[12:15] <amI64ornot> DeadFishMan: This machine is 3-4 years old. A processor like this isn't expensive today.
[12:15] <yappo_> deadfishman_its still saying connecting
[12:15] <DjDarkman> hy ,is there something wrong with the newest xorg ?
[12:15] <DeadFishMan> amI64ornot: Well, they are where I live. And with rent, kids and the rest of my life, I can't really afford such hardware upgrades :)
[12:16] <BluesKaj> what are the card readers like memory stick called in kubuntu ?
[12:16] <amI64ornot> DeadFishMan: Do what I did, just tell the kids that there won't be any new clothes for a while... :-)
[12:16] <Xeronis> don't suppose anyone knows whether kubuntu supports netgear wg311v3 wireless card?
[12:17] <DeadFishMan> yappo_: If it is not a firewall, then it could be something on your setup. Do you use DSL connection? If so, is there any kind of router that also doubles as a firewall or something along these lines?
[12:18] <DeadFishMan> amI64ornot: I would do such a thing gladly, but then my wife would have THAT talk with me, you know? :P
[12:18] <BluesKaj> !ndsiwrapper
[12:18] <ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[12:18] <yappo_> deadfishman_i stay in an apartment so their main network server may have a firewall, didn't think about that
[12:18] <DeadFishMan> !ndiswrapper |  BluesKaj
[12:18] <ubotwo>  BluesKaj: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:19] <amI64ornot> DeadFishMan: Yeah, I know. Good thing my wife needs the computer as much as I do so there really wasn't much choice when our last one "burned up".
[12:19] <BluesKaj> oops wrong spelling
[12:20] <DeadFishMan> amI64ornot: You're lucky. My wife sees the computer as something useful every once in a while to access Orkut and talk with her relatives on MSN :)
[12:20] <BluesKaj> Xeronis, http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/02/msg02514.html...this may help
[12:21] <DeadFishMan> yappo_: Yep. That's a good start...
[12:21] <BluesKaj> wifey has her own old 366mhz HP pavilion which likes just fine
[12:21] <Xeronis> thanks, i'll take a look
[12:21] <amI64ornot> DeadFishMan: lucky as in "won't have access to the computer for a while since wife needs it for something", then yes, I'm lucky.
[12:21] <BluesKaj> still chugging along
[12:21] <juliax> ciao a tutti
[12:21] <specialbuddy1> what's a good program for using wireless?
[12:21] <juliax> ci sn italiani?
[12:22] <DeadFishMan> amI64ornot: Been there, done that. :)
[12:22] <juliax> ci sono italiani?
[12:22] <amI64ornot> juliax: no.
[12:22] <amI64ornot> !it
[12:22] <ubotwo> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:22] <juliax> there are italian person?
[12:22] <DeadFishMan> BluesKaj: I'd be happy to have such machine and let wife and kids take care of the main computer whenever they want. My needs are pretty simple :)
[12:23] <juliax> why?
[12:23] <scifi> is there an easy webserver/mysql installation package for kubuntu?
[12:23] <juliax> why there arent italian?
[12:23] <specialbuddy1> what's a good program for finding wireless networks
[12:23] <amI64ornot> juliax: they're in the italian channel
[12:24] <amI64ornot> !it
[12:24] <ubotwo> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:24] <BluesKaj> yeah , well i have the burn dvd and cd and scan and print duties in our household ...wife emails and plays solitaire mostly on hers :)
[12:24] <BluesKaj> !wireless
[12:24] <ubotwo> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:25] <scifi> anyone?
[12:26] <amI64ornot> scifi: not that I know of. It's fairly simple to install them separatly though.
[12:26] <DeadFishMan> BluesKaj: I see... But I'm some sort of old fart when it comes to Linux, so I can use an flat window manager such as icewm or Windowmaker, use aterm as terminal, bitchx as irc client and other small X utilities and console tools
[12:26] <BluesKaj> !server
[12:26] <ubotwo> Ubuntu Server Edition is a release of Ubuntu designed especially for server environments. The default install includes a server kernel and no GUI. The install CD contains many server applications. Current stable version is 6.06 LTS. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerFaq/
[12:26] <DeadFishMan> BluesKaj: And whenever I need the workhorse, I could login remotely using SSH or FreeNX... :)
[12:27] <DeadFishMan> BluesKaj: So your wife's machine covers my needs pretty well...
[12:28] <BluesKaj> cool DeadFishMan , I'm an old fart who's relatively new to linux , about 6mos continuous but I see the potential for the old pc to concverted to linux as well
[12:29] <BluesKaj> but her fav solitaire program is windows only and 'wine' has me befuddled
[12:29] <BluesKaj> FreeNX ?
[12:30] <LjL> BluesKaj: blaaaah, we've got more solitaires than we've got pixels in both gnome and kde!
[12:30] <charlie5> DeadFishMan: OS seems to recognise the usb hardrive as a device ... i have /dev/sdb, /dev/sdb1, /dev/sdb2, /dev/sdb4, etc
[12:30] <BluesKaj> hehe LjL
[12:30] <DeadFishMan> BluesKaj: Think of it as Terminal Services for Linux, but better... :)
[12:30] <BluesKaj> remote server ?
[12:30] <charlie5> DeadFishMan: ... but there are no entrys in /etc/fstab for them, and i'm not sure how to make them
[12:31] <DeadFishMan> charlie5: /dev/sdb is the device. /dev/sdb1, sdb2 and sdb4 are the partitions that you have on it.
[12:31] <scifi> !apache
[12:31] <ubotwo> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[12:31] <DeadFishMan> BluesKaj: Yep. If you ever used MS Remote Desktop Connection, then you'll know what it is...
[12:31] <sfPavel> hey there
[12:31] <sfPavel> can anyone help me with somthing
[12:32] <sfPavel> its really important
[12:32] <amI64ornot> !ask
[12:32] <ubotwo> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:32] <cpk1> charlie5: usb devices dont have to be in fstab to be mounted, things that are in the fstab just get automounted at boot
[12:32] <sfPavel> how do i go to text mode when installing kubuntu after booting from the live CD
[12:32] <DeadFishMan> charlie5: If you have QTParted installed, you could see those partitions in details and then enter the appropriate entries on fstab
[12:32] <sfPavel> not the DVD
[12:33] <sfPavel> i want to install it on a laptop but its really slow in graphics mode and it kinda gets hung
[12:33] <cpk1> he shouldnt need the uuid he should be able to put them into fstab just using /dev/sdb# or whatever
[12:33] <charlie5> cpk1: thanks
[12:33] <tehpwn> Got my PC upstairs and the wireless is working great!
[12:34] <charlie5> DeadFishMan: if i manually add the usb partitions to fstab, will that interfere with the automounting ?
[12:34] <amI64ornot> sfPavel: Get the alternate-cd and do a server install and then install kubuntu-desktop?
[12:34] <sfPavel> i wish i could do that
[12:34] <sfPavel> but i dont have anymore blanks left
[12:34] <charlie5> DeadFishMan: ... or does it not do the automount if it finds entrys in the fstab, maybe
[12:34] <DeadFishMan> charlie5: It should not do such thing. But if it ever does, just remove the entries that you put in there. That should fix it.
[12:34] <sfPavel> and the DVDunit on the laptop is screwd
[12:34] <tehpwn> So now I would like to install iTunes... Any guru's willing to assist?
[12:35] <sfPavel> i mean it doesnt read DVDs
[12:35] <bxnp> tehpwn, you are back
[12:35] <sfPavel> dont know why
[12:35] <bxnp> is your wifi still working
[12:35] <bxnp> itumes
[12:35] <bxnp> itunes
[12:35] <tehpwn> Yes it is! If you didn't get my last message, THANK YOU!!!
[12:35] <cpk1> tehpwn: err why get itunes?
[12:35] <bxnp> try songbird tehpwn
[12:35] <tehpwn> because my cousin uses this PC also, and he has an ipod... Is there a better solution?
[12:35] <bxnp> amarok
[12:36] <bxnp> works good but i dont know with an ipod
[12:36] <tehpwn> Does songbird transfer to iPod's?
[12:36] <bxnp> dunno google on it
[12:36] <cpk1> amarok should work with ipods
[12:36] <bxnp> google is your friend
[12:36] <tehpwn> Well, then that's why I want iTunes :-p
[12:36] <amI64ornot> sfPavel: sorry, can't help you then. perhaps someone else will.
[12:36] <tehpwn> actually im at google right now
[12:36] <DeadFishMan> tehpwn: iTunes is not a native app, so you will have to emulate it. Details here: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=1347
[12:36] <cpk1> tehpwn: amarok should be able to interface with ipods
[12:36] <tehpwn> Ok, I'll take a look deadfishman
[12:36] <DeadFishMan> tehpwn: But why don't you give Amarok or RhytmBox a try?
[12:37] <tehpwn> Do they transfer to iTunes? Because that's all I care about, as long as it works.
[12:37] <tehpwn> I mean iPod*
[12:37] <charlie5> DeadFishMan: thanks for your help, i'll try adding them now ... do the same options apply for usb drives as internal drives (ie nouser,defaults,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 2)
[12:37] <tehpwn> transfer to ipod
[12:38] <DeadFishMan> tehpwn: Yes, they do. Also there is another app called gtkpod that you may want to take a look
[12:38] <jdfellow> i need help with sound problem
[12:38] <tehpwn> gtkpod, awesome thanks.
[12:38] <sfPavel> how do i install kubuntu in text mode from the boot menu if the text mode option isn't available there?
[12:39] <cpk1> tehpwn: try amarok first it is a really good music player
[12:39] <tehpwn> Oops, I just realized I forgot to plug in my backup hdd to get all of my mp3's off of it. I'll be back soon.
[12:39] <tehpwn> Ok
[12:39] <cpk1> tehpwn: and should fit all your needs for music
[12:39] <pleasehelp> is there anyone around who can solve a sound problem
[12:39] <tehpwn> Sweet, I'll have a look see when I get the hdd installed
[12:39] <tehpwn> brb
[12:40] <cpk1> pleasehelp: just ask the question
[12:40] <pleasehelp> i have several times but here it goes
[12:40] <sfPavel> how do i install kubuntu in text mode from the boot menu if the text mode option isn't available there?
[12:41] <pleasehelp> sound works fine in wine applications like winamp but vlc kaffeine mplayer play streams with a jerky sound when i restart the computer everything is fine
[12:41] <pleasehelp> and sound plays fine in flash apps like videogoogle any ideas
[12:42] <pleasehelp> hello cpkl you still here
[12:43] <DeadFishMan> pleasehelp: See which backend the KDE applications are trying to use. If they are trying to use aRTS, that could be the problem as aRTS can be a memory hog...
[12:43] <cpk1> are you sure all the wine procs are stopped?
[12:43] <cpk1> is the sound doubleframing?
[12:43] <pleasehelp> i have disabled arts at least i think it is this problem only started recently how would i check this out?
[12:43] <DeadFishMan> pleasehelp: You can try to disable KDE Sound System in the Control Center to bypass aRTS completely and use straight ALSA as sound backend
[12:44] <BluesKaj> pleasehelp, you don't need winamp in linux to run wma , just make sure you mplayer plugin installed , http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/
[12:44] <pleasehelp> i think it is already disabled
[12:44] <pleasehelp> i am using alsa
[12:44] <sfPavel> how do i install kubuntu in text mode from the boot menu if the text mode option isn't available there?
[12:44] <pleasehelp> w/ vlc mplayer and kaffeine
[12:45] <DeadFishMan> The apps that you mentioned usually try to use OSS as backend, so try to change, say, Amarok to use OSS as backend and test again
[12:45] <pleasehelp> soundsystme is not enabled
[12:45] <pleasehelp> will do
[12:46] <scifi> how do i prevent apache from listening for incoming connections?
[12:46] <pleasehelp> it could be a memory problem but i have 750 megs of ram  but you are right something is using a lot of memory but i can't figure out what
[12:46] <tehpwn> So I have my backup hdd installed now but it's not letting me open it...?
[12:47] <pleasehelp> when i run ksysguard it reports a large part of the memory is bein used
[12:47] <dbglt> is there a way to force an install of a package (using either dpkg or apt), ignorning *all* dependencies?
[12:47] <pleasehelp> sound plays fine for about 3 secs jerks and plays again for 3 secs ...
[12:48] <DeadFishMan> pleasehelp: Linux Virtual Memory Manager uses memory a bit different of Windows. It caches as much memory as it can in order to use, but it appears as the memory is all taken up.
[12:48] <pleasehelp> tried oss and alsa same thing
[12:49] <tehpwn> Ok, how do I get my old mp3's off of the backup hard drive??
[12:49] <genii> scifi Well apache has to attach to some ip. If you only wish it to respond to localhost or some, look at /etc/apache2/ports.conf and put something like 127.0.0.1:80
[12:49] <tehpwn> It's not letting me open it..
[12:49] <scifi> genii: thx yeh i just want it as a local development/test we
[12:49] <cpk1> pleasehelp: try using mpg123-alsa from the command line
[12:49] <scifi> genii: .....server
[12:50] <cpk1> tehpwn: is it mounted?
[12:50] <pleasehelp> hello DeadfishMan still need help any other ideas tried your5 suggestion
[12:50] <CVirus> !skype
[12:50] <ubotwo> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype  -  To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[12:51] <DeadFishMan> tehpwn: As long as you can Kubuntu pops up the backup drive window, you can just create a new folder somewhere and drag and drop the mp3 files from the backup harddrive to your main harddrive
[12:51] <pleasehelp> it seems to happen in conjunction with firefox but i don't know why
[12:51] <genii> scifi After you make changes there you'll need to restart apache something like  sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[12:52] <scifi> genii: thx
[12:52] <genii> scifi np
[12:52] <pleasehelp> what will that do cpkl ??
[12:52] <Cuddles_Laptop> folks, quick question...
[12:52] <scifi> genii: im just gonna use phpmyadmin, as i do on windblows to set-up the database :)
[12:52] <Cuddles_Laptop> will a linksys wpc300n work on kubuntu?
[12:54] <tehpwn_> cpk1: I plugged in my backup hard drive so I can get all my mp3's but its not letting me open it up
[12:54] <genii> scifi As I recall you may need to do operations as the mysql user. Normally it will spit something back like root@localhost permission denied  or so. But it is a mysql permissions not the main permissions that it means
[12:54] <esc_ape> Cuddles_Laptop : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsLinksys
[12:54] <DeadFishMan> pleasehelp: Unfortunately, I'm running out of ideas here
[12:54] <Cuddles_Laptop> esc_ape, thank you
[12:55] <pleasehelp> well thanks i am frustrated that i have no clue as to how to fix this
[12:55] <pleasehelp> don't know what causes it only that a restart has so far fixed it
[12:55] <Vladdy> I want to start something when I log in with kdm, how do I do it?
[12:55] <pleasehelp> thanks for your help
[12:56] <DeadFishMan> pleasehelp: yw
[12:56] <Cuddles_Laptop> esc_ape, unfortunately, this card isn't listed.
[12:56] <pleasehelp> later
[12:57] <esc_ape> Cuddles_Laptop : you should search the kubuntu&ubuntuforums for the card. im sure someone has info on it
[12:57] <mebsd> so i still can't get wireless to work
[12:57] <scifi> genii: so in the ports.conf i just need to change listen 80 to listen http://localhost:80 or  httP;//127.0.0.1:80?
[12:58] <Cuddles_Laptop> esc_ape, i did. no joy. so i came here
[12:58] <h3sp4wn> Cuddles_Laptop: ndiswrapper I think is the only choice
[12:58] <jdfellow> possible clue alsaplayer plays ok
[12:59] <h3sp4wn> Cuddles_Laptop: I guess its a broadcom pre-n card ?
[12:59] <genii> scifi No. If you put just 80 it will latch onto ALL available IP, which you do not want. You need a line like   Listen 127.0.0.1:80
[12:59] <hanso> hey. when I have done a modprobe snd_seq (for instance) how do I reverse the action (remove it again)???
[12:59] <Cuddles_Laptop> h3sp4wn, apparently so
[12:59] <DeadFishMan> hanso: rmmod snd_seq
[12:59] <jdfellow> hey DeadfishMan if your still here mp3 plays fine w/ alsaplayer
[12:59] <hanso> deadfishman: thank you
[01:00] <scifi> genii: yeh so change listen 80 to  Listen 127.0.0.1:80
[01:00] <jdfellow> but not kaffeine  vlc mplayer  what gives?
[01:00] <genii> scifi Yes. As well you may need to add a line to /etc/resolv.conf  for the IP 127.0.0.1 as well
[01:00] <h3sp4wn> Cuddles_Laptop: look on the ndiswrapper website to see which windows driver is best to use (if you don't find one just use the one on the cd)
[01:01] <DeadFishMan> jdfellow: Try to use "mplayer -ao alsa" and see if it works as well
[01:01] <DeadFishMan> hanso: You're welcome, mate!
[01:02] <sleepy495> My pc (Kubuntu 6.10) won't turn off when I try to, screen goes black and pc still running
[01:05] <sleepy495> What program do people mostly use for wigets? (calander,clock,weather,etc
[01:05] <DeadFishMan> sleepy495: SuperKaramba
[01:05] <jdfellow> mplayer is already set to use -ao alsa
[01:08] <jdfellow> ok my apologies mplayer works fine it seems to be limited to vlc and xine based prgrams
[01:08] <DeadFishMan> jdfellow: Then I have no idea. I can't understand why an application can use while other trying to use the same backend engine fails
[01:08] <DeadFishMan> jdfellow: Oh, ok... Then we're making progress :)
[01:09] <DeadFishMan> jdfellow: Both can be also set to use ALSA as backend
[01:09] <CSonicGo> !timidity
[01:09] <ubotwo> timidity - Software sound renderer (MIDI sequencer, MOD player) - available in Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) - See http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for more information
[01:09] <genii> Since ALSA uses open drivers I prefer it to OSS when possible
[01:10] <jdfellow> yea i am using alsa in vlc and amarok already
[01:11] <DeadFishMan> jdfellow: And it still gives chopping audio? You can enforce VLC to use ALSA specifically
[01:11] <jdfellow> just tried it vlc does not report any errors either in concole mode or in gui mode yes sound still jerks like it is buffering a local file
[01:12] <jdfellow> yes  i am familiar with out to make these adjustments that is why i am puzzled
[01:12] <jdfellow> with how to make ...
[01:12] <genii> Occasionally choppy sound can still be traced back to a shared irq which has 3-4 devices on it. Worst is lan+sound on sam irq
[01:12] <DeadFishMan> On VLC, click Settings > Preferences > Audio > Output Modules > check Advanced Options and then choose ALSA on the Audio Output Module drop down.
[01:13] <DeadFishMan> genii: Has been a while since the last time that I seen one of those, but you are right... For those hardware devices that don't play very well with PnP, that could be a PITA
[01:14] <genii> DeadFishMan I recently had an ESS1869 card with irq 9 shared with lan, same issue (choppy sound)
[01:15] <scifi> anyone use krita much ?
[01:15] <DeadFishMan> genii: I remember those ESS sound cards. 16 bits right?
[01:15] <jdfellow> yes just checked and confirmed this is selected an the problem persists with streams and local mp3 files the ironic fact is i have vlc as wine application and no choppy sound can you tell me why?
[01:16] <DeadFishMan> jdfellow: I'm surprised that sound works so well on an application under wine, but not the native application. :)
[01:16] <genii> DeadFishMan I believe 16 bit, yeah. Also some generic ac97 stuff
[01:16] <jdfellow> correct
[01:16] <jdfellow> winamp as well
[01:17] <jdfellow> but the clincher is why does it work after i restart the computer ?
[01:17] <DeadFishMan> genii: I liked those cards back then. But they are from an age where you needed to change jumpers on the board in order to setup IRQs and stuff like that.
[01:17] <scifi> genii: when i try to restart apache i get the following error: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
[01:17] <DeadFishMan> genii: I don't think that the current generation of users would ever settle with something like that... :P
[01:18] <genii> scifi Yes thats fine. Since you did not add 127.0.0.1 to the file /etc/resolv.conf you will get that msg
[01:18] <DeadFishMan> jdfellow: o idea. I still feel that aRTS is causing problems, since even when you shut it down, certain applications (like JuK) try to start it up again
[01:18] <DeadFishMan> *No idea
[01:18] <CSonicGo> hey does anyone know how to load a sample file in timidity?
[01:19] <scifi> genii: ok so i need to add the ip to resolve.conf?
[01:19] <CSonicGo> I want to use the Chromium Sf2 samples
[01:19] <CSonicGo> and I dunno where to start
[01:19] <jdfellow> ok will try it
[01:19] <steveire> Hmmm, any kopete users in here?
[01:19] <DeadFishMan> steveire: I am :)
[01:20] <genii> scifi Yes. It should be the first entry. So that it looks to the local machine first to resolve an ip or name, then after to the regular nameservers
[01:20] <Eyeless> steveire: yups
[01:20] <jdfellow> by the way arts was causeing a whole lot of sound problems a while back that is why it is  disabed currently
[01:21] <scifi> genii: so replace line 'nameserver 10.0.0.2' with 'nameserver  127.0.0.1' or just ADD it to the beginnign of the file ?
[01:21] <DeadFishMan> jdfellow: arts is a pig! I still load it sometimes as KDE seems to be deeply tied to it to the point that you cannot really avoid it :\
[01:21] <genii> scifi Add it above that
[01:22] <scifi> genii: i still get the same error when trying to restart apache
[01:23] <genii> scifi If the change disappears when reboot, add the localhost entry to the file /etc/hosts instead of resolv.conf   this can be an issue on some dhcp networks
[01:24] <BenE> So who wants to hear something extremely funny?
[01:24] <BenE> this is tehpwn by the way...
[01:25] <steveire> Can I make kopete put everything in tabs all the time?
[01:25] <steveire> BenE: Hit me.
[01:25] <scifi> genii: hmm the line 127.0.0.1	localhost is already in hosts file also
[01:25] <jdfellow> tried starting it and it behaved strangely it tried starting over and over again i hit cancel
[01:25] <jdfellow> Arts that is
[01:25] <surgy> hello
[01:25] <BenE> After doing all of that work on the wireless today, I went and deleted basically everything in the root partition... because I was attempting to mount my windows HDD and instead typed /dev/hda1 which apparently was my linux harddrive, and when I went to unmount it, it deleted all of the root files
[01:26] <jdfellow> ok it is startd
[01:26] <surgy> i was following through the "BinaryDriverHowTo" and got to the part about "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" and get the error "Command cannot be found"
[01:27] <genii> scifi Apache may still complain about no ip to latch onto but if it says defaulting to 127.0.0.1 after should still be alright. Though a nameserver or hosts entry is preferable to solve the issue. Keep in mind also that if apache latches to localhost, you will only normally be able to acces it from the box it is running on but also since for instance myphpadmin is running on that box should work also
[01:27] <jdfellow> sound problem is worse
[01:28] <surgy> all of my repos in /etc/apt/sources.list are enabled and i installed nvidia-glx
[01:28] <jdfellow> thanks going to restart the computer sigh ....
[01:28] <jdfellow> bye
[01:29] <adaptr> surgy: typo ?
[01:29] <surgy> adaptr: i checked 8 times
[01:30] <DeadFishMan> Well... Gotta go now. Catch You later, guys!
[01:30] <surgy> seeya
[01:30] <adaptr> surgy: well, have you checked if the command is actually there ?
[01:30] <scifi> genii: yeh it says ......using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName so i guess it did actually restart
[01:30] <surgy> adaptr: how do i do that?
[01:31] <adaptr> surgy: sudo which nvidia-glx-config
[01:32] <genii> scifi If you want to access that box from other places you may want to put some port-forwarding entry in your router (if you use one)
[01:32] <surgy> it just does nothing and moves down a line with empty prompt
[01:33] <surgy> adaptr: does that mean its there?
[01:33] <scifi> genii: no im just gonna run this server for linux on this box
[01:33] <adaptr> surgy: that means it was not found
[01:33] <surgy> oh
[01:33] <genii> scifi For that what you have now should be ok then
[01:33] <adaptr> surgy: "which" prints the full pathname if it finds the command
[01:33] <surgy> adaptr: so what should i do?
[01:33] <scifi> genii: yeh thankyou
[01:33] <genii> scifi np
[01:34] <surgy> adaptr: open synaptic and try to reinstall nvidia-glx ?
[01:34] <adaptr> surgy: grep nvidia /var/log/dpkg.log
[01:34] <charlie5> is ther a way to disable the automounting of usb harddrives ?
[01:35] <surgy> adaptr: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2202/
[01:36] <adaptr> surgy: no nvidia-glx, is there ?
[01:36] <surgy> adaptr: thats a complete paste
[01:36] <adaptr> surgy: it was never installed, at least, not since the first date in the dpkg.log
[01:36] <surgy> adaptr: and i used synaptic, it also says its installed
[01:36] <adaptr> did you install it recently?
[01:36] <genii> charlie5 Yes, find the entry in the file /etc/fstab   which has the line for that drive and change where it says "auto" to "noauto"   The line you are looking for normally has a drive name like /dev/sdb1  or /dev.sdc1  or like that. If your root hard drive is sata or scsi tho be careful not to alter that line
[01:37] <surgy> yeah like 3 hours ago, had to go to the store
[01:37] <surgy> adaptr: reinstall it?
[01:37] <Minataku> genii!
[01:37] <adaptr> surgy: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[01:38] <Minataku> LTNS
[01:38] <Minataku> lol
[01:38] <genii> Minataku Hiya
[01:38] <surgy> adaptr: should i have added a repo to sources.list or should it be there becuase i just enabled all of them
[01:38] <charlie5> genii: thanks ... there don't seem to be any entrys in fstab related to the usb drive ?
[01:38] <genii> Minataku btw I have been home ill so have patience etc
[01:38] <adaptr> surgy: if you enabled all the repos then it should just work
[01:39] <Minataku> genii: Ah
[01:39] <Minataku> genii: It's okay, take your time
[01:39] <Minataku> I just kept managing to miss you until now it seems
[01:39] <Minataku> lol
[01:39] <esc_ape> does anyone know how to install this: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=47354 ?
[01:39] <surgy> adaptr: "unable to load nvidia kernal driver!" after the comand sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[01:40] <genii> charlie5 It will be for some drive name like sda1 or sdb1 or sdc1 or like that. It won't have some description like "usb" normally. The system maps the drive to a scsi device which corresponds to device names like sda sdb and so on
[01:40] <surgy> adaptr: but sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx did install nvidia-glx
[01:40] <adaptr> surgy: so did you install the restricted drivers at all ?
[01:41] <Minataku> charlie5: If you're still confused, pull out the USB drive then stick it back in then type "dmesg | tail" at a terminal
[01:41] <surgy> i followed the guide, enale all the repos and checked nvidia-glx for install in synaptic, and it downloaded 11 files and succesfully installed them
[01:41] <Minataku> It should output some stuff regarding "sd<some letter>"
[01:41] <adaptr> surgy: step one: apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-generic && modprobe nvidia
[01:41] <genii> Minataku Good tip
[01:41] <Minataku> Look in fstab for /dev/sd<that letter>
[01:41] <Minataku> genii: Thanks :3
[01:41] <adaptr> surgy: try that now - modprobe nvidia
[01:42] <Minataku> genii: I know that because I have to do that every so often when sdb gets jammed and everything shifts to sdc XD
[01:42] <surgy> adaptr: could not open lockfile /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[01:43] <Minataku> I'll be like "What the crap..." then I look at dmesg and everything is sdc all of a sudden X3
[01:43] <surgy> adaptr: E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/)
[01:43] <adaptr> surgy: close synaptic
[01:43] <surgy> adaptr: i didnt think it was opened: could it be hiding?
[01:44] <adaptr> surgy: well, something is holding the lock....
[01:44] <Minataku> Speaking of coffee: http://data.furaffinity.net/yolin/1161544597.yolin_chain_headshot.jpg :D
[01:44] <adaptr> surgy: you did use sudo, I hope
[01:44] <genii> heh
[01:44] <charlie5> genii: Minataku ... there exisits a /dev/sdb & /dev/sdb1 (etc) for the usb drive, but there is no line in fstab which mentions /dev/sdb (or any of its correspoding partition devices sdb1, sdb2, etc
[01:44] <surgy> adaptr: yes let me try again
[01:44] <Minataku> When I came across that one I thought of genii and stdin XD
[01:45] <Minataku> charlie5: Ah... now what was the original problem? (I wasn't here then >.< )
[01:45] <genii> Minataku He wishes to disable automounting the usb drive
[01:45] <Minataku> http://data.furaffinity.net/yolin/1161544597.yolin_chain_headshot.jpg << For all the coffee drinkers, heehee ^^
[01:45] <scifi> !apache
[01:45] <ubotwo> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[01:45] <surgy> adaptr: ok it worked that time, 0 installed 0 upgraded 0 updated zeros
[01:45] <Minataku> genii: Ah
[01:45] <adaptr> hrm
[01:46] <adaptr> surgy:  so it says it's already installed - now run sudo modprobe nvidia
[01:46] <genii> Usually noauto in fstab works but perhaps here it may take some amd tweaking
[01:46] <surgy> adaptr: Not loading nvidia module; not used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:46] <Minataku> I don't use automounting, sorry, I can't help
[01:46] <Minataku> genii: Like that pic I found, BTW?
[01:46] <charlie5> Minataku: :) ... the usb drive gets automounted (although as i say, there is no fstab entry for it) ... the automount seems to interfere with evms, so i'm trying to disable it
[01:47] <Minataku> charlie5: Yeah, automounting via the kernel is completely fstab independent
[01:47] <genii> Minataku I bookmarked it since right now I'm on a cli box
[01:47] <Minataku> genii: Ah, okay :3
[01:47] <Minataku> Ubuntu does automounting via the kernel to act like Windows
[01:47] <Pekke> how can i start application called amayon
[01:47] <Minataku> You stick in a USB key, it shows up
[01:48] <surgy> adapter: what does that mean?
[01:48] <adaptr> surgy: that's a new one! okay, open up xorg.conf: gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:48] <Minataku> I don't know how to turn off automounting, but I bet if I looked I could find out
[01:48] <genii> Minataku I suspect automounting can be turned off by changing "yes" to "no" somewhere like /etc/default/amd  or similar location
[01:49] <charlie5> Minataku: ah, i see ... thanks ... i'll try a google on it and hopefully find something
[01:49] <genii> I'm not sure I'd recommend turning it off tho
[01:49] <esc_ape> to turn off automounting, you probably have to disable HAL
[01:49] <surgy> adaptr: what am i looking for (i dont have gedit i hop nano is ok)
[01:49] <surgy> hope*
[01:49] <jdfellow> sound problem has gotten really serious please help
[01:49] <Minataku> charlie5: Hole on
[01:49] <Minataku> *Hold on
[01:50] <jdfellow> it effects vlc and xine based apps but not mplayer or realplayer
[01:50] <Minataku> When I said "I bet if I looked" I was looking ;3
[01:50] <adaptr> surgy: there is a section called "device", it has driver "nv" - change it to "nvidia"
[01:50] <Minataku> Do you have a /etc/auto.master ?
[01:50] <jdfellow> even a restart is not fixing the problem
[01:50] <Minataku> Or rather, if you don't want automount at all
[01:50] <surgy> adaptr: why is the bus id "PCI" ? its an agp card
[01:51] <genii> <-- afk finding my bottle of maalox and some coffee
[01:51] <Minataku> /etc/init.d/autofs stop
[01:51] <Minataku> That should turn off automounting
[01:51] <Minataku> Provided Ubuntu is set up with autofs in this way
[01:51] <adaptr> surgy: also, under the "module" section, remove or comment out "dri", and add or uncomment "glx"
[01:51] <surgy> adaptr: ok nv is changed to nvidia now writeout?
[01:51] <adaptr> surgy: irrelevant, I would remove the PCI line altogether
[01:51] <Minataku> If not then that more than likely just won't work at all
[01:51] <adaptr> surgy: no, please read first, do later
[01:52] <charlie5> Minataku: i don't have an /etc/auto.master ... but i'll try the  '/etc/init.d/autofs stop' ... thanks muchly :)
[01:52] <steveire> kopete users: How do you get message history in kopete?
[01:52] <cpk1> steveire: its a plugin or somesuch
[01:53] <steveire> Do you use it?
[01:53] <surgy> adapter: ok glx is there and dri is not: remove whole pci line including "BusID" ?
[01:53] <genii> Is anyone having probs using a dual-layer burner with k3b on regular single-layer dvd+r ?? Mine keeps chunking out at around 10%
[01:53] <cpk1> steveire: go to configure plugins and then turn on history
[01:53] <surgy> adaptr: as in i removed dri but glx was allready there
[01:53] <Minataku> charlie5: If it fails because Ubuntu doesn't use autofs, then I'd say just Google around
[01:54] <adaptr> surgy: okay, now write the file
[01:54] <steveire> cpk1: That box is already checked. I mean press up and get my last typed message.
[01:54] <surgy> adaptr: aout that "PCI" line should i delete it starting at BusID? or just the "PCI" part?
[01:54] <surgy> about*
[01:55] <adaptr> surgy: I said "line", didn't I ? :)
[01:55] <surgy> aorry
[01:55] <charlie5> Minataku: i dont have the /etc/init.d/autofs file, although slocate shows autofs present on my system ... i think you are right and i need to google a bit ... thanks for your time ;)
[01:55] <Pekke> how can i start application called amaya?
[01:55] <surgy> adaptr: ok its written out
[01:55] <adaptr> surgy: you should always remove or comment out a complete line, not part of it (unless you already know what you're doing, in which case what am I talking for:)
[01:56] <adaptr> surgy: I gather you are not running X now ?
[01:56] <surgy> adaptr: im in the kde desktop (im guessing thats bassed on x)
[01:56] <adaptr> surgy: it *runs* on X, yes - it's not "based" on it
[01:57] <surgy> sorry for the bad terminology
[01:57] <adaptr> surgy: try the sudo modprobe nvidia again
[01:57] <adaptr> surgy: no problem at all! just explaining that X is a separate entity
[01:57] <surgy> same thing just moved to next line, didnt find it.
[01:58] <genii> Isn't amaya some content management thing?
[01:58] <adaptr> surgy: don't assume you know what it does - it is now loaded
[01:58] <Minataku> charlie5: No problem and good luck resolving your issue. :D
[01:58] <surgy> adaptr: my assumption was bassed on your previous comment about why it skips to the next line
[01:58] <genii> !info amaya
[01:59] <ubotwo> amaya - Web Browser, HTML Editor and Testbed for Draft W3C standards - available in Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) - See http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for more information
[01:59] <surgy> adaptr: so my driver should be running now? or should i reboot?
[01:59] <genii> hmm
[01:59] <vash_> italian???
[01:59] <Jucato> !it | vash_
[01:59] <ubotwo> vash_: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:59] <adaptr> surgy: the output of a command that you want information from ("which") is pretty obviously rather different from a command that you want to do exactly what you tell it to - in the second case, you only want to know about it if it *failed*
[01:59] <adaptr> surgy: "reboot" is a bad word here
[02:00] <adaptr> surgy: hold your breath, and kill X by hitting CTRL-ALT-Backspace
[02:00] <adaptr> see you on the other side :)
[02:00] <surgy> adaptr: how do i restore x once it is dead?
[02:00] <sleepy495> where can I find the latest version of kiba-dock?
[02:00] <adaptr> surgy: it *restarts* the X server, this time hopefully with a glorious nvidia splash screen
[02:01] <surgy> adaptr: ok wish me luck
[02:01] <genii> surgy The usual way to rescue X if the driver fails is to put vesa as thr driver in the section of xorg.conf that says what driver to use for the video card. It's normally a safe one to use
[02:02] <adaptr> genii: you haven't been following along, have you ? :)
[02:02] <surgy> adaptr: it was a success, thank you much for your teachings and patients
[02:02] <adaptr> surgy: okay, next step: beryl :)
[02:02] <genii> adaptr I have to plead ignorance at this point, yeah :)
[02:02] <adaptr> genii: he *had* vesa, and wanted nvidia-glx
[02:03] <angasule> where should I place all the "export QT_IM_MODULE=scim", etc, required by scim/skim? I tried ~/.xinitrc and /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc with no luck, I know that those envvars are all that's needed for scim to work, since I've exported them manually
[02:03] <surgy> adaptr: can you give me a link or breif explination as to the benifits of beryl, other than looking better?
[02:03] <adaptr> surgy: have you ever seen beryl ?
[02:03] <genii> adaptr What I caught was how to rescue X if it failed and so on
[02:03] <surgy> adaptr: bo but i came acrossed its mention in my studies
[02:03] <surgy> no*
[02:03] <adaptr> surgy: are you kidding ? once you've seen it you'll laugh at all your "mates" who come boasting abotu Vista
[02:03] <jdfellow> i am still having sound problems i disabled alsa and only running oss still choppy sound any ideas
[02:03] <surgy> adaptr: oh so its linux = vista :)
[02:04] <adaptr> surgy: it has stuff Vista will be struggling to reach
[02:04] <surgy> adaptr: i like what im hearing
[02:04] <chairmeleon> hello people :) first time here
[02:04] <chairmeleon> I have a few questions to ask
[02:04] <steveire> chairmeleon: Go for it.
[02:04] <surgy> adaptr: got a link? maybe a couple of screens?
[02:04] <adaptr> surgy: there are very good howto's for beryl, ask around in channel
[02:04] <genii> !ask | chairmeleon
[02:04] <ubotwo> chairmeleon: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[02:04] <steveire> \me puts finger on buzzer
[02:04] <adaptr> !beryl
[02:04] <ubotwo> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[02:05] <adaptr> surgy: one tip - if you're running Edgy you really want AIGLX, not Xgl
[02:05] <genii> interesting... ubotu is now known as ubotwo?
[02:05] <adaptr> it's ubotu's bastard twin brother :)
[02:05] <surgy> adaptr: oh here is a bottom feeder's question, do you know if its possible to change my mouse wheel's scroll speed in konqerer?
[02:05] <chairmeleon> Ok, then :D This channel was quite friendlier than what I'm used to. Is there an easy way to have your current set of packages deployed on a fresh install of (K/X)Ubuntu?
[02:05] <surgy> adaptr: is it way better?
[02:05] <genii> adaptr Heh :) Evil twin
[02:06] <adaptr> surgy: is there a mouse panel in preferences ? the answer would be self-explanatory
[02:06] <surgy> adaptr: im looking
[02:06] <wolfwalker> Well, I have (partial) success
[02:06] <superkirbyartist> What ports must I use for USB joystick?
[02:06] <adaptr> surgy: it makes a significant performance difference, as AIGLX is built into the X server
[02:06] <wolfwalker> How do I rebuild the kernel?
[02:06] <adaptr> wolfwalker: why would you want to?
[02:06] <wolfwalker> I downloaded a file and the documentation/instructions said this
[02:06] <superkirbyartist> surgy: also offers more shutdown options, faster load and save, etc.
