=== bronson [n=bronson@adsl-75-36-145-166.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kamikaze [n=kamikaze@crj95-1-82-229-70-4.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] re all [12:37] i have somme question [12:37] i would like to use with ubuntu 6.10 my dongle usb wifi wg111 v2 === kamikaze is now known as kamikaze064 [12:38] re all [12:38] there is someone [12:38] on the channel [12:38] ? [12:39] kamikaze064: this isn't a support channel, try #ubuntu or http://www.ubuntu.com/support [12:39] ok [12:39] thanks [12:39] kamikaze064: FYI, you'll have to use ndiswrapper for that. but see #ubuntu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@30.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [n=gman@169.222.9.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sgithens [n=sgithens@c-71-201-56-4.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.2.80.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-108-060.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [n=james@169.222.11.234] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fernando__ [n=fernando@189.0.149.136] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180064162.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:59] I'm thinking of making a backport of gstreamer0.10.11 to edgy... does anyone here have any major concerns ? [01:59] (this is to backport jokosher) === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@169.222.10.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pounk [n=pounk@ip216-239-78-51.vif.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio__ [n=tonio@42.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Flawless [n=chrivers@zeus.sikkerhed.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Flawless [n=chrivers@zeus.sikkerhed.org] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d54C0EE14.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [n=james@169.222.11.234] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm15.omega18.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@169.222.10.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:19] Mez: it's used by an awful lot of other packages [03:19] mdz: I know that - but I've spoken to the gstreamer guys and basically their respone was [03:19] "well we all use it - and if it doesnt work - we've done something wrong" [03:20] it's a point version change, and the API hasnt changed... [03:20] Mez: they use it on edgy? [03:20] mdz: yeah [03:20] 0.10.11 on edgy [03:20] oh, that's encouraging then [03:20] indeed :D [03:20] I mean - everythings backporting fine [03:21] the main problem i see is python-gstreamer0.10 - which i'm going to test with serpentine etc === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-94-128.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:22] but apparently, the gstreamer devs are using 0.10.11 on edgy with no adverse effets (in fact - htye'vepurposely coded it to make sure that it isnt a problem) === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === persia [n=persia@p3159-ipbf1401marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === persia [n=persia@p3159-ipbf1401marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === vinboy [n=vinboy@125-236-158-217.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:37] Mez: the "purposely coded it to make sure that it isnt a problem" is imho a rather silly argument in se. I can think of only one project that's silly enough to introduce new or destablizing features in stable releases (the linux kernel :P), but most projects try to avoid introducing bugs. The thing with bugs is that most of them are created by accident. ;) === jdong__ [n=jdong@d192-24-149-138.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:38] but the argument about the developers using it theirselves IS a pretty good one though ;) === infinity_ [n=adconrad@cerberus.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:39] Chipzz, lol [03:39] well I'm currently uploading locally backported debs ;) [03:41] but I doubt the kernel matters a lot for the vast majority of users (those with not bleeding new hardware) anyway :) [03:42] both of my laptops happened to work out of the box anyway (except for the nvidia/suspend crap), and little has changed since I installed them (both initially breezy installs) [03:43] only thing that did change for me was a fix in ipw2[12] 00 drivers that made rmmod'ing/modprobing the drivers on iwconfig essid unnecesary :) [03:49] hmm [03:51] how can I determine more or less the number of milestones released per year? === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-18-234.col.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fran6co [n=fran6co@24-190-114-200.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [n=gman@169.222.9.