[01:01] <Jester45> im getting and error after trying to start my xgl gdm sesson
[01:01] <Jester45> the error was somthing like exec: 5: cant find xfce-session anyone know how to fix this
[01:27] <Jester45> can you start xgl/beryl from inside a normal xorg
[01:46] <Jester45> i get this error when i try to start a xgl session
[01:46] <bigfuzzyjesus> helo
[01:46] <bigfuzzyjesus> hello
[01:47] <bigfuzzyjesus> what do you think the easiest way to remote connect to a computer on my network would be, it would also need to be windows capable for accessing
[01:49] <Jester45> ssh
[01:49] <Jester45> !ssh
[01:49] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[01:49] <Jester45> its only cli i think
[01:49] <bigfuzzyjesus> ok
[01:50] <bigfuzzyjesus> is that command line interface
[01:50] <bigfuzzyjesus> i want it to be graphical :(
[01:50] <Jester45> !VCN
[01:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about VCN - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:50] <Jester45> !VNC
[01:50] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[01:53] <Jester45> the error is /etc/gdmPreSession/Default: Registering your session wih wtmp utmp
[01:53] <Jester45> /etc/gdmPreSession/Default: running: /use/X11R6/bin/sessreg -a -w /var/log/wtmp -u /var/run/utmp -x "/usr/lib/gdm/:0.Xserver" -h"" -l ":0" "ryan"
[02:01] <badbrainz> I cant paste a Fluxbox style I downloaded to /usr/shar/fluxbox/styles  I can copy & paste to home folder only.  I'm running Xubuntu Edgy 64-bit.  Do I need to login as root or something?
[02:01] <Jester45> what are you pasting
[02:02] <Jester45> you need to be root but you dont have to login as root
[02:02] <Jester45> try gksu Thunar
[02:04] <badbrainz> I'm pasting a fluxbox style, as root but it didnt work.
[02:04] <badbrainz> I was using Thunar
[02:05] <Jester45> i dont know
[02:09] <badbrainz> what is gksu?
[02:11] <ormiret> !sudo | badbrainz
[02:11] <ubotu> badbrainz: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:13] <Jester45> i need help with xgl
[02:13] <Jester45> the session crashes with 3 font errors and 1 exec: 5: xfcesession: not found
[02:19] <ormiret> Jester45: it should be looking for xfce4-session I think (never used xgl)
[02:19] <Jester45> ooops
[02:19] <Jester45> typo
[02:20] <Jester45> it is xfce-session
[02:20] <Jester45> o
[02:20] <Jester45> with a 4
[02:25] <Jester45> ok its working now
[02:26] <Jester45> would you happen to know hwo to use it
[02:26] <cellofellow> use what?
[02:26] <Jester45> beryl
[02:26] <cellofellow> nope
[02:27] <cellofellow> ok, abiword sucks. It doesn't even do headers.
[02:27] <Jester45> mousepad it
[02:28] <cellofellow> It's a document I made in OpenOffice on Edgy.
[02:28] <cellofellow> Right now I'm in Feisty, and I haven't installed OOo yet, and don't intend to
[02:29] <cellofellow> there, I do Insert Header, and it crashes
[02:29] <cellofellow> well, I'm gonna reboot into edgy. BRB
[02:53] <Jester45> when i open any window with xgl my system locks up anyone know why?
[03:02] <magic_ninja> anyone play diablo ii
[03:02] <Jester45> i used to
[03:02] <Jester45> untill a rcent patch made it hard to get stone of jordans
[03:03] <Jester45> why?
[03:03] <magic_ninja> trying to find a working mh, i used to have one
[03:04] <Jester45> google mousepad
[03:04] <magic_ninja> not wise
[03:04] <magic_ninja> could loose your cd key doing that
[03:04] <Jester45> not the newversion
[03:05] <somerville32> Can you guys take this to offtopic? Thanks.
[03:05] <Jester45> never
[03:05] <Jester45> somerville32: do you use beryl
[03:05] <somerville32> Nope/
[03:05] <somerville32> *Nope.
[03:06] <Jester45> darn
[03:06] <Jester45> brb gonna try it again
[03:06] <Jester45> i got xgl to wkor but somthing it messed up
[03:10] <somerville32> :] 
[03:10] <semi-fly> :)
[03:10] <semi-fly> I avoid Beryal / xgl / compiz...
[03:11] <somerville32> The built-in compositor for Xfce4 is good enough for me :)
[03:11] <semi-fly> Nice looking effects, however.
[03:11] <Jester45> yep
[03:11] <Jester45> but... i dont know how to use them
[03:11] <semi-fly> I second that, sommerville32 :)
[03:12] <Jester45> semi-fly: you use beryl b4?
[03:12] <semi-fly> Yep...and compiz, as well.
[03:12] <Jester45> could you help me with it
[03:12] <semi-fly> Mostly to see how efficient the rendering was.
[03:12] <Jester45> how do it get it to do stuff
[03:12] <somerville32> #ubuntu-xgl is a good place to check, Jester45, if you can't find help here
[03:13] <Jester45> nobody there
[03:13] <semi-fly> Well, do you have a specific problem, or does the application simply not work?
[03:13] <Jester45> im not sure if it working or not
[03:14] <Jester45> its no doing anything
[03:14] <Jester45> how do i try to get things ot change? like bending things
[03:15] <somerville32> !xgl | jester45
[03:15] <ubotu> jester45: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[03:15] <semi-fly> Yep - you'd notice a difference right off the bat...
[03:15] <Jester45> yes
[03:16] <semi-fly> It can be tricky to get working properly, and I've personally corrupted gtk configuration settings by enabling it, so i'd use it with caution :)
[03:16] <Jester45> semi-fly: im not trying to do anything fancy just to use any effect
[03:17] <semi-fly> Did the Beryl menu load onto the bar?