[02:07] <wolfwalker> Notes: First public release of the usbatm kernel subsystem including cxacru. To use it unpack the archive in the root of the kernel tree (it will replace some files in drivers/usb/atm) and rebuild. Note: due to a small lag in development speedtch doesn't work with the current usbatm, and is not included in this release. NOTE: the package can be used only as an integral part of the Linux kernel source tree, thus the kernel license terms
[02:07] <surgy> adaptr: so if my os depends directly on my video card ( such is the case of beryl) then i need a stout video card and the best drivers right?
[02:07] <genii> chairmeleon You are installing by cd?
[02:07] <surgy> adaptr: then why did i waste my time with glx? lol
[02:08] <chairmeleon> Like, for showcasing (*)buntu to your friends. a CD that installs with everything windows immigrants need to go hunting for (mp3/w32codecs, flash e.t.c)
[02:08] <adaptr> surgy: the OS does not depend on the video card - ever; as for drivers, just use the ubuntu default (87.76 for Edgy)
[02:08] <chairmeleon> Yes I am
[02:08] <adaptr> surgy: you;re really not paying attention: AIGLX != Xgl != glx
[02:08] <chairmeleon> genji: Yes I am
[02:08] <chairmeleon> are there other methods?
[02:09] <genii> chairmeleon Ah OK :) I have a different setup where I am installing by a netboot method, I have a solution based on that. For a custom CD tho you need another way
[02:09] <adaptr> surgy: "glx" is the Linux name for a generic-ish hardware-dependent OpenGL accelerator driver - there are different ones for nvidia (nvidia-glx) and ATI (fglrx)
[02:09] <sinthetek> heya, i was trying to find info on kubuntu livecds... i noticed on the special-cds section of the site, the only iso listed is old and in german. from what i can see, it looks like the regular kubuntu install cd is also a livecd. is this like a fully functional livecd?
[02:10] <surgy> adaptr: i understand, but you said aiglx is superior? you said that i really want it? and beryl is a "graphics driven os" like vista, so a bottom end video card whould rob performance from everything right?
[02:10] <wolfwalker> Anyone want to explain what the rebuilding the kernel thing means? Cause it makes me as edgy as my Kubuntu version.
[02:10] <chairmeleon> genji: well netboot is just fine, had no idea I could install *buntu that way :D
[02:10] <adaptr> surgy: "Xgl" is an OpenGL accelerated X server that runs on top of Xorg, while AIGLX is its A.D.D. brother that runs *inside* of Xorg 7.1 and up
[02:10] <surgy> oh ok
[02:11] <genii> chairmeleon You would likely not want to it if your connection is on dialup but for a dsl or cable connection it works OK
[02:11] <adaptr> surgy: beryl is a *display manager*, not an OS
[02:11] <surgy> so in reality i should be fine with what i have right?
[02:11] <adaptr> surgy: please stop referring to visuals as "OSes"
[02:11] <chairmeleon> genji: Yeah I know it works fine (I'm on 24mbit btw) and I got two boxes setup via debian etch netboot cd
[02:11] <adaptr> surgy: depends on what you want to do- I presume there's a reason you wanted the binary nvidia drivers ?
[02:11] <exe_> hello everybody
[02:12] <surgy> adaptr: sorry. i was misinformed, i assumed that beryl was like kde or gnome but it looks like i as wrong
[02:12] <genii> chairmeleon But I think for your situation a custom CD would be the likely best solution. If you give me a few minutes I'll find some link to start you off
[02:12] <adaptr> surgy: (doesn't matter even if you have no reasonk, as just the regular desktop responds waaay faster in hardware)
[02:12] <Tonren> How can I use Edit Window-Specific Settings to tell Kwin to remember the last position of an application, and apply it initially?
[02:12] <surgy> adaptr: i want to play enemy teritory and make my desktop and screensavers look smooth and nice
[02:12] <Tonren> I tried checking "Position" under Geometry and selecting "Remember", but it doesn't work.
[02:12] <adaptr> surgy: very wrong, yes - it runs next to your DE (desktop environment) and on top of your X server
[02:12] <wolfwalker> Can somebody tell me how to rebuild the kernel?
[02:13] <adaptr> surgy: you have arrived at that point :)
[02:13] <wolfwalker> Is it a simple restart?
[02:13] <exe_> Is there some people can help me about Intel 855GM video card?
[02:13] <adaptr> surgy: what video card do you have ?
[02:13] <adaptr> surgy: and CPU and RAM ?
[02:13] <surgy> adaptr: then no need to fix it :) when i want more power i will remember your suggestion of aiglx
[02:13] <exe_> I can't select 85x video card in my kubuntu
[02:14] <genii> Are you sure it's not an i810 based video??
[02:14] <surgy> geforce 4 ti4200 amd64 +3200 512 mb pc 3200 ram 400 mhz FSB
[02:14] <chairmeleon> genji: Well, Ubuntu is the only distro I install via CD as I didn't know one could do it via netboot. So, any way is fine, as long as I can deploy a "kick-windows-ass" install quicker than usual
[02:14] <adaptr> surgy: well, beryl isn't power as such - just the power to make your windows friends piss themselves with envy :)
[02:14] <exe_> Is i810 as the same as 85x?
[02:14] <adaptr> surgy: I have a geforce FX5200 in this box, amd XP 1700+ with 512MB as well... and it's bearable
[02:15] <adaptr> surgy: on my AMD64 with 2GB DDR400 and GeForce 6600GT it positively rocks
[02:15] <mardi> anyone know about setting static IPs with a fresh kubuntu 6.10?
[02:15] <wolfwalker> Can somebody tell me how to rebuild the kernel?
[02:15] <wolfwalker> Is it a simple restart?
[02:16] <adaptr> wolfwalker: no, it most certainly is not
[02:16] <wolfwalker> Well this documentation tells me to decompress the .tar file to root and rebuild the kernel
[02:16] <wolfwalker> How you do dat?
[02:16] <adaptr> wolfwalker: the first time you rebuild a kernel will take you a few days (perhaps a long night if you really work hard)
[02:16] <surgy> adaptr: yeah im looking at an fx6500 in a few weeks, beryl will complement it well
[02:16] <adaptr> wolfwalker: there are some documents you need to read
[02:16] <wolfwalker> Wait
[02:17] <wolfwalker> First, is that what this means?
[02:17] <wolfwalker> Notes: First public release of the usbatm kernel subsystem including cxacru. To use it unpack the archive in the root of the kernel tree (it will replace some files in drivers/usb/atm) and rebuild. Note: due to a small lag in development speedtch doesn't work with the current usbatm, and is not included in this release. NOTE: the package can be used only as an integral part of the Linux kernel source tree, thus the kernel license terms
[02:17] <genii> chairmeleon Well, for netboot install method you normally would need to setup a dhcp server and some other stuff like tftpd server and so on which is a bit much for most ppl. I figure a better solution for you would be to make a custom install CD with whatever you normally want pre-installed on it. There is a way to make a preseed file to somewhat automate installs. You can create a preseed file from an already installed system with the things you l
[02:17] <wolfwalker> Is that "and rebuild" referring to rebuilding the kernel?
[02:17] <surgy> adaptr: i dont want to strain my vid card much, plus its a small feeble peice
[02:17] <adaptr> surgy: forget the FX series - they sucked hard, and a 128MB 6600GT costs about $100 max. - it runs all the latest games @ 1024x768
[02:18] <genii> chairmeleon So give me some time here and I'll find some info for you
[02:18] <surgy> adaptr: the fx6500 is 14.50 US from a buddy of mine
[02:18] <adaptr> wolfwalker: if it talks about rebuilding your kernel, then yes, it does mean that - it is saying, in effect, that you cannot build it as a module that can be loaded at runtime
[02:18] <wolfwalker> Okay
[02:18] <adaptr> surgy: I an not kidding.. the entire FX line sucked mighty cows
[02:18] <wolfwalker> Then how do you rebuild the kernel?
[02:19] <surgy> adaptr: worse than my ti4200? and for fourteen dollars?
[02:19] <adaptr> surgy: it will not even be a real improvement over the Ti4, since that was a pretty good card of the GF4 range
[02:19] <wolfwalker> I thought everyone knew FX stunk
[02:19] <chairmeleon> genji: Sounds nice if I got this right..and thank you very much in advance. Does this mean I can make an *buntu .iso with a modified preseed file and have my custom set of packages downloaded and setup upon install?
[02:19] <surgy> adaptr: yea man ill look at it
[02:19] <mardi> i'm trying to set a static with kubuntu 6.10. in admin mode, i set the static IP to 192.168.1.1 (tried in /etc/network/interfaces too), and restart eth0, this kills the internet, then after a reboot it resets itself to 169.254.141.22, and the internet works, anyone know what's happening here?
[02:19] <adaptr> surgy: look at anandtech, and tomshardware - they have full comparisons of all existing cards
[02:19] <surgy> adaptr: my next project is getting into my windows backup drive (my other sata) and getting my movies and emus/roms off of it
[02:20] <surgy> adaptr: making a bookmark now
[02:20] <adaptr> surgy: read access is easy - you have that *now*
[02:20] <surgy> adaptr: should be in my filemanager?
[02:20] <genii> chairmeleon Yes, that would be the idea. You make a preseed file to put on a custom CD along with whatever packages you prefer to have auto installed.
[02:20] <matt____> who knows how to install a new bootsplash
[02:21] <adaptr> surgy: on your desktop, even - but if not, it;'s 5 minutes work at the cmdline
[02:21] <mardi> can anyone see my messages?
[02:21] <adaptr> mardi: no, sorry
[02:21] <mardi> hey! cool, i was wondering...
[02:21] <wolfwalker> lol
[02:21] <genii> chairmeleon Pls have some patience as I am going back and forth between 4 different machines here
[02:21] <surgy> adaptr: not on my desktop, i have some garbage there though that i have no explanation for, i dont know what it is. its called ".directory"
[02:22] <adaptr> mardi: your terms are not like my terms: "in admin mode" means what ? did you use the network-manager ?
[02:22] <adaptr> surgy: your desktop does not hide dotfiles then - this is odd
[02:22] <chairmeleon> genji: Oh, no problem. I got all the time on earth :)
[02:22] <surgy> adaptr: im running two sata hdds western digital 7200rpm in ide mode
[02:22] <mardi> no, i'm going through System Settings/ Network Settings/ Network Connections/ Network Interfaces tab
[02:23] <surgy> adapter: umm..... i turned on show hidden files, thats prolly the cuase of that let me switch it back
[02:23] <adaptr> mardi: and you unchecked automatic and filled in proper IP data ?
[02:23] <adaptr> surgy: indeed it is
[02:23] <mardi> adaptr, yes i have, and confirmed the change in /etc/network/interfaces
[02:23] <surgy> adaptr: ok thats fixed
[02:23] <iron> is there a free flash player?
[02:23] <wolfwalker> ubuntuguide.org is down
[02:23] <adaptr> mardi: so what happens then ?
[02:23] <wolfwalker> How do you rebuild the kernel?
[02:24] <matt____> does any one know howto install a new bootsplas
[02:24] <surgy> adaptr: now how do i get a mount point to my ntfs hdd? whould be nice if it wernt out in the open, maybe in a file manager?
[02:24] <bxnp> look for compiling the kernel wolfwalker
[02:24] <bxnp> and use kubuntu aswel in your query
[02:24] <mardi> adaptr, then after restarting eth0 the internet loses it's connection (i am using a 4 port router with DCHP turned off)
[02:24] <adaptr> wolfwalker: you really, really don't want to do that - it's a shoddy piece of software if it cannot be built as a module
[02:25] <adaptr> mardi: why do you *restart* anything? just change the IP, done.
[02:25] <mardi> adaptr, then after a reboot of the whole system it pulls a 169.254.141.22 addy from somewhere
[02:25] <iron> can i get some help on finding a flashplayer
[02:25] <wolfwalker> Well it's USB drivers for my DSL modem
[02:25] <genii> I'll be back from a machine with gui in a minute
[02:25] <adaptr> mardi: eth0 is a what ? 100mbit cable ?
[02:26] <mardi> adaptr, yes, cat5 cable to the router
[02:26] <wolfwalker> So I don't really have an alternative
[02:26] <mena> Freinds hi all
[02:26] <adaptr> surgy: open a console, type ls -l /media
[02:26] <wolfwalker> So how do you rebuild the kernel?
[02:26] <Jucato> !flashplugin-nonfree | iron
[02:26] <ubotwo> flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player plugin installer - available in Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) - See http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for more information
[02:26] <wolfwalker> If I mess up, I can always reinstall from the disk
[02:26] <adaptr> mardi: and why did you "restart" eth0 again ?
[02:27] <surgy> ls invalid option
[02:27] <mefisto__> wolfwalker: try http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy That seems to be working
[02:27] <mena> i treid to install flash player plugin on kubuntu but i cant install it and i cant use mozlila flash plugin bec i use opera
[02:27] <adaptr> wolfwalker: it would take pages and pages to explain that to you, and dozens more when you get things wrong (you will); find a good document and read it a few times
[02:27] <mardi> i click on apply after setting the static IP to 192.168.1.3 and it reverts back to 169.254.141.22
[02:28] <adaptr> mardi: "reverts back" when ?
[02:28] <genii> chairmeleon Actually I just found this site which may be good for you...I have not tried this so cannot give you a review but it seems what you need: http://sourceforge.net/projects/uck/
[02:28] <mardi> adaptr, immediately
[02:28] <wolfwalker> Grrrr. ubuntuguide.org is still down
[02:28] <chairmeleon> genji: I'll give it a shot. Thanks! :)
[02:28] <adaptr> mardi: what IP do you get when you use DHCP ?
[02:28] <wolfwalker> I'll copy the link and get back to it
[02:28] <mefisto__> wolfwalker: try http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy That seems to be working
[02:28] <wolfwalker> Nope, it's still down
[02:28] <mardi> adaptr, I don't have DCHP enabled in my router
[02:29] <adaptr> wolfwalker: you have internet problems; ubuntuguides works fine
[02:29] <mefisto__> wolfwalker: I can get to that url
[02:29] <surgy> adaptr: "ls" invaled option: type ls --help for more information"
[02:29] <adaptr> mardi: you said you are trying to change from DHCP to static; what *was* the IP
[02:29] <wolfwalker> Well I'm here
[02:29] <wolfwalker> So my net must be working
[02:29] <genii> chairmeleon For the record the basic method I am using can be found here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuOnCluster
[02:29] <adaptr> surgy: type it correctly :)
[02:29] <wolfwalker> Is it possible to access some things on the net and not others?
[02:30] <wolfwalker> Would my ISP be blocking it?
[02:30] <link_> wow.  This is spiffy
[02:30] <adaptr> wolfwalker: yes, but your dns servers may be bad - who knows
[02:30] <adaptr> !spiffy
[02:30] <ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[02:30] <adaptr> stupid twin
[02:30] <chairmeleon> genji: Right :) All knowledge is good knowledge
[02:30] <link_> how do I get more IRC channels?
[02:30] <adaptr> I bet ubotu would've known
[02:30] <adaptr> link_: /j #channel name
[02:30] <wolfwalker> dns servers? Are those under my control, or my ISP's?
[02:30] <link_> ok...
[02:30] <mardi> adaptr, i believe it was 192.168.1.2, when it was assigned by the router
[02:31] <adaptr> wolfwalker: you can set any servers you like, but you are usually only allowed to use the ones your ISP gives you
[02:31] <iron> what does non free mean?
[02:31] <adaptr> mardi: then use that - did you fill in sane values for the mask and gateway ?
[02:31] <adaptr> iron: it means not fully open source
[02:31] <link_> can I use italics, bold, other colors, etc...  anything but plain text?
[02:31] <surgy> adaptr: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2207/
[02:31] <mardi> adaptr, i'm using a ubuntu laptop here also, it has a static IP assigend and works fine, just the kubuntu box isin't 'sticking' with it's static IP
[02:31] <genii> wolfwalker If your IP is autoassigned and so on from your ISP then it defaults to whatever they use
[02:31] <adaptr> iron: "free" as in "will" or "opinion"
[02:32] <adaptr> link_: text makeup is strongly discouraged on #freenode as a whole
[02:32] <link_>   hmmm
[02:32] <link_> brb
[02:32] <iron> ok i did that and it said it did not install
[02:32] <adaptr> iron: you need to add repositories for non-free packages
[02:32] <mardi> adaptr, yes, same values for mask and gateway
[02:32] <adaptr> mardi: which were ?
[02:33] <iron> meaning?
[02:33] <adaptr> !repositories
[02:33] <ubotwo> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[02:33] <mardi> adaptr, mask 255.255.255.0, gateway 192.168.1.1
[02:33] <adaptr> surgy: okay, it's not there - do you know which partition your windows drive is ?
[02:33] <adaptr> mardi: and it did not allow you to change them ? then you were not root
[02:34] <genii> wolfwalker Are you having some issues with DNS?
[02:34] <adaptr> mardi: run this in a console: sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.3 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.1.1
[02:35] <genii> bah he left already
[02:35] <adaptr> well, goody riddy
[02:35] <surgy> adaptr: well there are two hdd and kubuntu is on sda so i assume drive two is sdb
[02:35] <genii> Chatzilla doesn't show me ppl entering or leaving, a bit annoying sometimes
[02:36] <adaptr> surgy: do yourself a favour - don't assume :) run "dmesg | grep hd"
[02:36] <adaptr> Konversation doesn;t show me anything - I like it ! this channel is busy enough as it is
[02:36] <mardi> adaptr, SIOCSIFADDR: Invalid argument  gw: Host name lookup failure
[02:37] <surgy> adaptr: well my assumption was currect: sdb is my ntfs partition
[02:37] <adaptr> mardi: okay, sorry - been doing windows again all week :) lose the "gw" part
[02:37] <tehpwn> Hey guys I'm back.
[02:37] <mardi> adaptr, hehe
[02:37] <tehpwn> is bxnp here?
[02:37] <mardi> adaptr, SIOCSIFADDR: Invalid argument
[02:37] <bxnp> yes
[02:38] <bxnp> shoot
[02:38] <bxnp> cause i have to go to my bed
[02:38] <tehpwn> Hey, what was the link again for those drivers you supplyed me. I want to make a reference for future use
[02:38] <adaptr> mardi: updated: sudo ifconfig 192.168.1.3 netmask 255.255.255.0
[02:38] <bxnp> what irc client are you using
[02:38] <tehpwn> At the moment in on Gaim
[02:39] <adaptr> mardi: it's silly - *nix and Windblows have the omission of those parameters exactly reversed
[02:39] <bxnp> gaim, why dont you use xchat or konversation if it must be kde
[02:39] <adaptr> surgy: run this: sudo mkdir /media/windows
[02:39] <bxnp> anyway
[02:39] <bxnp> to be honest i dont know
[02:39] <mardi> adaptr, SIOCSIFNETMASK: no such device
[02:39] <bxnp> i just look for it
[02:39] <tehpwn> I don't know.. I just have allways used Gaim... (I come from using windows all my life).
[02:39] <genii> gaim is nice because you can somewhat unify all your IM stuff into one interface
[02:39] <bxnp> why dont you make a backup or mail the driver to your gmail account
[02:40] <tehpwn> So I use it for MSN and AIM also
[02:40] <surgy> adaptr: done
[02:40] <bxnp> and you used gaim with windows
[02:40] <bxnp> :) good
[02:40] <adaptr> mardi: I forgot the eth0 part this time.. you're not reading along very well, are you ? :)
[02:40] <tehpwn> Well I don't have it that's why I'm asking. Cuz after getting it off my desktop I was oh, crap, that was dumb...
[02:40] <mardi> adaptr:  hehe, ok, added eth0 and it worked, i think
[02:41] <mardi> adaptr:  no errors
[02:41] <adaptr> surgy: now you probably want to mount it every startup
[02:41] <bxnp> ehm let me check it
[02:41] <adaptr> mardi: now you need a route to your...router
[02:41] <tehpwn> Ok, thank you so much.
[02:41] <surgy> adaptr: ok wait its mounted now? how do i view it? and yes i want it to auto mount on startup
[02:42] <adaptr> mardi: sudo route add default gw 192.168.1.1
[02:42] <adaptr> surgy: don't run ahead
[02:42] <surgy> adaptr: sorry
[02:43] <mardi> adaptr: did that, no errors, and we have internet!
[02:43] <adaptr> mardi: now you can ping your router, but you need to set up DNS; copy the values from the laptop into /etc/resolv.conf, although I think that is autogenerated on *buntu and gets overwritten on boot
[02:43] <K-Ryan> Hey everybody
[02:43] <surgy> hi k-ryan wb!
[02:43] <adaptr> surgy: open up fstab: sudo nano /etc/fstab
[02:43] <K-Ryan> Thanks surgy
[02:43] <adaptr> (you liked nano :)
[02:44] <K-Ryan> surgy setting up drivers?
[02:44] <bxnp> http://www.silfreed.net/download/hpzt3000cto/SP23107A.tar.gz
[02:44] <bxnp> btw tehpwn make a note that when you install the driver again
[02:44] <surgy> k-ryan: done thanx to adaptr
[02:44] <surgy> adaptr: done
[02:44] <K-Ryan> Mmm
[02:44] <K-Ryan> That's good
[02:44] <mattstocker> heya everyone
[02:44] <mardi> adaptr: we had already put in the DNS server IPs into the appropriate section in the Network settings area, they are staying
[02:44] <bxnp> first remove the original loaded module bcm43xx with sudo rmmod bcm43xx
[02:44] <K-Ryan> You need to log out click options restart x, then log back in
[02:44] <surgy> yeah now just getting my ntfs support up
[02:44] <surgy> why?
[02:45] <adaptr> mardi: then it appears you're done :) although you really need to edit the appropriate interface files, since what you just did won't keep over a reboot
[02:45] <bxnp> and then do the ndiswrapper thing
[02:45] <K-Ryan> So everything is initialized or whatever
[02:45] <K-Ryan> I had to with Fglrx anyway
[02:45] <surgy> k-ryan i will to test auto-mount
[02:45] <K-Ryan> Don't know what it's like for nvidia
[02:45] <mardi> adaptr: /etc/network/interfaces ?
[02:45] <adaptr> K-Ryan: what are you talking about ?
[02:45] <adaptr> mardi: let me check
[02:45] <K-Ryan> The opengl
[02:45] <bxnp> btw tehpwn what was tht cnutcrap where you talked about
[02:46] <link_> now that Ubuntu is more popular, do you think Linix will have more desktop users?  Does Linux aim for this?
[02:46] <surgy> adaptr: fstab is open
[02:46] <K-Ryan> link_ the more the merrier
[02:46] <adaptr> mardi: yep, it apperas this is what network-manager edits... man interfaces will instruct what to put in there
[02:46] <adaptr> surgy: yers, I know - K-Ryan came along to confuse
[02:46] <mattstocker> can anyone help me in setting up the ati drivers for ATI Rage Mobility P/M AGP with 8 MB RAM for my laptop please?
[02:46] <K-Ryan> And it's just that a lot of people haven't heard of it and/or they think it is a programmer OS kind of thing
[02:46] <K-Ryan> adaptr, surgy, sorry =P
[02:47] <surgy> adaptr: he means only well, np k-ryan
[02:47] <adaptr> K-Ryan: "the" OpenGL ? :P
[02:47] <K-Ryan> The OpenGL "drivers"
[02:47] <VanessaE> what do I need to do to improve the performance of samba (between two linux boxes)?  5MB/sec down and 3MB/sec up (relative to the client) is just too slow....
[02:47] <K-Ryan> 5MB/sec is slow?
[02:47] <VanessaE> sure
[02:47] <adaptr> VanessaE: that is pretty standard - SMB is not known for its speed...
[02:47] <K-Ryan> Well for lan i suppose
[02:47] <surgy> vaneesaE:mind me asking why you should ever need more?
[02:48] <VanessaE> before NFS broke, I could max 11MB/Sec both directions.
[02:48] <adaptr> VanessaE: NFS, on the other hand, is :)
[02:48] <adaptr> NFS has zero overhead
[02:48] <adaptr> and it's not braindead, sice it didn't originate in Redmond
[02:49] <VanessaE> surgy: well, it's better to take 2 mins to copy a large file up to the server than 6 mins. :-)
[02:49] <mardi> adaptr: i don't think it is reading /etc/newtwork/interfaces, that files says we have the IP of 192.168.1.2, but in the KDE Network Settings gui dialog it says we have 192.168.1.3
[02:49] <tehpwn> bxnp, thanks a bunch. Sorry I had to walk out of the room for a bit, uncle was talking to me about rent :-p
[02:49] <surgy> understandable
[02:49] <tehpwn> Thank you again though..
[02:49] <adaptr> surgy: there are many reasons why one would want or need more - I frequently grow impatient when copying 10GB of mp3s to my fileserver... but not quite impatient enough to invest in GigE hardware :)
[02:49] <adaptr> mardi: paste the file
[02:50] <surgy> adaptr: yeah, im guessing that i need to add a line to fstab.......
[02:50] <adaptr> mardi: you *do* need to "restart the network" if you edit the file
[02:50] <VanessaE> adaptr, if I could afford GBE I'd jump on it in a heartbeat (but even $15 for a NIC is too much for me right now)
[02:50] <K-Ryan> Anyone know the suffix to change video resolutions when running something from the konsole?
[02:51] <adaptr> VanessaE: sorry to hear that.. the required switch would easily quadruple your NIC costs, of course
[02:51] <VanessaE> yeah
[02:51] <VanessaE> I was expecitng that :-/
[02:51] <mardi> adaptr: one tick, should i use the 'post' site?
[02:51] <mardi> adaptr: postbin i think?
[02:51] <adaptr> K-Ryan: there is no such "the: suffix - it depends on the application whether that is supported at all
[02:51] <adaptr> !paste
[02:51] <ubotwo> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:51] <K-Ryan> adaptr it is
[02:52] <adaptr> mardi: it's "paste" - "post" is what you do here, one line at a time; paste is multi-line
[02:52] <adaptr> subtle, eh
[02:52] <K-Ryan> the video mode changy thing works, i just cant remember the suffix for it
[02:52] <adaptr> surgy: getting back to our topic :)
[02:52] <K-Ryan> you know the -x where x is the right letter
[02:52] <surgy> adaptr:  np
[02:53] <mardi> adaptr: auto lo
[02:53] <mardi> iface lo inet loopback
[02:53] <mardi> address 127.0.0.1
[02:53] <mardi> netmask 255.0.0.0
[02:53] <surgy> adaptr: messing with the little touch ups like desktop pics and stuff
[02:53] <mardi> auto eth0
[02:53] <mardi> iface eth0 inet static
[02:53] <mardi> address 192.168.1.2
[02:53] <K-Ryan> actually i can change it elsewhere, nvm
[02:53] <mardi> netmask 255.255.255.0
[02:53] <mardi> network 192.168.1.0
[02:53] <mardi> broadcast 192.168.1.255
[02:53] <mardi> gateway 192.168.1.1
[02:53] <mardi> auto eth1
[02:53] <mardi> iface eth1 inet dhcp
[02:53] <mardi> auto eth2
[02:53] <mardi> iface eth2 inet dhcp
[02:53] <mardi> auto ath0
[02:53] <mardi> iface ath0 inet dhcp
[02:53] <mardi> auto wlan0
[02:53] <mardi> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[02:53] <mardi> eek
[02:53] <VanessaE> ack!
[02:53] <adaptr> surgy: add this line: /dev/sdb1 /media/windows ntfs defaults 0 0
[02:54] <adaptr> mardi: you're looking to get banned ?
[02:54] <mardi> adaptr: dude, you just told me to paste it here! sorry
[02:54] <adaptr> mardi: no, you did not read correctly
[02:54] <mardi> adaptr: thats why i asked if i should use that pastebin site
[02:54] <adaptr> mardi: I posted you the link to the pastebin first
[02:54] <mardi> adaptr: i did not read it correctly, true
[02:55] <surgy> adaptr: thats it?
[02:55] <adaptr> surgy: now save the file
[02:55] <surgy> adaptr: done
[02:56] <mardi> adaptr: sorry, when i scroll up i still don't see the link to pastebin, can you give it to me again please?
[02:56] <adaptr> surgy: oh - I dunno if it allows you to do this, since the default ntfs driver only has read access - maybe you should explicitly tell it that
[02:56] <surgy> mardi: its in the topic
[02:56] <adaptr> !paste | mardi
[02:56] <ubotwo> mardi: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:56] <surgy> adaptr: ?
[02:56] <adaptr> surgy: but we can at least try, eh ? save the file, and go to the console
[02:56] <surgy> adaptr: done
[02:57] <adaptr> now run sudo mount -a
[02:57] <wolfwalker> Hey y'all, I have a question about the whole Linux dependency thing
[02:57] <wolfwalker> When you download a program, why are the dependencies not sent with it?
[02:57] <VanessaE> simple:
[02:57] <surgy> adaptr: works, but when i double click the new icon on the desktop it  says "Unable to enter file:///media/windows. You do not have access rights to this location."
[02:57] <VanessaE> there's no way to actually *do* it.
[02:57] <tekteen> Can someone help me with software modems on a toshiba laptop?
[02:58] <mardi> adaptr: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2209/
[02:58] <VanessaE> aside from the way distros like ubuntu/debian or redhat do it.
[02:58] <adaptr> surgy: true; you probably need to specify these in fstab, because ntfs has very different permissions than ext3
[02:58] <wolfwalker> So no real way to make an installer file the way you can with Winblows?
[02:58] <VanessaE> if a person were to package up all the deps their program needs and ship them with said program, you'd end up with dozens of copies of the same deps eventually.
[02:58] <K-Ryan> wolfwalker its just kind of a compressed file or a package for a repo
[02:58] <adaptr> ..and then Linux would *be* Windows
[02:58] <surgy> adaptr: do you mind explaining how to do that?
[02:59] <VanessaE> and if they do that, you end up with the same problem windows has - package/dep conflicts
[02:59] <adaptr> surgy: I'll look into it
[02:59] <tekteen> Can someone help me with software modems on a toshiba laptop?
[02:59] <surgy> adaptr: thank you much
[02:59] <tekteen> Can someone help me with software modems on a toshiba laptop?
[02:59] <VanessaE> (that's why win dll's used to always get broken, package A installed xyz.dll but package B supplies it's own, incompatible copy of xyz.dll)
[02:59] <HymnToLife> !modem | tekteen
[02:59] <ubotwo> tekteen: You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto
[02:59] <wolfwalker> Well the thing is...........I'm having trouble getting my linux computer online
[02:59] <wolfwalker> So I can't run Adept
[02:59] <tekteen> ty
[02:59] <VanessaE> adept can fetch from CD also
[02:59] <adaptr> mardi: the file has in it what you attempted earlier in the network-manager, so that worked out okay
[03:00] <wolfwalker> But if I can't run Adept, I have to spend hours tracking down dependencies
[03:00] <VanessaE> look in /etc/apt/sources.list and see if there's such a line that's commented out
[03:00] <VanessaE> (usually at the top)
[03:00] <wolfwalker> Just to install the simplest program
[03:01] <adaptr> wolfwalker: what do you need to connect to the internet ? unless it's wireless, this is usually solved in minutes - I know for a fact there are usb modem drivers in the kernel (but not if yours are, obviously)
[03:01] <mardi> adaptr: but we are not using "network-manager", should we be?
[03:01] <mardi> adaptr: we are using the stock KDE Network Settings gui
[03:02] <adaptr> mardi: network-manager edits the file.. that's all it does - oh and a few other files, for DNS, and restrtas interfaces and that sort of thing.. but it's just a shell, it does nothing mysterious
[03:03] <adaptr> mardi: if you want to start from scratch with your configured values, run "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart"
[03:03] <adaptr> mardi: if it then *still* goes to DHCP something is missing from my assumptions (which may very well be the case)
[03:04] <h3sp4wn> mardi: edit /etc/network/interfaces directly is as easy as anything
[03:04] <malik_> hi there.........is any one able to play multimedia stuff from msn in konqi?
[03:04] <surgy> adaptr: can you help me make sense of this? i think its the solution http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30233
[03:05] <h3sp4wn> mardi: the example in man 5 interfaces is pretty comprehensive
[03:06] <adaptr> surgy: instead of "defaults", use " auto,ro,umask=000"
[03:07] <surgy> adaptr: im my fstab?
[03:07] <mardi> adaptr: when we run 'sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart' we get this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2210/
[03:07] <adaptr> surgy: yes
[03:08] <adaptr> mardi: none of this relates to eth0 - I don't know why these interfaces are even in the file - if you don't use them, remove them
[03:08] <adaptr> mardi: your IP should now be 1.2 instead of 1.3
[03:08] <adaptr> mardi: run ifconfig and verify
[03:08] <DaveQB> My power management tool, guidance ? , doesnt have any option for CPU scaling. Pictures online do. Do I need to add a package ?
[03:08] <mardi> adaptr: i don't know why they are in that file either, all we have edited in it is eth0 values
[03:08] <surgy> adaptr: do i have to unmount and remount?
[03:09] <DaveQB> this is for my laptop Core 2 Duo Lenovo
[03:09] <adaptr> mardi: you would have them physically, I presume
[03:09] <adaptr> surgy: yep
[03:09] <mardi> adaptr: i really don't know.... ifconfig show the static IP as 192.168.1.2
[03:10] <surgy> adaptr: whats the command for unmount?
[03:10] <adaptr> mardi: then why don't you know > I told you it would
[03:10] <adaptr> surgy: sudo umount /media/windows
[03:10] <K-Ryan> Ubotu is still down?
[03:10] <ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[03:10] <mardi> adaptr: i mean, i really don't know if that box has all of those interfaces physically installed, all i see the onboard NIC which the cat 5 is plugged into
[03:10] <malik_> when next version of kubuntu comes...........whats the esy way to upgrade or install that without loosing my custom made settings?......will i have to install all those applications again?
[03:11] <K-Ryan> no malik_
[03:11] <adaptr> mardi: then maybe it's an Ubuntu default of sorts - I would remove them, myself
[03:11] <K-Ryan> you can upgrade through Konsole
[03:11] <wolfwalker> Okay, now I'm getting a bit ticked off
[03:11] <K-Ryan> and a little bit of Adept
[03:11] <adaptr> mardi: experiment, read man pages - you'll get the hang of it
[03:11] <K-Ryan> and you won't lose your stuff unless you reinstall completely
[03:11] <mardi> adaptr: remove them in the /etc/network/interfaces file eh?
[03:11] <wolfwalker> My ISP tried to fob off my inability to access ubuntuguide.org on something else
[03:12] <wolfwalker> Grrrr
[03:12] <adaptr> wolfwalker: only now ? we were ticked off ages ago ...
[03:12] <adaptr> wolfwalker: what was the "something else" ?
[03:12] <mardi> we try to read man pages, sometimes we just don't 'connect' with the info they provide
[03:12] <wolfwalker> Okay, going back to the ethernet connection.
[03:12] <surgy> adaptr: kewl works now
[03:12] <wolfwalker> It worked one time
[03:12] <adaptr> surgy: I rule
[03:12] <wolfwalker> Then stopped working
[03:12] <K-Ryan> lol!
[03:12] <surgy> adaptr: thats only read/execute not write/delete  right?
[03:12] <wolfwalker> That's why I've been pursuing USB drivers for my modem
[03:12] <K-Ryan> yes adaptr: you rule =)
[03:12] <malik_> K-Ryan: u mean i wont have to download the full cd?.....i can just update the needed components n it will become new version?
[03:12] <adaptr> wolfwalker: what did *they* say
[03:13] <wolfwalker> They tried to say it was because of my antivirus
[03:13] <K-Ryan> malik_ Yes, could of done it with Edgy too
[03:13] <adaptr> malik_: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will move you to the newest version if and when it is available
[03:13] <ubuntu_> anyone installed kubuntu on a dell laptop?
[03:13] <adaptr> malik_: and these upgrade paths are *heavily* tested beforehand
[03:13] <mardi> adaptr: thanks so much for you assistance :)
[03:13] <adaptr> mardi: np
[03:14] <DaveQB> malik_: thats correct
[03:14] <malik_> kewlies thats goo then........coz i have all the linux on one partition
[03:14] <DaveQB> malik_: I have had little problems updating from Breezy > Dapper and Dapper > Edgy
[03:14] <intelikey> wolfwalker ?
[03:14] <DaveQB> the latter being the better of the 2
[03:14] <mardi> adaptr: we have edited the /etc/network/interfaces to just show lo and eth0 and are restarting the computer now
[03:14] <DaveQB> it actually fixed a few problems thats crept in
[03:14] <DaveQB> anyone know about CPU freq scaling ?
[03:15] <wolfwalker> Anyway, what do I do to bug fix the (formerly working) ethernet connection to my modem?
[03:15] <intelikey> "<wolfwalker> They tried to say it was because of my antivirus"  <<< i missed the prelude.  what's this about ?
[03:15] <K-Ryan> I'm so bored
[03:15] <K-Ryan> I got my opengl working
[03:15] <K-Ryan> I don't have anything I need to make work
[03:16] <K-Ryan> And I don't need help either, boooooring
[03:16] <malik_> how do i play multimedia stuff from ninemsn.com.au in konqi?........it keeps asking me for IE windows media player and shockwave
[03:16] <wolfwalker> |intelikey:| I couldn't access ubuntuguide.org, although others say it is up
[03:16] <wolfwalker> My ISP says it's not because of them
[03:16] <DaveQB> K-Ryan: know about CP freq scaling ? ;)
[03:16] <wolfwalker> Anyway, what do I do to bug fix the (formerly working) ethernet connection to my modem?
[03:16] <K-Ryan> DaveQB sorry no
[03:16] <adaptr> wolfwalker: when you're on Ubuntu ? that's actually quite funny
[03:17] <DaveQB> d0h
[03:17] <K-Ryan> DaveQB I'd help you if I did =P
[03:17] <DaveQB> i know ;)
[03:17] <wolfwalker> I'm not on Ubuntu, I'm on Winblows
[03:18] <surgy> anyone know how to make the clock run in twelve hour mode instead of 24 (i know its a stupid question but i cant find the check box)
[03:18] <adaptr> wolfwalker: then it could very well be true
[03:18] <wolfwalker> I can't get the Kubuntu komputer to access the modem
[03:18] <intelikey> wolfwalker i just pinged ubuntuguide.org  27 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 26016ms
[03:18] <adaptr> intelikey: that proves nothing
[03:18] <mardi> adaptr: after a reboot, we do an ifconfig and it shows the IP as 169.254.141.22, the /etc/network/interfaces file looks like this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2213/
[03:19] <wolfwalker> Anyway, what do I do to bug fix the (formerly working) ethernet connection to my modem?
[03:19] <angasule> intelikey: it seems to be down for me
[03:19] <intelikey> wget ubuntuguide.org   Resolving ubuntuguide.org...
[03:19] <wolfwalker> At least I'm not the only one...........
[03:19] <intelikey> times out
[03:19] <intelikey> that proves that i can't reach it.
[03:19] <adaptr> mardi:  bugger, then it's not using the file
[03:19] <mardi> adaptr: thats what we thought! urg...
[03:19] <stdin> surgy: right click the clock, choose "Date & Time Format" click the "Time &  Date" tab, and under "Time format" choose "pH:MM:SS AMPM"
[03:20] <adaptr> intelikey: I can reach it just fine.. why do you persist in these weird "solutions" ?
