[12:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like fixing the issue
[12:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: but autogen.sh should complain when files are missing in the first place ;)
[12:18] <Tonio_> crappy
[12:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: works this time, and postinst is okay, I'm uploading :)
[12:19] <Riddell> yeah, it caught me out too
[12:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: uploading debtags or adept?
[12:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: debtags first, then I'm doing adept
[12:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: in fact your issue is that svn+ssh in the scripts don't work
[12:20] <Tonio_> you can simply replace by classic svn and run autogen, then modifying the scripts to avoid .diff mess
[12:20] <Tonio_> hum no diff file, so maybe you can even simply change the scripts one and for all :)
[12:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: Adept fixed, but it is probably better waiting for debtags to be build before upload no ?
[12:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: should matter
[12:27] <Riddell> Tonio_: can you get me your debdiff so I can put it in bzr?
[12:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: debtags ?
[12:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: debtags or adept debdiff ?
[12:30] <Tonio_> adept building for tests before upload...
[12:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: adept
[12:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure
[12:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: will send it to you once I tested everything ;)
[12:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: adept works, I'm uploading and will send you debdiff in 2 minutes
[12:48] <Riddell> too late, I'm asleep!
[12:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: email then :)
[12:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: nite
[12:51] <Tonio_> email sent
[02:56] <Mez> darn
[02:56] <Mez> missed Tonio
[03:12] <manchicken> Riddell: You about?
[12:07] <Riddell> manchicken|away: I am now
[12:07] <Riddell> silly adsl wasn't working this morning
[01:31] <Tm_T> Riddell: Ping.
[01:32] <Riddell> hi Tm_T
[01:34] <Tm_T> Riddell: Can you ship 200 Kubuntu and maybe same amount of Ubuntu desktop cds?
[01:35] <Tm_T> Hrr, can't remember english words.
[01:35] <Riddell> Tm_T: I don't ship CDs, you need to ask shipit
[01:35] <Riddell> Tm_T: when for?
[01:37] <Tm_T> I might need them in 2 weeks, there's large happening in this town, not sure yet if there's already some cd's so I'm checking plan b just to make sure.
[01:37] <Tm_T> Riddell: But thanks, I'll ask around.
[01:38] <Riddell> Tm_T: /msg
[01:56] <gnomefreak> are there repos for 3.5.6 yet? I was told it fixes one of the crashing issues in konquerer
[01:57] <Jucato> 3.5.6 hasn't been released yet
[01:57] <gnomefreak> i know that
[01:57] <Jucato> afaik Riddell packages the KDE updates in kubuntu.org...
[02:01] <gnomefreak> why does adept-* conflict with apt-index-watcher?
[02:02] <Jucato> it does?
[02:03] <Jucato> iirc they're both installed by default, adept-* and apt-index-watcher
[02:04] <gnomefreak> Jucato: apt-inex-watcher was removed due to adept upgrades
[02:04] <gnomefreak> index* even
[02:04] <Jucato> strange...
[02:04] <gnomefreak> when you go to install apt-index-watcher it wants to remove all adept packages
[02:05] <gnomefreak> among a few other packages not related to adept afaict
[02:08] <Riddell> gnomefreak: there's a testing one for feisty
[02:08] <Riddell> gnomefreak: new adept should be in today to fix that
[02:09] <gnomefreak> ah ok cool
[02:09] <Jucato> hooray for Riddell! :)
[02:09] <gnomefreak> where can i find the repo for the testing one i looked at kubuntu.org but its not there yet
[02:10] <Riddell> Jucato: adept was tonio
[02:10] <Jucato> oooh.. hooray for Riddell and Tonio then :)
[02:10] <Riddell> gnomefreak: deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kde-356-feisty/ feisty main
[02:10] <gnomefreak> ty
[02:10] <Riddell> let me know how it works
[02:10] <gnomefreak> will do
[03:32] <gnomefreak> Riddell: im guessing kubuntu-desktop was also uploaded to fix the apt-index-watcher conflict. that leaves 2 more packages (i think ubuntu-devels packages) need to be rebuilt ;) thank you
[03:34] <Riddell> gnomefreak: nothing new in kubuntu-desktop
[03:34] <Riddell> gnomefreak: what's this about packages needing rebuilt?
