| somerville32 | You create the scalable svg first | 12:18 |
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| somerville32 | He pushed the pixels to make those two, lol | 12:18 |
| coreyt | *considers hacking old directTivo* | 12:25 |
| coreyt | *boggles* Segate releases 2.5 inch 15k RPM drive. *drools* | 12:35 |
| tonyyarusso | 15k? | 12:36 |
| somerville32 | popey, <TheSheep> http://sheep.art.pl/misc/screencast.svg <-- that's the best I can make fast | 12:40 |
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| somerville32 | and matching http://sheep.art.pl/misc/screencast3.png | 12:43 |
| coreyt | Can you stitch a ubuntu logo in the bigger screen? http://www.ubuntutips.org/favicon.ico | 12:45 |
| popey | is the brown in those logos too dark? somerville32 | 12:55 |
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| popey | or does it match the ubuntu colours nicely | 12:56 |
| popey | discuss :) | 12:56 |
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| somerville32 | popey, Not if it is tango | 01:04 |
| somerville32 | Tango has it's own palette | 01:05 |
| popey | nice | 01:06 |
| mpt | popey, yes, too dark | 01:18 |
| mpt | (at least, I had to squint:-) | 01:18 |
| mpt | nixternal, http://www.google.com/search?q=%22sic+*+dogs%22 | 01:19 |
| nixternal | hehe | 01:31 |
| nixternal | Sic'em Dogs | 01:31 |
| nixternal | hrmm, virtual-box didn't like my computer for some odd reason | 01:32 |
| mdke | mpt: if you do some more spec-hacking, go into "convincing mode", I reckon we should try and get approval soon-ish | 01:41 |
| mdke | mpt: also, if you have some more ideas on ImprovingWebsiteStructure, in the next few days is a good time :) | 01:42 |
| mdke | *hugs* | 01:42 |
| === mdke hugs * | ||
| mpt | ooh | 01:44 |
| === mpt is oohing at the spec, not necessarily the hugs | ||
| === mpt hugs * anyway | ||
| mpt | err | 01:45 |
| mpt | mdke, where is ImprovingWebsiteStructure? | 01:45 |
| mpt | oh, ImproveWebsiteStructure | 01:45 |
| mdke | (keeping you on your toes) | 01:46 |
| mdke | sorry | 01:46 |
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| MagicFab_ | hi - I'd like to know why there isn't or where is the Installation Guide for Ubuntu 6.06 ? | 02:08 |
| LaserJock | MagicFab_: should be in the installer | 02:09 |
| LaserJock | we have maintained an installation guide since Breezy, I think | 02:10 |
| MagicFab_ | LaserJock, I mean, at h.u.c | 02:10 |
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| MagicFab | sorry | 02:10 |
| LaserJock | MagicFab: because we don't have the doc | 02:10 |
| MagicFab | LaserJock, there wasn't an installation guide before edgy, right ? | 02:11 |
| LaserJock | there is | 02:11 |
| mpt | Danger, danger, Web site structure reflecting organizational details alert! | 02:11 |
| LaserJock | but it's maintained by the installer devs | 02:11 |
| MagicFab | LaserJock, do u have an URL ? | 02:12 |
| LaserJock | I don't think there is one | 02:12 |
| LaserJock | as far as I know it's not online, but I could be wrong of course | 02:12 |
| LaserJock | but I do know that the doc team isn't maintaining one since at least dapper | 02:12 |
| LaserJock | because the install devs (Colin mostly) took over that | 02:13 |
| MagicFab | When comparing https://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/ and https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ , the nice installation guide for 6.10 is not in 6.06. So who did the one for 6.10 ? | 02:15 |
| MagicFab | Looking at the credits, it seems it's an adaptation of several sources, for Ubuntu. But no mention on who adapted it. | 02:15 |
| MagicFab | You say Colin Watson ? anyone else ? | 02:16 |
| LaserJock | you'll have to ask mdke | 02:16 |
| LaserJock | I really don't know how the 6.10 one got there | 02:17 |
| MagicFab | LaserJock, ok, tx. for the hints - appreciated. It seems weird the "Long term support" version of Ubuntu does not have a propoer installation guide... | 02:17 |
| MagicFab | but I see the reasons | 02:18 |
| LaserJock | well, I know at least the Desktop CD doesn't | 02:18 |