[03:20] <adaptr> intelikey: perhaps you have the same ISP as wolfwalker?
[03:20] <intelikey> adaptr "weird solutions" ?
[03:20] <wolfwalker> I have a crapshoot ISP called Centurytel
[03:20] <intelikey> adaptr nopt
[03:20] <intelikey> nope
[03:21] <adaptr> intelikey: ICMP not returning proves nothing whatsoever for a web server, and wget timing out proves just one thing: your DNS is not working
[03:21] <adaptr> intelikey: so your nameservers suck, and likely his do to....
[03:22] <intelikey> adaptr or there is another explanation maybe.  like the site is unreachable for many....
[03:23] <intelikey> Q-West is no small isp btw
[03:23] <adaptr> intelikey: and how would that be an explanation? the site being unreachable for many geographically dispersed people actually *needs* an explanation, it isn't one at all
[03:23] <K-Ryan> Mez at its current state I'm not sure it's an upgrade.
[03:24] <adaptr> intelikey: small it is not, no.. but all the more crappy
[03:24] <surgy> stdin: what about changing the scroll speed in konqerer
[03:24] <surgy> stdin: ?
[03:24] <stdin> surgy: no clue, never needed to
[03:24] <mardi> adaptr: in the KInfoCenter/ Network Interfaces we show 2 devices for eth0, one shows and IP of 169.254.141.22, the other shows 192.168.1.3
[03:24] <angasule> my ISP is the largest one in Argentina, but I have no clue whose DNS I'm using currently (I know they work well, that's why I've stuck with them)
[03:24] <adaptr> mardi: now you've done it ! :)
[03:25] <stdin> surgy: #kde may help
[03:25] <surgy> stdin: my mouse wheel skipps like 5 pages per scroll
[03:25] <surgy> stdin: thnx
[03:25] <Mez> K-Ryan, ??
[03:25] <mardi> adaptr: we really didn't realize that this box has 2 NICs...
[03:25] <K-Ryan> surgy you can change that
[03:25] <adaptr> mardi: did you run the network thing as root ?
[03:25] <K-Ryan> Mez it isn't very stable
[03:25] <K-Ryan> I'm told anyway
[03:25] <Mez> K-Ryan, half way through release cycle ;)
[03:25] <intelikey> adaptr so anything not forged in your furnace and hammered on your anvil is  "crappy"  i'm guessing that this openion is founded on some reasonable logic and not just "cause adaptr said so"...
[03:25] <Mez> K-Ryan, well I'm good enough to be able to fix it
[03:25] <adaptr> mardi: oh.. okay :) so you need to alias eth0 in /etc/modules.conf, so it fixes it to one NIC
[03:25] <K-Ryan> Mez, alright then ;)
[03:25] <Mez> I'm part of the kubuntu team - so i should use the devel version at some point
[03:26] <K-Ryan> Are you really?
[03:26] <K-Ryan> Neato
[03:26] <Mez> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team https://launchpad.net/~mez
[03:26] <Mez> in fact I'm an admin of the kubuntu team ;)
[03:26] <mardi> adaptr: ok, there's only 1 NIC port back behind the box itself.
[03:27] <adaptr> intelikey: no idea what you're ranting about, but to stay with the topic: when you say that a website does not respond to ICMP echo and that trying to resolve its IP times out, then one thing is for certain: you have in no way established that the web site is down
[03:27] <adaptr> intelikey: while I have it open in firefox and therefore have definitively established that it is, in fact, up
[03:27] <K-Ryan> England time zone, from England?
[03:27] <adaptr> K-Ryan: Moscow, probably :)
[03:27] <intelikey> adaptr and ?
[03:27] <K-Ryan> Shouldn't you be asleep? =P
[03:28] <bxnp> hi mez, i always read your blog
[03:28] <mardi> adaptr: there is no file called /etc/modules.conf
[03:28] <adaptr> mardi: more shame on Ubuntu, then :)
[03:28] <K-Ryan> Well I guess you shouldn't because then I wouldn't have this great release of Kubuntu =)
[03:28] <mardi> adaptr: it's on the Kubuntu box, actually, is that a prob, too?
[03:28] <K-Ryan> Actually..
[03:28] <adaptr> intelikey: I did not say that you said that - merely that your methods of investigation could not have established that one way or the other
[03:29] <Mez> bxnp, really? I rarely write in it :D
[03:29] <Mez> whats so interesting about it ? :P
[03:29] <adaptr> mardi: apart from me not running KDE, not really
[03:29] <K-Ryan> Mez, when putting certain tags from the search box thing in Adept manager back to the box it crashes.
[03:29] <K-Ryan> Is it my fault, or the devs?
[03:29] <Mez> K-Ryan, any tag, or specific tags?
[03:29] <K-Ryan> Not sure
[03:29] <adaptr> mardi: what I usually do is this: go to the menu entry for network-settings, right-click and choose to add it to your panel
[03:29] <bxnp> ehm well you write more then i do on my blog
[03:30] <K-Ryan> It happened with one under the games section...
[03:30] <K-Ryan> Let me try to recreate it
[03:30] <bxnp> i got the feed from planet ubuntu i believe mez
[03:30] <surgy> ok guys thanx a million gonna go whatch some movies before i go tweaking my ui again
[03:30] <Mez> if you can recreate it - file a bug
[03:30] <adaptr> mardi: then right-click the new panel icon and look in the properties for the real name of the applet
[03:30] <K-Ryan> Can't you? =)
[03:30] <surgy> thanx again k-ryan and adaptr
[03:30] <Mez> bxnp,  so why read mine  ? :P
[03:30] <K-Ryan> Your welcome surgy
[03:30] <adaptr> mardi: you can then run this as root, or any other way  you please
[03:30] <adaptr> surgy: yw
[03:30] <Mez> K-Ryan, it's better if you explain it .. .:D If I cant make the bug I cant do it
[03:30] <intelikey> adaptr my methood of investigating was to see if the website responded to a ping or could be wgoten    and from normal means it can not.   i also opened the "index.php" on that site in elinks  but the wait time is extreem.  thus in my openion the website is not worth messing with.
[03:30] <Mez> plus I cant access adept atm
[03:30] <Mez> upgrading
[03:30] <bxnp> i read, every item wich comes from planet ubuntu
[03:31] <Mez> bxnp, then you probably read a lot of people in here's blogs
[03:31] <mardi> adaptr: The command to run it is: termsettings -caption "%c" %i %m
[03:31] <adaptr> intelikey: well, that's not what you said earlier.. at least, not all of it. It takes about 5 seconds for me to show the index, BTW
[03:31] <bxnp> your last one  So a MAMEing we go.
[03:31] <K-Ryan> I suppose so Mez
[03:31] <adaptr> mardi: *term*settings ? are you sure ?
[03:31] <bxnp> lol, i dont know, you are the first i met
[03:32] <K-Ryan> Now I remember what it was...
[03:32] <mardi> adaptr: oops, systemsettings
[03:32] <intelikey> adaptr "<adaptr> intelikey: well, that's not what you said earlier.."  excuse me.   i didn't eariler mention that i had used elinks   but on dialup the wait time is over one minute
[03:32] <K-Ryan> Except now it's not doing it...
[03:32] <adaptr> mardi: thought so
[03:33] <K-Ryan> Yeah now I can't get it again
[03:33] <adaptr> intelikey: no, that's not what I meant - what you omitted during the conversation with wolfwalker was *what* you were trying to establish
[03:33] <K-Ryan> Well if I find it again, I'm sure I will, I'll report it.
[03:34] <adaptr> intelikey: but it hardly matters - you can't open the site, I can, others don't care - enough OT
[03:34] <mardi> adaptr: even in root mode, it won't change the settings permanently, it changes the ip and stuff, but when you hit "apply" it changes back to the original IP address, which is very fustrating. :)
[03:34] <adaptr> mardi: which Kub did you install, and did you upgrade it ?
[03:34] <intelikey> adaptr i could have said that when you started....  just thought it must have mattered to you....
[03:35] <mardi> adaptr: This is Kubuntu 6.10, and it was upgraded last night, yep.
[03:35] <bxnp> mardi, are you sure you dont get the ip via dhclient
[03:35] <K-Ryan> HAH! I got the bug!
[03:35] <K-Ryan> !bugs
[03:35] <ubotwo> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[03:35] <mardi> bxnp: yes, very sure. :)
[03:36] <bxnp> oke
[03:36] <K-Ryan> wait, do I have to search for the bug to see if it has been reported?
[03:36] <bxnp> just checking, cause i am kinda following your thread
[03:36] <mardi> adaptr: I think what might be happening is that it's showing the eth0 in the network settings, and editing the other eth0.
[03:37] <mardi> adaptr: is there a way to disable one of the eth0's in network interfaces?
[03:38] <intelikey> K-Ryan you should check that it hasn't been addressed already.   doesn't matter if it's been reported but if it's been fixed.   no need reporting something that has the solution already posted.
[03:38] <K-Ryan> well im looking around and I dont see it
[03:39] <adaptr> mardi: you'll have to browse through dmesg to find out what happens on reboot.. it is more or less unpossible to have more than one eth0
[03:39] <adaptr> mardi: dmesg | grep eth
[03:41] <intelikey> dmesg | grep -ie ' eth'
[03:41] <mikey_la> how can i setup vnc/remote desktop on kubuntu so that i can connect to the gui from a different pc?
[03:41] <mardi> adaptr: dmesg | grep eth shows http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2214/
[03:42] <mardi> intelikey: shows the same info
[03:42] <adaptr> mardi:  this suggest you have only the one, it is an Intel Gigabit NIC
[03:42] <mardi> adaptr: that's a start, I suppose. :)
[03:43] <stdin> output of ifconfig ?
[03:43] <bxnp> mikey_la,
[03:43] <bxnp> use this
[03:43] <charlie5> are configuration files in /usr/share, ever used by the system, or are they always only example/sample files ?
[03:43] <intelikey> mardi on your setup probably but plain eth will hit Method also and possably other words  but  ' eth' requires eth being the first letters of a word
[03:43] <intelikey> mardi only mentioned it for convinenance
[03:44] <adaptr> mardi: yeah.... I'm not sure what happens, but I would certainly look into the KDE network settings overwriting the debian interfaces - I think that's what happens
[03:44] <stdin> "dmesg | grep eth" shows firewall events too :)
[03:44] <adaptr> mardi: open up your services panel and see if it says anything about networking
[03:45] <bxnp> mikey_la, use tsclient, its a gnome app but its looks good and is very usable
[03:45] <bxnp> does remote terminal session and vnc
[03:45] <mardi> adaptr: when I go to "Kinfocenter", Network Interfaces, I have 2 listings for eth0. The top one says: eth0 169.254.141.22 255.255.0.0 Broadcast Up 00:0e:a6:2e:7f:f3. The second one says the exact same thing, except that it shows the IP address as being 192.168.1.3, and the network mask as 255.255.255.0
[03:45] <bxnp> btw mikey_la are you talking about windows desktop or linux desktops
[03:46] <mikey_la> bxnp: i want to setup a remote desktop server on kubuntu
[03:46] <mikey_la> bxnp: not client
[03:46] <bxnp> use no_machine solution
[03:46] <bxnp> nxclient and server
[03:46] <bxnp> works great
[03:47] <bxnp> or try the linux terminal server project
[03:47] <mardi> adaptr: networking is not running in the system services section, no.
[03:48] <mardi> adaptr: I suppose turning it on is good?
[03:50] <mikey_la> bxnp: so LTSP will allow me to access my linux box @ home while im @ work thru the GUI?
[03:50] <bxnp> yes but if that is the case use freenx
[03:51] <adaptr> mardi: can you tell me if dhclient is now running ?
[03:51] <mardi> adaptr: yes, but how? :)
[03:52] <adaptr> ps -e | grep dhc
[03:52] <mardi> adaptr: nope, not running
[03:52] <mikey_la> bxnp: its known as "NoMachine" correct? assuming its open-source, is it reliable, secure?
[03:52] <adaptr> mardi: that's odd-ish.. it should never fall back to DHCP or 169* if it's not running.. but you could try starting networking
[03:53] <bxnp> yes it uses openssh
[03:53] <bxnp> for the encryption,
[03:53] <bxnp> trust me its good and very simple to setup
[03:53] <mardi> adaptr: Networking doesn't seem to want to start. Trying a reboot?
[03:53] <adaptr> mardi: I'd look in your logs, first
[03:53] <mikey_la> bxnp: thanks, ill check it out
[03:54] <bxnp> do you need help installing it or could you figure that out for yourself
[03:54] <adaptr> mardi: what does the networksettigs applet say now ?
[03:54] <intelikey> yeay for the M$ catch all   "reboot"
[03:54] <mardi> adaptr: I wish we had an networking applet. :(
[03:54] <jarn> The loading screen stopped working when I upgraded from Dapper to Edgy a few weeks ago. By loading screen, I mean when you boot up and it's black with blue text that says "Kubuntu" and the bar that goes up and it says it's loading things.
[03:54] <adaptr> mardi: there is exactly one reason to reboot a *nix machine
[03:55] <adaptr> mardi: and networking is never it
[03:55] <mardi> adaptr: ok
[03:55] <adaptr> mardi: you have a networking applet
[03:56] <mardi> adaptr: oh? where do I find it?
[03:56] <stdin> jarn: dose the system still boot?
[03:56] <jarn> stdin: Yes.
[03:56] <jarn> stdin: I'm using it now. ;)
[03:57] <stdin> jarn: It's probably the new init system (upstart)
[03:57] <adaptr> mardi: system -> admin menu ? ever see it ?
[03:57] <stdin> jarn: mine is the same
[03:57] <jarn> stdin: So there's no way to fix it?
[03:57] <bxnp> btw how is upstart stdin
[03:57] <bxnp> is it better then the older way
[03:57] <mardi> adaptr: the only thing we have is System Settings, which has a Network Settings area.
[03:57] <mardi> That's the area that shows us the two eth0's
[03:58] <adaptr> mardi: okay... KDE screwed up, then
[03:58] <stdin> jarn: not that I know of, it's because upstart is "quiet" so usplash  (the loading screen) sees no messages
[03:58] <intelikey> jarn bootsplash ?
[03:58] <mikey_la> bxnp: thanks. i found a howto @ the forums
[03:58] <stdin> bxnp: boots are a lot faster for me :) always a good thing
[03:59] <bxnp> oke well that should do the trick mikey_la
[03:59] <jarn> stdin: I didn't really get that. Does usplash only run when it sees messages, and upstart prevents it from seeing messages?
[03:59] <jarn> intelikey: ?
[03:59] <bxnp> kee, its with efty right stdin
[03:59] <adaptr> mardi: you really need to figure out what happens when you boot the machine, before X is running.. one way to find out is to exit X now and look at the network config
[03:59] <intelikey> nothing.  never mind.
[03:59] <stdin> bxnp: yeah, it's default (afaik) with edgy, but you can choose to go back to sysvinit if you want
[04:00] <stdin> jarn: usplash is the loading screen, and because it sees no messages, it doesn't know how far in to the boot process it is, so can't display the bar
[04:01] <jarn> stdin: Ah.
[04:01] <jarn> stdin: I think I have grub set to boot it quiet, if I took that off would it work?
[04:01] <adaptr> mardi: why don't you disable the second eth0 entry and configure the remaining entry properly ?
[04:01] <jarn> stdin: I think I have a -quiet flag set.
[04:01] <mardi> adaptr: that'd be great, but how do we disable the second eth0? :p
[04:01] <stdin> jarn: you probably do, it's default, but if you remove it, you may get more messages that you want
[04:02] <mardi> adaptr: we're logged into the concol now, no X
[04:02] <jarn> stdin: But would the loading screen show?
[04:02] <adaptr> mardi: what do you mean, no X ? it is still running
[04:02] <intelikey> one can use -verbose
[04:02] <mardi> adaptr: nah, just killed the computer. One tic.
[04:03] <mardi> adaptr: we've clicked on concole login.
[04:03] <stdin> jarn: I've never tried, infact I turned usplash off on my system
[04:03] <adaptr> mardi: okay, now what does ifconfig show ?
[04:03] <stdin> jarn: but it can do no damage, so you can try it and see
[04:03] <jarn> stdin: Okay, I'll try it. Where are the flags set?
[04:03] <mardi> adaptr: it goes to a blinking cursor, and you hit any key and it goes back to the Kubuntu login screen.
[04:04] <adaptr> mardi: when you do what ?
[04:04] <intelikey> doesn't sound like he's logged in that console
[04:05] <mardi> adaptr: never mind, we got it. :) Now, I'm looking in the ifconfig
[04:05] <stdin> jarn: you have 2 choices, you can remove the option at boot and it will only apply for that boot (slightly complex), or you can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and remove the option there, which is more permanent
[04:05] <adaptr> mardi: you're making things harder on yourself.. go to a console and run sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[04:05] <adaptr> oh
[04:05] <jarn> stdin: How do I do the latter?
[04:05] <K-Ryan> has anyone installed this "WorldForge" game?
[04:06] <stdin> jarn: press Alt-F2 (to open the run dialogue) and enter "kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst" (without the quotes)
[04:06] <jarn> stdin: Do I modify the line "kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=UUID=5109aadb-0e30-468a-9c31-cc4357ffddad ro quiet splash noapic nolapic acpi=off"
[04:06] <stdin> jarn: yeah, just remove the "quiet" part
[04:06] <jarn> stdin: Okay, thanks.
[04:06] <mardi> adaptr: ok
[04:07] <jarn> stdin: Also, how do I remove a kernel? I have no use for the 386 kernel, yet it installed itself.
[04:07] <stdin> jarn: no problem :)
[04:07] <stdin> intelikey: I just remove "splash"
[04:07] <mardi> adaptr: done. Now what?
[04:08] <K-Ryan> !worldforge
[04:08] <ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[04:08] <adaptr> mardi: well.. what does ifconfig say ? tat's all I want to know
[04:08] <adaptr> however you got there
[04:11] <|Daisuke_Ido|> i feel so dirty right now
[04:11] <intelikey> |Daisuke_Ido| using windows ?
[04:11] <adaptr> you're running WIndows ?
[04:11] <adaptr> LOL
[04:11] <|Daisuke_Ido|> not quite
[04:11] <adaptr> you're running Windows in VMware ?
[04:11] <|Daisuke_Ido|> but i've been unable to get any fserve script/package working in linux
[04:12] <|Daisuke_Ido|> so i resorted to running mirc + sysreset in wine
[04:12] <adaptr> !bicthx
[04:12] <ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[04:12] <adaptr> hehe
[04:12] <adaptr> !bitchx
[04:12] <ubotwo> bitchx - Advanced Internet Relay Chat client - available in Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) - See http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for more information
[04:12] <adaptr> dumbot!
[04:12] <|Daisuke_Ido|> or irssi
[04:12] <adaptr> well.. bitchx is more scriptable
[04:12] <|Daisuke_Ido|> true
[04:12] <ForgeAus> whats sysreset?
[04:12] <adaptr> but a bitch to script well :)
[04:13] <jarn> How do I uninstall kernels I don't want? And did the 'generic' kernel take the plact of the 'k7' kernel?
[04:13] <|Daisuke_Ido|> sysreset is an fserve script for mirc
[04:13] <ForgeAus> IC
[04:13] <ForgeAus> kewl
[04:13] <intelikey> xchat-text
[04:13] <ForgeAus> hehe I'm a big mIRC fan :) I don't get why so many people seem to hate it tho
[04:13] <|Daisuke_Ido|> like i said, it's a nasty temporary hack solution until i have more time to do it right
[04:13] <adaptr> jarn: just.. uninstall them; generic is a replacement for all kernels > i386
[04:13] <|Daisuke_Ido|> i don't hate mirc.
[04:13] <jarn> adaptr: How do I uninstall them, though?
[04:14] <adaptr> jarn with synaptic/adept ?
[04:14] <|Daisuke_Ido|> i hate not being able to do things properly in linux, and therefore resorting to running mirc under wine
[04:14] <jarn> adaptr: Ah, thanks. I didn't know I could do it from there.
[04:14] <intelikey> jarn whith any package manager frontend
[04:14] <adaptr> jarn: they're just packages, like anything else in ubuntu
[04:14] <ForgeAus> wine is kewl :)
[04:14] <adaptr> wine is evil
[04:14] <ForgeAus> adaptr? in what way?
[04:14] <adaptr> unless it runs ultimate Doom
[04:14] <jarn> adaptr: I did not know that.
[04:15] <ForgeAus> rofl ultimate doom?...
[04:15] <ForgeAus> thats the one after doom2 right?
[04:15] <ForgeAus> kinda combo's doom 1 + doom 2
[04:15] <adaptr> it's all of them rolled into one
[04:15] <ForgeAus> and a bit more
[04:15] <intelikey> apt aptitude dselect  <<<cli | adept synaptic  <<< gui   and possably others  all frontends to  dpkg = the debian package manager
[04:16] <adaptr> kpkg, dpkg
[04:16] <ForgeAus> kpkg?
[04:16] <mardi> adaptr: apologies for taking so long, it was hand written. :) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2218/
[04:16] <adaptr> kpackage, sorry
[04:16] <ForgeAus> ahh
[04:17] <intelikey> yes and kpackage and another one....  can't recall
[04:17] <adaptr> mardi: so it's still trying DHCP, but failing because you've disabled the server
[04:17] <adaptr> mardi: that's Not Good
[04:17] <adaptr> mardi: is dhclient running now?
[04:17] <K-Ryan> Hey guys, what can you recommend for entertainment? I'm bored.
[04:17] <ForgeAus> kinstall?
[04:17] <K-Ryan> entertainment being a game or something fun
[04:17] <adaptr> K-Ryan: go over to #ubuntu and say with a straight face that Kubuntu is 10x better
[04:18] <K-Ryan> =)
[04:18] <adaptr> it will entertain them, for a while
[04:18] <intelikey> K-Ryan setup a mail server and see how long it takes to start getting spam
[04:18] <ForgeAus> hehe adaptr.. with a straight face?
[04:18] <intelikey> :)
[04:18] <ForgeAus> how are they going to know on IRC if your face is.. erm str8?
[04:18] <mardi> adaptr: doesn't show anything when I type: ps -e | grep dhc
[04:18] <ForgeAus> (well you could always fake a smiley)
[04:18] <K-Ryan> I'll post a :|
[04:18] <K-Ryan> =P
[04:18] <N6REJ> can anyone help me get sun java 1.4.2 installed?
[04:19] <K-Ryan> intelikey I could setup my own mail server as in like blah@blah.com
[04:19] <K-Ryan> kind of thing
[04:19] <adaptr> mardi: well, it did do it at some time though... that's the only way it would get the apipa address
[04:19] <intelikey> K-Ryan /join ##windows and ask them if you need a firewall or anything cause you don't have one....
[04:19] <intelikey> :)
[04:19] <ForgeAus> thats like that good old pointer sisters song with a st8 face in your best deadpan voice "I'm so excited, I just can't hide it, I'm about to loose control and I think I like it" :|
[04:19] <intelikey> K-Ryan yes you could..
[04:19] <N6REJ> I follow suns instructios but when I type java -version it says it can't find /usr/bin/java
[04:19] <K-Ryan> wait i dont get the firewall thing intelikey
[04:19] <adaptr> K-Ryan: better yet - ask if anbody can point to you 64bit drivers for your $random-warble USB dongle....
[04:20] <mardi> adaptr: initially, I suppose. Should we restart networking now?
[04:20] <adaptr> mardi: can't hurt to try
[04:20] <K-Ryan> Should I just go ask them how their anti-virus programs are working?
[04:20] <stdin> N6REJ: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java  see that
[04:20] <K-Ryan> >:)
[04:20] <intelikey> K-Ryan about the same    heh
[04:21] <N6REJ> stdin: unfortuantly that only covers 1.5.  I can't use 1.5 and blackdown doesn't install a "java" link either.
[04:21] <mardi> adaptr: it reconfigered network interfaces.. nothing changed in the ifconfig thou.
[04:21] <adaptr> mardi: you ran it as root ?
[04:21] <mardi> adaptr: as sudo, yep
[04:21] <intelikey> K-Ryan "<K-Ryan:##windows> Because you know, Linux users can't get virii."  <<< actually they can and do....
[04:22] <K-Ryan> Shh, they don't know that
[04:22] <stdin> N6REJ: after you install jave you must use "sudo update-alternatives --config java" to set it to the correct path
[04:22] <ForgeAus> but virii under linux are rare for the most part right?
[04:22] <adaptr> mardi: try ifdown eth0 / ifup eth0 (with sudo)
[04:23] <N6REJ> stdin: is that also true with suns?  I tried update-java-alternatives -l and that didn't work
[04:23] <adaptr> mardi: according to the man page that should use the interfaces file
[04:23] <stdin> N6REJ: it's needed for ANY java install
[04:23] <bxnp> mez, what is the solution for the error message KDEInit could not launch
[04:23] <N6REJ> stdin: ok, tyvm.. I'll try that ..
[04:23] <intelikey> ForgeAus virii having any affect on a linux box is rare  you can be like typhoid mary and spread them all over the place tho.
[04:24] <mardi> adaptr: tried the ifdown & ifup as sudo. No difference in the ifconfig.
[04:24] <adaptr> mardi: I'm starting to doubt my sanity now...
[04:24] <adaptr> I probably need to go to bed
[04:24] <mardi> adaptr: been doubting mine since last night, had nightmares about networking.
[04:25] <adaptr> mardi: better leave it till tomorrow then ...
[04:25] <intelikey> sudo ifconfig eth0 up    ????
[04:25] <stdin> bxnp: whwn that happened to me, I had to restart "klauncher"
[04:26] <bxnp> oke let me check
[04:26] <mardi> adaptr: it doesn't make sense. could it be in the bios? :p
[04:26] <mardi> intelikey: same thing, thanks thou
[04:26] <K-Ryan> I started a big conversation in the windblows channel =)
[04:27] <McGoogler> Yeah, I noticed
[04:27] <McGoogler> Funny to watch
[04:27] <K-Ryan> Okay, I got bored
[04:27] <K-Ryan> Now what
[04:27] <McGoogler> They're still talking to you even though you've left
[04:27] <K-Ryan> =D
[04:28] <stdin> K-Ryan: bored? compile a custom kernel :)
[04:28] <bxnp> cause some guy came in with the problem he could not laucn korganizer with alt F2
[04:28] <bxnp> and i notice i have the same problem
[04:28] <K-Ryan> stdin I want entertainment
[04:28] <bxnp> i cant run korganizer with alt F2
[04:28] <bxnp> so thats why i asked stdin
[04:28] <intelikey> K-Ryan you want a challange /join ##linux and explain how much better ie is than anything linux has to offer...
[04:28] <K-Ryan> trap a windows user in a maze, put his computer at the end and remove his antivirus and firewall
[04:29] <K-Ryan> See how long it takes him to get to the end =)
[04:29] <K-Ryan> intelikey but then i'd be lying
[04:29] <bxnp> but stdin klauncher is started by kdeinit right, why do it manualy
[04:29] <K-Ryan> At least in the windows channel i wasnt =)
[04:29] <intelikey> lol
[04:30] <K-Ryan> Wish I could take up coding
[04:30] <stdin> bxnp: I had the problem when I tried to launch pretty much anything, kept getting an error like "Sorry, KDEInit can't launch [application] ", and killing and restarting klauncher solved it
[04:30] <jarn> stdin: Well, removing the quiet flag did not give me a loading screen. :/ Oh well... atleast now I know what's going on, it can be disconcerting to see it sitting at one place while booting with nothing going on.
[04:30] <K-Ryan> jarn you just get a bunch of writing too?
[04:30] <K-Ryan> instead of the kubuntu loady screen you see it for a second, then just text right?
[04:30] <K-Ryan> i've got the same thing >.>
[04:31] <bxnp> did it allso worked afther a reboot
[04:31] <jarn> K-Ryan: I don't even see the loading screen.
[04:31] <K-Ryan> oh
[04:31] <K-Ryan> Well I don't know how to fix mine, so sorry
[04:31] <stdin> jarn: I normally turn it off, so I just see the text console at boot, at least I see some output then :)
[04:31] <K-Ryan> text = eww
[04:31] <K-Ryan> If I want text I goto my konsole =)
[04:32] <K-Ryan> I'd rather see a shiny "Kubuntu" logo
[04:32] <stdin> nah, it's too "XP" for me :)
[04:32] <K-Ryan> It kind of is
[04:32] <K-Ryan> But it's better
[04:32] <ForgeAus> lol stdin
[04:32] <K-Ryan> It's just like "EAT THIS WINDOWS!"
[04:32] <K-Ryan> *sparkle*
[04:33] <ForgeAus> thats one way of looking at it!
[04:33] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Having a good time with your nice GNU operating system?
[04:33] <K-Ryan> manchicken I love it
[04:33] <K-Ryan> I only went on Windows once since I got Kubuntu running
[04:33] <K-Ryan> And it was to do something for my lil brother
[04:34] <ForgeAus> hmmm is there a GNU Linux?
[04:34] <ForgeAus> I know Debian hurd is
[04:34] <McGoogler> K-Ryan: Hah that sounds like me - I only just installed Kubuntu yesterday
[04:34] <manchicken> I don't even feel like I'm missing out.  Especially now that I'm able to play DVDs again ^_^
[04:34] <ForgeAus> and a few other alternative kernel ones...
[04:34] <stdin> ForgeAus: GNU/Linux is the OS
[04:34] <K-Ryan> I've had Kubuntu for 4 or 5 days now
[04:34] <stdin> ForgeAus: Linux is just the kernel, not the OS
[04:34] <K-Ryan> actually, almost a week
[04:34] <K-Ryan> tomorrow makes it a week...
[04:35] <ForgeAus> uh stdin you just managed to confuse me...
[04:35] <K-Ryan> but out of that week ive successfully been using it for 4 days probably
[04:35] <ForgeAus> linux is just the kernel so that would be the GNU bit right? but the OS ontop of the kernel?
[04:35] <jarn> I go in Windows every once in awhile, when I need to print or put stuff on my MP3 player.
[04:35] <bxnp> but stdin, do you know the reason why the error message appears
[04:35] <K-Ryan> I mean, once I get Wine working(not that I want to yet) I won't need to go on WIndows
[04:35] <K-Ryan> jarn you can setup your printer for Linux
[04:35] <stdin> ForgeAus: Linux = the kernel, GNU = the tools available, together they make an OS GNU/Linux
[04:36] <jarn> K-Ryan: I looked into that, noone has ever gotten the kind I have working with Linux.
[04:36] <K-Ryan> Ouch
[04:36] <K-Ryan> Lucky for me mine was a quick run of the mill driver install
[04:36] <jarn> And my MP3 player uses MTP.
[04:36] <ForgeAus> stdin and kubuntu is based on a debian alteration of that.. right?
[04:36] <stdin> bxnp: nope, I haven't found the cause nor can I recreate it
[04:36] <manchicken> jarn: What you got?
[04:36] <K-Ryan> MTP? File format?
[04:36] <manchicken> jarn: I have amarok working with MTP.
[04:36] <manchicken> MTP == Media Transfer Protocol
[04:36] <jarn> manchicken: Canon Pixma IP1600.
[04:36] <stdin> ForgeAus: debian = a GNU/Linux
[04:36] <jarn> manchicken: How do you get it working with MTP?
[04:37] <manchicken> jarn: I had to make a custom build of amarok, which is really easy to do.
[04:37] <jarn> manchicken: Ah.
[04:37] <K-Ryan> Media Transfer Protocol, needs a program to send to the MP3 player?
[04:37] <stdin> ForgeAus: the GNU part means that the tools are from GNU
[04:37] <manchicken> jarn: Are you on amd64?
[04:37] <jarn> manchicken: Indeed.
[04:37] <bxnp> KDEInit could not launch anybody know's what this message means and how to solve it
[04:38] <manchicken> jarn: If you're on an amd64 processor then I can just send you a deb.
[04:38] <stdin> ForgeAus: you could run a GNU/Windows if you could separate the windows kernel from the rest of the OS
[04:38] <jarn> manchicken: That would be awesome.
[04:38] <mardi> Does anyone know... Why would KDE Info Centre see 2 eth0 devices. lspci -v shows only 1.
[04:38] <manchicken> stdin: And make it POSIX compliant ^_^
[04:38] <K-Ryan> So back to my boredom, any recommendations?
[04:38] <stdin> heh
[04:38] <manchicken> jarn: So you are running amd64?  PM me your email addy.
[04:40] <stdin> ForgeAus: basically: Linux != OS, GNU != OS, GNU+Linux == OS :P
[04:40] <HymnToLife> GNU != OS, but it still tries to be :p
[04:40] <K-Ryan> Hey guys is there a way I can have my Windows key pull up some Kubuntu website? =)
[04:41] <N6REJ> stdin: I'm doing something stupid cause its not working!
[04:41] <K-Ryan> Or do I have to get myself a Tux sticker and put it on there?
[04:42] <N6REJ> stdin: I dl'd the 1.4.2 sdk.  moved it to /usr/local/ and then executed it. then when I do the update-alternatives nothing is listed.
[04:42] <stdin> K-Ryan: you want this http://www.cherry.de/english/products/keyboards_master-linux.htm :)
[04:43] <stdin> N6REJ: if you know the path to the java executable, you can just point the symlink at /usr/bin/java to it
[04:43] <K-Ryan> stdin: How much is it? =D
[04:43] <N6REJ> stdin: what would the executable look like?  I don't know java at all
[04:45] <noiesmo> stdin, N6REJ you can use this command to set up java > sudo update-alternatives --config java
[04:45] <K-Ryan> Still bored =(
[04:45] <stdin> K-Ryan: 22.72 inc VAT :)
[04:45] <K-Ryan> Youch
[04:45] <N6REJ> noiesmo: let me try that  I thought I did already.
[04:46] <stdin> noiesmo: yes, tried that. not working here :)
[04:46] <K-Ryan> Hey you know what would be fun?
[04:46] <K-Ryan> Going into BestBuy, popping a Kubuntu CD in every display computer and rebooting!
[04:46] <stdin> N6REJ: did you actually run the install script ?
[04:47] <noiesmo> is jvm in /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-2un*
[04:47] <stdin> K-Ryan: can you imagine the panic from the IT support guys :P
[04:47] <N6REJ> stdin: yeah as afar as I know, and now i've got 2 j2sdk1.4.2_13's!  blackdown ( which I thought I removed and sun which isn't showing up.
[04:47] <K-Ryan> stdin: the ones running Vista would be my first targets =)
[04:47] <N6REJ> noiesmo: I have to use java 1.4.2 because of opentaps.
[04:47] <stdin> noiesmo: nope, it's not java 1.5 we're installing here
[04:48] <N6REJ> can't get 1.5 to work with it.
[04:48] <N6REJ> stdin: 1.5 was a nobrainer
[04:48] <N6REJ> let me start all over and make sure nothing extra is installed.
[04:48] <stdin> N6REJ: when you downloaded the file from sun, did you run it ?
[04:48] <ForgeAus> hmmm windows 98 doesn't fill a partition evenly right?
[04:48] <manchicken> !paste
[04:48] <ubotwo> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:48] <noiesmo> ok
[04:48] <N6REJ> stdin: yes'r
[04:48] <ForgeAus> it fills in different spots wherever it wants...
[04:48] <rachel__> Does anyone know how I can make my monitor turn off when I close my laptop?
[04:48] <K-Ryan> Woohoo, the pure dj stream is live again =)
[04:48] <ForgeAus> if I resize it in qtparted what happens?
[04:49] <manchicken> jarn: Could you please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list on that the pastebin of your choice/
[04:49] <stdin> N6REJ: did you run it with sudo ?
[04:49] <ForgeAus> I just realized I got the space if I do this to make a kubuntu partition!
[04:49] <N6REJ> stdin: yes'r
[04:49] <jarn> manchicken: Am.
[04:49] <K-Ryan> ForgeAus you are taking into account that 1024B make 1 KB, 1024KB make 1MB, etc.
[04:49] <K-Ryan> Right?
[04:49] <noiesmo> N6REJ, are you installing the java-1.4.2.bin manually or have you installed java-package and used fakeroot to make a deb package
[04:50] <N6REJ> noiesmo: I was doing it manually, is there a better way?
[04:50] <jarn> manchicken: http://pastebin.com/863350
[04:50] <N6REJ> noiesmo: right now update-alternatives --config java thinks I've got 2 and I shouldn't have any.
[04:50] <noiesmo> N6REJ, this is the sets i got 1.4.2 to work with like frostwire etc it uses java-packagae and fakeroot
[04:51] <noiesmo> N6REJ, step 1 - sudo apt-get install java-package
[04:51] <ForgeAus> um my C: has hardly anything on it!
[04:51] <noiesmo> Step 2 fakeroot make-jpkg jre-VERSION.bin
[04:51] <ForgeAus> just windows 98 and a zipslack (slackware linux on a fat32 that doesn't work anyway
[04:51] <ForgeAus> so if I shrink that partition what happens?
[04:51] <noiesmo> N6REJ, Step 2 fakeroot make-jpkg jre-VERSION.bin
[04:51] <N6REJ> noiesmo: it suggests I install dhmake should I?
[04:52] <K-Ryan> ForgeAus if you shrink it, it should trim the empty space off it
[04:52] <ForgeAus> does the stuff stored at the end of the partition get squished back? or does it get overwritten?
[04:52] <noiesmo> N6REJ, step 3 sudo dpkg -i sun-j2reVERSION+update05_i386.deb
[04:52] <K-Ryan> And leave the stuff at the end alone
[04:52] <N6REJ> noiesmo: I need the sdk not just the jre
[04:52] <manchicken> jarn: Uncomment the deb-src lines, and then do an apt-get update and then do `apt-get source amarok`
[04:52] <helpmeImagirl> Please someone help me make my monitor turn off when I shut my laptop!
[04:52] <jarn> manchicken: Also.
[04:52] <ForgeAus> K-ryan ok sounds kewl how do I do that?
[04:52] <jarn> manchicken: Er, okay.
[04:52] <K-Ryan> Well you can do it with an Ubuntu/Kubuntu Live CD
[04:52] <ForgeAus> I have one
[04:52] <ForgeAus> I'm using it now
[04:52] <ForgeAus> how?
[04:52] <K-Ryan> open the install, go up to the manually edit partitions area
[04:53] <K-Ryan> then arrange it how you see fit then click "commit"
[04:53] <K-Ryan> and exit the installer
[04:53] <ForgeAus> I'm running qtpart
[04:53] <ForgeAus> K-Ryan that squishes it for me?
[04:53] <K-Ryan> dunno what qtpart is
[04:53] <noiesmo> N6REJ, you should still be able to end up with a deb that you install then it should be in path etc
[04:53] <ForgeAus> qtparted is the program the installer runs
[04:53] <djilks> Shit, anyone use kubuntu on a dell laptop?
[04:53] <ForgeAus> to manage partitions
[04:53] <K-Ryan> ForgeAus It will cut off the empty space
[04:53] <intelikey> if false ;then It doesnt matter what you put here. ;fi
[04:53] <K-Ryan> And leave the filled space alone unless you try to cut into it
[04:53] <N6REJ> noiesmo: let me check.. do you know how to get rid of all the tothers so I can start clean?