[03:17] <Jester45> whats modifer keys
[03:17] <Jester45> yes
[03:17] <bigfuzzyjesus> has anyone seen the ivue case for the ipod
[03:17] <Jester45> nope
[03:17] <semi-fly> Oh, you probably have Xfce4...I've only installed Beryl under Gnome...lol :)
[03:17] <Jester45> yes i do
[03:18] <Jester45> on the modifer keys there is a "super" whats that?
[03:18] <bigfuzzyjesus> !botnet
[03:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about botnet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:19] <semi-fly> Try locating the Beryl binary - if I remember correctly, you can run the Beryl menu tool from the command prompt.
[03:19] <semi-fly> try 'beryl' then tab completion - see what the prompt displays :)
[03:19] <Jester45> you mean the beryl menu thing
[03:19] <Jester45> red dimond?
[03:19] <Jester45> i have that
[03:21] <semi-fly> Should be loaded then...
[03:21] <semi-fly> Just select some options and enable them...I've only used Beryl once, so it's hard to remember all the options lol
[03:26] <Jester45> ok when i change the wm from xfce to beryl my system locks up
[03:27] <Jester45> nothing happens all i can do is move the mouse
[03:27] <semi-fly> Well, you'r still using Xfce4 - Beryl simply runs on top of the WM, so to speak ( I think ).
[03:28] <Jester45> well on the settings manger there is a list of wm and when things work its fce but then when i switch it stop evrything
[03:28] <Jester45> and when fce is the wm no effects happen
[03:28] <semi-fly> You might want to re-emerge, er I mean reinstall Beryl then check out: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu
[03:30] <semi-fly> Read up on this: http://m0n5t3r.info/blog/aiglx-beryl-xfce-gentoo.html has some tips for getting Xfce4 working with Beryl.
[03:39] <Jester45> ok
[03:39] <Jester45> aaa
[03:39] <Jester45> i cant wait till spring
[03:45] <Jester45> i get new computer :) nvidia sli core duo and 2 gb ram to start then gonna upgraDE TO 4GB
[03:47] <somerville32> :)
[03:47] <bigfuzzyjesus> Jester45, is 4gb of ram really neccisary
[03:47] <Jester45> yeps
[03:48] <Jester45> im going to keep windows on it
[03:48] <Jester45> better gaming
[03:48] <Jester45> its gonna have linux also
[03:49] <Jester45> dont know about sli and linux but im going to get it to work
[03:49] <bigfuzzyjesus> i thought like 2 gigs was a large amount
[03:50] <Jester45> its 1967
[03:50] <bigfuzzyjesus> what all do you have open
[03:51] <bigfuzzyjesus> i can surf the web listen to music chat and something else on my 512 machine
[03:51] <Jester45> azureus firefox gtk gnutella a few thunars
[03:51] <Jester45> movie dvd conversion gaim
[03:52] <Jester45> and i think action cubve is on somewhere :)
[03:52] <Jester45> i dont keep my desktop very clean
[03:53] <Jester45> azureus is using most of it
[03:53] <cellofellow> I can try and try to fill my RAM, run OpenOffice and Eclipse and mutliple Firefox windows and I still can't max out my 319MB RAM. Swap is alway less than 100MB, and I have 1GB swap.
[03:54] <Jester45> i have 300
[03:55] <Jester45> o
[03:55] <Jester45> i have dsl in qemu open also
[03:55] <Jester45> thats a bit of it also
[03:55] <cellofellow> ooh. I love doing that.
[03:56] <Jester45> my workspace is cluttered
[03:56] <cellofellow> when I installed Feisty with qemu, it only used 128MB RAM, cause that's how much it uses.
[03:56] <cellofellow> CPU it used like crazy. RAM was negligable.
[03:56] <cellofellow> 128 max, it used less actually.
[04:00] <wallacew> How do I disable the password prompt on returning from a screensaver?
[04:01] <somerville32> Applications > Settings > Settings Manager > Screensaver
[04:01] <somerville32> Uncheck "Lock screen" or similiar
[04:01] <wallacew> somerville32, Thanks!
[04:34] <Jester46> cellofellow: what was the last thing i said to u
[04:35] <Jester46> wiw
[04:35] <Jester46> kinda weird
[04:37] <Jester45> cellofellow: you there? i wanna send you somthing
[04:38] <cellofellow> I'm here
[04:38] <cellofellow> now, sorry I was doing something else
[04:38] <Jester45> what was the last thing i said to you
[04:38] <Jester45> i lost connection a little bit ago
[04:38] <Jester45> b4 i was jester56
[04:39] <cellofellow> you wanted to send me something, but that was as Jester45.
[04:40] <Jester45> ok well i did say
[04:40] <Jester45> that qemu can use more ram if you tell it to
[04:40] <cellofellow> I know
[04:41] <cellofellow> I've read the man page, several times.
[04:41] <Jester45> and the thing i wanna send you is a movie of beryl with flame effect
[04:41] <cellofellow> how big?
[04:42] <Jester45> <1mb
[04:42] <cellofellow> shoot then!
[04:42] <Jester45> waiting
[04:42] <Jester45> do you know how ot recive?
[04:43] <cellofellow> yes, do you know how to send it? I think you need to forward a port.
[04:43] <cellofellow> 14s7
[04:43] <cellofellow> 1437
[04:43] <Jester45> all my ports are forwarded
[04:43] <cellofellow> hmmm
[04:44] <cellofellow> try again
[04:44] <Jester45> i all ways have this problem
[04:44] <cellofellow> oh, here's the problem. I've trying to get from 192.168.0.100 instead of your outside address.
[04:44] <cellofellow> <DCC can't connect to 192.168.1.4 port 2389>
[04:45] <cellofellow> I can't get to you if you are pretending to be on my internal network.
