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Lutin | siretart: could you have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4085 if you have some time ? It might be interesting for you, motumedia guys :) | 12:15 |
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sistpoty | gn8 everyone | 12:17 |
LaserJock | cya sistpoty | 12:17 |
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imbrandon | 12:49 | |
imbrandon | bzr branch imbrandons_brain | 12:50 |
LaserJock | ewww, I don't want to merge that one | 12:51 |
imbrandon | heh | 12:52 |
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ajmitch | LaserJock: scary though | 12:53 |
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chillywilly | ajmitch: when attempting to boot this Xen kernel I get: 'Error 13: Invalid or unsupportable executable format' (for the record) | 12:54 |
chillywilly | google tells me that the kernel image may not be compressed | 12:54 |
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chillywilly | much different output with the xen image and one of the stock kernels | 12:56 |
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imbrandon | ajmitch, have you installed any unmodified domains ( read: windows ) on xen yet ? | 01:05 |
ajmitch | I can't | 01:06 |
imbrandon | hum | 01:06 |
ajmitch | no cpu support for it | 01:06 |
imbrandon | ohh | 01:06 |
imbrandon | cruft | 01:06 |
imbrandon | i might be on ym own then | 01:06 |
imbrandon | my* | 01:06 |
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ajmitch | not one of these fancy new ones | 01:06 |
imbrandon | i figured that am2 had it | 01:07 |
ajmitch | it does | 01:07 |
ajmitch | mine isn't am2 | 01:07 |
imbrandon | ohhh | 01:07 |
imbrandon | man i'm just wrong all arround tonight | 01:07 |
ajmitch | I got my box a few months before am2 was out | 01:07 |
imbrandon | ahh | 01:07 |
imbrandon | mine has it and enabled in the bios | 01:07 |
ajmitch | have fun then | 01:08 |
imbrandon | i'm debating weather to do a fresh xen minimal install and a few domu's | 01:08 |
jdong | is it just me or is XFS in Edgy a lot more flaky? | 01:09 |
jdong | I had one bad shutdown today on a XFS box and it ended up sending 10,000 files into /lost+found | 01:09 |
jdong | fortunately it was a newly imaged system with no items of sentimental value | 01:09 |
ajmitch | sigh | 01:12 |
ajmitch | * Merge from Debian unstable. Ubuntu changes: | 01:13 |
ajmitch | - See 1.5ubuntu1 | 01:13 |
ajmitch | that's *not* how it should be done | 01:13 |
somerville32 | lol | 01:13 |
somerville32 | Who did that? | 01:13 |
ajmitch | I'm not going to point fingers | 01:13 |
ajmitch | since it's someone in here | 01:14 |
somerville32 | lol | 01:14 |
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imbrandon | wow | 01:35 |
imbrandon | thats special | 01:35 |
imbrandon | ajmitch, did you atleaste poke them in private ( so they are aware ) | 01:36 |
imbrandon | heh | 01:36 |
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ajmitch | no | 01:39 |
crimsun | it was me!! | 01:40 |
somerville32 | So thats how crimsun does it so fast : | 01:40 |
somerville32 | He cheats :P | 01:40 |
imbrandon | heh | 01:41 |
ajmitch | as if crimsun would | 01:41 |
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imbrandon | hum this is gonna take a while | 01:42 |
persia | cd .. | 01:44 |
imbrandon | hum whats the s bit on rwxrwxrwx ? | 01:45 |
imbrandon | e.g. drwxr-sr-x 6 brandon brandon 160 2007-01-16 18:42 feisty-security | 01:46 |
persia | imbrandon: 0 (0777) | 01:46 |
persia | imbrandon: rewxr-s-r-x is 2777 | 01:47 |
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imbrandon | hum ok | 01:47 |
imbrandon | i have a feeling this rsync is gonna take a while | 01:48 |
ajmitch | I thought you were on a super-fast connection & all | 01:49 |
imbrandon | yea but even on a superfast connection 110GB is alot | 01:49 |
ajmitch | is this an initial rsync? | 01:49 |
imbrandon | yea | 01:49 |
imbrandon | i was using apt-mirror , now i'm converting to a full rsync | 01:50 |
somerville32 | Are you creating a mirror? | 01:50 |
imbrandon | somerville32, i've had a mirror for quite some time | 01:50 |
somerville32 | imbrandon, Do you have an Xubuntu mirror? | 01:50 |
imbrandon | i have one on ym local lan and i have a public one | 01:50 |
ajmitch | right, I was going to say that it'd cause a large load to do the whole thing by rsync | 01:50 |
ajmitch | these people, always trying to push xubuntu | 01:51 |
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imbrandon | somerville32, i will after this rsyc finishes | 01:51 |
LaserJock | somerville32: xubuntu is in Main, if he has Main he's got xubuntu | 01:51 |
imbrandon | right | 01:51 |
somerville32 | Oh, you're syncing the repository | 01:51 |
imbrandon | i have edgy feisty currently | 01:52 |
imbrandon | somerville32, yes | 01:52 |
ajmitch | that is the most useful thing to sync | 01:52 |
somerville32 | imbrandon, Did you ever finish setting up the build machines? | 01:52 |
ajmitch | it's not like there's 110GB of cd images | 01:52 |
imbrandon | somerville32, this is the last step | 01:52 |
crimsun | imbrandon: do you have my ponies? | 01:52 |
imbrandon | crimsun, hehe | 01:52 |
ajmitch | crimsun: sent to the knackers | 01:52 |
crimsun | gah | 01:52 |
imbrandon | glue ? | 01:52 |
ajmitch | yep | 01:53 |
imbrandon | ouch | 01:53 |
ajmitch | glue & dogfood | 01:53 |
LaserJock | hmm, so I have 3 Ubuntu machines using Edgy and Feisty, and on 2 networks. What's the best way to reduce redundant downloads | 01:53 |
ajmitch | don't dist-upgrade often | 01:53 |
Toadstool | aptoncd :) | 01:54 |
ajmitch | I use apt-proxy, which is adequate | 01:54 |
LaserJock | well, it's usually the pbuilders | 01:54 |
imbrandon | LaserJock, local mirror ;) | 01:54 |
ajmitch | but not great | 01:54 |
imbrandon | if you have 40gb of space you can run a edgy + feisty + source mirror | 01:54 |
imbrandon | with apt-mirror | 01:54 |
imbrandon | for one arch | 01:54 |
ajmitch | I should consider doing that at home | 01:55 |
LaserJock | hmm, that's not bad | 01:55 |
ajmitch | except that I don't have many machines | 01:55 |
ajmitch | and 2 archs | 01:55 |
imbrandon | ajmitch, its about 12gb for each extra arch | 01:55 |
LaserJock | I've only got 1 arch and I'd probably don't need source | 01:55 |
persia | uqm has two packages. uqm-content is under CCA-NC-SA, and uqm is under GPL. uqm depends on uqm-content. Is it safe for the .desktop and menu files in uqm to point to files provided by uqm-content (this will cause a lintian error)? | 01:55 |
LaserJock | the .desktop and menu files point to stuff in -content? | 01:56 |
imbrandon | why isnt the .dsktop in -content then ? | 01:57 |
persia | LaserJock: Not currently, but there is a bug that uqm doesn't appear in the menu, and I'm fixing it. I'd rather use icons, but all the content is under the other license. | 01:57 |
persia | imbrandon: I can put the .desktop there, but the menu file is provided by debian in uqm, and I'd rather not move it. | 01:57 |
LaserJock | persia: but it shouldn't point to the specific icon should it | 01:58 |
imbrandon | hrm | 01:58 |
imbrandon | xen or no xen | 01:58 |
ajmitch | whatever you feel like | 01:59 |
persia | LaserJock: The menu file needs to point to a specific icon. The .desktop file uses a basename, and the icon is selected by the xdg magic. | 01:59 |
imbrandon | hrm can i run a 32bit xen dom0 and a 64bit domU ? | 01:59 |
ajmitch | not afaik | 01:59 |
imbrandon | hrm | 01:59 |
ajmitch | it may be different with hardware virt, who knows? | 02:00 |
imbrandon | true | 02:00 |
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imbrandon | s/reader/converter | 02:01 |
imbrandon | uptime | 02:02 |
ajmitch | seems like you'd need 64-bit dom0, and hardware virt for 32-bit domU | 02:02 |
imbrandon | err | 02:02 |
ajmitch | 14:01:45 up 9 days, 15:24, 4 users, load average: 0.17, 0.18, 0.11 | 02:02 |
imbrandon | 19:02:42 up 36 days, 9:45, 4 users, load average: 0.08, 0.10, 0.07 | 02:03 |
ajmitch | yeah, I rebooted it at about 200 days :) | 02:03 |
imbrandon | heh that sucks | 02:03 |
somerville32 | 21:03:37 up 7:52, 3 users, load average: 1.03, 0.97, 0.95 | 02:03 |
imbrandon | we had one at work at 470+ days | 02:03 |
imbrandon | that had to be rebooted like a week ago | 02:03 |
imbrandon | it sucked | 02:03 |
ajmitch | it was just the box with the dsl modem at home | 02:04 |
ajmitch | so nothing big | 02:04 |
ajmitch | lucky I could fix up my RAID problems yesterday on the work server without taking anything down | 02:04 |
imbrandon | ;) | 02:04 |
imbrandon | if i could get the nic1000 working on this mb i would be happy | 02:05 |
imbrandon | then i coudl put a sata raid card in and have more hdd's | 02:05 |
ajmitch | sigh, looks like it's time to plug in this mp3 player | 02:05 |
ajmitch | battery running down again | 02:05 |
imbrandon | as it is the only slot i have free to do it has the pci nic replacement | 02:05 |
ajmitch | s/down/flat/ :) | 02:06 |
imbrandon | i broke my ipod the other day | 02:06 |
imbrandon | no more ipod for brandon , not for a few weeks | 02:06 |
imbrandon | i'm gonna wait to see how these new iphones look | 02:06 |
imbrandon | and possibly get one of those instead of a new ipod | 02:06 |
ajmitch | waste of money | 02:07 |
imbrandon | well $250+ on ipod, $200 on a phone , thats only $50 more dollars for a iphone | 02:07 |
imbrandon | so really about the same price | 02:07 |
imbrandon | plus pda and video stuff | 02:08 |
LaserJock | $200 for a phone?!? | 02:08 |
LaserJock | I only get the free kinda ;-) | 02:09 |
LaserJock | -a | 02:09 |
imbrandon | heh my last one ( about 3 weeks ago ) was about $179 + taxes etc | 02:10 |
LaserJock | ouch | 02:10 |
chillywilly | so you guys that have used xen before, did you build it from source or what? | 02:13 |
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imbrandon | just get it from the repo | 02:14 |
imbrandon | most of the time | 02:14 |
chillywilly | can't boot the kernel | 02:14 |
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imbrandon | heh then file a bug ;) | 02:14 |
chillywilly | gives me grub error 13 | 02:14 |
chillywilly | ok, I could do that but that doesn't help with actually getting it to work...I am forced to build it from source now | 02:16 |
ajmitch | you haven't given terribly much info | 02:18 |
ajmitch | build it from source if you wish | 02:18 |
imbrandon | and fwiw grub error 13 normaly is just an error in the grub menu entry | 02:19 |
ajmitch | oh look | 02:19 |
ajmitch | Linux ephraim 2.6.17-6-generic-xen0 #3 SMP Mon Oct 16 06:15:23 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux | 02:19 |
ajmitch | I do have my laptop running xen | 02:19 |
imbrandon | hehe | 02:19 |
imbrandon | x86 xen | 02:20 |
imbrandon | ;) | 02:20 |
ajmitch | I think that's because all the other kernels were failing badly | 02:20 |
ajmitch | sure | 02:20 |
ajmitch | the laptop is old & decrepit | 02:20 |
imbrandon | ahh ;) | 02:20 |
ajmitch | only a pentium M | 02:20 |
imbrandon | thats still nice | 02:20 |
imbrandon | anything above 1ghz is OK to me | 02:20 |
ajmitch | 1GB RAM, enough to run 1 or 2 domUs | 02:20 |
ajmitch | this one is 2GHz | 02:21 |
imbrandon | ;) | 02:21 |
imbrandon | i was on that 2.9 celeron for a LONG time | 02:21 |
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Mez | how long does soyuz take to process new uploads nowadays? | 02:25 |
ajmitch | define 'new' | 02:25 |
imbrandon | as in NEW queue or just an normal upload ? | 02:25 |
LaserJock | NEW new or just new new ? ;-) | 02:25 |
Mez | not NEW | 02:26 |
LaserJock | heh | 02:26 |
ajmitch | or NEW NEW new | 02:26 |
imbrandon | lol | 02:26 |
