[12:18] <somerville32> You create the scalable svg first
[12:18] <somerville32> He pushed the pixels to make those two, lol
[12:25] <coreyt> *considers hacking old directTivo*
[12:35] <coreyt> *boggles* Segate releases 2.5 inch 15k RPM drive.  *drools*
[12:36] <tonyyarusso> 15k?
[12:40] <somerville32> popey, <TheSheep> http://sheep.art.pl/misc/screencast.svg <-- that's the best I can make fast
[12:43] <somerville32> and matching http://sheep.art.pl/misc/screencast3.png
[12:45] <coreyt> Can you stitch a ubuntu logo in the bigger screen?  http://www.ubuntutips.org/favicon.ico
[12:55] <popey> is the brown in those logos too dark? somerville32
[12:56] <popey> or does it match the ubuntu colours nicely
[12:56] <popey> discuss :)
[01:04] <somerville32> popey, Not if it is tango
[01:05] <somerville32> Tango has it's own palette
[01:06] <popey> nice
[01:18] <mpt> popey, yes, too dark
[01:18] <mpt> (at least, I had to squint:-)
[01:19] <mpt> nixternal, http://www.google.com/search?q=%22sic+*+dogs%22
[01:31] <nixternal> hehe
[01:31] <nixternal> Sic'em Dogs
[01:32] <nixternal> hrmm, virtual-box didn't like my computer for some odd reason
[01:41] <mdke> mpt: if you do some more spec-hacking, go into "convincing mode", I reckon we should try and get approval soon-ish
[01:42] <mdke> mpt: also, if you have some more ideas on ImprovingWebsiteStructure, in the next few days is a good time :)
[01:42] <mdke> *hugs*
[01:44] <mpt> ooh
[01:45] <mpt> err
[01:45] <mpt> mdke, where is ImprovingWebsiteStructure?
[01:45] <mpt> oh, ImproveWebsiteStructure
[01:46] <mdke> (keeping you on your toes)
[01:46] <mdke> sorry
[02:08] <MagicFab_> hi - I'd like to know why there isn't or where is the Installation Guide for Ubuntu 6.06 ?
[02:09] <LaserJock> MagicFab_: should be in the installer
[02:10] <LaserJock> we have maintained an installation guide since Breezy, I think
[02:10] <MagicFab_> LaserJock, I mean, at h.u.c
[02:10] <MagicFab> sorry
[02:10] <LaserJock> MagicFab: because we don't have the doc
[02:11] <MagicFab> LaserJock, there wasn't an installation guide before edgy, right ?
[02:11] <LaserJock> there is
[02:11] <mpt> Danger, danger, Web site structure reflecting organizational details alert!
[02:11] <LaserJock> but it's maintained by the installer devs
[02:12] <MagicFab> LaserJock, do u have an URL ?
[02:12] <LaserJock> I don't think there is one
[02:12] <LaserJock> as far as I know it's not online, but I could be wrong of course
[02:12] <LaserJock> but I do know that the doc team isn't maintaining one since at least dapper
[02:13] <LaserJock> because the install devs (Colin mostly) took over that
[02:15] <MagicFab> When comparing https://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/ and https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ , the nice installation guide for 6.10 is not in 6.06. So who did the one for 6.10 ?
[02:15] <MagicFab> Looking at the credits, it seems it's an adaptation of several sources, for Ubuntu. But no mention on who adapted it.
[02:16] <MagicFab> You say Colin Watson ? anyone else ?
[02:16] <LaserJock> you'll have to ask mdke
[02:17] <LaserJock> I really don't know how the 6.10 one got there
[02:17] <MagicFab> LaserJock, ok, tx. for the hints - appreciated. It seems weird the "Long term support" version of Ubuntu does not have a propoer installation guide...
[02:18] <MagicFab> but I see the reasons
[02:18] <LaserJock> well, I know at least the Desktop CD doesn't
[02:19] <LaserJock> now that Alternate CD installation guide on 6.10 looks like a Ubuntuized debian installer guide
[02:19] <MagicFab> that's because it is :)
[02:20] <MagicFab> tx
[08:26] <Madpilot> Our spammer is back - Kypir just dumped a whole bunch of porn spam on huc/c
[08:29] <tonyyarusso> geez
[08:29] <Madpilot> asking on #launchpad now about getting the idiot's LP account yanked
[08:31] <tonyyarusso> good
[08:31] <tonyyarusso> See if they can ban creation of another with the same e-mail while you're at it
[08:46] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, found an LP admin in #launchpad, idiot's account now disabled
[09:44] <mdke> Madpilot: I opened a support ticket on launchpad but haven't had any response.
