[02:53] <bddebian> Heya
[10:01] <cbx33> ping ogra sent you a mail....
[10:01] <cbx33> comments please when yo uare available
[10:01] <cbx33> I need a little guidence before I can continue
[12:39] <willvdl> ola
[12:41] <highvoltage> 'ola
[01:38] <juliux> hi, can somebody test something with the ltsp-build-client skript?
[01:43] <cbx33> ping ogra
[01:50] <ogra> cbx33, pong
[01:51] <ogra> juliux, whats wrong ?
[01:51] <cbx33> ogra: did you get my mail?
[01:51] <ogra> cbx33, yep
[01:51] <cbx33> cool
[01:51] <cbx33> does it look ok?
[01:51] <ogra> cbx33, the idea was to have something like an SCP class we can import into either kind of frontend
[01:51] <cbx33> oh
[01:52] <cbx33> that's how I've done it
[01:52] <cbx33> but then
[01:52] <juliux> ogra, if i run the ltps-build-client with the --mirror option and i added my mirror with the name and not the ip, i get an error that it can resolve the name
[01:52] <cbx33> how will that work if we're aiming for this multiple server control
[01:53] <ogra> the class should only provide the functions ...
[01:54] <ogra> what i mean is that you dont need an scp-backend ... but import the class into some kind of frontend .... be it curses, gtk or kde
[01:54] <cbx33> ok
[01:54] <ogra> look how Amaranth did it in  willow
[01:54] <cbx33> yeh i've done that....
[01:54] <Amaranth> oops
[01:55] <Amaranth> ogra: what's wrong with willowng in feisty?
[01:55] <cbx33> ogra: so....thats fine
[01:55] <ogra> i'm doing something similar to ltsp-manager atm
[01:55] <cbx33> but
[01:55] <cbx33> how is the multiple server control going to work?
[01:55] <Amaranth> other than the broken error pages
[01:55] <ogra> you will have a server tool that attaches to the class ....
[01:55] <Amaranth> and at least poke the gconf bits to make epiphany use it
[01:56] <ogra> to which you connect over the network
[01:56] <cbx33> ah right
[01:56] <cbx33> hmmm
[01:57] <cbx33> so we need to setup a port for it to communicate over etc
[01:57] <ogra> actually thats only another frontend but reading and writing is done from the net
[01:57] <cbx33> and design a protocol?
[01:57] <ogra> no
[01:57] <ogra> we have ssh
[01:57] <ogra> as the spec describes ...
[01:57] <cbx33> yeh, I kinda got lost a little....sorry
[01:57] <cbx33> I don't want to make the same mistake as I did last time
[01:58] <cbx33> if you remember
[01:58] <ogra> well, much of that was caused by the poor spec
[01:58] <cbx33> so
[01:58] <cbx33> how will the new gui
[01:58] <cbx33> contact the server backend on a remote server?
[01:58] <ogra> what i want to be able to do is have a script like that:
[01:59] <ogra> #!/usr/bin/python
[01:59] <ogra> import SCPClass
[01:59] <ogra> userlist=SCPClass.list_users()
[01:59] <ogra> print userlist
[02:00] <cbx33> yes that's how I've done it
[02:00] <ogra> now i can call the above script via ssh and will get the userlist returned
[02:01] <cbx33> oh i see
[02:01] <cbx33> ok....
[02:01] <cbx33> so....how is that script called?
[02:01] <ogra> pick a name :)
[02:01] <ogra> i really dont care ...
[02:01] <cbx33> where does the script reside
[02:01] <cbx33> or is it dynamically generated?
[02:02] <ogra> thats the script you write as network backend ...
[02:02] <Amaranth> oh, the config GUI is broken :/
[02:02] <cbx33> surely then I'd need many of these scripts?
