[12:17] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm that seems way broken
[12:17] <gnomefreak> kyamo seems to be having all kinds of problems
[12:18] <gnomefreak> version 0.13.99+0.2a-0ubuntu4  cancel is spelled wrong its spelled chancel and it hangs only way to kill it is kill -9 pid
[12:18] <gnomefreak> maybe killall too didnt try
[12:19] <gnomefreak> and used over 90% cpu
[12:19] <gnomefreak> do i file 2 reports or do you want them all on one?
[12:23] <Tonio__> Sime, sebas: I commited a little patch for kde-systemsettings and gtk-qt-engines addition under appearance, if you want to sync that to svn, you'll find the patch in the debian source package...
[12:29] <gnomefreak> filed 2 to be safe ;)
[12:43] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: have you had trouble with your upload of knm at all?
[12:47] <Hobbsee_> ah ha....
[12:48] <Hobbsee> that's....very odd.
[01:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: for compiling plugins, kane said.  guess he was working on one
[01:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah okay ;)
[01:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: final attept to fix kdebluetooth
[01:13] <Riddell> Tonio_: what needs doing to it?
[01:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: I added the new knm patch, and sent comment to mbiebl with a few suggestions of how implementing his changes better
[01:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: that should allow to manage enable/disable better
[01:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: dunhandler.desktop file is still crappy with the ubuntu changes during the build
[01:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: adding new blank line via a patch fails, so I'm changing the file via a makebuilddir rule
[01:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: should work this time
[01:14] <Tonio_> next I'm fixing kds for katapult autostart
[01:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: if that work would you agree providing a backport or fix for knm ?
[01:15] <Tonio_> edgy is higly affected by this systray issue
[01:16] <Tonio_> and perform a ps aux | grep network && kill UID is way to hard for my girlfriend :)
[01:16] <Riddell> which systray issue?
[01:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: when the session management restores knm, sometimes it simply fails, icon doesn't respond and disappears
[01:17] <Tonio_> but the process is still there and the problem will rehappen at next login
[01:17] <Riddell> charming
[01:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: confirmed on several distros, so mbiebl patched to remove the session management thing and change the autostart behavior
[01:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can confirm that bug, although I could restart it, that not very easy for average joe
[01:18] <Riddell> oh, cool, we'd I'd support SRU, and I think mithrandir should even be responsive to processing them
[01:18] <Riddell> xdg-utils got into -proposed after 6 weeks yesterday
[01:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll upload digikam fixed to -proposed today too
[01:18] <Tonio_> cjwatson agreed on rationale
[01:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: remind me again which that was?
[01:19] <Tonio_> showfoto cannot be installed, due to file conflict in the package splitting
[01:19] <Tonio_> my packaging issue
[01:19] <Riddell> ah
[01:19] <Tonio_> sru bug is there for 2 month, but nobody took care untill I finally ping cjwatson yesterday
[01:19] <Tonio_> lots of people are complaining about this
[01:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you change cdbs somehow ?
[01:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: I cannot compile kdebluetooth anymore :
[01:20] <Tonio_> dh_install: kdebluetooth missing files (debian/tmp/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdebluetooth/*), aborting
[01:20] <Tonio_> there is no docs in the tarball, so I don't understand
[01:20] <Tonio_> and it previously built successfully
[01:21] <Tonio_> hum, that kdebluetooth.install..... okay
[01:22] <Tonio_> when was that changed ???? last upload is mine, I don't understand
[01:22] <Tonio_> well I'll fix and upload, that's it
[01:25] <Riddell> you can copy kde.mk locally to the package and edit it and just include the local one
[01:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah but that's a .install file issue in fact... I'm just building a fixed version
[01:28] <Tonio_> katapult is building too, and then I'll fix kds
[01:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: about that kmenu/configuration/hplip thing, should we hide that in kde ?
[01:41] <Tonio_> or simply split to have that removed by default
[01:41] <Riddell> the kmenu is totally broken in feisty
[01:41] <Riddell> as is kcontrol
[01:42] <Tonio_> hu ?
[01:42] <Riddell> not sure why, we havn't changed anything
[01:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just fixed gtk-qt-engines, so it look okay here, on a defualt profile
[01:42] <Tonio_> only that hplip thing needs to be removed or moved behind system probably
[01:42] <Riddell> there's a Lost and Found menu and two Settings menus
[01:42] <Tonio_> hu ?????
[01:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: not on a default profile afaik
[01:43] <Tonio_> let me test
[01:43] <Riddell> was true on the herd 2 CD
[01:43] <Tonio_> hum, I'm testing
[01:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is okay here, no lost and found
[01:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning the setting thing, that's due to that hplip thing, now gtk-qt-engines is fixed
[01:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: I would like to package this, but I think it is also installed in ubuntu right ?
[01:45] <Tonio_> s/package/patch
[01:46] <Tonio_> once done we'll have a clean kmenu, since everything is now clean
[01:47] <Riddell> gtk-qt-engine isn't installed in ubuntu
[01:47] <Riddell> how's your kcontrol?
[01:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: no I was talking about the hplip thing, should be installed in ubuntu, so I can't patch the desktop file, that's my problem :)
[01:48] <Tonio_> let me look at kcontrol
[01:48] <Tonio_> hum, the wine config thing should be hidden if not working.... I'll patch this
[01:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: leave it, consensus seems to be that it's working
[01:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: bah, kcontrol look okay here
[01:49] <Riddell> although I think it should disable itself if wine isn't installed
[01:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I can't start it :)
[01:49] <Tonio_> ah ? needs wine to be installed ?
