[12:23] <cbx33> ogra, sorry to hear the news
[12:23] <LaserJock> yeah
[12:24] <cbx33> ogra, if you get a sec check out the new vnc code ;)
[12:24] <cbx33> nn
[12:24] <cbx33> I'm whacked
[12:24] <cbx33> and ill
[12:47] <xp_prg> I am trying to ssh -X into my edubuntu
[12:48] <xp_prg> when I try to run an xwindows app it says display is not set, how can this be?
[12:48] <LaserJock> xp_prg: hmm, you might have to check the sshd conf
[12:49] <xp_prg> I did, X11Fowarding is set to yes
[12:52] <LaserJock> shouldn't make a difference buy have you tried -Y
[12:54] <xp_prg> how do I try that?
[12:55] <LaserJock> instead of -X use -Y
[12:57] <xp_prg> LaserJock , I am trying to isntall vmware server, it needs the kernel /usr/src/linux/include
[12:57] <xp_prg> what is the package I need to install to get that?
[12:57] <LaserJock> I think the kernel headers
[12:57] <xp_prg> the -Y did not work
[12:58] <LaserJock> xp_prg: I think apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` should work
[12:59] <LaserJock> to get the headers
[12:59] <xp_prg> ok trying with apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.17-10-generic
[01:00] <xp_prg> do you know what directory it puts those headers in?
[01:02] <LaserJock>  /usr/src/linux/include I think
[01:03] <xp_prg> wow the vmware script says that the include kenerl files don't match the current running os
[01:03] <xp_prg> even though it is the same
[01:03] <LaserJock> uname -r gives you 2.6.17-10-generic?
[01:04] <xp_prg> yes
[01:04] <LaserJock> hmmm, odd
[03:46] <chovy> any idea how big a drive I need (realistically) for a full install of edubuntu?
[03:47] <LaserJock> 3-5GB
[03:47] <chovy> damn
[03:47] <LaserJock> how much have you got?
[03:47] <chovy> 2gb
[03:47] <LaserJock> well, technically I think you can do it
[03:48] <chovy> heh
[03:48] <LaserJock> but there wouldn't be room for much of anything
[03:48] <chovy> yeah
[03:48] <chovy> know where to get dirt-cheap ide drives?
[03:48] <LaserJock> well, newegg.com isn't too bad
[03:49] <LaserJock> I just got a nice 160GB Seagate for about $50USD
[03:50] <chovy> heh.
[03:50] <chovy> that's like putting a ferrari engine in a gold cart
[03:51] <chovy> i'm frankensteining a computer from old parts for my wife's school librarian.
[03:51] <chovy> i'll check CL
[03:56] <dabaR> ogra: really touching story about Fred. It reminds me that my dog is disabled, and she was always runing around really hapily...
[03:59] <LaserJock> s/act
[03:59] <LaserJock> bah
[10:00] <cbx33> msg nickserv identify mircpass
[10:01] <cbx33> whoops
[10:01] <cbx33> time to password change
[10:16] <willvdl> cbx33!
[10:17] <willvdl> bank details :)
[10:20] <cbx33> oh yeh....
[10:20] <cbx33> sorry forgot about that....
[10:20] <cbx33> who should I send them to?
[03:53] <bddebian> Heya
[03:56] <highvoltage> heya bdbbbdebian
[03:59] <bddebian> Heh, heya highvoltage
[04:34] <meshezabeel> I middle-dragged the 3 menus to the right of the launcher icons in the top tool bar, now I can't get those 3 menus (Applications, Places, System) back to the left. Any idea how?
[05:17] <toosa>  /msg NickServ help
[05:29] <sbalneav> Morning all
[05:31] <Laser_away> hi sbalneav
[05:31] <sbalneav> Hey Laser_away
[08:35] <cbx33> ping ogra
[08:43] <cbx33> hey LaserJock
[08:45] <highvoltage> hey cbx33
[08:45] <cbx33> hey highvoltage
[08:46] <cbx33> howz it going?