Mez | just a "until I get some sort of email back" | 02:26 |
imbrandon | depends on the upload i think it does it at 3 and 33 | 02:26 |
ajmitch | aha, I knew it! ;) | 02:26 |
Mez | I noticed kxmame had no depends on xmame | 02:26 |
ajmitch | depends on if you stuff up the upload as well | 02:26 |
LaserJock | "I've got a new upstream upstream release that I'd like to get uploaded to NEW new" | 02:26 |
ajmitch | don't confuse the poor chap | 02:27 |
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Mez | lol | 02:27 |
Mez | never mind | 02:27 |
imbrandon | heh | 02:27 |
Mez | I got the email | 02:27 |
Mez | I thought that with my mail server being stuffed up and now delivering me stuff from november, | 02:28 |
Mez | I might have to wait till april | 02:28 |
ajmitch | ok | 02:28 |
ajmitch | & it'll hopefully build & maybe even be published within an hour | 02:29 |
Mez | ajmitch, tis cool - just wanted to get an email back to make sure I hadnt stuffed the upload ;) | 02:29 |
ajmitch | immortalised on feisty-changes | 02:30 |
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Mez | I cant rememebr my mailing list password to re-subscribe | 02:30 |
Mez | (aka turn off vacation mode) | 02:30 |
imbrandon | heh | 02:31 |
imbrandon | vacation mode == procmail to /dev/null | 02:31 |
imbrandon | ;) | 02:31 |
LaserJock | ah man, I got screwed on TA assignments | 02:32 |
Mez | imbrandon - or nomail on to the mailing list request thing | 02:32 |
imbrandon | hum food , bbiab | 02:32 |
LaserJock | I've got grading/proctoring/ and the stupid computer lab :( | 02:32 |
ajmitch | lucky LaserJock! | 02:33 |
ajmitch | no ubuntu time for you | 02:33 |
Mez | and the "request password" doesnt work | 02:33 |
LaserJock | ajmitch: maybe I'll sepnd my computer lab hours building an Edubuntu lab :-) | 02:33 |
ajmitch | heh | 02:35 |
LaserJock | think of the pbuilder cluster I could have :-) | 02:35 |
LaserJock | I think there are ~10 p4s in there | 02:35 |
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Mez | I just found an old welcome email | 02:36 |
Mez | and the bloody thing doesnt work | 02:36 |
LaserJock | Mez: have you changed addresses? | 02:36 |
Mez | no | 02:36 |
Mez | Welcome to the Ubuntu-burning@lists.ubuntu.com mailing list! | 02:37 |
ajmitch | blame the circus midgets | 02:37 |
Mez | You must know your password to change your options (including changing | 02:37 |
Mez | the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. It is: | 02:37 |
Mez | and the password it gives ther e(and in the 5 copies i have of it) | 02:37 |
Mez | doesnt work | 02:37 |
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Mez | A reminder of your password has been emailed to you. | 02:39 |
Mez | no it hasnt1 | 02:39 |
ajmitch | oh well, you'll live, resubscribe | 02:40 |
Mez | I need ym p/w to unsubscribe dont it ? | 02:40 |
shawarma | Mez: No. Just ask to unsubscribe and click the link in an e-mail you get. | 02:40 |
Mez | yeah - but abive it says I need it | 02:41 |
shawarma | abive? | 02:41 |
Mez | above | 02:42 |
Mez | hmm | 02:42 |
Mez | seems fiordland is avoiding me | 02:42 |
shawarma | Ah.. I'm a bit slow right now. :-) | 02:42 |
shawarma | I'm having trouble with mailman these days, too. | 02:42 |
Mez | ubuntu mailman / | 02:42 |
shawarma | Yes. | 02:43 |
Mez | ah kk | 02:43 |
ajmitch | complain to canonical people | 02:43 |
shawarma | It's discarding my mail to a particular list. | 02:43 |
Mez | it seems that mail isnt getting to fiordland. | 02:44 |
Mez | as it's sending it fine from gmail to my ubuntu accounty | 02:44 |
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bddebian | Heya gang | 02:53 |
imbrandon | heya | 02:53 |
bddebian | Hi imbrandon | 02:53 |
ajmitch | hm | 02:55 |
bddebian | hmm | 02:55 |
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Toadstool | re | 02:56 |
bddebian | wb Toadstool | 02:57 |
Toadstool | hey bddebian | 02:57 |
ajmitch | yeah.. | 02:57 |
Toadstool | great... received my plane ticket for September... I don't want to go back to France :/ | 02:58 |
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zul | because they speak french? | 02:59 |
imbrandon | heh | 02:59 |
Toadstool | nope, because i love California :) | 02:59 |
bddebian | Ugh | 02:59 |
zul | i rather be in france then california | 03:01 |
Toadstool | that's because you're not french | 03:01 |
imbrandon | i'd rather be in spain than anywhere ;) | 03:02 |
zul | yeah but my father speaks french | 03:02 |
Toadstool | yay! barcelona :) | 03:02 |
bddebian | Well I'd pick California over France but Cali still sucks :-) | 03:02 |
Toadstool | argh | 03:02 |
Amaranth | i wanna go to live in canada | 03:02 |
bddebian | Canukistan? Why? :) | 03:03 |
imbrandon | canada ? people live there? | 03:03 |
Amaranth | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vancouver_Island <--i wanna go there | 03:03 |
zul | Amaranth: there is a lot of snow on vancouver island this year | 03:04 |
Amaranth | really? | 03:04 |
zul | yeah el nino | 03:04 |
Amaranth | oh | 03:04 |
ajmitch | NZ > * | 03:04 |
Amaranth | well it was 70F here right before the end of the year | 03:04 |
Amaranth | so i guess i can see that | 03:04 |
bddebian | El Nino? hah, I thought Global Warming was causing everything? :) | 03:04 |
imbrandon | lol | 03:05 |
zul | heh its suppose to get -24C tonight | 03:05 |
Toadstool | ajmitch: well my next trip will most probably be to NZ and/or Australia | 03:05 |
imbrandon | jesus | 03:05 |
Amaranth | bddebian: you can blame everything on either el nino or global warming | 03:05 |
Amaranth | zul: here too | 03:05 |
bddebian | Amaranth: Bah, I just blame ajmitch :-) | 03:05 |
ajmitch | it's never got down that cold in NZ | 03:05 |
ajmitch | bddebian: that's ok, give me more excuses | 03:06 |
Amaranth | current temp is -14C | 03:06 |
Amaranth | windchill is -22C | 03:06 |
Amaranth | and it's only 8p | 03:06 |
bddebian | ajmitch: excuses for what man? | 03:06 |
ajmitch | bddebian: whatever I feel like doing | 03:06 |
bddebian | ajmitch: Ah ;) | 03:06 |
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Amaranth | zul: my cold weather scared you away? :) | 03:07 |
ajmitch | bddebian: I've still got a list of things to harass you about | 03:07 |
bddebian | haha | 03:07 |
zul | er...yeah | 03:07 |
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bddebian | ajmitch: Uh oh, what'd I do now? | 03:07 |
ajmitch | breaking stuff | 03:07 |
bddebian | Now what did I break? | 03:08 |
ajmitch | sponsoring stuff that should have been looked at first, too | 03:08 |
bddebian | Are you going to be more specific? | 03:08 |
ajmitch | maybe | 03:08 |
persia | My keyboard doesn't work in yet a different way today. Anyone have any pointers to where I should add the definition for this keyboard to prevent this recurring? (it's Logitech jp106). | 03:12 |
zul | yeah #ubuntu | 03:12 |
persia | zul: Noone has ever had an answer to that question there in the past two years. Oh well, I'll go play with keytouch and xkb, and see if I can find it. | 03:14 |
bddebian | ajmitch: Well? | 03:16 |
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chillywilly | yay | 03:26 |
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imbrandon | bbiab, time for a clean install | 03:31 |
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GreenD | Hey | 03:40 |
GreenD | Anyone willing to lend me a hand creating a package right quick? | 03:42 |
sladen | GreenD: how far did you get? :) | 03:44 |
GreenD | Haha, not too far right now. Want a run down of what I'm trying to do? | 03:44 |
sladen | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation has lots of ideas from the basics upwards | 03:45 |
sladen | basically, (if it's not already packaged in Debian), we grab the source as a tarball | 03:45 |
sladen | unpackage it, add a 'debian/' directory containing several special files (debian/control, debian/rules) | 03:46 |
GreenD | Well, basically I just want help to where it will install from source on ubuntu, then I'll deb it. :) | 03:46 |
sladen | 'rules' is normally an executable make file that would then call 'make' and put binaries in the right place | 03:47 |
TheMuso | tepsipakki: Please PM me if you need to contact me, that way I can be sure I get your message even when I am online. Thanks. | 03:47 |
GreenD | Eh, let me explain my problems so far... | 03:47 |
sladen | 'control' lists information such as the package name, version, who uploaded it. | 03:47 |
GreenD | I'm wanting to make a debian package for scatterchat for Hacktivismo, but whenever I try to configure from source its not liking my GTK version even though its up to date. (What do I do there?) Theres too much stuff that overrides gaim, should I make everything separate and how? Mind you Scatterchat may be based off of gaim but it is not just a plugin. | 03:49 |
GreenD | Joseph Salvatore isn't able to give me much help on it because he did this on Fedora, so I came here. | 03:49 |
GreenD | Any ideas? | 03:53 |
GreenD | Also, scatterchat comes in two pieces. The main piece (Like gaim.) and the scatterchat module, can we make those two into one package? | 03:54 |
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Marsmensch | hmmm, something's wrong with my ubuntu... by using firefox for surfing the cpu frequency steps up to max, and i can't work with other applications ... since 1 or 2 month i think | 03:55 |
GreenD | Change the nice values for it then. | 03:57 |
GreenD | Might help. | 03:57 |
Marsmensch | ok i try :) thx | 03:59 |
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GreenD | No problem man, hope it works. Sometimes certain 'flashy' things I might have running in or as part of firefox make my pent 4 schiz out. | 04:00 |
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GreenD | Well, this is gay. I'm out. | 04:01 |
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ScottK | Any MOTUs available? I have an updstream update to which I've added additional documentation (including man pages)? bddebian? | 04:30 |
Mez | ScottK, sup ? | 04:32 |
Mez | ScottK, simple 2 questions | 04:33 |
Mez | 1) what package | 04:33 |
Mez | 2) is it in REVU | 04:33 |
bddebian | ScottK: Sorry, I'm not supposed to work on stuff | 04:33 |
ScottK | OK. No problem. | 04:34 |
ScottK | Mez - Sorry - bran dump. It's in REVU - http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4086 | 04:34 |
Mez | bddebian, what have you done now / | 04:34 |
ScottK | bran/brain - can't type either tonight.. | 04:34 |
bddebian | Heya Mez. Dunno, ajmitch won't tell me | 04:35 |
Mez | lol | 04:35 |
Mez | was it that currant bun you left lying on the buildd the other day ? | 04:35 |
bddebian | currant bun? | 04:35 |
Mez | nvm | 04:35 |
Mez | ScottK, couple of things i've noticed straight off | 04:35 |
Mez | 1) pyspf source: newer-standards-version 3.7.2 | 04:36 |
Mez | oh, nvm | 04:36 |
Mez | i read that wrong | 04:36 |
Mez | and what the hell | 04:37 |
Mez | where did that lintian error come from | 04:38 |
ScottK | Dunnu. I always see that when I look at lintian on REVU, but not when I run it locally. | 04:38 |
Mez | that one is fine | 04:39 |
Mez | revu needs updating | 04:39 |
Mez | but the | 04:39 |
Mez | W: pyspf source: build-depends-without-arch-dep | 04:39 |
Mez | is very confusing | 04:39 |
ScottK | Hmmm. I didn't get that one when I built it here. | 04:39 |
Mez | I guess it's just a glitch on REVU | 04:40 |
ScottK | I suspect that may be a function of revu not being updated for the new python policy. That's unchanged from the previous upate I got approved. | 04:40 |
Mez | probably not worht adding a lintian override for it | 04:40 |
Mez | siretart, can you update revu ? | 04:41 |
