=== mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host-84-9-178-52.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === motin_ [n=motin@c80-217-109-98.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:27] hmm, my sound has stopped working too, sucks [01:30] I swear everyone is conspiring to make me batty today, and I have not had enough coffee [01:32] :) [01:47] crimsun: no tea? [01:48] i could only imagine your hacklayer - columbian coffee, express machine(s), red bull fountain(s), and more [01:48] s/express/expresso [01:49] mdke: if you're still experiencing it, I can help you in #ubuntu [01:50] crimsun: another time I think; it's very late here. I appreciate the generous offer though. [01:52] nixternal: closer to just litres of water and a couple cups of coffee === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-135-240.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === david_corrales [n=david@ip247-10.ct.co.cr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === david_corrales [n=david@ip247-10.ct.co.cr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === xipietotec [n=jackfros@cpe-67-49-247-144.dc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === xipietotec [n=jackfros@cpe-67-49-247-144.dc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === david_corrales_ [n=david@ip247-10.ct.co.cr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === david_corrales_ is now known as david_corrales === UbuntuSt1ts [n=StatsBot@bl4-223-240.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rrittenhouse [n=tad@cpe-76-188-35-66.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === xipietotec [n=jackfros@194.115.109.66.static.dis.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === willvdl [n=will@196.207.32.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === CIA-4 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:50] Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r3703 /trunk/validate.sh: another one for irc bot [09:50] wow it works! [09:52] nice job bhuvan [09:52] that's really cool [09:52] :) [09:53] only today i received semi-automated reply from micah [09:53] yeah, I got that too [09:53] I just forwarded it to you :) [09:53] nice [09:53] ok [09:54] they have an UI where we can forward these commit alerts to any channel: http://cia.navi.cx/account/ [09:56] yeah === rob1 [i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === oldmanstan [n=george@12-207-146-74.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@mail.foredil.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:22] Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r3704 generic/serverguide/C/ (8 files): [10:22] Ubuntu Documentation: * Delete package management section from server guide. [10:22] Ubuntu Documentation: * Include windows networking section in server guide. [10:22] Ubuntu Documentation: * Include the template for new sections listed in the specification. === willvdl [n=will@196.207.32.235] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === motin_ [n=motin@c80-217-109-98.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:39] mdke: i'd like to include a new status target in ubuntu/Makefile. right now it may include a target for server guide. shall i go ahead with the commit? [10:45] Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r3705 generic/serverguide/C/ (6 files): correct the status of all chapters === UbuntuStats [n=StatsBot@bl4-223-240.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:44] is this also the channel for ubuntuguide.org? [11:44] isn't ubuntuguide.org an unofficial guide? [11:45] is it? damn [11:48] okay, it might be a good idea to add something like this to the wiki then http://www.pclinuxonline.com/wiki/EnableMultimediaKeys === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:15] in gnome that exists already [12:16] well, some of it === xipietotec [n=jackfros@194.115.109.66.static.dis.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.134.167] has joined #ubuntu-doc === joachim-n [n=joachim@ACD1D42B.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:34] Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r3706 generic/serverguide/C/ (package-management.xml serverguide.xml): [12:34] Ubuntu Documentation: As suggested by mdke restore package management in the stand-alone [12:34] Ubuntu Documentation: version of server guide. === rob [i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-135-240.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@cpc3-stok6-0-0-cust253.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === xipietotec [n=jackfros@194.115.109.66.static.dis.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === motin_ [n=motin@c80-217-109-98.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-doc === joachim-n [n=joachim@ACCA969D.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.134.167] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor [n=sebi@88.134.194.143] has joined #ubuntu-doc === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:31] New bug: #80390 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Firefox still reports Edgy" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80390 [03:31] heh come one, give us some slack on documentation, edgy is still current and we only got herd 2 hehehe [03:37] well we had some real UI changes === dsas wonders if it's worth packaging the docs more often. === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === david_corrales [n=david@ip247-10.ct.co.cr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ppp-159-98.25-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:29] popey: we're overflowing with logos ;) [07:31] oh yeah? [07:35] going to make a logo page [07:35] so people can just upload them to that and others can comment [07:35] sound good? === mdke no's [07:36] and in english? [07:36] popey: why do we need a logo? [07:37] gives people a way to feel like they are contributing :) [07:37] erm. that's not a reason [07:37] hehe [07:37] well, there is a logo on the videos at the moment [07:37] but its the ubuntu-uk one [07:37] mdke: i think it does need a logo truthfully [07:37] we could replace that, but with what? [07:37] the Ubuntu logo :) [07:38] meh [07:38] :) [07:38] hehe [07:38] fair point [07:38] the whole point of implementing the Ubuntu style for the website was to keep the style of the site similar to the other Ubuntu websites [07:38] im sittin' in the computer lab at school bored out of my mind [07:38] I don't understand why a separate logo is required, and to be honest I think it is a bad idea [07:38] would you like to say that on-list? [07:38] so others dont waste their time? [07:39] well, I don't take the decisions [07:39] no, let them waste their time, i like seeing what people can do, so when i need some artwork i can use them :) [07:39] was there some request for logos? I don't understand why everyone is producing them [07:39] i asked for a replacement slide for front/back of videos [07:39] mdke: the same reason everyone started creating logos for all of the marketing projects, which I still don't what it is [07:40] nixternal: that's called logoitis [07:40] hehe [07:40] thanks