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Tonio_Riddell: looks like fixing the issue12:17
Tonio_Riddell: but autogen.sh should complain when files are missing in the first place ;)12:18
Tonio_crappy12:18
Tonio_Riddell: works this time, and postinst is okay, I'm uploading :)12:19
Riddellyeah, it caught me out too12:19
RiddellTonio_: uploading debtags or adept?12:19
Tonio_Riddell: debtags first, then I'm doing adept12:19
Tonio_Riddell: in fact your issue is that svn+ssh in the scripts don't work12:19
Tonio_you can simply replace by classic svn and run autogen, then modifying the scripts to avoid .diff mess12:20
Tonio_hum no diff file, so maybe you can even simply change the scripts one and for all :)12:20
Tonio_Riddell: Adept fixed, but it is probably better waiting for debtags to be build before upload no ?12:25
RiddellTonio_: should matter12:26
RiddellTonio_: can you get me your debdiff so I can put it in bzr?12:27
Tonio_Riddell: debtags ?12:27
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Tonio_Riddell: debtags or adept debdiff ?12:29
Tonio_adept building for tests before upload...12:30
RiddellTonio_: adept12:33
Tonio_Riddell: sure12:34
Tonio_Riddell: will send it to you once I tested everything ;)12:34
Tonio_Riddell: adept works, I'm uploading and will send you debdiff in 2 minutes12:47
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Riddelltoo late, I'm asleep!12:48
Tonio_Riddell: email then :)12:50
Tonio_Riddell: nite12:51
Tonio_email sent12:51
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Mezdarn02:56
Mezmissed Tonio02:56
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manchickenRiddell: You about?03:12
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Riddellmanchicken|away: I am now12:07
Riddellsilly adsl wasn't working this morning12:07
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Tm_TRiddell: Ping.01:31
Riddellhi Tm_T01:32
Tm_TRiddell: Can you ship 200 Kubuntu and maybe same amount of Ubuntu desktop cds?01:34
Tm_THrr, can't remember english words.01:35
RiddellTm_T: I don't ship CDs, you need to ask shipit01:35
RiddellTm_T: when for?01:35
Tm_TI might need them in 2 weeks, there's large happening in this town, not sure yet if there's already some cd's so I'm checking plan b just to make sure.01:37
Tm_TRiddell: But thanks, I'll ask around.01:37
RiddellTm_T: /msg01:38
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gnomefreakare there repos for 3.5.6 yet? I was told it fixes one of the crashing issues in konquerer01:56
Jucato3.5.6 hasn't been released yet01:57
gnomefreaki know that01:57
Jucatoafaik Riddell packages the KDE updates in kubuntu.org...01:57
gnomefreakwhy does adept-* conflict with apt-index-watcher?02:01
Jucatoit does?02:02
Jucatoiirc they're both installed by default, adept-* and apt-index-watcher02:03
gnomefreakJucato: apt-inex-watcher was removed due to adept upgrades02:04
gnomefreakindex* even02:04
Jucatostrange...02:04
gnomefreakwhen you go to install apt-index-watcher it wants to remove all adept packages02:04
gnomefreakamong a few other packages not related to adept afaict02:05
Riddellgnomefreak: there's a testing one for feisty02:08
Riddellgnomefreak: new adept should be in today to fix that02:08
gnomefreakah ok cool02:09
Jucatohooray for Riddell! :)02:09
gnomefreakwhere can i find the repo for the testing one i looked at kubuntu.org but its not there yet02:09
RiddellJucato: adept was tonio02:10
Jucatooooh.. hooray for Riddell and Tonio then :)02:10
Riddellgnomefreak: deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kde-356-feisty/ feisty main02:10
gnomefreakty02:10
Riddelllet me know how it works02:10
gnomefreakwill do02:10
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gnomefreakRiddell: im guessing kubuntu-desktop was also uploaded to fix the apt-index-watcher conflict. that leaves 2 more packages (i think ubuntu-devels packages) need to be rebuilt ;) thank you03:32
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Riddellgnomefreak: nothing new in kubuntu-desktop03:34
Riddellgnomefreak: what's this about packages needing rebuilt?03:34
gnomefreakRiddell: they all conflict with apt-index-watcher (depends issues) afaik to fix depends the packages need to be rebuilt03:35
Riddellgnomefreak: only debtags and adept depended on apt-index-watcher03:36
gnomefreaki also have kubuntu-desktop and language-selector-qt as conflicts03:37
gnomefreakthis is on 3.5.503:37
gnomefreakthey are removed along with the adept and debtags03:37
