=== d33p__ [n=d33p@87.217.145.30] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:17] crimsun: do you know some biologists? :) [12:17] crimsun: but ... but ... they're hardly scientists at all [12:17] just a shade above social scientists :/ [12:17] now be careful, LaserJock [12:17] ;-) === ajmitch has some good friends who are microbiologists === LaserJock resists starting on engineers [12:18] well, as an undergrad I was a jack-of-all-trades [12:18] we'll forgive you [12:18] my senior research project was chasing rare hawks around the woods === persia [n=persia@p3159-ipbf1401marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:18] such a shame you had to throw your life away on chemistry though [12:22] ajmitch: bah, whatever === bronson [n=bronson@adsl-75-36-145-166.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:23] I'd much rather be figuring out how the fundamental elements of the universe work together to produce everything [12:26] LaserJock: admit it, you'd rather be up to your eyeballs maintaining someone else's bitrotten code [12:27] ... === tezem [n=tezem@213.47.234.226] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:44] hi, I just found out about REVU and because I am an Arch Linux user I would like to see that this REVU system works as easy as aur.archlinux.org . Is it planned to make the upload process of new packages easier for everybody? It's hard if you have to be approved to be able to upload something. === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121oil.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:49] tezem: in the future it will probably be a little bit easier [12:49] tezem: but we can't have random people/bots uploading stuff === Tonio_ [n=tonio@30.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:51] not that the barrier or any checking is particularly robust [12:51] LaserJock: Why not just making it like Archlinux? Registering is all you need to do and you can put your packages into a database. People can use them for their own risk and if enough votes come together the package will be taken into a community repo. [12:53] tezem: well, to be honest, I'm not sure that we'd be very enthusaiatic about the idea [12:53] we have a pretty low barrier for somebody wanting to have their work in an official repo [12:54] all you need is to register and have a gpg key [12:56] yeah the gpg key idea is good but I read that I have to wait for approval to be added to some keyring or something. Thats not good [12:56] tezem: that's more or less not an issue anymore [12:56] and was just there because of some technical issues with using Launchpad for authentication [12:57] Ah ok then it's already the same idea as the AUR in Arch with the addition of using gpg signing, if i understood right. [01:02] tezem: probably [01:03] it's not perfect [01:03] and will probably be integrated more into Launchpad in the future === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena [n=caravena@162-45-112.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-108-060.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF_ [n=chris@202.63.35.99] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:36] LaserJock: yeah, I'm kinda partial to biology, since it was my first undergraduate major. [01:37] crimsun: You wanted to ask me about the icon location for uqm? [01:38] persia: is there a reason it's hardcoded as such? Does it reside in that same package? === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:40] crimsun: The icon belongs to uqm-content, which is CCA-NC-SA. I'm not convinced I have the right to copy it, convert it, and add it to uqm, which is GPL. [01:41] so the Icon location is broken? [01:42] crimsun: That seemed the best solution. The other would be to also change uqm-content, which allows modification for distribution as part of uqm. [01:44] http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/ <-- ? [01:44] crimsun: Yes. [01:44] what would prevent you from copying it? [01:44] the commercial clause? [01:45] or rather, the noncommercial clause [01:46] crimsun: SA requires that it be distributed under the same license. uqm is GPL, which is a different license, and the icon ideally belongs in the same package as the menu file and .desktop. I could also modify uqm-content to put it in /usr/share/pixmaps, if you think that is better. [01:49] persia: where on http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/legalcode is it stated that non-derivative works must be distributed under the same license? [01:50] crimsun: I believe 4a applies. [01:50] crimsun: It's not non-derivative. I was using an icon from uqm-content. [01:51] right, and since uqm-content is not a derivative work of uqm, there's no restriction on the license of the collective. [01:51] persia: why can't you put the icon from uqm-content into uqm? [01:51] "The above applies to the Work as incorporated in a Collective Work, but this