[12:15] <stdin> malik_: choose "open with" -> "other" then point it to /usr/bin/kaffeine maybe
[12:16] <malik_> can any one tell how to make firefox play wma files which are not embedded, to be played in external application like kaffeine?...........like i have a website when i click on the audio file there which is in wma format...........firefox starts to download it instead of playin it and no matter what i tried i am back to square one
[12:16] <MaxDamage``> still got a tv-out problem, if anyone is willing to help.. he's welcome ;D
[12:17] <malik_> stdin: i tried that but next time i try to play that file i have to go throught the whole thing again.......it doesnt remember the setting
[12:18] <HailandKill> Isn't there a 'do this always' button to select?
[12:18] <HailandKill> Or similar.
[12:19] <K-Ryan> Hey hey!
[12:20] <malik_> yes and fummy thing is that it comes back again but with that option selected but still asking for what do to wit that file
[12:20] <malik_> may be problem is my FF coz i downloaded it from repos not from website?
[12:21] <K-Ryan> Repos are usually ok for downloading from as long as you get all the packages needed.
[12:22] <malik_> well i asked for FF and it brought another 3 lib*** packages with it
[12:22] <K-Ryan> check it again but click details
[12:22] <K-Ryan> it will open a page with the required packages at the bottom
[12:22] <K-Ryan> make sure those are all installed
[12:23] <HailandKill> Has anyone got the acer aspire 5050, and got the broadcom wireless working?...
[12:24] <malik_> yes it did
[12:25] <malik_> and i made alotta tweaks in abut:config so that it will play rtsp smil n other real player files
[12:25] <K-Ryan> Hrmm, then I'm not sure malik_
[12:25] <K-Ryan> Keep asking around though
[12:25] <rich__> I get 'E: Couldn't find package to' when typing sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree to install flash9
[12:25] <K-Ryan> has anyone typed in just "sudo apt-get" in the konsole?
[12:26] <K-Ryan> the very last line says
[12:26] <rich__> and multiverse and universe is enabled on everything..
[12:26] <K-Ryan> "This APT has Super Cow Powers"
[12:26] <K-Ryan> !cmatrix
[12:26] <ubotu> cmatrix: Console Matrix simulates the display from "The Matrix". In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2a-2 (edgy), package size 15 kB, installed size 108 kB
[12:26] <malik_> it plays them just fine now and also all the embedded streams of wma files but when i try that particular site instead of streamin it it starts to download n then plays it
[12:26] <dwidmann> rich__ flashplugin-nonfree for flash9 should be in the multiverse backports repository, I think.
[12:26] <K-Ryan> dwidmann do you know how to open up the package cmatrix
[12:26] <K-Ryan> through the console i guess
[12:27] <K-Ryan> makes the matrix show in your terminal
[12:27] <K-Ryan> *konsole
[12:27] <rich__> how can I check if I installed java correctly
[12:27] <K-Ryan> Try running a java app thing
[12:27] <dwidmann> cmatrix? Never heard of it
[12:27] <K-Ryan> !cmatrix
[12:27] <ubotu> cmatrix: Console Matrix simulates the display from "The Matrix". In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2a-2 (edgy), package size 15 kB, installed size 108 kB
[12:27] <K-Ryan> I already installed it, but how would i go about opening it in konsole?
[12:28] <steel_lady> anybody here to help me with kopete?
[12:28] <K-Ryan> What's wrong?
[12:29] <steel_lady> lately every day something happens with my connection to msn. I see my contact from msn that are online but I can't comunicate with them. for ICQ it works
[12:30] <K-Ryan> have you tried it in another program?
[12:30] <steel_lady> I never had the problem while I was using msn on win
[12:30] <stdin> K-Ryan: you want to see what apt's super cow powers are ?
[12:30] <K-Ryan> are you sure its configured correctly?
[12:30] <dwidmann> I've never heard of anything like that happening before ... I get random disconnects though ... probably related to my internet connection.
[12:30] <rich__> stdin, all my multiverse and universe things are enabled, what do I do?
[12:30] <K-Ryan> dwidmann, they're called clouds =P
[12:30] <steel_lady> yes I am sure, I am using it then suddenly it doesn't work any more
[12:31] <K-Ryan> But still works with ICQ you said, so it's not a program issue
[12:31] <dwidmann> hahaha, that's true, actually.
[12:31] <K-Ryan> Unless it only affects the MSN part
[12:31] <steel_lady> I try to send a message and it tries and after a couple of mins says it can not send the message
[12:31] <K-Ryan> dwidmann =P
[12:31] <stdin> rich__: post your sources.list file to pastebin
[12:31] <K-Ryan> steel_lady have you tried sending yourself a message?
[12:31] <steel_lady> how can I send a message to myself?
[12:31] <stdin> K-Ryan: run this in Konsole "apt-get moo"
[12:32] <K-Ryan> Not sure if you can with MSN
[12:32] <K-Ryan> But you can with AIM, it's a good way to test if you are connected to the servers and everything
[12:32] <K-Ryan> !moo
[12:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about moo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:32] <steel_lady> I dpn't think so
[12:32] <K-Ryan> HAHAHAHAHAH!
[12:32] <K-Ryan> Nice one stdin
[12:32] <stdin> K-Ryan: that's the super cow power :)
[12:32] <steel_lady> I am connected somehow because I see correctly who is online and their status
[12:33] <K-Ryan> steel_lady can they message you?
[12:33] <steel_lady> I don't know
[12:33] <dwidmann> aptitude moo, aptitude moo -v, aptitude moo -vv, aptitude moo -vvv, aptitude moo -vvvv, aptitude moo -vvvvv
[12:33] <steel_lady> how can I tell them to try?
[12:33] <rich__> ok brb, have to reboot
[12:33] <stdin> dwidmann: yeah, I've done that too :P
[12:33] <steel_lady> I tried to restart the program
[12:34] <K-Ryan> dwidmann what did I just win?
[12:34] <K-Ryan> It looks like... a rock?
[12:34] <dwidmann> a warm fuzzy feeling =P
[12:34] <stdin> K-Ryan: add another "v" :P
[12:35] <K-Ryan> lmao
[12:35] <stdin> that's why you should use open source software :)
[12:35] <bomber> steel_lady: you may have a firewall running
[12:35] <K-Ryan> hidden cows being eaten by snakes of course!
[12:35] <K-Ryan> now how do i get this cmatrix running... =(
[12:35] <K-Ryan> got it!
[12:36] <K-Ryan> sudo cmatrix
[12:36] <rich__> !pastebin
[12:36] <steel_lady> I have ADSL router
[12:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:36] <stdin> K-Ryan: you don't need sudo
[12:36] <K-Ryan> uhh, are you sure?
[12:36] <bomber> well in kubuntu
[12:36] <steel_lady> but how can it work one moment and then stop?
[12:36] <K-Ryan> Yeah, I don't..
[12:36] <stdin> K-Ryan: also open konsole in full screen with it running :)
[12:36] <K-Ryan> But hey I still got it =)
[12:36] <bomber> true
[12:36] <K-Ryan> Yeah I did
[12:36] <rich__> stdin, here it is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1991/
[12:37] <K-Ryan> well, maximized
[12:37] <K-Ryan> Not really full screen...
[12:37] <K-Ryan> now full screen =)
[12:37] <K-Ryan> it's like a background
[12:37] <stdin> heh, yeah
[12:37] <MaxDamage``> !cmatrix
[12:37] <ubotu> cmatrix: Console Matrix simulates the display from "The Matrix". In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2a-2 (edgy), package size 15 kB, installed size 108 kB
[12:37] <rich__> is my sources.list look ok?
[12:37] <juano> steel_lady: what seems to be the problem?
[12:37] <MaxDamage``> great :P
[12:38] <steel_lady> The following message has not been sent correctly  (Impossible to establish the connection):
[12:38] <stdin> rich__: looks fine
[12:38] <K-Ryan> dwidmann, "sudo apt-get install cmatrix && cmatrix"
[12:38] <stdin> rich__: try "sudo apt-get update"
[12:38] <HailandKill> ...Right, I have a dream. I have dream that it won't be brain ache to makes wireless connections with laptops a brain ache. I'm going to make a company that designs laptops that WILL work with linux out of box, no problem.
[12:39] <bomber> steel_lady: have you tried any other programs to connect to msn
[12:39] <HailandKill> *second brain ache = work
[12:39] <K-Ryan> Yeah! Go HailandKill
[12:39] <snikker> i've got an "DCOP error" when i click on the bluetooth icon in the kontrol center. how fix this?
[12:39] <steel_lady> no, I can try to connect from my PDA
[12:40] <dwidmann> K-Ryan, there are also two nice matrix screensavers
[12:40] <K-Ryan> Don't want a screensaver
[12:40] <K-Ryan> I like it blank =P
[12:40] <K-Ryan> Quick to goto, quick to get out off
[12:40] <rich__> I keep getting this message when trying to enter a program 'E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?'
[12:40] <bomber> i dont really use it but im looking in synaptic and i see a few different programs
[12:40] <dwidmann> I just let my monitor turn off
[12:40] <MaxDamage``> steel_lady: try gaim internet messenger
[12:40] <K-Ryan> If I'
[12:41] <MaxDamage``> i think it's the most stable :/
[12:41] <MaxDamage``> for me at least
[12:41] <K-Ryan> *If I'm going to be away from my computer for 10+minutes and I know, I'll turn it off
[12:41] <steel_lady> icq works with kopete well
[12:41] <rich__> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[12:41] <dwidmann> steel_lady, if you'd be interested in having something more like msn for win, try amsn
[12:42] <bomber> rich__:  make sure you dont have adept running at the same time your trying to use apt
[12:42] <Minataku> I don't let ANYTHING turn off
[12:42] <Minataku> Well, on my laptop, anyway
[12:42] <steel_lady> so, amsn has more advanced features?
[12:42] <Minataku> Otherwise it's only the monitor and only to sleep mode
[12:42] <juano> steel_lady: there are problems with msn, ive heard some people in the last couple of minutes that cant login
[12:42] <rich__> I can't open adept at all
[12:42] <rich__> keeps saying it
[12:43] <rich__> I have no other process running
[12:43] <dwidmann> steel_lady: I'm not sure, I've never used it.
[12:43] <steel_lady> I just logged in from PDA
[12:43] <Minataku> rich__: The last time you were using it, did it crash or close improperly?
[12:43] <dwidmann> I just hear lots of things
[12:43] <rich__> my computer froze on a reboot
[12:44] <stdin> !adeptcrashfix
[12:44] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[12:44] <juano> steel_lady: amsn 0.96 is good
[12:44] <MaxDamage``> steel_lady: icq works well with me too on kopete
[12:44] <Minataku> rich__: Hm... I don't think that would do it, but there's the solution more or less
[12:44] <Minataku> lol
[12:44] <endo602> Hello.
[12:44] <juano> steel_lady: google alvaros amsn
[12:44] <MaxDamage``> just msn keeps c#$@ping up
[12:44] <Minataku> What stdin made ubotu tell you
[12:44] <endo602> Can someone help me with a video card isse?
[12:44] <stdin> rich__: try running "udo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[12:45] <Minataku> endo602: Ooooh, is it "Video Card Illustrated" Swimsuit Issue?
[12:45] <Minataku> j/k, what's up?
[12:45] <endo602> I installed nvidia drivers like instucted from HOWTO from ubuntu documentation
[12:45] <juano> steel_lady: http://amsn-project.net/features.php there is an amsn 0.96 distro independent installation package
[12:45] <endo602> but now i get an error from xorg.
[12:45] <Minataku> What error?
[12:45] <dwidmann> what error endo602?
[12:46] <endo602> fatal server error
[12:46] <steel_lady> why can't I instal it through synaptic package manager?
[12:46] <endo602> no screens found
[12:46] <juano> endo602: try searching where it sais Driver  "nv", and change that to "nvidia"
[12:46] <endo602> says nvidia
[12:46] <endo602> in xorg
[12:46] <dwidmann> endo602, there is definitely more to that error thatn what you're saying
[12:47] <juano> steel_lady: youll get 0.95.. but its poor for webcam and other stuff
[12:47] <dwidmann> It's like stored in /var/log/Xorg.0.log or something like that
[12:47] <MaxDamage``> oh.. xorg.conf
[12:47] <juano> steel_lady: 0.96 works very good
[12:47] <endo602> dwidman
[12:47] <endo602> there is
[12:47] <MaxDamage``> this file should be edited with great care!
[12:47] <endo602> Let me continue
[12:47] <endo602> it also says
[12:47] <MaxDamage``> okay...
[12:47] <adjhskajhdskljsh> i have some problem the problem is i am in the live cd and i want to resize some partiton in my computer but in gparted the resize button is good but dont give to do more size to the partiton how can i resize it anyway
[12:47] <steel_lady> shit and why they didn't include a good one to the package?
[12:48] <endo602> Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libglx.so
[12:48] <stdin> !language
[12:48] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[12:48] <dwidmann> a good what, steel_lady?
[12:48] <endo602> failed to load module "glx"
[12:48] <juano> steel_lady: dunno.. :P. its very easy from the package i told you on http://amsn-project.net/features.php
[12:48] <juano> steel_lady: though you need to do sudo apt-get install tcl8.4 first
[12:49] <dwidmann> endo602, you would't mind pasting your /etc/X11/xorg.conf for me would you?
[12:49] <endo602> FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/volatile/nvidia.ko
[12:49] <rich__> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree to install flash9 still doesn't work
[12:49] <Minataku> Heh, if you're ever editing an important file and you're afraid you'll screw it up, open a terminal (if you're not editing it from one already), go to the folder it's located and type "cp <filename> <filename>.backup"; In the event you DO screw it up, you can restore the old file with "cp <filename>.backup <filename>"
[12:50] <Minataku> (That would make a good bot tip)
[12:50] <steel_lady> juano i DID IT WITH SUDO
[12:52] <steel_lady> I don't see where is the download link
[12:52] <K-Ryan> hey guys
[12:52] <K-Ryan> if anyone is looking for a game
[12:52] <K-Ryan> get stratagus
[12:52] <Kr4t05> stdin: I think I may have been a simple problem of me updating the kernel and not realizing it.
[12:52] <K-Ryan> its like starcraft and great
[12:53] <Kr4t05> Hence, my drivers broke and left me cursing at my monitors.
[12:53] <endo602> dwidmann you there?
[12:53] <endo602> can i paste it into a pastebin?
[12:53] <dwidmann> oops, yep, I'm here
[12:54] <dwidmann> Yes you can
[12:55] <Minataku> Hm
[12:55] <Minataku> !seen genii
[12:55] <ubotu> I last saw genii (n=chatzill@204-225-123-158.xdsl.convoke.net) 22h 39m 58s ago, quiting: Remote closed the connection
[12:57] <endo602> any luck
[12:58] <endo602> ?
[12:58] <dwidmann> h
[12:58] <dwidmann> what with?
[01:00] <codyt> yawn
[01:00] <endo602> with finding something from my xorg?
[01:00] <endo602> i pasted it in pastebin
[01:01] <dwidmann> I think you forgot to paste the link?
[01:02] <endo602>  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1993/
[01:03] <endo602> [18:54]  <endo602> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1993/
[01:03] <rodrigo> hola
[01:04] <Minataku> !es | rodrigo
[01:04] <ubotu> rodrigo: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[01:04] <Minataku> :)
[01:05] <HailandKill> Today's been one giant step back... try to sort out the wireless connection and all I've managed to do is break my track bap =/
[01:05] <codyt> You are registered Linux user number 439863.
[01:05] <HailandKill> ..see, I'm even spelling bad bap...
[01:05] <HailandKill> And I meant then to say pad
[01:05] <HailandKill> oh dear
[01:07] <rich__> !flash
[01:07] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:08] <endo602> any luck
[01:09] <jager> ok i can't figure it out
[01:09] <jager> what do i have to do to get edgy to jhave sound with flash 9?
[01:10] <jager> this is a dist-upgrade
[01:19] <endo602> dwidmann  you see it?
[01:19] <dwidmann> I went down for dinner, I'm pulling it up now
[01:19] <endo602> cool
[01:20] <endo602> what is the compand to instal a .deb file?
[01:20] <hatta> dpkg -i package.deb
[01:20] <Morbo> sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[01:20] <dwidmann> Hmm, it looks alright to me, endo602
[01:21] <Morbo> Nice topic :)
[01:21] <dwidmann> topic?
[01:22] <Morbo> er, sorry
[01:22] <Morbo> Thought I was typing in -offtopic :)
[01:26] <iankesterhaney> how can i get debug info from dpkg, it keeps saying i should pipe the output but says the same with the pipe
[01:33] <matias> hola ?
[01:33] <LeeJunFan> do java popups work in outlook express html e-mails? I've got some spammers e-mail addy's I'm wanting to reply to in a bad way to do some nasty stuff to them. hehe
[01:34] <HYeahMFr> i would not think so
[01:34] <HYeahMFr> its worth a try
[01:35] <K-Ryan> matias, hablas espanol?
[01:35] <matias> yo si :o
[01:35] <K-Ryan> !es
[01:35] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[01:35] <matias> gracias :o
[01:35] <K-Ryan> de nada
[01:36] <malik_> whats the plugin for viewing pdf files in firefox?
[01:36] <K-Ryan> did you search pdf in the extension area?
[01:36] <jager> kpdf?
[01:36] <K-Ryan> jager he wants the one for Firefox
[01:36] <K-Ryan> not Kubuntu
[01:36] <malik_> i have kpdf but firefox is not using it
[01:37] <malik_> i am using kubuntu
[01:37] <malik_> edgy 6.10
[01:37] <rich__> how to I completely unuinstall  flashplugin-nonfree and sun-java5-jre so I can re-install them?
[01:38] <CVirus> malik_: Firefox doesn't use Kaprts so it can't run Kpdf
[01:38] <CVirus> malik_: you need an embedded viewer ?
[01:38] <K-Ryan> CVirus we know, he wants to know the plugin for FireFox
[01:38] <K-Ryan> *the name of the plugin for Firefox
[01:38] <K-Ryan> I'd get it for you but I don't have Firefox installed atm
[01:39] <malik_> CVirus: yes embedded with wich i can sometime edit it too like i can in konqi and kpdf?
[01:39] <malik_> but if thats not possible then i ll settle with just viewer
[01:39] <malik_> :)
[01:39] <aphex_twin> q: I need the postgresql 8.2 packages from http://ftp.port80.se/ubuntu/pool/main/p/postgresql-8.2/ but I'm not sure what the line should look like in my sources.list
[01:39] <CVirus> malik_: check this https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/636/
[01:40] <CVirus> bbl
[01:41] <K-Ryan> anyone know if xcruise needs opengl?
[01:43] <dwidmann> k-ryan: well, it's a 3d app, so it's a likely possibility, try it and see if it performs (or not) and you'll know
[01:43] <K-Ryan> Yeah, that's what I figured I'd try.
[01:43] <K-Ryan> It's not in the required packages so I don't think it needs it.
[01:44] <K-Ryan> I'm finally starting to get everything down right.
[01:45] <K-Ryan> dwidmann it doesn;t
[01:45] <K-Ryan> *doesn't
[01:46] <K-Ryan> But it sure is neat, take a quick look at it
[01:47] <jontec> #apache
[01:47] <dwidmann> whoooaaaaaaaaa
[01:47] <dwidmann> that is neat!
[01:47] <K-Ryan> i know right?
[01:48] <dwidmann> Very nice stuff :) I'll have to show that to people
[01:49] <iron> i am real new with linux where can i find streamtuner (internet radio thingy)
[01:49] <K-Ryan> You can use Amarok for internet radio
[01:49] <K-Ryan> Just need the extracodecs
[01:49] <K-Ryan> !lib-extracodecs
[01:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lib-extracodecs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:49] <dwidmann> vlc works for internet radio too, as does kaffeine
[01:49] <K-Ryan> hrmm, can't remember the name of it
[01:49] <DrNickRiviera> i just upgraded to edgy eft using apt-get and while running dist-upgrade i got a lot of messages like this: perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[01:50] <K-Ryan> But Amarok comes with a bunch of cool radio stations =)
[01:50] <DrNickRiviera> but then this follows: perl: warning: Setting locale failed., does that mean it's ok?
[01:50] <DrNickRiviera> am a bit unsure whether there have been any big problems or not
[01:50] <K-Ryan> DrNickRiviera, I had the same thing and I'm running Edgy fine
[01:50] <DrNickRiviera> ok :)
[01:51] <K-Ryan> Just afterward be sure to run apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:51] <K-Ryan> and something else... what was it dwidmann?
[01:51] <dwidmann> I must thank those amarok stations though ... the digitally imported ones pointed me at a decent web host :)
[01:51] <K-Ryan> Hmm?
[01:51] <K-Ryan> di.fm?
[01:51] <K-Ryan> I've been listening to them for a while now
[01:51] <DrNickRiviera> i got those messages while running dist-upgrade
[01:52] <K-Ryan> A game I played actually had the stations from them coded into the game
[01:52] <K-Ryan> DrNickRiviera, hold on one sec
[01:52] <K-Ryan> !edgy
[01:52] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes
[01:52] <K-Ryan> Let me check what the two things were
[01:53] <rich__> can someone give me a web site to see if I installed java correctly?
[01:53] <K-Ryan> rich__ the java website usually has java apps running
[01:54] <K-Ryan> DrNickRiviera it seems that should do it, I had the locale error things but it still worked for me.
[01:55] <K-Ryan> However if you have trouble you can boot from your live cd(im assuming you have one) and come back on here and ask someone more experienced
[01:56] <K-Ryan> dwidmann have you done anything with programming/coding?
[01:56] <K-Ryan> (im asking you because you seem to be very helpful)
[01:56] <DrNickRiviera> ok, thanks for you help K-Ryan
[01:56] <K-Ryan> Your welcome DrNickRiviera
[01:57] <rich__> !pastebin
[01:57] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:57] <rich__> I get this error when installing flashplugin-non free http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1994/
[01:58] <K-Ryan> hold on rich__ im taking al ook
[01:58] <K-Ryan> *a look
[01:59] <dwidmann>  K-Ryan: a bit
[01:59] <dwidmann> looking to do more, but I've just not got around to it yet
[01:59] <K-Ryan> okay then, could I use the package sec to create a program to do a kind of math equation for me?
[02:00] <K-Ryan> it just caught my eye
[02:00] <K-Ryan> and thought "could start here if it does what I think it does"
[02:00] <dwidmann> Well, I can, but I'd need to see the equation first or something?
[02:01] <php-freak>  hey guys how do I compile curl with linux, I've downloaded libcurl, and curl, but php it still saying undefinec call to function curl?
[02:01] <K-Ryan> rich__ in adept_manager search flashplugin-nonfree then click details, check to make sure all of the required packages are installed
[02:01] <K-Ryan> dwidmann, I was thinking about trying to do it myself =P
[02:01] <dwidmann> k-ryan
[02:01] <endo602> dwidmann i did it
[02:02] <dwidmann> K-Ryan: /usr/share/doc/diveintopython/html/toc/index.html
[02:03] <php-freak>  hey guys how do I compile curl with linux, I've downloaded libcurl, and curl, but php it still saying undefinec call to function curl?
[02:03] <dwidmann> php-freak, you could try apt-build
[02:04] <php-freak> yea
[02:04] <php-freak> have you done it before?
[02:04] <FFForever> where do i move the java 6 bin file?
[02:04] <dwidmann> I've never used apt-build ... I usually just either ./configure && make && sudo make install, or fakeroot debian/rules binary ...
[02:05] <dwidmann> FFForever, you need to execute it
[02:05] <FFForever> when i execute it, it extracted it to my desktop (lol)
[02:05] <dwidmann> chmod +x something.bin && sh something.bin
[02:05] <FFForever> where does java install?
[02:05] <php-freak> ahhh
[02:05] <K-Ryan> dwidmann should i go with debian python?
[02:05] <dwidmann> FFForever: it exctracted it, but you move the extracted stuff somewhere else ...
[02:05] <FFForever> where?
[02:06] <dwidmann> k-ryan: you should already have python installed
[02:06] <rich__> is it ok to install flash and java from adept manager?
[02:06] <K-Ryan> oh =)
[02:07] <K-Ryan> then how do i open it dwidmann, whats the package name?
[02:07] <php-freak> is apt-get the same as the adept package gui manager?
[02:08] <K-Ryan> yes php-freak
[02:08] <yappo_> can some one tell me how to install mplayer on ubuntu so I can watch quicktime trailers
[02:08] <yappo_> I am a newbie
[02:08] <K-Ryan> yappo_ try going to your terminal
[02:08] <HymnToLife> yappo_, from within websites ?
[02:08] <K-Ryan> type "sudo apt-get install mplayer"
[02:08] <php-freak> how do i get curl
[02:09] <yappo_> it didn't work when I entered that text in terminal
[02:09] <K-Ryan> what did it say?
[02:09] <dwidmann> k-ryan: pull up a terminal, type in python, you'll get your python shell
[02:09] <yappo_> Package mplayer is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[02:09] <yappo_> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[02:09] <yappo_> is only available from another source
[02:09] <yappo_> E: Package mplayer has no installation candidate
[02:10] <kubuntu_noob> can anyone help with Kubuntu OSX networking???
[02:10] <K-Ryan> Hrmm, yappo_ you haven't enabled your repositories have you?
[02:10] <yappo_> what is the problem
[02:10] <yappo_> what is that?
[02:10] <K-Ryan> Then you haven't ;)
[02:10] <yappo_> How do I enable them
[02:10] <dwidmann> !multiverse | yappo_
[02:10] <ubotu> yappo_: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:10] <kubuntu_noob> is there anyway to share files from an
[02:10] <K-Ryan> yappo_ are you running Kubuntu or Ubuntu?
[02:11] <yappo_> ubuntu
[02:11] <kubuntu_noob> OSx system with Kubuntu?
[02:11] <K-Ryan> Then try #ubuntu
[02:11] <K-Ryan> I'm not sure what the package manager is for Ubuntu
[02:11] <kubuntu_noob> can anyone help with Kubuntu OSX networking???
[02:12] <yappo_> I found where I can enable it
[02:12] <yappo_> its just updating the package information
[02:13] <yappo_> after I enabled the repositories
[02:13] <endo602> what is the difference between binding folders and linking them?
[02:13] <K-Ryan> Okay, in your package manager
[02:13] <K-Ryan> search mplayer
[02:13] <K-Ryan> it should come up, click it, install it
[02:13] <K-Ryan> That simple
[02:13] <K-Ryan> Well click "request install" then "apply updates"
[02:14] <kubuntu_noob> can anyone help with Kubuntu OSX networking???
[02:14] <yappo_> oh okay thanks
[02:14] <endo602> what is the diff btw linking and binding directories
[02:14] <dwidmann> I know nothing about osx networking ... doesn't it use zeroconf or something?
[02:15] <K-Ryan> You're welcome yappo_ let me know if it doesn't work.
[02:15] <K-Ryan> dwdimann i can't type in this thing it tells me to type in
[02:15] <GM_Debian> kubuntu_noob: what do you want to do?
[02:15] <rich__> I tried downloading java and flash from Adept and I used terminal also, I can't believe this isn't working
[02:15] <K-Ryan> I'm on this page"/usr/share/doc/diveintopython/html/getting_to_know_python/index.html"
[02:16] <kubuntu_noob> i would like to access my mac via my kubuntu system to retireve some filess that i had backed up from my move from winblows
[02:16] <dwidmann> endo602, I've never heard of binding directories ... as per linking, there are two types of links. There are links, and there are symbolic links ...
[02:16] <GM_Debian> kubuntu_noob: just make an nfs share on the osx box then
[02:16] <GM_Debian> kubuntu_noob: apart from that its straight tcp/ip networking
[02:17] <endo602> whats the diffreence?
[02:17] <dwidmann> Hmm, as per binding, you can bind one directory to another with the mount command .... mount --bind first second
[02:17] <endo602> yeah what is the diff
[02:17] <jager> apt-get autoremove
[02:17] <endo602> i want to make an equivalent of a shortcut
[02:17] <kubuntu_noob> is it possible to use a similar setup as i had with my winblows sytem? i.e. samba?
[02:17] <dwidmann> symbolic link is followable ... hard link is seen as just a file with some text in it
[02:17] <jager> oops
[02:17] <yappo_> does anyone know how to get flash 9 media to work on ubuntu
[02:18] <GM_Debian> kubuntu_noob: you can, but why would you use win networking on two unix boxes
[02:18] <endo602> dwidmann what is the command for symbollic link
[02:18] <K-Ryan> So guys, how long do you think it will take the Linux community to build a Vista compatability program?
[02:18] <K-Ryan> Just out of curiosity
[02:18] <jager> compatible with what?
[02:18] <FFForever> anyone going to help me?
[02:18] <dwidmann> ln -s originalfile [newfile] 
[02:18] <K-Ryan> Iunno, isn't Vista supposed to change a lot of things?
[02:19] <jager> as far as i could tell vista used the same sort of networking as xp
[02:19] <jager> samba shares worked as expected
[02:19] <jager> filesystem is still ntfs i believe, and r/w ntfs is working fine
[02:19] <K-Ryan> Just curious
[02:19] <kubuntu_noob> i also have a winblows system on the workgroup
[02:19] <codyt> do you still have to defrag vista?
[02:19] <K-Ryan> I'm probably not going to get Vista unless I get a new computer that has it as default OS
[02:20] <dwidmann> for example, if you're in /home/bob, and you type ln -s /usr/bin/blah, it will create a link to /usr/bin/blah in /home/bob. Another example: if you're in, lets say, /, and you ln -s /usr/bin/blah /usr/local/bin/blah, it will create a link to /usr/bin/blah in /usr/local/bin, with name blah
[02:20] <jager> most of what changed in vista was content protection and drm, as far as i can tell
[02:20] <K-Ryan> **I'm not
[02:20] <jager> i'll never run vista if i can avoid it
[02:20] <K-Ryan> DRM?
[02:20] <jager> digital rights management, they  call it
[02:20] <K-Ryan> Ah
[02:20] <codyt> I'll never get vista, I'd never buy a computer with it installed.
[02:20] <GM_Debian> a sym link is just a pointer, with a hard link both the file and link share the same inode
[02:21] <jager> digital restrictions management if you want to be stallmanistic about it
[02:21] <codyt> only way I'd get vista, is if someone handed me a box with it installed, for free.
[02:21] <K-Ryan> Why wouldn't you buy a comp that already had it?
[02:21] <dwidmann> codyt, better be learning how to build one then, if you haven't already ;)
[02:21] <K-Ryan> It's not like you can't put Linux on it
[02:21] <jager> because it adds to the cost of the  machine
[02:21] <codyt> dwidmann, exactly. (:
[02:21] <K-Ryan> Oh yeah...
[02:21] <dwidmann> Because you're paying for the operating system whether it's on the invoice or not
[02:21] <jager> vista even for oems is a chunk of change
 mplayer has installed but when I went ot the quicktime site through mozilla it would play the movie trailer, can you tell me how to get the plugin for mozilla
[02:21] <jager> that they pass along to you
[02:21] <RadiantFire> does anyone know how to active that s-video output on an intel 945GM videocard?
[02:22] <matthew_> hiya every1
[02:22] <yappo_> so mplayer will play them
[02:22] <codyt> K-Ryan, why pay the extra $199+ for Vista?
[02:22] <K-Ryan> yappo_ I can't get quickplayer working for mozilla even on Winblows lol, sorry
[02:22] <jager> exactly codyt
[02:22] <jager> and at retail it's even more
[02:22] <jager> http://badvista.fsf.org/
[02:22] <dwidmann> OEMs manage to get a steep discount, but even so, it's still gonna cost 'em
[02:22] <jager> http://www.defectivebydesign.org/en/node
[02:23] <kubuntu_noob> in konqueror can i specify a user name and password for loging into a networked computer?
[02:23] <canllaith> Does anyone know how I can get back the normal KDE control panel module to configure my display? The kubuntu one that comes with guidance is forcing me to 1024x768 and that is *not* the native resolution of my display. Works just fine under Gnome and under KDE on every other distribution.
[02:23] <GM_Debian> please, no rms spam
[02:23] <codyt> still costs something, and every bit of cost is factored into margin.
[02:23] <jager> and you should read this: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
[02:23] <canllaith> kubuntu_noob: you can make it username:password@hostname in the addressbar
[02:23] <dwidmann> rms != spam
[02:23] <canllaith> With the protocol infront of course.. so smb: or ftp: etc
[02:24] <php-freak> hey guys how do i get curl through the ap-get?
[02:24] <canllaith> smb:/user:password@host etc
[02:24] <jager> and links to educational resources != spam either
[02:24] <GM_Debian> real educational
[02:24] <canllaith> Display, anyone? 1024x768 is starting to get pretty wearing.....
[02:24] <K-Ryan> The Windows community will wear away even faster now.
[02:24] <dsmith> heh
[02:25] <K-Ryan> Sadly not everyone will completely switch over
[02:25] <K-Ryan> Due to the whole "It's always been here and that's what we're used to." thing
[02:25] <dsmith> oh well such that it be, I have had 5-6 ppl ask me today about VIsta
[02:25] <dwidmann> sadly most won't switch over at all :(
[02:25] <dsmith> I turned them all onto Ubuntu
[02:25] <yappo_> how can I watch quicktime movie trailers with firefox
[02:25] <yappo_> ?
[02:25] <K-Ryan> Nice dsmith
[02:25] <dsmith> i fired up another laptop
[02:25] <dsmith> and gave it tothem to play with
[02:25] <K-Ryan> yappo+ have you tried the extension area of firefox?
[02:26] <dsmith> yappo...automatix
[02:26] <jager> did you look at the last link?  it's an extremely compelling case that almost all of what is new in vista isn't designed to benefit the end user at all
[02:26] <GM_Debian> canllaith: you can type kcontrol in a console
[02:26] <K-Ryan> jager someone gave me that the other day
[02:26] <K-Ryan> I know that Vista is bad =P
[02:26] <dsmith> Jager: peter gibson did a nice audio presentation about it
[02:26] <jager> i heard that the other day
[02:26] <jager> good stuff
[02:26] <dsmith> im like....well
[02:27] <dsmith> I better learn this ubuntu thing
[02:27] <dsmith> vista looking like crapp
[02:27] <matthew_> looks like i will be dual booting vista and kubuntu
[02:27] <dwidmann> they talk like vista is more secure ... it isn't.
[02:27] <dsmith> more secure then what?
[02:27] <dsmith> lol
[02:28] <dwidmann> than previous versions of itself.
[02:28] <matthew_> but that aint hard :D
[02:28] <K-Ryan> Vista is like a downgrade of XP
[02:28] <dwidmann> Indeed.
[02:28] <K-Ryan> Except for a shiny interface
[02:28] <K-Ryan> But who needs a shiny interface? Linux users can make their own shiny interface!
[02:28] <dwidmann> guarenteed to run slower and waste more memory.
[02:28] <matthew_> which needs pratically a brand spanking new computer to use anyway
[02:28] <dsmith> im like today, why would our ofice ever upgrade/downgrade to vista. What benefit would it give to us??
[02:28] <FFForever> is there a java 6 deb?
[02:29] <dwidmann> K-Ryan: heard of Beryl?
[02:29] <dsmith> and we wuld have to use all new pc's
[02:29] <matthew_> they recommend 2gb ram!
[02:29] <dsmith> i am pushing everyone to thin cleints via Citrix
[02:29] <dwidmann> FFForever, yes ... I forget where I got it though
[02:29] <dsmith> *clients
[02:29] <K-Ryan> Yes dwidmann, but I'm too lazy to get my monitor sync values to setup opengl correctly.
[02:29] <yappo_> I had ubuntu a while agp ago and this guy put this player which would automatically play the media
[02:29] <yappo_> from firefox
[02:29] <K-Ryan> So I have a nice theme going for me right now.
[02:29] <dwidmann> Umm, FFForever, google for looking glass 3d ... they have java 6 debs there
[02:29] <dsmith> im afraid to screw with my vid settings
[02:30] <K-Ryan> its on http://www.kde-look.org   it's called future cyber punk i think
[02:30] <dsmith> I have to reload my backup config file
[02:30] <K-Ryan> Its great
[02:31] <K-Ryan> this one! http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=50416
[02:31] <K-Ryan> Matches my background too
[02:31] <K-Ryan> See? http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/1618/snapshot1sp1.jpg
[02:32] <Kr4t05> Hrm, I have to give my computer some credit. It's not a peice of junk, yet.
[02:32] <K-Ryan> As long as you don't run Vista it won't seem like that =P
[02:32] <Kr4t05> I'm converting 2 AVI files to Ogg Theora at the same time, and I can still do other things.
[02:33] <rich__> I have flash following directions from http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/flash....
[02:33] <rich__> but adept and konsole didnt work :(
[02:33] <FFForever> i still cant find it :/, i found project looking glass thoe
[02:33] <K-Ryan> Hrmm, guys could I install Kubuntu to my external hard drive? it's permanantly formatted fat32 but could i just install it on there and use a floppy for boot?
[02:33] <jager> i can't get sound in flash for the life of me
[02:33] <canllaith> GM_Debian: No no, I mean the actual control centre module has been removed
[02:33] <canllaith> and replaced with a kubuntu one
[02:33] <WiZarD-X> i'm attempting to install amarok, but it is not recognizing that i already have mysql-common loaded. can anyone offer any help on this?
[02:33] <GM_Debian> got sidetracked, but whoever was asking about qt in mozilla, the package is mplayerplug-in, you'll need to add a restricted format repo to get it, and the codecs
[02:34] <canllaith> Not the application that embeds the modules.
[02:34] <canllaith> The actual module itself
[02:34] <rich__> how do I install java5 on kubuntu
[02:34] <RadiantFire> sudo apt-get installl sun-java5-jdk
[02:34] <dwidmann> rich__ first enable multiverse, then install sun-java5-jre
[02:34] <FFForever> i need 6 :)
[02:34] <FFForever> i found the debs but yeah :/
[02:35] <dwidmann> FFForever: so you found the java 6 debs ... did you install them?
[02:35] <FFForever> wont let me
[02:35] <Corpis> wtf?
[02:35] <dwidmann> why not?
[02:35] <Corpis> why wont fire fox load after I install it?
[02:35] <FFForever> dependency problems.......
[02:35] <TooZe> anyone can help me with the pixelview playtv 400 usb? where can i find the driver for this?
[02:36] <FFForever> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/s/sun-java6/
[02:36] <K-Ryan> !drivers
[02:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about drivers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:36] <GM_Debian> i used this to get mustang http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/pool/edgy/3v1n0/make-jpkg-mustang_0.7.8+3v1ubuntu2_all.deb
[02:36] <GM_Debian> works fine as far as i can tell
[02:37] <K-Ryan> Anyone listen to Armin Van Buuren?
[02:37] <jager> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=317000  <-- java 6?
[02:37] <dwidmann> you're not looking where I had hoped you were looking ffforever
[02:37] <K-Ryan> There's an old ASOT episode playing on http://addicted.puredj.com:8000
[02:37] <K-Ryan> Really good though
[02:37] <jager> canllaith: did you get your display sorted?
[02:38] <canllaith> jager: Nope.
[02:38] <FFForever> thanks dwidmann
[02:38] <jager> did you try dpkg-reconfiger xserver-org?
[02:38] <jager> er dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:38] <jager> ?
[02:38] <canllaith> jager: What I want is to remove the kubuntu KDE control centre module for configuring the display and replace it with the stock KDE one.
[02:38] <K-Ryan> There's a Kubuntu login screen designed to look like Windows
[02:38] <K-Ryan> Eww
[02:39] <rich__> do I have to reboot once java is installed?
[02:39] <dwidmann> FFForever: https://lg3d.dev.java.net/lg3d-getting-started.html#Installation
[02:39] <jager> did you try launching kcontrol from konsole?
[02:39] <RadiantFire> canllaith: you can access the stock configurator with kcontrol command
[02:39] <canllaith> No, you cannot.
[02:39] <canllaith> You guys are confusing Kcontrol with the modules inside it.
[02:39] <jager> ah
[02:40] <canllaith> If I launch KControl and navigate to Peripherals -> Display, I get a kubuntu customisation. It's part of Guidance.
[02:40] <jager> you should still try
[02:40] <canllaith> I want the stock one back.
[02:40] <jager> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:40] <jager> that
[02:40] <dwidmann> I know the link above is to something that requires java 6 ... so I figured it'd be worth linking
[02:40] <canllaith> No, because my xorg.conf is correctly configured.
[02:40] <canllaith> I would like the stock KDE configuration module back.
[02:40] <jager> or you could ignore me when i try to help you
[02:40] <FFForever> home come i don't see java 6 in update-alts?
[02:40] <jager> excellent idea
[02:40] <CaBlGuY> !rar
[02:40] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[02:40] <canllaith> jager: Hi, I'm a KDE developer. I documented the KDE control centre. Nice to meet you.
[02:40] <dwidmann> FFForever, not sure
[02:40] <jager> pleasure
[02:41] <jager> ubuntu is still weird though
[02:41] <dwidmann> it doesn't get put in there unless the package handles it.
[02:41] <canllaith> jager: I don't need to change my xorg.conf, I just need the stock KDE dialogue back.
[02:41] <jager> you ought to give that a shot
[02:41] <matthew_> atm is there any way of playing counter-strike source on linux or is it a no no?
[02:41] <CaBlGuY> !info unrar-free
[02:41] <ubotu> unrar-free: Unarchiver for .rar files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.0.1+cvs20060609-1 (edgy), package size 17 kB, installed size 80 kB
[02:41] <canllaith> If you don't know how to do that, cool. If you do, please tell me what package I can install to use it instead of Guidance.
[02:41] <dwidmann> matthew_: check appdb.winehq.org
[02:41] <sampan> matthew_  if you search google you'll find people running cs:s on linux (via wine)
[02:41] <jager> i can't help you with the module, i'm sorry, but if you reconfigure you can get the resolution you want in the other module
[02:41] <matthew_> ok thank you
[02:41] <K-Ryan> matthew_ it takes some configuration but you can use Wine
[02:41] <canllaith> jager: No, no I can't :) Thank you anyway.
[02:42] <jager> ok sorry then, wish i knew more :(
[02:43] <Kr4t05> Hrm...
[02:43] <Kr4t05> I'm having some really freaky issues with amarok...
[02:44] <K-Ryan> Anyone know how I can find my Monitor model without looking for a manual?
[02:44] <FFForever> dwidmann, how do i use the java6?
[02:44] <GM_Debian> canllaith: the meta-package kde contains all the official modules, pity it will pull in a lot of stuff you wont want
[02:45] <matthew__> K-Ryan, you should find it somewhere on the monitor
[02:45] <kubuntu_noob> thanks for your help everyone!!
[02:45] <K-Ryan> Is there no way I can find it through system settings or anything?
[02:45] <matthew__> I shouldn't think so. You need to know the model first. Why do you need it? Does PnP not work for you?
[02:46] <matthew__> canllaith, whoa...a girl?!?!
[02:46] <matthew__> lol, jk, canllaith
[02:46] <canllaith> Man, you are so glad I cannot punch you through the screen.
[02:46] <K-Ryan> I need it so I can google it and find the sync values so I can setup opengl
[02:46] <canllaith> Please tell me that you know who I am and know that comment enrages me and that you're giving me shit, and you didn't really intend that to be funny =)
[02:46] <canllaith> (Quick hint: If that is not the answer, pretend it is. Please. For all our sakes.)
