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[04:00] hello dholbach (lecture got cancelled :)) [04:00] hi [04:00] this is the bughelper meeting === matsubara [n=matsubar@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:00] dsas: good you could make it [04:00] hello everybody! [04:01] I announced the meeting over here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bugsquad/2007-January/000236.html and I think we can use the list as a rough 'agenda' [04:01] bughelper is a tool that heno started off (everybody thank him for that) and it'll hopefully make our bug triaging efforts all a bit easier [04:01] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugHelper has some information about it [04:01] and heno was kind enough to start a tutorial over here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugHelper/Tutorial [04:02] let's all take a look at it now: please check it out by running something like: bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bugsquad/bughelper/bughelper.main [04:02] thanks heno :) [04:02] I had an itch [04:03] bughelper has its brain in the ./packages directory [04:03] in the form of 668 open ubiquity bugs [04:03] we recently changed the .info files to an XML format, which is described over here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugHelper/Dev/ClueFiles [04:03] thank dholbach for that! [04:03] which allows us to do queries depending on nested and/or/not statements [04:03] de rien, I had fun hacking it :) [04:04] as you can see from your local branch, the packages/ directory doesn't contain that much information yet [04:04] if you invoke bughelper with a source package, it will check all the ubuntu launchpad bugs for that source package (based on the clues in the .info files) [04:05] daniel@lovegood:~/bughelper.main$ ./bughelper vino [04:05] http://launchpad.net/bugs/43050 : Vino crasher bugs [04:05] daniel@lovegood:~/bughelper.main$ [04:05] Malone bug 43050 in vino "vino-server crashes after connect if resolution has been changed via xrandr" [Unknown,Unconfirmed] [04:05] that's the result I get for vino [04:05] bughelper can also search in the attachments of the bugs, if you pass it the -A flag [04:05] <3 [04:06] with -a it searches not just on the first page of the launchpad bug listing (which only contains 75 bugs), but on all the succeeding pages also [04:06] dholbach: I think -a should be the default [04:06] any case where we want to limit to one page [04:06] the "one page" doesn't make any real sense [04:06] I got an error... [04:06] Traceback (most recent call last): [04:06] File "./bughelper", line 58, in ? [04:06] main() [04:06] File "./bughelper", line 34, in main [04:06] if not utils.package_exists(cl.sourcepackage): [04:06] File "/home/alexm/ubuntu/bughelper/bughelper.main/bugHelper/utils.py", line 25, in package_exists [04:06] sources = apt_pkg.GetPkgSrcRecords() [04:06] SystemError: E:You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list [04:06] that will become obsolete with XML bug data [04:06] seb128: file a wishlist bug :-) [04:07] dholbach: oki [04:07] alex_muntada: can you file a bug about that too? we should catch that bug [04:07] alex_muntada: You do not have any deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list. We should catch that. [04:07] but I agree with seb128 [04:07] you can also pass a custom bug list URL to the bughelper, with -l [04:07] this only works with packages in the packages folder right? === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DA00B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:07] dholbach: sure [04:07] gnomefreak: bughelper will only issue clues it has in the packages/ folder [04:08] dsas: you're right, thanks! [04:08] k [04:08] gnomefreak: one of the next steps will be to have 'general clues' [04:08] gnomefreak: so that totem.info can inherit from gnome.info or something like that [04:08] ok cool [04:08] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bughelper/+bug/79151 [04:08] Malone bug 79151 in bughelper "support global clues" [Undecided,Confirmed] [04:08] thanks heno :) [04:08] ty heno [04:09] if you examine one of the .info files, you will see that it could be a bit irksome to type in all the XML yourself [04:09] that's why I added bugxml -sa yesterday [04:09] which will do the work for the simple cases for you [04:09] that's roughly what bughelper can do for you at the moment [04:10] I'm very happy with what we've achieved - thanks to all the contributors [04:10] given that the effort is only around 4 weeks old ;-) [04:10] are there any questions up until now? [04:10] Yeah, bit really rocks to see patches coming in! [04:10] *it [04:11] Any suggestions? [04:11] Any crazy ideas off the top of your head? [04:11] Ok, let's move on then [04:11] The future, of course, looks bright [04:12] we'll move on to version 0.1 now and only implement tiny bits and pieces and QA it properly [04:12] Could bughelper also look in upstream BTSes for dupes? [04:12] heno: at some stage... why not? [04:12] agree about the 0.1 plan [04:12] we marked a bunch of bugs as 0.1: https://launchpad.net/bughelper/+milestone/0.1 [04:12] and most of them are easy fixes and enhancements, so there's plenty of room to get involved [04:13] :-) === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C0B7A4.