[12:23] ogra, sorry to hear the news [12:23] yeah === Rondom [n=Rondom@p57A96AB1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:24] ogra, if you get a sec check out the new vnc code ;) [12:24] nn [12:24] I'm whacked [12:24] and ill === xp_prg [i=[mSNOQ3M@bolt.sonic.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:47] I am trying to ssh -X into my edubuntu [12:48] when I try to run an xwindows app it says display is not set, how can this be? === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu [12:48] xp_prg: hmm, you might have to check the sshd conf [12:49] I did, X11Fowarding is set to yes [12:52] shouldn't make a difference buy have you tried -Y [12:54] how do I try that? [12:55] instead of -X use -Y [12:57] LaserJock , I am trying to isntall vmware server, it needs the kernel /usr/src/linux/include [12:57] what is the package I need to install to get that? [12:57] I think the kernel headers [12:57] the -Y did not work [12:58] xp_prg: I think apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` should work [12:59] to get the headers [12:59] ok trying with apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.17-10-generic [01:00] do you know what directory it puts those headers in? [01:02] /usr/src/linux/include I think [01:03] wow the vmware script says that the include kenerl files don't match the current running os [01:03] even though it is the same [01:03] uname -r gives you 2.6.17-10-generic? [01:04] yes [01:04] hmmm, odd === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #edubuntu === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.48.78.117] has joined #edubuntu === pitux [n=pitux@68-95-20-190.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === freet15 [n=freet15@61.48.78.117] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === chovy [n=Unknown@adsl-75-24-93-128.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:46] any idea how big a drive I need (realistically) for a full install of edubuntu? [03:47] 3-5GB [03:47] damn [03:47] how much have you got? [03:47] 2gb [03:47] well, technically I think you can do it [03:48] heh [03:48] but there wouldn't be room for much of anything [03:48] yeah [03:48] know where to get dirt-cheap ide drives? [03:48] well, newegg.com isn't too bad [03:49] I just got a nice 160GB Seagate for about $50USD [03:50] heh. [03:50] that's like putting a ferrari engine in a gold cart [03:51] i'm frankensteining a computer from old parts for my wife's school librarian. [03:51] i'll check CL === dabaR [n=dabaR@wnpgmb09dc1-83-194.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:56] ogra: really touching story about Fred. It reminds me that my dog is disabled, and she was always runing around really hapily... 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[10:17] bank details :) [10:20] oh yeh.... [10:20] sorry forgot about that.... 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Any idea how? === Rondom [n=Rondom@p57A975B1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === meshezabeel [n=student@204.83.37.121] has left #edubuntu [] === sc0tt_ [n=sc0tt@cpc1-stok5-0-0-cust513.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #edubuntu === sc0tt_ is now known as sc0tt === toosa [n=toosa@202.159.11.158] has joined #edubuntu [05:17] /msg NickServ help === linescanner [n=linescan@62.121.26.69] has joined #edubuntu === sc0tt_ [n=sc0tt@cpc1-stok5-0-0-cust513.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #edubuntu === sc0tt_ is now known as sc0tt === edubuntugirl [n=edubuntu@ubuntu/bot/edubuntugirl] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #edubuntu [05:29] Morning all [05:31] hi sbalneav [05:31] Hey Laser_away === toosa [n=toosa@202.159.11.158] has joined #edubuntu === toosa [n=toosa@202.159.11.158] has joined #edubuntu === migi [i=migi@nat/sun/x-b001c829e14a7b4f] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === linescanner [n=linescan@62.121.26.69] has left #edubuntu ["Time] === cbx33 [n=pete@84-45-238-195.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:35] ping ogra === cbx33 [n=pete@84-45-238-195.