[02:46] <matthew__> canllaith, uh, yeah...what you said...
[02:47] <canllaith> Quick lad.
[02:47] <rich__> !pastebin
[02:47] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:47] <K-Ryan> lol, at matthew, not you canllaith
[02:47] <K-Ryan> It's good that Linux isn't just a guy thing
[02:47] <matthew__> K-Ryan, If it's not on the front of the monitor, look for a label on the back....
[02:47] <K-Ryan> Yes matthew__ but that would require effort =)
[02:47] <GM_Debian> canllaith: hey cool you live in NZ
[02:47] <matthew__> K-Ryan, and linux doesn't?
[02:48] <rich__> Can someone help me, this is what I get after sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre
[02:48] <php-freak> hey guys i have php5 installed, but in my package manager its saying not installed why is that?
[02:48] <canllaith> Yup
[02:48] <K-Ryan> I don't mind typing =P
[02:48] <K-Ryan> Oh it's not as bad as I expected
[02:48] <K-Ryan> I was counting on a 30 character line
[02:48] <matthew__> K-Ryan, any luck w/ the monitor?
[02:48] <K-Ryan> Sony HMD-A240
[02:50] <php-freak> hey guys i have php5 installed, but in my package manager its saying not installed why is that?
[02:50] <rich__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2002/
[02:51] <Kr4t05> I have libxine-extracodecs installed, but Amarok fails to notice it... Any help?
[02:52] <K-Ryan> FPIMD OT!
[02:52] <K-Ryan> oops
[02:52] <K-Ryan> I was so excited i didnt hit the right keys..
[02:53] <K-Ryan> it was supposed to read "FOUND IT!"
[02:53] <FFForever> i no longer have a java exe :/
[02:53] <K-Ryan> now how to i reconfigure that fglrx thing?
[02:53] <malik_> is any one able to play videos from msn.com in konqi?
[02:53] <FFForever> how can i get it back?
[02:54] <FFForever> bash: java: command not found
[02:54] <matthew__> K-Ryan, I am no help when it comes to fglrx....sorry. I work only on OLD hardware....
[02:54] <K-Ryan> I just need to know the command to open the ATI fixy thing
[02:55] <K-Ryan> !fglrx
[02:55] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:55] <K-Ryan> =)
[02:55] <malik_> is any one able to play videos from msn.com in konqi?
[02:55] <FFForever> anyone wanna help me?
[02:58] <codyt> is it possible to network a linux box and windows box by running the ethernet cable directly from one box to the other, or is a router required? (I only have one cable)
[02:59] <Theory> codyt: it is possible, but you probably need what is called a crossover cable, rather than a standard cable
[02:59] <codyt> ah.
[03:00] <codyt> I do have a router that my brother gave me.  Don't know if it's any good, and the package that should have contained the software disc was empty..
[03:00] <K-Ryan> Anyone know the command to open up fglrx setup?
[03:00] <malik_> codyt: just hook it up mate it should be okie
[03:00] <dsmith> sudo setup-fglx
[03:00] <dsmith> :P
[03:00] <K-Ryan> thanks
[03:01] <dsmith> kidding!
[03:01] <malik_> any knows how to play videos from msn.com?
[03:01] <K-Ryan> i see that, >:(
[03:01] <dsmith> awwwwwwwwwww
[03:01] <Guest626> i'm installing gentoo onto a box with edgy and windows already on it.  when i do so, my root partition will go from /dev/hda2 to /dev/hda3.  However, in edgy, my fstab lists the root partition with a UUID.  Is it ok to just change that after the install to /dev/hda3.  In other words will it boot.
[03:01] <dsmith> sudo fix me a hot tea
[03:01] <K-Ryan> sudo apt-get moo
[03:01] <K-Ryan> then sudo apt-get moo -v
[03:01] <K-Ryan> keep adding v's
[03:02] <jodoyodo> Alright guys
[03:02] <K-Ryan> err
[03:02] <Theory> no need for sudo
[03:02] <jodoyodo> I'm a noob at Linux
[03:02] <jodoyodo> just installed it today
[03:02] <K-Ryan> maybe thats the wrong thing...
[03:02] <jodoyodo> So I need to learn some stuf
[03:02] <jodoyodo> like why Kopete isn't working
[03:02] <dsmith> welcome to Linux
[03:02] <jodoyodo> thanks
[03:02] <K-Ryan> uhh, i cant remember what it was now...
[03:02] <jodoyodo> My kopete gives me errors
[03:02] <Theory> K-Ryan: try it with 'aptitude moo'
[03:02] <jodoyodo> i can sign in fine, and see my contacts
[03:02] <jodoyodo> but I can't talk to them
[03:02] <K-Ryan> thats what it was!
[03:02] <dsmith> i had trouble today w/ Kopete
[03:02] <K-Ryan> aptitude moo
[03:02] <dsmith> I use gaim for now
[03:03] <jodoyodo> it says 'this user is not reacheable bla bla bla'
[03:03] <K-Ryan> then keep add -v and keep adding v's
[03:03] <jodoyodo> gaim?
[03:03] <dsmith> whats that do k-ryan?
[03:03] <K-Ryan> its funny
[03:03] <K-Ryan> when you get to 6 v's its over
[03:05] <dsmith> lol
[03:05] <K-Ryan> =P
[03:06] <dsmith> awww no easter eggs
[03:06] <MetProphet> Is this the english support-channel for kubuntu?
[03:06] <dsmith> open office has one
[03:06] <sampan> metprophet  yes
[03:06] <dsmith> space invaders
[03:06] <K-Ryan> dsmith whacha mean?
[03:06] <MetProphet> fine
[03:06] <MetProphet> wait a sec
[03:06] <dsmith> wait one
[03:07] <K-Ryan> no about aptitude moo
[03:07] <K-Ryan> you keep adding -v, untill you get to -vvvvvv
[03:07] <MetProphet> Got a problem here with the kwalletmanager
[03:07] <dsmith> my aptitude does not have super cow powers.. :(
[03:07] <K-Ryan> you don't have moo then?
[03:08] <Theory> dsmith: so it claims until you -v
[03:08] <dsmith> An "Easter Egg" in Open Office 2.x
[03:09] <K-Ryan> whats the command line for it?
[03:09] <dsmith> pen a new Calc Spreadsheet window
[03:09] <dsmith> Type =game() press Enter, cell should now read "say what?"
[03:09] <dsmith> Type =game("StarWars") press Enter again.
[03:09] <dsmith> Open a new Calc...
[03:09] <dsmith> brings up space invaders
[03:10] <dsmith> I know Theory
[03:10] <MetProphet> Can anyone help me with the "kwalletmanager"?
[03:10] <jodoyodo> What help do ya need
[03:10] <MetProphet> It does`nt accept my root-PW
[03:10] <jodoyodo> uh
[03:10] <dsmith> sudo apt-get password cracker
[03:10] <dsmith> :P
[03:11] <MetProphet> <-- n00b
[03:11] <jake_> <-- screams bloody murder.. .a HACKER!!!
[03:11] <jake_> lol
[03:11] <dsmith> <<<<<-------nooby then you
[03:11] <codyt> hackers are good, crackers are bad.
[03:12] <K-Ryan> !kopete
[03:12] <jake_> amen
[03:12] <ubotu> kopete: instant messenger for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu2.2 (edgy), package size 6824 kB, installed size 18932 kB
[03:12] <jodoyodo> Crackers are salty
[03:12] <K-Ryan> !kopetehelp
[03:12] <dsmith> :(, I love saltines..
[03:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kopetehelp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:12] <codyt> sardines?
[03:12] <dsmith> Saltine crackers
[03:12] <codyt> those are good too.
[03:12] <dsmith> aye
[03:12] <jodoyodo> Anyone here good with Kopete?
[03:13] <MetProphet> What can i do? I already removed it and re-installed it, nothing changed.
[03:13] <dsmith> google search for help
[03:13] <dsmith> thats what I do 99.9998% of the time
[03:13] <codyt> jodoyodo, wha tkind of problem are you having with it?
[03:14] <codyt> most of the time I use google.com/linux
[03:14] <dsmith> seems my memory is staying low as well now
[03:14] <codyt> google.com when that fails. (sometimes it filters relavent things)
[03:14] <MetProphet> Did already, no help in german. My english isn`t that good.
[03:14] <K-Ryan> Guys when trying to configure Fglx and I type this line it tells me it doesn't exist
[03:14] <K-Ryan> bash ./ati-driver-installer-<version>.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/edgy
[03:14] <jake_> dont feel bad.. my spanish is no good
[03:14] <dsmith> neither is mine Klingon...
[03:14] <rich__> anyone know the command to install the java5 plugin?
[03:14] <jake_> lmao
[03:14] <php-freak> hey guys how do i uninstall my current version of php5? i want to install it from the package manager?
[03:15] <K-Ryan> !de | MetProphet
[03:15] <ubotu> MetProphet: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[03:15] <codyt> oh, wasn't there a klingon google page?
[03:15] <jodoyodo> (codyt, i pmed you)
[03:15] <dsmith> i dont know
[03:15] <codyt> sorry, not use to xchat, didn't notice.
[03:15] <MetProphet> K-Ryan: Even they couldnt help me.
[03:15] <dsmith> never saw that one
[03:15] <jodoyodo> lol k
[03:15] <K-Ryan> Oh, wasn't sure if you tried there yet.
[03:15] <jake_> sudo apt-get remove php5
[03:15] <jake_> isnt that it?
[03:16] <dsmith> sudo apt-get uninstall php5
[03:16] <dsmith> maybe that one?
[03:16] <jake_> lol
[03:16] <php-freak> no i didn't use package manager to install it
[03:16] <php-freak> thats the problem
[03:16] <jake_> naah.. it remove.. just not sure the package name
[03:16] <dsmith> <<<<----noooby
[03:16] <jake_> O
[03:16] <K-Ryan> Has anyone installed Fglrx in edgy that could help me out here?
[03:16] <jake_> <-- nobodyer
[03:17] <dsmith> try the forums?
[03:17] <codyt> google's offering me money..
[03:17] <K-Ryan> scam, dont listen to it
[03:17] <dsmith> hahah
[03:17] <morka> dont take it, send the cheque to me
[03:17] <jodoyodo> so I get this error when I click on my Kopete contacts
[03:17] <jake_> codyt.. take the money.. ask if theyll give me some too
[03:17] <K-Ryan> "just insert your bank account number and pin here, then you will receive your free gift!"
[03:17] <codyt> Google will give you $10
[03:17] <codyt> to spend when you use Google Checkout.
[03:17] <jodoyodo> it says 'This contact is unreacheable at the moment, something something protocol, something something''
[03:17] <dsmith> they deposit $10,000 USD into your bank acct. you just have to give them full access to your bank account
[03:17] <K-Ryan> Of course
[03:17] <K-Ryan> They deposit $10, and take the rest!
[03:18] <dsmith> lmfao
[03:18] <jake_> lol
[03:18] <morka> u can sign power of attorney here, codyt...
[03:18] <codyt> haha
[03:18] <K-Ryan> So, has anyone installed Fglrx in edgy? I need help with it...
[03:18] <jake_> thank god for linux.. gives me something to do
[03:18] <manchicken> fglrx is evil.
[03:18] <jake_> so am I
[03:19] <manchicken> Screws up all ACPI.
[03:19] <codyt> http://www.google.com/intl/xx-klingon/
[03:19] <jake_> haha
[03:19] <manchicken> And it's rather slow for being "accelerated."
[03:19] <K-Ryan> If it is so evil, suggest me something else to get OpenGl working on my ATI Radeon 9800
[03:19] <codyt> from what I've read, ATI has been quite a pain on linux.
[03:19] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Buy a card that doesn't require proprietary drivers?  Other than that, your choices are to not use 3D, or not have a stable system.
[03:19] <dsmith> I prefer nvidia
[03:20] <manchicken> nvidia is just as bad.
[03:20] <dsmith> oh?
[03:20] <K-Ryan> manchicken what did you build your own card?
[03:20] <morka> so...uh
[03:20] <codyt> I had very little trouble with my nvidia card, but the drivers are non-free as well, I think.
[03:20] <manchicken> Yeah, try suspend, resume, sleep, using variable-speed CPUs, UPS', etc.
[03:20] <morka> does xgl come by default with ubuntu now?
[03:20] <Morbo> AIGLX does
[03:20] <dsmith> no
[03:20] <manchicken> K-Ryan: I use an onboard ATI card without 3d.
[03:21] <Morbo> Feisty will have composite enabled by default
[03:21] <K-Ryan> Okay well I want to be able to play OpenGl stuff
[03:21] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Intel makes card that supports free software 3D drivers.
[03:21] <K-Ryan> Okay manchicken except I'm not exactly made of money
[03:21] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Then you'll have to deal with a less than stable system.
[03:21] <K-Ryan> I realize that
[03:21] <dsmith> i love stable systems
[03:22] <php-freak> hey guys how can i remove my current version fo php5
[03:22] <dsmith> I once had a DALNET box running for 2.5 years
[03:22] <dsmith> without a restart
[03:22] <php-freak> its not package verison, and I can't remember what one i installed
[03:22] <K-Ryan> I would rather try it and remove it than not try it at all.
[03:22] <dsmith> P2 300
[03:22] <php-freak> someone from here helped me with it along time go
[03:22] <manchicken> dsmith: My personal fileserver only went down recently because I upgraded to edgy.
[03:22] <dsmith> php-freak...logs?
[03:22] <php-freak> nope
[03:22] <dsmith> i use NASlite as my fileserver
[03:23] <K-Ryan> Wait, it seems like ATI has Linux drivers...
[03:23] <php-freak> i wish i could get my dual monitor support too work :(
[03:23] <MetProphet> Gotta go now. I`ll continue tomorrow. cya
[03:23] <php-freak> i have a external usb video dual card thingy
[03:23] <manchicken> K-Ryan: They have linux drivers, but they're far from stable.
[03:24] <codyt> heh
[03:24] <codyt> "Google Elmer Fud"
[03:24] <K-Ryan> There are two D's
[03:24] <codyt> ok.
[03:24] <manchicken> K-Ryan: I've tried several times.  Always the same.  X freezes unexpectedly, ACPI interrupts don't fire properly...
[03:24] <codyt> "I'm feewing wucky"
[03:24] <K-Ryan> manchicken what card?
[03:25] <manchicken> I've tried three different cards.
[03:25] <K-Ryan> =(
[03:25] <dsmith> dont goto goggle.com
[03:25] <dsmith> lol
[03:25] <manchicken> ATI Radeon m200, a voodoo card, and then another Radeon card (I think it was an 8900)
[03:25] <K-Ryan> Then you haven't tried mine
[03:25] <K-Ryan> =)
[03:25] <kubuntu_noob> is it possible to move the system tray to the menu bar at the top of the screen?
[03:25] <K-Ryan> Yes
[03:25] <manchicken> K-Ryan: They all use the same driver.
[03:26] <kubuntu_noob> how do i move the system tray to the menu bar at the top of the screen?\
[03:26] <dsmith> well im off
[03:26] <manchicken> kubuntu_noob: Yes, it is possible.  Right-click on the panel, click "Configure Panel"
[03:26] <K-Ryan> kubuntu_noob  you goto the kmenu>system settings>monitor and display
[03:26] <K-Ryan> i think
[03:27] <K-Ryan> wait, no
[03:27] <manchicken> Just configure panel, it's right in there.
[03:27] <K-Ryan> hrmm, im not sure, i got to it accidently before
[03:28] <manchicken> I actually have the panel up top, and an external taskbar below
[03:28] <K-Ryan> Yeah what manchicken said
[03:28] <manchicken> It's nice like that.
[03:28] <K-Ryan> right click the taskbar and goto configure panel
[03:28] <manchicken> I wish you could have none though.
[03:28] <K-Ryan> What do you mean manchicken?
[03:28] <manchicken> It'd be nice to be able to not have a panel.
[03:28] <K-Ryan> You can hide it
[03:28] <manchicken> Yeah, but you can't completely remove it from your desktop and still run kicker.
[03:28] <K-Ryan> its not permanantly gone, but its not really there
[03:28] <K-Ryan> kicker?
[03:29] <manchicken> The program that actually runs the panel
[03:29] <K-Ryan> If you want it gone, why would you still run kicker? o.O
[03:29] <kubuntu_noob> i am really new to this so i'm sorry but under "display" i can't see anything that would allow me to move my systemtray up to the menubar at the top of the screen
[03:30] <K-Ryan> kubuntu_noob thats not it i was wrong
[03:30] <manchicken> Because kicker has some nifty dcop calls that are useful even without the panel.
[03:30] <K-Ryan> right click your taskbar and click configure panel
[03:30] <matthew__> How can I make programs launch automatically on start up? I think the answer lies with init.d, but I don't know anything more than that....
[03:30] <K-Ryan> Well I guess opengl is a matter for tomorrow its getting late...
[03:30] <manchicken> matthew__: System services or user programs?
[03:31] <matthew__> manchicken, user program (rtorrent to be precise)
[03:31] <manchicken> K-Ryan: opengl is really nice.  It's a shame that hardware manufacturers force us into this nasty situation we're in.
[03:31] <manchicken> matthew__: Don't put that in init.d.
[03:31] <matthew__> ok, where do I put it?
[03:31] <manchicken> matthew__: Find the .desktop file for that program, and copy it to your ~/.kde/Autostart
[03:32] <kubuntu_noob> i am in the "configure panel" screen and I can't see anything about editing the system tray, help?
[03:32] <manchicken> (which is a directory)
[03:32] <matthew__> manchicken, uh, ok...lemme look around...I've got it running on a headless server...
[03:32] <manchicken> kubuntu_noob: Is your system tray in your panel?
[03:32] <manchicken> matthew__: Oh, is this a torrent server?
[03:33] <matthew__> torrent client
[03:33] <manchicken> with a GUI?
[03:33] <kubuntu_noob> yes, what i'd like to do is move the system tray from the panel to the menu bad at the top of the screen, can i do that?
[03:33] <matthew__> manchicken, nope, just a CLI
[03:34] <matthew__> !rtorrent
[03:34] <ubotu> rtorrent: ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.3-1 (edgy), package size 232 kB, installed size 636 kB
[03:34] <kubuntu_noob> sorry menu "bar" at the top of the screen
[03:34] <manchicken> Is that a panel?
[03:35] <matthew__> panel? I don't think so. It's a program that runs from the command line w/ no GUI...I'm ssh'ing into my server now to start it up, but I don't want to do that, cause I have to keep the ssh'ing computer on as well as the server. I just want rtorrent to start when I start the server
[03:35] <manchicken> Sorry, that was for kubuntu
[03:35] <kubuntu_noob> i don't think so, it's the menu bar achieved in the "configure desktop" screen
[03:36] <matthew__> manchicken, np
[03:36] <manchicken> kubuntu_noob: I'm not sure that functionality is in place yet.
[03:36] <matthew__> manchicken, no other ideas?
[03:36] <manchicken> kubuntu_noob: I've tried to do the OSX look before, too, but I've not found a good way to do it.
[03:37] <manchicken> matthew__: So you want this program to start when you log into your headless box, or you want it always running even when you're not logged in?
[03:37] <matthew__> manchicken, always running
[03:37] <manchicken> matthew__: Get a shell script in /etc/init.d that'll start the client.
[03:38] <matthew__> ok, and the start of the script should be !#bash  , right?
[03:38] <manchicken> matthew__: But **MAKE VERY SURE** that this script is running the client as a non-privaleged user
[03:38] <manchicken> #!bash
[03:38] <kubuntu_noob> thats cool i just wanted to remove some of the clutter from my desktop
[03:38] <matthew__> definetely
[03:38] <matthew__> manchicken, thanks so much!
[03:38] <manchicken> matthew__: np.
[03:38] <manchicken> If you run that client as root you will be at great great risk.
[03:39] <manchicken> Then, once you have that script...
[03:39] <kubuntu_noob> thanks though!
[03:39] <manchicken> ln -sf that script from /etc/init.d to the corresponding rc.RUNLEVEL path.
[03:39] <manchicken> kubuntu_noob: Want a screenshot of what I do?
[03:39] <manchicken> I guess not ^_^
[03:40] <matthew__> manchicken, the script (minus the #!bash) is just rtorrent, that's what I type to start it manually
[03:42] <matthew__> manchicken, ln -sf /etc/init.d/rtorrent.sh /path/to/rc's  ?
[03:43] <manchicken> matthew__: Gimme a minute
[03:43] <matthew__> np
[03:44] <sleepy745> Why does my adept manager sometimes can't be opene? It gets stuck at the eggtimer
[03:47] <manchicken> matthew__: Make it say `su -c "START_COMMAND" USER`
[03:47] <matthew__> w/o the single quotes, right?
[03:48] <dwidmann> those are accents, not single quotes ... by the looks of it
[03:48] <matthew__> oh...so, with the accents or no?
[03:48] <manchicken> Those are tickmarks.
[03:48] <manchicken> backticks.
[03:48] <dwidmann> same key as the ~
[03:48] <matthew__> oh, ok, so do I need to include them?
[03:49] <manchicken> But don't use them.
[03:49] <matthew__> ok
[03:49] <manchicken> I use backticks in IRC to indicate that it's a command.
[03:49] <dwidmann> come to think of it, they are backwards o.O
[03:49] <matthew__> and should I put #!bash or #!/bin/sh  ?
[03:49] <manchicken> Doesn't matter.
[03:49] <matthew__> ok
[03:49] <manchicken> #!/bin/sh is more "portable"
[03:49] <matthew__> su -c "rtorrent" matthew
[03:49] <manchicken> Although I think #!/bin/sh is a symlink to dash
[03:49] <matthew__> look about right?
[03:49] <manchicken> Yeah.  I believe so.
[03:49] <matthew__> alrighty
[03:50] <matthew__> save as *.sh ?
[03:50] <manchicken> To test it, su to root and try executing it, and then check to verify that it's running as matthew.
[03:50] <manchicken> doesn't matter.
[03:50] <manchicken> Extensions are only for people to read ^_^
[03:50] <manchicken> Many programs in your /bin and /usr/bin are not binary executables.
[03:51] <morka> and some are even non-executable binaries:)
[03:52] <matthew__> which runlevel? I'm thinking rc2.d...
[03:52] <manchicken> what runlevel do you normally run in?
[03:53] <manchicken> It's most likely going to be 3 or 5.
[03:53] <matthew__> TBH, I really don't know...
[03:53] <matthew__> Any easy way to check?
[03:53] <matthew__> or any way, doesn't have to be easy
[03:55] <manchicken> runlevel
[03:55] <matthew__> I'm thinking RL3 after googling around...
[03:55] <manchicken> Ack, I guess it does run normally in 2...
[03:55] <matthew__> N 2
[03:55] <manchicken> Try `runlevel`
[03:55] <manchicken> Then you're at level 2.
[03:55] <matthew__> sweet
[03:55] <matthew__> ok, ln -sf /etc/init.d/rtorrent /etc/rc.d
[03:55] <matthew__> *rc2.d
[03:56] <matthew__> right?
[03:57] <manchicken> Yeah.
[03:58] <matthew__> yay! restarting now!
[03:58] <manchicken> Don't restart yet
[03:58] <manchicken> Test first.
[03:58] <matthew__> ok
[03:58] <manchicken> Just execute the script.
[03:58] <matthew_> just a quick question guys/girls - what is better Xubuntu or Kubuntu?
[03:58] <manchicken> Make sure you chmod +x it.
[03:58] <matthew__> /etc/init.d/rtorrent start        ?
[03:58] <manchicken> No, it'll just be an rtorrent.
[03:58] <manchicken> If you wanted all of that, it'd be a lot more scripting.
[03:59] <matthew__> all of what? oh, the start, restart, stop stuff? I don't care about that
[03:59] <manchicken> So as root, run `/etc/init.d/rtorrent` and then make sure it's running rtorrent as matthew.
[03:59] <manchicken> To kill it, type `killall rtorrent`
[04:00] <matthew__> bash: /etc/init.d/rtorrent: bash: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[04:00] <manchicken> What's the first line of the script
[04:00] <manchicken> ?
[04:00] <matthew__> #!bash
[04:00] <manchicken> Try #!/bin/sh
[04:01] <matthew__> YES! it worked w/ #!/bin/sh...now how can I tell who started it?
[04:02] <matthew__> nvm, I used top
[04:02] <matthew__> I started it (matthew did)
[04:02] <matthew__> yay! I love you manchicken ! I do I do I do!
[04:02] <matthew__> I do believe in faeries, I do, I do!
[04:02] <matthew__> ok, enough of that...thanks a lot for your help!
[04:02] <matthew_> hmmm thats weird......my desktop has seemed to have frozen ... oops
[04:02] <manchicken> So you ran it as root, and it's running as matthew?
[04:02] <matthew__> manchicken, yessir
[04:02] <manchicken> Righto.
[04:03] <manchicken> That's groovy.
[04:03] <matthew__> hey look, another matthew
[04:03] <matthew_> lol
[04:03] <matthew_> hi matthew
[04:03] <matthew__> hi matthew
[04:03] <manchicken> You don't really need to restart your machine.
[04:03] <matthew_> lool
[04:03] <manchicken> You can just keep it running.
[04:03] <manchicken> It'll start it next time.
[04:03] <matthew__> but if I logout from the box...
[04:03] <matthew__> won't it stop rtorrent?
[04:03] <manchicken> Would the real matthew please stand up?
[04:03] <manchicken> Yeah.  Good point.
[04:03] <matthew_> *matthew_ stands up :)
[04:04] <matthew__> stop it! I'm the one he was talking to!
[04:04] <manchicken> eh
[04:04] <matthew_> lol
[04:04] <underdog5004> ok, I'm now underdog
[04:04] <manchicken> heh
[04:04] <underdog5004> manchicken, I'm the one you were talking with
[04:04] <manchicken> konversation owns.
[04:04] <matthew_> *was about to change mine but me
[04:04] <underdog5004> restart?
[04:04] <manchicken> If you want to ^_^
[04:05] <matthew_> or in noob speak = konv3rsat10n 1s 7h3 1337
[04:05] <underdog5004> I just don't want to have the CLI up on my computer. I want to be able to shut my computer down and still have rtorrent cranking away....
[04:05] <underdog5004> on the server
[04:05] <manchicken> Well, it'll give you a chance to test it anyway.  Go ahead and bounce it.
[04:06] <cpk1> either my spdif out stopped working or my digital coaxial in on my reciever stopped working =(
[04:06] <underdog5004> alrighty...
[04:06] <cpk1> I have about $1k worth of equipment that cant be used now =\
[04:06] <unix_infidel> erf?
[04:06] <manchicken> cpk1: Are you using Vista?
[04:06] <cpk1> considering i am in the kubuntu channel no
[04:06] <matthew_> lol
[04:06] <underdog5004> lol
[04:07] <cpk1> I am mostly just venting while i try to troubleshoot
[04:07] <underdog5004> matthew_, how old are you?
[04:07] <manchicken> cpk1: Had to ask.  Vista disables that sort of equipment ^_^
[04:07] <underdog5004> I'm 18
[04:07] <matthew_> 16
[04:07] <underdog5004> whoa...it's like talking to myself...where you at?
[04:07] <underdog5004> Northern California
[04:07] <matthew_> england
[04:07] <underdog5004> oh
[04:07] <manchicken> chicago++
[04:07] <underdog5004> ok, so much for that theory....
[04:07] <cpk1> it was working before vacation, now I come back with a brand new subwoofer and nothing works =(
[04:08] <manchicken> Is it plugged in? ;)
[04:08] <matthew_> lol
[04:08] <matthew_> how u change your nickname on here?
[04:09] <underdog5004>        /NICK nickname
[04:09] <manchicken> Use /nick NICKNAME
[04:09] <matthew_> ok thank you
[04:09] <underdog5004> !register
[04:09] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[04:10] <underdog5004> manchicken, oh shoot...now I get this when I try to ssh in         ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.104 port 22: Connection refused
[04:10] <mattstocker> all done
[04:10] <intelikey> where is the right place to gripe about "find" not working like it should ?
[04:10] <underdog5004> intelikey, here is about good...I'm matthew, by the way
[04:10] <manchicken> did you not start your SSH server?
[04:10] <underdog5004> was matthew
[04:10] <manchicken> Or did you change your firewall settings?
[04:10] <underdog5004> manchicken, oh
[04:10] <underdog5004> damn
[04:10] <underdog5004> brb
[04:10] <mattstocker> so what is everyone up to at this nice time of 3:05 AM?
[04:10] <intelikey> export HORSE="`find /usr/local/ -type l -name weather.expect \;`"  <<< what's wrong with that syntax ?
[04:11] <intelikey> returns error message >>> find: paths must precede expression
[04:11] <cpk1> what i need is an ammeter =\
[04:12] <mcantor> How do I change the order of my buddy groups in Kopete?
[04:12] <mattstocker> apparently you can use MSN Messenger 7 with Wine?
[04:12] <cpk1> mcantor: you dont.
[04:13] <mcantor> cpk1: What?!  That sucks!  What possible reason could there be to not implement that feature?
[04:14] <HymnToLife> mcantor, if you fell it's so important, why not code it yourself ?
[04:14] <HymnToLife> feel*
[04:14] <mcantor> HymnToLife: It's that kind of attitude that's keeping new users away from Linux!
[04:15] <cpk1> mcantor: i dunno, i have many gripes about kopete but have learned to deal with it
[04:15] <manchicken> mcantor: kopete is not linux.
[04:15] <manchicken> mcantor: kopete is kopete, and KDE.
[04:15] <HymnToLife> mcantor, kopete is a volunteer project
[04:15] <HymnToLife> the reason why it's not implemented is because no one has done it yet, period.
[04:16] <manchicken> mcantor: And both kopete and KDE take feature requests.  It would be a good idea if you don't feel like helping the project, if you put a feature request in.  Just remember that they have their own roadmap for the program, too.
[04:16] <manchicken> HymnToLife: No need to be impolite man.
[04:16] <manchicken> It's all good.
[04:16] <manchicken> (free software)++
[04:17] <manchicken> kopete is a good program, but no, it doesn't have every possible feature implemented.
[04:17] <mcantor> manchicken: Now that I can believe in.  I've been a Gnome user for a year.  Where do I make feature requests?  Where can I get the Kopete source?  Is it in an SVN repo, perchance?
[04:18] <manchicken> mcantor: I'll answer those one at a time, as my attention span is far too narrow to fit them all in one request.
[04:18] <manchicken> mcantor: Yes, KDE > gnome ;)
[04:18] <mcantor> manchicken: That's yet to be decided, for me.
[04:18] <manchicken> mcantor: Yes, it's in SVN.
[04:18] <manchicken> mcantor: I will get you URLs to kopete SVN and where to make feature requests.
[04:18] <mcantor> manchicken: I realized that I was continually using KDE apps (like K3B and KAudioCreator) in favor of their shitty Gnome equivalents.
[04:18] <mcantor> manchicken: Thanks!
[04:18] <underdog5004> manchicken, ummm...started up ssh, but when I `top | grep "rtorrent"`  I got nothing...bad stuff
[04:19] <manchicken> mcantor: If you want source packages for any program in a kubuntu/ubuntu repo, all you really need to do is `fakeroot apt-get source PACKAGE`
[04:19] <manchicken> underdog5004: Did you chmod +x the script?
[04:19] <underdog5004> I also placed a symlink to /etc/init.d/ssh into /etc/rc2.d
[04:19] <underdog5004> manchicken, oh, you're right...I chmod +x'ed the other one...
[04:19] <underdog5004> lol
[04:20] <manchicken> mcantor: All of that info (and more) is available at http://kopete.kde.org/
[04:21] <mcantor> manchicken: Great.
[04:21] <manchicken> mcantor: KDE is actually a very tightly knit desktop environment.  GNOME is a more minimal environment with a lot of commonly-used programs (e.g. gaim) that are commonly used in GNOME, but are not actually a part of GNOME.
[04:22] <mcantor> manchicken: Yeah, KDE seems more homogeneous.
[04:22] <manchicken> mcantor: It's also more actively developed and better supported IMHO.
[04:23] <manchicken> It all does depend on how you prefer things though.
[04:23] <underdog5004> ummm, so, I chmod +x'ed the file, rebooting to test, but the ssh server doesn't start automatically...same deal? I noticed S20ssh in the rc2.d dir, didn't mess w/ it though
[04:23] <manchicken> Some people prefer a more loosely knit DE, for them GNOME will probably be more to their liking.
[04:23] <manchicken> underdog5004: Try sticking them into rc3 and 5, too.
[04:23] <underdog5004> both ssh and rtorrent?
[04:24] <manchicken> Sure
[04:24] <underdog5004> lol, why not!
[04:24] <mcantor> manchicken: Why can't I add a Systray to the Panel I just created?
[04:24] <manchicken> You can.
[04:24] <manchicken> Just drag it from one to another.
[04:24] <HymnToLife> mcantor, you can have only one
[04:25] <HymnToLife> so remove it from your existing panel before
[04:25] <manchicken> IIRC, you could just drag and drop it.
[04:25] <mcantor> HymnToLife: Ahh, I get it.
[04:25] <manchicken> (may require middle-click drag and drop though)
[04:25] <mcantor> manchicken: You're right, there it goes
[04:26] <manchicken> Jucato: How goes it m8?
[04:26] <underdog5004> ok, yay
[04:26] <Jucato> manchicken: I'd love to say great.. but it isn't :(
[04:26] <underdog5004> ssh started, but rtorrent did not
[04:28] <underdog5004> ok, wait, rtorrent started, but it couldn't read the .rtorrent.rc file in my ~/
[04:28] <manchicken> Do an ls -l of the two, and see if you get any differences in permissions.
[04:29] <manchicken> Jucato: What's wrong buddy?
[04:29] <Jucato> DTP and Printing on Linux/KDE...
[04:29] <underdog5004> uh, actually I deleted the ssh symlink and everything worked peachy-keen, except for rtorrent....
[04:30] <underdog5004> I didn't delete the S20ssh link, just the ssh link that I made...
[04:30] <underdog5004> permissions are identical
[04:31] <manchicken> What's DTP?
[04:31] <Jucato> Desktop Publishing
[04:31] <manchicken> Ah.
[04:31] <manchicken> What's wrong with it?
[04:32] <manchicken> underdog5004: What're the filenames of the rtorrent script, and the subsequent link?
[04:33] <underdog5004> I think is it...   rtorrent -> /etc/init.d/rtorrent
[04:33] <manchicken> And you should probably make your rtorrent thingy S99
[04:33] <Jucato> 1) KDE refuses to add/print at a custom page size (my country's legal size isn't US legal size). 2) Scribus doesn't print at all. 3) There's no "compatible" file format you could exchange data with pagemaker or ms publisher... so I'm stuck with using MS Publisher
[04:33] <manchicken> Ah.
[04:33] <underdog5004> rename the link?
[04:33] <underdog5004> symlink
[04:33] <manchicken> underdog5004: The link should have a name like S99rtorrent
[04:33] <underdog5004> oh...ok...rename it?
[04:33] <manchicken> That's how init knows what order to start them in.
[04:33] <manchicken> Yes.
[04:33] <Jucato> lunch time...
[04:34] <underdog5004> I think I'll just rm and ln -s /etc/init.d/S99 rtorrent /etc/rc2.d
[04:34] <underdog5004> sound about right?
[04:34] <manchicken> No
[04:34] <underdog5004> lol, ok
[04:35] <underdog5004> what should I do?
[04:35] <manchicken> ln -sf /etc/init.d/rtorrent /etc/rc2.d/S99rtorrent
[04:35] <underdog5004> nice
[04:35] <underdog5004> then rm rtorrent from rc2.d ?
[04:35] <underdog5004> it's no longer needed
[04:36] <manchicken> Jucato: I use ODG for all of my desktop publishing.
[04:36] <manchicken> underdog5004: Yeah
[04:36] <underdog5004> beautiful! thanks a lot! gonna restart and hope for the best
[04:40] <sleepy745> what package do I need to install to compile stuff?
[04:41] <underdog5004> manchicken, bleagh, it didn't work...
[04:41] <underdog5004> weird, no?
[04:43] <underdog5004> su
[04:44] <underdog5004> sorry, wrong window
[04:45] <mcantor> How do I disable single-click file opening in Konqueror?
[04:45] <dwidmann> systemsettings -> mouse
[04:46] <manchicken> underdog5004: Try absolutely pathing the rtorrent client executable in your script.
[04:46] <underdog5004> ok
[04:47] <dwidmann> sleepy745: build-essential
[04:48] <mcantor> dwidmann: Hm.  That seems like something that ought to be in Konqueror's options.
[04:49] <underdog5004> manchicken, ok, restarting
[04:49] <manchicken> dwidmann: That's a system-wide thing.  Single-click is kinda a part of the KDE standard behavior.
[04:49] <underdog5004> thanks for stickin' with me...
[04:49] <manchicken> s/dwidmann/mcantor/
[04:49] <underdog5004> dwidmann, I believe you can change that though
[04:50] <underdog5004> through KDE configuration
[04:50] <manchicken> mcantor: If you're not too opposed to the idea, I would suggest you try it out that way for a few days and see if it grows on you.
[04:50] <mcantor> manchicken: Sorry man.  16 years of Windows & Gnome have poisoned me.
[04:50] <mcantor> manchicken: Ah, what the hell.  Maybe I'll try it out
[04:51] <manchicken> mcantor: It's easy enough to change for applications that pay attention to the settings, but I would still suggest you try it out first ^_^
[04:51] <manchicken> It's fun to try new things.
[04:51] <mcantor> manchicken: Like I said, I'll try it out
[04:51] <underdog5004> mcantor, I was the same way a while back, now I single-click on folders in windows and can't figure out why they won't open
[04:51] <manchicken> Groovy.
[04:52] <underdog5004> well, I mean, I _can_ figure it out...but...yeah, never mind
[04:52] <mcantor> underdog5004: Hehe, I gathered
[04:53] <underdog5004> manchicken, absolute pathing didn't work...
[04:53] <underdog5004> sorry to drag this out so long...
[04:53] <manchicken> Hmm...
[04:53] <underdog5004> indeed
[04:54] <mcantor> I just downloaded the kONE Kopete theme... I don't see how to install it.
[04:54] <manchicken> Try `#!/bin/sh -e` for your first line
[04:54] <underdog5004> maybe it's not possible...maybe it _has_ to display to some screen....
[04:54] <underdog5004> ok, h/o
[04:54] <manchicken> mcantor: Alot of those themes have instructions on how to install them.
[04:54] <manchicken> mcantor: Depending on who packaged it, it could be dramatically different.
[04:54] <underdog5004> restarting...again...
[04:55] <manchicken> You could just telinit 3 && telinit 2 ;)
[04:55] <mcantor> manchicken: Huh... this one doesn't have any instructions, and I acn't find it anywhere.
[04:55] <underdog5004> oh...
[04:55] <underdog5004> darn
[04:55] <manchicken> mcantor: What type of file did you get?
[04:55] <manchicken> Or is there a readme?
[04:55] <underdog5004> oh well...gotta remember that next time
[04:55] <pradalover> linuxwizard??
[04:55] <mcantor> manchicken: I used Kopete's built-in "Get Hot New Stuff" downloader
[04:55] <mcantor> manchicken: It gave no indication as to what it downloaded or where it put it.
[04:55] <mcantor> manchicken: I just clicked "install."
[04:56] <manchicken> mcantor: Ah... what's it called?  I'll try it out meself.
[04:56] <mcantor> manchicken: kONE.
[04:56] <mcantor> manchicken: There doesn't appear to be a way to UN-install it, either.
[04:56] <manchicken> mcantor: Give me a second to check it out.
[04:56] <mcantor> manchicken: Sure.  THanks!
[04:56] <pradalover> I am trying to get my speakers to work in Linux
[04:57] <pradalover> and they won't....Damn it
[04:57] <underdog5004> pradalover, most likely, it's your soundcard, not speakers...what is your soundcard model? lspci to see
[04:58] <manchicken> mcantor: Restart kopete.  It'll then show up in the list of selectable themes.
[04:58] <manchicken> It must be caching them in memory.
[04:58] <mcantor> manchicken: Ahh, I see.  Thanks.
[04:58] <underdog5004> manchicken...nope, no joy!
[04:58] <pradalover> audigy soundblaster
[04:58] <underdog5004> I'm thinkin
[04:59] <underdog5004>  I'm thinkin' not possible...maybe just keep me logged in on the physical machine...
[05:00] <pradalover> hurry up!!
[05:00] <manchicken> pradalover: Patience.
[05:00] <manchicken> underdog5004: Sorry to hear that....
[05:00] <manchicken> underdog5004: Check out #ubuntu and see if they have any ideas.
[05:00] <underdog5004> pradalover, ok, lemme look around
[05:01] <underdog5004> pradalover, no numbers or letters to denote which model you've got? You may need to open up your case to see...
[05:02] <pradalover> what about this
[05:02] <pradalover> http://files.printf.dk/guides/audigy2.htm
[05:03] <manchicken> pradalover: That's a specific driver for a specific model of that card.  What model do you have?
[05:04] <OlgaB> Some dumb package known as wpasupplicant won't install
[05:04] <manchicken> OlgaB: Why not?
[05:04] <manchicken> Are you getting an error message?
[05:04] <OlgaB> yes
[05:05] <manchicken> What error messages?
[05:05] <Crell> Hi all.  I've a dual-monitor question.  Just now I plugged in a second monitor on my system, which has a dual-head video card.  When I booted up, it selected what should be the second monitor (according to the port it's on) as the primary monitor.  OK, fine, whatever, I switched the cables and restarted X.  It's still picking up the wrong monitor as primary, though.
[05:05] <OlgaB> dpkg: warning - old post-removal script returned error exit status 10
[05:05] <Crell> Any idea how to convince it that I know which monitor is which better than it does?
[05:05] <OlgaB> subprocess new post-removal script returned error exit status 10
[05:05] <Crell> ("It" being Kubuntu's system settings, presumably.)
[05:05] <manchicken> Weird....
[05:06] <OlgaB> Maybe has something to do with me doing an upgrade from Dapper to Edgy.
[05:06] <manchicken> You may have to ask someone more in-tune on dpkg for that on.
[05:06] <manchicken> That may.
[05:06] <manchicken> Crell: You can just change it there as administrator and then apply, and it should work.
[05:07] <OlgaB> I also can't install any other new packages now
[05:07] <Crell> I don't see how.
[05:07] <OlgaB> It keeps erroring on the wpasupplicant one
[05:07] <Crell> On the hardware page, it just lists two plug n play monitors.  When I tell it to auto-detect, it says the same.
[05:07] <Crell> The actual models aren't listed.  (I checked.)
[05:08] <OlgaB> and using apt-get to install it ignores whatever I ask it to install and trys to upgrade wpasupplicant instead, which fails
[05:08] <Crell> It also seems to keep losing the resolution options for them.  (The new one should support 1600x1200.)