[04:54] <K-Ryan> If you try to cut into filled space, I don't know what would happen, but it would continue to "cut" not "squish"
[04:54] <ForgeAus> are you saying windows doesn't use the end of the drive like it shows in defragmenters?
[04:54] <jarn> manchicken: It still couldn't find one. But I think I have a problem with my sources, because when I do apt-get update it goes through about 50 things and my sources list is nowhere NEAR that big, and a lot of things get ignored and stuff.
[04:54] <K-Ryan> It's not that it isn't used
[04:55] <K-Ryan> Well, actually no, it doesn't
[04:55] <ForgeAus> oh ok...
[04:55] <K-Ryan> I don't think so anyway
[04:55] <noiesmo> N6REJ, not sure if installed via apt-get then use remove
[04:55] <swami> any one has installed latex?
[04:55] <ForgeAus> so that's ok then if its all stored in a mostly contiguous block that I can slice up free space after...
[04:55] <manchicken> jarn: Get that source package and I can walk you through the rest of it.
[04:55] <N6REJ> noiesmo: yeah, I did install blackdown that way but it thinks its still there :(
[04:56] <jarn> manchicken: When I did apt-get source amarok I got the same error.
[04:56] <ForgeAus> as long as it doesn't overwrite or cut out data it needs
[04:56] <K-Ryan> ForgeAus should be, but as a precaution for whenever you modify partitions its good to make backups
[04:56] <jarn> manchicken: It still isn't finding it.
[04:56] <manchicken> jarn: Did you run apt-get update?
[04:56] <jarn> manchicken: Yes.
[04:57] <manchicken> Weird.
[04:57] <jarn> manchicken: I think I have some problems with my sources, because I get a lot of 'Ign' and it does WAY more sources than I have in my list.
[04:57] <ForgeAus> hehe K-Ryan but I don't have space for a backup
[04:57] <ForgeAus> anyhow thanx
[04:57] <jarn> manchicken: It has ever since I upgraded. I think it's doing something weird.
[04:57] <K-Ryan> Np
[04:57] <K-Ryan> Just be careful with it
[04:57] <ForgeAus> if it messes up I can always recreate my 98 part... (98 has DLL faults at the moment anyway, but that should be easy to fix)
[04:58] <manchicken> jarn: Can you update the sources.list that you posted?
[04:58] <ForgeAus> I can always reinstall it fresh
[04:58] <K-Ryan> Ah, okay
[04:58] <K-Ryan> Wasn't sure if that was an option.
[04:58] <jarn> manchicken: What do you mean? Post the way it is after I uncommented those lines?
[04:58] <ForgeAus> but I think I'll try a pre-XP repair repair (ie an upgrade installation of 98se over 98se :) lol)
[04:58] <sampan> how do i get k3b to burn mp3s?  amarok plays them just fine but k3b doesn't list any mp3 plugins
[04:58] <ForgeAus> that way if it works it keeps all the settings just needs os updates
[04:58] <intelikey> [ is a shell builtin
[04:59] <manchicken> jarn: Yeah.  Just post the whole file again.
[04:59] <ForgeAus> not that microsoft support that anymore
[04:59] <ForgeAus> ok I'm sure I'm going to have to sort out boot management...
[04:59] <K-Ryan> Microsoft is probably going to drop XP within the next 6 months
[05:00] <ForgeAus> no way
[05:00] <manchicken> I don't think so.
[05:00] <ForgeAus> they can't... Vista is only new
[05:00] <ForgeAus> (is it even officially released yet?)
[05:00] <K-Ryan> Within the next year or so?
[05:00] <manchicken> Vista won't be adopted as much as they want it to be.
[05:00] <manchicken> Corporations won't move.
[05:00] <ForgeAus> I agree
[05:00] <ForgeAus> Vista won't go well
[05:00] <ForgeAus> or at least not as well as MS want
[05:00] <ForgeAus> theres nothing in it necessary
[05:00] <K-Ryan> Well I've spoken to two people in this channel who are setting up an office in Ubuntu/Kubuntu
[05:00] <manchicken> My employer told us that they weren't planning on moving.
[05:00] <K-Ryan> So yeah
[05:01] <K-Ryan> Then what manchicken?
[05:01] <ForgeAus> the force will be software that doesn't support XP in the future that will force Vista takeup
[05:01] <jarn> manchicken: Oops... I missed two of the deb-src lines. Got the majority, but missed two.
[05:01] <jarn> manchicken: Am getting the source now.
[05:01] <manchicken> K-Ryan: They're staying with XP and GNU.
[05:01] <manchicken> jarn: Groovy.
[05:01] <K-Ryan> Oh! "weren't"
[05:01] <K-Ryan> Thought it said "were"
[05:01] <N6REJ> stdin: I found part of the problem.  It thinks java 1.5 is still installed.  Left all the links there :(
[05:01] <drake_> Holas
[05:02] <intelikey> N6REJ update-alternatives ?
[05:02] <K-Ryan> drake_ no hablas englais?
[05:02] <jarn> manchicken: Okay, what now?
[05:02] <drake_> no
[05:02] <K-Ryan> !es
[05:02] <drake_> hablo espaol
[05:02] <ubotwo> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[05:02] <drake_> xD
[05:02] <K-Ryan> ;)
[05:02] <drake_> #ubuntu-es
[05:02] <K-Ryan> "/join #ubuntu-es"
[05:03] <drake_> thanks
[05:03] <manchicken> jarn: http://pastebin.com/863354 <-- Add those lines to ./debian/amarok.install right after  line #37.
[05:03] <ForgeAus> lol helps if I don't have the parition I'm trying to modify mounted when I resize it !
[05:03] <drake_> xD
[05:03] <N6REJ> intelikey: I tried once I can try again.  I want to get rid of everything and start fresh. ( as far as java is concerned)
[05:03] <K-Ryan> de nada
[05:03] <K-Ryan> Yeah ForgeAus =P
[05:04] <intelikey> N6REJ apt-get --purge remove ^sun-java*
[05:04] <jarn> manchicken: Where is that? I do not have a folder called debian in my ~ folder.
[05:04] <K-Ryan> Damn it! PureDJ's live session is over again >.>
[05:05] <manchicken> jarn: It should have created a folder named amarok something.
[05:05] <N6REJ> intelikey: trying
[05:05] <intelikey> find /usr/ amarok.install
[05:05] <ForgeAus> I wondered what qtparted's error was... didn't actually SAY one, just had a dialog up with no message.. I guess what it was was complaint that it was mounted
[05:05] <manchicken> jarn: CD into that first, and then add it to the ./debian/amarok.install file in there.
[05:05] <jarn> manchicken: Ah, it did. Thanks.
[05:05] <K-Ryan> #Kubuntu, entertain me.
[05:05] <K-Ryan> Please? =)
[05:05] <N6REJ> intelikey: it keeps saying it can't find package "blah"
[05:05] <ForgeAus> grrr still doing it
[05:05] <intelikey> find ~/ /usr/ -name amarok.install
[05:05] <stdin> K-Ryan: no :P
[05:05] <K-Ryan> stdin: =(
[05:06] <intelikey> N6REJ then i'd say it's not installed.
[05:06] <K-Ryan> You've left me scouring the package list for anything of interest
[05:06] <stdin> K-Ryan: you get beryl installed ?
[05:06] <N6REJ> intelikey: but all the 1.5 java links are still there :(
[05:06] <K-Ryan> stdin: XGL lagged too much
[05:07] <intelikey> N6REJ you can remove any links manually    find /usr/bin/ -type l
[05:07] <stdin> K-Ryan: shame, it's always good for a 5 mins boredom cure
[05:07] <N6REJ> intelikey: ok, let me do that
[05:07] <K-Ryan> I would of enjoyed that
[05:07] <K-Ryan> But my P4 1.8Ghz can't handle it
[05:08] <stdin> K-Ryan: mine is a 2.8 :)
[05:08] <jarn> manchicken: Okay, I added that.
[05:08] <bxnp> mikey_la, how can i help you
[05:08] <intelikey> 1.8g can't handle .....  </blinks>
[05:08] <manchicken> jarn: After that, just type `debuild` and wait for it to build.
[05:08] <ForgeAus> I got a p4 3g
[05:08] <ForgeAus> hyper-threaded at that!
[05:08] <K-Ryan> stdin: rub it in
[05:08] <manchicken> jarn: that will create a bunch of .deb files one directory up.
[05:09] <stdin> my pc is 5+ years old, still out proforms a newer pc with XP on it
[05:09] <ForgeAus> hehe stdin yeah
[05:09] <jarn> manchicken: bash: debuild: command not found
[05:09] <K-Ryan> mine is going on 6 years old
[05:09] <intelikey> K-Ryan hmmm 1.8ghz can't handle graphics ???   then i porbably can't run kubuntu on a 100mhz box can i ?
[05:09] <ForgeAus> XP espeically with norton is SLOW
[05:09] <N6REJ> intelikey: ok, I' think I've got all deleted.  /etc/jvm just has /usr inside of it.
[05:09] <K-Ryan> intelikey this was XGL we're talking about
[05:09] <ForgeAus> SP2 also slows it but I think its more a better slow that way...
[05:10] <intelikey> K-Ryan i know  but could it have been the card and not the cpy ?
[05:10] <N6REJ> intelikey: this is what I want to install ... j2sdk-1_4_2_13-linux-i586.bin
[05:10] <intelikey> cpu
[05:10] <manchicken> jarn: Okay.  `cd ..` and then `sudo apt-get source amarok --compile`
[05:10] <stdin> ForgeAus: one of the reasons I really HATE xp right now, is because I have to PAY for a norton subscription :(
[05:10] <K-Ryan> stdin: no doubt with my computer upgrades it outdoes other computers, but it still lacks with processing power which hits me sometiems
[05:10] <intelikey> N6REJ ok
[05:10] <K-Ryan> intelikey: what card?
[05:10] <ForgeAus> stdin UNINSTALL NORTON!
[05:10] <ForgeAus> you DON"T NEED NORTON!
[05:10] <intelikey> vidio
[05:11] <ForgeAus> Spybot + AVGfree is enough
[05:11] <manchicken> stdin: There's a free software windows virus scanner.
[05:11] <ForgeAus> unless your a business...
[05:11] <esc_ape> stdin: avast! is also another free A/V
[05:11] <stdin> ForgeAus: you insane, I'm not having a XP install with no AV, plus I only payed it a month or 2 ago, I'll wait untill it runs out :P
[05:11] <mardi> adaptr: still here?
[05:11] <ForgeAus> yeah avast is ok
[05:11] <manchicken> stdin: http://www.clamwin.com/
[05:11] <ForgeAus> stdin DO HAVE AV just not NORTON
[05:11] <K-Ryan> intelikey: my video card is an Ati Radeon 9800
[05:11] <ForgeAus> norton is evil
[05:11] <intelikey> N6REJ sudo apt-get install j2sdk1.4 j2re1.4
[05:12] <K-Ryan> 128MB
[05:12] <ForgeAus> will probably end up messing up your OS anyway eventually
[05:12] <K-Ryan> Avast is what I used, did the trick
[05:12] <stdin> I don't trust free AV, mostly because I haven't looked in to it. I on;y touch the win box to fix it
[05:12] <ForgeAus> its got too many hooks into the system
[05:12] <N6REJ> intelikey: don't use the sun binary?
[05:12] <K-Ryan> stdin Avast is good for free AV
[05:12] <manchicken> K-Ryan: xgl actually works pretty well on nvidia, it kinda sucks on ATI though.
[05:12] <K-Ryan> not spyrware ridden or anything
[05:12] <Dr_willis> been using AVG free version for year+ works fine for me.
[05:12] <K-Ryan> *spyware
[05:12] <ForgeAus> um AVG free finds more that NORTON does anyway!
[05:13] <manchicken> stdin: Check the one I showed you.
[05:13] <intelikey> K-Ryan was just asking.   1.8ghz should imo handle any graphics you want to run  but what do i know...
[05:13] <ForgeAus> yeah Avast! I recommend too its AV + Spyware in one
[05:13] <jarn> manchicken: Build command 'cd amarok-1.4.3 && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc' failed. E: Child process failed
[05:13] <ForgeAus> but I'd prefer supplimenting it with either spybot/AVGfree and/or adaware Personal Edition
[05:13] <intelikey> N6REJ those are both in the repos.
[05:13] <stdin> manchicken: by the time norton subscription is up, I plan to have kubuntu on it anyway :P
[05:13] <ForgeAus> I don't Trust Avast! alone
[05:13] <K-Ryan> intelikey: I wasn't saying "What's wrong with you!?" I was saying, "Shouldn't this be adequet?"
[05:13] <N6REJ> intelikey: ok.
[05:13] <ForgeAus> plus it finds false positives on my system (which I guess is a good thing)
[05:13] <K-Ryan> Why not ForgeAus?
[05:14] <jarn> manchicken: I needed to install cdbs. Am doing so now.
[05:14] <K-Ryan> It detects anything you may not want, not just virii
[05:14] <swapan> any HAL/DBUS guru here ? have a question about proper .fdi file setup for a USB MTP device
[05:14] <manchicken> jarn: Right.  Install build-essential, too.
[05:14] <K-Ryan> It detected some prank programs that I used =)
[05:14] <manchicken> stdin: Good ^_^
[05:14] <manchicken> stdin: Then you won't need to worry about virus scanners at all ^_^
[05:14] <ForgeAus> grrr brb
[05:14] <jarn> manchicken: Have it. I've compiled things from source before. Specifically, wine.
[05:15] <manchicken> cool
[05:15] <stdin> manchicken: it's only there so my dad can play some online poker thing, which I'll try and get running in wine (when I can be bothered) or vlware as a last resort, don't care if the install in vmware has a virus on it. I'll just reinstall it :)
[05:15] <ForgeAus> trying AGAIN!
[05:16] <ForgeAus> hehe vmware makes an AWESOME sandbox
[05:16] <ForgeAus> for anything
[05:16] <K-Ryan> vmware?
[05:16] <intelikey> K-Ryan yeah and i was only answering that the whole box should be adaquet   the drivers for ati i suspect was your problem    but being ignorant in that field i'll hush there.
[05:16] <ForgeAus> I want to get a MacOSX running under it sometime
[05:16] <ForgeAus> 10Gig tho
[05:16] <manchicken> stdin: What does that stuff work under?  Flash?
[05:16] <stdin> K-Ryan: heh, you don't know about vmware??
[05:16] <N6REJ> intelikey: "grant the stop thread runtime permissions"?
[05:16] <K-Ryan> stdin: nope
[05:16] <Dr_willis> vmware is a lot of fun.
[05:16] <ForgeAus> I agree
[05:16] <ForgeAus> especialyl for OS enthusiasts
[05:16] <intelikey> N6REJ yes
[05:17] <Dr_willis> I use it to test live cds a lot. befor burning the isos
[05:17] <ForgeAus> like I've turned into recently
[05:17] <K-Ryan> intelikey: fglrx probably does have something to do with it but I still think my 1.8Ghz would of struggled
[05:17] <stdin> manchicken: no, it's a app you download, if it was just flash or java it wouldn't be much of a problem
[05:17] <intelikey> could be.
[05:17] <manchicken> stdin: Wine works.
[05:17] <ForgeAus> I want to get Feisty when its out of alpha/beta status because my kubuntu seems to be slightly damaged
[05:17] <ForgeAus> (it works for the most part tho)
[05:17] <stdin> K-Ryan: it lets you run another OS in linux (or windows)
[05:17] <N6REJ> intelikey: its doing its thing
[05:17] <ForgeAus> whats the green circle in the system tray?
[05:18] <K-Ryan> stdin wouldnt that require a really good computer though?
[05:18] <stdin> manchicken: last time I tried it, it didn't work in wine. But I haven't tried in ages
[05:18] <ForgeAus> when it tries to load that I get a guidance error
[05:18] <intelikey> N6REJ your welcome.
[05:18] <K-Ryan> ForgeAus: "No updates needed"
[05:18] <stdin> K-Ryan: no, no really
[05:18] <intelikey> later guys
[05:18] <K-Ryan> Bye intelikey
[05:18] <N6REJ> intelikey: thats it? no update-alternative or nothing?
[05:18] <ForgeAus> K-Ryan?
[05:18] <K-Ryan> stdin: Oh, well, okay. =)
[05:18] <stdin> K-Ryan: it shares the CPU, and you can decide how much ram it uses :)
[05:18] <K-Ryan> ForgeAus: the green circle in the system tray thing
[05:19] <ForgeAus> oh thats what the green circle means I get it!
[05:19] <ForgeAus> hmm so thats Adept's updater?
[05:19] <K-Ryan> ForgeAus: ;)
[05:19] <K-Ryan> Otherwise it will show a warning sign kind of thing
[05:19] <esc_ape> I always sudo apt-get remove adept-updater
[05:19] <stdin> esc_ape: why ?
[05:20] <N6REJ> oh, nuts... no jvm now :(
[05:20] <esc_ape> actually, I always remove adept - I prefer not to have apps do things automatically
[05:20] <ForgeAus> for qtparted do you use sudo or kdesu?
[05:21] <esc_ape> I like my kde pretty minimal
[05:21] <Dr_willis> kdesu for apps that have a X interface
[05:21] <stdin> esc_ape: I don't have adept do anything automatically, you just close the notifier, and it won't open again
[05:21] <ForgeAus> hehe I'm a maximalist
[05:21] <jarn> manchicken: I think something went wrong. 'dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source'
[05:21] <N6REJ> stdin: how do I get the jvm now?
[05:21] <stdin> esc_ape: I actually use the synaptic one, it shows the changelogs :)
[05:21] <stdin> N6REJ: which one (version) ?
[05:22] <esc_ape> stdin : yeah I pretty much only use apt-get
[05:22] <esc_ape> that's all I need
[05:22] <manchicken> jarn: I'll email you my amarok.install file.  Make a backup copy of yours.
[05:22] <N6REJ> stdin: I got 1.4.2 installed ( blackdown ) and now java -version shows it properly, but /etc/jvm only has /usr in it.
[05:22] <jarn> manchicken: Maybe I should just try something else. O.o
[05:23] <esc_ape> anyone know how to back up kmail?
[05:23] <stdin> N6REJ: have you tried it yet ?
[05:24] <ForgeAus> are microsoft still saying the next revolution in computers will be in software?
[05:24] <N6REJ> stdin: yeah, but I'm goig to try again.
[05:24] <K-Ryan> Come on guys, isn't there something you can recommend, I'm sitting here watching my konsole be the computer from "Matrix"
[05:24] <manchicken> jarn: This isn't a very hard thing to do ^_^
[05:24] <jarn> manchicken: Okay.
[05:24] <stdin> esc_ape: backup your ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/ and ~/.kde/share/config/kmailrc
[05:24] <manchicken> jarn: It's actually the most beautiful part about free software.
[05:25] <manchicken> jarn: Freedom #1: The freedom to modify the software to suit your needs.
[05:25] <N6REJ> stdin: There are 0 alternatives which provide `java_vm'.
[05:25] <Jucato> hm...
[05:25] <ForgeAus> um can I run an OS from an extended partition?
[05:25] <esc_ape> stdin : thanks. I knew that kde/share/apps/kmail had to be backed up...but not kmailrc...thanks
[05:25] <ForgeAus> (or does it have to be primary?
[05:25] <manchicken> ForgeAus: Depends on the bootloader.
[05:25] <manchicken> ForgeAus: IIRC, GRUB can.
[05:26] <ForgeAus> um.. I'm prolly going to hav grub overwriting my ntldr
[05:26] <manchicken> Jucato: Aww, you're so affectionate.
[05:26] <ForgeAus> so grub is the one I think
[05:26] <Jucato> manchicken: I have learned to associate "freedom" with "manchicken"
[05:26] <manchicken> Jucato: The only thing holding me back on this adept change right now is that I don't understand what user experience Riddell is going for.
[05:27] <manchicken> Jucato: Better "freedom" then "jerk" ^_^
[05:27] <ForgeAus> I think I'd rather try and use ntldr tho
[05:27] <ForgeAus> if I can
[05:27] <mardi> Question: When KDE starts, there are 2 eth0's in the KinfoCenter and it messes with my static IP. When I go into System Services, and RESTART networking twice, it then lists only 1 eth0 in KinfoCenter, and everything is right with my static IP. Anyone know why this is so, or how to fix it? (Please, we're going crazy here!! ;) )
[05:27] <Jucato> manchicken: oh please please please do the UI change for the Manage Repositories :)
[05:27] <manchicken> ForgeAus: I'm not familiar with that bootloader.
[05:27] <K-Ryan> I can see what parts of Earth are lit up! =D
[05:27] <ForgeAus> NTLDR is XP's bootloader
[05:27] <esc_ape> mardi : check your /etc/network/interfaces file
[05:28] <ForgeAus> (also NT's)
[05:28] <esc_ape> sudo kate /etc/network/interfaces
[05:28] <manchicken> Jucato: Riddell wants that to be a change to software-properties in the PyGTK update-manager package.
[05:28] <mardi> esc_ape: checking now
[05:28] <manchicken> Jucato: I have no real interest in python right now.
[05:28] <K-Ryan> Not that it's a big deal, but I't entertaining me for another 30 seconds.
[05:28] <Jucato> manchicken: ah... ok... something beyond you. I understand :)
[05:28] <ForgeAus> its pretty generic its just that I don't really know properly how to refer to partitions in it
[05:28] <manchicken> Jucato: Ooh, low blow.
[05:28] <ForgeAus> most of that is in the boot.ini
[05:28] <Jucato> manchicken: I meant, beyond your interests :)
[05:28] <manchicken> Jucato: When you work with scripting languages for a living, it's nice to get away from them.
[05:29] <K-Ryan> manchicken: teach me
[05:29] <stdin> N6REJ: do you have "j2re1.4" installed ?
[05:29] <ForgeAus> oh it sez that its moving data! ouch
[05:29] <N6REJ> stdin: yes
[05:29] <ForgeAus> this is ok tho, if its just squishing it and doesn't mess anything up
[05:29] <Jucato> mardi: just in case you still don't get some answer here, you can try alternative means of support, like the forums or the mailing lists
[05:29] <mardi> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2229/
[05:29] <jarn> manchicken: What is noname and do I need it?
[05:29] <ForgeAus> (squishing the end free space towards the new end)
[05:30] <mardi> esc_ape: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2229/
[05:30] <Jucato> manchicken: don't get mad... please?? :(
[05:30] <manchicken> K-Ryan: It's pretty easy.  Just jump into something.
[05:30] <N6REJ> stdin: does the /etc/jvm file need to point to the folder that hase "java_vm"?
[05:30] <manchicken> Jucato: Not upset.  I was dusting off my ficus tree ^_^
[05:30] <stdin> N6REJ: it seems to not add an entry to the alternatives list
[05:30] <K-Ryan> manchicken don't know where to start or what to start with =/
[05:31] <manchicken> jarn: What now?
[05:31] <manchicken> jarn: that I sent over email?
[05:31] <N6REJ> stdin: yeah, and I was specifically told to be sure I did that in the ofbiz instructions
[05:31] <manchicken> jarn: That's probably my GnuPG signature.  Don't worry about it.
[05:31] <esc_ape> mardi - sorry, I dont see anything wrong there
[05:31] <N6REJ> stdin: 1.5 did it automatically
[05:31] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Do you have any development experience?
[05:31] <jarn> manchicken: Okay.
[05:31] <mardi> esc_ape: me neither. :/
[05:31] <stdin> N6REJ: try addind the dir
[05:32] <manchicken> jarn: Just copy that amarok.install file over, and then rebuild the package.
[05:32] <K-Ryan> manchicken: I'm 15 almost 16 with a VERY lot of time on my hands.
[05:32] <manchicken> jarn: You're on edgy, right?
[05:32] <stdin> N6REJ: should be something like "/usr/lib/j2se/1.4/"
[05:32] <K-Ryan> manchicken: But no, I know nothing code wise.
[05:32] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Not too bad.  I started programming when I was 7 ^_^
[05:32] <jarn> manchicken: Yes.
[05:32] <K-Ryan> manchicken: Putting the right block in the right slot is not programming.
[05:32] <N6REJ> stdin: let me check
[05:32] <K-Ryan> =P
[05:32] <manchicken> K-Ryan: There are several ways to get into something.  The way I think that really helps learning the most is to just dive into helping someone maintain an existing program.
[05:33] <stdin> K-Ryan: most 15-16 year olds do something else with there free time :P
[05:33] <manchicken> K-Ryan: It is that simple sometimes.
[05:33] <K-Ryan> stdin: my free time issue is not because i'm skipping school or anything
[05:33] <manchicken> stdin: I didn't.  But that's because I'm the king of geeks.
[05:33] <K-Ryan> stdin: illness tyvm
[05:33] <ForgeAus> erm I think I better reset just to check that my win98 is still functional
[05:33] <ForgeAus> bbl
[05:34] <N6REJ> stdin: yeah thats the only one listed... weird.
[05:34] <N6REJ> ok.
[05:34] <manchicken> I used to skip school to hack.
[05:34] <manchicken> ^_^
[05:34] <K-Ryan> pfffffffff
[05:34] <K-Ryan> Well I mean
[05:34] <stdin> K-Ryan: learn a language
[05:34] <stdin> (not french)
[05:34] <manchicken> Now I just hack whenever I want to ^_^
[05:34] <stdin> python :)
[05:34] <K-Ryan> *Skip school, hack school, tell school you are there, continue with whatever else"
[05:34] <K-Ryan> replace " with *
[05:34] <jarn> manchicken: Okay, it's compiling.
[05:34] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Find a project you're interested in helping out with.
[05:35] <manchicken> jarn: Cool.  When it's done it'll make 3 .deb packages.
[05:35] <jarn> manchicken: Thanks.
[05:35] <stdin> K-Ryan: join a LoCo team
[05:35] <manchicken> jarn: You'll want to `sudo dpkg -i` those .debs (in case you didn't know)
[05:35] <K-Ryan> LoCo?
[05:35] <jarn> manchicken: ;)
[05:35] <stdin> K-Ryan: Local Community
[05:35] <K-Ryan> Oh
[05:35] <esc_ape> mardi - do you have two ethernet cards?
[05:36] <manchicken> jarn: No problem.  Just an FYI, keep the .debs around.  adept_notifier wants to overwrite your modified patches because they don't match the expected checksums.
[05:36] <K-Ryan> Well what language would you recommend?
[05:36] <esc_ape> maybe you have two separate modules starting up
[05:36] <manchicken> jarn: i've accidentally overwritten my amarok build several times.
[05:36] <stdin> K-Ryan: eg: I'm a member of the ubuntu-uk team https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam :)
[05:36] <jarn> manchicken: Okay.
[05:36] <manchicken> K-Ryan: I like C++ ^_^
[05:36] <jarn> manchicken: Thanks.
[05:36] <manchicken> K-Ryan: What's your locale?
[05:36] <K-Ryan> locale as in location?
[05:37] <K-Ryan> NY
[05:37] <jarn> manchicken: Btw, how do I find out which device my MP3 player is when I plug it in? I've been screwing around with another program called "Gnomad2" while amarok is compiling.
[05:37] <manchicken> jarn: Any time man.  It's all good.  Spread the love and the freedom ^_^
[05:37] <gecko_> hey all
[05:37] <HymnToLife> K-Ryan, x86 assembly
[05:37] <jarn> manchicken: And I think what I need to do is mount my MP3 player, because it keeps telling me no jukebox is found on usb drives.
[05:37] <K-Ryan> Oh umm, still not sure what you mean.
[05:37] <manchicken> jarn: In amarok just set up the device as an MTP device.
[05:37] <manchicken> jarn: It's pretty simple after  that.
[05:37] <K-Ryan> You mean the 64 bit thing or the other one?
[05:37] <manchicken> I don't know what gnomad2 does.
[05:37] <Dr_willis> jarn,  check 'dmesg' output - and see if the device is seen when you plug it in
[05:38] <mardi> esc_ape: nope, just the one on-board ethernet card. It shows as being the same hardware address too. The thing that fixes it is a restart twice of networking.
[05:38] <jarn> manchicken: It's made for the kind of MP3 player I have.
[05:38] <K-Ryan> It's the 32 bit one that's from before the 64 bit stuff
[05:38] <manchicken> jarn: I have a Creative Zen Vision:M.
[05:38] <gecko_> I have been out of the linux loop for awhile... can someone help me with some tips to making kubuntu pretty cool looking? any place for themes? or anything for customization?
[05:38] <K-Ryan> I don't happen to recall its name because it has never phased me.
[05:38] <manchicken> jarn: Works nicely with amarok.
[05:38] <jarn> manchicken: Ooo... Fancy.
[05:38] <K-Ryan> gecko_ try www.kde-look.org
[05:38] <Dr_willis> !theme
[05:38] <ubotwo> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[05:38] <gecko_> K-Ryan : thanks
[05:38] <jarn> manchicken: I have a Creative Zen MicroPhoto. I'm jealous. ;)
[05:38] <K-Ryan> No problem
[05:38] <Jucato> !changethemes | gecko_
[05:39] <ubotwo> gecko_: [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[05:39] <K-Ryan> I love it when my name is said, I hear a "DING!"
[05:39] <K-Ryan> Like a bell, but not completely
[05:39] <gecko_> ive had problems with gnome
[05:39] <manchicken> jarn: I want a Neuros Personal Media Computer.
[05:39] <gecko_> menus dont show up...and i get an error about daemon tools?
[05:39] <gecko_> kde works ok tho
[05:39] <jarn> Dr_willis: It is seen. I think.
[05:39] <jarn> Dr_willis: Since it lists 4 USB devices.
[05:40] <K-Ryan> Okay, so manchicken I guess you're recommending C++?
[05:40] <Dr_willis> jarn,  look in media:/ and  /media/  in konqueror.
[05:40] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Yeah.  Python, Perl, and Ruby aren't bad to learn either.
[05:40] <K-Ryan> manchicken: Let's stick with 1 thing at a time =)
[05:40] <esc_ape> whats up with the korganizer reminder daemon?
[05:40] <stdin> K-Ryan: you may want to try something simpler, like python
[05:40] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Most of KDE is developed in C++.
[05:41] <Jucato> C++/Qt/KDE
[05:41] <manchicken> Yes.
[05:41] <K-Ryan> manchicken: What would be good for an intermediate user, but is still a useful language?
[05:41] <manchicken> I don't really care for Python when I could be using C++.
[05:41] <manchicken> K-Ryan: C++ is good for intermediate.  I was programming C when I was 12.
[05:41] <jarn> manchicken: It thinks it's a camera. O.o
[05:41] <jarn> manchicken: Er, meant to say that to Dr_willis
[05:41] <manchicken> jarn: KDE does think it's a camera.
[05:41] <jarn> Dr_willis: It thinks it's a camera. O.o
[05:42] <K-Ryan> manchicken: I get it, you're a better coder than me. Now stop throwing ages into play =)
[05:42] <Jucato> C++ is good for beginner/intermediate/advanced... I guess it all depends on how you approach/study the language
[05:42] <manchicken> jarn: MTP is a derivative of PTP, the Camera protocol.
[05:42] <gecko_> is most ppl here using 6.10?
[05:42] <N6REJ> stdin: apparently its ok, because opentaps is building itself.
[05:42] <K-Ryan> gecko_ Probably people here from each version
[05:42] <manchicken> K-Ryan: No, I'm saying it's simple.  We should try to not be intimidated by programming languages.  Just jump in.
[05:42] <N6REJ> stdin: tyvm
[05:42] <manchicken> K-Ryan: If you put time into it, you can learn.
[05:42] <Dr_willis> jarn,  if its a 'usb' device thats mountable - it dosent matter. its actually a usb 'drive' :)  see if ya can see the files on the device.
[05:42] <Jucato> K-Ryan: manchicken is just showing us all that he's a wiz :)
[05:43] <stdin> N6REJ: no problem :)
[05:43] <K-Ryan> manchicken: there should be tutorials for building a simple program right?
[05:43] <jarn> Dr_willis: I can... which surprises me, it's an MTP device.
[05:43] <gecko_> K-Ryan: i checked out that site... do i need to get a theme-manager for hese or does kubuntu usually come with it? i thought it didnt..wasnt sure
[05:43] <jarn> Dr_willis: Is that normal?
[05:43] <esc_ape> gecko_ - using edgy, yes
[05:43] <stdin> gecko_: some are on 6.10, some on 6.06 and I'm on 7.04 :)
[05:43] <manchicken> K-Ryan: That's why I like the idea of people learning by working with existing programs.
[05:43] <K-Ryan> gecko_ you just save the theme and import it from system settings>apearance
[05:43] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Existing programs already have build processes.
[05:43] <Dr_willis> jarn,  every usb gizmo i have - i can access as a usb drive.. :)  id guess thats common for 90% of them out.
[05:43] <manchicken> K-Ryan: So you don't have to screw with learning to build.
[05:43] <gecko_> K-ryan... ok.. ill try that.
[05:43] <K-Ryan> build processes?
[05:44] <jarn> Dr_willis: But are any of your devices MTP?
[05:44] <gecko_> stdin: i was gonna try that out... how is it?
[05:44] <manchicken> K-Ryan: also, swimming in existing code promotes learning.
[05:44] <Dr_willis> jarn,  no idea there.. they are old thangs. :)
[05:44] <Dr_willis> jarn,  i dont even have many any more.. given them all away
[05:44] <K-Ryan> manchicken: but i need something to go through it with me showing what does what and what affects what
[05:44] <stdin> gecko_: nothing to radical has changed *yet* but it's looking good
[05:45] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Existing projects normally have a community support behind them.
[05:45] <Jucato> gecko_: just check the CustomizeKubuntu wiki that was mentioned earlier for almost all you theming needs
[05:45] <gecko_> stdin: glitches? bugs? or are they catching them pretty quickly...
[05:45] <gecko_> jucato: what wiki? lol
[05:45] <gecko_> *scrolls back to top*
[05:45] <jarn> manchicken: Does your Vision:M show up in Konqueror?
 gecko_: [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[05:46] <K-Ryan> manchicken: If I found a simple program could you run through it with me?
[05:46] <stdin> gecko_: of course there are some bugs, but that's why there are testers like me, to find them :)
[05:46] <manchicken> jarn: As a camera.  But when I try to access it it fails.
[05:46] <Jucato> gecko_: that one ^^^^^
[05:46] <K-Ryan> By the way, what would I use to write C++, program wise
[05:46] <jarn> manchicken: Mine shows up as a camera and I can access it. I am quite confused. I'm looking through all the MP3s I have on it.
[05:46] <gecko_> gracias amigos
[05:46] <Jucato> K-Ryan: Kate for simple things
[05:46] <manchicken> K-Ryan: My development schedule is sporadic, but if you wanted to help out with kubuntu there's a lot of support around it.
[05:46] <jarn> manchicken: My MicroPhoto.
[05:46] <Jucato> K-Ryan: KDevelop for big projects
[05:46] <manchicken> jarn: It's because MTP looks like PTP to HAL.
[05:47] <Jucato> (nano for even simpler things)
[05:47] <gecko_> oh... btw... anyone here good with hardware installation..like say a built in web camera to a laptop? lol or is that too advanced?
[05:47] <manchicken> Jucato: I use emacs ^_^
[05:47] <K-Ryan> Jucato: What determines project size?
[05:47] <Jucato> manchicken: bleh
[05:47] <Dr_willis> jarn,  its just using a camera icon  i am guessing. :)  they are all 'usb drives' :
[05:47] <Jucato> K-Ryan: one that involves more than 2 or 3 files? :P
[05:47] <K-Ryan> Mmm, I could build a 1 file code though right?
[05:47] <jarn> manchicken: So could I put files on it, do you think? If PTP is similar to MTP?
[05:47] <Jucato> K-Ryan: might wanna try to learn one of those arcane text editors everyone's raving about
[05:47] <dawn> hi] 
[05:47] <manchicken> jarn: Close, but not close enough.
[05:48] <K-Ryan> arcane text editors? o.O
[05:48] <dawn> my vid settings are not sticking
[05:48] <stdin> jarn: with my camera, accessing it with the camera:/ kio fails, but I can get to is when I mount it as a drive
[05:48] <dawn> keeps defaulting to 640x480
[05:48] <Jucato> K-Ryan: vi(m) and emacs
[05:48] <K-Ryan> Never heard of em
[05:48] <manchicken> Jucato: Emacs isn't an arcane text editor.
[05:48] <jarn> manchicken: Close enough to view the files but not close enough to put new ones on? :P
[05:48] <manchicken> Jucato: Emacs is one of the most actively developed GNU programs.
[05:48] <jarn> manchicken: Amarok finished. Which deb do I use?
[05:48] <manchicken> jarn: Not close enough to view.
[05:49] <Jucato> manchicken: by arcane, I meant "black magic" stuff :P
[05:49] <manchicken> jarn: All three.
[05:49] <jarn> manchicken: I'm viewing my MP3s on my MP3 player right now. In knoqueror.
[05:49] <manchicken> jarn: Interesting.
[05:49] <Jucato> K-Ryan: well, now you've heard about them. wars have been fought over those two :)
[05:49] <stdin> heh, my "MP3 player" plays oggs :D
[05:49] <K-Ryan> Jucato: Perhaps I'll stick with Kate...
[05:49] <stdin> I don't even have any mp3 on it
[05:49] <Jucato> wars have been fought, friendships broken, lives destroyed... in the name of vi and emacs :P
[05:49] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Kate is okay.
[05:50] <jarn> manchicken: What do you think would happen if I tried to play something off it? Or tried to put something on it? By dragging it into the folder?
[05:50] <dawn> where is the vid. setting config. file located?
[05:50] <manchicken> Jucato: That's just because people insist on using weak editors with no real development going into it anymore (e.g. VI)
[05:50] <gecko_> K-Ryan: you like Kate for playing MP3's?
[05:50] <Jucato> !xconfig | dawn
[05:50] <ubotwo> dawn: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". To configure only the driver and resolution, type: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh".
[05:50] <manchicken> vi*
[05:50] <gecko_> or browising?
[05:50] <gecko_> browsing*
[05:50] <manchicken> jarn: Try
[05:50] <Jucato> manchicken: not getting into that kind of debate here... :P
[05:50] <K-Ryan> gecko_ no, for making code =P
[05:50] <gecko_> lol i was gonna say..i was lost
[05:50] <gecko_> lol i read mp3's and then yea
[05:50] <gecko_> lol
[05:50] <manchicken> Jucato: The lack of development is more of a fact than a debate ^_^
[05:50] <K-Ryan> gecko_ no no, I coded an mp3 player into kate
[05:51] <gecko_> Oh..haha
[05:51] <K-Ryan> gecko_ just kidding =P
[05:51] <gecko_> im lost. haha...i may be in college... but im english major... i only do computer stuff through the air force
[05:51] <Jucato> manchicken: I just called them  arcane because they require a bit more knowledge to use than most text editors... nothing offensive or negative in that sense :)
[05:52] <manchicken> Jucato: I don't really care what editor people use ^_^
[05:52] <K-Ryan> gecko_ it was all sarcasm, i cant code(yet anyway), and i dont play mp3's through kate either =P
[05:52] <manchicken> Jucato: As long as they know how to run the basic programming tools.