[08:49] <LaserJock> hi cbx33
[08:52] <LaserJock> cbx33: I figured out how to set up apache on my home server last night
[08:52] <cbx33> nice
[08:52] <cbx33> with php5?
[08:53] <LaserJock> well, how to do it while only letting my home network and uni network have access
[08:53] <cbx33> ahh nice
[08:53] <LaserJock> I'm a little more security-minded these days
[08:53] <stgraber> using apache or iptables for the filtering thing ?
[08:54] <LaserJock> so it's not on :80 and I limit IPs
[08:54] <cbx33> ahh
[08:54] <cbx33> cool
[08:54] <LaserJock> stgraber: apache so far
[08:54] <cbx33> cool
[08:54] <stgraber> k
[08:54] <cbx33> firestarter is pretty cool
[08:54] <LaserJock> I'm behind a DSL router
[08:54] <stgraber> personally I moved to a : VPN -> home network
[08:54] <cbx33> hehe
[08:54] <cbx33> alright smarty pants
[08:54] <cbx33> ;)
[08:54] <stgraber> it's easier if you can
[08:54] <LaserJock> so I'm only letting in 2 ports to my server
[08:55] <stgraber> 22+your custom port I guess
[08:56] <LaserJock> I haven't done PHP yet ( I don't think)
[08:56] <cbx33> heh
[08:56] <LaserJock> I did install the svn and python mods
[08:57] <cbx33> LaserJock, do you have a list of all the educational apps in universe?
[08:57] <cbx33> ahh cool
[08:57] <cbx33> svn over https is wicked cool
[08:57] <LaserJock> I don't know PHP so unless I want to install something like a wiki I don't have a need for it
[08:57] <cbx33> hehe
[08:58] <LaserJock> and I could even you Moin for a wiki and be PHPless
[08:58] <LaserJock> PHP and MySQL scare me stil
[09:00] <stgraber> They are use everywhere and then are the usual target for the "hackers", I think PHP+MySQL are really powerful for the webpages but you really need to take care of the security
[09:00] <cbx33> moin is awesome
[09:00] <sbalneav> I'm scared of quicksand myself. :)
[09:00] <cbx33> hehe
[09:00] <cbx33> LaserJock, do you have a list?
[09:00] <LaserJock> stgraber: that's why I think I'm just going to leave them out unless I really have to
[09:00] <sbalneav> Fortunately, it's a good phobia to have, as I very rarely run into it. :)
[09:00] <LaserJock> cbx33: it's almost impossible to create such a list, for me
[09:01] <cbx33> :(
[09:01] <cbx33> i thought you had one?
[09:01] <cbx33> or was that just science
[09:01] <cbx33> do you knwo of any good edu apps?
[09:01] <LaserJock> cbx33: the problem is they are scattered all over the repo, and it's sort of a judgment call as to what is educational and what isn't
[09:01] <LaserJock> I have a list for Science yes
[09:01] <stgraber> LaserJock: Once I decided to count how many times someone (or something in case of a script) is trying to use PHP security issue on my server, it was hundreds of times a day :)
[09:02] <LaserJock> and I've been collectiong a list for MIRs
[09:02] <cbx33> it's for the book you see
[09:02] <stgraber> but : I don't have PHP as root, I don't allow mail() and my tmp directory are cleaned frequently, ... so no problem so far
[09:02] <LaserJock> stgraber: cool
[09:03] <LaserJock> cbx33: well, you could email edubuntu-users
[09:03] <cbx33> ok
[09:04] <LaserJock> cbx33: here are some resources I used:
[09:04] <LaserJock>  http://richtech.ca/seul/
[09:04] <LaserJock> http://www.gnomefiles.com/category.php?cat_id=13
[09:04] <LaserJock> http://linuxappfinder.com/education
[09:05] <LaserJock> and then some of the apps we are looking to possibly add to Edubuntu are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha/EdubuntuMIRCandidates
[09:14] <cbx33> openuniverse is cool
[09:15] <cbx33> man there are more apps than I ever imagined
[09:16] <LaserJock> cbx33: did you see that I just got marble into Feisty the other day for oli?
