[12:21] <seele> pinheiro, kwwii: ping
[12:21] <pinheiro> hi seaLne
[12:21] <pinheiro> hi seele
[12:21] <pinheiro> :P
[12:21] <seele> hey
[12:21] <seele> i have an artistic challenge for you
[12:21] <pinheiro> hherhhehee
[12:21] <seele> what kind of web color scheme can you come up with for #800100
[12:22] <seele> what colors go with red, other than black and white?
[12:22] <seele> _dark_ red, for that matter
[12:22] <pinheiro> this is not red
[12:22] <pinheiro> its green
[12:22] <seele> #800100 hex is green?
[12:22] <pinheiro> yep
[12:22] <kwwii> seele: pong
[12:23] <kwwii> red goes well with orange and yellow
[12:23] <kwwii> :-)
[12:23] <seele> kwwii: even a dark red?
[12:23] <kwwii> yepp
[12:23] <seele> pinheiro: i just checked the hex and its dark red
[12:23] <pinheiro> thre is a trick to find colors
[12:23] <seele> r:128 g:1 b:0
[12:23] <kwwii> sure
[12:24] <kwwii> it has lots of red
[12:24] <kwwii> a little g
[12:24] <kwwii> and no blue
[12:24] <kwwii> exactly
[12:24] <kwwii> seele: there is a program where one can make a color scheme based on one color
[12:25] <kwwii> david has one
[12:25] <pinheiro> seele:  go to the weel
[12:25] <seele> kwwii: high saturation on the orange or yellow?
[12:25] <kwwii> I think there are also website
[12:25] <pinheiro> the other corner of the tiangle always go nicly
[12:25] <kwwii> seele: the darker the red, the less saturation you want, I gues
[12:25] <kwwii> s
[12:25] <kwwii> although the yellow could have more saturation
[12:26] <kwwii> to be honest, unless I actually look at the color and play around with it I cannot tell you a definitive ansewr
[12:26] <kwwii> erm
[12:26] <kwwii> answer
[12:26] <pinheiro> well thare are lodas of colors that go well with this red the question is more what is the message an the style of the site
[12:26] <seele> kwwii: thats ok, this is better than me trying and making someone puke
[12:27] <kwwii> lol
[12:27] <kwwii> there are some purples, and blues that would go well with that too
[12:27] <kwwii> it also depends on how you use the colors
[12:27] <seele> pinheiro: #800100 is my company's color, and they have charged me with refreshing our website
[12:27] <kwwii> and what they are for
[12:27] <pinheiro> yea?
[12:28] <pinheiro> the global message?
[12:28] <kwwii> I just bought a sweater with blue, orange, purple, and red in it
[12:28] <kwwii> ;-)
[12:28] <seele> pinheiro: e-business card -- human factors and usability design
[12:28] <pinheiro> thats not a message :)
[12:28] <kwwii> seele: if you send us an example of where/how it is used I am sure we could help more
[12:29] <kwwii> a graphical example
[12:29] <seele> http://www.obso1337.org/ucd/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/logo.gif
[12:29] <seele> thats our logo
[12:29] <kwwii> oh, you could use several colors in that
[12:29] <kwwii> in fact, I would not suggest just using red orange and yellow
[12:30] <pinheiro> heven redo the intire stuf :P
[12:30] <kwwii> you need three dark color for that
[12:30] <seele> pinheiro: lol.. were not a design company, were just a bunch of people-engineers ;)
[12:30] <kwwii> that would make it stand out much more and allow for a more universal design
[12:30] <seele> well.. design, but not in the graphical sense
[12:30] <seele> kwwii: like dark teal or something? (i see it opposite of red on the color wheel)
[12:30] <kwwii> I would almost use the dark red, a dark blue and a dark green for that
[12:30] <kwwii> yeah
[12:31] <kwwii> complimentary colors for a logo are good
[12:31] <pinheiro> the frist thing that you need to think is what is our message? (what image we want to give of  ourselfs)
[12:31] <seele> pinheiro: our tag like is "Making technology easy to use"
[12:31] <seele> *tag line
[12:32] <pinheiro> there is a difrence betwind message and content ;)
[12:32] <kwwii> if you want to keep is very serious, use that logo and add a dark orange and dark yellow for other parts (the lighter the color, the less you use it)
[12:32] <Hobbsee> seele!!!
[12:32] <seele> Hobbsee: hihi!
[12:33] <kwwii> I wish I could say hihi as man and still be taken seriously
[12:33] <kwwii> :p
[12:33] <pinheiro> the content of an issurance companie is the the insurance is great couse its sooo good
[12:33] <seele> kwwii: ok.  that sounds edgey, but i will take your advice and try it
[12:33] <pinheiro> the message is that we are trustworthy
[12:33] <kwwii> seele: I could help more tomorrow, going to bed soon here
[12:33] <seele> kwwii: you could say heyhey and be like fat albert :)
[12:33] <seele> kwwii: no problem
[12:33] <kwwii> well, I am fat enough as it is
[12:33] <kwwii> trying to stay away from that metaphor
[12:34] <kwwii> :p
[12:34] <seele> i was just snagging some advice from two of the best graphics guys i know ;)
[12:34] <kwwii> ;-)
[12:34] <seele> kwwii: haha.. youre european now.. its hard for you to be FAT
[12:34] <kwwii> lol, I wish
[12:34] <seele> kwwii: youre fat is our normal
[12:34] <kwwii> now that is downright mean
[12:34] <pinheiro> you normal american :)
[12:35] <kwwii> pinheiro: no, not any more
[12:35] <kwwii> believe me
[12:35] <pinheiro> i know you got thin
[12:35] <kwwii> my wife is amazed
[12:35] <Hobbsee> seele: :)
[12:35] <pinheiro> so i have heard
[12:35] <kwwii> slowly getting back to normal
[12:35] <kwwii> anyway
[12:35] <kwwii> time for me to sleep
[12:35] <seele> l8rs
[12:35] <seele> Hobbsee: how are you?
[12:36] <kwwii> well, time to test one more thing, and then I will sleep, brb
[12:36] <kwwii> restarting my system
[12:36] <Hobbsee> seele: good - linux conf au open day was here yesterday, so that was cool :)
[12:36] <pinheiro> seele for this color i would advice you some non to saturated colors but the disign is more important
[12:36] <pinheiro> i used this color once in a design
[12:36] <pinheiro> letme see if i can find it
[12:37] <seele> Hobbsee: yeah, ive been seeing lots of linuxchix posts about it
[12:37] <seele> pinheiro: that would be cool
[12:37] <seele> pinheiro: i've made wireframes, but now they want me to put graphics and color in it -- i am far from being a visual designer
[12:37] <seele> my first go was black, red, and white.  very flat
[12:38] <pinheiro> yea ita flat color
[12:38] <Hobbsee> seele: :)
[12:38] <pinheiro> its also a romantic color
[12:38] <pinheiro> so you cna folow that path
[12:38] <pinheiro> or you can go for the energie path of it
[12:38] <seele> hmm..
[12:38] <pinheiro> couse its red
[12:39] <pinheiro> letme find the design
[12:39] <pinheiro> found it
[12:43] <pinheiro> seele: http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=figjr3.png
[12:43] <pinheiro> ita a realy old design
[12:44] <pinheiro> put the messege was solid professional yet acessible
[12:44] <kwwii> pinheiro has a very good point, if you want to be very serious, use black aa a main color, it accents the dark red well
[12:44] <pinheiro> well that was my intention
[12:44] <kwwii> s/aa/as
[12:44] <seele> kwwii: go to bed!
[12:45] <kwwii> yeah
[12:45] <seele> lol
[12:45] <kwwii> well, I had to restart my x-server to see if my tablet works
[12:45] <kwwii> now I am going to bed
[12:45] <pinheiro> does it works now?