[01:49] <Riddell> oh, well poke sebas or Sime to fix it then
[01:49] <Tonio_> should be in a sepera package then, depending wine and guidance no ?
[01:49] <Riddell> it shouldn't need wine to be installed, just doesn't make much sense without it
[01:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I can't start it here...
[01:50] <Riddell> I don't think so, I'm happy for it to be there, if it works
[01:51] <Tonio_> Traceback (most recent call last):
[01:51] <Tonio_>   File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/wineconfig.py", line 1460, in <module>
[01:51] <Tonio_>     class AppearancePage(QWidget):
[01:51] <Tonio_>   File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/wineconfig.py", line 1463, in AppearancePage
[01:51] <Tonio_>     colorschemes = [str(i18n("Custom"))] 
[01:51] <Tonio_> UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xe9' in position 11: ordinal not in range(128)
[01:51] <Tonio_> that's the traceback
[01:51] <Tonio_> when running kcmshell System/wineconfig
[01:52] <Tonio_> maybe that an issue with french language, can you confirm it works for you ?
[01:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: but appart from that, kcontrol look okay here...
[01:53] <Tonio_> maybe that's just 3.5.6 I don't know
[01:54] <Tonio_> hum, kdebluetooth fixed and this time it works, nice ;) uploaded
[01:54] <Tonio_> kds uploaded too with katapult removal, and I'm about to upload katapult
[01:54] <sebas> Tonio_: Can you email me a backtrace, I'll see what I can do then
[01:55] <Tonio_> sebas: sure
[01:55] <sebas> Thanks
[01:55] <Tonio_> sebas: I searched google for that issue, but it looks like a nightmare to fix :)
[01:55] <sebas> When I'm at it, I can add a check if wine is installed as well, I guess
[01:55] <sebas> It shouldn't be, the rest of guidance works fine with that kind of encoding crap as well
[01:55] <Tonio_> sebas: your email ? sebas@kde.org ?
[01:55] <sebas> y
[01:57] <Tonio_> sebas: email is sent
[01:59] <Mez> Tonio_, pong
[02:00] <Tonio_> Mez: hey ;) forget about kxmame for xmess, only command line works
[02:00] <Tonio_> in fact kxmame considers only systems that don't require a rom to work
[02:01] <Tonio_> Mez: to launch properly a snes game, you need to get the snes bios from there :
[02:01] <Tonio_> http://mess.slor.net/
[02:01] <Tonio_> then unzip the file in the bios folder of mess (defined in /etc/xmame/xmessrc)
[02:01] <Tonio_> then to launch a game, use this command :
[02:02] <Tonio_> xmess snes -cart "/full/path/to/the/rom.zip"
[02:02] <Tonio_> that should work
[02:02] <Tonio_> then press <tab> to configure joysticks etc...
[02:02] <Tonio_> I really think about a good frontend for xmess, that would be usefull, since config is just a pure mess
[02:03] <Tonio_> Mez: NEVER type man xmess :)
[02:03] <Tonio_> more options than openvpn or openswan to what I've seen :)
[02:04] <Tonio_> so I may start a frontend in python in the future, as I really want to learn python/pykde
[02:15] <ryanakca> imbrandon: ping me when you've fixed your repos :)
[02:17] <sebas> Got you email, thanks Tonio_
[02:17] <Tonio_> sebas: your servant :)
[02:18] <sebas> =)
[02:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: I change the kubuntu_multimedia spec status to "implemented", as you fixed kaffeine, everything is now done, implemented, and known to work
[02:42] <Riddell> rocking
[02:42] <Riddell> top stuff Tonio_
[02:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: bah it was done for a while :) I should have closed the spec sooner, but well "zelda twilight princess" was out so.......
[02:44] <Tonio_> ^^
[02:44] <Tonio_> that made away from kubuntu for a few weeks
[02:45] <Tonio_> now I'm back !
[02:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's my problem, I love video games as much as linux........ and days are only 24 hours
[02:46] <Mez> Tonio_, katapult no longer in the session /
[02:46] <Tonio_> Mez: no we will use an autostart thing
[02:46] <Tonio_> session in kds is causing problems sometimes when ~/ are merged with kds ones
[02:46] <Mez> thats gonna piss off some users
[02:47] <Tonio_> why ?
[02:47] <Tonio_> those who don't want katapult started ? they can uninstall it :)
[02:48] <Tonio_> or echo "Autostart: false" >> ~/..../katapultrc
[02:48] <Tonio_> Mez: note that the autostart via sessions thing did fail for me on several installations, I had to manually start it....
[02:48] <Tonio_> that also pissed me off :)
[02:49] <Tonio_> Mez: not that much users complain about kdebluetooth or adept-notifier that also starts via /usr/share/autostart
[02:49] <Mez> Tonio_, cept katapult will now display  apopup
[02:49] <Mez> whereas it didnt on session restor
[02:50] <Tonio_> display a popup ? which way and when ?
[02:50] <Tonio_> ah yes........
[02:51] <Tonio_> well I can disable this in kds, but in a certain way that's nice
[02:51] <Tonio_> lots of users discovering kubuntu are not aware of it, so let then know when kde launches is not that bad, no ?
