=== cslater [n=chatzill@adsl-69-108-235-181.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:33] Hi folks - wanted to let you know that the site I run - Instalinux - gives an option to install edubuntu now [12:33] For Edgy install [12:33] interesting, cool [12:35] You select Ubuntu, and then one of the options - under bundles - is to pick Edubuntu [12:35] Showed Edubuntu to some teachers recently btw - they were SO amazed. 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[10:49] willvdl: I managed to get hold of claire [10:49] good. all sorted? [10:49] yup === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.48.78.65] has joined #edubuntu [10:51] !seen pips1 [10:51] I last saw pips1 (n=philipp@55-158.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch) 1d 11h 46m 49s ago, quiting: "Ex-Chat" [10:52] what does LTCM stand for now? [10:55] Linux thin client manager? [10:55] ah [10:56] well, I suppose I better get to bed [10:57] almost 02:00 here [10:58] nn [10:58] cya all tomorrow ... err later today ;-) [10:58] ciao === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === pips1 [n=philipp@195.216.81.229] has joined #edubuntu [11:07] willvdl: ping [11:08] pong [11:08] sorry I'm late [11:08] I was talking to someone in the office [11:08] no worries, my inbox is huge today [11:09] are you fine with chatting now? [11:09] I'd just like to chat about web & wiki [11:10] so that I'm in tune with your plans & goals and stuff [11:10] ok [11:10] I started a https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki/Cleanup page for [11:10] cleaning up our wiki. [11:11] more as a resource for me but it proves quite handy. [11:11] wow that is a good structured page [11:11] and a https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki/Archive so that I don't delete anything [11:12] and I read through all your site planning pages [11:13] great. any questions lingering on your mind? [11:13] now the www site has docs in it [11:13] I asked Jerome about that [11:14] he said it was a first pass at getting some solid docs like isntall guides etc. [11:15] How do you feel about keeping such docs in the drupal site? [11:16] well... I'm not 100% sure of how things will change in the next months... I think RichEd should make the final decisions... [11:16] I can tell you what the two of us have talked about though [11:17] okie [11:17] morning [11:17] There will be two "sites" (with individual domain names) [11:18] one is the official, already existing edubuntu.org/.com site [11:18] and the new one [11:18] the other one is the to be developed edubuntu community site [11:18] yeah [11:18] the first one will be fairly small and hold mostly static content [11:19] the second one will be (hopefully) very dynamic and community driven [11:19] right [11:20] that's the *edubuntu*-specific side of things... it has to interweave with the whole other *buntu universe, of course [11:20] how do you see that working? [11:20] forums, ML, LP etc [11:20] wiki... [11:21] Matt Nuzum is trying to improve the whole "official" ubuntu site and links to "sub-sites" / partner-sites situation, AFIAK [11:21] ok [11:22] will our wiki space stay where it is? [11:22] the important part is that people new to *buntu don't get lost... [11:22] true [11:22] ++ [11:23] RichEd wants to "re-brand" the edubuntu wiki and align it better to the ubuntu wiki style [11:23] in look and feel? [11:23] or content structure [11:25] both wikis are in the same repository, so that you can find any wiki page e.g. /EdubuntuWiki at *both* domains wiki.u.c and wiki.edubuntu.org ... the look depends on what domain you use... [11:25] not really. the look depends on the stylesheet you choose in your settings (if logged in) [11:25] but I'm with you there [11:26] ok, you can override styles in your settings, but most first time visitory and novice users wont really know about individual settings [11:26] *visitors [11:27] OK. our wiki stays physically where it is though right? [11:27] yes [11:27] cool. same with forums? [11:28] personally, I feel that wikis are the way forward for collaborative documentation. wikipedia... [11:29] true. you familiar with help.ubuntu.com? [11:29] the forums will stay where they are... but we will try to center/encourage educational topics on our new drupal community site [11:30] gotcha. I'm aware of the scope of the new community scope [11:30] (and am quite excited about it) [11:30] OK, lets get back to documentation... [11:30] i.e. use drupal forums feature for educational topics and keep the more "pure" technical topics in the ubuntuforums area [11:31] i haven't really read much on help.u.c so far [11:31] well, help.u.c has a wiki for all *buntu wiki docs [11:31] but I'm aware it exists... I don't really know what is going on in the whole documentation space though [11:32] and wiki.u.c is the planning/collaboration/LP spec/everything else wiki space [11:32] right [11:32] in short: *buntu Documentation goes on help.u.c [11:32] that's what I figured so far [11:32] easy enough :) but confusing sometimes. Doc team is working on making it clear [11:33] you are talking about *polished* / finalised documentation on help.u.c, right? [11:33] well, there are the "packaged" SVN docs [11:33] what isn't clear to me is the *process* of documentation [11:33] and the wiki space [11:33] their is the SVN repository which can be previewed on doc.ubuntu.com [11:34] I'll write a page to demysity it as soon as I can [11:34] demystify rather [11:34] ah, I almost forgot about doc.u.c [11:34] pips1, essentially the community works on the wiki to produce info [11:34] so what is the difference about doc.u.c and help.u.c ? [11:34] and then community also takes that info and pops it into docbook in the SVN [11:35] doc.u.c is a WIP snapshot [11:35] ic [11:35] help.u.c is a tagged release i.e.edgy docs etc. [11:35] ok [11:35] the docs in the SVN get packaged into ubuntu-docs.deb etc and released [11:36] are there people working offline and using only the svn repository ? or does everybody use the wiki web interface? [11:36] they go into yelp, khelpcentre etc., browser startpage, PDF...anything [11:36] pips1, there are guys who work mostly on SVN === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:36] not many but enough (edubuntu lacks though... ++ for nixternal and LAserJock) [11:37] LTCM has tileable vnc viewer [11:37] ;) [11:37] awesome of what [11:37] cbx33 ++ [11:37] i see, does the "svn direct input" stuff surface on the doc.u.c wiki ? on how? (what interval, etc?) [11:37] only problem is it's a little intensive on the old cpu at the moment [11:37] will be sorting that out asap [11:37] but concept wise it's there [11:37] pips1 not sure of the frequency of the build. hope it is daily [11:38] but svn checkout is always current [11:39] it is subtle what info goes in SVN but I'd like to think that the core work gets done on wiki and the SVN authors just pull the info into docbook from the wiki [11:39] ok, so the snv stuff is published on the doc.u.c wiki... is that content locked? or can people change those pages through wiki-editing? (and if so, doesn't that break versioning of svn)? [11:40] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/DocumentationTeam has a guide on contributing [11:40] basically, you can be granted SVN access if you prove yourself [11:40] you prove yourself by supplying patches to the docs [11:41] no wiki editing unfortunately [11:41] so if I want to suggest a change for a page on doc.u.c, I have to formally apply with a 'change patch'? ah.... [11:42] yip. until you get access like cbx33 :) [11:42] this process seems to work fine cause the docteam are quite good at it === migi [i=migi@nat/sun/x-98b49b1d6b08b71e] has joined #edubuntu [11:42] wow, I thought that people can edit wiki-wise... wow [11:43] the wiki is free-for-all, the svn is a little better protected or moderated [11:43] So most wiki-editing features aren't really used at all on doc.u.c ! [11:43] the reason being that the svn info gets packaged and is "official" [11:43] doc.u.c is not a wiki [11:43] ahhh ok [11:44] edubuntu's current problem is either a lack of docs or a lack of structure for our docs [11:44] hold on.. is help.u.c a wiki? [11:45] help.u.c frontpage is static [11:45] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/DocumentationTeam is wiki [11:45] oops, sorry [11:45] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UserDocumentation is wiki [11:46] oh [11:46] there are pro's and con's on this structure but if you check th ML's you'll see it was not an easy or quick debate :) [11:47] anyway, the technical docs we have in our drupal site *should* logically go into SVN docbook docs [11:47] so people can edit wiki pages "below" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UserDocumentation I take it? [11:47] yip [11:47] delete/rename privilages are not free though [11:48] so what is the "hierarchy" system for documentors? svn rights, wiki delete/rename rights? [11:49] something like that [11:49] but SVN docs and wiki docs, although related, are not the same thing [11:49] or do you get both access to svn and wiki editing if you proved yourself? [11:49] to edit/create wiki pages on help.u.c is free to all [11:49] i mean you gain access in one step [11:50] delete/rename rights, I'm not sure [11:50] maybe join ubuntu-website team or something... don't know [11:50] but you can always request that action through LP or email etc. [11:51] I see how the process (and storage) is different for snv and help.u.c documentation, but what is the logical difference regarding those two "kinds" of documentation? [11:51] good question :) [11:51] well, [11:52] SVN docs are "official" and get packaged. they appear on the website as official docs, the go into the desktop Yelp system and PDF versions [11:52] there