=== mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:16] mpt: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/ [01:17] mpt: pretty rough stuff, especially the MAC, but maybe helpful [01:21] mdke, neat [01:22] Did the people who wrote the Switching From Windows guide know about this? :-] [01:22] ugh, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromWindows#head-328622217d9484960c5c758f3387cbdd61dabc2b is bad though [01:23] mpt: same author, broadly, I think === Admiral_Chicago [n=Freddy@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:25] mpt: he's doing some exams at the moment and hopefully will get increasingly involved after they finish [01:26] Does he have a name? :-) [01:26] Better not be another Matthew :P [01:27] mpt: Phil Bull === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:32] ah, ok === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc === omgponiezlol [n=Freddy@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === omgponiezlol is now known as Admiral_Chicago === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === david_corrales [n=david@ip247-10.ct.co.cr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-doc === somerville32_ [n=somervil@fctnnbsc15w-156034092135.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-doc === somerville32_ [n=somervil@fctnnbsc15w-156034092135.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:59] Can we get a "Todo" Wiki for the documentation team :) [05:00] Hell a bug system would be great as well :) [05:00] Then it could be prioritized and people can assign themselves problems to be fixed. [05:06] Just file a bug === corey_ [n=corey@pool-71-252-254-218.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === corey_ is now known as coreyt [06:21] coreyt: we have a todo list and you can a file bugs against the ubuntu-doc product === david_corrales [n=david@ip247-10.ct.co.cr] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Ex-Chat"] === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.119.224] has joined #ubuntu-doc === xipietotec [n=jackfros@194.115.109.66.static.dis.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === paulproteus [n=paulprot@pool-141-157-69-52.balt.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:42] coreyt: both of those exist already [09:42] ah, LaserJock mentioned that [09:43] ;-) === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@mail.foredil.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-135-240.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === finite9 [n=andrew@c-dec7e455.95-64-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-135-240.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan_ [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === joachim-n [n=joachim@ACCA5E0D.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan_ is now known as bhuvan [10:42] mdke: ping [10:42] jenda: (In case I'm not around at the moment, please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I get back) [10:42] meh :) [10:43] mdke: The Czech LoCo might be overdubbing them screencasts, but needs a place to put them. [10:43] mdke: any chance they could be hosted on a docteam server? === willvdl [n=will@196.207.32.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === finite9_ [n=andrew@c-dec7e455.95-64-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-doc === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.115.215] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:22] we could put them in the same place I guess === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-135-240.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:38] how often is doc.u.c built? === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.119.197] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Admiral_Chicago [n=Freddy@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-92.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-64.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEDE9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.115.125] has joined #ubuntu-doc === willvdl [n=will@196.207.32.235] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@mail.foredil.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === linuxphotogeek [n=zen_love@wt1.core.wireless.fsr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === linuxphotogeek [n=zen_love@wt1.core.wireless.fsr.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Ex-Chat"] === linuxphotogeek [n=zen_love@wt1.core.wireless.fsr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-doc === willvdl [n=will@196.207.32.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=jaagaan@johannesleroux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === joachim-n [n=joachim@ACC8B4EE.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === willvdl [n=will@196.207.32.235] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === UbuntuSt1ts [n=StatsBot@bl4-188-159.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-17-12.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-194.