[03:35] <gnomefreak> Riddell: they all conflict with apt-index-watcher (depends issues) afaik to fix depends the packages need to be rebuilt
[03:36] <Riddell> gnomefreak: only debtags and adept depended on apt-index-watcher
[03:37] <gnomefreak> i also have kubuntu-desktop and language-selector-qt as conflicts
[03:37] <gnomefreak> this is on 3.5.5
[03:37] <gnomefreak> they are removed along with the adept and debtags
[03:40] <gnomefreak> Riddell: here is the info on what im talking about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libapt-front/+bug/80426
[03:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80426 in libapt-front "removal of apt-index-watcher leaves startup links" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[03:53] <bddebian> Heya
[04:08] <MidMark> Edgy has freeze problems with dual core?
[04:08] <MidMark> since today that I have a new dual core instead of single core I have a freeze -> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2036/
[04:10] <Riddell> MidMark: I've not heard of any such problems
[04:11] <MidMark> Riddell: I'm quite sure that i a dual core problems, because Edgy never freezed like this with single core
[04:17] <sebas> No problems here on AMD X2 and Intel Core Duo.
[04:17] <sebas> Which graphics driver are you using?
[04:18] <manchicken> Riddell: Did you get my patch?
[04:19] <sebas> Nvidia, obviously.
[04:20] <manchicken> Binary nvidia drivers can do the whole hanging thing.
[04:20] <manchicken> ATI ones do it more frequently though.
[04:21] <sebas> Or maybe the vmware modules
[04:22] <manchicken> Eww... who would run a perfectly good Kubuntu install in vmware?
[04:22] <manchicken> It should be free to roam your box, not locked up inside vmware.
[04:22] <manchicken> I'm gonna cry now.
[04:23] <Riddell> manchicken: no, where is it?
[04:23] <manchicken> Riddell: Sent it over the mailing list (kubuntu-devel) like 2 days ago.
[04:23] <Riddell> Mutt: ~/mail/inbox [Msgs:16184 New:1796
[04:23] <Riddell> guess it's somewhere in there :)
[04:24] <manchicken> Nice.
[04:24] <manchicken> Kontact supports filters ya know ;)
[04:27] <Riddell> manchicken: you committed and pushed it to bzr too?
[04:34] <MidMark> sebas: nvidia
[04:34] <MidMark> sebas: so drive related?
[04:34] <sebas> Dunno, try with nv and see if it comes back, then try without the vmware modules, see if it comes back and so on
[04:34] <MidMark> ok thanx
[04:35] <sebas> It looks like it's going wrong somewhere in Xorg, so I'd check that first.
[04:36] <MidMark> at the moment it happens only one time
[04:38] <manchicken> Riddell: I tried to.  But I went to sftp to my home on bazaar.launchpad.net, and the folders for the branches were there, but they were empty.
[04:39] <Riddell> manchicken: ok, I'll take a look in a bit
[04:39] <manchicken> I'm convinced that manchicken is a hard-coded failure case in bazaar ^_^
[04:40] <manchicken> if (strcmp(getenv("USER"),"manchicken") == 0) { exit 1; }
[04:40] <manchicken> ^_^
[04:52] <fdoving> manchicken: they are supposed to be 'empty'. it's all in .bzr/
[04:52] <manchicken> Ahhhh..
[04:53] <manchicken> Nobody tells me this stuff.
[04:53] <manchicken> ;)
[05:01] <Riddell> manchicken: looking at the patch, how does it actually work out if a package is in main?
[05:01] <fdoving> for example: bzr co sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu
[05:01] <Riddell> "p.section(string("/")).find("/") == string::npos" ?
[05:02] <manchicken> Riddell: The pattern I noticed is that main packages actually have a section without a prefix and a slash.
[05:02] <Riddell> mm, right, so if it's universe/foo then it's not main
[05:02] <manchicken> e.g., kate is in the "kde" section"
[05:02] <Riddell> ok, good work batman
[05:02] <manchicken> Bet your ass it's good work ;)
[05:03] <manchicken> Took me 2 weeks to figure out that we were just overridding the text() method of KListViewItem, and then that I could get away with doing the same for the pixmap() method.
