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[02:53] <bddebian> Heya
[02:59] <manchicken_> Anybody know bazaar well?
[03:00] <bddebian> Not me, sorry
[03:06] <nixternal> manchicken: what do you need help with in bazaar?
[03:10] <manchicken> I checked out this copy of adept from Riddell's branch.  I'm trying to switch to my branch so that I may check into it.
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[05:52] <imbrandon> manchicken|away, just bzr push <your url>
[05:52] <imbrandon> afaik
[05:52] <Jucato> hi imbrandon!
[05:52] <imbrandon> zomg i about pee'd myself laughing at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeKRxQxVCT0
[05:52] <imbrandon> heya Jucato
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=== Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Happy Newness! | Merge ! http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+specs | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs
=== Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by ryanakca at Tue Jan  9 03:07:43 2007
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[09:14] <raphink> hi Hobbsee
[09:16] <Hobbsee> heya raphink
=== Mez glomps Hobbsee 
[09:17] <Hobbsee> heya Mez :)
[09:17] <Hobbsee> raphink: done
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[12:57] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you not at linux.conf.au?
[12:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: no.....
[12:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm at the open day tomorrow though
[12:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the main problem is that it's a crap location for anyone living in the state, who's not in the inner city
[12:58] <Hobbsee> ie, car, train, bus, every time to get there.
[12:58] <Riddell> kwwii: what's going on in kubuntu-de today?
[12:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it sounds interesting though
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[01:20] <kwwii> Riddell: no idea, should I know?
[01:22] <kwwii> after the meeting two days ago (About working together with Ubuntuuser.de) everything should be going well
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[01:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[01:35] <Riddell> hi Tonio_
[01:35] <Tonio_> hi Riddell ;)
[01:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you notice debtags is broken ?
[01:37] <Riddell> nope
[01:37] <Riddell> new version recently compiled
[01:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: I get a postinst error on my 2 machines
[01:37] <Tonio_> Unable to find any tag data. Context: Reading debtags sources from /var/lib/debtags/ and /root/.debtags/
[01:37] <Riddell> tsk
[01:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: I get this error with this version, everything was okay ysterday
[01:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: can you reproduce ? just dist-upgrade is needed
[01:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like something changed, it now conflicts with apt-index-watcher
[01:41] <Riddell> what changed is a new version got compiled
[01:41] <Riddell> if it's broken that's pretty typical of debtags, it's fiddly stuff
[01:44] <Tonio_> hum what to do then ? ;)
[01:46] <Riddell> fix it :)
[01:46] <Tonio_> hehe ;) I'm not sure I can do it but I'll have a look
[01:47] <Tonio_> well the prolblem seems to be the postinst only....
[01:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm not there today but I'll have a look tomorrow if it-s not fixed in the meantime
[01:53] <Riddell> I won't get to it today, new KDE is out
[01:53] <Tonio_> okay great ;)
[01:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: so have you fixed the data loss bug yet?  (removable media)?
[01:54] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:54] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I've not done anything on it
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[01:54] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: kde guys said that probably won't be fixed until kde4
[01:56] <Tonio_> I hope the kwallet issue is now fixed...
[01:56] <LongPointyStick> Tonio_: yes, i know.  unfortuantely, that doesnt sit too well with users
[01:57] <Tonio_> LongPointyStick: sure !
[01:58] <Hobbsee> \sh: kdar is just a mess.
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[02:40] <manchicken|away> imbrandon: I did push, but that didn't change the current branch it was on.  I'm wanting to change the branch it's on so that I can check in.
[02:40] <manchicken|away> I'll be back in a while, gotta head into the office.
[02:42] <Riddell> bzr commit; bzr push
[02:45] <manchicken|away> When I try to commit, it gives me permission denied because I'm still on your branch.
