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Odd_BlokeHmm, the Launchpad bug report emails make it really hard to filter them into a separate folder.12:39
mdkeOdd_Bloke: they are quite easy to filter, they have their own headers :)12:39
mdke:012:39
mdke* ^X-Launchpad-Bug.* 12:39
mdke.Bugs/12:39
LarstiQOdd_Bloke: they filter really well :)12:39
mdkeexcept, you can't filter them into lots of different folders very well12:40
mdkebecause they don't state the product/source package12:40
mdkethat's a bit of a pain12:40
LarstiQthey do for products at least12:41
LarstiQX-Launchpad-Bug: product=bzr; status=Confirmed; importance=Medium;                                                                                                       12:41
LarstiQI'd think they also mention source package in case of distributions, but I'm an upstream kind of guy, so not sure.12:41
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mdkeoh yeah :)12:42
mdkestill, that information should be in the body of the email, not just for filtering but for identifiability12:42
Odd_BlokeI noticed that but missed the filter by header option in my mail client. :S12:43
Odd_BlokeThanks guys.12:43
LarstiQprocmail \o/12:43
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LaserJockhi quick question. I'm trying to set up something that people can file a bug against to request a program's inclusion into Universe. Would a product be the right thing to create?01:05
kikoLaserJock, why not against ubuntu plain?01:05
LaserJockor can "dummy" packages be created01:05
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LaserJockkiko: well, it will be quite a large number and perhaps hard to track if it's just against Ubuntu01:06
kikoLaserJock, use a tag to group them?01:06
LaserJockheh, maybe01:06
LaserJockit's hard to get people to do anything standard01:06
LaserJockif I can give them a URL it would be best01:06
kikofor +filebug you mean, right?01:07
LaserJockyeah01:07
LaserJockcan you "preload" bugs with tags?01:07
kikothat's a good question. something like +filebug?tag=universe-request ?01:07
LaserJockyeah01:07
kikoyou can't currently but that wouldn't be too hard to implement if you convinced BjornT :)01:07
LaserJockhmm01:08
LaserJockso you think registering a product wouldn't be good?01:08
mdkethe bug on Ubuntu plain is kinda logical, given that the absence of a package in Ubuntu is a bug in Ubuntu itself01:08
kikothat's why I suggested it01:08
kikoLaserJock, I'd rather products be used for real products01:09
LaserJockI see01:09
kikoreal upstreams IYKWIM01:09
kikoLaserJock, I am however game for trying to get preloading of tags going RSN for you01:09
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LaserJockkiko-zzz: file a bug against Malone?01:10
kiko-zzzLaserJock, please do, and ping me about it tomorrow01:10
kiko-zzzI need to catch some zs01:11
LaserJockkiko-zzz: will do, thanks01:11
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LaserJockkiko-zzz: Bug #79671, thanks01:50
UbugtuMalone bug 79671 in malone "preload tags for +filebug" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7967101:50
UbugtuNew bug: #79671 in malone "preload tags for +filebug" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7967101:55
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UbugtuNew bug: #79674 in rosetta "List translatable upstreams on separate page, sample on front page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7967402:45
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Mezdo the buildds email you only if it fails, or if it's successful aswell ?04:47
ajmitchonly on failures, thankfully04:50
ajmitchI'd hate to get that much spam04:50
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thumperajmitch: you get out for lunch much?04:57
ajmitchyeah, I make sure I get out of the office04:58
ajmitchI'm in the octagon, so it's nice & easy to go somewhere for lunch04:58
thumperajmitch: I was considering walking down the hill tomorrow, wanna meet for lunch?05:00
ajmitchsure, where do you want to meet up?05:00
thumperoctagon sounds fine, I live in Roslyn now05:00
ajmitchok05:00
thumperhow about the Robbie statue around 12ish05:00
ajmitchsounds fine05:01
thumperI'll wear my geek tee-shirt05:01
thumper:)05:01
ajmitchyeah, I can't really wear my ubuntu shirt to work :)05:01
thumperdamn05:01
thumperdo you have a google calendar?05:02
ajmitchno, but I suspect I can set one up quickly05:02
thumperif you have a vodafone mobile, it can send you sms to remind you :)05:03
ajmitchok, I do05:03
ajmitchoh that's useful05:03
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mruizHi. I have a problem with launchpad email notification. I  received two emails, after I approved a member (ubuntu-cl).06:59
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=== Topic for #launchpad: Developer meeting: Thu 18 Jan 2007, 1200UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39
=== Topic (#launchpad): set by mpt at Mon Jan 15 05:27:14 2007
