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bddebianHeya02:53
manchicken_Anybody know bazaar well?02:59
bddebianNot me, sorry03:00
nixternalmanchicken: what do you need help with in bazaar?03:06
manchickenI checked out this copy of adept from Riddell's branch.  I'm trying to switch to my branch so that I may check into it.03:10
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imbrandonmanchicken|away, just bzr push <your url>05:52
imbrandonafaik05:52
Jucatohi imbrandon!05:52
imbrandonzomg i about pee'd myself laughing at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeKRxQxVCT005:52
imbrandonheya Jucato05:52
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=== Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Happy Newness! | Merge ! http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+specs | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs
=== Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by ryanakca at Tue Jan 9 03:07:43 2007
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raphinkhi Hobbsee09:14
Hobbseeheya raphink09:16
=== Mez glomps Hobbsee
Hobbseeheya Mez :)09:17
Hobbseeraphink: done09:17
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RiddellHobbsee: you not at linux.conf.au?12:57
HobbseeRiddell: no.....12:57
HobbseeRiddell: i'm at the open day tomorrow though12:57
HobbseeRiddell: the main problem is that it's a crap location for anyone living in the state, who's not in the inner city12:58
Hobbseeie, car, train, bus, every time to get there.12:58
Riddellkwwii: what's going on in kubuntu-de today?12:58
HobbseeRiddell: it sounds interesting though12:59
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kwwiiRiddell: no idea, should I know?01:20
kwwiiafter the meeting two days ago (About working together with Ubuntuuser.de) everything should be going well01:22
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Tonio_Riddell: ping ?01:35
Riddellhi Tonio_01:35
Tonio_hi Riddell ;)01:35
Tonio_Riddell: did you notice debtags is broken ?01:36
Riddellnope01:37
Riddellnew version recently compiled01:37
Tonio_Riddell: I get a postinst error on my 2 machines01:37
Tonio_Unable to find any tag data. Context: Reading debtags sources from /var/lib/debtags/ and /root/.debtags/01:37
Riddelltsk01:37
Tonio_Riddell: I get this error with this version, everything was okay ysterday01:38
Tonio_Riddell: can you reproduce ? just dist-upgrade is needed01:39
Tonio_Riddell: looks like something changed, it now conflicts with apt-index-watcher01:39
Riddellwhat changed is a new version got compiled01:41
Riddellif it's broken that's pretty typical of debtags, it's fiddly stuff01:41
Tonio_hum what to do then ? ;)01:44
Riddellfix it :)01:46
Tonio_hehe ;) I'm not sure I can do it but I'll have a look01:46
Tonio_well the prolblem seems to be the postinst only....01:47
Tonio_Riddell: I'm not there today but I'll have a look tomorrow if it-s not fixed in the meantime01:53
RiddellI won't get to it today, new KDE is out01:53
Tonio_okay great ;)01:53
HobbseeRiddell: so have you fixed the data loss bug yet?  (removable media)?01:54
Hobbsee:P01:54
RiddellHobbsee: I've not done anything on it01:54
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Tonio_Hobbsee: kde guys said that probably won't be fixed until kde401:54
Tonio_I hope the kwallet issue is now fixed...01:56
LongPointyStickTonio_: yes, i know.  unfortuantely, that doesnt sit too well with users01:56
Tonio_LongPointyStick: sure !01:57
Hobbsee\sh: kdar is just a mess.01:58
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manchicken|awayimbrandon: I did push, but that didn't change the current branch it was on.  I'm wanting to change the branch it's on so that I can check in.02:40
manchicken|awayI'll be back in a while, gotta head into the office.02:40
Riddellbzr commit; bzr push02:42
manchicken|awayWhen I try to commit, it gives me permission denied because I'm still on your branch.02:45
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Riddellmanchicken|away: it should be pushing to your branch02:52
Riddellif it doesn't automatically then tell it to explicitly02:52
Riddellbzr push sftp://me@bazaar.launchpad.net/~me/adept/branchname02:52
manchicken|awayIt pushed to my branch, but it won't push changes...02:52
manchicken|awayIt only pushed what you have checked into your branch.02:53
manchicken|awayI've really gotta boogie, I'll sort this out later.02:53
Riddellbzr commit ?02:53
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manchickenRiddell: I'm trying that check-in now.03:54
manchickenAck, running to meeting.03:54
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manchickenI think I pushed it.  I'll have to check later.04:34
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Riddell** KDE 3.5.6 for testing deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kde-356-feisty/ feisty main06:22
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Mezgot any for edgy yet ?06:27
Riddellno, I need it tested on feisty first06:29
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=== kwwii installs (*gulp*) gnome
nixternalhahaha06:43
Riddellkwwii: install ubuntu-desktop better06:43