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[02:52] <Riddell> manchicken|away: it should be pushing to your branch
[02:52] <Riddell> if it doesn't automatically then tell it to explicitly
[02:52] <Riddell> bzr push sftp://me@bazaar.launchpad.net/~me/adept/branchname
[02:52] <manchicken|away> It pushed to my branch, but it won't push changes...
[02:53] <manchicken|away> It only pushed what you have checked into your branch.
[02:53] <manchicken|away> I've really gotta boogie, I'll sort this out later.
[02:53] <Riddell> bzr commit ?
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[03:54] <manchicken> Riddell: I'm trying that check-in now.
[03:54] <manchicken> Ack, running to meeting.
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[04:34] <manchicken> I think I pushed it.  I'll have to check later.
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[06:22] <Riddell> ** KDE 3.5.6 for testing deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kde-356-feisty/ feisty main
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[06:27] <Mez> got any for edgy yet ?
[06:29] <Riddell> no, I need it tested on feisty first
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[06:43] <nixternal> hahaha
[06:43] <Riddell> kwwii: install ubuntu-desktop better
[06:43] <nixternal> Riddell: get the 3.5.6 for edgy :)
[06:44] <kwwii> Riddell: what will that do to my existing kubuntu?
[06:44] <nixternal> shoot, i forgot i have my fesity box
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[06:44] <kwwii> and how can I switch between the two desktops once I have both installed?
[06:45] <Riddell> kwwii: nothing
[06:45] <Riddell> kwwii: how long have you been using GNU/Linux man?!
[06:46] <kwwii> Riddell: well, suse always had a nice kdm with which to choose desktops :-)
[06:46] <Riddell> as indeed do we
[06:47] <kwwii> hehe, well, that proves that I haven't installed gnome in a long time :p
[06:47] <Riddell> menu->session->gnome
[06:47] <kwwii> cool...for some reason I just assumed that it wasn't that easy
[06:50] <sebas> The hard part is when you realise that you really miss kwin
[06:50] <kwwii> hehe
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[06:52] <kwwii> my new laptop does 3D well from what I have heard...how does one set that up on kde?
[06:56] <kwwii> and while we are at questions that nobody wants to answer, when will there be a flash9 package available?
[06:56] <nixternal> kwwii: today for flash 9
[06:57] <nixternal> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/f/flashplugin-nonfree/flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.31~ubuntu1_i386.deb
[06:57] <nixternal> lovely on that link :)
[06:57] <nixternal> it was released for edgy, but i downloaded that and installed it w/o any issues
[06:58] <nixternal> err, feisty not edgy, but i installed it on edgy
[07:13] <kwwii> nixternal: sweet , thanks for the info
[07:15] <kwwii> man having an i386 laptop is like taking a step up in the world! wlan works, 3d works, flash, etc
[07:17] <nixternal> lol
[07:18] <nixternal> i think i just found out a neat feature or bug in the mplayer plugin for firefox. when you take focus off of the window with mplayer in ff, it pauses the video
[07:18] <nixternal> kde 3.5.6 up and running!
[07:19] <kwwii> dude, that is very apparently a feature :p
[07:19] <nixternal> hehe
[07:20] <nixternal> ya, but i have seen recent so called features called bugs instead
[07:20] <kwwii> well, if you squint your eyes hard enough I am sure it looks like a feature :p
[07:21] <nixternal> hehe
[07:21] <kwwii> anyway, who doesn't want a mouse cursor in the middle of the movie?
[07:21] <nixternal> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=338279
[07:21] <nixternal> sweet
[07:22] <kwwii> wow
[07:22] <kwwii> I'll give that to my wife and see how she does ;-)
[07:22] <nixternal> if that really does exist and happen, Ubuntu will definitely take over the world!
[07:23] <nixternal> Riddell: http://secunia.com/advisories/23799/
[07:27] <Riddell> nixternal: I uploaded the fix yesterday, not sure if pitti let it through though
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[07:43] <nixternal_> Riddell: did you get the kde3.5.x security notice?
