=== mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #launchpad === belito [n=user@201.240.84.167] has joined #launchpad === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #launchpad === poolie_ [n=mbp@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === poolie_ is now known as poolie === Keybuk [n=scott@169.222.10.235] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@169.222.11.203] has joined #launchpad === Keybuk [n=scott@169.222.10.235] has joined #launchpad === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #launchpad === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #launchpad === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-072-026.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #launchpad === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.48.78.117] has joined #launchpad === doko_ is now known as doko [01:49] zZzZ === Keybuk [n=scott@169.222.10.235] has joined #launchpad === freet15 [n=freet15@61.48.78.117] has joined #launchpad === Keybuk [n=scott@169.222.10.235] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.13.78.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@169.222.11.203] has joined #launchpad === Trickser [n=sergio@p54A5D6A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad === _thumper_ [n=tim@125-236-184-172.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #launchpad === mholthaus [n=mholthau@224.177.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #launchpad === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #launchpad === jamesh [n=james@169.222.11.234] has joined #launchpad === der_steppenwolf [n=sergio@p54A5D10D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad === _thumper_ is now known as thumper === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-135-240.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@169.222.11.203] has joined #launchpad === jkakar [n=jkakar@204-174-36-228.unknown-dhcp802.dsl.ucc-net.ca] has joined #launchpad === Bhaskar [n=Bhaskar@202.79.37.177] has joined #launchpad === Bhaskar [n=Bhaskar@202.79.37.177] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@169.222.11.203] has joined #launchpad [05:25] can any one help me, while running schooltool server the following error appears:Reading configuration from /usr/local/schooltool/schooltool/schooltool/schooltool.conf [05:25] Traceback (most recent call last): [05:25] File "schooltool-server.py", line 60, in ? [05:25] schooltool.app.main.StandaloneServer().main() [05:25] File "/usr/local/schooltool/schooltool/schooltool/src/schooltool/app/main.py", line 494, in main [05:25] db = self.setup(options) [05:25] File "/usr/local/schooltool/schooltool/schooltool/src/schooltool/app/main.py", line 521, in setup [05:25] self.configure() [05:25] File "/usr/local/schooltool/schooltool/schooltool/src/schooltool/app/main.py", line 368, in configure [05:25] context = zope.configuration.xmlconfig.file( [05:25] File "/usr/local/schooltool/schooltool/schooltool/Zope3/src/zope/configuration/xmlconfig.py", line 579, in file [05:25] include(context, name, package) [05:25] File "/usr/local/schooltool/schooltool/schooltool/Zope3/src/zope/configuration/xmlconfig.py", line 515, in include [05:25] processxmlfile(f, context) [05:25] File "/usr/local/schooltool/schooltool/schooltool/Zope3/src/zope/configuration/xmlconfig.py", line 370, in processxmlfile [05:25] parser.parse(src) [05:25] File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/_xmlplus/sax/expatreader.py", line 109, in parse [05:25] xmlreader.IncrementalParser.parse(self, source) [05:25] File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/_xmlplus/sax/xmlreader.py", line 123, in parse [05:25] self.feed(buffer) [05:25] File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/_xmlplus/sax/expatreader.py", line 216, in feed [05:25] self._parser.Parse(data, isFinal) [05:25] File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/_xmlplus/sax/expatreader.py", line 364, in end_element_ns [05:25] self._cont_handler.endElementNS(pair, None) [05:25] File "/usr/local/schooltool/schooltool/schooltool/Zope3/src/zope/configuration/xmlconfig.py", line 349, in endElementNS [05:25] self.context.end() [05:26] File "/usr/local/schooltool/schooltool/schooltool/Zope3/src/zope/configuration/config.py", line 544, in end [05:26] self.stack.pop().finish() [05:26] File "/usr/local/schooltool/schooltool/schooltool/Zope3/src/zope/configuration/config.py", [05:30] any one can solve my problem pls wellcome:Reading configuration from /usr/local/schooltool/schooltool/schooltool/schooltoo l.conf [05:30] Traceback (most recent call last): [05:30] File "schooltool-server.py", line 60, in ? [05:30] schooltool.app.main.StandaloneServer().main() [05:30] File "/usr/local/schooltool/schooltool/schooltool/src/schooltool/app/main.py", line 494, in main [05:30] db = self.setup(options) [05:30] File "/usr/local/schooltool/schooltool/schooltool/src/schooltool/app/main.py", line 521, in setup [05:30] self.configure() [05:30] File "/usr/local/schooltool/schooltool/schooltool/src/schooltool/app/main.py", line 368, in configure [05:30] context = zope.configuration.xmlconfig.file( === jml [n=jml@tempt016.