does not require the Collective Work apart from the Work itself to be made subject to the terms of this License." [01:51] just put it there [01:51] LaserJock: Are you sure Ubuntu can distribute a CCA-NC-SA icon under GPL? [01:52] why would be it be under GPL? [01:52] it's not under GPL. [01:52] LaserJock: uqm is GPL [01:52] so what? [01:52] that doesn't matter [01:52] see the above section I just quoted, persia [01:52] we put mixed licensed material together all the time [01:53] you just need to say in debian/copyright what the license is for that file, etc. [01:53] crimsun: Thanks. I misunderstood that bit. I'll update. === fernando__ [n=fernando@189.0.149.136] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:54] persia: are you sure that it's NC ? [01:54] LaserJock: I thought GPL was considered OK for universe inclusion, and CC-NC-SA required multiverse (certainly debian non-free), and that a mix across those lines what not ideal. [01:54] I think that would make it undistributable in Ubuntu [01:55] LaserJock: It says so in debian/copyright. uqm-content is multiverse. [01:55] well, if CC-NC-SA is indeed distributable in multiverse it would just mean that uqm and uqm-content would go in Multiverse [01:55] does uqm depend on uqm-content? [01:56] LaserJock: Yes, (and is also in multiverse). I'll go update the licenses... [01:56] I'm suspicious that CC-NC-SA is not distributable [01:57] you might want to ask somebody like mdz about that [01:57] LaserJock: Why? As long as it is downloaded for free (and multiverse isn't supposed to be on CD), and not resold by downstream distributors (who should check debian/copyright before planning a CD), it should be fine. [01:57] well, that second part would be the problem [01:58] although I think I recall mdz saying that the "must be usable by all" thing didn't apply to Multiverse [01:58] LaserJock: Do you really think Ubuntu can get in trouble if some third party downloads something from the repositories, clearly marked as Non-Commercial, and then attempts to sell it? [01:58] although I think that doesn't make much sense [01:59] persia: well, it does have ramifications [01:59] for instance, you are supposed to be able to freely distribute Ubuntu [01:59] so a commercial organization should be allowed to sell and Ubuntu derivative [02:00] but if I remember correctly mdz said that didn't apply to Multiverse, although I don't know why it shouldn't [02:01] multiverse has differently licencesed software in it [02:01] LaserJock: My understanding is that multiverse contains lots of random unsupported stuff which users might like, but which may not fit with the general licensing guidelines of Ubuntu (yet may stil be distributed). [02:02] persia: yes, so it can be closed source [02:02] but it needs to be distributable [02:02] and that's the point [02:02] is how far you take distributable [02:02] whether it just means distributable by us [02:02] LaserJock: Distributable by the Ubuntu mirrors, not necessarily distributable by others, I think. [02:03] or distributable by any derivative [02:03] persia: well that's not the case for other components, that's what I'm saying [02:03] but I think multiverse is the lone exception [02:03] LaserJock: That matches my understanding. [02:04] although, I don't think it's very nice to have that exception === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lutin [n=Lutin@sd-4736.dedibox.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:08] persia: I guess that is consistent with "The onus is on you to verify your rights to use this software and comply with the licensing terms of the copyright holder." [02:09] although my understanding of Multiverse has been more "closed source by freely distributable" [02:10] LaserJock: That's the clause. From what I've seen, much of multiverse is non-commercial, or non-military, or, licensed under a strange license (You can do anything you want with this code, but don't bug me!), or something else. [02:11] well, I put some rather funky stuff in there myself [02:12] what I don't like about the idea of "this may or may not be redistributable" is that derivates have a hard time checking *every* package to see if they are ok in distributing it [02:12] but Multiverse is so weird anyway, and that clause is fairly clear, I can't see much of a problem [02:13] if Universe had such a clause I'd be very worried [02:13] LaserJock: Derivatives only have to check in Multiverse, and only if they have a different distribution policy than Ubuntu. There aren't that many packages anyway. [02:14] It appears that Joey went to some trouble to repack to avoid CC in uqm. I think I'll just install uqm.xpm in uqm-content, so as to avoid rewriting debian/copyright. [02:15] well, as my dad would say, "Shoot yourself" [02:16] hmm, that really doesn't come across as well on IRC ;-) [02:16] that's what my priest said to...... never mind === jdong getting hell tickets for that one === Tonio__ [n=tonio@42.