[04:45] <Jester45> hehe
[04:45] <cellofellow> why is it acting that way?
[04:45] <Jester45> im sneaky :)
[04:46] <Jester45> im on your LAN cellofellow better check your house b4 you go to bed
[04:46] <cellofellow> haha very funny.
[04:47] <Jester45> Boo
[04:54] <kalikiana> Does anybody know if I can keep my nick on a reconnect in XChat?
[04:55] <Jester45> should
[05:01] <mynameisdeleted> hi
[05:01] <Jester45> hi
[05:01] <mynameisdeleted> hi hi
[05:02] <mynameisdeleted> anyone want to test my xubuntu mirror?
[05:03] <Jester45> sure
[05:03] <mynameisdeleted> http://okser.net/xubuntu
[05:03] <mynameisdeleted> download an iso and see how much bandwidth you can use
[05:03] <Jester45> what im i testing
[05:04] <mynameisdeleted> its technically got a gigabit connection, so if its not loaded down there shouldn't be any way you can notice speed
[05:04] <Jester45> 53KB/s
[05:04] <Jester45> 10 now
[05:05] <Jester45> i think im uploading somthing
[05:05] <mynameisdeleted> you must be on dialup
[05:05] <kalikiana> i get 220kb :)
[05:05] <kalikiana> (but i won't do a complete load now)
[05:05] <mynameisdeleted> doesn't anyone have at least 100mbps to test with?
[05:06] <Jester45> lol
[05:06] <kalikiana> :P
[05:06] <Jester45> im uploading somthing so im stuck low
[05:06] <Jester45> the max is get is 150kb/s
[05:06] <kalikiana> I'm on 240kb/s
[05:07] <mynameisdeleted> mason> wget -Y off -O /dev/null  http://okser.net/xubuntu/feisty/herd-2/feisty-desktop-i386.iso
[05:07] <mynameisdeleted> --23:07:02--  http://okser.net/xubuntu/feisty/herd-2/feisty-desktop-i386.iso
[05:07] <mynameisdeleted>            => `/dev/null'
[05:07] <mynameisdeleted> Resolving okser.net... 66.117.32.83
[05:07] <mynameisdeleted> Connecting to okser.net[66.117.32.83] :80... connected.
[05:07] <mynameisdeleted> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
[05:07] <mynameisdeleted> Length: 579,028,992 [application/x-iso9660-image] 
[05:07] <mynameisdeleted>  9% [==>                                  ]  53,204,612    10.94M/s    ETA 00:45^
[05:07] <mynameisdeleted> that's on my schools connection
[05:07] <mynameisdeleted> was over 11MB/s for a while
[05:07] <Jester45> cookage
[05:07] <mynameisdeleted> if it writes to anythign other than /dev/null the hd slows the download speed
[05:08] <mynameisdeleted> and a good test would be at least gigabit internet
[05:08] <mynameisdeleted> which is almost impossible to find
[05:09] <kalikiana> i get 250,50 kb/s for dev/null :D
[05:11] <mynameisdeleted> on my schooll I can download a full linux iso that is 579MB in 50 seconds flat
[05:11] <cellofellow> whoa
[05:11] <mynameisdeleted> I don't think any of the ubuntu mirrors support that now
[05:11] <mynameisdeleted> but mine might change if it gets loaded
[05:12] <mynameisdeleted> this makes most of your bandwidth not show up on my meter
[05:12] <mynameisdeleted> tilll it scrolls off the charge
[05:12] <mynameisdeleted> chart
[05:12] <Jester45> i did have a 1gb/s free file host
[05:13] <Jester45> lost the name
[05:13] <Jester45> they supported torrents also
[05:13] <mynameisdeleted> I work for a hosting company
[05:13] <mynameisdeleted> in  a datacenter
[05:13] <mynameisdeleted> and am using a computer from a former customer who didn't pay his internet bills
[05:14] <mynameisdeleted> for several months and wend bankrupt
[05:15] <Jester45> do you have ftp?
[05:15] <Jester45> i could test that
[05:15] <mynameisdeleted> if I installed that
[05:15] <mynameisdeleted> I haven't yet
[05:15] <mynameisdeleted> it runs regular ubuntu but without X
[05:15] <mynameisdeleted> therefor not xubuntu
[05:16] <Jester45> im sorry
[05:16] <mynameisdeleted> ftp bandwidth won't be any different than http sincce they both use tcp/ip
[05:16] <mynameisdeleted> you have a recommended ftp server?
[05:18] <Jester45> nope
[05:18] <Jester45> but i have a way to test your speed with ftp
[05:19] <Jester45> you should see torrents dl at 30mbs
[05:19] <Jester45> very bad for ratio :(
[05:19] <mynameisdeleted> if you leave them up overnight you make the upload back normally
[05:20] <Jester45> but its hard to get that many people to dl that much
[05:20] <Jester45> i use that on torrents with like 11k seeds
[05:20] <Jester45> the few
[05:22] <mynameisdeleted> ftp://okser.net
[05:22] <Jester45> ok
[05:22] <cellofellow> Jester45: what'd you use to get that burning windows video?
[05:22] <mynameisdeleted> beryl has a plugin for that
[05:22] <Jester45> i used the amazing google
[05:22] <Jester45> thats what it is
[05:23] <cellofellow> what program? or does google have a screencapture program?
[05:23] <Jester45> http://69.179.135.241/apache2-default/XGLBerylburneffect.avi
[05:23] <Jester45> it wasnt me
[05:23] <Jester45> silly cellofellow
[05:23] <cellofellow> Oh. I tought you were showing me that cause you were happy you got Beryl working.
[05:23] <cellofellow> You've been trying all week.
