[02:34] <somerville32> ~37 more Feisty changes to do! :)
[02:34] <somerville32> Come help!! 
[09:14] <jenda> Good morning juliux 
[09:14] <jenda> any news?
[09:14] <juliux> jenda, i think 1500 ubuntu 1000 kubuntu 500 edubuntu and 500 xubuntu sounds good
[09:15] <jenda> juliux: confirmed and final?
[09:15] <juliux> if you need that final today, yes
[09:15] <jenda> No, I don't need it final today.
[09:15] <juliux> jenda, i am 98% sure
[09:15] <jenda> The sooner the better, however.
[09:15] <jenda> ok, cool :)
[09:15] <jenda> I'll wait one more day before ordering it, then...
[09:16] <jenda> ...I don't have the source files totally ready yet ;
[09:16] <jenda> ;)
[09:16] <juliux> do you have the newest logos?
[09:16] <jenda> I'll get them somewhere, no bigge.
[09:16] <jenda> *biggie
[09:16] <jenda> They are probably on the wiki, no?
[09:16] <juliux> i have no idea
[09:16] <jenda> I'll take that as a yes ;)
[09:17] <juliux> ask marilizie or someone else
[09:19] <jenda> found it
[09:19] <jenda> on the first place I looked ;)
[09:19] <jenda> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official
[09:20] <jenda> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=KubuntuLogo.png
[09:20] <jenda> juliux: is that what you meant, or is there some new logo that the wiki doesn't know of.
[09:21] <juliux> jenda, i have no idea about the version of the logo
[09:21] <juliux> the best thing is go into the #kubuntu and ask them
[09:21] <jenda> ok, I'll ask the Kpeople.
[09:21] <jenda> right ;)
[09:32] <LongZheng> hey is anyone here familiar with the Ubuntu sounds dev?
[02:32] <MenZa> hey juliux
[02:34] <MenZa> juliux: can I just /query you?
[02:34] <juliux> MenZa, sure
[04:26] <beuno> meatballhat, jenda ping
[06:48] <beuno> !seen elkbuntu
[06:48] <ubotu> I last saw elkbuntu (n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu) 16h 30m 19s ago, quiting: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
[06:53] <somerville32> !seen beuno
[06:54] <ubotu> beuno is on IRC right now!
[06:54] <somerville32> Oh wow!
[06:54] <somerville32> :D
[06:54] <beuno> lol
[06:55] <beuno> he's psychic  or something
[06:55] <beuno> how's it going somerville32?
[06:56] <somerville32> Good
[06:56] <somerville32> UWN 28 still isn't done
[06:56] <somerville32> More Feisty changes to do
[06:59] <meatballhat> jenda, beuno Ping!
[06:59] <jenda> pong
[07:00] <beuno> somerville32, I can help in a while, gobby or wiki?
[07:00] <beuno> pong
[07:00] <meatballhat> okay, so the diy site ....
[07:00] <somerville32> gobby
[07:00] <meatballhat> everything I've done lately is style
[07:01] <meatballhat> can we talk about usability?
[07:01] <beuno> somerville32, got it
[07:01] <beuno> meatballhat, yes please
[07:01] <jenda> meatballhat: I'm still undecided if I like the 2 by 2 or the vertical style more...
[07:01] <jenda> beuno: what do you think?
[07:02] <beuno> I really like the new style, it really pops out
[07:02] <beuno> it's different then *everything* else
[07:02] <jenda> beuno: that's true.
[07:02] <meatballhat> beuno: thanks (I think) ...    the vertical style was adopted because of repeated feedback about fitting everything on an XGA display
[07:02] <beuno> and I think marketing really is about that
[07:03] <beuno> yeah, great work Dan
[07:03] <jenda> I like it too, the only thing that I'm unsure about is if it's as easy to understand when you first look at it...
[07:03] <jenda> meatballhat: that's a good point
[07:03] <meatballhat> okay, so about first impressions...
[07:03] <beuno> meatballhat, from a usability point of view, we really need to speed up the CSS
[07:03] <meatballhat> we've been staring at this thing for months, so ...