[09:16] <cbx33> marble?
[09:16] <LaserJock> it's a world map thingy
[09:16] <LaserJock> like a globe
[09:17] <LaserJock> and then you type in a city and it takes you there
[09:17] <LaserJock> and you can zoom in and out
[09:17] <LaserJock> should be pretty cool for geography
[09:17] <cbx33> like google earth?
[09:17] <LaserJock> I haven't tried google earth :/
[09:17] <LaserJock> probably less features
[09:17] <cbx33> sound like google earth
[09:17] <LaserJock> but I think it's like that idea
[09:17] <cbx33> ok
[09:17] <LaserJock> but it's open source
[09:18] <LaserJock> works pretty slick
[09:18] <LaserJock> it even had my little town I live in
[09:20] <cbx33> wow
[09:55] <cbx33> ping ogra
[10:00] <ogra> cbx33, sorry, development team meeting now
[10:00] <cbx33> oh sorry ogra
[10:00] <cbx33> can I mail you a few questions about the book
[10:00] <ogra> ok
[10:01] <cbx33> did you get qa chance to try out the vnc yet was the only other question
[10:02] <ogra> nop
[10:02] <cbx33> ok
[10:24] <cbx33> ogra, will we know pretty much after the sprint which specs will be in and which won't?
[10:24] <ogra> yep
[10:25] <cbx33> ok
[10:25] <cbx33> that makes me feel a little easier
[10:25] <cbx33> I'll be LTCMing tomrorow, I hope to add the blanking system....
[10:25] <cbx33> are we confirmed moving to a icon toolbar at the top for LTCM?
[10:26] <ogra> i think so ...
[10:26] <cbx33> ok
[10:27] <cbx33> sorry I'll leave you be now....
[10:27] <cbx33> I'm just getting less and less time to discuss things....
[10:27] <cbx33> so I have to do it in chunks
[10:27] <cbx33> would appreciate a test of the vnc to see if you concur as to it's suitability
[10:28] <LaserJock> cbx33: what are you using for vnc server?
[10:28] <cbx33> it will be x11vnc on the nfs roots iirc
[10:28] <cbx33> for the python viewer I'm using a hacked up version of RedHat's virt-manager
[10:33] <cbx33> sound good?
[10:35] <LaserJock> is the vnc server on the LTSP server or on the actual client?
[10:35] <cbx33> on the client
[10:35] <cbx33> iirc
[10:35] <LaserJock> why wouldn't it be on the server?
[10:35] <cbx33> the spec should explain it
[10:36] <cbx33> well this way it allows multiple server implementtaiton
[10:36] <LaserJock> wouldn't that still be the case if you vnced from the server
[10:36] <cbx33> well hmm
[10:36] <cbx33> yes
[10:36] <cbx33> srry I'm tired ;)
[10:36] <LaserJock> np
[10:36] <cbx33> I'm sure there's a reason
[10:36] <cbx33> ogra will know
[10:36] <cbx33> read the spec to see if it's in there
[10:37] <cbx33> I've not got to that bit yet
[10:37] <LaserJock> I was just thinking of vnc'ing from a client that is actually running on the server
[10:37] <ogra> the x11vnc server runs n the client, attached to DISPLAY=:0.0
[10:37] <LaserJock> why not use vino straight from the server?
[10:37] <ogra> the vnc client connects to the thin client so you can see whats on the screen there
[10:38] <ogra> we wouldnt be able to have tiled overviews of the classroom for example ...
[10:38] <LaserJock> but shouldn't you be able to get the from the server directly too? :/
[10:38] <ogra> vino would have to be started externally
[10:38] <LaserJock> s/the/that/
[10:38] <ogra> sure
[10:39] <cbx33> ogra, I'm going for this tomorrow, GUI redesign, blanking of screens, generalisation, adding tab for processview/vnc view
[10:39] <ogra> you can run vino and connect to the client IP as well if you know the password SCP generated
[10:39] <cbx33> currently I'm goign to make it look at 4 screens only
[10:39] <LaserJock> hmm, just seems like you are doubling the traffic if the client is getting everything from the server anyway
[10:40] <cbx33> it will only have 4 vnc sessions running at anyone time
[10:40] <LaserJock> but I'm certainly no LTSP or server expert
[10:40] <ogra> but you cant connect to the running ssh tunnel in a sane way
[10:40] <ogra> you need the contents of the client display ...