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jenic [n=jenic@adsl-75-8-123-156.dsl.sndg02.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia grumbles about "canonical" meaning something different in LP bugs than in other contexts. === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:51] I forget: What's the procedure for adding new packages to universe? Upload to revu and get approval from two other MOTU's? [02:51] yes [02:52] that's the procedure some motus follow [02:55] Is there an easy way to run build-dep inside a pbuilder environment? [02:56] I'm building Ubuntu kernels and just installing all the deps takes a long time. [02:56] It would be nice if they were already inside the tarball... [03:00] you could stuff them in the base tarball with pbuilder login --save-after-login [03:00] ie, login, install, logout [03:01] ajmitch: that makes sense. I'll try it. [03:01] Thanks. === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:08] ajmitch: ...and the one we all *ought* to be following, yes? [03:08] sorry for going away after asking a question, by the way. [03:12] shawarma: considering that a large number of MOTUs are core devs as well, working on various things [03:12] so pushing *everything* through REVU becomes a bottleneck === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:14] Speaking of REVU, I have two Python packages (one upstream update of an exisiting package - http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4114 and one new package -http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4115) if any MOTUs are available. === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-94-128.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia [n=persia@p3159-ipbf1401marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === d33p__ is now known as luisbg === persia [n=persia@p3159-ipbf1401marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:27] Heya gang [03:27] hi bddebian [03:27] Hi persia [03:30] heya bddebian! [03:30] Hi ScottK === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong__ [n=jdong@d192-24-149-138.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-18-234.col.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-144-236.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RedKrieg [n=RedKrieg@ip68-10-83-27.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:07] Anyone ever gotten a broadcom wireless adapter to work without ndiswrapper? === wasabi_ [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:07] Anybody planning on packaging gimmie? === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:20] Heya bddebian: I see you are revuing... I uploaded a new package today that I'd appreaciate a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4115 and on the broadcom thing - I've never actually managed to get ndiswrapper or madwifi to work, I just have to find wireless cards that are supported in the kernel. [04:21] I refuse to use ndiswrapper but I can't find my damn Orinico card :-( [04:22] I'm currently stuck at my desktop because we are down one laptop and my wife needs to take one to work tonight. [04:23] I had to swap out the hard drive so she could dual boot into Windows :-( [04:26] Heh [04:26] I don't have that problem since I have 10 machines in my house now :-) === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:28] I'm just short functioning laptops. Got lots of others... === somerville32_ [n=somervil@fctnnbsc15w-156034092135.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === wasabi_ [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:42] bddebian: Thanks. I've another clean one for you if you're up for it: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4114 === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:51] ajmitch, Here's how to automate adding build-deps to a pbuild environment: http://wiki.u32.net/Dpkg/pbuilder/deps [04:51] You put me on the right track. === somerville32_ [n=somervil@fctnnbsc15w-156034092135.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xopher [n=xopher@unaffiliated/xopher] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:02] bddebian: thanks for your help on the x264 stuff.... I just noticed PPC failed while other arches are ok.... drats :) [05:02] anyone have a PPC and some time to spare? [05:02] I wish I had a PPC :-( [05:05] googling seems to indicate it has something to do with altivec.... === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:11] w00t, I have wireless with this POS broadcom [05:15] congrats === jdong needs to test some ppc code :( === jimpop [n=jimpop@c-76-17-115-179.