[02:52] <Tonio_> well we can see feedback and change that before release, we have time, but I'm not sure lots of people will complain
[02:52] <Tonio_> Mez: on laptops with bluetooth you get a kdebluetooth popup at every boot, nobody complains....
[02:52] <Tonio_> it is just a 1 sec thing
[02:52] <Mez> lol
[02:53] <Tonio_> and in my opinion that's nice for new users
[02:53] <Tonio_> Mez: what I'm not a fan is that we hide the icon in the systray
[02:53] <Tonio_> that's make it a PAIN for those you want to configure it
[02:53] <Tonio_> who knows about the alt+space and ctrl+C thing ? !!
[02:54] <Mez> Tonio_, blame Riddell
[02:54] <Tonio_> if I had to choose I would had that icon back....
[02:54] <Mez> It's his fault
[02:54] <Mez> Tonio_, WASNT MY CHOICE
[02:54] <Mez> I want it on
[02:54] <Tonio_> Mez: yeah I know Riddell hates systray things,....
[02:54] <Mez> sorry bout caps
[02:54] <Tonio_> Mez: I know
[02:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: please !!!!!!!
[02:55] <Tonio_> Mez: good implementation would be autostart -> no popup -> icon in the systray
[02:55] <Mez> Tonio_, executive descision ?
[02:55] <Tonio_> Mez: new users would figure out katapult, and Riddell could hide the icon :)
[02:55] <Tonio_> Mez: propose that for the next meeting, we'll vote on that point :)
[02:55] <Mez> Tonio_, my point indeed
[02:55] <Mez> whens the next meeting
[02:55] <Tonio_> Riddell can use his "dfl" veto, but he generally respects votes :)
[02:56] <Tonio_> with icon in the systray, there is no need for a popup for people to figure out katapult exists....
[02:57] <Tonio_> and I don't see the problem to let people right click on the icon and click "hide"
[02:57] <Tonio_> windows systray is nice on that point
[02:57] <Tonio_> you can hide things, but you have a little arrow to show all hiden ones....
[02:57] <Tonio_> that WAY better than kde one, where hidden means "unaccessible"
[02:58] <Tonio_> Mez: don't you think ?
[02:58] <Mez> "dfl" ?
[02:58] <Tonio_> dictator for life :)
[02:58] <Mez> lol
[02:58] <Tonio_> he his the boss, so even if we have a council, he has the final decision
[02:58] <Mez> but thats mark
[02:58] <Tonio_> which is normal btw
[02:59] <Tonio_> Mez: mark doesn't take any decisions for kde
[02:59] <Tonio_> Mez: we'll we are going to renew the council in may
[02:59] <Tonio_> Mez: depends if people still want me or not :)
[02:59] <Mez> Tonio_, why wouldnt they
[02:59] <Tonio_> Mez: but the idea is to rotate positions
[02:59] <Tonio_> Mez: because the point is not to keep the same people :)
[02:59] <Mez> Tonio_, I was just gonna say that though
[03:00] <Mez> I think the current choices are good
[03:00] <Tonio_> well of course a few people will stay, but not everyone, I may not even apply, I don't know
[03:01] <Tonio_> in any case the council is not everything, the communauty also votes, the council is just there in case no decision comes along
[03:02] <Tonio_> so I wouldn't have any issue not beeing in the council anymore, despite I like it ;)
[03:04] <Tonio_> feisty will probably be the first really mature version of kubuntu, that's the cool point
[03:05] <Tonio_> it is already better than edgy
[03:05] <Tonio_> and time to polish and fix bugs
[03:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning the HPLIP thing, the only solution I can see is to patch to provide 2 desktop files, once for gnome with onlyshowin gnome and create a new one for kde....
[03:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: are you okay on that point ?
[03:16] <Mez> Tonio_, should I upgrade then ?
[03:17] <Tonio_> Mez: I would say yes
[03:17] <Tonio_> Mez: lots of critical issues like knm crashing are resolved in feisty
[03:17] <Tonio_> depends on your usage, but in my opinion, that more stable
[03:17] <Mez> Tonio_, is this fixed?
[03:17] <Tonio_> Mez: the problem is that it can crash tomorrow :)
[03:17] <Mez> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[03:17] <Mez>   Major opcode:  148
[03:17] <Mez>   Minor opcode:  3
[03:17] <Mez>   Resource id:  0x0
[03:17] <Mez> Failed to open device
[03:18] <Mez> Tonio_, I know enough to fix it though
[03:18] <Tonio_> Mez: the knm frozen on systray ? yeah I merged debian patches yesterday for this issue
[03:18] <Tonio_> Mez: what is that issue ?
[03:18] <Tonio_> Mez: I'm talking about the session restore thing that makes knm crash on session restore
[03:23] <Mez> lol
[03:23] <Mez> I've never used knm
[03:31] <Tonio_> Mez: hehe
[03:31] <Mez> Tonio_, @ what ?
[03:32] <Tonio_> that you never used it, you're wrong, it is a very nice peace of software ;)
[03:32] <Tonio_> although aseigo hates it
[03:33] <Tonio_> Mez: the bad device thing, isn't that just the wacom cleaning in xorg.conf requirede ?
[03:33] <Tonio_> required ?
[03:33] <Mez> Tonio_, ah probably
[03:34] <Tonio_> Mez: yeah that drives me nuts........ I can't wait for a "autoconfig" xorg.....