gnomefreakRiddell: here is the info on what im talking about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libapt-front/+bug/8042603:40
UbugtuMalone bug 80426 in libapt-front "removal of apt-index-watcher leaves startup links" [Undecided,Confirmed] 03:40
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bddebianHeya03:53
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MidMarkEdgy has freeze problems with dual core?04:08
MidMarksince today that I have a new dual core instead of single core I have a freeze -> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2036/04:08
RiddellMidMark: I've not heard of any such problems04:10
MidMarkRiddell: I'm quite sure that i a dual core problems, because Edgy never freezed like this with single core04:11
sebasNo problems here on AMD X2 and Intel Core Duo.04:17
sebasWhich graphics driver are you using?04:17
manchickenRiddell: Did you get my patch?04:18
sebasNvidia, obviously.04:19
manchickenBinary nvidia drivers can do the whole hanging thing.04:20
manchickenATI ones do it more frequently though.04:20
sebasOr maybe the vmware modules04:21
manchickenEww... who would run a perfectly good Kubuntu install in vmware?04:22
manchickenIt should be free to roam your box, not locked up inside vmware.04:22
manchickenI'm gonna cry now.04:22
Riddellmanchicken: no, where is it?04:23
manchickenRiddell: Sent it over the mailing list (kubuntu-devel) like 2 days ago.04:23
RiddellMutt: ~/mail/inbox [Msgs:16184 New:179604:23
Riddellguess it's somewhere in there :)04:23
manchickenNice.04:24
manchickenKontact supports filters ya know ;)04:24
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Riddellmanchicken: you committed and pushed it to bzr too?04:27
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MidMarksebas: nvidia04:34
MidMarksebas: so drive related?04:34
sebasDunno, try with nv and see if it comes back, then try without the vmware modules, see if it comes back and so on04:34
MidMarkok thanx04:34
sebasIt looks like it's going wrong somewhere in Xorg, so I'd check that first.04:35
MidMarkat the moment it happens only one time04:36
manchickenRiddell: I tried to.  But I went to sftp to my home on bazaar.launchpad.net, and the folders for the branches were there, but they were empty.04:38
Riddellmanchicken: ok, I'll take a look in a bit04:39
manchickenI'm convinced that manchicken is a hard-coded failure case in bazaar ^_^04:39
manchickenif (strcmp(getenv("USER"),"manchicken") == 0) { exit 1; }04:40
manchicken^_^04:40
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fdovingmanchicken: they are supposed to be 'empty'. it's all in .bzr/04:52
manchickenAhhhh..04:52
manchickenNobody tells me this stuff.04:53
manchicken;)04:53
Riddellmanchicken: looking at the patch, how does it actually work out if a package is in main?05:01
fdovingfor example: bzr co sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu05:01
Riddell"p.section(string("/")).find("/") == string::npos" ?05:01
manchickenRiddell: The pattern I noticed is that main packages actually have a section without a prefix and a slash.05:02
Riddellmm, right, so if it's universe/foo then it's not main05:02
manchickene.g., kate is in the "kde" section"05:02
Riddellok, good work batman05:02
manchickenBet your ass it's good work ;)05:02
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manchickenTook me 2 weeks to figure out that we were just overridding the text() method of KListViewItem, and then that I could get away with doing the same for the pixmap() method.05:03
manchickenWe should document that somewhere.05:03
Riddelloh, so that's how it's done05:05
manchickenYup.05:05
Riddellnifty05:05
manchickenQuite clever.05:05
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Riddellkwwii: devel team meeting tonight at 21:00.  you don't have to come but if you've nothing else to do it might be an idea to say what your plans are for the sprint and feisty05:23
Riddellwell, maybe you don't know that until you get there and talk to people05:23
kwwiiRiddell: yeah, I have a meeting with mark and scott on monday to discuss all this, but I will show up anyway05:24
kwwiithat is 21:00 your time, or?05:24
RiddellUTC05:24
Riddell22:00 yours05:24
kwwiicool05:25
kwwiisee you then05:25
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manchickenNice, I tell a guy to paste something in the pastebin in #kubuntu, and he starts pasting in the channel and won't stop.05:51
abattoirmanchicken: that's mostly because he's already pasted, and it takes a long time for everything to be pasted due to the lag05:51
abattoir:)05:52