[05:08] <underdog5004> OlgaB, try apt-get remove --purge wpasupplicant && apt-get install wpasupplicant
[05:08] <underdog5004> sudo, of course
[05:09] <jughead> how good is kubuntu 6.10 with sata devices?  I'm planning a new system and I would like no pata devices; sata only (dvd burner included)
[05:09] <Crell> I'm hesitant to tell it a generic resolution for worry of getting them backwards and hurting something. :-(
[05:09] <pradalover> Audigy 2 ZS Gamer.
[05:10] <jughead> pradalover, is it an external sound card?
[05:10] <Crell> jughead: I don't know about Kubuntu, but I have a server running Ubuntu-Server Edgy with a SATA hard drive.  Didn't miss a beat when installing it.
[05:10] <jughead> Crell, how about booting from a sata dvd drive?  I guess that is my main concern
[05:10] <underdog5004> Crell, if you do mess something up, do this from a command line: `sudo dpkg --reconfigure xorg-xserver
[05:10] <Crell> That I've not tried.
[05:10] <underdog5004> w/o the `
[05:10] <underdog5004> lol
[05:11] <Crell> underdog5004: Is there any risk of hardware damage with modern displays?  (4 year old LCD and a brand new LCD.)
[05:11] <underdog5004> I doubt it
[05:11] <underdog5004> google around if you have doubt...
[05:12] <Crell> Well, be back in a bit.
[05:12] <Crell> Maybe. :-)
[05:12] <vinboy> is there any good mail checker?
[05:12] <vinboy> not mail client
[05:13] <underdog5004> I use gmailnotifier for Firefox...it's a plugin
[05:13] <vinboy> ic
[05:13] <unix_infidel> i use a pop client for gmail.
[05:13] <unix_infidel> it notifies me :)
[05:13] <vinboy> wat program?
[05:13] <unix_infidel> outlook, evolution, thunderbird, take your pick.l
[05:15] <vinboy> :D
[05:15] <underdog5004> outlook runs on linux? do you have to wine it?
[05:15] <unix_infidel> underdog5004: i normally use evolution when i run linux.
[05:16] <unix_infidel> i've heard reports of outlook working with cxoffice, but they say it isnt supported.
[05:16] <unix_infidel> erm, the cxoffice project says it isnt supported.
[05:17] <underdog5004> oh...I don't like outlook very much...haven't tried thunderbird...heard it was terrible for non-power users....
[05:17] <unix_infidel> evolution is the only client on linux available with decent exchange and groupwise support.
[05:17] <unix_infidel> I find it usable at best, outlook is my preffered client if chocie.
[05:18] <mcantor> What's the KDE equivalent of gnome-open?
[05:18] <underdog5004> !gnome-open
[05:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gnome-open - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:18] <underdog5004> hmmm, weird...
[05:18] <soulrider> hi
[05:19] <cpk1> whats gnome-open?
[05:19] <mcantor> cpk1: You can use it on the command line to simulate a double-click in the file manager.
[05:20] <cpk1> whats the point of that?
[05:20] <underdog5004> seriously!
[05:20] <cpk1> i was actually being serious, why do you need to simulate a double click on the cli?
[05:21] <underdog5004> I meant, seriously! Why would you need that?!
[05:21] <unix_infidel> underdog5004: gpm support.
[05:21] <underdog5004> !gpm
[05:21] <ubotu> gpm: General Purpose Mouse Interface. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.19.6-22ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 202 kB, installed size 500 kB
[05:22] <underdog5004> ah
[05:22] <mcantor> cpk1: underdog5004: If you want to open a file without having to type in the proper application's name.
[05:22] <OlgaB2> great, now I can't use wireless on my kubuntu machine
[05:22] <mcantor> What's the deal with all the different types of terminal sessions?
[05:23] <underdog5004> /server irc.betasirc.net -j #RAID
[05:23] <underdog5004> whoops...sorry
[05:23] <OlgaB2> Dapper -> Edgy upgrades suck :/
[05:23] <Crell> I'm back.  Nothing doing, though. :-(
[05:24] <Crell> Every time I switch the monitors in the hardware tab, it just switches them back after I reboot.
[05:26] <OlgaB2> Anyone know how I can fix this? :(
[05:26] <Crell> Where else can I tell Kubuntu which monitor is which?
[05:26] <OlgaB2> Wireless is the only internet access I have for these computers
[05:28] <Crell> wb underdog5004
[05:29] <trappist> say.  far as I can tell, the only thing trying to run sysctl -p at startup is /etc/init.d/procps.sh, and nothing runs that script (that I can see).  anybody know what's up with that?
[05:29] <underdog5004> wb?
[05:29] <Crell> Welcome Back
[05:29] <underdog5004> ah, thank you
[05:30] <Crell> Well this is odd...
[05:30] <underdog5004> me? I'm doing it on purpose...
[05:30] <Crell> No, my Xorg config. :-)
[05:30] <Crell> From the ServerLayout section: screen 1 "Default Screen" leftof "screen1"
[05:31] <underdog5004> oh...
[05:31] <Crell> screen 0 "screen1" 0 0
[05:31] <Crell> Not confusing at all, no... :-)
[05:32] <underdog5004> screen0 is screen #1, screen1 is screen #2....
[05:32] <underdog5004> it starts counting from 0
[05:32] <Crell> Just to keep me on my toes.
[05:33] <underdog5004> nah, all computers do that
[05:33] <Dr_willis> all computers are evil! :)
[05:34] <Crell> Uh...
[05:34] <Dr_willis> Repent! :P
[05:34] <underdog5004> to err is human, to really f*ck things up, you need a computer
[05:34] <underdog5004> and a root account
[05:34] <Crell> :-)
[05:34] <Crell> OK, I thikn I'm going to have to screw with this config file by hand...
[05:35] <Crell> Unless dpkg-reconfigure knows from dual-monitor setups?
[05:35] <underdog5004> have fun w/ _that_
[05:35] <Dr_willis> Crell,  what video card?
[05:35] <Crell> I used to do it all the time on Mandrake and Debian. :-)
[05:35] <Crell> Dr_willis: nvidia GeForce 6600 GT
[05:35] <Dr_willis> Crell,  trivial :)
[05:36] <Crell> I can get both monitors displaying.  That's not the problem.
[05:36] <cpk1> I am having trouble getting audio output out of my s/pdif out
[05:36] <Dr_willis> backup your existing xorg.conf file and check out that Nvidia config program. :)  i forget its name.. heh
[05:36] <Crell> I just need Kubuntu to realize that the brand new 20" digital panel is the one that I want to use as the primary screen, not the 5 year old 15" analog LCD. :-)
[05:36] <cpk1> it was working until i rebooted and now i can barely get audio if i turn my reciever up to max
[05:36] <Dr_willis> Crell,  thats doable.. but i forget the specific setting.
[05:36] <Crell> nvidia has their own dual-head config program?
[05:36] <cpk1> if anyone knows anything about alsa/audio
[05:37] <Dr_willis> nvidia-xconfig  -A
[05:37] <Dr_willis> Crell,  yep. :P
[05:37] <Dr_willis> Crell,  its not fancy.. but it can edit the xorg.conf - and i learned about it from that Ubuntu hacks book
[05:38] <Crell> nvidia-settings only lists one monitor, the old one.
[05:38] <Dr_willis> and it has a ba-jillian+1 settings
[05:38] <Dr_willis> check out nviaia-xconfig, be sure to backup your working config first. :)
[05:39] <Dr_willis> the -A option shows the detailed help
[05:39] <OlgaB> where does ubuntu store debs
[05:39] <Crell> bbiab
[05:39] <Dr_willis> - /var/cache/apt (i think OlgaB )
[05:40] <OlgaB> thanks
[05:40] <Dr_willis> /var/cache/apt/archives
[05:40] <Dr_willis> thats where it stores the ones downloaded by the apt-get system
[05:40] <Dr_willis> and yes - that dir can get quite full. :)
[05:42] <mcantor> How do I get "gvim" to open up a graphical Vim?
[05:42] <OlgaB> Is there somewhere online where I can download Ubuntu debs?
[05:43] <Jucato> OlgaB: packages.ubuntu.com
[05:43] <OlgaB> k
[05:43] <leandro> hola
[05:43] <mcantor> Also, why is my terminal font dreadful?
[05:44] <underdog5004> !is | leandro
[05:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:44] <underdog5004> !es | leandro
[05:44] <ubotu> leandro: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[05:44] <leandro> alguien con kien hablar poraka
[05:44] <underdog5004> !es | leandro
[05:44] <underdog5004> !es | leandro
[05:44] <Dr_willis> change it if you dont like the font.
[05:46] <mcantor> Anyone?  gvim?  Horrible terminal fonts?
[05:46] <Dr_willis> since gvim is a gnome/gtk app - its proberly not reading the gnome font settings proplery.
[05:46] <underdog5004> leandro: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[05:46] <underdog5004> oh...whoops
[05:47] <Dr_willis> ive seen some other programs from gnome that dont get their settings properly unless theres some gnome-services going beforhand. (or so recall)
[05:47] <mcantor> Dr_willis: The problem isn't the FONT, really, it's the anti-aliasing or something.  It's so blurry... it's just awful.
[05:47] <Dr_willis> i dont see any alti-aliasing at all on gvim when i run it here.
[05:48] <mcantor> Dr_willis: The font problem is in terminal, not Gvim
[05:48] <Dr_willis> which 'terminal' ?
[05:48] <Dr_willis> konsole?
[05:48] <mcantor> Dr_willis: Yes.
[05:49] <Dr_willis> twiddle with the font settings in konsole perhaps.. I always set it to use real large fonts.. since im an old man. :)
[05:49] <mcantor> Dr_willis: I think I may have found a solution on ubuntuforums
[05:49] <mcantor> Dr_willis: How can I get Gvim to work, though?
[05:49] <Dr_willis> 'gvim' launches gvim into the gvim gui for me just fine.
[05:50] <mcantor> Dr_willis: gvim: command not found.  vim -g: Not enabled at compile time
[05:50] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install vim-full
[05:50] <Dr_willis> and try again
[05:53] <mcantor> Anyone know of a good dark theme?
[05:54] <Dr_willis> problem ive seen with dark themes - is that some programs use other 'dark' bits that then are hard to see. :)
[05:54] <Dr_willis> ya can always just play with the color schemes
[05:56] <pradalover>  what sound config utilities does ubuntu have?
[05:56] <Dr_willis> alsa and its tools...
[05:56] <Dr_willis> !alsa
[05:56] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[05:57] <Dr_willis> ive not had to mess with sound under linux in ages.. :) works very well with my Creative audigy card.
[06:00] <mcantor> Where do I change the Power Button behavior?
[06:01] <Dr_willis> cant say that ive ever noticed/needed to change it. :)
[06:01] <Dr_willis> only time i hit it - is to power on the pc. :)
[06:01] <mcantor> ah well.  adios.
[06:05] <Crell> This continues to make no sense...
[06:05] <Crell> No matter how I setup the cables, or the config, it still insists on making the larger monitor the secondary monitor.
[06:07] <manchicken> Crell: Are you doing different ports?
[06:07] <Crell> Hm.  No, I don't want to try tricking it by just shifting everything to screen 2, because then games and other full screen stuff won't work.
[06:07] <Crell> manchicken: Yes.  If I change no settings but reverse the cables, it still gets it wrong. :-(
[06:08] <manchicken> X might be detecting which monitor is which anyway by probing the monitor.
[06:08] <cac_> what is the difference between kde and gnome kubuntu and ubuntu
[06:08] <manchicken> Try changing it in your display settings.
[06:08] <Crell> How do I tell it to stop thinking it's smarter than I am about such things?
[06:08] <Crell> manchicken: I have.  A dozen times.
[06:09] <Crell> It doesn't seem to make any difference what I set it to.
[06:09] <manchicken> cac_: GNOME and KDE are two different desktop environments.  Ubuntu is a GNU/Linux distribution that uses GNOME.  Kubuntu is the same as the Ubuntu GNU/Linux distribution, except that it uses KDE instead of GNOME.
[06:09] <manchicken> Crell: Are you doing it as root, saving, then restarting X and KDM?
[06:10] <cac_> what uses more repositories?
[06:10] <cac_> kubuntu or ubuntu
[06:10] <cac_> or the same
[06:10] <Crell> cac_: The same.  It's more a difference in installer than anything else.
[06:10] <dwidmann> they use the exact same repositories
[06:10] <Crell> Once installed, they pull from the same repositories.  They just have different programs installed by default.
[06:11] <manchicken> cac_: The only repo differences are the default installed packages.
[06:11] <cac_> I see
[06:11] <Crell> manchicken: Yes, I've tried editing the config file manually that way, as well as using Kubuntu's System Settings control panel and then restarting X.  No joy either way.
[06:11] <Dr_willis> Crell,  i recall some setting that set the default monitor.. but i dont have that xconfig any more
[06:11] <manchicken> Weird.
[06:11] <Dr_willis> Crell,  i normally use the tv out and monitor. so it may be a little differnt in that case also.
[06:12] <manchicken> Crell: Is one digital and the other analog?
[06:12] <cac_> Do you know LInuxMint?
[06:12] <Crell> Yes.  The one that should be primary is digital.
[06:12] <Crell> Would a pastebin of the xorg.conf file help?
[06:13] <cac_> Could I say that LinuxMInt is an improved ubuntu?
[06:13] <Crell> You could say it.  I have no idea if it's true or not, but you could alway say it if you don't mind being wrong. :-)
[06:13] <manchicken> cac_: I'm not familiar with linuxmint.
[06:13] <dwidmann> derivation maybe, improvement no
[06:13] <socio> hola
[06:14] <Dr_willis> Ive used LinuxMint. its ubuntu + extra packages
[06:14] <dwidmann> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Mint
[06:14] <Dr_willis> its a neat idea.. but i doubt if it will last very long.
[06:14] <Dr_willis> from what i 'hear'  the next ubuntu will  take a lot of the same ideas and use them.
[06:14] <manchicken> It's also important to remember that linux is just the kernel.  GNOME and KDE aren't the only possible desktop environments out there.  Ubuntu isn't the only distro (my personal favorite though).  I would recommend you try a variety of things if you're interested in trying new things.
[06:14] <dwidmann> Well, it has been around for months already, and it probably uses the same repositories ... so I seriously doubt it takes a terrible lot of work itself.
[06:14] <manchicken> I've tried quite a bit of stuff over the past 10 years.
[06:15] <Dr_willis> the features that make LinuxMint stand out.. are basicially going to be in the next release (again - this is what ive heard) so The need for LinuxMint - will be minimal.
[06:16] <Dr_willis> LinuxMint - is wht im running on my laptop. :)  in case ya want to know.
[06:16] <Crell> manchicken: http://pastebin.ca/320221 - My xorg.conf, minus the input sections.  I know the order is freaky, but that's how it came. :-)
[06:18] <Zamber> omg I'm freezing to death! Arrrgh!
[06:19] <Crell> Uh, hm.
[06:19] <manchicken> Crell: That's interesting.  Try changing "screen 0" to "screen 1" and "screen 1" to "screen 0"
[06:19] <manchicken> then restart X
[06:19] <manchicken> And kdm
[06:19] <jughead> Zamber, put a laptop on your lap im  burning up
[06:20] <Dr_willis> jughead,  i hear that can cause Sterility
[06:20] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:20] <Zamber> I don't have a laptop xD
[06:20] <Dr_willis> the lab guys had a &#&@ of a time trainign the rats to hold the little laptops in their furry laps..
[06:20] <Dr_willis> but then came out with World of Ratcraft
[06:20] <Zamber> wow.
[06:21] <Crell> manchicken: Don't I need to also reverse the definitions, then?  Or does it not matter which screen is "leftof" the other?
[06:21] <Zamber> "A whole new word of cheeeeeese, mazes and wild sex."
[06:22] <Zamber> Rat on!
[06:22] <jughead> Dr_willis, uh oh
[06:22] <cpk1> does kubuntu desktop do anything? as in if i purge it will my computer tell me it has cast a hex on me and all my future generations?
[06:22] <Zamber> from the creators of "Pinky & the Brain" comes...
[06:23] <Crell> kubuntu-desktop is the package that depends on the rest of KDE and KDE-based utilities and such.
[06:23] <Zamber> World of Ratcraft!
[06:23] <cpk1> i'm trying to purge xine because I am pretty sure it is distorting all of my audio
[06:24] <Dr_willis> cpk1,  i dont see how it could be doing that.
[06:25] <Zamber> a rat noob?
[06:25] <Zamber> root :P
[06:26] <Zamber> yummy! hot coffe in my tummy ;P
[06:26] <cpk1> Dr_willis: err why not? xmms and mpg123 play sound fine but kaffeine and amarok distort it, and it doesnt seem to be a problem within kaffeine or amarok although i could be wrong
[06:27] <Dr_willis> cpk1,  if xine isent running, what could it be doing? it just uses the alsa sound system like everything else.. actually tha tmay be a clue
[06:28] <Dr_willis> kaffeine and amarok both use alsa? or does one use somthing else..
[06:29] <cpk1> everything should be using alsa
[06:29] <cpk1> and yes i have it set to alsa
[06:30] <Dr_willis> does the normal kde sounds - sound funny?
[06:30] <dblade4> hi, i'm a complete linux noob, i've got knoppix which is similar to kubuntu (i think) coz of linux...can some help me set up an NIC card using madwifi drivers and also install a USB modem?
[06:30] <cpk1> i was just assuming it was xine since mpg123 and xmms dont use xine far as I know and they dont have any of the distortion that amarok kaffeine and mplayer have
[06:30] <cpk1> Dr_willis: dunno, i have pretty much all of them turned off
[06:31] <Dr_willis> cpk1,  ive think yovue narrowed it down to an alsa issue.. but probing that  xine is causing the problem - is not been proven.
[06:31] <cpk1> Dr_willis: then why does xmms and mpg123 play without any distortion?
[06:32] <Dr_willis> dblade4,  knoppix is not Kubuntu. :)  they are very different in many area.. try #knoppix or the knoppix web site
[06:32] <Dr_willis> cpk1,  mpg123 is using alsa? i though it used oss.
[06:32] <dblade4> i tried #knoppix but no ones responding
[06:33] <cpk1> Dr_willis: i mean to say mpg123-alsa
[06:33] <Dr_willis> cpk1,  ahh,, :) ok that explains this apt-get info
[06:33] <Dr_willis> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[06:33] <Dr_willis>   mpg123 oss-compat
[06:33] <CORPLAPTOP> anyone help me setup my nvidia drivers?
[06:33] <CORPLAPTOP> kinda new at this, but I learn quick
[06:33] <Dr_willis> cpk1,  how about as a test.. try the sound under a totally new user...
[06:33] <Dr_willis> !nvidia
[06:33] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:34] <CORPLAPTOP> thx
[06:34] <CORPLAPTOP> i;ll check it out
[06:34] <cpk1> Dr_willis: ok, also it sounds like in system settings when i test the sound it doesnt seem distorted but it is kind of hard to tell with the test noise they play
[06:38] <Crell> manchicken: Nope, no luck.
[06:38] <Crell> I wonder...
[06:39] <cpk1> Dr_willis: same song plays perfectly fine in amarok with the new user!
[06:39] <elyon> Lonely.....  I'm so lonely.... :P
[06:39] <Crell> If I unplugged the small monitor and rebooted, then let it pick up the big monitor and ran it as single-monitor, then plugged in the second one and restarted X, could that jog its memory?
[06:39] <Dr_willis> cpk1,  NOW we are getting somewhere.
[06:39] <cpk1> =D
[06:40] <Dr_willis> cpk1,  heh - id clean out/backup your .kde dir  keep just the settings/data/dirs/files you know you need.
[06:40] <Dr_willis> actually backit up  then cleanit out. :)
[06:41] <cpk1> =\ i always forget stuff
[06:41] <isosss> Hello guys, in ubuntuguid.org I found 3 links to download DVDs of repositories but they are all torrents and I am having problems using bittorent clients, isn't there just iso files which I can download directly instead of downloading torrents?
[06:42] <cpk1> Dr_willis: it regenerates everything missing on startup correct?
[06:42] <isosss> I searched but couldn't find anything
[06:42] <Dr_willis> Crell,  ive noticed that nvidia cards try to be smart in  figureing out what monitors are the primary. - i also recall some xorg.conf options that can override it.. it may of been in the nvidia readme/docs that i saw that info.
[06:42] <Dr_willis> cpk1,  yep.
[06:42] <Dr_willis> cpk1,  just be carefull not to delete stuff ya want to keep, ktorrent info. kmail. bookmarks. ect.
[06:43] <cpk1> Dr_willis: I'm curious though, is it really not possible for xine to be the culprit?
[06:43] <Dr_willis> cpk1,  i dont see how it can.
[06:43] <Dr_willis> its just using the alsa system like all the other stuff
[06:43] <Dr_willis> its not changing alsa its usingit.
[06:43] <Crell> hrm.
[06:44] <Dr_willis> now if you rebooted.. and  it worked.. then you ran xine, exited and THEn the other programs screwed up...  then you may  have a point.
[06:44] <cpk1> Dr_willis: so basically i can just delete the amarok folder in .kde and reboot and then go from there? =)
[06:45] <Dr_willis> if you think its those confgs that are the issue.
[06:45] <Dr_willis>  you dont need to reboot. just logout, go to the console. remove the dirs.. logback in as that user.
[06:45] <Dr_willis> actually ya may not even need to logout. :)
[06:47] <dwidmann> should only need to restart the app
[06:47] <cpk1> well killing the old amarok folder didnt help =(
[06:47] <Dr_willis> there oodles of other settings. :) i tend to nuke  the .kde dir at times.
[06:48] <Dr_willis> thats why i only backup the ones i know i need. (ktorrent info in my case) and trash the rest.
[06:48] <cpk1> oh nevermind yes it did
[06:48] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:48] <cpk1> i forgot to close amarok the first time around
[06:48] <cpk1> hehe
[06:48] <dwidmann> I tend to do the other way around ... keep them all and nuke selectively :)
[06:49] <Dr_willis> Nuke them all.. let /bin/trash sort them!
[06:49] <cpk1> but there is always some config you forget about until you get pissed off that its not there
[06:49] <dwidmann> if I really think it's a user-specific configuration problem ... I just add a user and see if it works for the new user ...
[06:50] <CORPLAPTOP> on the setup it says to click search in the kubuntu card setup
[06:50] <CORPLAPTOP> but I dont see that option anywhere
[06:51] <Dr_willis> kubuntu card setup?
[06:51] <CORPLAPTOP> video card
[06:52] <CORPLAPTOP> for nvidia
[06:52] <cpk1> well nuking all the multimedia folders helped my problems
[06:52] <cpk1> thanks Dr_willis
[06:52] <Dr_willis> I just tend to install the nvidia-glx package from the shell.. with sudo apt-get  *whatever*
[06:52] <CORPLAPTOP> yea
[06:52] <CORPLAPTOP> i did that
[06:52] <CORPLAPTOP> but now it's saying
[06:52] <CORPLAPTOP> #
[06:52] <CORPLAPTOP> Click the Search button and search for "linux-restricted-modules". You must have restricted modules enabled (see above).
[06:52] <CORPLAPTOP> #
[06:52] <CORPLAPTOP> Find the appropriate module for your kernel. For example, if you have linux-image-amd64-k8 installed, then you should install linux-restricted-modules-amd64-k8. Selecting one will also install nvidia-kernel-common. (Note: you have to select the restricted modules first because the nvidia-glx package automatically installs the i386 one - and if you have a generic kernel image, the X will not work.)
[06:52] <CORPLAPTOP> woops
[06:52] <CORPLAPTOP> wrong past
[06:52] <CORPLAPTOP> e
[06:52] <Dr_willis> the search button is in the adept package manager tool.
[06:53] <Dr_willis> actually i though installing nvidia-glx automaticially selected those packages as well.
[06:53] <CORPLAPTOP> awesome
[06:53] <CORPLAPTOP> one step closer, thx
[06:53] <Dr_willis> on a clean install  - it takes me about 3 min to get nvidia stuff going.. :)
[06:54] <Dr_willis> but i know what im doing.. (i think)
[06:54] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:55] <dwidmann> on a clean install, it takes me about 3 seconds, if we assume I've already set up my sources.list ...
[06:55] <Dr_willis> i feel the install/wiki/docs shoud include the terminal commands..  not just try to walk ya through using the gui tools..
[06:56] <CORPLAPTOP> well
[06:56] <CORPLAPTOP> pretty much a clean install
[06:56] <CORPLAPTOP> im just a newb =-p
[06:56] <Dr_willis> at leat they got a link to   http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_Nvidia_Edgy
[06:56] <Dr_willis> which seems a little more detailed in ways
[06:57] <Dr_willis> yea - a lot more detailed and in depth. :)
[06:57] <dwidmann> latest nvidia ... envy handles that :)
[06:58] <CORPLAPTOP> Error" unableto load nvidia kernel driver! Be sure to have installed the nvidia driver for your running Kernel.
[06:58] <Dr_willis> well night all......
[06:58] <CORPLAPTOP> I keep getthing that error
[06:58] <vinboy_> wats new in Feisty?
[06:58] <vinboy_> is KDE4 going to be in there?
[06:59] <dwidmann> !envy | corplaptop
[06:59] <ubotu> corplaptop: envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia and ATI drivers. Please see http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html . Developers may be interested in https://launchpad.net/products/envy - See also !Nvidia
[06:59] <dwidmann> vinboy_: kde4 will have packages for feisty when kde4 is available, presuming its done while feisty is still a current release
[06:59] <vinboy_> ic
[07:00] <dwidmann> So no, it won't be released with it.
[07:00] <dwidmann> feisty+1 might be though
[07:00] <manchicken> Crell: I don't think rebooting will help.  this ain't windows ;)
[07:00] <Crell> manchicken: I mean forcing it to think "one monitor only" for a while with the "correct" monitor.
[07:01] <manchicken> KDE4 will most likely come out with Feisty if everything I'm seeing is true.
[07:01] <dwidmann> rebooting will likely only help if it's something related to the kernel or its modules.
[07:01] <manchicken> Crell: That's an X config thing purely though.
[07:01] <Crell> hrm.
[07:02] <dwidmann> there's a feisty spec written up for it ... when kde4 is released, it will be available in feisty as seperate packages, with a seperate config dir, seperate programs, the works
[07:03] <manchicken> I suspect that feisty will see a stable KDE4 release without all of the fallout protection.
[07:03] <dwidmann> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuFeistyKde4Plan
[07:04] <freshburn> well i kinda went aptget crazy today and now my linux partition has only 200mb free i have another partition of 4gig, is it possible to reassign my /usr to that partition instead? i was asked about doing this at install time but thought it wouldnt be necessary
[07:05] <freshburn> i would rather not reinstall but thats all i came up with
[07:05] <freshburn> reassign and move whats in /usr already also to that partition
[07:05] <dwidmann> freshburn, yes
[07:05] <dwidmann> the first thing you should look at doing is apt-get clean though ... that might free up a lot of space
[07:06] <freshburn> the partition with the free space is next to the ext3 partition and i booted with my edgy live cd to use qtparted to resize the first ext3 to include the 4gig free space but it wouldnt allow a resize of the ext3
[07:06] <freshburn> been there done that lol
[07:06] <freshburn> got me the 200mb free that way
[07:06] <freshburn> i have it set to autoclean now ;)
[07:07] <Crell> bbiab
[07:07] <dwidmann> well, here's whatcha need to do then ... (this might take a minute to type up)
[07:07] <freshburn> so can i do this nondestructive?
[07:08] <freshburn> !botsnack
[07:08] <ubotu> Yum!
[07:08] <dwidmann> sudo mkdir /temporary; sudo mount /dev/<device> /temporary; sudo mv /usr/* /temporary/;
[07:08] <freshburn> wow 19sec lag, i hate dialup
[07:08] <codyt> I feel your pain
[07:08] <dwidmann> as do I
[07:09] <dwidmann> I'm usually lagging 1-2 seconds ...
[07:09] <dwidmann> not as bad as 19 though
[07:09] <codyt> trying to set up a network between this computer and the one next to me, and it's asking for the default gateway IP, but wouldn't that change on dial up?
[07:09] <freshburn> mk the temporary on the new partition?
[07:10] <dwidmann> then, after the above, you'll want to add a line like this to your fstab: "/dev/<device-that-has-the-space> /usr ext3 defaults 0 0"
[07:10] <freshburn> i have emule running on another pc on my home network
[07:10] <Crell> Grrr...
[07:10] <Crell> I'm doing what the nvidia readme tells me to do, and it's still thinking it's smarter than me.
[07:10] <dwidmann> Come to think of it, change the "sudo mv .... " to sudo cp ...."
[07:10] <freshburn> the default gateway will be the personal ip you set of that computer *whichever actually dials)
[07:11] <freshburn> NOT the ip you get from you isp
[07:11] <codyt> this computer will be the one that dials.
[07:11] <codyt> forgive me, I've never done any networking at all.. First time I've had two computers to use.
[07:11] <freshburn> so mk the temporary dir on the new partition right
[07:12] <freshburn> then copy the usr/* to newpart/temporary
[07:12] <codyt> should I manually set the IP of the eth0 device, or leave it as dhcp?
[07:12] <freshburn> i could REALLY help you with xp but im kinda linux newb
[07:12] <dwidmann> you should do it from a livecd
[07:13] <dwidmann> come to think of it
[07:13] <freshburn> i have my home net running on wired and wireless now linux and xp tho
[07:13] <dwidmann> well, I guess you could get away with not, maybe
[07:13] <dwidmann> easiest to do it from a livecd
[07:13] <freshburn> dhcp will only work if you have a proper dhcp server and/or router that will assign ip's
[07:13] <dwidmann> then after you copy the stuff to the new partition ... delete the old /usr/* leaving only the dir
[07:13] <codyt> Have a router, but I don't know anything about it.  it was given to me by my brother.
[07:14] <freshburn> ok from a live cd copy the /usr/* on filesystem to  the newdevpart/temporary
[07:14] <freshburn> right?
[07:15] <freshburn> codyt: connect the router open firefox then http://192.168.1.1 if its a linksys router
[07:15] <nicolake> hi
[07:16] <freshburn> should the dir on the new part be usr or will my new usr just be the root of that partition
[07:16] <codyt> SMC Barricade.
[07:17] <freshburn> for example /dev/hdd1/usr/file becomes /dev/hdd2/file OR /dev/hdd2/file
[07:17] <dwidmann> 1: create temporary directory: 2: mount device on temporary directory, 3: copy the contents of /usr into the temporary directory, 4 delete everything in /usr, leaving only the directory, 5: add the line to your fstab so it mounts that device on /usr .... done.
[07:17] <freshburn> scratch that second one spose to be /dev/hdd2/usr/file
[07:17] <nicolake> all you need is love
[07:18] <freshburn> 6. copy the stuff from temporary directory to new /usr path?
[07:18] <nicolake> do you like the reggae music?
[07:18] <dwidmann> There is no 6.
[07:18] <freshburn> lol
[07:19] <dwidmann> You did that copying in Step 3.
[07:19] <freshburn> so the files stay in the temporarily created directory and never get put back in a /usr
[07:19] <codyt> if I were to set the IP of the eth0 device, what would I set it to?
[07:19] <nicolake> but.. isn't betty a woman's name?
[07:19] <freshburn> so the temporary directory could be the root of the new partition
[07:20] <CORPLAPTOP> wow
[07:20] <dwidmann> the temporary directory was just a spot to  mount the new device ... so you really copied the other stuff onto the new device, which you'll later mount on /usr (via the fstab)
[07:20] <CORPLAPTOP> NOTHING is working right
[07:20] <CORPLAPTOP> gives me another error now
[07:21] <freshburn> codyt this might help, inside my house network i have xp machine that actually dials 192.168.1.99, my laptop wireless is 192.168.1.13 laptop wired is 192.168.1.131 another xp pc is 192.168.1.100 and a kubuntu machine is 192.168.1.200 and my router is 192.168.1.1 oh and my xbox is 192.168.1.45 and my tivo is 192.168.1.54
[07:21] <freshburn> whatever helps you remember them
[07:22] <freshburn> mine are based on hd sizes
[07:22] <manchicken> So much Microsoft, so little Freedom ;)
[07:23] <nicolake> i need to watch porn, but i don't have codecs...
[07:23] <nicolake> but doesn't matter... automatix is the one
[07:24] <freshburn> so if my new partition is already /media/hdd2linux2 then i would just sudo cp /usr/* /media/hdd2linux2/ then change fstab to mount hdd2 to /usr instead of /media/hdd2linux2 next time i boot.correct?
[07:24] <freshburn> my tivo runs bsd lol and my xbox runs gentoo
[07:27] <freshburn> or mount /usr to hdd2
[07:27] <codyt> should it be based off of my provider's IP, or should I actually use 192.168.1.x?
[07:27] <codyt> whoa, did something wrong..
[07:27] <codyt> insane lags..
[07:28] <freshburn> the 192.168 is local use that, it could be 192.168.x.z
[07:28] <codyt> still not quite sure about the gateway?
[07:28] <freshburn> x should be same on all pcs and z should be different the ip your isp assigns when you dial in has absolutely nothing to do with it
[07:28] <freshburn> other than the pc dialing is your default gateway
[07:29] <codyt> well, the dhcp ended up setting one automatically, just before the huge lag
[07:29] <codyt> had to disable the device to end the lag.
[07:29] <freshburn> then u router is set for it which almost makes sharing the dialup connection harder which is why mine are all set to static
[07:30] <freshburn> because you cant set u default gateway when it changes every time you boot
[07:30] <codyt> Shouldn't it actually change every time i reconnect to the internet?
[07:30] <codyt> I'm confused as hell.
[07:31] <freshburn> the pc that dials the net is best to have a static (always the same) ip, like 192.168.1.11 i assume your router is probably 192.168.1.1 alot are from factory
[07:31] <freshburn> especially linksys
[07:31] <codyt> how can you have a static ip on dial up?
[07:32] <codyt> default gateway atm is 0.0.0.0 device is ppp0
[07:32] <freshburn> the computer that dials internet will have two different ip's, one from isp to connect to internet and one that is 192.168.what.ever
[07:32] <freshburn> the 192.168.x.x stays same always thats the one you put for default gateway
[07:33] <codyt> the only one like that is the eth0 card, which is connected to the router.  It should be the default gateway?
[07:33] <freshburn> your isp ip will change every time you connect so you put your home net ip as the default gateway ip because no way to know what the isp will assign each time you connect
[07:33] <freshburn> then set the dns server ip's of all the pc's to be the same as whatever you isp told you
[07:34] <codyt> isp told me nothing.
[07:34] <manchicken> DHCP will set up DNS for you.
[07:34] <jaxon> anyone else having issues with oocalc locking up when running it and then pressing the close button?
[07:34] <codyt> okay
[07:35] <freshburn> well you need to know the isp's dns server(s) ip's
[07:35] <codyt> I'm still confused on what to set the default gateway as.. the only other IP is the eth0, which is connected to the router
[07:35] <manchicken> jaxon: Is it only with a specific document, or is it all documents?
[07:35] <jaxon> any
[07:35] <manchicken> freshburn: Not necessarily.  Some ISPs rotate DNS servers.
[07:35] <manchicken> jaxon: These are native oocalc files?
[07:36] <codyt> okay, i'm not worried about the DNS part just yet, because I'm not ready to have the other machine share this internet connection.
[07:36] <freshburn> if the router is setup to do it, the router is second hand so a good place to start is the router i.e. http://192.168.1.1 is worth a try
[07:36] <freshburn> but most will tell you if you ask them
[07:36] <freshburn> ;)
[07:36] <jaxon> manchicken: it's not even that; run oocalc at command line. wait for it to open, then press close button = locks
[07:37] <freshburn> just for file sharing then default gateway can be set to the same ip that you set the puter to
[07:37] <manchicken> jaxon: I cannot reproduce.
[07:37] <codyt> it's not doing anything.
[07:37] <jaxon> manchicken: I know- I can't reproduce on my laptop either; only my wife's workstation
[07:37] <codyt> I didn't set an ip to anything.
[07:37] <manchicken> jaxon: You may want to look at oo's bug list and see if there's anything there that could shed some light on it.
[07:37] <jaxon> it's a fresh install
[07:37] <codyt> so, I don't know what "the same ip" means.
[07:37] <jaxon> manchicken: I've been googling for about 20 minutes on the issue with no luck
[07:37] <manchicken> jaxon: Try looking in their bug tracker.
[07:38] <jaxon> manchicken: the issue is also not limited to oocalc- I also see this behavior with oowriter
[07:38] <freshburn> ie. one pc is 192.168.1.2 for ip same for default gateway router is(should be) 192.168.1.1 second pc is 192.168.1.3 and same for default gateway
[07:38] <freshburn> if all you want to do is share files
[07:38] <codyt> for now, just share files, internet later.
[07:39] <codyt> I'd just like to be able to save my preferences...
[07:39] <freshburn> do it how i said then
[07:39] <manchicken> jaxon: May be a JRE issue.
[07:39] <jaxon> ugh
[07:39] <codyt> Are you saying that the default gateway should be the eth0 device that's directly connected to the router?
[07:39] <jaxon> manchicken: I'll check out that angle
[07:39] <jaxon> I should go to bed soon though
[07:40] <akrus> could someone tell me why direct rendering is now set to 'NO'?
[07:40] <akrus> I did not change anything...
[07:40] <freshburn> assume router is 1.1 so make the first pc 1.2 default gateway also 1.2 and the second pc 1.3 and 1.3 for default gateway
[07:40] <freshburn> ip has nothing to do with the device
[07:40] <freshburn> its an address
[07:40] <akrus> according to Xorg.0.log -> nVidia loads during startup
[07:40] <freshburn> ip is address eth0 is color of the house
[07:40] <codyt> the address is specific to the device.
[07:40] <freshburn> :)
[07:41] <codyt> each of my eth cards can have a specific IP
[07:41] <freshburn> and the specific ip can be specified by you
[07:41] <codyt> Yeah
[07:41] <freshburn> make the one you use 192.168.1.2
[07:41] <codyt> and the gateway asthat as well?
[07:42] <akrus> ~_~
[07:42] <freshburn> make the network card of other puter that is wired 192.168.1.3
[07:42] <akrus> someone using nVidia?~~
[07:42] <jaxon> manchicken: which jre packages should be installed in kubuntu for openoffice to work decently?
[07:42] <freshburn> yes
[07:42] <freshburn> in both instances
[07:43] <codyt> and eth0 as the device
[07:44] <freshburn> whichever device is in use
[07:44] <freshburn> on my laptop eth0 is wired eth1 is wireless
[07:44] <jaxon> hrm... need to find the repos with the sun jre packages
[07:44] <manchicken> jaxon: I'd be worried more about packages nonstandard to kubuntu being installed over it.
[07:44] <akrus> jaxon: multiverse~
[07:44] <freshburn> i have a desktop that chose at install to lable wired eth1 and one that chose at install to use eth0 im not sure why it picks that i just use what kubuntu did
[07:44] <manchicken> jaxon: Should be in restricted.
[07:45] <akrus> sun-java6-bin
[07:45] <akrus> sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin
[07:45] <akrus> or something like this :)
[07:46] <jaxon> manchicken: hrm, I thought I had restricted added
[07:46] <jaxon> ah, java6
[07:47] <manchicken> jaxon: I don't believe that package is required for oo.org
[07:47] <jaxon> true. but a jre would be useful if this is a jre-related issue
[07:47] <codyt> hrm.
[07:47] <codyt> taking forever to enable the device..
[07:47] <codyt> and.. there goes the lag meter
[07:48] <codyt> okay, that can't be right.
[07:48] <codyt> It completely stopped all packets on my modem.
[07:48] <freshburn> whats the deal with the window titled trash that pops up then disappears at login time, is that when the trash is emptied, each time you logoff then on
[07:48] <jaxon> there we go, multiverse it is
[07:48] <codyt> jesus.
[07:48] <codyt> *still* lagging.
[07:48] <akrus> lol
[07:48] <akrus> I'm lagging, but noone replies T_T
[07:48] <manchicken> jaxon: Check out `apt-cache depends openoffice.org-calc`
[07:48] <akrus> why nVidia all of a sudden has direct rendering: no?!
[07:49] <codyt> freshburn, that's can't be right.  it locks up my internet.
[07:49] <codyt> had to disable it again.
[07:49] <freshburn> 26 secs here
[07:49] <jaxon> manchicken: all the dependencies are installed
[07:50] <freshburn> didnt say internet you said filesharing
[07:50] <freshburn> two completely different setups
[07:51] <codyt> what I'm saying is
[07:51] <codyt> the instructions you gave me, upon saving and bringing up the eth0 device lock up my dial up
[07:51] <codyt> they shouldn't even be related...
[07:52] <freshburn> my fstab has the /dev lines commented out and replaced with uuid lines is that ok to mix the two or does it need to be all uuid or all /dev
[07:52] <freshburn> your ethernet should have nothing to do with your dialup as long as you set the default gateway on THAT pc to the same that you set THAT pc's ip to
[07:53] <freshburn> you can set it to 192.168.whatever.uwant
[07:53] <codyt> I set the gateway's IP to the same IP that eth0 owns.
[07:53] <freshburn> as long as .whatever.uwant is between 1-254
[07:53] <manchicken> jaxon: What do you have any javas installed other than what's explicitly required by that package?
[07:53] <dwidmann> freshburn, that's okay
[07:53] <freshburn> i would stick with 192.168.1.blank number 1-254
[07:53] <freshburn> its safer
[07:54] <jaxon> manchicken: I didn't previously, but I just installed the sun jre
[07:54] <jaxon> even with java disabled in the OOo config it still locks up
[07:55] <freshburn> manchicken will kubuntu allow a default gateway of 127.0.0.1 like win98 or 1.1.1.1 like xp?
[07:55] <manchicken> jaxon: Try going into adept and reinstalling the openoffice-core package.
[07:55] <manchicken> freshburn: Dunno on that one.  I would think it would be smarter than that.
[07:56] <mindcrusher[ro] > hi guys....have people found a solution to the USB problem in edgy? my mouse still freezes over after 5-10 min
[07:56] <freshburn> but i am correct its good for ip and def. gateway to be same numbers right?
[07:57] <jaxon> manchicken: done, and no joy :/
[07:57] <jaxon> ok, it's 2 am and I gotta get up in 5 hours, I'll have to put this off yet again
[07:57] <freshburn> i know im right, i shouldnt question my authoritii like that
[07:57] <manchicken> mindcrusher[ro] : You got any proprietary drivers installed?
[07:57] <jaxon> thanks manchicken for the help
[07:57] <mindcrusher[ro] > fglrx
[07:57] <manchicken> jaxon: Sorry I couldn't help ^_^
[07:57] <manchicken> mindcrusher[ro] : Try removing it and see if your problem goes away.
[07:57] <jaxon> manchicken: I'll make sure to look you up next time
[07:57] <jaxon> later :)
[07:58] <mindcrusher[ro] > manchicken what driver should I use than
[07:58] <freshburn> cya
[07:59] <manchicken> mindcrusher[ro] : Try using the default free software drivers.
[07:59] <manchicken> The xorg ones.
[07:59] <mindcrusher[ro] > manchicken: thanks
[08:03] <manchicken> mindcrusher[ro] : No problem.  If you ever have weird system errors, and I see you ask about it, I always look for proprietary video drivers first.  I've noticed a trend with people seeing system errors and running proprietary drivers.