[05:03] <manchicken> We should document that somewhere.
[05:05] <Riddell> oh, so that's how it's done
[05:05] <manchicken> Yup.
[05:05] <Riddell> nifty
[05:05] <manchicken> Quite clever.
[05:23] <Riddell> kwwii: devel team meeting tonight at 21:00.  you don't have to come but if you've nothing else to do it might be an idea to say what your plans are for the sprint and feisty
[05:23] <Riddell> well, maybe you don't know that until you get there and talk to people
[05:24] <kwwii> Riddell: yeah, I have a meeting with mark and scott on monday to discuss all this, but I will show up anyway
[05:24] <kwwii> that is 21:00 your time, or?
[05:24] <Riddell> UTC
[05:24] <Riddell> 22:00 yours
[05:25] <kwwii> cool
[05:25] <kwwii> see you then
[05:51] <manchicken> Nice, I tell a guy to paste something in the pastebin in #kubuntu, and he starts pasting in the channel and won't stop.
[05:51] <abattoir> manchicken: that's mostly because he's already pasted, and it takes a long time for everything to be pasted due to the lag
[05:52] <abattoir> :)
[05:52] <jdong> manchicken: he probabably started pasting before
[05:52] <manchicken> Ah.
[05:52] <manchicken> Didn't think about that.
[05:52] <jdong> heh abattoir beat me
[05:52] <manchicken> Very hard to read text files in IRC.
[05:52] <jdong> manchicken: no kidding :)
[05:52] <jdong> not to mention the annoyance level to everyone else :)
[05:53] <manchicken> Yeah.
[05:53] <manchicken> Annoyance is temporary.
[05:53] <vinboy> wat font do you guys use for this chatting?
[05:53] <Jucato> also, once you paste multiple lines, to the one who pasted it, it seems like it shows up all at once. but to others, it seems like hes pasting it line per line and doesnt stop...
[05:53] <vinboy> i'm yet to find the best font for this
[05:53] <manchicken> If it actually provided some benefit I could ignore it.
[05:53] <Riddell> vinboy: -> #kubuntu
[05:53] <vinboy> ok
[05:55] <jdong> abattoir: a wild question..... is this forum profile related to you: http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=220944
[05:55] <Riddell> manchicken: adept patch looks good, committed and uploaded, many thanks
[05:55] <manchicken> Groovy.
[05:56] <manchicken> I still want to do the tooltip.
[05:56] <manchicken> But I probably won't get to that until Saturday.
[05:56] <manchicken> But I wouldn't consider that necessarily a "show-stopper."
[05:56] <Riddell> yeah, I can't see an easy way to do that
[05:56] <Riddell> but it must be possible
[05:56] <manchicken> Eh, qpixmap inherits from qwidget IIRC, so I think I'll just make a hover-over tooltip for it.
[05:57] <manchicken> And I should probably hit up a documenting-type-person to give me content.
[05:57] <abattoir> jdong: no, it's not me
[05:57] <Riddell> manchicken: something else that should be easy but important is to have adept_batch close after it's done installing
[05:57] <manchicken> As I am clueless when it comes to writing copy.
[05:57] <Riddell> manchicken: fancy looking at that too?
[05:57] <manchicken> Sure.  Got a spec?
[05:58] <manchicken> And do you consider that higher priority than tooltip?
[05:58] <jdong> abattoir: ok good
[05:58] <manchicken> I can leave that up to doccer's if you want... but I'd like to communicate what's up to them.
[05:58] <Riddell> manchicken: same spec, feisty adept changes
[05:58] <abattoir> jdong: mine is just abattoir
[05:58] <Riddell> manchicken: it's about the same priority, they're both usability issues
[05:58] <manchicken> Riddell: You'll also notice my patch will make it easier to add columns in the future ;)
[05:58] <Riddell> manchicken: I do indeed, you should e-mail it to mornfall too
[05:59] <manchicken> I thought he was on kubuntu-devel
[05:59] <Riddell> don't see him
[05:59] <Riddell> oh, the mailing list, I doubt he reads it much
[06:00] <manchicken> I'll see if he's on kde-devel
[06:02] <manchicken> Seems like he's idling.
