[12:18] You create the scalable svg first [12:18] He pushed the pixels to make those two, lol [12:25] *considers hacking old directTivo* [12:35] *boggles* Segate releases 2.5 inch 15k RPM drive. *drools* [12:36] 15k? [12:40] popey, http://sheep.art.pl/misc/screencast.svg <-- that's the best I can make fast === bronson_ [n=bronson@c-24-5-71-119.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:43] and matching http://sheep.art.pl/misc/screencast3.png [12:45] Can you stitch a ubuntu logo in the bigger screen? http://www.ubuntutips.org/favicon.ico [12:55] is the brown in those logos too dark? somerville32 === popey wonders if he is taking the pee [12:56] or does it match the ubuntu colours nicely [12:56] discuss :) === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bronson_ [n=bronson@adsl-75-36-145-166.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:04] popey, Not if it is tango [01:05] Tango has it's own palette [01:06] nice [01:18] popey, yes, too dark [01:18] (at least, I had to squint:-) [01:19] nixternal, http://www.google.com/search?q=%22sic+*+dogs%22 [01:31] hehe [01:31] Sic'em Dogs [01:32] hrmm, virtual-box didn't like my computer for some odd reason [01:41] mpt: if you do some more spec-hacking, go into "convincing mode", I reckon we should try and get approval soon-ish [01:42] mpt: also, if you have some more ideas on ImprovingWebsiteStructure, in the next few days is a good time :) [01:42] *hugs* === mdke hugs * [01:44] ooh === mpt is oohing at the spec, not necessarily the hugs === mpt hugs * anyway [01:45] err [01:45] mdke, where is ImprovingWebsiteStructure? [01:45] oh, ImproveWebsiteStructure [01:46] (keeping you on your toes) [01:46] sorry === mdke beds === MagicFab_ [n=magicfab@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:08] hi - I'd like to know why there isn't or where is the Installation Guide for Ubuntu 6.06 ? [02:09] MagicFab_: should be in the installer [02:10] we have maintained an installation guide since Breezy, I think [02:10] LaserJock, I mean, at h.u.c === MagicFab [n=magicfab@ubuntu/member/magicfab] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:10] sorry [02:10] MagicFab: because we don't have the doc [02:11] LaserJock, there wasn't an installation guide before edgy, right ? [02:11] there is [02:11] Danger, danger, Web site structure reflecting organizational details alert! [02:11] but it's maintained by the installer devs [02:12] LaserJock, do u have an URL ? [02:12] I don't think there is one [02:12] as far as I know it's not online, but I could be wrong of course [02:12] but I do know that the doc team isn't maintaining one since at least dapper [02:13] because the install devs (Colin mostly) took over that [02:15] When comparing https://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/ and https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ , the nice installation guide for 6.10 is not in 6.06. So who did the one for 6.10 ? [02:15] Looking at the credits, it seems it's an adaptation of several sources, for Ubuntu. But no mention on who adapted it. [02:16] You say Colin Watson ? anyone else ? [02:16] you'll have to ask mdke [02:17] I really don't know how the 6.10 one got there [02:17] LaserJock, ok, tx. for the hints - appreciated. It seems weird the "Long term support" version of Ubuntu does not have a propoer installation guide... [02:18] but I see the reasons [02:18] well, I know at least the Desktop CD doesn't [02:19] now that Alternate CD installation guide on 6.10 looks like a Ubuntuized debian installer guide [02:19] that's because it is :) [02:20] tx === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-doc.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Documentation Team http://doc.ubuntu.com or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam | Get involved! http://www.mdke.org/?p=67 | backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | SVN - https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos | Please observe the Ubuntu CoC @ http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct | Next meeting: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by crimsun at Sat Dec 30 01:13:50 2006 === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-doc.log === xipietotec [n=jackfros@194.115.109.66.static.dis.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:26] Our spammer is back - Kypir just dumped a whole bunch of porn spam on huc/c [08:29] geez [08:29] asking on #launchpad now about getting the idiot's LP account yanked [08:31] good [08:31] See if they can ban creation of another with the same e-mail while you're at it === bronson_ [n=bronson@adsl-75-36-145-166.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:46] tonyyarusso, found an LP admin in #launchpad, idiot's account now disabled === tonyyarusso nods === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-135-240.