[08:03] <manchicken> Leading me to wonder why folks bother ;)
[08:08] <freshburn> alright bed time all cya sorry codyt if it was win id be more help im still linux newb
[08:08] <codyt> np
[08:08] <codyt> I'll eventually get it figured out.
[08:08] <freshburn> but im getting there
[08:15] <php-freak> does kubuntu have like something where it can automatically fil forms out?
[08:15] <php-freak> like article forms, and etc?
[08:15] <php-freak> like roboform
[08:36] <nate_> anyone?
[08:37] <Corpis> noeone?
[08:37] <unix_infidel> !ask
[08:37] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:40] <kraut> moin
[08:41] <nate_> my questions, ive installed edgy on my p100 laptop, but my fans dont spin so things are getting mighty hot
[08:41] <nate_> how can i fix it
[08:41] <nate_> and also
[08:41] <nate_> i got beryl working using edgys aiglx, but i could only run 16detp and it didnt seem as smooth fast as i should be, but i suspect that to the overheating
[08:51] <bjraz> does anyone know where to get the patch for binutils 2.5?
[08:54] <nate_> is there anything where i can control my laptop fan?
[08:54] <nate_> it dosnt seem to be working
[08:54] <nate_> it works in xp, but not edgy
[08:54] <nate_> its a toshiba p100
[08:56] <nate_> hello
[09:04] <graniti> hi. with which command can i exit kde?
[09:05] <cyber-hazard> anyone have a recommendation for web cam use with a windows user? she's using Yahoo, but it seems that kopete doesn't like web cams too much. at least not on my laptop
[09:07] <TheInfinity> cyber-hazard: if you are behind a router you need ports forwardet to your computer
[09:07] <TheInfinity> and - you have to connect the webcam direct to your computer, usb hubs and webcams are a problem
[09:08] <cyber-hazard> TheInfinity: it works fine for me, just will freeze the laptop after a while. as far as incoming, it doesn't continue the feed. just a few frames then quites
[09:08] <cyber-hazard> TheInfinity: don't have it on a hug
[09:08] <cyber-hazard> TheInfinity: and I've even tried my computer as the DMZ, so it's not a firewall problem
[09:08] <cyber-hazard> hehe, hug = hub
[09:09] <TheInfinity> hmm ... thats really strange ... i have only experience in MSN webcam and kopete - and this works most times ...
[09:09] <cyber-hazard> okay, maybe it's just a problem with the Y! protocol (wouldn't surprise me) I'll have her try MSN when she gets home
[09:10] <cyber-hazard> (the trials of dating someone across an ocean....so lame)
[09:10] <TheInfinity> *g*
[09:10] <cyber-hazard> TheInfinity: anyways, thanks for the help. I'm gonna try and get some sleep. see you all bright and early :P
[09:11] <bjraz> does anyone know where to get the patch for binutils 2.5?
[09:12] <bjraz> TheInfinity: do you konw where an update for binutils 2.5 is?
[09:13] <TheInfinity> bjraz: for which platform?
[09:14] <bjraz> kubuntu
[09:15] <TheInfinity> x68?
[09:15] <TheInfinity> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/devel/binutils/ <-- here you have all you need - perhaps a little more then you need :=
[09:15] <bjraz> TheInfinity: yes i686
[09:17] <bjraz> TheInfinity: thank you
[09:18] <bjraz> TheInfinity: the version of Kubuntu I have still has 2.4
[09:18] <cpk1> any ideas why I would only be getting the left channel from my digital audio output?
[09:18] <TheInfinity> wrong alsa.conf or hardware problem
[09:19] <TheInfinity> bjraz: you must have a very old kubuntu version - i have 2.17 ...
[09:20] <cpk1> everything was working fine until i got back from vacation and now I have barely got it working again, shouldnt be hardware problem, what would i be looking for in alsa.conf?
[09:20] <exceswater> hi all
[09:20] <exceswater> !vlc
[09:20] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[09:23] <bjraz> TheInfinity: I'n trying to get glibc 2.5 on, this system still has 2.4  I have kubuntu 6.10
[09:24] <bjraz> and the adept manager only has upto bintuils2.4
[09:25] <TheInfinity> hmm ... problem of the sources.list?
[09:25] <bjraz> yeah
[09:26] <exceswater> hi guys
[09:26] <exceswater> who can help a noob ?
[09:26] <exceswater> with some small things ?
[09:27] <TheInfinity> if we can get it in 20 mins - then i have to go to university ;)
[09:28] <bjraz> TheInfinity: how do I install a .deb file for the most recent version, it says the file is in use at present
[09:29] <bjraz> I have "libc6-dbg_2.5-0ubuntu8_i386.deb"
[09:29] <TheInfinity> which file is used? the one you want to install or the one which is installed?
[09:29] <bjraz> I'm guessing glibc is in use
[09:30] <bjraz> yes, the one I want to upgrade
[09:30] <bjraz> libc6 is in use
[09:31] <bjraz> not glibc, sorry
[09:32] <TheInfinity> perhaps you should do it by updating your sources.list because there should be several dependencys?
[09:32] <bjraz> I don't know how to update it with out it erroring
[09:33] <bjraz> I have a different place I'd like to get my files from, casue its up to date
[09:34] <cpk1> exceswater: just say what the problem is then see if anyone knows the answer
[09:35] <bjraz> TheInfinity: the new version of libc6 came out 06-Jan-2007
[09:36] <bjraz> this is the site I'm at: http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[09:37] <TheInfinity> libc6 2.4.1ubuntu12 ?
[09:38] <TheInfinity> i think this site is a little outdated ...
[09:38] <bjraz> the new one is libc6 2.5-1ubuntu8
[09:38] <TheInfinity> hmm
[09:39] <bjraz> the new package is here: http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/glibc/
[09:39] <bjraz> its called libc6-dbg_2.5-0ubuntu8
[09:40] <TheInfinity> hmm on this way ... try to install it via konsole only or via boot cd
[09:40] <TheInfinity> i have to go to unisversity ... :/
[09:40] <bjraz> okay, can we figure this out later, I need some sleep myself
[09:41] <bjraz> TheInfinity: I added you to buddies, or Wached Nicks, or whatever its called
[09:44] <bjraz> TheInfinity: I'll catch you later
[09:56] <chuen> Hi. I interrupted apt-get and now can't use  Adept manager. I was using terminal (not running now) . How do I close apt-get?
[09:58] <mineur> !adeptfix
[09:58] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[09:59] <magnus_> newbie: I have diskfull ==> df gives me Available 0 and login using kubuntu doesn't work I just comes back to the login screen... My poblem is that ven if I delete files and run sudo apt-get clean I still have available 0
[10:00] <exceswater> 10x people
[10:00] <exceswater> i gave up ideea
[10:00] <Corpis> ok, now im back withmore dukb questions
[10:00] <exceswater> it's too hard for me
[10:00] <Corpis> trying to load eneymy territory
[10:00] <Corpis> keeps comming up saying ./setup.sh:289 not found
[10:01] <Corpis> am I loading it wrong?
[10:06] <sam_> any clue whats the best GL with NVIDA XGL or AIGLX?
 whats the best way to run beryl on edgy
[10:15] <mineur> nate_: aiglx is only supported for nvidia with the beta driver for the moment
[10:15] <sam_> hmm.. thanx
[10:15] <sam_> so its XGL then..
[10:16] <mineur> at the moment that's indeed the best way
[10:16] <sam_> Thx ciao
[10:18] <elyon> How can I enable numlock on startup?
[10:19] <mineur> gnome or kde?
[10:20] <elyon> kde
[10:20] <mineur> install numlockx
[10:21] <dwidmann> there's an easier way than that
[10:21] <elyon> dwidmann: What's that?
[10:21] <dwidmann> systemsettings -> keyboard
[10:22] <Corpis> is there a reason why enemy territory install is saying folders are missing or something?
[10:22] <Corpis> seems kinda weird
[10:22] <Corpis> that it isnt working just normall
[10:24] <elyon> dwidmann: Thank you.
[10:28] <chuen> Hi. Anyone help me with my apt-get query?
[10:29] <dwidmann> !adeptfix
[10:29] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[10:32] <chuen> ubotu: Will try, thx.
[10:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Will try, thx. - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:33] <pvandewyngaerde> when playing knetwalk, it crashes when a level is finished
[10:34] <chuen> ubotu: That worked fine. Thanks for your help.
[10:34] <tobias__> ubotu is a bot
[10:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is a bot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:35] <tobias__> :))
[10:35] <chuen> dwidmann: Thanks :)
[10:36] <tobias__> !wesnoth
[10:36] <ubotu> wesnoth: fantasy turn-based strategy game. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.1.8-1 (edgy), package size 1820 kB, installed size 4140 kB
[10:36] <dwidmann> chuen: you're welcome
[10:36] <tobias__> :D
[10:36] <pvandewyngaerde> #6  0xb7ee708b in KExtHighscore::PlayerInfos::submitScore ()   from /usr/lib/libkdegames.so.1 <= knetwalk c rash
[10:36] <elyon> How can I format a music player?  I need to reformat the disk on my mp3 player...
[10:37] <chuen> Is it possible to upgrade Java version using Adept Manager?
[10:37] <pvandewyngaerde> elyon: i would't risk it to format my music player
[10:38] <tobias__> it upgrades by itself I think
[10:38] <elyon> pvandewyngaerde: Well, it's really screwed up right now... I can add files, but not delete them.  When I delete them, they aren't visible in the file browser, but I can still play them from my mp3 player.
[10:38] <tobias__> !update java
[10:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about update java - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:38] <tobias__> err
[10:38] <tobias__> !adept
[10:38] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[10:38] <tobias__> check out the wiki
[10:39] <tobias__> it has autoupdate, from time to time it pops up in the right corner asking you if you want to update stuff
[10:39] <chuen> tobias: Thanks
[10:39] <tobias__> well, maybe not the right corner, depends on how your kubuntu looks like, but still it pops up in a corner somewhere:)
[10:40] <dwidmann> if you want to do it with adept, you'll have to add another repository first, most likely ... else, you could probably download the debs from the feisty repository
[10:41] <chuen> dwidmann: I ran into trouble at Konsole as another screen appeard *within* the console screen asking me to slscet 'OK' (which I couldn't, or didn't know how to)
[10:42] <elyon> chuen: You need to press TAB until the OK is highlighted ;)
[10:42] <elyon> Then press enter.
[10:42] <chuen> elyon: Ah! OK. I'll try it again - thanks.
[10:42] <elyon> chuen: No problem.
[10:43] <pvandewyngaerde> elyon: can't you format from within the music player ?
[10:43] <elyon> pvandewyngaerde: Thought I could, but I see no option for it (and the user guide doesn't mention it)
[10:43] <elyon> pvandewyngaerde: I've not been too happy with this player lol
[10:47] <bill> hello
[10:47] <nate_> hi
[10:48] <bill> got a quick question...
[10:48] <nate_> i probably  cant help cause im new to this, but felt like saying hi lol
[10:48] <bill> ah
[10:48] <nate_> ask your question tho im sure the others are reading
[10:50] <bill> hmm well...I just did a server install/kde-core install. I then installed linux-686. my grub shows a "server" kernel and a "generic" kernel. what is the difference?
[10:50] <nate_> boot with the 686 one i guess, all i know its better
[10:50] <anatoliy> what up
[10:51] <bill> which is the 686? generic or server..?
[10:55] <nate_> server i guess
[10:55] <nate_> try it
[11:03] <just-this-time> hi \o
[11:03] <just-this-time> simple q. what is the command line  command for installing a downloaded .deb package - skype for example
[11:05] <abattoir> just-this-time: 'sudo dpkg -i <path to file/name of file>'
[11:05] <abattoir> just-this-time: alternatively you could rt. click on that file ->Kubuntu Package Menu->Install Package
[11:06] <just-this-time> abattoir: tyvm
[11:06] <abattoir> np
[11:06] <just-this-time> sudo dpkg -i is alright for me
[11:14] <fr0sted> i got a proccess running , but even sudo kill -9 <pid> doesnt stop the proccess . how could i stop it ?
[11:15] <stdin> pray to the gods of linux
[11:16] <arbus> fr0sted: what process is this?
[11:16] <fr0sted> 28902 alarm     16   0 69500  25m  20m D    0  5.1   0:07.73 kdetv
[11:16] <fr0sted> it seems that it freezed, as i still hear the sound playing while the gui closed
[11:17] <fr0sted> and no ps command works. could see the pid with top only
[11:21] <arbus> fr0sted: The 'D' status means that the process is in uninterruptible sleep. usually means that it is tied up in some driver code. The kill signal will only be delivered when it comes out of this system call. does this happen repeatedly or only sometimes?
[11:22] <bill> im really impressed by kde...
[11:22] <bill> I used gnome for years
[11:22] <fr0sted> it happens when i close kdetv , only then . the gui closes the kdetv proccess is running as also the sound on the backround of kdetv
[11:22] <bill> and ive been experimenting with kde-core installs...very nice
[11:22] <fr0sted> and i cant use either lsof /dev/video to see whats happening
[11:23] <fr0sted> could be an nvidia driver fault ? whats the driver package to install it ?
[11:23] <fr0sted> and see if that is the problem
[11:24] <arbus> kdetv is just a front-end for the video4linux which uses tv tuner and the video card's DRI calls. the problem could be in both, though i suspect it could be the former.
[11:25] <arbus> does the same problem happen with other tv watcher programs - say tvtime?
[11:25] <fr0sted> someone gave me to add a module command in a file in /etc/modprobe.d but didnt fix the problem , and i got that problem long time now but cant find any solution . searched in lkml nothing found
[11:25] <fr0sted> yes. also tried mythtv (took me several days to isntall it but anyway) it happens all the time
[11:25] <arbus> is that the tuner module option? what tv card is being used?
[11:26] <fr0sted> the point is , that it doesnt happen always. but pretty ofte. i mean i could close the app 2-3 times and not to be happen , and on the 4th the problems to start
[11:26] <momal> When my pc boots into kubuntu (from around half way through the loading bar) i hear this noise, an alarm type noise. just a constant noise, once my computer gets to the desktop (after login) it stops. If i boot into windows it doens't happen. Any ideas what it is and how to stop it ? It just suddenly started to happen :S.
[11:27] <fr0sted> errors that i see when i run it from command line while this happens are: V4L2Grabber::~V4L2Grabber(): deleted.,kdetv: WARNING: V4L2Dev: VIDIOC_QBUF failed: Invalid argument , libzvbi:v4l2_stream_stop: Suspending stream.
[11:27] <fr0sted> after a reboot , and loging in kde , tv application starts automatically with sound and iamge
[11:27] <fr0sted> tv card: winfast tv2000 xp expert with cx chipset
[11:30] <arbus> fr0sted: are you able to tune into a specific channel clearly? are all frequencies tunable?
[11:30] <fr0sted> yes, thats not a problem
[11:30] <arbus> was this tuner autodetected or did you have to type in a tuner card type?
[11:31] <fr0sted> while its running it runs ok . well the quality is not the best, but had the same quality with mythtv , thats most likely a drivers problem for the quality , but i dont know on what section i should check for that hanging problem
[11:31] <fr0sted> autodetected
[11:35] <arbus> fr0sted: you may want to turn on the debug flag for the v4l driver and use dmesg to see which call in v4l is causing this D status. you could also use strace ("strace -eopen -f ....") to detect the syscall which causes kdetv to hang.
[11:35] <arbus> fr0sted: you could also try using tvtime to see if this is an issue with the way kdetv calls video4linux.
[11:35] <fr0sted> arbus,  i must say i did run dmesg but i couldnt figure out much , i am somehow newbie here
[11:36] <fr0sted> arbus,  tvtime has also the same problem
[11:37] <fr0sted> [17179587.580000]  ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:02:0a.0[A]  -> GSI 22 (level, low) -> IRQ 169
[11:37] <fr0sted> [17179587.580000]  eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xe08a2000, 00:e0:7d:95:5d:0a, IRQ 169
[11:37] <fr0sted> this could be something maybe...
[11:37] <arbus> fr0sted: dmesg dumps messages put out by drivers. in your case you will have to turn on the debug flag while loading the driver to get detailed messages from v4l driver. I suppose you are using the bttv driver? Try "dmesg | grep bttv"
[11:38] <fr0sted> cx
[11:38] <fr0sted> leadet winfast uses a cx chipset
[11:39] <arbus> fr0sted: acpi/eth0 messages are from the ethernet chipset. i dont think they are related to the issue at hand
[11:39] <fr0sted> thats what grep gave me: http://mishu.eu.org/paste/view.php?id=3005
[11:39] <fr0sted> nothing suspicious
[11:41] <luca_b> Hello. Anyone expert with rsync here?
[11:44] <fr0sted> anyway. for the need of installation of nvidia drivers . on a intelp p. 4 with HT , i need first to install linux-386 ?
[11:45] <fr0sted> or 686
[11:48] <fr0sted> somehow uname -r doesnt give me the architecture i need
[11:49] <exceswater> @offtopic
[11:49] <exceswater> !offtopic
[11:49] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[11:53] <animimotus> hello
[11:54] <animimotus> for jabber (n kopete) the only port to open are 5222 and 5223 for jabber-ssl ?
[11:54] <animimotus> * in
[12:00] <arbus> fr0sted: you may want to try with nv driver first to rule out issues with nvidia driver and then try set bttv module loading options with "debug=1" flag to catch internal errors in the v4l driver.
[12:00] <fr0sted> okie, thank u i am installing allready nvidia drivers.
[12:01] <fr0sted> found this: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_Nvidia_Dapper
[12:01] <fr0sted> but i dont know if its the best guide
[12:01] <stdin> the ubuntu help page tell you how to get the latest driver too
[12:05] <fr0sted> i dont think its installed. did the steps followed. installed the latest linux-generic
[12:05] <fr0sted> also nvidia-glx
[12:06] <fr0sted> but on glxinfo i see. client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporationclient glx version string: 1.4 . OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[12:06] <enigm4> hi all
[12:06] <enigm4> i've a big problem
[12:06] <fr0sted> according to the instructions it should be OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[12:07] <flaccid> hi guys. sorry to trouble just wondering if anybody has the font called malayalam that is english??
[12:07] <codyt> I was able to use apt-get to install my nvidia drivers.
[12:07] <codyt> Dunno about Drapper, though.
[12:07] <codyt> I'm on Edgy.
[12:08] <stdin> I'm on Feisty :)
[12:08] <enigm4> my keyboard works during the boot of the live cd, when X runs it stops to work... so i changed it adn it work... i installed it... i rebooted with the new keyboard... and it does not works....
[12:08] <enigm4> what cha i do_
[12:08] <enigm4> ??
[12:08] <enigm4> can**
[12:10] <enigm4> no one?
[12:11] <codyt> I'd use an unstable release if I had faster internet.
[12:12] <codyt> with my luck, I'd get some kind of critical bug in mine, then not be able to get the updates required to fix it.
[12:21] <chuen> Hi. Can anyone recommend an app for analysing web  log files (other than analog) that's easy to configure?
[12:23] <arbus> chuen: how about webalizer?
[12:26] <arbus> enigm4: boot up uses console while X uses its own keyboard settings. See xmodmap for details. Are you sure you selected the right keyboard for X?
[12:27] <chuen> arbus: I'll take a look. It's not for stats from a serevr runing locally, but client's raw stats from *their* servers.
[12:28] <MaxDamage``> hey guys, i got a huge problem
[12:28] <MaxDamage``> i can't switch to a resolution higher that 640x480
[12:28] <MaxDamage``> :/
[12:29] <arbus> chuen: do you mean an offline log analysis?
[12:29] <MaxDamage``> any ideas would be welcome
[12:29] <flaccid> i did an offline one recently. i think it was webalizer
[12:30] <arbus> MaxDamage: could you be more specific? is this from a live CD? what video card? what monitor?
[12:30] <flaccid> MaxDamage``: load the correct drivers?
[12:30] <MaxDamage``> oh
[12:30] <chuen> arbus: Yes. I collect their stats usually via FTP. Used to check 'em in Winodoze but ditched it :)
[12:30] <chuen> arbus: webalizer looks like it could be ok.
[12:30] <MaxDamage``> they're loaded :p
[12:30] <chuen> arbus: will see if it has a 'deb' install.
[12:30] <MaxDamage``> ati/fglrx
[12:31] <chuen> arbus: Doh! just found it :)
[12:31] <chuen> arbus: in adept.
[12:32] <MaxDamage``> i selected ATi Radeon
[12:32] <MaxDamage``> be right back
[12:32] <karmikaze> hrmm im trying to play this java game, but firefox says i have a missing plugin, jre
[12:32] <karmikaze> but i have jre...
[12:32] <karmikaze> !java applet
[12:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about java applet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:33] <stdin> karmikaze: do you have the plugin ?
[12:33] <karmikaze> i have sun jre
[12:33] <stdin> karmikaze: you need this too: sun-java5-plugin
[12:34] <karmikaze> ah ty
[12:34] <stdin> np :)
[12:34] <MaxDamage``> it didnt work :/
[12:42] <ForgeAus> hey all :)
[12:42] <ForgeAus> my WinXP died
[12:42] <codyt> out of curiousity, has anyone registered with the linux counter?
[12:43] <MaxDamage``> it eventually does
[12:43] <MaxDamage``> :p
[12:43] <codyt> ForgeAus, sounds like WinXP.
[12:43] <ForgeAus> especially with what I do with it! lol
[12:43] <MaxDamage``> !windows
[12:43] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[12:43] <MaxDamage``> :p
[12:43] <ForgeAus> I don't want help with it!
[12:43] <ForgeAus> I can always repair install
[12:43] <MaxDamage``> i know :P
[12:43] <ForgeAus> if that even works
[12:43] <MaxDamage``> just joking with the bot
[12:43] <codyt> haha
[12:44] <codyt> my XP box has trojans and such on it.
[12:45] <codyt> Lots of people used it while I was away for 8months, and no one knew how to clean it.
[12:46] <ForgeAus> hmmm
[12:47] <codyt> now it's a bit of a mess, and I can't stand to use it.
[12:47] <codyt> don't have any recovery CDs or such.
[12:49] <dr3as> a question, why can't i find the libgimpprint-dev package
[12:49] <dr3as> running edgy
[12:50] <Alarm> hello . i just installed the new nvidia drivers but now my kdetv doesnt find any device . mplayer and other media players play normal videos
[12:51] <Alarm> it shows the error :kdetv: WARNING: [VBIDecoder::restart()]  no permission to access device
[12:53] <nino> !mp3
[12:53] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:55] <MaxDamage``> still having that resolution problem... :/
[01:00] <mushroom> aloha
[01:01] <tarden> hey can somone help me_
[01:01] <tarden> ?
[01:01] <tarden> DCOP communications error (KMess) /Could not read network connection list. /home/tarden/.DCOPserver_ip6-allhosts__0
[01:01] <tarden> anyone know what that is about?
[01:03] <tarden> anyone?....
[01:03] <spawn57> shot in the dark, looks like you got ipv6 enabled
[01:03] <tarden> should i disable that_
[01:03] <tarden> ?
[01:04] <spawn57> it gave me problems iwth my network card, mainly with msn
[01:04] <spawn57> and i doubt you're using it
[01:05] <tarden> i want do logg on on my net pasport but can\t inst msn msg u know ant good prog for logon msn_
[01:05] <spawn57> msn messenger?
[01:05] <tarden> yeha
[01:05] <tarden> yeah
[01:05] <spawn57> kopete, kmess and gaim are the most popular
[01:05] <spawn57> and amsn I think
[01:06] <tarden> my gaim dont work
[01:06] <tarden> cant connect with it
[01:06] <spawn57> everything or just msn?
[01:06] <spawn57> cos then you might have the same problem I did
[01:07] <tarden> dun cant inst msn but u know how to login with gaim?
[01:07] <spawn57> um, not really, i just remember setting up accounts on it once
[01:08] <spawn57> try this
[01:08] <fildo> flaccid sucks my nuts
[01:08] <spawn57> type in the command sudo modprobe -r ipv6 in a shell, like konsole, and log into msn with kmess again
[01:09] <flaccid> and they are salty
[01:10] <tarden> it ask for password my pass or anyone els?
[01:10] <spawn57> yours
[01:10] <spawn57> the one you log in with
[01:11] <tarden> get msg FATAL: Module ipv6 is in use.
[01:12] <tarden> kmess still hates me
[01:12] <spawn57> ah dammit
[01:12] <spawn57> alright, do this then
[01:12] <spawn57> sudo -i , type in you password
[01:13] <spawn57> then type echo blacklist ipv6 > /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-ipv6
[01:14] <tarden> all that or just echo blacklist ipv6
[01:14] <stdin> !ipv6
[01:14] <spawn57> all that
[01:14] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[01:14] <spawn57> oh even better
[01:14] <stdin> and "echo blacklist ipv6 | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-ipv6" would work too :)
[01:15] <spawn57> what's tee do?
[01:15] <stdin> tee (1)              - read from standard input and write to standard output and files
[01:15] <tarden> then after that?
[01:15] <spawn57> ah just manned it, it's just like redirection
[01:15] <the-erm> Has anyone had problems with the screen saver not functioning properly I get a big X when I let it naturally time out, and it doesn't lock me out like I've requested either.
[01:16] <the-erm> I though maybe ... xscreensaver was running, but it's not.
[01:16] <spawn57> tarden, double check it, type in cat /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-ipv6 , if it should say blacklist ipv6 on your screen.
[01:16] <stdin> the-erm: that's not the main screensaver, that's the "blanking", turn it off with "xset s off"
[01:16] <spawn57> tarden: if it does, then reboot and try logging in, should work fine
[01:17] <the-erm> Does that need to be ran every time stdin?
[01:17] <tarden> yeah get blacklist
[01:18] <spawn57> "blacklist ipv6" ?
[01:18] <tarden> y
[01:18] <spawn57> arlight
[01:18] <spawn57> reboot
[01:18] <stdin> the-erm: unless you comment out "Option          "DPMS"" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:18] <the-erm> ok thanks stdin.
[01:18] <the-erm> I appreciate your help.
[01:18] <stdin> np :)
[01:20] <the-erm> odd DPMS doesn't exist ... in xorg.conf.
[01:21] <the-erm> It's no biggie I'll just add the command to ~/.kde/AutoStart
[01:21] <stdin> it's under "Section "Monitor"" for me
[01:22] <spawn57> stdin: i'm stepping out for a walk, mind helping tarden with the ipv6 problem if he still needs it?
[01:22] <stdin> spawn57: sure, it's not too difficult :)
[01:23] <spawn57> haha trying to figure that out drove me nuts,  I installed edgy when it first released
[01:24] <the-erm> stdin: http://the-erm.com/~erm/monitor.txt
[01:24] <tarden> hey
[01:24] <the-erm> As you can see it's not there :)
[01:24] <tarden> now i rebootet
[01:24] <tarden> now what?
[01:24] <spawn57> tarden: log into msn with kmess
[01:24] <stdin> the-erm: yeah, well it was for me :P
[01:26] <tarden> still same error msg /btw allways can login just it freez and all my contatcs are gone
[01:26] <spawn57> tarden: oh, I never had that problem =O
[01:26] <stdin> don't know why DCOP is using ipv6
[01:27] <stdin> does it happen for other users ?
[01:27] <tarden> ip6 just my host name :S
[01:27] <spawn57> tarden: I dont' think I can help you with that.
[01:27] <spawn57> tarden: ah
[01:28] <tarden> btw dos it matter what host name i have?
[01:28] <spawn57> tarden: hmm one last thing you can try is to rename/delete the .kmess settings folder in you home directory, see if that works
[01:28] <stdin> ip6-allhosts is a hostname for ff02::3
[01:29] <andreasw> hi
[01:29] <tarden> and what if i dont have .kmess folder att all :S
[01:29] <spawn57> I'm off, later guys.  g'luck tarden I don't what's wrong
[01:30] <spawn57> you should, folders starting with . are hidden by default
[01:31] <Gost> df
[01:31] <tarden> still dont have .kmess
[01:34] <tarden> well nvm ^^ after that ipv6 disable i can use gaim
[01:34] <ForgeAus> ipv6 is a problem?
[01:34] <tarden> seems like that
[01:34] <tarden> cant connect to any comunicator prog with it on
[01:35] <tarden> iofs maybe that just me
[01:35] <roel_bzy> hello i have an broadcom wireless network card. It's working with fwcutter but I can't connect to a wep protected network???
[01:37] <tarden> well anyone know / one say ago i did ride the bus in 2 town and some guy sat with his laptop with linux and u know workplace 1.2.3.4 he just pressed somthing and moved his mouse around and desktop move like turning.. anyone know what that is?
[01:39] <stdin> tarden: sounds like looking glass
[01:40] <stdin> http://www.sun.com/software/looking_glass/ and https://lg3d-core.dev.java.net/
[01:44] <tarden> ok ty
[01:44] <andreasw> Until they invent 3D Input Devices all the 3D Desktops are just eye candy ;)
[01:45] <tarden> ^^
[01:45] <andreasw> I think in far future we won't have any keyboard or monitor
[01:45] <andreasw> all is pluged into your brain ;)
[01:46] <andreasw> and than linux uses the wrong modelines and your brain explodes ;)
[01:46] <tarden> haha
[01:47] <tarden> wel c u guys gonna reboot
[01:47] <andreasw> bye
[01:54] <tarden> hey agian well where can i get that thing so i can cast around my desktop?
[01:55] <andreasw> tarden, <stdin> http://www.sun.com/software/looking_glass/ and https://lg3d-core.dev.java.net/
[01:55] <tarden> ty i did forgett to save it before i rebooted doh :P
[01:55] <[StingRay] > Hi stdin :)
[01:56] <stdin> hey [StingRay] 
[01:57] <morti1s> anybody updated to 7.04?
[01:58] <Jucato> considering it's still in alpha... nope...
[01:58] <stdin> well, I installed it, didn't update tho
[01:58] <Jucato> only brave souls :)
[01:58] <morti1s> hehe
[01:58] <Jucato> or crazy ones
[01:58] <morti1s> i'm installing it
[01:59] <Jucato> !feisty
[01:59] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[01:59] <Jucato> be sure to be there ^^^^^
[02:00] <morti1s> one hour remaining
[02:00] <morti1s> it'll be interesting to see if it boots
[02:00] <roel_bzy> does anyone know how I can fix my broadcom wireless card? It can't connect to wireless network but it can scan the networks.
[02:02] <[StingRay] > Hey, stdin. For how long are you using posix OS-es? (10 years ?)
[02:03] <stdin> [StingRay] : yeah, I've used linux for 10 yeays
[02:03] <[StingRay] > stdin, just trying to guess ;)
[02:03] <stdin> since I was 10 :)
[02:03] <Jucato> ouch..
[02:03] <Jucato> 10+10 = 20...
[02:03] <[StingRay] > And I bet English is your native?
[02:04] <stdin> yep
[02:04] <stdin> Jucato: yep, i'm 20
[02:04] <[StingRay] > stdin, ;) I'd better go for a lotto.
[02:04] <stdin> heh
[02:05] <Jucato> ugh... I'm almost 24.. and I've only used Linux for a year... :(
[02:06] <stdin> my 1st distro was mandrake, the I bought a suse 8.2 disk and used that for a while, then I went to debian and used that for years
[02:07] <roel_bzy> i'm also 24 and i'm using kubuntu for three weeks
[02:07] <Jucato> hehe :)
[02:07] <roel_bzy> and its very hard i must say. Nothing comes without a fight
[02:07] <andreasw> I switched back from kubuntu to ubuntu yesterday
[02:07] <roel_bzy> first old ati card (fixed it with fglrx). Now my wireless networkcard broadcom that doesn't work
[02:08] <stdin> I've always prefired KDE over Gnome
[02:08] <morti1s> me too
[02:08] <roel_bzy> and after that i need to find a solution about my usb headset
[02:09] <[StingRay] > stdin, I found a resolution for my problem with the messed order of subwindows in wine(Virtual Desktop). The last problem is that a guy posted bug 4505, thus making all wine apps run in one virtual desktop.
[02:09] <[StingRay] > stdin, imho there should be an option in winecfg to each user to choose.
[02:10] <jean-b> hello there
[02:10] <stdin> [StingRay] : well, make a wish bug for it :)
[02:10] <codyt> sup
[02:10] <[StingRay] > If I cannot resolve this I have to make a terminal session for each wine app.Some users work with 2 or more of the same app
[02:10] <bartist> codyt, i received your messages very late yesterday
[02:11] <bartist> i did not respond you
[02:11] <[StingRay] > :), stdin
[02:11] <bartist> i am sorry
[02:11] <bartist> i left my pc and forgot to quit the chat
[02:11] <codyt> ah
[02:11] <bartist> but thanx for your help
[02:11] <codyt> no biggy.
[02:12] <bartist> i am still without sounds
[02:12] <codyt> you're welcome.
[02:12] <bartist> when i run alsamixer in konsole
[02:12] <roel_bzy> if i connect to an wireless network, should my not wireless network be disabled or not?
[02:13] <ForgeAus> hmm
[02:13] <bartist> it says my card is Intel 82801CA-ICH3 with a chip: Realtek ALC101
[02:13] <bartist> i think it is the wrong chip
[02:13] <bartist> isn't it?
[02:15] <bartist> ??
[02:16] <codyt> Thought Realtek was ethernet.. but they might do more than that.
[02:16] <codyt> oh
[02:16] <codyt> Realtek Semiconductor
[02:16] <bartist> that is the point
[02:16] <codyt> they probably do more than just ethernet.
[02:17] <bartist> may be alsamixer think my audio card is an ethernet card
[02:17] <codyt> probably not.
[02:17] <bartist> although my ethernet card works fine
[02:17] <bartist> i think my chip should be AC97
[02:18] <Grumpf> hi there
[02:18] <codyt> my soundcard on the other computer is a Realtek AC97
[02:19] <codyt> although, I can't even get Linux to boot up properly on it.
[02:19] <bartist> arffff
[02:20] <bartist> i dont want to remove linux and reinstall windows just because af a sound issue
[02:20] <codyt> Hrm.
[02:21] <codyt> no, we wouldn't want that..
[02:22] <Grumpf> i have just installed kubuntu (Edgy Eft) and am now trying to get WLAN running. i figured out i need a newer version of madwifi for my Atheros chip. i downloaded the package and now i am trying to go through the install process. How do i check the options in the kernel .config file?
[02:22] <bartist> my audio controller is intel corp 82801CA/CAM AC'97
[02:22] <codyt> I forget how long it took me to get my sound working with Gentoo..
[02:23] <bartist> but i had NO PROBLEM with ubuntu dapper!!
[02:23] <bartist> and it worked a bit on kubuntu edgy
[02:23] <stdin> Grumpf: the .config is saved as /boot/config-`uname -r`
[02:23] <blue|palm|palm> 
[02:24] <codyt> bartist, I don't recommend it yet, but if all else fails you might be able to get a cheap PCI soundcard that you're sure is supported by linux.
[02:25] <blue|palm> !adeptfix
[02:25] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[02:25] <bartist> arf ................
[02:25] <Grumpf> stdin. how do i access it? konqueror shows only "home" and "media" in the topmost directory.
[02:25] <bartist> i should start thinking of replacing my laptop
[02:25] <n0ne> heyal
[02:25] <bartist> it is 6 yo
[02:25] <stdin> Grumpf: you can just go to /boot in the address bar
[02:26] <stdin> !hidden | Grumpf
[02:26] <ubotu> Grumpf: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[02:26] <Jucato> just type it in Grumpf
[02:26] <soulrider> does anyone here have an LCD monitor? I see a darker spot, does it mean the pixels are dead ?
[02:27] <lombra> e ai povo. alguem usa roundcube por aqui?!
[02:27] <codyt> I have a darker spot because I had to travel with my monitor, and weight was put on it.
[02:27] <dwidmann> doesn't mean its neccessarily dead, it might have just gotten dull
[02:27] <codyt> and I also have an annoying purple line going down it.
[02:27] <blue|palm> if knetworkmanager doesnt find any wireless networks, but wireless assisten does, is there anything i could do?
[02:28] <codyt> sucks, 'cause I got the monitor only a month before it got damaged.
[02:28] <blue|palm> wireless assistant
[02:28] <dwidmann> is it still under any sort of warranty codyt?
[02:28] <[StingRay] > stdin, do you have experience with Gbit ethernet NICs? I hear people complaining about bottlenecks with 1Gbit NICs. Can you suggest a stable model from D-link? I have to set 3 PC-s with real 1
[02:28] <codyt> probably not, seeing how I let excessive weight be put onit.
[02:28] <blue|palm> another thing, are there known issues over usb hdd problems?
[02:29] <[StingRay] > real 1 Gbit thoughput, stdin
[02:29] <codyt> Damaging the product yourself usually voids waranty.
[02:29] <codyt> although, I didn't have a lot of choice.
[02:29] <zerozero> i recently upgraded to edgy from dapper by resinstalling, before I didn't have any video problems but it seems like edgy doesn't have my driver, how do I find the right driver so I can increase my resolution?
[02:29] <dwidmann> erm, they don't need to know what happened, hehe
[02:29] <[StingRay] > I read the hardware compatiblity but, realtek in not the best choice imho...stdin
[02:30] <stdin> [StingRay] : no, all I gave is 100Mbit cards, tho I have heard of bottlenecks in Gbit models
[02:30] <spawn57> zerozero: you need to download the restricted modules package to support your video card properly
[02:30] <codyt> I'm sure they've had people send in monitors that had been damaged by the customer,  and would quickly recognize it.
[02:31] <spawn57> zerozero: there's a for all those things in one of kubuntu's pages ..um..
[02:31] <spawn57> !mp3
[02:31] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:31] <spawn57> that's the place
[02:32] <[StingRay] > ok, thanks, stdin.
[02:32] <bartist> codyt you should try
[02:32] <bartist> you have nothing to loose
[02:32] <codyt> I'd have to pay to ship my monitor, surely.
[02:32] <codyt> Then if they denied me, I'd have to pay to have it shipped back.
[02:33] <dwidmann> codyt, you might be able to do a dropoff/pickup depending where they want it done at
[02:33] <codyt> I'll look into it.
[02:33] <zerozero> spawn57: thanks
[02:34] <spawn57> zerozero np
[02:34] <[StingRay] > Does anybody here own a Gbit ethernet controller? Can you share if you can reach the real throughput and which is your model?
[02:35] <ForgeAus> you mean like a Marvell Yukon?
[02:35] <dwidmann> I've got two of them, unfortunately, the rest of the computers in my house don't have them, so I can't really use them for what they are.
[02:35] <ForgeAus> heheh lol dwid
[02:35] <dwidmann> Mine are Marvell and NForce4 ... integrated
[02:35] <ForgeAus> you could always wire it to a router that connects to the other two some otherhow
[02:36] <ForgeAus> mines Marvell integrated into and Asus M/B (I would have preferred an Intel one but oh well)
[02:36] <dwidmann> that's not it, the problem is that the other two computers only have megabit ethernet cards
[02:36] <spawn57> ForgeAus: same here, i got a god damn realtek one
[02:37] <spawn57> 100mbps?
[02:37] <mineur> yeah
[02:37] <spawn57> or are you one some sorta bus coaxil one?
[02:37] <spawn57> ah thank god
[02:37] <dwidmann> oops
[02:37] <mineur> nah just regunar 100mbit :)
[02:37] <mineur> *regular
[02:37] <dwidmann> 'twas what I meant ... I scared myself there for a second
[02:37] <[StingRay] > ForgeAus, I am not speaking about a certain model, just Gbit ethernet controller with the corresponding network tehcnology for you to test the throughput.
[02:38] <spawn57> I read token ring was hell to manage haha
[02:38] <dwidmann> after I read what I said ... I'm like that sometimes
[02:38] <manu_> hi @ all
[02:39] <codyt> hi
[02:40] <manu_> i'm using kubuntu and on kde i put icons/links of my devices (hard disk drives) on the desktop (i think i made a drag n drop of konqueror, now my problem is i cant rename the icons as i want (e.g. windows, fat32, ntfs, reiserfs,...) he says permission denied, but i copied as user (not as root) on my kanotix it is working (rename with f2)
[02:40] <manu_> can you help?
[02:41] <dwidmann> manu: try typing this in a terminal: sudo chown -R $USER:$USER ~/Desktop/*
[02:42] <Jucato> manu_: how did you make the icons on your desktop?
[02:42] <mineur> !webcam
[02:42] <blue|palm> soulrider: I found the problem with my kubuntu booting... it seems having my external hdd in during booting was causing it to crash, every time, so booting without it in works fine
[02:42] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[02:42] <ForgeAus> icons on the desktop are easy enough
[02:42] <[StingRay] > Will a GBit network card using driver RTL-8139C be able to reach more than 100 Mbit?
[02:43] <ForgeAus> I even managed to make a Trash one! (emulating the link which was strangely a url (kioslave?) to trash:/ hehe)
[02:43] <manu_> Jucato: its some weeks ago i thought i just copied them from media:/
[02:43] <mace__> hi, i couldnt reactivate my eht0 device after using "ifconfig eth0 down". i just used "ifconfig eht0 up" but it didnt work. am i doing something wrong?
[02:43] <codyt> bartist, what mixer do you use?
[02:43] <blue|palm> Is anybody here using an ATI card?
[02:43] <bartist> kmix
[02:43] <bartist> and alsamixer
[02:43] <manu_> if i add one with right click add device, it says hda1 (e.g.) is unmounted, but its mounted in fstab
[02:44] <manu_> he mounts the devices while booting Jucato
[02:44] <mineur> [StingRay] : My guess would be yes.... but not giving guarentees :d
[02:44] <bartist> the thing that i can not understand is that it worked fine in ubuntu dapper
[02:44] <bartist> how can it bug in kubuntu edgy?
[02:44] <Jucato> hmm..
[02:44] <[StingRay] > thanks mineur
[02:44] <[StingRay] > stdin,  Will a GBit network card using driver RTL-8139C be able to reach more than 100 Mbit?
[02:44] <blue|palm> can anybody tell me how to install .deb packages?
[02:44] <bartist> just click on them
[02:45] <bartist> bkuepalm
[02:45] <dwidmann> bartist: updated software = out with the old bugs, in with the new?
[02:45] <blue|palm> it opens up ark
[02:45] <morti1s> blue|palm, dpkg -i [.deb] 
[02:45] <blue|palm> thanks
[02:45] <[StingRay] > is the driver shomehow limiting bandwith? stdin
[02:45] <bartist> it must be that dwidmann
[02:45] <bartist> i'll try installing kubuntu dapper
[02:45] <stdin> [StingRay] : it's should go with the hardware limit, but it may be limiting
[02:46] <bartist> i should replace my laptop
[02:46] <stdin> [StingRay] : you can try the other driver for it
[02:46] <bartist> when do you think it is a good time?
[02:46] <[StingRay] > stdin, I took this example from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWiredNetworkCardsDlink
[02:46] <bartist> because there is this hd dvd vs blue ray
[02:46] <bartist> and also i prefer to wait until vista
[02:47] <dwidmann> Why wait til vista? It'll add to the cost
[02:47] <[StingRay] > I don't have the card yet...just wanted to make sure if will be able to have the full bandwith, stind. I will search then for 528-T
[02:47] <bartist> because it always come with windows, so it is better to wait until vista
[02:47] <bartist> ...