[06:02] <Riddell> or doing something more important than watching IRC :)
[06:03] <Jucato> heh :)
[06:03] <Jucato> like working
[06:07] <manchicken> WHAT?!  There's something more immportant than watching IRC?
[06:08] <manchicken> Nobody tells me this stuff.
[07:43] <kwwii> lol
[07:43] <kwwii> "just intsall ubuntu-desktop"
[07:43] <kwwii> yeah, only that wants to install another x-server, gdm, etc
[07:47] <nixternal> yup :)
[07:47] <nixternal> kwwii: that is what you get for using the dark side
[07:48] <manchicken> heh
[07:48] <nixternal> although, this silly logic class using the darkside, that being MS and VB.NET, 2 useless software packages
[07:53] <kwwii> lol
[07:53] <kwwii> that is what I get for trying to earn a living
[08:04] <mhb> kwwii: trouble?
[08:05] <kwwii> mhb: nothng that amazing, no
[08:05] <kwwii> wow, my wlan works
[08:05] <kwwii> how nice
[08:05] <kwwii> my first laptop in which wlan works without any stress
[08:08] <kwwii> now I get it...
[08:08] <kwwii> no not use adept
[08:08] <kwwii> do
[08:09] <kwwii> which network manager should one be using in kde?
[08:10] <manchicken> I use wifi-radar for wireless management.
[08:10] <manchicken> It's nice.
[08:10] <RadiantFire> wireless assistant works fairly well
[08:10] <RadiantFire> sometimes...
[08:10] <kwwii> hrm
[08:10] <manchicken> But I've had some success with knetworkmanager
[08:10] <RadiantFire> I am using knetworkmanager right nwo also
[08:10] <manchicken> I've never had luck with wireless assistant.
[08:10] <manchicken> But I only use wifi-radar anymore.
[08:10] <kwwii> and what is network-manager-kde?
[08:10] <RadiantFire> same thing
[08:11] <RadiantFire> its an alias or something
[08:11] <manchicken> yeah
[08:11] <kwwii> gotcha
[08:11] <manchicken> That's the package ^_^
[08:19] <Riddell> kwwii: knetworkmanager
[08:19] <kwwii> Riddell: thanks, got it (and it works!)
[08:19] <kwwii> yippee
[08:19] <kwwii> using adept seems to hide important console options...scared the life out of me
[08:20] <Riddell> kwwii: like what?
[08:20] <kwwii> when I installed ubuntu-desktop is notices that you install gdm as well and offers you the choice of which one to use
[08:21] <kwwii> I saw the first line in adept but couldn't choose and option
[08:21] <kwwii> using apt it worked
[08:21] <Riddell> yes, that's a known problem
[08:21] <Riddell> I'm working on it
[08:21] <kwwii> ;-)
[08:37] <Tonio_> hi all
[08:47] <Tonio_> hey pinheiro ;)
[08:48] <mhb> hi Tonio_
[08:49] <Tonio_> hi mhb !
[08:49] <Tonio_> it is calm here......
[08:49] <mhb> Tonio_: better than outside
[08:49] <Tonio_> time for me to start polishing the kde desktop and settings.....
[08:49] <mhb> nasty wind out there
[08:49] <Tonio_> mhb: are you german ?
[08:49] <Tonio_> if yes the wind you have is the one I had this morning :)
[08:51] <mhb> Tonio_: czech
[08:51] <mhb> Tonio_: but yes, it's probably the same one
[08:52] <Tonio_> mhb: afaik the wind is going from west to east
[08:52] <Tonio_> probably the same indeed
[08:54] <allee> Tonio_: mhb has to wait a bit more.  Wind reached now Munich ;)
[08:55] <Tonio_> allee: ah... not the same in that case hehe
[08:55] <Tonio_> allee: fancy helping me fixing fontconfig ?
