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| mdke | hmm, my sound has stopped working too, sucks | 01:27 |
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| crimsun | I swear everyone is conspiring to make me batty today, and I have not had enough coffee | 01:30 |
| mdke | :) | 01:32 |
| nixternal | crimsun: no tea? | 01:47 |
| nixternal | i could only imagine your hacklayer - columbian coffee, express machine(s), red bull fountain(s), and more | 01:48 |
| nixternal | s/express/expresso | 01:48 |
| crimsun | mdke: if you're still experiencing it, I can help you in #ubuntu | 01:49 |
| mdke | crimsun: another time I think; it's very late here. I appreciate the generous offer though. | 01:50 |
| crimsun | nixternal: closer to just litres of water and a couple cups of coffee | 01:52 |
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| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r3703 /trunk/validate.sh: another one for irc bot | 09:50 |
| bhuvan | wow it works! | 09:50 |
| mdke | nice job bhuvan | 09:52 |
| mdke | that's really cool | 09:52 |
| bhuvan | :) | 09:52 |
| bhuvan | only today i received semi-automated reply from micah | 09:53 |
| mdke | yeah, I got that too | 09:53 |
| mdke | I just forwarded it to you :) | 09:53 |
| mdke | nice | 09:53 |
| bhuvan | ok | 09:53 |
| bhuvan | they have an UI where we can forward these commit alerts to any channel: http://cia.navi.cx/account/ | 09:54 |
| mdke | yeah | 09:56 |
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| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r3704 generic/serverguide/C/ (8 files): | 10:22 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: * Delete package management section from server guide. | 10:22 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: * Include windows networking section in server guide. | 10:22 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: * Include the template for new sections listed in the specification. | 10:22 |
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| bhuvan | mdke: i'd like to include a new status target in ubuntu/Makefile. right now it may include a target for server guide. shall i go ahead with the commit? | 10:39 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r3705 generic/serverguide/C/ (6 files): correct the status of all chapters | 10:45 |
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| xipietotec | is this also the channel for ubuntuguide.org? | 11:44 |
| popey | isn't ubuntuguide.org an unofficial guide? | 11:44 |
| xipietotec | is it? damn | 11:45 |
| xipietotec | okay, it might be a good idea to add something like this to the wiki then http://www.pclinuxonline.com/wiki/EnableMultimediaKeys | 11:48 |
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| popey | in gnome that exists already | 12:15 |
| popey | well, some of it | 12:16 |
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| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r3706 generic/serverguide/C/ (package-management.xml serverguide.xml): | 12:34 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: As suggested by mdke restore package management in the stand-alone | 12:34 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: version of server guide. | 12:34 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #80390 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Firefox still reports Edgy" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80390 | 03:31 |
| jsgotangco | heh come one, give us some slack on documentation, edgy is still current and we only got herd 2 hehehe | 03:31 |
| jsgotangco | well we had some real UI changes | 03:37 |
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| mdke | popey: we're overflowing with logos ;) | 07:29 |
| somerville32 | oh yeah? | 07:31 |
| popey | going to make a logo page | 07:35 |
| popey | so people can just upload them to that and others can comment | 07:35 |
| popey | sound good? | 07:35 |
| === mdke no's | ||
| popey | and in english? | 07:36 |
| mdke | popey: why do we need a logo? | 07:36 |
| popey | gives people a way to feel like they are contributing :) | 07:37 |
| mdke | erm. that's not a reason | 07:37 |
| nixternal | hehe | 07:37 |
| popey | well, there is a logo on the videos at the moment | 07:37 |
| popey | but its the ubuntu-uk one | 07:37 |
| nixternal | mdke: i think it does need a logo truthfully | 07:37 |