[03:34] <Mez> hmm ....
[03:34] <Tonio_> should be at the end of the year
[03:35] <Mez> Tonio_, fancy looking at somehting in revu ?
[03:35] <Tonio_> Mez: sure
[03:35] <Mez> oh wait
[03:35] <Mez> it's got 2 comments
[03:36] <Tonio_> Mez: but I don't revu gnome stuff, as I'm not very aware of gnome specific packaging :)
[03:36] <Mez> Tonio_, it's not even gnome ;)
[03:36] <Mez> it's fltk
[03:36] <Mez> lol
[03:36] <Mez> but I've had a couple of comments
[03:37] <Tonio_> okay
[03:37] <Tonio_> ping me in the future if you need revu
[03:40] <Mez> Tonio_, I'll ping you in a mo
[03:41] <Mez> I'm happy with it
[03:41] <Mez> it's had lots of reviews
[03:41] <Mez> if you're happy I'ma gonna upload it
[03:41] <Mez> (seeing as you're -core-dev
[03:42] <Tonio_> Mez: well that's for universe right ? you can upload it if you're a motu :)
[03:43] <Mez> yeah i know
[03:43] <Mez> but - I want to see your review of it first ;)
[03:43] <Mez> I trust you'll make sure you pint out anything obvious
[03:43] <Tonio_> Mez: hehe okay :)
[03:43] <Mez> then I'll upload if you say theres nothing wrong with it
[03:43] <Mez> only issue is man pages
[03:43] <Mez> which i aintwriting
[03:43] <Tonio_> Mez: well I'm not the hardest reviewer out there
[03:44] <Tonio_> get Daniel revuing it, and have fun :)
[03:52] <Mez> loargh
[03:52] <Mez> I just uploaded to ubuntu anyways
[03:52] <Mez> accident
[03:53] <Tonio_> http://kde-apps.org/content/download.php?content=51747&id=1
[03:54] <Tonio_> i WANT that in the repos
[03:54] <Tonio_> the really missing in konqueror, and kget is completly crappy
[03:54] <Tonio_> let package it ;)
[03:56] <Mez> Tonio_, joint packaging ?
[03:57] <Tonio_> what does "joint" me ?
[03:58] <Tonio_> means
[03:58] <Tonio_> sorry I'm tired :)
[03:59] <Mez> collaborative
[04:01] <Tonio_> Mez: with ? are you interested ?
[04:01] <Mez> nvm
[04:02] <Mez> Tonio_, https://launchpad.net/edgy-backports/+bug/80579
[04:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80579 in edgy-backports "backport kxmame" [Undecided,In progress] 
[04:03] <Tonio_> Mez: perfect thanks !
[04:03] <manchicken> w00t!  Hacking time.
[04:04] <Mez> manchicken, ?
[04:04] <Tonio_> Mez: are you motu ? I should have finished the packaging in a moment, just a man to write :)
[04:05] <Mez> Tonio_, yes :d
[04:05] <Mez> hence my upload just now
[04:05] <Tonio_> hehe okay
[04:05] <Mez> nostromo_1.3-0ubuntu1_source.changes is NEW
[04:06] <manchicken> Mez: I'm hacking adept ^_^
[04:06] <Mez> manchicken, woo
[04:06] <Mez> Tonio_, i'm a lot of things
[04:06] <Mez> http://launchpad.net/~mez/
[04:07] <Tonio_> https://launchpad.net/~tonio/
[04:07] <Tonio_> you win...................
[04:07] <Mez> Tonio_, I'm thinking about keeping the katapult debian dir in BZR ...
[04:07] <Tonio_> manchicken: very nice
[04:07] <Mez> seeing as it's you an i who make the most changes to it - you happy with that ?
[04:08] <Tonio_> manchicken: aren't you the guy I discussed here when you came in first asking what needed coding on kubuntu ?
[04:08] <Tonio_> Mez: hum... bzr is too slow actually in my opinion
[04:08] <Mez> Tonio_, ?
[04:08] <Tonio_> Mez: we manage kds in bzr, but I don't much like it
[04:08] <Mez> I like it
[04:08] <Mez> and it's easier
[04:08] <manchicken> Tonio_: Yeah.
[04:09] <Tonio_> manchicken: hehe, cool :) for once someone asks what to do and does it :)
[04:09] <Tonio_> manchicken: generally, it always ends at the first step :)
[04:09] <Tonio_> Mez: well easier, but longer since it doules the job
[04:09] <manchicken> Tonio_: Riddell showed me the adept specs, and I've got one of them implemented already.
[04:09] <Mez> bzr bind ;)
[04:09] <manchicken> I got the main package indicator thing done.
[04:09] <Tonio_> Mez: and at the moment I don't see the benefit
[04:10] <manchicken> It's in my bzr if you want...
[04:10] <Tonio_> manchicken: yeah I've seen this :)
[04:10] <manchicken> Ah, yeah.  jr committed it.
[04:10] <Mez> Tonio_, i have to maintian in ubuntu and debian
[04:10] <Tonio_> that's cool since mornfall seems to have abandonned adept...
[04:10] <Mez> i like to easily sync changelogs from ubuntu to debian
[04:10] <Tonio_> Mez: in that case yes, maybe that can be usefull
[04:10] <manchicken> He seems interested in what I'm doing with it though.