[08:55] <Tonio_> allee: you were successfull helping me to fix debtags yesterday :)
[08:56] <allee> Tonio_:  If you say it, I have to beleave it :)
[08:56] <Tonio_> allee: the svn connection was to build a new version of debtags with correct tags in it
[08:56] <Tonio_> allee: and has you have much better knowledge of debian access than I do, that helped a lot :)
[08:57] <Tonio_> allee: the problem wit fontconfig is that Deja Vu and Sans fonts are broken
[08:57] <Tonio_> I'm just having a look
[08:58] <allee> Tonio_: fwiw I installed feisty this afternoon and they look clearer than in edgy
[08:58] <allee> s/they/the default/
[08:58] <Tonio_> allee: in fact Deja VU is crappy with size 9, too clear
[08:59] <Tonio_> and concerning Sans, it looks like arial for some reason
[08:59] <Tonio_> while it is supposed to be carbon copy of deja vu
[08:59] <Tonio_> I don't understand the point
[09:07] <allee> Tonio_: isn't sans justs an (deprecated) for any font with sans-serif?  (at least fonts.conf claims it)
[09:07] <allee> s/for/name for/
[09:08] <Tonio_> allee: I was talking about the Sans Serif font
[09:08] <Tonio_> but I can't the package including this one
[09:09] <Tonio_> I'm testing dejavu currently
[09:13] <allee> yeah, I see.
[09:14] <allee> Tonio_: uhm, when change to DejaVu, style changes from normal to light despite the fact that normal is available :(
[09:14] <Tonio_> allee: yup that's the problem
[09:15] <allee> Tonio_: no, even when I change to normal the font looks different to Sans-Serif
[09:15] <Tonio_> yeah that's what I don't understant
[09:15] <Tonio_> deja vu, sans serif and bitsteam vera are supposed to be carbon copy afaik
[09:15] <Tonio_> unless I'm wrong but that's what I remember
[09:16] <Tonio_> allee: well dejavu render seems okay as long as you don't define light....
[09:16] <Tonio_> but why did that changed to light automatically ?
[09:17] <Tonio_> allee: is there a way to set that light is the default ?
[09:18] <allee> Tonio_: hmm, I switched to cursiv and changed fonts: cursiv is kept.  Switched to normal, now normal is preserved when switching between DejaVu Sans and Sans Serif
[09:18] <Tonio_> yeah same here....
[09:18] <Tonio_> very strange.....
[09:19] <Tonio_> maybe I can fix that with kubuntu-default-settings..... I'll have a loog
[09:19] <Tonio_> look
[09:19] <Tonio_> but there is something messing with fonts....
[09:19] <Tonio_> very strange
[09:19] <allee> mhm, dingsbats looks like Sans Serif
[09:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning fonts how about switching kds to dejavu ? it looks like the only correct font at the moment....
[09:43] <hunger> Is it known that adept-common conflicts with adept-notifier over /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/128x128/actions/adept_notifier_warning.png?
[09:43] <Tonio_> hunger: really ?
[09:43] <Tonio_> hunger: I'm having a looks
[09:44] <hunger> Tonio_: Well, at least that is why adept-common won't install here.
[09:44] <Tonio_> hunger: no issue here...
[09:44] <Tonio_> hunger: feisty ?
[09:44] <Lure> hunger: I think this is transient error - icons were moved to common and on upgrade they get conflict
[09:44] <hunger> Tonio_: Yes.
[09:45] <Lure> hunger: just do dpkg -i --force-overwrite and apt-get upgrade again
[09:47] <Lure> hunger: what else can you expect from alpha software ;-)
[09:47] <Tonio_> hunger: what do you mean ?
[09:47] <kwwii> lol
[09:47] <Tonio_> hey kwwii ;)
[09:47] <kwwii> that is why I gave up trying to install feisty
[09:47] <kwwii> hi Tonio_
[09:47] <Tonio_> I don't have any issue with feisty
[09:47] <kwwii> Tonio_: I do...big time
[09:47] <Tonio_> it looks even more stable than edgy in my case
[09:47] <hunger> Tonio_: I rebooted and suddenly my encrypted user partitions (the stuff mounted in /home/username) are no longer decryptable.
