=== guglielf [n=guglielf@unaffiliated/guglielf] has left #kubuntu-devel ["adieu..."] [12:17] hmmmmm that seems way broken [12:17] kyamo seems to be having all kinds of problems [12:18] version 0.13.99+0.2a-0ubuntu4 cancel is spelled wrong its spelled chancel and it hangs only way to kill it is kill -9 pid [12:18] maybe killall too didnt try [12:19] and used over 90% cpu [12:19] do i file 2 reports or do you want them all on one? [12:23] Sime, sebas: I commited a little patch for kde-systemsettings and gtk-qt-engines addition under appearance, if you want to sync that to svn, you'll find the patch in the debian source package... [12:29] filed 2 to be safe ;) === Parkotron [n=parker@dyn129-100-97-216.bc.uwo.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:43] Tonio_: have you had trouble with your upload of knm at all? === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:47] ah ha.... [12:48] that's....very odd. === rdorsch [n=rdorsch@12.170.118.2] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@73.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:12] Tonio_: for compiling plugins, kane said. guess he was working on one [01:13] Riddell: ah okay ;) [01:13] Riddell: final attept to fix kdebluetooth [01:13] Tonio_: what needs doing to it? [01:13] Riddell: I added the new knm patch, and sent comment to mbiebl with a few suggestions of how implementing his changes better [01:13] Riddell: that should allow to manage enable/disable better === Hobbsee cant seem to connect to a wireless network now, unless she types in all the details manually [01:14] Riddell: dunhandler.desktop file is still crappy with the ubuntu changes during the build [01:14] Riddell: adding new blank line via a patch fails, so I'm changing the file via a makebuilddir rule [01:14] Riddell: should work this time [01:14] next I'm fixing kds for katapult autostart [01:15] Riddell: if that work would you agree providing a backport or fix for knm ? [01:15] edgy is higly affected by this systray issue [01:16] and perform a ps aux | grep network && kill UID is way to hard for my girlfriend :) [01:16] which systray issue? [01:16] Riddell: when the session management restores knm, sometimes it simply fails, icon doesn't respond and disappears [01:17] but the process is still there and the problem will rehappen at next login [01:17] charming [01:17] Riddell: confirmed on several distros, so mbiebl patched to remove the session management thing and change the autostart behavior [01:18] Riddell: I can confirm that bug, although I could restart it, that not very easy for average joe [01:18] oh, cool, we'd I'd support SRU, and I think mithrandir should even be responsive to processing them [01:18] xdg-utils got into -proposed after 6 weeks yesterday [01:18] Riddell: I'll upload digikam fixed to -proposed today too [01:18] cjwatson agreed on rationale [01:18] Tonio_: remind me again which that was? [01:19] showfoto cannot be installed, due to file conflict in the package splitting [01:19] my packaging issue [01:19] ah [01:19] sru bug is there for 2 month, but nobody took care untill I finally ping cjwatson yesterday [01:19] lots of people are complaining about this [01:20] Riddell: did you change cdbs somehow ? [01:20] Riddell: I cannot compile kdebluetooth anymore : [01:20] dh_install: kdebluetooth missing files (debian/tmp/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdebluetooth/*), aborting [01:20] there is no docs in the tarball, so I don't understand [01:20] and it previously built successfully === rdorsch [n=rdorsch@12.170.118.115] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:21] hum, that kdebluetooth.install..... okay [01:22] when was that changed ???? last upload is mine, I don't understand [01:22] well I'll fix and upload, that's it [01:25] you can copy kde.mk locally to the package and edit it and just include the local one [01:28] Riddell: yeah but that's a .install file issue in fact... I'm just building a fixed version [01:28] katapult is building too, and then I'll fix kds === orkid [n=orkid@bas1-barrie18-1242375025.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-18-234.col.wideopenwest.