[05:24] <Jester45> nope
[05:24] <mynameisdeleted> I have beryl working
[05:24] <Jester45> still breaks my computer
[05:24] <Jester45> brb
[05:24] <mynameisdeleted> it will work much bbetter with my new computer
[05:24] <mynameisdeleted> with a 256MB graphics card instead of one with only 8MB video memroy
[05:25] <cellofellow> beryl wouldn't start here. That's when I quit. I have PIII Katmai and a TNT2 with 32MB Vid Memory. Didn't work too well.
[05:25] <mynameisdeleted> video memory is only a n issue if I have more than 10 windws open or du full window burns
[05:25] <mynameisdeleted> menu burns are fine
[05:25] <cellofellow> I often have like 3 windows per workspace open, at least, and 4 workspaces.
[05:26] <mynameisdeleted> any "vista ready" computer should be able to run beryl nicely if set up right
[05:26] <mynameisdeleted> I think
[05:26] <mynameisdeleted> with proper 3d drivers
[05:26] <cellofellow> nvidia cards then all the way.
[05:27] <Jester45> i have 4 workspaces
[05:27] <Jester45> but only use 1
[05:27] <cellofellow> haha
[05:27] <Jester45> its an old windows habit
[05:27] <mynameisdeleted> ftp://okser.net/feisty/herd-2/feisty-desktop-i386.iso
[05:27] <mynameisdeleted> that's an ftp url to test
[05:27] <cellofellow> Mine are named Appspace, Netspace, Codespace, and Outerspace. I organized them
[05:27] <mynameisdeleted> if you have a speed tester for ftp
[05:28] <Jester45> mine are named 1 2 3 4
[05:28] <cellofellow> that's the default. :)
[05:28] <mynameisdeleted> I like jester45's names better
[05:28] <Jester45> cellofellow: are you still dl from me?
[05:28] <cellofellow> yeah
[05:28] <Jester45> cellofellow: how far? ETA?
[05:28] <cellofellow> it's at 64%
[05:29] <cellofellow> no, more than that
[05:29] <cellofellow> I think
[05:29] <Jester45> you killing my torrents
[05:29] <cellofellow> you gave me the link
[05:29] <Jester45> sill
[05:29] <Jester45> couldnt you have dail up for somthing
[05:30] <cellofellow> :/
[05:30] <cellofellow> what do you meen?
[05:31] <Jester45> you dl is to fast
[05:31] <Jester45> taking all my upload
[05:31] <cellofellow> it's at 16-18KBps.
[05:32] <cellofellow> I can do 30KBps when I connect to a faster server.
[05:32] <Jester45> sorry
[05:32] <Jester45> im sharing you with gtk-gnutella and azureus
[05:33] <cellofellow> heh, home servers are always sort of slow. That's why distributed P2P stuff is faster.
[05:33] <cellofellow> like torrent
[05:33] <mynameisdeleted> my server is prob faster than p2p
[05:34] <cellofellow> prolly faster than my DL speed.
[05:34] <mynameisdeleted> I have cable to my home
[05:34] <mynameisdeleted> and another server on fios
[05:34] <cellofellow> I have cheap DSL.
[05:43] <Jester45> mynameisdeleted: the top speed i got was 39mb/s but that didnt last long
[05:43] <Jester45> sorry about the delay
[05:43] <Jester45> still good
[05:43] <mynameisdeleted> supposedly its way better than that
[05:43] <Jester45> try a speed test website
[05:44] <mynameisdeleted> I think its faster than most of those too
[05:44] <Jester45> well the line i was testing from gets a max of 60mb/s but thats when its the only transfer
[05:44] <mynameisdeleted> if you know a good one let me know
[05:44] <Jester45> many ppl are using it so it could be slowed down
[05:44] <Jester45> google knows
[05:45] <Jester45> try a google search for "speed test 1gb"
[05:47] <Jester45> mynameisdeleted: could i get a ftp account with you?
[05:50] <Jester45> or how about running a repo?
[05:51] <mynameisdeleted> what type?
[05:52] <Jester45> ubuntu
[05:52] <mynameisdeleted> cvs?
[05:52] <mynameisdeleted> or svn?
[05:52] <Jester45> i was just kidding about hte repo
[05:52] <Jester45> deb
[05:52] <mynameisdeleted> ok
[05:52] <Jester45> but how about hte ftp
[05:52] <Jester45> aa
[05:53] <Jester45> The is the wost word for me to type
[05:53] <mynameisdeleted> a full ubuntu debian packages mirror takes 190gb
[05:53] <mynameisdeleted> which is more space than I have on that server
[05:53] <mynameisdeleted> unless I upgrade
[05:53] <Jester45> o
[05:53] <Jester45> well could i have ftp ? it would be nice
[05:53] <mynameisdeleted> but I have a  server with 12 drive slots which if I fill up will be able to do that
[05:54] <mynameisdeleted> I run an xubuntu mirror on it
[05:54] <mynameisdeleted> so you can download isos fast
[05:54] <Jester45> i dont need iso
[05:55] <mynameisdeleted> true
[05:55] <mynameisdeleted> biggest download need is faster apt-get
[05:55] <Jester45> yep
[05:55] <Jester45> ubuntu should use a free file host
[05:56] <Jester45> they are fast and the repos would be used often so it wouldnt get deleted
[06:04] <Jester45> humm
[06:09] <Jester45> well i have to go
[06:32] <grumpymole> hello
[06:32] <grumpymole> i have got an extra panel on my xubuntu desktop and i can't seem to get rid of it
[06:32] <grumpymole> any ideas?
[08:25] <backtick> hi all, I've installed the "xfce" package on kubuntu edgy and when I login to xfce (though the kdm) I just get a blank black screen and the mouse pointer, any ideas?