[02:48] <stdin> [StingRay] : it should abide by the hardware limits
[02:48] <Grumpf> ok.. madwifi make was successful (i think). what do i have to do now to set up the networking? Install file says "after installing, your need to run modprobe ath_pci" i did it, but nothing happens when i do. iwconfig still says "no wireless extension" on all slots
[02:48] <codyt> why vista??
[02:48] <bartist> anyway what do you recommend: asus, del?
[02:48] <bartist> well because i live in a world with a system
[02:48] <bartist> and this system uses vista ...
[02:48] <dwidmann> already?
[02:48] <codyt> icky.
[02:49] <morti1s> all right
[02:49] <bartist> wo far i have no windows in my pc
[02:49] <morti1s> wish me luck, i'm going to try to boot 7.04 ;/
[02:49] <bartist> but if i have no soind in the coming week
[02:49] <bartist> i ll have to reinstall it
[02:49] <codyt> Although... I really wouldn't mind seeing how many ways I can break vista
[02:49] <codyt> but.. it's not worth the purchase.
[02:49] <[StingRay] > stdin, one last thing :). Is (k)ubuntu 6.06 able to make use of SATA2? If so, can you point me to a good chipset.
[02:49] <dwidmann> bartist, easiest way might be to get a pci sound card
[02:50] <dwidmann> or pcmcia, or whatever they are
[02:50] <bartist> if you find me a pc retailer who sells pc without win,  fax me
[02:50] <codyt> did mention that earlier.
[02:50] <dwidmann> system76?
[02:50] <mineur> bartist: plenty of them where I live
[02:50] <codyt> google for "no os pc"?
[02:50] <Grumpf> how do i load modules?
[02:50] <bartist> where do you live mineur?
[02:50] <mineur> Belgium
[02:51] <codyt> Grumpf, modprobe
[02:51] <mineur> but you can always assemble a pc yourself...
[02:51] <bartist> frites & beer =)
[02:51] <mineur> hell yeah! lol
[02:51] <bartist> i know, but i need a laptop
[02:51] <Grumpf> codyt: dos this usually give a response or something?
[02:51] <mineur> a laptop might be trickier, but there are laptop resellers who do it
[02:51] <codyt> not if it was successful.
[02:52] <bartist> do you recommend asus, dell?
[02:52] <acemo> i think my device section in my xorg.conf is a bit too small :S here is my device section of my xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2022/
[02:52] <mineur> I have a Toshiba myself
[02:52] <codyt> like, to load the usb_storage module it'd be "modprobe usb_storage"
[02:52] <stdin> [StingRay] : I think it can, tho I don't have SATA, but this is a good place to check http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/
[02:53] <[StingRay] > Thanks, stdin!
[02:53] <stdin> :)
[02:53] <codyt> Dell *claims* they love the penguin, but when I tried to configure a linux desktop, the only option for OS was FreeDOS.
[02:53] <bartist> freedos????!!!!!
[02:53] <bartist> what is that?
[02:53] <codyt> yep
[02:53] <Grumpf> ok so i got no respone - i assume module is loaded now? why is the wlan chip still inactive then?
[02:53] <codyt> an OS I'm unfamliar with.
[02:53] <dwidmann> bartist, sure as ...... ain't linux.
[02:53] <mineur> I know someone who lost his warranty for installing linux on a dell.... but years ago... not sure how their policy is now
[02:54] <codyt> Grumpf,
[02:54] <codyt> lsmod | grep -i module_name
[02:54] <morti1s> $ cat /etc/issue
[02:54] <morti1s> Ubuntu feisty (development branch) \n \l
[02:54] <morti1s> :)
[02:55] <codyt> Ubuntu 6.10 \n \l
[02:55] <codyt> doesn't even say edgy.
[02:55] <dwidmann> edgy eft = development codename ... supposedly they use the number after it hits release time ...
[02:55] <codyt> Grumpf, did you find that it was loaded?
[02:56] <mineur> and on my Toshiba.... warranty has expured already.... but I never had to claim it, I'm a satisfied Toshiba customer :)
[02:56] <codyt> Ah.
[02:56] <Grumpf> codyt, yes, there were some lines
[02:56] <Jucato> lsb_release -a
[02:56] <stdin> dwidmann: no, it's just the name of it
[02:56] <thoreauputic> codyt:  try   lsb_release -a
[02:56] <stdin> or lsb_release -r
[02:56] <stdin> or lsb_release -c
[02:56] <stdin> :)
[02:57] <codyt> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[02:57] <codyt> Description:    Ubuntu 6.10
[02:57] <codyt> Release:        6.10
[02:57] <codyt> Codename:       edgy
[02:57] <codyt> fancy.
[02:57] <thoreauputic> :)
[02:58] <codyt> heh
[02:58] <codyt> didn't know x-chat automatically auto-replaces "teh" with "the"
[02:59] <morti1s> that's good coding
[02:59] <thoreauputic> codyt: you can make it replace any string you like in fact
[02:59] <morti1s> save the language
[02:59] <arbus> bartist: Acer sells notebook without win. you can then install MEPIS (kubuntu derivative) in about 20 mins.
[02:59] <codyt> thoreauputic, noticed.
[02:59] <codyt> (:
[03:00] <codyt> was digging through menus.
[03:00] <thoreauputic> right
[03:00] <ForgeAus> simplyMEPIS
[03:00] <dwidmann> acer sells win-free notebooks? My interest has been sparked
[03:00] <ForgeAus> whats MEPIS got or removed that Kubnutnu hasn't?
[03:00] <codyt> oh really?
[03:00] <ForgeAus> grr kubntu
[03:01] <b111> yo yo Kubuntu people
[03:01] <b111> i'm using kubuntu for the first time
[03:01] <b111> i love it
[03:02] <codyt> that's a good start, b111
[03:02] <b111> thanx codyt
[03:02] <arbus> dwidmann: acer aspire 3682 (intel) aspire 5101 (amd) are both win-free.
[03:02] <codyt> win-free or OS-free?
[03:02] <mineur> I think it's not even legal in Belgium to force a customer to buy a certain OS with a certain pc.... however they'll make it very hard for you to do si... :)
[03:02] <mineur> *so
[03:03] <codyt> pretty specific law.
[03:03] <arbus> codyt: win-free. they load it with linpus (an old linux version).
[03:03] <mineur> no it's in general
[03:03] <codyt> nice.
[03:03] <mineur> it's the law against couple-selling (translated literally lol)
[03:03] <tarden> well how can i change my lang on my keybord?
[03:03] <mineur> as it's illegal to give free cellphones with new mobile contracts
[03:04] <codyt> interesting.
[03:04] <arbus> tarden: use kxkbd
[03:04] <mineur> sometimes.... it forces me to spend more money on a cool phone hehe
[03:04] <tarden> whats that_
[03:05] <arbus> it is a daemon that sits on the systray to change the keyboard layout to whatever you want.
[03:05] <tarden> where can i get it_
[03:06] <dwidmann> I wish such laws existed here mineur
[03:06] <mineur> I wonder how long they'll be able to exist here.... I fear the european commission
[03:07] <tarden> where can i get it?
[03:07] <mineur> you're in the US?
[03:07] <dwidmann> Indeed.
[03:07] <arbus> ALT+F2, "keyboard_layout"
[03:07] <mineur> tarden: sudo apt-get install package-name
[03:07] <mineur> or is it already installed? :d
[03:07] <codyt> should be installed. it's installed on mine.
[03:08] <mineur> system settings, regional stuff there keyboard layout
[03:08] <arbus> btw, there are lots of nice stuff that can be launched from ALT+F2. My fav show off is "memory".
[03:09] <mineur> alt f2 doesn't do a thing :)
[03:09] <mineur> not here anyway :)
[03:09] <mineur> which app does it load?
[03:09] <codyt> meh, it use to on mine.
[03:09] <filthpig> hi
[03:09] <arbus> ALT+F2 is the shortcut key for "Run Command...."
[03:09] <codyt> I changed my shortcuts, though.
[03:10] <dwidmann> I guess I do have worse things to worry about though ... like Digital restrictions management, treacherous computing, and the united state's $9 trillion national debt....
[03:10] <arbus> Try Win+Enter.
[03:10] <filthpig> does anyone in here have a problem using cedega with kubuntu 6.10?
[03:10] <luca_b> codyt: wow, I never knew those commands (though I use ALT-F2 for everything)
[03:10] <mineur> hehe dwidmann, good luck :d
[03:10] <paolo> hi. which is the command to send through rs232 (/dev/ttyS0) a string "mystring" thnks
[03:10] <codyt> I just keep a konsole handy.
[03:11] <codyt> it's already there when I log in.
[03:11] <tarden> mineur E: Couldn't find package package-kxkdb
[03:12] <mineur> tarden: it's already installed.... go to system settings in the kde menu
[03:12] <arbus> paolo: echo mystring >/dev/ttyS0
[03:12] <mineur> there reginal settings
[03:12] <mineur> and keyboard layout
[03:12] <paolo> thnks arbus
[03:12] <n8k99> I have yakuake installed so a terminal is always an f12 away
[03:12] <mineur> there's even a tab to configure the keyboard layout manager
[03:13] <tarden> mineur don't have kde menu
[03:13] <codyt> I just don't close my terminal.
[03:13] <mineur> erm?
[03:13] <mineur> you use kde?
[03:13] <codyt> and it starts up automatically.
[03:13] <codyt> the "K" in the bottom left corner, if you haven't changed certain settings on Kubuntu
[03:13] <arbus> tarden: are you on KDE desktop? If so, select "Run Command..." and type "keyboard_layout" to change the same.
[03:14] <tarden> ok ty
[03:14] <mineur> or fire up systemsettings with the run command
[03:14] <roel_> hello everyone
[03:14] <arbus> tarden: if you are using default KDE, ALT+F1 brings up the menu and ALT+F2 brings up the Run Command prompt.
[03:14] <mineur> hello roel :)
[03:14] <tarden> it worked ty arbus
[03:14] <roel_> What apt-source should i put in my source list to apt-get msttcorefonts???
[03:14] <mineur> which part of our beautiful country are you from? :)
[03:15] <codyt> I always have so little memory free..
[03:15] <codyt> 6MB out of 512
[03:15] <mineur> codyt: if you're used to windows... that's normal
[03:15] <codyt> haha, yeah.
[03:15] <codyt> Although, I have no problems with speed or anything like that.
[03:15] <codyt> even with 6MB free, I can launch games and run them smoothly.
[03:16] <mineur> normal, linux manages memory in a totally different manner
[03:16] <codyt> Yeah.
[03:16] <arbus> n8k99: yakuake is nice. But I still like to show off my quick Run Commands. It not only works for URLs, but also for some great commands. The full list of commands are in /usr/share/applications/kde.
[03:17] <mineur> !yakuake
[03:17] <ubotu> yakuake: Yet Another Kuake, KDE terminal emulator. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.7.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 67 kB, installed size 488 kB
[03:17] <roel_> doesn't anybody uses the msttcorefonts in this chatroom?
[03:17] <arbus> codyt: in linux, there is nothing like "free memory". any memory left over after apps is game for file buffers. Try the "memory" command in ALT+F2 and check for "application data"
[03:17] <mineur> I have them installed yeah, just in case... don't use them lol
[03:18] <codyt> Yeah, that's what I used to see the "6MB free"
[03:18] <roel_> yes but just in case i want to install them where can i get the correct ones for kubuntu edgy
[03:18] <roel_> because an aptitude search can't find them
[03:18] <mineur> !restricted
[03:18] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:18] <arbus> roel:msttcorefonts is in archive.ubuntu.com dapper/multiverse
[03:19] <roel_> k thnx
[03:19] <mineur> hmm I'm looking for the link myself
[03:19] <codyt> Disk Cache 23%, disk buffers 22%, Application data 52%, 10.16MB free.
[03:19] <codyt> 90% free swap.
[03:19] <codyt> 93*
[03:20] <arbus> btw, msttcorefonts doesnt change much. if you do frequent installs, it is faster to tgz /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/
[03:21] <mineur> roel_: you need universe and multiverse in your repositories tho
[03:21] <arbus> codyt: you seem to be doing fine. btw, 52% of 512MB is a large footprint for apps. what apps are you running that takes so much space?
[03:22] <smoze> hello
[03:22] <roel_> mineur are that the universe en multiverse of edgy or dapper?
[03:22] <mineur> of the distribution you  use
[03:22] <roel_> because edgy i already have
[03:23] <roel_> edgy
[03:23] <roel_> but he can 't find the msttcorefonts
[03:23] <arbus> roel: what does "apt-cache policy msttcorefonts" show?
[03:23] <codyt> just konsole (3 tabbed terminals), Noatun, x-chat, firefox, klipper, kmix
[03:23] <codyt> then however many background processes.
[03:23] <roel_> msttcorefonts
[03:23] <roel_> Installed (none)
[03:23] <codyt> I'll check ksysguard.
[03:24] <roel_> Candidate: (none)
[03:24] <roel_> Version: table:
[03:24] <codyt> whoa.. I really need trim some stuff down..
[03:24] <arbus> roel: what about "grep archive.ubuntu.com /etc/apt/sources.list"
[03:24] <luca_b> codyt: usually though, the linux kernel rarely reports memory as "free"
[03:25] <codyt> xorg, firefox-bin, clamd, noatun, kdesktop, artsd, xchat, are the ones usng the most.
[03:25] <roel_> deb http://be.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted
[03:25] <roel_> deb-src http://be.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted
[03:25] <roel_> deb http://be.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-updates main restricted
[03:25] <roel_> deb-src http://be.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-updates main restricted
[03:25] <roel_> deb http://be.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe
[03:25] <roel_> deb-src http://be.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe
[03:25] <roel_> deb http://be.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[03:25] <roel_> deb-src http://be.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[03:26] <roel_> this
[03:26] <codyt> I have noticed that it'll say I have more free memory after running and closing a game.
[03:26] <tarden> tja
[03:27] <roel_> should i use some other? or maybe not the be ones
[03:27] <roel_> ?
[03:27] <arbus> roel: you need to append "multiverse" to the line ending "edgy universe"
[03:27] <luca_b> roel_: you need one more line
[03:27] <arbus> and then run "apt-get update"
[03:27] <roel_> k will try is arbus
[03:28] <smoze> has anyone experienced jamming of install, it just won't even boot
[03:29] <codyt> yep
[03:29] <roel_> thnx arbus i found them now
[03:29] <codyt> 77.72MB free, now.
[03:29] <smoze> how can i solve that?
[03:29] <arbus> codyt: i am running a whole bunch of apps - kde, kontact, kmail, akregator, konqueror, gaim. but my app data is only 64% of 256MB.
[03:29] <codyt> swap didn't change a bit.
[03:30] <codyt> go figure.
[03:30] <it> hey guys i got a problem with SuperKaramba
[03:30] <it> anyone able to help?
[03:30] <codyt> I'm not having any performance issues.
[03:31] <codyt> although, I'm sure it doesn't help that I have a lot of tranlucensy/transparency activated.
[03:32] <codyt> I'm guessing my system is poorly configured, or something.
[03:33] <it> anyone helping today?
[03:33] <roel_> exit
[03:34] <dwidmann> what do you need it?
[03:34] <Pekke> Hello! Can anybody help me with suspending my kubuntu laptop? I downloaded the Kpowersave with adept, but I don't know how to use it...
[03:34] <codyt> I didn't do any post-install configuration, really.
[03:34] <it> i need a little help with superkaramba
[03:35] <arbus> codyt: it is probably some programming hogging. if it is a small memory leak, then you will see your app data or swap usage increasing. i wouldnt bother about it as long as the system works fine.
[03:35] <dwidmann> it: details?
[03:35] <codyt> swap stays at a minimal usage.
[03:35] <bartist> hey guys i ve downloaded a binary to set up google earth
[03:35] <it> it is not showing the themes i downloaded....butshows they are downloaded....but will not let me re download them
[03:35] <bartist> how can i install it?
[03:36] <codyt> binary meaning an installer?
[03:36] <dwidmann> it: odd ... I usually just download them with konqueror ... then in superkaramba I click on open and open the file I downloaded and it opens them. Works-for-me(TM) anyway.
[03:37] <it> i use automatix2 to install stuff like that.....I know it is not recommended here but it works well for me
[03:37] <codyt> one sec..
[03:37] <dwidmann> an example of a binary: jpeg image
[03:37] <codyt> dwidmann, that's why I asked.
[03:37] <dwidmann> I know
[03:38] <bartist> yes but it is a bin
[03:38] <bartist> when i click it, it opens kate
[03:38] <codyt> it, I've experienced this problem myself.
[03:38] <dwidmann> .bin & .run = self extracting installers .. run them in konsole with the command "sh <filename>"
[03:39] <codyt> There's a list (I forget where exactly) that lists certain packages as installed, even if the install failed.
[03:39] <codyt> I had to manually edit the list and remove them.
[03:39] <codyt> this was with Kopete, but it's the same system.
[03:39] <it> I always change the file permissions using chmod 777 the file name
[03:39] <it> then i run ./filename
[03:39] <codyt> mm
[03:39] <dwidmann> it: don't forget to chmod +x too ....
[03:40] <bartist> also, to add universe, i uncomment the two lines
[03:40] <codyt> 777 would include +x
[03:40] <it> what does the +x do?
[03:40] <codyt> just chmod +x instead of 777
[03:40] <bartist> but i could not find the multiverse ones
[03:40] <codyt> x = executable.
[03:40] <it> oh ok
[03:40] <it> well 777 is as much permision as you can get right?
[03:40] <codyt> 777 allows read, write, and execute for everyone.
[03:41] <codyt> 777 make the file free for anyone to read, delete, edit, or execute.
[03:41] <it> well if i am the only one using then it is ok ?
[03:41] <bartist> !repositories
[03:41] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:42] <dwidmann> codyt ... true enough ... I've been up about 24 hours, I must be due for more sugar/caffeine
[03:42] <codyt> it, unless it's possible for others to access your computer
[03:42] <it> ok...but i will start using +x anyway
[03:43] <codyt> I tend to lock things up just in case.
[03:43] <Tonren> Anyone know of a good dark theme?
[03:43] <codyt> root folder is 000
[03:43] <codyt> Tonren, www.kde-look.org
[03:43] <mineur> don't just give any file 777 :) you never know if you'll want to give access to someone else at a later point...
[03:44] <Tonren> codyt: I've been looking there for hours.  I can't seem to find one.
[03:44] <dwidmann> tonren ... I can never get dark themes to work well enough in kde, sadly :( ... can't seem to find a way to change widget border colors (like the borders of pushbuttons, frames, etc)
[03:44] <Tonren> codyt: kde-look and gnome-look have the most horrible interface of any site I've ever seen in history.  Half of the time I can't even figure out how to install what I'm downloading.
[03:44] <bartist> guys should i wait for hd dvd, blue ray before buying a laptop?
[03:44] <Tonren> dwidmann: That sucks.  I've been using a perfect dark theme in Gnome for a year.  I don't think I cna get used to a light one again.
[03:45] <codyt> When my computer was *very* dark, I just changed my color settings
[03:45] <codyt> high contrast, white text.
[03:45] <Tonren> Also, what the heck is "Katapult?"
[03:45] <dwidmann> Well, a dark one can be pulled off, you just can't use black for the window color or the widget borders won't have any contrast with it at all
[03:45] <codyt> Tonren, program launcher.
[03:45] <Tonren> codyt: Oh, neat.
[03:45] <dwidmann> katapult is the best thing ever to happen to kde, ever.
[03:45] <Tonren> codyt: How do I open it up again?
[03:46] <codyt> mine's in K->Utilities
[03:46] <Jucato> !katapult | Tonren
[03:46] <ubotu> Tonren: katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[03:46] <dwidmann> katapult is an application launcher, calculator, file opener, and a variety of other things ... you start typing, and it autocompletes whether it be a program, music file, piece of math, etc
[03:46] <codyt> I never use it myself.
[03:47] <codyt> haha
[03:47] <bartist> google earth is not in the repos anymore?
[03:47] <codyt> I do most things in konsole.
[03:47] <dwidmann> I even use katapult to open konsole for me :)
[03:47] <ubuntu> hello, is there a nice person who can help me installing the grub bootloader?
[03:47] <codyt> konsole doesn't close for me.
[03:48] <dwidmann> fuzzo, I suppose so, how did it get uninstalled though?
[03:48] <codyt> It's there, borderless, exactly where I want it, every time I log into KDE
[03:48] <Tonren> If I switch users, do all of my programs close?
[03:48] <codyt> Tonren, not if you don't log out.
[03:48] <fuzzo> i got a new harddrive and im now trying to copy everything from harddisk a to harddisk b
[03:49] <codyt> and, you can quickly switch back with atl-ctrl-F7, usually.
[03:49] <fuzzo> i used gparted to copy the partitions
[03:49] <codyt> then back to the other with alt-ctrl-F8
[03:49] <Tonren> Ok, uhm... how do I add a new user?
[03:49] <fuzzo> but the bootloader wasnt copied
[03:49] <codyt> Command line or GUI?
[03:50] <Tonren> codyt: I know how to do it via command line, but I figure I ought to get used to KDE's GUI
[03:50] <Tonren> I think I found it though
[03:50] <dwidmann> fuzzo: grub-install /dev/hdb would probably do it for you ... try it
[03:50] <dwidmann> **sudo grub-install /dev/hdb
[03:50] <dwidmann> assuming grub-install is the new primary drive
[03:50] <Tonren> codyt: Wait... where's the "Administrator Mode" button in the KDE Control Module thingie?
[03:50] <dwidmann> **erm assuming /dev/hdb
[03:50] <fuzzo> i tried installing grub following this guide http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/GRUB?highlight=%28bootloader%29
[03:51] <dwidmann> tonren, usually along the bottom
[03:51] <codyt> I just use Settings->System Administration->Use Account Editor
[03:51] <codyt> I think I had to add "settings" to my menu, though.
[03:52] <fuzzo> if i run the command grup-install /dev/sda it says /dev/sda does not have anz corresponding BIOS drive
[03:52] <Tonren> dwidmann: Weird.  It wasn't fully extended to the bottom.
[03:52] <fuzzo> and i have no idea what that means
[03:52] <fuzzo> what shall i do now?
[03:53] <dwidmann> fuzzo, I'm not sure what it means ... is /dev/sda the new device?
[03:53] <fuzzo> yes
[03:54] <fuzzo> i copied all partitions from the old the hd to new hd. so everything is ready expect the bootloader
[03:54] <cecko> Hi guys! dont you know what file permissions are needed for config files (under /home/user/) of kde apps? I moved whole my hme folder with thunar and then with konqueror beck, one of them must have changed the permissions...
[03:54] <fuzzo> except
[03:55] <dwidmann> cecko ... I have the folders in my home dir set to 700 ...
[03:55] <fuzzo> the root partition is at sda3, sda1 is windows 2000 and sd2 is the swap partition
[03:55] <bartist> how can i install the google earth binary file?
[03:56] <drarem> how do you make someone's name highlight in red so you can get their attention in this chat window
[03:56] <dwidmann> fuzzo, check in your bios ... maybe there's something you have to change regarding whether it looks to boot from the sata or pata drive.
[03:56] <cecko> dwidmann: all the files and folders?
[03:56] <sarah_> How do I make something run when I login?
[03:56] <dwidmann> drarem, type their name
[03:56] <drarem> ok i just wont see it
[03:56] <cecko> bartist: check out Medibuntu repo
[03:56] <codyt> hrm.
[03:56] <dwidmann> sarah_ put a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart
[03:56] <drarem> thnx
[03:56] <dwidmann> cecko, yes
[03:57] <sarah_> dwidmann: Isn't there a way to do it in the system menu?
[03:57] <MidMark> hi today I've installed a dual core and after 2 hours of running I got a freeze, never happened before with single core
[03:57] <bartist> cecko i want to install google earth but i dont find it in the repos, so I downloaded it from google.Com
[03:57] <MidMark> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2036/
[03:57] <dwidmann> Not as far as I know sarah_
[03:57] <MidMark> is there a bug report?
[03:57] <sarah_> dwidmann: lame...
[03:57] <dwidmann> Well, sarah_, you could just open up only the things you would want to have open in a new session, then go to k-> save session
[03:58] <sarah_> dwidmann: I don't see that option in my K Menu
[03:58] <dwidmann> odd, it should be there ...
[03:58] <fuzzo> ok, thx
[03:58] <codyt> neither do I.
[03:58] <cecko> dwidmann, thx, don't you know what is the permission command? (kdesu) Konqueror changes always only parts of the folder
[03:59] <cecko> bartist, you have to change its permissions so it will be executable. then just run it from command line or Alt+F2 (include path to it)
[03:59] <codyt> cecko, the command to change permissions?
[03:59] <kai_> whats up people
[04:00] <kai_> whats the address for a cut copy and paste site?
[04:00] <dwidmann> cecko: chmod -R 700 ~
[04:00] <bartist> ok thanx!
[04:00] <dwidmann> !paste
[04:00] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:00] <cecko> dwidmann, thx I'll try that,hopefully Firefox will run again
[04:01] <codyt> Fx<3
[04:01] <codyt> 0 ops, just noticed that..  I like that.
[04:02] <codyt> oh wow
[04:02] <dwidmann> the ops are here codyt, they're just incognito
[04:02] <codyt> Just noticed that acer's notebook index *still* hasn't loaded.
[04:02] <codyt> Ah.
[04:03] <Tm_T> Ops?
[04:03] <codyt> in my previous experiences,  ops usually just idled and ingored everything.
[04:03] <codyt> relying on mIRC scripts to do their work.
[04:03] <Tm_T> mIRC?
[04:03] <codyt> Windows IRC chat program
[04:03] <codyt> the most popular, as far as I know.
[04:04] <Tm_T> codyt: Ah, now I remember, that terrible thing I was glad to forget.
[04:04] <codyt> hahaha
[04:04] <Tm_T> Tried it once, what a trauma.
[04:04] <dwidmann> here, you can use ubotu to wake them up ... he knows all of their names ... ! ops, use only in emergencies
[04:04] <kai_> Thank u ubotu
[04:04] <codyt> ohh
[04:04] <manchicken__> codyt: People don't use mIRC here very often ^_^
[04:04] <codyt> I'm sure.
[04:05] <manchicken__> (w00t for konversation)
[04:05] <codyt> wouldn't make a lot of sense, really.
[04:05] <Tm_T> Irssi <3
[04:05] <codyt> I do still like mIRC's scripting capabilities.
[04:05] <Tonren> Jucato: "Unique" is a common euphemism for "eccentric."  ;)
[04:05] <codyt> games made with picwin
[04:05] <manchicken__> codyt: If you want scripting, run xchat with Perl or Python.
[04:05] <codyt> am.
[04:05] <Jucato> Tonren: I use "unique" as a euphemism for "weird" or "crazy"
[04:06] <Tonren> Jucato: Synonyms, my friend.
[04:06] <codyt> haven't gone as far as to  learn perl, python, or tcl
[04:06] <Tm_T> Btw hi kids.
[04:06] <stdin> konversation can script, irssi can script, xchat can script ....
[04:06] <manchicken> Perl and Python have better scripting support than mIRC could dream of.
[04:06] <Jucato> Konvi can do some scripts too... just not event-driven scripts
[04:06] <Tonren> How do I change the silly End Session picture?
[04:06] <codyt> Yeah.
[04:06] <arbus> fuzzo: after you copy over all the files, you need to do chroot to the new root volume and then run grub-install. Otherwise you will have to explicitly specify the grub menu.list file. Check the man page for grub-install for details.
[04:06] <dwidmann> /usr/share/doc/diveintopython/html/toc/index.html @ codyt
[04:06] <Tonren> Also, what's the story with all these different terminal sessions?
[04:07] <codyt> Though, if you were also a coder, you could fully extend it with DLLs.
[04:07] <manchicken> Perl and Python are both insanely simple scripting languages to learn.
[04:07] <codyt> Yeah, I've just never put an effort towards it
[04:07] <Jucato> konvi also does bash scripts... let's see mirc do that!
[04:07] <codyt> I've seen the syntax, didn't look too complex.
[04:07] <manchicken> codyt: If you wanted to pay for the MS compiler or fight with one that's free.
[04:07] <codyt> manchicken, GCC is available on windows.
[04:08] <Jucato> Tonren: http://www.kde-artists.org/logout
[04:08] <dwidmann> I wouldn't say perl is insanely simple, but python definitely is
[04:08] <manchicken> codyt: Try compiling a DLL on windows in GCC.
[04:08] <Tm_T> Jucato: My friends irssi did tell us if he had comments in one website or when he last time opened his fridge etc etc.
[04:08] <manchicken> dwidmann: I would say you're wrong.
[04:08] <codyt> Yeah, been there.
[04:08] <wilman> i want to install tuxguitar but it needs java 1.5, i have installed the package sun-java5-jre, when i want to install tguitar it says i need java runtime
[04:08] <dwidmann> I'd only say it's simple ... not insanely so :)
[04:08] <codyt> mIRC scripts are very straight forward.  It's just based on events and aliases.
[04:09] <Tonren> Wow. KDE is lightyears ahead of Gnome in the "visual layout" category
[04:09] <manchicken> dwidmann: Both of them are incredibly simple to learn.
[04:09] <dwidmann> I know
[04:09] <Pupeno> What do I have to install to get Amarok to use gstreamer ?
[04:09] <manchicken> Both have some quirks.
[04:09] <dwidmann> ruby is too really
[04:10] <manchicken> Ruby's neat.
[04:10] <Tm_T> Pupeno: You can't.
[04:10] <Tonren> dwidmann: Ruby is delightful.  I use it for everything now.
[04:10] <codyt> Once you've learned the first on TEXT event, and how to return information with an  alias, you know mIRC scripting.
[04:10] <codyt> The rest is just referencing commands.
[04:10] <TheGateKeeper> Pupeno, go into configuaration & change the engine
[04:10] <manchicken> codyt: Check out Perl's xchat interface.  It's just as simple.
[04:10] <Tm_T> TheGateKeeper: Well, IIRC there's no gstreamer engine been there since last year.
[04:10] <Tonren> codyt: I'm sure that mIRC provides simplicity in exchange for versatility.  With Perl, Python and Ruby, you literally have hooks into everything - system sockets, the internet, other processes on your computer, the command line.
[04:11] <Pupeno> TheGateKeeper: it's not listed in engines.
[04:11] <manchicken> Though nobody should run IRC in windows.  Security risk ^_^
[04:11] <codyt> Sounds like fun.
[04:11] <codyt> haha
[04:11] <paolo> Hi. how can I see the parameters of /dev/ttyS0 ? (speed, parity etc.)
[04:11] <dwidmann> hahaha manchicken ... I got a few viruses and trojans that way back in the day
[04:12] <codyt> Windows + internet + IE = lack of security.
[04:12] <TheGateKeeper> Tm_T, think I had it working once upon a time, but at the moment I use xine
[04:12] <manchicken> dwidmann: The solution to that problem is just to install kubuntu ^_^
[04:12] <Pekke> is there any program that i can use my webcam to take snapshots/ video chat like in msn messenger?
[04:12] <manchicken> kubuntu... my anti-Windows.
[04:12] <Tm_T> TheGateKeeper: Yup, gst engine was dropped almost a year ago by lack of maintainer.
[04:12] <codyt> IE could have been left out of that equation, but it is a giant hole for just about everything to get in.
[04:12] <TheGateKeeper> Pupeno, well the gstreamer stuff needs to be installed first before it will show up
[04:13] <Tm_T> Pupeno: Can't you use Xine?
[04:13] <codyt> before I discovered Fx, I'd catch IE allowing programs to install things on my computer without my permission.
[04:13] <TheGateKeeper> Pupeno, what's wrong with the xine engine?
[04:13] <DeadFishMan> Pekke: use aMSN
[04:14] <dwidmann> I hear the xine engine is poorly documented, that's the only thing I've really heard about it on that front though
[04:14] <Tm_T> Pekke: Kopete can do msn video.
[04:14] <DeadFishMan> Pekke: Now, if you just want to take snapshots, use either camstream or camorama
[04:14] <Pupeno> TheGateKeeper: I know, but I can't find it. There's no amarok-gstreamer package anymore.
[04:14] <dwidmann> Looking at the code of a multimedia engine would probably make my head spin though, so I just won't.
[04:14] <Tm_T> Pupeno: 17:12 < Tm_T> TheGateKeeper: Yup, gst engine was dropped almost a year ago by lack of maintainer.
[04:14] <manchicken> Pupeno: I'm not sure there ever was an amarok-gstreamer.  Amarok uses libxine.
[04:14] <TheGateKeeper> Pupeno, from what Tm_T says you are out of luck
[04:15] <Tm_T> Pupeno: There's none unless you do it yourself.
[04:15] <Pupeno> Tm_T: I need to play weird formats, like alaw, ulaw and gsm (stuff normally used it telephony) and gstreamer seems te be able to do it.
[04:15] <codyt> I'm sure x-chat isn't as exploitable as mIRC..  "mIRC viruses" could be spread by tricking someone into typing a /write $decode() with the proper data.
[04:15] <Tm_T> Pupeno: Well, Xine or Helix.
[04:15] <Pupeno> Tm_T: weird, I've asked in #amarok and they said gst was suported.
[04:15] <tony__> how do you install an rpm file
[04:15] <manchicken> codyt: Has less to do with the client, more to do with the OS behind it.
[04:15] <Tm_T> Pupeno: When?
[04:15] <manchicken> codyt: That's why you never IRC as root.
[04:15] <Pupeno> Tm_T: yesterday.
[04:16] <Tm_T> Pupeno: Hmm, let me check...
[04:16] <codyt> manchicken, this was based on the client itself.
[04:16] <dope> is there some sort of console command to get temperature readings?
[04:16] <codyt> Though, the script's entire purpose was to spread itself
[04:16] <Tm_T> Pupeno: Come there, we'll find out what's the truth.
[04:16] <codyt> nothing more.
[04:16] <manchicken> Because on windows, everybody has free reign.
[04:16] <DeadFishMan> tony__: Do you want to install an rpm file on Kubuntu?
[04:16] <n8k99> I remember amarok in kubuntu used to have the gstreamer engin as an option
[04:16] <codyt> That is true.
[04:16] <codyt> ick
[04:16] <Tm_T> n8k99: There was.
[04:16] <tony__> ubuntu 6.06
[04:16] <Jucato> n8k99: there *was*
[04:16] <Pupeno> Tm_T: I am there.
[04:16] <TheGateKeeper> Tm_T, I thought there was stuff in the dapper repos, don't know about edgy
[04:16] <Tm_T> Pupeno: Oh, yes you are. ;)
[04:17] <codyt> the $decode contained an encoded script, that when decoded would also load itself into mIRC, then just send more prvmsgs giving the instructions to  install it.
[04:17] <DeadFishMan> tony__: You can use alien to convert that package to a .deb and then install it but most likely you will hit on a few dependencies missing.
[04:17] <tony__> okay thanks
[04:17] <DeadFishMan> tony__: Better look for a Debian version of the same package on the repositories
[04:17] <tony__> is there a good start up guide for ubuntu
[04:17] <tony__> ok
[04:17] <DeadFishMan> tony__: http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:18] <tony__> i'll look now
[04:18] <tony__> thanks
[04:18] <DeadFishMan> tony__: yw
[04:18] <TheGateKeeper> tony__, http://za1012001.googlepages.com/%28k%29ubuntunotes
[04:18] <Alarm> hello. i have a winfast tv card on my system. till now kubuntu was recognising it without a problem. after installing nvidia drivers all i get with lspci is . 02:0c.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05). Also when trying to run kdetv it tells me kdetv: WARNING: [VBIDecoder::restart()]  no permission to access device. I noticed also that on /dev there is no video0 as it was before. what could i
[04:18] <Alarm> do ?
[04:19] <codyt> mIRC scripting has just enough power to be dangerouse.  -> "//echo $findfile(C:\, *,*, 0, /remove $1-)"  <- searchs through the file system, deleting any file that isn't opened.
[04:19] <hyper_ch> !uuid
[04:19] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in the terminal: "blkid" (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[04:19] <DeadFishMan> Alarm: You most likely will have to find out if the module for the TV card is still loaded. Use lsmod for that
[04:20] <DeadFishMan> If it is not, then you can load it manually using modprobe and if it works, update /etc/modules to load it during boot
[04:20] <codyt> while, you'd probably still be able to boot up again after the "attack," you'd lose a lot of important files.
[04:20] <Alarm> DeadFishMan,  what would be like named the module ?
[04:20] <Alarm> cause there is a huge list
[04:21] <Alarm> video                  17540  0 , i dont know if its that
[04:21] <Alarm> i see also: cx88xx                 63908
[04:21] <Alarm> also v4l2
[04:21] <Alarm> and other that write cx88
[04:21] <Alarm> videodev               10752  1 cx88
[04:21] <DeadFishMan> Alarm: No idea. I have a BT878-based TV card (old Pinnacle DC10) and its module is called bttv
[04:22] <wilman> !tuxguitar
[04:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tuxguitar - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:22] <wilman> i want to install tuxguitar but it says i have to install sun java runtime 1.5, i have that
[04:23] <DeadFishMan> Alarm: v4l2 is just the name for the newer Video 4 Linux 2 interface to hook up TV card and certain webcams
[04:23] <codyt> tuxguitar..
[04:23] <codyt> I couldn't get it to work.
[04:23] <codyt> I forget why.
[04:23] <Alarm> thank you for ur help, but somehow i still dont know what should be my next step or what to search on the web
[04:24] <codyt> nvm, that was kguitar.
[04:25] <codyt> hi bartist
[04:25] <fuzzo> dwidmann: i ran the grub installation with the recheck switch
[04:26] <DeadFishMan> Alarm: I found this: http://www.threebit.net/mail-archive/video4linux/msg00939.html
[04:26] <fuzzo> dwidmann: it now says /dev/hda3: Not found or not a block device.
[04:26] <Alarm> lets see
[04:26] <DeadFishMan> Alarm: It is not Ubuntu/Kubuntu specific, but it is generic enough so that you can follow and should have the modules needed loaded
[04:26] <fuzzo> dwidmann: how do i tell grub-install that the new harddisk is sda and not hda?
[04:27] <fuzzo> dwidmann: i tried to edit /etc/fstab but this didn't change anything
[04:27] <Alarm> well in my /dev i dont see either anymore video0 as i did before
[04:27] <frank_> hi all
[04:27] <DeadFishMan> Alarm: Do not worry about that. Once you load the module, udev will take care of creating the appropriate /dev entries for you automagically
[04:28] <Alarm> do i need to restart ?
[04:28] <DeadFishMan> Alarm: No
[04:28] <DeadFishMan> Alarm: Thiis not Windows :)
[04:28] <codyt> amen!
[04:28] <Alarm> options cx88xx card=27 tuner=59 . the numbers change for me ? also "option" is also included ?
[04:29] <[StingRay] > stdin, I just received the last (I hope so) piece of the puzzle. It sounds like this: "wine explorer.exe /desktop=NAME,WIDTHxHEIGHT application.exe"
[04:29] <mineur> Uptime: 4 days, 23 hours and 59 minutes
[04:29] <DeadFishMan> Alarm: No need to do that... Not for now. These are options that you can include on /etc/modules later, and you will need to check out the options that your tv card supports
[04:29] <Alarm> btw. nor /etc/modules.conf or /etc/modprobe.conf exist
[04:30] <DeadFishMan> Alarm: K/Ubuntu calls it just /etc/modules
[04:30] <DeadFishMan> Alarm:  not worry about the other one
[04:31] <Alarm> DeadFishMan,  i am reading the webpage u gave me, but i dont see something that could help or something that tells me what to do dude
[04:31] <DeadFishMan> Alarm: Just try modprobe cx88xx and then run lsmod to see if a bunch of additional modules were loaded
[04:32] <Alarm> DeadFishMan,  well lsmod showed me before also some cx88xx that i pasted here before
[04:32] <Alarm> ir_common              28548  1 cx88xx, i2c_algo_bit           10376  1 cx88xx, video_buf              27652  1 cx88xx, tveeprom               16144  1 cx88xx
[04:32] <fuzzo> at all: i got a new harddrive. the old one was IDE, the new one is SATA. i copied all partitions from the old hd to the new hd with gparted. in /etc/fstab i changed everything from hda to sda. now when i run "grub-install /dev/sda" to install the bootloader it says "/dev/hda3: Not found or not a block device." ... seems that grub still gets a from device information from anywhere...what did i forgot?
[04:32] <DeadFishMan> Alarm: I see... So you already have the module loaded, then.
[04:32] <Alarm> videodev               10752  1 cx88x
[04:33] <dwidmann> fuzzo: I'm not sure :\ perhaps ask in the ubuntuforums?
[04:33] <Alarm> and... i2c_core               23424  5 i2c_ec,cx88xx,i2c_algo_bit,tveeprom,nvidia
[04:33] <Alarm> i guess so, its loaeded
[04:34] <DeadFishMan> Alarm: And after running modprobe manually, did you check if the devices nodes were created in /dev? /dev/video or /dev/video0?
[04:34] <Alarm> yes, nothing created
[04:34] <Alarm> as i said, that happened after installing nvidia drivers
[04:34] <fuzzo> dwidmann: okay, thx
[04:34] <DeadFishMan> Alarm: Then I have no idea what it could be.
[04:35] <Alarm> :)
[04:35] <Alarm> okie
[04:35] <fuzzo> maybe anyone else had this problem before?
[04:35] <DeadFishMan> Alarm: Since you stated that this happened after installing the nvidia drivers, you could try to revert temporarily to the OSS nv driver and see what happens
[04:35] <bartist> hello guys
[04:35] <kkosmo> list
[04:35] <Alarm> okie, i will see what i can do
[04:36] <trappist> I've installed a version of a package I built myself from a previous distro, because of bugs in the newer version.  apt-get always wants to upgrade to the current version.  anybody know how I can exempt this package from updates?
[04:36] <bartist> when you type lsmod, how many snd_* do you have?
[04:36] <DeadFishMan> bartist: Lots :)
[04:36] <blue|palm> !hidden
[04:36] <ubotu> Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[04:36] <bartist> i only have 3
[04:36] <kkosmo> somone know what command in bash to show messege on screen
[04:36] <kkosmo> ?
[04:36] <DeadFishMan> bartist: ALSA loads lots of modules in my case. Do not know why :)
[04:36] <kkosmo> but in popup
[04:36] <kkosmo> like
[04:37] <soulrider> trappist: tru "sudo aptitude hold <package>"
[04:37] <kkosmo> exec startkde
[04:37] <kkosmo> >
[04:37] <kkosmo> ?
[04:37] <trappist> soulrider: awesome, thanks
[04:37] <soulrider> kkosmo: echo? =/
[04:37] <DeadFishMan> kkosmo: You want a sort of message box on the GUI?
[04:37] <kkosmo> no
[04:37] <soulrider> no prob trappist
[04:37] <trappist> kkosmo: try osd_cat
[04:37] <kkosmo> yes
[04:37] <bartist> snd_intel8x0 snd-ac97_codec and snd_ac97_bus
[04:37] <bartist> and my sound is not working
[04:37] <DeadFishMan> kkosmo: You can use kdialog, for starters
[04:39] <kkosmo> dead
[04:39] <kkosmo> how
[04:39] <kkosmo> ?