[09:48] <kwwii> and now that I got a new laptop, I am not going to install it on it
[09:48] <Tonio_> hunger: what an idea to crypt a partition on a home computer :)
[09:48] <kwwii> even though it would probably work much better than it did on my laptop
[09:48] <hunger> Tonio_: It is a laptop and it does contain company data that I prefer not to have in the wild if I ever happen to forget the computer somewhere.
[09:48] <kwwii> erm, my ppc laptop that is
[09:49] <Tonio_> hunger: in that case crypting the all hard drive is much better
[09:49] <Tonio_> hunger: and not linked with the os :)
[09:49] <kwwii> a funky red light was coming out of the side...sometimes it would boot, sometimes not...and after a while it would crash sometimes
[09:49] <kwwii> :p
[09:49] <hunger> Tonio_: I have everything encrypted that is mounted writeable.
[09:49] <Tonio_> hunger: yeah but do you crypt via the os ?
[09:50] <hunger> Tonio_: Yes, I do.
[09:52] <Tonio_> hunger: I'm searching the name of a software I used that was running between the bios and the os :)
[09:52] <hunger> Tonio_: What good does that do?
[09:52] <Tonio_> that's a way more efficient way to crypt a hard drive..... but I can't recall the name of that
[09:52] <hunger> Tonio_: Linux does not use the BIOS;-)
[09:52] <Tonio_> hunger: between the boot loader and the OS, sorry :)
[09:53] <manchicken> Don't forget about the clock ^_^
[09:53] <Tonio_> bot bery good fot the performances, but very cool since there is no interaction between the soft and the os, so that you avoid problems in between
[09:55] <Tonio_> hunger: you should look for seagate Momentus 5400 FDE.2
[09:56] <hunger> Tonio_: Nah... I don't trust that:-)
[09:56] <Tonio_> hunger: 2.5 inches hard drive crypted
[09:56] <Tonio_> hunger: ah... :)
[09:56] <hunger> Tonio_: And it is sooo small, too.
[09:56] <Tonio_> well it is crypted via the hdd firmware
[09:56] <Tonio_> too small ?
[09:57] <Tonio_> 160 GB :)
[09:57] <hunger> Tonio_: It has 80GB max when I last looked.
[09:57] <Tonio_> hunger: I can see 160 here...
[09:57] <hunger> Tonio_: Hmmm.... well, then I could get one:-)
[09:57] <Tonio_> hehe
[09:58] <hunger> Tonio_: it would probably be OK to store encrypted filesystems on;-)
[09:58] <Tonio_> hunger: hope you never loose any password, because recovering will be a pain
[09:58] <Tonio_> I generally HATE crypted things....
[09:58] <hunger> Tonio_: Well, actually I try not to use too sophisticated controller hardware on my data storage...
[09:58] <Tonio_> when the stupid user looses datas, how am I supposed to restaure them ?
[09:59] <Tonio_> I had the problem with Coca Coca France big boss 3 years ago..... pure nightmare
[09:59] <hunger> Better to do stuff in software... at least you do not need to try and figure out the exact firmware revision of a fried piece of hardware then when it fails.
[10:00] <Tonio_> hunger: better is not to crtypt and be sure everything is on the network and not on the user's computer
[10:00] <Tonio_> i he needs datas to work home, then vpn + sb is the key
[10:00] <Tonio_> nothing on the laptop is the better option in my opinion :)
[10:01] <Tonio_> hunger: raid 5 I assume ?
[10:01] <hunger> Tonio_: Of course... only the best for the company I worked back then;-)
[10:01] <Tonio_> hunger: I hate raid5 for the same reason....
[10:02] <Tonio_> the only good option is raid0 over raid1
[10:02] <Tonio_> but that's expensive :)
[10:02] <Tonio_> raid1 over raid0 sorry :)
[10:02] <Tonio_> raid1 is so much better to work with in case of problem..... raid5 is the absolute nightmare of the sysadmin :)
[10:03] <Tonio_> with crypted hard drives for the stupid VIP of course :)
[10:03] <Tonio_> "I lost my email archive, can you (not to say you must) restore it ?"