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity [n=adconrad@cerberus.0c3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vinboy_ [n=vinboy@125-236-158-217.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger_ [n=tobias@p54A72B4A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.2.80.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === somerville32_ [n=somervil@fctnnbsc15w-156034092135.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi_ [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [n=anthony@169.222.9.112] has joined #ubuntu-devel === somerville32_ [n=somervil@fctnnbsc15w-156034092135.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:09] I get a kernel panic when I upgrade network-manager :( === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono_ [n=jono@169.222.10.219] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi_ [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vinboy_ [n=vinboy@125-236-159-148.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:48] I hate the gnome control center, by the way. === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F743F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DB14C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Treenaks [n=martijn@thuis.foodfight.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcheu_ [n=marcheu@lattice.u-strasbg.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _ion [i=johan@kiviniemi.name] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mayday_jay [n=jason@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:54] rodarvus: ping? [06:54] rodarvus: bug 67487 seems to have a fix in upstream, maybe we could get it in feisty (and as it seems, edgy too)? [06:54] Malone bug 67487 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati "[regression] [rv280] black screen and console freeze when X starts - drm lockup" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67487 === `anthony [n=anthony@169.222.9.112] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bronson [n=bronson@adsl-75-36-145-166.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:09] tepsipakki: upstream should fix #20283 .. that's been in there since 2005-08 [07:10] at least [07:11] hmm, I don't suffer from that [07:12] but the bug I mentioned... marked a number of dri freezes as duplicates until I understood that there were two (possibly unrelated) issues :) [07:13] I used fglrx until now, but since the new version doesn't support radeon8500 anymore and tv-out isn't used so gave the free driver a go [07:13] tepsipakki: apparently, it's a video bios parsing issue.. but I haven't had a reply from upstream since october [07:14] there was 6.6.3 in early october, but no new releases since [07:14] exactly [07:14] every cool kid is now hacking nouveau, instead of fixing at [07:14] ati [07:15] and I thought I could run compiz :) === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.2.80.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:15] I can.. but my screen looks like this: http://foodfight.org/zut/ati-breakage.ogg [07:17] hmm, nothing there? [07:17] my ff shows a blank page [07:18] tepsipakki: it's an ogg/theora video [07:18] try totem [07:18] wget works [07:18] ok :) [07:19] eww.. funky :) [07:20] tepsipakki: yeah.. and it's not a hardware failure -- fglrx and The Other OS work [07:20] naturally [07:27] cjwatson: am I right that on cdrom installation, no matter what cdrom the machine is using the CD is mounted in /cdrom ? also.. do you have a good example on how to write preseedable stuff in d-i? [07:29] Hobbsee: ping? [07:30] fabbione: semipong? [07:30] Hobbsee: i met the debian maintainer for kommando a couple of days ago and he was wondering when are you going to merge the new release he did a couple of weeks ago... [07:30] Hobbsee: nothing more.. nothing less :) [07:31] fabbione: what was his nick? [07:31] Hobbsee: IRC nick.. pulsim or something like that... [07:32] fabbione: will look when i get off the phone. [07:32] thanks [07:32] :) === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-28-68.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@42.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === racarr [n=robb@pool-71-163-244-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@42.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:00] Mithrandir: you didn't accept glibc for -updates yet, did you? === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@122.0.229.222] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@101.Red-88-23-241.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:44] fabbione: you must be meaning pulsing === apokryphos [n=francis@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:54] Hobbsee: yes possibly.. [08:59] fabbione: done :) === Hobbsee forgot about it - it's not on MOM, and no one poked me about it [08:59] recently, anyway [09:01] Hobbsee: yes i noticed it was not on MoM [09:01] probably MoM is not running === Tonio_ [n=tonio@42.