[04:39] <kkosmo> oo ok
[04:39] <kkosmo> thanks
[04:39] <trappist> or xmessage
[04:39] <DeadFishMan> kkosmo: Open Konsole and type this: kdialog --msgbox "Text :P"
[04:40] <DeadFishMan> trappist: Xmessage is soooo 80s XD
[04:40] <trappist> DeadFishMan: haha
[04:41] <arbus> paolo: see stty(1) command
[04:42] <kkosmo> somone can help me how i can change only the konsole language to english not all the system language only kconsole?
[04:44] <DeadFishMan> kkosmo: Try to export LANG and LANGUAGE environment variables to either C or en_US on your profile scripts
[04:45] <kkosmo> but i want only the kconsole
[04:45] <kkosmo> i can do that if yes how
[04:45] <kkosmo> ?
[04:45] <DeadFishMan> kkosmo: You can change both ~/.bashrc and ~/.bash_profile and only the shell (console) will use those languages
[04:46] <DeadFishMan> kkosmo: KDE and other window managers should not be affected by that (unless they read those env vars, of course)
[04:46] <arbus> Alarm: your video driver is cx88xx. search for this and kubuntu. there seems to be some problem with winfast/cx chipsets and nvidia driver. another person was reporting issues. so you could google for cx88 winfast and nvidia
[04:46] <K-Ryan> Hey guys
[04:47] <DeadFishMan> Gotta get something to eat. See you later, guys!
[04:47] <K-Ryan> Bye DeadFishMan
[04:48] <K-Ryan> When I try to enable my DVD player it says "Return code from mount was 32. "mount failure"
[04:48] <K-Ryan> Any idea where I should start with that?
[04:49] <kkosmo> DeadFishMan:
[04:49] <kkosmo> in two of this files now have somthing about the language
[04:49] <arbus> fuzzo: grub-install picks its defaults from /boot/grub/grub.conf or /boot/grub/menu.lst. your existing /boot/grub/menu.lst file will refer to /dev/hda and not /dev/sda. read the grub-install man page on how to override these settings. Try "#grub-install" in konqueror
[04:49] <K-Ryan> DeadFishMan went to get something to eat.
[04:51] <just-this-time> any mame experience here ? like in http://www.mame.net ~ http://x.mame.net ?
[04:52] <kkosmo> !language
[04:52] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:52] <K-Ryan> Hey I wonder....
[04:52] <K-Ryan> !42
[04:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 42 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:52] <K-Ryan> oops
[04:52] <K-Ryan> !32
[04:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 32 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:52] <K-Ryan> Oh well, worth a shot =(
[04:52] <just-this-time> any mame experience here ? like in http://www.mame.net ~ http://x.mame.net ? please read
[04:54] <Murchadh> K-Ryan, Could you try and mount that partition on a different mount point?
[04:54] <K-Ryan> Don't know I just tried to enable it through system settings>disks and drives
[04:54] <K-Ryan> disk & filesystem*
[04:55] <K-Ryan> I'm having trouble with it anyway, it won't open -.-
[04:56] <hyper_ch> hiho, who has feisty herd2 installed?
[04:56] <n8k99> hyper_ch: I do
[04:57] <aa> are there any kubuntu artwork proposals made yet?
[04:57] <Murchadh> K-Ryan, Try at a shell, sudo mkdir /media/dvd; sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/hd? /media/dvd
[04:57] <hyper_ch> n8k99: I have problems with grub there... it can't find the correct partitions anymore
[04:57] <just-this-time> any mame experience here ? like in http://www.mame.net ~ http://x.mame.net ? please read
[04:57] <Murchadh> K-Ryan, Replace the ? with b,c or d! WHatever it is...
[04:58] <n8k99> hyper_ch:did you do a fresh install or an upgrade
[04:58] <just-this-time> !alternate | hyper_ch
[04:58] <ubotu> hyper_ch: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[04:58] <mineur> !mame
[04:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mame - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:58] <just-this-time> mineur !@
[04:58] <just-this-time> any mame experience here ? like in http://www.mame.net ~ http://x.mame.net ? please read
[04:58] <hyper_ch> n8k99: upgrade with herd 1 --> same result... after rebooting grub fails to selec tthe proprer partition
[04:58] <kkosmo> somone can help me how i can change only the kconsole language not all the system only the kconsole?
[04:58] <n8k99> Hyper_ch also you'll get better support in #ubuntu+1 for feisty
[04:58] <hyper_ch> n8k99: then I did an isntall with the alternate cd --> install was also fine except after reboot problems with the partition
[04:59] <manchicken> just-this-time: Please stop repeating yourself.  If nobody answered, it might be that nobody knows the answer to your CD.
[04:59] <fernando__> ola
[04:59] <just-this-time> konsole you mean kkosmo
[04:59] <hyper_ch> n8k99: ok, I'll look there
[04:59] <fernando__> hello
[04:59] <kkosmo> yes
[04:59] <kkosmo> i wrong
[04:59] <kkosmo> sorry
[04:59] <manchicken> Err, question.
[04:59] <just-this-time> manchicken: tyvm what is CD ?
[04:59] <manchicken> (where did I get CD from?)
[04:59] <K-Ryan> "cannot create 'media/dvd;" File exists"
[04:59] <fernando__> alguien habla espaol?
[04:59] <kkosmo> how can i do that you know
[04:59] <kkosmo> ?
[04:59] <mineur> fernando__: si
[04:59] <manchicken> !es | fernando__
[04:59] <ubotu> fernando__: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[04:59] <mineur> !es
[04:59] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[05:00] <K-Ryan> It's mounted, just not enabled
[05:00] <dromer> anyone: I want to move my /home to another partition, how can I best do this?
[05:00] <just-this-time> manchicken: tyvm what is CD ?
[05:00] <manchicken> mineur: I win ;)
[05:00] <kkosmo> !konsole
[05:00] <ubotu> konsole: X terminal emulator for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 710 kB, installed size 2192 kB
[05:00] <mineur> yeah but I do speak spanish too lol
[05:00] <fernando__> gracias
[05:00] <manchicken> just-this-time: STOP repeating yourself.  If you were paying attention you would have noticed that I typod saying "CD" when I meant question.
[05:00] <mineur> de nada :)
[05:00] <manchicken> fernando__: De nada.
[05:00] <mineur> I win :p
[05:00] <manchicken> mineur: You beat me there.
[05:00] <mineur> lol
[05:01] <K-Ryan> hablo espanol igual
[05:01] <just-this-time> manchicken you dont CapsLOCK me
[05:01] <Murchadh> K-Ryan, Type mount at a shell and see if /dev/hd? is listed, and where it's mounted. It may be that only root has access to it at the moment!
[05:02] <K-Ryan> Murchadh I don't see my normal cd rom drive either o.O
[05:02] <K-Ryan> But they both show up in storage
[05:02] <K-Ryan> and when trying to enable the dvd drive i was root
[05:03] <Murchadh> K-Ryan, Can you paste-bin /etc/fstab?
[05:03] <slow-motion> hallo
[05:03] <K-Ryan> !pastebin
[05:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:04] <K-Ryan> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2048/
[05:04] <mefisto_> I need help!!!!!!!
[05:04] <Murchadh> K-Ryan, Nice one, I'll have a look! brb
[05:04] <K-Ryan> mefisto_ that doesn't tell s what your problem is.
[05:05] <mefisto_> somebody can help me with kubuntu?
[05:05] <K-Ryan> This is the Kubuntu channel isn't it?
[05:05] <mefisto_> yeah...
[05:05] <K-Ryan> Start by telling us your problem. =P
[05:05] <mefisto_> I'm gonna try to relax a little more =p
[05:05] <mefisto_> alright, I have two problems right now, I just installed kubuntu a few hours ago and Adept is screwed up by now!
[05:06] <K-Ryan> Did it crash?
[05:06] <mefisto_> whenever I'm executing adept, it shows the following message:
[05:06] <K-Ryan> !adeptfix | mefisto_
[05:06] <ubotu> mefisto_: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[05:06] <K-Ryan> Try that
[05:06] <mefisto_> The APT database could not be opened!
[05:06] <mefisto_> alrightt, I'm gonna try it
[05:08] <RadiantFire> does anyone here know how to enable tv-out with the intel i810 driver?
[05:08] <mineur> if you know, tell me :d
[05:09] <mefisto_> K-Ryan : I think nothing happened...
[05:09] <K-Ryan> Did you try opening adept?
[05:09] <mefisto_> yup, it shows the same message...
[05:09] <K-Ryan> Hrmm then it didn't crash on you did it?
[05:09] <K-Ryan> No matter
[05:10] <K-Ryan> Have you tried a log out log in?
[05:10] <mefisto_> no, I closed it after a few installs and then I couldn't open it anymore; and I already restarted the pc
[05:10] <K-Ryan> That's strange...
[05:11] <mefisto_> well... there's another issue, can you help me?
[05:11] <K-Ryan> I can try
[05:11] <mefisto_> thank you!
[05:11] <K-Ryan> Mind you most other people are more helpful than me.
[05:11] <Murchadh> K-Ryan, You could try the last line like this /dev/hdd /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0. But there is only mention of one optical drive there, is that right?
[05:11] <K-Ryan> I've only been on Kubuntu for a few days so I only know how to fix what I've encountered
[05:12] <mefisto_> well, whenever I drag mp3 files to Amarok, they don't play!
[05:12] <K-Ryan> You don't have the codecs =P
[05:12] <mefisto_> they're just on the playlist but nothing happens
[05:12] <mefisto_> duh
[05:12] <K-Ryan> Hold on a second with that
[05:12] <mefisto_> what do I need?
[05:12] <manchicken> mefisto_: Install libxine
[05:12] <K-Ryan> manchicken isn't it called something-extracodecs
[05:12] <K-Ryan> ?
[05:12] <manchicken> !mp3
[05:12] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:12] <mefisto_> manchicken, where do I get that without adept T___T
[05:13] <manchicken> mefisto_: I like adept, but apt-get will work, too.
[05:13] <K-Ryan> Murchadh What I pasted is what I have.
[05:13] <manchicken> What's wrong with adept?
[05:13] <K-Ryan> It won't open for him.
[05:13] <Jucato> manchicken is biased with Adept :P
[05:13] <manchicken> Why not?
[05:13] <mefisto_> I think I can learn how to use apt-get while I don't have adept
[05:13] <Murchadh> K-Ryan, Have you a cd and a dvd drive or just one, /dev/hdd?
[05:13] <K-Ryan> It tells him "The APT database could not be opened!"
[05:13] <Jucato> mefisto_: why won't it open?
[05:13] <Jucato> mefisto_: did you try the commands given by the bot?
[05:14] <mefisto_> adept crashes! it says it has some issues with the database
[05:14] <manchicken> mefisto_: Are you running it with kdesu?
[05:14] <K-Ryan> Murchadh it's two seperate drives.
[05:14] <mefisto_> jucato: adept doesn't opens cause of the database, it says
[05:14] <K-Ryan> manchicken he is new he probably doesn't know what kdesu is
[05:14] <Jucato> mefisto_: did you try the commands?
[05:14] <Jucato> !adeptcrashfix | mefisto_
[05:14] <ubotu> mefisto_: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[05:14] <K-Ryan> He did
[05:14] <K-Ryan> I gave it to him already
[05:14] <Jucato> mefisto_: those commands ^^^^^
[05:14] <mefisto_> how can I use kdesu?
[05:14] <Jucato> K-Ryan: I know... I'm asking is whether he did the commands...
[05:15] <K-Ryan> He did =P
[05:15] <mefisto_> jucato: where do i write !adeptcrashfix ???
[05:15] <mefisto_> in the konsole?
[05:15] <K-Ryan> -.-
[05:15] <K-Ryan> Yes
[05:15] <Jucato> K-Ryan: see
[05:15] <Jucato> mefisto_: no...
[05:15] <K-Ryan> Not !adeptcrashfix
[05:15] <K-Ryan> This
[05:15] <mefisto_> -__-
[05:15] <mefisto_> what?
[05:15] <Jucato> mefisto_: read the instructins...
[05:15] <Murchadh> K-Ryan, OK, add this line to the end of your /etc/fstab - /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0. Put a data cd in both and try to access them.
[05:15] <K-Ryan> !adeptfix | mefist_
[05:15] <ubotu> mefist_: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[05:15] <K-Ryan> Murchadh that's the thing, the drive won't open.
[05:16] <Murchadh> K-Ryan, sudo umount /dev/hdd
[05:16] <K-Ryan> Oops, forgot the o in your name mefisto_ =/
[05:16] <Murchadh> K-Ryan, sudo eject /dev/hdd
[05:16] <mefisto_> ubotu: I already tried that... and it doesn't works O_o
[05:16] <K-Ryan> Murchadh it's like that in Windows too
[05:17] <K-Ryan> i typed in sudo eject /dev/hdd
[05:17] <Jucato> mefisto_: how doesn't it work?
[05:17] <K-Ryan> Nothing is happening
[05:17] <Jucato> mefisto_: first enter this command: sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[05:17] <mefisto_> the command line you gave me, already  tried it
[05:17] <mefisto_> alright
[05:17] <Jucato> mefisto_: then this: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[05:17] <Pekke> Hi again! Does anybody know what is the problem when Kopete gives me only a blue screen when i try my webcam? i can not choose anything from the webcam settings menu in kopete.
[05:18] <K-Ryan> I swear my damn DVD drive is locked in
[05:18] <K-Ryan> I've tried prying it open >.>
[05:18] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Use the paperclip hole.
[05:18] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Is it mounted?!
[05:18] <K-Ryan> There is no paperclip hole =(
[05:18] <K-Ryan> manchicken when my computer was off =P
[05:18] <Tm_T> Pekke: Sounds like there's no drivers for cam, can you replug camera and say "dmesg | tail" in konsole?
[05:18] <manchicken> You could also try 'sudo eject'
[05:19] <mefisto_> jucato: alright, I already did all you said
[05:19] <mefisto_> now, lemme try to open adept
[05:19] <Tm_T> Pekke: If it returns something about camera and drivers etc, just look how it goes.
[05:19] <K-Ryan> Hold on
[05:19] <K-Ryan> It definitly sounded like it wanted to come out.
[05:19] <mefisto_> same crap... The APT Database could not be opened! This may be....
[05:19] <Murchadh> K-Ryan, It's all a little odd. Try booting and then pressing eject before the machine actually boots.
[05:20] <K-Ryan> my cd drive opened -.-
[05:20] <manchicken> mefisto_: What command are you typing to start adept?
[05:20] <K-Ryan> manchicken I think he is clicking it
[05:20] <mefisto_> not command, I'm trying to execute it from KDE
[05:20] <mefisto_> yeah, clicking
[05:20] <manchicken> mefisto_: Try this command: `kdesu -c adept_manager`
[05:21] <K-Ryan> Well Murchadh I now know how to eject my cd tray from Konsole
[05:21] <K-Ryan> But the DVD still won't pop out
[05:21] <K-Ryan> I should get one of those ones where the cd slides in and out
[05:21] <K-Ryan> No tray
[05:21] <Murchadh> K-Ryan, sudo eject /dev/hdc
[05:21] <mefisto_> it says it couldn't find any command named adept_manager O_O
[05:21] <K-Ryan> mefisto_ did you do sudo adept_manager
[05:21] <K-Ryan> or was it kdesu...
[05:22] <K-Ryan> I can't remember...
[05:22] <Pekke> Kosole gives me the followin when i type dmesg tail: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 5
[05:22] <manchicken> K-Ryan: You can specify a device to eject.
[05:22] <Pekke> USB OV518 video device found
[05:22] <K-Ryan> Murchadh when I type that it just skips to the next line
[05:22] <manchicken> K-Ryan: `sudo eject /dev/whatever`
[05:22] <mefisto_> yes K-ryan, I did sudo adept_manager
[05:22] <Pekke> Device revision 17
[05:22] <Pekke> Compression required with OV518...enabling
[05:22] <manchicken> K-Ryan: kdesu.
[05:23] <manchicken> Don't use sudo.
[05:23] <mefisto_> it says 'command not found'
[05:23] <Murchadh> K-Ryan, Try sudo umount /dev/hdc first and then sudo eject /dev/hdc
[05:23] <Pekke> Sensor is an OV6620
[05:23] <Pekke> Device at usb-0000:00:07.2-2.1 registered to minor 0
[05:23] <manchicken> Sudo for X proggies can cause permissions issues in X files.
[05:23] <K-Ryan> not mounted
[05:23] <K-Ryan> Oh yeah, I never put that line in my fstab
[05:23] <K-Ryan> because there is UUID=################
[05:23] <K-Ryan> What am I supposed to do for that/
[05:23] <mefisto_> I used: kdesu adept_manager and it says: cannot connect to X server
[05:23] <K-Ryan> Or is that just for drives?
[05:24] <Murchadh> !uuid
[05:24] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in the terminal: "blkid" (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[05:24] <manchicken> mefisto_: Try `xhost +` and then try the other command again.
[05:24] <mefisto_> now it says: unable to open display
[05:25] <mefisto_> dude, this is a littler though for a noob like me XD
[05:25] <manchicken> `echo $DISPLAY`
[05:25] <manchicken> mefisto_: Do `echo $DISPLAY`
[05:25] <K-Ryan> Murchadh I'm not sure I know what to do with this
[05:25] <mefisto_> already did it
[05:25] <manchicken> What did it tell you?
[05:26] <mefisto_> nothing, it just passes to the other line of command in the konsole
[05:26] <manchicken> Okay, are you running xgl?
[05:26] <mefisto_> and then I use kdesu again and it says unable to opel display
[05:26] <mefisto_> no, I'm using KDE 3.5.2
[05:26] <manchicken> type `export DISPLAY=':0.0'` and then try running the kdesu -c adept_manager thing again
[05:27] <mefisto_> but after a few updates my adept went crazy and it doesn't open now xD
[05:28] <mefisto_> well, the root@ bla blabla disappeared, it's only the command line now O_o
[05:28] <manchicken> What USER are you in as?
[05:28] <mefisto_> but, still, nothing happens with kdesu
[05:29] <manchicken> What does `whoami` give you?
[05:29] <K-Ryan> mefisto_ it should say username@computer name
[05:29] <Murchadh> K-Ryan, Just a quick howto on mounting. Mount point must exist (/media/cdrom), device must exist (/dev/hdc) and what type the partition is (ext3, ntfs, vfat, etc.). So to mount your DVD, I think the command at a prompt is - sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /media/dvd. See what it says....
[05:29] <K-Ryan> Murchadh I'm not sure what it's telling me to do
[05:30] <Murchadh> K-Ryan, When you know it works, then we'll adapt it for inclusion in /etc/fstab!
[05:30] <manchicken> mefisto_: kdesu will pop up a password window before executing adept.
[05:30] <Murchadh> K-Ryan, sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /media/dvd - what does it repoprt?
[05:31] <mefisto_> check this please http://www.flickr.com/photos/17562250@N00/361654042/
[05:31] <manchicken> heh
[05:31] <manchicken> When I say `something`, only use the stuff between the `s
[05:31] <manchicken> Don't actually type the `s
[05:32] <manchicken> Hit Ctrl-D to get out of the > prompt
[05:32] <mefisto_> alright, I'm outta the prompt
[05:32] <mefisto_> now?
[05:32] <manchicken> Are you currently logged into KDE as root?
[05:32] <mefisto_> no, I'm gonna log as a root
[05:32] <mefisto_> brb
[05:32] <manchicken> No
[05:32] <manchicken> Don't
[05:32] <mefisto_> alright, don't
[05:32] <manchicken> Why are you into the shell as root?
[05:33] <mefisto_> i don't know, it was just like that
[05:33] <manchicken> type `whoami` and tell me what it says?
[05:33] <mefisto_> mefisto mefisto@mefisto-laptop
[05:34] <mefisto_> manchicken, it says: mefisto mefisto@mefisto-laptop
[05:34] <manchicken> Okay.
[05:34] <K-Ryan> Sorry, phone call
[05:34] <K-Ryan> back now
[05:34] <manchicken> Now, `echo $DISPLAY`
[05:34] <manchicken> What does that say?
[05:35] <K-Ryan> Murchadh I typed that sudo mount line
[05:35] <mefisto_> it says :0.0
[05:35] <K-Ryan> "mount: No medium found"
[05:35] <manchicken> mefisto_: Good.
[05:35] <manchicken> mefisto_: Now type `kdesu -c adept_manager`
[05:35] <mefisto_> alright
[05:36] <Murchadh> K-Ryan, Anything in that drive /dev/hdc?
[05:36] <manchicken> It should give you a window asking for a password before starting adept.
[05:36] <mefisto_> it asked for my password
[05:36] <mefisto_> yup
[05:36] <K-Ryan> i dont remember making anything it
[05:36] <K-Ryan> i have hda hdb and hdd for cd
[05:36] <manchicken> mefisto_: Give it your password and hit enter
[05:36] <K-Ryan> hda and hdb are HDDs
[05:36] <manchicken> Your USER password, not your root password.
[05:37] <K-Ryan> root pass isn't the same as user pass?
[05:37] <K-Ryan> mine is...
[05:37] <manchicken> If you set it to the same, it is.
[05:37] <K-Ryan> I never set a root pass though
[05:38] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Your sudo password is your user password, but if you said `su - root` I suspect it might be different.
[05:38] <Murchadh> K-Ryan, .....and you have a cd-rom AND a dvd-drive. Is this correct?
[05:38] <K-Ryan> Yes Murchadh
[05:38] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Most of what you're doing is with sudo, not with actual root password.
[05:38] <K-Ryan> But the DVD drive won't open
[05:38] <manchicken> !sudo
[05:38] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:38] <manchicken> That's the feller.
[05:38] <mefisto_> manchicken...
[05:39] <mefisto_> check this please http://www.flickr.com/photos/17562250@N00/361660503/
[05:39] <K-Ryan> Yeah don't worry about me, help mefisto_
[05:39] <mefisto_> it says command not found
[05:39] <waylandbill> i wouldn't set a root password.. no point if you just so a "sudo -s" you get the same thing
[05:39] <aa> is there any good website connected to kubuntu?
[05:39] <mefisto_> and after I write my password, it says it couldn't find the command adept_manager
[05:39] <K-Ryan> mefisto_ you know there is a spanish help channe
[05:39] <K-Ryan> *channel
[05:39] <manchicken> mefisto_: What does that error message translate to?
[05:40] <manchicken> Ah.
[05:40] <manchicken> Type `which adept_manager`
[05:40] <Murchadh> K-Ryan, I am assuming that /dev/hdc is your dvd-drive and /dev/hdd is your cd-rom drive! You'll need to get a data cd in both just to get them to mount.
[05:40] <manchicken> Does that give you anythying?
[05:40] <K-Ryan> Murchadh "It won't open"
[05:40] <mefisto_> it gives me nothing
[05:41] <maria> hola
[05:41] <manchicken> mefisto_: Try this `sudo apt-get install adept-manager`
[05:42] <Murchadh> K-Ryan, And you don't think there is anything in it. Try sudo eject /dev/hdc and if that doesn't open it, I'm not sure what the problem is!
[05:42] <K-Ryan> It didn't open
[05:42] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Will it open while booting?
[05:42] <K-Ryan> Won't open, period
[05:43] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Laptop or desktop?
[05:43] <mefisto_> manchicken: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=361663956&size=o
[05:43] <K-Ryan> desktop
[05:44] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Sounds like it's time to crack open the box.
[05:44] <K-Ryan> I did
[05:44] <manchicken> mefisto_: No hablo espanol ^_^, could you translate?
[05:44] <K-Ryan> I tried moving it a little and that didnt do anything
[05:44] <K-Ryan> I unplugged and replugged the wires
[05:44] <K-Ryan> and because of the damn rivets in this case i cant take it out
[05:44] <manchicken> See if there are any manual override holes.
[05:45] <K-Ryan> its like it's caged in
[05:45] <mefisto_> sure I can (maybe I should change the language to english, can i do it?)
[05:45] <manchicken> Just drill the rivets ^_^
[05:45] <manchicken> mefisto_: It'd be simple enough if you just translate.
[05:45] <K-Ryan> but then the case isnt stable
[05:45] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Stability is overrated ;)
[05:45] <K-Ryan> i dont want my dvd drive to fall onto my cd drive which would then fall on my motherboard
[05:45] <K-Ryan> = need new computer
[05:45] <mefisto_> manchicken: it says Type 'http:bla bla bla getswiftfox' is unknown in the line 1 of in the list of sources E: it was impossible to read the list of sources
[05:46] <mefisto_> I think it's about the repositories
[05:46] <mefisto_> I screwed some line, maybe?
[05:46] <manchicken> mefisto_: Can you paste your sources.list?
[05:46] <manchicken> !paste
[05:46] <mefisto_> with that swift fox thing...
[05:46] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:46] <manchicken> mefisto_: Go to that site and paste the contents of your sources.list file
[05:47] <mefisto_> right...
[05:47] <darkstar> Hi..
[05:49] <mefisto_> !paste
[05:49] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:49] <mefisto_> wth
[05:49] <mefisto_> deb http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted
[05:49] <mefisto_> deb http://mx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted
[05:49] <mefisto_> deb-src http://mx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted
[05:49] <mefisto_> ## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the
[05:49] <mefisto_> ## distribution.
[05:49] <manchicken> mefisto_: not here
[05:49] <mefisto_> deb http://mx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted
[05:49] <manchicken> mefisto_: In the paste URL
[05:49] <mefisto_> deb-src http://mx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted
[05:49] <mefisto_> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[05:49] <manchicken> !paste | mefisto_
[05:49] <mefisto_> ## repository.
[05:49] <ubotu> mefisto_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:50] <mefisto_> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[05:50] <mefisto_> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[05:50] <mefisto_> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[05:50] <mefisto_> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[05:50] <mefisto_> ## team.
[05:50] <manchicken> mefisto_: DO NOT PASTE HERE PLEASE.
[05:50] <mefisto_> # deb http://mx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe
[05:50] <mefisto_> # deb-src http://mx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe
[05:50] <mefisto_> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'backports'
[05:50] <mefisto_> ## repository.
[05:50] <mefisto_> ## N.B. software from this repository may not have been tested as
[05:50] <mefisto_> ## extensively as that contained in the main release, although it includes
[05:50] <sampan> i just set up SKIM to work on edgy.  upon reboot, i get an error msg "could not start ksmserver" and it stops and puts me back at login screen
[05:50] <manchicken> Nobody listens....
[05:50] <mefisto_> ## newer versions of some applications which may provide useful features.
[05:50] <manchicken> They just paste.
[05:50] <mefisto_> ## Also, please note that software in backports WILL NOT receive any review
[05:50] <mefisto_> ## or updates from the Ubuntu security team.
[05:50] <mefisto_> # deb http://mx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[05:51] <mefisto_> # deb-src http://mx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[05:51] <mefisto_> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted
[05:51] <mefisto_> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted
[05:51] <mefisto_> # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security universe
[05:51] <mefisto_> # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security universe
[05:51] <mefisto_> duh, sorry
[05:51] <mefisto_> brb manchicken
[05:51] <mefisto_> alright, got it, sorry aboout that -__-
[05:51] <mefisto_> brb
[05:51] <sampan> i just set up SKIM to work on edgy.  upon reboot, i get an error msg "could not start ksmserver" and it stops and puts me back at login screen.  any ideas?
[05:51] <manchicken> Even if it didn't spam the channel, it's hard to read a text fie via IRC ^_^
[05:52] <Flying_Eagle> sampan, how did you make skim work? did you change permissions or stuff like that?
[05:52] <anouk> heej
[05:52] <anouk> privatu
[05:52] <sampan> Flying_Eagle, nope, i followed the directions on the community page
[05:53] <anouk> are you englihe
[05:53] <Flying_Eagle> sampan, give a link
[05:54] <sampan> Flying_Eagle: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SCIM/Kubuntu  (sorry had to find it again)
[05:54] <anouk> holanders
[05:55] <sampan> Flying_Eagle, seems someone else has this problem too, but no solution posted: http://www.nabble.com/Problem-with-skim-in-Kubuntu-6.10-Edgy-t2870711s16577.html
[05:55] <K-Ryan> !languages
[05:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about languages - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:56] <Xera|> ok, stupid moment now..
[05:56] <Flying_Eagle> sampan, the only thing i see which could cause problems would be "cp /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/scim-pinyin ~/.xinput.d/default"
[05:56] <Xera|> i managed to hide the nickname list in konversation with some key, how do i bring it back?
[05:56] <Flying_Eagle> so id suggest you to read the file and watch out for bugs
[05:57] <Flying_Eagle> Xera|, just look it up in the shortcut-setting-dialog
[05:57] <Xera|> _._
[05:57] <Xera|> k
[05:57] <mefisto_> manchicken
[05:57] <Xera|> found it
[05:57] <Xera|> :P
[05:58] <mefisto_> manchicken?
[05:58] <sampan> Flying_Eagle, yeah i had to actually create the directory and file for it to even cp -- i'll poke around it
[05:59] <manchicken> yeah?
[05:59] <xst> After upgrading to edgy the "noauto" option in /etc/fstab is no longer respected; even mount points with "noauto" are being mounted automatically upon boot. How can I fix this?
[05:59] <HymnToLife> xst, please !pastebin your fstab
[06:00] <mefisto_> I got this manchicken
[06:00] <mefisto_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2061/
[06:00] <mefisto_> I think the problem is within the first line!!!
[06:00] <mefisto_> I added that line by mistake ~____~
[06:00] <HymnToLife> mefisto_, yep, just delete it
[06:00] <Jucato> mefisto_: definitely
[06:00] <manchicken> mefisto_: Yeah, kill that line or comment it out.
[06:00] <mefisto_> how can I delete it? It says I cannot 'cause I'm a root
[06:01] <xst> HymnToLife: http://rafb.net/p/cQoN2736.html
[06:01] <mefisto_> I'm not a root
[06:01] <HymnToLife> !root | mefisto_
[06:01] <ubotu> mefisto_: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:01] <Jucato> mefisto_: right-click on the file, select Actions -> Edit as root.  (if you're in Konqueror)
[06:01] <manchicken> mefisto_: `sudo EDITOR /etc/apt/sources.list`
[06:01] <HymnToLife> xst, the _whole_ file please
[06:02] <Jucato> manchicken: is the EDITOR env var set by default?
[06:02] <mefisto_> I didi it now... I'm gonna try to open adept T__T
[06:02] <manchicken> Dunno.
[06:02] <xst> HymnToLife: Here U go: http://rafb.net/p/Umz8X557.html
[06:02] <Jucato> manchicken: afaik, it isn't...
[06:02] <manchicken> I put that in more as a human search and replace token ;)
[06:02] <manchicken> Thus, no dollar sign.
[06:03] <Jucato> manchicken: very confusing, since you're giving a real command, it seems :)
[06:03] <mefisto_> HOLY MOTHER OF GOD
[06:03] <DeadFishMan> lol
[06:03] <Jucato> ...
[06:03] <mefisto_> thank you guys... step after step I found the problem!!!!!
[06:03] <manchicken> Jucato: Have I ever, at any point in time, indicated that I made sense?
[06:03] <mefisto_> love ya T.T
[06:03] <Jucato> manchicken: lots of times :)
[06:03] <manchicken> mefisto_: Congrats.  Enjoy.
[06:04] <Jucato> mefisto_: feel free to send a check to manchicken...
[06:04] <mefisto_> how's that?
[06:04] <manchicken> Jucato: If you mistook me as the kind of person who makes sense, I suppose that's your mistake, not mine ;)
[06:04] <mefisto_> no T-T
[06:04] <mefisto_> a check, money T-T
[06:04] <mefisto_> I installed kubuntu 'cuz I'm poor T-T
[06:04] <Jucato> manchicken: I guess... any person who wants to work on Adept, by definition, doesn't make sense :P
[06:04] <mefisto_> windoze is too expensive j/k
[06:05] <DeadFishMan> manchicken: You were suggesting him to use the text editor defined on $EDITOR to edit sources.list? :)
[06:05] <mace__> i tried to add new repositories. My problem is where to get the GPG key.. i added this but i wonder if thats right -> "wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg"
[06:05] <DeadFishMan> manchicken: You are so mean! That could be anything, inclusing emacs and vi. XD
[06:05] <manchicken> DeadFishMan: No, I was putting EDITOR in to mean "your favorite editor here"
[06:05] <DeadFishMan> manchicken: Even nano is not what most people would expect to see there... :)
[06:06] <DeadFishMan> manchicken: Oh!
[06:06] <Jucato> manchicken: told you it was confusing
[06:06] <manchicken> DeadFishMan: And I still think the kubuntu default should have emacs as the default editor ;)
[06:06] <DeadFishMan> manchicken: Then it is OK :)
[06:06] <sampan> Flying_Eagle, i guess it was the perms on that copied file ... changed them to 666 (from 644) and now it works fine :)  thanks
[06:06] <manchicken> emacs++
[06:06] <DeadFishMan> manchicken: ROTFL
[06:06] <manchicken> "When manchicken hacks, him like haxxoring in GNU Emacs.  Get your freedom here!"
[06:06] <DeadFishMan> manchicken
[06:07] <mefisto_> now, what's the procedure to install the xlib for mp3 playback?
[06:07] <DeadFishMan> manchicken: VI rulez! XD
[06:07] <manchicken> DeadFishMan: Editor of the beast: vi vi vi
[06:07] <Jucato> mefisto_: install "libxine-extracodecs"
[06:07] <HymnToLife> DeadFishMan, yep, its vi though
[06:07] <DeadFishMan> HymnToLife: I stand corrected. Thanks! :)
[06:07] <Flying_Eagle> sampan, so what did i say at the beginning, huh? ;)
[06:07] <DeadFishMan> manchicken: lol
[06:08] <sampan> flying_eagle  ;)  well i wouldn't have checked that file except you pointed it out and then google searches on that error msg turned up problems with other kde things that related to perms -- w00t
[06:09] <Taime1> adept asks me to insert my cdrom , so i do, then it just keeps telling me to do so as if i havent inserted the disc, what gives?
[06:09] <mace__> i tried to add new repositories. My problem is where to get the GPG key.. i added this but i wonder if thats right -> kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[06:09] <jpiccolo> i am having a problem with a ntfs partion, windows and linux can both access it but linux cant see what windows wrote to it and linux cant see what windows wrote
[06:10] <raeez> !adeptfix
[06:10] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[06:10] <Taime1> raeez, that isnt the problem
[06:10] <Jucato> mace__:  wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[06:10] <Jucato> mace__: then: sudo apt-key add kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[06:10] <Jucato> (should be in the same directory)
[06:11] <raeez> Taime1: what do you mean?
[06:11] <Taime1> i think #ubuntu got me
[06:11] <mace__> Jucato: mh if i add any new repo.. do i always have to add this key again o0 ?
[06:11] <Taime1> i guess adept doesnt need to use my cd, so i will disable that in my repos
[06:11] <Murchadh> Taime1, apt-cdrom --help
[06:11] <Jucato> Taime1: in Adept, go to View -> Manage Repositories, then right-click -> Disable the cdrom line
[06:11] <Taime1> right...
[06:11] <Jucato> mace__: no. only once for the kubuntu.org repository
[06:11] <Taime1> they just helped me in #ubuntu
[06:11] <Taime1> but thanks anyways
[06:12] <raeez> lol sorry Taime1 i was getting that for me
[06:12] <Taime1> oh, haha
[06:12] <raeez> Taime1: I just entered the chatroom :)
[06:12] <Taime1> i see
[06:12] <Taime1> hehe
[06:12] <raeez> hehe
[06:12] <mace__> Jucato: is this here included? deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-latest dapper main
[06:13] <Jucato> mace__: yes. anything from kubuntu.org repositories is signed with Riddell's key.
[06:14] <mace__> Jucato: ah okay.. but what does it mean if there is a "(packages, GPG key: DD4D5088)" behind it?
[06:14] <Jucato> mace__: that I don't know... it's just a comment anyway (I guess you got it from source-o-matic)
[06:15] <mace__> Jucato: no, from here: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/sources.list
[06:16] <Taime1> so if i am installing an nvidia driver for my nForce card, all i need to do is install the restriced modules package, then install the nvidia-glx package?
[06:18] <raeez> where is a good place to get a list of nice repositories :)
[06:18] <manchicken> raeez: Be careful which repos you trust.
[06:19] <Jucato> if ever you find one. don't ever trust a repo that comes from a guy named manchicken...
[06:19] <raeez> ok
[06:19] <raeez> lol
[06:19] <Taime1> raeez, whats wrong with the default repos?
[06:20] <raeez> im just experimenting thats all, i didnt even know about the commercial one untill recently
[06:20] <DeadFishMan> raeez: You can try http://www.apt-get.org but be careful. It is intended mainly for Debian and it may break Ubuntu
[06:20] <raeez> in newish to linux
[06:20] <Jucato> raeez: just fyi... when main restricted universe and multiverse are all enabled, there are 20,000+ packages available
[06:20] <manchicken> If I had repos, it'd only have GNU Emacs.
[06:20] <manchicken> ^_^
[06:20] <raeez> woah
[06:20] <DeadFishMan> lol
[06:20] <raeez> there are only about 2000 open for me
[06:20] <mefisto_> manchicken
[06:21] <manchicken> mefisto_
[06:21] <DeadFishMan> raeez: 2000 open what? Applications?
[06:21] <mefisto_> I'm installing the codecs via konsole right now... would you recommend me to update my KDE to the latest version?
[06:21] <manchicken> Not me.
[06:21] <Taime1> latest stable version
[06:21] <Jucato> raeez: not good to experiment by mixing repositories, specially for newbies :)
[06:21] <manchicken> It might be good, but I wouldn't say it's necessary.
[06:21] <Taime1> i agree with jucato
[06:21] <Jucato> mefisto_: are you on Dapper or Edgy?
[06:21] <mefisto_> Dapper
[06:21] <manchicken> I know people who're still running KDE 3.5.2 without any trouble.
[06:21] <Taime1> i had that same problem when i began using mepis
[06:22] <raeez> 2000 available apps
[06:22] <raeez> so i should just stick to the ones in sources.list
[06:22] <raeez> uncomment the commented out ones?
[06:22] <Jucato> raeez: it just means that you don't have much of the repositories enabled
[06:23] <Jucato> if you're on Edgy, that means that multiverse and the backports are still commented/disabled
[06:23] <raeez> yeah i just enabled them
[06:23] <DeadFishMan> raeez: That is only the small subset that Ubuntu supports officialy. You can see more software available if you enle Ubuntu universe repositories
[06:23] <raeez> is there any place i can learn about how linux works? the internal workings :) ive been stuck with windows too long and i dont want to stay a newbie for much longer :)
[06:24] <mefisto_> HELLA YEAHJ!!!!
[06:24] <mefisto_> I can listen to my mp3 now ;____;
[06:25] <mefisto_> every little victory makes me love this thing more and more T.T
[06:25] <jpiccolo> what? bash: man: command not found
[06:26] <jpiccolo> whats going on there ^
[06:26] <Jucato> jpiccolo: what command were you trying?
[06:26] <jpiccolo> man users
[06:26] <Jucato> hm..
[06:26] <mace__> is it working with konqueror?
[06:26] <mace__> man:/users
[06:26] <jpiccolo> yep
[06:27] <mace__> so you got an alternative :)
[06:28] <raeez> is anybody here experienced with ati cards on kubuntu?
[06:28] <manchicken> raeez: I have an ATI.
[06:28] <jpiccolo> mace__: but why wont it work in the terminal
[06:28] <raeez> I have a x1900XTX and it works fine for everything except for fullscreen video which is choppy, I have the latest driver from the ati site installed
[06:29] <manchicken> raeez: (I'm infected with ATI)
[06:29] <raeez> manchiken: can you assist then? does your video work fine?
[06:29] <manchicken> raeez: Don't use the ATI drivers.  Use the xorg drivers.
[06:29] <mace__> jpiccolo: have you tried to restart the terminal?
[06:29] <norbert> anyone ever experience this with a thinkpad: when running on battery, the fan is on high (with the annoying famous tp hum) even though the laptop is mainly idle. But, when all I do is plug in the AC, the fan quiets down to a inaudible level. I tried switching the kpowersave mode manually to "performance" while on battery - but that didn't fix it
[06:29] <manchicken> Video is smooth and sweet, but not with the ATI drivers.
[06:29] <jpiccolo> mace__: i just opened it
[06:30] <mace__> hm
[06:30] <manchicken> raeez: I found that ATI drivers destablize a working system.
[06:30] <raeez> thats what i found!!!
[06:30] <norbert> it's just wierd that the thinkpad runs quiet with the AC cord plugged in, but loud on battery - what could be changing when the AC cord gets plugged in?
[06:30] <manchicken> raeez: So uninstall all the flgrx drivers and just use the xorg drivers.
[06:31] <manchicken> raeez: 3D accel won't work, but everything else will work nicely.
[06:31] <Legolas_Faol> hello
[06:31] <raeez> will video work? thats all i want... i have a resolution of 1940x1200
[06:31] <Legolas_Faol> can you suggest me a grafic ftp client to upload sites?
[06:31] <raeez> Jucato do you have another way?
[06:32] <raeez> sorry my resolution of my monitor is 1920x1200
[06:32] <Dr_willis> Legolas_Faol,  i tend to use mc - but i am hardcore. there other clients out also.
[06:32] <DeadFishMan> Legolas_Faol: Konqueror :)
[06:32] <Jucato> raeez: sorry, I'm not an ATI guy...
[06:32] <Dr_willis> !find ftp
[06:32] <ubotu> Found: ftp, gftp-common, gftp-gtk, lftp, tftp-hpa (and 77 others)
[06:32] <manchicken> Jucato: If you bought an ATI or an nVidia, you did waste your money.
[06:32] <manchicken> ^_^
[06:32] <Legolas_Faol> konqueror???
[06:32] <Jucato> Legolas_Faol: Konqueror, kftpgrabber
[06:32] <Dr_willis> !find kftp
[06:32] <ubotu> Found: kftpgrabber, lurkftp
[06:32] <raeez> jucato why do you say that?
[06:32] <Dr_willis> Legolas_Faol,  i do belive konwueror has that feature as well.  - then theres the various FUSE tools/utilities
[06:32] <Jucato> raeez: because I use nvidia... that's why
[06:32] <Dr_willis> depends on how ya wantt to do the ftp stuff
[06:33] <DeadFishMan> Legolas_Faol: Yep... Try entering an ftp:// URL on the address field :)
[06:33] <Legolas_Faol> :p
[06:33] <raeez> jucato: at the time ati were winning so i went with them, i didnt know about the lacklustre linux support tho :(
[06:33] <Dr_willis> fish:// lets ya do ssh transfers
[06:33] <Jucato> heh :)
[06:33] <Dr_willis> smb:// is for samba... lets see what else is there.
[06:33] <manchicken> Jucato: nvidia drivers are just as bad as ATI.
[06:33] <Jucato> Dr_willis: don't forget sftp://
[06:33] <Dr_willis> is there a porn:// ?
[06:34] <Jucato> manchicken: not for desktops :)
[06:34] <raeez> jucato: mostly i do VR programming in windows tho so i need this gfx card
[06:34] <DeadFishMan> I became fond of Konqueror as FTP client lately: split the window in two, where the left hand panel show the local filesystem and the right hand panel shows the remote filesystem, then drag and drop files between them.