[12:45] <seele> pinheiro: ah, i see what you mean
[12:45] <seele> yes, i was trying to use too much of the red
[12:45] <kwwii> nope
[12:45] <seele> i should instead use it as an accent
[12:45] <kwwii> works like shit
[12:45] <pinheiro> hehehhe
[12:45] <kwwii> I am done for tongiht then
[12:46] <kwwii> see you all tomorrow
[12:46] <pinheiro> yea seele dont use red as the main color red is not a min color
[12:46] <pinheiro> main
[12:46] <pinheiro> its a to strong color with to strog meening
[12:46] <seele> yes, i bet that is my problem
[12:47] <pinheiro> like its nice to have a wall painted red
[12:47] <pinheiro> but dont paint your house
[12:47] <seele> hehe
[12:47] <pinheiro> any way time for bed haswell
[12:47] <seele> 'night
[12:48] <seele> thanks for the help :)
[12:48] <pinheiro> there are lost of colors taht go well ith that clasic red
[12:48] <pinheiro> lost = lots
[12:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm patching knetworkconf tu support feisty
[12:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: the patch is there but it doesn't work, I'm prompted to choose the system at launch and feisty isn't there
[01:03] <Tonio_> hum the patch doesn't apply for some reason..... I'm trying to fix
[01:17] <allee> Riddell: there no UI translations in the (german) language pack.   Known misfeature, that fixes itself, or a bug?
[01:21] <allee> mhmm, I only found 3.5.6 for edgy on kubuntu.org.  I thought feisty pkgs were done first. Where are they?
[01:25] <allee> ^^ found repo in irc logs
[01:53] <jeroenvrp> I try to find the list of versionnumbers of the applications in feisty - does anyone know where I find that?1
[01:53] <jeroenvrp> !
[01:53] <crimsun> packages.ubuntu.com
[01:54] <crimsun> alternately, use that in combination with apt-cache and/or launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/
[01:54] <jeroenvrp> thanks crimsun
[01:55] <crimsun> the archive itself is definitive; lp offers a presentation of it; packages.uc may be slightly out of date due to update lag
[01:57] <jeroenvrp> ok thanks
[01:58] <jeroenvrp> I'm wondering if I should update from edgy to feisty now or in a month or so
[02:33] <Tonio__> Riddell: knetworkconf fixed, I'll also reupload adept since there is a file conflict issue between adept-notifier and adept-common
[02:33] <Tonio__> Riddell: I let the file in adept-common since notifier depends on it via -updater, and since all icons are already in -common
[02:46] <manchicken> Is Feisty really going to put binary drivers on by default?
[03:22] <manchicken> All dead here ^_^
[03:48] <manchicken> Riddell: I'm cool helping you out with your adept tasks.  I'm hoping that I can get this bzr thing to work though.
[03:49] <manchicken> Riddell: I think I'll need some help getting the image into the deb though.
[03:53] <ryanakca> manchicken: http://pastebin.ca/321127 :)
[03:54] <ryanakca> manchicken: nevermind :)
[04:05] <manchicken> SWEET!  I got stuff committing to bazaar!
[04:07] <manchicken> Anybody know if there's a vc bazaar module?
[04:23] <manchicken> Wow, creating branches takes a LONG time.
[04:27] <Mez> Riddell: around ?
[04:31] <manchicken> Mez: Do you know I can add notes to a spec's wiki page without compromising the approved status of the spec?
[04:31] <Mez> *shrugsa*
[04:40] <manchicken> You're no fun anymore.
[05:29] <manchicken> It's interesting that you've gotta give --enable-adept to the configure script in order to get it to build.  heh
[05:47] <manchicken> Anybody have a reproducible way to test adept_batch?
[05:47] <manchicken> Perhaps some test cases?
[06:04] <Hobbsee> mhb: ping
[06:09] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[06:10] <Hobbsee> heya ajmitch
[06:11] <manchicken> Hobbsee!!!  Where do we hide the test cases?
[06:11] <Hobbsee> manchicken: the test cases?
[06:11] <manchicken> I need to figure out how to reliably test adept_batch.
[06:11] <Hobbsee> dunno.  oh wiat
[06:12] <Hobbsee> manchicken: amarok uses adept_batch, to install libxine-extracodecs
[06:12] <Hobbsee> if you purge that from your system, then restart amarok, it'll give you that prompt again
[06:12] <manchicken> Okay.
[06:13] <Tonio__> Hobbsee: did riddell finish the packages ?
[06:14] <Hobbsee> Tonio__: dunno, they seem to be there
[06:15] <Hobbsee> adept is reporting bugs, although i think that might have been from a previous update
[06:15] <Tonio__> Hobbsee: if it's the file conflict I fixed that a couple of hours ago
[06:15] <Hobbsee> Tonio__: the .png file?
[06:15] <Hobbsee> probably just nto published to mirrors yet
[06:16] <Tonio__> yup
[06:16] <manchicken> Okay...
[06:16] <manchicken> So I can just call adept_batch like apt...
[06:17] <Tonio__> manchicken: yeah
[06:17] <manchicken> Groovy.
[06:18] <manchicken> That makes it much easier to test.
[06:19] <manchicken> nighty night.
[06:26] <Hobbsee> jdong: finally some sense!
[06:26] <jdong> Hobbsee: what's that supposed to mean? ;-)
[06:26] <mhb> good morning
[06:27] <jdong> Hobbsee: I become more reasonable when I can see evidence of thought and progress :)
[06:27] <Hobbsee> jdong: that bug report
[06:27] <mhb> especially Hobbsee, who poked me
[06:27] <Hobbsee> hey mhb!  what state is the testing team in?
[06:28] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:28] <jdong> Ohio?
[06:30] <mhb> yeah, Ohio, the fontconfig-was-kinda-broken-thus-waiting-for-the-next-testcd-with-advertising state
[06:30] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:39] <jdong> which is the madwifi-oopses-on-load-so-I-cant-effin-install-herd-2 state?
[06:39] <jdong> ;-)
[06:39] <jdong> and YES, Hobbsee, there is a bug report filed :P
[06:39] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:40] <jdong> and no, I'm not a kernel developer and can't write the patch :)
[06:43] <rideout> Hobbsee: did you get 3.5.6 from kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356-test/ ?
[06:43] <Hobbsee> deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kde-356-feisty/ feisty main
[06:43] <Hobbsee> rideout: i've got them from ^
[06:44] <yuriy> ooh sounds fun, need any help testing those?
[06:44] <rideout> Hobbsee: i'll have to wait, I'm still on edgy ... but maybe now is a good time start testing feisty
[06:44] <Hobbsee> rideout: could be...could indeed be :)
[06:44] <Hobbsee> rideout: assuming it boots, it's fine
[06:44] <Hobbsee> mostly
[06:49] <yuriy> what compositor is planned for kubuntu feisty?
[06:50] <Hobbsee> heya yuriy
[06:50] <Hobbsee> yuriy: probably none
[06:51] <yuriy> oh :\ i thought that was one of the big features planned for feisty
[06:52] <Hobbsee> in ubuntu it is.
[06:52] <Hobbsee> havent you seen how dodgy beryl is on kubuntu?
[06:53] <yuriy> Hobbsee: only issues I have with it is the desktop pager doesn't work and hibernate/suspend don't work
[06:53] <yuriy> and the  latter isn't kde specific afaik
[06:53] <Hobbsee> yuriy: you havent mentioned aquamarine
[06:53] <Hobbsee> but yeah, pager is the biggest thing i noted
[06:54] <yuriy> Hobbsee: well, i've been using emerald with a clone of the edgy theme. so i guess that's kind of cheating
[06:54] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee!