jdongmanchicken: he probabably started pasting before05:52
manchickenAh.05:52
manchickenDidn't think about that.05:52
jdongheh abattoir beat me05:52
manchickenVery hard to read text files in IRC.05:52
jdongmanchicken: no kidding :)05:52
jdongnot to mention the annoyance level to everyone else :)05:52
manchickenYeah.05:53
manchickenAnnoyance is temporary.05:53
vinboywat font do you guys use for this chatting?05:53
Jucatoalso, once you paste multiple lines, to the one who pasted it, it seems like it shows up all at once. but to others, it seems like hes pasting it line per line and doesnt stop...05:53
vinboyi'm yet to find the best font for this05:53
manchickenIf it actually provided some benefit I could ignore it.05:53
Riddellvinboy: -> #kubuntu05:53
vinboyok05:53
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jdongabattoir: a wild question..... is this forum profile related to you: http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=22094405:55
Riddellmanchicken: adept patch looks good, committed and uploaded, many thanks05:55
manchickenGroovy.05:55
manchickenI still want to do the tooltip.05:56
manchickenBut I probably won't get to that until Saturday.05:56
manchickenBut I wouldn't consider that necessarily a "show-stopper."05:56
Riddellyeah, I can't see an easy way to do that05:56
Riddellbut it must be possible05:56
manchickenEh, qpixmap inherits from qwidget IIRC, so I think I'll just make a hover-over tooltip for it.05:56
manchickenAnd I should probably hit up a documenting-type-person to give me content.05:57
abattoirjdong: no, it's not me05:57
Riddellmanchicken: something else that should be easy but important is to have adept_batch close after it's done installing05:57
manchickenAs I am clueless when it comes to writing copy.05:57
Riddellmanchicken: fancy looking at that too?05:57
manchickenSure.  Got a spec?05:57
manchickenAnd do you consider that higher priority than tooltip?05:58
jdongabattoir: ok good05:58
manchickenI can leave that up to doccer's if you want... but I'd like to communicate what's up to them.05:58
Riddellmanchicken: same spec, feisty adept changes05:58
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abattoirjdong: mine is just abattoir05:58
Riddellmanchicken: it's about the same priority, they're both usability issues05:58
manchickenRiddell: You'll also notice my patch will make it easier to add columns in the future ;)05:58
Riddellmanchicken: I do indeed, you should e-mail it to mornfall too05:58
manchickenI thought he was on kubuntu-devel05:59
Riddelldon't see him05:59
Riddelloh, the mailing list, I doubt he reads it much05:59
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manchickenI'll see if he's on kde-devel06:00
manchickenSeems like he's idling.06:02
Riddellor doing something more important than watching IRC :)06:02
Jucatoheh :)06:03
Jucatolike working06:03
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manchickenWHAT?!  There's something more immportant than watching IRC?06:07
manchickenNobody tells me this stuff.06:08
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kwwiilol07:43
kwwii"just intsall ubuntu-desktop"07:43
kwwiiyeah, only that wants to install another x-server, gdm, etc07:43
nixternalyup :)07:47
nixternalkwwii: that is what you get for using the dark side07:47
manchickenheh07:48
nixternalalthough, this silly logic class using the darkside, that being MS and VB.NET, 2 useless software packages07:48
kwwiilol07:53
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kwwiithat is what I get for trying to earn a living07:53
mhbkwwii: trouble?08:04
kwwiimhb: nothng that amazing, no08:05
kwwiiwow, my wlan works08:05
kwwiihow nice08:05
kwwiimy first laptop in which wlan works without any stress08:05
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kwwiinow I get it...08:08
kwwiino not use adept08:08
kwwiido08:08
kwwiiwhich network manager should one be using in kde?08:09
manchickenI use wifi-radar for wireless management.08:10
manchickenIt's nice.08:10
RadiantFirewireless assistant works fairly well08:10
RadiantFiresometimes...08:10
kwwiihrm08:10
manchickenBut I've had some success with knetworkmanager08:10
RadiantFireI am using knetworkmanager right nwo also08:10
manchickenI've never had luck with wireless assistant.08:10
manchickenBut I only use wifi-radar anymore.08:10
kwwiiand what is network-manager-kde?08:10
RadiantFiresame thing08:10
RadiantFireits an alias or something08:11
manchickenyeah08:11
kwwiigotcha08:11
manchickenThat's the package ^_^08:11
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Riddellkwwii: knetworkmanager08:19
