| seele | pinheiro, kwwii: ping | 12:21 |
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| pinheiro | hi seaLne | 12:21 |
| pinheiro | hi seele | 12:21 |
| pinheiro | :P | 12:21 |
| seele | hey | 12:21 |
| seele | i have an artistic challenge for you | 12:21 |
| pinheiro | hherhhehee | 12:21 |
| seele | what kind of web color scheme can you come up with for #800100 | 12:21 |
| seele | what colors go with red, other than black and white? | 12:22 |
| seele | _dark_ red, for that matter | 12:22 |
| pinheiro | this is not red | 12:22 |
| pinheiro | its green | 12:22 |
| seele | #800100 hex is green? | 12:22 |
| pinheiro | yep | 12:22 |
| kwwii | seele: pong | 12:22 |
| kwwii | red goes well with orange and yellow | 12:23 |
| kwwii | :-) | 12:23 |
| seele | kwwii: even a dark red? | 12:23 |
| kwwii | yepp | 12:23 |
| seele | pinheiro: i just checked the hex and its dark red | 12:23 |
| pinheiro | thre is a trick to find colors | 12:23 |
| seele | r:128 g:1 b:0 | 12:23 |
| kwwii | sure | 12:23 |
| kwwii | it has lots of red | 12:24 |
| kwwii | a little g | 12:24 |
| kwwii | and no blue | 12:24 |
| kwwii | exactly | 12:24 |
| kwwii | seele: there is a program where one can make a color scheme based on one color | 12:24 |
| kwwii | david has one | 12:25 |
| pinheiro | seele: go to the weel | 12:25 |
| seele | kwwii: high saturation on the orange or yellow? | 12:25 |
| kwwii | I think there are also website | 12:25 |
| pinheiro | the other corner of the tiangle always go nicly | 12:25 |
| kwwii | seele: the darker the red, the less saturation you want, I gues | 12:25 |
| kwwii | s | 12:25 |
| kwwii | although the yellow could have more saturation | 12:25 |
| kwwii | to be honest, unless I actually look at the color and play around with it I cannot tell you a definitive ansewr | 12:26 |
| kwwii | erm | 12:26 |
| kwwii | answer | 12:26 |
| pinheiro | well thare are lodas of colors that go well with this red the question is more what is the message an the style of the site | 12:26 |
| seele | kwwii: thats ok, this is better than me trying and making someone puke | 12:26 |
| kwwii | lol | 12:27 |
| kwwii | there are some purples, and blues that would go well with that too | 12:27 |
| kwwii | it also depends on how you use the colors | 12:27 |
| seele | pinheiro: #800100 is my company's color, and they have charged me with refreshing our website | 12:27 |
| kwwii | and what they are for | 12:27 |
| pinheiro | yea? | 12:27 |
| pinheiro | the global message? | 12:28 |
| kwwii | I just bought a sweater with blue, orange, purple, and red in it | 12:28 |
| kwwii | ;-) | 12:28 |
| seele | pinheiro: e-business card -- human factors and usability design | 12:28 |
| pinheiro | thats not a message :) | 12:28 |
| kwwii | seele: if you send us an example of where/how it is used I am sure we could help more | 12:28 |
| kwwii | a graphical example | 12:29 |
| seele | http://www.obso1337.org/ucd/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/logo.gif | 12:29 |
| seele | thats our logo | 12:29 |
| kwwii | oh, you could use several colors in that | 12:29 |
| kwwii | in fact, I would not suggest just using red orange and yellow | 12:29 |
| pinheiro | heven redo the intire stuf :P | 12:30 |
| kwwii | you need three dark color for that | 12:30 |
| seele | pinheiro: lol.. were not a design company, were just a bunch of people-engineers ;) | 12:30 |
| kwwii | that would make it stand out much more and allow for a more universal design | 12:30 |
| seele | well.. design, but not in the graphical sense | 12:30 |
| seele | kwwii: like dark teal or something? (i see it opposite of red on the color wheel) | 12:30 |
| kwwii | I would almost use the dark red, a dark blue and a dark green for that | 12:30 |
| kwwii | yeah | 12:30 |
| kwwii | complimentary colors for a logo are good | 12:31 |
| pinheiro | the frist thing that you need to think is what is our message? (what image we want to give of ourselfs) | 12:31 |
| seele | pinheiro: our tag like is "Making technology easy to use" | 12:31 |
| seele | *tag line | 12:31 |
| pinheiro | there is a difrence betwind message and content ;) | 12:32 |
| kwwii | if you want to keep is very serious, use that logo and add a dark orange and dark yellow for other parts (the lighter the color, the less you use it) | 12:32 |
| Hobbsee | seele!!! | 12:32 |
| seele | Hobbsee: hihi! | 12:32 |
| kwwii | I wish I could say hihi as man and still be taken seriously | 12:33 |
| kwwii | :p | 12:33 |
| pinheiro | the content of an issurance companie is the the insurance is great couse its sooo good | 12:33 |
| seele | kwwii: ok. that sounds edgey, but i will take your advice and try it | 12:33 |
| pinheiro | the message is that we are trustworthy | 12:33 |
| kwwii | seele: I could help more tomorrow, going to bed soon here | 12:33 |
| seele | kwwii: you could say heyhey and be like fat albert :) | 12:33 |
| seele | kwwii: no problem | 12:33 |
| kwwii | well, I am fat enough as it is | 12:33 |
| kwwii | trying to stay away from that metaphor | 12:33 |
| kwwii | :p | 12:34 |
| seele | i was just snagging some advice from two of the best graphics guys i know ;) | 12:34 |
| kwwii | ;-) | 12:34 |
| seele | kwwii: haha.. youre european now.. its hard for you to be FAT | 12:34 |
| kwwii | lol, I wish | 12:34 |
| seele | kwwii: youre fat is our normal | 12:34 |
| kwwii | now that is downright mean | 12:34 |
| pinheiro | you normal american :) | 12:34 |
| kwwii | pinheiro: no, not any more | 12:35 |
| kwwii | believe me | 12:35 |
| pinheiro | i know you got thin | 12:35 |
| kwwii | my wife is amazed | 12:35 |
| Hobbsee | seele: :) | 12:35 |
| pinheiro | so i have heard | 12:35 |
| kwwii | slowly getting back to normal | 12:35 |
| kwwii | anyway | 12:35 |
| kwwii | time for me to sleep | 12:35 |
| seele | l8rs | 12:35 |
| seele | Hobbsee: how are you? | 12:35 |
| kwwii | well, time to test one more thing, and then I will sleep, brb | 12:36 |
| kwwii | restarting my system | 12:36 |
| Hobbsee | seele: good - linux conf au open day was here yesterday, so that was cool :) | 12:36 |
| pinheiro | seele for this color i would advice you some non to saturated colors but the disign is more important | 12:36 |
| pinheiro | i used this color once in a design | 12:36 |
| pinheiro | letme see if i can find it | 12:36 |
| seele | Hobbsee: yeah, ive been seeing lots of linuxchix posts about it | 12:37 |
| seele | pinheiro: that would be cool | 12:37 |
| seele | pinheiro: i've made wireframes, but now they want me to put graphics and color in it -- i am far from being a visual designer | 12:37 |
| seele | my first go was black, red, and white. very flat | 12:37 |
| pinheiro | yea ita flat color | 12:38 |
| Hobbsee | seele: :) | 12:38 |
| pinheiro | its also a romantic color | 12:38 |
| pinheiro | so you cna folow that path | 12:38 |
| pinheiro | or you can go for the energie path of it | 12:38 |
| seele | hmm.. | 12:38 |
| pinheiro | couse its red | 12:38 |
| pinheiro | letme find the design | 12:39 |
| pinheiro | found it | 12:39 |
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| pinheiro | seele: http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=figjr3.png | 12:43 |
| pinheiro | ita a realy old design | 12:43 |
| pinheiro | put the messege was solid professional yet acessible | 12:44 |
| kwwii | pinheiro has a very good point, if you want to be very serious, use black aa a main color, it accents the dark red well | 12:44 |
| pinheiro | well that was my intention | 12:44 |
| kwwii | s/aa/as | 12:44 |
| seele | kwwii: go to bed! | 12:44 |
| kwwii | yeah | 12:45 |
| seele | lol | 12:45 |
| kwwii | well, I had to restart my x-server to see if my tablet works | 12:45 |
| kwwii | now I am going to bed | 12:45 |
| pinheiro | does it works now? | 12:45 |
| seele | pinheiro: ah, i see what you mean | 12:45 |
| seele | yes, i was trying to use too much of the red | 12:45 |
| kwwii | nope | 12:45 |
| seele | i should instead use it as an accent | 12:45 |
| kwwii | works like shit | 12:45 |
| pinheiro | hehehhe | 12:45 |
| kwwii | I am done for tongiht then | 12:45 |
| kwwii | see you all tomorrow | 12:46 |
| pinheiro | yea seele dont use red as the main color red is not a min color | 12:46 |
| pinheiro | main | 12:46 |
| pinheiro | its a to strong color with to strog meening | 12:46 |
| seele | yes, i bet that is my problem | 12:46 |
| pinheiro | like its nice to have a wall painted red | 12:47 |
| pinheiro | but dont paint your house | 12:47 |
| seele | hehe | 12:47 |
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| pinheiro | any way time for bed haswell | 12:47 |
| seele | 'night | 12:47 |
| seele | thanks for the help :) | 12:48 |
| pinheiro | there are lost of colors taht go well ith that clasic red | 12:48 |