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:13] we want it to live packaged in Ubuntu, but I'd personally recommend: implemeting all the 0.1 bugs, then QA for 2 weeks (and of course add lots of .info clues), then upload to Ubuntu [04:13] what do you think about that? [04:14] cool! universe, I take it [04:14] dholbach: sounds good [04:14] heno: indeed [04:14] (if you plan to hack a bit on bughelper yourself, these are the bugs marked as 'bitesize': https://launchpad.net/bughelper/+bugs?field.tag=bitesize - they should be really easy and good to work on, if you want to contribute) [04:14] ok cool [04:14] :-) [04:15] we absolutely need documentation for it [04:15] Just filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/bughelper/+bug/80453 [04:15] Malone bug 80453 in bughelper "You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list" [Medium,Confirmed] [04:15] so if you want to help with that, I'd highly appreciate it [04:15] alex_muntada: thanks a lot [04:15] :) [04:15] dholbach: I've a question [04:15] we need wiki docs, manpages and a nice README [04:15] seb128: fire away [04:15] has anybody talked with launchpad guys about it? [04:15] how does the bughelper query impact on the lp load? === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:15] seb128: yes, I sent a mail to their list already and matsubara was nice enough to comment on a bug [04:16] seb128: dsas changed the http user agent to "bughelper ..." so they can track our load on it [04:16] good [04:16] because I don't want to DoS launchpad because many people start doing huge query with it [04:16] we need documentation on: [04:16] * usage of the commands (all flags explained) [04:17] * how to add clues [04:17] * process docs - how we collaborate [04:17] * tiny recipes, that explain how you work with it [04:17] (anything else you can think of?) [04:18] can somebody of you imagine contributing to bughelper in any way? [04:18] be it documentation, code, clue files, bug reports or anything else? :) [04:19] ok, I see - let's move on then [04:19] hehe [04:19] * we need people to spread the word (in blogs, mailing lists, etc. :)) [04:19] I think that will show itself later :-) [04:19] yesterday I started to look at the docbook example that you suggested (kxmame) [04:20] alex_muntada: ah nice... did it look manageable? [04:20] but it's based on KDE handbooks [04:20] is it fine for bughelper? [04:20] alex_muntada: the one contained in debian/? [04:20] alex_muntada: that's used to build a manpage iirc [04:21] (thanks heno btw for spreading the word already :-)) [04:21] dholbach: I'm not sure it was the one on debian, let me check [04:21] alex_muntada: ah ok, yeah - there might have been others too [04:21] a last item (apart from general Q&A), I'd like to talk about is the processes we need to work on bughelper [04:22] I envisioned doing commits to ~bugsquad/bughelper/bughelper.main only after peer review [04:22] and heno, dsas, Vassilis Pandis and Brian Murray and I have been quite good with that already [04:22] does that happen on IRC? [04:22] so after one review (either in bug reports, mails on the mailing list) a merge and push to bughelper.main should be fine [04:23] of course this is not suitable for additions and changes to clue files [04:23] what do you think about that? [04:23] how did it work for you until now? === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:23] Nafallo: we did some small discussions about patches yesterday in IRC on #ubungu-bugs, yes [04:23] dholbach: nice. so peer review on any suitable forum then ;-) === kylem [i=kyle@fruit.freedesktop.