kiko> it will not be a happy story
[09:33] <thumper> Odd_Bloke: this is a topic that has been in discussion for some time, and the conclusion that we had got to at this stage is that you cannot convert a branch
[09:33] <ddaa> hu...
[09:34] <ddaa> Odd_Bloke: short answer you can
[09:34] <thumper> you can however push to a new branch
[09:34] <ddaa> you cannot
[09:34] <Odd_Bloke> Pushing to a new branch would retain the revision history, no?
[09:34] <thumper> yes
[09:35] <thumper> it effectively makes an entire new repository on the server
[09:35] <ddaa> The recommended way is that you mark the existing branch as "Abandoned", add "-deleted" to its name, and forget about it. Then push the branch to sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net
[09:35] <thumper> ddaa: see it is asked for :)
[09:35] <ddaa> I damn well know this feature is asked for.
[09:35] <thumper> ddaa: I know, it was a friendly gib
[09:36] <ddaa> and I think I documented the issue we need to fix before implementing it
[09:36] <LarstiQ> thumper: while technically correct, did you really mean repository?
[09:36] <ddaa> LarstiQ: repository as in .bzr/repository
[09:36] <ddaa> not as in bzr init-repository
[09:36] <Odd_Bloke> OK, so forget the existing branch and then 'bzr push sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net'?
[09:36] <ddaa> Odd_Bloke: right
[09:36] <LarstiQ> ddaa: that is why I say, technically correct.
[09:37] <LarstiQ> ddaa: there is still confusion about branches/repositories/workingtrees
[09:37] <Odd_Bloke> And then to pull it out again it's just 'bzr pull sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net'?
[09:37] <thumper> LarstiQ: I'm obviously still confused about that then
[09:37] <kiko> LarstiQ, that is definitely true
[09:37] <ddaa> Odd_Bloke: the first time you'll need to compose the sftp url by hand. It's moderately tricky. There is currently a patch deployed on edge.launchpad.net that gives instruction to other users on how to commit to this branch, including the full sftp url.
[09:37] <ddaa> Odd_Bloke: to pull out you have two options
[09:38] <ddaa> either http://bazaar.launchpad.net for public read-only
[09:38] <ddaa> or sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net for restricted read-write
[09:38] <ddaa> only members of the team owning the branch can use the sftp url
[09:38] <ddaa> though it's recommended to "bzr checkout" from sftp instead of "bzr pull"
[09:39] <thumper> ddaa: why?
[09:39] <ddaa> see http://blogs.gnome.org/view/jamesh/2006/08/17/1
[09:39] <Odd_Bloke> This may be a stupid question, but how does the Launchpad server know what to relate the pushed branch to?
[09:39] <thumper> k
[09:39] <ddaa> thumper: because checkout is the right way to work on multi-committer branches.
[09:39] <LarstiQ> ddaa: hmkay
[09:39] <ddaa> Odd_Bloke: what do you mean by "what"?
[09:40] <thumper> ddaa: but pull is fine if it is just a private branch
[09:40] <Odd_Bloke> ddaa: Hold on, I'll try doing this first and then if I have problems I'll ask. :p
[09:40] <ddaa> Odd_Bloke: the launchpad product is determined by the sftp URL
[09:41] <ddaa> Odd_Bloke: the launchpad owner is determined by the sftp URL
[09:41] <ddaa> the user logging in is determined by the sftp handshake (ssh login and ssh key)
[09:42] <ddaa> thumper: yes, but Odd_Bloke is interested in making a multi-committer branch :)
[09:43] <thumper> fair enough
[09:44] <ddaa> it also has nicer defaults, because push does not default to the parent
[09:45] <ddaa> the common use case with pull-push is "pull from somebody else, push to my public place"
[09:45] <ddaa> here, we have "push and pull from the same place"
[09:45] <ddaa> also, if it is a private branch, you do not need to pull, since you just push new data.
[09:46] <Odd_Bloke> I'm getting "Branches must be inside a person or team directory." errors...
[09:46] <ddaa> ...
[09:46] <LarstiQ> Odd_Bloke: what are you using as url to push to?