[10:40] <LaserJock> ogra: will you need anything from me for edubuntu-on-2-cds next week?
[10:40] <ogra> i dont know any way around connecting to the thin client
[10:41] <ogra> a list would be nice
[10:41] <cbx33> ogra, 4 vnc's shouldn't be crippling
[10:41] <cbx33> shuold it?
[10:41] <ogra> how's the MIR situation ?
[10:41] <ogra> cbx33, no idea, test it
[10:41] <cbx33> heh
[10:41] <LaserJock> ogra: well, I was sort of expecting more feedback (as usual)
[10:41] <cbx33> will try, but I have a lot of work to do before I get to that stage
[10:41] <LaserJock> ogra: but I can take the list I have on the wiki page and start digging material for MIRs and toss out any obvious problem packages
[10:42] <ogra> good
[10:42] <ogra> that should be a start
[10:42] <LaserJock> it might be mostly science for the first go around
[10:42] <LaserJock> as there are a lot to choose from and seem to be fairly in demand
[10:42] <ogra> apart from that it seems there are many people intrested in herd testing at the forums ....
[10:42] <ogra> probably we can get more feedback from there
[10:42] <cbx33> ogra can we set the default options for the x11vnc server to be low quality and high encoding?
[10:43] <ogra> sure
[10:43] <LaserJock> hmm, should I open a thread on the "Education and Science" subforum?
[10:43] <ogra> just give me the parameters you want, i will add them to the initscript
[10:43] <ogra> LaserJock, good idea
[10:43] <LaserJock> ogra: ok, will do
[10:44] <cbx33> ok, ogra, is herd 2 working well enough for edubuntu
[10:44] <cbx33> in other words...can I install a test environmen
[10:44] <cbx33> and install x11vnc in the nfs root
[10:44] <ogra> i'm fine with any list you give me for the start ... the rest of the CD will be stuffed with langpacks
[10:44] <cbx33> and get this thing tested?
[10:44] <ogra> sure
[10:44] <cbx33> ok
[10:44] <ogra> herd2 worked fine for me during testing
[10:44] <cbx33> I'll hack up all I can without it....and then run it to fix it up
[10:44] <LaserJock> ogra: how much room do you think langpacks will take?
[10:45] <cbx33> my laptop can't support vmware you see
[10:45] <ogra> LaserJock, all thats left
[10:45] <cbx33> so I have to do all that type of stuff on my desktop at home
[10:45] <LaserJock> ogra: heh, ok
[10:45] <ogra> i will just fill them up
[10:45] <cbx33> but most of my dev work takes place on the car journey to and from work
[10:45] <ogra> even though we need to decide about winFOSS ....
[10:45] <LaserJock> ogra: I'm sure there will be many South Americans loving you for Feisty
[10:45] <ogra> we could put some windows apps n it as well
[10:46] <ogra> and asians
[10:46] <LaserJock> is the Ubuntu winFOSS also on Edubuntu?
[10:46] <ogra> no, but if we have space left i'm fine to consider it for the second CD
[10:46] <LaserJock> hmm, I've never been a big fan of it, but some people seem to be :-)
[10:47] <cbx33> people at BETT would have been if I could give it to them on CD
[10:47] <ogra> well, richEd wants to promote win/linux interoperability with edubuntu
[10:47] <ogra> winfoss helps there
[10:48] <LaserJock> yeah, I would just think that a seperate CD is the way to go there
[10:48] <LaserJock> instead of taking up 50-60MB on an installation CD
[10:48] <cbx33> ogra is the filter high/low proority on the spec?