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:02] fabbione: likely. rather stupid, that === Hobbsee should have poked scott over that yesterday, in person, probably. [09:02] Hobbsee: MoM needs love once in a while [09:04] doko: is there any chance that you can give me info about #78968 ? === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F76F15.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:09] good morning [09:11] <_ion> Hi [09:11] morning === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:17] cjwatson: ping regarding backports === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:22] fabbione: no, I haven't yet. [09:23] Mithrandir: ok thanks. [09:27] Mithrandir, unless you know about the backports process? [09:28] Mez: if you can phrase a question, I can try to answer it. [09:29] Mithrandir, 2 questions [09:29] 1) is it possible to backport already superceded packages from feisty to edgy [09:29] 2) do backports currently buld against backports [09:30] no and no, ttbomk. [09:30] hmm, or maybe they're built against backports. [09:30] I rememebr there was a rather large debate about it ;) [09:30] but in general, I'll turn down requests to backport important libraries and such. [09:31] Mithrandir, does that include gstreamer ? === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:31] Mez: I would need to decide on that. I'm not sure. [09:32] Mithrandir, fair enough [09:32] well the discussion is on ubuntu-devel, unless you want me to CC you ? [09:32] nah, I can go look at it. [09:32] just haven't really had time for email lately. Too much archive administration work. [09:32] kk... well am writing a nice email right now [09:33] Mez: please don't backport the cvs version of base [09:34] dholbach... well, I'm poking people right now... [09:34] we *might* be able to get 0.10.11 [09:34] (not CVS) === Zdra [n=zdra@159.30-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:35] hmhm [09:35] dholbach, CC'd [09:38] is ubuntu-devel restricted now ? [09:38] (the mailing list) === Tonio_ [n=tonio@42.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:40] yes. [09:40] as you'd know if you'd read ubuntu-devel-announce. :-P [09:41] Mithrandir, had my mail server bouncing emails for 2 months [09:41] Mithrandir, I'm just wondering why it's letting in my "non-ubuntu" email address [09:41] I guess it uses LP (or emails were harvested from there) === Seeker` [n=cjo20@ip-62-105-182-26.dsl.twang.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:43] act [09:44] bah, needs a / :/ === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === webben [n=benjamin@91.84.42.225] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:53] fabbione: /cdrom> correct [09:54] fabbione: er, nearly any bit of d-i is a reasonable example of how to do preseeding in its own way [09:55] fabbione: just avoid doing db_set without first checking if db_fget $question seen returns false === Seeker` [n=cjo20@ip-62-105-182-26.dsl.twang.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:56] Mez: it uses LP, but it's hand-moderated anyway [09:56] rather than just rejecting [09:56] AFAIK backports builds against backports, but Adam Conrad would be the authoritative reference for that [09:57] morning cjwatson [09:58] cjwatson: ok thanks. [09:58] cjwatson: if not, backporting libraries wouldn't make much sense, especially not if the new libs had a new soname. [10:03] what does ubuntu uses to parse SVG? is there some reason Cairo's libsvg wasn't needed, or even included in the repositories? [10:03] Mithrandir: right [10:03] that's this thing: http://cairographics.org/libsvg [10:04] cjwatson, so no chance of building against stuff thats already been superceded in feisty ?> === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:05] webben: I think we generally use librsvg from GNOME [10:05] hey BenC [10:05] Mez: well, it could be done if necessary, but our standard backport tool doesn't support it [10:05] yo [10:05] hey BenC [10:05] cjwatson, ah thanks [10:05] I'd be a bit concerned about doing that since obviously fixing bugs is going to be a pain [10:05] hey dholbach [10:06] dholbach, did the 0.10.11 (non CVS) version cause those problems for you [10:06] webben: (not sure what Kubuntu uses) [10:06] cjwatson, I was just off to find out, thanks :) [10:06] Mez: I'm just asking the folks in #gstreamer what could cause this [10:06] cjwatson, I see your point, but as far as I'm concerned, I'd be happy, it builds quire nicely... however, daniel pointed out some issues with the current feisty version [10:06] Mez: I don't know what's causing the problems [10:07] dholbach, I saw :D [10:08] dholbach, if it isn't the new gstreamer, would your opinion on backporting it change ? [10:09] Mez: you asked me for my opinion - I wouldn't backport anything until jokosher worked fine for me - because 0.1 *works fine* on edgy right now - I wouldn't like to mess it up [10:10] dholbach, fair opinion :D [10:10] and since gstreamer affects a lot more applications than jokosher, I'd be extra careful === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-135-240.