kwwiiRiddell: thanks, got it (and it works!)08:19
kwwiiyippee08:19
kwwiiusing adept seems to hide important console options...scared the life out of me08:19
Riddellkwwii: like what?08:20
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kwwiiwhen I installed ubuntu-desktop is notices that you install gdm as well and offers you the choice of which one to use08:20
kwwiiI saw the first line in adept but couldn't choose and option08:21
kwwiiusing apt it worked08:21
Riddellyes, that's a known problem08:21
RiddellI'm working on it08:21
kwwii;-)08:21
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Tonio_hi all08:37
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Tonio_hey pinheiro ;)08:47
mhbhi Tonio_08:48
Tonio_hi mhb !08:49
Tonio_it is calm here......08:49
mhbTonio_: better than outside08:49
Tonio_time for me to start polishing the kde desktop and settings.....08:49
mhbnasty wind out there08:49
Tonio_mhb: are you german ?08:49
Tonio_if yes the wind you have is the one I had this morning :)08:49
mhbTonio_: czech08:51
mhbTonio_: but yes, it's probably the same one08:51
Tonio_mhb: afaik the wind is going from west to east08:52
Tonio_probably the same indeed08:52
alleeTonio_: mhb has to wait a bit more.  Wind reached now Munich ;)08:54
Tonio_allee: ah... not the same in that case hehe08:55
Tonio_allee: fancy helping me fixing fontconfig ?08:55
Tonio_allee: you were successfull helping me to fix debtags yesterday :)08:55
alleeTonio_:  If you say it, I have to beleave it :)08:56
Tonio_allee: the svn connection was to build a new version of debtags with correct tags in it08:56
Tonio_allee: and has you have much better knowledge of debian access than I do, that helped a lot :)08:56
Tonio_allee: the problem wit fontconfig is that Deja Vu and Sans fonts are broken08:57
Tonio_I'm just having a look08:57
alleeTonio_: fwiw I installed feisty this afternoon and they look clearer than in edgy08:58
allees/they/the default/08:58
Tonio_allee: in fact Deja VU is crappy with size 9, too clear08:58
Tonio_and concerning Sans, it looks like arial for some reason08:59
Tonio_while it is supposed to be carbon copy of deja vu08:59
Tonio_I don't understand the point08:59
alleeTonio_: isn't sans justs an (deprecated) for any font with sans-serif?  (at least fonts.conf claims it)09:07
allees/for/name for/09:07
Tonio_allee: I was talking about the Sans Serif font09:08
Tonio_but I can't the package including this one09:08
Tonio_I'm testing dejavu currently09:09
alleeyeah, I see.09:13
alleeTonio_: uhm, when change to DejaVu, style changes from normal to light despite the fact that normal is available :(09:14
Tonio_allee: yup that's the problem09:14
alleeTonio_: no, even when I change to normal the font looks different to Sans-Serif09:15
Tonio_yeah that's what I don't understant09:15
Tonio_deja vu, sans serif and bitsteam vera are supposed to be carbon copy afaik09:15
Tonio_unless I'm wrong but that's what I remember09:15
Tonio_allee: well dejavu render seems okay as long as you don't define light....09:16
Tonio_but why did that changed to light automatically ?09:16
Tonio_allee: is there a way to set that light is the default ?09:17
alleeTonio_: hmm, I switched to cursiv and changed fonts: cursiv is kept.  Switched to normal, now normal is preserved when switching between DejaVu Sans and Sans Serif09:18
Tonio_yeah same here....09:18
Tonio_very strange.....09:18
Tonio_maybe I can fix that with kubuntu-default-settings..... I'll have a loog09:19
Tonio_look09:19
Tonio_but there is something messing with fonts....09:19
Tonio_very strange09:19
alleemhm, dingsbats looks like Sans Serif09:19
Tonio_Riddell: concerning fonts how about switching kds to dejavu ? it looks like the only correct font at the moment....09:29
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hungerIs it known that adept-common conflicts with adept-notifier over /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/128x128/actions/adept_notifier_warning.png?09:43
Tonio_hunger: really ?09:43
Tonio_hunger: I'm having a looks09:43
hungerTonio_: Well, at least that is why adept-common won't install here.09:44
Tonio_hunger: no issue here...09:44
Tonio_hunger: feisty ?09:44
Lurehunger: I think this is transient error - icons were moved to common and on upgrade they get conflict09:44
hungerTonio_: Yes.09:44
Lurehunger: just do dpkg -i --force-overwrite and apt-get upgrade again09:45
=== hunger is really annoyed that feisty just ate all his user data... or at least can no longer decrypt it.