[07:43] <Riddell> 18:27 < Riddell> nixternal: I uploaded the fix yesterday, not sure if pitti let it through though
[07:43] <nixternal> ok cool
[07:43] <nixternal> DoS on my router it seems
[07:44] <nixternal> with 3.5.6 konqi can now do my grocery shopping w/o crashing :)
[07:44] <nixternal> so that was one bug fix
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[09:18] <Riddell> nixternal: so no problems with 3.5.6?
[09:18] <Riddell> nixternal: are you able to test printing?
[09:31] <nixternal> i will do that right now
[09:34] <allee> Was this incompatibility discussed already?  Bug 75435
[09:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75435 in digikam "Gnome and KDE trash are incompatible.  Was: usdigikam expects trash to be in ~/Desktop/Trash - causes error in Ubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/75435
[09:36] <Riddell> allee: not with me
[09:37] <allee> Riddell: k. Against which pkgs should a 'Gnome and KDE trash are incompatible. " bug be reported?  Or is this a topic for a dev meeting?
[09:39] <Riddell> kio-trash is in kdebase
[09:39] <Riddell> no idea where the gnome stuff is
[09:39] <Riddell> is this an ubuntu issue or an upstream issue?
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[09:53] <toma> allee: that is the reason we implemented a config setting to delete it straight away
[09:53] <toma> iirc
[09:53] <allee> Riddell: I had already a look at the kde code.  It's an upstream issue.  KDE and Gnome uses different implementations.  Gnome use more of less a  mv  this ~/.Trash.  While XDG trash add .trashinfo files and add sequence numbers for identical named files
[09:54] <allee> toma: really?  AFAIR I insistend on bypassing trash possibility because it frustrates me always have to empty the trash ;)
[09:55] <toma> allee: iirc it was triggered by a desktop user (not gnome, but another one) which did not have a trash at all
[09:55] <toma> and we did not want a dep on kedbase for this
[09:57] <allee> toma: btw. digikam doesn't find images copied to lib while it's running in Gnome desktop.  Missing daemon or is that digikam default?
[09:57] <toma> allee: there is a dirwatcher which monitors changes
[09:59] <toma> i assume kdelibs dirwatcher works on gnome as well, unless dirwatcher does not work with the monitor installed in a gnome install
[09:59] <toma> maybe Riddell knows that
[10:00] <allee> toma: it's really strange when stuff that always worked suddenly stops.  One feels lost ;)
[10:01] <toma> indeed.
[10:01] <toma> is that in 0.9.x ?
[10:01] <toma> they might have changed things there
[10:01] <toma> i only wrote the original implementation
[10:02] <allee> I tried standard edgy gnome.  So digikam 0.8.2.
[10:02] <toma> eiks
[10:03] <toma> iirc there is a 'dirty' debug message when something has changed on disk
[10:03] <allee> toma: bug reporter had already updated to 0.9 when I answered ;)
[10:03] <allee> toma: pkgs are build with --disable-debug :(
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[10:04] <nixternal> man, kde 3.5.6 and setting up my samba printer is a breeze
[10:04] <toma> *sigh*
[10:05] <manchicken> EVIL samba
[10:07] <nixternal> it is, but i don't have a printer of my own anymore, so i use dad's printer next door
[10:07] <nixternal> the worst part is walking forever to the printer
[10:07] <nixternal> ;p
[10:08] <nixternal> Riddell: printing in KDE 3.5.6 works like a charm (HP PSC1610 Multi-Function Printer)
[10:08] <Riddell> allee: sounds like gnome doesn't implement the XDG spec then
[10:08] <manchicken> The hardest part of setting up my cups printer was opening the firewall hole.
[10:08] <Riddell> nixternal: wonderful, thanks
[10:08] <allee> Riddell: yes.  But that's only a draft
[10:09] <nixternal> i don't print all that often, so i never found the reason to go purchase another printer
[10:09] <nixternal> that pesty bug of clicking on adept_updater icon in kicker and it not opening the first time seems still be around
[10:10] <nixternal> heh, i forgot that it crashes when you press next :)
[10:10] <manchicken> My next printer will sit on my router.