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong_ is now known as jdong|laptop === bddebian [n=bddebian@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:41] Riddell: about that kmenu/configuration/hplip thing, should we hide that in kde ? [01:41] or simply split to have that removed by default [01:41] the kmenu is totally broken in feisty [01:41] as is kcontrol [01:42] hu ? [01:42] not sure why, we havn't changed anything [01:42] Riddell: I just fixed gtk-qt-engines, so it look okay here, on a defualt profile [01:42] only that hplip thing needs to be removed or moved behind system probably [01:42] there's a Lost and Found menu and two Settings menus [01:42] hu ????? [01:42] Riddell: not on a default profile afaik [01:43] let me test [01:43] was true on the herd 2 CD [01:43] hum, I'm testing [01:45] Riddell: it is okay here, no lost and found [01:45] Riddell: concerning the setting thing, that's due to that hplip thing, now gtk-qt-engines is fixed [01:45] Riddell: I would like to package this, but I think it is also installed in ubuntu right ? [01:45] s/package/patch [01:46] once done we'll have a clean kmenu, since everything is now clean [01:47] gtk-qt-engine isn't installed in ubuntu [01:47] how's your kcontrol? [01:48] Riddell: no I was talking about the hplip thing, should be installed in ubuntu, so I can't patch the desktop file, that's my problem :) [01:48] let me look at kcontrol [01:48] hum, the wine config thing should be hidden if not working.... I'll patch this [01:49] Tonio_: leave it, consensus seems to be that it's working [01:49] Riddell: bah, kcontrol look okay here [01:49] although I think it should disable itself if wine isn't installed [01:49] Riddell: well I can't start it :) [01:49] ah ? needs wine to be installed ? [01:49] oh, well poke sebas or Sime to fix it then [01:49] should be in a sepera package then, depending wine and guidance no ? [01:49] it shouldn't need wine to be installed, just doesn't make much sense without it [01:50] Riddell: well I can't start it here... === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEEB08.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:50] I don't think so, I'm happy for it to be there, if it works [01:51] Traceback (most recent call last): [01:51] File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/wineconfig.py", line 1460, in [01:51] class AppearancePage(QWidget): [01:51] File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/wineconfig.py", line 1463, in AppearancePage [01:51] colorschemes = [str(i18n("Custom"))] [01:51] UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xe9' in position 11: ordinal not in range(128) [01:51] that's the traceback [01:51] when running kcmshell System/wineconfig [01:52] maybe that an issue with french language, can you confirm it works for you ? [01:53] Riddell: but appart from that, kcontrol look okay here... [01:53] maybe that's just 3.5.6 I don't know === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.176.133] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:54] hum, kdebluetooth fixed and this time it works, nice ;) uploaded [01:54] kds uploaded too with katapult removal, and I'm about to upload katapult [01:54] Tonio_: Can you email me a backtrace, I'll see what I can do then [01:55] sebas: sure [01:55] Thanks [01:55] sebas: I searched google for that issue, but it looks like a nightmare to fix :) [01:55] When I'm at it, I can add a check if wine is installed as well, I guess [01:55] It shouldn't be, the rest of guidance works fine with that kind of encoding crap as well [01:55] sebas: your email ? sebas@kde.org ? [01:55] y [01:57] sebas: email is sent [01:59] Tonio_, pong [02:00] Mez: hey ;) forget about kxmame for xmess, only command line works [02:00] in fact kxmame considers only systems that don't require a rom to work [02:01] Mez: to launch properly a snes game, you need to get the snes bios from there : [02:01] http://mess.slor.net/ [02:01] then unzip the file in the bios folder of mess (defined in /etc/xmame/xmessrc) [02:01] then to launch a game, use this command : [02:02] xmess snes -cart "/full/path/to/the/rom.zip" [02:02] that should work [02:02] then press to configure joysticks etc... [02:02] I really think about a good frontend for xmess, that would be usefull, since config is just a pure mess [02:03] Mez: NEVER type man xmess :) [02:03] more options than openvpn or openswan to what I've seen :) [02:04] so I may start a frontend in python in the future, as I really want to learn python/pykde [02:15] imbrandon: ping me when you've fixed your repos :) === sebas gets some sleep [02:17] Got you email, thanks Tonio_ [02:17] sebas: your servant :) [02:18] =) === vinboy_ [n=vinboy@125-236-159-148.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:41] Riddell: I change the kubuntu_multimedia spec status to "implemented", as you fixed kaffeine, everything is now done, implemented, and known to work [02:42] rocking [02:42] top stuff Tonio_ [02:44] Riddell: bah it was done for a while :) I should have closed the spec sooner, but well "zelda twilight princess" was out so....... [02:44] ^^ [02:44] that made away from kubuntu for a few weeks [02:45] now I'm back ! [02:45] Riddell: that's my problem, I love video games as much as linux........ and days are only 24 hours [02:46] Tonio_, katapult no longer in the session / [02:46] Mez: no we will use an autostart thing [02:46] session in kds is causing problems sometimes when ~/ are merged with kds ones [02:46] thats gonna piss off some users [02:47] why ? [02:47] those who don't want katapult started ? they can uninstall it :) [02:48] or echo "Autostart: false" >> ~/..../katapultrc [02:48] Mez: note that the autostart via sessions thing did fail for me on several installations, I had to manually start it.... [02:48] that also pissed me off :) [02:49] Mez: not that much users complain about kdebluetooth or adept-notifier that also starts via /usr/share/autostart [02:49] Tonio_, cept katapult will now display apopup [02:49] whereas it didnt on session restor [02:50] display a popup ? which way and when ? [02:50] ah yes........ [02:51] well I can disable this in kds, but in a certain way that's nice === manchicken [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:51] lots of users discovering kubuntu are not aware of it, so let then know when kde launches is not that bad, no ? [02:52] well we can see feedback and change that before release, we have time, but I'm not sure lots of people will complain [02:52] Mez: on laptops with bluetooth you get a kdebluetooth popup at every boot, nobody complains.... [02:52] it is just a 1 sec thing [02:52] lol [02:53] and in my opinion that's nice for new users [02:53] Mez: what I'm not a fan is that we hide the icon in the systray [02:53] that's make it a PAIN for those you want to configure it [02:53] who knows about the alt+space and ctrl+C thing ? !! [02:54] Tonio_, blame Riddell [02:54] if I had to choose I would had that icon back.... [02:54] It's his fault [02:54] Tonio_, WASNT MY CHOICE [02:54] I want it on [02:54] Mez: yeah I know Riddell hates systray things,.... [02:54] sorry bout caps [02:54] Mez: I know [02:54] Riddell: please !!!!!!! === rideout [n=rideout@71-215-81-103.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:55] Mez: good implementation would be autostart -> no popup -> icon in the systray [02:55] Tonio_, executive descision ? [02:55] Mez: new users would figure out katapult, and Riddell could hide the icon :) [02:55] Mez: propose that for the next meeting, we'll vote on that point :) [02:55] Tonio_, my point indeed [02:55] whens the next meeting [02:55] Riddell can use his "dfl" veto, but he generally respects votes :) [02:56] with icon in the systray, there is no need for a popup for people to figure out katapult exists.... [02:57] and I don't see the problem to let people right click on the icon and click "hide" [02:57] windows systray is nice on that point [02:57] you can hide things, but you have a little arrow to show all hiden ones.... [02:57] that WAY better than kde one, where hidden means "unaccessible" [02:58] Mez: don't you think ? [02:58] "dfl" ? [02:58] dictator for life :) [02:58] lol [02:58] he his the boss, so even if we have a council, he has the final decision [02:58] but thats mark [02:58] which is normal btw === Mez wants to eb part of the kubuntu council [02:59] Mez: mark doesn't take any decisions for kde [02:59] Mez: we'll we are going to renew the council in may [02:59] Mez: depends if people still want me or not :) [02:59] Tonio_, why wouldnt they [02:59] Mez: but the idea is to rotate positions [02:59] Mez: because the point is not to keep the same people :) [02:59] Tonio_, I was just gonna say that though [03:00] I think the current choices are good [03:00] well of course a few people will stay, but not everyone, I may not even apply, I don't know [03:01] in any case the council is not everything, the communauty also votes, the council is just there in case no decision comes along [03:02] so I wouldn't have any issue not beeing in the council anymore, despite I like it ;) [03:04] feisty will probably be the first really mature version of kubuntu, that's the cool point [03:05] it is already better than edgy [03:05] and time to polish and fix bugs [03:12] Riddell: concerning the HPLIP thing, the only solution I can see is to patch to provide 2 desktop files, once for gnome with onlyshowin gnome and create a new one for kde.... [03:12] Riddell: are you okay on that point ? [03:16] Tonio_, should I upgrade then ? [03:17] Mez: I would say yes [03:17] Mez: lots of critical issues like knm crashing are resolved in feisty [03:17] depends on your usage, but in my opinion, that more stable [03:17] Tonio_, is this