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #launchpad [05:30] File "/usr/local/schooltool/schooltool/schooltool/Zope3/src/zope/configuration /xmlconfig.py", line 579, in file [05:30] include(context, name, package) [05:30] File "/usr/local/schooltool/schooltool/schooltool/Zope3/src/zope/configuration /xmlconfig.py", line 515, in include [05:30] processxmlfile(f, context) [05:30] File "/usr/local/schooltool/schooltool/schooltool/Zope3/src/zope/configuration /xmlconfig.py", line 370, in processxmlfile [05:30] parser.parse(src) [05:30] File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/_xmlplus/sax/expatreader.py", line 109, in parse [05:30] xmlreader.IncrementalParser.parse(self, source) [05:30] File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/_xmlplus/sax/xmlreader.py", line 123, i n parse [05:30] self.feed(buffer) [05:30] File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/_xmlplus/sax/expatreader.py", line 216, in feed [05:30] self._parser.Parse(data, isFinal) [05:30] File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/_xmlplus/sax/expatreader.py", line 364, in end_element_ns [05:30] self._cont_handler.endElementNS(pair, None) [05:30] File "/usr/local/schooltool/schooltool/schooltool/Zope3/src/zope/configuration /xmlconfig.py", line 349, in endElementNS [05:30] self.context.end() [05:31] File "/usr/local/schooltool/schooltool/schooltool/Zope3/src/zope/configuration /config.py", line 544, in end [05:31] self.stack.pop().finish() [05:31] File "/usr/local/schooltool/schooltool/schooltool/Zope3/src/zope/configuration /config.py", line 692, in finish [05:31] a [05:43] Bhaskar, this channel is for Launchpad [05:43] mpt:it is also related with schooltool, so [05:43] It is? [05:44] I know Schooltool is using Launchpad as its bug tracker [05:44] but lots of things use Launchpad as their bug tracker [05:45] That doesn't make #launchpad a good channel to discuss their code in :-) [05:45] mpt: ok, thanks [05:47] Try in #schooltool (which I see you've been in before) [05:50] mpt: well === ddaa [n=ddaa@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has left #launchpad [] [06:10] spiv or thumper, what does it mean to get "unhashable instance" from a pagetest? [06:12] https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/file004CBH.html [06:25] mpt: not sure sorry === jml [n=jml@tempt016.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.13.78.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === jamesh [n=james@169.222.11.234] has joined #launchpad === quail [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #launchpad === quail [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #launchpad === freet15 [n=freet15@61.48.78.65] has joined #launchpad === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad === jkakar [n=jkakar@204-174-36-228.unknown-dhcp802.dsl.ucc-net.ca] has joined #launchpad === jelmer [n=jelmer@a62-251-123-16.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #launchpad === quail [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #launchpad === SnkBite [n=SnkBite@212.25.63.61] has joined #launchpad === jamesh [n=james@169.222.11.234] has joined #launchpad === mmedland [n=matt@81.168.72.134] has joined #launchpad [09:15] jamesh: ping [09:17] thumper: hi [09:20] jamesh: is renaming a bzr branch as simple as renaming the directory? [09:20] and if it is how do you set the nickname? [09:20] do you know? [09:21] I was meaning to ask this on #bzr but started in the wrong window === carlos [n=carlos@79.Red-83-39-143.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad [09:37] morning === Bhaskar [n=Bhaskar@202.79.37.177] has joined #launchpad === matthewrevell [n=matthew@62-30-68-101.cable.ubr05.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@mail.foredil.it] has joined #launchpad === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.8.2.80.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === jonti [n=john@88-106-171-122.