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| mdke | mpt: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/ | 01:16 |
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| mdke | mpt: pretty rough stuff, especially the MAC, but maybe helpful | 01:17 |
| mpt | mdke, neat | 01:21 |
| mpt | Did the people who wrote the Switching From Windows guide know about this? :-] | 01:22 |
| mpt | ugh, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromWindows#head-328622217d9484960c5c758f3387cbdd61dabc2b is bad though | 01:22 |
| mdke | mpt: same author, broadly, I think | 01:23 |
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| mdke | mpt: he's doing some exams at the moment and hopefully will get increasingly involved after they finish | 01:25 |
| mpt | Does he have a name? :-) | 01:26 |
| tonyyarusso | Better not be another Matthew :P | 01:26 |
| mdke | mpt: Phil Bull | 01:27 |
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| mpt | ah, ok | 01:32 |
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| coreyt | Can we get a "Todo" Wiki for the documentation team :) | 04:59 |
| coreyt | Hell a bug system would be great as well :) | 05:00 |
| coreyt | Then it could be prioritized and people can assign themselves problems to be fixed. | 05:00 |
| somerville32 | Just file a bug | 05:06 |
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| LaserJock | coreyt: we have a todo list and you can a file bugs against the ubuntu-doc product | 06:21 |
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| mdke | coreyt: both of those exist already | 09:42 |
| mdke | ah, LaserJock mentioned that | 09:42 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 09:43 |
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| jenda | mdke: ping | 10:42 |
| mdke | jenda: (In case I'm not around at the moment, please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I get back) | 10:42 |
| jenda | meh :) | 10:42 |
| jenda | mdke: The Czech LoCo might be overdubbing them screencasts, but needs a place to put them. | 10:43 |
| jenda | mdke: any chance they could be hosted on a docteam server? | 10:43 |
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| popey | we could put them in the same place I guess | 11:22 |
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| willvdl | how often is doc.u.c built? | 11:38 |
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| mdke | jenda: we might be able to think of a solution involving the screencast site | 07:27 |
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| popey | we could have a naming convention which invoved using the two letter country codes for the langauge of the text and the langauge of the voice over | 08:50 |
| popey | because in this case they will be different | 08:50 |
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| mdke | popey: you mean accept english videos with localised voice-overs only? | 09:18 |
| mdke | sounds good. I think we could just use the language code of the voice over for that. Then if someone localised the video too, it can replace it | 09:18 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: oh my gosh, one of my LP bugs just got set to "Fix Committed" :-) | 09:29 |
| mdke | LaserJock: I had three today :) fix-it-friday | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | mdke: and it only took 9 months :-) | 09:33 |
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| LaserJock | maybe I should go poke #launchpad for another one | 09:35 |
| LaserJock | or maybe that's just being greedy | 09:35 |
| mdke | i whinged a bit last night and the result was that salgado fixed 3 of my bugs today | 09:36 |
| LaserJock | wow, nice | 09:37 |
| mdke | if you have any easy bugs, get them to do them for a fix it friday | 09:37 |
| paulproteus|jhu | popey, BTW, it would be interesting to record keystrokes and mouse presses in a script so that way an English Ubuntu user could make a screencast and the Hungarian guy could just replay the keystroke recording and make a fresh screencast. | 09:53 |
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| jenda | mdke: sounds great :) | 10:45 |
| mdke | jenda: for future things though, Canonical provides hosting for locoteams | 10:47 |
| jenda | great. | 10:48 |
| jenda | mdke: our locoteam is in the process of migrating. | 10:48 |
| jenda | (to Canonical hosting) | 10:48 |
| mdke | ah | 10:48 |
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| mdke | that's the stuff | 11:21 |
| LaserJock | where's mdke and why has dholbach taken over his nick | 11:23 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 11:23 |
| mdke | we're bringings hugs to #ubuntu-doc | 11:23 |
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| LaserJock | shesh | 11:24 |
| LaserJock | my wife wonders about all you sometimes, "Why are they all huggy on there?" she asks | 11:24 |
| mdke | she follows? | 11:24 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: sometimes when I'm in bed she reads it | 11:25 |