[08:26] <backtick> s/though/through
[08:26] <TheSheep> backtick: can you switch to console then (alt+ctrl+f1), log in and execute 'ps x'?
[08:27] <TheSheep> and see if xfce4-session is listed
[08:28] <backtick> ok will try
[08:41] <backtick> TheSheep: no xfce4-session is not present in the process list
[08:42] <backtick> i tried to launch xfce4-panel from the termianl and got a seg fault
[08:45] <TheSheep> backtick: seems like your system is broken
[08:45] <TheSheep> backtick: can you launch the xfce4-seession?
[08:45] <backtick> well i started a session next to kde
[08:46] <backtick> and there's a " 5326 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/xfce4-session"
[08:46] <backtick> but it just shows a blue background
[10:39] <dag_dg> nfs networking, xfce, tried it on this comp(running xubuntu, and another, running ubuntu) mounting via nfs, both say the nfs server is down
[01:13] <oem> anyone able to tell me how to fix the repository list
[01:13] <TheSheep> !easysource
[01:13] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[01:13] <oem> thanks
[01:57] <hyper_ch> hiho, I have problems getting into the admin stuff
[02:02] <oem> how do I edit the sources list for the repositories
[02:06] <hyper__ch> TheSheep: you're there?
[02:10] <semi-fly> oem, type 'nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list'
[02:10] <semi-fly> sudo before that...
[02:51] <icheyne> does anyone here use a Radeon 9250 or other 92** card and use the open-source driver?
[03:02] <hyper__ch> anyone knows where the gpg keys are being saved?
[03:03] <TheSheep> hyper__ch: in ~/.gpg I presume
[03:03] <hyper__ch> TheSheep: and do you know why I can't access certain admin stuff like networking anymore?
[03:04] <TheSheep> um, ~/.gnupg
[03:04] <TheSheep> hyper__ch: it's broken in feisty, they forgot to add gksudo to launchers
[03:04] <hyper__ch> TheSheep: it's edgy
[03:04] <TheSheep> :/
[03:05] <hyper__ch> TheSheep: I did a reinstall yesterday... but left the /home partition as it was
[03:05] <hyper__ch> TheSheep: but I still can't access it
[03:06] <hyper__ch> TheSheep: The configuration could not be loaded. You are not allowed to access the system configuration
[03:07] <TheSheep> hyper__ch: I've got the same
[03:07] <TheSheep> hyper__ch: just run them with sudo
[03:08] <hyper__ch> TheSheep: ok
[03:09] <TheSheep> ubuntu+1 should be called greedy gnome :3
[03:11] <hyper__ch> I guess I'm going to test herd 2 (again)
[03:11] <hyper__ch> shall I leave the /home partition as it is? Will it alter something?
[03:11] <TheSheep> should be ok
[03:11] <hyper__ch> ok :)
[03:16] <hyper__ch> TheSheep: one more question: I have 3 diskdrives attached to the IDE channels (plus one dvd-rewriter) and one diskdrive is using sata... will that be a problem due to the naming?
[03:17] <hyper__ch> I think you told me that hda will be renamed to sda
[03:17] <hyper__ch> so I will have like two sda?
[03:17] <TheSheep> you will have sda, sdb, sdc, sdd and sde
[03:17] <TheSheep> probably
[03:17] <TheSheep> not sure :)
[03:17] <hyper__ch> lol :)
[03:18] <hyper__ch> I'll try... they are all of different sizes
[03:18] <hyper__ch> 60GB, 120 GB, 160 GB, 300 GB
[03:18] <hyper__ch> bye
[03:18] <hyper__ch> bye
[04:58] <Commander-Crowe> hey all
[05:21] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: Still the same old problem with Fiesty :( Grub doesn't want to load the right partitions anymore
[05:22] <trectior2> hola buenas
[05:22] <trectior2> alguien me puede echar una mano?
[05:22] <trectior2> hablais castellano?
[05:22] <hyper_ch> !es
[05:22] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[05:22] <trectior2> ok sorry
[05:23] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: change root=hdaX to root=sdaX in grub's config
[05:23] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: well, grub did then something like:   root(hda1,5)
[05:24] <hyper_ch> that's what I got when I edited the start entry
[05:24] <TheSheep> (hd1, 5)
[05:24] <hyper_ch> sorry, it was:   root(hd1,5)
[05:24] <TheSheep> that's ok
[05:24] <hyper_ch> but what does that mean? what do I have to change it to?
[05:24] <TheSheep> no
[05:24] <hyper_ch> where do I then alter something?
[05:24] <TheSheep> /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:25] <hyper_ch> how to access that from a freshly installed fiesty?
[05:25] <hyper_ch> feisty :)
[05:29] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: and the isntallation took very long... I got quite a few blue screens where for some time nothing happened
[05:30] <Ro_Vai> blue screen??
[05:30] <hyper_ch> Ro_Vai: during install of Feisty Herd 2... there were long time intervals where nothing was on the screen... just the blue background
[05:31] <Ro_Vai> did you just upgrade from edgy or use a cd
[05:31] <Ro_Vai> and what kind of cd
[05:32] <hyper_ch> Ro_Vai: no upgrade... fresh isntall with alternate xubuntu
[05:32] <hyper_ch> Text Mode
[05:32] <hyper_ch> Ro_Vai: why so interested?
[05:33] <hyper_ch> Ro_Vai: I tested kubuntu feisty herd 1 several weeks ago.... nothing like that happened there (except for the grub problem)
[05:33] <Ro_Vai> the blue screen coulda just been because things were configuring your video
[05:35] <hyper_ch> Ro_Vai: they appeared when I tested for cd defects, they appears before probing for hardware, before the partiton menu, ...... all the time
[05:36] <Ro_Vai> no clue then i just upgraded from edgy no cd ^.^
[05:36] <hyper_ch> Ro_Vai: ^^
[05:41] <dssd> qwill next ubuntu have good fonts
[05:52] <trectior2> hello, later install xubuntu 6.10 i don't know config users, aplications,... because i don't have anywhere config.