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chillywilly | there's no pygrub in edgy? | 05:29 |
Mez | thats a PITA | 05:30 |
chillywilly | how else can I boot this domU then? I was just following some instructions on a wiki | 05:33 |
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LaserJock | persia: got a sec for bug 79498 | 05:49 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 79498 in libjsw "new upstream version 1.5.6" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79498 | 05:49 |
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LaserJock | oh my gosh, that xchat crash bug is insane | 05:52 |
ScottK | OK. I think it's good now. I fixed Debian bug #306875 by implementing the patch supplied with the bug. I'd appreciate a revu: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4088 and 4086 is waiting too if anyone is feeling ambitious... | 05:56 |
Ubugtu | Debian bug 306875 in spfquery "spfquery: conflict with libmail-spf-query-perl (spamassassin)" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/306875 | 05:56 |
LaserJock | ScottK: that's a bug fix? | 05:57 |
persia | LaserJock: Sure. What about it? | 05:58 |
ScottK | Yes. | 05:58 |
ScottK | Updated the package to support the alternative implementations of spfquery. The other two in the archives already support it. This was the last one left. | 05:59 |
LaserJock | persia: there's a lot going on there | 05:59 |
ScottK | Not that I added. | 06:00 |
persia | LaserJock: Yes, indeed. libjsw doesn't get a lot of maintenance in Debian :( | 06:00 |
LaserJock | ScottK: usually bugs are done as a debdiff attached to a bug report | 06:00 |
ScottK | Oh. | 06:00 |
persia | ScottK: cf bug 60290 | 06:00 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 60290 in battleball "shows only on debian menu, not games menu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60290 | 06:00 |
ScottK | I thought that got a bug reported. I was trying to go straight to fixed. | 06:00 |
ScottK | So I should take the debdiff from this and attach it to a new bug referencing the Debian bug? | 06:01 |
ScottK | I did fix one small lintian warning that's not part of the bug (added Section to the control file)? | 06:01 |
chillywilly | bah | 06:02 |
ScottK | LaserJock: I've reported bug #79683. Is that right? | 06:12 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 79683 in libspf2 "spfquery: conflict with libmail-spf-query-perl Debian bug#306875" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79683 | 06:12 |
LaserJock | ScottK: why did you change libspf2-1.2.5/src/libspf2/spf_lib_version.h > | 06:15 |
LaserJock | s/>/?/ | 06:15 |
ScottK | I didn't. | 06:15 |
ScottK | I didn't even open the file. | 06:15 |
LaserJock | ScottK: generally you provide a little more descriptive description for the bug, but yeah | 06:15 |
ScottK | OK. | 06:15 |
ScottK | I didn't touch anything outside /debian. | 06:16 |
LaserJock | ScottK: check that debdiff | 06:16 |
LaserJock | unless I've suddenly lost the ability to read a diff (which is possible) | 06:16 |
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ScottK | As I read it, it's a diff against orig and we are already on -4 from Debian. I think that's a previous patch... | 06:18 |
ScottK | --- libspf2-1.2.5.orig/src/libspf2/spf_lib_version.h | 06:18 |
ScottK | +++ libspf2-1.2.5/src/libspf2/spf_lib_version.h | 06:18 |
LaserJock | ScottK: debdiff against the base Debian version | 06:19 |
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LaserJock | when I go to apply a patch I grab the Debian version then add the sponsoree's debdiff | 06:19 |
LaserJock | it's much smaller for new upstreams, etc. | 06:19 |
LaserJock | and keeps our divergence as low as possible | 06:20 |
persia | LaserJock: Just to confirm, doesn't that only apply for source that has yet to have an Ubuntu delta, with debdiff against latest Ubuntu generally preferred? | 06:20 |
LaserJock | if you are going from one ubuntu version to the next, yeah | 06:21 |
LaserJock | just think about the least diff | 06:21 |
LaserJock | and what version you are basing you're work on | 06:21 |
LaserJock | if you're going from ubuntu1 to ubuntu2, then debdiff between those | 06:22 |
LaserJock | if you're going from Xubuntu1 to Yubuntu1 then debdiff between Y and Yubuntu1 | 06:22 |
ScottK | From reading man debdiff, I debdiffed the two dsc files, debdiff libspf2_1.2.5-4.dsc libspf2_1.2.5-4ubuntu1.dsc - I'm guessing that's wrong. Which to files should I be debdiffing? | 06:23 |
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LaserJock | no, that should be right | 06:23 |
ScottK | Part of the patch I was applying from the Debian bug included adding a compat file: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi/libspf2-1.2.5-spfquery-update-alternatives.patch?bug=306875;msg=12;att=1 | 06:26 |
ScottK | I looked and the date stamp on spf_lib_version.h is consistent with me having added it. | 06:27 |
ScottK | Could debhelper have done me the favor of putting in there? | 06:27 |
persia | LaserJock: I must run off. Catch me later about libjsw (or comment on the bug, or email me). | 06:28 |
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LaserJock | ScottK: I really don't know | 06:28 |
LaserJock | I would try to redo it in a seperate dir to see if it's the Debian patch or you | 06:29 |
ScottK | It looks to me on further inspection like it was added by debuild or dh or ... something else in the toolchain. File ownership is consistent with that. | 06:29 |
ScottK | It's not there in the 1.2.5-4 debian source package. | 06:31 |
ScottK | It was definitely added when I built the package and I didn't do it manually. | 06:32 |
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ScottK | I need to go to bed. I'll look into it again when I have time. | 06:32 |
ScottK | Assuming that this diff is good, how would the process go from here? | 06:33 |
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LaserJock | ScottK: subscribe it to ubuntu-universe-sponsors | 06:34 |
LaserJock | and some MOTU will upload it | 06:35 |
ScottK | OK. Thanks. I'll look at it again and if I think it's OK, I'll do that. | 06:35 |
ScottK | Appreciate the help/training. | 06:35 |
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imbrandon | gnight all | 06:45 |
LaserJock | cya imbrandon | 06:45 |
LaserJock | crimsun: you around? I have a question on bug #79555 | 06:46 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 79555 in Ubuntu "please sync pychess 0.6.0.beta5-1 from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79555 | 06:46 |
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tepsipakki | adri2000: please put all the changes in the merge-changelog, not just a pointer to a previous version :) | 07:04 |
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Mez | what's the sync request process nowadays ? | 07:58 |
Lutin | file a bug tu ask a sync, mentioning in what component it is in debian | 08:00 |
Lutin | if possible check if the package builds fine | 08:00 |
Lutin | and subscibe ubuntu-universe-sponsors or main-sponsors depending on the component | 08:00 |
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Mez | Lutin, It's cool - it's a package I maintain in debian | 08:11 |
Mez | so it's easier just to sync from debian | 08:11 |
Mez | rather than having entries like | 08:11 |
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Mez | * Fix Maintainer Field to currect maintainer (1:3.5.4-1 was not synced from debian) | 08:11 |
Mez | in the changelog | 08:11 |
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palski | SRU needing sponsorship Bug #79059, please | 08:20 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 79059 in gnome-hearts "[SRU] gnome-hearts crashes on startup (edgy)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79059 | 08:20 |
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Lutin | Mez: if it's a sync you don't have to do anything - just file a bug and ask it | 08:23 |
Mez | Lutin, already done #80202 | 08:24 |
Mez | bug 80202 | 08:24 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 80202 in rar "Please sync rar 3.6.0-1 from debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80202 | 08:24 |
Lutin | hehe, cool :) | 08:24 |
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siretart | Mez: update revu? | 09:11 |
siretart | morning | 09:11 |
Mez | siretart: well... lintian is out of dat | 09:11 |
Mez | e | 09:11 |
Mez | I'm guessing revu-build builds against edgy still | 09:11 |
Mez | etc etc | 09:11 |
siretart | ah, the system in the outside. | 09:12 |
siretart | hm, well, currently tiber is running dapper with breezy kernel, because dapper kernel is not able to bring up the network interfaces | 09:12 |
siretart | which is.. hmm. bad | 09:13 |
Mez | siretart: but ... still... surely you can update some stuff... | 09:13 |
Mez | or at least make the scripts run in a chroot or something | 09:13 |
Mez | so that it doesnt give dodgy lintian errors | 09:13 |
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siretart | hm, need to think about it how to integrate it with the rest of the revu toolchain | 09:15 |
Mez | true, but something needs to be done... | 09:16 |
Mez | it's not pretty (imho) | 09:16 |
raphink | Mez: revu-build should build against feisty | 09:17 |
raphink | there is feisty pbuilder | 09:17 |
raphink | on tiber | 09:17 |
raphink | I confirm that revu-tools is set to build for feisty Mez, just checked | 09:18 |
Mez | ah yes it does | 09:18 |
Mez | (same here) | 09:18 |
raphink | the lintian errors don't come from the pbuilder | 09:18 |
raphink | they come from the version of lintian (and linda of course) on the system | 09:18 |
raphink | the solution to get rid of them is simply to backport lintian/linda on the machine | 09:18 |
raphink | which should be fairly quick to do | 09:19 |
Mez | raphink, specially with prevu | 09:19 |
Mez | ;) | 09:19 |
raphink | prevu? | 09:19 |
Mez | hehe | 09:19 |
raphink | what is that? | 09:19 |
Mez | meuahaha :D | 09:19 |
Mez | it's an auto-backporter | 09:19 |
raphink | ah | 09:19 |
raphink | well for lintian, I'm guessing pbuilding with an edgy pbuilder the fesity package should do | 09:20 |
raphink | an dsame for linda | 09:20 |
raphink | lintian and linda are fairly simple packages | 09:20 |
raphink | so it's a matter of 2 commands | 09:20 |
raphink | mdt dist-apt-get feisty source lintian | 09:20 |
raphink | pbuilder-edgy build lintian*dsc | 09:20 |
raphink | and that's it | 09:20 |
Mez | backport to dapper ;) | 09:21 |
raphink | ah yes, dapper | 09:22 |
Mez | or | 09:22 |
Mez | I can build backport debs | 09:22 |
raphink | if you want | 09:22 |
raphink | but I can build them directly on tiber | 09:22 |
Mez | already am ;) | 09:22 |
raphink | that might be faster | 09:22 |
Mez | technically so can I :D | 09:22 |
raphink | good | 09:23 |
raphink | so you're making the debs | 09:23 |
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Mez | yep | 09:23 |
raphink | ok good | 09:23 |
Mez | but on my local machine | 09:23 |
Mez | it's easier that way | 09:23 |
raphink | are you admin on tiber? | 09:23 |
Mez | admin no | 09:23 |
raphink | ok | 09:23 |
Mez | i was | 09:23 |
raphink | put the debs in /tmp then | 09:23 |
raphink | I'll install them | 09:23 |
Mez | but I got de-adminned for some reason | 09:23 |
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Mez | I'm still part of the pbuilder group though | 09:24 |
raphink | I don't remember ever seeing you as an admin on tiber | 09:24 |
Mez | this was a LONG time ago | 09:24 |
raphink | ok | 09:25 |
Mez | before sistpoty came along ;) | 09:25 |
Mez | just before the pbuilder system got put in | 09:25 |
raphink | ok | 09:26 |