Mezmruiz, quite possibly due to you being an admin and you doing the change (you get one for doing the change, one for being an admin that goes to all admins)07:15
mruizMez, we only have one admin:  mruiz  :D07:17
Mezyes - but you're still an admin07:18
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mruiznp Mez 07:19
mruizI suspect that it is a bug/feature (since last commit)07:20
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MadpilotAnyone with LP admin rights around? There's someone who's been spamming help.u.c/c - their account needs disabling...08:27
Madpilothere's the idiot: https://launchpad.net/~tuckeett08:30
Mezstub's the most recently active08:30
Madpilotcheck the attachments here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kypir08:30
Madpilothttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kypir?action=AttachFile08:31
MezMadpilot, no such page08:31
Mezoh08:31
Mezouch08:31
Madpilotview attachements - URL I just pasted08:31
Madpilothe was around a few days ago, mdke & I cleaned up, but forgot to ping the LP admins to get the account frozen08:31
Madpilotseems to be some sort of pathetic attempt at linkfarming08:33
Mezeven though the links dont go to any decent sites08:33
Mez:(08:33
Mezdarn08:33
MezI wanted free porn08:34
MezMadpilot, might be better to email the canonical admin rt08:34
Madpilot"Free as in porn"? ;)08:34
stubdisabled08:34
Madpilotstub, thanks. I'll clean the wiki up now08:35
Mezor wait for stub08:35
MezMadpilot, it brings a whole new meaning to "free porn" doesnt it ?08:35
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Madpilotheh08:36
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Madpilotcrap cleared up...08:41
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mdkestub: thanks for that. It was the subject of https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+ticket/3175 - I'll close it, but I wanted to let you know because I'm slightly concerned that these support tickets don't get seen by you guys09:47
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stubI have no idea who is supposed to be triaging them. Perhaps matsubara?09:48
carlosmorning09:49
stubIn theory, everyone here should be seeing the tickets: https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-qa09:49
mdkestub: yeah, that's what I thought :(09:50
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mdkestub: perhaps a way to add priority to tickets would assist09:57
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mdkewe could have avoided that spamfest09:57
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UbugtuNew bug: #80209 in launchpad "LaunchpadBrowserPublication being used for XML-RPC" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8020910:20
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Bhaskarjinty: hello10:51
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Bhaskarjinty: i am preparing a list of missing string, i will send you after some hours10:54
jintyBhaskar, please send it to the schooltool list rather10:55
Bhaskarjinty: ok10:55
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daniloscarlos: re bug 68201, I don't see any orca imports in the queue, and I don't know where else to look12:54
UbugtuMalone bug 68201 in gnome-orca "No translations for gnome-orca" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/68201 - Assigned to Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs)12:54
daniloscarlos: and hi :)12:54
carlosdanilos: hi12:56
carlosdanilos: that kind of bugs is because either the package lacks the .pot file regeneration12:57
danilosor? (I know of that, but I am not sure how to best check that -- i.e. should I look into binary package or source package?)12:59
daniloscarlos: ^12:59
carlosor we have the .pot file as FAILED (sorry, got distracted)01:00
carlosdanilos: first you need to be sure that it's not BLOCKED or FAILED, our UI for that sucks01:01
daniloscarlos: I checked by looking in the translationimportqueueentry table in the db, so that's covered :)01:01
carlosdanilos: so I recomend you DB queries 01:02
carlosok01:02
carlosthen, check the source code of that package01:02
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danilosok, I'll let dholbach know about the possible problems and help him with identifying the culprit01:02
carloshm, I thought I already answered a request like that for gnome-orca01:07
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daniloscarlos: btw, do you know what they need to do to fix the problem? iow, how to include the POT (it's indeed missing) in the generated file?01:14
carlosdanilos: they know how to01:15
carlosit's a debbuild script01:15
daniloscarlos: ok, good for them then :)01:15
carlosMartin prepared it in a standard way so it's just a rule to add01:15
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statichello launchpad!01:25
UbugtuNew bug: #80238 in rosetta "language packages with kde help files missing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8023801:25
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UbugtuNew bug: #80243 in malone "unknown bug watch url no instructions" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8024302:21