[09:45] <Madpilot> mdke, this one's been dealt with, at least
[09:46] <mdke> Madpilot: the account has been disabled?
[09:46] <Madpilot> yes
[09:46] <mdke> good
[09:46] <Madpilot> one of the LP admins was in #launchpad
[09:48] <mdke> I see it now
[09:48] <mdke> nice one
[09:48] <tonyyarusso> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion claims FF2 was backported to Dapper, but that seems untrue.  Clarification?
[09:51] <mdke> tonyyarusso: all security updates are included with Ubuntu
[09:52] <tonyyarusso> mdke: So why does packages.ubuntu.com have no knowledge of it?
[09:52] <mdke> tonyyarusso: because the version number doesn't get bumped up to 2 when you add security updates to 1.5
[09:52] <tonyyarusso> Oh wait, it's in dapper-security
[09:52] <mdke> oh hang on, that page says it was added to dapper-backports
[09:52] <tonyyarusso> :S
[09:53] <tonyyarusso> something's fishy...
[09:55] <mdke> maybe packages.u.c is out of date
[09:55] <tonyyarusso> perhaps?
[09:55] <tonyyarusso> Any way to poke around more manually?
[10:20] <mpt> Uh oh, it's another Matthew
[10:23] <tonyyarusso> aaaaaah
[10:23] <tonyyarusso> I'm going to start making up names for you people.
[10:24] <tonyyarusso> MatthewV: You are henceforth James.
[10:24] <MatthewV> tonyyarusso, uh, thanks
[10:24] <tonyyarusso> MatthewV: Any time :)
[10:24] <MatthewV> tonyyarusso, how many matthew's are there?
[10:25] <tonyyarusso> MatthewV: At least, um, 7?
[10:25] <MatthewV> there's me, and mdke , and i'm assuming that mpt is..
[10:25] <tonyyarusso> There are too many Cor(e)ys too
[10:26] <mpt> Welcome MatthewV
[10:27] <mpt> There are also newz2000, and mdz, and others who have slipped my mind momentarily
[10:27] <mpt> oh yes, matthewrevell
[10:27] <tonyyarusso> right
[10:28] <MatthewV> thanks mpt
[12:34] <coreyt> crud
[12:34] <coreyt> flipping snowing outside
[01:11] <coreyt> Flash 9 for Linux went Gold Today.
[01:11] <coreyt> http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash
[01:11] <crimsun> thanks, on it
[01:15] <coreyt> installer works
[01:15] <crimsun> I presumed that :)
[01:37] <crimsun>   flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.31~ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[01:37] <crimsun> Successfully uploaded packages.
[03:48] <linuxphotogeek> popey: morning here!
[03:53] <jsgotangco> hi
[04:07] <popey> lionel: :)
[04:07] <popey> er, oops
[07:30] <mdke> mpt: poor old Garrett doesn't get a mention
[07:31] <Laser_away> morning mdke
[07:31] <mdke> morning Laser_away
[07:31] <mdke> or indeed, more correctly, evening
[07:32] <Laser_away> heh, 10:30am for me
[08:04] <jenda> 11111 Ubuntu users counted! http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/
[08:17] <mdke> what was the outcome of the binary drivers by default outcry? Are we still installing em?
[08:38] <fergus> hey all
[08:42] <nixternal> mpt: i don't remember an outcry at all, but still a very good point
[08:42] <nixternal> man, I remember the Netscape days like it was just yesterday
[08:47] <mdke> anyone know the answer?
[08:48] <nixternal> mdke: i swore i read they weren't going through with it as default because beryl/compiz wasn't going to be ready
[08:48] <mdke> hmm
[08:49] <nixternal> now where i read that, heard that, or dreampt that, i couldn't tell you
[09:01] <fergus> hello
[09:23] <LaserJock> mdke: you'd have to look at the spec, but I think the distro sprint will decide it
[09:26] <Burgwork> mdke: afaik, no decision yet
[09:27] <Burgwork> we don't even have the latest compiz for testing and nobody seems to care
[09:28] <mdke> ok thanks LaserJock / Burgwork
[09:28] <mdke> we'll leave the docs for now then
[09:28] <mdke> Burgwork: I read about the compositor for metacity on p.g.o today, is that any good? is it in feisty?
[09:29] <Burgwork> not yet and sort of
[09:29] <Burgwork> reverse that
[09:30] <mdke> it doesn't do anything!