| pinheiro | lost = lots | 12:48 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm patching knetworkconf tu support feisty | 12:50 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the patch is there but it doesn't work, I'm prompted to choose the system at launch and feisty isn't there | 12:53 |
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| Tonio_ | hum the patch doesn't apply for some reason..... I'm trying to fix | 01:03 |
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| allee | Riddell: there no UI translations in the (german) language pack. Known misfeature, that fixes itself, or a bug? | 01:17 |
| allee | mhmm, I only found 3.5.6 for edgy on kubuntu.org. I thought feisty pkgs were done first. Where are they? | 01:21 |
| allee | ^^ found repo in irc logs | 01:25 |
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| jeroenvrp | I try to find the list of versionnumbers of the applications in feisty - does anyone know where I find that?1 | 01:53 |
| jeroenvrp | ! | 01:53 |
| crimsun | packages.ubuntu.com | 01:53 |
| crimsun | alternately, use that in combination with apt-cache and/or launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/ | 01:54 |
| jeroenvrp | thanks crimsun | 01:54 |
| crimsun | the archive itself is definitive; lp offers a presentation of it; packages.uc may be slightly out of date due to update lag | 01:55 |
| jeroenvrp | ok thanks | 01:57 |
| jeroenvrp | I'm wondering if I should update from edgy to feisty now or in a month or so | 01:58 |
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| Tonio__ | Riddell: knetworkconf fixed, I'll also reupload adept since there is a file conflict issue between adept-notifier and adept-common | 02:33 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: I let the file in adept-common since notifier depends on it via -updater, and since all icons are already in -common | 02:33 |
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| manchicken | Is Feisty really going to put binary drivers on by default? | 02:46 |
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| manchicken | All dead here ^_^ | 03:22 |
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| manchicken | Riddell: I'm cool helping you out with your adept tasks. I'm hoping that I can get this bzr thing to work though. | 03:48 |
| manchicken | Riddell: I think I'll need some help getting the image into the deb though. | 03:49 |
| ryanakca | manchicken: http://pastebin.ca/321127 :) | 03:53 |
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| ryanakca | manchicken: nevermind :) | 03:54 |
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| manchicken | SWEET! I got stuff committing to bazaar! | 04:05 |
| manchicken | Anybody know if there's a vc bazaar module? | 04:07 |
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| manchicken | Wow, creating branches takes a LONG time. | 04:23 |
| Mez | Riddell: around ? | 04:27 |
| manchicken | Mez: Do you know I can add notes to a spec's wiki page without compromising the approved status of the spec? | 04:31 |
| Mez | *shrugsa* | 04:31 |
| manchicken | You're no fun anymore. | 04:40 |
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| manchicken | It's interesting that you've gotta give --enable-adept to the configure script in order to get it to build. heh | 05:29 |
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| manchicken | Anybody have a reproducible way to test adept_batch? | 05:47 |
| manchicken | Perhaps some test cases? | 05:47 |
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| Hobbsee | mhb: ping | 06:04 |
| === Hobbsee waves to all | ||
| ajmitch | hello Hobbsee | 06:09 |
| Hobbsee | heya ajmitch | 06:10 |
| manchicken | Hobbsee!!! Where do we hide the test cases? | 06:11 |
| Hobbsee | manchicken: the test cases? | 06:11 |
| manchicken | I need to figure out how to reliably test adept_batch. | 06:11 |
| Hobbsee | dunno. oh wiat | 06:11 |
| Hobbsee | manchicken: amarok uses adept_batch, to install libxine-extracodecs | 06:12 |
| Hobbsee | if you purge that from your system, then restart amarok, it'll give you that prompt again | 06:12 |
| manchicken | Okay. | 06:12 |
| === Hobbsee upgrades to 3.5.6 | ||
| === Tonio__ looks at kde-systemsetting svn structure and cries........ | ||
| Tonio__ | Hobbsee: did riddell finish the packages ? | 06:13 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio__: dunno, they seem to be there | 06:14 |
| Hobbsee | adept is reporting bugs, although i think that might have been from a previous update | 06:15 |
| Tonio__ | Hobbsee: if it's the file conflict I fixed that a couple of hours ago | 06:15 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio__: the .png file? | 06:15 |
| Hobbsee | probably just nto published to mirrors yet | 06:15 |
| Tonio__ | yup | 06:16 |
| manchicken | Okay... | 06:16 |
| manchicken | So I can just call adept_batch like apt... | 06:16 |
| Tonio__ | manchicken: yeah | 06:17 |
| manchicken | Groovy. | 06:17 |
| manchicken | That makes it much easier to test. | 06:18 |
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| manchicken | nighty night. | 06:19 |
| Hobbsee | jdong: finally some sense! | 06:26 |
| jdong | Hobbsee: what's that supposed to mean? ;-) | 06:26 |
| mhb | good morning | 06:26 |
| jdong | Hobbsee: I become more reasonable when I can see evidence of thought and progress :) | 06:27 |
| Hobbsee | jdong: that bug report | 06:27 |
| mhb | especially Hobbsee, who poked me | 06:27 |
| Hobbsee | hey mhb! what state is the testing team in? | 06:27 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 06:28 |
| jdong | Ohio? | 06:28 |
| mhb | yeah, Ohio, the fontconfig-was-kinda-broken-thus-waiting-for-the-next-testcd-with-advertising state | 06:30 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 06:30 |
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| jdong | which is the madwifi-oopses-on-load-so-I-cant-effin-install-herd-2 state? | 06:39 |
| jdong | ;-) | 06:39 |
| jdong | and YES, Hobbsee, there is a bug report filed :P | 06:39 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 06:39 |
| jdong | and no, I'm not a kernel developer and can't write the patch :) | 06:40 |
| rideout | Hobbsee: did you get 3.5.6 from kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356-test/ ? | 06:43 |
| Hobbsee | deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kde-356-feisty/ feisty main | 06:43 |
| Hobbsee | rideout: i've got them from ^ | 06:43 |
| yuriy | ooh sounds fun, need any help testing those? | 06:44 |
| rideout | Hobbsee: i'll have to wait, I'm still on edgy ... but maybe now is a good time start testing feisty | 06:44 |
| Hobbsee | rideout: could be...could indeed be :) | 06:44 |
| Hobbsee | rideout: assuming it boots, it's fine | 06:44 |
| Hobbsee | mostly | 06:44 |
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| yuriy | what compositor is planned for kubuntu feisty? | 06:49 |
| Hobbsee | heya yuriy | 06:50 |
| Hobbsee | yuriy: probably none | 06:50 |
| yuriy | oh :\ i thought that was one of the big features planned for feisty | 06:51 |
| Hobbsee | in ubuntu it is. | 06:52 |
| Hobbsee | havent you seen how dodgy beryl is on kubuntu? | 06:52 |
| yuriy | Hobbsee: only issues I have with it is the desktop pager doesn't work and hibernate/suspend don't work | 06:53 |
| yuriy | and the latter isn't kde specific afaik | 06:53 |
| Hobbsee | yuriy: you havent mentioned aquamarine | 06:53 |
| === nixternal prays that Beryl or Compiz never makes it into Kubuntu | ||
| Hobbsee | but yeah, pager is the biggest thing i noted | 06:53 |
| yuriy | Hobbsee: well, i've been using emerald with a clone of the edgy theme. so i guess that's kind of cheating | 06:54 |
| nixternal | hiya Hobbsee! | 06:54 |
| Hobbsee | hey nixternal :) | 06:55 |
| Hobbsee | yuriy: that is, yes. it needs to stay looking like kubuntu | 06:55 |
| Hobbsee | hrm. guess it does...but still | 06:55 |
| Hobbsee | it stops you using all of the kde themes, etc, unless there's a clone already done | 06:55 |
| yuriy | yup, i understand. hmm i should give aquamarine a try anyways i guess | 06:56 |
| chavo | yes aquamarine is working now | 06:56 |
| Hobbsee | chavo: oh nice! it kept sigseiving on me before | 06:57 |
| yuriy | too bad xcompmgr/kompmgr are still glitchier than beryl. but i guess they're obsolete now | 06:57 |
| chavo | It does on Crystal, but not other windecos for me | 06:57 |
| Hobbsee | well, kde 4 is built on that stuff, iir | 06:57 |
| Hobbsee | c | 06:57 |
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| yuriy | on aquamarine now | 07:00 |
| yuriy | oh and actually the most annoying problem i have with beryl is the black windows bug | 07:00 |
| chavo | never saw that one | 07:01 |
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| yuriy | chavo: what driver? it might be an nvidia specific problem. basically it runs out of memory or something and starts showing blank windows, usually remedied by closing some windows | 07:03 |