Dr Mdke [07:40] popey: that's totally different though, nothing to do with a logo, surely? [07:40] you are a lawyer, not a doctor :) [07:40] well, as i said, there is a logo on their at the moment [07:40] some may have interpreted "new slide" as "replace logo" [07:41] popey: well, do you disagree that we should retain the style of the Ubuntu websites? [07:41] brb [07:41] baby in arms === mdke nods [07:42] too long a discussion for one handed typing [07:42] :) [07:42] popey: that is no excuse :) [07:42] : [07:42] use your toes [07:42] keyboards are ambidextrous [08:02] popey: in general, there is no need for a specific logo for a specific team, unless it is a loco team [08:03] ok [08:03] especially given you are doing a help thing === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:03] which means you are going to have lots of new users, who are likely to be confused by a seperate logo [08:03] would it be prudent for me to mail the list stating such? [08:03] I'm happy to do it [08:03] probably yes [08:03] but I want to make sure you feel the same way, this isn't something I want to push onto you [08:03] creating a logo seems to be one of the first things somebody wants to do [08:03] i have to pop out to get diesel and some booze, if it isn't done by the time I get back I will do it [08:03] to be honest I dont really care [08:04] I just want people to.. [08:04] a) make screencasts [08:04] b) watch screencasts [08:04] c) ??? [08:04] ok [08:04] d) profit! [08:04] (done) [08:04] ta === somerville32_ [n=somervil@fctnnbsc15w-156034092135.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === xipietotec [n=jackfros@cpe-67-49-247-144.dc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ppp-208-72.25-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === omgponiezlol [n=Freddy@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === omgponiezlol is now known as Admiral_testirss === ryanakca [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-185.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:03] so, we're having a wiki weekend! === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEEB37.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:03] please read this page and add your inspirational thoughts to get people excited [10:03] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiTeam/WikiWeekend?action=show [10:04] kmandla of the forums is the brains behind it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=341385 [10:04] hmm, cool [10:04] can I get them to do the MOTU wiki? ;-) === mdke jealously guards the help wiki === mdke fridges it up [10:32] seriously though, please improve that wiki page === Admiral_testirss is now known as Admiral_Chicago === dsas [n=dean@ACD59392.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === omgponiezlol [n=Freddy@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === omgponiezlol is now known as afk === MagicFab [n=magicfab@ubuntu/member/magicfab] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:20] mdke, I can't seem to find what happened to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiLicensing at last Community Council meeting [11:21] MagicFab: it was approved (see the bottom of the Community Council Agenda) === david_corrales [n=david@ip247-10.ct.co.cr] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Ex-Chat"] [11:21] I'm happy to say :) [11:22] \o/ [11:22] mdke, missed that... so... no word on the main wiki yet! [11:23] MagicFab: that's right. I will be implementing the documentation wiki ASAP [11:23] main wiki will be a beast [11:23] there is such a variety of content [11:23] I think so yeah [11:24] it's hard to treat is as a scratch board if you have to worry about licensing :/ [11:24] mdke, linking to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/License I presume, which is very clear. [11:24] Excellent news! I was getting questions from possible contributors [11:24] And of course at support I needed to know how that could be reused [11:25] MagicFab: reused? you can just "use" it [11:25] mdke, I use them more than once :) [11:25] cool [11:26] MagicFab: do you have statistics about what are the most frequent support questions, out of interest? (I'm thinking more of personal users than businesses) [11:26] would be helpful for yelp [11:27] mdke, proprietary stuff comes to mind... along with media plugins and xorg [11:27] what sort of xorg? [11:27] like how to configure xorg? [11:27] proprietary = wifi drivers, graphic drivers, printer/scanner installs [11:27] LaserJock, no, like weird font problems [11:28] In general we get the most obscure things or the things that have so much docs that it's difficult to sort through all od it [11:28] no official statistics though? [11:28] mdke, not yet :) it'll come [11:28] cool [11:29] although it would be more interesting to gather stats from ALL marketplace listings offering support. Canonical is just a tiny portion of support for Ubuntu I guess [11:29] yeah, obviously it will have a different focus to free support too [11:29] getting feedback from you guys about documentation and how to improve would be great, and maybe even some contribution :) [11:29] web stats for doc.ubuntu.com and help.ubuntu.com should be a good indicator [11:30] yeah, I find gathering statistics to be one of the most difficult parts of Linux/FLOSS [11:30] but maybe that's because I'm a scientist and like numbers and things like that === highvolt1ge [n=jaagaan@johannesleroux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:30] mdke, there is an internal "web self-service" portal where solutions are /will be posted for customers. Still unclear if those would be public / contributed back. [11:31] documentation? [11:31] shame on you for not contributing directly [11:31] or do they pay extra for that? [11:40] mdke, well, internally documented solutions are so specific to customer's and include private information [11:41] oh, if it's customer specific, obviously that's different [11:41] mdke, *I* am pushing for public disclosure, but I also needed to know that there was a precise licence in the official docs. [11:41] ah [11:41] My reasoning is, if I solve a customer problem and I improve the official docs as a result, it can't be held secret/restricted [11:42] careful about using the word "official" :) [11:42] it's a wiki, after all [11:43] mdke, that's another *huge* problem I think. Canonical will have to produce it's own "official", rubber-stamped, time-snapshotted docs derived from the CC licensed content [11:43] that of course is IMVHO :) [11:47] it doesn't have to, but there is nothing to stop it from using community documentation in support responses if it decides that the particular material is accurate. A rubber-stamped, time-snapshotted fork isn't required [11:50] MagicFab: you might be interested in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpWikiQualityAssurance thought === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.115.116] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:12] FirefoxNewVersion is apparently incorrect re: Dapper backport, according to jdong. Changing unless someone knows otherwise. [12:13] yes, I heard the same