fixed? [03:17] Mez: the problem is that it can crash tomorrow :) [03:17] X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168 [03:17] Major opcode: 148 [03:17] Minor opcode: 3 [03:17] Resource id: 0x0 [03:17] Failed to open device [03:18] Tonio_, I know enough to fix it though [03:18] Mez: the knm frozen on systray ? yeah I merged debian patches yesterday for this issue [03:18] Mez: what is that issue ? [03:18] Mez: I'm talking about the session restore thing that makes knm crash on session restore [03:23] lol [03:23] I've never used knm [03:31] Mez: hehe [03:31] Tonio_, @ what ? [03:32] that you never used it, you're wrong, it is a very nice peace of software ;) [03:32] although aseigo hates it [03:33] Mez: the bad device thing, isn't that just the wacom cleaning in xorg.conf requirede ? [03:33] required ? [03:33] Tonio_, ah probably [03:34] Mez: yeah that drives me nuts........ I can't wait for a "autoconfig" xorg..... [03:34] hmm .... [03:34] should be at the end of the year === Mez is reading planet gnome [03:35] Tonio_, fancy looking at somehting in revu ? [03:35] Mez: sure [03:35] oh wait [03:35] it's got 2 comments [03:36] Mez: but I don't revu gnome stuff, as I'm not very aware of gnome specific packaging :) [03:36] Tonio_, it's not even gnome ;) [03:36] it's fltk [03:36] lol [03:36] but I've had a couple of comments [03:37] okay [03:37] ping me in the future if you need revu [03:40] Tonio_, I'll ping you in a mo [03:41] I'm happy with it [03:41] it's had lots of reviews [03:41] if you're happy I'ma gonna upload it [03:41] (seeing as you're -core-dev [03:42] Mez: well that's for universe right ? you can upload it if you're a motu :) [03:43] yeah i know [03:43] but - I want to see your review of it first ;) [03:43] I trust you'll make sure you pint out anything obvious [03:43] Mez: hehe okay :) [03:43] then I'll upload if you say theres nothing wrong with it [03:43] only issue is man pages [03:43] which i aintwriting [03:43] Mez: well I'm not the hardest reviewer out there [03:44] get Daniel revuing it, and have fun :) === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-52-113.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:52] loargh [03:52] I just uploaded to ubuntu anyways [03:52] accident [03:53] http://kde-apps.org/content/download.php?content=51747&id=1 [03:54] i WANT that in the repos [03:54] the really missing in konqueror, and kget is completly crappy [03:54] let package it ;) === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121oil.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:56] Tonio_, joint packaging ? [03:57] what does "joint" me ? [03:58] means [03:58] sorry I'm tired :) [03:59] collaborative === Jucato_ [n=jucato@124.106.176.133] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:01] Mez: with ? are you interested ? [04:01] nvm [04:02] Tonio_, https://launchpad.net/edgy-backports/+bug/80579 [04:02] Malone bug 80579 in edgy-backports "backport kxmame" [Undecided,In progress] [04:03] Mez: perfect thanks ! [04:03] w00t! Hacking time. [04:04] manchicken, ? [04:04] Mez: are you motu ? I should have finished the packaging in a moment, just a man to write :) [04:05] Tonio_, yes :d [04:05] hence my upload just now [04:05] hehe okay [04:05] nostromo_1.3-0ubuntu1_source.changes is NEW [04:06] Mez: I'm hacking adept ^_^ [04:06] manchicken, woo [04:06] Tonio_, i'm a lot of things [04:06] http://launchpad.net/~mez/ [04:07] https://launchpad.net/~tonio/ [04:07] you win................... [04:07] Tonio_, I'm thinking about keeping the katapult debian dir in BZR ... [04:07] manchicken: very nice [04:07] seeing as it's you an i who make the most changes to it - you happy with that ? [04:08] manchicken: aren't you the guy I discussed here when you came in first asking what needed coding on kubuntu ? [04:08] Mez: hum... bzr is too slow actually in my opinion [04:08] Tonio_, ? [04:08] Mez: we manage kds in bzr, but I don't much like it [04:08] I like it [04:08] and it's easier [04:08] Tonio_: Yeah. [04:09] manchicken: hehe, cool :) for once someone asks what to do and does it :) [04:09] manchicken: generally, it always ends at the first step :) [04:09] Mez: well easier, but longer since it doules the job [04:09] Tonio_: Riddell showed me the adept specs, and I've got one of them implemented already. [04:09] bzr bind ;) [04:09] I got the main package indicator thing done. [04:09] Mez: and at the moment I don't see the benefit [04:10] It's in my bzr if you want... [04:10] manchicken: yeah I've seen this :) [04:10] Ah, yeah. jr committed it. [04:10] Tonio_, i have to maintian in ubuntu and debian [04:10] that's cool since mornfall