| LaserJock | now that Alternate CD installation guide on 6.10 looks like a Ubuntuized debian installer guide | 02:19 |
| MagicFab | that's because it is :) | 02:19 |
| MagicFab | tx | 02:20 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Documentation Team http://doc.ubuntu.com or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam | Get involved! http://www.mdke.org/?p=67 | backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | SVN - https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos | Please observe the Ubuntu CoC @ http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct | Next meeting: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda | ||
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| Madpilot | Our spammer is back - Kypir just dumped a whole bunch of porn spam on huc/c | 08:26 |
| tonyyarusso | geez | 08:29 |
| Madpilot | asking on #launchpad now about getting the idiot's LP account yanked | 08:29 |
| tonyyarusso | good | 08:31 |
| tonyyarusso | See if they can ban creation of another with the same e-mail while you're at it | 08:31 |
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| Madpilot | tonyyarusso, found an LP admin in #launchpad, idiot's account now disabled | 08:46 |
| === tonyyarusso nods | ||
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| mdke | Madpilot: I opened a support ticket on launchpad but haven't had any response. | 09:44 |
| Madpilot | mdke, this one's been dealt with, at least | 09:45 |
| mdke | Madpilot: the account has been disabled? | 09:46 |
| Madpilot | yes | 09:46 |
| mdke | good | 09:46 |
| Madpilot | one of the LP admins was in #launchpad | 09:46 |
| mdke | I see it now | 09:48 |
| mdke | nice one | 09:48 |
| tonyyarusso | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion claims FF2 was backported to Dapper, but that seems untrue. Clarification? | 09:48 |
| mdke | tonyyarusso: all security updates are included with Ubuntu | 09:51 |
| tonyyarusso | mdke: So why does packages.ubuntu.com have no knowledge of it? | 09:52 |
| mdke | tonyyarusso: because the version number doesn't get bumped up to 2 when you add security updates to 1.5 | 09:52 |
| tonyyarusso | Oh wait, it's in dapper-security | 09:52 |
| mdke | oh hang on, that page says it was added to dapper-backports | 09:52 |
| tonyyarusso | :S | 09:52 |
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| tonyyarusso | something's fishy... | 09:53 |
| mdke | maybe packages.u.c is out of date | 09:55 |
| tonyyarusso | perhaps? | 09:55 |
| tonyyarusso | Any way to poke around more manually? | 09:55 |
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| mpt | Uh oh, it's another Matthew | 10:20 |
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| tonyyarusso | aaaaaah | 10:23 |
| tonyyarusso | I'm going to start making up names for you people. | 10:23 |
| tonyyarusso | MatthewV: You are henceforth James. | 10:24 |
| MatthewV | tonyyarusso, uh, thanks | 10:24 |
| tonyyarusso | MatthewV: Any time :) | 10:24 |
| MatthewV | tonyyarusso, how many matthew's are there? | 10:24 |
| tonyyarusso | MatthewV: At least, um, 7? | 10:25 |
| MatthewV | there's me, and mdke , and i'm assuming that mpt is.. | 10:25 |
| tonyyarusso | There are too many Cor(e)ys too | 10:25 |
| mpt | Welcome MatthewV | 10:26 |
| mpt | There are also newz2000, and mdz, and others who have slipped my mind momentarily | 10:27 |
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| mpt | oh yes, matthewrevell | 10:27 |
| tonyyarusso | right | 10:27 |
| MatthewV | thanks mpt | 10:28 |
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| coreyt | crud | 12:34 |
| coreyt | flipping snowing outside | 12:34 |
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| coreyt | Flash 9 for Linux went Gold Today. | 01:11 |
| coreyt | http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash | 01:11 |
| crimsun | thanks, on it | 01:11 |
| coreyt | installer works | 01:15 |
| crimsun | I presumed that :) | 01:15 |
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| crimsun | flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.31~ubuntu1_source.changes: done. | 01:37 |