Lurehunger: what else can you expect from alpha software ;-)09:47
Tonio_hunger: what do you mean ?09:47
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kwwiilol09:47
Tonio_hey kwwii ;)09:47
kwwiithat is why I gave up trying to install feisty09:47
kwwiihi Tonio_09:47
Tonio_I don't have any issue with feisty09:47
kwwiiTonio_: I do...big time09:47
Tonio_it looks even more stable than edgy in my case09:47
hungerTonio_: I rebooted and suddenly my encrypted user partitions (the stuff mounted in /home/username) are no longer decryptable.09:47
kwwiiand now that I got a new laptop, I am not going to install it on it09:48
Tonio_hunger: what an idea to crypt a partition on a home computer :)09:48
kwwiieven though it would probably work much better than it did on my laptop09:48
hungerTonio_: It is a laptop and it does contain company data that I prefer not to have in the wild if I ever happen to forget the computer somewhere.09:48
kwwiierm, my ppc laptop that is09:48
Tonio_hunger: in that case crypting the all hard drive is much better09:49
Tonio_hunger: and not linked with the os :)09:49
kwwiia funky red light was coming out of the side...sometimes it would boot, sometimes not...and after a while it would crash sometimes09:49
kwwii:p09:49
hungerTonio_: I have everything encrypted that is mounted writeable.09:49
Tonio_hunger: yeah but do you crypt via the os ?09:49
hungerTonio_: Yes, I do.09:50
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Tonio_hunger: I'm searching the name of a software I used that was running between the bios and the os :)09:52
hungerTonio_: What good does that do?09:52
Tonio_that's a way more efficient way to crypt a hard drive..... but I can't recall the name of that09:52
hungerTonio_: Linux does not use the BIOS;-)09:52
Tonio_hunger: between the boot loader and the OS, sorry :)09:52
manchickenDon't forget about the clock ^_^09:53
Tonio_bot bery good fot the performances, but very cool since there is no interaction between the soft and the os, so that you avoid problems in between09:53
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Tonio_hunger: you should look for seagate Momentus 5400 FDE.209:55
hungerTonio_: Nah... I don't trust that:-)09:56
Tonio_hunger: 2.5 inches hard drive crypted09:56
Tonio_hunger: ah... :)09:56
hungerTonio_: And it is sooo small, too.09:56
Tonio_well it is crypted via the hdd firmware09:56
Tonio_too small ?09:56
Tonio_160 GB :)09:57
hungerTonio_: It has 80GB max when I last looked.09:57
Tonio_hunger: I can see 160 here...09:57
hungerTonio_: Hmmm.... well, then I could get one:-)09:57
Tonio_hehe09:57
hungerTonio_: it would probably be OK to store encrypted filesystems on;-)09:58
Tonio_hunger: hope you never loose any password, because recovering will be a pain09:58
Tonio_I generally HATE crypted things....09:58
hungerTonio_: Well, actually I try not to use too sophisticated controller hardware on my data storage...09:58
Tonio_when the stupid user looses datas, how am I supposed to restaure them ?09:58
Tonio_I had the problem with Coca Coca France big boss 3 years ago..... pure nightmare09:59
hungerBetter to do stuff in software... at least you do not need to try and figure out the exact firmware revision of a fried piece of hardware then when it fails.09:59
Tonio_hunger: better is not to crtypt and be sure everything is on the network and not on the user's computer10:00
Tonio_i he needs datas to work home, then vpn + sb is the key10:00
Tonio_nothing on the laptop is the better option in my opinion :)10:00
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Tonio_hunger: raid 5 I assume ?10:01
hungerTonio_: Of course... only the best for the company I worked back then;-)10:01
Tonio_hunger: I hate raid5 for the same reason....10:01
Tonio_the only good option is raid0 over raid110:02
Tonio_but that's expensive :)10:02