[10:16] <allee> Riddell:  the only simple *but dirty* fix, is a generalized for of  ln -s ~/.Trash ~/.local/share/Trash
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[10:18] <Riddell> yes, it's a gnome bug
[10:20] <allee> Riddell:  which ubuntu dev to ping about gnome?  (I'm not motived to get used to gnome bug reporting)
[10:26] <allee> toma: fwiw I tried: 0.8.2 updates dynamicly when run in a KDE session or via ssh -X user@host digikam.  In a gnome session it does not.
[10:26] <toma> allee: strange
[10:26] <allee> maybe on if KDE_FULL_SESSION is set (wild wild guess)
[10:27] <allee> s/on/only/
[10:27] <toma> allee: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xdg/2005-April/006829.html
[10:28] <toma> that can be read as kdirwatcher is not gnome compatible
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[10:33] <allee> toma: mhmm, I read it as 'would be nice to agree on a bookmark location and format'
[10:34] <toma> k
[10:47] <Riddell> allee: seb128, dholbach
[10:47] <allee> Riddell: thx
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[11:18] <snikker> i've got an "DCOP error" when i click on the bluetooth icon in the kontrol center. how fix this?
[11:18] <Riddell> snikker: what version?
[11:19] <snikker> Riddell: kde 3.5.5
[11:19] <Riddell> snikker: what kubuntu version
[11:19] <snikker> Riddell: 6.10, but until one hour ago it work fine...
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[11:20] <snikker> Riddell: i've removed and reinstalled all about the bluetooth, but nothing to do...
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[11:22] <Riddell> snikker: do other control centre modules work?
[11:23] <snikker> Riddell: yes, other modules, work
[11:23] <Riddell> snikker: have you installed any packages today?
[11:24] <Riddell> or upgraded?
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[11:26] <snikker> Riddell: i've installed: portmap, nfs-common, p3nfs, rebooted and all was fine.
[11:27] <Riddell> shouldn't cause any problems
[11:28] <snikker> Riddell: i've also modified rfcomm, if it can help...
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[11:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[11:48] <imbrandon> heya Tonio_
[11:48] <Tonio_> hey imbrandon :)
[11:49] <Tonio_> I'll order the ibm this week
[11:49] <Tonio_> (promissed this time !!)
[11:49] <imbrandon> hehe no worries
[11:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: the issue with your debtags package is that vocabulary is 0 b
[11:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think autogen failed downloading the good files
[11:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: same issue with tags_current
[11:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you have svn access ? looks like needed by autogen.sh*
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[11:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: no, I don't
[11:54] <Riddell> you can get the file from elsewhere, but I can never remember where
[11:54] <Riddell> probably anonymous svn from somewhere
[11:54] <Riddell> Tonio_: oh and adept should be fine to drop the depend on apt-index-watcher
[11:54] <Riddell> it has been dropped in debian
[11:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is a solution by patching the get_tags and get_vocabulary scripts
[11:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: but that's ugly since I have to manually modify them....
[11:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: let me have a look
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[12:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: currently building but that should be fixed this time....
[12:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll also fix adept
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[12:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum the build fails now :)
[12:05] <Riddell> uh oh
[12:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like missing libtool files....
[12:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think autogen needs to force overwritting config.guess and other files...
[12:10] <Tonio_> tagcoll/diskindex/mmap.h: No such file or directory
[12:10] <Tonio_> messy.........
[12:11] <Tonio_> apt-file search mmap.h | grep disk
[12:11] <Tonio_> no result.....
[12:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: you need to have libept and libtagcoll installed when running autogen
[12:13] <Riddell> install builddeps and rerun ./autogen.sh
[12:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: testing....