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #launchpad === kasina [n=dillan@212.49.81.158] has joined #launchpad [10:51] hi [10:51] um, hi [10:52] I'd wish to create a new translation group for Swahili but have no idea how to go about it. Any guides? [10:53] carlos: around? [10:53] seb128: hi [10:53] hey :) [10:53] carlos: do you have any spec about having a .desktop section on rosetta? [10:53] kasina: Please, read help.launchpad.net/RosettaFAQ [10:53] THanks Carlos [10:54] seb128: .desktop section == translate all .desktop files in a single place? [10:54] carlos: rather a place where to collect .desktop and translate them, but not only for things with language-pack [10:54] seb128: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rosetta/+spec/rosetta-desktopfile-ui [10:54] carlos: lot of packages have no .desktop (especially non-modern-desktop apps) [10:55] seb128: that's an spec to extract all messages in Rosetta for a distro and show it as a 'virtual' .pot file [10:55] carlos: MOTU tend to add .desktop locally to the package, but they are not translated that way [10:55] carlos: would be nice to have a place where to upload those .desktop and "recolt" translations version to use for the package [10:55] not sure if my description is clear [10:55] seb128: so you want native support for .desktop files in Rosetta [10:56] those packages don't use language packs, they want to ship a menu item and we don't want them non-translated [10:56] in the same way we support .pot and will support soon .xpi ones [10:56] right? [10:56] right [10:56] seb128: who will collect those files and deploy them ? [10:56] we can import them automatically in Rosetta like we do with .po and .pot files [10:57] but the other way... will they be included in language packs? [10:57] no [10:57] well, read what I just wrote [10:58] basically those are .desktop added locally to universe packages, and that would be nice to have a way for translators to translate them [10:58] having translator sending patches for the package is not manageable [10:58] so MOTU people will get back those translations [10:58] manually [10:58] right [10:58] they would upload the desktop or note the string [10:58] I was told that they cannot handle that, and that's the reason why we don't import universe packages.... [10:58] and next time they update the package would grab the translated .desktop from rosetta by hand [10:58] and update the debian/app.desktop [10:59] well, they insist adding a .desktop for packages which don't have a menu entry [10:59] and I'm against adding random item with no translation [10:59] I'm trying to figure how we could get translations for those without too much work [10:59] and that's the best idea I had for now === persia [n=persia@p3159-ipbf1401marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #launchpad [11:00] seb128: what you ask me is possible, yes [11:01] do you think that would be a good idea? [11:01] seb128: thought I wonder whether we should implement https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/language-packs-for-universe and finish that issue once per all... [11:01] would you like to talk about it for next UDS, like should somebody register a spec? [11:01] I'm against language pack for universe [11:01] we already talked about that ;) [11:02] seb128: language pack for universe is not what we have in main [11:02] but a per package solution [11:02] so you only get translations for the applications you already have installed [11:02] no wasted space [11:03] how would it work? [11:03] that's why it's not yet implemented, because it's not trivial [11:03] (I probably need to read the spec) [11:03] seb128: the spec is not finished [11:04] but more or less you could get the idea (forget about the suggestion we do at the end of the spec, Mark rejected it) [11:13] exit === kasina [n=dillan@212.49.81.158] has left #launchpad [] === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #launchpad === matsubara [n=matsubar@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === stereo_ [n=stereo@mail.collax.com] has joined #launchpad === mattl [n=mattl@gnu/webmaster/mattl] has joined #launchpad === mattl [n=mattl@gnu/webmaster/mattl] has left #launchpad ["Ex-Chat"] === persia [n=persia@p3159-ipbf1401marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has left #launchpad [] === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #launchpad === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@201.11.214.142] has joined #launchpad === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #launchpad === quail [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #launchpad === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.134.167] has joined #launchpad === jinty [n=jinty@196.207.32.235] has joined #launchpad === cprov-out is now known as cprov === salgado [n=salgado@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [12:40] New bug: #80424 in malone "[[edgy] epiphany freezes with dbus error message" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80424 === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #launchpad [12:41] jamesh: remember to promote the XML import as a way for projects to get their data /out of/ Launchpad aswell...! [12:41] s/import/import format/ === ddaa [n=ddaa@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad [12:52] launchpad meeting in 7 minutes [12:53] goood morning launchpad [12:57] morning static ! === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-135-240.