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:10] dholbach, hence why I'm doing a lot of testing :D and why I'm consulting with gstreamer devs, and asking lots of people rather than just syaing [10:11] "yeah, works fine, backport it" [10:11] as I said, I'm happy rto just host it in my own apt-repo :D === Zdra [n=zdra@168.181-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@168.181-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez adds a huge warning === vinboy [n=vinboy@125-236-159-148.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-135-240.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:25] synaptic crashes when I try to lock packages [10:25] I think it's a know bug [10:25] And what's the status of amd64 bootsplash? It's still grey... === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bmon [n=monnahan@63.Red-83-54-9.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:33] that reminds me, I should upload usplash [10:33] not sure whether amd64 is fixed in there, but it can't hurt (much!) to try [10:34] I know the fix is known, but it's not clear to me whether it's been checked in === kwwii [n=kwwii@p54955A61.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === palski [n=palski@193.64.31.143] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:42] ok [10:42] mjg59 would know for sure === jinty [n=jinty@196.207.32.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:52] Mithrandir: around? [10:52] seb128: You sent me a contentless ping. This is a contentless pong. Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around. [10:54] Mithrandir: I've uploaded a new tracker with fixed debian/copyright, the orig tarball has still no LGPL text though, is that ok if that will be fixed with next upstream version? Or should I repackage the orig with a COPYING.LIB? Or better to wait for next version? [10:54] Mithrandir, where did you get the contentless ping script from? [10:54] does usplash support svg pictures? In UWN #8 it was reported to do so, but looking at the code it isn't clear to me [10:54] s/pictures/artwork/ [10:55] Mez: he wrote it; http://err.no/personal/blog/tech/2006-10-10-12-05_contentless_pings.html and there's an x-chat port somewhere. [10:55] Mez: he wrote it I think [10:55] seb128, sweet :P I know lots of people who wnat that [10:56] Mez: I wrote it. [10:57] seb128: Please repackage the orig.tar.gz. [10:57] Mithrandir, you should release it [10:57] Mithrandir: ok, please reject the upload I just did then [10:57] Mez: i gave you a link. [10:57] neuralis, I'm blind today [10:58] Mez: http://err.no/src/contentless_ping.pl you mean? [10:58] seb128: will do. [10:59] Mithrandir, indeed === Mez pokes it to work for other things [10:59] seb128: sorry about having to be so picky, but licences are serious business. [11:00] Mithrandir: no problem, I don't like licences problems much but I totally understand ;) [11:01] dholbach: colorblind looks interesting. :-) [11:02] Mithrandir: interesting as in how? [11:03] dholbach: as in I am red-green colour blind and if I can run something which turns problematic combinations into nonproblematic ones, that'd be useful. === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-01ce9108c3d5d170] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:04] dholbach: I don't know if anything uses it yet, but I imagine what a theme engine using it could do.. [11:04] Mithrandir: gnome-mag makes use of it already and we'd like to build it with it - but it's just experimental parts of it that are unfortunately not exposed to the user [11:04] Mithrandir: upstream is very responsive and a very nice guy - so if you have crazy ideas, I'm sure he'd listen [11:07] Mithrandir: gracias for reviewing it [11:08] dholbach: np, simple package. === geser [n=michael@ubuntu/member/geser] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:11] Mithrandir: fixed tracker uploaded === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:14] seb128: great, I'll get to it soon [11:15] Mithrandir: thank you === vinboy [n=vinboy@125-236-159-148.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-devel === geser_ [n=michael@dialin109130.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-135-240.