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[01:54] tonyyarusso: you want to talk about it now [01:54] ? [01:54] Burgundavia: Sure [01:54] Whoever's up for it, I'm listening :) [01:55] basically main inclusion reports means Canonical is willing to support it, at the current moment [01:55] right [01:55] packages into main must not be duplicative and have a fairly good security record [01:55] hello Burgundavia [01:55] hey bhale === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:55] the primary person who reviews them in Martin Pitt [01:55] What's duplicative? Matching features of another? [01:55] how goes life? [01:56] basically yes [01:56] Burgundavia: ltns [01:56] Burgundavia: life is good [01:56] Yeah, pitti's apparently gmt+1 though :( [01:56] so we will accept on KDE text editor, one GNOME one, etc. [01:56] gotcha [01:56] most main inclusion things recently have been hole filling in existing desktops [01:57] the last major bit brought in was XFCE === Hobbsee well maybe two kde text editors... [01:57] it is also new libs that introduce new features into existing packages [01:57] XFCE overall was one MIR? [01:57] I wrote one most recently for Sametime IM support in gaim [01:57] pulling in libmeanwhile [01:57] no, several [01:57] ah [01:58] one MIR is required for each source package accepted [01:58] in general, if the source has already been in main, in another package, it will be accepted [01:58] ie: if you split a source package for whatever reason [01:58] What parts of the application process are most frequently done incorrectly/insufficiently? === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:59] for the MIR? [01:59] Yeah [01:59] Things people should be extra-aware of if they've never done one before, but are somewhat interested. [02:00] generall people just don't fill all the details out [02:00] all the bits needs to be filled out and the rationale needs to a strong one === tonyyarusso nods [02:02] Would there be anyone I could say to contact for guidance on one other than pitti / would it be appropriate to mention a name? (UWN) [02:03] in general, ask around for one of the core devs to look it over [02:05] All right, I'll see what I can do with that. Let me know if you remember anything else. [02:05] ok [02:05] MIR are really not that hard === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:05] it is getting a package that is worth it [02:05] hey jono [02:06] hey [02:06] jono!!!! [02:06] hey Hobbsee :) [02:06] Hobbsee: you at LCA? [02:06] jono: no, but i was at lowenbrau [02:07] Hobbsee: really? [02:07] mmm, steins of lowenbrau..... === mjg59 is unsurprised that jono can remember little [02:07] Hobbsee: shame we didnt meet up [02:07] mjg59: :P [02:07] jono: yes. i saw you in the room, but you were happily talking, so didnt go up [02:07] oh, and StevenK and i left at about 11pm [02:07] Hobbsee: come and interrupt next time :) [02:07] right [02:08] jono: hehe. i thougth about it. [02:08] Hobbsee: You'll be here for the open day? [02:08] mjg59: yes [02:08] Excellent [02:08] hey mjg59 [02:08] mjg59: i dont know what you look like though, so it's fairly impossible to come say hello [02:08] Hobbsee: images.google is your friend [02:09] the legend of Matthew Garrett [02:09] Except I have longer hair at the moment [02:09] look for an angry man trying to avoid fixing everyones laptops [02:09] I've fixed no laptops yet! [02:09] But I'm helping to run a session on fixing laptops in the kernel miniconf this afternoon [02:10] (And desperately trying to write my talk for tomorrow right now) [02:10] hehe [02:10] mjg59, how about power management on opensolaris? :) [02:10] jono: lca is crap for the people who already live in sydney, but not the city :P [02:11] Maybe you guys will implement it some day [02:11] heh [02:11] mjg59: hrm, okay, didnt notice you at lowenbrau then [02:12] Hobbsee: Oh, I wasn't there [02:12] Sorry, should have been clearer [02:13] mjg59: ahhhh. that explains [02:13] mind you, with 80+ people there, it's understandable that i didnt see you :P [02:13] even if you were there === rarrrrrr [n=alan@CPE-75-81-127-57.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D8FD6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@32-182.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rarrrrrr [n=alan@CPE-75-81-127-57.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=robertj@66-188-70-20.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jmg [n=cartel@shinobi.thoughtcrime.org.