[02:02] <highvoltage> ogra: I once asked a colluege what a host name should be for a machine, and he said "Pick a scientist", and I made the hostname 'pickascientist', so be careful what you tell people with little sleep :p
[02:02] <ogra> cbx33, nope ... just make one and add switches
[02:02] <cbx33> heheh
[02:02] <cbx33> ogra: ok
[02:02] <cbx33> that's what I thought
[02:02] <cbx33> excellent
[02:03] <cbx33> ok that's that sorted
[02:03] <cbx33> I'll be working on that tomrorow
[02:03] <cbx33> I think I can implement that without too much trouble
[02:03] <ogra> what i wanted to point out is that most if not all SCP related stuff should just be importable as a class or module
[02:03] <cbx33> yes
[02:03] <cbx33> it is
[02:04] <ogra> i'm fine with keeping the old name in the backends btw ...
[02:04] <cbx33> I'll send you the source if you're interested in what I've done so far....
[02:04] <cbx33> right ok
[02:04] <ogra> juliux, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/72482
[02:04] <ogra> i havent fixed that one yet
[02:04] <cbx33> oh and where is our docs for how to update a thinclient nfs root?
[02:05] <cbx33> ogra thanks again for all the help.....did my recommendations of what I can and can't do seem reasonable?
[02:05] <ogra> is the documentation ? beyond the release notes/upgrade notes ?
[02:05] <juliux> ogra, thxs
[02:05] <ogra> cbx33, well, why do you think the screen locking will be complicated ?
[02:05] <cbx33> the gui implementation won't
[02:05] <ogra> that should be one function and another button ... not more
[02:06] <cbx33> but I'm talking abotu the backend
[02:06] <cbx33> the vnx11 stuff
[02:06] <ogra> neither the backend ...
[02:06] <juliux> ogra, the funny thing is if i use de.archive.ubuntu.com then everything is ok, but if the dns entry is in /etc/hosts it fails
[02:06] <ogra> the screen locking has nothing to do with vnc
[02:06] <cbx33> oh
[02:06] <cbx33> screen locking no
[02:06] <cbx33> that could be a dbus call to the exec function to run the lock program right?
[02:06] <ogra> its only a call to gnome-screensaver-command --lock
[02:07] <cbx33> but....
[02:07] <cbx33> it can't be caled as the user
[02:07] <ogra> why ?
[02:07] <cbx33> else they'll be able to unlock
[02:07] <ogra> thats fine
[02:07] <cbx33> but isn't that pointless?
[02:07] <ogra> no
[02:07] <ogra> well, you culd set the gconf key if you urgently want them locked out ...
[02:07] <cbx33> explain
[02:08] <ogra> for now i'm fine with the option to block access ... if you teach and someone starts typing after you locked you knw he tries to unlock
[02:08] <cbx33> ok
[02:08] <ogra> if you have a better idea then feel free ...
[02:08] <cbx33> we'll implement like that for now
[02:09] <cbx33> do you want unlock too?
[02:09] <ogra> if possible, yes
[02:09] <ogra> that might need a script killing the g-ss daemon and restarting it ...
[02:10] <ogra> (not sure g-ss-command has an overriding function for the lock)
[02:11] <cbx33> hmmm
[02:12] <cbx33> would killing the gss not work?
[02:12] <cbx33> for now locking is most important
[02:13] <ogra> killing would indeed work, but is ugly
[02:13] <cbx33> in what way?
[02:13] <cbx33> we kill the clients session right?
[02:13] <ogra> no, you kill gnome-screensaver and start it again ... that will unlock ...