[09:47] <ddaa> Odd_Bloke: the sftp URL needs to conform to the syntax described there: https://code.launchpad.net/
[09:47] <ddaa> or there: http://ddaa.net/blog/launchpad/bzr-hosting
[09:48] <ddaa> if you give me more details (your launchpad account name, the product, the team, the branch name) I can tell you the exact URL to use.
[09:50] <Odd_Bloke> ddaa: Thanks, that seems to now be working.
[09:50] <ddaa> what's the url of the branch page?
[09:51] <Odd_Bloke> https://code.launchpad.net/~gryle-devel/+branch/gryle/trunk
[09:52] <Odd_Bloke> Just got the confirmation from bzr.
[09:53] <Odd_Bloke> And the timestamp of the error on the page is before the push had completed.
[09:53] <ddaa> Odd_Bloke: yeah, known bug
[09:53] <ddaa> the error should disappear in 10 mins
[09:53] <ddaa> ideally, we would track sftp sessions to avoid this race
[09:54] <Odd_Bloke> Just doing a checkout into a different directory as a test.
[09:55] <bdmurray> I'm having an issue pushing a branch to launchpad, is this the right place to look for assistance?
[09:55] <ddaa> duh!
[09:55] <ddaa> bdmurray: absolutely
[09:55] <ddaa> Looks like this FAQ entry suddently increased my popularity by a tenfold :)
[09:55] <bdmurray> The error is: bzr: ERROR: Parent directory of sftp://brian-murray@bazaar.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/bughelper/bughelper.dev does not exist.
[09:56] <ddaa> mh
[09:56] <Odd_Bloke> ddaa: That's worked, thanks again.
[09:57] <ddaa> bdmurray: I thought this bug was fixed. Try adding the "--create-prefix" option to bzr push.
[09:58] <bdmurray> ddaa: yes, that fixed it
[09:58] <ddaa> bdmurray: by the way, what was the full command you entered to get this error?
[09:58] <bdmurray>  bzr push sftp://brian-murray@bazaar.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/bughelper/bughelper.dev
[09:58] <ddaa> looks good
[09:59] <ddaa> weird, I cannot see the branch there https://code.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/+branches
[09:59] <bdmurray> hmm, looking at the output again it says 0 revisions pushed
[10:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79637 in malone "Code that constructs the nomination +editstatus URL wrongly assumes ILaunchBag.bugtask will not return None." [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79637
[10:01] <ddaa> bdmurray: it looks like you are acting confused
[10:02] <ddaa> bdmurray: check that the current directory in your shell is indeed within the branch you intend to upload ("bzr info", or "bzr log | less")
[10:02] <ddaa> and paste the last command you ran with its full output to some pastebin
[10:03] <ddaa> this feature works very reliably, but it's a bit confusing to use at first.
[10:04] <bdmurray> ddaa: I believe I see the issue.  The publish to branch is different than the push url.  How would I change the publish to branch?
[10:05] <ddaa> The branch you have was created with "bzr checkout", right?
[10:06] <ddaa> bdmurray: it would be easier for me to help if you showed me the output of bzr info and the command you ran and its output.
[10:06] <bdmurray> it looks like I initially used "bzr branch" and not "bzr checkout", if I recall correctly I received an error with bzr checkout
[10:07] <ddaa> because now I can only speculate
[10:08] <bdmurray> bzr info and my failing push command correct?
[10:08] <ddaa> yes please
[10:09] <flacoste> matsubara, kiko: can one of you run a query for me on staging?
[10:09] <kiko> yes
[10:09] <bdmurray> http://pastebin.com/860792
[10:11] <flacoste> kiko: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/filelmFvE7.html
[10:11] <flacoste> kiko: just tell me how long this takes to execute
[10:12] <flacoste> i'm trying what I think is a trivial fix to the +needsattention timeout
[10:12] <kiko> it's pretty fast flacoste 
[10:13] <flacoste> great, the timeout was caused by a typo then!
[10:13] <kiko> what typo?
[10:13] <kiko> https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/fileocuOlP.html
[10:13] <kiko> it could be table locks
[10:13] <flacoste> in the last subselect, the outer select was referenced by mistake
[10:13] <kiko> or different data causing different behaviours
[10:13] <kiko> etc
[10:13] <flacoste> Ticket.id instead of t.id
[10:14] <flacoste> really silly
[10:14] <flacoste> kiko: compare with https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/filezkusuL.html 
[10:15] <kiko> flacoste, that is even faster
[10:15] <flacoste> really?
