[01:27] <mdke> hmm, my sound has stopped working too, sucks
[01:30] <crimsun> I swear everyone is conspiring to make me batty today, and I have not had enough coffee
[01:32] <mdke> :)
[01:47] <nixternal> crimsun: no tea?
[01:48] <nixternal> i could only imagine your hacklayer - columbian coffee, express machine(s), red bull fountain(s), and more
[01:48] <nixternal> s/express/expresso
[01:49] <crimsun> mdke: if you're still experiencing it, I can help you in #ubuntu
[01:50] <mdke> crimsun: another time I think; it's very late here. I appreciate the generous offer though.
[01:52] <crimsun> nixternal: closer to just litres of water and a couple cups of coffee
[09:50] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r3703 /trunk/validate.sh: another one for irc bot
[09:50] <bhuvan> wow it works!
[09:52] <mdke> nice job bhuvan
[09:52] <mdke> that's really cool
[09:52] <bhuvan> :)
[09:53] <bhuvan> only today i received semi-automated reply from micah
[09:53] <mdke> yeah, I got that too
[09:53] <mdke> I just forwarded it to you :)
[09:53] <mdke> nice
[09:53] <bhuvan> ok
[09:54] <bhuvan> they have an UI where we can forward these commit alerts to any channel: http://cia.navi.cx/account/
[09:56] <mdke> yeah
[10:22] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r3704 generic/serverguide/C/ (8 files):
[10:22] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: * Delete package management section from server guide.
[10:22] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: * Include windows networking section in server guide.
[10:22] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: * Include the template for new sections listed in the specification.
[10:39] <bhuvan> mdke: i'd like to include a new status target in ubuntu/Makefile. right now it may include a target for server guide. shall i go ahead with the commit?
[10:45] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r3705 generic/serverguide/C/ (6 files): correct the status of all chapters
[11:44] <xipietotec> is this also the channel for ubuntuguide.org?
[11:44] <popey> isn't ubuntuguide.org an unofficial guide?
[11:45] <xipietotec> is it? damn
[11:48] <xipietotec> okay, it might be a good idea to add something like this to the wiki then http://www.pclinuxonline.com/wiki/EnableMultimediaKeys
[12:15] <popey> in gnome that exists already
[12:16] <popey> well, some of it
[12:34] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r3706 generic/serverguide/C/ (package-management.xml serverguide.xml):
[12:34] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: As suggested by mdke restore package management in the stand-alone
[12:34] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: version of server guide.
[03:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #80390 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Firefox still reports Edgy" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80390
[03:31] <jsgotangco> heh come one, give us some slack on documentation, edgy is still current and we only got herd 2 hehehe
[03:37] <jsgotangco> well we had some real UI changes
[07:29] <mdke> popey: we're overflowing with logos ;)
[07:31] <somerville32> oh yeah?
[07:35] <popey> going to make a logo page
[07:35] <popey> so people can just upload them to that and others can comment
[07:35] <popey> sound good?
[07:36] <popey> and in english?
[07:36] <mdke> popey: why do we need a logo?
[07:37] <popey> gives people a way to feel like they are contributing :)
[07:37] <mdke> erm. that's not a reason
[07:37] <nixternal> hehe
[07:37] <popey> well, there is a logo on the videos at the moment
[07:37] <popey> but its the ubuntu-uk one
[07:37] <nixternal> mdke: i think it does need a logo truthfully
[07:37] <popey> we could replace that, but with what?
[07:37] <nixternal> the Ubuntu logo :)
[07:38] <popey> meh
[07:38] <popey> :)
[07:38] <nixternal> hehe
[07:38] <popey> fair point
[07:38] <mdke> the whole point of implementing the Ubuntu style for the website was to keep the style of the site similar to the other Ubuntu websites
[07:38] <nixternal> im sittin' in the computer lab at school bored out of my mind
[07:38] <mdke> I don't understand why a separate logo is required, and to be honest I think it is a bad idea
[07:38] <popey> would you like to say that on-list?
[07:38] <popey> so others dont waste their time?
[07:39] <mdke> well, I don't take the decisions
[07:39] <nixternal> no, let them waste their time, i like seeing what people can do, so when i need some artwork i can use them :)
[07:39] <mdke> was there some request for logos? I don't understand why everyone is producing them
[07:39] <popey> i asked for a replacement slide for front/back of videos
[07:39] <nixternal> mdke: the same reason everyone started creating logos for all of the marketing projects, which I still don't what it is
[07:40] <mdke> nixternal: that's called logoitis
[07:40] <nixternal> hehe
[07:40] <popey> thanks Dr Mdke
[07:40] <mdke> popey: that's totally different though, nothing to do with a logo, surely?
[07:40] <nixternal> you are a lawyer, not a doctor :)
[07:40] <popey> well, as i said, there is a logo on their at the moment
[07:40] <popey> some may have interpreted "new slide" as "replace logo"
[07:41] <mdke> popey: well, do you disagree that we should retain the style of the Ubuntu websites?
[07:41] <popey> brb
[07:41] <popey> baby in arms
[07:42] <popey> too long a discussion for one handed typing
[07:42] <popey> :)
[07:42] <nixternal> popey: that is no excuse :)
[07:42] <popey> :
[07:42] <nixternal> use your toes
[07:42] <nixternal> keyboards are ambidextrous
[08:02] <Burgwork> popey: in general, there is no need for a specific logo for a specific team, unless it is a loco team
[08:03] <popey> ok
[08:03] <Burgwork> especially given you are doing a help thing
[08:03] <Burgwork> which means you are going to have lots of new users, who are likely to be confused by a seperate logo
[08:03] <popey> would it be prudent for me to mail the list stating such?