[05:54] <kalikiana> trectior2: what exactly do you need to know?
[05:58] <trectior2> I NEED TO FORM USERS AND TO INSTALL PROGRAMS IN XUBUNTU, AND TO BE ABLE TO ACCEDE TO THE USERS' CONFIGURATION.
[06:01] <kalikiana> trectior2: please don't SHOUT :)
[06:01] <kalikiana> use synaptic, located in the Applications -> System menu to install programs
[06:02] <trectior2> yes but i dont have internet
[06:02] <trectior2> and i dont have synaptic access direct
[06:02] <trectior2> i need open terminal and write
[06:02] <trectior2> sudo synaptic and password to use synaptic
[06:03] <trectior2> sorry my english is very bad
[06:03] <trectior2> and shout it's for soft of translate.. xD
[06:06] <kalikiana> as long as you can access the internet on another computer, you can download any ubuntu deb package and install it with a double-click
[06:07] <kalikiana> gonme-files.org is a good source, for example
[06:07] <kalikiana> gnomefiles.org that is :)
[06:10] <icheyne> does anyone here have a Radeon 9200 or 9250 card running the open-source driver? How well do they run?
[06:41] <dssd> qwill next ubuntu have good fonts
[07:07] <CPF_> Ok, how do I change my login image (I mean, that one where you have to enter your user/pass?)
[07:08] <CPF_> anyone????
[07:17] <slow-motion> bbl
[08:01] <Maximilian1st> hi all
[08:02] <PuMpErNiCkLe> hi you
[08:02] <Maximilian1st> Hi,
[08:03] <Maximilian1st> I was wondering if one already tried installing the new feisty beta...
[08:03] <Maximilian1st> I have it hanging here on the sk98lin driver
[08:04] <Maximilian1st> I know there is a website for logging the problems one could encounter with the beta CD but I can't rememeber where it is... Do you?
[08:07] <Maximilian1st> oopsy...
[08:19] <Maximilian1st> Hey somerville32.
[08:19] <Maximilian1st> You asked me to test the feisty CD.
[08:19] <Maximilian1st> I am right now testing it on a laptop and the install hangs at the
[08:20] <Maximilian1st> sk98lin driver loading or so...
[08:20] <Maximilian1st> But the overall looks ok.
[08:21] <Maximilian1st> Should I report this driver hang or is it not something they, or you are looking for.
[08:22] <somerville32> Are you using the desktop-cd or live-cd?
[08:22] <Maximilian1st> I can't tell
[08:22] <somerville32> k, one second
[08:24] <Maximilian1st> I downloaded the first iso from the page I can't find anymore...
[08:27] <Maximilian1st> somerville32: I tried installing for the second time now. I'll be away for 15-20 minutes... kid wants a story.
[08:27] <somerville32> Alrighty :)
[08:27] <somerville32> Chat with you then
[08:55] <cellofellow> morning
[08:57] <Maximilian1st> evening
[08:58] <cellofellow> different time zones, eh?
[08:58] <somerville32> afternoon :) \o/
[09:01] <Maximilian1st> somerville32: I'm back. Do you know how to see if the installation hangs or what?
[09:01] <Maximilian1st> Stupid question from me cause it just seems to hang for the second time on the same place as before...
[09:01] <somerville32> Maximilian1st, 1. Are you using the desktop cd or alternative cd? The desktop cd is the one with the live cd desktop and the alternative is the text-based installer.
[09:01] <Maximilian1st> ok, desktop.
[09:02] <cellofellow> alt should work if all else fails.
[09:02] <somerville32> Maximilian1st, I would report the bug on malone
[09:02] <somerville32> !bugs
[09:02] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[09:05] <Maximilian1st> Should I give it special name so you know it is for the "feisty beta live CD"?
[09:06] <somerville32> Maximilian1st, put [feisty]  in the title
[09:07] <somerville32> Assign it to ubiquity
[09:07] <somerville32> and give as much info as you can in the description field
[09:07] <somerville32> Also, if you can, attach logs
[09:07] <Maximilian1st> I see it is already there.
[09:07] <cellofellow> I have 3 OS's on my computer. Edgy, Feisty, and DSL in a QEMU image.
[09:07] <Maximilian1st> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/79340
[09:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 79340 in ubiquity "Marvell Yukon Ethernet Controller (sk98lin) Hangs Ubiquity" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[09:08] <Maximilian1st> That's it.
[09:09] <somerville32> Confirm it
[09:09] <somerville32> Change the status from "Unconfirmed" to "Confirmed"
[09:09] <Maximilian1st> This is when using the desktop live cd, what about the alternative CD. Is there a way to circumvent the driver loading?
[09:10] <somerville32> Maximilian1st, I'm sure there is for the alternative cd.
[09:15] <cellofellow> ooops. I'm back now
[09:17] <Maximilian1st> Well, now I am stuck with this laptop not working and Xfce releases this week-end and I have plenty to upload! :-/
[09:18] <somerville32> Maximilian1st, Did you try the alternative install?
[09:18] <Maximilian1st> I give the alternative CD a shot.
[09:18] <somerville32> Maximilian1st, Are you a debian maintainer?
[09:18] <Maximilian1st> Was just answering that.
[09:18] <Maximilian1st> Nope a translation committer for Xfce and translator for the french Xfce.
[09:19] <somerville32> Ah, kk
[09:19] <somerville32> Do you use launchpad?
[09:19] <Maximilian1st> For the translations?
[09:19] <Maximilian1st> If that is your question, I translate directly in SVN.