| mdke | cheeky | 11:25 |
| Burgwork | jenda: how does one request hosting from Canonical? | 11:26 |
| Burgwork | I keep meaning to move Canada's to there | 11:26 |
| mdke | Burgwork: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoHosting | 11:26 |
| jenda | thanks mdke, now I don't have to admit I didn't know :) | 11:27 |
| Burgwork | mdke: thanks | 11:27 |
| mdke | the wiki knows all | 11:27 |
| LaserJock | yeah, scary | 11:28 |
| LaserJock | mdke: hmm, here's a translation question for you. Say I want some file translated, is there an easy way to put it up on Rosetta and just have people translate it for me? | 11:29 |
| mdke | LaserJock: do you have it in po format? | 11:30 |
| LaserJock | I can | 11:30 |
| mdke | *pot | 11:30 |
| mdke | you can upload the pot template to a product or distro source package | 11:30 |
| LaserJock | and then it's just a matter of getting translators aware or willing to do it? | 11:30 |
| mdke | yes | 11:31 |
| mdke | you can leave the permissions open, or assign translation groups to it (such as Ubuntu translators) | 11:31 |
| LaserJock | I'm going to have a set of .desktop and .directory files for Edubuntu | 11:31 |
| LaserJock | for dynamic menus | 11:31 |
| LaserJock | and the only negative thing is that they currently aren't translated | 11:32 |
| mdke | right | 11:32 |
| mdke | you could see how ubuntu/kubuntu do it | 11:32 |
| LaserJock | mdke: have you done a bzr branch of the sandbox branch of the repo? | 11:33 |
| LaserJock | I've noticed that since 0.13 bzr has gotten a lot faster | 11:34 |
| mdke | LaserJock: no. I was thinking that it would be a good weekend to learn how to use bzr | 11:34 |
| LaserJock | but I've been branching like forever | 11:34 |
| mdke | what does bzr branch do? | 11:34 |
| LaserJock | that creates a local branch | 11:35 |
| LaserJock | it's sort of like a co for svn | 11:35 |
| LaserJock | but it grabs the entire history | 11:35 |
| LaserJock | something must be wrong, I just stopped it at 52min. | 11:35 |
| mdke | there is no co? | 11:36 |
| LaserJock | there is | 11:36 |
| mdke | bloody hell, 52minutes? | 11:36 |
| LaserJock | yeah, something must be wrong | 11:36 |
| LaserJock | you can do bzr co | 11:36 |
| LaserJock | and it'll act like svn and just grab the last revision | 11:36 |
| mdke | and you can use it normally? | 11:37 |
| LaserJock | yeah, the made basically a svn emulation mode | 11:38 |
| LaserJock | *they | 11:38 |
| mdke | ok | 11:38 |
| mdke | and is our sandbox thing working as a centralised repository? | 11:39 |
| LaserJock | but it really shouldn't take 52min to branch :/ | 11:39 |
| mdke | well, it's a big repo | 11:39 |
| mdke | or maybe the whole repo isn't in the sandbox, dunno | 11:39 |
| LaserJock | well, anybody in the ubuntu-doc team can push to it | 11:39 |
| LaserJock | there are 3 branches on LP | 11:39 |
| mdke | and push is like svn commit? | 11:39 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 11:39 |
| LaserJock | see you when you do bzr commit, it's local | 11:40 |
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| LaserJock | so you can be working along locally | 11:40 |
| LaserJock | commiting as you go | 11:40 |
| LaserJock | so you don't lose track, etc. | 11:40 |
| mdke | but why do you need to commit locally if you're working locally already? how does that work | 11:40 |
| LaserJock | and can revert things | 11:40 |
| LaserJock | well, think of it this way, when we svn co, we can't do any version control without commiting to the repo, right? | 11:41 |
| mdke | well you can revert local changes | 11:41 |
| LaserJock | for instance, with the packaging guide, I sometimes lose what I'm doing because I'll be writing something over a period of days | 11:41 |
| LaserJock | well, in this case you wouldn't have to revert all the way back | 11:42 |
| LaserJock | because you're commiting locally | 11:42 |
| LaserJock | then, when you're ready to put things to the LP repo you can bzr publish | 11:43 |
| LaserJock | and that actually pushes all your local commits to the repo | 11:43 |
| mdke | ok | 11:43 |
| mdke | what's the difference between publish and push? | 11:43 |
| LaserJock | umm, I think I just used it wrong | 11:44 |
| LaserJock | I think to publish your branch you use bzr push ;-) | 11:44 |
| mdke | ok | 11:44 |
| LaserJock | anyway, you don't *have* to do it this way | 11:44 |
| LaserJock | you can do it the svn way too | 11:45 |
| LaserJock | mdke: http://bazaar-vcs.org/Workflows is kinda helpful | 11:46 |
| mdke | I'm going to spend some time reading up | 11:46 |
| LaserJock | they seem to have really increased the speed lately, be sure to have at least 0.13 | 11:47 |
| mdke | what's in feisty? | 11:48 |
| mdke | 0.14:) | 11:48 |
| LaserJock | 0.13 | 11:48 |
| LaserJock | oh, maybe I haven't updated | 11:48 |
| mdke | 0.14~rc1-0ubuntu1 | 11:48 |
| LaserJock | I actually added the bzr repo to my sources.list | 11:48 |
