| cbx33 | ogra, sorry to hear the news | 12:23 |
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| LaserJock | yeah | 12:23 |
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| cbx33 | ogra, if you get a sec check out the new vnc code ;) | 12:24 |
| cbx33 | nn | 12:24 |
| cbx33 | I'm whacked | 12:24 |
| cbx33 | and ill | 12:24 |
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| xp_prg | I am trying to ssh -X into my edubuntu | 12:47 |
| xp_prg | when I try to run an xwindows app it says display is not set, how can this be? | 12:48 |
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| LaserJock | xp_prg: hmm, you might have to check the sshd conf | 12:48 |
| xp_prg | I did, X11Fowarding is set to yes | 12:49 |
| LaserJock | shouldn't make a difference buy have you tried -Y | 12:52 |
| xp_prg | how do I try that? | 12:54 |
| LaserJock | instead of -X use -Y | 12:55 |
| xp_prg | LaserJock , I am trying to isntall vmware server, it needs the kernel /usr/src/linux/include | 12:57 |
| xp_prg | what is the package I need to install to get that? | 12:57 |
| LaserJock | I think the kernel headers | 12:57 |
| xp_prg | the -Y did not work | 12:57 |
| LaserJock | xp_prg: I think apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` should work | 12:58 |
| LaserJock | to get the headers | 12:59 |
| xp_prg | ok trying with apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.17-10-generic | 12:59 |
| xp_prg | do you know what directory it puts those headers in? | 01:00 |
| LaserJock | /usr/src/linux/include I think | 01:02 |
| xp_prg | wow the vmware script says that the include kenerl files don't match the current running os | 01:03 |
| xp_prg | even though it is the same | 01:03 |
| LaserJock | uname -r gives you 2.6.17-10-generic? | 01:03 |
| xp_prg | yes | 01:04 |
| LaserJock | hmmm, odd | 01:04 |
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| chovy | any idea how big a drive I need (realistically) for a full install of edubuntu? | 03:46 |
| LaserJock | 3-5GB | 03:47 |
| chovy | damn | 03:47 |
| LaserJock | how much have you got? | 03:47 |
| chovy | 2gb | 03:47 |
| LaserJock | well, technically I think you can do it | 03:47 |
| chovy | heh | 03:48 |
| LaserJock | but there wouldn't be room for much of anything | 03:48 |
| chovy | yeah | 03:48 |
| chovy | know where to get dirt-cheap ide drives? | 03:48 |
| LaserJock | well, newegg.com isn't too bad | 03:48 |
| LaserJock | I just got a nice 160GB Seagate for about $50USD | 03:49 |
| chovy | heh. | 03:50 |
| chovy | that's like putting a ferrari engine in a gold cart | 03:50 |
| chovy | i'm frankensteining a computer from old parts for my wife's school librarian. | 03:51 |
| chovy | i'll check CL | 03:51 |
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| dabaR | ogra: really touching story about Fred. It reminds me that my dog is disabled, and she was always runing around really hapily... | 03:56 |
| LaserJock | s/act | 03:59 |
| LaserJock | bah | 03:59 |
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| cbx33 | msg nickserv identify mircpass | 10:00 |
| cbx33 | whoops | 10:01 |
| cbx33 | time to password change | 10:01 |
| willvdl | cbx33! | 10:16 |
| willvdl | bank details :) | 10:17 |
| cbx33 | oh yeh.... | 10:20 |
| cbx33 | sorry forgot about that.... | 10:20 |
| cbx33 | who should I send them to? | 10:20 |
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| highvoltage | heya bdbbbdebian | 03:56 |
| bddebian | Heh, heya highvoltage | 03:59 |
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| meshezabeel | I middle-dragged the 3 menus to the right of the launcher icons in the top tool bar, now I can't get those 3 menus (Applications, Places, System) back to the left. Any idea how? | 04:34 |
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| sbalneav | Morning all | 05:29 |
| Laser_away | hi sbalneav | 05:31 |
| sbalneav | Hey Laser_away | 05:31 |
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| cbx33 | ping ogra | 08:35 |
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| cbx33 | hey LaserJock | 08:43 |
| highvoltage | hey cbx33 | 08:45 |
| cbx33 | hey highvoltage | 08:45 |
| cbx33 | howz it going? | 08:46 |