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad [12:59] mpt: Do you have a .svg file of the new Launchpad rocket? === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable207.210-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [01:00] meeting time! [01:00] matthewrevell, no [01:00] welcome to this week's launchpad development meeting [01:00] who is here today? [01:00] me [01:00] me [01:00] me [01:00] me [01:00] the computer which runs kiko's script is booting up [01:00] me [01:00] me [01:00] me [01:00] me [01:00] salgado: X-) [01:00] me [01:00] me [01:00] salgado: so kiko's a script!?! [01:01] me [01:01] ddaa: he has a script to say 'me' and 'up to date' [01:01] ddaa, no, but he has one to represent him on meetings [01:01] == Agenda == [01:01] * Roll call [01:01] * Agenda [01:01] * Next meeting [01:01] * Activity reports [01:01] * Actions from last meeting [01:01] * Oops report (Matsubara) [01:01] * Bug report (mpt) [01:01] * Bug tags [01:02] * Production and staging (Stuart) [01:02] * Launchpad 1.0 status reports [01:02] * Sysadmin requests [01:02] ---- [01:02] * Top two user-affecting issues as identified by MatthewRevell [01:02] * Everyone to do new work on the new UI (Kiko/Steve) [01:02] * (other items) [01:02] ---- [01:02] * Three sentences [01:02] [01:02] next meeting, same time next week [01:02] anyone won't be here then? [01:02] i will probably not be her [01:02] not me [01:02] I'll be on vacation === kiko [n=kiko@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === stu1 is now known as stub [01:02] i'll be at the distro sprint [01:03] me [01:03] I will be on a tropical island off the coast of borneo [01:03] remember to fill in the "apologies" section on the meeting agenda page [01:03] kiko: you will be absent next week? [01:03] And I'm not apologizing for that :) [01:03] I will not be absent [01:03] what the hell is wrong with my xchat? === kiko_ [n=kiko@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [01:03] * Activity reports [01:04] == People who were lax with activity reporting last week == [01:04] * danilos: "missing two for last week's thursday and friday" [01:04] * jamesh [01:04] * kiko [01:04] * mpt === kiko_ is now known as kiko [01:04] * spiv [01:04] * static: "missing last two days, will send today" [01:04] * SteveA [01:04] me [01:04] I continue to be slack with activity reports. [01:04] up to date [01:04] (sorry, got distracted) [01:04] who can do better than that? [01:04] I didn't do mine this week [01:04] uptodate (just sent yesterday's) [01:04] up to date [01:04] up to date [01:04] up to date [01:04] up to date [01:04] up to date [01:04] not up to date [01:04] I suck, 1 week behind [01:04] up to date [01:04] I am up to date (batching), except those same two days from week before last [01:05] stub: ? [01:05] up to date, two days sloppy but in. [01:06] is that everyone? [01:06] * Actions from last meeting [01:06] * SteveA and thumper to arrange a call about dbschema refactoring [01:06] done [01:06] * kiko to talk to matsubara about matsubara delegating his Oops-reporting responsibilities when he is away [01:06] I did that. [01:06] * carlos, cprov, salgado, and SteveA to read https://help.launchpad.net/CreatingYourLaunchpadAccount [01:06] * kiko to read https://help.launchpad.net/FixItFriday [01:06] I read [01:06] I read [01:06] I did that too [01:06] I did not read. Bad me. [01:06] I read [01:07] I read [01:07] thanks everyone. except me. [01:07] * Oops report (Matsubara) [01:07] Today's oops report is about bugs 50616, 44919, 78522 [01:07] Malone bug 50616 in launchpad "ValueError while validating image file using Python Imaging Lib" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50616 [01:07] Malone bug 44919 in launchpad "UnicodeDecodeError while POSTing forms with non-ascii characters." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44919 - Assigned to Bjrn Tillenius (bjornt) [01:07] not that I didn't before :) [01:07] Malone bug 78522 in launchpad-bazaar "xmlrpc failure shouldn't include exception details" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78522 [01:07] salgado, can you take 50616? [01:07] thumper, can you take bug 78522?. [01:07] More importantly about bug 78522 is the fact that the xmlrpc UI bypasses any validator. Shouldn't we have a common validation infrastructure that shares code between the web ui and xmlrpc UI? [01:08] Bjorn, bug 44919 still occurs. It seems to happen only for IE6.0 users, after your patch that added the accept-charset to the templates where the bug is triggered. Is it difficult to fix zope as you suggested in the bug report? [01:08] BjornT: ^ [01:08] matsubara, yeah, I can probably take it [01:08] thanks salgado [01:08] matsubara: for 50616, I think we should try-except, and such images should be rejected as invalid [01:08] agreed. that's what I had in mind [01:08] but we should also record the fact they were rejected, and the image involved [01:09] just in this case, not in the general case [01:09] I'll add that to the report SteveA [01:09] thanks matsubara [01:09] matsubara: i think it will be quite easy to at least fix the affected pages. but i'm not sure what's the right thing to do is [01:11] BjornT: jamesh's suggestion in the bug seems sane. isn't that enough? reject the input with an error message? [01:11] matsubara: I don't get what you mean about the xmlrpc stuff [01:11] matsubara: I'd like to talk with you about this later [01:12] hmm thumper isn't here to coment on 78522 [01:12] because it may tie into other xmlrpc stuff [01:12] matsubara: call later today? [01:12] SteveA: sure. [01:12] ok === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [01:13] SteveA: can you give some advice for BjornT on a fix to 44919? [01:13] BjornT: we can have a call about it tomorrow [01:14] SteveA: ok [01:14] then I'm done SteveA, thanks everyone! [01:14] matsubara, BjornT: please arrange times with me after this meeting [01:14] * Bug report (mpt) [01:14] SteveA: ok [01:14] There are 12 known open bugs about Launchpad with unreleased fixes. The oldest 6 are: [01:14] * Bug #30602 (Timeout errors in +translate), Critical, In Progress, kiko [01:14] * Bug #68295 (private), Critical, In Progress, kiko [01:14] Malone bug 30602 in rosetta "Timeout errors in +translate" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30602 - Assigned to Christian Reis (kiko) [01:14] Bug 68295 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/68295 is private [01:15] kiko, 68295 is In Progress since November 11th. Will it be finished soon? [01:15] win 31 [01:15] * Bug #46589 (Poll crashes if you select default poll option), Critical, Fix Committed, static [01:15] Malone bug 46589 in launchpad "Poll crashes if you select default poll option" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46589 - Assigned to Elliot Murphy (emurphy) [01:15] static, iirc we discussed that one last week, and no rollout since then [01:15] * Bug #46982 (Need to support KDE like plural forms), Critical, Confirmed, danilos [01:15] * Bug #73509 (.po file export doesn't update cached files), Critical, Fix Committed, danilos [01:15] Malone bug 46982 in rosetta "Need to support KDE like plural forms" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46982 - Assigned to (danilo) [01:15] Malone bug 73509 in rosetta ".po file export doesn't update cached files" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73509 - Assigned to (danilo) [01:15] danilos, did 73509 deserve a cherrypick? [01:15] mpt, yes, I asked for it on LaunchpadProductionStatus after checking on edge today [01:15] ok, thanks danilos [01:15] mpt, probably not. do you want to me change its status? [01:16] bug 46982, still just like last week [01:16] kiko, I guess only if that makes it more likely someone else will fix it :-) [01:16] I asked for the poll crash to be cherrypicked [01:16] mpt, probably not ether. :-( [01:16] did that happen? [01:17] SteveA, it had already been rolled out. [01:17] static, in that case, please update it [01:17] * Bug #74839 (private), Critical, Confirmed, mpt [01:17] Bug 74839 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/74839 is private [01:17] No progress on that one this week. [01:17] mpt: will do [01:17] That's all SteveA [01:17] thanks kiko [01:18] What is the verdict for cherrypicking the Bug #73509 fix? [01:18] thanks [01:19] stub: it's critical [01:19] stub, I'd like to see it cherry-picked if possible [01:19] kiko: ok. So your 'probably not' was in relation to something else [01:20] stub, it was about mpt's question about +translate. [01:21] stub: make a decision [01:21] NEXT! [01:21] eh? Cherry pick is already in progress. I was just momentarily confused. [01:21] ok [01:22] * Bug tags [01:22] https://help.launchpad.net/TaggingLaunchpadBugs [01:22] we have four new candidates for tags used in the launchpad process [01:22] poll [01:22] [01:22] A bug related to Launchpad's voting infrastructure [01:22] [01:22] I have some questions about this. [01:22] 