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:23] Nafallo: but until now the development happened mostly off-irc, which I think is very good [04:23] sounds good :-) [04:24] the process so far has been fine by me. Patches still get pushed quickly and I'd be uncomfortable with my work going in without them. [04:24] them being reviews :) [04:24] dsas: same for me [04:24] heno, seb128: what do you think? === cypher1_ [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-78a3298fc35ffe1f] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:24] dholbach: review for code changes are good [04:24] I'm probably not the best person to be main reviewer [04:25] as my python is quite weak [04:25] heno: but what do you think about the idea? [04:25] dholbach: how are commit access handled? [04:25] seb128: everybody in ~bugsquad can commit to ~bugsquad/bughelper/bughelper.main [04:25] sounds sound [04:25] dholbach: well, I would trust people to not abuse [04:25] seb128: so we're really lax about commit access, which I think is good (until it should really prove otherwise) [04:25] me too [04:26] I like the idea too, though my python is also weak [04:26] and that's not a stable app that we need to be careful not to break [04:26] the review is not really required [04:26] I'll try to only upload to Ubuntu what has really proven to be stable === Lure_ [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:26] so how should we proceed about changes/additions to clue files? [04:26] my feeling is that bug reports for that are too heavy [04:27] maybe have a "proposed-clue" directory to bzr somewhere [04:27] have people to commit there [04:27] since I just began to work with bzr and launchpad for devel, I'll ask any of you before committing anything to main branch [04:27] and have somebody in charge of merging interest clues then [04:27] could we just send files to the ML? [04:28] at some stage we should move to another list ;-) [04:28] but that is imho not now [04:28] maybe people would find it easier to paste an xml file into a bug report rather than having to learn about bzr and LP. [04:28] heno: I don't think flooding the list is a good diea [04:28] idea [04:28] dsas: agreed [04:28] should we just make a good document on how to commit them directly, forcing them to use bzr diff | diffstat before committing? [04:28] dsas: people who don't know about bzr probably don't know enough to determine what clues are interesting [04:29] I agree with dsas. committing to bzr can be scary [04:29] I don't want a zillion of clue with are not useful there [04:29] I like seb128s idea :-) [04:29] that's like tags [04:29] which raises an interesting question: [04:29] seb128: If they're in the bug tracker then a set of bughelper hackers can choose which ones to commit. [04:29] there is people are who tag "package" bugs with the tag "package" [04:29] seb128: but there are more people triaging bugs that could know enough to write clues even if they know nothing about bzr [04:30] how do we know which clues are useful? [04:30] the same people are able to add a "package" clue to "package" :p [04:30] heno: I don't think we can ever know that [04:30] heno: unless we maintain that package [04:30] I do know what GNOME clues would be useful or not [04:30] (or take reasonable good care for it) [04:30] that's the frequent crashers or problems sent [04:30] s/for/of [04:30] ok [04:31] we could also split the branches [04:31] bughelper and bughelper-data [04:31] and also package them separately [04:31] dholbach: good idea! [04:31] we probably wouldn't have to subscribe the bugsquad to bughelper-data, so they wouldn't show up on the list [04:31] but just people who'd take care of merging them in [04:32] that way we can package them in large groups: bughelper-data-gnome, bughelper-data-kde, bughelper-data-xorg... [04:32] we can see if that will ever prove necessary [04:32] seb128, dsas, heno: does that idea make sense? [04:33] yep, makes sense imho [04:33] yes, I think one package bughelper-data is enough though [04:33] although it can be quite hairy to have two separate branches to update [04:33] dunno if a branch in a branch works [04:33] Makes sense to me. [04:34] dholbach: don't bother, the package is small enough to get frequent updates [04:34] are we likely to change the xml file structure much from now on? [04:34] and KDE people will not change GNOME clues anyway [04:34] no need to split [04:34] seb128: so you'd just work with the bughelper-data package and not with checkouts? [04:35] heno: maybe add [04:35] heno: that's all I can think about right now [04:35] dholbach: well, we package from bzr [04:35] dholbach: no split to -data-gnome, -data-kde, etc though [04:35] seb128: ./bughelper/ = one branch [04:35] seb128: ./bughelper/packages = another branch [04:35] Why not provide two binaries from a single source, so as to defer the one/two branches decision? [04:35] seb128: that's my concern [04:35] dholbach: perhaps too [04:36] dholbach: I've no string preference [04:36] with triaging tips for that pkg [04:36] heno: it's no problem to add optional tags [04:36] ok [04:36] ok, let's defer the -data discussion [04:36] i'll think about it some more and try to figure out something clever [04:37] for