| chavo | yuriy, nvidia here too | 07:03 |
| firephoto | i get white wobbly windows here with beryl, i810 w/ G965 chip. | 07:04 |
| Hobbsee | it worries me that feisty people seem to be getting white windows with beryl | 07:05 |
| yuriy | hmm haven't seen that one, maybe an intel thing | 07:07 |
| yuriy | heh nvidia = black, intel = white | 07:07 |
| Hobbsee | heaps of people were reporting it | 07:07 |
| firephoto | i've read that it's fixed if you get the stars lined up right and built xorg/mesa/whatever in the right order. ;) | 07:08 |
| yuriy | i forgot, which one is ubuntu using? | 07:08 |
| yuriy | ah there's the sigsegv | 07:09 |
| yuriy | after switching windecos a few times | 07:10 |
| Tonio__ | bzr is SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW | 07:14 |
| Tonio__ | I getting nuts with it and kds | 07:14 |
| Hobbsee | heya Tonio__ | 07:15 |
| Tonio__ | hey Hobbsee :) | 07:16 |
| Tonio__ | 7am here and still not to bed...... shame on me | 07:16 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 07:16 |
| Mez | Tonio__, It seems there are huge issues with kxmame | 07:19 |
| Mez | I was trying to update it to make a depend on a mame emulator | 07:19 |
| Mez | and it all went horribly wrong | 07:19 |
| Tonio__ | Mez: yeah I know that was on my plans.... | 07:19 |
| Tonio__ | Mez: I'm an emulation super-specialist so unless you really want to do it, please let me that pleasure :) | 07:20 |
| Mez | Tonio__, go for it | 07:20 |
| Mez | it was just something I noticed :D | 07:20 |
| Tonio__ | Mez: I did the www.planetemu.net website, so.... | 07:20 |
| Tonio__ | ;) | 07:20 |
| Tonio__ | I'm doing this in the next hour once kds is uploaded | 07:21 |
| Mez | lol | 07:21 |
| Mez | kk | 07:21 |
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| Tonio__ | Mez: the point is that my package worked with dapper, maybe just kxmame isn't compatible with latest xmame versions.... | 07:24 |
| Mez | Tonio__, it's extremely foerked up ;) | 07:25 |
| Tonio__ | what ? kxmame ? | 07:25 |
| Tonio__ | Mez: ah it works...... | 07:30 |
| Tonio__ | Mez: what is the problem ? | 07:30 |
| Tonio__ | the point is just that it doesn't find the executable by default, but I can patch this | 07:31 |
| Tonio__ | appart from that, it is okay | 07:31 |
| Mez | Tonio__, try re-building it | 07:31 |
| Mez | it doesnt find an executable by default cause one isnt installed | 07:32 |
| Mez | then you try and build - and it alll goes weird | 07:32 |
| Tonio__ | Mez: yeah I installed xmame-x and set the path to it | 07:32 |
| Tonio__ | I could rebuild the games list | 07:32 |
| Tonio__ | no issues | 07:32 |
| Tonio__ | okay let's try a good rom :) shadow dancer ! | 07:33 |
| === Mez shrugs | ||
| kwwii | moin Tonio__ | 07:33 |
| Tonio__ | hey ken :) | 07:33 |
| Mez | Tonio__, I mean as in rebuild the binary | 07:33 |
| Mez | the buildd's rejected it twice | 07:33 |
| Tonio__ | Mez: ah okay I'll do that | 07:35 |
| Tonio__ | the crappy point is that it is a kde app but with qt dialogs :) | 07:35 |
| Tonio__ | ugly isn't it ? :) | 07:35 |
| Mez | ;) | 07:35 |
| Mez | I cant be bothered to find a good source for roms | 07:35 |
| Tonio__ | Mez: I have 200 000 roms on my website | 07:36 |
| Mez | link ? :P | 07:36 |
| Tonio__ | www.planetemu.net | 07:36 |
| Mez | pay to download? ? | 07:36 |
| Tonio__ | but it's one file per download, sorry :) | 07:36 |
| Tonio__ | Mez: no, but the site has adds | 07:36 |
| Mez | Tonio__, cant you make me a zip ? :P | 07:37 |
| Tonio__ | well it works | 07:37 |
| Tonio__ | Mez: want ftp access ? :) | 07:37 |
| Mez | if that would be allowed :P | 07:37 |
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| Tonio__ | for you I can do it | 07:37 |
| Tonio__ | just tell me the login/pass you want (notice) and I'm building the account | 07:38 |
| Mez | lol | 07:39 |
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| Tonio_ | what the f**k !!!! | 07:39 |
| Tonio_ | launching a game closed my kde session :) | 07:39 |
| Tonio_ | that's pretty horrible ! | 07:40 |
| Mez | lol | 07:40 |
| Mez | Tonio_, out of curiosity, I can seem to find a download link | 07:40 |
| Mez | just articles | 07:40 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: on the right, click on Mame | 07:40 |
| Tonio_ | then you'll see the ROMS section, go there, and everything is in it | 07:41 |
| Mez | nvm me | 07:41 |
| Tonio_ | in the set MAME (CHD & Samples excluded) | 07:41 |
| Tonio_ | yeah that's french sorry :) | 07:41 |
| Tonio_ | I receive about 100 complains a day that the wensite isn't in english :) | 07:41 |
| Tonio_ | ho and fyi download will not work with konqueror | 07:42 |
| Mez | Tonio_, it's no problem -0 I understand french :D | 07:42 |
| Mez | Tonio_, I use FF | 07:42 |
| Mez | and where do I save them to ? | 07:42 |
| Tonio_ | I just changed the download script and it needs fixing since it is a bit complex :) | 07:42 |
| Tonio_ | uses proftpd-mysql etc... | 07:42 |
| Tonio_ | I try to avoid leechers | 07:43 |
| Mez | my god | 07:43 |
| Mez | thats scary | 07:43 |
| Mez | windows style open dialog | 07:43 |
| Tonio_ | that's qt | 07:44 |
| Tonio_ | qt ressemble windows a lot | 07:44 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: but the rest of the app is based on kdelibs :) | 07:44 |
| Tonio_ | that's completly stupid | 07:45 |
| === yuriy downloads kxmame to see | ||
| Mez | lol | 07:45 |
| yuriy | i wanted to see if it's the same dialog i'm used to with opera, and it is | 07:46 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: should be okay via ftp://planetemu.net | 07:46 |
| === Mez growls as he cant get it to find the proper thing | ||
| Tonio_ | Mez: the binary is in /usr/games | 07:46 |
| yuriy | at least this thing can be patched by someone concerned... too bad i don't see opera putting in kde dialogs in the future | 07:47 |
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| Tonio_ | heh, mez just launched a game, looks like ;) | 07:49 |
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| Tonio_ | [07:49] <Tonio_> heh, mez just launched a game, looks like ;) | 07:49 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: have you been disconnected by the program ? | 07:49 |
| Mez | hmm | 07:50 |
| Mez | when I set the path of Xmame | 07:50 |
| Mez | all not exactly | 07:50 |
| Mez | when i set the path for Xmame | 07:50 |
| Mez | it just | 07:50 |
| Mez | gave me a blank completely unresponsive screen (but my KDE was runnning cause i could still hear my amarok in the BG) | 07:50 |
| Tonio_ | hum, I didn't have that issue | 07:51 |
| Tonio_ | I can launch a game, but kde get closed and the game launches..... very strange.... | 07:51 |
| Tonio_ | I wonder if that's a xmame issue or kxmame one.... I'm testing | 07:51 |
| Tonio_ | maybe xmame-x isn't the version to use | 07:51 |
| === Mez doesnt think so | ||
| Tonio_ | Mez: I'm testing with xmame-sdl | 07:53 |
| Mez | ok, so where do I save my games? | 07:54 |
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| Mez | ok, apparentlyu i have 6166 gamnes available | 07:54 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: no that's the list of existing games | 07:54 |
| Mez | lol | 07:55 |
| Tonio_ | you have to download a rom and then pick up the folder in the config, then rescan | 07:55 |
| Mez | where do i install games to ? | 07:55 |
| Tonio_ | and behind available you'll see your roms | 07:55 |
| Mez | what was that ftp url again ? | 07:55 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: install them where you want, and configure kxmame to scan in that folder | 07:55 |
| Tonio_ | ftp://planetemu.net | 07:55 |
| Mez | Message sent: | 07:56 |
| Mez | Login using username=mez and password=[hidden] | 07:56 |
| Mez | Server replied: | 07:56 |
| Mez | 530 Login incorrect. | 07:56 |
| Mez | Do you want to retry? | 07:56 |
| Tonio_ | yeah I have to retype password, copy/paste failed.... | 07:56 |
| Mez | lol | 07:56 |
| Mez | Tonio_, poke me when done | 07:58 |
| Mez | going to get cigs | 07:58 |
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| Tonio_ | rahhhhhhhhhhhhhh I unpluged my router...... | 08:00 |
| Tonio_ | okay let's finish the config | 08:00 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: sorry ;) | 08:00 |
| Tonio_ | <Anonymous /home/roms> | 08:00 |
| Tonio_ | User mdz | 08:00 |
| Tonio_ | that's when I'm reaaaaaaaaaaaaally tired | 08:00 |
| Tonio_ | interesting, proftpd reload argument fails..... | 08:01 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: works this time | 08:02 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: okay the problem with the package is a classic issue | 08:03 |
| Tonio_ | we had the same with kde for a very long time, and there is a common fix | 08:03 |