[05:52] <manchicken> Jucato: Debuggers, DBMS', compilers, etc.
[05:52] <gecko_> lol yea.. i know that.. i didnt think u could..i was lost
[05:52] <Jucato> manchicken: I use Kate to code!!! er.. what basic programming tools?
[05:52] <Jucato> lol
[05:52] <Jucato> j/k
[05:52] <jarn> manchicken: "Writing to camera is not supported"
[05:52] <K-Ryan> gecko_ I'm sure there is a way
[05:52] <manchicken> jarn: Didn't think it'd work.
[05:53] <dawn> ebconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process    hmmm
[05:53] <gecko_> eh... K-Ryan... idk about that.
[05:53] <jarn> manchicken: I didn't think it would either since it wasn't supposed to, but I hoped when I could see all my music on it.
[05:53] <K-Ryan> gecko_ why not?
[05:53] <dawn> the first command worked not the second
[05:53] <K-Ryan> Add a tab in the program, set it to use certain codecs, make buttons, assign buttons actions
[05:53] <K-Ryan> That can be done can't it?
[05:53] <gecko_> i guess.. i never really thought about it...
[05:53] <K-Ryan> Then just make it so when the program opens an mp3 it goes to the mp3 section
[05:54] <gecko_> lol im too used to microsoft... gotta love O.S.
[05:54] <manchicken> jarn: Got it working?
[05:54] <jarn> manchicken: About to install the debs.
[05:54] <manchicken> okies
[05:54] <dawn> strange, another process has it the config file opne
[05:54] <dawn> but I do not see it
[05:55] <Octarion> HI!
[05:55] <manchicken> hiya
[05:55] <Octarion> I'm new with Kubuntu :)
[05:55] <dawn> welcome to kubuntu!
[05:55] <Octarion> Why can't i apt-get install kpackage ??? :S
[05:55] <stdin> dawn: is that a "/var/lib/dpkg/lock" error ?
[05:55] <Octarion> Thaks! :)
[05:55] <Octarion> let me see
[05:55] <K-Ryan> Yes, welcome to Kubuntu
[05:55] <stdin> Octarion: don't know unless you tell us more :)
[05:55] <K-Ryan> Questions?
[05:56] <jarn> manchicken: Does the order I install them in matter?
[05:56] <K-Ryan> Oh, didn't see that...
[05:56] <dawn> not sure K-ryan
[05:56] <Octarion> uhm...I'm doing apt-get update too... :S
[05:56] <manchicken> jarn: Nope.  I just install them all at the same time with an `dpkg -i amarok*.deb`
[05:56] <Jucato> Octarion: you can't have more than one apt-get process running at the same time
[05:56] <dawn> i am going to restart and try the commands again
[05:56] <K-Ryan> Ocatarion you are typing "sudo apt-get install <app name>" right?
[05:56] <dawn> weird that this system all of a sudden starts to act farked
[05:56] <jarn> manchicken: Ah.
[05:56] <Octarion> jucato: ok, thanks! :)
[05:56] <K-Ryan> manchicken think this is good enough?http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/program_structure.html
[05:57] <gecko_> * cant find a theme worth downloading :(*
[05:57] <Octarion> K-Ryan: sudo -i ;)
[05:57] <K-Ryan> It's what I'm looking through now anyway
[05:57] <jarn> manchicken: And once I install, can I just run amarok?
[05:57] <K-Ryan> Just making sure Octarion
[05:57] <manchicken> jarn: Yeah.  Kill any running instances.
[05:57] <manchicken> jarn: It should just work like normal.
[05:58] <stdin> I'm thinking of testing kde 3.5.6, but it may break feisty :P
[05:59] <stdin> could try on my edgy install tho
[05:59] <gecko_> lol i gave up looking for a darn theme
[05:59] <jarn> stdin: If you really want to be fancy, run Feisty and KDE 4.
[05:59] <manchicken> I'm still on edgy.  I gotta keep that nice stable development environment.
[05:59] <gecko_> jus cant figure out how i really wanna customize this
[05:59] <Jucato> stdin: isn't that one of the things to do in feisty? test stuff? you help development that way :)
[05:59] <gecko_> i thought they made a dock applet for kde.. i had it in fedora core 6...
[06:00] <jarn> manchicken: How do I get amarok to see it? I plugged it in and nothing happened.
[06:00] <Jucato> gecko_: kxdocker? ksmoothdock? it certainly isn't default KDE. must be a separate 3rd-party app
[06:00] <stdin> Jucato: yeah, but if I have a bug, it could be due to 3.5.6
[06:01] <stdin> "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356-test/ edgy main"  for anyone on edgy wanting to try kde 3.5.6 :)
[06:01] <Jucato> stdin: which will be the default KDE that feisty will ship with
[06:01] <manchicken> jarn: You gotta go into Configure Amarok, and then go to the Media Devices group.
[06:01] <manchicken> Then just add an MTP device.
[06:01] <Jucato> stdin: which means, 3.5.6 will be in the main repos (not kubuntu.org) soonish
[06:02] <manchicken> It should be in the drop-down when you click "Add Device"
[06:02] <stdin> Jucato: yeah, but if I install 3.5.6 and I have a bug, it could be due to that version and so the report would be useless to the devels atm
[06:03] <Jucato> stdin: actually, no. they would definitely need those, for Kubuntu at least
[06:03] <Octarion> Why the IRC goes well but my Web conection doesn't works? Anyone can help me?
[06:03] <stdin> Jucato: I'll install it on edgy, and test there, but not in feisty until it's in ubuntu main
[06:03] <Jucato> stdin: KDE-specific feisty/3.5.6 problems are useful in #kubuntu-devel
[06:03] <jarn> manchicken: Okay, I added 'Creative Nomad Jukebox Media Device'.
[06:03] <jarn> manchicken: How do I put music on it?
[06:04] <Jucato> stdin: Riddell was actually looking for 3.5.6 feisty testers yesterday, iirc
[06:04] <K-Ryan> manchicken: this tutorial im looking at, it has an example and in it, it says "a = a + 1"
[06:04] <K-Ryan> wouldn't that conflict?
[06:04] <manchicken> You say "transfer to device" on the music, and then go to the media device tab, say connect, and then transfer.
[06:04] <stdin> Jucato: tho, I suppose there's nothing stopping me from installing another kubuntu feisty and 3.5.6 on that :P
[06:05] <jarn> manchicken: "Could not connect to Nomad Device"
[06:05] <stdin> K-Ryan: no, you can do that with variables :)
[06:05] <dawn> thx for the help earlier
[06:05] <manchicken> jarn: You might want to just select "MTP Device" not nomad device.
[06:05] <Jucato> stdin: your choice. I just think it's just better to squash bugs before they get to main, while they're still in kubuntu.org. since Riddell has full power in the latter
[06:05] <K-Ryan> stdin: but that completely defies the rules of math!
[06:05] <dawn> I think some how the nvidia drives gat messed up
[06:05] <K-Ryan> a must = a
[06:05] <dawn> I am going to uninstall those
[06:05] <Octarion> K-Ryan: what are you taling about?
[06:05] <K-Ryan> C++ Octarion
[06:05] <manchicken> K-Ryan: That's an assignment operator.
[06:05] <Octarion> dawn: What happens whit nvidia drivers?
[06:05] <jarn> manchicken: I don't have that option.
[06:05] <manchicken> K-Ryan: == is comparrison.  = is assignment.
[06:05] <Octarion> K-Ryan: what's the question? ;)
[06:06] <dawn> and restart, then reconfigure X
[06:06] <dawn> I should be able to use 1024x768
[06:06] <stdin> Jucato: I'll do it in a vm first, so I can see if a bug is kde or ubuntu specific :)
[06:06] <manchicken> jarn: Ah.  Install libmtp-dev and then rebuild and reinstall the debs.
[06:06] <manchicken> jarn: Sorry, I forgot to mention that.
[06:06] <K-Ryan> manchicken: if you assign "a" to be "a + 1"....
[06:06] <dawn> octarion: I had this box setup with 1024x768
[06:06] <Octarion> dawn: Have you tried nvidia-* ?
[06:06] <jarn> manchicken: That was already installed when I made the debs.
[06:06] <K-Ryan> Let's say A is 2, so that makes it 2 + 1 = a
[06:06] <manchicken> jarn: libmtp-dev?  Not just libmtp2?
[06:06] <dawn> and somehow it got messed up
[06:07] <Jucato> stdin: if it's caused by a kde package/binary/file/lib, it's KDE/Kubuntu. simple as that :)
[06:07] <matthew0507> hi, what usually cause the "application X crashed and cause singal 6 (SIGABRT)? happening to me when i try to use Kiso and Knight
[06:07] <jarn> manchicken: Oh, nevermind.
[06:07] <dawn> nvidia-*
[06:07] <dawn> ??
[06:07] <jarn> manchicken: Thanks. :D
[06:07] <manchicken> K-Ryan: It's not an equation.  It's changing the value.
[06:07] <stdin> K-Ryan: you give "a" a value, then say add 1 to it and make that value = "a"
[06:07] <Octarion> dawn: let me see... i will look it up
[06:07] <K-Ryan> stdin: but wouldnt it just keep repeating?
[06:07] <jarn> manchicken: To rebuild the debs, do I do the same thing I did before? apt-get source amarok --compile?
[06:07] <manchicken> K-Ryan: No, it's just one line of executable code.
[06:07] <manchicken> jarn: Yup.
[06:08] <manchicken> jarn: It'll detect the new libraries and recompile MTP device support.
[06:08] <K-Ryan> ill deal with it, but i wont like it
[06:08] <dawn> heh
[06:08] <Octarion> dawn: the package is nvidia-settings
[06:08] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Programming is different than math class ^_^
[06:08] <jarn> manchicken: Ah. Thanks.
[06:08] <stdin> K-Ryan: no, because once you give "a" a value the code sees "a" as the valuse you give it, not the variable, confusing I know :P
[06:08] <dawn> hmmm nvia settings are already installed through automatix
[06:08] <K-Ryan> yes, quite confusing indeed
[06:09] <K-Ryan> Except I get it
[06:09] <K-Ryan> I just don't like it
[06:09] <dawn> maybe I should be using new drivers?
[06:09] <manchicken> K-Ryan: You're giving the computer instructions.  You're saying "a already has a value, now we want you to add 1 to it."
[06:09] <Jucato> not really confusing once you understand programming != algebra
[06:09] <K-Ryan> Yeah, but I still don't like it =)
[06:09] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Programming is nothing but you giving the computer orders.
[06:09] <Octarion> dawn: then you may haver nvidia-xconfig
[06:09] <dawn> it least k-ryan is being honest
[06:09] <K-Ryan> Jucato I'm just asking questions here and there
[06:09] <Jucato> it's a great place for tutorials :)
[06:09] <manchicken> Jucato: Stick in the mud ;)
[06:09] <K-Ryan> That was my first question actually...
[06:09] <mena> Hi friends
[06:10] <K-Ryan> Jucato: I'm reading a tutorial, just needed that a = a +1 thing cleared up
[06:10] <stdin> K-Ryan: you can do it in bash like "a=1" then "a="$(($a+1))" then "echo $a"
[06:10] <esc_ape> hi mena
[06:10] <Octarion> K-Ryan: you remember me some student I teached... try Coq languaje (MATH!!!) and you will get mad
[06:10] <mena> How Can i make my partitions appear by thier name that i had already give to it
[06:10] <mena> hi esc_ape
[06:10] <Jucato> K-Ryan: that particular line really flies in the face of algebra... but perfectly normal in any programming language
[06:10] <stdin> Jucato: heh, yeah, sorry :)
[06:10] <Octarion> mena: Where do you whant them?
[06:11] <manchicken> K-Ryan: What you're expecting = to mean, you use == for in many programming languages.
[06:11] <manchicken> Jucato: heh
[06:11] <mena> octarion. mean
[06:11] <K-Ryan> a +=1!?!?!
[06:11] <mena> octarion, the mount point
[06:11] <manchicken> Or ++a
[06:11] <K-Ryan> What the hell does that mean!
[06:11] <mena> octarion, or else
[06:11] <Jucato> K-Ryan: it means a = a + 1
[06:11] <Octarion> mena: Do you know what is /etc/fstab ? (I ask to explain :)
[06:11] <mena> octarion, yes
[06:11] <manchicken> Or polish notation: (setq (a (+ a 1)))
[06:11] <mena> octarion, yes, i know it
[06:12] <K-Ryan> a +=1    = syntax error, ok?
[06:12] <Octarion> mena: cat fstab has one line (maybe) per mount point (more or less :\)
[06:12] <Jucato> K-Ryan: only works in C and C++
[06:12] <Jucato> it's one of the particular (nice?) C shorthands
[06:12] <MobsterLobster> how stable is feisty conidered now?
[06:12] <mena> octarion, okay
[06:12] <Jucato> MobsterLobster: not very
[06:12] <Octarion> mena: you have to write information that will be use withn mount
[06:12] <manchicken> Jucato: Naw, that works in Perl, Ruby, Python, Java, JavaScript, and many other languages as well.
[06:12] <Jucato> still alpha bordering on beta
[06:12] <manchicken> Jucato: Oh, and C#
[06:12] <stdin> MobsterLobster: not at all, it's still in alphha
[06:13] <Jucato> manchicken: oh I sit corrected :)
[06:13] <Octarion> mena: you must create a directory for each mount point
[06:13] <manchicken> It's a rather common notation.
[06:13] <mena> octarion, yes
[06:13] <Octarion> mena: I have /windows/d and /windows/c
[06:13] <manchicken> I actually think that "a += 1" is easier to read than "a = a + 1"
[06:13] <Jucato> not in BASIC and Pascal :P
[06:13] <MobsterLobster> lol im using it and havent had any mjor problems
[06:13] <Octarion> mena: in the filesystem
[06:13] <manchicken> No.  In BASIC you say "let a = a + 1
[06:13] <jarn> BASIC doesn't support anthing short.
[06:13] <manchicken> "
[06:13] <mena> octarion, ok now what to do
[06:14] <Octarion> mena: ok? (I will continue :)
[06:14] <mena> octarion, ok
[06:14] <stdin> MobsterLobster: I'm using it too, but it's still alpha, it won't even be a beta until March 22nd :)
[06:14] <Octarion> mena: you edit /etc/fstab and
[06:14] <mena> octarion, i had done this /media/hda6 to /media/work
[06:14] <genii> Then again BASIC is an interpreted language whereas C et al are compiled
[06:15] <mena> octarion, the right is /work/hda6
[06:15] <MobsterLobster> ok but i thnk its fine to use as long as its not on ur main system stdin
[06:15] <Octarion> mena: can you put me the fstab line, please? :)
[06:15] <K-Ryan> Can someone just write up a small C++ script and comment what is what for me
[06:15] <posingaspopular> ROOM: how do you direct connect on GAIM?
[06:15] <mena> octarion, Okay no prob but i udo my changes okay
[06:15] <K-Ryan> I can't learn from this page by page tutorial...
[06:15] <mena> !pastbien
[06:15] <ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[06:16] <mena> pastebin
[06:16] <K-Ryan> posingaspopular you can't
[06:16] <mena> !pastebin
[06:16] <manchicken> K-Ryan: I told you, find a codebase to work in, and use a reference to learn.
[06:16] <ubotwo> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:16] <K-Ryan> manchicken not even something that just adds numbers?
[06:16] <stdin> MobsterLobster: I have edgy on another partition, just in case, but I haven't needed it yet :)
[06:16] <ForgeAus> erm I was wrong
[06:16] <Jucato> K-Ryan: or start with something not so big if you're new programming
[06:16] <ForgeAus> the size was misreported!
[06:16] <ForgeAus> lol
[06:16] <ForgeAus> now my 98 doesn't work nor does my XP
[06:16] <ForgeAus> lol
[06:16] <K-Ryan> I don't want some giant script to look at
[06:16] <Octarion> mena:ok ,ok... in the first column you have to put the device route: for example, /dev/hda
[06:17] <Rageagainstthis> what is the command to stop a program in kconsole.  In gnome it is ctrl+c what is it in kconsole?
[06:17] <genii> OK, my current headache: usb drive and usb key both want to be sda unless I put both in every time. Any way to specify usb port X mass storage device is always sdb  or similar?
[06:17] <manchicken> K-Ryan: I'll put something on there for you.
[06:17] <K-Ryan> Up on where?
[06:17] <Octarion> mena: see that devices (hard disks) are in /dev/...
[06:17] <Jucato> Rageagainstthis: same
[06:17] <mena> octarion, ok sorry if i undertsand wrong about the fstab line in any way i am with you
[06:17] <MobsterLobster> stdin  i have a testing linux computer and my main is XP coz im too attched to windows games
[06:17] <manchicken> K-Ryan: I'll give you a link..
[06:17] <K-Ryan> okey
[06:17] <stdin> K-Ryan: if you want a simple language to learn, learn bash :)
[06:17] <Octarion> mena: em? :S I don't understand you :P
[06:18] <stdin> MobsterLobster: that's what wine and vmware are for :P
[06:18] <K-Ryan> stdin I want to learn something that will be useful, just getting something to learn from, that's the tricky part
[06:18] <Jucato> stdin: bash? simple?
[06:18] <genii> K-Ryan stdin is right. shell scripting is very powerful and a good thing to learn to understand how other languages are structured
[06:18] <Jucato> K-Ryan: bash is useful... whether it's simple or not, I leave that to your judgment
[06:18] <K-Ryan> Too late, C++ it is =)
[06:18] <stdin> Jucato: yeah, all the commands are manualled and there are great guides too
[06:19] <dawn> ok....
[06:19] <MobsterLobster> wine yes but i cant be bothered setting it up and vmware on my laptop is too hard it barely copes running  guild wars
[06:19] <genii> Learn C first, then go to C+/C++
[06:19] <K-Ryan> I don't need konsole mocking me more
[06:19] <MobsterLobster> stdin ^^
[06:19] <Jucato> genii: not necessarily
[06:19] <mena> octarion, /dev/hda6 ......okay i will tell you ...i rename my partitions by the tune2fs throught the terminla then in the /media dirctory the appear as (hda5 hda6 etc
[06:19] <K-Ryan> i spelt kernel with an a on accident and it said "what kernal?"
[06:19] <Jucato> genii: it all depends on how C++ is introduced.
[06:20] <stdin> K-Ryan: shell scripting is a good base to build on. and you gain an understanding of other language structure too
[06:20] <Cuddles_in_KY> morning all.
[06:20] <genii> Jucato Well, I say to learn C first because you can always write a program in that if the compiler or platform doesn't do classes
[06:20] <Octarion> mena: Do /media/hda5 /media/hda6, etc... workd well? I mean. You see the archives below?
[06:20] <Cuddles_in_KY> question.
[06:20] <K-Ryan> stdin: C++ =)
[06:20] <manchicken> K-Ryan: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2233/
[06:20] <esc_ape> whats up Cuddles_in_KY
[06:21] <manchicken> K-Ryan: That little program will implement a fibonacci sequence.
[06:21] <Cuddles_in_KY> trying to configure networking on a laptop, but i need ndiswrapper to load the wireless card's drivers.
[06:21] <mena> octarion, yes
[06:21] <MobsterLobster> bye all im off to the beach
[06:21] <K-Ryan> fibo-what?
[06:21] <mena> octarion, but thier name is not as i would
[06:21] <denise> hi i need some help
[06:21] <Cuddles_in_KY> but when i type ndiswrapper -i, it says ''ndiswrapper: command not found"
[06:21] <Hhhhh> K-Ryan, sorry, I just joined. Are you considering languages for a specific project?
[06:21] <Cuddles_in_KY> any way to fix that/
[06:21] <Octarion> mena: And you whant to have something like /media/myphotos am I right?
[06:21] <manchicken> K-Ryan: 1 1 2 3 5 8...
[06:21] <mena> octarion, yes the partition name
[06:21] <esc_ape> Cuddles do you have ndiswrapper installed?
[06:21] <genii> K-Ryan fibbonaci seq:  1,1,2,3,5,8,13   and so onn. Each number is added to the previous one to get the next, and so on
[06:21] <K-Ryan> Hhhh trying to learn C++
[06:21] <dawn> i removed the nvidia drivers within automatix, then I restarted X. Went into konsole and sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh, then set the highest vid. setting to 1024x768, closed out and restarted X, logged in under kde session and it would just loop back to the login screeen
[06:22] <Octarion> mena: you have to edit /etc/fstab
[06:22] <K-Ryan> Okay I get it kind of
[06:22] <dawn> is there another nvidia driver package that works?
[06:22] <Cuddles_in_KY> esc_ape, apparently i have the ndiswrapper module installed, but not the utility. how can i install it without networking?
[06:22] <Octarion> mena: man information in 'man fstab' but I will esplain you :)
[06:22] <denise> my brother put in a new sound card it works but i cant get any sound out of my head set and when i plug my head set in my computer will not start up it frezzes
[06:22] <mena> octarion, okay as i tell you befor like /mdia/hda6 to /media/work
[06:22] <manchicken> ack, that won't work
[06:22] <K-Ryan> manchicken how should I save the code and how do i run it?
[06:22] <esc_ape> Cuddles : one sec
[06:23] <K-Ryan> And thanks for what you're doing, you could of easily said "forget it"
[06:23] <mena> octarion, okay i will see it
[06:23] <Octarion> mena: The fstab has several files, each one
[06:23] <K-Ryan> ....not that I would of accepted that =P
[06:23] <Octarion> mena: wait! :)
[06:23] <denise> can anyone help
[06:23] <Hhhhh> K-Ryan, about the idea of learning C before learning C++, I don't know. No offense, genii, but I don't think learning much C before digging in C++ helps much
[06:23] <Octarion> mena: each one maps a device (partition in this case) to a directory ok?
[06:24] <Hhhhh> of course there are a few things that are shared between the two languages, but they can be just as easily learned in C++ without
[06:24] <K-Ryan> Hhhhh, I'm trying to jump in
[06:24] <jarn> How do I find out the device area (I don
[06:24] <Hhhhh> K-Ryan, I can recommend a very good book
[06:24] <esc_ape> Cuddles : are you on dapper or edgy?
[06:24] <mena> octarion, ok with you
[06:24] <K-Ryan> Book as in buy?
[06:24] <Cuddles_in_KY> esc_ape, edgy
[06:24] <jarn> How do I find out the device area (I don't know the word for it, /dev/sda1, /dev/sde1, etc) from media:/ ?
[06:24] <Hhhhh> K-Ryan, what background do you have? Have you done programming in something else before?
[06:24] <K-Ryan> I'm not that far in yet.
[06:24] <Hhhhh> yea, book as in buy
[06:24] <Jucato> I'm lagging... :(
[06:24] <K-Ryan> Hhhh, absolutely
[06:24] <Hhhhh> if you want to
[06:24] <genii> Anyone know how to specify a certain usb port mass storage to always be a certain drive letter os something similar? I have 1 usb drive and 1 usb key, different partition types and fs, I always have to insert them in a particular order, it's a PITA
[06:24] <K-Ryan> ...nothing
[06:24] <Octarion> mena: ok, each file is made of several columns with information to make that mapping all right?
[06:24] <Cuddles_in_KY> esc_ape, but if i need to wipe and reinstall with dapper, that's fine
[06:24] <esc_ape> Cuddles : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[06:25] <K-Ryan> I'm not dedicated enough to get a book for this
[06:25] <jarn> Or from anywhere?
[06:25] <manchicken> K-Ryan: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2234/ Try that
[06:25] <Hhhhh> K-Ryan, sorry if you don't mind me asking, I joined in the middle of the conversation. Why do you wanna learn C++?
[06:25] <mena> octarion, ok
[06:25] <esc_ape> no need to reinstall - basically, download the correct .debs, burn to disc...and install on the other computer
[06:25] <K-Ryan> I want to pick up some kind of coding
[06:25] <Hhhhh> K-Ryan, what for?
[06:25] <genii> K-Ryan To learn about programming generally a good site to visit is the Dr.Dobbs
[06:25] <esc_ape> Cuddles - you'll need the utils package
[06:26] <K-Ryan> manchicken how should I save it so I can run it?
[06:26] <Hhhhh> K-Ryan, just asking, C++ is my language of choice, but I think it really depends on the kinds of things you want to do
[06:26] <Cuddles_in_KY> esc_ape, thanks, i'm reading now
[06:26] <denise> my sound card works but i cant get my head set to work can anyone help
[06:26] <K-Ryan> So I can observe changes and the like
[06:26] <Octarion> mena: the fist column is de device (the partition file), for example /dev/hda1 (its a *coincidence* your /media/hda5)
[06:26] <manchicken> K-Ryan: You could click the "download as text" link.
[06:26] <manchicken> K-Ryan: I haven't tested it yet ^_^
[06:26] <Octarion> mena: the second column is where do you whant to map that partition, for example /media/myphotos
[06:26] <Hhhhh> K-Ryan, any sorts of programs you wanna make, or some reason you want to learn coding for?
[06:26] <K-Ryan> Hhhhh it interests me
[06:27] <denise> and when i plug in my head set and start up my computer it frezzes just after i put in my pass word
[06:27] <K-Ryan> and I have too much time on my hands right now
[06:27] <Octarion> mena: the third column is the type of the partition: ext3, ntfs, vfat, ...
[06:27] <K-Ryan> manchicken I downloaded as text, what extension should i save it as and how do i run it?
[06:27] <dawn> ok I am going to look on adept for nvidia drivers
[06:27] <mena> octarion, ok
[06:27] <Hhhhh> K-Ryan, just be advised, C++ is not an easy language to pick up. It's very versatile, but there are areas of software development where other languages are prefered
[06:27] <Octarion> dawn: go to www.nvidia.com
[06:27] <K-Ryan> !nvidia | dawn
[06:27] <ubotwo> dawn: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:27] <jarn> manchicken: Okay, I closed Amarok, installed the new packages, and it still doesn't list MTP Device.
[06:28] <dawn> thanks guys
[06:28] <Octarion> mena: the fourth is a comma separated list of flags
[06:28] <K-Ryan> No problem dawn
[06:28] <mena> ok
[06:28] <genii> K-Ryan If you are downloading some C source code you want to save it with extension .c or for C+/C++ .cpp
[06:28] <dawn> nvidia-gls is installed btw
[06:28] <dawn> oppps
[06:28] <ForgeAus> argh 256mb swap!
[06:28] <dawn> nvidia-glx
[06:29] <ForgeAus> I'm not sure I made it that big!
[06:29] <K-Ryan> ah, nice and colorful now
[06:29] <K-Ryan> but what do I do to run it?
[06:29] <Hhhhh> K-Ryan, http://www.amazon.com/Object-Oriented-Programming-C%2B%2B-Robert-Lafore/dp/0672323087/sr=8-1/qid=1169270937/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-4406128-6183245?ie=UTF8&s=books
[06:29] <Octarion> mena: the flags depends on the type of partition. For my vfat I have the flags: defaults,utf8,umask=007,gid=46
[06:29] <Hhhhh> Object Oriented Programming in C++ 4th edition by Robert Lafore
[06:29] <mena> octarion, okay
[06:29] <Hhhhh> very nice, very intuitive for people without previous programming experience
[06:29] <genii> Hhhhh Yes that is a very good book
[06:29] <Octarion> mena: I forgot to say that the columns are separated by Tabs ok?
[06:30] <Hhhhh> :)
[06:30] <K-Ryan> Hhhhh I'll keep it in mind but I'm not dedicated enough yet.
[06:30] <Octarion> Hhhhh: I prefer "Thinking in C++" it's free to download in the author page
[06:30] <mena> octarion, yes i see it i opened the fstab
[06:30] <Hhhhh> oh, I didn't know it was free download
[06:30] <Hhhhh> nice
[06:30] <Jucato> Thinking in C++ is a bit... deep
[06:31] <K-Ryan> Ocatarion do you speak Spanish?
[06:31] <Hhhhh> I speak Spanish
[06:31] <K-Ryan> Or do you just like the upside down question mark?
[06:31] <Octarion> mena: next two colums put 0 and 1 (0 in the fifth an 1 in the sixth) ok? ;)
[06:31] <manchicken> K-Ryan: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2237/
[06:31] <genii> Probably his codepage
[06:31] <Octarion> K-Ryan, Hhhhh, yes, Spanish why?
[06:31] <K-Ryan> Because you keep using the upsidedown question mark
[06:31] <Octarion> ops
[06:32] <Hhhhh> hehe
[06:32] <Hhhhh> Octarion, where are you from?
[06:32] <Octarion> Hhhh: La Corua
[06:32] <Hhhhh> gallego
[06:32] <Octarion> Hhhhh: and you?
[06:32] <Hhhhh> I'm from Chile
[06:32] <Octarion> Hhhhh: Spanish-Japanesse
[06:32] <Hhhhh> I have family from MAdrid
[06:33] <matthew0507> anyone know how to use gisomount to mount iso images?
[06:33] <Octarion> Hhhhh: but my Mothes if from Castilla
[06:33] <Jucato> manchicken: kinda cryptic :P
[06:33] <dawn> ok i have a integrated vid card and lspci command doesnt tell me anything
[06:33] <K-Ryan> manchicken where do I enter the G++.....
[06:33] <mena> octarion, ok
[06:34] <Jucato> K-Ryan: go to the directory where the .cpp file is located
[06:34] <genii> matthew0507 Whats wrong with loop-mounting the images?
[06:34] <K-Ryan> desktop
[06:34] <K-Ryan> already there =)
[06:34] <Jucato> K-Ryan: make sure you have the "build-essential" package installed
[06:34] <Jucato> K-Ryan: I suggest putting it somewhere other than ~/Desktop :P
[06:34] <dawn> on the nvidia website
[06:34] <dawn> the have linux display drivers
[06:34] <manchicken> K-Ryan: On the commandline.
[06:34] <K-Ryan> Perhaps /Desktop/Code
[06:35] <K-Ryan> * /Desktop/Code/
[06:35] <dawn> but I do not want to d/l just any ol' one
[06:35] <Jucato> K-Ryan: you really want to see folders on your desktop?
[06:35] <stdin> stdin@host:~/test$ ./fib
[06:35] <stdin> 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 144 233
[06:35] <Octarion> mena: umount /media/hda5
[06:35] <stdin> hmm :P
[06:35] <K-Ryan> Jucato it's just a quick thing
[06:35] <genii> stdin Heh :) Old Fibbonaci again
[06:35] <Jucato> manchicken: you could have made the fib_step function a bit more... um... newbie-friendly :)
[06:35] <manchicken> jarn: Getting amarok to work?
[06:36] <manchicken> Jucato: It's not terribly unfriendly.
[06:36] <manchicken> It's kinda quick&dirty
[06:36] <Jucato> manchicken: formatting and an else :)
[06:36] <esc_ape> Jucato - I saw your kde-core install blog. thanks for posting that.
[06:36] <Jucato> esc_ape: no problem. hope it helped (a bit)
[06:36] <mena> octarion,wait but you will un mount the partituon and its alreadu un mounted
[06:36] <K-Ryan> Jucato if you would like to improve it go right ahead =D
[06:36] <manchicken> Else isn't necessary if the if condition results in a return.
[06:36] <manchicken> ^_^
[06:36] <Jucato> K-Ryan: I'd rather not. manchicken's copyright :P
[06:36] <esc_ape> jucato : yes helped - now running a sweet kde install
[06:37] <K-Ryan> Riiiiiiiiight
[06:37] <mena> octarion,bec i udo the changes that i have made and i didnt restart yet
[06:37] <mena> undo*
[06:37] <Octarion> mena:and umount /media/hda6 ... the directories...
[06:37] <manchicken> Jucato: Public domain.  Feel free ^_^
[06:37] <Jucato> manchicken: it's not so evident. specially for newbie-level... like me
[06:37] <genii> ping matthew0507
[06:37] <genii> bleh
[06:37] <Octarion> mena: what?
[06:37] <Jucato> manchicken: at least the indenting of return 1;
[06:37] <Jucato> anyhow... your student
[06:37] <manchicken> Jucato: I could have commented it ^_^
[06:38] <manchicken> Jucato: The return 1 is to keep it from staying on zero ^_^
[06:38] <K-Ryan> compiled, how do i run it?
[06:38] <mena> octarion,i made some changes like that /media/hda6 to /media/works but it didnt mounted then i undo them by myself....and i didnt restart yet
[06:38] <manchicken> K-Ryan: ./fib
[06:38] <Jucato> manchicken: you could have also put it on a separate line and/or removed the curly braces
[06:38] <manchicken> Jucato: Yeah.
[06:38] <Jucato> but like I said, your student :)
[06:38] <K-Ryan> while in the directory correct?
[06:38] <Jucato> K-Ryan: yep
[06:39] <jarn> manchicken: No.
[06:39] <K-Ryan> It went to 233?
[06:39] <K-Ryan> But I have to go now
[06:39] <Jucato>  ./fib <--- run the file "fib" which is in the current directory
[06:39] <jarn> manchicken: It still doesn't work. I closed amarok and installed the new debs, but it still doesn't show MTP Device.
[06:39] <K-Ryan> I'll tinker more tomorrow
[06:39] <genii> K-Ryan the period  .  is for "here" directory
[06:39] <K-Ryan> G'night
[06:39] <dawn> would it be safe to reinstall my video drivers in adept?
[06:39] <manchicken> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2239/
[06:39] <manchicken> Happy? ;)
[06:40] <Jucato> too late :P
[06:40] <genii> LOL
[06:40] <manchicken> What a dork ;)
[06:40] <Jucato> lol
[06:40] <surgy> hello
[06:40] <Jucato> @lart manchicken
[06:40] <Jucato> oops.. doesn't work here...
[06:40] <manchicken> !botsnack
[06:41] <ubotwo> Yum!
[06:41] <surgy> i have an xbox controller that i converted to usb, there is a driver for it for windows called xbcd is there another usb xbox controller driver for kubuntu
[06:41] <Octarion> mena: Dont worry much ;)
[06:41] <Octarion> mena: you don't need to restart
[06:41] <Octarion> mena:One you have the fstab configured and the directories created,
[06:41] <Octarion> mena: you only have to do 'mount /media/myphotos'
[06:41] <Octarion> mena:and that's all :)
[06:41] <Octarion> surgy, hi
[06:41] <genii> I think the bot is a cannibal...I mean, what happened to ubotu?
[06:41] <manchicken> surgy: Dunno.  You could try.
[06:41] <surgy> octarion howdy
[06:41] <mena> octarion, ok
[06:41] <surgy> machicken been googling
[06:42] <genii> !ping
[06:42] <ubotwo> pong
[06:42] <genii> hah they changed it
[06:42] <Octarion> surgy: I don't know... I am fighting with my UR54g usb card...
[06:43] <Octarion> mena : Does I works?
[06:43] <Jucato> genii: ubotu's been acting up.. so the substitute is here
[06:43] <mena> octarion, mount point /media/work does not exist
[06:43] <genii> Jucato OK :) Just wondering
[06:44] <mena> octarion, i renamed it and save the fstab as sudo and then do the command
[06:44] <matthew0507> !sh
[06:44] <ubotwo> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[06:45] <esc_ape> does anyone know how to install this: http://kde-apps.org/content/download.php?content=48025&id=1
[06:45] <genii> !loop
[06:45] <ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[06:45] <mena> octarion, i checked the uuid and they are the same
[06:45] <genii> hmm
[06:46] <Octarion> Oh, God... 164Mb of upgrade and my connectin is CACAAAAAAAAA!!! ;)
[06:46] <Octarion> mena: ok, sudo mount /media/myphotos  Does it works?
[06:46] <Octarion> mena: give me a minute to go to man...
[06:47] <mena> octarion, ok and i done that
[06:47] <mena> octarion, same
[06:47] <esc_ape> nevermind
[06:47] <surgy> umm
[06:47] <mena> octarion, same  (sudo mount /media/work)
[06:48] <surgy> no ideas on an xbox controller huh?
[06:48] <matthew0507> hi , quick question how do i run file with a .sh extension?
[06:48] <manchicken> matthew0507: sh something.sh
[06:49] <genii> eg: sh ./thefile.sh     or    bash /full/path/thefile.sh
[06:49] <esc_ape> this amarokgaim script works great
[06:49] <Octarion> mena: yes
[06:49] <genii> Some ppl prefer bash but sh should work usually
[06:50] <mena> octarion, nothing i was repatting it nothing else
[06:50] <Octarion> mena: you can delete the uuid information.... I mean, I don't know how to get it, so delete it ;)
[06:51] <Octarion> mena: em? :S
[06:51] <mena> octarion, from the fstab
[06:51] <mena> octarion, it will not ,ount any thing if i do as i think bec i had problems with it befor
[06:51] <mena> mount*
[06:52] <Octarion> send me your fstab to octarion@hotmail.com
[06:53] <Pupeno> Hello.
[06:53] <Pupeno> It seems that ssh when used to transfer files (scp, sftp, rsync over ssh) interprets the names of the files as lanit-1 (or 15) destroying my UTF-8 characters. Is there anything I can do to get ssh to handle the UTF-8 characters properly ?
[06:53] <mena> octarion, In any way the big problem here is that the names of partitions doesnt appear the partition and every thing is right but its name not as i wont .....i  am talking when i open the storage media in kubuntu
[06:54] <Octarion> mena, I think that I know what are you whanting to say... If I could see your fstab I could explain well
[06:54] <mena> octarion, okay wait a seconed i wil give is in pastbin
[06:55] <mena> octarion, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2241/
[06:55] <esc_ape> how do you do paste bin by the way?
[06:56] <genii> !pastebin | esc_ape
[06:56] <ubotwo> esc_ape: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:56] <stdin> esc_ape: go to the site, enter text, post it, give the URL
[06:56] <Jucato> esc_ape: just paste the text, select what type of text it is, then click paste. then give the URL out
[06:56] <esc_ape> thanks - good to know
[06:57] <Jucato> stdin said it more poetically
[06:57] <stdin> heh, I have a tendency to do that :P
[06:57] <xiO__> anyone know if the devs are working on a way to fix the acpi issue that prevents sound from working?
[06:58] <genii> stdin ;)
[06:58] <Jucato> xiO__: if there's a bug report about it, most likely yes. but if they don't know about it, they won't be able to fix it
[07:00] <xiO__> I feel confident there's a bug report but I'm unsure of whether or not it's a high priority
[07:00] <Jucato> xiO__: you can check the bug report if it has been marked as such
[07:00] <genii> Is there a way to specify which external storage gets what drive letter? eg: This drive is always sdb and so on
[07:00] <Pekke> how can i start application called amaya?
[07:00] <xiO__> I've been soundless 2+ years and I'd love to hear things again :P
[07:00] <Jucato> xiO__: you can also add your comment so that it would be bumped
[07:00] <Jucato> genii: drive letter?