is little margin for error in them [11:52] right [11:52] The SVN authors either get their info from the wiki docs (free to contributions) or from their own heads [11:53] I like this structure given one thing: [11:53] so the wiki docs are some sort of "staging" area for the official docs.. [11:53] yeah. essentially. [11:54] as such they will generally contain more info but may not necessarily be wellw ritten etc. [11:54] The SVN docs are easily tagged to release. Edgy docs vs dapper docs etc. SVN does that naturally [11:54] but the wiki doesn't [11:55] so I'm a little concerned about info on the wiki that goes out of date. [11:55] i understand [11:55] hence my interest in the HelpWikiQualityAssurance spec [11:55] but it si easily dealt with, just need consistency [11:56] and as ogra suggested, good use of wiki namespaces [11:56] or categories etc. [11:57] also, I do wonder how they make sure that inter-documentation references work... I suppose that the snv documentors need to re-link everything when they take a wiki doc page and destill it into a snv doc page/element [11:57] you'll see contributions to SVN docs come as: email suggestions, patches sent to editors, irc conversations or Launchpad bugs [11:58] yeah, I'm out of date with docbook tech but they do something like that [11:58] wow, those documentors are doing a trememdous job! [11:58] #ubuntu-doc is a good channel [11:58] tremendous [11:59] The doc team has some good guys in it [11:59] very dedicated [11:59] I'd like to ask you a quick question? [11:59] go ahead [11:59] we have some "overlap" on the www and wiki site [12:00] frontpage, community page, getting help page etc. [12:00] which www site? are you talking about www.edubuntu.org and wiki.edubuntu.org ? [12:00] yes [12:00] what do you mean by overlap [12:00] ? [12:01] well [12:01] take the frontpages for each [12:01] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki & http://www.edubuntu.org/ [12:01] same info, slightly different in places [12:02] http://www.edubuntu.org/Community & https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCommunity [12:02] the wiki is generally a bit out of date [12:02] compared to www site [12:03] right [12:03] I think we should try and decide what will go on www site and delete it from the wiki [12:04] i.e. community page is pretty static, may change once a year. [12:04] let's take a step back [12:05] let's consider two aspects [12:05] people who contribute information to sites, and novices that make their first steps with the *ubuntu universe [12:06] ok? [12:06] now, let's just look at the people who contribute, and their tools [12:07] wiki, docbook, drupal etc? [12:07] let's assume that everyone who contributes the most "official" stuff is knowlegable about the tools and process the most [12:07] right [12:08] those people are happy to use any tool... generally speaking [12:08] yeah [12:09] for technical people, they will use command line snv tools, through-the-web wiki editing... you name it they can do it (although they might have distinct preferences) [12:09] novices will most likely start with wiki editing? [12:10] then, there might be an intermediate group... I always thought that these people are happy to learn wiki-syntax, which doesn't come 100% naturally [12:10] novices... hm [12:10] I think of wiki-editors as intermediate [12:10] ok I'm with you [12:12] keep in mind, most of the ubuntu community is currently still slanted towards people who are generally fond and fascinated by new technology [12:12] uhuh [12:13] so if you look at this "elite", the wiki-editors might appear as novice... but when you target people that aren't technologists, they are intermediate [12:13] so novices are more like: email [12:14] the "true" novice might use email, and possibly forums (with wysiwyg editors) [12:14] also, novices might not be so good to navigate the www [12:15] if the www is made too complex that is [12:15] they don't google their way around... they find a site, and then try to discover stuff from there... by navigation links on the site. [12:16] so "core" links and info must stem from the front page [12:16] the *buntu universe is rather complex: with official site, LP, wiki, forums, ML, etc., etc. [12:16] :) [12:16] mind you, I'm still talking with people in mind who will *contribute* stuff [12:17] willvdl, i ordered some powered by edubuntu stickers by jenda;) [12:17] juliux, didn't know we had any :) [12:17] e.g. educators who want to contribute to the edubuntu project, or simply who want to discuss and share something about education [12:17] willvdl, we will have now some;) [12:18] pips1, how does this relate to the wiki vs www? [12:20] to cut it short: I think we should use the wiki as an "editing/contribution tool" for all "official and semi-official information" [12:20] edubuntu.org doesn't really need to be a drupal site [12:21] but the edubuntu community site does [12:21] true. but for edubuntu.org to have nice news reels etc, it helps to use a CMS [12:21] mind you, that is Matt Nuzum's domain right? [12:21] hmm [12:22] what do you mean by "that" is "Matt Nuzum's domain" ? [12:22] meaning edubuntu.org, kubuntu.com and ubuntu.com is his responsability? [12:23] well, I guess it is his responsibility technically. [12:23] anyway, not really important [12:23] right [12:24] so what stuff would you keep on the www.e.org rather than the wiki? [12:24] anyway, I think the line goes more along "official and (fairly) static" and "community and very dynamic" === Slayer84 [n=peter@0x55508d0a.