[04:10] <manchicken> I'm interested in his feedback.
[04:11] <Mez> Tonio_, plus all the katapult dev is done in bzr anyways
[04:11] <Tonio_> Mez: on that point I'm okay, in that specific case it makes sense
[04:11] <Tonio_> Mez: but the best is to put the debian folder in the source no ?
[04:11] <Mez> sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/katapult/debian
[04:11] <Tonio_> that's even simpler :)
[04:12] <Mez> Tonio_, no cause that makes it a debian native package :D
[04:12] <Mez> and causes problems on using my release scripts
[04:12] <Tonio_> ah ok
[04:13] <Tonio_> Mez: didn't knew you used scripts, that's the reason
[04:13] <Mez> my release scripts made in ruby ;)
[04:13] <Mez> lol
[04:13] <Tonio_> Mez: bah that's cool :)
[04:13] <Tonio_> Mez: don't laught, but I generally script with php-cli
[04:13] <Mez> lol
[04:13] <Mez> nah
[04:13] <Mez> php is cool
[04:13] <Tonio_> I'm probably the only sysadmin in the world using this :)
[04:13] <Mez> hence my mez@php.net email
[04:14] <Tonio_> yeah but not that commonly used for admin scripting
[04:14] <Mez> https://code.launchpad.net/~katapult-dev/+branch/katapult/release_scripts
[04:14] <Tonio_> package done.... 19 minutes
[04:14] <Mez> apologies for all the cruft in the debian dir ;)
[04:14] <Mez> Tonio_, lol
[04:14] <Tonio_> that's not good, my record is 14
[04:15] <Mez> cdbs ? :P
[04:15] <Tonio_> hehe of course :)
[04:16] <Mez> Tonio_, should i release 0.4 beta ?
[04:16] <Mez> (katapult)
[04:19] <Tonio_> Mez: bah why not !
[05:13] <manchicken> Riddell: You there?  I'm trying to figure out exactly what user experience to go for here.
[05:20] <manchicken> Awful quiet for a Friday night.
[05:22] <Jucato> I think it's 4:00 AM of a Saturday for him
[05:22] <manchicken> Weaksauce ;)
[05:35] <Mez> @time NZ
[05:35] <Ubugtu> Current time in NZ: January 20 2007, 17:35:16
[05:35] <Mez> @time New Zealand
[05:51] <manchicken> I've got 2251
[05:52] <Tonio_> Mez: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=14115
[05:52] <Tonio_> Mez: watch this !!!!!!
[05:52] <Tonio_> that's what we need !
[05:52] <Mez> Tonio_, package away
[05:52] <Tonio_> Mez: looks like there is a debian packlage somewhere.....
[05:53] <Tonio_> Mez: and this thing is stable, great
[05:53] <Mez> lol
[05:53] <Jucato> there's an ubuntu package, it seems
[05:53] <Tonio_> and maintained !
[05:55] <Mez> Jucato, in the archive ?
[05:55] <Tonio_> I just hope it is not a xmess only frontend..... I'd like if it could use other emulators, like snes9x or others...
[05:55] <Jucato> not. the kde-apps page
[05:55] <Tonio_> Mez: no but upstream provides a ubuntu package
[05:55] <Tonio_> that's cool :)
[05:56] <Mez> Tonio_, then poke it m ake sure it's ok - put in archive
[05:57] <Tonio_> sure
[05:59] <Tonio_> grrrrrrrrrrrrr that's a kommander script.......
[06:01] <Tonio_> well it's easy to package, that's not the point, but I HATE kommander
[06:14] <manchicken> Why doesn't Riddell get up early in the morning to answer all my questions?
[06:15] <Tonio_> hehe
[06:16] <Jucato> manchicken: probably same reason you don't stay up late to be able to ask those questions when he's awake?
[06:16] <Jucato> :P
[06:16] <manchicken> I do.
[06:16] <manchicken> I'll probably be up to 0200 Chicago time tonight for that very reason ^_^
[06:17] <Jucato> it's just 11:15PM CST, right?
[06:23] <Mez> hahaha
[06:23] <Mez> fglrx problems again
[06:35] <manchicken> Yay!  Garbage drivers. :(
[06:35] <manchicken> I was very disappointed when I tried fglrx.
[06:36] <Mez> it worked quite well for me in edgy
[06:42] <Mez> Tonio_, what was that link again ?
[06:42] <Tonio_> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=14115
[06:42] <Tonio_> ?
[06:43] <Tonio_> but I'm testing something else -> XE
[06:43] <Tonio_> multi machines emulator, for linux, but non free
[06:43] <Tonio_> works pretty nicelly, and is super easy to configure
[06:43] <Tonio_> the only problem is that I have no sound
[06:44] <Tonio_> the good thing is that you don't have anything to configure, just open a rom and it auto select the good module, that's cool
[06:45] <Mez> Tonio_, that links got a quite nice menu
[06:45] <Tonio_> Mez: yes but that's kommander....
[06:46] <Mez> Tonio_,  ?
[06:46] <Tonio_> yes ?
[06:46] <Jucato> ?