now it should be possible to just change them in .main [04:37] if you add them yourself, they come in via mail or bug report, no problem [04:37] I think your last version is sound [04:37] heno: what do you mean? [04:37] having a separate branch will encourage clue file upoads [04:38] because you don't worry so much about breaking the whole thing [04:38] heno: we'll have the problem of having different branches on the disk, if we work from ~/bzr [04:38] seb128: ./bughelper/ = one branch [04:38] seb128: ./bughelper/packages = another branch [04:38] yeah [04:38] I'm not sure that works [04:39] hm, ok [04:39] let's work it out next week [04:39] we can still figure that out - on the list probably [04:39] yeah [04:39] can't we just bzr ignore bughelper/packages ? [04:39] dsas: we need to try that [04:39] brb, trying new GTK [04:40] we could also set a LOCAL_BUGHELPER_DATA_DIR in ~/.bashrc [04:40] and use that in addition to /usr/share/bughelper/packages (which the package will install to) [04:40] dholbach: you were right about docbook man page... it was on debian [04:40] dholbach: I'll try to get a man page ready [04:40] that way we could have ~/bzr/bughelper/ and ~/bzr/bughelper-data/ [04:40] taking suggestions on packages/clues to add? [04:41] alex_muntada: thanks a lot - you should be able to reuse README [04:41] gnomefreak: what do you mean? === gnomefreak would be happy with apt, update-manger and the alike clues [04:41] heno: I think we should start a wiki page on BugHelper/Dev/SplittingOutData or something [04:42] yep [04:42] gnomefreak: if we have people who care about certain packages that's great [04:42] gnomefreak: so if you want to commit some clues for that, that's VERY cool [04:42] dholbach: once i figure it out i will try [04:42] ok cool [04:43] gnomefreak: we'll set up a document for that [04:43] ok ty [04:43] are there any other questions? [04:43] not from me [04:43] any concerns from the launchpad folks: matsubara-lunch? :) [04:44] has anyone actually found it useful so far? [04:44] just curious [04:44] excellent question :) [04:44] seb128 and cjwatson have used it to grep through bug attachments afaik [04:44] I have, and I think Colin has [04:44] seb128 told me he found 2 dups that LP didn't find === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:45] I found out about it in the beginning of this meeting ;-) [04:45] yeah, cjwatson too all my low hanging ubiquity fruit one day :-/ [04:45] *took === dholbach makes bug 79151 a 0.1 feature [04:45] Malone bug 79151 in bughelper "support global clues" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79151 [04:45] that's teach me to make open source tools [04:46] *that'll [04:46] :) === heno can't type today === dholbach hugs heno === heno hugs dholbach [04:46] ok... if you don't have anything you want to bring up now, let's close the meeting and go back to hacking or bug triaging :-) [04:46] oh, I have something [04:47] hmm, translating ;-) [04:47] if you think that one of the open bugs https://launchpad.net/bughelper/+bugs classifies to be a must 0.1 feature, say so in the bug [04:47] dholbach: if don't have anything new for me to make up-to-date? :-) [04:47] Nafallo: make up-to-date? [04:47] dholbach: "new upstream release" [04:48] translating would be nice... although I think it'd be quite irksome to translate all the clues [04:48] dholbach: I was thinking about taking bug 79222 (docs) but I'd like to know what doc tools should I use, docbook? [04:48] Malone bug 79222 in bughelper "RFE: add documentation to bughelper" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79222 [04:48] translated error logs might actually be a problem for bughelper [04:48] and given that LP Bugs is completely in english, ... [04:48] maybe we can translate the docs though? [04:48] alex_muntada: those can be plain text files [04:48] if the clue has english text but the log has german or swedish === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:48] rulus: sure, why not [04:49] dholbach: oh. I was more suggesting I should go back to translating gajim before the 0.11.1 release :-) [04:49] dholbach: great, far easier to do [04:49] if you want to translate documents, sure go ahead - we'll add them [04:49] Nafallo: ah ok [04:49] right, but the syslogs can be in any language [04:49] I don't think there's much use of bughelper being in german/spanish or something [04:49] heno: we can just filter for that [04:49] agreed :-) [04:49] ok [04:49] heno: we just ignore it's another language - it's merely a string :) [04:50] Ok cool [04:50] Going Once... [04:50] Going Twice... [04:50] Meeting Adjourned [04:50] i'll add the log to the wiki [04:50] thanks everybody [04:50] Great meting, thanks all! [04:50] thanks