| Tonio_ | that's a problem with linux-kernel headers | 08:03 |
| Tonio_ | but the ben claims that's kde's fault while the kde guys claim that's a kernel issue..... | 08:04 |
| Tonio_ | okay I'm patching this | 08:04 |
| Mez | w00t | 08:05 |
| Mez | thats my first time I've walked home on auto-pilot | 08:05 |
| Mez | lol | 08:05 |
| Mez | oh wow | 08:05 |
| Mez | MSX stuff ? | 08:05 |
| kwwii | wow, my son has no school today because of the storm last night | 08:06 |
| kwwii | amazing | 08:07 |
| yuriy | storm? lucky. we just have a little bit of slush on the ground | 08:09 |
| kwwii | yuriy: yeah, in germany there was quite a storm last night | 08:10 |
| kwwii | although it was not so bad here, really | 08:10 |
| kwwii | now I have to watch my son - so much for working | 08:11 |
| yuriy | i think we were/are supposed to have some sort of storm this week. haven't seen much of it, though it did finally get cold | 08:11 |
| kwwii | lol, you can tell people from northern climates | 08:11 |
| kwwii | the germans are all complainin that it is not cold yet | 08:11 |
| kwwii | while I am happy that it is still warm | 08:11 |
| kwwii | looks like my imap server kills kmail | 08:13 |
| yuriy | heh. my professor today said we could have class outside when it gets over 20 (implying C), I suggested she should mean F | 08:13 |
| kwwii | ;-( | 08:13 |
| kwwii | lol | 08:13 |
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| kwwii | moin Lure | 08:14 |
| Lure | kwwii: hi! | 08:14 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: that's normal | 08:14 |
| yuriy | ktorrent has been downloading the same chunk over and over for the last 20 minutes :( oh well time to sleep | 08:15 |
| kwwii | Hobbsee: well, it has been working until now, but for some reason it hates me this morning | 08:15 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: ahh, so you dont get hit by the "randomly select a message, and it crashes" bug | 08:15 |
| kwwii | Hobbsee: nope, it just continually shows a progress bar that is flipping out - the mails are there but they keep flickering | 08:16 |
| Hobbsee | weird | 08:16 |
| kwwii | I think it cannot handle so many mails | 08:16 |
| kwwii | just moved to my wonderfull new laptop | 08:16 |
| Lure | kwwii: how many mails? | 08:17 |
| kwwii | a few thousand i guess | 08:18 |
| Lure | imap or disconnected imap? | 08:18 |
| === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Hobbsee] : Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Happy Newness! | Merge ! http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+specs | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | Please test KDE 3.5.6 on feisty | ||
| Lure | kwwii: I use disconnected imap on MS Exchange and in handles 4000 mails in folder w/o problems | 08:18 |
| kwwii | I tried disconnected imap yesterday and that worked for a while but this morning no more...so I tried normal imap and now it hates me | 08:18 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: where is 3.5.6? | 08:18 |
| Lure | normal imap is slow - that is why toma wrote mailody | 08:19 |
| Lure | kwwii: actually you may like mailody | 08:19 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kde-356-feisty/ feisty main | 08:19 |
| === Hobbsee wonders about putting the URL in the topic | ||
| kwwii | Lure: never heard of it...is it a kde app? | 08:19 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: ping when you get here | 08:20 |
| Lure | kwwii: www.mailody.net - it is still in development, also has some nice concepts and it is *way* faster than kmail | 08:20 |
| Lure | kwwii: it has only imap/smtp support (no pop yet) | 08:20 |
| kwwii | well, then it is halfway there for me | 08:21 |
| kwwii | I have two pop accounts as well | 08:21 |
| Lure | kwwii: same for me ;-) | 08:21 |
| kwwii | I thought about trying thunderbird | 08:21 |
| Lure | kwwii: I thought Hobbsee uses thunderbird, no? | 08:21 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: i do | 08:21 |
| Lure | kwwii: so you will have at least first class supoort ;-) | 08:22 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt use ubuntu's thunderbird | ||
| kwwii | hehe, yeah | 08:22 |
| === Hobbsee uses the mozilla binaries | ||
| kwwii | lol, even better | 08:22 |
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| kwwii | uck, thunderbird looks so ugly | 08:26 |
| kwwii | works well though | 08:26 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 08:29 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: beta 1 is quite nice. beta 2 is out next week or something | 08:29 |
| Hobbsee | or they freeze next week, and release the beta 2 after that | 08:29 |
| Hobbsee | dont quite remember | 08:29 |
| kwwii | cool | 08:29 |
| kwwii | acutally, I am tired of continually updating my software | 08:29 |
| kwwii | it is almost worse than MS | 08:30 |
| === Hobbsee wonders if her keyboard makes a good pillow | ||
| Hobbsee | true...i only do it for those two, and theyv'e got an autoupdater if i remember to run it | 08:30 |
| Hobbsee | (seeing as it doesnt normally run as root) | 08:30 |
| kwwii | torsten rahn (tackat) fell asleep on his once and every now and then he would say things like slkfkfjsalkjfsakjgaskgjlsakghdslhgfhdflkhfdsahlhs | 08:30 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 08:32 |
| kwwii | ahhaaaa...I think the problem is not with kmail, but with my server | 08:32 |
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| kwwii | lol, it put all my mail in the trash | 08:47 |
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| Hobbsee | kwwii: smart server. it knew you didnt want to read it | 08:58 |
| Hobbsee | hey Jucato! | 08:58 |
| kwwii | Hobbsee: yeah, how important can those stupid work emails be anyway? | 08:58 |
| Jucato | hi Hobbsee | 08:59 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: *grin* | 08:59 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: tried 3.5.6 on feisty yet? | 08:59 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: no... | 08:59 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: unfortunately, this month is hell for me... so I can't do more than help once in a while in #kubuntu... | 09:00 |
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| Hobbsee | Jucato: :( why so? | 09:01 |
| Jucato | loads of "work"... I kept on denying that they existed...and now I'm kinda overwhelmed... :P | 09:02 |
| Hobbsee | ahh | 09:03 |
| Jucato | and Second Life didn't help either... @_@ | 09:03 |
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| === Lure restarting for 3.5.6 | ||
| Jucato | Hobbsee: although I might already be running 3.5.6 actually... | 09:17 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: oh? | 09:17 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: from SVN branches | 09:17 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 09:17 |
| === Jucato sees danimo's nifty dots | ||
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| === Lure back on kde 3.5.6 | ||
| Lure | Hobbsee: looks ok on first look - anything new that is worth mentioning? | 09:22 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: packages are out for feisty ? | 09:23 |
| Lure | deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kde-356-feisty/ feisty main | 09:23 |
| Lure | Tonio_: Riddell is just waiting for official release date (afaik) | 09:24 |
| Tonio_ | thanks ;) I have a few tests to perform -> kwallet bug !! | 09:24 |
| === Jucato is also waiting for the official announcement... just so he could brag... :P | ||
| Tonio_ | Lure: I just hope for once the new version will not include new critical issues........... | 09:25 |
| Tonio_ | 3.5.4 and 3.5.5 were shames on that point | 09:25 |
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| Lure | Tonio_: new issues are proof of progress ;-) | 09:25 |
| Lure | Tonio_: at least we have now some time to stabilize it for 7.04 release | 09:26 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yes, but well kde4 will not be stable before a very lond time so it would be nice to have a super stable release of kde3 | 09:26 |
| Tonio_ | my 2 cents :) | 09:26 |
| Lure | Tonio_: but we also need new improvements to keep people interested until kde4 is stable enpough for them to switch | 09:27 |
| Tonio_ | what's new in 356 ? | 09:28 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I agree though that every point release should be considered stable and some bugs should be avoided | 09:28 |
| Tonio_ | I just hope the session management is debugged | 09:28 |
| Jucato | danimo's password dots | 09:28 |
| Lure | http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_5to3_5_6.php | 09:28 |
| Tonio_ | that's what causes the kwallet issue, and knetworkmanager hanging kwallet sometimes, no issues on 3.5.4 | 09:29 |