| popey | we could replace that, but with what? | 07:37 |
| nixternal | the Ubuntu logo :) | 07:37 |
| popey | meh | 07:38 |
| popey | :) | 07:38 |
| nixternal | hehe | 07:38 |
| popey | fair point | 07:38 |
| mdke | the whole point of implementing the Ubuntu style for the website was to keep the style of the site similar to the other Ubuntu websites | 07:38 |
| nixternal | im sittin' in the computer lab at school bored out of my mind | 07:38 |
| mdke | I don't understand why a separate logo is required, and to be honest I think it is a bad idea | 07:38 |
| popey | would you like to say that on-list? | 07:38 |
| popey | so others dont waste their time? | 07:38 |
| mdke | well, I don't take the decisions | 07:39 |
| nixternal | no, let them waste their time, i like seeing what people can do, so when i need some artwork i can use them :) | 07:39 |
| mdke | was there some request for logos? I don't understand why everyone is producing them | 07:39 |
| popey | i asked for a replacement slide for front/back of videos | 07:39 |
| nixternal | mdke: the same reason everyone started creating logos for all of the marketing projects, which I still don't what it is | 07:39 |
| mdke | nixternal: that's called logoitis | 07:40 |
| nixternal | hehe | 07:40 |
| popey | thanks Dr Mdke | 07:40 |
| mdke | popey: that's totally different though, nothing to do with a logo, surely? | 07:40 |
| nixternal | you are a lawyer, not a doctor :) | 07:40 |
| popey | well, as i said, there is a logo on their at the moment | 07:40 |
| popey | some may have interpreted "new slide" as "replace logo" | 07:40 |
| mdke | popey: well, do you disagree that we should retain the style of the Ubuntu websites? | 07:41 |
| popey | brb | 07:41 |
| popey | baby in arms | 07:41 |
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| popey | too long a discussion for one handed typing | 07:42 |
| popey | :) | 07:42 |
| nixternal | popey: that is no excuse :) | 07:42 |
| popey | : | 07:42 |
| nixternal | use your toes | 07:42 |
| nixternal | keyboards are ambidextrous | 07:42 |
| Burgwork | popey: in general, there is no need for a specific logo for a specific team, unless it is a loco team | 08:02 |
| popey | ok | 08:03 |
| Burgwork | especially given you are doing a help thing | 08:03 |
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| Burgwork | which means you are going to have lots of new users, who are likely to be confused by a seperate logo | 08:03 |
| popey | would it be prudent for me to mail the list stating such? | 08:03 |
| mdke | I'm happy to do it | 08:03 |
| Burgwork | probably yes | 08:03 |
| mdke | but I want to make sure you feel the same way, this isn't something I want to push onto you | 08:03 |
| Burgwork | creating a logo seems to be one of the first things somebody wants to do | 08:03 |
| popey | i have to pop out to get diesel and some booze, if it isn't done by the time I get back I will do it | 08:03 |
| popey | to be honest I dont really care | 08:03 |
| popey | I just want people to.. | 08:04 |
| popey | a) make screencasts | 08:04 |
| popey | b) watch screencasts | 08:04 |
| popey | c) ??? | 08:04 |
| mdke | ok | 08:04 |
| popey | d) profit! | 08:04 |
| mdke | (done) | 08:04 |
| popey | ta | 08:04 |
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| mdke | so, we're having a wiki weekend! | 10:03 |
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| mdke | please read this page and add your inspirational thoughts to get people excited | 10:03 |
| mdke | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiTeam/WikiWeekend?action=show | 10:03 |
| mdke | kmandla of the forums is the brains behind it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=341385 | 10:04 |
| LaserJock | hmm, cool | 10:04 |
| LaserJock | can I get them to do the MOTU wiki? ;-) | 10:04 |
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| mdke | seriously though, please improve that wiki page | 10:32 |
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| MagicFab | mdke, I can't seem to find what happened to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiLicensing at last Community Council meeting | 11:20 |
| mdke | MagicFab: it was approved (see the bottom of the Community Council Agenda) | 11:21 |
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| mdke | I'm happy to say :) | 11:21 |
| LaserJock | \o/ | 11:22 |