[02:14] <cbx33> oh
[02:14] <ogra> it doesnt touch the running session
[02:14] <Amaranth>   -d, --deactivate           If the screensaver is active then deactivate it (un-blank the screen)
[02:14] <cbx33> no i meant to log them out
[02:14] <Amaranth> gnome-screensaver-command -d
[02:14] <cbx33> we kill their session
[02:14] <ogra> Amaranth, not sure it works with locked screens
[02:15] <ogra> cbx33, why would you want to lock them out if you just want to unblank
[02:15] <ogra> s/lock/log/
[02:15] <Amaranth> ogra: it does
[02:15] <Amaranth> gnome-screensaver-command -a && sleep 10 && gnome-screensaver-command -d
[02:15] <ogra> ah, cool
[02:15] <Amaranth> that works
[02:15] <ogra> cbx33, ^^^
[02:15] <cbx33> excellent
[02:16] <ogra> so just call gnome-screensaver-command --lock/--deactivate
[02:16] <cbx33> ok excellent
[02:16] <Amaranth> there is no --lock
[02:16] <ogra> (use the long options in the script, so a coder doesnt need to look them up in the manpage)
[02:16] <Amaranth> it's -a/--activate
[02:17] <cbx33> ok
[02:17] <cbx33> there is no manpage
[02:17] <cbx33> is there?
[02:17] <ogra> ogra@edubuntu:~/python-ltsp$ LANG=C gnome-screensaver-command --help|grep lock
[02:17] <ogra>   -l, --lock                 Tells the running screensaver process to lock the screen immediately
[02:17] <ogra> Amaranth, ^^
[02:17] <cbx33> yup works a treat
[02:17] <cbx33> gnome-screensaver-command -l && sleep 10 && gnome-screensaver-command -d
[02:17] <Amaranth> ah
[02:18] <Amaranth> --activate probably won't do it if you've got something calling inhibit
[02:18] <ogra> right
[02:18] <Amaranth> and --lock says "screw that, we're locking down" :)
[02:18] <Amaranth> isn't all of this just a wrapper around the dbus api?
[02:18] <cbx33> it would be nice to have
[02:18] <cbx33> -l <password>
[02:18] <cbx33> hehe
[02:19] <ogra> well, then you need to hack pam
[02:19] <cbx33> screw it
[02:19] <cbx33> at least for now anyway
[02:19] <cbx33> ;)
[02:19] <cbx33> I have too much else to worry about
[02:19] <cbx33> i thought about running it as another user...
[02:19] <cbx33> but that probably wouldn't work would it
[02:19] <ogra> that gets very tricky
[02:19] <cbx33> yeh
[02:20] <ogra> dbus wont like it and yu need to fiddle around with xauth
[02:20] <cbx33> ok we'll stick with this for now
[02:20] <cbx33> yeh
[02:21] <cbx33> assistance applet will be ok, just need to possibly implement a seperate part of the bus
[02:21] <cbx33> so that clients can write back to it
[02:21] <ogra> do you have our priority list we made last meeting ?
[02:21] <cbx33> for SCP?
[02:21] <ogra> i thought the applet was low prio
[02:21] <cbx33> no, I was at BETT, will go checking for minutes
[02:21] <cbx33> ok
[02:22] <cbx33> good
[02:22] <cbx33> ;)
[02:22] <ogra> cbx33, you and me had a 1h meeting where we went over the spec, remember ?
[02:22] <cbx33> oh
[02:22] <cbx33> yes...sorry
[02:22] <ogra> way before BETT
[02:22] <cbx33> i thought you meant edubuntu meeting
[02:22] <ogra> nope
[02:22] <ogra> btw
[02:22] <ogra> willvdl, ping
[02:23] <willvdl> ogra pong
[02:23] <ogra> willvdl, i wont be able to make the meeting tonight, can you run it ?
[02:23] <willvdl> sure.
[02:23] <ogra> RichEd is still at LCA ... so it might be pretty quiet anyway .... artwork and doc centric
[02:23] <willvdl> RichEd also away at LCA so I guess it's an SCP, doc and artwork meeting :)
[02:24] <willvdl> snap
[02:24] <cbx33> because I don't have it here, it's at home....what bits are of high priority
[02:24] <ogra> right ...