[07:01] <esc_ape> Pekke : maybe alt-f2 and type amaya
[07:01] <xiO__> ok, thanks Jucato
[07:01] <genii> Jucato Well I have 2 usb storage. One is ext3 one is vfat. I hate having to always put them in a certain plugin order (if I even have both handy atm)
[07:02] <genii> Jucato I want to specify that vfat drive is always sdb for instance
[07:02] <Jucato> aaah!  I was thinking of drive letters as in D:\ E:\ etc :P
[07:02] <Octarion> mena: done
[07:02] <mena> octarion, so
[07:02] <Pekke> esc_ape, noup
[07:03] <Octarion> mena: read it :)
[07:03] <mena> o
[07:03] <mena> k
[07:03] <Pekke> adept shows that i have downloaded it and i have reboot, but i can't start it from anywhere. it's not in any of the menus
[07:04] <dawn> ok making progress here
[07:04] <dawn> i reinstalled the nvidia driver via automatix
[07:04] <dawn> how does one make changes via the gui
[07:04] <dawn> and expect them to stick
[07:05] <genii> Pekke Try to run it from a konsole then
[07:05] <esc_ape> Pekke what is the output of locate amaya
[07:05] <esc_ape> I mean..
[07:05] <esc_ape> the output of whereis amaya
[07:06] <gecko_> hey all
[07:06] <newlinuxguy> is anyone awake?
[07:06] <gecko_> hey....is there a dock for kubuntu
[07:06] <newlinuxguy> I just made the switch away from Windows!
[07:06] <gecko_> sweet
[07:06] <newlinuxguy> yay :)
[07:06] <gecko_> i kinda did too
[07:06] <esc_ape> kooldock
[07:06] <manchicken> ^_^
[07:06] <gecko_> ive used kubuntu/ubuntu on and off over the years..
[07:07] <gecko_> i cant find kooldock!Q
[07:07] <Pekke> usr/lib/amaya/ has the most of the stuff.
[07:07] <gecko_> manchicken lol
[07:07] <newlinuxguy> I'm doing my server now, just a quick suggestion if you guys will
[07:07] <newlinuxguy> how do you suggest i partition
[07:07] <newlinuxguy> I have an 80 gig hard drive
[07:07] <esc_ape> Pekke is anything listed in /usr/bin/ ?
[07:07] <gecko_> what u mean?
[07:07] <newlinuxguy> 2 gig for swap
[07:07] <esc_ape> like /usr/bin/amaya ?
[07:07] <newlinuxguy> should home be on a different one?
[07:07] <gecko_> ah..i see what u mean
[07:07] <genii> newlinuxguy putting /home separate is a good idea, yes
[07:08] <newlinuxguy> so make 3 partitions
[07:08] <newlinuxguy> 1 2 gig (512 megs of ram) for swap
[07:08] <Pekke> only /usr/bin/amaya
[07:08] <Pekke> is that the file to start?
[07:08] <newlinuxguy> what's the minimum I need for the root?
[07:08] <genii> Pekke Yes
[07:08] <gecko_> newlinuxguy: make 3 partitions    1 swap 1 root  1 home   and are u pretty confident in ur linux skills? or are u going to have any windows partition?
[07:08] <Pekke> just by opening it?
[07:08] <esc_ape> :
[07:08] <ForgeAus> to mess with grub do you have to reboot or can you do it from within kubuntu
[07:08] <ForgeAus> ?
[07:08] <newlinuxguy> I'm fairly confident
[07:09] <genii> newlinuxguy A basic root install is about 2.6 Gb so 4 or so is usually good
[07:09] <esc_ape> Pekke - run amaya in the terminal
[07:09] <gecko_> newlinuxguy: ok good :)
[07:09] <newlinuxguy> I've been around since the days of dos
[07:09] <stdin> newlinuxguy: we normally say minimum is 10GB for root
[07:09] <newlinuxguy> okay
[07:09] <newlinuxguy> great
[07:09] <gecko_> my root is 60 lol
[07:09] <newlinuxguy> so 10 for root, 2 for swap, and the rest for /home
[07:09] <newlinuxguy> I can't wait!  Finally free from the shackles of windows!
[07:09] <Pekke> when i write amaya in terminal it says: gdk error
[07:10] <genii> I like multiples of 4 like 4,8,12,16 etc but thats just personal prefs :)
[07:10] <stdin> newlinuxguy: 2GB for swap may be a but much, unless you want to use the resume function
[07:10] <esc_ape> gdk or gtk?
[07:10] <newlinuxguy> unfortunately I must have an imperfect cd because it has various errors
[07:10] <Pekke> gdk
[07:10] <newlinuxguy> I presume resume function is basically the equivalent of hibernate
[07:10] <gecko_> so whoever recommend kooldock... where can i find this?
[07:11] <gecko_> i just installed kubuntu....
[07:11] <Pekke> :Gdk-ERROR **: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
[07:11] <stdin> newlinuxguy: yeah, it saves everything in the RAM to the swap partition, so you only need swap to be about the size of the RAM you have
[07:12] <genii> newlinuxguy Yeah same idea
[07:12] <newlinuxguy> great
[07:12] <esc_ape> gecko_ kooldock is in the repos
[07:12] <newlinuxguy> I don't know why I haven't done this sooner
[07:12] <newlinuxguy> ubuntu really doesn't like my dell
[07:12] <newlinuxguy> for some reason
[07:12] <gecko_> hmm... ok... so what program do i open.. lol im still gettin used to linux
[07:12] <stdin> newlinuxguy: if you don't want to use that, then a 1GB swap is plenty
[07:12] <newlinuxguy> I'm sure I'll be able to work it out
[07:13] <dawn> newlinuxguy: whic model dell do you have?
[07:13] <newlinuxguy> e1705
[07:13] <dawn> I have a Dimension C521
[07:13] <genii> newlinuxguy I had a pain installing to a bunch of old Dell Optiplex
[07:13] <esc_ape> gecko_ open up konsole
[07:13] <dawn> ahh
[07:13] <esc_ape> and type sudo apt-get install kooldock
[07:13] <newlinuxguy> the x desktop didnt like it
[07:13] <newlinuxguy> had a fatal error
[07:13] <dawn> mine took fine
[07:13] <newlinuxguy> I'm sure if I dig ask around
[07:13] <dawn> i am just messing with the vid settings
[07:13] <newlinuxguy> then I'll be able to get it to work
[07:14] <genii> newlinuxguy If you have the intel 810 video it doesn't like the vesa driver much
[07:14] <newlinuxguy> do you have integrated graphics dawn?
[07:14] <dawn> yes
[07:14] <newlinuxguy> yeah, that's what seems to be the problem with mine
[07:14] <gecko_> gave me this : Building dependency tree
[07:14] <gecko_> Reading state information... Done
[07:14] <gecko_> E: Couldn't find package kooldock
[07:14] <gecko_> gecko@gecko-laptop:~$
[07:14] <dawn> i am using 1.0-8776 driver
[07:14] <dawn> oct 2006 iteration
[07:15] <dawn> i have mine configured to vesa
[07:15] <newlinuxguy> so you built your own cd
[07:15] <dawn> it defaukted to it
[07:15] <dawn> no
[07:15] <newlinuxguy> I just d/l the iso and burned
[07:15] <genii> damn that indicates to me you have GD8776 video
[07:15] <newlinuxguy> didn't do anything
[07:15] <dawn> same
[07:15] <esc_ape> gecko_ you need to enable all the repos...here, one sec
[07:15] <gecko_> lol i jus opened terminal as u said esc :P
[07:15] <esc_ape> gecko_ are you running dapper or edgy?
[07:16] <newlinuxguy> hmm, i wonder why it wouldnt even get into the ubuntu slider on my laptop
[07:16] <newlinuxguy> I'll work with that after I get my server up and running
[07:16] <esc_ape> gecko_ see this link: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/sources
[07:16] <newlinuxguy> I canalready see that support is GREAT
[07:16] <surgy> how do i calibrate a gamepad
[07:16] <esc_ape> follow those instructions and then do sudo apt-get install kooldock
[07:17] <gecko_> thanks esc_
[07:17] <genii> newlinuxguy If you are getting video issues, I'd suggest using the vga mode to get it going then switch to using the i810 driver afterwards. The vesa driver on those Dells doesn't like the onboard
[07:17] <dawn> I have a GEforce 6150 LE
[07:17] <echoi> Is there any way to install Helvetica on Kubuntu?
[07:17] <dawn> how do you do that genii
[07:17] <devilsadvocate> echoi, the font?
[07:17] <echoi> yes
[07:18] <dawn> should I download and install the updated driver from nvidia
[07:18] <dawn> ?
[07:18] <devilsadvocate> echoi, is it not in msttcorefonts?
[07:18] <echoi> i don't think so
[07:18] <newlinuxguy> okie doke dawn
[07:18] <genii> dawn Well, it looks like your video is different. You would need to use the nvidia method
[07:18] <genii> !nvidia
[07:18] <ubotwo> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:18] <echoi> actually it is not
[07:18] <newlinuxguy> I'll probably wait until my free vista cd comes in
[07:18] <dawn> heh
[07:18] <newlinuxguy> before i install on laptop
[07:18] <Pekke> so what does the gdk error mean?
[07:18] <echoi> I 've installed msttcorefonts but it's not there
[07:18] <Octarion> dawn, maybe you will have to put the linux in
[07:18] <dawn> ok... so that tells me that I could install the new drivers
[07:19] <dawn> X will not start beyond 800x600
[07:19] <newlinuxguy> thanks everyone
[07:19] <Octarion> dawn:  in runlevel 1 (but instalation says 3)
[07:19] <dawn> hmmmm
[07:19] <Octarion> dawn: so you will have to change the command line when bootin in grub
[07:20] <genii> Maybe you have an older monitor that only does svga?
[07:20] <dawn> yes this is an older model
[07:20] <Octarion> dawn: and put 'single' as flag... I think :P
[07:20] <dawn> I think it will be best to wait till I get my new 20"
[07:20] <Octarion> dawn: Then take the legacy
[07:20] <dawn> you think...lol
[07:20] <dawn> legacy driver?
[07:20] <Octarion> dawn: maybe xD
[07:20] <dawn> oh, before 1.0-877?
[07:21] <Octarion> dawn: my 440 GO needs the legacy driver :P
[07:21] <gecko_> i think i just screwed up my source list lol
[07:21] <Octarion> dawn: but I use what comes with Kubuntu DVD =)
[07:21] <echoi> anyone know about installing helvetica font?
[07:21] <dawn> same.....
[07:21] <Octarion> dawn: so I hadn't to download it n_n
[07:22] <dawn> yes, it all worked fine on mine
[07:22] <dawn> but 800x600 resolution sucks
[07:22] <genii> gecko_ There is a sample sources.list usually at /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
[07:22] <dawn> i did get 1024x768 to load once before
[07:22] <matthew0507> !mount
[07:22] <ubotwo> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[07:22] <gecko_> lol i know.. but i uh.. jus copied and pasted like it said... and still nothing
[07:22] <gecko_> i saved..and everything :S
[07:23] <dawn> edit as root?
[07:23] <gecko_> i wonder if its cuz i have ubuntu with kde interface? it kinda jus thinks i have uhm... kubuntu?
[07:23] <gecko_> lol
[07:23] <dawn> lol
[07:23] <genii> gecko_ You may need to edit as root and remove comment lines on the repos
[07:23] <dawn> that sounds like me
[07:23] <gecko_> yea..thats what i gotta do...
[07:23] <gecko_> i got it now i think? lol
[07:24] <dawn> i have xubuntu/kubuntu/ubuntu/edubuntu/ubuntulite installed on one laptop
[07:24] <dawn> for show
[07:24] <dawn> :P
[07:24] <newlinuxguy> hehe sorry for bothering you guys agian
[07:24] <genii> xubuntu is nice
[07:24] <newlinuxguy> but /usr is where /home will go right?
[07:24] <dawn> i know, I like it for very old machines
[07:24] <gecko_> i was root..still didnt work
[07:24] <dawn> oh no gecko
[07:24] <gecko_> i think i jus f'd it up lol but i try one last thing
[07:25] <esc_ape> gecko_ did you update?
[07:25] <stdin> newlinuxguy: no :P
[07:25] <gecko_> did i update?
[07:25] <newlinuxguy> there isn't an option for /home in the install
[07:25] <esc_ape> sudo apt-get update
[07:25] <gecko_> u mean when i first installed?
[07:25] <esc_ape> no
[07:25] <gecko_> yea.. i think so.
[07:25] <newlinuxguy> yeah there is
[07:25] <gecko_> i didnt do it that way
[07:25] <newlinuxguy> I'm just tired
[07:25] <stdin> newlinuxguy: you can choose manual partitioning
[07:25] <newlinuxguy> heheh
[07:25] <genii> newlinuxguy No, they are separate areas. Home directories go into subdirs of /home   user-installed binaries and so on get put in the /user hierarchy
[07:25] <esc_ape> after you updated your sources.list
[07:25] <esc_ape> if you do it that way, I guarantee you can install it
[07:25] <newlinuxguy> don't mind me
[07:25] <newlinuxguy> im just needing some coffee
[07:26] <gecko_> lol yea... um its updating it right now.. thats esc
[07:26] <newlinuxguy> I totally overlooked /home
[07:26] <gecko_> thanks*
[07:26] <dawn> I have some pepsi
[07:26] <genii> the /usr hierarchy rather :)
[07:26] <dawn> or hot earl gry
[07:26] <dawn> *grey
[07:26] <newlinuxguy> pepsi is so much better than coke imho
[07:26] <dawn> tea is better
[07:26] <dawn> :P
[07:26] <esc_ape> RC > *
[07:26] <newlinuxguy> you have good taste dawn
[07:26] <gecko_> lol beer is best
[07:26] <genii> It's all carbonated sugar water LOL
[07:26] <dawn> lol..
[07:26] <newlinuxguy> beer bah
[07:26] <gecko_> ok.. i lied..its not best
[07:26] <newlinuxguy> that's a quick way to sleep for me
[07:26] <esc_ape> gecko_ yup. beer > **
[07:26] <dawn> hmmmm  carbonated earl grey, thats an idea
[07:26] <gecko_> lol viva tequila
[07:26] <dawn> lol
[07:26] <gecko_> jk...
[07:27] <dawn> if I gorge on blueberry eggo waffles
[07:27] <gecko_> geez..its still updating lol
[07:27] <newlinuxguy> only if you put sugar, corn syrup, and high fructose corn syrup in the tea
[07:27] <dawn> I fall right to sleep
[07:27] <gecko_> i wish i knew more linux...
[07:27] <newlinuxguy> will it be acceptible in america
[07:27] <gecko_> lol
[07:27] <gecko_> command line
[07:27] <gecko_> btw... this is the ONLY linux distro that works with my wifi out of the box lol
[07:27] <esc_ape> gecko_ any luck yet?
[07:27] <gecko_> its updating still
[07:27] <dawn> i have crashed in front of my computer soo many damn times
[07:28] <dawn> gecko...updating may take 30 mins - 2 hours
[07:28] <Octarion> dawn: I had Suse, WindowXP and Win98 ;)
[07:28] <genii> gecko_ If the default repos in the sample are not local to your area it may take awhile
[07:28] <gecko_> esc_ape_ are you on here regularly?
[07:28] <newlinuxguy> last time it locked on 24%
[07:28] <dawn> i had RH up to ver. 9
[07:28] <newlinuxguy> let's see if we get further
[07:28] <newlinuxguy> woo hoo
[07:28] <esc_ape> dawn - I think he's just updating apt
[07:28] <dawn> oh ok
[07:28] <esc_ape> should only take 10 seconds
[07:28] <dawn> true
[07:28] <dawn> hmmm yea why is it taking so long
[07:28] <gecko_> its updating universal packages?
[07:28] <dawn> are you dialup?
[07:29] <esc_ape> first time updating, I guess
[07:29] <gecko_> no.. but im wireless right now and its dling slow
[07:29] <dawn> ahhhh
[07:29] <gecko_> 16 KB :(
[07:29] <esc_ape> ouch
[07:29] <dawn> your neighbor is downloading as well
[07:29] <dawn> :P
[07:29] <genii> gecko_ More likely is that you left the standard names eg: archive.ubuntu.com   which are in New Zealand and not that fast to access from most other places
[07:29] <gecko_> lol my dad is an internet security guy... has his own buiz... its locked down wifi
[07:29] <gecko_> ah
[07:29] <gecko_> i can see lol
[07:30] <gecko_> yea.. it is archive.ubuntu
[07:30] <dawn> i dont trust any wifi
[07:30] <gecko_> oh..its done lol
[07:30] <gecko_> haha
[07:30] <gecko_> oops
[07:30] <dawn> i turn ours off at work when I leave
[07:30] <gecko_> Fetched 6253kB in 3m42s (28.1kB/s)
[07:30] <gecko_> Reading package lists... Done
[07:30] <gecko_> gecko@gecko-laptop:~$
[07:30] <gecko_> score...now its installing
[07:31] <dawn> bingo
[07:31] <gecko_> ok.. so now where is it?
[07:31] <gecko_> lol
[07:31] <esc_ape> now, do sudo apt-get install kooldock
[07:31] <gecko_> did..its done
[07:31] <Octarion> HELP! :How do i configure grub? I have lost my WindowsXP configuration to boot it!! :S
[07:31] <gecko_> but where is it? in adept?
[07:31] <genii> gecko_ If I were you I would instead change the repo names to something close by, then do the update again and so on. Trying to reinstall X for instance from the main archive repo will make you want to tear your hair out
[07:32] <Cuddles_in_KY> esc_ape, i'm abot 3/4 through the link you gave me on using ndiswrapper, and i'm stuck.
[07:32] <dawn> genii: I am damn near bald
[07:32] <gecko_> genii_ compeltely lost me haha... im not THAT experienced with linux yet
[07:32] <genii> dawn Heh :) But you get the idea
[07:32] <gecko_> im just getting a handle on it..
[07:32] <dawn> I had a gf named Cuddles...long ago
[07:32] <dawn> *sigh*
[07:32] <gecko_> lol date a dog name cuddles? :P jk
[07:33] <dawn> hey...Diane was hot
[07:33] <esc_ape> Cuddles_in_KY : what's the problem?
[07:33] <genii> gecko_ OK... go into the file /etc/sources.list and change everything reading archive.ubuntu.com   for instance to read something more local like  us.ubuntu.com   or uk.ubuntu.com
[07:33] <Cuddles_in_KY> esc_ape, the part i'm stuck at is extracting the windows drivers. downloaded the suggested file, but it's an .exe, so i can't extract it. i have the cd that came with the card, but there's no .inf file. so now what?
[07:33] <genii> Sorry /etc/apt/sources.list rather
[07:34] <manchicken> Cuddles_in_KY: linuxant.com has drivers :)
[07:34] <gecko_> lol its not a big deal except when im here at home in indiana.. i go to school in Dayton Ohio and i download at roughly 1.5 mb/s
[07:34] <genii> gecko_ You need to edit the file as root btw
[07:34] <gecko_> i know
[07:34] <gecko_> i do everything editting in root
[07:34] <Cuddles_in_KY> manchicken, for a linksys wpc300n wireless card?
[07:35] <Cuddles_in_KY> esc_ape, so how do i proceed?
[07:35] <genii> manchicken The linuxant drivers are bandwidth limited to 14.4
[07:36] <gecko_> ok.. i installed it through uh... terminal... and now i cant find kooldock
[07:37] <ForgeAus> hmmm back later...
[07:37] <esc_ape> Cuddles_in_KY: where did you dl it from?
[07:37] <esc_ape> gecko_ is it in the menu?
[07:38] <gecko_> under what esc_ape?
[07:38] <Cuddles_in_KY> esc_ape, as it says in the list on ndiswrapper's site,     * Driver: BCM40100/bcmwl5 (http://www.station-drivers.com/telechargement/broadcom/BCM40100.exe)
[07:38] <gecko_> cuz i didnt see it :S
[07:39] <Cuddles_in_KY> esc_ape, on the original cd that came with the card, i have bcmwl5.sys, but no matching .inf
[07:40] <Cuddles_in_KY> esc_ape, the only .inf there is is called lsbcmnds.inf
[07:41] <genii> Cuddles_in_KY In the same dir you find bcmwl5.sys there should be an inf file, or the dir just above.
[07:41] <Octarion> Bye!
[07:41] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, as i just said, that's the only .inf file. lsbcmnds.inf
[07:42] <genii> Cuddles_in_KY If you open that file in a text editor does it look like it is for the wireless card?
[07:43] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, it's a 58k file, and according to kate, it's a binary file
[07:43] <genii> Cuddles_in_KY I mean the lsbcmnds.inf not the exe you downloaded
[07:44] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, that's what i'm talking about.
[07:44] <Cuddles_in_KY> the .exe is 75 meg
[07:44] <gecko_> is there a thing i can type in terminal to uh... run a program?
[07:44] <Cuddles_in_KY> the lsbcmnds.inf is a binary file on the original cd
[07:45] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, yes, i know. i freaked too
[07:45] <genii> If it is actually a real windoze inf file it is plain text
[07:45] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, yes, i know. i've worked a fair bit in windows.
[07:46] <esc_ape> gecko_ just type kooldock in the terminal
[07:46] <gecko_> oh ok... gosh i feel so stupid lol
[07:47] <genii> Cuddles_in_KY Do you have another windoze box to extract it on then pull off the files after?
[07:47] <esc_ape> but that's not how you'd normally run it
[07:47] <esc_ape> here...im going to install it & show you
[07:47] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, maybe, if the daughter is asleep.
[07:48] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, no such luck. next suggestion?
[07:49] <esc_ape> gecko_ did you see the notification window..?
[07:49] <gecko_> it loaded bro...
[07:49] <gecko_> lol i set a wrong pref. on it tho...gotta figure it out
[07:49] <gecko_> i want it to hide after so long..but not instantly
[07:49] <genii> Cuddles_in_KY Afterwards in the windows\inf  dir there should be either a file with the device name (like bcmwhatever.if) or a generic inf file like oem1 oem2   or whichever was the last available in that sort of sequence
[07:50] <surgy> i just made an application launcher for mupen64 how do i change its icon?
[07:50] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, the only files there are bcm43xx64.cat, bcm43xx.cat, bcmwl564.sys, bcmwl5.sys, and lsbcmnds.inf
[07:51] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, as for the downloaded file, i have no way to extract it.
[07:52] <gecko_> ok.something happend..and now when i hover at the bottom..it doesnt show? lol
[07:52] <genii> Cuddles_in_KY I think I would copy the lsbcmnds.inf file to hd, change the extension to txt then try an editor on it again
[07:52] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, i can open it in kate, i just get the warning about saving a binary file.
[07:53] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, and it does appear to be mostly text
[07:54] <genii> Cuddles_in_KY So then perhaps do a check in it for the device name and if it looks alright, it should be the file it wants
[07:54] <esc_ape> yeah, did you try using that .inf file?
[07:55] <gecko_> if i cant access a running program..how can i edit its preferences?
[07:55] <genii> If deus was here he could explain how he got his Broadcom running nice with native linux drivers. Ndiswrapper is so messy etc
[07:55] <gecko_> is there a way? cuz kooldock is running..but it wont pop up lol
[07:56] <Cuddles_in_KY> esc_ape, should i try using this binary .inf?
[07:56] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, strangely, i find no mention of my card in that file
[07:56] <esc_ape> maybe you downloaded the wrong one
[07:57] <genii> Cuddles_in_KY Since it's the only inf file to be found it must be that one or nothing (is my thinking)
[07:57] <Cuddles_in_KY> esc_ape, no, this is on the cd that came with the card
[07:58] <esc_ape> then try it
[07:58] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, if we're wrong, what's the worst that can happen?
[07:58] <esc_ape> you can always remove it
[07:58] <Cuddles_in_KY> trying it
[07:59] <Cuddles_in_KY> ''installing lsbcmnds''
[07:59] <Cuddles_in_KY> ''no vendor''
[07:59] <Cuddles_in_KY> and i'm back at the command prompt
[08:00] <genii> Cuddles_in_KY I found a link that you may find useful
[08:00] <esc_ape> have you searched the forums?
[08:01] <Cuddles_in_KY> esc_ape, several times, and google
[08:01] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, please tell me
[08:01] <genii> Cuddles_in_KY http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185174
[08:01] <gecko_> how do i kill a running process?
[08:01] <genii> As I remember from before the fwcutter thing is the key to these Broadcoms
[08:01] <esc_ape> killall <name of process>
[08:01] <gecko_> lol i jus used kdesysguard
[08:02] <surgy> i need help setting up my xbox controller
[08:02] <esc_ape> dont be afraid of the terminal
[08:02] <gecko_> lol
[08:02] <gecko_> im terrified
[08:02] <genii> surgy It should be some standard type usb controller
[08:02] <esc_ape> it's the matrix
[08:03] <surgy> genii: it is and the controller is recognized as xpad but it only gives me eight buttons and 2 axis, that leaves out 12 buttons
[08:04] <genii> surgy You can add button entries to the xorg.conf file under the input device section. Let me look for an example
[08:04] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, thanks, reading...
[08:04] <|Daisuke_Ido|> genii: it's hardly a standard usb controller.
[08:04] <gecko_> any link for main programs to have as a must for media? namely CD/DVD players / MP3 player and um... anything else lol
[08:04] <|Daisuke_Ido|> which is very upsetting.
[08:04] <surgy> i forgot where xorg.conf is
[08:05] <|Daisuke_Ido|> i'm trying to get my 360 pad working
[08:05] <genii> Daisuke I thought xbox pads are just usb mice with more buttons?
[08:05] <genii> (the driver anyhow)
[08:05] <|Daisuke_Ido|> the xbox might be
[08:06] <surgy> daisuke_ido|: i have an xbox original controller i hacked to be usb
[08:06] <|Daisuke_Ido|> oh wait
[08:06] <stdin> surgy: xorg.conf is in /etc/X11 :)
[08:06] <genii> I didn't know 360 ver :(
[08:06] <|Daisuke_Ido|> he's talking xbox, not xbox 360 controller :(
[08:06] <|Daisuke_Ido|> my mistake!
[08:06] <surgy> yeah my controller picks up like a mouse,
[08:06] <|Daisuke_Ido|> the 360 controller (official) works.
[08:06] <|Daisuke_Ido|> (with the xpad driver)
[08:07] <|Daisuke_Ido|> my pelican 3rd party one however, does not, and it's frustrating me to no end
[08:07] <|Daisuke_Ido|> i have no clue how to blacklist a usb id, either.
[08:08] <surgy> why does it say "input device" "wacom"
[08:08] <surgy> type stylus ?
[08:08] <genii> surgy There is a (gentoo-centric) example of how to add buttons to input device part of xorg.conf here:  http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mouse_Scrollwheel
[08:09] <willemvzyl> hey guys
[08:09] <willemvzyl> can someone help me with a problem i'm having with kubuntu?
[08:09] <genii> !ask willemvzyl
[08:09] <ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[08:09] <genii> !ask | willemvzyl
[08:09] <ubotwo> willemvzyl: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:10] <surgy> another question, when i hold down a key ( for example [backspace]  )  why doesnt it keep deleting untilli let go?
[08:10] <surgy> it only backspaces once and then stops
[08:10] <genii> surgy Sounds like some xmodmap issue there
[08:11] <willemvzyl> lol. ok, i just installed kubuntu, and my resolution is set to 1024x768 (the highest it will go), but the icons still look pretty big. is there another way to make the screen items smaller?
[08:11] <surgy> so i can setup my xbox controller just like a mouse?
[08:12] <surgy> but then how do i calibrate it? and set which physicle button is which button number?
[08:12] <surgy> well im seeing it here but there isnt a gui?
[08:13] <genii> surgy Well if it's seeing it as a wacom or such, then I would look more into devices of that sort first. But if it sees it as a mouse right now I'd just chance adding more buttons to the input device section. But your mileage may vary
[08:13] <thisguy> Hi all, I've been trying to get help with the forums but it hasn't helped much, so maybe some here can
[08:13] <stdin> willemvzyl: System Settings  Appearance  Icons  Advanced tab
[08:13] <surgy> genii: i dont even know what a wacom is
[08:13] <ForgeAus> hey all
[08:13] <ForgeAus> um grub installed into the wrong place!
[08:13] <posingaspopular> surgy: I know a guy who wrote a script for using an xbox controller as a controller for games on kubuntu
[08:14] <posingaspopular> although it may take a while to find it
[08:14] <stdin> surgy: wacom is for tablet devices
[08:14] <posingaspopular> interested?
[08:14] <genii> surgy wacom is a company used to make drawing tablets. Still some legacy builtin support for them in X windows
[08:14] <ForgeAus> how do I put it back?
[08:14] <ForgeAus> erm not back but in the right place?
[08:14] <ForgeAus> ie sdb1?
[08:14] <surgy> posinggaspopular yes very
[08:15] <willemvzyl> thanks, stdin
[08:15] <surgy> genii: i just wished there was an xbcd for linux :( oh well im here to learn
[08:15] <thisguy> ok, so I downloaded the Kubuntu 6.10 edgy eft, installed (had to use the text install), but can't get it to load
[08:15] <posingaspopular> surgy: i have to wait for him to come online, send me a message in a few days or if I see you online, I'll message you
[08:15] <stdin> ForgeAus: use the windows mbr page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[08:15] <ForgeAus> thanx stdin
[08:15] <genii> thisguy Does it start loading grub ?
[08:15] <surgy> posingaspopular: if you find it before you see me hit me up at surgy_377@yahoo.com
[08:16] <thisguy> Every time it starts I get the Kubuntu screen and it changes to a black screen and my computer locks up
[08:16] <thisguy> yes
[08:16] <genii> thisguy Do you have multiple video adapters, or possibly a multi-head card?
[08:16] <thisguy> genii, if u want here's what i have posted on the forums, it might be quicker to read
[08:17] <thisguy> yeah, a geforce 6200
[08:17] <stdin> thisguy: have you tried booting in to the recovery mode ?
[08:17] <thisguy> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=12864.0
[08:17] <surgy> if i can get all my console emus going with the xbox pad it will solve the crisis of no games for linux (for me at least) and then linux will be perfect
[08:17] <ForgeAus> um stdin I don't think this is working
[08:17] <thisguy> no, didn't want to mess with it, I'm a linux newb and didn't know what all it entailed
[08:17] <ForgeAus> hd0,1 doesn't work
[08:18] <posingaspopular> surgy: okay, i'll be in this chanell anyway and using this nick so it's no problem. i just have to wait for him to not be at work
[08:18] <ForgeAus> erm I mean root (hd0,3)
[08:18] <stdin> ForgeAus: wouldn't sdb1 be (hd1,0)
[08:19] <ForgeAus> stdin? I have no idea
[08:19] <ForgeAus> woudl it?
[08:19] <stdin> ForgeAus: what's in the /boot/grub/device.map file
[08:19] <genii> thisguy This may sound stupid but have you tried plugging a monitor into the other video output from the card?
[08:19] <stdin> ForgeAus: (on the root partition)
[08:20] <ForgeAus> ah not the LiveCD the root part... I have to mount it.. brb.
[08:20] <ForgeAus> qtparted is busy using it
[08:20] <surgy> posingaspopular: mind if i pm u?
[08:20] <thisguy> Can't, I only have one monitor and the card has both types of outputs
[08:21] <|Daisuke_Ido|> surgy: you in the US?
[08:21] <surgy> yes
[08:21] <genii> thisguy I suspect that whats happening is it's using the secondary or whatever output.
[08:21] <surgy> you?
[08:21] <newlinuxguy> sigh
[08:21] <newlinuxguy> I must have a dirty cdrom
[08:21] <|Daisuke_Ido|> hit your local wal-mart and grab a gemini retractable recoil pad
[08:22] <|Daisuke_Ido|> they're like $14
[08:22] <newlinuxguy> install keeps having problems with files
[08:22] <thisguy> but the thing is, when it goes to the black screen my monitor doesn't act as if the pc powered down, it stays on and my keyboard doesn't even turn on the lights, when i hit num lock or any of the others
[08:22] <|Daisuke_Ido|> work *great* with everything.
[08:22] <ForgeAus> grr this is taking forever...
[08:22] <|Daisuke_Ido|> and now, i'm off to bed ^_^
[08:22] <surgy> daisuke_idol: lol yeah my shift linkage is broke and im in the middle of the worst blizzard in ten years, im not going anywhere for at least seven days
[08:22] <posingaspopular> surgy: did you get the one i just sent?
[08:22] <|Daisuke_Ido|> oh, it's ps2 form factor
[08:22] <|Daisuke_Ido|> ouch
[08:22] <surgy> plus i allready have this pad and i love it
[08:22] <genii> thisguy Yes, that doesn't sound right. Keyboard should still respond
[08:23] <|Daisuke_Ido|> well, tehre's always tux racer ^_^
[08:23] <surgy> posingaspoular: no
[08:23] <posingaspopular> ah
[08:23] <|Daisuke_Ido|> sleepytime
[08:23] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, i've gotten to the part in that howto about installing network-manager-gnome. do i really need it?
[08:23] <posingaspopular> its because im a live cd
[08:23] <genii> thisguy Have you tried the alternate install CD yet?
[08:23] <posingaspopular> it's filtering out my messages
[08:23] <thisguy> yeah, also after the install it didn't restart, it locked up after it said restarting
[08:23] <thisguy> no, not yet, i wanted to see if there was another way first.
[08:24] <genii> Cuddles_in_KY no, because you are running Kubuntu
[08:24] <thisguy> I was going to try removing the geforce card tomorrow and using the onboard card to see if that might work
[08:24] <thisguy> Just haven't had a chance b/c of work
[08:24] <surgy> possingaspopular join #dew
[08:24] <ForgeAus> ahh ok fixed it
[08:24] <ForgeAus> I think
[08:24] <ForgeAus> lets try it again... brb.
[08:24] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, then what do i do now?
[08:24] <genii> thisguy Hangon did u disable the onboard in the bios?
[08:24] <thisguy> Yeah
[08:25] <genii> thisguy Maybe try that then
[08:25] <thisguy> also tried swapping the cable to it to see if it might be loading onto that, but it wasn't
[08:25] <genii> Cuddles_in_KY hangon I'll peruse the instructions and be back shortly
[08:26] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, hanging
[08:26] <thisguy> alright, any ideas if that doesn't work?
[08:26] <esc_ape> so I have a question...in konqueror,  I selected to always download a .cgi file...but now I change my mind. how can I reverse this?
[08:27] <surgy> posingaspopular: can you join that channel?
[08:27] <genii> Cuddles_in_KY I need to go to a machine with a gui to see the page properly, it will be a bit longer :(
[08:27] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, i'll wait, thanks
[08:28] <genii> thisguy My current thing to try would be remove the card in there and re enable the onboard and try to install with that first
[08:28] <gecko_> anyone familiar with Beryl?
[08:29] <stdin> gecko_: I have some experience with it
[08:29] <Jarn> When I do 'sudo su', how do I get out of root?
[08:29] <stdin> Jarn: type "exit
[08:29] <gecko_> stdin: im installing it now... does it add some kewl theme to it?
[08:29] <thisguy> ok, i'll be back tomorrow and let you all know how that went
[08:29] <gecko_> to kubuntu*
[08:29] <Jarn> stdin: Thanks much!
[08:29] <stdin> Jarn: and the best way to get a root shell is "sudo -i"
[08:29] <thisguy> thanks for your time
[08:29] <stdin> :)
[08:29] <thisguy> and help
[08:30] <stdin> gecko_: emerald provides the themes, well emerald-themes has the themes, and emerald allows you to choose them
[08:30] <gecko_> yea.. i am going by a tut.
[08:31] <gecko_> i was an idiot and forgot to add a deb. to source.list
[08:31] <gecko_> and i forgot how to edit the source.list in terminal
[08:31] <gecko_> im really trying to get used to terminal..
[08:31] <stdin> gecko_: heh, I just compule the source from svn every now and then :P
[08:31] <cpk1> gecko_: easiest way is to do sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:32] <ForgeAus> grrr... stupid typos
[08:32] <ForgeAus> back
[08:32] <ForgeAus> still didn't wokr
[08:32] <surgy> posingaspopular: when you  get back just join #dew and ill be idling there im going to bed ill be back tommorow, i dont mind if you paste the whole thing in the main chat area, please give directions on how to run it
[08:33] <danielches> how do i run flightgear?
[08:33] <esc_ape> gecko_: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list & to delete a line do control-k; to exit/save do control-x
[08:33] <gecko_> lol... im adding..i pasted so now i just ctrl + x?
[08:33] <surgy_asleep> good night all
[08:33] <esc_ape> and then once you have saved the file, be sure to always do sudo apt-get update
[08:34] <gecko_> ok
[08:34] <esc_ape> yes
[08:34] <danielches> i have installed it in adept, but how do i run it, its not in the menu?
[08:34] <stdin> ForgeAus: what's in the /boot/grub/device.map file?
[08:34] <gecko_> ugh..screwed up source.list by adding a deb ? lol
[08:35] <genii> Cuddles_in_KY Haven't forgotten you ... had to reboot that box again becaue I forgot I unhooked a switchbox the keyboard was on and it came up with no way to type in LOL
[08:35] <gecko_> ok.. i jus need to add this repository
[08:35] <stdin> gecko_: I added them to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/beryl.list, so it's easier to manage
[08:36] <ForgeAus> how do I mount the drive?
[08:36] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, ok.
[08:36] <danielches> anyone know how to run flightgear?
[08:36] <gecko_> deb http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/
[08:36] <ForgeAus> I don't know what partition its referred to as now
[08:36] <gecko_> i jus gotta copy ^
[08:36] <gecko_> im not skilled enough with that stdin
[08:36] <stdin> gecko_: use "deb http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/ edgy main"
[08:36] <stdin> ForgeAus: sdb1 ?
[08:37] <ForgeAus> sdb1 is my windows 98 partition
[08:37] <gecko_> ok.. so copy that where in my source.list?
[08:37] <gecko_> anywhere?
[08:37] <stdin> ForgeAus: what's the linux one ?
[08:37] <stdin> gecko_: yeah, but I usually just add to the end of the file
[08:37] <gecko_> ok
[08:38] <ForgeAus> the linux one is the next one is that sdb2?
[08:38] <gecko_> Reading package lists... Done
[08:38] <gecko_> W: GPG error: http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org edgy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 3FF0DB166A7476EA
[08:38] <gecko_> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[08:38] <gecko_> gecko@gecko-laptop:~$
[08:38] <gecko_> whats that mean?
[08:39] <stdin> ForgeAus: should be :P, so you do (in konsole): sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt
[08:39] <ForgeAus> grrr needs a type what sdb2?
[08:39] <ForgeAus> ext3 isn't the type flag?
[08:39] <ForgeAus> after -t in the mount command
[08:39] <stdin> ForgeAus: shouldn't, but try with the "-t ext3"
[08:39] <genii> Cuddles_in_KY OK, you don't need to do the gnome network manager part. If you want you could install something like wlassistant
[08:40] <ForgeAus> thats what I did
[08:40] <ForgeAus> complained that its a bad option
[08:40] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, assuming that i can't install anything, where do i go from here/
[08:40] <stdin> gecko_: run this "wget http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/root@lupine.me.uk.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -" to add the key
[08:41] <gecko_> interesting enough... my updater found it?
[08:41] <gecko_> and updated it itself
[08:41] <stdin> ForgeAus: what does "sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb" show ?
[08:41] <gecko_> it found 3updates including my x server
[08:42] <stdin> l = lower case L
[08:42] <Jarn> When I do apt-get update, it updates 50-60 sources, but I only have ~20 in my sources.list. Also, a lot get ignored only to be done again later.