Mez | prevu's great though | 09:26 |
Mez | it'll do everything | 09:26 |
Mez | including wgetting the packages | 09:27 |
raphink | seems good | 09:27 |
Mez | it is :D | 09:28 |
Mez | thats what the ingenuity of the backports team does | 09:28 |
raphink | how are the packages doing? | 09:31 |
Mez | lintian's building | 09:31 |
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Mez | http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linda/linda_0.3.24.dsc | 09:33 |
Mez | grr | 09:33 |
Mez | ** Success!. You can find source packages and .debs at /var/cache/prevu/dapper-debs ** | 09:33 |
Mez | make: dh_pysupport: Command not found | 09:35 |
Mez | this is linda | 09:35 |
raphink | ah, new python | 09:35 |
raphink | well lintian will already be pretty good to have | 09:35 |
raphink | can you upload the deb to /tmp on tiber please? | 09:36 |
Mez | raphink: it's cool | 09:36 |
raphink | what is? | 09:36 |
Mez | python_support is in universe in dapper | 09:36 |
Mez | lemme just enable it in the prevu-chroot | 09:37 |
Mez | ;) | 09:37 |
Mez | it doesnt enable universe usually (I think) | 09:37 |
raphink | python-support doesn't contain dh_pysupport | 09:37 |
Mez | oh | 09:37 |
Mez | ok I was wrong | 09:37 |
Mez | it does in edgy! :P | 09:37 |
Mez | make: dh_pysupport: Command not found | 09:38 |
raphink | yes, but not in dapper | 09:38 |
raphink | and backporting python-support to dapper would mean backporting the whole python | 09:38 |
raphink | since it depends on >=2.4.3 | 09:39 |
Mez | indeed | 09:39 |
raphink | so it's easier to change it to dh_python in linda | 09:39 |
Mez | /tmp/dapper_debs/lintian_1.23.27ubuntu1~6.06prevu1_all.deb | 09:40 |
raphink | or to just take the feisty package and install it | 09:40 |
raphink | since it's an 'all' package that only depends on python >=2.4 from what I can see | 09:40 |
raphink | argh | 09:41 |
Mez | argh ? | 09:41 |
raphink | lintian depends on gettext >= 0.16 | 09:41 |
Mez | in-security I believe ? | 09:41 |
Mez | or not | 09:43 |
Mez | weird | 09:43 |
raphink | another option might be to call lintin and linda from whithin the chrooted environment in revu-build | 09:43 |
raphink | if possible | 09:43 |
Mez | that's gotta be a manual Depend | 09:43 |
raphink | that is, before the chroot gets removed | 09:43 |
raphink | this way, we would always be sure to call the right version | 09:44 |
Mez | raphink - or have a non-tgz chroot... | 09:44 |
Mez | and then use hooks/whatever to get it to run lintian and send it back through a bind-mount | 09:44 |
raphink | pbuilder accepts hooks, too | 09:44 |
raphink | I use them already in revu-build | 09:45 |
Mez | raphink, yes, tahts waht I meant | 09:45 |
Mez | however, it would take time to unzip the tarball | 09:45 |
raphink | I don't think there's a need to switch to non tgz chroots | 09:45 |
Mez | so if you have one extracted... | 09:45 |
Mez | time really | 09:45 |
raphink | well I guess we could switch to sbuild | 09:45 |
raphink | but then the best idea imo | 09:46 |
raphink | would be to have a source repository on the local machine | 09:46 |
raphink | that gathers the latest uploaded versions of each package on REVU | 09:46 |
raphink | and have sbuild use this local repo as deb-src | 09:46 |
Mez | raphink, pbuilder --no-targz --buildplace /path/to/unzipped/chroot | 09:46 |
raphink | and since sbuild supports multiple distros in chroots, it could be nice this way, too :) | 09:47 |
StevenK | pbuilder doesn't need to use tarballs. | 09:47 |
Mez | StevenK, my point exactly ... :D | 09:47 |
raphink | I don't see the use of pbuilder if there's no tgz | 09:47 |
raphink | I'd use sbuild instead in that case | 09:47 |
StevenK | Use cowbuilder, which will copy-on-write. | 09:47 |
raphink | StevenK: in this case, i'd rather use sbuild though | 09:49 |
raphink | for a simple reason | 09:49 |
raphink | if we can automate the creation of a source repository on REVU | 09:49 |
raphink | sbuild could just build from there | 09:49 |
raphink | whereas pbuilder/cowbuilder need a dsc | 09:50 |
StevenK | pbuilder does not need a dsc | 09:50 |
raphink | ah | 09:50 |
raphink | I guess the manual would have to be updated then | 09:50 |
raphink | pbuilder build [options] .dsc-file | 09:50 |
Mez | pbuilder doesnt :P | 09:53 |
Mez | it's confusing | 09:53 |
StevenK | raphink: pdebuild :-) | 09:53 |
Mez | StevenK, exactly what i was thinking | 09:53 |
raphink | does pdebuild provide a script for multiple builders? | 09:54 |
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StevenK | I have a wrapper I use. | 09:54 |
Hobbsee | !pbuilder | raphink | 09:54 |
ubotu | raphink: pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto | 09:54 |
Hobbsee | bottom section | 09:54 |
Mez | raphink, pbuilder -- --basetgz /path/to/tarball | 09:54 |
Mez | raphink, pdebuild -- --basetgz /path/to/tarball | 09:55 |
raphink | Hobbsee: I wrote this section ;) | 09:55 |
Hobbsee | raphink: ah. oh, you were asking about pdebuild... | 09:55 |
raphink | yep | 09:55 |
raphink | thanks though :) | 09:55 |
Mez | raphink, yeah - you can use any pbuilder options after -- | 09:55 |
Mez | I use normally | 09:56 |
raphink | anyway | 09:56 |
raphink | back to setting this build farm :) | 09:56 |
raphink | buildd is still far from easy to set | 09:56 |
Mez | pdebuild -- --basetgz /scratch/pbuilds/feisty.tgz | 09:56 |
Mez | raphink install dak and katie ;) | 09:56 |
Mez | or | 09:56 |
Mez | poke infinity | 09:56 |
Mez | and he can help you set up a buildd | 09:57 |
raphink | I've got enough to do with buildd/sbuild already | 09:57 |
raphink | and I got help from quite a few buildd admins | 09:57 |
raphink | ;) | 09:57 |
StevenK | dak and katie are nothing to do with sbuild | 09:57 |
Mez | raphink, :P | 09:57 |
raphink | as of the mirror, I chose reprepro | 09:57 |
Mez | StevenK, I know - I was taking the michael | 09:57 |
raphink | it's far easier to deal with than dak | 09:57 |
Mez | raphink, what about falcon ? | 09:57 |
raphink | and powerful enough for my needs :) | 09:57 |
StevenK | reprepro? Oh geez, that thing | 09:57 |
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raphink | does falcon support signed uploads and incoming queue? | 09:58 |
raphink | StevenK: reprepro is so far the best repository builder I've found | 09:59 |
raphink | in terms of usability vs. functionalities | 09:59 |
raphink | although I reckon the configuration could be a bit better | 09:59 |
raphink | just added a few scripts to it and it works great | 09:59 |
Mez | raphink, oh... It just creates the repo ;) | 10:00 |
StevenK | I found it a pain in the neck. | 10:00 |
raphink | what do you use StevenK? | 10:00 |
StevenK | For a personal mirror? | 10:00 |
raphink | for a big one | 10:00 |
StevenK | My personal mirrors are all temporary, so dpkg-scanpackages | 10:00 |
StevenK | My local mirror, debmirror | 10:00 |
raphink | debmirror is not powerful enough for my needs | 10:01 |
raphink | I think I honestly studied all the possibilities I could find in Debian | 10:01 |
raphink | and chose reprepro because it fits my needs | 10:01 |
StevenK | I was using reprepro as a personal mirror, and it sucked. | 10:02 |
raphink | which are to build a master that mirrors the Debian repositories partially, gather several mirrors, signs them again, and adds personal mirrors with an incoming queue checking for signed packages | 10:02 |
raphink | and slaves mirroring the master with the same tool | 10:02 |
raphink | apart from dak, which is not recommended unless you have to build a whole distribution | 10:03 |
raphink | I found reprepro was the only one that was easy enough and powerful enough | 10:03 |
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dholbach | good morning | 10:09 |
StevenK | siretart: I was plotting on dealing with the osgal-cvs merge. | 10:10 |
raphink | hi dholbach | 10:12 |
dholbach | hey raphink! | 10:12 |
raphink | :) | 10:13 |
raphink | what's up? | 10:14 |
dholbach | i'm just waking up :) | 10:14 |
siretart | StevenK: go for it! :) | 10:14 |
raphink | hehe :) | 10:15 |
raphink | just waking up at 10AM ? :) | 10:15 |
raphink | lucky you :) | 10:15 |
freeflying | hi all | 10:15 |
raphink | hi freeflying | 10:16 |
freeflying | raphink: haven't seen you quite a while :) | 10:16 |
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raphink | well i've been around | 10:17 |
raphink | just not very active | 10:17 |
raphink | :) | 10:17 |
raphink | work work work :) | 10:17 |
phanatic | morning raphink :) | 10:17 |
raphink | hi phanatic | 10:17 |
freeflying | StevenK: how about the problem I talked with weeks ago? | 10:17 |
Mez | hmm | 10:17 |
phanatic | raphink: have you seen the videos? | 10:18 |
raphink | some | 10:18 |
Mez | how many people do you think will want a package for a driver for a games pad | 10:18 |
StevenK | freeflying: Hrm? Weeks ago is a long time ago. :-) | 10:18 |
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freeflying | StevenK: heh, the mis-match version number of scim-m17n and m17n-lib-bin | 10:21 |
StevenK | Ah ha. | 10:22 |
freeflying | I'm not sure the right two packages nowtoo :) | 10:22 |
StevenK | I'd forgotten all about that, sorry | 10:22 |
freeflying | After I talked with you, we lose the internet connection :) | 10:23 |
\sh | moins | 10:23 |
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dholbach | hey proppy | 10:24 |
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proppy | ohhh | 10:24 |
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dholbach | ;-) | 10:24 |
proppy | you were fast :) | 10:24 |
dholbach | ;-) | 10:24 |
proppy | dh_olbach | 10:24 |
proppy | i wonder if anybody already does this joke :) | 10:24 |
StevenK | freeflying: You'll need to remind me completly, I'm sorry. | 10:25 |
proppy | s/does/did | 10:25 |
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Mez | qwerasdfzxc | 10:31 |
Mez | (sorry) | 10:31 |
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StevenK | Mez: Is that how good it is? :-P | 10:33 |
Mez | StevenK, that was me typing on it ;) | 10:34 |
Mez | seeing what the keys did | 10:34 |
Mez | one of them was enter ;) | 10:34 |
ajmitch | hi StevenK | 10:35 |
Mez | StevenK, should I package the linux drivers up for ubuntu ? | 10:35 |
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StevenK | Mez: Someone will probably find them useful. | 10:40 |
\sh | changing the maintainer field and adding original-maintainer field in debian/control is mandantory now, right? | 10:40 |
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Mez | if I modify something in /dev/input (chmod) will it stay over a reboot | 10:54 |
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StevenK | Mez: No | 11:24 |
Mez | StevenK, I worked that out | 11:24 |
Mez | StevenK now I need to work out how to use udev rules | 11:25 |
Mez | hmm | 11:32 |
Mez | I got it | 11:32 |
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fernando | hey Hobbsee | 12:13 |
Hobbsee | hey fernando | 12:13 |
Mez | hmm | 12:17 |
Mez | this will be the first package I've made in ages ;) | 12:17 |
Mez | not the first one I've modified | 12:18 |
Mez | but the first NEW | 12:18 |
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\sh | dholbach: src package bidiui, results in icedove-bidiui binary...should we rename this package to thunderbird-bidiui? | 12:20 |
dholbach | not sure | 12:21 |
\sh | more a question for -devel? | 12:21 |
dholbach | \sh: there's a new 'mozillateam' - it'd probably help to subscribe them to a bug report discussing this | 12:22 |
\sh | is there an irc channel for the mozillateam? | 12:22 |
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Mez | hmm... | 12:28 |
Mez | whats the best way of creating .desktop files ? | 12:28 |