1. should launchpad polls be a separate product? [01:23] 1. no [01:23] 2. is "poll" confusing in that people might first think it means there is a vote on how important this bug is? [01:23] aren't we supposed to go away from separate products (including existing ones, like 'rosetta'?) or is this just short-term? [01:23] 2. "team-polls" might be a better choice. [01:23] 2. I think it is [01:23] no more products please - crazy enough as it is [01:23] kiko++ [01:23] or perhaps 'voting-system' [01:23] stub+++ [01:24] danilos: it was a discussion, but we're sticking with separate products. [01:24] matsubara, that has the same problem [01:24] team-polls or team-voting [01:24] no more products please [01:24] team-poll ? [01:24] poll seems fine to me [01:25] I guess "poll-infrastructure" is even better imho [01:25] no it's not [01:25] why not? [01:25] poll-infrastructure?! [01:25] At the risk of looking silly, what is this pool thing useful for? [01:25] what does that mean?! [01:25] the polls we have are for teams [01:25] period [01:25] kiko: it's confusing enough so that users won't think it's a poll [01:25] ddaa, for getting people's votes on things like what the "polls" tag should be [01:26] kiko: so "infrastructure" seems to prevail when reading it, so you don't think you can vote on it [01:26] ... [01:26] I like "voting-system" from matsubara [01:26] anyway, too much bikeshedding [01:26] SteveA, that has the same problem you raised as point 2. [01:26] I disagree [01:26] the polls we have are for /teams/ [01:26] that is a very important distinction [01:26] SteveA: yeah, maybe even "poll-system", I agree [01:26] if we later come and have bug-polls === mpt votes for poll-voting-infrastructure-system [01:27] mpt: could you imagine that being useful for code reviews, or other use cases like that? [01:27] or bug-voting [01:27] then it becomes ambiguous [01:27] team-voting [01:27] ddaa: Main use case is all the voting that is needed to steer Ubuntu on its course (community council, tech board, ad infinitum) [01:27] how about that? [01:27] that's fine. [01:27] ddaa, no. [01:27] good [01:27] matsubara: do you agree with team-voting ? [01:27] yes SteveA. [01:27] good. done. [01:27] fif-candidate [01:28] matthewrevell: do we need this larger workflow for fif? we already have a fix-it-friday tag [01:29] SteveA: matsubara and I had a discussion and felt that the distinction will help LP developers to see which bugs have been agreed as suitable for FiF [01:29] while allowing anyone else to suggest FiF candidates [01:29] I'd do it the other way around [01:29] and either use a comment in the bug to agree that it is a fif bug [01:29] As Launchpad developers can promote candidates to real, I imagine in almost every case the candidate step will be skipped as the proposing will be done by lp devs in almost all cases [01:29] or to disagree [01:30] so, I think this needs more discussion [01:30] but not right now [01:30] Okay, no probs. [01:30] l10n [01:30] this seems to have nothing to do with launchpad bugs [01:30] this doesn't seem to be relevant for launchpad [01:30] so it should be declined for that reason [01:31] did something change regarding l10n being ubuntu-related? [01:31] ok, it didn't [01:31] until we do localize launchpad [01:31] * Production and staging (Stuart) [01:31] agreed [01:31] Staging as normal. [01:31] Edge code updates broken pending Bug #79397, otherwise fine. [01:31] Beta running as normal. Twice daily code updates if anyone bothers to commit onto the beta branch. [01:31] Production cherry picking of Danilo's patch is in progress now. Tests have a fair chance of failing though, as there were conflicts in the cherry pick. [01:31] Tim's db patch has been cowboyed into production, and should be landing on the trunk shortly (at which point I need to update the edge branch manually). I did it this way because it is not tied to code updates and could be applied live and it saves me some hassles syncing up all the production branches. [01:31] Bug 79397 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/79397 is private [01:31] With luck there should be no need of a full production update next week, but I expect after that we should do one to avoid drift. [01:31] Testing of the feisty translation opening is underway on carbon. [01:31] At this stage it looks like Rosetta performance problems (or at least the example query from Carlos) is not slow based on table size, but on concurrent requests (possibly poimport). My timings range from 16 seconds to 100ms. [01:31] stub: what about updating beta? [01:32] stub: is there anything I can help with about those conflicts? [01:32] erm - re production updates that should be 'do one *after* next week' [01:32]