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt gets lost in the Ubuntu Web sites [09:44] Madpilot: I opened a support ticket on launchpad but haven't had any response. [09:45] mdke, this one's been dealt with, at least [09:46] Madpilot: the account has been disabled? [09:46] yes [09:46] good [09:46] one of the LP admins was in #launchpad [09:48] I see it now [09:48] nice one [09:48] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion claims FF2 was backported to Dapper, but that seems untrue. Clarification? [09:51] tonyyarusso: all security updates are included with Ubuntu [09:52] mdke: So why does packages.ubuntu.com have no knowledge of it? [09:52] tonyyarusso: because the version number doesn't get bumped up to 2 when you add security updates to 1.5 [09:52] Oh wait, it's in dapper-security [09:52] oh hang on, that page says it was added to dapper-backports [09:52] :S === mdke shrugs [09:53] something's fishy... [09:55] maybe packages.u.c is out of date [09:55] perhaps? [09:55] Any way to poke around more manually? === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.115.190] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:20] Uh oh, it's another Matthew === tyabux [n=joerlend@237-191.dsl.freewave.no] has joined #Ubuntu-doc [10:23] aaaaaah [10:23] I'm going to start making up names for you people. [10:24] MatthewV: You are henceforth James. [10:24] tonyyarusso, uh, thanks [10:24] MatthewV: Any time :) [10:24] tonyyarusso, how many matthew's are there? [10:25] MatthewV: At least, um, 7? [10:25] there's me, and mdke , and i'm assuming that mpt is.. [10:25] There are too many Cor(e)ys too [10:26] Welcome MatthewV [10:27] There are also newz2000, and mdz, and others who have slipped my mind momentarily === xipietotec [n=jackfros@194.115.109.66.static.dis.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:27] oh yes, matthewrevell [10:27] right [10:28] thanks mpt === siccness [n=siccness@CPE-124-191-214-110.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.133.240] has joined #ubuntu-doc === siccness [n=siccness@CPE-124-191-214-110.vic.bigpond.net.au] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@mail.foredil.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.133.240] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=olim@mail.foredil.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:34] crud [12:34] flipping snowing outside === willvdl [n=will@196.207.32.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === xipietotec [n=jackfros@194.115.109.66.static.dis.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:11] Flash 9 for Linux went Gold Today. [01:11] http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash [01:11] thanks, on it [01:15] installer works [01:15] I presumed that :) === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.133.240] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:37] flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.31~ubuntu1_source.changes: done. [01:37] Successfully uploaded packages. === Gwaihir [n=olim@mail.foredil.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@cpc3-stok6-0-0-cust253.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === linuxphotogeek [n=zen_love@wt1.core.wireless.fsr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:48] popey: morning here! [03:53] hi === linuxphotogeek heads off to work. [04:07] lionel: :) [04:07] er, oops === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === willvdl [n=will@196.207.32.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-104-101.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === willvdl [n=will@196.207.32.235] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-104-101.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@cpc3-stok6-0-0-cust253.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru_ [n=poningru@n128-227-104-101.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru_ [n=poningru@n128-227-104-101.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-62-245-160-173.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc === david_corrales [n=david@ip247-10.ct.co.cr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === motin [n=motin@c80-217-109-98.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:30] mpt: poor old Garrett doesn't get a mention [07:31] morning mdke [07:31] morning Laser_away [07:31] or indeed, more correctly, evening [07:32] heh, 10:30am for me === david_corrales [n=david@ip247-10.ct.co.cr] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Ex-Chat"] === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === n1c0las [n=nicolas@a82-95-253-226.