[08:42] <ForgeAus> ok /dev/sdb1 w95 FAT32 (LBA)
[08:42] <ForgeAus> ahh its not it sdb3
[08:42] <ForgeAus> coz sdb2 is an extended partition
[08:42] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, running wlassistant gives me ''no usable wireless devices found. wireless assistant will now quit''
[08:42] <genii> Cuddles_in_KY Well, hopefully the card should work after the first section, which would be for any ubuntu version, kubuntu inclusive. After a reboot you can check for the driver by command-line   lsmod|grep bcm*    and hopefully see that the driver has been loaded
[08:43] <stdin> ForgeAus: ahh, so you need to do "sudo mount /dev/sdb3 /mnt"
[08:43] <ForgeAus> yeah
[08:43] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, driver isn't showing up
[08:43] <stdin> ForgeAus: then look what's in /mnt/boot/grub/device.map
[08:43] <genii> Cuddles_in_KY for the driver to load you need to reboot. It is dynamically loaded at that time
[08:44] <ForgeAus> its got (hd0).   /dev/sda
[08:44] <ForgeAus> (hd1).    /dev/sdb
[08:44] <ForgeAus> thats it
[08:44] <stdin> Jarn: so you need to install grub on "(hd1,4)"
[08:44] <stdin> opps
[08:44] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, rebooting. hang on
[08:44] <genii> Cuddles_in_KY Well, you can try to load it with a command like  modprobe <modulenamehere)
[08:44] <ForgeAus> grubs installed in it
[08:44] <stdin> ForgeAus:  for you
[08:44] <ForgeAus> wait is it?
[08:45] <gecko_> u guys are up awfully late..atleast for me hehe..where is everyone from? other than cudldles who i know is up late
[08:45] <genii> Cuddles_in_KY Thanks, thats the fastest way really
[08:45] <stdin> Jarn: main restricted ... etc count as 1 repo
[08:45] <stdin> Jarn: *each
[08:45] <ForgeAus> stdin can you send me back to the url you had me at before?
[08:45] <ForgeAus> the recovery one?
[08:45] <ForgeAus> I can't save bookmarks on a LIVECD
[08:45] <genii> gecko_ 2:45AM here in Toronto :)
[08:45] <esc_ape> anyone know how to forge or disable sending referrals in konqueror?
[08:45] <stdin> ForgeAus: you want this one https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows#head-bf3232f10ddf1b078de064622ccbb25225cdb3c0
[08:45] <ForgeAus> ok
[08:45] <gecko_> genii...its prolly same time ehre then lol.. 2:45 am?
[08:46] <Jarn> stdin: Ah. But why are some ignored?
[08:46] <genii> gecko_ Yeah thats what my wall clock sez
[08:46] <renato> does anyone know of a KDE GUI suite for managing a network?
[08:46] <gecko_> lol
[08:47] <Morbo> konsole? ;)
[08:47] <gecko_> im in indiana USA, so im kinda jus south of you by several honors...same time zone
[08:47] <stdin> Jarn: hard to tell without seeing the output, but some will be the translations, which you probably don't need
[08:47] <gecko_> hours*
[08:47] <renato> brr
[08:47] <ForgeAus> thats wierd
[08:47] <ForgeAus> it says file not found now
[08:47] <ForgeAus> found it the first time
[08:48] <ForgeAus> hmm ok well its not there on the live cd now
[08:48] <ForgeAus> so thats why it couldn't find it
[08:48] <esc_ape> renato - what do you mean by managing a network? you mean wifi?
[08:48] <renato> you're no longer connected to the internet ForgeAus, this is a previously recorded chat to simulate that you were still here, :-P
[08:48] <stdin> ForgeAus: ahh, it's (hd1,2)
[08:48] <stdin> ForgeAus: forgot grub starts at 0
[08:49] <ForgeAus> rofl renato
[08:49] <stdin> ForgeAus: (hd1,2) = sdb3
[08:49] <ForgeAus> I got 1,2
[08:49] <ForgeAus> I already did that
[08:49] <renato> no, esc_ape, I mean, managing different tasks for a server, like adding devices to a network, printers, reports and such
[08:49] <stdin> ForgeAus: so you did "root (hd1,2)" then "setup (hd1)" ?
[08:50] <esc_ape> nope not me
[08:50] <ForgeAus> setup hd1? or setup hd1,2?
[08:50] <renato> I tried the ubuntu-server channel, but no one there
[08:50] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, rebooted, module didn't load. loaded the module manually, wlassistant still says no adapters found.
[08:50] <stdin> ForgeAus: hd1
[08:50] <ForgeAus> is that what messed up?
[08:50] <ForgeAus> oh ok can I do that after I already did setup (hd1,2)?
[08:51] <stdin> ForgeAus: you should be able to, yeah
[08:51] <Jarn> stdin: http://pastebin.com/863356
[08:51] <genii> Cuddles_in_KY The network monitor app in Kubuntu may not show it there but as I recall it does actually work. The monitor not seeing it is another issue of some sort the solution escapes me at the moment
[08:51] <ForgeAus> ok
[08:51] <gecko_> haha..when i got that key thing..and went to update..  it showed the site canonical.com
[08:51] <ForgeAus> trying it now
[08:51] <gecko_> and i know a person who works for them personally
[08:51] <renato> wlassistant never worked back when I had breezy. It works with dapper, lord knows why
[08:52] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, any further ideas before i chuck windows back on it?
[08:53] <genii> Cuddles_in_KY Well, to see if it's using the card but just not showin maybe try to ping tohe wap from it
[08:53] <gecko_> crap.. idk if im setting this up right...should i be setting this up for with XGL?
[08:53] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, network is unreachable.
[08:53] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, no lights on the card either
[08:54] <renato> I'm so lucky I didn't have to tweak anything with this distro. It JUST WORKS.
[08:54] <gecko_> lol yea same here renato... i jus customizing it now lol...as far as appearance
[08:54] <genii> Cuddles_in_KY well, since the driver was manually loaded in restart network by:   sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart     then do: ifconfig   to see if it got an ip from the wap
[08:55] <genii> renato The Broadcom adapters are horrendously bad
[08:55] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, networking restart failed out, and so did ifconfig
[08:55] <renato> Broadcom
[08:55] <renato> I mean "?"
[08:56] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, ''no such device''
[08:56] <stdin> Jarn: check the http://kubuntu.org repo, it seems wrong, also you need to get the key for wine so you do this: "gpg --search-keys 58403026387EE263" then press 1, then "gpg --export -a 387EE263|sudo apt-key add -"
[08:56] <genii> Cuddles_in_KY OK, since i know you want to go sleep I'd say go do that and return to it later if you are determined LOL
[08:57] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, i'd rather get this fixed now. ifconfig -a shows lo, and sit0 if that helps
[08:57] <genii> Did you do:  sudo modprobe bcm43xx      as the command to load the driver?
[08:57] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, yes
[08:57] <genii> ^ Cuddles
[08:58] <renato> careful, because when your do sudo modprobe, the comp tries to  probe YOU!!!
[08:58] <genii> Cuddles_in_KY when you do:  sudo lsmod|grep bcm*   does it show anything using the driver?
[08:58] <Jarn> stdin: It says the key is not found.
[08:58] <Jarn> stdin: "gpg: key "58403026387EE263" not found on keyserver"
[08:58] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, no. but it shows 2 other entries that the driver is using. ieee80211softmac and ieee80211
[08:59] <genii> Thats hopeful
[08:59] <gecko_> lol ok so i did something wrong... i ran it..and it jus...reran kde and no changes
[08:59] <gecko_> lol tho i can see the themes..but not activate them?
[08:59] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, next?
[08:59] <stdin> Jarn: what keyserver is it using ?
[08:59] <genii> The device sit0 ... does that have an IP ?
[08:59] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, no
[09:00] <Jarn> stdin: subkeys.pgp.net
[09:00] <stdin> Jarn: try "gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --search-keys 58403026387EE263"
[09:00] <renato> themes are such a pain
[09:00] <Jarn> stdin: Still not found.
[09:00] <renato> I once tried and ended up screwing the xserver
[09:00] <genii> Cuddles_in_KY Can you please pastebin the contents of the file /etc/network/interfaces    for me?
[09:01] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, how?
[09:01] <genii> !pastebin | Cuddles_in_KY
[09:01] <ubotwo> Cuddles_in_KY: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:01] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, no network connection on that system, period.
[09:01] <renato> and since I didn't know how to fix it with the command line, I just reinstalled the system altogether, I'm not touching that until the kde team puts a button thingy that says "get theme" and "apply theme"
[09:02] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, looking at it, i can tell you that it's the default file [no changes made] , and there's no sit0 entry
[09:02] <genii> Cuddles_in_KY The idea is to use an editor to view the file, then copy and paste it to the pastebin website then report back the url so I can go see it
[09:03] <genii> Cuddles_in_KY Is there an eth0 or wlan0 entry in that file?
[09:03] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, i know what pastebin is, thank you. but i'm not willing to seven-finger copy it considering that it's the default file.
[09:03] <stdin> Jarn: ok, use this "wget http://www.pastebin.ca/raw/322318 -O - | sudo apt-key add - "
[09:03] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, eth0 and wlan0 are both there.
[09:04] <Jucato> :O
[09:04] <genii> Cuddles_in_KY But yet wlan0 is not showing on ifconfig
[09:05] <Jarn> stdin: Thanks. :D
[09:05] <genii> Is eth0 showing on ifconfig?
[09:05] <stdin> genii: wouldn't wlan0 be in iwconfig ?
[09:05] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, correct. but sit0 is, whatever that is. and eth0 isn't showing either
[09:05] <stdin> Jarn: yw :)
[09:05] <Jarn> stdin: If it just ignores the translations anyway, is there a way to make it so it doesn't check for them?
[09:05] <Hobbsee> !gpg
[09:05] <ubotwo> gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[09:05] <Jarn> stdin: Would the source for them be for anything other than translations?
[09:06] <Cuddles_in_KY> stdin, output of iwconfig shows lo and sit0
[09:06] <Cuddles_in_KY> both with ''no wireless extensions''
[09:06] <genii> stdin PErhaps ... I haven't got a wireless adapter on my laptop so I refer to the interfaces file
[09:06] <stdin> Jarn: the translation checking is built in to apt, so I don't know if it can be disabled
[09:06] <Jarn> stdin: Ah.
[09:07] <stdin> Jarn: and check the kubuntu repo too
[09:07] <Jarn> stdin: I fixed that.
[09:07] <Cuddles_in_KY> i get so tired typing one-handed
[09:08] <stdin> Jarn: apt-get update should work ok now :)
[09:08] <Jarn> stdin: It was old, the Amarok repo was 144 now, not 143. It was back from version 1.4.3
[09:08] <Jarn> stdin: It does, thanks a lot. :D
[09:08] <stdin> Jarn: if you want the latest, change it to amarok-latest :)
[09:09] <genii> I wonder if dhcp client is installed
[09:09] <Jarn> stdin: Ah, thanks!
[09:09] <Cuddles_in_KY> tell me what to type genii
[09:09] <stdin> yw Jarn  :)
[09:10] <Jarn> stdin: There's one thing left... It's checking Wine twice for some reason, and ignoring the first one, even though it's only in sources.list once.
[09:11] <makuseru> is there a Mac OSX emulator?
[09:11] <genii> Cuddles_in_KY I am thinking about this but don't type anything right now LOL. I think it could be a number of possible things, trying to figure a best approach
[09:11] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, i'm calling it a night. getting bad finger cramps from all this typing. ;)
[09:12] <Jarn> stdin: Well, I just commented out wine, since I use a binary I compiled anyway.
[09:12] <genii> Cuddles_in_KY Well if you return tomorrow or so there may be further help available
[09:12] <Cuddles_in_KY> genii, if you think of anything, just msg me. i'm still on the server, just not in-channel.
[09:12] <genii> Will do
[09:12] <Cuddles_in_KY> and thanks for the help.
[09:12] <Cuddles_in_KY> laters taters
[09:13] <stdin> Jarn: I just enabled the wine repo here, it does the same for some reason
[09:13] <Jarn> stdin: Ah. That is quite odd. Well, I'll just comment it out since I don't use it.
[09:14] <ForgeAus> ok well that didn't work
[09:14] <ForgeAus> but grub started before NTLDR so its one step forward
[09:14] <[StingRay] > Hi, stdin :)
[09:15] <stdin> Jarn: you can put extra sources in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory, it's a good way to keep organised, eg I have a beryl.list in there to keep it separate :)
[09:15] <stdin> hey [StingRay]  :)
[09:15] <Jarn> stdin: Oh, thanks, I didn't know that!
[09:16] <Jarn> stdin: Then I can get rid of the 'User added' section. ;)
[09:16] <ForgeAus> it could either not mount the partition or it complained a partition wasn't valid
[09:16] <nate_> for some reason every time a boot the systems dose a checking file system fsck 1.39, now this kills my boot time, is there away i can stop this from happening?
[09:16] <genii> nate_ If it wants to run a filesystem check every boot, odds are your hard drive is going bad
[09:17] <stdin> Jarn: makes it easier to disable a reop, just rename the file to remove the .list and it won't be used :P
[09:17] <nate_> i doubt that because its a almost brand new laptop
[09:17] <nate_> xp is working fine and dosnt feel the need todoa chkdsk
[09:18] <stdin> xp is dumb tho, it only checks when you tell it to
[09:18] <nate_> not really, but is there somthing in written in grub that tells it to check?
[09:18] <genii> nate_ There are some instances where the feature called SMART (Self Monitoring and Reporting) for the hard drives always tells the operating system to check the drive. If this is whats causing it, you can usually disable this feature of the hard drive from the bios of your computer.
[09:19] <nate_> i dont think ive seen that in the bios, there isnt much in my bios, and it only dose this check when booting into kubuntu
[09:19] <nate_> it takes around 15seconds, so theres no way it can scan the whole 120gb that fast
[09:20] <genii> nate_ When you finish using the machine when it's been booted to kubuntu, does it go into powersaving then shut off or some other non-standard proper logoff/shutdown method?
[09:21] <nate_> no
[09:21] <genii> For instance if you are hibernating it each time but the previous time it did a true shutdown and cold boot it was checking the fs, it will do that fs check every time
[09:22] <nate_> i dont use the hibernate
[09:23] <ForgeAus> menu.list is the file to edit right?
[09:23] <genii> nate_ When you shutdown does it hang or power down properly?
[09:24] <nate_> it powersdown properly
[09:24] <stdin> ForgeAus: for grub, yeah
[09:25] <genii> nate_ It is conceivable that the automated filesystem check finds errors that it cannot auto-repair... have you run the fsck manually after booting to safe kernel?
[09:25] <nate_> no, should i boot into recovery and sudo fsck?
[09:26] <stdin> to force a check do "sudo shutdown -F -r now"
[09:26] <ForgeAus> why wont it work on a config:  title Kubuntu; root (hd1); kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/sdb3 ro quiet splash; initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-10-generic; quiet; savedefault;  boot
[09:26] <ForgeAus> complains it can't mount it
[09:26] <premier_> hello guys
[09:26] <ForgeAus> (I had to remove the ,2 after hd1)
[09:26] <genii> nate_ That would be the thing I would try. You won't need sudo tho, it will want to put you in root by default. If it comes up with many errors and hitting "y" gets tedious you can run fsck with   fsck -y /dev/hdnamehere
[09:27] <ForgeAus> lol now I have 3 boot loaders stringed along
[09:27] <ForgeAus> grub into ntldr into win98!
[09:27] <stdin> ForgeAus: you want the root to be (hd1,2)
[09:27] <ForgeAus> ok
[09:27] <MetaBookfoziS> hi all
[09:27] <premier_> Im trying to shrink a windows partitions, and theres some stuff at the end of the drive, including some stuff that the windows defragmenter lists as "unmovable files"
[09:27] <ForgeAus> then it complains no such partition
[09:27] <nate_> so should i do sudo shutdown -F -r now that now, or boot into recovery and fsck
[09:27] <premier_> Will qtparted be able to work around this?
[09:28] <MetaBookfoziS> What package or service is the manager of plugged in block devices? I have messed up something, and my kubuntu won'T recognises if i plug in my pendrive or phone...
[09:28] <MetaBookfoziS> pls helpme.
[09:28] <ForgeAus> or should it be 0,1?
[09:28] <danielches> is there a way to install monodevelop, without having to install the packaged version of firefox?
[09:28] <ForgeAus> (that works for XP)
[09:28] <ForgeAus> well actually its 0,0 for XP strangely enough
[09:29] <stdin> ForgeAus: it should be the root of the linux partition, which is sdb3 so grub will use (hd1,2)
[09:29] <genii> nate_ I don't think you need to do the forcible shutdown method if it is powering off properly as you said. But I would do the fsck after booting to the safe kernel
[09:29] <ForgeAus> um ok whatever I'm not sure I get that at all but anyhow why doesn't it understand the partition on that config then?
[09:29] <nate_> do i just type fsck and thats it?
[09:29] <premier_> can you guys hear me?  Ive been having some trouble with IRC
[09:30] <ForgeAus> premier, you seem to be ok from here
[09:30] <nate_> i cant hear you, but i can read you
[09:30] <premier_> okay good
[09:30] <ForgeAus> but I didn't hear you I read you
[09:30] <premier_> haha
[09:30] <stdin> danielches: no, it apparently depends on firefox
[09:30] <genii> nate_ If right now in konsole you do: mount    what drive does it say that /   is?
[09:30] <danielches> i have firefox installed.
[09:30] <danielches> just the english version
[09:31] <danielches> not the us one which the package manager installs
[09:31] <nate_>  /dev/sda7 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[09:31] <stdin> ForgeAus: the root is the partition with /boot on it, if sdb3 is the linux partition, then the root needs to be "(hd1,2)" meaning sdb3
[09:32] <danielches> so, monodevelop depends on the us version of ff?
[09:32] <genii> nate_ OK good. So boot to safe kernel. Then do:  fsck -y /dev/sda7
[09:32] <ForgeAus> stdin the kubuntu partition is the only ext3 partition Ig ot which is sdb3 (and it has /boot on it)
[09:32] <nate_> ok thanks ill try that and hopefully be back
[09:32] <genii> I can't remember if it groans about mounted fs on single user boot
[09:33] <genii> If it does that try booting to live cd and do an fsck from there instead
[09:33] <stdin> ForgeAus: yes, so it needs to have "root (hd1,2)" to be able to find the kernel
[09:33] <ForgeAus> ok
[09:33] <ForgeAus> well its still not booting from that config
[09:33] <ForgeAus> coz thats what it was set to and it complained no such paritition or something like that
[09:34] <ForgeAus> so something else needs to be done to it
[09:34] <stdin> genii: "shutdown -F -r now" forces a fsck
[09:34] <genii> stdin What, the -r ?
[09:34] <stdin> genii: reboot
[09:34] <Jucato> isn't it -R for reboot/restart?
[09:35] <Jucato> oh yeah.. -r
[09:35] <stdin> Jucato: nope
[09:35] <stdin> heh :)
[09:35] <genii> Ah I always forget the switches... I thought -F was for Force
[09:35] <Jucato> -r reboot, -h halt (total shutdown)
[09:35] <stdin> genii: it is, but it forces a fsck
[09:36] <manchicken> !wmv
[09:36] <ubotwo> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:36] <genii> Good to know... I wonder if he caught all this or left already LOL
[09:38] <genii> stdin I'm pretty sure it's a case of the auto check finds errors that need to be fixed by manually running
[09:38] <Jarn> Where are bash aliases stored besides ~/.bashrc and /etc/bash.bashrc ?
[09:38] <stdin> genii: I think so too
[09:39] <stdin> Jarn: if you set it in the ~/.bashrc file, they can be in ~/.bash_aliases
[09:39] <Jarn> stdin: It's not there either... *sigh*
[09:40] <stdin> Jarn: what isn't ?
[09:40] <Jarn> stdin: I set an alias at one point and I'm trying to get rid of it. But I can't find where I set it.
[09:41] <Jarn> stdin: It shows up when I type 'alias', but not in any of the bash profiles. Well, it's in ~/.bashrc, but it's commented out.
[09:41] <premier_> can you guys help me with this?  Im trying to shrink a windows partitions, and theres some stuff at the end of the drive, including some stuff that the windows defragmenter lists as "unmovable files"
[09:41] <stdin> Jarn: if you set it with the alias command on the terminal, then it won't be in a file
[09:41] <Linux_Galore> ok, Im back
[09:41] <stdin> Jarn: it's saved as a variable
[09:41] <Jarn> stdin: Hrm, creating a new terminal got rid of it.
[09:42] <stdin> Jarn: what did you set the alias as?
[09:42] <Linux_Galore> premier_: be carefull some machine put a partition on the drive for the bios
[09:42] <Jarn> It was apt-get=sudo apt-get
[09:43] <premier_> okay
[09:43] <Linux_Galore> premier_: you might just brick your machine if its for the bios
[09:44] <premier_> Linux_Galore: yeah, my first one is fat16, its about 47MB
[09:44] <stdin> Jarn: use unalias :)
[09:45] <stdin> Jarn: that's an alias I have too :P
[09:45] <premier_> Linux_Galore: I have a windows partition thats my 2nd, and linux is my third.  Can I insert a partition between those two by shrinking windows?
[09:45] <nefast> buon giorno!
[09:45] <Jarn> stdin: ;)
[09:45] <Linux_Galore> premier_: yes
[09:45] <stdin> !it | nefast
[09:45] <ubotwo> nefast: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:45] <Linux_Galore> premier_: just defrag it then resize, if you not sure back it up
[09:46] <Jarn> stdin: Well, there's more than one way to skin a horse. I set up an alias for "apt-get update | grep -v Translation" so it won't show translations. If it has to happen, atleast it won't show it. ;)
[09:46] <premier_> Linux_Galore: it wont let me resize my ntfs
[09:46] <genii> If you have some external drive that is larger than the size of all partitions you can dd them to files on the external
[09:46] <premier_> the option is grayed out
[09:47] <nefast>   I try to us!!! thanks
[09:47] <Linux_Galore> premier_: yes because NTFS isnt a documented file system so anything you write for it is guess work
[09:47] <premier_> how did I do this before?
[09:48] <Linux_Galore> premier_: probably used a comercial app
[09:48] <stdin> Jarn: I have an alias like search="apt-cache search" and show="apt-cache show" saves me some typing
[09:48] <Jarn> stdin: Ah, sounds like a good idea. I think I'll do it.
[09:48] <premier_> Linux_Galore: I used the qtparted on mepis
[09:49] <premier_> Im gonna try the live cd
[09:49] <genii> stdin I have a dir alias for ls because I revert sometimes to my old DOS-isms
[09:49] <Linux_Galore> premier_: you can find distro's that will do it but the problem is NTFS isnt documented so there is a 5-10% chance of totally stuffing it up
[09:49] <Jarn> stdin: Though I'd probably forget I had it and never use it. :P
[09:49] <premier_> okay
[09:50] <premier_> how do I back stuff up with linux?
[09:50] <premier_> can I just "dump" my ntfs onto my external hard drive?
[09:50] <genii> premier_ There are quite a few answers to that :)
[09:51] <Linux_Galore> premier_: use something like kbackup backup even plain old dd or tar
[09:51] <stdin> genii: I have a /bin/dir which seems to be a copy of /bin/ls , I didn't do that :P
[09:51] <Jarn> I have a flash drive and an external hard drive that have different file systems but I plug them into the same USB port depending on which one I use. The problem is since they have different fs types, I have to edit fstab every time. Is there a way to make it autodetect?
[09:51] <genii> premier_ Yes, that is the best way with foreign fs types
[09:51] <premier_> okay, kbackup is good?
[09:51] <Linux_Galore> premier_: yeah, very simple
[09:51] <stdin> Jarn: you shouldn't put removable devices in fstab
[09:52] <genii> eg: something like dd if=/dev/hda2 of=/dev/sda1/myntfsdrive.img
[09:52] <premier_> its not in the kubuntu repositories
[09:52] <stdin> Jarn: but, you should change the fd type to "auto"
[09:52] <Jarn> stdin: Where should I put them?
[09:52] <stdin> Jarn: nowhere
[09:52] <Jarn> stdin: Then how do I access the files on them>?
[09:53] <stdin> Jarn: they should just be detected and mounted with pmount (from the KDE popup)
[09:53] <Jarn> stdin: How do I set it up to mount from the KDE popup?
[09:54] <genii> premier_ How large of an external drive you have compared to internal drive size?
[09:54] <premier_> hold on
[09:54] <stdin> Jarn: when you insert the device, a popup should appear, then you can choose to "open in a new window" to mount and open it, it "Do nothing" to just mount it
[09:55] <Linux_Galore> hmm bugger, they havent put kbackup on the remo
[09:55] <Jarn> stdin: Woah, I did not know it did that. I thought "Do nothing" meant, literally, do nothing. :P
[09:55] <Linux_Galore> repo*
[09:55] <premier_> I have 273gigs total, 162 free
[09:55] <stdin> Jarn: me to the 1st time I tried it, but it mounts it, if you press cancel then it does nothing :P
[09:55] <genii> premier_ on external?
[09:56] <Jarn> stdin: Nifty. ;)
[09:56] <premier_> theres two partitions, the other one is a 20 gig fat32, the first is a 273 gig ext3
[09:56] <premier_> genii: yeah
[09:56] <Jarn> stdin: And I can just do the same thing with my external harddrive?
[09:56] <Linux_Galore> kbackup -> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=44998
[09:57] <genii> premier_ and what is the size of the internal drive with the stuff you want to resize?
[09:57] <Jarn> stdin: Yep, I can. I just checked. >:D Thanks!
[09:57] <stdin> Jarn: it should work the same with any external device, defiantly if its USB
[09:57] <premier_> about 87, but only 25 is used
[09:58] <premier_> do they have a package for ubuntu?
[09:58] <genii> premier_ You can easily backup the entire drive then with the dd method to a file on the external
[09:58] <premier_> how do I do that?
[09:58] <Linux_Galore> premier_: now, you have to download it and compile it, you can use kompile for that (yes thats on the repo)
[09:58] <Linux_Galore> s/now/no
[09:58] <premier_> will the file be 25 gigs or 87?
[09:59] <premier_> i just got a strange error code on apt-get
[09:59] <premier_> can I paste bin it?
[10:00] <genii> premier if internal hd is hda for example, you can backup the entire thing without specifying a partiton number
[10:00] <Jarn> When I restart my computer, it restarts fine. If I tell it to shut down, it stops when the loading screen bar get's empty, when it should turn itself off.
[10:00] <premier_> my internal is called sda for some reason
[10:00] <premier_> windows is on sda2, linux sda3
[10:00] <genii> premier_ You can backup ALL the partitions by using just the main drive designation eg: hda or so
[10:01] <premier_> okay
[10:01] <genii> premier_ So the external drive is sdb ?
[10:01] <premier_> is that a good idea and (2) will that take eternity
[10:01] <premier_> yeah
[10:02] <genii> premier_ Well, it does a bit by bit copy so it doesn't care about fs and so on and will copy your mbr also so it's a very good way. But yes, takes a long time
[10:02] <premier_> http://pastebin.com/863426 I never had that happen to me before
[10:02] <premier_> hmm... is there a quicker way?
[10:02] <premier_> genii?
[10:03] <genii> premier_ There are some switches you can pass to the dd command which will speed it up some but it will still take a while
[10:03] <premier_> hmmm....
[10:05] <genii> premier_ But I have to stress that the advantage of the dd is that it doesn't care about the contents, it just does a bit by bit straight copy. So if things get entirely messed you can revert by just copying the image back
[10:05] <genii> It's like a system snapshot
[10:07] <premier_> hmm... how long is it going to take?  overnight?
[10:07] <premier_> a week?
[10:07] <genii> premier_ Well I've found on ata133 speed drive to an external usb2 enclosure it does 80 gigs in about 9 hours
[10:08] <premier_> hmmm...
[10:08] <Jarn2> When I restart, my computer restarts fine. However, if I turn it off, it stops doing anything when the loading screen bar gets empty, when it would normally shut off, and I have to power it down manually.
[10:08] <premier_> that sounds like my drive.  laptops are usually ata, right?
[10:08] <genii> Yeah usually IDE drives of 100 or 133
[10:08] <premier_> Jarn2: do you have acpi enabled?
[10:10] <nagyv> hello! Why do I get this error: "
[10:10] <nagyv> Couldn't connect DCOP signal.
[10:10] <nagyv> Won't receive any status notifications!
[10:10] <kraut> moin
[10:10] <nagyv> I just have to do a right click on the desktop or in konqueror, but it happens only once, at the first reboot.
[10:11] <nagyv> and after I receive the usual context menu without problems.
[10:11] <mena> i installed wine but i cant run applications with exe ...Why?
[10:12] <Jarn2> premier_: No. I'm about to try enabling it and checkingi f that helps.
[10:12] <Jarn2> premier_: I have "noapic nolapic acpi=off" set for boot, do I need to remove all three? Or only the 'acpi=off' bit?
[10:12] <mena> ANy One Freinds
[10:13] <manchicken> Jarn2: Are you running any ATI or nvidia binary drivers?
[10:13] <premier_> Jarn2: Im not the expert here, but I have the exact same situation
[10:13] <stdin> Jarn2: I have those too, I need them to boot, and I have the same issue as you
[10:13] <nagyv> mena: did you tried this? http://www.winehq.org/site/docs/wineusr-guide/running
[10:13] <premier_> you can try deleting acpi=off for starters
[10:14] <mena> nagyv, not yet
[10:14] <premier_> If it doesnt work, I dont know
[10:14] <stdin> Jarn2: luckily for me, I don't shutdown often :)
[10:14] <genii> Jarn2 Do you have some dual-core cpu?
[10:14] <nagyv> mena: it seems to be a basic start of wine, just try it if it works
[10:14] <Jarn2> genii: No.
[10:14] <Jarn2> manchicken: I don'
[10:14] <Jarn2> manchicken: I don't know.
[10:14] <Jarn2> I'll try taking out acpi=off and see what happens.
[10:14] <manchicken> If you're running proprietary graphics drivers, try removing them to see if it helps.  I've found that proprietary graphics drivers--particularly the ATI drivers--interrupt ACPI interaction.  Some of the wifi drivers do the same thing.
[10:15] <premier_> I hate ati
[10:15] <manchicken> Jarn2: Do you have an nvidia or ATI card?  If so, are you using 3d accel?  If so, you probably are running those drivers.
[10:16] <Jarn2> manchicken: nVidia, and I do believe I am using 3D acceleration.
[10:16] <stdin> if I don't have acpi=off (amongst other things) in my boot options, I can't boot
[10:16] <Jarn2> * Jarn has quit IRC ("Konversation terminated!")
 manchicken: nVidia, and I do believe I am using 3D acceleration.
[10:16] <Jarn2> <stdin
[10:16] <Jarn2> Er.
[10:16] <Jarn2> Oops.
[10:16] <Jarn2> Sorry.
[10:16] <Jarn2> stdin: That's the way it was for me when I was installing Kubuntu. That's why they're there.
[10:16] <manchicken> Jarn2: Then you're using the proprietary nvidia drivers.  Try removing them to see if that helps at all.
[10:17] <Jarn2> manchicken: I'll check that after I take out noapic, nolapic, and acpi=off.
[10:17] <manchicken> stdin: That'll depend on the machine.
[10:17] <manchicken> Okie dokie.
[10:17] <manchicken> You may just not have a machine that supports ACPI.
[10:17] <stdin> Jarn2: you can try removing it, but you may not be able to boot without it, try removing it at boot, rather than from the menu.lst file
[10:17] <mena> nagyv, ok
[10:17] <Originoo> hey, is there a user-search plugin for kopete (icq) ?
[10:17] <Jarn2> stdin: Ah, Okay. How do I do that? I already took out acpi=off and booted fine, but I figured I would do them one at a time.
[10:18] <manchicken> stdin: I would think most machines would boot with acpi=off.
[10:18] <goat> ;\
[10:18] <manchicken> stdin: acpi is for advanced power management (e.g. power-save mode, suspend, hibernate, etc)
[10:19] <Jarn2> manchicken: Mine didn't when I was installing, and I thought of turning ACPI off because I saw that when I googled for the error I was getting. I don't know how it was for stdin.
[10:19] <ForgeAus> hmmm
[10:19] <ForgeAus> still no such partition
[10:19] <stdin> Jarn2: you go in to the grub menu, choose the kernel to boot, press "e" then move to the kernel line, press "e" again, then you can remove the part, press enter then "b" to boot
[10:19] <stdin> manchicken: I know what acpi is
[10:19] <Jarn2> Ah.
[10:19] <Jarn2> stdin: Thanks.
[10:20] <stdin> np :)
[10:20] <Jarn2> Woot! It shut down!
[10:20] <manchicken> Jarn2: I've seen some people who have trouble with ACPI right off.  Weird IRQ assignments as well.  One way I've seen to fix it is to set your bios to use suspend2.  some call it different things (S2 is another common one I've seen), but 2 seems to be the constant.  That'd be in your bios settings.
[10:20] <Jarn2> Well, it works fine now that I set acpi=off.
[10:20] <manchicken> Sure.
[10:21] <manchicken> Make sure that all of your devices work like that.
[10:21] <manchicken> Some network cards--particularly wireless ones--don't work without acpi.
[10:21] <Linux_Galore> is there s kubuntu package list, Im trying to get qt3-mt-dev to install but its refusing because kubuntu has a broken mesa package setup
[10:22] <Jarn2> What are noapic and nolapic?
[10:22] <ForgeAus> stdin whys it saying no such partition?
[10:22] <manchicken> Linux_Galore: Sounds like you've got a broken mesa install.  If you're using weird graphics drivers they sometimes hose that.  nvidia hosed that for my wife's machine until i fiddled with it a bit.
[10:23] <mena> nagyv, What is Libraries In the wine Do You knmow
[10:23] <Linux_Galore> manchicken: no I can "prove" the packages on the repo are "not compatable with each other" theres a version problem
[10:23] <ForgeAus> whats hd1,2 mean exactly anyway?
[10:23] <nagyv> dll files, but first just try the "last" line of the link I gave to you
[10:23] <manchicken> Linux_Galore: Who's mesa package do you have installed?
[10:23] <Linux_Galore> manchicken: the version numbers dont even match and that why apt is complaining
[10:24] <stdin> ForgeAus: hd1,2 means the 2nd hard drive and the 3rd partition
[10:24] <Linux_Galore> manchicken: I have the standard stuff but the dev packages have a breakage
[10:24] <genii> Jarn2 To answer your question apic is an interrupt controller
[10:24] <ForgeAus> hmmm that sounds right
[10:24] <manchicken> Linux_Galore: Interesting.  You should post a bug report for that.
[10:24] <ForgeAus> waht if its not the third partition?
[10:24] <jarn> genii: And what is an interrupt controller?
[10:24] <ForgeAus> I mean its sdb3 but is it the third partition?
[10:25] <stdin> ForgeAus: yes, that's the third partition
[10:25] <genii> jarn It decides which plug and play devices should get which interrupts and which other devices may need fixed interrupts and things of this sort
[10:25] <Linux_Galore> manchicken: seems to me if you do the dapper-edgy update because there is a mesa breakage it doesnt install a few things, then later if you try and add qt3-mt-dev stuff it then complain about mesa, then you try install the mesa stuff and then it complains the mesa packages have a version problem
[10:25] <jarn> genii: What are interrupts?
[10:26] <manchicken> Linux_Galore: I've seen a lot of people who had a hard time going from dapper to edgy.
[10:26] <genii> jarn The noapic switch is usually more useful with motherboards using VIA chipsets with strange interrupt controller chips
[10:26] <ForgeAus> then why's it say no such partition?
[10:26] <manchicken> Linux_Galore: You may want to check back here in a few hours when more of the support folks are on.
[10:26] <jarn> genii: Will it harm anything by having it on?
[10:26] <Linux_Galore> manchicken: yeah, but the packages are literally the wrong version lol, apt is 100% right
[10:26] <genii> jarn Nope
[10:26] <jarn> genii: Is nolapic related?
[10:26] <Linux_Galore> manchicken: looks to me the edgy install has a few "force" options
[10:27] <genii> jarn Now you're getting the idea :)
[10:27] <nagyv> how can I found which sound system is used by kubuntu?
[10:27] <manchicken> Linux_Galore: Yeah.  The upgrade may have held something back, or one of the packages may have not been put where it needs to go.
[10:27] <jarn> genii: Heh. ;)
[10:27] <manchicken> Linux_Galore: It wouldn't surprise me if there were some repo issues that are causing this.
[10:27] <manchicken> I'm going to bed.
[10:27] <Linux_Galore> manchicken: even so, the mesa versions on the packages dont actually match anyway
[10:28] <manchicken> It's 0327, and I haven't slept yet.
[10:28] <manchicken> Linux_Galore: I'm not arguing that.  I'm just saying that the repos may have an issue.
[10:28] <ForgeAus> I don't get it this should be right now
[10:28] <manchicken> Linux_Galore: The more in-the-know folks may know.
[10:28] <Linux_Galore> manchicken: well my only choice is to manuall force the packages to install
[10:28] <Linux_Galore> manually*
[10:29] <ForgeAus> maybe I should reinstall?
[10:29] <root____> exit
[10:29] <Linux_Galore> stuff that
[10:29] <manchicken> Linux_Galore: Not true.  You could try to troll the repos and find the correct version and manually install it to satisfy dependencies.
[10:29] <Linux_Galore> manchicken: yes, but it doesnt exist
[10:29] <Linux_Galore> manchicken: it never has, thats the problem
[10:29] <manchicken> Linux_Galore: That I find a little harder to believe.
[10:30] <Linux_Galore> manchicken: and the "correct matching lib" isnt there either
[10:30] <manchicken> It may not be in the dapper repos, but I'm pretty sure the proper version of mesa to work with qt3-mt-dev is SOMEWHERE.
[10:30] <genii> The mesa gl package has been screwy for a while now that I've noticed
[10:30] <Linux_Galore> manchicken: nope, basically i have to uninstall over 250 packages then cross my fingers that it gets it right
[10:31] <manchicken> Either way, I must sleep.  Good luck with that.
[10:31] <Linux_Galore> manchicken|away: but that aside the package version themselves dont match up
[10:32] <premier_> genii: how do I use the dd command?
[10:32] <genii> Linux_Galore what version is the qt3-mt-dev asking for?
[10:32] <premier_> genii: is it possible to only back up one partition?