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === david_corrales [n=david@ip247-10.ct.co.cr] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:27] jenda: we might be able to think of a solution involving the screencast site === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-doc === paulproteus is now known as paulproteus|jhu [08:50] we could have a naming convention which invoved using the two letter country codes for the langauge of the text and the langauge of the voice over [08:50] because in this case they will be different === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ppp-97-91.25-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:18] popey: you mean accept english videos with localised voice-overs only? [09:18] sounds good. I think we could just use the language code of the voice over for that. Then if someone localised the video too, it can replace it === n1c0las [n=nicolas@nicolas.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:29] mdke: oh my gosh, one of my LP bugs just got set to "Fix Committed" :-) [09:31] LaserJock: I had three today :) fix-it-friday [09:33] mdke: and it only took 9 months :-) === mdke pats LaserJock [09:35] maybe I should go poke #launchpad for another one [09:35] or maybe that's just being greedy [09:36] i whinged a bit last night and the result was that salgado fixed 3 of my bugs today [09:37] wow, nice [09:37] if you have any easy bugs, get them to do them for a fix it friday [09:53] popey, BTW, it would be interesting to record keystrokes and mouse presses in a script so that way an English Ubuntu user could make a screencast and the Hungarian guy could just replay the keystroke recording and make a fresh screencast. === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-doc === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.115.129] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:45] mdke: sounds great :) [10:47] jenda: for future things though, Canonical provides hosting for locoteams [10:48] great. [10:48] mdke: our locoteam is in the process of migrating. [10:48] (to Canonical hosting) [10:48] ah === XiXaQ [n=joerlend@237-191.dsl.freewave.no] has joined #Ubuntu-doc === mdke hugs mpt === mpt hugs mdke [11:21] that's the stuff [11:23] where's mdke and why has dholbach taken over his nick [11:23] ;-) [11:23] we're bringings hugs to #ubuntu-doc === mdke hugs LaserJock too [11:24] shesh [11:24] my wife wonders about all you sometimes, "Why are they all huggy on there?" she asks [11:24] she follows? === Burgwork hugs LaserJock's wife === mdke hugs LaserJock's wife [11:25] mdke: sometimes when I'm in bed she reads it [11:25] cheeky [11:26] jenda: how does one request hosting from Canonical? [11:26] I keep meaning to move Canada's to there [11:26] Burgwork: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoHosting [11:27] thanks mdke, now I don't have to admit I didn't know :) [11:27] mdke: thanks [11:27] the wiki knows all [11:28] yeah, scary [11:29] mdke: hmm, here's a translation question for you. Say I want some file translated, is there an easy way to put it up on Rosetta and just have people translate it for me? [11:30] LaserJock: do you have it in po format? [11:30] I can [11:30] *pot [11:30] you can upload the pot template to a product or distro source package [11:30] and then it's just a matter of getting translators aware or willing to do it? [11:31] yes [11:31] you can leave the permissions open, or assign translation groups to it (such as Ubuntu translators) [11:31] I'm going to have a set of .desktop and .directory files for Edubuntu [11:31] for dynamic menus [11:32] and the only negative thing is that they currently aren't translated [11:32] right [11:32] you could see how ubuntu/kubuntu do it [11:33] mdke: have you done a bzr branch of the sandbox branch of the repo? [11:34] I've noticed that since 0.13 bzr has gotten a lot faster [11:34] LaserJock: no. I was thinking that it would be a good weekend to learn how to use bzr [11:34] but I've been branching like forever [11:34] what does bzr branch do? [11:35] that creates a local branch [11:35] it's sort of like a co for svn [11:35] but it grabs the entire history [11:35] something must be wrong, I just stopped it at 52min. [11:36] there is no co? [11:36] there is [11:36] bloody hell, 52minutes? [11:36] yeah, something must be wrong [11:36] you can do bzr co [11:36] and it'll act like svn and just grab the last revision [11:37] and you can use it normally? [11:38] yeah, the made basically a svn emulation mode [11:38] *they [11:38] ok [11:39] and is our sandbox thing working as a centralised repository? [11:39] but it really shouldn't take 52min to branch :/ [11:39] well, it's a big repo [11:39] or maybe the whole repo isn't in the sandbox, dunno [11:39] well, anybody in the ubuntu-doc team can push to it [11:39] there are 3 branches on LP [11:39] and push is like svn commit? [11:39] yeah [11:40] see you when you do bzr commit, it's local === mdke boggles [11:40] so you can be working along locally [11:40] commiting as you go [11:40] so you don't lose track, etc. [11:40] but why do you need to commit locally if you're working locally already? how does that work [11:40] and can revert things [11:41] well, think of it this way, when we svn co, we can't do any version control without commiting to the repo, right? [11:41] well you can revert local changes [11:41] for instance, with the packaging guide, I sometimes lose what I'm doing because I'll be writing something over a period of days [11:42] well, in this case you wouldn't have to revert all the way back [11:42] because you're commiting locally [11:43] then, when you're ready to put things to the LP repo you can bzr publish [11:43] and that actually pushes all your local commits to the repo [11:43] ok [11:43] what's the difference between publish and push? [11:44] umm, I think I just used it wrong [11:44] I think to publish your branch you use bzr push ;-) [11:44] ok [11:44] anyway, you don't *have* to do it this way [11:45] you can do it the svn way too [11:46] mdke: http://bazaar-vcs.org/Workflows is kinda helpful [11:46] I'm going to spend some time reading up [11:47] they seem to have really increased the speed lately, be sure to have at least 0.13 [11:48] what's in feisty? [11:48] 0.14:) [11:48] 0.13 [11:48] oh, maybe I haven't updated [11:48] 0.14~rc1-0ubuntu1 [11:48] I actually added the bzr repo to my sources.list [11:48] so I can get the latest on edgy [11:49] I figure they should know how to make a decent .deb ;-) [11:50] presumably [11:52] they really have made it quite flexable as far as workflow [11:52] it would be nice to move if it works well. [11:52] If you can checkout and work normally without getting the revision history, that will dispose of speed worries, won't it? [11:53] is this what I should get? https://launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/+branch/ubuntu-doc/trunk [11:54] that seems to be the most updated one [11:54] that automatically grabs from our svn === trappist [i=trappist@linuxkungfu.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:55] I really don't understand the Fetch Phase 1/4 stuff [11:55] crazy [11:57] mdke: I think bzr checkout --lightweight is what you'd want for the svn-like thing [11:57] oh right, yeah, this isn't progressing much [11:58] I think a regular co grabs the history too so you can also make local commits as well [11:58] bzr is really powerful [11:58] but it's also got a lot of options [11:59] svn co, svn up, svn commit is really easy to do [11:59] ok, I'll try --lightweight [11:59] otherwise I'll leave this checkout thing overnight or something === mdke races his pet tortoise against bzr [12:00] if it told me the files it was getting I think I'd feel more encouraged :) [12:01] eventually we could have a repo with branches for each of say generic, ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, edubuntu, common [12:01] that would be a shame, I think [12:02] I'm still far from understanding how all that works but it sounds cool [12:02] well, I'm not sure that it would be too bad [12:02] but I know what you mean [12:02] there's something to keeping everybody together === mdke nods [12:03] but I think their branch repo thing could be a bit of an inbetween [12:04] so far it's downloaded 17 mb of .bzr and no files >_< [12:04] making it more modular, but still centralized [12:04] well, I think that's normal [12:04] with --lightweight? svn doesn't do that [12:05] does bzr just have one hidden folder in the top of the tree, rather than in all the subfolders? [12:05] yep [12:05] .bzr at the head holds everything [12:05] in fact, when you push you are just sending .bzr [12:05] I see [12:05] I cant take a branch [12:05] do you can't choose which subfolders to checkout, you have to checkout the whole branch? [12:06] that's what a branch is [12:06] I think of it as sort of smaller scale than a repo [12:06] so each branch should be a distinct "thing" [12:07] granted that model seems to apply better to software than docs [12:07] mdke: bzr download the whole .bzr directory, then unpack the last revision from it [12:07] downloads* [12:07] theCore: we are doing co --lightweight though [12:07] I gues it's just downloading the last revision to .bzr [12:08] LaserJock: same thing, except it only downloads the last revision, instead of all of them [12:09] mdke: ok, it took me 10m for --lightweight [12:09] hmm, our repo is just so big :/ [12:10] it's only 38MB though [12:10] 10min for 38MB is kinda ... [12:10] slow [12:10] bzr is indeed slow [12:11] but I don't know why [12:11] cool, mine is downloaded too [12:11] you should do a full bzr branch overnight to try that out [12:11] I wonder if it uses compression for checkouts [12:12] what is the docs branch's URL? [12:12] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/ubuntu-doc/trunk [12:12] thanks LaserJock [12:12] mdke: if you want to try pushing you' [12:12] you'll want to grab the sandbox branch [12:13] I can't use that one? [12:14] no, that one is read-only I think [12:15] is it the usual things like "bzr rm" and "bzr cp"? [12:15] I believe so [12:16] mdke: bzr help is pretty good [12:16] read the docs, you think? [12:16] surely not [12:16] bzr help commands gives you a list of commands [12:16] and bzr help gives you more info === mdke shakes his head at the reading the docs bit