[09:20] <somerville32> Ok
[09:20] <somerville32> You should consider using launchpad, hehe
[09:23] <Maximilian1st> This is work done two times. The main translations have to be in the new releases, but I already had a thought about helping bring the translations in launchpad up to date...
[09:26] <Maximilian1st> But for now I have to bring back my desktop to life on this laptop. Please be so kind to remind me of the place I downloaded this beta of feisty, so I can pick the sescond link, alternative...
[09:34] <Maximilian1st> !herd2
[09:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about herd2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:35] <somerville32> !testing
[09:35] <ubotu> For information on how to help test the next release of Xubuntu and for the results matrix, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Xubuntu/Current
[09:35] <somerville32> Maximilian1st, You just import the po* files and then you can export them once you're done translating them
[09:36] <Maximilian1st> testing that was the key word. Thx. I searched the bot for herd... somerville32 You mean for the launchpad thing?
[09:38] <Maximilian1st> As soon as Xfce 4.4 will be out, I'll give a serious check at the launchpad French translations.
[09:38] <somerville32> k
[10:14] <Terzian> can anyone help with a Xubuntu install?
[10:14] <somerville32> Sure ; )
[10:15] <Terzian> OK, booting from install CD, spash screen comes up for a while then screen blanks with blinking cursor at upper left
[10:16] <somerville32> Are you using the live cd or alternative cd?
[10:17] <Terzian> 6.10 desktop cd
[10:17] <Terzian> is this a live cd as well?
[10:17] <somerville32> Yup
[10:18] <somerville32> I'd try using the alternative cd
[10:19] <Terzian> is there a way to show the console messages instead of the splash screen?
[10:19] <somerville32> crtl+alt+f6, I think
[10:19] <somerville32> or one of the function keys
[10:19] <dosnlinux> not sure if this matters any, but the home page for 6.10 says 6.06
[10:20] <Terzian> ok, thanks
[10:20] <somerville32> dosnlinux, Known issue. Fixed in 7.04 :)
[10:20] <dosnlinux> ah, ok
[10:20] <dosnlinux> I had to double check the iso to make sure I downloaded the right version :P
[10:21] <dosnlinux> although .04 difference probably won't make much of a difference
[10:26] <dosnlinux> much better now ;)
[10:26] <kalikiana> Does anybody know a tool to optimize an svg image?
[10:26] <dosnlinux> inkscape
[10:27] <kalikiana> I said optimize, not created - which I did. :)
[10:27] <dosnlinux> the gimp to, but to a lesser degree
[10:27] <kalikiana> I'd for example want to round numbers, but not by hand. :/
[10:27] <dosnlinux> oh, how is that done?
[10:28] <kalikiana> All the coordinates and such are like 66.456344 which is a waste of space.
[10:28] <dosnlinux> maybe using sed in a bash script?
[10:31] <dosnlinux> awk might be better
[10:31] <kalikiana> I'll probably use python then, I'm better at that. :/
[10:32] <kalikiana> But I find it strange that there is no tool for that.
[10:32] <dosnlinux> I'd think your svg tool would have something like that
[10:33] <dosnlinux> but I usually work with png's ;)
[10:33] <TheSheep> kalikiana: there is such a tool
[10:33] <TheSheep> kalikiana: you just need to configure it a little bit
[10:33] <TheSheep> kalikiana: the tool is called "perl" ;)
[10:34] <kalikiana> TheSheep: I will neither do perl nor bash. :-o
[10:35] <TheSheep> kalikiana: why cripple yourself?
[10:35] <dosnlinux> python should work just fine
[10:38] <TheSheep> any turing-complee language will -- even Whitespace. It's juts a question of work involved.
[10:38] <TheSheep> s/ee/ete
[10:38] <kalikiana> I could even use Shakespeare Programming Language *g
[10:40] <dosnlinux> lol, first time I heard of that one
[10:41] <dosnlinux> someone put a lot of work coming up with all those names :P
[10:41] <kalikiana> it's like asm wrapped in a nice theatre play
[10:41] <dosnlinux> code is art ;)
[10:45] <dosnlinux> where's a good place to check out how xubuntu has acpi configured?
[10:46] <somerville32> !acpi | dosnlinux
[10:46] <ubotu> acpi: displays information on ACPI devices. In component main, is optional. Version 0.09-1 (edgy), package size 10 kB, installed size 72 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 amd64)
[10:46] <somerville32> Hrmpg
[10:46] <somerville32> Thats not what I want
[10:46] <kalikiana> :P
[10:47] <crimsun> !acpi-support
[10:47] <ubotu> acpi-support: a collection of useful events for acpi. In component main, is optional. Version 0.90 (edgy), package size 30 kB, installed size 724 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 ia64)
[10:48] <dosnlinux> thanks
[11:14] <Eaglewolf> I'm having some trouble getting the 6.10 installer to boot on my laptop. It's a sony vaio pcg-r505ts. I get to the boot menu, but when I select the start/install option, or the start in safe mode option, it doesn't work there. I think it may be a video driver issue
[11:18] <somerville32> Eaglewolf, You might try the alternative cd
[11:19] <Eaglewolf> Yea, I'm downloading it right now
[11:23] <dosnlinux> what's the difference between the desktop cd and alternate?
[11:24] <TheSheep> dosnlinux: alternate cd has an installer working in text mode, desktop cd is a livecd with a graphical installer
[11:24] <dosnlinux> ah
[11:25] <dosnlinux> I saw "choose this if your unsure" and downloaded alternate
[11:25] <dosnlinux> that was before I realized desktop x86 said the same thing
[11:38] <Jester45> hello world
[11:38] <somerville32> Hello Jester45
[11:41] <Jester45> how you doing?
[11:48] <cellofellow> Where's the World that Jester45 is hello-ing?