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:49] hi all [03:49] is there a policy document or something that talks about why ubuntu uses python [03:50] about *why* ubuntu uses python? [03:50] or how to package python stuff for ubuntu? [03:50] why [03:50] Ubuntu doesn't in particular [03:50] there is no policy [03:50] it's just that a lot of people (not just Ubuntu) like it [03:51] oh [03:51] because of the libraries for it, and it's an easy programming language, and people like it. [03:51] i thought there was a pythonise everything policy [03:51] no [03:51] ok then [03:51] my mistake [03:51] im sure ive seen it [03:51] "why python" [03:52] it's a common one. Mark Shuttleworth likes to push Python as a good programming language [03:52] and we tend to favor it for sure [03:52] but there is no policy [03:52] and we don't intentionally go and rewrite stuff just because it's not Python [03:53] alright then === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D8FD6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:55] :) === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@169.222.10.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lukas [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.12.99.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia_ [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mynameisdeleted [n=stv@c-71-62-73-64.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:37] hi === beuno [n=martin@200-122-64-25.cab.prima.net.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee waves [05:39] who do I email if I want my xubuntu mirror listed in the official mirrors list [05:39] and what are the requirements for that? [05:40] its on gigabit ethernet connected to a datacenter [05:40] so it can provide a full gigabit of bandwidth theoretically [05:42] and it syncs once a day automatically [05:42] hmm [05:43] can't remember who to email, sorry === sgithens [n=sgithens@c-71-201-56-4.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:53] <_ion> mirrors@ubuntu.com probably === Gman [n=gman@169.222.9.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@blk-137-114-65.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-1e331b337b346141] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@169.222.10.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dogmatism [n=josh@24.115.218.54.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === leexgx [n=user@cpc2-warr4-0-0-cust928.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rarrrrrr [n=alan@CPE-75-81-127-57.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rideout [n=rideout@71-215-81-103.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:43] morning [06:43] morning fabbione [06:44] heya fabbione! === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-8bce7b56aec70f83] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fnordus [n=dnall@24.85.128.203] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman_ [n=gman@169.222.9.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman_ is now known as Gman === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-14-157.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:00] Good morning [08:01] yo Martin === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-135-240.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:10] good morning [08:10] hey doko, pitti [08:10] Mithrandir: please requeue pygresql (all archs) and bzrtools (i386) [08:11] doko: right, new libpq-dev is in the archive [08:12] Mithrandir: if you are at it, please give-back qt-x11-free as well (it failed due to the same bug in libpq-dev) [08:13] doko,pitti: given-back; === pounk [n=pounk@ip216-239-78-51.vif.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione waves to the german crowd [08:16] Mithrandir: thanks === pecisk [n=pecisk@purvc-44-54.maksinets.lv] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:19] Mithrandir: about those sync-requests.. all but one are ack'd now [08:19] oh wait, I made some new ones yesterday === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:22] tepsipakki: please don't subscribe ubuntu-archive until they're acked, they'll just clutter the list I use to do them. [08:23] ok, sorry [08:24] subscribing ubuntu-archive is akin to saying "please process this report" which we obviously can't do before it's complete. [08:26] I recall some doc saying that when requesting a sync u-a should be subscribed [08:27] but can't find it now [08:27] Exactly, but not if you're not a MOTU. [08:28] right :) [08:28] If you aren't, request a sync, and the MOTU will ACK it and then subscribe ubuntu-archive [08:28] s/the/then/ [08:28] correct. [08:29] WHHEEEEEe [08:29] between doko and pitti we could have just reupload all of feisty [08:29] it would have been faster [08:29] fabbione: hey, I only had 10 uploads or so [08:30] i saw a bunch too from yesterday :) [08:30] fabbione: fewer uploads than for the 2.3->2.4 transition :) [08:30] Mithrandir: we need the big green button on LP: "Rebuild world" [08:30] fabbione: just the automated language packs ;-P [08:31] oh i am happy if you rebuild everything [08:31] it will make more pkgs debuggable on sparc [08:31] just upload even more [08:31] ALL of the archive === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A64EF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex-weej [n=alex@halls-129-31-82-59.