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| Lure | Tonio_: what bothers me is that kwalletmanager causes 100% load on kded on login somtimes (40% chance) | 09:30 |
| Lure | Tonio_: there seems to be some timing issue which causes endless loop in kded | 09:30 |
| Tonio_ | ark | 09:30 |
| Tonio_ | Bugfixes: | 09:30 |
| Tonio_ | Improved 7zip support. See SVN commit 596246. | 09:30 |
| Tonio_ | hehe, I finally contributed to kde :) | 09:30 |
| Tonio_ | that''s my patches | 09:30 |
| Lure | Tonio_: is this what you are hunting? | 09:30 |
| Lure | Tonio_: nice | 09:30 |
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| Tonio_ | le konsole horrible "bip" has finally been replaced :) | 09:34 |
| Tonio_ | that's kool | 09:34 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure: the kwallet bug is still there.......... shit | 09:40 |
| Lure | Tonio_: can you write down instructions how to reproduce it and I may look into it after FF? | 09:41 |
| Lure | Tonio_: re konsole horrible "bip"> I like visual beep as default - maybe we should change k-d-s? | 09:41 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: well, save konqueror passwords, they are in the wallet | 09:41 |
| Tonio_ | logout, login they have dissapeared, unless you manually close the wallet.... | 09:42 |
| Tonio_ | doesn't seem to be due to kwallet iteself but to the session management | 09:42 |
| Lure | Tonio_: ok, can you drop me this in e-mail, so that I do not forget | 09:42 |
| Tonio_ | let me show you the bug id | 09:42 |
| Lure | Tonio_: it may be konqueror issue (caching?) | 09:42 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: no same error with kontact, knetworkmanager etc........ | 09:42 |
| Tonio_ | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136411 | 09:44 |
| Ubugtu | KDE bug 136411 in kwallet "KWallet loses new passwords when closed since XML file import" [Normal,New] | 09:44 |
| Tonio_ | here is the bug | 09:44 |
| Tonio_ | 160 votes, and nothing........ | 09:44 |
| Tonio_ | confirmed on gentoo, mandriva etc.... | 09:44 |
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| Lure | Tonio_: why do we not use patch from the bug? | 09:48 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: we should be the patch wasn't there last time we checked | 09:49 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: the problem is I think the same kded issues causes the knetworkmanager problem | 09:49 |
| Lure | Tonio_: it is just workaround, but better than nothing | 09:49 |
| Tonio_ | there is also a patch for this | 09:49 |
| Tonio_ | but it means autostart knetworkmanager and remove the session-thing | 09:50 |
| Tonio_ | I don't know Riddell's opinion on that point | 09:50 |
| Tonio_ | should we autostart it ? | 09:50 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I think Riddell added knetworkmanager to autostart | 09:50 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: it doesn't for me | 09:50 |
| Lure | Tonio_: it is part of network-roaming spec | 09:50 |
| Tonio_ | yes but it doesn't autostart here | 09:50 |
| Tonio_ | maybe because of that session thing ? | 09:51 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: how does it autostart ? I don't see anything in /usr/share/autostart.... | 09:51 |
| Tonio_ | [ Jonathan Riddell ] | 09:52 |
| Tonio_ | * Add knetworkmanager to ksmserverrc for | 09:52 |
| Tonio_ | startup by default, see NetworkRoaming spec | 09:52 |
| Tonio_ | ksmserverrc...... what does this do ? | 09:52 |
| Tonio_ | bah that's the session thing :) | 09:53 |
| Tonio_ | that will not work.... we have to workarround that, and do the way debian does... | 09:53 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I'll fix this right now | 09:53 |
| Tonio_ | plus I don't think riddell did it correctly, a session file is needed for that to work... like kmix has in kds | 09:54 |
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| Tm_T | I wonder if I should stick in Edgy if I like to play around with KDE4. | 11:19 |
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| === Jucato scratches his head in here too... | ||
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| kwwii | Tm_T: I would guess that the latest stuff is for feisty (but I don't really know, so don't listen to me) | 11:30 |
| Tm_T | And by playing I mean compiling and testing and compiling again. ;) | 11:30 |
| === Tm_T doesn't care about KDE4 packages atm | ||
| Tm_T | That comes later. | 11:31 |
| kwwii | well, if you are compiling yourself then edgy would be the easier one to debug, I guess, as feisty is still, well, erm, feisty | 11:31 |
| kwwii | ;-) | 11:31 |
| Tm_T | Yup, so I thought. | 11:31 |
| Jucato | (or if you want stable... use Dapper as base :P ) | 11:32 |
| kwwii | hehe, yeah | 11:32 |
| === kwwii goes shopping, cooks lunch, etc. | ||
| kwwii | bbl | 11:32 |
| Tm_T | kwwii: Btw Oxy cursors are fun. :) | 11:33 |
| kwwii | Tm_T: I am not too happy with them, but then again we are still working on them | 11:33 |
| kwwii | I do not like the white border | 11:33 |
| Tm_T | Yup, fun as different. | 11:34 |
| kwwii | :-) | 11:34 |
| === Tm_T usually use black X default. | ||
| === Jucato doesn't know how to get any oxy thing from kde svn... | ||
| Tm_T | Hehe. | 11:35 |
| Jucato | that should be good... less drooling for me | 11:35 |
| Tm_T | Gone. -> | 11:35 |
| kwwii | Jucato: get it from anon svn | 11:39 |
| Jucato | kwwii: I have to run some scripts to generate the icons? | 11:40 |
| kwwii | Jucato: yes, there is a utils dir with a script and a readme | 11:40 |
| kwwii | basically, get the whole stuff | 11:40 |
| kwwii | copy the svg/ dir somewhere | 11:40 |
| kwwii | put the generate script from utils in the svg/ dir | 11:41 |
| kwwii | and then call it | 11:41 |
| Jucato | that simple?! heh :) | 11:41 |
| kwwii | it will create a tar.gz that you can install | 11:41 |
| Jucato | thanks :) | 11:41 |
| kwwii | that is for the icons | 11:41 |
| kwwii | for the cursors, there is a script in the cursors/ dir | 11:41 |
| Jucato | ugh... I have to rush off... :( | 11:41 |
| Jucato | brb :( | 11:41 |
| kwwii | cool | 11:41 |
| === kwwii too | ||
| kwwii | bbl | 11:41 |
| Jucato | kwwii: thank! | 11:41 |
| kwwii | no prob | 11:42 |
| === Jucato thanks kwwii so much :) | ||
| Tonio_ | kwwii: did you notice kwin-crystal upstream doesn't include the latest version of the edgy theme, but the "in work" one | 11:51 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: I'm preparing a fixed tarball | 11:52 |
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| Hobbsee | kwwii: question for you | 12:08 |
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| Riddell | Hobbsee: 3.5.6 URL us fine in here or -testers, just not anywhere for users | 12:13 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: how does debian start knetworkmanager? | 12:14 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: okay | 12:14 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: via /usr/share/autostart | 12:14 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt want to get yelled at again, so just checking | ||
| Hobbsee | Riddell: that includes kubuntu-devel ML, presumably? | 12:14 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that resolves the session management issues that bloat knetworkmanager everytime it tries to access kwallet | 12:14 |
| Tonio_ | mbiebl sent me the tip via email yesterday concerning this, so I simply applied his patches | 12:15 |
| Tonio_ | btw Riddell if you wanna use ksmserver to autostart something, you need to provide a session file with it | 12:16 |
| Tonio_ | that's why katapult doesn't autostart at first boot on kubuntu, I also have to fix this... | 12:16 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: how about starting katapult via a /usr/share/autostart file too ? | 12:16 |
| Tonio_ | there is no reason not to start it... | 12:17 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: dunno, best not | 12:17 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: last time it got onto the forumns and the KDE release dude told me off | 12:18 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: of course knetworkmanager via sessions will be better when debugged, but well, that's a very old bug now, and somehow critical for average user, since it is hard to kill it... that's why I think a good workarround is nice ;) | 12:19 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: katapult does start from the session for me and the CD, but I'm happy for it to be changed to autostart if you want | 12:19 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: does it ? I got problems last time I tested a cd.... maybe I'm wrong btw | 12:20 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it starts from the session for me too, but I have to launch it first time too | 12:20 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll fix that today | 12:20 |