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:19] bddebian: wrt the FTBFS, I think adding -faltivec to PPC CFLAGS will fix it [05:20] bddebian: that's line 166 of configure [05:20] apparently -maltivec is not sufficient :) === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:22] bddebian: actually, one sec, I'll prepare you a debdiff with a more sane fix [05:24] bddebian: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2120/ [05:25] voila, debdiff [05:32] jdong: It's up [05:35] bddebian: cool, cross our fingers :D [05:35] and curse PPC @ the same time :D [05:36] heh [05:39] how do i use rsync through ssh === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:43] Mez: rsync -av -e ssh host1:/path host2:/path [05:44] worked it out [05:44] actually you don't even need -e ssh; it's assumed nowadays === mikhail^ [n=dean@124.106.241.148] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:45] jdong: whee :D now I have my apt-repo === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:53] w00t Mez :) === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === daya [n=daya@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee waves [06:08] Heya Hobbsee [06:09] hi Hobbsee [06:09] heya bddebian, persia [06:10] For iceweasel/icedove dependencies, do these just get updated to firefox/thunderbird (same versions)? === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:17] ffs [06:17] I dont think my oven works === lupine_85 [n=lupine@nick.lupine.me.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:22] Good night - bddebian: Thanks again for the REVU. [06:22] anyone good at bash scripting want to help me convert this http://rafb.net/p/3E1f1116.html into a proper bash script [06:24] GNight ScottK, NP [06:27] Ack, me too.. Gnight gang [06:27] Mez: what's the 'exists' function ? Is it just a test 'file exists' ? [06:28] yeah [06:28] I got it anyways [06:28] night, bddebian [06:28] Lutin, http://rafb.net/p/qBwLWl29.html [06:28] Mez: http://rafb.net/p/qMlyNI65.html [06:29] Mez: see, exactly what I told you ;-) [06:29] ;) [06:29] only persia did it all for you ;-) [06:30] jdong: Mez did it himself about 13 seconds before I could :) [06:30] jdong: as I did myself just before === Mez sighs [06:30] now I just need man pages [06:30] oh dear lord, man pages [06:31] jdong: my thoughts exactly [06:32] jdong: it's better than trying to backport gstreamer anyways [06:32] Mez: seems to be some weird logic in your script [06:32] Lutin... how so ? [06:33] Mez: yikes :) === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:33] Mez: you do if [ -f ~/.nostromorc ] ; then; else .... [06:33] jdong: backportingn gstreamer works [06:33] if you have something esle than [ -f ~/.nostromorc ] [06:33] just the thing i was backporting it for doesnt [06:33] the works would already have been true [06:33] erek. === d33p__ [n=d33p@87.217.145.60] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:33] the first test [06:34] Lutin ... [06:34] exactly [06:34] BUT ... === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:34] the code in the else will copy the file to where it should be [06:34] if it doesnt exist [06:34] if there is nothing plugged in that matches the hardware [06:34] it wont copy it [06:34] Mez: gstreamer is still on 0.10, just point-releases right? [06:34] meaning it wont exist [06:35] Fedora backports all the point-releases as official updates [06:35] jdong, yeah 0.10.10 -> 0.10.11 [06:35] yeah, I'd expect that to work [06:35] jdong it does [06:35] cept [06:35] Argh! Something went wrong and a serious error occurred: [06:35] Your GStreamer installation is missing a plug-in. [06:35] gstdecodebin.c(1668): gst_decode_bin_change_state (): /timeline/playbackbin/Instrument_0/gnlcomposition0/Event_1/internal-decodebin [06:35] It is recommended that you report this to the Jokosher developers or get help at http://www.jokosher.org/forums/ [06:35] Lutin, check the script again ;) === Mez pries off his backspace key and sees what's under there [06:36] [06:37] Mez: lovely :) [06:37] ] = [06:37] ] 0000000000000 [06:37] Mez: and on TLTS near new year's IIRC there was a informal mention of a backport request for jokosher too :D [06:37] ] 0000000000000 [06:37] I was listening to the podcast and just grinned [06:37] TLTS? [06:38] apologies about the spam there [06:40] linux link tech show [06:40] missing an L because it's midnight [06:41] never heard of it [06:41] there hasnt been one on LR and they're the developers of it [06:42] lol === Mez is syncing his jokosher backport to his personal apt repo [06:43] jono and a bunch of british/australian/non-american accented people do it [06:43] lmao [06:43] excuse the offensive remark :) [06:43] so jokosher isn't in Main yet? [06:44] jdong: you sure you dont mean http://www.lugradio.org/ [06:44] LaserJock, nope [06:44] Mez: ok, I understand now ;) [06:44] anybody want to write up a MIR for jokosher? [06:44] Mez: yeah, that's the one === jdong gets all his podcasts mixed up :) [06:45] jdong: I didnt hear that one :P [06:45] I remember them saying "oh, it might get backported" [06:45] but thats what prompted me to do it [06:45] Mez: :) [06:45] if I was less lazy at the time I would've started messing with it