[06:34] <Dr_willis> how does sftp:// differ from fish:// ?
[06:34] <manchicken> Jucato: Just because you don't use the ACPI subsystem, doesn't mean it's not broken.
[06:34] <Jucato> manchicken: it just means I don't see that it's broken, therefore I don't know :)
[06:34] <raeez> jucato: where do i find the xorg drivers?
[06:34] <manchicken> Jucato: And that makes it okay?
[06:34] <Jucato> manchicken: just because you don't need 3D accel doesn't mean everybody doesn't :)
[06:34] <Legolas_Faol> up to now I've done it with the konsole
[06:34] <manchicken> raeez: The xorg drivers are in the kubuntu repos.
[06:35] <raeez> manchiken are they called xorg?
[06:35] <manchicken> Jucato: The people who do can just deal with the instabilities, or use a card that works with drivers that don't kill stability.
[06:35] <DeadFishMan> Legolas_Faol, if you are not scared of using the console every once in a while, I would like to recommend ncftp
[06:35] <Jucato> I think he meant the xserver-xorg-ati driver or something
[06:35] <manchicken> raeez: What Jucato said.
[06:35] <DeadFishMan> Legolas_Faol: Now that is a GOOD ftp client! :)
[06:35] <raeez> lol ok
[06:36] <Jucato> manchicken: then there are those who need the 3D accel, and can deal with the philosophical/ideological/ethical/moral issues
[06:36] <raeez> thanks
[06:36] <Legolas_Faol> yes, but not so usefull
[06:36] <Dr_willis> ideological :)
[06:36] <Legolas_Faol> heheeh
[06:36] <DeadFishMan> Jucato: even though I have the non-free 3D drivers installed, I do not use them that much
[06:37] <DeadFishMan> Jucato: Except for the occasional game every once in a while, the performance of the OSS nv driver is rather acceptable to me.
[06:37] <raeez> manchicken It says that i have it already in adept manager
[06:37] <Jucato> !xconfig | raeez
[06:37] <ubotu> raeez: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". To configure only the driver and resolution, type: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh".
[06:37] <manchicken> Jucato: And I feel sorry for those people.
[06:38] <Jucato> manchicken: same way they probably feel sorry for you :)
[06:38] <DeadFishMan> Jucato: As long as I can watch a fullscreen DivX or DVD movie smoothly and without flickering, I am a happy camper... :)
[06:38] <Jucato> it's a multicolored world.. nothing is black and white :)
[06:38] <Legolas_Faol> and as php Editor? Kate?
[06:38] <raeez> DeadFishMan: same here
[06:38] <manchicken> raeez: Chances are you just need to remove the proprietary drivers and reconfigure X.
[06:38] <raeez> manchicken: so how do i uninstall?
[06:38] <Jucato> Legolas_Faol: Kate, Quanta (I think)
[06:38] <manchicken> Jucato: I disagree.
[06:38] <Jucato> raeez: did you install fglrx (or something)
[06:38] <manchicken> raeez: Look at ATI's site for that.
[06:39] <Gio`> Hello tout le monde :)
[06:39] <raeez> jucato: i installed fglrx from ATI's site
[06:39] <Jucato> manchicken: you can disagree all you want... it doesn't change my opinion :)
[06:39] <DeadFishMan> Legolas_Faol: Yes, Kate is fine. But you may want to take a look into Quanta.
[06:39] <Jucato> !fr | Gio`
[06:39] <ubotu> Gio`: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:39] <manchicken> Jucato: That's okay.  You can be wrong if you like ^_^
[06:39] <Gio`> oups !
[06:39] <Legolas_Faol> last but not least: best IRC client? (sorry but I'm a newbie)
[06:39] <Gio`> ^^
[06:39] <Jucato> manchicken: I can. you can also be wrong, for all we know. :P
[06:39] <DeadFishMan> Legolas_Faol: BitchX rules!!!!!!
[06:40] <raeez> its just an opinion
[06:40] <DeadFishMan> Legolas_Faol: But you may want to take a look into X-Chat and Konversation :)
[06:40] <Jucato> Legolas_Faol: "best" is very subjective and would get you very different answers :)
[06:40] <Legolas_Faol> jucato, of course
[06:40] <Jucato> Legolas_Faol: best way to find out is to try what works for you. Konversation is installed by default
[06:40] <manchicken> Jucato: I'd love ATI and nVidia if they'd give us the freedom to make the drivers work.  When the new nvidia free software drivers come out, I'll be all over that.
[06:40] <raeez> manchicken: do I HAVE to uninstall the ati driver?
[06:40] <manchicken> Legolas_Faol: konversation.
[06:40] <manchicken> raeez: It's your computer, your decision man.
[06:41] <Jucato> raeez: did you try the commands the bot gave?
[06:41] <Legolas_Faol> jucato, I've allready tried konv. and x-chat
[06:41] <manchicken> raeez: I ain't your daddy.
[06:41] <manchicken> raeez: But the ATI drivers will cause problems.
[06:41] <manchicken> I haven't met a single person yet who didn't have problems with ATI drives.
[06:41] <raeez> manchiken: lol i know, ur trying to help, but is there not a way to test the xorg drivers without having to uninstall? thats what im asking
[06:41] <manchicken> drivers*
[06:41] <soulrider> i guess im lucky to have an Nvidia card
[06:42] <Jucato> manchicken: I have nothing against that. I actually agree that wee need free drivers.. the problem is that most people need drivers that *really* work with what they have (3D accel) *now*, not in a year's time..
[06:42] <manchicken> You could rmmod flgrx or whatever they're called, and then update your x config.
[06:42] <raeez> jucato: i must have missed them... do you mean dpkg-reconfigure?
[06:42] <manchicken> soulrider: Nobody is lucky to be enslaved.
[06:42] <Jucato> raeez: yes
[06:42] <DeadFishMan> raeez: I do not know about ATIs hardware, but with nVidia, I just need to replace the nvidia driver with nv on xorg.conf
[06:42] <soulrider> manchicken: right....
[06:42] <DeadFishMan> raeez: No need to remove the proprietary drivers just for a test
[06:42] <raeez> ok, il try reconfiguring x then
[06:42] <manchicken> Jucato: If we can agree that proprietary drivers are WRONG, but that some people still need the functionality, I'm okay with that ^_^
[06:42] <Jucato> why did I let myself be dragged into this conversation :P
[06:42] <soulrider> lol Jucato
[06:43] <manchicken> Jucato: Because you--like me--have a big mouth ^_^
[06:43] <raeez> lol
[06:43] <Jucato> manchicken: I never said that proprietary drivers are right
[06:43] <manchicken> heh
[06:43] <manchicken> Jucato: Then we're in agreement.
[06:43] <soulrider> i really dont care if the drivers i use for my card are propietary, i still dont get the difference...
[06:43] <soulrider> why propietary is "bad"
[06:43] <manchicken> Jucato: I installed the nvidia drivers for my wife the other day.
[06:43] <DeadFishMan> raeez: But if the non-free driver has some sort of module loaded or hooks in to the kernel, then removing it temporarily may be needed
[06:43] <manchicken> soulrider: Because it restricts your freedom, and in many cases, invades your privacy.
[06:43] <Jucato> soulrider: because you give up your freedom
[06:43] <raeez> DeadFishMan: thanks, thats what i wanted to know
[06:43] <Jucato> soulrider: because they can control you
[06:43] <soulrider> how do i give up my freedom ?
[06:44] <Jucato> the freedom to use, study, modify, and distribute software
[06:44] <manchicken> soulrider: Because you can't share the proprietary software, study the software, distribute the software, or use the software in any way that the distributor doesn't like.
[06:44] <Jucato> the basic tennets of the Free Software Movement
[06:44] <soulrider> i understand
[06:44] <soulrider> well
[06:44] <soulrider> i there any 3d hardware
[06:45] <raeez> Oh is that why you are so chuffed
[06:45] <soulrider> that has GPL drivers ?
[06:45] <ConstyXIV> soulrider: no good ones
[06:45] <raeez> jucato: cant we write custom 'homebrewed' drivers
[06:45] <raeez> or is that illegal or something
[06:45] <Jucato> raeez: the nouveau project is doing just that
[06:45] <soulrider> thats the thing, i want my 3d accel...
[06:45] <mefisto_> thanks for everything guys
[06:45] <Jucato> reverse-engineering Nvidia drivers
[06:45] <mefisto_> I'm out for a while...
[06:45] <ConstyXIV> raeez: the issue is skill, not legality
[06:45] <soulrider> bye mefisto_
[06:45] <Jucato> soulrider: and that's the problem really
[06:45] <DeadFishMan> soulrider: Old nVidia and ATI cards have 3D OSS drivers, but they are not up to the snuff these days
[06:45] <mefisto_> thanks manchicken, Ryan and all the guys who helped me T_T
[06:45] <ConstyXIV> we don't really know how they work
[06:46] <raeez> jucato: cool, thats awesome... but what about ATI :(
[06:46] <mefisto_> bye
[06:46] <DeadFishMan> Actually, only ATI up to R300, iirc
[06:46] <Jucato> raeez: dunno... :P
[06:46] <lkm`> hi, all. I have some problem with X fonts.  After i do apt-get install --reinstall xbase-fonts all kde fonts became squares
[06:46] <Jucato> fwiw, Intel has open sourced their drivers... but their video cards are all IGP...
[06:46] <raeez> maybe i should just invest in an nvidia just for kubuntu
[06:46] <manchicken> raeez: It is illegal in many countries to write your own ATI drivers or DVD players.
[06:46] <raeez> i do have a free pci express slot :)
[06:46] <Jucato> raeez: not really... you can stick with what you have if you get it to work
[06:46] <Jucato> nouveau in nowhere near ready at all
[06:47] <ConstyXIV> manchicken: where in the nine hells did you get that idea?
[06:47] <raeez> Id love to get it to work, but ive been experimenting for a while now
[06:47] <manchicken> ConstyXIV: Any country that recognizes software patents has that problem.
[06:47] <manchicken> ConstyXIV: Including the US, UK, Canada, Mexico, and several others.
[06:47] <ConstyXIV> i don't think there's any issue rev-enging video cards
[06:48] <manchicken> (I believe most of Western Europe is on that list)
[06:48] <ConstyXIV> and CSS is what gets in the way of DVDs (dmca)
[06:48] <Jucato> let's just hope that nouveau doesn't experience what reactosdid...
[06:48] <DeadFishMan> ConstyXIV: Only clean room reverse engineering is considered legal, and even that is debatable in those countries
[06:48] <ConstyXIV> as long as they do clean-room rev-enging...
[06:48] <manchicken> ConstyXIV: If interfacing with that device is included in the patent, then any piece of software that would give you full functionality on the device would be in violation of the patent.
[06:48] <raeez> Why will ati not invest more interest in linux, do they have a reason?
[06:49] <ConstyXIV> raeez: they dont care
[06:49] <raeez> ok thats just plain terrible
[06:49] <ConstyXIV> the amd buyout MAY, MAY change things
[06:49] <raeez> I hope so
[06:49] <raeez> What stand does amd take on free software?
[06:49] <ConstyXIV> and they themselves have patent issues
[06:49] <manchicken> ConstyXIV: In the US, EU (with some exceptions), CA, and MX, even clean-room rev-eng is illegal.
[06:49] <Jucato> so far it hasn't...
[06:49] <ConstyXIV> i dunno
[06:49] <soulrider> if nvidia open sourced their drivers theyd probably get a lot more customers
[06:49] <ConstyXIV> manchicken: then how did compaq do it?
[06:49] <manchicken> soulrider: I agree.
[06:49] <soulrider> whast clean-room ?
[06:50] <manchicken> ConstyXIV: How did compaq do what?
[06:50] <raeez> but i thought nvidia were trying to write proper linux drivers, at least better than ati
[06:50] <Dr_willis> nvidia and ati both have been the 'big dogs' for too long. :)
[06:50] <Jucato> except that both NVIDIA and ATI might have stolen some things... which makes it almost impossible for them to open source...
[06:50] <raeez> true
[06:50] <ConstyXIV> rev-eng the bios (either them or phoenix)
[06:50] <waylandbill> they don't have upstream licensing to open source the drivers though
[06:50] <DeadFishMan> manchicken: I am not american but I never heard that statement before. Are you sure that legitimate cases of clean room reverse engineering are considered illegal in the US?
[06:50] <manchicken> raeez: Better tech is not always more free.
[06:50] <manchicken> ConstyXIV: I don't believe they did.
[06:51] <Grumpf> i just installed kubuntu edgy eft, but can't connect to my router, neither wired or wireless.
[06:51] <manchicken> DeadFishMan: There was a guy in California who got sued out of existence for making a breakthrough in ATI 3D drivers.
[06:51] <raeez> im going to restart my x server, brb
[06:51] <Jucato> but free is also not always better
[06:51] <manchicken> DeadFishMan: He made the mistake of posting his findings.
[06:51] <ConstyXIV> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Technologies
[06:51] <raeez> manchiken: thats not good
[06:51] <manchicken> No, it's not.
[06:51] <Grumpf> what can i do?
[06:52] <Jucato> ok guys, let's get back to business, shall we? :)
[06:52] <ConstyXIV> ibm even sued over that, and lost
[06:52] <DeadFishMan> Grumpf: do you have an eth0 when you run ifconfig on the console?
[06:52] <manchicken> ConstyXIV: Just because Compaq (HP) had a better case in court doesn't mean it wasn't illegal.
[06:53] <Grumpf> deadfishman: yes, it has detected something there
[06:53] <manchicken> ConstyXIV: There could have been some technical thing they were doing differently that wasn't covered under the patent.
[06:53] <Grumpf> protocol: ethernet, hardware adresse ....
[06:55] <manchicken> split?
[06:58] <josh_> does anybody know anything about symbian OS
[06:58] <Grumpf> so, what can i check next ?
[06:59] <soulrider> josh_: isnt that for cell phones ?
[06:59] <josh_> yah
[06:59] <josh_> #symbian
[07:00] <DeadFishMan> Grumpf: Do you have an entry called eth0 over there?
[07:00] <Grumpf> yes, i have
[07:00] <josh_> does anybody know anything about symbian
[07:00] <DeadFishMan> Please post the line here...
[07:01] <Dr_willis> josh_,  what sort of answer are you really expecting?
[07:01] <Grumpf> eth0 Protocol: Ethernet Hardware Adresse 00:18:F3:9F:C1:BE
[07:01] <Dr_willis> josh_,  'its used by cell phones'  - happy?
[07:01] <DeadFishMan> What about the one that says "inet addr"?
[07:02] <Grumpf> UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
[07:02] <Grumpf> there is no line with inet addr
[07:02] <frojnd>  how can Ichange the default gtk font and size
[07:02] <josh_> but can it only come pre-loaded?
[07:02] <josh_> or can you install it yourself
[07:02] <Dr_willis> install it where? to your phone?
[07:02] <Grumpf> wait a sec, brb. need to check something
[07:06] <Schuenemann> !rpm
[07:06] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[07:06] <Schuenemann> !apt
[07:06] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[07:07] <Schuenemann> what does this bot mean with "quite dangerours" ?
[07:07] <Schuenemann> dangerous
[07:07] <Schuenemann> I have to install an rpm
[07:08] <Tm_T> Schuenemann: That means, you might get fine packages or something that might destroy your system. ;)
[07:08] <Tm_T> Schuenemann: It's warning, but you still can try.
[07:08] <Schuenemann> destroy? you're joking right?
[07:08] <Tm_T> Well, with skill you can fix almost anything.
[07:08] <wilman> my ubuntu is becomming unstable
[07:08] <waylandbill> Schuenemann: of course it could. configurations, file locations and more could be and probably are radically different
[07:09] <Tm_T> Schuenemann: But installing package... you give it right to do pretty much anything.
[07:09] <Schuenemann> damn...
[07:09] <waylandbill> why not get a source package?
[07:09] <Schuenemann> not available
[07:09] <wilman> it takes long before something gets opened, sometimes verry long
[07:09] <DeadFishMan> waylandbill: I used alien several times to install rpm packages on my system without problems at all.
[07:09] <Tm_T> Schuenemann: Well, try, should work anyway.
[07:09] <Schuenemann> waylandbill: but you're talking about a file with bad intentions, right?
[07:09] <DeadFishMan> waylandbill: You just need to be careful about the packages that you will try to install.
[07:09] <waylandbill> DeadFishMan: that doesn't mean it couldn't.
[07:10] <waylandbill> Schuenemann: no. not malicious. not intended for the distribution.
[07:10] <Schuenemann> hmmm
[07:10] <DeadFishMan> waylandbill: Often, commercial packages are statically linked and do not have too much external dependencies, when they have it at all and are only available to RH and RH-like distros
[07:11] <Schuenemann> I had a distro that didn't support RPM, but it could be converted to .deb as I remember
[07:11] <waylandbill> you may find that it works just fine, but that doesn't mean you should trust it as 100% reliably installable.
[07:11] <DeadFishMan> waylandbill: I believe that AVG for Linux was one of those cases
[07:11] <DeadFishMan> waylandbill: True.
[07:11] <soulrider> im tryiung to help my friend install kubuntu. He created an invitation for desktop sharing, but i cant seem to be able to connect through krdc
[07:12] <DeadFishMan> soulrider: Those desktop sharing invitations uses simple VNC if I am not mistaken. Try to connect using vncviewer and your friends IP address.
[07:13] <Schuenemann> yes, it's VNC
[07:13] <Schuenemann> it uses a random password
[07:14] <stamen> hi
[07:14] <stamen> what can I use to play 3gp files with audio
[07:14] <stamen> is there somthing like quick time for linux
[07:14] <DeadFishMan> stamen: Have you tried MPlayer, Xine and/or VLC?
[07:15] <stamen> yes
[07:15] <stamen> but the file is without audio
[07:15] <stamen> what to do to play them with audio
[07:15] <soulrider> i cant connect, it just stays in establishing connections
[07:15] <DeadFishMan> stamen: As long as you have the proper binary codecs installed, they should work
[07:15] <stamen> which binary codecs I have to install
[07:15] <stamen> plase tell if u know
[07:16] <stamen> I have gstreamer and w32codec
[07:16] <DeadFishMan> stamen: I heard about an app called Lin3GP sometime ago, which is supposed to encode such videos so it probably add a new codec to the syste,?
[07:16] <DeadFishMan> stamen: I do not know as I rarely use such formats...
[07:17] <stamen> my phone uses them
[07:17] <stamen> :(
[07:18] <DeadFishMan> stamen: But when those video players can only show the video but not audio or the other way around, then it means that its codecs do not support the format entirely and have to be updated (when such update is available, of course)
[07:18] <stamen> I agree with u, but how to update the w32codec
[07:18] <stamen> my system is up to date
[07:19] <stamen> and the problem is the same with 3gp
[07:20] <DeadFishMan> stamen: My MP3 Player uses a Chinese(?) proprietary format to encode video files whose container have the extension AMV. Apparently, they hacked some OSS codec, made a few modifications and now the end result seems like RIFF data to Linux
[07:20] <DeadFishMan> stamen: I gave up trying to make Linux to encode/decode those files.
[07:20] <stamen> DeadFishMan:  ok
[07:21] <stamen> DeadFishMan:  :)
[07:21] <DeadFishMan> stamen: I believe that the MPlayer/Mencoder developers are working on OSS implementation for those formats as we speak, so they should show up on either project or on FFMPEG pretty soon
[07:21] <stamen> DeadFishMan:  do u upload your images from phone to pc
[07:21] <stamen> DeadFishMan:  ok, I will wait them
[07:22] <DeadFishMan> stamen: No. My phone is so old that it does not even have a camera :)
[07:22] <stamen> DeadFishMan:  aa, ok
[07:22] <Dr_willis> My phone is so cheap - it dosent have a camera
[07:22] <DeadFishMan> stamen: But I tried using my sister s once and it was not pretty.
[07:22] <stamen> DeadFishMan: but I will ask u, maybe u know somthing
[07:22] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:23] <DeadFishMan> stamen: These devices do not use standard protocols, like USB Mass Storage, so the chance of having them working without the manufacturer support is close to none currently.
[07:23] <stamen> DeadFishMan: the problem is, that last 2 months I upload my pictures without problem true USB cable
[07:23] <DeadFishMan> stamen: It was the same thing with digital camera that used the PTP protocol a few years ago.
[07:24] <stamen> DeadFishMan: no, it worked perfectrly, but now when I connect the cable and after 3 sec the mouse and keyboard are blocked
[07:24] <stamen> DeadFishMan: and I have to reset the PC :(
[07:24] <stamen> DeadFishMan: do you have an idea how to fix this ?
[07:24] <DeadFishMan> stamen: Did you upgraded major parts of your system (kernel, udev, sysfs, etc?)?
[07:24] <stamen> yes
[07:24] <stamen> I am using edgy
[07:24] <DeadFishMan> stamen: sounds like a huge bug to me...
[07:25] <stamen> DeadFishMan: me too
[07:25] <stamen> DeadFishMan: as I write, all was working perfectrly
[07:25] <stamen> DeadFishMan: now the system blocks
[07:25] <DeadFishMan> stamen: If it worked previously, try to see if the system at least see you plugging the device: lsusb
[07:26] <ostepop> Why do I get an error saying "RTNETLINK answers: File exists" when I have multiple interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces and I try to activate them with "/etc/init.d/network start"?
[07:26] <DeadFishMan> lsusb: will list the devices plugged on USB ports
[07:26] <stamen> yes, it see the phone memorry card
[07:26] <stamen> and offers to open it
[07:26] <stamen> I open the card, and when I start copying the files, keybord, and the mouse are gone
[07:26] <DeadFishMan> and (as root) tail -f /var/log/messages should tell you if the kernel indeed sees when you plug the phone and what happens afterwards
[07:27] <DeadFishMan> stamen: Well... then I have no idea of what it could be.
[07:27] <stamen> DeadFishMan: ok
[07:27] <stamen> DeadFishMan: 10x for the spended time
[07:27] <stamen> :)
[07:27] <DeadFishMan> stamen: Sorry! :/
[07:30] <mortici> how do i make patches?
[07:32] <Xera|> are there any things like napster/itunes where i can buy music for linux?
[07:32] <josh_> lol buying music
[07:33] <Theory> depends on what type of music you are looking for
[07:33] <Theory> e.g. amarok will let you buy music from magnatune.com
[07:33] <Theory> but you won't find big name artists there
[07:33] <josh_> buy music?
[07:33] <josh_> why dont you just get free music
[07:33] <hatta> emusic
[07:34] <hatta> http://www.kallisti.net.nz/EMusicJ/HomePage
[07:34] <codyt> free ogg?
[07:34] <hatta> they have an awesome collection of jazz and world music
[07:34] <Xera|> he's talking about limewire/emule etc probably
[07:34] <Xera|> lol hatta
[07:34] <josh_> yeah
[07:34] <Xera|> not what i'm looking for
[07:34] <Xera|> ;P
[07:34] <hatta> why not?
[07:35] <Xera|> because dance owns them all
[07:35] <Xera|> :D
[07:35] <josh_> yeah realy
[07:35] <Dr_willis> !frostwire
[07:35] <josh_> why dont you just get free music
[07:35] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[07:35] <codyt> i'd like free music, as long as it ogg instead of mp3
[07:35] <Xera|> won't lemme connect
[07:35] <Dr_willis> I want free Kenny G. !
[07:35] <Xera|> ;/
[07:35] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:35] <josh_> amule
[07:35] <Xera|> josh_: no ty
[07:35] <Xera|> xD
[07:35] <Xera|> rubbish :O
[07:35] <josh_> bittorrent
[07:35] <codyt> Limewire and Frostwire both fail on my computer.
[07:35] <Xera|> nearly as bad as limewire
[07:35] <codyt> Says the themes.jar is wrong, with both of them.
[07:36] <Xera|> my net is being a bitch, can't connect to ottd multiplayer, or limewire
[07:36] <Xera|> >:
[07:36] <codyt> only one I've manged to get to work is phex.
[07:37] <Xera|> well there's one song i'm looking for, AM180 - Grandaddy
[07:37] <Xera|> *cough*anyone?*cough*
[07:37] <Xera|> :P
[07:37] <codyt> I'm looking for lots of songs.
[07:38] <codyt> Tool, Megadeth..
[07:39] <Dr_willis> Kenny G. . Polka Classics,
[07:39] <Dr_willis> Menudo, Milli Vanilli
[07:39] <codyt> Hendrix.
[07:40] <codyt> I wanna replace my voodoo chile mp3, it sounds poor.
[07:40] <Xera|> "rogue traders" ?
[07:45] <velle> when using "ls -l" in a folder like "/dev", I get a column of numbers for every device node, that are not there for files or directories. The column is after group and before size. E.g.: "crw------- 1 root root      4,   1 2007-01-18 10:35 tty1", in this case 4. What does that number mean?
[07:45] <galathalion> kiss
[07:45] <galathalion> oops.
[07:47] <Dr_willis> major/minor node #'s
[07:47] <Dr_willis> are what those are velle
[07:47] <Dr_willis> tty1 = 4,1
[07:47] <Dr_willis> byeeee
[07:48] <schlonzo> hai!
[07:48] <schlonzo> isses normal in kubuntu das ich auf mein dateisystem nich zugreifen kann?
[07:49] <CorPLiNuX> i need help installing something
[07:49] <HymnToLife> !de | schlonzo
[07:49] <ubotu> schlonzo: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[07:49] <Lynoure> CorPLiNuX: Please tell more.
[07:49] <CorPLiNuX> trying to load enemy territory, but i get this
[07:49] <CorPLiNuX> ./setup.sh: 278: /root/.setup11823: not found
[07:49] <CorPLiNuX> ./setup.sh: 289: /root/.setup11823: not found
[07:49] <CorPLiNuX> and then it closes the setup
[07:49] <Xera|> lol
[07:49] <schlonzo> okey... is it normaly in kubuntu that i can't see my filesystem?
[07:50] <Xera|> CorPLiNuX: you're running it as root?
[07:50] <CorPLiNuX> yes
[07:50] <Xera|> run it as a normal user
[07:50] <HymnToLife> schlonzo, seems to be a well known bug, you should be able to find about it in google
[07:50] <Xera|> it's looking in the home folder for the files
[07:50] <CorPLiNuX> tried
[07:50] <Xera|> hmm
[07:50] <HymnToLife> you're not the first one asking zbout it
[07:50] <Xera|> O-o
[07:50] <CorPLiNuX> I get a 3rd file on the list as a normal user
[07:51] <abattoir> !hidden | schlonzo
[07:51] <ubotu> schlonzo: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[07:51] <CorPLiNuX> ./setup.sh: 273: /home/monster/.setup11922: not found
[07:51] <CorPLiNuX> ./setup.sh: 278: /home/monster/.setup11922: not found
[07:51] <CorPLiNuX> ./setup.sh: 289: /home/monster/.setup11922: not found
[07:51] <CorPLiNuX> as a normal user
[07:52] <Xera|> weird
[07:52] <CorPLiNuX> w0rd
[07:52] <Lynoure> What is tries to do is probably readable from the script
[07:53] <Lynoure> Specifically on lines 273, 278 and 289
[07:53] <CorPLiNuX> so how do I fix that?
[07:54] <Lynoure> I do not use ET, but if you pastebin the setup.sh I can take a look at what it does
[07:54] <Lynoure> ET prolly has it's own support.
[07:56] <jamrs> when using SSH... i want to forward a port... lets say i have servera.com and on the internal network of servera.com i have a computer with the IP 192.168.1.98.. i want to SSH servera from here and tunnel into a specific port on the network computer
[07:57] <jamrs> lets say port 3555 or something
[07:57] <xera> afk, dinner
[07:57] <Tonren> What's the name of the dropdown terminal for KDE?  It's "Tilda" in Gnome.  It's a terminal that acts like FPS terminals, that dropdown from the top of thes creen when you hit ~.
[07:57] <jamrs> i know about -D portnumber, but this program i am running does not allow proxying
[07:57] <CorPLiNuX> there is no setup.sh there
[07:58] <CorPLiNuX> none of the files it says are
[07:58] <kkosmo> hi somone can help me how i can change only the konsole language to en not all the system only konsole ?
[07:59] <michaelpo> hello... how do i view vcd? i can view dvd...
[07:59] <michaelpo> hello... how do i view vcd? i can view dvd...
[07:59] <CorPLiNuX> maybe i need to run it from a different directory?
[07:59] <CorPLiNuX> nope
[08:00] <Tonren> Anyone?  Dropdown terminal?
[08:03] <Lynoure> CorPLiNuX: no setup.sh?  How are you running the installation?
[08:04] <Lynoure> Tonren: and you mean actual terminal and not katapult?
[08:04] <Tonren> Lynoure: Right
[08:05] <Lynoure> Tonren: yakuake perhaps
[08:05] <CorPLiNuX> lyn it isnt, that's the problem
[08:05] <Lynoure> CorPLiNuX: How are you running the installation?
[08:05] <Tonren> Lynoure: Thanks
[08:05] <Lynoure> CorPLiNuX: What command?
[08:05] <CorPLiNuX> clicking on it and or sh filename.run
[08:06] <CorPLiNuX> it starts to load
[08:06] <CorPLiNuX> then gives me that error
[08:06] <Lynoure> filename.run is the name of the file you click on?
[08:06] <CorPLiNuX> not exactly
[08:06] <CorPLiNuX> sh '/home/monster/et-linux-2.60.x86.run'
[08:06] <DeadFishMan> Tonren: Yakuake
[08:07] <Tonren> DeadFishMan: How do I change Yakuake's options?  I want Alt + ` to be my hotkey.
[08:07] <Lynoure> CorPLiNuX: My, that answer took a lot of pulling...
[08:07] <CorPLiNuX> lol
[08:07] <CorPLiNuX> =\ sorry
[08:07] <michaelpo> hello... i just installed ubuntu6.06...  how do i view vcd? i can view dvd...
[08:07] <DeadFishMan> Tonren: Dunno. Never used it. :)
[08:07] <Lynoure> CorPLiNuX: try cd to /home/monster first
[08:08] <Lynoure> CorPLiNuX: and running it as sh et-linux-2.60.x86.run   if you have not already
[08:08] <mace___> someone in here using vaiostat-source ?
[08:08] <CorPLiNuX> same thing
[08:08] <DeadFishMan> michaelpo: If you can watch DVDs, then theoretically you should be able to use the same app to watch VCDs.
[08:08] <Lynoure> CorPLiNuX: that et-linux-2.60.x86.run is shell script, pastebinning it might help
[08:09] <DeadFishMan> michaelpo: I use Xine and VLC
[08:09] <michaelpo> im using totem
[08:09] <Lynoure> Or might be, I'm getting way sleepy :)
[08:09] <karmikaze> anyone else having bad luck with yakuake
[08:10] <DeadFishMan> michaelpo: I do not use Totem very often as it is too dumbed down for my taste. Try to apt-get xine-ui and VLC that are more featured
[08:10] <karmikaze> this is the second time today its gone crazy and crashed x
[08:10] <karmikaze> i think it might be to do with beryl as well
[08:10] <michaelpo> totem could not play 'vcd:///media/cdrom0'. no URI handler implemented for "vcd".
[08:11] <michaelpo> is mplayer any good?
[08:11] <karmikaze> mplayer is awesome
[08:11] <pj> Hi, I have installed Kubuntu a few weeks ago. I still have one last Hardware config. problem to solve, which I can't really get hold of.
[08:11] <karmikaze> for dvds though i find xine the best
[08:11] <DeadFishMan> michaelpo: Also, VLC has a wxGTK interface, so it looks exactly like a GNOME app (if that is what floats your boat)
[08:11] <CorPLiNuX> sorry, im still hella new to using all this
[08:11] <manchicken> Once you get the codecs installed, kaffeine is quite a good media player.
[08:11] <CorPLiNuX> how do I paste the binning
[08:11] <CorPLiNuX> ?
[08:11] <karmikaze> what hardware pj
[08:12] <DeadFishMan> !pastebin
[08:12] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:12] <michaelpo> ok... i'm new to linux/ubuntu/gnu.. dont know what is wxgtk or gtk
[08:12] <pj> intelp pentium 4, 2.4 gighz
[08:12] <pj> I cant configure my Audio
[08:12] <DeadFishMan> michaelpo: Oh, sorry about that.
[08:12] <manchicken> michaelpo: They're just different GUI libraries.
[08:12] <michaelpo> i will install vlc then....
[08:12] <DeadFishMan> michaelpo: In this case, please try VLC.
[08:12] <CorPLiNuX> ahh
[08:13] <pj> I can play mp3 with amaro, but I dont have any system sound
[08:13] <manchicken> wxgtk, IIRC, is just GTK with a wxwidgets interface.
[08:13] <michaelpo> i use the add/remove program?
[08:13] <pj> the same when I  plaz videos : no sound
[08:13] <DeadFishMan> michaelpo: Yes
[08:14] <DeadFishMan> michaelpo: sudo apt-get install vlc
[08:14] <DeadFishMan> michaelpo: Even faster. :)
[08:14] <michaelpo> 5min... anticipating...
[08:14] <trappist> ok I said 'sudo aptitude hold mrxvt' but now apt-get upgrade still wants to upgrade mrxvt.  any ideas why?
[08:15] <CorPLiNuX> now you need me to paste the whole file in ther>?
[08:17] <Lynoure> CorPLiNuX: No, I do not need anything, but might be able to help if you did that.
[08:18] <Lynoure> CorPLiNuX: You might be able to help yourself by looking into that file, too, who knows :)
[08:18] <crusty> hy! my kubuntu 6.10 do start without administrative privileges.....sometyng happen......any help?
[08:19] <Lynoure> crusty: you mean it starts just fine but you do not have full permission for everything? Or something else?
[08:20] <Lynoure> !sudo | crusty
[08:20] <ubotu> crusty: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:20] <crusty> yes! exactlly
[08:20] <Lynoure> crusty: That link should explain things to you :)
[08:20] <DeadFishMan> crusty: Ideally, you should start without administrative priviledges, but Ubuntu does not make that easy for you :)
[08:21] <crusty> ok! thanks.........it was fine before! but someting went wrong yerterday and now is like this...many thanks Lynuire
[08:21] <DeadFishMan> crusty: Make sure that your user account is on the adm and admin groups. That should fix some of your problems, if not all of them
[08:23] <Pekke_> what can i do to make my cd/dvd-rom to work in this laptop w/ kubuntu. i put music cd in, but it does not do anything, and i can't play the music from ther
[08:24] <pj> I have a similar problem with my sound caru. The programm starts the CD by it plays no sound ..
[08:24] <CorPLiNuX> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2076/
[08:25] <CorPLiNuX> that is a chunk of it Lynoure
[08:25] <crusty> how to make sure that my account is on adm and admin....sorry but im kinde of new on kubuntu
[08:25] <raf> hello, I want to mount an Ubuntu box folder in a Kubuntu box folder, I'm trying to do this manually: sudo mount //192.168.69.200/proyectos /home/raf/proyectos  -o username=raf,password=mipass; but it throws this error: "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock" what can I do?
[08:26] <Lynoure> crusty: Can you use sudo? If you can, it is.
[08:26] <Lynoure> crusty: but you can also do  less /etc/group   to see what groups you are in
[08:26] <mace___> what programm could i use to manage/bookmark my ftp servers?
[08:27] <crusty> i normally use sudo on konsole.......but iv not done recentlly! will it bee enought if i restart the pc with sudo reboot?
[08:28] <DeadFishMan> crusty: On the system settings menu, look for KUser, then enter you credentials when asked and edit your user profile to include both groups. It is pretty straighforward once you get there.
[08:28] <crusty> ok ill try that! thanks
[08:29] <DeadFishMan> mace___: gFTP
[08:30] <crusty> ok i'm there i do appear ain user and groops
[08:31] <crusty> as user and groups....sorry
[08:32] <DeadFishMan> raf: I do not know but it looks like you are trying to use Samba between those 2 Linux boxes. You missed the paramenter to specify the filesystem:  -t smbfs
[08:32] <CorPLiNuX> i notice in the first couple lines it says stuff for setup.sh
[08:32] <mace___> DeadFishMan: ah nice, thank you
[08:32] <ThE_LiNuX_UsEr> it.sport.calcio -->shit usenet group
[08:32] <CorPLiNuX> there a way I can just5 download these files and put them there? lol
[08:33] <raf> DeadFishMan: I'm going to try that. ok, Is there another way to communicate 2 linux boxes other that samba?
[08:33] <DeadFishMan> raf: And if you are planning to mount remote folders like that, make sure that the Samba daemon is running on both machines
[08:33] <DeadFishMan> raf: Yes. NFS.
[08:34] <raf> DeadFishMan: How can I mount network folder with NFS?
[08:34] <DeadFishMan> raf: Samba is a Unix implementation of the CIFS protocol used on Windows networks and it is menat to make Windows and *NIX machines to co-exist on the same network.
[08:35] <raf> DeadFishMan: oh, I didn't know that
[08:35] <DeadFishMan> raf: You might want to look up for some info on the net as NFS can be a rather lenghty subject. :)
[08:35] <gan|y|med> hi
[08:35] <raf> DeadFishMan: Yes, I'll make a research about NFS
[08:35] <gan|y|med> i've got problems with knetworkmanager
[08:36] <CorPLiNuX> Lynoure: this one is a bit better, maybe what you where looking for. im still new at this. =\ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2077/
[08:36] <CorPLiNuX> or if anyone could help
[08:36] <CorPLiNuX> that would be awesome
[08:38] <gan|y|med> knetworkmanager seems to work as i can connect to a completely unsecured network.
[08:39] <gan|y|med> however, everytime i try to connect to a mac address filtered one, it cannot get past the "configure device" stage
[08:39] <gan|y|med> and when i try to enter the essid manually again it ends up crashing
[08:39] <gan|y|med> any help would be much appreciated
[08:40] <michaelpo> vlc works... thanks....
[08:40] <raf> I have another problem... I have installed Beryl + XGL in kubuntu, everything works very fine but the Alt-Gr key doesn't work anymore, so  if I want to write an AT i can't beacuse I need Alt-Gr+2 to write down an AT, what can I do?
[08:40] <DeadFishMan> michaelpo: I am glad to hear that :)
[08:40] <Admiral_Chicago> help install a wireless driver. I don't knows what this command means
[08:41] <Admiral_Chicago> make -c /path/to/source/ SUBDIRS=$PWD modules
[08:41] <raf> Even if I goes back to KWin, Alt-Gr doesn't work :(
[08:41] <gan|y|med> just in case
[08:41] <michaelpo> DeadFishMan: how do i make ubuntu default to vlc instead of totem?
[08:41] <Admiral_Chicago> do i just say make and the PWD will create a new file in thi directory i'm in
[08:41] <gan|y|med> knetworkmanager seems to work as i can connect to a completely unsecured network. however, everytime i try to connect to a mac address filtered one, it cannot get past the "configure device" stage.  and when i try to enter the essid manually again it ends up crashing
[08:41] <DeadFishMan> raf: I do not use Beryl but I heard that once you replace KDEs window manager - Kwin - with it, certain keystrokes are not respected anymore. Perhaps that could be the reason...
[08:42] <Admiral_Chicago> where path to source is the path to the source directory for the target kernel
[08:42] <DeadFishMan> michaelpo: Sorry, pal. I dunno. I do not use Ubuntu nor GNOME that much. Gnome Volume Manager would be my first guess.
[08:43] <lenscape> how do I install the python source files using apt-get or synaptic?
[08:43] <michaelpo> ok thanks...
[08:43] <raf> DeadFishMan: Oh oh, that's not good :'(
[08:44] <raf> DeadFishMan: thank you very much
[08:44] <DeadFishMan> raf: You are welcome, mate.
[08:44] <apokryphos> ubotu: source | lenscape
[08:44] <ubotu> lenscape: You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[08:45] <lenscape> apokryphos: ah! Thanks
[08:45] <apokryphos> indeed :)
[08:45] <apokryphos> ubotu: bot
[08:45] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[08:45] <Lynoure> CorPLiNuX: According to this there ought to be setup.sh around somewhere, as this would nag at you differently if there were not, and the error you get is from the setup.sh
[08:46] <CorPLiNuX> i cant find it if it's there
[08:46] <CorPLiNuX> and all my files are showin
[08:47] <joel_> hi
[08:47] <n0ne> heyal
[08:48] <n0ne> Can anyone help me  with this -> i think i have some problem with kde, because i have Russian and English languages in panel, but by shift+alt they don't changing, and no binds are working :(
[08:48] <Lynoure> CorPLiNuX: do    find /home setup.sh
[08:49] <Lynoure> ooops
[08:49] <CorPLiNuX> ??
[08:49] <Lynoure> CorPLiNuX: oops, find /home -name setup.sh
[08:50] <pj> My soundcard seems not be configuerd properly by default (kubuntu). I can play (and hear!) mp3 with amarok, but no other sounds (*.wav, Movies, CD) any idea where I can get some Help / information on this specific probelm ?
[08:51] <n0ne> Can anyone help me  with this -> i think i have some problem with kde, because i have Russian and English languages in panel, but by shift+alt they don't change, and no binds are working :(
[08:51] <CorPLiNuX> Lynoure: nothing
[08:51] <CorPLiNuX> came up with no results
[08:51] <gan|y|med> any idea why knetworkmanager keeps crashing?
[08:51] <DeadFishMan> pj: See which engine Amarok is using on the backend. If it is using ALSA and KDE applications are trying to use aRTS, then you found your problem.
[08:51] <soulrider> gan|y|med: it works well for me
[08:52] <gan|y|med> ok, again
[08:52] <gan|y|med> knetworkmanager seems to work as i can connect to a completely unsecured network. however, everytime i try to connect to a mac address filtered one, it cannot get past the "configure device" stage.  and when i try to enter the essid manually again it ends up crashing
[08:52] <apokryphos> gan|y|med: start it from the command line and you tell us
[08:52] <gan|y|med> that might interrup this connection
[08:52] <DeadFishMan> pj: aRTS is a pig but I have seen some KDE applications that try to start it even if you explicitly tell them to not use it.
[08:53] <DeadFishMan> pj: (Juk comes to mind...)
[08:53] <raf> If anyone has the Alt-Gr issue in Beryl, Here is the solution -> http://forum.beryl-project.org/viewtopic.php?t=1366
[08:53] <DeadFishMan> raf: Hey, man! Good that you found it! :)
[08:54] <raf> DeadFishMan: One more time google is my friend :D
[08:54] <Lynoure> CorPLiNuX: I guess I'll leave this to you and ET forums. Good luck!
[08:54] <CorPLiNuX> lol
[08:54] <CorPLiNuX> sorry =(
[08:54] <DeadFishMan> raf: Google is everyone s friend! :P
[08:54] <n0ne> Can anyone help me  with this -> i think i have some problem with kde, because i have Russian and English languages in panel, but by shift+alt they don't change, and no binds are working :(
[08:56] <pj> thanks, I try to find out waht amarok and kde are usind on the back end ...
[08:57] <n0ne> Can anyone help me  with this -> i think i have some problem with kde, because i have Russian and English languages in panel, but by shift+alt they don't change, and no binds are working :(
[08:58] <cyprene> I had that same issue.  Did you set your language control panel to include russian?