| Tonio_ | I'm working on kwin-style-crystal.... | 12:20 |
| Tonio_ | ho Riddell I have a patch for the kwallet bug (passwords not saved) can you include it before the release ? | 12:21 |
| Tonio_ | george staikos approved it | 12:21 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: why wouldn't we include it? | 12:25 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: hehe that's my feeling, so here is the patch | 12:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/44 | 12:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: also I noticed you forgot to remove trash.desktop from kdebase-kio-plugins | 12:30 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kdebase-kio-plugins.install:debian/tmp/usr/share/apps/systemview/trash.desktop | 12:30 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that's in the debian-ubuntu-differences files | 12:31 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: where's the patch from? | 12:31 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kde bts, lemme show you | 12:31 |
| Tonio_ | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136411 | 12:31 |
| Ubugtu | KDE bug 136411 in kwallet "KWallet loses new passwords when closed since XML file import" [Normal,New] | 12:31 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: able to kickban anouk in #kubuntu? | 12:38 |
| Riddell | Tm_T, apokryphos ^^ | 12:38 |
| apokryphos | sure 8) | 12:38 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: sorry, was AFK | 12:41 |
| Mez | Riddell, you coulda poked me too | 12:43 |
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| Kano | hi | 12:47 |
| Kano | could someone replace kaffeine with the version of debian | 12:47 |
| Riddell | umm, no | 12:47 |
| Kano | in ubuntu the includes are missing and i only can scan dvb channels but not watch em | 12:47 |
| Riddell | but we can merge in fixes | 12:47 |
| Kano | well currently compiling it | 12:48 |
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| Kano | and when will kde-systemsettings be fixed that they are not in lost+found | 12:52 |
| Kano | kde-systemsettings: /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications-merged/system-settings-merge.menu | 12:52 |
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| Kano | hmm compiled the debian kaffeine and got the same error | 12:53 |
| Kano | there must be something missing thats not missing in debian | 12:55 |
| Kano | 12:55:17: xine: couldn't find demux for >/home/xxx/.kaxtv. | 12:55 |
| Kano | no mpeg2 demuxer? | 12:56 |
| Riddell | so you have libxine-extracodecs installed? | 12:56 |
| Riddell | s/so/do/ | 12:56 |
| Hobbsee | gah. *goes thwacking with the cluebat* | 12:56 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: awww....but the guy deserves it :P | 12:57 |
| === Hobbsee doenst think it's fair to harrass *any* woman. | ||
| Kano | libxine1-ffmpeg was missing, but why is that no dep then? | 12:58 |
| Kano | then just add that as dep and the includes... | 12:59 |
| Riddell | it's restricted by US patents | 01:00 |
| kwwii | Hobbsee: I think it is perfectly fine for me to harrass my wife | 01:00 |
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| kwwii | heck, that is part of her job as wife, as I see it :p | 01:01 |
| Kano | Riddell: but why is it in debian then? | 01:01 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: heh. | 01:01 |
| Kano | i only installed there kaffeine and it worked... | 01:01 |
| Riddell | Kano: debian has no money to be sued out of | 01:01 |
| Kano | isnt it in ubuntu main? | 01:02 |
| Kano | just not preinstalled... | 01:02 |
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| zorglu_ | q. im running kubuntu dapper, and i got a significant memory leak when running apps using java+gtk, anybody knows if edgy or feisty has this bug fixed ? | 01:04 |
| Hobbsee | oh you *moron*. dont play ban evasion with me. | 01:05 |
| Hobbsee | zorglu_: a) try it. b) how would we know? | 01:05 |
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| zorglu_ | i dunno, maybe because you are the one packaging kubuntu and so following bug on it ? :) | 01:06 |
| Hobbsee | doesnt mean i run gtk and java stuff | 01:06 |
| zorglu_ | how can i get this information without instaling it ? (this would require to fully install it, so consuming disk space and time) | 01:06 |
| Hobbsee | search teh forums, check for bugs maybe? | 01:07 |
| zorglu_ | ok is there a better place to ask ? | 01:09 |
| Hobbsee | not that i know of | 01:10 |
| Hobbsee | sorry :( | 01:11 |
| zorglu_ | hehe ok, so i will live with it :) rebooting 3 time a day is not that bad | 01:11 |
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| Hobbsee | (sorry for the @'s - chanserv is lagging badly here) | 01:13 |
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| Kano | Riddell: is there a h264 (avc) package too? | 01:28 |
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| Riddell | Kano: user questions in #kubuntu (cos I don't know) | 01:29 |
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| Kano | btw. mplayer is even in debian now (not the mencoder), will it come to u too? | 02:01 |
| Hobbsee | Kano: | 02:02 |
| Hobbsee | sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ madison mplayer | 02:02 |
| Hobbsee | mplayer | 2:0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu8 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au feisty/multiverse Packages | 02:02 |
| Hobbsee | mplayer | 2:0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu8 | http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/multiverse Packages | 02:02 |
| Hobbsee | mplayer | 2:0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu8 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au feisty/multiverse Sources | 02:02 |
| Hobbsee | mplayer | 2:0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu8 | http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/multiverse Sources | 02:02 |
| Kano | hmm even vlc can playback h264 | 02:04 |
| Kano | why not kaffeine? | 02:04 |
| Kano | whats the logic behind that | 02:04 |
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| Hobbsee | kaffeine is there? | 02:05 |
| Kano | well i installed that ffmpeg package for it | 02:05 |
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| Kano | then i have at least mpeg2 | 02:05 |
| Kano | but i need h264 (mpeg4 avc) too | 02:06 |
| Kano | it seems noone uses those media files.... | 02:09 |
| Riddell | Kano: you want to talk to siretart on #ubuntu-motu, he maintains xine | 02:09 |
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| Lure | Tonio_: this seems to be the right way to handle autostart of knetworkmanager: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=116921124400692&w=2 | 02:23 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: interesting ! | 02:25 |
| Riddell | that would need coding in knetworkmanager to handle | 02:25 |
| Lure | Riddell: probably, but it is the only way to allow user to decide if he wants it started by default on not | 02:30 |
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| Lure | Riddell: Quit anyway asks for confirmation, so we could add another checkbox for this | 02:30 |
| Lure | Riddell: "Do not start automatically" | 02:31 |
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| Lure | Riddell: or in menu Options, have "Autostart on login" | 02:31 |
| Riddell | meh, hassle :) | 02:32 |
| Lure | Tonio_: btw, it is mbiebl who asked this question, so he might not like current /usr/share/autostart idea completelly | 02:32 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: do we not want kaffeineoggvorbis in kaffeine package? | 02:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well I was supposed to remove audio features from kaffeine | 02:34 |
| Tonio_ | but now the idea has changed, yes, you're right, I should had it back | 02:34 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: oh? what's changed? | 02:34 |
| Tonio_ | bah we decided just to change file associations but to keep audio fonctionnalities in kaffeine | 02:34 |
| Tonio_ | unless I mussunderstood ;) | 02:35 |
| Riddell | dunno, I just do whatever you say :) | 02:35 |
| Tonio_ | lots of people started to complain in fact | 02:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll fix this today as well as the knetworkmanager autostart | 02:35 |
| Hobbsee | yay! | 02:35 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: should I also add back kaffeine_play_audiocd.desktop? | 02:36 |
| Riddell | or is that a shortcut, which we still don't want? | 02:36 |
| === Riddell thinks we don't | ||