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock [08:43] hey LaserJock [08:45] hey cbx33 [08:45] hey highvoltage [08:46] howz it going? [08:49] hi cbx33 [08:52] cbx33: I figured out how to set up apache on my home server last night [08:52] nice [08:52] with php5? [08:53] well, how to do it while only letting my home network and uni network have access [08:53] ahh nice [08:53] I'm a little more security-minded these days [08:53] using apache or iptables for the filtering thing ? [08:54] so it's not on :80 and I limit IPs [08:54] ahh [08:54] cool [08:54] stgraber: apache so far [08:54] cool [08:54] k [08:54] firestarter is pretty cool [08:54] I'm behind a DSL router [08:54] personally I moved to a : VPN -> home network [08:54] hehe [08:54] alright smarty pants [08:54] ;) [08:54] it's easier if you can [08:54] so I'm only letting in 2 ports to my server [08:55] 22+your custom port I guess [08:56] I haven't done PHP yet ( I don't think) [08:56] heh [08:56] I did install the svn and python mods [08:57] LaserJock, do you have a list of all the educational apps in universe? [08:57] ahh cool [08:57] svn over https is wicked cool [08:57] I don't know PHP so unless I want to install something like a wiki I don't have a need for it [08:57] hehe [08:58] and I could even you Moin for a wiki and be PHPless [08:58] PHP and MySQL scare me stil [09:00] They are use everywhere and then are the usual target for the "hackers", I think PHP+MySQL are really powerful for the webpages but you really need to take care of the security [09:00] moin is awesome [09:00] I'm scared of quicksand myself. :) [09:00] hehe [09:00] LaserJock, do you have a list? [09:00] stgraber: that's why I think I'm just going to leave them out unless I really have to [09:00] Fortunately, it's a good phobia to have, as I very rarely run into it. :) [09:00] cbx33: it's almost impossible to create such a list, for me === sbalneav listens to "Devo's greatest hits" [09:01] :( [09:01] i thought you had one? [09:01] or was that just science [09:01] do you knwo of any good edu apps? [09:01] cbx33: the problem is they are scattered all over the repo, and it's sort of a judgment call as to what is educational and what isn't [09:01] I have a list for Science yes [09:01] LaserJock: Once I decided to count how many times someone (or something in case of a script) is trying to use PHP security issue on my server, it was hundreds of times a day :) [09:02] and I've been collectiong a list for MIRs [09:02] it's for the book you see [09:02] but : I don't have PHP as root, I don't allow mail() and my tmp directory are cleaned frequently, ... so no problem so far [09:02] stgraber: cool [09:03] cbx33: well, you could email edubuntu-users [09:03] ok [09:04] cbx33: here are some resources I used: [09:04] http://richtech.ca/seul/ [09:04] http://www.gnomefiles.com/category.php?cat_id=13 [09:04] http://linuxappfinder.com/education [09:05] and then some of the apps we are looking to possibly add to Edubuntu are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha/EdubuntuMIRCandidates [09:14] openuniverse is cool [09:15] man there are more apps than I ever imagined [09:16] cbx33: did you see that I just got marble into Feisty the other day for oli? [09:16] marble? [09:16] it's a world map thingy [09:16] like a globe [09:17] and then you type in a city and it takes you there [09:17] and you can zoom in and out [09:17] should be pretty cool for geography [09:17] like google earth? [09:17] I haven't tried google earth :/ [09:17] probably less features [09:17] sound like google earth [09:17] but I think it's like that idea [09:17] ok [09:17] but it's open source [09:18] works pretty slick [09:18] it even had my little town I live in [09:20] wow === n417r4m [n=4782b1ca@ip-64-15-129-196.reverse.privatedns.com] has joined #edubuntu [09:55] ping ogra === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@64.140.73.92] has joined #edubuntu [10:00] cbx33, sorry, development team meeting now [10:00] oh sorry ogra [10:00] can I mail you a few questions about the book [10:00] ok [10:01] did you get qa chance to try out the vnc yet was the only other question [10:02] nop [10:02] ok [10:24] ogra, will we know pretty much after the sprint which specs will be in and which won't? [10:24] yep [10:25] ok [10:25] that makes me feel a little easier [10:25] I'll be LTCMing tomrorow, I hope to add the blanking system.... [10:25] are we confirmed moving to a icon toolbar at the top for LTCM? [10:26] i think so ... [10:26] ok [10:27] sorry I'll leave you be now.... [10:27] I'm just getting less and less time to discuss things.... [10:27] so I have to do it in chunks [10:27] would appreciate a test of the vnc