UbugtuNew bug: #80244 in malone "Bugwatch update script failed to parse XML description" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8024402:26
UbugtuNew bug: #80245 in launchpad "(critical) email disclosure from "add a subscriber"'s search function" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8024502:30
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kikoBjornT, have you noticed that the guided filebug form doesn't allow one to file security bugs?02:37
BjornTkiko: hmm, right. does it make much sense to file security bugs on the guided filebug, though? usually security bugs are private, so you won't find duplicates anyway.02:40
kikoBjornT, I think the issue is more that the user isn't aware of the fact that the advanced form does allow filing privates02:47
BjornTkiko: yeah. i guess putting a security checkbox on the +filebug page wouldn't hurt. or do you think modifying the text that links to the advanced filebug page would be better?02:52
kikoI'm actually not sure. I want to check with pitti/mdz that this feature is desireable at all first02:54
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kikostub, ping?03:42
kikostub, any idea why we don't use CONTAINSSTRING in place of explicit LIKEs?03:42
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matsubaradoes anybody know which bug tracker CUPS use?04:06
kikoit uses a really weird PHP thing04:10
kikoI've looked at it a few times04:10
LarstiQkiko: have you progressed any on Mantis?04:10
kikoLarstiQ, I am stuck testing it, but I have it working 100%04:12
LarstiQkiko: can I help get you unstuck?04:13
kikoLarstiQ, hmm, let me look at the branch again this afternoon04:13
LarstiQk04:14
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stubkiko-fud: no reason apart from people cribbing from code that didn't use it.04:46
kiko-fudheh04:46
kiko-fudstub, ok.04:46
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flacostekiko-fud, stub: can I use OUTER JOIN using SQLObject.select()?04:58
salgadoflacoste, AFAIK, only if you do something .select("id in (... OUTER JOIN ...)"), which is not what you seem to want05:04
flacostesalgado: well, that could work05:05
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MagicFabThe importance status of upstream-reported bugs does not seem to be updated although it is set upstream - where should I look for an existing bug report fot his or to report it 05:08
MagicFabExample: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-panel/+bug/5403405:08
UbugtuMalone bug 54034 in xfce4-panel "XFCE Kiosk Mode Broken" [Unknown,Fix released]  05:08
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flacostekiko-fud, matsubara-lunch: when you come back from lunch, can one of you run the following query on staging and report the runtime?05:32
flacostekiko-fud, matsubara-lunch: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/file5SKxZ3.html05:33
salgadoflacoste, I can do that for you05:35
flacostesalgado: you can! awesome!05:35
salgadoflacoste, https://devpad.canonical.com/~salgado/flacoste.txt05:36
flacostesalgado: thanks!05:37
salgadoflacoste, you're welcome. :)05:37
salgadoflacoste, btw, how's the baby?05:38
flacostesalgado: he's really fine, complain a lot when he's hungry,  and a little when he's tired, but other than that he's really charming05:39
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flacostesalgado: bunch of pictures available at http://www.contre.com/albums/Jules_Ulysse_Dumoulin05:40
salgadoheh. I guess that's expected05:40
salgadoah, nice05:40
MagicFabThe importance status of upstream-reported bugs does not seem to be updated although it is set upstream - where should I look for an existing bug report fot his or to report it 05:45
MagicFabExample: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-panel/+bug/5403405:45
UbugtuMalone bug 54034 in xfce4-panel "XFCE Kiosk Mode Broken" [Unknown,Fix released]  05:45
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somerville32kiko, :)05:49
somerville32kiko: Can we add Xubuntu to the the mirror prober?05:50
somerville32MagicFab: How long has the bug watch been there?05:51
kikosomerville32, nope, the prober isn't available to other distros at this time.05:51
kikoMagicFab, I think it's a bug in the importance mapping code.05:51
somerville32kiko: But Xubuntu isn't just another distro - It is Xubuntu! :(05:54
kikosomerville32, indeed it is!05:54
MagicFabsomerville32, the bug is > 6 mo. old05:54
somerville32kiko: But we got semi-quasi official support from Canonical - unlike other distros.05:55
MagicFabsomerville32, actually, no official support from Canonical for Xubuntu05:55
MagicFabI mean " commercial, paid "  support. 05:55
somerville32MagicFab: I'm not talking about that kind of support.05:56
somerville32No they don't sell support for it05:56
somerville32But we are supported by Canonical05:56
MagicFaband I mean " official "  as in " does not exclude ' best effort'  "  ;)05:56