| LaserJock | so I can get the latest on edgy | 11:48 |
| LaserJock | I figure they should know how to make a decent .deb ;-) | 11:49 |
| mdke | presumably | 11:50 |
| LaserJock | they really have made it quite flexable as far as workflow | 11:52 |
| mdke | it would be nice to move if it works well. | 11:52 |
| mdke | If you can checkout and work normally without getting the revision history, that will dispose of speed worries, won't it? | 11:52 |
| mdke | is this what I should get? https://launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/+branch/ubuntu-doc/trunk | 11:53 |
| LaserJock | that seems to be the most updated one | 11:54 |
| LaserJock | that automatically grabs from our svn | 11:54 |
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| mdke | I really don't understand the Fetch Phase 1/4 stuff | 11:55 |
| mdke | crazy | 11:55 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I think bzr checkout --lightweight is what you'd want for the svn-like thing | 11:57 |
| mdke | oh right, yeah, this isn't progressing much | 11:57 |
| LaserJock | I think a regular co grabs the history too so you can also make local commits as well | 11:58 |
| LaserJock | bzr is really powerful | 11:58 |
| LaserJock | but it's also got a lot of options | 11:58 |
| LaserJock | svn co, svn up, svn commit is really easy to do | 11:59 |
| mdke | ok, I'll try --lightweight | 11:59 |
| mdke | otherwise I'll leave this checkout thing overnight or something | 11:59 |
| === mdke races his pet tortoise against bzr | ||
| mdke | if it told me the files it was getting I think I'd feel more encouraged :) | 12:00 |
| LaserJock | eventually we could have a repo with branches for each of say generic, ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, edubuntu, common | 12:01 |
| mdke | that would be a shame, I think | 12:01 |
| LaserJock | I'm still far from understanding how all that works but it sounds cool | 12:02 |
| LaserJock | well, I'm not sure that it would be too bad | 12:02 |
| LaserJock | but I know what you mean | 12:02 |
| LaserJock | there's something to keeping everybody together | 12:02 |
| === mdke nods | ||
| LaserJock | but I think their branch repo thing could be a bit of an inbetween | 12:03 |
| mdke | so far it's downloaded 17 mb of .bzr and no files >_< | 12:04 |
| LaserJock | making it more modular, but still centralized | 12:04 |
| LaserJock | well, I think that's normal | 12:04 |
| mdke | with --lightweight? svn doesn't do that | 12:04 |
| mdke | does bzr just have one hidden folder in the top of the tree, rather than in all the subfolders? | 12:05 |
| LaserJock | yep | 12:05 |
| LaserJock | .bzr at the head holds everything | 12:05 |
| LaserJock | in fact, when you push you are just sending .bzr | 12:05 |
| mdke | I see | 12:05 |
| LaserJock | I cant take a branch | 12:05 |
| mdke | do you can't choose which subfolders to checkout, you have to checkout the whole branch? | 12:05 |
| LaserJock | that's what a branch is | 12:06 |
| LaserJock | I think of it as sort of smaller scale than a repo | 12:06 |
| LaserJock | so each branch should be a distinct "thing" | 12:06 |
| LaserJock | granted that model seems to apply better to software than docs | 12:07 |
| theCore | mdke: bzr download the whole .bzr directory, then unpack the last revision from it | 12:07 |
| theCore | downloads* | 12:07 |
| LaserJock | theCore: we are doing co --lightweight though | 12:07 |
| LaserJock | I gues it's just downloading the last revision to .bzr | 12:07 |
| theCore | LaserJock: same thing, except it only downloads the last revision, instead of all of them | 12:08 |
| LaserJock | mdke: ok, it took me 10m for --lightweight | 12:09 |
| LaserJock | hmm, our repo is just so big :/ | 12:09 |
| LaserJock | it's only 38MB though | 12:10 |
| LaserJock | 10min for 38MB is kinda ... | 12:10 |
| LaserJock | slow | 12:10 |
| theCore | bzr is indeed slow | 12:10 |
| theCore | but I don't know why | 12:11 |
| mdke | cool, mine is downloaded too | 12:11 |
| LaserJock | you should do a full bzr branch overnight to try that out | 12:11 |
| theCore | I wonder if it uses compression for checkouts | 12:11 |
| theCore | what is the docs branch's URL? | 12:12 |
| LaserJock | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/ubuntu-doc/trunk | 12:12 |
| theCore | thanks LaserJock | 12:12 |
| LaserJock | mdke: if you want to try pushing you' | 12:12 |
| LaserJock | you'll want to grab the sandbox branch | 12:12 |
| mdke | I can't use that one? | 12:13 |
| LaserJock | no, that one is read-only I think | 12:14 |
| mdke | is it the usual things like "bzr rm" and "bzr cp"? | 12:15 |
| LaserJock | I believe so | 12:15 |
| LaserJock | mdke: bzr help is pretty good | 12:16 |
| mdke | read the docs, you think? | 12:16 |
| mdke | surely not | 12:16 |
| LaserJock | bzr help commands gives you a list of commands | 12:16 |
| LaserJock | and bzr help <command> gives you more info | 12:16 |
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