[10:48] <ogra> high
[10:49] <ogra> you said its trivial
[10:49] <cbx33> hehe
[10:49] <cbx33> yes i did didn't i
[10:49] <cbx33> oh heck I'll try to implement everything
[10:50] <cbx33> may need a little bit of help from you on some bits but I'll do my best to get everything done
[10:50] <ogra> we'll go with what you got by feature freeze ... just make sure to produce no regressions in functionallity
[10:52] <cbx33> how could I regress it?
[10:52] <cbx33> it's only gonna move forward
[10:52] <cbx33> ;)
[10:55] <cbx33> ogra for now at least, the vnc stuff will be gnome only
[10:55] <cbx33> its all gtk based
[10:56] <cbx33> and tbph I'm not well up enough on it to make it generic
[10:56] <ogra> ok
[10:56] <cbx33> i may be able to for feisty + 1
[10:56] <cbx33> but it's gonna mean hacking up the virt-manager vnc stuff to be generic
[10:56] <ogra> keep that in the frontend then and QT needs to find its own solution
[10:56] <cbx33> yes
[10:56] <cbx33> ok
[10:59] <cbx33> ogra, how will the locking screen be handled if they are running a kde environment?
[11:00] <cbx33> for now the backend will assume gnoe
[11:02] <ogra> then you need to add a kscreensaver patch they send you
[11:04] <LaserJock> ogra: hmm, interesting news regarding kwii
[11:04] <LaserJock> kwwii rather
[11:04] <ogra> yes
[11:05] <ogra> seems it makes more sense than last minute outsourcing
[11:06] <LaserJock> yeah, I'd much rather see him working on it then just some guy off the streat ;-)
[11:06] <LaserJock> *street, I can't spell today
[11:06] <ajmitch> ogra: what are your plans for edubuntu-network-auth-* next week, and what do you need?
[11:09] <LaserJock> hmmm, now I'm confused as to Canonical structure and what it means WRT Ubuntu
[11:09] <ajmitch> LaserJock: it's always a confusion
[11:10] <ogra> ajmitch, actually i still need to package the smbldap scripts
[11:11] <ogra> all i should need then is slapd and edsadmin
[11:11] <ogra> the latter is a bit tricky, there are license files missing
[11:11] <ogra> need to talk to upstream
[11:11] <ogra> my main work will be debconf scripting
[11:12] <ajmitch> yeah, I want to see what you need preseeded for the client, so I can hack that in ASAP :)
[11:12] <ajmitch> seems like it'll be a wet weekend here, perfect for hacking
[11:13] <ogra> we're currently being blown off the face of the earth
[11:13] <ogra> up to 200km/h winds here
[11:13] <ajmitch> wow
[11:13] <ogra> and 11C
[11:14] <ogra> in january its usually -5 or colder and surely not windy at all
[11:14] <ajmitch> about 20C here
[11:15] <LaserJock> bah
[11:15] <ajmitch> you have plans for the e-n-a-client spec next week?
[11:15] <LaserJock> it's about -5C or so here
[11:15] <ogra> not really ... i'll need to look into the pieces again ... i focused on the python-ltsp stuff recently
[11:16] <ajmitch> ok
[11:17] <ogra> i plan to attack it during the week though
[11:17] <ajmitch> I'll be around if you want help with some parts of it
[11:18] <ogra> the last week somehow threw me behind schedule, i have to get that straight again ...
[11:18] <LaserJock> ajmitch: heh, wanna help me do some MIRs? :-)
[11:19] <ajmitch> LaserJock: for what?
[11:19] <LaserJock> ajmitch: oh, like 20 or so educational apps
[11:20] <ajmitch> should only take you a few minutes
[11:20] <ajmitch> trying to fill up the 2nd cd? :)
[11:20] <LaserJock> well, kinda
[11:20] <LaserJock> ogra's gong to be the one doing most of the filling (with lang packs)
[11:20] <LaserJock> *going
[11:20] <ogra> no
[11:21] <ogra> i'm going to fill all the *remaining* space with langpacks
[11:21] <LaserJock> I don't think I can get 700MB worth of edu apps in Main for feisty ;-)
[11:21] <ogra> they are and wll alsways be the gap filling pieces, but the second CD is for the apps first place