| Tonio_ | no need of that, it'll mess the context menu and action popup in konqueror | 02:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: there is still the option to launch kaffeine and play a cd so that should be enought no ? | 02:37 |
| Riddell | yep | 02:38 |
| Riddell | ok uploaed | 02:40 |
| Riddell | uplo#aded | 02:40 |
| Riddell | thing | 02:40 |
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| Riddell | oh, he didn't stay to get the new kaffeine he wanted | 02:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: you're doing it right now ? | 02:41 |
| Riddell | gone | 02:41 |
| Riddell | uploaded | 02:41 |
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| imbrandon | Tonio_, i want roms , heh | 03:00 |
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| Tonio_ | imbrandon: what for, emulation is a pain with linux ;) | 03:01 |
| Mez | Tonio_, you still didnt tell me what I needed to do | 03:01 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, i have mame and xsnes9x working great in linux | 03:01 |
| imbrandon | i was thinking about building a mame cabnet soonish | 03:02 |
| imbrandon | probably this summer | 03:02 |
| imbrandon | ( with powered by kubuntu logo's all over it ) hehe | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: I'm fighting to get xmess working..... | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: xmame works, but the frontend part for xmess is just a nightmare | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: need ftp access too ? | 03:03 |
| Mez | lol | 03:03 |
| imbrandon | xmess just sucks imho | 03:03 |
| imbrandon | heh | 03:03 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, yea ;) | 03:03 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: not that much, it is okay in the shell | 03:03 |
| Tonio_ | shit...... | 03:03 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: can I change your password for something generic ? | 03:03 |
| imbrandon | ? | 03:03 |
| Tonio_ | I don't want to create 1000 anonymous accounts for my ftp :) | 03:04 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: the 'shit' wasn't for you of course | 03:04 |
| Mez | Tonio_, go for it | 03:04 |
| Tonio_ | was for that stipid frontend | 03:04 |
| Tonio_ | Mez: what can I put ? | 03:04 |
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| Mez | Tonio_, pick something and tell me | 03:05 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, i'm not anonymouse hehe | 03:05 |
| imbrandon | :) | 03:05 |
| imbrandon | i like my c64 emu's too | 03:05 |
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| Tonio_ | Mez: kxmame is nice for mame but I think we have to forget about it concerning xmess | 03:38 |
| Tonio_ | xmess command line works like a charm | 03:38 |
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| Mez | lol | 03:39 |
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| Riddell | ** edgy 3.5.6 for testing deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356-test/ edgy main | 04:12 |
| Riddell | i386 only | 04:12 |
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| kwwii | Riddell: how much do I want to test that? | 04:15 |
| bddebian | Heya | 04:15 |
| kwwii | hi bddebian | 04:16 |
| bddebian | Heya kwwii | 04:16 |
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| Riddell | kwwii: are you running edgy? | 04:19 |
| kwwii | Riddell: yepp | 04:19 |
| Riddell | lots and lots then | 04:19 |
| kwwii | lol | 04:19 |
| Riddell | since when did you have an i386? | 04:19 |
| kwwii | Riddell: since yesterday :-) | 04:20 |
| Riddell | macbook? | 04:20 |
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| Riddell | wow, that's a change | 04:20 |
| kwwii | yeah, and it is *amazing* | 04:20 |
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| bddebian | Hi Jucato | 04:21 |
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| Jucato | hi bddebian | 04:22 |
| kwwii | Riddell: I know I have done this before, butI forget...it complains about not having a public key | 04:23 |
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| Riddell | see http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-161.php | 04:25 |
| kwwii | cool, thnx | 04:27 |
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| allee | Riddell: is it a known that (at least) some translations are missing from language-packs No digikam translations in feisty | 04:31 |
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| kwwii | ok, here goes, restarting kde | 04:34 |
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| kwwii | well, it appears to work | 04:38 |
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| apokryphos | Riddell: might want to +b ubotu in here, he's playing up | 05:34 |
| apokryphos | we've handled it for most of the other channels | 05:34 |
| kwwii | hehe, yeah, no doubt | 05:35 |
| kwwii | w00t | 05:35 |
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| Jucato | silly ubotu... :) | 05:35 |
| kwwii | gosh, I feel so important | 05:35 |
| apokryphos | ooOOoo 8) | 05:36 |
| Jucato | wow congrats :) | 05:36 |
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| Jucato | you *are* important :) | 05:36 |
| kwwii | lol, I wish | 05:36 |
| Lure | kwwii: will you do artwork in general or kubuntu only? | 05:37 |
| Jucato | c'mon! we wouldn't have had purple if not for you :) | 05:37 |
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| kwwii | Lure: artwork in general, although my exact job is not 100% clear to me yet | 05:44 |
| kwwii | I will be doing kubuntu, and other stuff as well | 05:44 |
| stdin | can anyone answer how the kernel choose which module to load for a specific piece of hardware? | 05:51 |
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| Lure | kwwii: I am sure you would hate a job which would be 100% clear ;-) | 06:01 |
| kwwii | Lure: lol, yeah well, I am sure that mark knows exactly what I will be doing and I am sure that he will tell me ;-) | 06:02 |
| kwwii | although it might very well change from day to day | 06:02 |
| sebas | Wait, *I* am the one who's telling kwwii what he should do?! | 06:02 |
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| Lure | kwwii: so, will we get polyester for feisty (time is ticking...)? | 06:02 |
| kwwii | hehe | 06:02 |
| kwwii | Lure: I was just going to talk about that | 06:03 |
| kwwii | I have it setup here with a config that I thinks looks nice | 06:03 |
| kwwii | we should set it as default for a while and see who screams | 06:03 |
| Lure | kwwii: windeco from edgy is for me still better than polyester | 06:03 |
| kwwii | Riddell: what do you think about testing out polyester | 06:03 |
| kwwii | oh, we should keep the same window deco | 06:03 |
| kwwii | but the style should be polyester | 06:04 |
| kwwii | I tuned it down by configuring things well | 06:04 |
| Lure | kwwii: what I do not like with polyester that your purple is a bit too strong for scrollbars | 06:04 |
| kwwii | Lure: exactly, I also changed the selection colors to make those look nicer | 06:04 |
| Lure | kwwii: however it is better that it is more obvious than plastik | 06:04 |
| kwwii | so we would need to change the color scheme and add the config file | 06:05 |
| Lure | kwwii: otherwise polyester looks stable for me (beta's had quite some artifacts, so I did not use it for long) | 06:05 |
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| Lure | Tonio__: wb! | 06:06 |
| kwwii | Lure: I have only tested it on edgy (although with the new kde) and it looks fine here | 06:06 |
| Lure | Tonio__: we are just discussing some more work for you (polyester style) | 06:06 |
| Lure | ;-) | 06:06 |
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| kwwii | Tonio__: yeah, got a few things for you to do ;-) | 06:07 |
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| freeflying | adept's bug fixed? | 06:27 |
| kwwii | Lure: you don't happen to know where the config file is saved for polyester, do you? | 06:29 |
| Lure | kwwii: not really | 06:30 |
| Lure | kwwii: I just use the package in the repo, as-is | 06:30 |
| sebas | How about ~/.kde/share/config/kwinpolyesterrc ? | 06:30 |
| sebas | That's what locate gives me :) | 06:30 |
| Lure | sebas: ;-) | 06:31 |
| sebas | Bunch of n00bs! ;-) | 06:31 |
| === sebas gets hungry | ||
| kwwii | sebas: dude, that is what I thought too but that file does not exist on my system | 06:31 |
| === toma too | ||
| kwwii | hehe, sebas that file is for the window deco, not the style | 06:33 |
| kwwii | that is why I do not have it, as I am not using the window deco | 06:34 |
| kwwii | you n00b | 06:34 |
| kwwii | :p | 06:34 |
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| yuriy | maybe polyesterstylerc | 06:37 |
| === sebas blushes | ||
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| kwwii | freaky, I cannot find this file...really weird | 06:44 |