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:04] 11111 Ubuntu users counted! http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/ [08:17] what was the outcome of the binary drivers by default outcry? Are we still installing em? === mpt wonders if there was an outcry when every Linux distribution was bundled with Netscape 4 === willvdl [n=will@196.207.32.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === fergus [n=fergus@82-69-1-224.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:38] hey all === fergus [n=fergus@82-69-1-224.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] [08:42] mpt: i don't remember an outcry at all, but still a very good point [08:42] man, I remember the Netscape days like it was just yesterday [08:47] anyone know the answer? [08:48] mdke: i swore i read they weren't going through with it as default because beryl/compiz wasn't going to be ready [08:48] hmm [08:49] now where i read that, heard that, or dreampt that, i couldn't tell you === fergus [n=fergus@82-69-1-224.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:01] hello === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ppp-162-75.25-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-135-240.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.134.167] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:23] mdke: you'd have to look at the spec, but I think the distro sprint will decide it [09:26] mdke: afaik, no decision yet [09:27] we don't even have the latest compiz for testing and nobody seems to care [09:28] ok thanks LaserJock / Burgwork [09:28] we'll leave the docs for now then [09:28] Burgwork: I read about the compositor for metacity on p.g.o today, is that any good? is it in feisty? [09:29] not yet and sort of [09:29] reverse that === mdke tries it [09:30] it doesn't do anything! [09:43] moo [09:45] moo indeed [10:02] hope michael / ubuntuclips can come up with a nice how-to for .movs [10:02] neither of the procedures on the help page work === mdke slaps a wishlist label on .movs [10:03] heh [10:03] well, ubuntuclips do avi, ogg and mov [10:03] not specifically for ipods [10:03] nod [10:24] mdke: question for you. how easy would it be to insert "topics" into the new help system? [10:25] LaserJock: very. But we're limiting the number of topics that appear on the front page to those which are really appropriate. What did you have in mind? [10:25] mdke: Edubuntu [10:25] we'd like to sort of "add-on" to ubuntu-docs [10:25] and insert Edubuntu topics [10:25] LaserJock: ah. well I suppose that removing some would be appropriate too. Lemme think quickly [10:26] I don't think we necessarily need to remove stuff [10:26] yes, I think it would be easy [10:26] if it's a big deal [10:26] edubuntu-docs should depend on ubuntu-docs, obviously [10:26] yep [10:26] and we'd need to ensure the edubuntu docs appear in our custom yelp patch, when it's done [10:26] that should be fine too === linuxphotogeek [n=will@fw-dcise.ascensionhealth.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:27] what about the about ubuntu topic, can that be replaced? [10:28] LaserJock: erm. hmm. [10:29] not sure [10:30] hmm, I wonder if it would be better for Edubuntu to just keep a copy of Ubuntu's topics and just have our seperate package [10:30] with profiling it could work? [10:31] LaserJock: what do you mean? [10:31] willvdl: maybe [10:32] I'm saying [10:32] if in edubuntu/ [10:32] we keep a copy of the ubuntu "topics" but take out ones we don't want [10:32] and add in ours [10:32] and conflict on ubuntu-docs? [10:32] and then create a standalone edubuntu-docs package [10:33] yeah [10:33] because I can see that it could make packaging interesting as well [10:33] You'd still need to install them in /usr/share/ubuntu-docs though [10:33] why? [10:34] is stuff hard-coded? [10:35] oh no, if you amended the omf files that would be ok [10:35] but you have to leave the series-id in the omf files [10:35] yeah, I was thinking I could have an edubuntuize script [10:36] does the yelp frontpage come from ubuntu-docs or yelp itself [10:36] bit of both [10:36] :-) [10:57] i might be a little afk here the next day or so, my mom is in the hospital with some heart complications. they aren't 100% positive if it was a heart attack or if she has something like pneumonia yet [10:57] it seems when there is heart damage it gives off enzymes, but also there are some illnesses that do the same, so we are very hopeful here [10:58] nixternal: best wishes and good luck [10:58] thanks [10:58] nixternal: sorry to hear. all the best [10:58] if one good thing comes out of this, she will quit smoking and starting eating healthy, or i will kill her :) [10:59] s/starting/start [10:59] she is better today, but they are keeping her for some more tests at least until tomorrow [10:59] she is just super tired now, so it gives me some ubuntu