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cjwatson discovers http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grub/2006-07/msg00037.html [11:38] cjwatson: aren't intel macs supposed to be getting grub2? [11:39] well, that had been the plan, but I found out that the state of grub on Intel Macs was much better than I'd previously thought [11:40] if this patch works, that should be about it [11:40] don't mind switching to grub2 later if it also works, but this is most expedient [11:42] NEAT [11:42] it works [11:42] ok, cool [11:43] so theoretically gptsync probably isn't even needed, but that's a problem for another day === iceman [n=iceman@cable-87-244-154-165.upc.chello.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-92.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:54] does it REALLY matter if something doesnt have man pages in the package === geser [n=michael@ubuntu/member/geser] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:54] <_ion> Usually yes. [11:55] this thing doesnt come with man pages [11:55] has no --help output [11:55] has nothing [11:55] oh wait [11:55] it has a html filr === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:57] whatever you do, don't override that lintian warning. If you don't want to write a man page, then just upload it with the lintian warning still there. === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:58] cjwatson, no problem - will it be rejected if theres no man pages ? [11:58] no [11:58] not by us anyway [11:58] it's still a bug though [11:58] cjwatson, I know - it's a major PITA though [11:59] none of the commands take command line arguments [11:59] *shrug* [11:59] lol :D [11:59] Debian's view has always been, "We'd prefer if it had manual pages, but it doesn't require them." [11:59] I hate programs like that [11:59] <_ion> Well, the commands probably *do* something. [11:59] <_ion> How about explaining it in the man pages? :-) [11:59] I agree with BenC, too, for what it's worth. [11:59] I'm not really interested in how much of a pain it is - I just want the warning not to be overridden, because people are picking up that idea from somewhere and it's wrong [11:59] with the exception of things like cat, programs should produce a usage with no args [11:59] _ion, if i could write man ages, I would [12:00] Mez: *roff isn't hard. :-) [12:00] BenC, I agree :D [12:00] it's a pity nobody's bothered to write pages and pages of documentation on how to write man pages, isn't it? [12:00] and example files and stuff [12:00] cjwatson: File a bug :) [12:00] cjwatson: Geez, bitter much? :-P [12:00] BenC: (I have written such documentation, personally) [12:00] cjwatson, lol :P I f I could only find that copy of LXF where they taught you how to write them [12:00] cjwatson: yeah, man(7) doesn't exist. [12:01] or /usr/share/doc/man-db/examples/ [12:01] cjwatson: It's part of Debian's stuff isn't it? [12:01] they're all figments of your imagination [12:01] Ahhh, now I remember that cjwatson is the man-db maintainer. [12:01] BenC: yeah, I maintain man-db [12:01] cjwatson: ick...sorry to hear that :) === vinboy_ [n=vinboy@125-236-159-148.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez cries and runs away [12:02] learn one thing at a time and try to change it [12:02] hey, I like it [12:02] I'm still learning english [12:03] Mez: groff is easier than english...so I've heard :) [12:03] BenC, but i've always been taught to learn one thing at a time [12:03] dholbach: for your decibel upload, you didn't really add a copy of the GPL to the upload, did you? Or am I blind? [12:03] Mithrandir: I added it to debian/ iirc [12:04] Mez: If that's the case, you'd never learn packaging, which teaches multiple concepts at once. [12:04] dholbach: oh, confirmed, I'm blind [12:04] and i REALLY dont want to be spouting .TH GREETING .SH hello [12:04] *phew* I questioned MY sanity === robb_ [n=robb@pool-71-163-244-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:04] StevenK, I see pacakging as one thing [12:04] lol === Mez is actually learning stuff for work atm [12:06] cjwatson, is it ok to override [12:06] E: nostromo: maintainer-script-calls-init-script-directly postinst:24 [12:06] Mez: Use invoke-rc.d [12:06] StevenK, I know - I do [12:07] you should use lintian-info to find out more [12:07] cjwatson: in my case - I do the following [12:07] http://rafb.net/p/6eAQFO44.html === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-28-223.