[09:43] <popey> moo
[09:45] <mdke> moo indeed
[10:02] <popey> hope michael / ubuntuclips can come up with a nice how-to for .movs
[10:02] <popey> neither of the procedures on the help page work
[10:03] <popey> heh
[10:03] <popey> well, ubuntuclips do avi, ogg and mov
[10:03] <popey> not specifically for ipods
[10:03] <mdke> nod
[10:24] <LaserJock> mdke: question for you. how easy would it be to insert "topics" into the new help system?
[10:25] <mdke> LaserJock: very. But we're limiting the number of topics that appear on the front page to those which are really appropriate. What did you have in mind?
[10:25] <LaserJock> mdke: Edubuntu
[10:25] <LaserJock> we'd like to sort of "add-on" to ubuntu-docs
[10:25] <LaserJock> and insert Edubuntu topics
[10:25] <mdke> LaserJock: ah. well I suppose that removing some would be appropriate too. Lemme think quickly
[10:26] <LaserJock> I don't think we necessarily need to remove stuff
[10:26] <mdke> yes, I think it would be easy
[10:26] <LaserJock> if it's a big deal
[10:26] <mdke> edubuntu-docs should depend on ubuntu-docs, obviously
[10:26] <LaserJock> yep
[10:26] <mdke> and we'd need to ensure the edubuntu docs appear in our custom yelp patch, when it's done
[10:26] <mdke> that should be fine too
[10:27] <LaserJock> what about the about ubuntu topic, can that be replaced?
[10:28] <mdke> LaserJock: erm. hmm.
[10:29] <mdke> not sure
[10:30] <LaserJock> hmm, I wonder if it would be better for Edubuntu to just keep a copy of Ubuntu's topics and just have our seperate package
[10:30] <willvdl> with profiling it could work?
[10:31] <mdke> LaserJock: what do you mean?
[10:31] <mdke> willvdl: maybe
[10:32] <LaserJock> I'm saying
[10:32] <LaserJock> if in edubuntu/
[10:32] <LaserJock> we keep a copy of the ubuntu "topics" but take out ones we don't want
[10:32] <LaserJock> and add in ours
[10:32] <mdke> and conflict on ubuntu-docs?
[10:32] <LaserJock> and then create a standalone edubuntu-docs package
[10:33] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:33] <LaserJock> because I can see that it could make packaging interesting as well
[10:33] <mdke> You'd still need to install them in /usr/share/ubuntu-docs though
[10:33] <LaserJock> why?
[10:34] <LaserJock> is stuff hard-coded?
[10:35] <mdke> oh no, if you amended the omf files that would be ok
[10:35] <mdke> but you have to leave the series-id in the omf files
[10:35] <LaserJock> yeah, I was thinking I could have an edubuntuize script
[10:36] <LaserJock> does the yelp frontpage come from ubuntu-docs or yelp itself
[10:36] <mdke> bit of both
[10:36] <LaserJock> :-)
[10:57] <nixternal> i might be a little afk here the next day or so, my mom is in the hospital with some heart complications. they aren't 100% positive if it was a heart attack or if she has something like pneumonia yet
[10:57] <nixternal> it seems when there is heart damage it gives off enzymes, but also there are some illnesses that do the same, so we are very hopeful here
[10:58] <mdke> nixternal: best wishes and good luck
[10:58] <nixternal> thanks
[10:58] <willvdl> nixternal: sorry to hear. all the best
[10:58] <nixternal> if one good thing comes out of this, she will quit smoking and starting eating healthy, or i will kill her :)
[10:59] <nixternal> s/starting/start
[10:59] <nixternal> she is better today, but they are keeping her for some more tests at least until tomorrow
[10:59] <nixternal> she is just super tired now, so it gives me some ubuntu time :)
[11:02] <nixternal> umm, it seems i missed an edubuntu meeting
[11:02] <willvdl> my GF went to sleep an hour ago so I also have ubuntime
[11:02] <nixternal> hahaha
[11:02] <nixternal> my gf is out of town until sunday, so i am good
[11:03] <willvdl> nixternal, still trying to work out what docs go online/packaged in meeting
[11:03] <nixternal> and when she comes home, i can't pick her up, i will be at the LUG event :)
[11:03] <crimsun> my girlfriend (Ubuntu universe) is vengeful and just can't stop making demands.
[11:03] <nixternal> man, is it me or is there a TON of doc work for feisty yet to be done?
[11:03] <nixternal> hahaha crimsun
[11:03] <nixternal> your a luser
[11:03] <nixternal> ;p
[11:04] <nixternal> crimsun: i told you that sharing her is a good thing and that you shouldn't try to hog her all to yourself
[11:04] <crimsun> well, I'm leaving my girlfriend shortly.
[11:04] <crimsun> you guys and gals can have her all to yourself.
[11:04] <nixternal> i mean come on, you let LaserJock write stories and manager her, he is like her pimp :)
[11:04] <willvdl> for an older women?