[06:55] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal :)
[06:55] <Hobbsee> yuriy: that is, yes.  it needs to stay looking like kubuntu
[06:55] <Hobbsee> hrm.  guess it does...but still
[06:55] <Hobbsee> it stops you using all of the kde themes, etc, unless there's a clone already done
[06:56] <yuriy> yup, i understand. hmm i should give aquamarine a try anyways i guess
[06:56] <chavo> yes aquamarine is working now
[06:57] <Hobbsee> chavo: oh nice!  it kept sigseiving on me before
[06:57] <yuriy> too bad xcompmgr/kompmgr are still glitchier than beryl. but i guess they're obsolete now
[06:57] <chavo> It does on Crystal, but not other windecos for me
[06:57] <Hobbsee> well, kde 4 is built on that stuff, iir
[06:57] <Hobbsee> c
[07:00] <yuriy> on aquamarine now
[07:00] <yuriy> oh and actually the most annoying problem i have with beryl is the black windows bug
[07:01] <chavo> never saw that one
[07:03] <yuriy> chavo: what driver? it might be an nvidia specific problem. basically it runs out of memory or something and starts showing blank windows, usually remedied by closing some windows
[07:03] <chavo> yuriy, nvidia here too
[07:04] <firephoto> i get white wobbly windows here with beryl, i810 w/ G965 chip.
[07:05] <Hobbsee> it worries me that feisty people seem to be getting white windows with beryl
[07:07] <yuriy> hmm haven't seen that one, maybe an intel thing
[07:07] <yuriy> heh nvidia = black, intel = white
[07:07] <Hobbsee> heaps of people were reporting it
[07:08] <firephoto> i've read that it's fixed if you get the stars lined up right and built xorg/mesa/whatever in the right order. ;)
[07:08] <yuriy> i forgot, which one is ubuntu using?
[07:09] <yuriy> ah there's the sigsegv
[07:10] <yuriy> after switching windecos a few times
[07:14] <Tonio__> bzr is SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
[07:14] <Tonio__> I getting nuts with it and kds
[07:15] <Hobbsee> heya Tonio__
[07:16] <Tonio__> hey Hobbsee :)
[07:16] <Tonio__> 7am here and still not to bed...... shame on me
[07:16] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:19] <Mez> Tonio__, It seems there are huge issues with kxmame
[07:19] <Mez> I was trying to update it to make a depend on a mame emulator
[07:19] <Mez> and it all went horribly wrong
[07:19] <Tonio__> Mez: yeah I know that was on my plans....
[07:20] <Tonio__> Mez: I'm an emulation super-specialist so unless you really want to do it, please let me that pleasure :)
[07:20] <Mez> Tonio__, go for it
[07:20] <Mez> it was just something I noticed :D
[07:20] <Tonio__> Mez: I did the www.planetemu.net website, so....
[07:20] <Tonio__> ;)
[07:21] <Tonio__> I'm doing this in the next hour once kds is uploaded
[07:21] <Mez> lol
[07:21] <Mez> kk
[07:24] <Tonio__> Mez: the point is that my package worked with dapper, maybe just kxmame isn't compatible with latest xmame versions....
[07:25] <Mez> Tonio__, it's extremely foerked up ;)
[07:25] <Tonio__> what ? kxmame ?
[07:30] <Tonio__> Mez: ah it works......
[07:30] <Tonio__> Mez: what is the problem ?
[07:31] <Tonio__> the point is just that it doesn't find the executable by default, but I can patch this
[07:31] <Tonio__> appart from that, it is okay
[07:31] <Mez> Tonio__, try re-building it
[07:32] <Mez> it doesnt find an executable by default cause one isnt installed
[07:32] <Mez> then you try and build - and it alll goes weird
[07:32] <Tonio__> Mez: yeah I installed xmame-x and set the path to it
[07:32] <Tonio__> I could rebuild the games list
[07:32] <Tonio__> no issues
[07:33] <Tonio__> okay let's try a good rom :) shadow dancer !
[07:33] <kwwii> moin Tonio__
[07:33] <Tonio__> hey ken :)
[07:33] <Mez> Tonio__, I mean as in rebuild the binary
[07:33] <Mez> the buildd's rejected it twice
[07:35] <Tonio__> Mez: ah okay I'll do that
[07:35] <Tonio__> the crappy point is that it is a kde app but with qt dialogs :)
[07:35] <Tonio__> ugly isn't it ? :)
[07:35] <Mez> ;)
[07:35] <Mez> I cant be bothered to find a good source for roms
[07:36] <Tonio__> Mez: I have 200 000 roms on my website
[07:36] <Mez> link ? :P
[07:36] <Tonio__> www.planetemu.net
[07:36] <Mez> pay to download? ?
[07:36] <Tonio__> but it's one file per download, sorry :)
[07:36] <Tonio__> Mez: no, but the site has adds
[07:37] <Mez> Tonio__, cant you make me a zip ? :P
[07:37] <Tonio__> well it works
[07:37] <Tonio__> Mez: want ftp access ? :)
[07:37] <Mez> if that would be allowed :P
[07:37] <Tonio__> for you I can do it
[07:38] <Tonio__> just tell me the login/pass you want (notice) and I'm building the account
[07:39] <Mez> lol
[07:39] <Tonio_> what the f**k !!!!
[07:39] <Tonio_> launching a game closed my kde session :)
[07:40] <Tonio_> that's pretty horrible !
[07:40] <Mez> lol
[07:40] <Mez> Tonio_, out of curiosity, I can seem to find a download link
[07:40] <Mez> just articles
[07:40] <Tonio_> Mez: on the right, click on Mame
[07:41] <Tonio_> then you'll see the ROMS section, go there, and everything is in it
[07:41] <Mez> nvm me
[07:41] <Tonio_> in the set MAME (CHD & Samples excluded)
[07:41] <Tonio_> yeah that's french sorry :)
[07:41] <Tonio_> I receive about 100 complains a day that the wensite isn't in english :)
[07:42] <Tonio_> ho and fyi download will not work with konqueror
[07:42] <Mez> Tonio_, it's no problem -0 I understand french :D
[07:42] <Mez> Tonio_, I use FF
[07:42] <Mez> and where do I save them to ?
[07:42] <Tonio_> I just changed the download script and it needs fixing since it is a bit complex :)
[07:42] <Tonio_> uses proftpd-mysql etc...
[07:43] <Tonio_> I try to avoid leechers
[07:43] <Mez> my god
[07:43] <Mez> thats scary
[07:43] <Mez> windows style open dialog
[07:44] <Tonio_> that's qt
[07:44] <Tonio_> qt ressemble windows a lot
[07:44] <Tonio_> Mez: but the rest of the app is based on kdelibs :)
[07:45] <Tonio_> that's completly stupid
[07:45] <Mez> lol
[07:46] <yuriy> i wanted to see if it's the same dialog i'm used to with opera, and it is
[07:46] <Tonio_> Mez: should be okay via ftp://planetemu.net
[07:46] <Tonio_> Mez: the binary is in /usr/games
[07:47] <yuriy> at least this thing can be patched by someone concerned... too bad i don't see opera putting in kde dialogs in the future
[07:49] <Tonio_> heh, mez just launched a game, looks like ;)
[07:49] <Tonio_> [07:49]  <Tonio_> heh, mez just launched a game, looks like ;)
[07:49] <Tonio_> Mez: have you been disconnected by the program ?
[07:50] <Mez> hmm
[07:50] <Mez> when I set the path of Xmame
[07:50] <Mez> all not exactly
[07:50] <Mez> when i set the path for Xmame
[07:50] <Mez> it just
[07:50] <Mez> gave me a blank completely unresponsive screen (but my KDE was runnning cause i could still hear my amarok in the BG)
[07:51] <Tonio_> hum, I didn't have that issue
[07:51] <Tonio_> I can launch a game, but kde get closed and the game launches..... very strange....