[10:04] <Tonio_> "first you deleted it, and secondly you crypted that shit, what am I supposed to do ? !!"
[10:04] <Tonio_> that happened to often in my short life....
[10:04] <hunger> Tonio_: Well, we do make backups when the laptop is in the company (and the partitions are mounted unencrypted).
[10:04] <hunger> Tonio_: This is only to offer some kind of protection when somebody leaves the laptop in a taxi or something.
[10:05] <Tonio_> hunger: yes, but the stupid user generally needs the data that came this morning, the unsaved one :)
[10:05] <Tonio_> that's why I hate them :)
[10:05] <Tonio_> they always loose the only non-saved thing.....
[10:05] <hunger> Tonio_: We are a small company with highly technical people:-) They can manage.
[10:06] <Tonio_> hunger: I generally work as sysadmin for hudge companies, with absolutly non experimented people
[10:06] <hunger> Tonio_: I had to do that for a while, too:-)
[10:06] <Tonio_> which don't understand they can do errors
[10:06] <Tonio_> everything is "the informatics fault"
[10:06] <Tonio_> the worse company ever is Cartier
[10:07] <hunger> Tonio_: used to be a printer admin in a multinational company that thought it would save money to have one printserver per region (europe, america, asia) only.
[10:07] <Tonio_> they are on the top of the world, so of course any data loss is windows fault, of outlook fault....
[10:07] <Tonio_> hunger: yeah I also HATE when the money guys take the right to make technical choices.........
[10:08] <Tonio_> I H*A*T*E them........
[10:08] <Riddell> any #kubuntu ops around
[10:08] <Tonio_> "reduce the number of servers -> one domain controller per country with active directory -> small bandwith with 90% of the store"
[10:09] <Tm_T> Riddell: ?
[10:09] <Tonio_> "but make sure to save the 400 GB of mails via the network every day"
[10:09] <apokryphos> Riddell: sure
[10:09] <Tm_T> Riddell: What?
[10:09] <Riddell> apokryphos: anouk could do with a kick
[10:09] <Riddell> Tm_T: ^^
[10:09] <apokryphos> keeping an eye out, yup
[10:09] <Tonio_> hunger: I've seen this too.......... great moment.... 4 month calculating everything, optimising this, to go back since that couldn't simply work
[10:09] <hunger> Tonio_: Well, 1 printserver with > 15k printers connected is fun, too. Especially since printing is "mission critical".
[10:09] <Tonio_> of course everyone knew it would fail from the first day, but we had to do it.....
[10:10] <Tm_T> Oh my, I'm halfblind there, sorry guys.
[10:10] <Tonio_> 15000 ???????
[10:10] <hunger> Tonio_: It was a *BIG* printserver... 128CPUs and everything:-)
[10:11] <Tonio_> hunger: very usefull when it fails........
[10:11] <Tonio_> hunger: I also HATE big servers, I prever to have lots of little machines dedicated for one task
[10:12] <Tonio_> hunger: hudge machines are a pain to maintain....
[10:12] <hunger> Tonio_: Well, it did print all labels... so with the printserver down *nothing* could get moved into storage or onto a truck in the region in question.
[10:12] <Tonio_> I never went over 32 cpus, but that's already too much
[10:12] <Tonio_> hunger: that's why I prefer to have several machines, even if that means more crashes
[10:12] <Tonio_> at least everything doesn't depen on the same server
[10:13] <hunger> Tonio_: I agree. It was not my idea!
[10:13] <Tonio_> that's why I also HATE sap and all erps
[10:13] <Tonio_> way too critical....
[10:13] <hunger> Tonio_: Once a collegue messed up and there was no printserver for 18h straight. After 30min every production line had to be stopped.
[10:13] <Tonio_> +much
[10:14] <Tonio_> hunger: of course that's obvious....
[10:14] <Tonio_> the problem is that the money guys beleive the commercials that ensure them it'll work 99.999% uptime
[10:14] <Tonio_> bullshit
[10:14] <hunger> Tonio_: They took a hefty fine when one plant could not get the trucks supplied with the papers they need and they caused a traffic jam that blocked an highway for several hours.