[06:46] <Jucato> don't you just love questions marks? :)
[06:48] <Mez> Tonio_, where does kommander come into it
[06:49] <Tonio_> Mez: you have kommander files for the ui
[06:49] <Tonio_> it depends on kommander, I tried it, beleive  me ;)
[06:49] <Mez> hmm
[06:49] <Mez> this is nice
[06:49] <Mez> it gets the bioses for you
[06:50] <Mez> though kxmame isnt finding a bloody thing for me
[07:01] <Mez> Tonio_, I've no idea how to get kxmame to reocgnise and play this damn game
[07:01] <Mez> ah i dont have the right bios
[07:01] <Tonio_> Mez: bah I can explain but that's really complicated
[07:01] <Tonio_> Mez: what game is that ?
[07:01] <Mez> Tonio_, I need the snes pal bios ;)
[07:02] <Mez> Tonio_, does your ftp have the bioses ?
[07:02] <Tonio_> Mez: use zsnes or gsnes9x
[07:02] <Tonio_> xmess is slow with snes btw
[07:03] <Mez> LOL
[07:03] <Mez> fair enough
[07:03] <Mez> kxmame is very confusing
[07:05] <Mez> my fscking god
[07:05] <Mez> gsnes9x is fugly
[07:07] <Tonio_> Mez: bah zsnes is okay
[07:07] <Mez> zsnes has no joystick support
[07:08] <Mez> Tonio_, I think your right
[07:08] <Mez> best for emulators is windows
[07:08] <Mez> which is weird when you consider linux is the ultimate emulator really
[07:09] <Mez> how do i find whats hogging my sound card?
[07:10] <Tonio_> hum.....
[07:10] <Tonio_> what is the script to configure X with nvidia ?
[07:10] <Mez> nvm
[07:10] <Mez> Tonio_, no idea
[07:10] <Tonio_> I can see nvidia-glx-config and nvidia-xconfig
[07:16] <jdong> both :)
[07:16] <jdong> nvidia-glx-config is ours, nvidia-xconfig is upstream's
[07:38] <Lathiat> nvidia-glx-config doesnt work in feisty atm FYI
[07:38] <Lathiat> it fails to load the module because /etc/X11/xorg.cofn doesnt include 'nvidia' as the driver
[07:38] <Lathiat> and it doesnt add nvidia to the config because the module fails to load
[07:38] <Lathiat> ;)
[08:34] <mhb> morning
[08:36] <Hobbsee> heya mhb
[08:39] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee!
[08:40] <Hobbsee> heya Jucato
[08:46] <Mez> Hobbsee, Removed 04-dbus_access.patch, as that's specific to debian.
[08:46] <Mez>       Kubuntu uses pam_console and not group to access dbus.
[08:46] <Mez>     * Added debian/DEBIAN-KUBUNTU-DIFFERENCES file describing this
[08:46] <Mez>       change for easy merging in the future.
[08:47] <Hobbsee> Mez: hrm.  well, it's buggering up meaning that i cant connect when i first boot.
[08:47] <Jucato> Hobbsee: have you seen this? http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS4611592451.html
[08:49] <mhb> Jucato: oh this thing
[08:49] <Hobbsee> Jucato: oh...that...
[08:49] <Jucato> yes.. that...
[08:49] <Hobbsee> Jucato: they were requiring people to pay for the development thing, too
[08:49] <mhb> Jucato: that's not Ubuntu development team at all, just one guy AFAIK
[08:49] <Jucato> which is what bothers me...
[08:49] <Jucato> the article seems to be implying that it's an official project
[08:50] <Jucato> I thought I either missed an issue of LWN or missed some gossip :)
[08:51] <Jucato> er.. s/LWN/UWN
[08:52] <Hobbsee> Jucato: that's on crack...
[08:53] <Jucato> so it's really not official?
[08:53] <Hobbsee> no
[08:53] <Hobbsee> well, it's a thing off the forums
[08:53] <Hobbsee> people were asking for money on -devel a while ago, to implement it
[08:54] <Jucato> yeah... that's the only link he could give in the article, which made me dubious. I followed links to the wiki and LP... nothing official. the spec isn't even approved or assigned to anyone
[08:55] <Jucato> could we forward this article to someone who could sort of write to the author?
[08:56] <mhb> #ubuntu-devel could be enough, maybe
[08:56] <Jucato> oooh...
[08:56] <Hobbsee> Jucato: if it's on the forums only, it's definetly not part of core ubuntu development
[08:56] <Hobbsee> mhb: it's not official
[08:56] <mhb> Hobbsee: I know
[08:57] <Hobbsee> it would ahve to be on ubuntu-devel, with a release announcement on ubuntu-devel-announce
[08:57] <mhb> Hobbsee: I was referring to "could we forward this article to someone..."
[08:57] <Jucato> Hobbsee: except for those affairs that are official (like the wiki weekend...)
[08:57] <Jucato> there are some announcements on the forums that are official, though
[08:57] <Jucato> like the Forum council and stuff... but anyway
[08:57] <Hobbsee> mhb: ahh.  i dont think they're against the GPL in doing it.  mind you, modifying the ubuntu bootloader i hear isnt legal...
[08:57] <Hobbsee> Jucato: true
[08:58] <mhb> Hobbsee: no, but Jucato is right that someone should write to the author about the fact that this isn't an officially approved project
[08:58] <Hobbsee> mhb: indeed.
[08:58] <Jucato> Hobbsee: you're in #ubuntu-devel? might want to ping someone there about this. the article is on digg... and that's scary
[08:58] <Hobbsee> so's automatix
[08:59] <Hobbsee> it probably falls in the same category
[08:59] <Hobbsee> besides, it's a saturday
[08:59] <Jucato> oh... right... saturday...