too [06:45] lol [06:45] that's about as subtle as a backport request could be for me :D [06:46] but audio editing wasn't an itch I had to scratch [06:46] ooh [06:46] pizza [06:46] bugger [06:46] put my poven in wrong mode [06:46] gotta wait another 25 mins [06:47] GOD FSCK IT [06:47] http://librarian.launchpad.net/5788159/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-powerpc.x264_1%3A0.cvs20070117-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [06:47] GRR [06:48] any altivec genies around here? [06:48] possible solutions: (1) nobody cares about PPC. screw it and move on blessing i386/x86_64/ia64/sparc with x264 good ness [06:48] (2) Reverse svn changeset that added altivec optimizations [06:49] which is worse? === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bronson [n=bronson@adsl-75-36-145-166.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:08] gotta leave, bye [07:14] pango is so messed up right now === ajmitch looks for bug reports [07:15] so we're supposed to put down the time we voted on the wiki page? [07:15] & the mailing list [07:15] LaserJock: yes [07:15] which I haven't done [07:15] since I'm slack & lazy === Hobbsee only did the wiki page === jdong reverts upstream altivec optimizations in a last-ditch effort to make it compile under ppc [07:15] why do we need it on the mailing list too? [07:16] sunday is winning [07:16] hmm, I'm not sure what to say. Maybe I shouldn't vote [07:17] voting is your duty! [07:17] if you don't vote, the terrorists win [07:18] well, but I'm not sure I can make any of the times [07:18] hmm, I guess Monday could work though [07:19] the 1 day it won't work for me :) [07:20] what the heck is that time format? [07:21] dunno === Hobbsee fudged it [07:21] just stick in @SIG@ [07:22] it's hardly necessary [07:22] & I think it's slightly silly [07:22] mhm [07:22] but /me doesn't want to be the one rocking the boat [07:23] oh wow [07:24] I put in UTC, and it spits it out in local time [07:24] but I think if you vote you have to add an agenda item [07:25] I did [07:28] well, I added two just to be safe [07:28] probably not interesting though [07:32] they don't have to be interesting [07:32] the meeting's not there for general entertainment [07:36] what?!?! [07:36] and here I was going to bring my tap shoes === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@42.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:40] Tonio_: Hey. I was looking at a merge of yakuake earlier, and heard you didn't think it should be merged. Could you share your thoughts on that? [07:45] persia: it's a bit confusing when you confirm a sync request for u-u-s, usually that means we've acked it [07:45] LaserJock: Sorry. That was me trying requestsync. Given the results, I don't think this is a good tool for non-members of ubuntu-dev. [07:46] ah, can you get it to not set that? [07:48] LaserJock: I can, but the default is to confirm (and sub ubuntu-archive). I changed the subscriber in my first try, but I don't like the output, as it doesn't include any rationale. I may edit it to be useful for me, but I may also stick with hand creation. === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jimpop [n=jimpop@c-76-17-115-179.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.119.224] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:50] persia: yeah, that makes sense [07:53] LaserJock: I'm guessing that if u-u-s members don't know why it should be sync'd, it's more difficult to make an ACK decision. [07:54] persia: there is no difference on the package, no patches etc.... [07:54] the only thing to what I know is packaging, but as debian one isn't cdbs based..... === racarr [n=robb@pool-71-163-244-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@42.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:00] Tonio_: OK. I understand. Thanks for the explanation. [08:01] persia: you're welcome === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@64.140.73.93] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu_ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-176-158.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jimpop [n=jimpop@c-76-17-115-179.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === d33p__ [n=d33p@87.217.145.193] has joined #ubuntu-motu === apokryphos [n=francis@87-194-86-227.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@42.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:02] ajmitch: do you think it would be possible to add the Debian apt gpg keys to tiber? [09:06] why? [09:07] well, my scripts use apt to grab Debin sources [09:07] and so my cron log and mail on tiber get full of gpg warnings [09:08] it's not a big deal, just slightly annoying [09:08] I'll see what I can do === ajmitch needs dinner === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F76F15.