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:40] fabbione: no, we won't do mass rebuilds and put the resulting binaries in the archive. [08:41] hmm, did the gnomies break things yesterday? [08:41] Mithrandir: i know we don't. we should be able with LP adding a proper source entry and reupload the source automatically [08:41] Mithrandir: could you give back revelation? (just on one arch to try my theory) [08:42] doko: amd64 and ppc had gtk uninstallable for a little while yesterday, yes. [08:42] doko: given-back on amd64 === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-b1a358a811c60c56] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:48] pitti: you asked for an strace sync two months ago, it seems. It failed to build on i386; would you care to investigate? [08:49] Mithrandir: oh, sure [08:50] pitti: also, python-apport-utils is not built any more? === Gman is now known as GmanAFK [08:50] Mithrandir: right, that can go away [08:50] pitti: python-apport-utils is a package that is removed on every upgrade currently [08:50] that is ok I presume? [08:50] mvo: then it works correctly :) [08:50] replaced by python-apport [08:50] pitti: thanks; removed from the archive. [08:50] I moved everything into a proper python package now [08:51] great, thanks === Zdra [n=zdra@66.170-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:57] dear bzip2 developers. Please do not call fprintf, nor fclose, nor exit in a signal handler. Love, Tollef. === Seeker` [n=Seeker@195-112-32-168.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:58] holy crap, how long does it take to tidy a chroot with gnome build-deps installed? [09:00] not long... rm -rf chroot; mkdir -p chroot; debootstrap feisty chroot === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:02] Mithrandir: please requeue revelation on powerpc as well [09:04] Riddell: kde's detection of python versions is so broken ... === jinty [n=jinty@196.207.32.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:05] doko: given-back. [09:07] Mithrandir: please give back papaya on amd64 (gnome ...) [09:09] doko: not on ppc? === freeflying [i=flyingfr@205.196.222.12] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:12] Mithrandir: hmm, this has still "Needs building", yes, sparc as well === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:15] rideout: debtags uploaded over a month ago is FTBFS. [09:15] Mithrandir: what? [09:15] rideout: oops, tab-completion error. [09:16] Riddell: debtags uploaded over a month ago is FTBFS. === carlos [n=carlos@154.Red-83-40-82.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:22] <\sh> packages with unmet deps, can we still force a rebuild with adding buildY as version add to debian/changelog? [09:23] \sh: that is the correct way to just do a rebuild, yes. === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:28] mvo: do you know that current u-manager immediately crashes with a python exception? [09:30] pitti: I told him yesterday [09:30] pitti: he blames python-dbus and doko :p [09:30] pitti: yes, I haven't debugged it yet, but it looks like it was introduced from python2.5 dbus [09:30] hey pitti mvo [09:30] mvo: python2.5-dbus is gone [09:30] heyhey seb128 [09:31] doko: what do you mean, it's using python2.4 again? [09:31] hey seb128 [09:32] seb128: btw, your patch for bug 58373 changed things for the worse [09:32] Malone bug 58373 in xorg-server "Blue compiz for PowerPC" [Unknown,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58373 [09:32] Mithrandir: could you promote gstreamer-tools binary (from gstreamer0.10 package) so gst-plugins-base0.10 and gst-plugins-good0.10 which Build-Depends on it can build? ;) [09:32] seb128: instead of a tinted blue screen I now get a completely white screen with compiz enabled [09:32] and turned x86* on white [09:32] seb128: python-dbus ;-P [09:32] fabbione: oh, then it's not just ppc any more [09:32] pitti: dunno :) i was trying to give some X hell to seb128 :P [09:32] doko: ping [09:32] pitti: same for everybody apparently, and that's not due to the patch, that has been triggered by the package rebuild [09:32] mneptok: bash pong? [09:33] pitti: but i saw several reports === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F7277C.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:33] seb128: promoted [09:33] doko: do you have access to a PPC machine running Edgy? [09:33] hey hey dholbach [09:33] pitti: rebuilding the package without the patches from the new revision does the same :/ [09:33] hi dholbach [09:33] doko: (not bash. Java.) :/ [09:33] Mithrandir: thank you [09:33] Mithrandir: BTW what is libgimme-codec to NEW? [09:33] mneptok: chroot in the data center, nothing more at the moment [09:33] s/what// [09:33] seb128: it'll be visible in about an hour. [09:33] good morning [09:33] hey pitti, hey seb128 [09:33] mneptok: i do [09:33] hey dholbach! [09:34] seb128: libgimme-codec didn't ship a copy of the licence in the orig.tar.gz, it was in the diff. [09:34] heya mvo [09:34] Mithrandir: right, and I uploaded it again like half an hour after the rejected mail [09:34] doko: looks like sun-java5-jre on PPC has a dependency on sun-java5-bin(i386) [09:34] Mithrandir: with the COPYING.LIB to the