Tonio_raid1 over raid0 sorry :)10:02
Tonio_raid1 is so much better to work with in case of problem..... raid5 is the absolute nightmare of the sysadmin :)10:02
Tonio_with crypted hard drives for the stupid VIP of course :)10:03
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Tonio_"I lost my email archive, can you (not to say you must) restore it ?"10:03
Tonio_"first you deleted it, and secondly you crypted that shit, what am I supposed to do ? !!"10:04
Tonio_that happened to often in my short life....10:04
hungerTonio_: Well, we do make backups when the laptop is in the company (and the partitions are mounted unencrypted).10:04
hungerTonio_: This is only to offer some kind of protection when somebody leaves the laptop in a taxi or something.10:04
Tonio_hunger: yes, but the stupid user generally needs the data that came this morning, the unsaved one :)10:05
Tonio_that's why I hate them :)10:05
Tonio_they always loose the only non-saved thing.....10:05
hungerTonio_: We are a small company with highly technical people:-) They can manage.10:05
Tonio_hunger: I generally work as sysadmin for hudge companies, with absolutly non experimented people10:06
hungerTonio_: I had to do that for a while, too:-)10:06
Tonio_which don't understand they can do errors10:06
Tonio_everything is "the informatics fault"10:06
Tonio_the worse company ever is Cartier10:06
hungerTonio_: used to be a printer admin in a multinational company that thought it would save money to have one printserver per region (europe, america, asia) only.10:07
Tonio_they are on the top of the world, so of course any data loss is windows fault, of outlook fault....10:07
Tonio_hunger: yeah I also HATE when the money guys take the right to make technical choices.........10:07
Tonio_I H*A*T*E them........10:08
Riddellany #kubuntu ops around10:08
Tonio_"reduce the number of servers -> one domain controller per country with active directory -> small bandwith with 90% of the store"10:08
Tm_TRiddell: ?10:09
Tonio_"but make sure to save the 400 GB of mails via the network every day"10:09
apokryphosRiddell: sure10:09
Tm_TRiddell: What?10:09
Riddellapokryphos: anouk could do with a kick10:09
RiddellTm_T: ^^10:09
apokryphoskeeping an eye out, yup10:09
Tonio_hunger: I've seen this too.......... great moment.... 4 month calculating everything, optimising this, to go back since that couldn't simply work10:09
hungerTonio_: Well, 1 printserver with > 15k printers connected is fun, too. Especially since printing is "mission critical".10:09
Tonio_of course everyone knew it would fail from the first day, but we had to do it.....10:09
Tm_TOh my, I'm halfblind there, sorry guys.10:10
Tonio_15000 ???????10:10
hungerTonio_: It was a *BIG* printserver... 128CPUs and everything:-)10:10
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Tonio_hunger: very usefull when it fails........10:11
Tonio_hunger: I also HATE big servers, I prever to have lots of little machines dedicated for one task10:11
Tonio_hunger: hudge machines are a pain to maintain....10:12
hungerTonio_: Well, it did print all labels... so with the printserver down *nothing* could get moved into storage or onto a truck in the region in question.10:12
Tonio_I never went over 32 cpus, but that's already too much10:12
Tonio_hunger: that's why I prefer to have several machines, even if that means more crashes10:12
Tonio_at least everything doesn't depen on the same server10:12
hungerTonio_: I agree. It was not my idea!10:13
Tonio_that's why I also HATE sap and all erps10:13
Tonio_way too critical....10:13
hungerTonio_: Once a collegue messed up and there was no printserver for 18h straight. After 30min every production line had to be stopped.10:13
Tonio_+much10:13
Tonio_hunger: of course that's obvious....10:14