Hobbsee | Mez: ask persia to do you one :) | 12:29 |
Amaranth | gnome-desktop-item-edit | 12:29 |
persia | Mez, if there is a menu file included with the package, try using the scripts from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/NoDesktopFile | 12:29 |
Amaranth | oh, you mean for packages | 12:29 |
Mez | yes | 12:29 |
Mez | persia, no menu file either :D and it's a new package | 12:29 |
persia | Mez: I haven't updated the scripts in a while, you probably have some editing to do thereafter (check with desktop-file-validate foo.desktop) | 12:30 |
Mez | that's kind of scary .... | 12:30 |
Mez | http://rafb.net/p/B4Gx4R82.html | 12:30 |
Amaranth | copy someone else's file | 12:30 |
Mez | anyone come accross that before ? | 12:30 |
Amaranth | wtf is fluid and why does it need to talk to X? | 12:31 |
Amaranth | oh, fltk version of glade | 12:32 |
Mez | Amaranth, why does it need to talk to X ? | 12:32 |
Amaranth | not sure | 12:32 |
Amaranth | i would think it'd just be doing some C generation using an XML file | 12:33 |
Amaranth | apparently the converter and the actual GUI are the same app | 12:34 |
Amaranth | the designer GUI, i mean | 12:34 |
Amaranth | scary | 12:34 |
Mez | indeed | 12:34 |
Mez | is it worth running it before and just making it a patch ? | 12:35 |
Amaranth | if that's possible | 12:35 |
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persia | Mez: Looking at fluid.cxx, it appears that the processing is displayed to the user during the -c execution. | 12:37 |
Mez | it seems it is possible | 12:38 |
Hobbsee | tepsipakki: meeting is at 3am. there's no way i'll make that, sorry | 12:39 |
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persia | Mez: Are you packaging the speedpad driver, or something else? If something else, give me a URL so I can fill in the fields correctly. | 12:41 |
Mez | nostromo n52 speedpad driver | 12:42 |
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StevenK | persia: You need to get out more. :-P | 12:43 |
Mez | grr | 12:43 |
Mez | with debhelper... the easiest system for patches ? | 12:44 |
StevenK | dpatch | 12:44 |
persia | StevenK: Nah - it's vacation. I like .desktop and menu files. | 12:44 |
persia | Mez: Are you masquerading the device name, or keeping /dev/input/event#? If the latter, I'll need to start without a device argument, which doesn't seem to match the documentation from the homepage. | 12:46 |
Mez | persia - the documentation from the homepage is completely wrong for this version | 12:47 |
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Mez | nostromo_daemon works out the right thing and attaches to it | 12:47 |
Mez | (I'm working from experience) | 12:47 |
Mez | I've had to create udev rules for it though ;) | 12:47 |
Mez | nostromo_daemon runs as a panel applet | 12:48 |
Mez | if the events (whatever they be) are readable, then it runs | 12:48 |
Mez | if not it just... does nothing | 12:48 |
Mez | but with the udev rules... it works | 12:48 |
Mez | (the docs on the site suck ass) | 12:48 |
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persia | Mez: There is still a requirement for a type argument. Do you want just gnostromo nostromo, or do you also want support for aftershock/firestorm? | 12:51 |
Mez | persia.... gnostromo doesnt exist anymore | 12:52 |
Mez | it's just nostromo_daemon | 12:52 |
Mez | persia, trust me, I'm using it | 12:52 |
persia | Mez: I'm looking at the tarfile for 0.1.3. Should I be looking at something different? | 12:52 |
Mez | what are you looking at in that ? | 12:53 |
persia | Mez: Makefile, nostromo.c | 12:53 |
Mez | mez@apathy:/scratch/pkg/nostromo/nostromo_n50-1.3$ find . -name nostromo.c | 12:54 |
Mez | mez@apathy:/scratch/pkg/nostromo/nostromo_n50-1.3$ | 12:54 |
Mez | 1.3 | 12:54 |
Mez | not 0..1.3 | 12:54 |
Mez | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=61608&package_id=91299 | 12:54 |
persia | Mez: My mistake 1.3 is *much* larger than 0.1.3. Returning to google :) | 12:55 |
Mez | ;) | 12:55 |
Mez | persia, use the link above | 12:58 |
persia | Mez: Got it. Thanks. Same site, just the home page hasn't been updated in four or five years. | 12:58 |
Mez | indeed | 12:59 |
Mez | no idea how it'll work on a mac ;) | 01:00 |
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Mez | 01dofluidstuff.dpatch: script expects -patch|-unpatch as argument | 01:05 |
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persia | Mez: http://rafb.net/p/6wiOiT95.html | 01:10 |
persia | Mez: include /usr/share/dpatch/dpatch.make | 01:10 |
Mez | persia, and the one to run the daemon ? | 01:10 |
Mez | persia: I did it manually | 01:10 |
Mez | http://rafb.net/p/caLMH370.html | 01:11 |
persia | Mez: I'm not sure about dpatch. Investigating more to update the .desktop. | 01:16 |
Mez | persia, just needs another aswell ;)( | 01:17 |
Mez | for _daemon | 01:17 |
Mez | oh sorry | 01:18 |
Mez | persia, there's two things | 01:19 |
Mez | the config utiltity | 01:19 |
persia | Mez: Yep. I'm building makefiles now, so as to better understand. Updated paste to come soon. | 01:19 |
Mez | /exec -o locate nostromo_ | grep bin | 01:19 |
Mez | /usr/local/bin/nostromo_config | 01:19 |
Mez | /usr/local/bin/nostromo_daemon | 01:19 |
Mez | /usr/local/bin/nostromo_remote | 01:19 |
persia | Mez: Do any of those need arguments? Also, is the user supposed to start all of them from the menu, or would some be embedded in the session? | 01:20 |
Mez | daemon should really be in the session | 01:21 |
Mez | config from the menu | 01:21 |
Mez | nostromo_remote is a daemon too | 01:22 |
Mez | but it's rare it'll be used | 01:22 |
persia | Mez: It looks to me like only nostromo_config should be in the menu. Updating... | 01:22 |
_Enchained | Hi | 01:22 |
_Enchained | a gimp plugin in REVU, if someone wants to take a look at : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4089 | 01:23 |
_Enchained | :) | 01:23 |
Lutin | ajmitch: what do you think of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lablgtk/+bug/65894 ? drop the package or fix the bug ? | 01:24 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 65894 in lablgtk "FTBFS in edgy" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 01:24 |
persia | Mez: http://rafb.net/p/SRH3yP66.html should be all you need for the .desktop. I'm not sure how to add something into the user's session. Perhaps the .desktop file and menu file should trigger a wrapper (/usr/bin/nostromo) that checks to make sure the applet is running prior to opening the configuration tool? | 01:25 |
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persia | Mez: http://rafb.net/p/VhzpBQ16.html | 01:35 |
Mez | [n] ostromo_daemon ?? | 01:36 |
Mez | and shouldnt that be | grep -v grep ? | 01:36 |
persia | Mez: Yes, and have logic to start the daemon: http://rafb.net/p/3vFaPe12.html | 01:37 |
Mez | persia, nearly ;) | 01:37 |
persia | Mez: The n is wrapped to ensure it doesn't match `grep nostromo` | 01:37 |
crimsun | more Flash 9 crack for the masses. | 01:37 |
Mez | that says "if the daemons not running, start the daemon, if not, then run the config" | 01:37 |
Mez | shouldnt it be | 01:38 |
Mez | http://rafb.net/p/UEnOHG58.html | 01:38 |
Mez | http://rafb.net/p/q8bW5962.html | 01:39 |
persia | Mez: Maybe. That starts the configurator whether the daemon started successfully or not. I think it should be grep || daemon && config. | 01:39 |
Mez | which means you have to run it twice if the daemon isnt running | 01:39 |
persia | Mez: how about `start-stop-daemon --start nostromo_daemon && nostromo_config`? | 01:40 |
persia | Mez: Rather s/&&/;/ | 01:42 |
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Mez | hmm | 01:42 |
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Mez | but start stop daemon returns false if it's already running | 01:42 |
daya | raphink, hi | 01:43 |
raphink | hi daya | 01:43 |
daya | raphink, what is going on | 01:43 |
raphink | busy at work | 01:43 |
raphink | fighting a bit with reprepro | 01:43 |
daya | hey | 01:43 |
persia | Mez: OK. How about a two line script. The first is start-stop-daemon (the return code can be ignored: the daemon is always running at this point), and the second is config. | 01:43 |
Mez | nvm | 01:44 |
Mez | ;) | 01:44 |
Mez | start-stop-daemon -o --start --exec /usr/bin/nostromo_daemon && nostromo_config | 01:44 |
Amaranth | -o means leave me alone? | 01:45 |
daya | raphink, ok | 01:45 |
Amaranth | oh | 01:45 |
Amaranth | oknodo | 01:45 |
Mez | -o means ok if no action | 01:45 |
Amaranth | i always use it explicitly | 01:45 |
Amaranth | none of this shorthand business | 01:45 |
Mez | lol | 01:46 |
persia | Mez: Nevermind. start-stop-daemon doesn't exit after starting the daemon. You might just have to use s-s-d & sleep 5 & config, or manage it manually. | 01:48 |
Mez | s-s-d does exit! | 01:49 |
Mez | start-stop-daemon -o --start --exec /usr/bin/nostromo_daemon && nostromo_config works perfectly for me | 01:49 |
persia | Mez: I just ran start-stop-daemon -o --start --exec /usr/bin/eog, and it didn't exit until eog did. If it works with nostromo_daemon, then no worries :) | 01:49 |
Mez | persia, it does, cause it runs as a daemon :D | 01:50 |
Mez | whereas i presume eog doesnt ? | 01:50 |
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Mez | persia, you'd need a nostromo though | 01:50 |
persia | Mez: Sitting behind my chair, unplugged because the F key repeats on boot and causes a nasty beeping noise during BIOS load. | 01:51 |
Mez | persia, sweet :D didnt know you had one :D | 01:51 |
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Mez | persia, what games you use it for ? | 01:54 |
persia | Mez: AlephONE. Feel like grabbing from debian-montors? | 01:55 |
Mez | montors ? | 01:55 |
StevenK | mentors.debian.net | 01:55 |
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persia | Mez: mentors (oops) | 01:55 |
Mez | lol :D | 01:56 |
Mez | so I guess you use it without the driver? | 01:56 |
persia | Mez: It just has the left side of the keyboard without the driver. Works fine. | 01:56 |
Mez | yeah, but you cant use the shift modes ;) | 01:57 |
Mez | with the driver it's quite good ;) | 01:57 |
Mez | without it's ok | 01:57 |
persia | Mez: I'm waiting for you to package it ;) | 01:57 |
tepsipakki | crimsun: that was fast :) (flash9) | 01:59 |
Mez | persia, lol | 01:59 |
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Mez | ok, well I've got something that builds | 02:01 |
Mez | persia, you got the makefiles and stuff ? | 02:01 |
persia | Mez: Yes, but I haven't tried Make, I just read Makefiles more easily tham Makefile.am or Makefile.in. | 02:02 |
Mez | persia: scary | 02:02 |
Mez | persia: it's all fun | 02:05 |
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\sh | so no more uploads from me today...need to install and deploy around 200 servers :( | 02:07 |
\sh | bbl | 02:07 |
Mez | er... if I need a package installed to run the postinst... do I list it under B-D or something else | 02:10 |
persia | Mez: Depends: should do it. I think Pre-Depends is only for preinst. | 02:10 |
Mez | persia: Pre-Depends: udebv | 02:11 |
Mez | persia: Pre-Depends: udev | 02:11 |
persia | Isn't it safe to assume udev? | 02:11 |
Mez | *shrugs* | 02:11 |
Mez | devfs ? | 02:12 |
Mez | pre - 2.4. kernels ;) | 02:12 |
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Mez | persia, I just need the stuff to install that desktop file ;) | 02:18 |
incorrect | hello, i am trying to backport subversion, im just at the last hurdle, apache and all the other libs compiled fine | 02:19 |
Mez | incorrect, ubuntu-backports@lists.ubuntu.com | 02:19 |
Mez | (you need to subscribe firsT) | 02:19 |