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:07] (check for invoke-rc.d and f it's not there, call /etc/init.d [12:07] it is not OK to override messages from lintian unless it is a special case that isn't worth hardcoding in lintian [12:08] Mez: why are you trying to restart udev? [12:08] if you use invoke-rc.d when it's available, that's fine and you can override the message - but as Mithrandir says [12:08] use dh_installudev instead [12:08] Mithrandir, because I'm installing udev rules [12:08] cjwatson, never come across that one [12:08] you have now [12:08] you don't need to restart udev in Ubuntu, but do in Debian [12:08] Mez: yes, and? udev watches its rules directory and reloads on the fly. [12:09] dh_installudev does the right thing [12:09] cjwatson: that's because the udev policy in Debian is crack. :-) [12:09] Mithrandir, it didnt for me ;) [12:09] then you've done it wrong [12:09] or there is a udev bug [12:09] Mez: if you install files directly to the rules directory, it does. [12:09] in any case you should not restart udev in Ubuntu [12:09] if you aren't using dh_installudev, you've almost certainly got it wrong. There are several subtleties. [12:10] cjwatson, cool :D thanks for pointing that one to me :D [12:10] you're welcome [12:10] hmm, actually dh_installudev doesn't seem to restart udev in Debian [12:11] so if I remember correctly and that's still needed there, you'll have to take care of that in packages intended for Debian users [12:11] I'd call that a bug in dh_installudev in Debian, then. [12:11] probably ... [12:12] so - should i keep the postinst or not ? === geser_ [n=michael@dialin107204.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:12] not, for Ubuntu [12:13] cjwatson, cool === coyctecm [n=niko@a84-231-89-129.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:14] cjwatson: you going to be active for the next ... say ... 4 hours or so? (not at all urgent) [12:17] mneptok: yeah [12:21] cjwatson: cool. i'll ping you from home in a bit re: bug consolidation and closure === trickie [n=nick@basesoft.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:22] mneptok: ok === iceman [n=iceman@cable-87-244-154-165.upc.chello.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel === michiel_ [n=michiel@80.112.194.210] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:46] doko, good morning. around? [12:49] jwendell: he's off to meet a python guy - he'll be back in an hour or two or something [12:50] dholbach, do you know if there is any firefox packager here? === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-64.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEDE9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:50] jwendell: at the moment we're a bit maintainerless [12:50] we have a team ... [12:51] jwendell: iwj took care of that a while ago, the last uploads were done by keescook and doko [12:51] its just forming ... === alaisd [n=WiseMonk@is.da-bom.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F71DF2.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gicmo [n=gicmo@p5491D983.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:58] ooo! an alaisd. :) [12:58] lunch time, bbl === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] am i allowed to print to STDOUT? === lbm [n=lbm@0x555373ab.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:02] <_ion> Nope, the new legislation forbids it. If you're caught, your name will be added to the list of people who have done that, and you have to report yourself to neighbours and schools near your house. [01:03] aw well, forking to the background then [01:05] dholbach, firefox is a monster... debian diff does not reside in debian dir only... === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+o Hobbsee] by ChanServ === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-4-157.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:17] jwendell: that is true of many packages and is perfectly standard practice === mode/#ubuntu-devel [-o Hobbsee] by ChanServ === segfault [i=segfault@core-dumped.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:21] cjwatson, yes, i understand, i'm talking this because i'm a novice in debian builds... === Tonio_ [n=tonio@42.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy_ [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:28] is there any way for lsdiff work on .diff.gz? or does it only work on unzipped files? === pochu [n=Pochu@198.Red-83-32-163.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:30] sorry, got the answer (-z) === vinboy__ [n=vinboy@125-236-159-148.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-6-119.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-6-119.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:04] ciao * === robb_ [n=robb@pool-71-163-244-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:07] NEW empty. === Mithrandir celebrates [02:07] Mithrandir: *\o/* === StevenK promptly uploads a bunch of new things === StevenK ducks [02:08] Mithrandir: woot!!! [02:10] Mithrandir, what about enabling me to work again by finally promoting pulse ? [02:10] now that you dont ahve anything to do anymore :P === jrib [n=jasonr@c-24-63-70-115.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mako_ [n=mako@bork.hampshire.