orig that time [09:34] that .... doesn't work so well ;) [09:34] mneptok: sure, please convince sun to release sun-java for ppc, kthxbye ;-P [09:34] seb128: oh, you just missed my NEW processing yesterday, then. I'll go look at it when I get bored at fixing stuff from feisty_outdate.txt. [09:35] doko: hm, pygresql finally built, but not on sparc/ia64 [09:35] Mithrandir: ok thank you, it's needed for EasyCodecInstallation ;) [09:35] doko: *gasp* i thought they did that like 8 months ago!? [09:35] doko: ah, seems that new psql is not yet built there, I'll chase this [09:36] doko: pardon the smell of my brain fart. i'll go back under my rock. [09:36] mneptok: np [09:36] Mithrandir: can you please give-back pygresql on ia64 and sparc? === milli [n=milli@famfrit.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:37] pitti: given-back [09:37] Mithrandir: and qt-x11-free on powerpc? [09:37] Mithrandir: merci [09:38] pitti: qt-x11-free> given-back. [09:40] argh, a broken bzr push really hurts [09:42] doko: there's a sync request for paramiko; will the new version fix the Crypto.Util.randpool module or shall I file a bug about that? [09:43] doko: hm, no, it doesn't === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:45] doko: ok, I filed a bug and sub'ed lifeless [09:47] seb128: is it really deliberate that the System menu is so empty now, and I must use this control-center thingy? [09:47] seb128: http://librarian.launchpad.net/5650834/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-ia64.evolution-data-server_1.9.5-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ; You are winn0r. (I have no idea why it fails there, but please check) [09:47] pitti: thanks [09:48] Mithrandir: gtk-doc b0rked on ia64 [09:48] pitti: yep [09:48] seb128: ugh. Any idea if/when it'll be fixed? [09:48] pitti: that's the way to not get those crowded menus we had [09:48] seb128: :-( === cain_ [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:49] seb128: and now we get a crowded c-c where it takes even longer to find stuff [09:49] Mithrandir: it's b0rked for months, probably not soon, my usual workaround it to not build the documentation during the build since they ship it with the tarball anyway [09:49] and not even with admin/user stuff clearly separated === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:49] Mithrandir: I'll change that, we probably made it build when we synced with Debian [09:49] seb128: ok, thanks. [09:50] pitti: categories are going to be fixed, they are not set correctly for many items atm [09:50] fabbione: you are the winner of a graphviz build failure on sparc; bus error. Care to investigate? [09:50] pitti: and when you open the shell the focus is on the search entry to filter [09:50] pitti: just type there :p [09:51] seb128: ok, I bow to the power of approved specs (I assume?), I still don't like it :) [09:52] pitti: no, that's the power of upstream [09:52] ("What is a GNOME and why should I control it?") [09:52] pitti: there is a bug open about the item name, it's going to be fixed === pitti registers pitti-wants-preferences-menu-back spec [09:52] :) === pitti hugs seb128 === seb128 hugs pitti back [09:53] pitti: it's probably not that hard to get a menu back, the problem is that you will get submenus for the categories [09:54] pitti: having the menu is just a matter of changing /etc/xdg/menus/*.menu [09:54] seb128: what's your preference? [09:54] if I'm the only one who doesn't like it, I just shut up [09:55] pitti: well, we are trying to "solve" the crowded menus problem for some time and the new shell is what Novell did after doing usability studies, etc [09:56] pitti: so I would give a chance to the new way, though I'm used to the menus and I find them easier to use atm [09:56] seb128: but now it's one entry ("GNOME c-c") instead of two (prefs and admin), and the system menu itself got less useful [09:56] pitti: well, the shell has categories [09:57] pitti: we could do one "admin" category [09:58] Mithrandir: ugh, that strace thing really sucks, will take me a while [09:59] pitti: sure, no hurry for me, I just noticed it was out of date. === Seeker` [n=cjo20@ip-62-105-182-26.dsl.twang.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:04] Mithrandir: i already did and there is a but open for it [10:04] Mithrandir: and no, i am not the winner [10:05] Mithrandir: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gs-esp/+bug/76749 [10:05] Malone bug 76749 in gs-esp "[SPARC/feisty] gs-esp BUS ERROR" [High,Unconfirmed] [10:05] Mithrandir: that causes graphiz to FTBFS [10:07] Mithrandir: and it's easy to reproduce on faure. so Ian or whoever can fix it [10:08] it's still a sparc-only bug, so you win anyway. :-P [10:08] Mithrandir: nope.. i don't [10:08] i swear.. i don't === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dous_ [n=dous@209.190.9.168] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo grumbles about broken python-dbus with python2.5 [10:26] mvo: works in underway on the debian dbus experimental package