[07:04] <meatballhat> beuno: I'm not sure what else we can do with CSS ... we might have to switch over to JavaScript image replacements
[07:04] <beuno> also, if it's going to be that big, maybe we can add a small text (again) that explains what's each section about
[07:04] <jenda> meatballhat: the word 'community' doesn't fit on the 'get' button
[07:04] <beuno> meatballhat, I can speed it up, np (might use js, might not)
[07:05] <meatballhat> jenda: yeah ... another problem with the CSS-based approach ... and using actual text instead of IMG text
[07:05] <jenda> aha, yes, you mentioned that.
[07:05] <meatballhat> ...and here I was trying to do something noble :P
[07:05] <jenda> hehe
[07:05] <jenda> no, not at all - it's good :)
[07:05] <jenda> It makes it easier to work with, I'm sure.
[07:05] <meatballhat> I'm just a grouch about using JavaScript :D
[07:06] <meatballhat> what do both of you think about the link colors?
[07:06] <beuno> meatballhat, I agree, I'll try to find a CSS-related workaround
[07:06] <meatballhat> I changed the hover colors to be more modern
[07:06] <jenda> meatballhat: great.
[07:06] <jenda> Looks marvelous.
[07:06] <jenda> I haven't noticed that before :)
[07:06] <jenda> Really nice.
[07:06] <meatballhat> ....what with the higher contrast
[07:06] <beuno> yeap, I think so too
[07:06] <meatballhat> it's an accessibility thing, too
[07:07] <beuno> meatballhat, was the PHP programing clear enough?   I didn't get a chance to comment it yet
[07:07] <meatballhat> beuno: yes, it's fine - I don't see myself ever messing with conn.php and genvars.php ... aside from hacking them for local use
[07:07] <meatballhat> and everything else is pretty straight forward :)
[07:08] <beuno> conn.php is a standars class I use for connections (hacked it myself, used it for years)
[07:08] <beuno> so even I won't touch that
[07:08] <meatballhat> jenda: the other thing about the vertical layout...
[07:08] <jenda> meatballhat: from the visual point of view, maybe centering the graphics in those buttons is worth a try.
[07:09] <meatballhat> centering vertically? .... or do you want to see the complete logos?
[07:09] <jenda> meatballhat: actually, I'm beginning to like it :)
[07:09] <beuno> welcome to the club jenda  ;)
[07:09] <jenda> no, center horizontally, but don't scale - I don't need to see the entire thing...
[07:09] <jenda> ...or maybe try that too :)
[07:09] <jenda> unless you already have :)
[07:10] <meatballhat> okay ... I'd be happy to center them and keep the cropping
[07:10] <meatballhat> I'm trying to lead the user's eye around the page....  
[07:10] <jenda> yes, I think it's worth a try :)
[07:10] <meatballhat> the only thing I'm not happy about ....
[07:10] <jenda> It might not look good, but I can't tell without seeing it first, you know :)
[07:10] <meatballhat> is that the eye goes 'round the vertical columns ...
[07:10] <beuno> (brb)
[07:11] <meatballhat> winds up in the sidebar...
[07:11] <meatballhat> and then follows the sidebar down.... and off the page
[07:11] <meatballhat> :P
[07:11] <jenda> Not sure what you mean.
[07:11] <meatballhat> for the front page, the user's eye really should be stuck traveling in circles
[07:12] <meatballhat> :D
[07:12] <meatballhat> leading the focus *off* the page is bad
[07:12] <meatballhat> ...but what we've got right now is pretty good considering
[07:12] <meatballhat> it's a good lot better than most of the web :P
[07:13] <jenda> Ah, ok. I'm getting it.
[07:13] <jenda> haha :)
[07:13] <meatballhat> If there isn't an efficient way to tweak the PHP so that all pages except for the front page display navigation logos along the header ...
[07:14] <jenda> Actually, I'd give it a shot, and see what the wide public says.
[07:14] <meatballhat> I'm considering moving the Ubuntu Counter Count over to the left so that the sidebar boxes...
[07:14] <meatballhat> can move upward
[07:14] <jenda> Good ide.
[07:14] <jenda> a
[07:14] <jenda> Well...
[07:14] <jenda> maybe...
[07:14] <meatballhat> :D
[07:14] <jenda> I'm not sure if having things on both sides wouldn't ruin our viewers concentration altogether :)
[07:15] <meatballhat> no no...
[07:15] <meatballhat> just scooting the counter over a teensy bit
[07:15] <meatballhat> so that it's between the "[COF]  ubuntu"...