[10:15] <ryanakca> hunger: sounds fun...
[10:15] <Tonio_> nothing is better than having 100*1000$ dell servers to manage
[10:15] <hunger> Tonio_: Well, the IBM salespeople tell you otherwise... and the management liked IBM there.
[10:15] <Tonio_> hunger: I hope the guy that took the decision got fired.....
[10:16] <hunger> Tonio_: It was all the fault of my poor coworker... nothing the management could be blamed for.
[10:16] <Tonio_> hunger: yeah ibm loves to sell heavy machines with the support + maintainance etc...
[10:16] <Tonio_> but the life shows that's not the best option to what I know
[10:16] <manchicken> IBM doesn't know how to make fing database though.
[10:16] <Tonio_> hunger: of course, that's never their f*cking fault.....
[10:17] <manchicken> DB2/UDB is the shittiest database I've ever used in my entire life.
[10:17] <Tonio_> it's never a structure issue, always a human one.......
[10:17] <manchicken> On what planet is it okay to create a shared lock when you select instead of setting up a cursor buffer?
[10:17] <hunger> Tonio_: IBM sucks... came in with 4 people to support us on when we had to physically move the box in the data center. None of them was allowed to touch the machine so that any trouble could not get blamed on IBM.
[10:18] <manchicken> I miss working with postgres.
[10:18] <hunger> Tonio_: So our two people had to push that monster of an mashine through the datacenter with 4 people giving encouragements:-)
[10:18] <manchicken> Though I suppose it's my fault.  I left the old job.
[10:18] <hunger> Ah, the good old times:-)
[10:20] <Tonio_> hunger: sounds fun ;)
[10:21] <kwwii> mhb: the more I use polyester the more I like it
[10:24] <mhb> kwwii: really? :o)
[10:24] <kwwii> mhb: definitely
[10:24] <kwwii> I'd like to look at qtcurve too
[10:26] <mhb> kwwii: sure, may the best ... theme win :o)
[10:26] <kwwii> yepp
[10:26] <kwwii> I wish there was a package for kubuntu edgy for it
[10:29] <RadiantFire> for what, polyester
[10:29] <RadiantFire> there is
[10:30] <kwwii> RadiantFire: no, for qtcurve
[10:30] <kwwii> the biggest problem with changing things now is that we are starting so late in the game
[10:36] <mhb> kwwii: true
[10:37] <mhb> kwwii: I think I could find the time to do some changes in either one if one of them gets approved
[10:38] <kwwii> mhb: cool...in the meantime, I guess I am the one who will get to approve things art-wise
[10:38] <kwwii> we should really get people to test it and see what they think
[10:38] <kwwii> but failing that, a decision could simply be made
[10:42] <mhb> I thought some dev folks already expressed their opinions
[10:42] <mhb> but it's not enough information, I know
[10:44] <kwwii> yeah
[10:45] <Mez> who does the kubuntu side of things for UWN ?
[10:45] <kwwii> we really need people who do not code kubuntu to test it
[10:46] <lotusleaf> Mez: you could ask in #ubuntu-marketing, I've always wanted more kubuntu articles :)
[10:46] <Mez> lotusleaf, well I've been granted an interview with a guy at a uni who changed around 300 PCs to kubuntu
[10:46] <lotusleaf> Mez: sweet!
[10:47] <lotusleaf> Mez: in addition to UWN, isn't the Ubuntu.com site also looking for related stories?
[10:47] <mhb> Mez: nixternal does some of it
[10:47] <kwwii> yeah, I was going to say nixternal too
[10:48] <lotusleaf> Mez: ping berg
[10:48] <lotusleaf> Burg rather
[12:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: are we testing 3.5.6 still?
[12:02] <allee> Hobbsee: is 3.5.6 for feisty final?
[12:02] <kwwii> morning Hobbsee
[12:03] <Hobbsee> allee: as in, will it go into feisty?  yes
[12:03] <Hobbsee> hey kwwii!
[12:03] <allee> Hobbsee: thx, then I update test here.