| yuriy | kwwii: i have /etc/qt3/lipstiksylerc weird place for it but you could look there | 06:47 |
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| allee | Riddell: any tip? are you aware of an dlopen (k)ubuntu specific changes? In debian, digikam does not find libgphoto plugins without .la files. Works fine in kubuntu and gtkam in debian | 07:30 |
| Riddell | allee: no idea, but we have an updated toolchain for feisty whereas I guess etch is all frozen | 07:31 |
| Riddell | doko would be a good dude to ask | 07:31 |
| === mode/#kubuntu-devel [+o Riddell] by ChanServ | ||
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| allee | Riddell: thx. I'll ping him. having a -dev depends is hackish and ugly and I would like avoid merging. | 07:33 |
| Riddell | apokryphos: +b done | 07:33 |
| Riddell | kwwii: 3.5.6 in edgy all good? | 07:33 |
| Riddell | kwwii: if you want polyester you need to write a main inclusion report | 07:34 |
| allee | Riddell: ah, 3.5.6 that reminds me: on 3.5.5 media handling of CDROM was broken. I vote for a longer testing period until kde-stable is directed to 3.5.6. At least here in the institute got QA-- due to it | 07:35 |
| Riddell | I need to put a notice on the pages saying those packages aren't supported | 07:42 |
| Riddell | and thanks for reminding me, I need to put hal in the archive too | 07:42 |
| Riddell | hmm, or maybe that's just dapper | 07:43 |
| Riddell | kwwii: how's cd and usb stick mounting doing in 3.5.6 on edgy? | 07:43 |
| firephoto | Riddell: cd and usb mounting looks fine here, popup window, mounts, safely remove and eject ok. | 07:45 |
| firephoto | 356 edgy. | 07:46 |
| Riddell | firephoto: excellent, thanks | 07:47 |
| mhb | firephoto: kopete works fine? | 07:48 |
| mhb | firephoto: including the "bubbles" above the tray icon | 07:48 |
| firephoto | mhb: nope, bubble is missing, heard the sound though | 07:48 |
| firephoto | was there a change there? i know that bubble was crashing composite last i knew. | 07:49 |
| mhb | firephoto: the bubble worked in 355 | 07:50 |
| firephoto | kopete: WARNING: KXMLGUIClient::setXMLFile: cannot find .rc file jabberchatui.rc | 07:51 |
| apokryphos | Riddell: he returned back to normal shortly after that, anyhow :D | 07:51 |
| firephoto | mhb: that warning isn't related to the bubble i guess. i tried disabling/enabling the bubble but nothing changed. it's still missing. | 07:53 |
| sebas | Do the packages still spit out a lot of crap in the console? | 07:53 |
| === sebas hates it when apps do that. | ||
| sebas | QInputContext: no input method context available | 07:54 |
| sebas | QInputContext: no input method context available | 07:54 |
| Riddell | sebas: there's still X errors from the non-existant tabled device | 07:54 |
| === firephoto gets X Error: BadPixmap (invalid Pixmap parameter) 4 | ||
| sebas | My current setup has this all the time. | 07:54 |
| Riddell | sebas: I don't have those skim warnings in feisty | 07:54 |
| sebas | I have edgy | 07:55 |
| Riddell | sebas: skim in feisty is quieter | 07:58 |
| Riddell | but the X warnings are still a pain | 07:58 |
| Riddell | filling up .xsession-errors and aa | 07:58 |
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| Sime | Greetings all. | 08:01 |
| sebas | Sime is back! | 08:01 |
| sebas | wb :) | 08:01 |
| Sime | I got back on wednesday. | 08:01 |
| Sime | still catching up on things | 08:02 |
| mhb | hi Sime | 08:03 |
| Riddell | Sime! | 08:03 |
| Sime | hi | 08:03 |
| Riddell | we misse | 08:03 |
| Riddell | we missed you | 08:03 |
| Riddell | we ported guidance to ruby while you were gone | 08:04 |
| Sime | lol | 08:04 |
| Sime | hows feisty? | 08:05 |
| Lure | lol | 08:05 |
| Sime | (I have no idea). | 08:05 |
| Sime | my email ran out of space around christmas... | 08:05 |
| Riddell | oops | 08:07 |
| Riddell | feisty seems to be working nicely | 08:07 |
| Sime | were there any big changes for Kubuntu in feisty? | 08:10 |
| Lure | Sime: more polish, and quite some porting to qt4 | 08:13 |
| Sime | a more polished edgy. | 08:14 |
| === sebas did some mountconfig stuff, better uuid and label support mainly. | ||
| sebas | Some fixing in userconfig I think, and some powermanager work together with Lure | 08:16 |
| Sime | cool. I read about some of that in the KDE digest thingy. | 08:17 |
| Sime | sebas: how late does that KDE-NL thing start on saturday? | 08:17 |
| Lure | yes, I still want to do one config file change (keyword for lid action) and then I think we could release it as 0.7.1 | 08:17 |
| sebas | 1300 | 08:17 |
| Lure | lots of bug fixes and some new features | 08:17 |
| Sime | sebas: same ol' place? | 08:18 |
| === sebas is not sure what to do with serviceconfig in Feisty | ||
| sebas | Sime: Yes | 08:18 |
| sebas | Dorpsschuur | 08:18 |
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| Riddell | sebas: mm, that's a point, it should know about upstart I guess | 08:26 |
| Riddell | sebas: any idea what the gnome thing is doing? | 08:26 |
| sebas | Nope, no idea. | 08:26 |
| Riddell | I'll ask scott next week in oslo | 08:27 |
| sebas | It might be that the whole concept of serviceconfig must be redone | 08:27 |
| sebas | Cool | 08:27 |
| Riddell | we should also look at getting wineconfig in a state that it can be used | 08:27 |
| Sime | Riddell: true. But time is a problem (=> some many things to do, so little time) | 08:30 |
| Riddell | yes indeed | 08:35 |
| Riddell | is the wineconfig author still around? | 08:35 |
| sebas | Dunno, but I've fixed wineconfig enough that it works for me. | 08:35 |
| sebas | I'm not aware of other problems though. | 08:35 |
| Sime | it really just needs greater testing. | 08:37 |
| Riddell | I'll take a look at it then | 08:37 |
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| Riddell | does it warn the user when wine isn't installed? | 08:37 |
| sebas | Not sure | 08:37 |
| === Riddell a bit confused by http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.kde.promotion/6211 | ||
| sebas | Is it installed with guidance by default? | 08:37 |
| sebas | I mean with the packages? | 08:37 |
| Riddell | no | 08:38 |
| sebas | If it's a separate package, it could just depend on wine. | 08:38 |
| sebas | Why confused by the way? | 08:38 |
| Riddell | well, why didn't he send an article when I asked for one, not once I've already written one. I'd rather not spend the time editing it twice | 08:39 |
| Riddell | I think if it was a separate package it would never get installed by anyone | 08:39 |
| Lure | Riddell: separate package would allow us to make it recommends and remove if wine is not used | 08:44 |
| === Lure is bothered with bug 72233 - how can this happen? | ||
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 72233 in kde-guidance "Unable to remove powermanager w/o making displayconfig-restore unuseable" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72233 | 08:44 |
| Lure | kwwii: btw, any time to look in missing ac-adapter icon for guidance? would be great if we can get it in next release... | 08:46 |
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| ryanakca | imbrandon: Failed to fetch http://imbrandon.com/packages/dists/feisty/Release Unable to find expected entry amarok/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) | 10:49 |
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| ryanakca | Riddell: is rosegarden being packaged/packaged? | 11:02 |
| ryanakca | nevermind :) | 11:03 |
| === ryanakca thought it was a brand new app... | ||
| Riddell | it's about 6 years old | 11:11 |
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| Tonio__ | Mez: ping ? | 11:25 |
| Tonio__ | Hidden=trueX-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=desktop_extragear-pim_kdebluetooth | 11:27 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: this ubuntu hack is pain really........... | 11:27 |
| Tonio__ | still broken in kdebluetooth | 11:27 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: when exactly is that applied ? | 11:28 |
| Tonio__ | I'll probably try to fix in rules instead of a patch... | 11:28 |
| Tonio__ | hey great news, mbiebl is patching knm to enable, disable autostart, cool :) | 11:29 |
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| Tonio__ | Riddell: I'm testing that new experimental patch from mbiebl | 11:40 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: if that work we may consider a backport to edgy, as the problem affects it too | 11:41 |
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| === Tonio__ is happy, lots of issues have been fixed today ! | ||
| Tonio__ | including the crappy kwallet thing | 12:05 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: what are the kaffeine header files usefull for ? | 12:10 |
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