[10:16] <flacoste> that doesn't make sense!?!
[10:16] <ddaa> bdmurray: checking
[10:16] <ddaa> this is weird
[10:16] <bdmurray> thanks
[10:18] <ddaa> So... you previously did "bzr push sftp://brian-murray@bazaar.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/bughelper.main/doc.update", which failed because there is no product "bughelper.main" in launchpad.
[10:18] <flacoste> kiko: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/filemlD5RP.html is the actual query timeing out, can you check what is its performance on staging?
[10:20] <ddaa> bdmurray: try "bzr info sftp://brian-murray@bazaar.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/bughelper/bughelper.dev", and paste the command and output, please.
[10:20] <kiko> flacoste, /that/ query takes a long time.
[10:20] <ddaa> bdmurray: it looks like this URL is not interpreted correctly, and that there's already a branch there.
[10:21] <salgado> mpt, ping!
[10:21] <flacoste> kiko, the the difference are the prejoins, could this be the problem?
[10:21] <kiko> sure it could
[10:21] <kiko> definitely
[10:21] <kiko> in particular if there are missing indexes
[10:21] <mpt> salgado, nice ping you've got there :-)
[10:22] <salgado> heh
[10:22] <flacoste> kiko, they should have indices
[10:22] <salgado> mpt, I'm fixing bug 70518 and I was wondering if you could give me some help on the text that will go in the email...
[10:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70518 in launchpad "Notify team members when their membership is going to expire" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70518 - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado)
[10:23] <flacoste> kiko, just to make sure the typo isn't the culprit, can you try https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/fileUZdMcW.html
[10:23] <bdmurray> ddaa: http://pastebin.com/860802 - which URL is not interprested correctly?
[10:23] <ddaa> bdmurray: you need to install paramiko
[10:23] <ddaa> sftp won't work without it
[10:23] <kiko> flacoste, https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/file1bO1Id.html
[10:24] <ddaa> bdmurray: and you should also delete /home/theman/ubuntu/bughelper.main/sftp:/brian-murray@bazaar.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/bughelper/bughelper.dev/
[10:24] <ddaa> actually
[10:24] <flacoste> kiko: is that the query with or without the typo?
[10:24] <ddaa> bdmurray: you should delete /home/theman/ubuntu/bughelper.main/sftp:
[10:24] <flacoste> and how do you get the query plan and the runtime?
[10:25] <kiko> flacoste, that's the last  query you gave me
[10:25] <flacoste> ah, explain analyze
[10:25] <kiko> flacoste, right.
[10:25] <ddaa> bdmurray: what version of bzr are you using? If it's the latest (0.13), please bug the #bzr folks about this  failure mode on my behalf.
[10:27] <bdmurray> ddaa: I believe I am running that latest version for Dapper - 0.8.2
[10:27] <mpt> salgado, is there a standard procedure for applying for membership renewal?
[10:27] <ddaa> oh...
[10:27] <bdmurray> Is it still worth reporting?
[10:27] <ddaa> nope
[10:28] <ddaa> 0.8.2 is old history, let me dig the apt.sources line you shoud add to get a recent bzr
[10:28] <salgado> mpt, no
[10:28] <ddaa> the bzr folks are trying to get a UVF exception to update bzr on Dapper
[10:28] <bdmurray> UVF?
[10:28] <ddaa> Upstream Version Freeze
[10:29] <LarstiQ> ddaa: 0.14rc1 just got uploaded
[10:29] <kiko> congrats LarstiQ 
[10:29] <ddaa> bdmurray: basically, so the default bzr version on dapper will be 0.13 or something more usable than 0.8
[10:29] <bdmurray> ddaa: Does the information about paramiko belong here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BzrContributorHowto ?
[10:30] <ddaa> bdmurray: debhttp://bazaar-vcs.org/releases/debs/./
[10:30] <ddaa> details are found there http://bazaar-vcs.org/DistroDownloads
[10:31] <ddaa> bdmurray: I do not know, but it sounds like a good place to put a warning.
[10:31] <mpt> salgado, would it be fairly easy to print the list of team administrators in this message?