[09:04] <Hobbsee> !gpg
[09:05] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:09] <Tonio_> ..... no way to get nvidia-glx driver working on my machine........ I don't get the point
[09:15] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_
[09:15] <_Sime> Tonio_: hey.
[09:15] <_Sime> Tonio_: was wineconfig crashing on you?
[09:18] <Tonio_> _Sime: yeah I sent the log to sebas
[09:18] <Tonio_> _Sime: interested getting the mail too ?
[09:18] <_Sime> Tonio_: it pretty easy to fix.
[09:18] <_Sime> Tonio_: yes
[09:19] <_Sime> Tonio_: str() only works for 8bit strings. unicode() should be used all the time.
[09:19] <Tonio_> email ?
[09:19] <Tonio_> _Sime: what email address ?
[09:20] <_Sime> Tonio_: simon@simonzone.com
[09:20] <Tonio_> the email is gone
[09:20] <Tonio_> hi Hobbsee (forgot this, sorry)
[09:25] <_Sime> Hobbsee: Hi
[09:25] <Hobbsee> heya :)
[09:25] <_Sime> I got back from Oz this week.
[09:25] <_Sime> spent 2 weeks in Queensland.
[09:26] <_Sime> Deb and I brought back 4 packets of Tim Tams. :-)
[11:38] <Tonio_> I really would like to test this : http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=49765
[11:38] <Tonio_> beautifull, and probably merged in kde4 aswell :)
[11:40] <mhb> Tonio_: beautiful maybe, but (at least on the screenshot there) the contacts take a lot of space
[11:42] <Tonio_> mhb: that's why I want to test it :)
[11:42] <mhb> Tonio_: I may be totally wrong though
[11:43] <Tonio_> mhb: more than this the patches makes the contact list themable, which isn't possible actually
[11:45] <mhb> Tonio_: true. Well, go for the testing and then tell us how you liked it, if something breaks in terms of usability and so on and so forth :o)
[12:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: if you come here today : kdenetwork doesn't build actually due to linux-kernel-headers
[12:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: the error is known and impact kopete (same problem than what we had with kcontrol/joystick
[12:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm testing a fix for this, so if you have issues building 3.5.6 let me know ;)
[12:15] <Tonio_> http://wiki.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/wiki/kdenetwork
[12:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm testing the first fix in debian/rules
[01:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: thanks
[01:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: the exact fix is  : DEB_CONFIGURE_SCRIPT_ENV += CXXFLAGS="$(CXXFLAGS) -std=gnu++98"
[01:34] <Tonio_> in debian/rules
[01:34] <Tonio_> works here
[02:32] <mhb> the kubuntu-feisty-networking spec says "Switch to knetworkmanager as default application for wire/wireless network management (see NetworkRoaming)" ... I'm trying to set up knetworkmanager but it only lists wired connections here (my girlfriend's Edgy laptop)
[02:33] <RadiantFire> mhb: try commenting out everything except for loopback in /etc/network/interfaces
[02:35] <mhb> RadiantFire: thanks ... I didn't want support actually, I just wondered if the knetworkmanager is going to be different in Feisty :o)
[02:35] <RadiantFire> it should be
[02:36] <RadiantFire> that was my impression
[02:36] <RadiantFire> i dunno, I just idle cuz I like listening to the chitchat
[03:39] <freeflying> Riddell:
[03:39] <freeflying> from QtLanguageSelectorGUI import Ui_QtLanguageSelectorGUI
[03:39] <freeflying> ImportError
[03:39] <freeflying> :
[03:39] <freeflying> cannot import name Ui_QtLanguageSelectorGUI
[03:40] <freeflying> Riddell: when run qt-language-selector, error give like above
[03:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: forget about the build issue, it only impacts kdenetwork 3.5.5, not 3.5.6
[04:44] <manchicken> Riddell: If you get a minute, I'm not entirely certain what sort of user experience the spec is calling for when adept_batch is done.  I can give you pretty much any behavior there pretty quickly, but I'm stuck not understanding what you want done.
[05:17] <ryanakca> Tonio_: looks cool
[05:18] <ryanakca> Tonio_: if you build a package of kopete with it... I'm willing to test it...
[05:37] <gnomefreak> is there a way to get the kicker to not start up when logging in but to start kooldock instead?
[05:46] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: if you make kicker hidden (i.e. with just the tab on the right) then I believe it'll stay like that when you've relogged in
[05:47] <gnomefreak> oh ok but no way to replace it with another docker?
[05:47] <apokryphos> ln -s /usr/bin/kooldock ~/.kde/Autostart/kooldock
[05:47] <gnomefreak> ah ok tu
[05:48] <gnomefreak> ty
[05:49] <apokryphos> np
[06:01] <Jucato> apokryphos: actually... dang I was too late...
[06:27] <kwwii> hi all
[06:28] <Lure> hi kwwii
[06:28] <Jucato> hi kwwii!!
[06:28] <kwwii> so....let's figure out where in the heck polyster style puts it config file
[06:34] <kwwii> mhb_: ping?
[06:41] <Jucato> gnomefreak: ping
[06:41] <Jucato> gnomefreak: heh nice :P were you able to hide kicker like you wanted to?