time :) [11:02] umm, it seems i missed an edubuntu meeting [11:02] my GF went to sleep an hour ago so I also have ubuntime [11:02] hahaha [11:02] my gf is out of town until sunday, so i am good [11:03] nixternal, still trying to work out what docs go online/packaged in meeting [11:03] and when she comes home, i can't pick her up, i will be at the LUG event :) [11:03] my girlfriend (Ubuntu universe) is vengeful and just can't stop making demands. [11:03] man, is it me or is there a TON of doc work for feisty yet to be done? [11:03] hahaha crimsun [11:03] your a luser [11:03] ;p [11:04] crimsun: i told you that sharing her is a good thing and that you shouldn't try to hog her all to yourself [11:04] well, I'm leaving my girlfriend shortly. [11:04] you guys and gals can have her all to yourself. [11:04] i mean come on, you let LaserJock write stories and manager her, he is like her pimp :) [11:04] for an older women? [11:04] haha [11:05] crimsun: You're dating universe? [11:05] older than universe would be something like unstable or sid :) [11:05] or dos [11:05] heh, sometimes it seems that way [11:05] people always complain about how stuff doesn't get done [11:06] crimsun: you're leaving? [11:06] then I look around and discover I'm just about the only one actually getting stuff done [11:07] crimsun, you got my sound working. you're a hero :) [11:07] haha [11:07] crimsun gets sound working? [11:08] Sound isn't working on my machine ... [11:08] crimsun gets everything working [11:08] oh no mpt === nixternal ducks [11:08] mpt: bug report? [11:08] No, it's not reproducible [11:08] Sound works for about a month out of every seven or eight months [11:09] but you didn't file a bug report? [11:09] No, because it's not reproducible [11:09] well, I suppose "I have no sound" is reproducible, but "Sound stops working when X" isn't, because I don't know what X is [11:09] now I'm jus looking for a new bitch to get my laptop power management to suspend [11:09] please file one anyway; see my LP page for the link to info I'd appreciate you attaching. [11:10] okie dokie [11:10] willvdl: there is only one power management bitch [11:10] ogra? [11:10] mjg59 [11:10] try another matthew. [11:11] excellent. he will rue the day my laptop booted for the first time [11:11] ogra isn't a matthew [11:11] at least, not yet [11:11] ogra, does gnome-power-manager [11:11] he looks like a matthew === mpt rues the day he confused cjwatson with mjg59 [11:11] oof! [11:12] full name? [11:12] willvdl: he won't rue it, he probably already knows how to do it [11:12] willvdl: Matthew Garrett [11:12] ah [11:12] willvdl: He's in Australia fixing laptops at the minute though... [11:12] likely he has the model is his house :D [11:13] crimsun, that's a very nifty summary, perhaps it should be on the wiki somewhere [11:13] hmm, maybe he can pop round sunny south africa on his way home [11:13] I'll make him some weak tea [11:13] crimsun, and w.r.t. (2), how do I know what my "preferred audio device" is? [11:13] the one you prefer sound coming out of? === willvdl is getting silly [11:14] ciao all === willvdl [n=will@196.207.32.235] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] [11:16] mpt: it's the top one listed unless you have a different one listed in step (5) [11:16] mpt: sorry, the top one from step (4) [11:18] ok, ta [11:18] mpt: you're not expected to know that last bit; I'll get all that info when a bug report includes all info requested in those steps [11:18] What package should I specify? [11:20] linux-source-$(uname -r|awk -F- '{ print $1 }') [11:20] dapper -> linux-source-2.6.15, edgy -> linux-source-2.6.17, feisty -> linux-source-2.6.20 [11:23] No wonder I can never remember how to use awk [11:24] crimsun, assembling bug 80344 [11:24] Malone bug 80344 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Sound works only a few weeks per year" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80344 [11:24] thanks. [11:25] mpt: we can migrate to #ubuntu and troubleshoot now if you have the time === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:41] gah [11:41] is that a good gah or a bad gah? [11:41] the openoffice applications have different names between their entries in the applications menu and their actual names [11:41] Openoffice Presentation - > Openoffice Immpress [11:42] ya, same with Kubuntu [11:42] so what do we call them? [11:42] with KMenu they can do Name=OpenOffice.org Impress and Description=OpenOffice Presentation or what not [11:42] mdke: to make it easy, I use what the menu says to try and avoid confusion [11:43] then under that you can let it be known what the actual name is [11:43] i was trying to figure out how to link to OO.o help, but OO.o help is in binary form and uses a setup similar to Microsoft [11:44] yes, tricky