[07:51] <Tonio_> I wonder if that's a xmame issue or kxmame one.... I'm testing
[07:51] <Tonio_> maybe xmame-x isn't the version to use
[07:53] <Tonio_> Mez: I'm testing with xmame-sdl
[07:54] <Mez> ok, so where do I save my games?
[07:54] <Mez> ok, apparentlyu i have 6166 gamnes available
[07:54] <Tonio_> Mez: no that's the list of existing games
[07:55] <Mez> lol
[07:55] <Tonio_> you have to download a rom and then pick up the folder in the config, then rescan
[07:55] <Mez> where do i install games to ?
[07:55] <Tonio_> and behind available you'll see your roms
[07:55] <Mez> what was that ftp url again ?
[07:55] <Tonio_> Mez: install them where you want, and configure kxmame to scan in that folder
[07:55] <Tonio_> ftp://planetemu.net
[07:56] <Mez> Message sent:
[07:56] <Mez> Login using username=mez and password=[hidden] 
[07:56] <Mez> Server replied:
[07:56] <Mez> 530 Login incorrect.
[07:56] <Mez> Do you want to retry?
[07:56] <Tonio_> yeah I have to retype password, copy/paste failed....
[07:56] <Mez> lol
[07:58] <Mez> Tonio_, poke me when done
[07:58] <Mez> going to get cigs
[08:00] <Tonio_> rahhhhhhhhhhhhhh I unpluged my router......
[08:00] <Tonio_> okay let's finish the config
[08:00] <Tonio_> Mez: sorry ;)
[08:00] <Tonio_> <Anonymous /home/roms>
[08:00] <Tonio_>         User                    mdz
[08:00] <Tonio_> that's when I'm reaaaaaaaaaaaaally tired
[08:01] <Tonio_> interesting, proftpd reload argument fails.....
[08:02] <Tonio_> Mez: works this time
[08:03] <Tonio_> Mez: okay the problem with the package is a classic issue
[08:03] <Tonio_> we had the same with kde for a very long time, and there is a common fix
[08:03] <Tonio_> that's a problem with linux-kernel headers
[08:04] <Tonio_> but the ben claims that's kde's fault while the kde guys claim that's a kernel issue.....
[08:04] <Tonio_> okay I'm patching this
[08:05] <Mez> w00t
[08:05] <Mez> thats my first time I've walked home on auto-pilot
[08:05] <Mez> lol
[08:05] <Mez> oh wow
[08:05] <Mez> MSX stuff ?
[08:06] <kwwii> wow, my son has no school today because of the storm last night
[08:07] <kwwii> amazing
[08:09] <yuriy> storm? lucky. we just have a little bit of slush on the ground
[08:10] <kwwii> yuriy: yeah, in germany there was quite a storm last night
[08:10] <kwwii> although it was not so bad here, really
[08:11] <kwwii> now I have to watch my son - so much for working
[08:11] <yuriy> i think we were/are supposed to have some sort of storm this week. haven't seen much of it, though it did finally get cold
[08:11] <kwwii> lol, you can tell people from northern climates
[08:11] <kwwii> the germans are all complainin that it is not cold yet
[08:11] <kwwii> while I am happy that it is still warm
[08:13] <kwwii> looks like my imap server kills kmail
[08:13] <yuriy> heh. my professor today said we could have class outside when it gets over 20 (implying C), I suggested she should mean F
[08:13] <kwwii> ;-(
[08:13] <kwwii> lol
[08:14] <kwwii> moin Lure
[08:14] <Lure> kwwii: hi!
[08:14] <Hobbsee> kwwii: that's normal
[08:15] <yuriy> ktorrent has been downloading the same chunk over and over for the last 20 minutes :( oh well time to sleep
[08:15] <kwwii> Hobbsee: well, it has been working until now, but for some reason it hates me this morning
[08:15] <Hobbsee> kwwii: ahh, so you dont get hit by the "randomly select a message, and it crashes" bug
[08:16] <kwwii> Hobbsee: nope, it just continually shows a progress bar that is flipping out - the mails are there but they keep flickering
[08:16] <Hobbsee> weird
[08:16] <kwwii> I think it cannot handle so many mails
[08:16] <kwwii> just moved to my wonderfull new laptop
[08:17] <Lure> kwwii: how many mails?
[08:18] <kwwii> a few thousand i guess
[08:18] <Lure> imap or disconnected imap?
[08:18] <Lure> kwwii: I use disconnected imap on MS Exchange and in handles 4000 mails in folder w/o problems
[08:18] <kwwii> I tried disconnected imap yesterday and that worked for a while but this morning no more...so I tried normal imap and now it hates me
[08:18] <Lure> Hobbsee: where is 3.5.6?
[08:19] <Lure> normal imap is slow - that is why toma wrote mailody
[08:19] <Lure> kwwii: actually you may like mailody
[08:19] <Hobbsee> Lure: deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kde-356-feisty/ feisty main
[08:19] <kwwii> Lure: never heard of it...is it a kde app?
[08:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping when you get here
[08:20] <Lure> kwwii: www.mailody.net - it is still in development, also has some nice concepts and it is *way* faster than kmail
[08:20] <Lure> kwwii: it has only imap/smtp support (no pop yet)
[08:21] <kwwii> well, then it is halfway there for me
[08:21] <kwwii> I have two pop accounts as well
[08:21] <Lure> kwwii: same for me ;-)
[08:21] <kwwii> I thought about trying thunderbird
[08:21] <Lure> kwwii: I thought Hobbsee uses thunderbird, no?
[08:21] <Hobbsee> Lure: i do
[08:22] <Lure> kwwii: so you will have at least first class supoort ;-)
[08:22] <kwwii> hehe, yeah
[08:22] <kwwii> lol, even better
[08:26] <kwwii> uck, thunderbird looks so ugly
[08:26] <kwwii> works well though
[08:29] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:29] <Hobbsee> kwwii: beta 1 is quite nice.  beta 2 is out next week or something
[08:29] <Hobbsee> or they freeze next week, and release the beta 2 after that
[08:29] <Hobbsee> dont quite remember
[08:29] <kwwii> cool
[08:29] <kwwii> acutally, I am tired of continually updating my software
[08:30] <kwwii> it is almost worse than MS
[08:30] <Hobbsee> true...i only do it for those two, and theyv'e got an autoupdater if i remember to run it
[08:30] <Hobbsee> (seeing as it doesnt normally run as root)
[08:30] <kwwii> torsten rahn (tackat) fell asleep on his once and every now and then he would say things like slkfkfjsalkjfsakjgaskgjlsakghdslhgfhdflkhfdsahlhs
[08:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:32] <kwwii> ahhaaaa...I think the problem is not with kmail, but with my server
[08:47] <kwwii> lol, it put all my mail in the trash
[08:58] <Hobbsee> kwwii: smart server.  it knew you didnt want to read it
[08:58] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato!
[08:58] <kwwii> Hobbsee: yeah, how important can those stupid work emails be anyway?
[08:59] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee
[08:59] <Hobbsee> kwwii: *grin*
[08:59] <Hobbsee> Jucato: tried 3.5.6 on feisty yet?
[08:59] <Jucato> Hobbsee: no...
[09:00] <Jucato> Hobbsee: unfortunately, this month is hell for me... so I can't do more than help once in a while in #kubuntu...
[09:01] <Hobbsee> Jucato: :( why so?
[09:02] <Jucato> loads of "work"... I kept on denying that they existed...and now I'm kinda overwhelmed... :P
[09:03] <Hobbsee> ahh
[09:03] <Jucato> and Second Life didn't help either... @_@
[09:17] <Jucato> Hobbsee: although I might already be running 3.5.6 actually...