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:09] good morning [09:12] hey daniel [09:13] hey andrew [09:19] Laser_away: if you use mdt, you probably have to add the key to your account [09:19] not to the root account === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:24] lucas: can I do that? I tried generic directions but they didn't work, how do I tell it what to use? === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:25] well, doesn't gpg --recv-key keynumber works ? [09:25] that get's the key [09:26] and then, mdt still complains ? [09:26] hmm, I didn't check actually [09:26] I thought I'd need apt-key add [09:27] ah maybe === davromaniak [n=cyril@AFontenayssB-152-1-39-11.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@42.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seeker` [n=cjo20@ip-62-105-182-26.dsl.twang.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === eXistenZ [n=amerdakk@unaffiliated/eXistenZ] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seeker` [n=cjo20@ip-62-105-182-26.dsl.twang.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu === daya [n=daya@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bigon [i=bigon@213.219.145.39.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lutin [n=Lutin@sd-4736.dedibox.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:58] <\sh> moins [10:59] \sh: Good morning. Did you ever get boson to compile, or should I be working on something? === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-01ce9108c3d5d170] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:09] moins all [11:09] off to work see yall in a bit === geser [n=michael@ubuntu/member/geser] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [n=alessand@host52-173-static.120-81-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.115.215] has joined #ubuntu-motu === eXistenZ [n=amerdakk@unaffiliated/eXistenZ] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:21] anyone wanna review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4120 [11:22] I know theres no man pages [11:24] Mez: You might want to add #!/bin/bash at the top of nostromo_container_script. [11:25] thought i had === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bigon [i=bigon@213.219.145.39.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] === geser_ [n=michael@dialin109130.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:34] ls [11:34] moin all [11:36] Mez: It works for me now. I'm leaving this one installed. Thanks. [11:36] persia, woo! === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.119.197] has joined #ubuntu-motu === iceman [n=iceman@cable-87-244-154-165.upc.chello.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === iceman [n=iceman@cable-87-244-154-165.upc.chello.be] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Bye!"] [11:48] Mez: http://rafb.net/p/7E8xEx51.html [11:48] persia - lol === Mez hugs persia for making life so easy [11:50] Mez: No worries. I'm excited about this app, and prefer not to maintain local changes :) [11:50] ;) [11:51] persia, then you wont mind writing man pages ? :P [11:51] Mez: Umm.. Well... Perhaps not that excited. [11:52] darn [11:54] help2man, maybe? === geser [n=michael@ubuntu/member/geser] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:54] StevenK, no --help output [11:54] Useful. [11:56] StevenK, it has a html file ;) [11:56] but that gives nothing away === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb6fb00-217.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:56] and one of the scripts we wrote ourselves. [11:57] and a lot of it I had to hack on :( [11:57] persia, you'll be happy to know - upstream are happy to take on my changes === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:57] Mez: Good. Everyone will get a nice icon in the control centre, even other distributions. === StevenK runs svnadmin load on a 2.9Gb SVN dumpfile. [12:02] Mez: :-) [12:02] StevenK, ... ? what did i do now ? [12:03] Mez: You stumbling into the mess in -devel. :-) [12:03] lol === robb_ [n=robb@pool-71-163-244-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === guibis [n=guibis@bye239.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === user_ [n=user@000-046-962.area3.spcsdns.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === geser_ [n=michael@dialin107204.justdsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:17] persia: even more fun [12:17] seems we have most of it done now [12:21] Mez: ? [12:21] well we're now using dh_installudev [12:21] ;) [12:21] yay [12:21] instead of doing hacky things you can just call out to scripts that do hacky things in a somewhat standard way ;) [12:22] Amaranth, I didnt know about dh_installudev [12:22] sorry, was supposed to be funny [12:22] dh_ in a terminal might be useful though :) [12:23] Mez: man debhelper provides a nice list. I can never remember them all, but it's a good place to check when you want to do something. [12:24] ssh [12:24] leave me alone [12:24] I blame Tonio_ [12:24] he gave me roms [12:24] my heads stuck in super mario world [12:25] "Tea, back with Heather, set too trying to repair the machine, reluctantly used a floating Kubuntu CD to do the rsyncing magic & rescued mail, home-dir & dollops of data; halleluja. Call with Kay Ramme: very switched on guy." [12:25] michael meeks :) [12:26] Mez: giving roms is my internet mission ^^ [12:26] Tonio_, ssh [12:27] if I could get them to work in linux would even be better === nolimitsoya [n=nolimits@176.139.216.81.static.vhe.