incorrect | oh right | 02:19 |
Mez | https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-backports | 02:20 |
incorrect | is it a busy mailing list? | 02:24 |
Mez | fair to middling | 02:24 |
Mez | have alook at the archives | 02:25 |
persia | Mez: http://rafb.net/p/T2Tfpn74.html | 02:25 |
incorrect | ah figured it out, its a problem with debhelper | 02:25 |
Mez | persia ;d cheers | 02:26 |
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incorrect | if at first you don't succeed, change the dependencies and hope nothing brakes :) | 02:27 |
Mez | persia- I assume dh_desktop will take a nostromo.desktop in the debian dir ? | 02:28 |
Mez | nvm | 02:28 |
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incorrect | is the backports mailing list high volume? | 02:29 |
Mez | incorrect - I've had 6 emails in the past day | 02:30 |
incorrect | oh is that all | 02:30 |
persia | Mez: No actually, dh_desktop only does postinst magic to update the menus. I also missed dh_installmenu. See http://rafb.net/p/JDhJGF20.html. Please test to make sure it appears in both the main menu and the Debian menu. | 02:30 |
Mez | it sometimes gets huge | 02:30 |
Amaranth | it's normally very quiet then explodes | 02:30 |
Amaranth | because all the backports launchpad bugs are subscribed to it | 02:30 |
incorrect | i really should setup my old nat box at home and run cyrus or something on there, | 02:30 |
incorrect | i don't want my work email address to get spammed :( | 02:30 |
Amaranth | @lart ubotu | 02:31 |
Amaranth | wrong channel :) | 02:32 |
Mez | incorrect, gmail for the win | 02:32 |
Mez | persia, what package is "convert" in | 02:32 |
Amaranth | imagemagick | 02:32 |
persia | Mez: imagemagick. Make the xpm manually: it is considered bad form to B-D on imagemagick. | 02:33 |
incorrect | i've never used gmail | 02:33 |
Mez | persia I know | 02:33 |
Amaranth | incorrect: want an invite? | 02:33 |
incorrect | for some reason webmail services aren't my biggest... | 02:34 |
Mez | I just dont have imagemagick installed | 02:34 |
incorrect | sure why not can't hurt | 02:34 |
Amaranth | incorrect: i need your current email address | 02:34 |
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incorrect | golgotha1138@hotmail.com | 02:34 |
incorrect | yes yes i know | 02:34 |
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Amaranth | invite sent | 02:35 |
incorrect | thats fine :) i have it set to mark all as spam | 02:35 |
incorrect | thanking you | 02:35 |
Amaranth | gmail is great for managing mailing lists | 02:36 |
Mez | persia, I thnk I'm done | 02:36 |
Jozo- | Amaranth: Does they support List-Id header and others nowadays? | 02:36 |
Amaranth | Jozo-: with hacks, maybe | 02:37 |
Amaranth | i've never used List-Id and all my lists get sorted fine | 02:37 |
Mez | persia - damnit | 02:37 |
persia | Mez: When you install the .deb, does it show in both menus? Also, do both launchers work? If so, congratulations! | 02:37 |
Mez | it's easier to B-D on imagemahich | 02:37 |
Mez | dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source | 02:37 |
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persia | Mez: The xpm is ASCII, the problem is caused by the PNG. Since you are doing a name change, put a copy command in your debian/rules to change the name (dh_install cannot rename). Some rules files copy the PNG directly to the target location, but I think it is cleaner to copy to debian first. You could also use install directly, although this leads to long and ugly lines. | 02:39 |
Mez | I was just uuencoding it | 02:40 |
persia | Mez: That works too :) | 02:40 |
persia | Mez: I just like to use the copy or install commands because it reduces the size of the diff and makes the source of the icon clear. | 02:41 |
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incorrect | does apt keep an install history? | 02:46 |
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Mez | persia - wanna try it out ? | 02:51 |
persia | Mez: Sure. Where can I get it? | 02:52 |
Mez | I'll put it in revu in a mo | 02:52 |
Mez | just doing a final test build | 02:54 |
Mez | Selecting previously deselected package nostromo. | 02:56 |
Mez | shit lol | 02:56 |
Mez | it's built for feisty | 02:56 |
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Mez | lol | 02:57 |
Mez | backporting and it isnt even uploaded yet | 02:57 |
Mez | gotta love prevu | 02:57 |
_Enchained | someone to review a small pkg ?... | 02:57 |
Mez | _Enchained, is it in REVU ? | 02:58 |
_Enchained | yeah | 02:58 |
_Enchained | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4089 | 02:58 |
Mez | linky linky link link | 02:58 |
_Enchained | it's a gimp plugin | 02:58 |
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_Enchained | no problem making the source pkg... I think it's near ok | 02:58 |
Mez | raphink, did you break linitan | 02:58 |
raphink | no | 02:59 |
Mez | lintian reported no errors for that | 02:59 |
Mez | weird | 02:59 |
Mez | _Enchained, see | 02:59 |
raphink | I didn't touch lintian | 02:59 |
Mez | http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/greycstoration-0701170615/linda | 02:59 |
_Enchained | thx Mez | 02:59 |
_Enchained | hum ok it's a "" | 03:00 |
_Enchained | I should remove it from the description ? | 03:00 |
Mez | yes ... | 03:00 |
_Enchained | (it's a french name with a "" in it) | 03:00 |
_Enchained | ok | 03:00 |
Mez | use an e :P | 03:00 |
_Enchained | yes | 03:00 |
raphink | a ne devrait pas poser de problme _Enchained | 03:01 |
raphink | si c'est bien encod | 03:01 |
_Enchained | I look at it.. | 03:01 |
_Enchained | (lintian didn't said anything about this) | 03:01 |
raphink | if lintian said everything linda says, there would be no point in developping both | 03:02 |
_Enchained | ? not understood | 03:04 |
Mez | raphink, pourquoi la rponse en franais ? | 03:04 |
raphink | pourquoi pas ;) | 03:04 |
_Enchained | english here ;) | 03:04 |
raphink | _Enchained: si lintian disait la mme chose que linda, il n'y aurait pas d'intrt dvelopper les deux | 03:04 |
raphink | bah ;) | 03:04 |
_Enchained | meanwhile I'm french too ^ | 03:04 |
Mez | persia, it's not installing the menu files | 03:04 |
_Enchained | ok raphink | 03:04 |
persia | raphink: | 03:07 |
raphink | oh good news | 03:07 |
persia | Mez: The menu file, or the .desktop file? | 03:07 |
Mez | both | 03:08 |
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Mez | actually where does the "menu" goe? | 03:08 |
persia | Mez: Could you put the .diff.gz and .dsc somewhere? I'll take a closer look as to why you see that behaviour. | 03:08 |
persia | Mez: /usr/share/menu/nostromo.menu. Don't manually install this, just put the contents in debian/menu, and dh_installmenu takes care of it. | 03:09 |
_Enchained | Mez: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4091 updated | 03:09 |
Mez | the menu is installing | 03:10 |
Mez | but not the .desktop | 03:10 |
persia | Mez: The .desktop should be being installed by the combination of debian/install and dh_install. Could you paste these files? I'll take a look. | 03:11 |
persia | Mez: (rules, install) | 03:11 |
Mez | one sec | 03:11 |
Mez | http://rafb.net/paste/ | 03:12 |
Mez | http://rafb.net/p/vm2UPg77.html | 03:12 |
Mez | http://rafb.net/p/yYr7eX30.html | 03:13 |
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Mez | debian/nostromo.desktop usr/share/applciations | 03:14 |
Mez | I cant type | 03:14 |
persia | Mez: One of us mispelled applications :) | 03:14 |
persia | Mez: You might also try moving nostromo_container_script to nostromo, and using install to drop it in usr/bin. | 03:15 |
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Mez | persia, the reason I did it that way was because when it builds - it installs to debian/nostromo/* | 03:16 |
Mez | ;) | 03:16 |
persia | Mez: Ah. In that case, nevermind (some packages use debian/tmp, etc.). | 03:16 |
Mez | persia: other than that- looks good :D | 03:17 |
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persia | Mez: Personally, I'd move the config.sub and config.guess copy stanza to configure and delete in clean to make for cleaner debdiffs, but that's just me. | 03:18 |
Mez | *shrugs* | 03:18 |
Mez | add it as a comment in the revu upload | 03:18 |
Mez | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4092 | 03:19 |
Mez | actually I see what you mean | 03:19 |
_Enchained | Mez: (greystoration updated) | 03:23 |
_Enchained | greycstoration* | 03:23 |
Mez | why the B-D on autotools-dev ? | 03:24 |
persia | Mez: Without that, config.sub and config.guess don't exist, so they cannot be copied. | 03:24 |
_Enchained | Mez: doesn't needed ? (it was by default) | 03:25 |
Mez | shouldnt have been by default | 03:25 |
Mez | nothing should do it by default | 03:25 |
_Enchained | ok ^^ | 03:25 |
Mez | persia, was that about a-d ? | 03:25 |
_Enchained | well, by default > with dh_make | 03:25 |
Mez | _Enchained, ignore me | 03:26 |
persia | Mez: Yes. autotools-dev provides config.sub and config.guess. | 03:26 |
_Enchained | :x ok | 03:26 |
Mez | my fault | 03:27 |
Mez | "touch $@" ? | 03:29 |
persia | Mez: nostromo: /usr/doc -> /usr/share/doc | 03:29 |
Mez | grr | 03:29 |
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Mez | anythings else ? | 03:34 |
_Enchained | Mez: sometimes, autotools-dev is not needed ? | 03:34 |
_Enchained | (I think it's the case for mine) | 03:35 |
Mez | It depends on whats done | 03:35 |
_Enchained | it seems to build without... | 03:35 |
Mez | _Enchained, then probably doesnt need it | 03:35 |
_Enchained | ok | 03:35 |
Mez | persia, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4094 | 03:37 |
Mez | persia, just pinged off an email to upstread | 03:39 |
_Enchained | updated : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4095 | 03:39 |
Mez | upstream * | 03:39 |
Mez | _Enchained, does it build against main or does it need to be universe? | 03:40 |
_Enchained | what's the difference ? | 03:41 |
Mez | not much | 03:41 |
Mez | just means I use a different pbuild ;) | 03:41 |
persia | Mez: nostromo: invoke-rc.d (policy 9.3.3.2). Also, it doesn't work for me. | 03:41 |
_Enchained | I don't know... | 03:41 |
_Enchained | I thinked for universe | 03:42 |
Mez | persia: doesnt work for you how? | 03:42 |
_Enchained | (main are packaged by ubuntu dev no?) | 03:42 |
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Adri2000 | main/restricted -> ubuntu-core-dev | 03:43 |
Adri2000 | universe/multiverse -> ubuntu-dev | 03:43 |
_Enchained | Adri2000: but I'm not an ubuntu-dev ... | 03:44 |
Adri2000 | _Enchained: you meant ubuntu developers maybe? | 03:44 |
persia | Mez: No applet loads, and all the configuration options are grey. I have a nostromo_n50.pid file in the directory I happened to be in when I installed it, and the contents are not a number (l). | 03:44 |
Mez | _Enchained, dont worry | 03:44 |
Mez | persia, ... out of curiosyt | 03:44 |
Mez | can you paste the output of ls -la /dev/input | 03:45 |
_Enchained | Mez: maybe I should fix the "" in copyright too ?... | 03:45 |
Mez | _Enchained, sure, why not ;) | 03:45 |
Mez | copyright is ok | 03:45 |
Mez | control is more important | 03:45 |
_Enchained | and add email addresses I've forgotten :x | 03:45 |
persia | Mez: http://rafb.net/p/KtWcBG79.html | 03:46 |
Mez | and does running | 03:46 |
Mez | nostromo_daemon | 03:46 |
Mez | from the command line work? | 03:46 |
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Mez | persia, you should see something in your notification area | 03:47 |
persia | Mez: no output. No icon in the panel, no change in control-center behaviour. | 03:48 |
Mez | persia: cat /proc/bus/input/devices | 03:48 |