[09:17] <Hobbsee> Jucato: oh?
[09:17] <Jucato> Hobbsee: from SVN branches
[09:17] <Hobbsee> ah
[09:22] <Lure> Hobbsee: looks ok on first look - anything new that is worth mentioning?
[09:23] <Tonio_> Lure: packages are out for feisty ?
[09:23] <Lure> deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kde-356-feisty/ feisty main
[09:24] <Lure> Tonio_: Riddell is just waiting for official release date (afaik)
[09:24] <Tonio_> thanks ;) I have a few tests to perform -> kwallet bug !!
[09:25] <Tonio_> Lure: I just hope for once the new version will not include new critical issues...........
[09:25] <Tonio_> 3.5.4 and 3.5.5 were shames on that point
[09:25] <Lure> Tonio_: new issues are proof of progress ;-)
[09:26] <Lure> Tonio_: at least we have now some time to stabilize it for 7.04 release
[09:26] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, but well kde4 will not be stable before a very lond time so it would be nice to have a super stable release of kde3
[09:26] <Tonio_> my 2 cents :)
[09:27] <Lure> Tonio_: but we also need new improvements to keep people interested until kde4 is stable enpough for them to switch
[09:28] <Tonio_> what's new in 356 ?
[09:28] <Lure> Tonio_: I agree though that every point release should be considered stable and some bugs should be avoided
[09:28] <Tonio_> I just hope the session management is debugged
[09:28] <Jucato> danimo's password dots
[09:28] <Lure> http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_5to3_5_6.php
[09:29] <Tonio_> that's what causes the kwallet issue, and knetworkmanager hanging kwallet sometimes, no issues on 3.5.4
[09:30] <Lure> Tonio_: what bothers me is that kwalletmanager causes 100% load on kded on login somtimes (40% chance)
[09:30] <Lure> Tonio_: there seems to be some timing issue which causes endless loop in kded
[09:30] <Tonio_> ark
[09:30] <Tonio_> Bugfixes:
[09:30] <Tonio_> Improved 7zip support. See SVN commit 596246.
[09:30] <Tonio_> hehe, I finally contributed to kde :)
[09:30] <Tonio_> that''s my patches
[09:30] <Lure> Tonio_: is this what you are hunting?
[09:30] <Lure> Tonio_: nice
[09:34] <Tonio_> le konsole horrible "bip" has finally been replaced :)
[09:34] <Tonio_> that's kool
[09:40] <Tonio_> Lure: the kwallet bug is still there.......... shit
[09:41] <Lure> Tonio_: can you write down instructions how to reproduce it and I may look into it after FF?
[09:41] <Lure> Tonio_: re konsole horrible "bip"> I like visual beep as default - maybe we should change k-d-s?
[09:41] <Tonio_> Lure: well, save konqueror passwords, they are in the wallet
[09:42] <Tonio_> logout, login they have dissapeared, unless you manually close the wallet....
[09:42] <Tonio_> doesn't seem to be due to kwallet iteself but to the session management
[09:42] <Lure> Tonio_: ok, can you drop me this in e-mail, so that I do not forget
[09:42] <Tonio_> let me show you the bug id
[09:42] <Lure> Tonio_: it may be konqueror issue (caching?)
[09:42] <Tonio_> Lure: no same error with kontact, knetworkmanager etc........
[09:44] <Tonio_> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136411
[09:44] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 136411 in kwallet "KWallet loses new passwords when closed since XML file import" [Normal,New] 
[09:44] <Tonio_> here is the bug
[09:44] <Tonio_> 160 votes, and nothing........
[09:44] <Tonio_> confirmed on gentoo, mandriva etc....
[09:48] <Lure> Tonio_: why do we not use patch from the bug?
[09:49] <Tonio_> Lure: we should be the patch wasn't there last time we checked
[09:49] <Tonio_> Lure: the problem is I think the same kded issues causes the knetworkmanager problem
[09:49] <Lure> Tonio_: it is just workaround, but better than nothing
[09:49] <Tonio_> there is also a patch for this
[09:50] <Tonio_> but it means autostart knetworkmanager and remove the session-thing
[09:50] <Tonio_> I don't know Riddell's opinion on that point
[09:50] <Tonio_> should we autostart it ?
[09:50] <Lure> Tonio_: I think Riddell added knetworkmanager to autostart
[09:50] <Tonio_> Lure: it doesn't for me
[09:50] <Lure> Tonio_: it is part of network-roaming spec
[09:50] <Tonio_> yes but it doesn't autostart here
[09:51] <Tonio_> maybe because of that session thing ?
[09:51] <Tonio_> Lure: how does it autostart ? I don't see anything in /usr/share/autostart....
[09:52] <Tonio_>   [ Jonathan Riddell ] 
[09:52] <Tonio_>   * Add knetworkmanager to ksmserverrc for
[09:52] <Tonio_>     startup by default, see NetworkRoaming spec
[09:52] <Tonio_> ksmserverrc...... what does this do ?
[09:53] <Tonio_> bah that's the session thing :)
[09:53] <Tonio_> that will not work.... we have to workarround that, and do the way debian does...
[09:53] <Tonio_> Lure: I'll fix this right now
[09:54] <Tonio_> plus I don't think riddell did it correctly, a session file is needed for that to work... like kmix has in kds
[11:19] <Tm_T> I wonder if I should stick in Edgy if I like to play around with KDE4.
[11:30] <kwwii> Tm_T: I would guess that the latest stuff is for feisty (but I don't really know, so don't listen to me)
[11:30] <Tm_T> And by playing I mean compiling and testing and compiling again. ;)
[11:31] <Tm_T> That comes later.
[11:31] <kwwii> well, if you are compiling yourself then edgy would be the easier one to debug, I guess, as feisty is still, well, erm, feisty
[11:31] <kwwii> ;-)
[11:31] <Tm_T> Yup, so I thought.
[11:32] <Jucato> (or if you want stable... use Dapper as base :P )
[11:32] <kwwii> hehe, yeah
[11:32] <kwwii> bbl
[11:33] <Tm_T> kwwii: Btw Oxy cursors are fun. :)
[11:33] <kwwii> Tm_T: I am not too happy with them, but then again we are still working on them
[11:33] <kwwii> I do not like the white border
[11:34] <Tm_T> Yup, fun as different.
[11:34] <kwwii> :-)
[11:35] <Tm_T> Hehe.
[11:35] <Jucato> that should be good... less drooling for me
[11:35] <Tm_T> Gone. ->
[11:39] <kwwii> Jucato: get it from anon svn
[11:40] <Jucato> kwwii: I have to run some scripts to generate the icons?
[11:40] <kwwii> Jucato: yes, there is a utils dir with a script and a readme
[11:40] <kwwii> basically, get the whole stuff
[11:40] <kwwii> copy the svg/ dir somewhere
[11:41] <kwwii> put the generate script from utils in the svg/ dir
[11:41] <kwwii> and then call it
[11:41] <Jucato> that simple?! heh :)
[11:41] <kwwii> it will create a tar.gz that you can install
[11:41] <Jucato> thanks :)
[11:41] <kwwii> that is for the icons
[11:41] <kwwii> for the cursors, there is a script in the cursors/ dir
[11:41] <Jucato> ugh... I have to rush off... :(
[11:41] <Jucato> brb :(
[11:41] <kwwii> cool
[11:41] <kwwii> bbl
[11:41] <Jucato> kwwii: thank!
[11:42] <kwwii> no prob
[11:51] <Tonio_> kwwii: did you notice kwin-crystal upstream doesn't include the latest version of the edgy theme, but the "in work" one
[11:52] <Tonio_> kwwii: I'm preparing a fixed tarball
[12:08] <Hobbsee> kwwii: question for you
[12:13] <Riddell> Hobbsee: 3.5.6 URL us fine in here or -testers, just not anywhere for users
[12:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: how does debian start knetworkmanager?