afaik [10:27] mvo: at least smcv told me that [10:36] dholbach: do you have more details? it looks like the real problem is pyrex [10:36] Mithrandir: strace FTBFS fix uploaded [10:36] mvo: that's what smcv said too [10:37] mvo: he said he's working on it and will upload it to experimental [10:37] mvo: he's on #telepathy if you want to talk to him [10:37] pitti: yay you! [10:39] dholbach: I'm testing a paatch currently, lets see if that one works [10:39] mvo: ROCK === fbenites [n=chatzill@141.99.45.63] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:46] hi! [10:48] i want to use skas to build the ubuntu-kernel, does someone have experience with it? === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F513B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=francis@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-b8116d15c0f1b8cb] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:58] mynameisdeleted: mirrors@ubuntu.com; information at http://www.ubuntu.com/download/mirror === cypher1_ [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-1b0db94bb3e5e46d] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A6721C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:07] dholbach: hrm, patch not working. *grumpf* === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rarrrrrr [n=alan@CPE-75-81-127-57.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ArtVandalae [n=ArtVanda@ppp66-42.lns1.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:13] iwj: could you please look at bug #76749 ? i don't know the code base there.... [11:13] Malone bug 76749 in gs-esp "[SPARC/feisty] gs-esp BUS ERROR" [High,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76749 === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:16] why does ubuntu not support skas? [11:16] huh? [11:16] fabbione: Sure, but I think it actually needs debugging. I'll assign it to me. Is it urgent to investigate ? [11:17] iwj: Mithrandir keeps bugging me about graphiz that FTBFS on sparc because of that.. [11:17] Mithrandir: ^ [11:17] iwj: it's reproducible on faure easily [11:17] fabbione: seriously, I don't "keep bugging you", I've asked you once about it. [11:17] mvo_: is the fix for bug #68553 going to be in dapper or not? update from 6.06 LTS to 6.10 is apparently still breaking for anyone using Finnish locale [11:17] Malone bug 68553 in update-manager "Dapper upgrade to Edgy: Frozen dist-upgrade and failed second run (in finish locales" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68553 [11:17] Mithrandir: twice :P [11:18] Mithrandir: but no.. you don't bug me.. [11:18] there was some hirony there... [11:18] sorry if it was not spottable [11:18] fabbione: no, I did it once. Colin did so too before xmas, but I'm not cjwatson. [11:19] well you are all RM's :) [11:19] same team === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.17] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:19] Mithrandir: So is it urgent ? You should bug me about it now instead of fabbione :-). [11:19] (your one line working fix for python-apt was at http://librarian.launchpad.net/4937800/dist-upgrader-fix-68553.diff ) [11:19] iwj: thanks for looking at it [11:20] iwj: no, it's not urgent, but I don't count on people reading http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/feisty_outdate.txt and being able to interpret the output there. [11:21] Mithrandir: Err, I'm not sure I follow the relevance of feisty_outdate.txt ... [11:22] iwj: it shows that graphviz is out of date on sparc, which in this case is due to it failing to build on sparc due to the beforementioned bug. [11:22] Mithrandir: OIC [11:22] Mirv: I preare a SRU for it now [11:22] and I'd so much rather have ftbfs bugs fixed early rather than late; experience shows they're not fixed in the last month when we're in a rush. [11:23] Mithrandir: Right. I'll take a look at it today. [11:23] iwj: excellent, thanks. [11:24] Mirv: it should be fixed with the latest language-pack update though. strnage [11:24] mvo_: well, maybe I heard it from someone who hasn't updated his dapper. I should probably test it myself, then. [11:25] Mirv: having this python-apt bug fixed is still a good idea [11:26] mvo_: probably, as it's no-risk anyway [11:26] SRUs are never no-risk. [11:28] Mithrandir: do we know when http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/feisty_outdate.txt has been generated? === lmanul [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:29] Mithrandir: it lists "control-center 1:2.17.5-0ubuntu4 gnome-control-center-dev(i386/all) 1:2.17.1-0ubuntu2 from 1:2.17.1-0ubuntu2" by example where the package has built some days ago and is available [11:29] ah [11:29] hum, no [11:30] that package has been renamed [11:30] seb128: yes, the gnome-control-center-dev binary package is no longer built. [11:30] right, why is it listed? [11:30] not built from source should be dropped no? [11:30] because the binary hasn't been removed yet. [11:30] yes, but it's done when an archive admin gets around to it, it's not