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:44] mdke: about? === stdin [n=tez@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:48] dholbach, help me: i want to test a fix for firefox; i've done apt-get source. I want to modify configure.in, which was already modified by debian diff [02:48] dholbach, how to do this? === Seeker` [n=cjo20@ip-62-105-182-26.dsl.twang.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === mako [n=mako@bork.hampshire.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xerxas [n=r67894@AGrenoble-257-1-1-102.w86-193.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=ubuntu@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xerxas_ [n=r67894@AGrenoble-257-1-1-102.w86-193.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:02] sfllaw: you're aware that bash is Essential and dependencies on it are not needed? [03:02] sfllaw: re https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oprofile/+bug/69455 [03:02] Malone bug 69455 in oprofile "[SRU] for oprofile, edgy-updates: bashism in oprofile's opcontrol script prevents user from setting any events" [Unknown,Fix released] [03:04] jwendell: just change configure.in again - afaik firefox doesn't use a patchsystem [03:04] jwendell: if you change configure.in just make sure you run autoconf again - and remove autom4te.cache/ - it shouldn't show up in the diff === highvoltage [n=jaagaan@johannesleroux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:06] crimsun: I've rejected your updated oprofile upload to edgy-proposed; reasoning is in the bug report. === twiligh1 [n=twilight@d83-184-111-19.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez_ [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === twiligh1 [n=twilight@d83-184-111-19.cust.tele2.it] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:11] Mithrandir: True. I have no idea what I was thinking at the time. [03:11] sfllaw: I suspect it was your evil twin or something. :-) [03:12] Mithrandir: For some crazy reason, I thought we had made dash Essential. [03:13] sfllaw: dash is priority: required === sahin_h [n=ezaz@dsl5402AB37.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:15] Mithrandir: Yeah, I looked at it again. === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d54C0EE14.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pochu [n=Pochu@198.Red-83-32-163.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:18] doko: any particular reason why you have uploaded two versions of eclipse to edgy-proposed, with the same version number? [03:18] doko: also, if you want archive admins to take action on requests, subscribing ubuntu-archive is a good plan. :-) [03:18] <\sh> who has a clue about the sparc buildds? :) [03:18] Mithrandir: hmm, maybe I forgot that I did upload? ;-) [03:19] doko: 'k, they're supposed to be the same? [03:19] \sh: fabbione probably [03:19] \sh: what are you wondering about? [03:19] Mithrandir: yes [03:20] doko: I'll reject the oldest one, then. [03:20] Mithrandir: ok [03:21] <\sh> fabbione: if you have time could you check this buildlog: http://librarian.launchpad.net/5776033/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-sparc.kmymoney2_0.8.5-1build1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz and tell me what could I do to prevent the bus error? :) === segfault [i=segfault@core-dumped.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:24] \sh: that's probably fixed in a recent gs upload, I'll give it back and see if it works. [03:24] \sh: but it fails on ppc too [03:24] <\sh> Mithrandir:yes, broken build-deps [03:24] <\sh> Mithrandir:on ppc that is [03:24] yeah, just retried it [03:25] <\sh> Mithrandir:cool thx :) === j_ack [n=rudi@p508DB613.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:29] Mithrandir: thanks. I wasn't quite sure how to progress given the conflicting info between Policy and Simon's comment. Thanks for clarifying. [03:30] crimsun: np. [03:32] crimsun: Yeah, I was just crazy. [03:32] crimsun: Feel free to look me up on IRC if that happens. === titfortat [n=josh@24.115.218.54.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@218.195-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548AF4FD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@162.Red-81-39-32.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:01] cjwatson: many thanks for your hard work clearing backports queue! [04:02] you're welcome [04:03] sorry it was overdue === wasabi [n=jhaltom@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:10] Mithrandir: sorry about my idiotic NEW upgrades. I've been mentally out to lunch the last few weeks. [04:10] s/upgrades/uploads/ [04:10] see, i can't even type what i'm thinking. === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:15] Heya === nags [n=nags@59.144.54.41] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=martin@68-155-114-200.