nixternalRiddell: get the 3.5.6 for edgy :)06:43
kwwiiRiddell: what will that do to my existing kubuntu?06:44
nixternalshoot, i forgot i have my fesity box06:44
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kwwiiand how can I switch between the two desktops once I have both installed?06:44
Riddellkwwii: nothing06:45
Riddellkwwii: how long have you been using GNU/Linux man?!06:45
kwwiiRiddell: well, suse always had a nice kdm with which to choose desktops :-)06:46
Riddellas indeed do we06:46
kwwiihehe, well, that proves that I haven't installed gnome in a long time :p06:47
Riddellmenu->session->gnome06:47
kwwiicool...for some reason I just assumed that it wasn't that easy06:47
sebasThe hard part is when you realise that you really miss kwin06:50
kwwiihehe06:50
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kwwiimy new laptop does 3D well from what I have heard...how does one set that up on kde?06:52
kwwiiand while we are at questions that nobody wants to answer, when will there be a flash9 package available?06:56
nixternalkwwii: today for flash 906:56
nixternalhttp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/f/flashplugin-nonfree/flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.31~ubuntu1_i386.deb06:57
nixternallovely on that link :)06:57
nixternalit was released for edgy, but i downloaded that and installed it w/o any issues06:57
nixternalerr, feisty not edgy, but i installed it on edgy06:58
kwwiinixternal: sweet , thanks for the info07:13
kwwiiman having an i386 laptop is like taking a step up in the world! wlan works, 3d works, flash, etc07:15
nixternallol07:17
nixternali think i just found out a neat feature or bug in the mplayer plugin for firefox. when you take focus off of the window with mplayer in ff, it pauses the video07:18
nixternalkde 3.5.6 up and running!07:18
kwwiidude, that is very apparently a feature :p07:19
nixternalhehe07:19
nixternalya, but i have seen recent so called features called bugs instead07:20
kwwiiwell, if you squint your eyes hard enough I am sure it looks like a feature :p07:20
nixternalhehe07:21
kwwiianyway, who doesn't want a mouse cursor in the middle of the movie?07:21
nixternalhttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=33827907:21
nixternalsweet07:21
kwwiiwow07:22
kwwiiI'll give that to my wife and see how she does ;-)07:22
nixternalif that really does exist and happen, Ubuntu will definitely take over the world!07:22
nixternalRiddell: http://secunia.com/advisories/23799/07:23
Riddellnixternal: I uploaded the fix yesterday, not sure if pitti let it through though07:27
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nixternal_Riddell: did you get the kde3.5.x security notice?07:43
Riddell18:27 < Riddell> nixternal: I uploaded the fix yesterday, not sure if pitti let it through though07:43
nixternalok cool07:43
nixternalDoS on my router it seems07:43
nixternalwith 3.5.6 konqi can now do my grocery shopping w/o crashing :)07:44
nixternalso that was one bug fix07:44
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Riddellnixternal: so no problems with 3.5.6?09:18
Riddellnixternal: are you able to test printing?09:18
nixternali will do that right now09:31
alleeWas this incompatibility discussed already?  Bug 7543509:34
UbugtuMalone bug 75435 in digikam "Gnome and KDE trash are incompatible.  Was: usdigikam expects trash to be in ~/Desktop/Trash - causes error in Ubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7543509:34
Riddellallee: not with me09:36
alleeRiddell: k. Against which pkgs should a 'Gnome and KDE trash are incompatible. " bug be reported?  Or is this a topic for a dev meeting?09:37
Riddellkio-trash is in kdebase09:39
Riddellno idea where the gnome stuff is09:39
Riddellis this an ubuntu issue or an upstream issue?09:39
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tomaallee: that is the reason we implemented a config setting to delete it straight away09:53
tomaiirc09:53
alleeRiddell: I had already a look at the kde code.  It's an upstream issue.  KDE and Gnome uses different implementations.  Gnome use more of less a  mv  this ~/.Trash.  While XDG trash add .trashinfo files and add sequence numbers for identical named files09:53
alleetoma: really?  AFAIR I insistend on bypassing trash possibility because it frustrates me always have to empty the trash ;)09:54
tomaallee: iirc it was triggered by a desktop user (not gnome, but another one) which did not have a trash at all09:55
tomaand we did not want a dep on kedbase for this09:55
alleetoma: btw. digikam doesn't find images copied to lib while it's running in Gnome desktop.  Missing daemon or is that digikam default?09:57
tomaallee: there is a dirwatcher which monitors changes09:57
tomai assume kdelibs dirwatcher works on gnome as well, unless dirwatcher does not work with the monitor installed in a gnome install09:59
tomamaybe Riddell knows that09:59
alleetoma: it's really strange when stuff that always worked suddenly stops.  One feels lost ;)10:00
tomaindeed.10:01
tomais that in 0.9.x ?10:01
tomathey might have changed things there10:01
tomai only wrote the original implementation10:01