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #edubuntu === pips1 pauses for a moment and tries to think how "ubuntu" does their news [12:26] planet, fridge etc I think [12:26] and a banner at top of www.u.c [12:26] right! fridge is drupal powered [12:27] www.u.c has "news" stories in nodes on frontpage [12:27] but mainly release announcements etc. [12:27] let's try to distinguish 'content creation' and 'content display' [12:28] easy enough [12:28] I think the content creation is done in drupal and then that content is syndicated to other places via rss feeds, no? [12:28] for fridge? [12:29] I'm not sure how it works, really, but my guess is that news items on the fridge authored in drupal. [12:29] and individual noteworthy news items might then by fed into the u.c site [12:30] but I'm not sure how it's done, really [12:30] there is a page explaining how it works [12:30] there is? [12:31] can't remember where. anyway we digress :) [12:32] let's start a temp wiki page for deciding what info/page goes on www site and what goes on wiki? [12:33] I think this is relative priority since I've already had mails along the lines of people not knowing which info is the right stuff [12:34] got confused between duplicate info that was slightly different or dated [12:34] well, what I'm trying to get at is that the "ubuntu world" uses specialised tools for each "task". they have wiki for (lots of things, but amongst them the official static site), drupal for news, vBulletin for ubuntuforums, ... [12:35] uhuh [12:35] however, for our edubuntu "niche", I suggest use the wiki for the official site and drupal as a combined news+forums site [12:36] you're talking about the new community site? [12:36] most of the news will be community driven anyway [12:36] yes [12:36] ah, I'm talking about the official site [12:37] well, I suggest that we might as well convert everything on the current edubuntu.org official site into the wiki, as locked pages ? [12:37] ok [12:38] similar to how it is done for u.c [12:38] okay. [12:38] either way [12:38] there are some static and locked wiki pages that are the official info, but they reside in the wiki nevertheless (i think) [12:39] ok. the www.e.org will then link to wiki pages for community, how to contribute, etc [12:39] right, you what to get the duplication problem sorted [12:39] I have no problem with having some "Static" pages on the www.e.org site for "where the community is" [12:40] "how to contribute" etc. [12:40] all the basic and static info can end up in locked wiki pages, IMO [12:40] but whether it is on www or wiki is not really a problem [12:40] fine with me. [12:40] when will RichEd be back? [12:41] not sure, next week? [12:41] I'll start a process of updating the wiki pages so that the www site has something to link to [12:41] I would like him to be on the same page... [12:41] whos good with network units? [12:41] I have a 35kb/s [12:41] is that high or low [12:42] comparred to a 100Mb/s connection [12:42] pips1, agreed [12:42] cbx33: 512kbps x 1000 = 512 000 bps [12:42] 512 000 bps / 8 = 64 000 Bps [12:42] 64 000 Bps / 1024 = 62.5 kBps [12:43] and so? [12:43] just to help with conversion [12:43] pips1, I think we're on the same page [12:44] willvdl: thanks [12:44] I think so too, but I haven't talked to RichEd since UDS MV [12:44] as this progresses, I'll try and input info as to how we use LP, ML etc [12:44] have a look at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCommunity/LaunchpadStructure [12:45] and while we have talked through a lot of things, we still need to agree on the exact plan and next steps [12:45] well, I'd like to seperate the new community site from the official site [12:46] and start working on a crisp and clear official edubuntu wiki space [12:46] fine with me :-) [12:46] secondary: move docs that are on www.e.org into doc-team space and hopefully into the handbook or isntall guide or something [12:47] My main problem is that I am running out of time to work on docs :) [12:47] as of Feb I am going to be on the road until April [12:48] yikes [12:48] pips1 I think priority is our "front" page and core links from it. [12:49] sure [12:49] for new users and existing users who want to contribute [12:49] I'd like to clear that up first. [12:49] 