[02:24] <ogra> not sure what kind of tech stuff rodarvus wants to tell though
[02:24] <Amaranth> @now Chicago
[02:24] <Ubugtu> Current time in America/Chicago: January 17 2007, 07:24:33
[02:24] <ogra> cbx33, i dont have it here either, will need to dig the logs ...
[02:24] <Amaranth> meh, it's supposed to show the next meeting
[02:24] <Amaranth> @schedule Chicago
[02:25] <Amaranth> i give up
[02:25] <cbx33> ok
[02:25] <Amaranth> what time is the meeting?
[02:25] <ogra> Amaranth, tonight at 20:00 UTC
[02:25] <Amaranth> 4pm local time then
[02:25] <ogra> we always have alternating 12:00 and 20:00 UTC
[02:25] <ogra> every wed.
[02:25] <Amaranth> yeah, i don't make it to enough meetings to remember that :)
[02:27] <cbx33> ogra, ok I'll do server/multiple blank/lock, generalisation and filtering
[02:27] <cbx33> as top priority
[02:27] <ogra> is there a difference between multiple/single ?
[02:27] <ogra> i wouldnt think so
[02:27] <cbx33> not really
[02:27] <ogra> right
[02:28] <ogra> that should be based on the selection
[02:28] <cbx33> hmm
[02:28] <cbx33> yeh
[02:28] <cbx33> so the calls to the functions, instead of importing and using locally will be routed to ssh
[02:28] <cbx33> if you're on multiple
[02:28] <cbx33> for now, we're just administrating one remote server right?
[02:29] <cbx33> or the local one
[02:30] <ogra> yes, for feisty thast enough ... but the opportunity for more needs to be there
[02:30] <cbx33> well, yes, that'll require some rewriting
[02:30] <ogra> the frontend should have the opportunity to switch between servers (at least at some point) so that should be prepared in your code
[02:30] <cbx33> switching between servers will be implemented
[02:30] <cbx33> should be in feisty
[02:31] <ogra> great
[02:31] <cbx33> but administering multiple servers from one gui was what I was thinking
[02:31] <ogra> that will need a new gui design
[02:31] <ogra> which we should do in feisty+1
[02:32] <cbx33> ok
[02:32] <cbx33> so...
[02:32] <cbx33> are we going to get vnc in this version?
[02:33] <ogra> not sure, .... if i find the time for it ...
[02:33] <cbx33> ok
[02:33] <cbx33> people were very keen for that at BETT ;)
[02:33] <cbx33> if I have the time I will look into it
[02:33] <ogra> te script is described in the old spec ... feel free to try to write it if you want
[02:34] <cbx33> heh, i will
[02:35] <ogra> since x11vnc has no initscript which could clash with a self written one, you can as well copy one in place by yourself
[02:35] <ogra> which should solve the x11vnc issue
[02:35] <cbx33> ooooo.....k....
[02:36] <cbx33> so basically....we need to...
[02:37] <cbx33> start the x11vnc
[02:37] <cbx33> and then in the gui...connect to that vnc session
[02:39] <cbx33> http://tocm.blogspot.com/2005_11_01_archive.html - look at the top post
[02:41] <ogra> thats nice
[02:42] <cbx33> yeh
[02:42] <ogra> try to find that code
[02:42] <cbx33> but there's no link to anything
[02:42] <ogra> mail him ?
[02:42] <cbx33> no email address
[02:42] <cbx33> oh ang on
[02:42] <cbx33> nope
[02:43] <cbx33> what do you think i'd look for if I were to do it from scratch
[02:45] <ogra> try with a comment ... the blog has a comment space
[02:45] <cbx33> ok
[02:46] <ogra> ad he seems active in LKML
[02:46] <cbx33> cool
[02:46] <cbx33> I'll give him a contact
[02:48] <cbx33> anthony.printf at codemonkey.scanf.ws minus syscalls
[02:48] <cbx33> hahaha
[02:48] <ogra> http://lbpp.sourceforge.net/
[02:48] <ogra> might be the same guy
[02:50] <cbx33> ok mailing now
[02:52] <cbx33> http://virt-manager.et.redhat.com/codestructure.html
[02:53] <ogra> thats for xen ?