seems to have abandonned adept... [04:10] i like to easily sync changelogs from ubuntu to debian [04:10] Mez: in that case yes, maybe that can be usefull [04:10] He seems interested in what I'm doing with it though. [04:10] I'm interested in his feedback. [04:11] Tonio_, plus all the katapult dev is done in bzr anyways [04:11] Mez: on that point I'm okay, in that specific case it makes sense [04:11] Mez: but the best is to put the debian folder in the source no ? [04:11] sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/katapult/debian [04:11] that's even simpler :) [04:12] Tonio_, no cause that makes it a debian native package :D [04:12] and causes problems on using my release scripts [04:12] ah ok [04:13] Mez: didn't knew you used scripts, that's the reason [04:13] my release scripts made in ruby ;) [04:13] lol [04:13] Mez: bah that's cool :) [04:13] Mez: don't laught, but I generally script with php-cli [04:13] lol [04:13] nah [04:13] php is cool [04:13] I'm probably the only sysadmin in the world using this :) [04:13] hence my mez@php.net email [04:14] yeah but not that commonly used for admin scripting [04:14] https://code.launchpad.net/~katapult-dev/+branch/katapult/release_scripts [04:14] package done.... 19 minutes [04:14] apologies for all the cruft in the debian dir ;) [04:14] Tonio_, lol [04:14] that's not good, my record is 14 [04:15] cdbs ? :P === hunger_t [n=tobias@p54A73C98.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:15] hehe of course :) [04:16] Tonio_, should i release 0.4 beta ? [04:16] (katapult) [04:19] Mez: bah why not ! === vinboy [n=vinboy@125-236-159-148.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:13] Riddell: You there? I'm trying to figure out exactly what user experience to go for here. [05:20] Awful quiet for a Friday night. [05:22] I think it's 4:00 AM of a Saturday for him [05:22] Weaksauce ;) === rdorsch [n=rdorsch@12.170.118.115] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:35] @time NZ [05:35] Current time in NZ: January 20 2007, 17:35:16 [05:35] @time New Zealand === Jucato waits... [05:51] I've got 2251 [05:52] Mez: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=14115 [05:52] Mez: watch this !!!!!! [05:52] that's what we need ! [05:52] Tonio_, package away [05:52] Mez: looks like there is a debian packlage somewhere..... [05:53] Mez: and this thing is stable, great [05:53] lol [05:53] there's an ubuntu package, it seems [05:53] and maintained ! [05:55] Jucato, in the archive ? [05:55] I just hope it is not a xmess only frontend..... I'd like if it could use other emulators, like snes9x or others... [05:55] not. the kde-apps page [05:55] Mez: no but upstream provides a ubuntu package [05:55] that's cool :) [05:56] Tonio_, then poke it m ake sure it's ok - put in archive [05:57] sure [05:59] grrrrrrrrrrrrr that's a kommander script....... [06:01] well it's easy to package, that's not the point, but I HATE kommander [06:14] Why doesn't Riddell get up early in the morning to answer all my questions? [06:15] hehe [06:16] manchicken: probably same reason you don't stay up late to be able to ask those questions when he's awake? [06:16] :P [06:16] I do. [06:16] I'll probably be up to 0200 Chicago time tonight for that very reason ^_^ [06:17] it's just 11:15PM CST, right? === Mez [n=Mez@synergy.sourceguru.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:23] hahaha [06:23] fglrx problems again === MrWGW [n=nondiscl@cpe-75-85-97-183.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:35] Yay! Garbage drivers. :( [06:35] I was very disappointed when I tried fglrx. === _Sime [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:36] it worked quite well for me in edgy [06:42] Tonio_, what was that link again ? [06:42] http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=14115 [06:42] ? [06:43] but I'm testing something else -> XE [06:43] multi machines emulator, for linux, but non free [06:43] works pretty nicelly, and is super easy to configure [06:43] the only problem is that I have no sound [06:44] the good thing is that you don't have anything to configure, just open a rom and it auto select the good module, that's cool [06:45] Tonio_, that links got a quite nice menu [06:45] Mez: yes but that's kommander.... [06:46] Tonio_, ? [06:46] yes ? [06:46] ? [06:46] don't you just love questions marks? :) [06:48] Tonio_, where does kommander come into it [06:49] Mez: you have kommander files for the ui [06:49] it depends on kommander, I tried it, beleive me ;) [06:49] hmm [06:49] this is nice [06:49] it gets the bioses for you [06:50] though kxmame isnt finding a bloody thing for me [07:01]