| LaserJock | hi cbx33 | 08:49 |
| LaserJock | cbx33: I figured out how to set up apache on my home server last night | 08:52 |
| cbx33 | nice | 08:52 |
| cbx33 | with php5? | 08:52 |
| LaserJock | well, how to do it while only letting my home network and uni network have access | 08:53 |
| cbx33 | ahh nice | 08:53 |
| LaserJock | I'm a little more security-minded these days | 08:53 |
| stgraber | using apache or iptables for the filtering thing ? | 08:53 |
| LaserJock | so it's not on :80 and I limit IPs | 08:54 |
| cbx33 | ahh | 08:54 |
| cbx33 | cool | 08:54 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: apache so far | 08:54 |
| cbx33 | cool | 08:54 |
| stgraber | k | 08:54 |
| cbx33 | firestarter is pretty cool | 08:54 |
| LaserJock | I'm behind a DSL router | 08:54 |
| stgraber | personally I moved to a : VPN -> home network | 08:54 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 08:54 |
| cbx33 | alright smarty pants | 08:54 |
| cbx33 | ;) | 08:54 |
| stgraber | it's easier if you can | 08:54 |
| LaserJock | so I'm only letting in 2 ports to my server | 08:54 |
| stgraber | 22+your custom port I guess | 08:55 |
| LaserJock | I haven't done PHP yet ( I don't think) | 08:56 |
| cbx33 | heh | 08:56 |
| LaserJock | I did install the svn and python mods | 08:56 |
| cbx33 | LaserJock, do you have a list of all the educational apps in universe? | 08:57 |
| cbx33 | ahh cool | 08:57 |
| cbx33 | svn over https is wicked cool | 08:57 |
| LaserJock | I don't know PHP so unless I want to install something like a wiki I don't have a need for it | 08:57 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 08:57 |
| LaserJock | and I could even you Moin for a wiki and be PHPless | 08:58 |
| LaserJock | PHP and MySQL scare me stil | 08:58 |
| stgraber | They are use everywhere and then are the usual target for the "hackers", I think PHP+MySQL are really powerful for the webpages but you really need to take care of the security | 09:00 |
| cbx33 | moin is awesome | 09:00 |
| sbalneav | I'm scared of quicksand myself. :) | 09:00 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 09:00 |
| cbx33 | LaserJock, do you have a list? | 09:00 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: that's why I think I'm just going to leave them out unless I really have to | 09:00 |
| sbalneav | Fortunately, it's a good phobia to have, as I very rarely run into it. :) | 09:00 |
| LaserJock | cbx33: it's almost impossible to create such a list, for me | 09:00 |
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| cbx33 | :( | 09:01 |
| cbx33 | i thought you had one? | 09:01 |
| cbx33 | or was that just science | 09:01 |
| cbx33 | do you knwo of any good edu apps? | 09:01 |
| LaserJock | cbx33: the problem is they are scattered all over the repo, and it's sort of a judgment call as to what is educational and what isn't | 09:01 |
| LaserJock | I have a list for Science yes | 09:01 |
| stgraber | LaserJock: Once I decided to count how many times someone (or something in case of a script) is trying to use PHP security issue on my server, it was hundreds of times a day :) | 09:01 |
| LaserJock | and I've been collectiong a list for MIRs | 09:02 |
| cbx33 | it's for the book you see | 09:02 |
| stgraber | but : I don't have PHP as root, I don't allow mail() and my tmp directory are cleaned frequently, ... so no problem so far | 09:02 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: cool | 09:02 |
| LaserJock | cbx33: well, you could email edubuntu-users | 09:03 |
| cbx33 | ok | 09:03 |
| LaserJock | cbx33: here are some resources I used: | 09:04 |
| LaserJock | http://richtech.ca/seul/ | 09:04 |
| LaserJock | http://www.gnomefiles.com/category.php?cat_id=13 | 09:04 |
| LaserJock | http://linuxappfinder.com/education | 09:04 |
| LaserJock | and then some of the apps we are looking to possibly add to Edubuntu are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha/EdubuntuMIRCandidates | 09:05 |
| cbx33 | openuniverse is cool | 09:14 |
| cbx33 | man there are more apps than I ever imagined | 09:15 |
| LaserJock | cbx33: did you see that I just got marble into Feisty the other day for oli? | 09:16 |