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:38] jdong, can you check out bug 80579 [12:38] Malone bug 80579 in edgy-backports "backport kxmame" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80579 === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic_ [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F71DF2.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.115.125] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF [n=chris@202.63.35.99] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lbm [n=lbm@0x555373ab.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia [n=persia@p3159-ipbf1401marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu === segfault [i=segfault@core-dumped.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@42.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy_ [n=cassidy@host-213-189-171-21.brutele.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lutin [n=Lutin@sd-4736.dedibox.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lutin [n=Lutin@sd-4736.dedibox.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:30] crimsun: holy crap the light on my mute button works!!! dude, you're so awesome [01:39] excellent. === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-6-119.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-6-119.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:04] ciao * === robb_ [n=robb@pool-71-163-244-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kano [n=kano@91.64.67.21] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:10] hi siretart [02:10] siretart: i am missing h264 support in kaffeine, vlc can playback it [02:11] best would be multithreaded... === jrib [n=jasonr@c-24-63-70-115.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying_ [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seeker` [n=cjo20@ip-62-105-182-26.dsl.twang.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] [02:50] Is there a MOTU available who would be willing to review a new Perl library - http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4113 - I've been waiting for a dependency and it hit the archives last night... === xerxas [n=r67894@AGrenoble-257-1-1-102.w86-193.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xerxas_ [n=r67894@AGrenoble-257-1-1-102.w86-193.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:03] ScottK: may i friendly suggest to consider bringing them into debian (in case you want to maintain them, but it seems you are very active with perl modules) ? [03:04] ScottK: i know that the debian-perl packaging team warmly welcomes every newcomer :) [03:04] (this would of course help ubuntu as well) === highvoltage [n=jaagaan@johannesleroux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twiligh1 [n=twilight@d83-184-111-19.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez_ [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:07] white: Someone else is working on getting them into Debian who is already in the Perl group. === twiligh1 [n=twilight@d83-184-111-19.cust.tele2.it] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [03:08] I'm actually more of a Python person. [03:08] The two of us are working together. He's the Perl/Debian guy and I'm the Python/Ubuntu guy. [03:10] white: You wouldn't happend to know if there is an equivalent Python group in Debian would you? [03:13] how does one force a package on which version of python to use at runtime? [03:15] Hobbsee: Set #!/usr/bin/python2.4 [03:15] shawarma: where? [03:15] Hobbsee: Top of the file. === ScottK types to slowly... [03:16] shawarma: for every file within it? [03:16] (seeing as there are multiple .py files) [03:16] Hobbsee: No, just the one you execute. [03:17] Hobbsee: Ie. not all the dependant modules and such. [03:17] ScottK: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/list/debian-python.en.html [03:19] shawarma: hrm. thought that was __init__.py [03:20] Hobbsee: No, you're probably looking for a file in /usr/bin/ [03:20] shawarma: oh right, point [03:21] ScottK: http://alioth.debian.org/projects/python-modules/ http://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-python/ http://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-python-debian/ [03:21] ScottK: these ones might be of some interest as well :) [03:21] Thanks. Looking. === segfault [i=segfault@core-dumped.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:21]