[12:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: okay
[12:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: via /usr/share/autostart
[12:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that includes kubuntu-devel ML, presumably?
[12:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: that resolves the session management issues that bloat knetworkmanager everytime it tries to access kwallet
[12:15] <Tonio_> mbiebl sent me the tip via email yesterday concerning this, so I simply applied his patches
[12:16] <Tonio_> btw Riddell if you wanna use ksmserver to autostart something, you need to provide a session file with it
[12:16] <Tonio_> that's why katapult doesn't autostart at first boot on kubuntu, I also have to fix this...
[12:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: how about starting katapult via a /usr/share/autostart file too ?
[12:17] <Tonio_> there is no reason not to start it...
[12:17] <Riddell> Hobbsee: dunno, best not
[12:18] <Riddell> Hobbsee: last time it got onto the forumns and the KDE release dude told me off
[12:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: of course knetworkmanager via sessions will be better when debugged, but well, that's a very old bug now, and somehow critical for average user, since it is hard to kill it... that's why I think a good workarround is nice ;)
[12:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: katapult does start from the session for me and the CD, but I'm happy for it to be changed to autostart if you want
[12:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: does it ? I got problems last time I tested a cd.... maybe I'm wrong btw
[12:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: it starts from the session for me too, but I have to launch it first time too
[12:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll fix that today
[12:20] <Tonio_> I'm working on kwin-style-crystal....
[12:21] <Tonio_> ho Riddell I have a patch for the kwallet bug (passwords not saved) can you include it before the release ?
[12:21] <Tonio_> george staikos approved it
[12:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: why wouldn't we include it?
[12:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe that's my feeling, so here is the patch
[12:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/44
[12:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: also I noticed you forgot to remove trash.desktop from kdebase-kio-plugins
[12:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdebase-kio-plugins.install:debian/tmp/usr/share/apps/systemview/trash.desktop
[12:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's in the debian-ubuntu-differences files
[12:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: where's the patch from?
[12:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: kde bts, lemme show you
[12:31] <Tonio_> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136411
[12:31] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 136411 in kwallet "KWallet loses new passwords when closed since XML file import" [Normal,New] 
[12:38] <Riddell> Hobbsee: able to kickban anouk in #kubuntu?
[12:38] <Riddell> Tm_T, apokryphos ^^
[12:38] <apokryphos> sure 8)
[12:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sorry, was AFK
[12:43] <Mez> Riddell, you coulda poked me too
[12:47] <Kano> hi
[12:47] <Kano> could someone replace kaffeine with the version of debian
[12:47] <Riddell> umm, no
[12:47] <Kano> in ubuntu the includes are missing and i only can scan dvb channels but not watch em
[12:47] <Riddell> but we can merge in fixes
[12:48] <Kano> well currently compiling it
[12:52] <Kano> and when will kde-systemsettings be fixed that they are not in lost+found
[12:52] <Kano> kde-systemsettings: /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications-merged/system-settings-merge.menu
[12:53] <Kano> hmm compiled the debian kaffeine and got the same error
[12:55] <Kano> there must be something missing thats not missing in debian
[12:55] <Kano> 12:55:17: xine: couldn't find demux for >/home/xxx/.kaxtv.
[12:56] <Kano> no mpeg2 demuxer?
[12:56] <Riddell> so you have libxine-extracodecs installed?
[12:56] <Riddell> s/so/do/
[12:56] <Hobbsee> gah.  *goes thwacking with the cluebat*
[12:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: awww....but the guy deserves it :P
[12:58] <Kano> libxine1-ffmpeg was missing, but why is that no dep then?
[12:59] <Kano> then just add that as dep and the includes...
[01:00] <Riddell> it's restricted by US patents
[01:00] <kwwii> Hobbsee: I think it is perfectly fine for me to harrass my wife
[01:01] <kwwii> heck, that is part of her job as wife, as I see it :p
[01:01] <Kano> Riddell: but why is it in debian then?
[01:01] <Hobbsee> kwwii: heh.
[01:01] <Kano> i only installed there kaffeine and it worked...
[01:01] <Riddell> Kano: debian has no money to be sued out of
[01:02] <Kano> isnt it in ubuntu main?
[01:02] <Kano> just not preinstalled...
[01:04] <zorglu_> q. im running kubuntu dapper, and i got a significant memory leak when running apps using java+gtk, anybody knows if edgy or feisty has this bug fixed ?
[01:05] <Hobbsee> oh you *moron*.  dont play ban evasion with me.
[01:05] <Hobbsee> zorglu_: a) try it.  b) how would we know?
[01:06] <zorglu_> i dunno, maybe because you are the one packaging kubuntu and so following bug on it ? :)
[01:06] <Hobbsee> doesnt mean i run gtk and java stuff
[01:06] <zorglu_> how can i get this information without instaling it ? (this would require to fully install it, so consuming disk space and time)
[01:07] <Hobbsee> search teh forums, check for bugs maybe?
[01:09] <zorglu_> ok is there a better place to ask ?
[01:10] <Hobbsee> not that i know of
[01:11] <Hobbsee> sorry :(
[01:11] <zorglu_> hehe ok, so i will live with it :) rebooting 3 time a day is not that bad
[01:13] <Hobbsee> (sorry for the @'s - chanserv is lagging badly here)
[01:28] <Kano> Riddell: is there a h264 (avc) package too?
[01:29] <Riddell> Kano: user questions in #kubuntu (cos I don't know)
[02:01] <Kano> btw. mplayer is even in debian now (not the mencoder), will it come to u too?
[02:02] <Hobbsee> Kano:
[02:02] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ madison mplayer
[02:02] <Hobbsee>    mplayer | 2:0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu8 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au feisty/multiverse Packages
[02:02] <Hobbsee>    mplayer | 2:0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu8 | http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/multiverse Packages
[02:02] <Hobbsee>    mplayer | 2:0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu8 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au feisty/multiverse Sources
[02:02] <Hobbsee>    mplayer | 2:0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu8 | http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/multiverse Sources
[02:04] <Kano> hmm even vlc can playback h264
[02:04] <Kano> why not kaffeine?
[02:04] <Kano> whats the logic behind that
[02:05] <Hobbsee> kaffeine is there?
[02:05] <Kano> well i installed that ffmpeg package for it
[02:05] <Kano> then i have at least mpeg2
[02:06] <Kano> but i need h264 (mpeg4 avc) too
[02:09] <Kano> it seems noone uses those media files....
[02:09] <Riddell> Kano: you want to talk to siretart on #ubuntu-motu, he maintains xine
[02:23] <Lure> Tonio_: this seems to be the right way to handle autostart of knetworkmanager: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=116921124400692&w=2
[02:25] <Tonio_> Lure: interesting !
[02:25] <Riddell> that would need coding in knetworkmanager to handle
[02:30] <Lure> Riddell: probably, but it is the only way to allow user to decide if he wants it started by default on not
[02:30] <Lure> Riddell: Quit anyway asks for confirmation, so we could add another checkbox for this
[02:31] <Lure> Riddell: "Do not start automatically"
[02:31] <Lure> Riddell: or in menu Options, have "Autostart on login"
[02:32] <Riddell> meh, hassle :)
[02:32] <Lure> Tonio_: btw, it is mbiebl who asked this question, so he might not like current /usr/share/autostart idea completelly
[02:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: do we not want kaffeineoggvorbis in kaffeine package?
[02:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I was supposed to remove audio features from kaffeine
[02:34] <Tonio_> but now the idea has changed, yes, you're right, I should had it back
[02:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: oh?  what's changed?