[08:58] <DeadFishMan> pj: Just to clarify, aRTS is what KDE calls Sound System. You can enable or disable it from the Control Panel. Try to change it state and then play again whatever was failing to play previously.
[08:58] <morenin> em... espaol?
[08:59] <pj> in System settings sounds setting says: Advanced linux sound Architecture
[08:59] <apokryphos> ubotu: spanish
[08:59] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[08:59] <n0ne> yep
[08:59] <morenin> gracias
[08:59] <gan|y|med> knetworkmanager crashed when i tried to enter the essid manually
 yup, i can change language by clicking flag
[08:59] <gan|y|med> i lost the connection...
 but shift+alt isn't work
[08:59] <n0ne> ing* ()
[09:00] <DeadFishMan> pj: For non-KDE applications such as XMMS and Beep Media Player, you will need to set them up so that they use the aRTS backend.
[09:00] <cyprene> OK, hmm...
[09:00] <cyprene> Is it shift alt or shift+space?
[09:00] <kkosmo> somone how i can change the language of the konsole only the language on konsole not all system only kosnsole
[09:00] <kkosmo> ?
  nop...
  any ideas?
[09:03] <cyprene> Try setting your default language to russian
[09:03] <n0ne> ok one moment
[09:03] <pj> I am for ex. using xine. I unchecked Enable sound system, but still no sound..
[09:04] <tarden_> ''
[09:04] <tarden_> 
[09:04] <pj> the output plug in for amarok is: autodetect
[09:05] <tarden_> 
  nop. =(
[09:05] <Spudchat> do you think an upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10 will go smoothly through apt?
[09:06] <gan|y|med> has anybody knetworkmanager up and running with mac filtering or wep enc???
[09:06] <n3storm> Spudchat: if you haven't made many changes to your repositories there shouldn't be many problems
[09:06] <killermach_> kaffiene is only playing audio for a blender tutorial AVI .. what do I need to install to get video playback?
[09:06] <cyprene> Killer, do you have the extra codecs?
[09:07] <cryptom> hi, I've seen in my xorg.conf within the InputDevice section that there is the line: Option "XkbOptions" "lv3:ralt_switch"
[09:07] <cryptom> what does that mean?
  so? have any ideas how to solve this prob?
[09:09] <cyprene> I've got nothing.
[09:09] <cyprene> Sorry.
[09:09] <cyprene> When I tried to get japanese input, here is how I did it.
[09:09] <n0ne> np.. thx anyway
[09:09] <cyprene> I set my default language to english
[09:09] <cyprene> installed
[09:09] <cyprene> then went to language options
[09:10] <cyprene> selected japanese
[09:10] <cyprene> then it installed the packs
[09:10] <cyprene> then I went to regional and language options in the systems
[09:10] <cyprene> set the language to japanese
[09:10] <cyprene> and then restarted
[09:10] <cyprene> and it worked
[09:10] <n0ne> i'll try it now, thx
[09:10] <shadowhywind> i was wondering if someone could help me with my vpn, i keep getting a Auth Username/Password was not provided by peer error
[09:11] <voicu> why is firestarter blocking a port i opened explicitly?
[09:11] <voicu> does the protocol used have any to do with this?
[09:12] <DeadFishMan> pj: In this case, try playing with the backends available to Amarok to determine which one is working. If it is not aRTS, that means that you probably have to disable to Sound System in the Control Panel.
[09:12] <voicu> i get a lot of denied connections on port 6881 (torrent) although it is clearly opened in the policy tab
[09:12] <gdiebel> what does the kernel message say when the partition was not cleanly unmounted?
[09:13] <BluesKaj> voicu, router port forwarding ?
[09:13] <voicu> no, simple firewall
[09:13] <voicu> and it's blocking some of the connections
[09:13] <BluesKaj> why are you using a FW
[09:14] <DeadFishMan> voicu: Torrent clients usually try to open lots of ports beyond 6881. You probably will need to allow connections on a certain range and set up your client to use that port range
[09:14] <voicu> blueskaj: why is that important?
[09:14] <BluesKaj> !firewall
[09:14] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[09:15] <pj> I changed output plugin for amaro to ALSa and I got an error message sayin xine was unable to initialize any audio drivers
[09:15] <voicu> deadfishman: i saw that, but i would have to open all the ports... the thing is some connections succed while others don't
[09:15] <Spudchat> n3storm, sorry, i had a phone call...what do you mean by changes to my repositories?
[09:15] <pj> and no sound comes form amarok anymore ..
[09:15] <BluesKaj> well, some ppl say a FW is uneccessary in Linux , and others disagree ...i have  no opinion cuz I'm behind a router hardware FW
[09:15] <n3storm> Spudchat: do you have standard ubuntu apt repositories?
[09:15] <voicu> BluesKaj: yesterday i was directed to the same stuff because i had a problem with an attack
[09:16] <n0ne> Anyone here playing or played Savage?
[09:16] <Spudchat> n3storm, more or less, i added the PLF repo and the cannonical commercial repo and OOo final
[09:16] <DeadFishMan> voicu: See this: http://btfaq.com/serve/cache/25.html
[09:16] <n3storm> Spudchat: mmm
[09:17] <Spudchat> mmm as in delicious or utoh?
[09:17] <DeadFishMan> pj: Keep switching the backends and try again...
[09:17] <n3storm> Spudchat: :D
[09:17] <n3storm> Spudchat: I think you should be okay
[09:17] <Spudchat> heh allright then...thanks n3storm for the info
[09:17] <n3storm> I had problems when having beryl and so repositories
[09:17] <pj> amarok output plug in to arts -> no sound either ..
[09:17] <DeadFishMan> voicu: That page suggests opening all the TCP ports from 6881 to 6999
[09:18] <DeadFishMan> voicu: Sounds like a reasonable compromise to me :)
[09:18] <Spudchat> im not interested in flashy desktop magic...ill wait for kde4
[09:18] <DeadFishMan> pj: If it works using OSS, then you have a bigger problem :)
[09:19] <BluesKaj> voicu, using ktorrent ?
[09:19] <voicu> deadfishman: that's not point, people connect to me to 6881 and some get refused
[09:20] <voicu> BluesKaj, yes
[09:20] <cyber-hazard> suggestions for a program to video conference (read: webcam) with someone using windows?
[09:21] <DeadFishMan> cyber-hazard: Kopete, aMSN and Ekiga
[09:21] <BluesKaj> voicu, have you opened UDP tracker port 4444 ?
[09:21] <cyber-hazard> DeadFishMan: if using Kopete, you recommend using the MSN protocol? cause the Yahoo one was complete shite (but then, I don't know if that's a problem with my computer, kopete, or Y!
[09:21] <pj> @DFM the oss plug in is working for amarok. what does this means ?
[09:22] <voicu> BluesKaj, yes i did but that didn't do any good. i think i am supposed to connect on port 4444, not someone to me
[09:23] <voicu> anyway, the problem is "why do people get refused when i set a rule that accepts connections on a specific port?"
[09:24] <voicu> woo, 128kB just got through, only 438 Days left...
[09:25] <pj> I put output audio device OSS in my my player and now I can hera the sound.. !! thanks.
[09:25] <cloakable> doodle on edgy seems to have some severe limitations :/
[09:25] <jager> what might be some common reasons flash 9 will not output sound on an edgy box that was dist-upgraded
[09:26] <jager> this is the one thing that isn't working :P
[09:26] <pj> where can I read something about this sounds sytems ? can I change the settings for all application in one central place ?
[09:26] <morenin> emm... espaol?
[09:26] <cyber-hazard> !es
[09:26] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[09:27] <morenin> como hago para conectarme directamente al #kubuntu-es?
[09:27] <voicu> type /join #kubuntu-es
[09:27] <cyber-hazard>  /j #kubuntu-es
[09:28] <morenin> aja
[09:28] <morenin> thankss
[09:28] <morenin> ;)
[09:28] <voicu> avec plaisir :P
[09:28] <marinka> Hi, i have big problem. I reconfigured xserver - sudo -reconfigure etc.... and i restarted it and i can not login (login failed]  to my account throught KDM login, i must use Console login and i am able to log in.
[09:29] <marinka> Why? system changed my (and root's) password?
[09:29] <marinka> I can not login as root in console and i can not change accounts throught User management
[09:30] <slow-motion> n8
[09:30] <juano__> marinka: did you do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver?
[09:30] <marinka> Yes
[09:30] <juano__> marinka: what is the exact error?
[09:31] <marinka> juano__:I can not login to my default account and i can not login as root (there are same passwords)
[09:31] <juano__> marinka: you cant login console either?
[09:32] <marinka> juano__:When i switch to console login it is ok....
[09:32] <juano__> marinka: did you try to login through KDE failsafe?
[09:32] <MDeadFishan> Heheh... My baby daughter reset my PC XD
[09:32] <marinka> yes...
[09:32] <juano__> marinka: ah ok
[09:32] <cyber-hazard> MDeadFishan: hehe, that's awesome :P
[09:33] <juano__> and when you login to kde what happens?
[09:33] <MDeadFishan> pj: If only OSS is working, then that means that ALSA is not loaded at all. You may want to install ALSA from the repositories
[09:33] <MDeadFishan> pj: I believe that Ubuntu will attempt to setup the sound driver for you afterwards
[09:34] <MDeadFishan> cyber-hazard: Yep :)
[09:34] <mefisto_> hi guys
[09:35] <juano__> marinka: when you try to login through KDE what happens?
[09:35] <MDeadFishan> cyber-hazard: So, did you try again using the webcam with Kopete? Before I was rudely interrupted :) I was going to say that it works fine for me with MSN, but I never tried Y!
[09:35] <mefisto_> can somebody help me?
[09:35] <pj> alsa-oss ?
[09:35] <marinka> juano__: it write "login failed"
[09:35] <cyber-hazard> MDeadFishan: yeah, it doesn't work well with Y!. Sometimes my computer crashes, or her cam only sends a couple frames and then freezes. but I wasn't sure if ti was my computer, her/my cam, or Y!
[09:35] <marinka> juano__: it seems that system has change root password
[09:35] <cyber-hazard> MDeadFishan: if it works okay with MSN for you then I'll give that a shot and see
[09:35] <juano__> marinka: mmm...
[09:36] <smoze> hi! i just installed kubuntu and was just wondering if it should ask root password wich it didn't???
[09:36] <juano__> marinka: do you have gnome? or Xfce? can you login from there?
[09:36] <MDeadFishan> pj: OSS is Linux.s old Open Sound System. ALSA is a modern sound system intended to replace OSS. That package - alsa-oss - provides a compatibility layer for old applications that are not aware of ALSA and tries to use OSS instead.
[09:36] <juano__> !root | smoze
[09:36] <cyber-hazard> smoze: will never ask for the root password (as there really isn't one)
[09:36] <ubotu> smoze: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[09:37] <marinka> juano__:No, i have only KDE, i will try to revive my backup xorg.conf file
[09:37] <Varjat_by> Hi! I try to install mplayer on 6.10, but I have a terrible noise instead sound.. I try to build mplayer from sorces and also intall them with apt-get...
[09:37] <juano__> marinka: yes, you can try that if you have a backup
[09:37] <MDeadFishan> pj: This is specially true for certain non-free apps such as the old Flash Player (up to version 7) that uses OSS. The latest version uses ALSA, though.
[09:37] <juano__> marinka: that may work
[09:37] <smoze> ubotu: thanks
[09:37] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[09:37] <marinka> ok
[09:37] <cyber-hazard> but bots have feelings too
[09:37] <cyber-hazard> !love
[09:37] <juano__> marinka: ill be back in an hour or so, sorry i have to go no
[09:37] <ubotu> Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come.
[09:37] <smoze> hehehe
[09:37] <cyber-hazard> sorry, that's my favourite command ever
[09:37] <calcified> i have a question
[09:38] <smoze> keep up the good work
[09:38] <calcified> in KDE--system settings->Display, when i try to change the video driver from VESA to fglrx, the UI won't give me the ability to apply the changes for some reason...?
[09:39] <calcified> any ideas?
[09:39] <pj> alsa-base is already installed on the system. maybe I have to activate it somewhere in the system settings ?
[09:40] <Varjat_by> It is offen problem for me - I can't apply or switch to administrator mode in some cases in KControl
[09:41] <calcified> i have no problems switching to administrator mode, its just that in the UI, the actual "apply" button appears greyed out
[09:44] <soulrider> !botsnack
[09:44] <ubotu> Yum!
[09:45] <Mez> lol
[09:46] <Varjat_by> Hi! I try to install mplayer on 6.10, but I have a terrible noise instead sound.. I try to build mplayer from sorces and also intall them with apt-get...
[09:47] <MDeadFishan> Varjat_by: Try to change the audio output by using -ao. Eg: mplayer -ao sdl
[09:47] <Varjat_by> sdl?..
[09:47] <Varjat_by> Why not ALSA?
[09:48] <MDeadFishan> Varjat_by: sdl was just an example. Try to see the audio output options available to you and try them all to see if it helps
[09:48] <Tox> how to change os language to my preferred ?
[09:48] <dwidmann> Hmmm, vlc doesn't seem to want to go full screen :(
[09:48] <Tox> i mean ol dialogs etc
[09:48] <Tox> i have installed my lang pack already
[09:49] <Varjat_by> MDeadFishan: By default mplayer use oss. I compile mplayer with alsa, and at now if i type -ao alsa i have the same result as for oss
[09:49] <MDeadFishan> Tox: Have you tried to change the Language on the Control Center (or Panel)
[09:50] <MDeadFishan> ?
[09:50] <Tox> no .. tnx
[09:50] <Tox> i will
[09:50] <Xera> i'm getting this error from timidity:
[09:50] <Xera> jamie@jamie:~$ timidity -iAD -Os
[09:50] <Xera> Requested buffer size 32768, fragment size 8192
[09:50] <Xera> ALSA pcm 'default' set buffer size 60208, period size 3760 bytes
[09:50] <Xera> TiMidity starting in ALSA server mode
[09:50] <Xera> ALSA lib seq_hw.c:456:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory
[09:50] <Xera> error in snd_seq_open
[09:50] <Varjat_by> with sdl it is now sound at all
[09:51] <Tox> MDeadFishan: tnx it works
[09:53] <Varjat_by> Also a have a problem with LIRC + KWorld cx88xx tv card :)
[09:53] <Varjat_by> sudo modprobe lirc_gpio
[09:53] <Varjat_by> FATAL: Error inserting lirc_gpio (/lib/modules/2.6.17-10-386/misc/lirc_gpio.ko): Invalid request code
[09:54] <Varjat_by> And i can't understand wat does it mean
[09:54] <ubuntu> czesc
[09:54] <anouk> hello
[09:55] <dwidmann> I've got not a clue Varjat_by ... my infrared remote works very well :)
[09:55] <ubuntu> Jest kto z polski
[09:55] <ubuntu> ??
[09:55] <Varjat_by> I review the forums and saw, that you are not alone, as me..
[09:56] <Varjat_by> Jest ktos z Belarusi :)
[09:56] <anouk> yeah
[09:56] <MDeadFishan> Tox: I am glad to hear that :)
[09:56] <ubuntu> ja jestem z polski
[09:56] <ubuntu> ale moe si dogadamy varjat
[09:56] <MDeadFishan> Varjat_by: Regarding mplayer: No idea. Regarding the TV card: No idea either. :)
[09:56] <MDeadFishan> Varjat_by: Sorry, pal!
[09:57] <anouk> hello are you english
[09:57] <Varjat_by> MDeadFishan: Thanks! :)
[09:57] <anouk> i am holands
[09:57] <MDeadFishan> Varjat_by: Was the module complied against your current kernel?
[09:57] <ubuntu> I do speak polish
[09:57] <anouk> holands
[09:58] <ubuntu> English small
[09:58] <MDeadFishan> *compiled
[09:58] <anouk> i am from the nederland
[09:58] <apokryphos> ubotu: polish
[09:58] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[09:58] <apokryphos> ubotu: nl
[09:58] <ubotu> Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu (en vers gezette koffie) is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl
[09:58] <anouk> fuck you polihs
[09:59] <tony> hello..I have finally installed realplayer 10 on my kubuntu edgy OS...but when I go to play a real media video from firefox it says kaffeine starter plugin, launches kaffiene and gives me an error message...I know that the real media plugins are in te firefox plugin folder...why is it trying to open kaffeine?
[09:59] <ubuntu> I do know
[09:59] <ubuntu> :((((((((((((((((((((
[09:59] <HymnToLife> !language | anouk
[09:59] <ubotu> anouk: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:59] <k-osh> Anyone who can give some insight into this (http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2083/). I just did a test-install of Feisty and I feel that I probably should report the error to someone somewhere, but under what package? adept-common? Something else? Also, is it possible to solve the dependancy problem?
[09:59] <Riddell> anouk: don't be abusive
[09:59] <Varjat_by> MDeadFishan: of course..
[09:59] <anouk> srry thats was my brother
[10:00] <mena> HI! FREINDS ....i need to change permisions for my partitions ...What do to ?...
[10:00] <apokryphos> ubotu: permissions
[10:00] <ubotu> The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[10:01] <mena> thanks ...apokryphos
[10:01] <tony> any helpwould be much appreciated with my realplayer problem
[10:02] <anouk> i love engeland
[10:02] <anouk> end you
[10:03] <anouk> riddell are you a boy ore a girl
[10:03] <tony> anyone?
[10:04] <Tm_T> anouk: Definately neither one.
[10:04] <k-osh> tony: Upgrading to realplayer9?
[10:04] <Tm_T> anouk: Plastic and steel can't have gender.
[10:05] <tony> no no...I have installed realplayer 10 and the appropriate plugins for firefox...but when I go to a webpage and try to load a real media video firefox tries to use kaffeine and of course it doesn't work
[10:05] <mena> Iis there anyproblem if i nstalled opera browser
[10:05] <flaccid> mena: no
[10:05] <k-osh> tony: Realplayer10? Isn't Real9 just out for Linux?
[10:05] <anouk> why you talking about mi
[10:05] <tony> nope..realplayer 10 is out
[10:06] <mena> flaccid: thanks
[10:06] <jhutchins> k-osh: You're thinking Flash 9.
[10:06] <anouk> fuckyou
[10:06] <flaccid> anouk: just say where and when
[10:06] <k-osh> jhutchins: Right, I am. Thanks.
[10:06] <just-this-time> !language | anouk
[10:06] <ubotu> anouk: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:07] <k-osh> tony: Sorry, don't do much realplayer.
[10:07] <tony> no prob k-osh..anyone else know what I can do?
[10:08] <jhutchins> tony: Easiest thing is to go to that page, right click the link, specify Real, and tell it to rember your choice.
[10:08] <jhutchins> tony: Other than that, go into the config and edit the helper apps.(?)
[10:08] <faLUCE> Hi, how can I see if i have a serial port (i have a "packed" pc, and I can't open the box) ?
[10:09] <tony> ummm...ok...when I right click the link what option do I choose to select real?
[10:10] <k-osh> What to do about this? "The following packages have unmet dependencies:  gtk-qt-engine: Conflicts: gtk2-engines-gtk-qt (< 1:0.7-2) but 0.70-4ubuntu2 is to be installed."
[10:11] <k-osh> Hmm, installing gtk-qt-engine obviously isn't the solution (it removed gtk2-engines-gtk-qt) but still it won't work.
[10:11] <k-osh> And I still can't update the system.
[10:13] <k-osh> Is it common that aptitude dies during install? Also, shouldn't aptitude be able to overwrite a damn png which appears to be the problem.
[10:14] <faLUCE> i try to repeat: i have my PC "closed" in a container... Is there a way too see, trhough command line, it it has a serial port?
[10:14] <k-osh> Hmm, odd. Upgrade seems to work now. Dist-upgrade died every time. How quaint.
[10:16] <tobias_____> why does ktorrent not work good?
[10:16] <k-osh> faLUCE: perhaps lspci shows that. I doubt it though.
[10:16] <tobias_____> wow, there are lots of tobiases online
[10:16] <schlonzo> hey,,, can anybody tell me pls why automatiks dont start downloading anything?
[10:16] <tobias_1> :)
[10:17] <apokryphos> !automatix | schlonzo
[10:17] <ubotu> schlonzo: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[10:18] <Ayabara> I get "truecrypt: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by truecrypt)" when I try to run truecrypt. anyone know what's missing?
[10:19] <k-osh> hmm, faLUCE disappeared. I was going to suggest dmidecode. Seems to show what I need.
[10:19] <k-osh> what HE needs.
[10:21] <eMaX> hi all
[10:22] <eMaX> ne1 can help finding out what mdsnwikwbas08-pool16-a158.mdsnwikw.tds.net or 69.129.207.158 is? Someone tried to hack my server from that address yesterday and to me, "pool***" sounds like sort of an IP pool where someone may be interested what happens on his servers.
[10:22] <cloakable> eMaX: How do you know it was a hack?
[10:23] <Ayabara> anyone? how can I install GLIBC_2.4?
[10:23] <manchicken> eMaX: What exacty are you trying to do?
[10:23] <Reliant> bleh, McVelet is on:join spamming
[10:24] <eMaX> I kow it since I've tons of brute force attacks on my sshd failures in my messages
[10:24] <manchicken> Ayabara: Chances are you already have it installed.
[10:24] <k-osh> Ayabara: Are you sure that there isn't a LD_ASSUME_KERNEL or some annoying crap like that in the start-script. That can mess up a lot for you.
[10:24] <eMaX> I just want to tell someone over there that their system is being misused.
[10:24] <flipjarg> i've been trying different howto's all day trying to get my 5-Button IntelliMouse to work. Is there anyone who has had success getting theirs to work?
[10:25] <manchicken> eMaX: That's going to be a lot harder than you think.
[10:25] <k-osh> eMaX: Someones zombie windows machine. I wouldn't bother.
[10:25] <manchicken> eMaX: Just get a hardware firewall and be done with it.
[10:25] <eMaX> look at http://69.129.207.158 seems to be an awkward community.
time to sign up and start acting like an ass. remember: who you are and what you're worth is defined by what you do on this site. that and your pants.</quote>
[10:26] <Alvin_> If I print something to PDF, all characters are 'dancing' and are converted to images. I want to install gs-afpl or gs-gpl (anything that works), but how can I make that the default for the KDE PDF printer?
[10:26] <eMaX> anyway. I'm just too pissed of that my linux server for some reason went down yesterday and that was the first things I found
[10:27] <Ayabara> manchicken, k-osh, could be something there. maybe I should just download the source and build truecrypt myself
[10:27] <Reliant> I just did a fresh install of Ubuntu w/ KDE (kubuntu packages), and Firefox looks ugly. The white is so bright, pale blue comes off as white, the fonts are jagged, and there's colour bleeding :(
[10:27] <flipjarg> Does anyone know a tutorial that will work for getting a 5-Button Mouse to work in Edgy Eft?
[10:27] <flipjarg> i've tried and tried howto's and they don't work.
[10:28] <flipjarg> i need a good on.
[10:28] <flipjarg> one*
[10:29] <k-osh> Ayabara: Or have a look at the start-scripts. Also, what's the error msg?
[10:29] <jasondy> Hello all.
[10:30] <k-osh> Ayabara: Building from source can be a bit of a pain.
[10:30] <Ayabara> k-osh: "truecrypt: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by truecrypt)"
[10:30] <jasondy> i've been trying all day. Is there any howto out there to help me get a 5 button mouse to work with Edgy Eft?
[10:31] <k-osh> Ayabara: is there a file in /lib/tls.... on your machine?
[10:31] <k-osh> Ayabara: And what are you trying to run when you get the error?
[10:32] <Ayabara> k-osh, there are some files with version number 2.3.6 there. I'm trying to mount an encrypted truecrypt volume
[10:33] <Ayabara> k-osh, how can I check my kernel version?
[10:33] <k-osh> Ayabara: So you're running "mount"? Is the file  /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 there?
[10:33] <k-osh> Ayabara: uname -a
[10:34] <Ayabara> k-osh, 2.6.15-26-386. is that the latest one?
[10:34] <cryptom> Hi, is there a linux tool to convert mp3 -> wav?
[10:34] <Ayabara> k-osh, not mount exactly. do you know truecrypt?
[10:35] <k-osh> Ayabara: I know it's a good way to hide porn but I haven't used it myself. ;-)
[10:35] <Ayabara> k-osh, :D
[10:36] <k-osh> Ayabara: Dunno which kernel is the latest one. Depends on what dist you're running and a few other things.
[10:36] <Ayabara> k-osh, actually this time it is a file containing my passwords :-)
[10:36] <Ayabara> I'm running edgy, so I thought I should've had 2.6.17
[10:36] <k-osh> Ayabara: Right. You need an encrypted VOLUME to hide passwords. It's not like an encrypted file will do. I get it... ;-)
[10:36] <dwidmann> latest in edgy is indeed 2.6.17
[10:37] <dwidmann> (more like only in edgy really)
[10:39] <Ayabara> dwidmann, then it's weird that I have 2.6.15. Maybe I have installed dapper instead of edgy :)
[10:39] <k-osh> Ayabara: cat /etc/issue
[10:40] <dwidmann> or lsb_release -a
[10:40] <nagyv> I get an error that the sound output is used, so I can not play any sounds. How can I find out the program that uses it?
[10:40] <Ayabara> k-osh, dwidmann, now _this: is embarassing....
[10:40] <cj_>  im trying to burn a Mp3 Cd, but K3b  says its not suppoerted? any idea how to fix that?
[10:41] <k-osh> dwidmann: Good tip. Didn't know about lsb_release. =)
[10:41] <Ayabara> k-osh, dwidmann, mislabeled my cd and watched a movie while installing. I have dapper.....
[10:41] <dwidmann> whoops?
[10:41] <k-osh> Ayabara: And trying to install an "Edgy" package on it?
[10:41] <Ayabara> dwidmann, indeed
[10:41] <Ayabara> k-osh, hmm. nothing to lose :-)
[10:42] <k-osh> !mp3
[10:42] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:42] <dwidmann> cj_ you'll need to install the lame package, I think
[10:42] <cj_> :(
[10:42] <dwidmann> "sudo aptitude install lame"
[10:42] <cj_> mmk
[10:42] <cj_> lol
[10:42] <k-osh> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2083/ . Is it possible to solve the dependancy problem?
[10:45] <Ayabara> k-osh, dwidmann, trying an upgrade now. thanks for helping me see my mistakes :-)
[10:46] <k-osh> Ayabara: Good luck with that. My dapper to edgy didn't go all that well. Seems like the disks didn't get labeled. Ho hum.
[10:47] <k-osh> dwidmann: Is 64-bit ok to run now. Last I checked I couldn't watch movies in it, unless I did some ugly chroot-thingy.
[10:47] <dwidmann> k-osh, it hasn't been like that since breezy
[10:47] <nagyv> Ayabara: mine neither, after a while I get a stabel system, but still I decided to reinstall everything, and this was a really good choice
[10:47] <Ayabara> k-osh, did you do the Distribution Upgrade from dapper -> edgy or install edgy from disc?
[10:47] <k-osh> Ayabara: dapper->edgy.
[10:47] <dwidmann> support was greatly improved in dapper
[10:47] <Ayabara> nagyv, ok. I have a clean system, so I'll take your advice and install from my disc
[10:48] <Ayabara> that's it for me. thank you and good night guys
[10:48] <nagyv> bye
[10:48] <k-osh> dwidmann: So a _64-mplayer will play anything I throw at it?
[10:49] <k-osh> or vlc or whatever
[10:49] <mena> Is The better To do Full Upgrade Form th adept Manager
[10:49] <mena> ?
[10:51] <mena> flaccid:  Is The better To do Full Upgrade Form th adept Manager ........
[10:51] <dwidmann> k-osh, you'll probably need to install a 32-bit mplayer for it, easy in dapper, not so in edgy. Else, if all you're really looking for is wmv support, it's in mplayer 1.0RC and later
[10:52] <k-osh> dwidmann: ok. now I'm off to bed.
[10:52] <k-osh> g'nite guys
[10:52] <dwidmann> good night
[10:52] <flaccid> mena: upgrade of what?
[10:53] <mena> flaccid:  i dont i just do update to the adeptand after that i found apply changes (that appear becouse of me i mean choose thing without know or this happened by itself)
[10:55] <mena> flaccid: if you dont get it no problem becmy english is not good
[10:56] <flaccid> mena: what are you upgrading?
[10:57] <mena> flaccid: i simply dont know in any i cancel it and i will look in itagain if i had a problem i will telll you ......:)
[10:58] <flaccid> ok
[10:58] <flaccid> i still dont know what you are doing, but ok
[10:58] <mena> flaccid: ok thanks
[10:58] <nagyv> I get an error that the sound output is used, so I can not play any sounds. How can I find out the program that uses it?
[10:58] <flaccid> if you are upgrading to edgy. i recommend doing a fresh install instead.
[10:58] <mena> flaccid: no no no i am edgy
[10:59] <mena> i am talking about the adept manager
[10:59] <raf> hello, I have an Ubuntu box with phpMp, a media player via web which uses MPD, this one has a set of speakers; I have a Kubuntu box, without speaker, Can I play music in my kubuntu box and listen to it in the Ubuntu box via MPD?
[11:00] <mena> flaccid: i found in it full upgrade then i press on itthen nothing happened after that i found apply changes then i press then i come to ask you in any way i will tell you if there is any problem .....in any way thanks for you help
[11:01] <mena> flaccid: about the adept
[11:02] <flaccid> i wouldn't use adept to a dist-upgrade
[11:02] <flaccid> if you are on edgy, i have no idea what you are doing. probably best to learn some english first.
[11:05] <Tobias_1> testing my kopete yay!
[11:05] <Tobias_1> someone say something
[11:05] <DeadFishMan> Tobias_1: something!
[11:06] <DeadFishMan> XD
[11:06] <flaccid> something
[11:06] <Tobias_1> yay!
[11:06] <Tobias_1> it works :D
[11:06] <Tobias_1> no more konversation
[11:06] <Tobias_1> kopete all the way
[11:07] <DeadFishMan> Tobias_1: Does it support DCC file transfers?
[11:07] <Tobias_1> hmm
[11:07] <Tobias_1> I dont know, I just started trying it out
[11:07] <Tobias_1> it looks nicer
[11:07] <dwidmann> I ran into memory leaks with Kopete for IRC :(
[11:07] <Tobias_1> and it works with my msn and jabber accounts, so its an all in one experience
[11:07] <Tobias_1> it probably works with dcc
[11:09] <Tobias_1> oh yes! dcc works!
[11:09] <Tobias_1> Im just not registered
[11:09] <DeadFishMan> Tobias_1: Somehow, I don't want to use my IM client to IRC. It feels like I'm using a screwdriver to hit on a nail, ya know? :)
[11:09] <Tobias_1> hehe
[11:09] <DeadFishMan> Tobias_1: And that comes from a guy which is absolutely in love with Kopete!
[11:09] <Tobias_1> it works
[11:11] <D7k> so how difficult is it to use an airport extreme card in an ibook g4 on kubuntu
[11:15] <dwidmann> d7k, the crickets have officially chirped at your question, I recommend asking on the ubuntuforums in the ppc users section
[11:23] <bronze_0_1> Hi, sorry to bother y'all. I've forgotten the command to find out what package provides something. For example if i wanted to find out what package provides Adobe reader, what command do I use?
[11:24] <mindspin> apt-cache show acrobat ?
[11:24] <bronze_0_1> mindspin: thank you
[11:25] <manchicken> Why do you want to run acroread?
[11:26] <bronze_0_1> well, I'm using Kpdf right now and its very slow. paainfully slow
[11:26] <manchicken> I've found just the opposite.
[11:27] <bronze_0_1> manchicken: I'm looking at a 287 page document
[11:27] <manchicken> Is that all ^_6
[11:28] <bronze_0_1> each time I go to the next page I get chicken feet hash, not text for about 2 seconds.  Thats slow to me.  acrobat has been consistently better.
[11:29] <NinjjaX> existe algum bom canal sobre kubuntu brasileiro?!
[11:30] <manchicken> !it | NinjjaX
[11:30] <ubotu> NinjjaX: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:30] <manchicken> Or was that portugese/
[11:30] <manchicken> !pr | NinjjaX
[11:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:30] <NinjjaX> thanks...
[11:30] <manchicken> Grumble....
[11:30] <manchicken> np
[11:31] <brandon__> can someone tell me an application like nero that will burn bin files for dvd movies.. like a program that takes little or no hassle.
[11:31] <mindspin> k3b?
[11:31] <manchicken> bronze_0_1: Perhaps I'm just biased against proprietary software, but acroread does have ads in it.
[11:32] <bronze_0_1> heh. they must not be working. I've never noticed them :-)
[11:32] <manchicken> See the search box?
[11:32] <gruggo> Hey, I need some help to install Amsn, it doesn't work when i write "sudo apt-get install amsn" :(
[11:33] <Tobias_1> what is amsn?
[11:33] <Tobias_1> and why dont you use adept
[11:33] <Tobias_1> adept rocks
[11:33] <Tobias_1> :)
[11:33] <gruggo> ..amsn:)
[11:33] <manchicken> w00t!  Adept!
[11:33] <flaccid> !amsn
[11:33] <ubotu> amsn: An MSN messenger written in tcl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.95-2.1 (edgy), package size 2261 kB, installed size 7752 kB
[11:33] <gruggo> ..hey wait.. Sweden?
[11:33] <Tobias_1> oy
[11:33] <Tobias_1> use kopete instead
[11:33] <flaccid> gruggo: do you have universe enabled?
[11:33] <Tobias_1> norway! :)
[11:34] <Tobias_1> representing the northpole we are
[11:34] <gruggo> universe?
[11:34] <flaccid> norway != northpole :)
[11:34] <manchicken> Mmm... kopete...
[11:34] <flaccid> !universe > gruggo
[11:34] <gruggo> I sould let you know that i'm new on linux :P
[11:34] <FreddyM> whats the command to update grub
[11:34] <flaccid> gruggo: cool start learning :)
[11:34] <flaccid> FreddyM: update-grub
[11:35] <gruggo> ...yeah^o) But still, how do I get amsn installed?^o)
[11:35] <fjellrev1> Tobias_1: use kopete, I used amsn until I understood how good kopete is
[11:35] <fjellrev1> gruggo i mean :)
[11:35] <FreddyM> flaccid: oops, i was trying grub-update
[11:35] <flaccid> gruggo: did ubotu message you about universe?
[11:35] <flaccid> !universe
[11:35] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:35] <gruggo> I don't get it^o)
[11:35] <flaccid> ^^^ read that gruggo and that will help you
[11:35] <gruggo> thx xD
[11:35] <flaccid> gruggo: you couldn't have read that in less than 30 seconds
[11:35] <DeadFishMan> gruggo: Try sudo apt-get install amsn
[11:36] <flaccid> DeadFishMan: gruggo already tried that. probably needs universe enabled first.
[11:36] <Tobias_1> I use kopete
[11:36] <flaccid> i use kopete as well
[11:36] <DeadFishMan> gruggo: But you will need to follow the instructions in the link that ubotu gave to you to know how to enable universe repositories first
[11:36] <Tobias_1> kopete rocks
[11:36] <DeadFishMan> flaccid: I realized that too late :)
[11:37] <flaccid> heheh
[11:37] <Tobias_1> im on 5 different networks with my kopete
[11:37] <flaccid> at least my cup of tea tastes good
[11:37] <flaccid> i just use 3
[11:37] <flaccid> i'd only use 1 if people didn't use msn
[11:37] <flaccid> msn is woeful
[11:37] <Tobias_1> kopete has msn support :)
[11:38] <flaccid> it sure does
[11:38] <brandon__> bin to iso app?
[11:38] <Tobias_1> !iso
[11:38] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[11:38] <Tobias_1> !bin
[11:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:38] <Tobias_1> I dont kno man
[11:39] <flaccid> brandon__: google should help there
[11:39] <brandon__> im looking
[11:39] <Tobias_1> I think the !iso part helps
[11:39] <Tobias_1> look on that page
[11:39] <Tobias_1> maybe
[11:39] <brandon__> everything seems to be scripts and command line stuff
[11:39] <flaccid> your right bin2iso is on that info page
[11:39] <galorin> brandon__, I think there is a program called bin2iso that'll do it, it's in a repository somewhere, multiverse I think..
[11:40] <Tobias_1> :)
[11:40] <flaccid> !bin2iso
[11:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bin2iso - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:40] <flaccid> !find bin2iso
[11:40] <ubotu> Package/file bin2iso does not exist in edgy
[11:40] <flaccid> doesn't look like ubuntu packages it
[11:41] <flaccid> looks like you'll have to compile the c
[11:41] <flaccid> as per the page no biggie
[11:45] <dope> LAMP doesn't have an ftp server does it?
[11:47] <DeadFishMan> dope: Don't know, but you can always add PureFTPd to the mix. You can even use MySQL to authenticate ftp connections afterwards.
[11:47] <HymnToLife> LAMP is Linux, Apache, PHP, MySQL
[11:47] <HymnToLife> no FTP
[11:47] <flaccid> dope: lamp has nothing to do with ftp servers
[11:48] <dope> yea i didn't think so
[11:48] <HymnToLife> but you can very welk install a FTP server on the same machine if you want
[11:48] <dope> i would like to do that
[11:48] <flaccid> ubuntu also has vsftpd and proftpd available
[11:48] <dope> any reccomendations?
[11:48] <flaccid> i also recommend proftpd
[11:48] <HymnToLife> !vsftpd
[11:48] <ubotu> vsftpd: The Very Secure FTP Daemon. In component main, is extra. Version 2.0.4-0ubuntu5 (edgy), package size 109 kB, installed size 408 kB
[11:48] <dope> ok cool
[11:48] <DeadFishMan> Sorry! PureFTPd = ProFTPd
[11:49] <dope> uh so which one do i get
[11:49] <HymnToLife> but beware, if you want to conect via FTP from the net
[11:49] <HymnToLife> the password is sent in clear text so don't use a sudo account
[11:49] <dope> can i use ssl?
[11:50] <HymnToLife> maybe, I personally use FTP over SSH (aka SFTP)
[11:50] <DeadFishMan> dope: If you know how to use SSL, then you could just use OpenSSH with scp
[11:50] <dope> hmm
[11:50] <DeadFishMan> dope: SFTP is also a good choice
[11:50] <flaccid> either is fine and yes you can set up ssl
[11:50] <dope> i have openssh installed on the comp
[11:50] <HymnToLife> which I prefer over SCP since most standard FTP clients support SFTP too
[11:51] <dope> i stil need ftp software though right?
[11:51] <flaccid> sux if the server don't support it
[11:51] <flaccid> you need an ftp server to serve, an ftp client to connect to a server
[11:51] <DeadFishMan> HymnToLife: That's a moot point IMHO because Windows has at least one good SCP client - WinSCP - while *nix users can always use the goold old fish:// kio slave :)
[11:51] <HymnToLife> the sandard SSH server that comes with Ubuntu does SFTP too
[11:51] <HymnToLife> !openssh-server
[11:51] <ubotu> openssh-server: Secure shell server, an rshd replacement. In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.3p2-5ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 212 kB, installed size 552 kB
[11:52] <dope> i styped sftp://ip in konqueror and it worked
[11:52] <flaccid> hmm fish isn't ftp :)
[11:52] <dope> typed8
[11:52] <dope> *
[11:52] <HymnToLife> DeadFishMan, FileZilla is a very good SFTP client for Windows
[11:52] <dope> so it's workin? :D
[11:52] <dope> i'd like to limit access to one folder
[11:52] <dope> htdocs folder
[11:52] <flaccid> krusader is a must!
[11:52] <flaccid> !krusader
[11:52] <ubotu> krusader: twin-panel (commander-style) file manager for KDE (and other desktops). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.70.1-1 (edgy), package size 2547 kB, installed size 6940 kB
[11:53] <DeadFishMan> HymnToLife: Good to know. Has been a while since the last time that I used FileZilla
[11:53] <dope> yea i got that
[11:54] <dope> ok so if i use pureftpd i can setup user acccounts and restrict them to a folder?
[11:54] <DeadFishMan> dope: I know that ProFTPd allos one to specify what would be the root directory from the FTP user point of view. Don't remember the details, but I pretty sure that it does.
[11:55] <dope> ok then proftpd it is
[11:56] <dope> - IPv6 getaddrinfo 'dope-laptop' error: Name or service not known
[11:56] <dope> i get that when starting proftpd
[11:57] <HymnToLife> disable IPv6 in the config, maybe ?
[11:57] <DeadFishMan> dope: You might want to take a look into their website for detailed instructions about how to set it up
[11:58] <dope> yea that'd probably be helpful :)
[11:58] <DeadFishMan> :)
[11:59] <mefisto_> somebody here O_O
[11:59] <Taime1> i installe dmy nvidia drivers using automatix, and im sure it was successful, i even have an nvidia splash at bootup now. BUT WHEN i open google earthy, it tells me that it cant recognize my video card.. whats up with that?
[11:59] <bjraz> how do I install a .deb file manually?
[12:00] <yuriy> bjraz: dpkg -i nameoffile.deb
[12:00] <HymnToLife> !deb bjraz
[12:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about deb bjraz - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:00] <yuriy> Taime1: does glxgears work?
[12:00] <yuriy> !deb
[12:00] <ubotu> deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[12:00] <Taime1> whats that yuriy
[12:00] <Taime1> ?
[12:01] <dope> hmm
[12:01] <bjraz> HymnToLife: Thank you, I'll tell you ir it works
[12:01] <yuriy> Taime1: it's a little program that shows you 3d gears. useful for checking if your graphics work. just type that in the run dialog or in konsole
[12:03] <Taime1> crap, i wont be able to till i get home... i do know that none of my screen savers were working
[12:04] <bjraz> HymnToLife: yes it wroked, I was upgrading a file, is there a special command for that?
[12:05] <Taime1> now, yuriy, assuming glxgears doesnt work, (and im assuming it wont) what can i do to fix this? nvidia configuration tools in synaptic??
[12:05] <HymnToLife> bjraz, what do you mean "upgrading a file" ?
[12:07] <bjraz> HymnToLife: my libc file was 2.4, I was updating it t 2.5
[12:07] <bjraz> HymnToLife: *libc6
[12:07] <bjraz> I'm in Failsafe mode
[12:08] <HymnToLife> bjraz, no Internet connection ?
[12:09] <yuriy> Taime1: i don't really have any ideas.  how did you install the driver?
[12:09] <yuriy> nvm you said that
[12:09] <Taime1> i used automatix
[12:09] <Taime1> it was the only way i could get it to install
[12:10] <bjraz> Hyymn: no, the update server that kubuntu is set to look at hasn't been updated
[12:10] <JuJuBee> Anybody have an idea / suggestion as to simple/easy way to change network settings when switching from work to home and visa versa?
[12:10] <JuJuBee> I try to use locations in network-admin, but it takes tooooo loooong.
[12:12] <JuJuBee> I also need to know how to add a route to the routing tables permanently for a particular location.  I get tired of doing it manually every time I restart my computer at work.
[12:13] <JuJuBee> Now I do sudo route add -net 172.16.0.0/16 eth0
[12:13] <bjraz> HymnToLife: the server that apt-get looks at doesn't have the update
[12:14] <bjraz> or adept or what ever you use
[12:14] <sleepy495> My Edgy 6.10 hangs when I try to shut it down