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Tonio_the problem is that the money guys beleive the commercials that ensure them it'll work 99.999% uptime10:14
Tonio_bullshit10:14
hungerTonio_: They took a hefty fine when one plant could not get the trucks supplied with the papers they need and they caused a traffic jam that blocked an highway for several hours.10:14
ryanakcahunger: sounds fun...10:15
Tonio_nothing is better than having 100*1000$ dell servers to manage10:15
hungerTonio_: Well, the IBM salespeople tell you otherwise... and the management liked IBM there.10:15
Tonio_hunger: I hope the guy that took the decision got fired.....10:15
hungerTonio_: It was all the fault of my poor coworker... nothing the management could be blamed for.10:16
Tonio_hunger: yeah ibm loves to sell heavy machines with the support + maintainance etc...10:16
Tonio_but the life shows that's not the best option to what I know10:16
manchickenIBM doesn't know how to make fing database though.10:16
Tonio_hunger: of course, that's never their f*cking fault.....10:16
manchickenDB2/UDB is the shittiest database I've ever used in my entire life.10:17
Tonio_it's never a structure issue, always a human one.......10:17
manchickenOn what planet is it okay to create a shared lock when you select instead of setting up a cursor buffer?10:17
hungerTonio_: IBM sucks... came in with 4 people to support us on when we had to physically move the box in the data center. None of them was allowed to touch the machine so that any trouble could not get blamed on IBM.10:17
manchickenI miss working with postgres.10:18
hungerTonio_: So our two people had to push that monster of an mashine through the datacenter with 4 people giving encouragements:-)10:18
manchickenThough I suppose it's my fault.  I left the old job.10:18
hungerAh, the good old times:-)10:18
Tonio_hunger: sounds fun ;)10:20
kwwiimhb: the more I use polyester the more I like it10:21
mhbkwwii: really? :o)10:24
kwwiimhb: definitely10:24
kwwiiI'd like to look at qtcurve too10:24
mhbkwwii: sure, may the best ... theme win :o)10:26
kwwiiyepp10:26
kwwiiI wish there was a package for kubuntu edgy for it10:26
RadiantFirefor what, polyester10:29
RadiantFirethere is10:29
kwwiiRadiantFire: no, for qtcurve10:30
kwwiithe biggest problem with changing things now is that we are starting so late in the game10:30
mhbkwwii: true10:36
mhbkwwii: I think I could find the time to do some changes in either one if one of them gets approved10:37
kwwiimhb: cool...in the meantime, I guess I am the one who will get to approve things art-wise10:38
kwwiiwe should really get people to test it and see what they think10:38
kwwiibut failing that, a decision could simply be made10:38
mhbI thought some dev folks already expressed their opinions10:42
mhbbut it's not enough information, I know10:42
kwwiiyeah10:44
Mezwho does the kubuntu side of things for UWN ?10:45
kwwiiwe really need people who do not code kubuntu to test it10:45
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lotusleafMez: you could ask in #ubuntu-marketing, I've always wanted more kubuntu articles :)10:46
Mezlotusleaf, well I've been granted an interview with a guy at a uni who changed around 300 PCs to kubuntu10:46
lotusleafMez: sweet!10:46
lotusleafMez: in addition to UWN, isn't the Ubuntu.com site also looking for related stories?10:47
mhbMez: nixternal does some of it10:47
kwwiiyeah, I was going to say nixternal too10:47
lotusleafMez: ping berg10:48
lotusleafBurg rather10:48
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HobbseeRiddell: are we testing 3.5.6 still?12:01
alleeHobbsee: is 3.5.6 for feisty final?12:02
kwwiimorning Hobbsee12:02
Hobbseeallee: as in, will it go into feisty?  yes12:03
Hobbseehey kwwii!12:03
alleeHobbsee: thx, then I update test here.12:03

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