[02:34] <Tonio_> bah we decided just to change file associations but to keep audio fonctionnalities in kaffeine
[02:35] <Tonio_> unless I mussunderstood ;)
[02:35] <Riddell> dunno, I just do whatever you say :)
[02:35] <Tonio_> lots of people started to complain in fact
[02:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll fix this today as well as the knetworkmanager autostart
[02:35] <Hobbsee> yay!
[02:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: should I also add back kaffeine_play_audiocd.desktop?
[02:36] <Riddell> or is that a shortcut, which we still don't want?
[02:37] <Tonio_> no need of that, it'll mess the context menu and action popup in konqueror
[02:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is still the option to launch kaffeine and play a cd so that should be enought no ?
[02:38] <Riddell> yep
[02:40] <Riddell> ok uploaed
[02:40] <Riddell> uplo#aded
[02:40] <Riddell> thing
[02:40] <Riddell> oh, he didn't stay to get the new kaffeine he wanted
[02:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: you're doing it right now ?
[02:41] <Riddell> gone
[02:41] <Riddell> uploaded
[03:00] <imbrandon> Tonio_, i want roms , heh
[03:01] <Tonio_> imbrandon: what for, emulation is a pain with linux ;)
[03:01] <Mez> Tonio_, you still didnt tell me what I needed to do
[03:01] <imbrandon> Tonio_, i have mame and xsnes9x working great in linux
[03:02] <imbrandon> i was thinking about building a mame cabnet soonish
[03:02] <imbrandon> probably this summer
[03:02] <imbrandon> ( with powered by kubuntu logo's all over it ) hehe
[03:02] <Tonio_> Mez: I'm fighting to get xmess working.....
[03:02] <Tonio_> Mez: xmame works, but the frontend part for xmess is just a nightmare
[03:03] <Tonio_> imbrandon: need ftp access too ?
[03:03] <Mez> lol
[03:03] <imbrandon> xmess just sucks imho
[03:03] <imbrandon> heh
[03:03] <imbrandon> Tonio_, yea ;)
[03:03] <Tonio_> imbrandon: not that much, it is okay in the shell
[03:03] <Tonio_> shit......
[03:03] <Tonio_> Mez: can I change your password for something generic ?
[03:03] <imbrandon> ?
[03:04] <Tonio_> I don't want to create 1000 anonymous accounts for my ftp :)
[03:04] <Tonio_> imbrandon: the 'shit' wasn't for you of course
[03:04] <Mez> Tonio_, go for it
[03:04] <Tonio_> was for that stipid frontend
[03:04] <Tonio_> Mez: what can I put ?
[03:05] <Mez> Tonio_, pick something and tell me
[03:05] <imbrandon> Tonio_, i'm not anonymouse hehe
[03:05] <imbrandon> :)
[03:05] <imbrandon> i like my c64 emu's too
[03:38] <Tonio_> Mez: kxmame is nice for mame but I think we have to forget about it concerning xmess
[03:38] <Tonio_> xmess command line works like a charm
[03:39] <Mez> lol
[04:12] <Riddell> ** edgy 3.5.6 for testing   deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356-test/ edgy main
[04:12] <Riddell> i386 only
[04:15] <kwwii> Riddell: how much do I want to test that?
[04:15] <bddebian> Heya
[04:16] <kwwii> hi bddebian
[04:16] <bddebian> Heya kwwii
[04:19] <Riddell> kwwii: are you running edgy?
[04:19] <kwwii> Riddell: yepp
[04:19] <Riddell> lots and lots then
[04:19] <kwwii> lol
[04:19] <Riddell> since when did you have an i386?
[04:20] <kwwii> Riddell: since yesterday :-)
[04:20] <Riddell> macbook?
[04:20] <Riddell> wow, that's a change
[04:20] <kwwii> yeah, and it is *amazing*
[04:21] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[04:22] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[04:23] <kwwii> Riddell: I know I have done this before, butI forget...it complains about not having a public key
[04:25] <Riddell> see http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-161.php
[04:27] <kwwii> cool, thnx
[04:31] <allee> Riddell: is it a known that (at least) some translations are missing from language-packs  No  digikam translations in feisty
[04:34] <kwwii> ok, here goes, restarting kde
[04:38] <kwwii> well, it appears to work
[05:34] <apokryphos> Riddell: might want to +b ubotu in here, he's playing up
[05:34] <apokryphos> we've handled it for most of the other channels
[05:35] <kwwii> hehe, yeah, no doubt
[05:35] <kwwii> w00t
[05:35] <Jucato> silly ubotu... :)
[05:35] <kwwii> gosh, I feel so important
[05:36] <apokryphos> ooOOoo  8)
[05:36] <Jucato> wow congrats :)
[05:36] <Jucato> you *are* important :)
[05:36] <kwwii> lol, I wish
[05:37] <Lure> kwwii: will you do artwork in general or kubuntu only?
[05:37] <Jucato> c'mon! we wouldn't have had purple if not for you :)
[05:44] <kwwii> Lure: artwork in general, although my exact job is not 100% clear to me yet
[05:44] <kwwii> I will be doing kubuntu, and other stuff as well
[05:51] <stdin> can anyone answer how the kernel choose which module to load for a specific piece of hardware?
[06:01] <Lure> kwwii: I am sure you would hate a job which would be 100% clear ;-)
[06:02] <kwwii> Lure: lol, yeah well, I am sure that mark knows exactly what I will be doing and I am sure that he will tell me ;-)
[06:02] <kwwii> although it might very well change from day to day
[06:02] <sebas> Wait, *I* am the one who's telling kwwii what he should do?!
[06:02] <Lure> kwwii: so, will we get polyester for feisty (time is ticking...)?
[06:02] <kwwii> hehe
[06:03] <kwwii> Lure: I was just going to talk about that
[06:03] <kwwii> I have it setup here with a config that I thinks looks nice
[06:03] <kwwii> we should set it as default for a while and see who screams
[06:03] <Lure> kwwii: windeco from edgy is for me still better than polyester
[06:03] <kwwii> Riddell: what do you think about testing out polyester
[06:03] <kwwii> oh, we should keep the same window deco
[06:04] <kwwii> but the style should be polyester
[06:04] <kwwii> I tuned it down by configuring things well
[06:04] <Lure> kwwii: what I do not like with polyester that your purple is a bit too strong for scrollbars
[06:04] <kwwii> Lure: exactly, I also changed the selection colors to make those look nicer
[06:04] <Lure> kwwii: however it is better that it is more obvious than plastik
[06:05] <kwwii> so we would need to change the color scheme and add the config file
[06:05] <Lure> kwwii: otherwise polyester looks stable for me (beta's had quite some artifacts, so I did not use it for long)
[06:06] <Lure> Tonio__: wb!
[06:06] <kwwii> Lure: I have only tested it on edgy (although with the new kde) and it looks fine here
[06:06] <Lure> Tonio__: we are just discussing some more work for you (polyester style)
[06:06] <Lure> ;-)
[06:07] <kwwii> Tonio__: yeah, got a few things for you to do ;-)
[06:27] <freeflying> adept's bug fixed?
[06:29] <kwwii> Lure: you don't happen to know where the config file is saved for polyester, do you?
[06:30] <Lure> kwwii: not really
[06:30] <Lure> kwwii: I just use the package in the repo, as-is
[06:30] <sebas> How about ~/.kde/share/config/kwinpolyesterrc ?