[02:53] <ogra> or vmware ?
[02:54] <ogra> uh, ugly, it abuses vnc2swf
[02:54] <cbx33> yes
[02:54] <cbx33> i saw that too
[02:54] <cbx33> http://virt-manager.et.redhat.com/screenshots/guest-console.png
[02:56] <cbx33> actually I don;t know if it is as bad as we thought
[02:56] <cbx33> oh
[02:56] <cbx33> yes it is
[03:22] <Amaranth> what? they use gtkmozembed and vnc2swf?
[03:23] <cbx33> mozembed isn't in the vnc viewer
[03:23] <cbx33> but vnc2swf maybe
[03:23] <cbx33> though I can find no mention of swf in the rfb.py and vnc.py
[03:25] <cbx33> think I may giv this a go
[03:26] <cbx33> seems like it may be fairly easy to implement as a first test anyway
[03:29] <cbx33> what ya think ogra worth a shot?
[03:29] <cbx33> library seems fairly complete from that virt-manager thing
[03:30] <ogra> as long as you dont need any universe stuff do what you want ...
[03:31] <cbx33> well....I can just copy the code out can't I?
[03:32] <ogra> if its not packaged anywhere in ubuntu, yes
[03:33] <cbx33> cool
[03:33] <cbx33> I will look
[03:33] <cbx33> can't see it anywhere
[03:33] <cbx33> so I'll just rip out the code for the python vnc and try it out
[03:33] <cbx33> ;)
[03:33] <ogra> but keep an eye on it ... if its packaged once we shouldnt duplicate the code, then you need to depend on it
[03:34] <cbx33> yeh
[03:45] <g333k_work> hello, is it possible configure autologin un edubuntu?
[03:55] <ogra_> g333k_work, thats the third day you are asking it ... the answer didnt change: yes, via gdm but then you loose local device support
[03:56] <ogra_> ldm doesnt have autologin yet
[03:56] <ogra_> (patches accepted though)
[04:02] <yamama> what is edubuntu ??
[04:04] <cbx33> ogra: dude, I have just ran a vnc session inside a python widget
[04:05] <cbx33> I hacked up their code a bit
[04:05] <cbx33> and...well....it works
[04:12] <g333k_work> ogra, noup... I realized that ubuntu edgy + ltsp 5 use LDM, and is not possible to do the autologin thing :(
[04:20] <ogra> g333k_work, only if you use gdm ... but since we dont support unencrypted connections by default in ltsp5 in ubuntu there is no work gone into localdev support yet
[04:20] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:20] <ogra> hi sbalneav
[04:20] <sbalneav> Hey ogra!
[04:20] <cbx33> ogra: ok it works.....but the resize isn't implemented
[04:21] <cbx33> for the frame buffer
[04:21] <ogra> cbx33, hmm, so no tiled overview yet then...
[04:21] <cbx33> not yet
[04:21] <ogra> thats fine for a start
[04:21] <cbx33> yeh
[04:21] <cbx33> but I want that tiled overview
[04:21] <cbx33> this code is pretty slick
[04:22] <cbx33> but most of the code has
[04:22] <cbx33> raise NotImplementError
[04:22] <cbx33> grrr
[04:22] <cbx33> I mean t's possible that I can hack up the code to get it to work
[04:23] <ogra> dtrask was very keen on getting it in.. but if we cat make it in time we simply cant ...
[04:23] <ogra> s/cat/cant/
[04:23] <cbx33> hmm...so basically.....we need to read in the screen and resize....that's pretty intensive
[04:24] <ogra> it doesn tneed to be realtime ...