alleeI tried standard edgy gnome.  So digikam 0.8.2.10:02
tomaeiks10:02
tomaiirc there is a 'dirty' debug message when something has changed on disk10:03
alleetoma: bug reporter had already updated to 0.9 when I answered ;)10:03
alleetoma: pkgs are build with --disable-debug :(10:03
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nixternalman, kde 3.5.6 and setting up my samba printer is a breeze10:04
toma*sigh*10:04
manchickenEVIL samba10:05
nixternalit is, but i don't have a printer of my own anymore, so i use dad's printer next door10:07
nixternalthe worst part is walking forever to the printer10:07
nixternal;p10:07
nixternalRiddell: printing in KDE 3.5.6 works like a charm (HP PSC1610 Multi-Function Printer)10:08
Riddellallee: sounds like gnome doesn't implement the XDG spec then10:08
manchickenThe hardest part of setting up my cups printer was opening the firewall hole.10:08
Riddellnixternal: wonderful, thanks10:08
alleeRiddell: yes.  But that's only a draft10:08
nixternali don't print all that often, so i never found the reason to go purchase another printer10:09
nixternalthat pesty bug of clicking on adept_updater icon in kicker and it not opening the first time seems still be around10:09
nixternalheh, i forgot that it crashes when you press next :)10:10
manchickenMy next printer will sit on my router.10:10
alleeRiddell:  the only simple *but dirty* fix, is a generalized for of  ln -s ~/.Trash ~/.local/share/Trash10:16
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Riddellyes, it's a gnome bug10:18
alleeRiddell:  which ubuntu dev to ping about gnome?  (I'm not motived to get used to gnome bug reporting)10:20
alleetoma: fwiw I tried: 0.8.2 updates dynamicly when run in a KDE session or via ssh -X user@host digikam.  In a gnome session it does not.10:26
tomaallee: strange10:26
alleemaybe on if KDE_FULL_SESSION is set (wild wild guess)10:26
allees/on/only/10:27
tomaallee: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xdg/2005-April/006829.html10:27
tomathat can be read as kdirwatcher is not gnome compatible10:28
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alleetoma: mhmm, I read it as 'would be nice to agree on a bookmark location and format'10:33
tomak10:34
Riddellallee: seb128, dholbach10:47
alleeRiddell: thx10:47
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snikkeri've got an "DCOP error" when i click on the bluetooth icon in the kontrol center. how fix this?11:18
Riddellsnikker: what version?11:18
snikkerRiddell: kde 3.5.511:19
Riddellsnikker: what kubuntu version11:19
snikkerRiddell: 6.10, but until one hour ago it work fine...11:19
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snikkerRiddell: i've removed and reinstalled all about the bluetooth, but nothing to do...11:20
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Riddellsnikker: do other control centre modules work?11:22
snikkerRiddell: yes, other modules, work11:23
Riddellsnikker: have you installed any packages today?11:23
Riddellor upgraded?11:24
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snikkerRiddell: i've installed: portmap, nfs-common, p3nfs, rebooted and all was fine.11:26
Riddellshouldn't cause any problems11:27
snikkerRiddell: i've also modified rfcomm, if it can help...11:28
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Tonio_Riddell: ping ?11:44
imbrandonheya Tonio_11:48
Tonio_hey imbrandon :)11:48
Tonio_I'll order the ibm this week11:49
Tonio_(promissed this time !!)11:49
imbrandonhehe no worries11:49
Tonio_Riddell: the issue with your debtags package is that vocabulary is 0 b11:52
Tonio_Riddell: I think autogen failed downloading the good files11:52
Tonio_Riddell: same issue with tags_current11:53
Tonio_Riddell: do you have svn access ? looks like needed by autogen.sh*11:53
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RiddellTonio_: no, I don't11:53
Riddellyou can get the file from elsewhere, but I can never remember where11:54
Riddellprobably anonymous svn from somewhere11:54
RiddellTonio_: oh and adept should be fine to drop the depend on apt-index-watcher11:54
Riddellit has been dropped in debian11:54
Tonio_Riddell: there is a solution by patching the get_tags and get_vocabulary scripts11:55
Tonio_Riddell: but that's ugly since I have to manually modify them....11:55
Tonio_Riddell: let me have a look11:55
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Tonio_Riddell: currently building but that should be fixed this time....12:00
Tonio_Riddell: I'll also fix adept12:01
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Tonio_Riddell: hum the build fails now :)12:05
Riddelluh oh12:05
Tonio_Riddell: looks like missing libtool files....12:08
Tonio_Riddell: I think autogen needs to force overwritting config.guess and other files...12:09
Tonio_tagcoll/diskindex/mmap.h: No such file or directory12:10
Tonio_messy.........12:10
Tonio_apt-file search mmap.h | grep disk12:11
Tonio_no result.....12:11
RiddellTonio_: you need to have libept and libtagcoll installed when running autogen12:12
Riddellinstall builddeps and rerun ./autogen.sh12:13
Tonio_Riddell: testing....12:13

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