persia | Mez: http://rafb.net/p/Q9sF6g98.html | 03:50 |
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Mez | persia... very very very strange | 03:50 |
Mez | persia, lsmod evdev | 03:51 |
Mez | sorry | 03:51 |
Mez | lsmod | grep evdev | 03:51 |
persia | Mez: installed. Nothing depends on it. | 03:52 |
Mez | hmm | 03:52 |
Mez | grr | 03:52 |
Mez | your setup should work | 03:52 |
Mez | it works for me! | 03:52 |
Mez | and your setup mirrors mind | 03:52 |
Mez | mine * | 03:52 |
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sdfgsdfgsgf | hi all | 04:28 |
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bddebian | Hey | 04:36 |
crimsun | the deity himself. | 04:36 |
bddebian | Not me man | 04:36 |
bddebian | I've removed myself for now | 04:38 |
crimsun | going to bask in paradise? | 04:39 |
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bddebian | crimsun: Nah, waiting until I can meet ajmitch's standards | 04:40 |
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Lutin | hi bddebian | 04:46 |
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bddebian | Hi Lutin | 04:55 |
Lutin | bddebian: thanks for your comment on mlt :) I fixed it | 04:58 |
Lutin | if you have some time to look at it again :) | 04:59 |
bddebian | Lutin: I've been demoted, ajmitch will look at it for you | 05:03 |
Lutin | bddebian: oh :o | 05:03 |
Lutin | why ? | 05:03 |
chillywilly | bddebian: your revu privileges have been hereby revoked ;) | 05:04 |
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crimsun | ugh, 79665 has an ugly Icon location in the .desktop | 05:11 |
crimsun | I'll poke persia about that | 05:12 |
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Mez | lmao | 05:32 |
Mez | poor persia | 05:32 |
bddebian | ? | 05:32 |
Mez | the ".desktop" guru it seems | 05:33 |
Enverex | hmm, I uploaded uade and ccd2iso to REVU absoloutely ages ago, waited a few months and gave up after no comments, now they don't seem to be on there at all... | 05:34 |
Enverex | Oh, and e-uae | 05:34 |
Enverex | ah, e-uae is there, the other two arn't | 05:34 |
bddebian | Enverex: If they were old and not updated, they were probably archived | 05:34 |
Adri2000 | bddebian: have you found out what you did wrong according to ajmitch? | 05:34 |
bddebian | Adri2000: Nope | 05:34 |
Adri2000 | :-/ | 05:35 |
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crimsun | bddebian: you failed to enumerate the Ubuntu delta | 05:37 |
bddebian | crimsun: On which package? | 05:37 |
crimsun | some merge | 05:37 |
Adri2000 | argh | 05:37 |
Adri2000 | crimsun: then it's me | 05:38 |
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bddebian | crimsun: Was it msttcorefonts? | 05:40 |
crimsun | bddebian: yes | 05:40 |
crimsun | (so it wasn't your fault) | 05:40 |
crimsun | you can poke Adri2000 with a dead pony | 05:41 |
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bddebian | crimsun: No it, was my fault. I checked the changelog. Not sure how I missed that. | 05:41 |
crimsun | well, at least you weren't scolded by infinity for a merge or broke the toolchain for edgy | 05:42 |
crimsun | (both of which I've awesomely done) | 05:42 |
bddebian | Wait a minute, what's wrong with it? That's how they have been getting brought in? | 05:43 |
crimsun | wrong with what? | 05:43 |
bddebian | Incorrectly I agree but it's consistent | 05:43 |
bddebian | 1.7ubuntu1 | 05:43 |
crimsun | no | 05:44 |
crimsun | 1.7ubuntu1 and 1.6ubuntu1 should list your changes from 1.5ubuntu1 | 05:45 |
crimsun | it takes up more space, yes, but that's proper | 05:45 |
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LaserJock | you guys better watch out if I ever learn to like email | 05:46 |
sharms | ha | 05:46 |
bddebian | crimsun: Ahh, OK, I gotcha | 05:47 |
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crimsun | LaserJock: we have killfiles. | 05:48 |
crimsun | which, well, work amazingly for ubuntu-users | 05:48 |
LaserJock | crimsun: but of course everything I say is so worthwile and full of wisdom ;-) | 05:48 |
LaserJock | how could you miss out on that? ;-) | 05:49 |
crimsun | duh, you're 1/3 of the trinity | 05:49 |
LaserJock | bah | 05:49 |
crimsun | you Think and It Is | 05:49 |
LaserJock | unfortunately that is not so | 05:49 |
LaserJock | or there would be some big changes around here :-) | 05:49 |
crimsun | gotta be careful not to mold us after your own image, eh? | 05:50 |
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bddebian | heh | 05:51 |
LaserJock | crimsun: something like that :-) | 05:52 |
LaserJock | bah, I'm still not getting my own emails from lists I don't think :( | 05:53 |
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Toadstool | g'morning everybody | 05:53 |
fernando | Toadstool: moin | 05:53 |
bddebian | Heya Toadstool | 05:54 |
Toadstool | hi bddebian, fernando | 05:54 |
Adri2000 | crimsun: I didn't paste the ubuntu changes for these two changelogs, because the changes were specified a few lines above and debian only did translation changes (so it was clear that it had nothing to do with the ubuntu changes). Now I know I have to do it *always*, so I will. | 05:55 |
LaserJock | hmm, if uploads gave karma I think doko would be near the top | 05:57 |
LaserJock | between OO.o and "lets rebuild the world" sprints :-) | 05:57 |
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Toadstool | heh | 06:01 |
imbrandon | LaserJock, hehe | 06:09 |
imbrandon | LaserJock, and Riddell with rebuildign kde* | 06:09 |
imbrandon | ;) | 06:09 |
LaserJock | imbrandon: yeah, for sure | 06:10 |
sharms | LaserJock: I didn't see the mail yet either | 06:13 |
LaserJock | sharms: mine? | 06:13 |
sharms | yup | 06:13 |
sharms | oh nvm it was in a thread | 06:13 |
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chillywilly | been googling for a while but does anyone know how to enable the lm-sensors MIB when running snmpd? | 06:45 |
chillywilly | under edgy | 06:45 |
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bddebian | Gah, Feisty install can't mount my USB CD-ROM.. :-( | 07:08 |
Toadstool | fix it! :) | 07:12 |
bddebian | Toadstool: I freakin' hate USB :-( | 07:12 |
Toadstool | heh | 07:12 |
bddebian | I don't even know how a USB devices shows up in /dev :-( | 07:13 |
imbrandon | bddebian, mostly /dev/sd* | 07:13 |
Toadstool | some kind of kernel/udev magic? | 07:14 |
Toadstool | that's all I know :p | 07:14 |
bddebian | Well I have sda1 and sda2 | 07:17 |
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Laser_away | anybody noticed not being able to login with gdm? | 07:29 |
Laser_away | in feisty | 07:29 |
Q-FUNK | yup | 07:29 |
Laser_away | hmm, I can't find a bug report | 07:30 |
Laser_away | surely there is one | 07:30 |
Q-FUNK | and in edgy too, since some components were recently updated. automated login suddenyl fails | 07:30 |
fowlduck- | no one could log in to file it ;) | 07:30 |
Laser_away | Q-FUNK: well, mine isn't automated login | 07:30 |
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Laser_away | well, maybe it's just me | 07:33 |
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bigon | Hi, I have added myself on the ubuntu contributor team, could you resync the keyring? thanks :) | 07:41 |
bddebian | OK afaict dmesg shows the CD on /dev/sg1 but I can't mount it | 07:41 |
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lasindi | Hi all, I was wondering, are there any plans to include VirtualBox in Feisty, as it's now open source? | 08:26 |
afflux | I'm not shure if this is the right place to ask, but: is there any special reason why there is no "truecrypt"-package? | 08:26 |
imbrandon | lasindi, if someone takes the time to package it and have it reviewed then possibly | 08:27 |
imbrandon | afflux, see whgat i said about virtualbox | 08:27 |
somerville32 | LaserJock, link? | 08:28 |
somerville32 | err... | 08:28 |
somerville32 | lasindi, link? | 08:28 |
lasindi | imbrandon: The Truecrypt project has already produced packages for Dapper and Edgy, so the packaging part is done. Who needs to review it? | 08:28 |
lasindi | somerville32: http://www.virtualbox.org | 08:29 |
afflux | alright. Am I allowed to package this on my own using the wiki? | 08:29 |
imbrandon | afflux, yes | 08:29 |
imbrandon | lasindi, REVU | 08:29 |
afflux | alright. I'm gonna try. | 08:30 |
zul | ajmitch: ping | 08:30 |
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somerville32 | lasindi, They only provide binary packages so we'll have to create our own | 08:31 |
zul | somerville32: umm...no they have a svn | 08:32 |
imbrandon | zul, but the packageing isnt included in the svn | 08:33 |
imbrandon | ;) | 08:33 |
imbrandon | e.g. the debian/ | 08:33 |
zul | meh.. | 08:33 |
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somerville32 | lasindi, They only provide binary packages so we'll have to create our own | 08:33 |
somerville32 | Also, I'm not so sure about uploading an svn snapshot - could be interesting, lol | 08:34 |
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lasindi | somerville32: well, they do have source code releases, so why would we need an svn snapshot? | 08:36 |
somerville32 | Where are they? | 08:37 |
lasindi | http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads.php | 08:37 |
lasindi | Select "Other (source code)" from the drop down menu | 08:37 |
imbrandon | he is refering to vbox | 08:37 |
lasindi | Ohh | 08:37 |
imbrandon | somerville32, i have it debianized, i'll upload something for tseting in a few | 08:38 |
imbrandon | testing* | 08:38 |
somerville32 | imbrandon, cool :) | 08:38 |
lasindi | Are you talking about vbox or truecrypt? | 08:38 |
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imbrandon | lasindi, vbox, truecrypt you or other interested parties will have to debianize it , put it on revu and go from there | 08:39 |
lasindi | Okay, I've only done one Debian package in the past, but I'll give it a try with vbox. | 08:41 |
bigon | is there any revu.tauware.de admin here? | 08:41 |
imbrandon | lasindi, as i said i have vbox debianized already , just test compiling it | 08:41 |
lasindi | Ah | 08:41 |
lasindi | In that case, I'll try Truecrypt | 08:42 |
imbrandon | bigon, there are a few ;) what do you need ? | 08:42 |
bigon | imbrandon: syncing the keyring (I have added myself to the revu group) and remove some files in incoming | 08:43 |
lasindi | imbrandon: I am running Edgy, by the way; should I be doing this on Feisty or is there a possibility of it going into Edgy? | 08:44 |
imbrandon | lasindi, you shoudl be doing it in a feisty pbuilder, the host env dosent matter much | 08:45 |
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imbrandon | bigon, ajmitch or siretart will have to do that when they are arround ( not atm afaik ) | 08:45 |
bigon | imbrandon: thx | 08:45 |
trappist | I've got a fixy patch on bug #78993 - could somebody take a look? | 08:46 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 78993 in mrxvt "transparency setting/option not respected" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78993 | 08:46 |
ajmitch | bigon: tell us what files, and we can do it | 08:46 |
bigon | ajmitch: libcm_0.1.1-0ubuntu1.* | 08:47 |
ajmitch | ok.. | 08:47 |
ajmitch | bigon: done | 08:54 |
imbrandon | heya ajmitch | 08:55 |
ajmitch | hello imbrandon | 09:01 |
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bigon | ajmitch: thx | 09:06 |
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zul | ajmitch: ping same place as before | 09:28 |
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bddebian | Jeff! | 09:34 |
jbailey | Heya Barry. =) | 09:34 |
jbailey | siretart: Around? =) | 09:34 |