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel === quail_linux [n=quail@unaffiliated/quaillinux/x-000001] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:44] heno: should we add that tag to the clue files? [04:45] dholbach: I think so, yes [04:45] will it be optional? [04:45] hmhmmh, that'd mean reading all packages/ files first [04:45] i don't have a solid opinion yet :) [04:46] me neither [04:46] what was the use case for it again? local files for testing out stuff? [04:47] what about this: if no special -r flag (or whatever it will be) is used, we rely on .info files, else the xml tag will be considered [04:47] yeah exactly [04:47] it's useful if you tell bh to use that file, while if you only give it the package name then the clue file should have that name imo [04:48] yep [04:48] like that you can also 'accumulate' say evolution clues over a bunch of files (including the 'officially packaged' ones) [04:48] right [04:49] ok: so only read all specificied clue files, if -r is used, then rely on [04:49] i'll let bugxml -s add that tag also [04:49] (we had to rename -sa) [04:49] the question is should bugxml create the official ones or secondary ones? [04:50] you can always cut and paste the content to the official one later [04:50] it shouldn't matter... bugxml can't write to /usr/share/bughelper/packages anyway - or did I overlook something? [04:51] you're right. would the local files contain only one package or could I have my_clues.info with 5-6 packages, each identified by the source tag? [04:52] dholbach: ^ [04:52] i'd prefer to have them separated, but we can also agreggate them if need be === Tonio__ [n=tonio@42.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:53] I guess we are getting into areas of personal workflow taste. How hard is it to change this stuff later [04:53] once we'll have masses of people committing to ./bughelper/packages we'll also have less conflicts if we don't sum up all clues to one big xml file [04:53] (point being that we should pick a route and go with it) [04:53] I don't think it's going to be hard - it'll just mean that we have to parse one giant file instead of being able to pinpoint to one single file based on the source package name [04:54] oh, I wasn't suggesting the official clues be all in one file, just my personal ones [04:54] we'd have to change the xml format a bit [04:55] i'll think about it... as you said: it's good to decide this early [04:55] yeah, don't bother. Better to just make a directory and stick secondary files in there (locally) with the same name as the official [04:56] I think that'd fit well into the spec like discussion we had yesterday about OrganisingClueFiles [04:56] ~./bughelper/clues [04:56] heno: I think it's easier to do that, because bugxml -s already does that for you - it adds clues to packages/.info [04:57] right [04:57] we could use BUGHELPER_LOCAL_CLUES_DIR :-) [04:57] i'll write something up in BugHelper/Dev in a bit [04:57] now that I reviewed all patches and wait for people to reply [04:58] cool [04:58] https://launchpad.net/bughelper/+milestone/0.1 looks quite good, if you ask me [04:59] I think I just fixed 79150 too [05:00] heno: if you have a good test case for bug 79150 let me know - I'm just trying -A ubiquity [05:00] Malone bug 79150 in bughelper "Don't dupe on multiple finds" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79150 [05:02] dholbach: a large number of ubiquity bugs do this. the traceback is in the original post and is repeated in the syslog === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:04] dholbach: this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/52228 would do it if you searched on File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/ubiquity/frontend/kde-ui.py", line 524, in progress_loop [05:04] Malone bug 52228 in ubiquity "Installer crashed" [Medium,Confirmed] [05:04] say === binary2k2 [n=tez@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:07] heno: ok, thanks === BenC [n=bcollins@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vuntz [n=vuntz@fennas.vuntz.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:32] mdke: we need to decide if by-hand authentication for coc signing is important enough that we want to implement it.. i get maybe one request a month.. maybe two, the vast majority of those people end up making keys anyway when i suggest it [05:32] mdke: so i sort of think it's probably not worth the trouble === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stdin [n=tez@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:48] iwj: around? how does the gnome-app-install codec API works? there is no --help nor manpage for it [05:49]