[11:48] <Jester45> yep
[11:49] <cellofellow> where is it?
[11:49] <Jester45> the Sun
[11:49] <Jester45> its hot over here
[11:50] <cellofellow> I have an Edgy DVD that I think I can use for installing LAMP from. Is that a good idea? I'm going to try Drupal.
[11:53] <Jester45> anyone know of a ftp file host?
[11:58] <cellofellow> cool. when some of the packages were old on the DVD, it downloaded from the repos. The current ones, from the DVD.
[11:59] <Eaglewolf> That's nice
[12:00] <arentoine> Hello all, if I have mounted share drives in /media/ directory, will they show up on my desktop ?
[12:02] <arentoine> The drives are smbfs mount point from my file server
[12:03] <Jester45> i dont t hink they will
[12:03] <Jester45> think*
[12:03] <arentoine> cause, dvd drive, for example, do
[12:04] <cellofellow> that's HAL that does that, and since SMBFS isn't hardware, it won't show on the desktop.
[12:04] <TheSheep> arentoine: you can make a link or launcher though
[12:04] <cellofellow> I mount my smbfs in ~/mnt, and it doesn't show on desktop.
[12:04] <cellofellow> yeah
[12:05] <arentoine> ok, that's why I have to create manual links
[12:05] <TheSheep> cellofellow: I think the non-xubuntu xfce shows mounts on the desktop :/
[12:05] <cellofellow> hmm
[12:06] <arentoine> I'm not sure, but I think I read something about this on other Ubuntu distro
[12:06] <cellofellow> Dreamlinux maybe?
[12:06] <TheSheep> arentoine: normal ubuntu might also show them -- it uses Nautilus
[12:07] <TheSheep> arentoine: if it doesn't by default, you can enable it in configuration
[12:07] <kalikiana> there is the new thunar volume manager :)
[12:07] <TheSheep> kalikiana: is it in repos yet? :3
[12:07] <cellofellow> I know KDE can be made to do that.
[12:07] <kalikiana> http://foo-projects.org/~benny/projects/thunar-volman/index.html
[12:07] <kalikiana> it's very new
[12:07] <arentoine> TheSheep : How can enable it in configuration ?
[12:07] <TheSheep> now that I have this floppy icon on my desktop anyways, I wantthe rest of them too :/
[12:08] <TheSheep> arentoine: you can't in xubuntu, in ubuntu you use gconf-editor
[12:08] <TheSheep> kalikiana: so, now it only lacks a xarchiver-like ftp and smb client :)
[12:09] <cellofellow> In Feisty I could see an icon labelled fd0, but I didn't use it I don't use floppies much. Floppy's never show on my desktop.
[12:09] <TheSheep> cellofellow: it shows in feisty now
[12:09] <cellofellow> I know, I have it installed on hdb.
[12:09] <cellofellow> But right now I'm using Edgy
[12:10] <TheSheep> I want an option to enable/disable desktop icons like trash and drives
[12:10] <arentoine> TheSheep : oh well ... tks
[12:10] <cellofellow> I'd like it if one could drag icons to the the Trash to unmount and eject like on Mac.
[12:11] <cellofellow> That's been around on mac's since the beginning of time.
[12:11] <TheSheep> cellofellow: that's braindamaged :/
[12:12] <TheSheep> cellofellow: what if you want to delete all files on the drive?
[12:12] <Jester45> linacdows the best OS ever
[12:12] <cellofellow> How so? You would always be able to turn that feature off, it's linux.
[12:12] <Jester45> linux + mac + windows
[12:12] <TheSheep> cellofellow: yeah, by compiling my own xfce, like with the desktop icons
[12:12] <cellofellow> Linacdows? Linux kernel, Windows UI, and Apple apps?
[12:12] <TheSheep> :E
[12:13] <cellofellow> XFCE has lots of options.
[12:13] <cellofellow> who needs to build from source 'cept devs?
[12:13] <Jester45> linux stability windows for gaming and mac;s options
[12:14] <cellofellow> oh, Bootcamp on x86 Apple computer. I see.
[12:14] <Jester45> cellofellow: what DSL iso do you use from qemu?
[12:15] <Jester45> i built dillo from source
[12:15] <cellofellow> It's an old 2.3. I haven't downloaded it in a while.
[12:15] <cellofellow> dillo schmillo
[12:15] <Jester45> yes but what kind of iso
[12:15] <Jester45> embedded syslinux vmx normal
[12:16] <cellofellow> The Plain DSL image, isolinux bootloader. Isolinux == normal
[12:16] <cellofellow> syslinux is for old computers.
[12:16] <cellofellow> the ones that balk at boot on nomal.
[12:16] <Jester45> ftp://ftp.oss.cc.gatech.edu/pub/linux/distributions/damnsmall/current/dsl-3.1.iso if you want new one
[12:16] <Jester45> your a bit behind on version
[12:16] <cellofellow> I'm fine with 2.3. :)
[12:17] <cellofellow> well, on the other hand, I'd love something that doesn't use the accursed Woody repo.
[12:17] <cellofellow> here it comes
[12:18] <Jester45> TheSheep: whats your website again?
[12:18] <Jester45> here what comes
[12:18] <cellofellow> the DSL 3.1 image
[12:18] <Jester45> %?
[12:18] <cellofellow> I'm dl-ing it
[12:18] <Jester45> im at 67%
[12:19] <Jester45> qemued DSL cluster fun fun
[12:19] <Jester45> thats some power
[12:20] <TheSheep> Jester45: http://sheep.art.pl
[12:21] <Jester45> ty
[12:26] <Jester45> TheSheep: do you speak a non-english ?
[12:26] <cellofellow> he's polish
[12:26] <Jester45> www.art.pl  isnt english :)