[10:31] <ddaa> bdmurray: I am not an Ubuntu person, I just do Launchpad and Bazaar.
[10:31] <bdmurray> ddaa: okay, I'll add it in just in case.  Thanks for all of your help.
[10:31] <salgado> mpt, yes, that's trivial
[10:32] <ddaa> bdmurray: you're more than welcome, don't forget to tell your friend how nice and helpful the Launchpad folks are :)
[10:32] <ddaa> s/friend/friends/
[10:32] <bdmurray> ddaa: will do. ;)
[10:34] <flacoste> kiko: what about that one https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/fileWQsrFa.html ?
[10:34] <mpt> salgado, are you intending to implement a separate "Your membership has expired" message for when it actually does expire?
[10:34] <kiko> flacoste, still slow.
[10:35] <salgado> mpt, that is already implemented. I'll paste it so you can see what it looks like
[10:35] <mpt> cool
[10:38] <flacoste> kiko: and that one: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/filefVrPtI.html
[10:38] <salgado> mpt, https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/filexq53uc.html
[10:38] <mpt> salgado, that message won't work for expiry
[10:38] <mpt> because there will be no reviewer_name
[10:38] <mpt> right?
[10:38] <salgado> mpt, the reviewer in that case is the Team Membership Janitor, a celebrity
[10:39] <mpt> ugh
[10:40] <mpt> "The status of your membership in the team Fighters Against Software Anthropomorphism was changed by Team Membership Janitor from Approved to Expired."
[10:40] <mpt> anyway
[10:42] <mpt> ("And don't argue, because it was a celebrity who changed it.")
[10:42] <mpt> salgado, I commented on #70518 with a suggested template
[10:42] <salgado> hah. I'll hardcode that as the comment in this case
[10:43] <salgado> thanks mpt!
[10:43] <mpt> and while I was writing it, I realized that we should have standard boilerplate: "(This is an automated message. Replies to this address will not be read.)"
[10:44] <salgado> yeah, that'd be nice indeed
[10:46] <salgado> mpt, all other membership notification emails have a 'Launchpad:' prefix in their subjects. do you have something against it?
[10:49] <mpt> no, I just didn't know that
[10:50] <salgado> I guess it's okay for me to add it to the subject you suggested, then?
[10:50] <mpt> sure
[10:56] <bdmurray> ddaa: do you know whom I would talk to about the bzr website?
[10:57] <salgado> mpt, one last question... when you write "<{url of foo}>", does it mean that the "<>" should be included in the final version?
[10:57] <ddaa> bdmurray: matthewrevell, poolie, j-a-meinel. The #bzr channel is a more appropriate forum for this.
[10:57] <popey> 19:34 < flacoste> popey: do you receive duplicate notifications for all of them or only some?
[10:57] <popey> some
[10:58] <flacoste> popey: ok, thanks
[10:58] <flacoste> i'll look into this
[11:09] <kiko> flacoste, for the first one:  Total runtime: 12230.706 ms
[11:09] <flacoste> kiko, interesting, that one has the sourcepackage prejoin removed
[11:09] <kiko> for the second one: 21090.739
[11:11] <flacoste> first one had person prejoin removed, second one had sourcepackage prejoin removed
[11:12] <flacoste> can you tell me how long it takes without any prejoin: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/fileyYF754.html
[11:12] <flacoste> kiko: ^^^
[11:13] <kiko>  Total runtime: 2636.834 ms
[11:14] <kiko>                                              Hash Cond: ("outer".message = "inner".id)
[11:14] <kiko>                                              ->  Seq Scan on ticketmessage  (cost=0.00..181.28 rows=10428 width=8) (actual time=0.003..15.678 rows=10405 loops=1)
[11:14] <kiko> flacoste, missing an index perhaps?
[11:14] <flacoste> probably, i'll ask stub to take a look into this
[11:15] <kiko> there's another seq scan on ticket
[11:16] <mpt> salgado, yes
[11:16] <mpt> salgado, also, the first "will expire" should be "is due to expire"
[11:24] <ddaa> Good night folks.
[11:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79647 in launchpad "Automated messages should have "do not reply" boilerplate" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79647
[11:30] <kiko> mpt, alternatively, ensure that the reply-to address hits somewhere where somebody will read it