| MagicFab | mdke, missed that... so... no word on the main wiki yet! | 11:22 |
| mdke | MagicFab: that's right. I will be implementing the documentation wiki ASAP | 11:23 |
| LaserJock | main wiki will be a beast | 11:23 |
| LaserJock | there is such a variety of content | 11:23 |
| mdke | I think so yeah | 11:23 |
| LaserJock | it's hard to treat is as a scratch board if you have to worry about licensing :/ | 11:24 |
| MagicFab | mdke, linking to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/License I presume, which is very clear. | 11:24 |
| MagicFab | Excellent news! I was getting questions from possible contributors | 11:24 |
| MagicFab | And of course at support I needed to know how that could be reused | 11:24 |
| mdke | MagicFab: reused? you can just "use" it | 11:25 |
| MagicFab | mdke, I use them more than once :) | 11:25 |
| mdke | cool | 11:25 |
| mdke | MagicFab: do you have statistics about what are the most frequent support questions, out of interest? (I'm thinking more of personal users than businesses) | 11:26 |
| mdke | would be helpful for yelp | 11:26 |
| MagicFab | mdke, proprietary stuff comes to mind... along with media plugins and xorg | 11:27 |
| mdke | what sort of xorg? | 11:27 |
| LaserJock | like how to configure xorg? | 11:27 |
| MagicFab | proprietary = wifi drivers, graphic drivers, printer/scanner installs | 11:27 |
| MagicFab | LaserJock, no, like weird font problems | 11:27 |
| MagicFab | In general we get the most obscure things or the things that have so much docs that it's difficult to sort through all od it | 11:28 |
| mdke | no official statistics though? | 11:28 |
| MagicFab | mdke, not yet :) it'll come | 11:28 |
| mdke | cool | 11:28 |
| MagicFab | although it would be more interesting to gather stats from ALL marketplace listings offering support. Canonical is just a tiny portion of support for Ubuntu I guess | 11:29 |
| mdke | yeah, obviously it will have a different focus to free support too | 11:29 |
| mdke | getting feedback from you guys about documentation and how to improve would be great, and maybe even some contribution :) | 11:29 |
| MagicFab | web stats for doc.ubuntu.com and help.ubuntu.com should be a good indicator | 11:29 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I find gathering statistics to be one of the most difficult parts of Linux/FLOSS | 11:30 |
| LaserJock | but maybe that's because I'm a scientist and like numbers and things like that | 11:30 |
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| MagicFab | mdke, there is an internal "web self-service" portal where solutions are /will be posted for customers. Still unclear if those would be public / contributed back. | 11:30 |
| mdke | documentation? | 11:31 |
| mdke | shame on you for not contributing directly | 11:31 |
| mdke | or do they pay extra for that? | 11:31 |
| MagicFab | mdke, well, internally documented solutions are so specific to customer's and include private information | 11:40 |
| mdke | oh, if it's customer specific, obviously that's different | 11:41 |
| MagicFab | mdke, *I* am pushing for public disclosure, but I also needed to know that there was a precise licence in the official docs. | 11:41 |
| mdke | ah | 11:41 |
| MagicFab | My reasoning is, if I solve a customer problem and I improve the official docs as a result, it can't be held secret/restricted | 11:41 |
| mdke | careful about using the word "official" :) | 11:42 |
| mdke | it's a wiki, after all | 11:42 |
| MagicFab | mdke, that's another *huge* problem I think. Canonical will have to produce it's own "official", rubber-stamped, time-snapshotted docs derived from the CC licensed content | 11:43 |
| MagicFab | that of course is IMVHO :) | 11:43 |
| mdke | it doesn't have to, but there is nothing to stop it from using community documentation in support responses if it decides that the particular material is accurate. A rubber-stamped, time-snapshotted fork isn't required | 11:47 |
| mdke | MagicFab: you might be interested in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpWikiQualityAssurance thought | 11:50 |
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| tonyyarusso | FirefoxNewVersion is apparently incorrect re: Dapper backport, according to jdong. Changing unless someone knows otherwise. | 12:12 |
| mdke | yes, I heard the same | 12:13 |
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