dholbach [04:50] thanks YOU :-) [04:51] s/s// [04:51] thanks for keeping us up to date :) [04:51] ty [04:51] anytime - bughelper is a great project to work on [04:51] dholbach: thank you ;) === dholbach hugs everybody [04:52] thanks! === alex_muntada hugs dholbach === gnomefreak *hugs* dholbach === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] === rulus [n=roel@d54C1A033.access.telenet.be] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] === DBO [n=DBO@unaffiliated/dbo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === cypher1_ [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-4024e6422504b184] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:58] I missed the meeting didnt I.. [04:58] back to reading I suppose :( [05:00] Yawner: the bughelper meeting?, yes you did. Do you have the log? === Klaidas [i=Klaidas@unaffiliated/klaidas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:01] @schedule VIlnius [05:01] Schedule for Europe/Vilnius: 18 Jan 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 20 Jan 17:00: Xubuntu | 24 Jan 14:00: Edubuntu | 25 Jan 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 30 Jan 22:00: Technical Board | 31 Jan 22:00: Edubuntu === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] [05:02] Yeah I have been sitting in here since yesterday, ill read it back in a sec === luka74 [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:03] @schedule barcelona === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [05:03] let's move to #ubuntu-bugs [05:03] Yawner: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugHelper/Dev/Meetings/20070118 [05:04] @schedule madrid [05:04] Schedule for Europe/Madrid: 18 Jan 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 20 Jan 16:00: Xubuntu | 24 Jan 13:00: Edubuntu | 25 Jan 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 30 Jan 21:00: Technical Board | 31 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[n=till@bl7-104-60.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Ubuntu Development Team | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 20 Jan 15:00 UTC: Xubuntu | 24 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 25 Jan 16:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 30 Jan 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 31 Jan 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu === ryanakca [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:55] heno: re earlier, yes, bughelper is now an important part of my workflow [09:55] good evening [09:55] need to get round to contributing clue file changes back [09:55] cjwatson: cool :) [09:55] g'afternoon mdz. [09:55] evening [09:56] (I haven't updated to the XML bughelper yet) [09:56] did anyone hear from Scott about whether he'll be here? [09:57] not I === kwah [n=kwah@d100246.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:57] who do we have so far? [09:57] cjwatson: we should get input on the clue files from maintainers of various large packagers to help people triage better === kwwii [n=kwwii@p54955F75.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:57] absolutely [09:58] hi [09:58] evening [09:58] hello [09:58] cjwatson: bugxml -sa ubiquity :-) [09:59] kwwii,bdmurray: welcome! [09:59] yep, I just need to switch to it - I have local changes so it's not entirely trivial [09:59] glad to hear you'll be attending the sprint next week [09:59] I mentioned to bdmurray that he didn't need to give a report this week, of course [09:59] mdz: thanks === jbailey [n=jbailey@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:59] seb128,pitti,Keybuk,mvo,doko,Mithrandir,sfllaw,Riddell,iwj,BenC: ping [10:00] hi all [10:00] Hello. [10:00] Riddell mentioned that there was a meeting, and I thought i would pop by even though I really don't have much to say (yet) [10:00] mdz, benc is en route to london [10:00] kylem: ah, yes [10:00] pong === ogra is here [10:00] mdz: Hello. [10:00] pitti is on holiday iirc [10:01] yes [10:01] mdz, pong [10:01] mvo too === cjwatson checks the calendar [10:01] that leaves seb128 and Mithrandir [10:01] all three of them [10:02] cjwatson: three of whom? [10:02] calendars [10:02] canonicaladmin.com, wiki.c.c, google [10:02] ah [10:03] ok, time to get started [10:03] dholbach: would you start us off? [10:03] Done [10:03] * bug triage [10:03] * bughelper action [10:03] * bughelper meeting [10:03] * art builder fixes [10:03] [10:03] Todo: [10:03] * GNOME 2.18.0 [10:03] * distro sprint [10:03] * improve art builder [10:03] * bug triage [10:03] === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:04] I've added a bughelper agenda item for the sprint [10:04] it would be good to familiarize more folks with it [10:04]