| crimsun | Successfully uploaded packages. | 01:37 |
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| linuxphotogeek | popey: morning here! | 03:48 |
| jsgotangco | hi | 03:53 |
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| popey | lionel: :) | 04:07 |
| popey | er, oops | 04:07 |
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| mdke | mpt: poor old Garrett doesn't get a mention | 07:30 |
| Laser_away | morning mdke | 07:31 |
| mdke | morning Laser_away | 07:31 |
| mdke | or indeed, more correctly, evening | 07:31 |
| Laser_away | heh, 10:30am for me | 07:32 |
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| jenda | 11111 Ubuntu users counted! http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/ | 08:04 |
| mdke | what was the outcome of the binary drivers by default outcry? Are we still installing em? | 08:17 |
| === mpt wonders if there was an outcry when every Linux distribution was bundled with Netscape 4 | ||
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| fergus | hey all | 08:38 |
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| nixternal | mpt: i don't remember an outcry at all, but still a very good point | 08:42 |
| nixternal | man, I remember the Netscape days like it was just yesterday | 08:42 |
| mdke | anyone know the answer? | 08:47 |
| nixternal | mdke: i swore i read they weren't going through with it as default because beryl/compiz wasn't going to be ready | 08:48 |
| mdke | hmm | 08:48 |
| nixternal | now where i read that, heard that, or dreampt that, i couldn't tell you | 08:49 |
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| fergus | hello | 09:01 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: you'd have to look at the spec, but I think the distro sprint will decide it | 09:23 |
| Burgwork | mdke: afaik, no decision yet | 09:26 |
| Burgwork | we don't even have the latest compiz for testing and nobody seems to care | 09:27 |
| mdke | ok thanks LaserJock / Burgwork | 09:28 |
| mdke | we'll leave the docs for now then | 09:28 |
| mdke | Burgwork: I read about the compositor for metacity on p.g.o today, is that any good? is it in feisty? | 09:28 |
| Burgwork | not yet and sort of | 09:29 |
| Burgwork | reverse that | 09:29 |
| === mdke tries it | ||
| mdke | it doesn't do anything! | 09:30 |
| popey | moo | 09:43 |
| mdke | moo indeed | 09:45 |
| popey | hope michael / ubuntuclips can come up with a nice how-to for .movs | 10:02 |
| popey | neither of the procedures on the help page work | 10:02 |
| === mdke slaps a wishlist label on .movs | ||
| popey | heh | 10:03 |
| popey | well, ubuntuclips do avi, ogg and mov | 10:03 |
| popey | not specifically for ipods | 10:03 |
| mdke | nod | 10:03 |
| LaserJock | mdke: question for you. how easy would it be to insert "topics" into the new help system? | 10:24 |
| mdke | LaserJock: very. But we're limiting the number of topics that appear on the front page to those which are really appropriate. What did you have in mind? | 10:25 |
| LaserJock | mdke: Edubuntu | 10:25 |
| LaserJock | we'd like to sort of "add-on" to ubuntu-docs | 10:25 |
| LaserJock | and insert Edubuntu topics | 10:25 |
| mdke | LaserJock: ah. well I suppose that removing some would be appropriate too. Lemme think quickly | 10:25 |
| LaserJock | I don't think we necessarily need to remove stuff | 10:26 |
| mdke | yes, I think it would be easy | 10:26 |
| LaserJock | if it's a big deal | 10:26 |
| mdke | edubuntu-docs should depend on ubuntu-docs, obviously | 10:26 |
| LaserJock | yep | 10:26 |
| mdke | and we'd need to ensure the edubuntu docs appear in our custom yelp patch, when it's done | 10:26 |
| mdke | that should be fine too | 10:26 |
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| LaserJock | what about the about ubuntu topic, can that be replaced? | 10:27 |
| mdke | LaserJock: erm. hmm. | 10:28 |
| mdke | not sure | 10:29 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I wonder if it would be better for Edubuntu to just keep a copy of Ubuntu's topics and just have our seperate package | 10:30 |