| cbx33 | marble? | 09:16 |
| LaserJock | it's a world map thingy | 09:16 |
| LaserJock | like a globe | 09:16 |
| LaserJock | and then you type in a city and it takes you there | 09:17 |
| LaserJock | and you can zoom in and out | 09:17 |
| LaserJock | should be pretty cool for geography | 09:17 |
| cbx33 | like google earth? | 09:17 |
| LaserJock | I haven't tried google earth :/ | 09:17 |
| LaserJock | probably less features | 09:17 |
| cbx33 | sound like google earth | 09:17 |
| LaserJock | but I think it's like that idea | 09:17 |
| cbx33 | ok | 09:17 |
| LaserJock | but it's open source | 09:17 |
| LaserJock | works pretty slick | 09:18 |
| LaserJock | it even had my little town I live in | 09:18 |
| cbx33 | wow | 09:20 |
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| cbx33 | ping ogra | 09:55 |
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| ogra | cbx33, sorry, development team meeting now | 10:00 |
| cbx33 | oh sorry ogra | 10:00 |
| cbx33 | can I mail you a few questions about the book | 10:00 |
| ogra | ok | 10:00 |
| cbx33 | did you get qa chance to try out the vnc yet was the only other question | 10:01 |
| ogra | nop | 10:02 |
| cbx33 | ok | 10:02 |
| cbx33 | ogra, will we know pretty much after the sprint which specs will be in and which won't? | 10:24 |
| ogra | yep | 10:24 |
| cbx33 | ok | 10:25 |
| cbx33 | that makes me feel a little easier | 10:25 |
| cbx33 | I'll be LTCMing tomrorow, I hope to add the blanking system.... | 10:25 |
| cbx33 | are we confirmed moving to a icon toolbar at the top for LTCM? | 10:25 |
| ogra | i think so ... | 10:26 |
| cbx33 | ok | 10:26 |
| cbx33 | sorry I'll leave you be now.... | 10:27 |
| cbx33 | I'm just getting less and less time to discuss things.... | 10:27 |
| cbx33 | so I have to do it in chunks | 10:27 |
| cbx33 | would appreciate a test of the vnc to see if you concur as to it's suitability | 10:27 |
| LaserJock | cbx33: what are you using for vnc server? | 10:28 |
| cbx33 | it will be x11vnc on the nfs roots iirc | 10:28 |
| cbx33 | for the python viewer I'm using a hacked up version of RedHat's virt-manager | 10:28 |
| cbx33 | sound good? | 10:33 |
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| LaserJock | is the vnc server on the LTSP server or on the actual client? | 10:35 |
| cbx33 | on the client | 10:35 |
| cbx33 | iirc | 10:35 |
| LaserJock | why wouldn't it be on the server? | 10:35 |
| cbx33 | the spec should explain it | 10:35 |
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| cbx33 | well this way it allows multiple server implementtaiton | 10:36 |
| LaserJock | wouldn't that still be the case if you vnced from the server | 10:36 |
| cbx33 | well hmm | 10:36 |
| cbx33 | yes | 10:36 |
| cbx33 | srry I'm tired ;) | 10:36 |
| LaserJock | np | 10:36 |
| cbx33 | I'm sure there's a reason | 10:36 |
| cbx33 | ogra will know | 10:36 |
| cbx33 | read the spec to see if it's in there | 10:36 |
| cbx33 | I've not got to that bit yet | 10:37 |
| LaserJock | I was just thinking of vnc'ing from a client that is actually running on the server | 10:37 |
| ogra | the x11vnc server runs n the client, attached to DISPLAY=:0.0 | 10:37 |
| LaserJock | why not use vino straight from the server? | 10:37 |
| ogra | the vnc client connects to the thin client so you can see whats on the screen there | 10:37 |
| ogra | we wouldnt be able to have tiled overviews of the classroom for example ... | 10:38 |
| LaserJock | but shouldn't you be able to get the from the server directly too? :/ | 10:38 |
| ogra | vino would have to be started externally | 10:38 |
| LaserJock | s/the/that/ | 10:38 |
| ogra | sure | 10:38 |
| cbx33 | ogra, I'm going for this tomorrow, GUI redesign, blanking of screens, generalisation, adding tab for processview/vnc view | 10:39 |
| ogra | you can run vino and connect to the client IP as well if you know the password SCP generated | 10:39 |
| cbx33 | currently I'm goign to make it look at 4 screens only | 10:39 |
| LaserJock | hmm, just seems like you are doubling the traffic if the client is getting everything from the server anyway | 10:39 |
| cbx33 | it will only have 4 vnc sessions running at anyone time | 10:40 |