[07:15] <meatballhat> and the sidebar
[07:15] <meatballhat> sorry...
[07:15] <jenda> OK, I could see that.
[07:16] <jenda> Good idea.
[07:16] <beuno> (back)
[07:16] <meatballhat> beuno: is it too much work to tweak inc_header.php...
[07:16] <meatballhat> so that...
[07:16] <meatballhat> everything except the front page
[07:16] <beuno> meatballhat, not at all
[07:16] <meatballhat> has navigation logos
[07:17] <jenda> hmm
[07:17] <jenda> meatballhat: idea!
[07:17] <meatballhat> jenda: shoot! :D
[07:17] <jenda> Remember when you had those navigation icons at the top?
[07:17] <jenda> I liked them there :)
[07:17] <meatballhat> yes .. as did I
[07:17] <jenda> and they saved us one box on the right.
[07:17] <meatballhat> it's something we lost when going to the includes structure
[07:18] <meatballhat> ...which doesn't mean we can't get them back ;)
[07:18] <beuno> yes, I might of left a few things behind
[07:18] <beuno> by accident, some not so much
[07:19] <meatballhat> beuno: is this a problem you can tackle?
[07:19] <meatballhat> :D
[07:19] <beuno> sure, I can get that done pretty fast
[07:19] <meatballhat> excellent
[07:19] <beuno> I also have the backend a bit stalled since no real content seemed to be available yet
[07:19] <meatballhat> ...which effectively eliminates the "navigation" sidebar portlet
[07:19] <beuno> was that tackled?
[07:20] <meatballhat> beuno: on that subject ....
[07:20] <meatballhat> I think I'd like to add more fields to the layout
[07:20] <meatballhat> on "spread.php"
[07:20] <meatballhat> so a stalling of the process might not be so bad
[07:21] <meatballhat> I guess I'd like to make the layout...
[07:21] <meatballhat> so that it's more in line with other aggregation sites
[07:21] <beuno> ok, np
[07:21] <meatballhat> what with "summaries" and "hits" (?)
[07:22] <meatballhat> shall I make some changes "spread.php" and then shout when I'm done?
[07:22] <meatballhat> changes *to , that is
[07:23] <jenda> OK guys, I gotta run.
[07:23] <jenda> Anything else that I need to have a look at quickly? :)
[07:23] <meatballhat> jenda: later!  more updates pushed tomorrow morn
[07:23] <beuno> yeap, I'll only change inc_header.php
[07:23] <jenda> good :)
[07:23] <meatballhat> beuno: okay, so you're on the inc_header.php and I'll tweak spread.php
[07:23] <beuno> yeap, great
[07:23] <meatballhat> and we'll get back together tomorrow morn
[07:23] <meatballhat> 'kay
[07:23] <beuno> perfect
[07:24] <meatballhat> ...now I'm back to work (as in "job")  :D
[07:24] <beuno> me too
[07:24] <meatballhat> talk to you tomorrow ;)
[07:24] <jenda> That's not the real work, you know ;)
[07:24] <beuno> somerville32, I'll get on gobby in a couple of hours
[07:24] <meatballhat> jenda: you're all too right ;)
[07:24] <beuno> jenda, lol
[08:18] <Admiral_Chicago> somerville32: after 21 UTC i can help with UWN if you still need help
[08:18] <somerville32> ok
[08:18] <somerville32> Feisty changes still need doing
[08:31] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: Seriously?  crud.  /me still has more class yet today and such, but good luck.
[08:32] <somerville32> lol
[08:32] <somerville32> I think there is like 30 or so left
[08:38] <Admiral_Chicago> right now I have a class and installing a driver for wireless
[10:47] <Mez> I've been granted an interview with the ICT director for Computer Science at Aston University - who recently moved around 300PCs from Solaris to Kubuntu
[10:47] <Mez> what sorta things should I be asking him
[10:51] <jalrnc> Mez: simple one -> why kubuntu? (or ubuntu for that matter)
[10:51] <Mez> lol
[10:51] <jalrnc> :)
[10:52] <MenZa> What experiences he's had since changing
[10:54] <jalrnc> advantages vs disadvantages when compared to Solaris
[10:55] <jalrnc> how easy/difficult was the move
[10:56] <jalrnc> the move itself, and maybe also the decision to move