LaserJock | goodness, *the* Jeff Bailey in #ubuntu-motu? ;-) | 09:35 |
jbailey | LaserJock: I've been known to visit here occasionally. Just not recently ;) | 09:35 |
ajmitch | LaserJock: apparantly so | 09:36 |
ajmitch | hello jeff | 09:36 |
LaserJock | has your wife had her baby yet? I can't remember this things | 09:36 |
jbailey | IIRC, I hung out here a little longer than I hung out on #ubuntu-devel ;) | 09:36 |
zul | hi jeff | 09:36 |
jbailey | LaserJock: Nope, not yet. | 09:36 |
jbailey | LaserJock: We're still a month off. | 09:36 |
LaserJock | ah | 09:36 |
jbailey | Heya Chuck | 09:36 |
jbailey | (et. all) | 09:36 |
zul | how is everything | 09:37 |
joejaxx | well flash 9 has been released | 09:38 |
joejaxx | for linux | 09:38 |
ajmitch | queue the bug reports | 09:40 |
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crimsun | Adri2000: thanks. | 09:46 |
crimsun | ajmitch: yeah, I've my pointy stick on hand | 09:46 |
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mdke | hi chaps | 09:50 |
mdke | I wanted to talk about dvds | 09:50 |
mdke | you probably know that debian have removed the install-css script from libdvdread3 | 09:51 |
mdke | we need to find a solution to this | 09:51 |
mdke | either by replacing it, or shipping another package, I'd like to talk this over with someone, who's good? | 09:51 |
crimsun | well, all of us for some subset of the possible resolutions. | 09:53 |
mdke | crimsun: what do you think is a good solution? | 09:53 |
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crimsun | ideally we'd chunk libdvdcss source into multiverse | 09:53 |
mdke | in a separate package? | 09:54 |
crimsun | import the source from debian-multimedia | 09:54 |
crimsun | an alternative would be to see if we can use whatever Fluendo provides (if they have licensed the tech) | 09:54 |
mdke | what do you mean by source? | 09:54 |
crimsun | http://debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/libd/libdvdcss/libdvdcss_1.2.9.orig.tar.gz http://debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/libd/libdvdcss/libdvdcss_1.2.9-0.0.diff.gz http://debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/libd/libdvdcss/libdvdcss_1.2.9-0.0.dsc | 09:55 |
mdke | not shipping a binary package? | 09:55 |
Sp4rKy | please, in {pre,post}{inst,rm} script, does the shebang must be #!/bin/sh or can it be bash ? | 09:55 |
crimsun | we need the source to build the binaries. | 09:55 |
mdke | crimsun: ok, misunderstood you. | 09:55 |
Sp4rKy | to avoid bashism ? | 09:55 |
crimsun | Sp4rKy: if it needs to be /bin/bash, then it needs to be /bin/bash. | 09:55 |
Sp4rKy | ok | 09:56 |
mdke | crimsun: I agree that shipping a libdvdcss package in multiverse is a good solution | 09:56 |
Sp4rKy | thx crimsun | 09:56 |
mdke | are there any reasons not to just do it? | 09:56 |
crimsun | mdke: the existing ones include "we don't know if we can" | 09:56 |
mdke | crimsun: right. I have some suggestions on that. | 09:56 |
crimsun | mdke: see the relatively recent removal of acroread 7.0.9 from feisty for an example | 09:56 |
siretart | jbailey: right now, yes | 09:57 |
mdke | they essentially involve ignoring the issue | 09:57 |
jbailey | siretart: Heya! Daniel mentioned that you might have a bzr-buildpackage type of thing and suggented that I ask you about it. | 09:57 |
siretart | jbailey: yes, I uploaded it yesterday to ubuntu | 09:57 |
siretart | jbailey: it is described here: http://wiki.debian.org/BzrBuildpackage/ and discussed here: http://wiki.debian.org/BzrBuildpackage/DesignIdeas | 09:58 |
jbailey | Nice! | 09:58 |
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siretart | implemented as bzr plugin, with a small shell wrapper called 'bzr-buildpackage', which just does 'exec bzr bd $*' | 09:58 |
jbailey | We have a bunch of the toolchain stuff in bzr. | 09:59 |
jbailey | So it would be nice to have this tool for that. | 09:59 |
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siretart | jbailey: feel free to contribute a branch here: https://code.launchpad.net/bzr-builddeb/ | 09:59 |
siretart | :) | 09:59 |
siretart | jelmer said yesterday, that he could package things like charm with his bzr-svn plugin, where the upstream branch is actually in svn, and his debian/ dir with packaging in bzr | 10:00 |
jbailey | Ahah, nice. | 10:03 |
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jbailey | Cool, so I'll play with this a bug, then. | 10:03 |
jbailey | Thanks! | 10:03 |
doko | hmm, are MOTUs allowed to approve packages for multiverse? | 10:05 |
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LaserJock | doko: yes | 10:05 |
crimsun | well, do you mean ACCEPT in soyuz? | 10:06 |
LaserJock | oh, wait. I missread approve as upload | 10:06 |
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ausimage | Hello I was wondering what might be the status of packaging flash-nonfree 9,0,31. I am still experiencing issues with 9,0,28... | 10:14 |
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ajmitch | ausimage: it's already been uploaded | 10:15 |
ausimage | good.... thanks | 10:15 |
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ajmitch | bah | 10:15 |
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ajmitch | such a shame it's still only for x86 :) | 10:15 |
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jbailey | ajmitch: I'm having good luck with gnash. | 10:19 |
jbailey | The development rate on it is *quite* high. | 10:19 |
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jbailey | Lat update I did, I couldn't do youtube, but I could do some video things, and I could work my way around some websites. | 10:19 |
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ajmitch | that's good, we really do need a free flash player | 10:23 |
ajmitch | and now we're much closer to having free java browser plugins as well | 10:24 |
jbailey | gcjwebplugin also works remarkably well. | 10:25 |
jbailey | i don't have enough time to test gnash updates and upload them, but it would be nice to upload snapshots occasionally to Ubuntu. | 10:25 |
jbailey | I'd rather put work into a nightly snapshot package for it. | 10:25 |
jbailey | I'm not sure how much use a ppc gnash package would be to other people, though ;) | 10:26 |
ajmitch | I'm sure a few people would use it :) | 10:26 |
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jbailey | What's the right way to request package removal? bzrk and olive are now cruft. | 10:39 |
siretart | jbailey: file a bug and subscribe 'ubuntu-archive' | 10:39 |
ajmitch | siretart can type faster than I.. | 10:39 |
siretart | ;) | 10:39 |
jbailey | Cool, thanks. =) | 10:39 |
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siretart | python django or python turbo gears? | 10:40 |
ajmitch | I haven't used either :) | 10:40 |
ajmitch | so I've only heard the hype about both | 10:40 |
ajmitch | I've heard django is fairly good | 10:41 |
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siretart | turbogears seems to be longer in debian, though | 10:41 |
sharms | Guido endorces django | 10:43 |
sharms | although both look nice, I trust the creator of python :) | 10:43 |
ajmitch | or you could go with zope ;) | 10:44 |
_Enchained | good night all | 10:45 |
ajmitch | night _Enchained | 10:45 |
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_Enchained | (for those who are near) | 10:46 |
bddebian | Why is Mithrandir the only archive guy atm? | 10:52 |
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ajmitch | because the others are busy/away | 10:55 |
bddebian | Hmm | 10:56 |
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bddebian | This oughta be interesting. Dapper Edubuntu -> Edgy Ubuntu -> Feisty :-) | 11:03 |
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joejaxx | interesting | 11:15 |
joejaxx | flash9 does not support Opera | 11:15 |
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crimsun | ...? | 11:17 |
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rexbron | bddebian: I addressed crimsun's conserns. Could you look at murrine, upid 4099 | 11:29 |
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bddebian | No way man, I'm scared of crimsun and ajmitch now | 11:34 |
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ajmitch | I'll leave, then you won't need to be scared of me | 11:34 |
bddebian | ajmitch: No, sounds like I need to leave since I make so many mistakes apparently | 11:34 |
Kyral | bddebian is GOD :P | 11:35 |
bddebian | not hardly man | 11:36 |
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Kyral | *shrug* What do I know I'm just a washed up former Maintainter :P | 11:36 |
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allee | hi MOTUs. Digikam*-doc did not make it into dapper (they are in edgy, feist). Is this important enough to request a backport (no changes needed). Bug 57833 | 11:39 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 57833 in digikam "digikam has missing documentation" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57833 | 11:39 |
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ScottK | bddebian: OK, not God, but still very good to have around. | 11:43 |
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allee | hi Tonio | 11:43 |
allee | Tonio_: have you seen the reminder for bug 73617 | 11:45 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 73617 in digikam "SRU proposal" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73617 | 11:45 |
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Tonio_ | allee: I tried to ping mdz on that point without success..... | 11:46 |
Tonio_ | I'll probably retry tomorrow, thanks for the tip | 11:47 |
allee | k, thx | 11:47 |
Tonio_ | allee: although I'll have to sync with debian first :) | 11:47 |
Tonio_ | allee: aware of debtags or not ? | 11:47 |
Tonio_ | I need to rebuild the package but I have a problem to reapply autogen.sh | 11:47 |
allee | Tonio_: I know, but never used them | 11:47 |
Tonio_ | requires svn access | 11:47 |
allee | Tonio_: which pkg? | 11:48 |
bddebian | ScottK: Bah, you're just saying that so I'll review your stuff ;-P | 11:48 |
Tonio_ | allee: debtags | 11:48 |
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Tonio_ | allee: autogen.sh performs this : | 11:49 |
Tonio_ | svn cat svn+ssh://svn.debian.org/svn/debtags/tagdb/tags | tagcoll copy | gzip -9 > tags-current.gz | 11:49 |
Tonio_ | asking for a password here..... | 11:49 |
allee | Tonio_: a there anonymous access afaik. checking ... | 11:50 |
Tonio_ | I tried anonymous but without success | 11:50 |
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allee | Tonio_: try svn://svn.debian.org/... this does not ask a pasword | 11:51 |
ScottK | bddebian: No, I'm saying it because you DO review my stuff. I feel like I'm making good progress here and you help is a very significant part of that. | 11:52 |
Tonio_ | allee: looks like working indeed......... strange | 11:54 |
ScottK | you/your... | 11:54 |
allee | Tonio_: the ssh+svn mean loging via ssh and start an svn client (like rsync does) | 11:55 |
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allee | Tonio_: I assume you need some SVN_* or ~/.subversion config to set you default user | 11:55 |
allee | ... to get svn+ssh url working | 11:56 |
Tonio_ | allee: well I should be fine fixing debtags with just svn:/ | 11:56 |
allee | Tonio_: I strip also the first svn from path. that works here: svn cat svn://svn.debian.org/svn/debtags/tagdb/tags | 11:57 |
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Tonio_ | allee: yeah that's what I did | 11:57 |
allee | as well as svn cat svn://svn.debian.org/debtags/tagdb/tags | 11:57 |
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