somerville32They already do everything else for us, why not monitor our mirrors?05:56
MagicFabsomerville32, just clarifying05:56
MagicFabsomerville32, I can' t answer that / would need to know what " monitor our mirrors "  means :)05:57
somerville32They have a mirror prober then does magic things with the mirrors05:57
salgadosomerville32, that's not a trivial thing to do. the mirror prober depends on the publication records that are created when launchpad process the uploaded packages05:57
somerville32salgado: All our packages are in main05:57
somerville32So it shouldn't be a problem (?)05:58
salgadosomerville32, ah, so you're talking only about release mirrors (the ones that contain the released cd images)?05:59
somerville32Yes. Our archives are the exact same as Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Edubuntu's.06:00
salgadosomerville32, then you just need to get the xubuntu images on releases.ubuntu.com06:02
somerville32They already are06:02
salgadoare they?06:02
somerville32Yes, very much so :)06:02
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ZnarlXubuntu images are on cdimage, not releases.ubuntu.com06:02
salgadoah, right06:03
somerville32right06:03
somerville32Znarl: Is there anyway to get Xubuntu on releases.ubuntu.com as well?06:04
Znarlsomerville32 : I am not the right peron to answer that, I'll try to find out about it.06:06
somerville32Znarl, k, thanks06:06
somerville32salgado, So do we need it on releases.u.c or is cdimages.u.c fine?06:07
salgadosomerville32, releases.u.c06:13
Znarlsomerville32 : Can I suggest you join #ubuntu-devel and ask there about Xubuntu on releases.ubuntu.com?06:16
somerville32salgado, [13:22]  <cjwatson> somerville32: link added06:22
Znarlsomerville32 : I think cjwatson is talking about a URL link pointing to Xubntu on http://releases.ubuntu.com/, not a link to help with launchpad.06:24
somerville32oh06:25
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somerville32[13:26]  <cjwatson> erm, that will have to be resolved some other way - releases.u.c has a lot of mirrors with disk space constraints and I can't just arbitrarily add another flavour to it06:28
somerville32[13:26]  <somerville32> cjwatson, Who should I chat with?06:28
somerville32[13:27]  <cjwatson> somebody on #launchpad, maybe salgado06:28
flacosteSteveA: i'm ready for the call when you are06:30
SteveAflacoste: 06:31
SteveAflacoste: I just tried calling using skype06:32
flacosteSteveA: indeed, everything froze for 15 seconds06:32
flacosteSteveA: I'll try calling you06:32
UbugtuNew bug: #80278 in rosetta "Selecting an alternative language loses any translation unsaved" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8027806:45
somerville32salgado, kiko: ping: ^^06:49
flacostekiko: ping06:50
kikoyes?06:50
somerville32kiko: cjwatson says that you guys need to put Xubuntu on releases.u.c06:58
kikosomerville32, there are a few confusions going on it seems. first, Launchpad as best as I know doesn't manage releases.ubuntu.com. second, this does not necessarily have to do with mirrors or mirror probing. third, I am not sure exactly what you are looking for :-)07:00
somerville32salgado said that it is required and if we could get it on releases.ubuntu.com that we could setup the mirror prober for Xubuntu07:00
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elmothere's a lot of confusion going on07:04
elmosomerville32: releases.ubuntu.com is not going to contain xubuntu anytime soon - as colin already explained to you, it would need to be officially supported for it to be on there, and AFAICS that's not on anyone's roadmap anytime soon07:05
elmosomerville32: if your goal here is to have mirror probing for launchpad, then ask for that and stop focusing on releases.ubuntu.com07:05
somerville32That is my goal but salgado said that it must be on releases.ubuntu.com07:05
elmothat's not strictly true07:06
somerville32If it is not required, then yes, I would like to have mirror probing.07:06
elmoright now the mirror prober supports probing two types of mirror: archive and releases07:06
salgadoas of now, it's required07:06
salgadowe don't have plans to support probing cdimage mirrors (cdimage.u.c), so if somerville32 could get xubuntu into releases.u.c that'd automatically give us probing of xubuntu mirrors07:07
elmosalgado: that's not remotely viable07:08
somerville32elmo: Who would I have to talk to to see about getting Xubuntu "official status" like Kubuntu and Edubuntu?07:08
salgadothen we have to consider probing cdimage mirrors07:08
elmoa) xubuntu isn't officially supported (and all of releases.ubuntu.com is), b) releases.ubuntu.com has space restraints that are already being pushed07:08
elmosomerville32: if your only goal here is getting mirror probes happening, official support is completely tangential07:10
UbugtuNew bug: #80283 in rosetta "Add a template for gnunet and gnunet-gtk" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8028307:10
elmosomerville32: official support involves a large finacial commitment from Canonical - if you're going after that "because it gets you mirror probing" you're doomed from the get go07:11