[11:04] <nixternal> haha
[11:05] <tonyyarusso> crimsun: You're dating universe?
[11:05] <nixternal> older than universe would be something like unstable or sid :)
[11:05] <willvdl> or dos
[11:05] <crimsun> heh, sometimes it seems that way
[11:05] <crimsun> people always complain about how stuff doesn't get done
[11:06] <mdke> crimsun: you're leaving?
[11:06] <crimsun> then I look around and discover I'm just about the only one actually getting stuff done
[11:07] <willvdl> crimsun, you got my sound working. you're a hero :)
[11:07] <nixternal> haha
[11:07] <mpt> crimsun gets sound working?
[11:08] <mpt> Sound isn't working on my machine ...
[11:08] <nixternal> crimsun gets everything working
[11:08] <nixternal> oh no mpt
[11:08] <crimsun> mpt: bug report?
[11:08] <mpt> No, it's not reproducible
[11:08] <mpt> Sound works for about a month out of every seven or eight months
[11:09] <crimsun> but you didn't file a bug report?
[11:09] <mpt> No, because it's not reproducible
[11:09] <mpt> well, I suppose "I have no sound" is reproducible, but "Sound stops working when X" isn't, because I don't know what X is
[11:09] <willvdl> now I'm jus looking for a new bitch to get my laptop power management to suspend
[11:09] <crimsun> please file one anyway; see my LP page for the link to info I'd appreciate you attaching.
[11:10] <mpt> okie dokie
[11:10] <mdke> willvdl: there is only one power management bitch
[11:10] <willvdl> ogra?
[11:10] <mdke> mjg59
[11:10] <crimsun> try another matthew.
[11:11] <willvdl> excellent. he will rue the day my laptop booted for the first time
[11:11] <mpt> ogra isn't a matthew
[11:11] <mpt> at least, not yet
[11:11] <willvdl> ogra, does gnome-power-manager
[11:11] <willvdl> he looks like a matthew
[11:11] <mdke> oof!
[11:12] <willvdl> full name?
[11:12] <mdke> willvdl: he won't rue it, he probably already knows how to do it
[11:12] <mdke> willvdl: Matthew Garrett
[11:12] <willvdl> ah
[11:12] <dsas> willvdl: He's in Australia fixing laptops at the minute though...
[11:12] <mdke> likely he has the model is his house :D
[11:13] <mpt> crimsun, that's a very nifty summary, perhaps it should be on the wiki somewhere
[11:13] <willvdl> hmm, maybe he can pop round sunny south africa on his way home
[11:13] <willvdl> I'll make him some weak tea
[11:13] <mpt> crimsun, and w.r.t. (2), how do I know what my "preferred audio device" is?
[11:13] <willvdl> the one you prefer sound coming out of?
[11:14] <willvdl> ciao all
[11:16] <crimsun> mpt: it's the top one listed unless you have a different one listed in step (5)
[11:16] <crimsun> mpt: sorry, the top one from step (4)
[11:18] <mpt> ok, ta
[11:18] <crimsun> mpt: you're not expected to know that last bit; I'll get all that info when a bug report includes all info requested in those steps
[11:18] <mpt> What package should I specify?
[11:20] <crimsun> linux-source-$(uname -r|awk -F- '{ print $1 }')
[11:20] <crimsun> dapper -> linux-source-2.6.15, edgy -> linux-source-2.6.17, feisty -> linux-source-2.6.20
[11:23] <mpt> No wonder I can never remember how to use awk
[11:24] <mpt> crimsun, assembling bug 80344
[11:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80344 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Sound works only a few weeks per year" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80344
[11:24] <crimsun> thanks.
[11:25] <crimsun> mpt: we can migrate to #ubuntu and troubleshoot now if you have the time
[11:41] <mdke> gah
[11:41] <nixternal> is that a good gah or a bad gah?
[11:41] <mdke> the openoffice applications have different names between their entries in the applications menu and their actual names
[11:41] <mdke> Openoffice Presentation - > Openoffice Immpress
[11:42] <nixternal> ya, same with Kubuntu
[11:42] <mdke> so what do we call them?
[11:42] <nixternal> with KMenu they can do Name=OpenOffice.org Impress and Description=OpenOffice Presentation or what not
[11:42] <nixternal> mdke: to make it easy, I use what the menu says to try and avoid confusion
[11:43] <nixternal> then under that you can let it be known what the actual name is
[11:43] <nixternal> i was trying to figure out how to link to OO.o help, but OO.o help is in binary form and uses a setup similar to Microsoft
[11:44] <mdke> yes, tricky