[06:30] <sebas> That's what locate gives me :)
[06:31] <Lure> sebas: ;-)
[06:31] <sebas> Bunch of n00bs! ;-)
[06:31] <kwwii> sebas: dude, that is what I thought too but that file does not exist on my system
[06:33] <kwwii> hehe, sebas that file is for the window deco, not the style
[06:34] <kwwii> that is why I do not have it, as I am not using the window deco
[06:34] <kwwii> you n00b
[06:34] <kwwii> :p
[06:37] <yuriy> maybe polyesterstylerc
[06:44] <kwwii> freaky, I cannot find this file...really weird
[06:47] <yuriy> kwwii: i have /etc/qt3/lipstiksylerc weird place for it but you could look there
[07:30] <allee> Riddell: any tip? are you aware of an dlopen (k)ubuntu specific changes?  In debian, digikam does not find libgphoto plugins without .la files.  Works fine in kubuntu and gtkam in debian
[07:31] <Riddell> allee: no idea, but we have an updated toolchain for feisty whereas I guess etch is all frozen
[07:31] <Riddell> doko would be a good dude to ask
[07:33] <allee> Riddell: thx.  I'll ping him.  having a -dev depends is hackish and ugly and I would like avoid merging.
[07:33] <Riddell> apokryphos: +b done
[07:33] <Riddell> kwwii: 3.5.6 in edgy all good?
[07:34] <Riddell> kwwii: if you want polyester you need to write a main inclusion report
[07:35] <allee> Riddell: ah, 3.5.6 that reminds me: on 3.5.5 media handling of CDROM was broken. I vote for a longer testing period until kde-stable is directed to 3.5.6.   At least here in the institute got  QA-- due to it
[07:42] <Riddell> I need to put a notice on the pages saying those packages aren't supported
[07:42] <Riddell> and thanks for reminding me, I need to put hal in the archive too
[07:43] <Riddell> hmm, or maybe that's just dapper
[07:43] <Riddell> kwwii: how's cd and usb stick mounting doing in 3.5.6 on edgy?
[07:45] <firephoto> Riddell: cd and usb mounting looks fine here, popup window, mounts, safely remove and eject ok.
[07:46] <firephoto> 356 edgy.
[07:47] <Riddell> firephoto: excellent, thanks
[07:48] <mhb> firephoto: kopete works fine?
[07:48] <mhb> firephoto: including the "bubbles" above the tray icon
[07:48] <firephoto> mhb: nope, bubble is missing, heard the sound though
[07:49] <firephoto> was there a change there? i know that bubble was crashing composite last i knew.
[07:50] <mhb> firephoto: the bubble worked in 355
[07:51] <firephoto> kopete: WARNING: KXMLGUIClient::setXMLFile: cannot find .rc file jabberchatui.rc
[07:51] <apokryphos> Riddell: he returned back to normal shortly after that, anyhow :D
[07:53] <firephoto> mhb: that warning isn't related to the bubble i guess. i tried disabling/enabling the bubble but nothing changed. it's still missing.
[07:53] <sebas> Do the packages still spit out a lot of crap in the console?
[07:54] <sebas> QInputContext: no input method context available
[07:54] <sebas> QInputContext: no input method context available
[07:54] <Riddell> sebas: there's still X errors from the non-existant tabled device
[07:54] <sebas> My current setup has this all the time.
[07:54] <Riddell> sebas: I don't have those skim warnings in feisty
[07:55] <sebas> I have edgy
[07:58] <Riddell> sebas: skim in feisty is quieter
[07:58] <Riddell> but the X warnings are still a pain
[07:58] <Riddell> filling up .xsession-errors and aa
[08:01] <Sime> Greetings all.
[08:01] <sebas> Sime is back!
[08:01] <sebas> wb :)
[08:01] <Sime> I got back on wednesday.
[08:02] <Sime> still catching up on things
[08:03] <mhb> hi Sime
[08:03] <Riddell> Sime!
[08:03] <Sime> hi
[08:03] <Riddell> we misse
[08:03] <Riddell> we missed you
[08:04] <Riddell> we ported guidance to ruby while you were gone
[08:04] <Sime> lol
[08:05] <Sime> hows feisty?
[08:05] <Lure> lol
[08:05] <Sime>  (I have no idea).
[08:05] <Sime> my email ran out of space around christmas...
[08:07] <Riddell> oops
[08:07] <Riddell> feisty seems to be working nicely
[08:10] <Sime> were there any big changes for Kubuntu in feisty?
[08:13] <Lure> Sime: more polish, and quite some porting to qt4
[08:14] <Sime> a more polished edgy.
[08:16] <sebas> Some fixing in userconfig I think, and some powermanager work together with Lure
[08:17] <Sime> cool. I read about some of that in the KDE digest thingy.
[08:17] <Sime> sebas: how late does that KDE-NL thing start on saturday?
[08:17] <Lure> yes, I still want to do one config file change (keyword for lid action) and then I think we could release it as 0.7.1
[08:17] <sebas> 1300
[08:17] <Lure> lots of bug fixes and some new features
[08:18] <Sime> sebas: same ol' place?
[08:18] <sebas> Sime: Yes
[08:18] <sebas> Dorpsschuur
[08:26] <Riddell> sebas: mm, that's a point, it should know about upstart I guess
[08:26] <Riddell> sebas: any idea what the gnome thing is doing?
[08:26] <sebas> Nope, no idea.
[08:27] <Riddell> I'll ask scott next week in oslo
[08:27] <sebas> It might be that the whole concept of serviceconfig must be redone
[08:27] <sebas> Cool
[08:27] <Riddell> we should also look at getting wineconfig in a state that it can be used
[08:30] <Sime> Riddell: true. But time is a problem (=> some many things to do, so little time)
[08:35] <Riddell> yes indeed
[08:35] <Riddell> is the wineconfig author still around?
[08:35] <sebas> Dunno, but I've fixed wineconfig enough that it works for me.
[08:35] <sebas> I'm not aware of other problems though.
[08:37] <Sime> it really just needs greater testing.
[08:37] <Riddell> I'll take a look at it then
[08:37] <Riddell> does it warn the user when wine isn't installed?
[08:37] <sebas> Not sure
[08:37] <sebas> Is it installed with guidance by default?
[08:37] <sebas> I mean with the packages?
[08:38] <Riddell> no
[08:38] <sebas> If it's a separate package, it could just depend on wine.
[08:38] <sebas> Why confused by the way?
[08:39] <Riddell> well, why didn't he send an article when I asked for one, not once I've already written one.  I'd rather not spend the time editing it twice
[08:39] <Riddell> I think if it was a separate package it would never get installed by anyone
[08:44] <Lure> Riddell: separate package would allow us to make it recommends and remove if wine is not used
[08:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72233 in kde-guidance "Unable to remove powermanager w/o making displayconfig-restore unuseable" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/72233
[08:46] <Lure> kwwii: btw, any time to look in missing ac-adapter icon for guidance? would be great if we can get it in next release...
[10:49] <ryanakca> imbrandon: Failed to fetch http://imbrandon.com/packages/dists/feisty/Release Unable to find expected entry  amarok/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[11:02] <ryanakca> Riddell: is rosegarden being packaged/packaged?
[11:03] <ryanakca> nevermind :)
[11:11] <Riddell> it's about 6 years old
[11:25] <Tonio__> Mez: ping ?
[11:27] <Tonio__> Hidden=trueX-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=desktop_extragear-pim_kdebluetooth
[11:27] <Tonio__> Riddell: this ubuntu hack is pain really...........
[11:27] <Tonio__> still broken in kdebluetooth
[11:28] <Tonio__> Riddell: when exactly is that applied ?
[11:28] <Tonio__> I'll probably try to fix in rules instead of a patch...
[11:29] <Tonio__> hey great news, mbiebl is patching knm to enable, disable autostart, cool :)
[11:40] <Tonio__> Riddell: I'm testing that new experimental patch from mbiebl
[11:41] <Tonio__> Riddell: if that work we may consider a backport to edgy, as the problem affects it too
[12:05] <Tonio__> including the crappy kwallet thing
[12:10] <Tonio__> Riddell: what are the kaffeine header files usefull for ?