2) move technical docs to right place [12:49] mind you, there are currently only 9 pages in drupal that could move to the wiki, it isn't a lot [12:49] yeah, shouldn't take long [12:50] we have wiki weekend coming up. maybe use that [12:50] this weekend? [12:50] 3) look to see how we can get our edubuntu docteam and web team more inline and integrated with ubuntu teams [12:50] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiTeam/WikiWeekend [12:51] 4) see how new community site works with official site [12:51] what you think? === pips1 reads points again [12:52] I'm ok with those points. [12:53] for 1) I can certainly change the links from the front page once content (9 pages) has moved to wiki pages [12:53] cool. I'll start work on 1). It won't affect anything anyone should our minds change etc. [12:54] pips1, what do you think about wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki vs wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu? [12:54] I think 2) is a good move, since there needs to be some official documentation on LTSP that is shipped in edubuntu (Yelp) [12:54] sbalneav is on it [12:55] I'm hoping it can get into server guide too [12:55] wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu is probably better [12:55] yeah, more in line with Kubuntu etc. [12:55] but then again, I don't know how your names space for the wiki should work [12:56] We should check with the community though as it will affect peoples links and style [12:56] s/your namespace/the namespace [12:56] EdubuntuWiki is redundant since it is already a wiki :) [12:56] wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu as a frontpage make sense to me [12:57] it is already there [12:57] let's use that and just redirect from edubuntuwiki so that no one is affected [12:58] right [12:58] any sub-pages to edubuntuwiki were written by me so I'm happy to move them :) [12:59] have you thought of potential names for new comm site? [01:00] RichEd already got the name, but let's not mention it just here just now :-) [01:00] no prob :) [01:01] okie, I must run for now but will be back later [01:01] pips1, great chatting to you. thanks for the help [01:03] regarding 3) in general, I think it is good to "integrate" teams, but mind you, you might want to talk to people rather then just "reassigning" them :) it's not a big deal though, since we are only few and you probably already talked to most (?) [01:04] absolutely. [01:04] ok, good talking to you, cu [01:04] I try to do that in all the edubuntu meetings [01:04] most of the doc contributers are members of the doc-team [01:04] so moving stuff to doc-team space is no problem [01:05] just to let you know, I am now getting lots of doc-wiki related email, so I might actually sign off from the edubuntu-doc-team to avoid them... I don't have time to read them. [01:05] no worries [01:07] I'm just telling you that as a "feedback" so you know what reactions you might get when you did the "sub-teams" arrangement in LP :-) [01:08] noted, thanks [01:08] anyhoo, I must run now. catch you all in a few hours === willvdl [n=will@196.207.32.235] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [01:14] got to go too, cu folks === AstralJava [n=jaska@cm-087-94-053-172.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #edubuntu [01:52] Hey all! Does anyone else have problems with usb pendrives on ltsp clients? I have a situation where some stuff on the drive can be seen, but not everything that you can see on another machine, say like a normal linux laptop. For instance there are two directories, only one of which is accessible on the ltsp client machine. The drive is mounted normally every time, and no weird messages can be found in the logs, least the logs I am [01:53] AstralJava, nope, i havent see that ... [01:53] The system is actually not Edubuntu. It's very much like it, thought. Base install is from Dapper. [01:53] Okay thanks ogra! [01:53] dapper had no localdev support [01:54] thats only in since edgy [01:54] Hmm, I'll go look that one up. [01:54] in edgy its the default [01:54] (in edubuntu) [01:54] and easy to enable in normal ubuntu [01:55] Right on. [01:55] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices has some hints for edgy [01:56] Thanks! [02:07] ogra you there? [02:07] dude I have two vnc sessions in the LTCM window [02:07] cbx33, yes, but not for long discussions [02:07] no no...it's just a w00t statement [02:07] what does th eL stand for ? [02:07] LTSP [02:07] in LTCM = [02:07] I thought [02:07] nah [02:07] just TCM [02:07] target of the renaming is to suppress the LTSP name [02:08] ok [02:08] dude it's working [02:08] we'll have TCM and TCC [02:08] thats great [02:08] and load on the server isn't too high either [02:08] congrats [02:08] do yu read ubuntu-users ? [02:08] I've sent an email to the redhat guys but no responece yet [02:08] not usually.... [02:08] y? [02:08]