[08:03] <mdke> I'm happy to do it
[08:03] <Burgwork> probably yes
[08:03] <mdke> but I want to make sure you feel the same way, this isn't something I want to push onto you
[08:03] <Burgwork> creating a logo seems to be one of the first things somebody wants to do
[08:03] <popey> i have to pop out to get diesel and some booze, if it isn't done by the time I get back I will do it
[08:03] <popey> to be honest I dont really care
[08:04] <popey> I just want people to..
[08:04] <popey> a) make screencasts
[08:04] <popey> b) watch screencasts
[08:04] <popey> c) ???
[08:04] <mdke> ok
[08:04] <popey> d) profit!
[08:04] <mdke> (done)
[08:04] <popey> ta
[10:03] <mdke> so, we're having a wiki weekend!
[10:03] <mdke> please read this page and add your inspirational thoughts to get people excited
[10:03] <mdke> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiTeam/WikiWeekend?action=show
[10:04] <mdke> kmandla of the forums is the brains behind it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=341385
[10:04] <LaserJock> hmm, cool
[10:04] <LaserJock> can I get them to do the MOTU wiki? ;-)
[10:32] <mdke> seriously though, please improve that wiki page
[11:20] <MagicFab> mdke, I can't seem to find what happened to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiLicensing at last Community Council meeting
[11:21] <mdke> MagicFab: it was approved (see the bottom of the Community Council Agenda)
[11:21] <mdke> I'm happy to say :)
[11:22] <LaserJock> \o/
[11:22] <MagicFab> mdke, missed that... so... no word on the main wiki yet!
[11:23] <mdke> MagicFab: that's right. I will be implementing the documentation wiki ASAP
[11:23] <LaserJock> main wiki will be a beast
[11:23] <LaserJock> there is such a variety of content
[11:23] <mdke> I think so yeah
[11:24] <LaserJock> it's hard to treat is as a scratch board if you have to worry about licensing :/
[11:24] <MagicFab> mdke, linking to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/License I presume, which is very clear.
[11:24] <MagicFab> Excellent news! I was getting questions from possible contributors
[11:24] <MagicFab> And of course at support I needed to know how that could be reused
[11:25] <mdke> MagicFab: reused? you can just "use" it
[11:25] <MagicFab> mdke, I use them more than once :)
[11:25] <mdke> cool
[11:26] <mdke> MagicFab: do you have statistics about what are the most frequent support questions, out of interest? (I'm thinking more of personal users than businesses)
[11:26] <mdke> would be helpful for yelp
[11:27] <MagicFab> mdke, proprietary stuff comes to mind... along with media plugins and xorg
[11:27] <mdke> what sort of xorg?
[11:27] <LaserJock> like how to configure xorg?
[11:27] <MagicFab> proprietary = wifi drivers, graphic drivers, printer/scanner installs
[11:27] <MagicFab> LaserJock, no, like weird font problems
[11:28] <MagicFab> In general we get the most obscure things or the things that have so much docs that it's difficult to sort through all od it
[11:28] <mdke> no official statistics though?
[11:28] <MagicFab> mdke, not yet :) it'll come
[11:28] <mdke> cool
[11:29] <MagicFab> although it would be more interesting to gather stats from ALL marketplace listings offering support. Canonical is just a tiny portion of support for Ubuntu I guess
[11:29] <mdke> yeah, obviously it will have a different focus to free support too
[11:29] <mdke> getting feedback from you guys about documentation and how to improve would be great, and maybe even some contribution :)
[11:29] <MagicFab> web stats for doc.ubuntu.com and help.ubuntu.com should be a good indicator
[11:30] <LaserJock> yeah, I find gathering statistics to be one of the most difficult parts of Linux/FLOSS
[11:30] <LaserJock> but maybe that's because I'm a scientist and like numbers and things like that
[11:30] <MagicFab> mdke, there is an internal "web self-service" portal where solutions are /will be posted for customers. Still unclear if those would be public / contributed back.
[11:31] <mdke> documentation?
[11:31] <mdke> shame on you for not contributing directly
[11:31] <mdke> or do they pay extra for that?
[11:40] <MagicFab> mdke, well, internally documented solutions are so specific to customer's and include private information
[11:41] <mdke> oh, if it's customer specific, obviously that's different
[11:41] <MagicFab> mdke, *I* am pushing for public disclosure, but I also needed to know that there was a precise licence in the official docs.
[11:41] <mdke> ah
[11:41] <MagicFab> My reasoning is, if I solve a customer problem and I improve the official docs as a result, it can't be held secret/restricted
[11:42] <mdke> careful about using the word "official" :)
[11:42] <mdke> it's a wiki, after all
[11:43] <MagicFab> mdke, that's another *huge* problem I think. Canonical will have to produce it's own "official", rubber-stamped, time-snapshotted docs derived from the CC licensed content
[11:43] <MagicFab> that of course is IMVHO :)
[11:47] <mdke> it doesn't have to, but there is nothing to stop it from using community documentation in support responses if it decides that the particular material is accurate. A rubber-stamped, time-snapshotted fork isn't required
[11:50] <mdke> MagicFab: you might be interested in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpWikiQualityAssurance thought
[12:12] <tonyyarusso> FirefoxNewVersion is apparently incorrect re: Dapper backport, according to jdong.  Changing unless someone knows otherwise.
[12:13] <mdke> yes, I heard the same