[04:24] <cbx33> no....I know
[04:24] <ogra> the tiles can be screenshots
[04:24] <cbx33> taken every 10 secs or so
[04:24] <cbx33> basically I don't know enough about the technology to do it
[04:24] <cbx33> but
[04:24] <cbx33> I'm willing to try and learn
[04:24] <cbx33>   def resize_screen(self, width, height):    raise NotImplementedError
[04:25] <ogra> you use a nonblocking child process ...
[04:25] <cbx33> yeh that's not the issue
[04:26] <ogra> cool would be to have an effect like a tooltip on mouse over that shows the realtime screen in a frameless popup in a suitable size ...
[04:26] <ogra> but i suspect that will slow down everything
[04:27] <cbx33> flippin eck ogra give us a chance
[04:29] <willvdl> :)
[04:37] <cbx33> ogra: managed to resize the window.....but not rescale it
[04:37] <cbx33> can vnc viewer request a size fomr the server?
[04:42] <cbx33> doesn't look like it
[04:48] <cbx33> bbl
[05:37] <cbx33> ogra, I think I've isolated a section of code I can use
[05:38] <cbx33> I don;t know how performance will be, but we'll have to see that later ;)
[05:43] <LaserJock> hi cbx33
[05:44] <cbx33> hey LaserJock
[07:25] <Laser_away> cbx33: jabber
[07:28] <cbx33> Laser_away, bbiab dude
[07:28] <cbx33> dinner
[07:28] <Laser_away> np
[07:56] <cbx33> ogra, I've done it
[07:56] <cbx33> seriously
[07:56] <cbx33> I have a 3 second updating screenshot
[07:56] <cbx33> that is resized
[07:56] <cbx33> took about 2 hours to research and hack up
[07:56] <cbx33> I'll send you a demo
[08:00] <LaserJock> cbx33: bbl
[08:00] <cbx33> LaserJock,
[08:00] <cbx33> hi
[08:00] <cbx33> oh
[08:00] <cbx33> you........dang it
[08:00] <cbx33> I'm here now
[08:18] <juliux> cbx33, no meeting today?
[08:21] <cbx33> yup
[08:21] <cbx33> in 40 mins
[08:21] <cbx33> willvdl is charing
[08:22] <cbx33> chairing
[08:22] <cbx33> as ogra isn't able to attend
[08:35] <cbx33> hey willvdl
[08:59] <willvdl> hey
[08:59] <highvoltage> ahoy
[09:01] <willvdl> edubuntu meeting?
[09:03] <willvdl> [09:53] <stormchas3r> its been awhile since i set edubuntu server up.  Can you guys please point me in the right direction on configuring the server to accept thin clients and all?
[10:03] <willvdl> stormchas3r, www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted
[10:04] <stormchas3r> ty
[10:05] <stormchas3r> has much changed in 6.10 for the server side?
[10:06] <cbx33> nope
[10:06] <cbx33> dhcp is dopne for iirc
[10:07] <LaserJock> cya cbx33
[10:07] <cbx33> nn LaserJock #
[10:08] <stormchas3r> o wow, its been awhile cbx33, remember me?
[10:31] <bddebian> LaserJock: I shouldn't have an issue updating an edubuntu install to a "normal" install should I?
[10:33] <LaserJock> heh
[10:33] <LaserJock> it's basically a normal install +
[10:34] <bddebian> Aye
[10:35] <LaserJock> you did an LTSP server install?
[10:35] <bddebian> No, just a Edgy Live -> Install
[10:36] <LaserJock> oh
[10:36] <LaserJock> then yeah, it's darn near the same thing
[10:36] <bddebian> OK
[10:36] <LaserJock> install ubuntu-* and remove edubuntu-* and you pretty much have it
[10:38] <bddebian> Got it, thanks man
[10:58] <pips1> willvdl: hullo
[10:58] <willvdl> pips1, good to have you back
[10:58] <pips1> what time friday?
[10:59] <willvdl> I am UTC+2 i think, you?