| willvdl | with profiling it could work? | 10:30 |
| mdke | LaserJock: what do you mean? | 10:31 |
| mdke | willvdl: maybe | 10:31 |
| LaserJock | I'm saying | 10:32 |
| LaserJock | if in edubuntu/ | 10:32 |
| LaserJock | we keep a copy of the ubuntu "topics" but take out ones we don't want | 10:32 |
| LaserJock | and add in ours | 10:32 |
| mdke | and conflict on ubuntu-docs? | 10:32 |
| LaserJock | and then create a standalone edubuntu-docs package | 10:32 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 10:33 |
| LaserJock | because I can see that it could make packaging interesting as well | 10:33 |
| mdke | You'd still need to install them in /usr/share/ubuntu-docs though | 10:33 |
| LaserJock | why? | 10:33 |
| LaserJock | is stuff hard-coded? | 10:34 |
| mdke | oh no, if you amended the omf files that would be ok | 10:35 |
| mdke | but you have to leave the series-id in the omf files | 10:35 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I was thinking I could have an edubuntuize script | 10:35 |
| LaserJock | does the yelp frontpage come from ubuntu-docs or yelp itself | 10:36 |
| mdke | bit of both | 10:36 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 10:36 |
| nixternal | i might be a little afk here the next day or so, my mom is in the hospital with some heart complications. they aren't 100% positive if it was a heart attack or if she has something like pneumonia yet | 10:57 |
| nixternal | it seems when there is heart damage it gives off enzymes, but also there are some illnesses that do the same, so we are very hopeful here | 10:57 |
| mdke | nixternal: best wishes and good luck | 10:58 |
| nixternal | thanks | 10:58 |
| willvdl | nixternal: sorry to hear. all the best | 10:58 |
| nixternal | if one good thing comes out of this, she will quit smoking and starting eating healthy, or i will kill her :) | 10:58 |
| nixternal | s/starting/start | 10:59 |
| nixternal | she is better today, but they are keeping her for some more tests at least until tomorrow | 10:59 |
| nixternal | she is just super tired now, so it gives me some ubuntu time :) | 10:59 |
| nixternal | umm, it seems i missed an edubuntu meeting | 11:02 |
| willvdl | my GF went to sleep an hour ago so I also have ubuntime | 11:02 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 11:02 |
| nixternal | my gf is out of town until sunday, so i am good | 11:02 |
| willvdl | nixternal, still trying to work out what docs go online/packaged in meeting | 11:03 |
| nixternal | and when she comes home, i can't pick her up, i will be at the LUG event :) | 11:03 |
| crimsun | my girlfriend (Ubuntu universe) is vengeful and just can't stop making demands. | 11:03 |
| nixternal | man, is it me or is there a TON of doc work for feisty yet to be done? | 11:03 |
| nixternal | hahaha crimsun | 11:03 |
| nixternal | your a luser | 11:03 |
| nixternal | ;p | 11:03 |
| nixternal | crimsun: i told you that sharing her is a good thing and that you shouldn't try to hog her all to yourself | 11:04 |
| crimsun | well, I'm leaving my girlfriend shortly. | 11:04 |
| crimsun | you guys and gals can have her all to yourself. | 11:04 |
| nixternal | i mean come on, you let LaserJock write stories and manager her, he is like her pimp :) | 11:04 |
| willvdl | for an older women? | 11:04 |
| nixternal | haha | 11:04 |
| tonyyarusso | crimsun: You're dating universe? | 11:05 |
| nixternal | older than universe would be something like unstable or sid :) | 11:05 |
| willvdl | or dos | 11:05 |
| crimsun | heh, sometimes it seems that way | 11:05 |
| crimsun | people always complain about how stuff doesn't get done | 11:05 |
| mdke | crimsun: you're leaving? | 11:06 |
| crimsun | then I look around and discover I'm just about the only one actually getting stuff done | 11:06 |
| willvdl | crimsun, you got my sound working. you're a hero :) | 11:07 |
| nixternal | haha | 11:07 |
| mpt | crimsun gets sound working? | 11:07 |
| mpt | Sound isn't working on my machine ... | 11:08 |
| nixternal | crimsun gets everything working | 11:08 |