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somerville32elmo: I too would hope that I would have a better reason then that07:12
elmobut as to who you would talk to, I don't know honestly know sorry.  I guess you could start with Matt Zimmerman07:14
somerville32Thanks :) 07:15
matsubaracarlos: re: the just reported bug ^. gnunet and gnunet-gtk are both universe packages, but it seems the upstream developer wants to adopt rosetta as the main translation tool. How do we handle cases like that?07:15
somerville32salgado, How much time would be required to support proving cdimages mirrors?07:15
somerville32*probing07:16
matsubaracarlos: I was about to answer that report with my canned "sorry, rosetta does not support universe packages yet" response, but perhaps it's better if you comment on it.07:17
carlosmatsubara: well, the solution is easy, import it as a product not in Ubuntu07:17
carlosmatsubara: anyway, I will answer it07:17
matsubarathanks carlos 07:19
carlosmatsubara: in fact, they are requesting for such import 07:19
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salgadosomerville32, we don't have any concrete plans for doing that, so I can't tell you how long it would take07:26
matsubaracarlos: yeah, you're right, misread it. I thought they're requesting the templates for the ubuntu package.07:28
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carlossee you!08:12
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mptGoooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!08:29
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kikohey emptee08:44
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mpthi keekoe08:57
salgadompt!08:57
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salgadompt, I had to do a small change on that email template you wrote to me yesterday, so that I can send it to team owners to talk about their teams08:58
salgadompt, I changed the middle paragraph to https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/filevoou0L.html, so that it doesn't refer to "you"09:00
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mptsalgado, sorry, what was that link?09:08
salgadompt, https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/filevoou0L.html09:09
kikompt, remember back in the day when your IRC client used to highlight for empty words?09:11
mptsalgado, I can't remember anything different between that and what I suggested09:14
mptoh, "this membership"?09:14
mptkiko, yes09:14
salgadompt, exactly, the 'this membership' part09:15
mptwhy?09:15
kikompt, otherwise the text needs to vary for team memberships that are for teams versus for people.09:16
kikoand if the text needs to vary the implementation will get /really/ complicated09:16
mptoh, fair enough09:16
mptkiko, I upgraded from ShadowIRC to X-Chat09:16
kikoit's unfortunate but salgado and I couldn't find a way to avoid this nicely09:16
mptonce I figured out how to get X-Chat to append its logs to ShadowIRC's09:16
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mptso no more false positives09:17
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kikompt, they were fun though.09:25
mptThey were scrumptious.09:28
UbugtuNew bug: #80309 in launchpad "Don't claim that non-LP distributions have no releases" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8030909:30
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UbugtuNew bug: #80311 in launchpad "Remove wrong package search for non-LP distributions" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8031109:35
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kikoI wish we didn't have to file those bugs :-(09:36
mptYou wish that Fedora used Launchpad? :-)09:38
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kikoI wish we better handled non-LP distros.09:39
mptJust by those bugs being fixed? Or do you have something grander in mind?09:40
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UbugtuNew bug: #80315 in soyuz "Don't make claims about builds for non-LP distributions" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8031509:45
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j-a-meinelWhen registering a bugfix branch and linking it to the bug, does it send an email saying that there was an update on the bug?10:12
j-a-meinelSpecifically, if you use something like: https://launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/55951/+addbranch10:12
UbugtuMalone bug 55951 in bzr "error when trying to get branch status" [Medium,Confirmed]  10:13
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UbugtuNew bug: #80336 in malone "Clarify meaning of bug listings for products/distributions that don't use Launchpad" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8033610:50
UbugtuNew bug: #80340 in launchpad-support-tracker "Need ability to search all questions ever asked" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8034011:05
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