| LaserJock | but I'm certainly no LTSP or server expert | 10:40 |
| ogra | but you cant connect to the running ssh tunnel in a sane way | 10:40 |
| ogra | you need the contents of the client display ... | 10:40 |
| LaserJock | ogra: will you need anything from me for edubuntu-on-2-cds next week? | 10:40 |
| ogra | i dont know any way around connecting to the thin client | 10:40 |
| ogra | a list would be nice | 10:41 |
| cbx33 | ogra, 4 vnc's shouldn't be crippling | 10:41 |
| cbx33 | shuold it? | 10:41 |
| ogra | how's the MIR situation ? | 10:41 |
| ogra | cbx33, no idea, test it | 10:41 |
| cbx33 | heh | 10:41 |
| LaserJock | ogra: well, I was sort of expecting more feedback (as usual) | 10:41 |
| cbx33 | will try, but I have a lot of work to do before I get to that stage | 10:41 |
| LaserJock | ogra: but I can take the list I have on the wiki page and start digging material for MIRs and toss out any obvious problem packages | 10:41 |
| ogra | good | 10:42 |
| ogra | that should be a start | 10:42 |
| LaserJock | it might be mostly science for the first go around | 10:42 |
| LaserJock | as there are a lot to choose from and seem to be fairly in demand | 10:42 |
| ogra | apart from that it seems there are many people intrested in herd testing at the forums .... | 10:42 |
| ogra | probably we can get more feedback from there | 10:42 |
| cbx33 | ogra can we set the default options for the x11vnc server to be low quality and high encoding? | 10:42 |
| ogra | sure | 10:43 |
| LaserJock | hmm, should I open a thread on the "Education and Science" subforum? | 10:43 |
| ogra | just give me the parameters you want, i will add them to the initscript | 10:43 |
| ogra | LaserJock, good idea | 10:43 |
| LaserJock | ogra: ok, will do | 10:43 |
| cbx33 | ok, ogra, is herd 2 working well enough for edubuntu | 10:44 |
| cbx33 | in other words...can I install a test environmen | 10:44 |
| cbx33 | and install x11vnc in the nfs root | 10:44 |
| ogra | i'm fine with any list you give me for the start ... the rest of the CD will be stuffed with langpacks | 10:44 |
| cbx33 | and get this thing tested? | 10:44 |
| ogra | sure | 10:44 |
| cbx33 | ok | 10:44 |
| ogra | herd2 worked fine for me during testing | 10:44 |
| cbx33 | I'll hack up all I can without it....and then run it to fix it up | 10:44 |
| LaserJock | ogra: how much room do you think langpacks will take? | 10:44 |
| cbx33 | my laptop can't support vmware you see | 10:45 |
| ogra | LaserJock, all thats left | 10:45 |
| cbx33 | so I have to do all that type of stuff on my desktop at home | 10:45 |
| LaserJock | ogra: heh, ok | 10:45 |
| ogra | i will just fill them up | 10:45 |
| cbx33 | but most of my dev work takes place on the car journey to and from work | 10:45 |
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| ogra | even though we need to decide about winFOSS .... | 10:45 |
| LaserJock | ogra: I'm sure there will be many South Americans loving you for Feisty | 10:45 |
| ogra | we could put some windows apps n it as well | 10:45 |
| ogra | and asians | 10:46 |
| LaserJock | is the Ubuntu winFOSS also on Edubuntu? | 10:46 |
| ogra | no, but if we have space left i'm fine to consider it for the second CD | 10:46 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I've never been a big fan of it, but some people seem to be :-) | 10:46 |
| cbx33 | people at BETT would have been if I could give it to them on CD | 10:47 |
| ogra | well, richEd wants to promote win/linux interoperability with edubuntu | 10:47 |
| ogra | winfoss helps there | 10:47 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I would just think that a seperate CD is the way to go there | 10:48 |
| LaserJock | instead of taking up 50-60MB on an installation CD | 10:48 |
| cbx33 | ogra is the filter high/low proority on the spec? | 10:48 |
| ogra | high | 10:48 |
| ogra | you said its trivial | 10:49 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 10:49 |
| cbx33 | yes i did didn't i | 10:49 |
| cbx33 | oh heck I'll try to implement everything | 10:49 |
| cbx33 | may need a little bit of help from you on some bits but I'll do my best to get everything done | 10:50 |