[10:59] <pips1> UTC+1
[10:59] <pips1> morning or afternoon?
[10:59] <willvdl> morning or afternoon?
[10:59] <pips1> heh
[10:59] <willvdl> snap :)
[11:00] <pips1> morning
[11:00] <willvdl> morning is best
[11:00] <willvdl> my 12 is your 11am? or earlier?
[11:00] <pips1> correct
[11:00] <pips1> 10 UTC then?
[11:00] <willvdl> goo for you?
[11:01] <pips1> yep
[11:01] <willvdl> excellent
[11:01] <willvdl> just want to chat wiki/website
[11:02] <pips1> ok, I'll talk to you fri 10 UTC, here
[11:02] <pips1> see you then!
[11:03] <willvdl> ciao
[11:03] <pips1> it was an informative meeting... I will want to know more about your/doc-team thoughts too
[11:03] <willvdl> cool. there are a lot :)
[11:04] <pips1> regarding the whole categorisation/name spaces thing..
[11:04] <pips1> ok, got to go, cu
[11:25] <nixternal> ogra: sorry to here about Fred. I know the feeling as I just lost my dog after 11 years on Thanksgiving Day. It is tough, but at least his suffering is over. My thoughts and prayers are with you!
[11:25] <ogra> thanks a lot
[11:26] <nixternal> that is 3 dev pooches in a row, first jono, then me, and now you :(
[11:26] <nixternal> it sucks big time
[11:26] <nixternal> my mom picked up another pooch, or devil I should say, he can never be a replacement, but he did help a little with the grieving process
[11:27] <ogra> well, it wasnt really unexpected ... 16 is very old and i said goodbye since months already
[11:27] <nixternal> ya, he gave you 16 good years though, that is awesome
[11:27] <ogra> yeah
[11:27] <nixternal> holly was 11 when she went
[11:28] <ogra> thats early ...
[11:28] <ogra> but if the body doesnt want anymore you can hardly do anything
[11:28] <nixternal> a little early yes, but they think she was born with a heart condition, she was about 2 to 3 years early for a malteze
[11:29] <ogra> he still didnt want to go ... the vet had to give an extra shot which is very unusual she said ... but he would have starved to death if i wouldnt have decided it now ...
[11:30] <nixternal> wow, definitely a fighter then. our dog was eventually going to do the same thing with starvation
[11:30] <nixternal> she wouldn't eat for anything, and wouldn't even eat her favorite, chicken and ham
[11:30] <nixternal> or a mcdonald's french fry for that matter
[11:30] <ogra> as weak as he was he did his round through the garden with me, even 30mon before i had to give him the sleeping pills
[11:31] <nixternal> gave you one last walk, that's cool
[11:31] <ogra> yeah, fred stopped eating last friday ...
[11:32] <ogra> and nothing could convnce him ....
[11:32] <nixternal> ya, same exact here
[11:33] <nixternal> well, now there are 3 new friends where ever they go after life on earth, but I can guarantee holly is being a prissy little one and not wanting to play :)
[11:34] <ogra> yeah
[11:34] <nixternal> the only thing holly played with was my cat, and would play around with my pitbull every now and then when feeling frisky
[11:34] <ogra> fred only played with his mom ... he never got why he should play with humans or other dogs
[11:35] <nixternal> the new dog and the pitbull aren't friends yet, the little dog wants to eat the pitbull
[11:36] <nixternal> ya, our new dog plays with everyone and everything, holly didn't play much except if the kids were around
[11:36] <nixternal> i have a 100+ pound pit bull that is terrified on a 5 pound yorkshire terrier
[11:37] <nixternal> crazy
[11:37] <ogra> yeah
[11:37] <nixternal> when the little one comes around, the pitbull will jump on a couch or bed because he knows nikki the little one can't get up there and get him
[11:59] <LaserJock> ogra: will there be re-evaluation of specs at the sprint next week?
[11:59] <LaserJock> like last time