to see if you concur as to it's suitability [10:28] cbx33: what are you using for vnc server? [10:28] it will be x11vnc on the nfs roots iirc [10:28] for the python viewer I'm using a hacked up version of RedHat's virt-manager [10:33] sound good? === LaserJock has to wrap his brain around LTSP again [10:35] is the vnc server on the LTSP server or on the actual client? [10:35] on the client [10:35] iirc [10:35] why wouldn't it be on the server? [10:35] the spec should explain it === jinty [n=jinty@196.207.32.235] has joined #edubuntu [10:36] well this way it allows multiple server implementtaiton [10:36] wouldn't that still be the case if you vnced from the server [10:36] well hmm [10:36] yes [10:36] srry I'm tired ;) [10:36] np [10:36] I'm sure there's a reason [10:36] ogra will know [10:36] read the spec to see if it's in there [10:37] I've not got to that bit yet [10:37] I was just thinking of vnc'ing from a client that is actually running on the server [10:37] the x11vnc server runs n the client, attached to DISPLAY=:0.0 [10:37] why not use vino straight from the server? [10:37] the vnc client connects to the thin client so you can see whats on the screen there [10:38] we wouldnt be able to have tiled overviews of the classroom for example ... [10:38] but shouldn't you be able to get the from the server directly too? :/ [10:38] vino would have to be started externally [10:38] s/the/that/ [10:38] sure [10:39] ogra, I'm going for this tomorrow, GUI redesign, blanking of screens, generalisation, adding tab for processview/vnc view [10:39] you can run vino and connect to the client IP as well if you know the password SCP generated [10:39] currently I'm goign to make it look at 4 screens only [10:39] hmm, just seems like you are doubling the traffic if the client is getting everything from the server anyway [10:40] it will only have 4 vnc sessions running at anyone time [10:40] but I'm certainly no LTSP or server expert [10:40] but you cant connect to the running ssh tunnel in a sane way [10:40] you need the contents of the client display ... [10:40] ogra: will you need anything from me for edubuntu-on-2-cds next week? [10:40] i dont know any way around connecting to the thin client [10:41] a list would be nice [10:41] ogra, 4 vnc's shouldn't be crippling [10:41] shuold it? [10:41] how's the MIR situation ? [10:41] cbx33, no idea, test it [10:41] heh [10:41] ogra: well, I was sort of expecting more feedback (as usual) [10:41] will try, but I have a lot of work to do before I get to that stage [10:41] ogra: but I can take the list I have on the wiki page and start digging material for MIRs and toss out any obvious problem packages [10:42] good [10:42] that should be a start [10:42] it might be mostly science for the first go around [10:42] as there are a lot to choose from and seem to be fairly in demand [10:42] apart from that it seems there are many people intrested in herd testing at the forums .... [10:42] probably we can get more feedback from there [10:42] ogra can we set the default options for the x11vnc server to be low quality and high encoding? [10:43] sure [10:43] hmm, should I open a thread on the "Education and Science" subforum? [10:43] just give me the parameters you want, i will add them to the initscript [10:43] LaserJock, good idea [10:43] ogra: ok, will do [10:44] ok, ogra, is herd 2 working well enough for edubuntu [10:44] in other words...can I install a test environmen [10:44] and install x11vnc in the nfs root [10:44] i'm fine with any list you give me for the start ... the rest of the CD will be stuffed with langpacks [10:44] and get this thing tested? [10:44] sure [10:44] ok [10:44] herd2 worked fine for me during testing [10:44] I'll hack up all I can without it....and then run it to fix it up [10:44] ogra: how much room do you think langpacks will take? [10:45] my laptop can't support vmware you see [10:45] LaserJock, all thats left [10:45] so I have to do all that type of stuff on my desktop at home [10:45] ogra: heh, ok [10:45] i will just fill them up [10:45] but most of my dev work takes place on the car journey to and from work === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu [10:45] even though we need to decide about winFOSS .... [10:45] ogra: I'm sure there will be many South Americans loving you for Feisty [10:45] we could put some windows apps n it as well [10:46] and asians [10:46] is the Ubuntu winFOSS also on Edubuntu? [10:46] no, but if we have space left i'm fine to consider it for the second CD [10:46] hmm, I've never been a big fan of it, but some people seem to be :-) [10:47] people at BETT would have been if I could give it to them on CD [10:47] well, richEd wants to promote win/linux interoperability with edubuntu [10:47] winfoss helps there [10:48] yeah, I would just think that a seperate CD is the way to go there [10:48] instead of taking up 50-60MB on an installation CD [10:48] ogra is the filter high/low proority on the spec? [10:48] high [10:49] you said its trivial [10:49] hehe [10:49] yes i did didn't i [10:49] oh heck I'll try to implement everything [10:50] may need a little bit of help from you on some bits but I'll do my best to get everything done [10:50] we'll go with what you got by feature freeze ... just make sure to produce no regressions in functionallity [10:52] how could I regress it? === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@ubuntu/member/ajmitch] has joined #edubuntu [10:52] it's only gonna move forward [10:52] ;) [10:55] ogra for now at least, the vnc stuff will be gnome only [10:55] its all gtk based [10:56] and tbph I'm not well up enough on it to make it generic [10:56] ok [10:56] i may be able to for feisty + 1 [10:56] but it's gonna mean hacking up the virt-manager vnc stuff to be generic [10:56] keep that in the frontend then and QT needs to find its own solution [10:56] yes [10:56] ok === Zenspirit [n=johan@d54C400A8.access.telenet.be] has joined #edubuntu === Zenspirit [n=johan@d54C400A8.access.telenet.be] has left #edubuntu ["Kopete] [10:59] ogra, how will the locking screen be handled if they are running a kde environment? [11:00] for now the backend will assume gnoe [11:02] then you need to add a kscreensaver patch they send you [11:04] ogra: hmm, interesting news regarding kwii [11:04] kwwii rather [11:04] yes [11:05] seems it makes more sense than last minute outsourcing [11:06] yeah, I'd much rather see him working on it then just some guy off the streat ;-) [11:06] *street, I can't spell today [11:06] ogra: what are your plans for edubuntu-network-auth-* next week, and what do you need? === ajmitch guesses the sprint will generally be in the evening, NZ time [11:09] hmmm, now I'm confused as to Canonical structure and what it means WRT Ubuntu [11:09] LaserJock: it's always a confusion [11:10] ajmitch, actually i still need to package the smbldap scripts [11:11] all i should need then is slapd and edsadmin [11:11] the latter is a bit tricky, there are license files missing [11:11] need to talk to upstream [11:11] my main work will be debconf scripting [11:12] yeah, I want to see what you need preseeded for the client, so I can hack that in ASAP :) [11:12] seems like it'll be a wet weekend here, perfect for hacking === ajmitch loves summer.. [11:13] we're currently being blown off the face of the earth [11:13] up to 200km/h winds here [11:13] wow [11:13] and 11C [11:14] in january its usually -5 or colder and surely not windy at all [11:14] about 20C here [11:15] bah [11:15] you have plans for the e-n-a-client spec next week? [11:15] it's about -5C or so here [11:15] not really ... i'll need to look into the pieces again ... i focused on the python-ltsp stuff recently [11:16] ok [11:17] i plan to attack it during the week though [11:17] I'll be around if you want help with some parts of it === blue-frog [n=bluefrog@dyn-83-152-202-115.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #edubuntu [11:18] the last week somehow threw me behind schedule, i have to get that straight again ... [11:18] ajmitch: heh, wanna help me do some MIRs? :-) [11:19] LaserJock: for what? === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@64.140.73.93] has joined #edubuntu [11:19] ajmitch: oh, like 20 or so educational apps [11:20] should only take you a few minutes [11:20] trying to fill up the 2nd cd? :) [11:20] well, kinda [11:20] ogra's gong to be the one doing most of the filling (with lang packs) [11:20] *going [11:20] no [11:21] i'm going to fill all the *remaining* space with langpacks [11:21] I don't think I can get 700MB worth of edu apps in Main for feisty ;-) [11:21] they are and wll alsways be the gap filling pieces, but the second CD is for the apps first place === highvolt1ge [n=jaagaan@johannesleroux.co.za] has joined #edubuntu