| nixternal | oh no mpt | 11:08 |
| === nixternal ducks | ||
| crimsun | mpt: bug report? | 11:08 |
| mpt | No, it's not reproducible | 11:08 |
| mpt | Sound works for about a month out of every seven or eight months | 11:08 |
| crimsun | but you didn't file a bug report? | 11:09 |
| mpt | No, because it's not reproducible | 11:09 |
| mpt | well, I suppose "I have no sound" is reproducible, but "Sound stops working when X" isn't, because I don't know what X is | 11:09 |
| willvdl | now I'm jus looking for a new bitch to get my laptop power management to suspend | 11:09 |
| crimsun | please file one anyway; see my LP page for the link to info I'd appreciate you attaching. | 11:09 |
| mpt | okie dokie | 11:10 |
| mdke | willvdl: there is only one power management bitch | 11:10 |
| willvdl | ogra? | 11:10 |
| mdke | mjg59 | 11:10 |
| crimsun | try another matthew. | 11:10 |
| willvdl | excellent. he will rue the day my laptop booted for the first time | 11:11 |
| mpt | ogra isn't a matthew | 11:11 |
| mpt | at least, not yet | 11:11 |
| willvdl | ogra, does gnome-power-manager | 11:11 |
| willvdl | he looks like a matthew | 11:11 |
| === mpt rues the day he confused cjwatson with mjg59 | ||
| mdke | oof! | 11:11 |
| willvdl | full name? | 11:12 |
| mdke | willvdl: he won't rue it, he probably already knows how to do it | 11:12 |
| mdke | willvdl: Matthew Garrett | 11:12 |
| willvdl | ah | 11:12 |
| dsas | willvdl: He's in Australia fixing laptops at the minute though... | 11:12 |
| mdke | likely he has the model is his house :D | 11:12 |
| mpt | crimsun, that's a very nifty summary, perhaps it should be on the wiki somewhere | 11:13 |
| willvdl | hmm, maybe he can pop round sunny south africa on his way home | 11:13 |
| willvdl | I'll make him some weak tea | 11:13 |
| mpt | crimsun, and w.r.t. (2), how do I know what my "preferred audio device" is? | 11:13 |
| willvdl | the one you prefer sound coming out of? | 11:13 |
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| willvdl | ciao all | 11:14 |
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| crimsun | mpt: it's the top one listed unless you have a different one listed in step (5) | 11:16 |
| crimsun | mpt: sorry, the top one from step (4) | 11:16 |
| mpt | ok, ta | 11:18 |
| crimsun | mpt: you're not expected to know that last bit; I'll get all that info when a bug report includes all info requested in those steps | 11:18 |
| mpt | What package should I specify? | 11:18 |
| crimsun | linux-source-$(uname -r|awk -F- '{ print $1 }') | 11:20 |
| crimsun | dapper -> linux-source-2.6.15, edgy -> linux-source-2.6.17, feisty -> linux-source-2.6.20 | 11:20 |
| mpt | No wonder I can never remember how to use awk | 11:23 |
| mpt | crimsun, assembling bug 80344 | 11:24 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 80344 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Sound works only a few weeks per year" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80344 | 11:24 |
| crimsun | thanks. | 11:24 |
| crimsun | mpt: we can migrate to #ubuntu and troubleshoot now if you have the time | 11:25 |
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| mdke | gah | 11:41 |
| nixternal | is that a good gah or a bad gah? | 11:41 |
| mdke | the openoffice applications have different names between their entries in the applications menu and their actual names | 11:41 |
| mdke | Openoffice Presentation - > Openoffice Immpress | 11:41 |
| nixternal | ya, same with Kubuntu | 11:42 |
| mdke | so what do we call them? | 11:42 |
| nixternal | with KMenu they can do Name=OpenOffice.org Impress and Description=OpenOffice Presentation or what not | 11:42 |
| nixternal | mdke: to make it easy, I use what the menu says to try and avoid confusion | 11:42 |
| nixternal | then under that you can let it be known what the actual name is | 11:43 |
| nixternal | i was trying to figure out how to link to OO.o help, but OO.o help is in binary form and uses a setup similar to Microsoft | 11:43 |
| mdke | yes, tricky | 11:44 |
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