done automatically. [11:30] that requires manual work? [11:30] ah ok [11:31] makes sense then [11:31] yes (intentionally) [11:31] I though the archive was clever enough to clean things not built from source [11:31] <\sh> I just asked it on #ubuntu-kernel but does anyone know why UTS_RELEASE is not set anymore in /usr/include/linux/version.h from linux-libc-dev ? [11:31] no, it's done by hand, which is how we want it. [11:32] ok [11:32] cjwatson: could we have a timestamp at the top or bottom of feisty_outdate.txt? === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:36] doko_: will openoffice.org-l10n-km come back at some point? or is it gone forever? [11:36] Mithrandir: yes, right about that "never no-risk" thing, though that one line patch seems like quite near that [11:36] Mithrandir: sure, give me a minute [11:37] Mithrandir: (there's a timestamp on feisty_probs.html) [11:37] cjwatson: sure, no hurry === holycow [n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:39] Mithrandir: done for next update [11:39] thanks [11:39] hum [11:40] why does feisty_probs lists that: [11:40] rhythmbox 0.9.6-0ubuntu4 produces uninstallable binaries: [11:40] * rhythmbox-dbg (amd64 i386 powerpc sparc) [11:40] where rhythmbox version is 0.9.7-0ubuntu4 to feisty [11:40] seb128: does rhythmbox-dbg exists from 0.9.7 ? [11:41] fabbione: no, we have -dbgsym packages now, I've stopped adding -dbg packages were Debian didn't have them [11:41] seb128: because rhythmbox-dbg is still in the archive and hasn't been NBS-removed yet [11:41] seb128: that's probably why [11:41] you can ignore that [11:41] it needs NBS.. as cjwatson just wrote faster than me [11:42] ok [11:42] cjwatson, fabbione: thank you [11:42] Mithrandir: I'm just going to do a quick Ubuntu/alternate respin so I can progress with intel-mac-support today; hope that's ok [11:42] cjwatson: oh, sure, I'm in archive-admin mode today, it seems. === boggle [n=spindler@modemcable096.205-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@i59F7277C.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:57] pitti: can we remove the openoffice.org-l10n-km dependency from langauge-support-km? openoffice.org-l10n-km is currently not in the archive (doko will know if it is just temporarly removed or not) [11:57] mvo_: sure, no problem [11:57] thanks [11:57] doko: please confirm? === hunger_ [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:58] it currently breaks my "try-to-upgrade-all-of-main" testcase. not that bad, but I would prefer to be able to keep testing :) [11:58] mvo_: will do once doko confirms [11:59] pitti, mvo_: confirmed === davmor2 [n=davmor2@62-30-74-119.cable.ubr04.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:24] mvo_: Did you see my mail about apt-ftparchive and signing ? If you could point me to the docs if there are any that would be very nice ... === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] doko: do you reply to questions about python-support? ;) [12:36] seb128: yes. just one answer [12:36] how to convert to python-central ;-P [12:36] doko: I'm trying to look at your bug about python-vte, but I'm not sure what the problem is [12:37] is that because debian/pyversions contains "2"? [12:37] should it be 2.4-? [12:37] rm -f debian/pyversions; sed s/python-support/python-central/g debian/* [12:38] I don't fancy diverting from Debian when not required === Mithrandir notes that syncing 165MB orig.tar.gz files takes a while [12:39] iwj: sorry that I have not replied yet, I will answer it right after lunch [12:41] you might want to keep your eyes on gossip telepathy it is crashing out when I try to add an account for irc. [12:41] bug has been sent to both malone and upstream [12:41] ah, davmor2, did you tried last package update of gossip-telepathy ? [12:41] mvo_: NP. === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:41] mvo_: I've got plenty else to be getting on with :-). === fbenites [n=chatzill@141.99.45.63] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:42] Zdra: Did a dist-upgrade about 20 minutes ago is that up-to-date enough? [12:43] Just checking again [12:43] davmor2: and please install debug package before reporting crash, like said on the page I gave you: http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Gossip [12:44] davmor2: dholbach uploaded it recently, don't know if it's already build [12:44] Gnome had already asked me to do that with the first bug I reported [12:45] Zdra: please check http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=397220 [12:45] Gnome bug 397220 in General "crash in Gossip Instant Messenger: trying to set up an irc ..." [Critical,Unconfirmed] [12:45] btw, ubuntu guys, the most important thing to change in apport and bugbuddy is to refuse trace with unknown symbols, or install -dbgsym package automatically, or whatever :D [12:45] only effect my irc and not gmail [12:45] davmor2: jabber account is different [12:46] Zdra: apport attach the coredump which allow to get a debug backtrace with apport-retrace [12:46]