| ogra | we'll go with what you got by feature freeze ... just make sure to produce no regressions in functionallity | 10:50 |
| cbx33 | how could I regress it? | 10:52 |
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| cbx33 | it's only gonna move forward | 10:52 |
| cbx33 | ;) | 10:52 |
| cbx33 | ogra for now at least, the vnc stuff will be gnome only | 10:55 |
| cbx33 | its all gtk based | 10:55 |
| cbx33 | and tbph I'm not well up enough on it to make it generic | 10:56 |
| ogra | ok | 10:56 |
| cbx33 | i may be able to for feisty + 1 | 10:56 |
| cbx33 | but it's gonna mean hacking up the virt-manager vnc stuff to be generic | 10:56 |
| ogra | keep that in the frontend then and QT needs to find its own solution | 10:56 |
| cbx33 | yes | 10:56 |
| cbx33 | ok | 10:56 |
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| cbx33 | ogra, how will the locking screen be handled if they are running a kde environment? | 10:59 |
| cbx33 | for now the backend will assume gnoe | 11:00 |
| ogra | then you need to add a kscreensaver patch they send you | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | ogra: hmm, interesting news regarding kwii | 11:04 |
| LaserJock | kwwii rather | 11:04 |
| ogra | yes | 11:04 |
| ogra | seems it makes more sense than last minute outsourcing | 11:05 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I'd much rather see him working on it then just some guy off the streat ;-) | 11:06 |
| LaserJock | *street, I can't spell today | 11:06 |
| ajmitch | ogra: what are your plans for edubuntu-network-auth-* next week, and what do you need? | 11:06 |
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| LaserJock | hmmm, now I'm confused as to Canonical structure and what it means WRT Ubuntu | 11:09 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: it's always a confusion | 11:09 |
| ogra | ajmitch, actually i still need to package the smbldap scripts | 11:10 |
| ogra | all i should need then is slapd and edsadmin | 11:11 |
| ogra | the latter is a bit tricky, there are license files missing | 11:11 |
| ogra | need to talk to upstream | 11:11 |
| ogra | my main work will be debconf scripting | 11:11 |
| ajmitch | yeah, I want to see what you need preseeded for the client, so I can hack that in ASAP :) | 11:12 |
| ajmitch | seems like it'll be a wet weekend here, perfect for hacking | 11:12 |
| === ajmitch loves summer.. | ||
| ogra | we're currently being blown off the face of the earth | 11:13 |
| ogra | up to 200km/h winds here | 11:13 |
| ajmitch | wow | 11:13 |
| ogra | and 11C | 11:13 |
| ogra | in january its usually -5 or colder and surely not windy at all | 11:14 |
| ajmitch | about 20C here | 11:14 |
| LaserJock | bah | 11:15 |
| ajmitch | you have plans for the e-n-a-client spec next week? | 11:15 |
| LaserJock | it's about -5C or so here | 11:15 |
| ogra | not really ... i'll need to look into the pieces again ... i focused on the python-ltsp stuff recently | 11:15 |
| ajmitch | ok | 11:16 |
| ogra | i plan to attack it during the week though | 11:17 |
| ajmitch | I'll be around if you want help with some parts of it | 11:17 |
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| ogra | the last week somehow threw me behind schedule, i have to get that straight again ... | 11:18 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: heh, wanna help me do some MIRs? :-) | 11:18 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: for what? | 11:19 |
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| LaserJock | ajmitch: oh, like 20 or so educational apps | 11:19 |
| ajmitch | should only take you a few minutes | 11:20 |
| ajmitch | trying to fill up the 2nd cd? :) | 11:20 |
| LaserJock | well, kinda | 11:20 |
| LaserJock | ogra's gong to be the one doing most of the filling (with lang packs) | 11:20 |
| LaserJock | *going | 11:20 |
| ogra | no | 11:20 |
| ogra | i'm going to fill all the *remaining* space with langpacks | 11:21 |
| LaserJock | I don't think I can get 700MB worth of edu apps in Main for feisty ;-) | 11:21 |
| ogra | they are and wll alsways be the gap filling pieces, but the second CD is for the apps first place | 11:21 |
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