[06:41] <gnomefreak> no
[06:42] <gnomefreak> kicker only hides it doesnt go away but i will work with it later i have to run out now
[06:42] <Jucato> gnomefreak: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Secret+Config+Settings#_Getting_Rid_of_The_Panel
[06:42] <gnomefreak> ty
[06:42] <Jucato> :)
[06:42] <Jucato> nice contentless ping, btw
[08:38] <manchicken> Riddell: You there?
[09:08] <manchicken> Riddell: You about?  I'd really like to have a chat about the adept_batch changes.
[09:08] <manchicken> i've got a GLUG meeting in less than an hour though.
[09:59] <allee> Lure: about kaffeine/amarok.  Isn't there a Priority file for desktop files?
[10:10] <Lure> allee: no clue about that - Tonio is working on that...
[10:11] <allee> Lure: sorry, I thought you are due to the wiki text change
[10:12] <gnomefreak> who is resonsible for kooldock
[10:24] <Riddell> hi manchicken_
[10:27] <mhb> kwwii: sorry about the delay, it's weekend :o)
[10:29] <Riddell> manchicken_: adept_batch should just quit once it's finished installing the packages.  it shouldn't do anything else, just quit
[10:31] <manchicken_> Riddell: Oh.  That's pretty easy.
[10:31] <Riddell> manchicken: the point is that adept_batch is only ever called from scripts, so it's the job of the script to tell you if it got installed ok or not
[10:32] <manchicken> I'm wondering if it should say "Done" first.
[10:33] <Riddell> nope
[10:33] <Riddell> we considered it, but it's the job of the script that runs adept_batch to keep the user informed
[10:33] <manchicken> No?  Okie dokie.
[10:33] <manchicken> I was concerned that that it just going away would make people think that it had crashed.
[10:35] <Riddell> there's all of one script that uses it, so we have all the use cases covered :)
[10:36] <manchicken> heh
[10:36] <manchicken> Okie dokie.
[10:36] <manchicken> I'll exit afterwards.
[10:37] <manchicken> The tooltip thing is hating me right now.
[10:39] <gnomefreak> manchicken: dont feel bad kde hates my guts today
[10:39] <manchicken> heh
[10:41] <gnomefreak> this might sound stupid after my last comment but Riddell so far most everything works in 3.5.6 ;)
[10:43] <Riddell> gnomefreak: edgy or feisty?
[10:43] <gnomefreak> feisty
[10:44] <gnomefreak> will testt edgy starting sometime in the next week
[10:44] <mhb> well I'd love to get that Kopete bubble bug fixed
[10:46] <gnomefreak> hmm wonders if i should try building the latest version
[10:46] <kwwii> mhb: do you know where the config for a user set polyester is?
[10:46] <gnomefreak> Riddell: are we looking at adding kooldock 4.x into feisty?
[10:47] <kwwii> mhb: I want to find the file that determines what I have changed on my local machine
[10:47] <kwwii> I turned off the glassy menubar in apps
[10:48] <Riddell> kwwii: ~/.qt ?
[10:48] <kwwii> and turned off the grey stripe on the menus
[10:48] <kwwii> Riddell: yeah, thanks
[10:48] <kwwii> I looked everywhere in .kde :p
[10:49] <mhb> kwwii: have you tried qtcurve yet?
[10:49] <kwwii> Riddell: so can we test using polyester with these settings and a new color scheme (less saturated purple for the selection/scroll bar)
[10:50] <kwwii> mhb: nope, haven't tried it yet
[10:50] <kwwii> just installed this machine a few days ago
[10:53] <kwwii> Riddell: just sent you an email with the idea and the files
[11:02] <manchicken> Riddell: What do you think about adding backup stuff to the installer?
[11:05] <manchicken> Riddell: I've seen an increase in people who're focusing so much on neat stuff that they forget about backing up, and they end up SOL when something bad happens.
[11:09] <Riddell> manchicken: backing up what?
[11:09] <manchicken> The /home tree particularly.
[11:15] <Riddell> manchicken: a port of home user backup to KDE would be nice
[11:15] <Riddell> not sure it needs integrating into a package manager
[11:17] <fdoving> a nice thing is to include /var/backups/ :)
[11:18] <gnomefreak> btw guys kxdocker is still broken. been that way since dapper
[11:18] <gnomefreak> iirc
[11:39] <manchicken> Riddell: I'm thinking it might be good to have that as an extra tab in the installer.
[11:39] <manchicken> Maybe like on the last page have alist of "things you may want to do" checkboxes.
[11:47] <manchicken> Riddell: adept_batch changes are done.
[11:48] <manchicken> I decided to use signals and slots rather than just closing in line, just to make it a little more extendable in the future.
[11:49] <manchicken> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~manchicken/adept/adept-batch-finish/
[11:58] <Riddell> manchicken: excellent
[11:59] <Riddell> Zerlinna: should I announce kubuntu-de.org on the kubuntu.org front page?
[11:59] <Zerlinna> Riddell: ah wait a bit for that
[12:00] <Zerlinna> Riddell: I should send you a mail before that :D
[12:14] <ryanakca> manchicken / Adept people: http://pastebin.ca/322657    error upgrading to kde 3.5.6 today... It's fixed according to (lost link)... sudo rm /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/128x128/actions/adept_notifier_warning.png  ?
[12:16] <gnomefreak> ryanakca: sudo dpkg -i --froce-overwrite worked for me
[12:16] <gnomefreak> force*
[12:16] <ryanakca> kk