[10:34] <genii> premier_ If you are going to be using it to backup the entire drive you may want to boot a livecd to run it. If only 1 partition then you can do it from the same drive, so long as the destination drive is not mounted under the partition you are trying to copy
[10:34] <premier_> okay, I can do that.  Whats the command line to do it?  the man page isnt very clear
[10:34] <genii> premier_ Yes, you can use it on the entire drive or only a single partition, as you like
[10:34] <ForgeAus> stdin I'm reinstalling
[10:34] <Linux_Galore> well basically if I try and install libqt3-mt-dev is complains about  libgl1-mesa-dev  not being there, I go and try get the mesa dev stuff installed then then it complains about it breaking the install because there is a version problem
[10:35] <ForgeAus> I'll make sure it has the right partition for grub this time
[10:36] <Linux_Galore> hold on let me swap machines so I can post what apt is spitting out
[10:36] <genii> premier if for instance the /mnt dir is not in the partition you are trying to copy and the external drive is mounted there as for instance /mnt/external   and the partition you wish to backup is say hda3 then the dd command would be like:   sudo dd if=/dev/hda3 of=/mnt/external/mybackup1.img
[10:37] <genii> premier_ That will put a file mybackup1.img on the external drive of the entire hda3 partition
[10:37] <Linux_Galore> libgl1-mesa-dev: Depends: mesa-common-dev (= 6.5.1~20060817-0ubuntu3) but 6.5.1+cvs20060824 is to be installed E: Broken packages
[10:37] <Linux_Galore> now the version problem sticks out like a sore thumb
[10:38] <genii> Linux_Galore perhaps you need some repos from dev section?
[10:38] <Linux_Galore> 6.5.1~20060817  is on the repo but the installed base mesa stuff is marked 6.5.1+cvs20060824
[10:39] <genii> Ah yes it sees the cvs version as inferior LOL
[10:39] <mena> How To Install File WIth The Exyention Bin
[10:40] <mena> ??
[10:40] <premier_> okay, sudo dd if=/dev/sda2 of=/mnt/sdb1/windowsbackup.img
[10:41] <Linux_Galore> genii: got the info for the dev repo's
[10:41] <genii> premier_ That looks good
[10:42] <mena> No Problem I solved It
[10:42] <Linux_Galore> hmm
[10:43] <genii> premier_ Before you resize everything make sure you know the exact start and end of each partition so if neccesary you can make an exact sized one to copy the image back to in case
[10:43] <premier_> how should I do that, exactly?
[10:44] <genii> premier_ For that I normally go into the fdisk program, do a "p" then copy the info down
[10:44] <genii> premier_ like:   fdisk /dev/hda will tell you all the start and stop points when you do "p"
[10:45] <genii> premier_ Then you just "q" to quit without writing any changes
[10:45] <premier_> it keeps saying, unable to open /dev/sda
[10:46] <genii> premier_ Well if you are doing a dd or so, it may be in use
[10:46] <premier_> no
[10:46] <mena> How To Unistall Realplayer.bin
[10:46] <genii> premier_ you may need to sudo but it should be finding it
[10:47] <premier_> genii: that didnt help
[10:47] <premier_> also, I tried dd, and it said: dd: opening `/mnt/sdb1/windowsbackup1.img': No such file or directory
[10:47] <genii> premier_ Usually you can do the entire drive but you may have to resort to specific partition numbers eg:  fdisk /dev/sda3   or whatever
[10:48] <genii> premier_ Do you have a directory under /mnt directory called sdb1 and is the external drive mounted at that directory?
[10:49] <genii> premier_ I gave /mnt earlier as an example but your drive may be automounting under some dir like /media/sdb2 or so
[10:50] <premier_> well, the drive is /media/usbdisk, and its mounted from /dev/sda1
[10:50] <premier_> btw, can I give these disks perminate names?  Something more memorable that "usbdisk"
[10:51] <genii> premier_ OK so use then /media/usbdisk  instead of /mnt/sdb2
[10:51] <unix_infidel> genii: you ever get that NAS setup?
[10:52] <genii> premier_ Well, I like to make aliases in the /mnt dir to point to those nondescriptive names so I get something like /mnt/external1  that just points to say /media/usbdisk
[10:52] <premier_> genii: it doesnt give me any progress info...  :(
[10:52] <genii> unix_infidel Yes, I got it going :)
[10:53] <genii> premier_ Yeah the dd command doesn't outpout much to let you know what it is up to :(
[10:54] <genii> premier_ There is some switch to put in a progress indicator but it just scrolls the screen and is not very informative either
[10:55] <mena> Is AutoMatrix Is bad
[10:55] <mena> Some
[10:56] <mena> Sorry
[10:56] <genii> unix_infidel For info:I set up a dedicated box using FreeNAS and wired it to a wap then the wireless clients connect by nfs currently. I may try the iSCSI setup later if I feel brave :)
[10:56] <mena> !bin
[10:56] <ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[10:56] <mena> !bin file
[10:57] <unix_infidel> genii: ahh, so you went with a dedicated server.
[10:57] <genii> mena This bin file you are trying to use or run... is it supposed to be some setup file or something?
[10:58] <mena> genii, i install the file but now i want to remove it how
[10:58] <mena> genii, do you now
[10:58] <genii> unix_infidel Yeah... works great, I recommend the FreeNAS embedded distro if you need a similar solution
[10:58] <mena> Know*
[10:58] <unix_infidel> genii: nah, nfs is easy enough to setup on its own.
[10:58] <unix_infidel> i might try out iscsi it sounds reallybadass.
[10:59] <genii> mena Can't you just delete the bin file?
[11:00] <genii> unix_infidel I'm not sure if iSCSI supports multiple connections, nut if so it would be awesome
[11:00] <mena> no no i install it and it extarct some files if i delet them that would be right?
[11:01] <genii> mena It is not easy to decide without knowing what it installed or created
[11:02] <mena> genii. its real player 105gold
[11:02] <genii> mena It should be OK to delete the files that it made then
[11:03] <mena> genii, okat thanks very much
[11:03] <mena> okay
[11:03] <unix_infidel> genii: what do you mean multiple connections.
[11:03] <unix_infidel> you mean it doesnt do concurrency control?
[11:04] <genii> unix_infidel Well, as I currently understand it, the server behaves as if it is an external drive. So I'm not entirely sure if you can have multiple clients on it. The uses I've seen are involving mounting it singly on a server for instance then sharing it from there to clients
[11:05] <unix_infidel> genii: right, that makes sense from a commercial point of view.
[11:06] <unix_infidel> you want a server to mediate access and then a server to handle the data.
[11:06] <unix_infidel> so you connect to the attached server not the attached storage device.
[11:06] <genii> unix_infidel I haven't scoured the documentation enough to know if it natively can support multiple connections. If so that could be interesting
[11:06] <unix_infidel> i dont house enough data at home to consider it.
[11:07] <genii> unix_infidel Yeah thats the normal use they are putting it to currently with windoze 200X series servers, then sharing it to the workgroup etc etc
[11:08] <unix_infidel> genii: yea, its definately a SBS solution.  It doesnt make sense if your a huge company that can invest in SAN.
[11:08] <genii> unix_infidel There is an intriguing networked fs I saw recently
[11:08] <unix_infidel> hm?
[11:09] <genii> unix_infidel Trying to find a url for you :)
[11:09] <unix_infidel> genii: btw, you installed freenas on a dedicated x86 box
[11:09] <unix_infidel> ?
[11:10] <genii> Well an old PPC actually
[11:10] <unix_infidel> ahhh
[11:14] <genii> unix_infidel http://danga.com/mogilefs/
[11:17] <genii> unix_infidel There is also another promising looking distributed fs at http://www.cleversafe.org/dsgfs
[11:20] <nickenyfiken> Hi!
[11:20] <genii> OK I'll return in a few minutes need to reboot
[11:20] <nickenyfiken> can anyone tell me what's wrong with this code? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2253/
[11:22] <genii_two> <-- genii but another box
[11:23] <Karol84PL> Hello
[11:24] <thomas_> hi
[11:25] <Karol84PL> I've got a problem with adding a public key: http://wklej.org/id/94f3aa2fce   Does anyone know what's the clue?
[11:25] <Tarmalik> o_O
[11:26] <Tarmalik> user : admin ..
[11:26] <Tarmalik> password ? ^^ euh
[11:29] <esc_ape> sleep
[11:33] <stingo> hi
[11:35] <Goliath23> how do I deinstall a package (k3d) where the --configure run from dpkg fails?
[11:35] <Goliath23> the pre-removal script returns an error and this prevents k3d from beeing removed :/
[11:36] <Phlosten> Goliath23: you can fix it so it installs
[11:42] <hanso>  hey. I just compiled a alsa and realtek drivers. but MIDI will not play. I get an error saying /dev/sequenser doesn't exist. what to do?
[11:43] <Ayabara> any rtorrent users here? I have a problem using rtorrent with fat32..
[11:43] <genii> Ayabara If the file is larger than 4Gb use a different fs
[11:44] <Ayabara> genii, it's not larger actually. I use fat32 in a dual boot system, but maybe I should just go ahead and change to ext3 anyway..
[11:47] <genii> Ayabara There can also be codepage or iso issues when mounting fat32 partitions if it doesn't use utf8
[11:49] <Ayabara> genii, ok. I'll go for ext3 anyway. I have unmounted /dev/sda8 (my fat32). can you help me with the command to format it as ext3? do I manually edit /etc/fstab afterwards?
[11:49] <mhb> hi everyone
[11:50] <mhb> I need to configure the wireless network for my girlfriend ... I need a graphical tool for detecting&setting up connections to different wifi networks ... which one should I use?
[11:50] <genii> Ayabara To format it as ext3 just do:  sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda8  then you can remount it after
[11:52] <genii> Ayabara If the fstab entry is not set to autofs  you will need to change the fs type to ext3 in there of course
[11:52] <Ayabara> genii, thanks. my /home is mounted with "ext3 defaults 0 2". is this ok for my new partition as well?
[11:52] <genii> Ayabara Instead of 0 2  it is better to have 1 1
[11:54] <Ayabara> genii, ok. what does <dump> and <pass> mean? if it's complicated I'll read up on it myself :-)
[11:54] <carl> hi all
[11:55] <carl> I have a weird problem with my Geforce Ti4400 and linux
[11:55] <genii> Ayabara Basically how hard to enforce mounting when drive is dirty and so on.
[11:55] <carl> when I start the computer, X crashes right before the splash screen should appear
[11:56] <Ayabara> genii, ok. I'll trust you on the 1 1 :)
[11:56] <carl> the xorg.log tells me:
[11:56] <derren_> yay!
[11:56] <derren_> i give much love to you all
[11:56] <carl> (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module! Please ensure
[11:56] <carl> (EE) NVIDIA(0):     that there is a supported NVIDIA GPU in this system, and
[11:56] <carl> (EE) NVIDIA(0):     that the NVIDIA device files have been created properly.
[11:56] <carl> and also
[11:56] <carl> (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
[11:56] <carl> Fatal server error:
[11:56] <carl> no screens found
[11:57] <carl> any ideas what causes this?
[11:57] <genii> !pastebin | carl
[11:57] <ubotwo> carl: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:57] <carl> I'm done pasting ;)
[11:58] <genii> carl Well, briefly it looks like either: Your video card doesn't have a graphical processing unit that the driver recognises or: The nvidia driver is not properly installed.  My bet is the second one
[12:00] <genii> carl Did you follow the standard binary driver install?
[12:00] <carl> well yes, but the weird thing is that when I reinstall the driver (after booting and X crashes), and then startx, everything works fine
[12:01] <carl> genii, yes, I installed the one I get from nvidia.com..
[12:01] <Ayabara> anyone rtorrent users here?
[12:01] <genii> So it works every second boot or something like that??
[12:02] <carl> no
[12:03] <carl> it never works if I i.e. restart the computer
[12:03] <carl> but after x crashes I'm in console
[12:03] <carl> and from there I reinstall the driver and startx
[12:03] <carl> run startx*
[12:04] <carl> the driver doesn't give me any kind of error output during installation
[12:04] <genii> carl Are you doing the sudo dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg      after changing the driver?
[12:05] <Ayabara> genii, rtorrent worked like a charm after I got rid of the st00pid fat32 partition. thanks for helping out
[12:05] <carl> genii, no
[12:05] <carl> but the nvidia installer reconfigures xorg by itself
[12:05] <genii> Ayabara Anytime :)
[12:06] <mena> Freinds Friends
[12:07] <macvek> As far as i understand genii is installing drivers from file such as NVIDIA*.run, i have the same situation, and after compiling the driver you have to check if in xorg.conf X uses nvidia drivers, not nv
[12:07] <mena> Why My partition Didnt Appear As i renamed them by the tune2fs
[12:07] <genii> carl I was having similar issues with an ATI card but I had to eventually revert to the vesa driver in the end. With the nvidia cards you'd have to find someone around here with a similar setup to help, I suspect
[12:07] <carl> ok
[12:07] <carl> I'll try your tip though
[12:08] <carl> maybe it'll work
[12:08] <carl> I'll be back to tell you how it works out :)
[12:08] <genii> carl Good luck :)
[12:08] <mena> genii, Are You Busy
[12:08] <genii> mena Not too much. You tried to rename your partitions?
[12:09] <mena> genii, yes and i did but in the storeage media browser they appear such as hda5
[12:09] <genii> mena Yes, they will always appear with those names because those are the names of the devices
[12:10] <mena> genii, so they will not appear as i would them
[12:10] <genii> mena Is this some kind of removable hard drive or storage?
[12:11] <mena> storage
[12:11] <mena> My hard disk
[12:12] <genii> mena OK, so it is not some USB hard drive then for instance
[12:12] <mena> yes its not usb
[12:13] <carl> hm
[12:13] <carl> that was a no-go
[12:13] <carl> the command reconfigure doesn't exist
[12:13] <carl> I didn't find anything like it, either
[12:13] <carl> only configure
[12:13] <genii> mena The parts of your hard drive are mounted to different directories on your filesystem. So for instance some directory like /media/cdrom0  would use the device of /dev/hdc or something similar like that.
[12:14] <genii> carl Hangon I'll try to find the right syntax for ya
[12:14] <carl> ok, thanks :)
[12:15] <mena> genii, okay see carl first then complelte with me
[12:15] <genii> mena OK
[12:15] <mena> ok
[12:15] <electuZ> hi all
[12:15] <macvek> carl, just to be sure, you have some nvidia card, and install the drivers from nvidia, which are in file NVIDIA<version>.run, am i right ?
[12:15] <carl> yep
[12:16] <genii> carl sorry proper command is:   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:16] <carl> aha ;)
[12:17] <macvek> carl, do you use ubuntu kernel, or one which you have compiled on your own ?
[12:17] <derren_> i love you
[12:18] <genii> mena So if you want to put some names that are understandable for the names like hda1 and so on, you cannot change the names of the devices for instance. What is a common thing to do is instead make a directory in a place like /mnt with the name you like to use and make it just point to the real mount place or name
[12:18] <macvek> because, when i was instaling this drivers, i had to recompile kernel, because drivers needed some files from kernel source, to create nvidia.ko module
[12:19] <mena> genii, okay how to make it
[12:20] <mena> how to make it point to the rel mount
[12:20] <macvek> and then after installation, i only had to change i xorg.conf drivers to nvidia, from nv and it worked, with full opengl suport
[12:20] <mena> genii, by make a link to the partition as example
[12:20] <genii> mena OK, first to decide what names you like for what devices. So maybe hda4 is where you put mp3 files for instance. So the place it is mounted is somewhere like maybe  /media//hda4
[12:21] <mena> genii. yes i know that okay then
[12:22] <carl> hmm, this was a looong setup x)
[12:22] <carl> but shouldn't I disable dri?
[12:22] <adaptr> yes
[12:22] <genii> mena So in konsole you do like: sudo ln -s /media/hda1 /mnt/mp3
[12:23] <mena> okay
[12:23] <genii> mena Then going to /mnt/mp3 is the same as going to the non-descriptive name like hda1
[12:23] <mena> ohh cool
[12:23] <mena> Great
[12:23] <mena> okay
[12:23] <mena> i will try now
[12:24] <genii> carl About dri and nvidia I dunno :(
[12:24] <macvek> carl, in my xorg.conf , whole dri section in commented + GLCore module include
[12:24] <mena> genii, i do it and its tell me that ]     ln: creating symbolic link `/mena/Work' to `/media/hda5': No such file or direct                                                              ory
[12:24] <himura> hello
[12:25] <carl> ok
[12:25] <genii> mena Is there a directory called mena?
[12:25] <carl> well I'm done now
[12:25] <carl> time to reboot and see how it works out :)
[12:25] <macvek> carl, first thing to check is if you have in /lib/modules/YOURKERNELVERSION/kernel/drivers/ file nvidia.ko (if you're useing 2.6 kernel)
[12:25] <mena> genii , no
[12:25] <macvek> */drivers/video
[12:26] <mena> genii, but i just wont to change it from ,nt
[12:26] <mena> m
[12:26] <genii> mena The ln command will make the last name but not the directory it goes into for example. So you need to make a directory called mena to put the link in, or put the link into a directory that exists already and is easy to find like /mnt or maybe somewhere in your home directory
[12:28] <mena> genni , okay i will see and try again and i will tell you
[12:28] <genii> mena So to put a link in your home directory for example if the username you log in with is mena:   sudo ln -s /media/hda5 /home/mena/somedescriptivenamehere
[12:29] <carl> :(
[12:29] <macvek> :P
[12:29] <carl> didn't help..
[12:29] <genii> carl Yeah no joy I see
[12:29] <macvek> check if you have /lib/modules/yourkernelversion/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko
[12:29] <mena> genii, Done great Thank God And You Great
[12:30] <mena> genii. worked
[12:30] <genii> mena Well, thsat is too high praise for me but you are welcome
[12:30] <mena> genii, How to Remove If i would like to
[12:30] <mena> genii, You Are Welcome Too
[12:30] <genii> mena To remove the link just delete it normally from the file explorer to the trashcan
[12:31] <carl> macvek: actually I don't
[12:31] <carl> there's a folder called nvidia
[12:31] <carl> but it's empty
[12:31] <mena> genii, okay thanks again
[12:31] <genii> mena :)
[12:31] <macvek> carl: it means that you don't have a driver installed
[12:32] <carl> macvek: can't be, I just installed it ;)
[12:32] <mena> genii, ^_^ :-)
[12:32] <carl> and 3d-tests work like they should
[12:32] <macvek> hmm :P
[12:32] <macvek> but it works fast ?
[12:32] <carl> ah, nevermind
[12:32] <carl> it's there
[12:33] <carl> I wonder why konsole didn't display it o0
[12:33] <carl> anyway, I can find it with konqueror
[12:34] <macvek> now you're using nv or nvidia driver ?
[12:34] <genii> carl if you used the locate command from inside console you need to do the updatedb command first so it has a current list of files
[12:34] <carl> nvidia
[12:34] <macvek> so do you still have any problem with graphics ?
[12:34] <macvek> :P
[12:34] <carl> genii, no it's just me not being 100% up and going since last night :] 
[12:35] <genii> carl Well, also if you manually install something the file databse doesn't get auto-updated
[12:35] <carl> macvek: never had a problem with graphics as such, only that X crashes on boot
[12:35] <macvek> hmm
[12:36] <carl> I can give you the entire xorg.log if you want
[12:36] <carl> in that pastebin
[12:36] <macvek> k
[12:36] <carl> what eas the address there again
[12:36] <carl> ?
[12:36] <carl> was*
[12:36] <carl> (geez, my fingers does NOT compute today :s)
[12:37] <genii> carl It may be an acpi issue. Is it set to something like acpi=off when the machine boots?
[12:37] <carl> hmm
[12:37] <macvek> carl /var/log/Xorg.0.log, send me last 10 lines
[12:38] <manfred> Riddell: or someone similarily cometent. What does that error "Cannot change permissions for <filename> when writing to certain mounted samba shares mean
[12:38] <manfred> And how can I get rid of it?
[12:38] <carl> genii, well ACPI has a lot of output when I do dmesg
[12:38] <carl> !pastebin
[12:39] <carl> or smth
[12:39] <macvek> wait
[12:39] <macvek> carl, but after logging from console
[12:39] <macvek> and typing startx
[12:39] <macvek> does kde starts ?
[12:39] <manfred> When I do the same operation from the shell, nothing complains at all
[12:40] <macvek> or do you have to recompile drivers every time ?
[12:41] <carl> macvek: do you mean if I end this x session and type startx from console again?
[12:41] <carl> the only problem I have is when either rebooting, or turning off and on the computer
[12:41] <genii> carl If you don't use the power saving stuff maybe think about checking the default kernel line in /etc/grub/menu.lst  and putting in the option  acpi=off
[12:42] <carl> genii, k?
[12:42] <carl> could it help?
[12:43] <genii> manfred The easy but insecure option is to just set permissions on the shared directory to be read and write for all
[12:43] <genii> carl Well, if it works we know right away what the issue is
[12:43] <dennister> hi genii :)
[12:43] <manfred> genii: No, it is not. I tried it :-)
[12:43] <genii> dennister Hiya :)
[12:44] <carl> macvek?
[12:44] <carl> accept?
[12:44] <manfred> genii: My own shares that are owner and group ME work just fine
[12:44] <dennister> gm! ur at home i take it, not at the office
[12:44] <mena> genii, i have file with extention debian do you why i cant install it on kubuntu
[12:45] <manfred> genii: But I also got a share _images_ that everybody needs to be able to access and it's got force group images
[12:45] <manfred> genii: And only that one complains
[12:45] <macvek> carl: there is still one thing i dont understand, when your X11 doesn't start, after reboot ? or waht is exact problem :P im lost
[12:45] <genii> manfred Also there is a global setting in smb.conf lyou could put to just allow anyone to read or write ... you would have to check the right command by examing   man smb.conf       but i think it may be something like guest_ok = yes   or similar to that.
[12:45] <filthpig> macvek: yes, after reboot
[12:46] <filthpig> macvek: should I post the last ten lines to you in a private msg?
[12:46] <mena> genii, dont answer me now i know you are busy
[12:46] <macvek> ok
[12:47] <genii> manfred Well, if you are logging in as different users and writing to the same directories etc then depending on what their relative permissions are on the server, you may not be able to alter a file that a user with higher permissions has created
[12:47] <manfred> genii: It used to work. The only thing that changed when that error first appeared was the kde release
[12:47] <dennister> genii: I see ur very busy helping a lot of ppl with your vaunted expertise; just don't sign out until we chat, sil vu plait
[12:47] <genii> dennister np
[12:47] <macvek> filthpig: so the problem is with drivers.. bb in a minute
[12:48] <Pekke> hello. i'm having again that problem: my cdrom is not working
[12:48] <Pekke> i tried sudo mount /dev/hdb /media/cdrom, but it won't help.
[12:48] <manfred> genii: But I can copy that file to the share. And the file got the right user and group and permissions
[12:49] <manfred> genii: Only konqueror complains. The shell does not.
[12:49] <genii> manfred Hmm, well it is beyond what I have a quick fix for then right now
[12:49] <manfred> genii: Even with smb://share it works just fine but unfortunately all those apps don't want smb://
[12:50] <filthpig> genii, hmmmmm, I can't find /etc/grub o0
[12:51] <macvek> filthpig: /boot/grub/menu.lst here is config
[12:51] <filthpig> aha
[12:51] <filthpig> thanks
[12:52] <genii> Yeah sorry, /boot  not /etc ... I get confoozed occasionally
[12:52] <netstar> the variable is SCREEN_FONT
[12:52] <netstar> what screen font does /etc/console-tools/config use in edgy? The variable is SCREEN_FONT
[12:54] <filthpig> I don't find anything mentioning ACPI in there, though
[12:55] <filthpig> is there any place in particular I should put it?
[12:55] <filthpig> the acpi=off, that is
[12:56] <genii> Well there should be other options listed somewhere there, anyplace in that section should be fine
[12:58] <filthpig> hmmmm, so I should put it in the Debian Automagic Kernels List?
[12:59] <filthpig> sorry I'm acting really dumb
[12:59] <genii> filthpig I usually would put it just after where it says "splash" for instance
[12:59] <filthpig> I just don't want to mess anything up
[12:59] <spawn57> hey guys,  I got a problem with my kubuntu installation, i can't log in to kde as a normal user
[01:00] <macvek> got to go, cya
[01:00] <abstruck> hi, anyone using aiglx + kde?
[01:00] <genii> filthpig Well you should have some entry that loads your default ubuntu distro...  there is a line there with first word kernel  then the name of the kernel image to use and so on. There are usually options after it one being the word "splash"
[01:02] <filthpig> title		Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.17-10-generic
[01:02] <filthpig> root		(hd1,0)
[01:02] <filthpig> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/hdb1 ro quiet splash
[01:02] <filthpig> this?
[01:03] <filthpig> there are two places where it says splash
[01:05] <filthpig> shit, I should be off
[01:05] <spawn57> to a ministry concert?
[01:05] <genii> filthpig Yeah thats the line. There are two like that because one is the safe kernel to use
[01:05] <filthpig> spawn57: I wish :D
[01:06] <filthpig> no, gonna go get my new fridge, haha
[01:06] <spawn57> hehe
[01:06] <bubu1uk> :)
[01:06] <filthpig> was at a really cool concert last night, though
[01:06] <filthpig> anyway, I'll try the acpi=off, then
[01:07] <filthpig> If I'm not back within ten minutes, I've probably started slamming my head on the table
[01:08] <spawn57> hehe
[01:08] <spawn57> g'luck
[01:08] <filthpig> hehe
[01:09] <filthpig> sigh
[01:09] <filthpig> maybe I should try being root before editing.. :P
[01:10] <filthpig> there we go
[01:14] <filthpig> well
[01:15] <filthpig> what do YOU think happened? ;)
[01:15] <filthpig> since I actually should be slamming my head on the table
[01:15] <genii> Well it was sooner than 10 minutes so possibly didn't crash X?
[01:15] <genii> hmm
[01:16] <filthpig> or the nvidia installer don't take so much time as I assumed :p
[01:16] <Pekke> can enybody advice me how to get my cdrom to work? dmesg shows that hdb is my cdrom, but i can't play anything from it or browse anything.
[01:16] <genii> filthpig Well I'm out of ideas on this for now
[01:17] <filthpig> yep...
[01:17] <filthpig> it's really odd
[01:17] <genii> Pekke is there some line in the file /etc/fstab   which has the directory /media/cdrom0 ?
[01:17] <filthpig> anyway, thanks for the effort genii
[01:18] <filthpig> hm
[01:18] <filthpig> there's one weird thing I want to try, though
[01:18] <filthpig> turning off the computer, unplugging the power cord, let it stand there for a while, and then starting up again
[01:19] <filthpig> hehe
[01:19] <genii> filthpig Interesting tactic LOL
[01:19] <filthpig> that's what I did when I went away for the christmas period
[01:19] <filthpig> and when I came back, it actually worked
[01:20] <Pekke> genii: yes, /dev/hdb mount point is /media/cdrom0
[01:20] <genii> Hmm sounds like draining the cmos battery might have set it to some kind of safe defaults then
[01:20] <filthpig> (until I managed to mess everything up and had to reinstall kubuntu...which put me back to doing this stupid thing of installing the driver for each reboot
[01:20] <Pekke> so what does that mean?
[01:21] <filthpig> genii, not very handy if I have to wait for weeks for it to happen though :D
[01:21] <genii> Pekke Well, try putting in a cdrom then in konsole try:  mount /media/cdrom0         then see if you can use Konqueror or Nautilus or what you have to ssee if you can see the contents by navigating to /media/cdrom0
[01:23] <Pekke> genii: it says: mount: no medium found.
[01:23] <genii> filthpig Well, you could just try going to bios and do something like "set to factory" or "set to deafault" and just make sure clock is right
[01:23] <Ayabara> I need to manually apply a patch for my laptop. can someone take a look at the page and help me with what to do? I seem to remember I once had a oneliner that did the trick...
[01:23] <genii> Pekke Well, do you have a cd with some data on it in the drive?
[01:23] <Pekke> yea
[01:24] <filthpig> well
[01:24] <genii> Pekke The cd could be bad. Try a cd you know for sure has something on it like some old driver cd or something and then try again
[01:24] <filthpig> I'll try powering off, unplugging power cable and then get on with my other stuff
[01:25] <filthpig> and when I get back I'll see if it works ^^
[01:25] <Pekke> i've tried with audio cd and with 2 data cd's
[01:27] <genii> Pekke Well, conceivably the laser in the cd drive could have gone kaput. You should try testing the drive in another computer, or put a known good cd drive in the box you using to test
[01:28] <Pekke> i had this same problem yesterday, but then it started working after all kinds of commands. this morning it again stopped working... =(
[01:29] <extern> when my cdrom drive was broking down, it sometimes worked, sometimes not :P
[01:29] <extern> the problem was with the spiner motor on my cdrom drive
[01:30] <genii> Pekke If the drive is going bad, that is a symptom
[01:30] <extern> and it sometimes worked when I spinned it just before inserting the cd :)
[01:30] <extern> until some smoke came out of the drive :d
[01:30] <genii> eg: sporadic operation ...working one day not the next etc etc
[01:32] <jman922> word!
[01:32] <genii> Pekke Well, cd drives these days are pretty cheap. So it's not like replacing a burned out cpu or something ultra-expesive. but it's certainly aggravating
[01:34] <genii> Pekke As a sidenaote, cd drives which are horrible in general and to steer away from would be Mitsumi and some Acer drives aren't that good either. Something like a panasonic or LG or anything like that gets quite a long life tho
[01:37] <Pekke> well, it's a matsushita cd/dvdrom in a laptop...
[01:37] <spawn57> do external cd-roms work well with linux?
[01:38] <genii> spawn57 If you get a decent name-brand external enclosure, they work fine :)
[01:38] <extern> I had 2 samsung drives, and they broke down both at almost same time, after around 3 or 4 years
[01:38] <Pekke> but the cdrom is working fine, i tested it in my windows laptop. when i write sudo mount /dev/hdb /media/cdrom it says: you must specify the filesystem type
[01:38] <spawn57> genii: i see
[01:38] <genii> extern Yeah I *hate* samsung and maxtor for hd
[01:39] <extern> I was talking about cdrom drives :)
[01:39] <extern> I have one very old maxtor hdd, but it still seems to be working fine
[01:40] <genii> pekke if it needs a fs type put for mount command:         sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdb /media/cdrom0
[01:40] <Pekke> genii: it says no medium found
[01:42] <genii> Pekke Well, so then it goes back to either: CD you are trying to read is no good or possibly udf filesystem if it's a dvd   or drive is shot
[01:42] <Pekke> hmm.. weird...
[01:44] <genii> Pekke If you have a dvd in there or maybe the cd was writted using udf then try   -t udf    instead of iso9660
[01:45] <Pekke> roger
[01:46] <Pekke> doesn't seem to work...
[01:46] <Pekke> is there any other way to install xubuntu than from a cd?
[01:47] <genii> Pekke if it works sometimes and not others it's got to be some hardware thing like overheating or bad cd or something like that
[01:47] <Pekke> ok
[01:48] <Pekke> i was going to change for xubuntu, because kubuntu is too heavy for my laptop, but i guess not, because the cdrom ain't working...
[01:50] <Pekke> well, it's not the overheating, laptop is chill.
[01:55] <cstrippie> can't you just apt-get install xubuntu-desktop?
[01:55] <cstrippie> I did KDE that way once.
[01:55] <Pekke> i'm a n00bie =) but i may try. =)
[01:56] <Pekke> i'm no good with terminal and stuff
[01:56] <genii> You can do it for kubuntu but not sure about xfce version. Quite possibly it works
[01:56] <cstrippie> Or just search for xubuntu in synaptic
[01:56] <cstrippie> I ran xubuntu in a VM for a while - fast, light, very usable.
[01:56] <Pekke> does it change the whole desktop thing to xcfe version?
[01:57] <genii> Yeah I just did apt-cache search xubuntu     you can install it by package
[01:57] <cstrippie> Pekke - it gives you both options at startup
[01:58] <genii> Pekke Since you already have a prior window manager you could select KDE or xfce from the login manager. You can already do that to switch from kde to gnome if you have bothe installed
[02:00] <Pekke> i have only kde installed
[02:00] <Pekke> in system settings/disk&filesystems it says that optical disk.... disabled!
[02:00] <Pekke> when i try to modify, i can't find enable from anywhere
[02:01] <cstrippie> Damn!  154 updates on a 384k connect
[02:01] <Pekke> oh, when i try to enable: an error occured while enabling---
[02:05] <genii> Pekke Any enlightening messages?
[02:05] <Pekke> return message 32
[02:06] <genii> unenlightening :(
[02:07] <Pekke> if i choose the xubuntu desktop with adept, it installs xubuntu, whick i can then choose in login?
[02:08] <genii> Yes just keep kdm for the login manager and it will let you decide at login which window manager you want
[02:10] <Pekke> ok. is ubuntu any better than kubuntu, my laptop is 800mhz, 256m, some ati rage 4m graph card
[02:11] <Pekke> i ment lighted
[02:11] <Pekke> *lighter
[02:11] <cstrippie> pekke - no
[02:11] <Theory> Pekke: you could take a look at xubuntu
[02:11] <Pekke> yes, that i will do...
[02:12] <cstrippie> I gotta second the xubuntu - I think you'll even like it.
[02:12] <cstrippie> In fact, if anything this kubuntu install appears to be using *more* memory than my (gnome) ubuntu.
[02:13] <cstrippie> It's far prettier than that damned orange/brown tho.
[02:13] <genii> Pekke Well the lightest ubuntu ditro to install would be xubuntu. Some ppl find it frustrating tho because it is not easy to do things that seem simple in other window managers like make desktop shortcuts and things of this nature. But this one takes the least resources to run. Then next resource-wise is the standard ubuntu with gnome for window manager. This is the one I like usually.Kubuntu dist is most resource hog but nice to use
[02:13] <Pekke> i have used xubuntu some time ago
[02:14] <Pekke> ok
[02:17] <Pekke> i used xubuntu like an year ago for a few times, but then i found it and kubuntu too hard to use, so i used windows for most of my time. but i'm tired of windows, i want to use linux in my older laptop... so i'll try to make that xubuntu work. can i safely remove kubuntu-dekstip with adept after i've installed xubuntu dekstio?
[02:18] <fdoving> Pekke: yes.
[02:18] <cstrippie> Xubuntu was a monster in VM, only puppy has been faster.
[02:19] <genii> Pekke Well if hard drive space is an issue you can remove it afterwards if you decide you like to use xubuntu exclusively
[02:20] <Pekke> well, xubuntu works faster from the live cd than the kubuntu i have installed now onto my computer =)
[02:21] <cstrippie> I have been running ubuntu feisty, but the network issue has me so irritated that I d/'d kubuntu feisty a couple of hours ago and loaded up.
[02:21] <cstrippie> First impressions are mostly positive.
[02:24] <spawn57> cstrippie: what version of redhat?
[02:25] <genii> IHeh I'm actually right now looking at my factory RH 5.2 disks LOL
[02:25] <spawn57> haha I started around 6.x I think
[02:26] <Theory> the first linux I tried was from corel :-)
[02:26] <fdoving> the one with the tetris during install? :)
[02:26] <spawn57> haha damn i remember reading about tha
[02:26] <fdoving> oh no, that was caldera.
[02:27] <genii> Theory CorelLinux is now Xandros
[02:27] <spawn57> caldera is SCO now haha
[02:27] <cstrippie> I remember CorelLinx - it sucked hard...
[02:28] <genii> Well, it came with a linux version of WordPerfect which was cool. But they never open-sourced it
[02:28] <raytray25> If I remove beagle, would it affect anything else?
[02:28] <cstrippie> you don't like beagle?
[02:29] <raytray25> cstrippie, it's helper takes up most of my CPU at the worst times.
[02:29] <brian_> Can anyone offer some advice on laptop partitioning?
[02:29] <adaptr> raytray25: you can also just stop it and disable it at startup
[02:29] <adaptr> brian_: what kind of advice ?
[02:29] <cstrippie> brian - depends on what you have in mind.
[02:30] <raytray25> Oh, I'll do that instead I guess.
[02:30] <brian_> I have a new Compaq with 100 GB drive and qtparted won't partition it and neither will my old version of partition magic
[02:30] <adaptr> raytray25: beagle took 25% of my athlon 1700+ as well, so I suggest you get rid of it completely :)
[02:30] <raytray25> Heh
[02:30] <adaptr> brian_: then the drive is locked
[02:30] <adaptr> brian_: or it's a freaky connection - what kind of drive is it ?
[02:31] <brian_> sata - I wiped it completely but too many things still don't work well out of box - may need windows for a while
[02:31] <adaptr> you wha ? you wiped it ? and then what ?
[02:31] <brian_> the compaq reinstall is a ghost image so it puts all the partitions back to factory
[02:32] <adaptr> brian_: okay, why did you need to "wipe" them in the first place ?
[02:32] <cstrippie> I haven't noticed any issues thusfar, but that may be due to the dual-core in this box.
[02:32] <brian_> couldn't resize the windows partition
[02:32] <yotux> Newbie question:  which is better spanassassin or bogofilter?
[02:32] <adaptr> brian_: what was the layout ?
[02:32] <Theory> i find most indexers tend to be rather stressed by the complete kde source tree :-)
[02:33] <cstrippie> Removing it would suck, I miss spotlight.
[02:33] <brian_> right now it's about 90GB for windows and 10 GB holds a restore partition
[02:34] <unix_infidel> thinkpad?
[02:34] <adaptr> brian_: exact layout, in phisical and logical partitions
[02:34] <adaptr> brian_: if the restore partition is interfering with resizing then yeah - it sucks, get rid of it
[02:35] <unix_infidel> brian_: if this is a thinkpad, before you wipe the restore partitions create a recovery DVD or CDs of the recovery partition image.
[02:35] <brian_> adaptr - I tried that but the 10 GB it freed isn't quite enough for my kubuntu plans
[02:35] <adaptr> brian_: I totally don't believe that gparted wouldn't let you wipe the drive and partition it for ubuntu
[02:35] <unix_infidel> of course you can.
[02:35] <brian_> adaptr - I was able to wipe the drive, just can't resize the windows partition
[02:36] <adaptr> unix_infidel: it's not a stinkpad, it's a Pessarium
[02:36] <adaptr> brian_: after you have wiped the drive, there *is* no Widows partition
[02:36] <adaptr> erm.. heh
[02:36] <genii> yes, Widows is apt LOL
[02:36] <brian_> sorry for confusion - I had to reinstall windows from ghost image
[02:37] <adaptr> brian_: so - restore it into a smaller partition
[02:37] <adaptr> brian_: 90GB for Widows is ridiculous
[02:37] <brian_> adaptr - compaq reinstall disks are a ghost image
[02:37] <brian_> they put all partitions back to factory setup
[02:37] <brian_> and still can't resize
[02:38] <adaptr> brian_: doubt it - they are probably *an* image, but if it really is ghosted then you can most definitely change the restore size
[02:38] <brian_> adaptr - There didn't seem to be any options to do that during the reinstall
[02:39] <adaptr> brian_: please don't wibble about this - I have used every version of ghost there is, and they allow you to specific the destination partition size, as long as it fits the data to restore
[02:39] <adaptr> brian_: if it is a ghost image, run ghost!
[02:40] <cstrippie> Konqueror has come a long way.
[02:40] <adaptr> really ? so it's less sucky now ? :)
[02:41] <genii> Speaking of ghost isn't there now some linux version of that?
[02:42] <adaptr> I highly doubt it
[02:42] <adaptr> just use partimage
[02:42] <cstrippie> Yeah, I read about that recently
[02:43] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[02:43] <mhb> Hi... can someone help me with knetworkmanager? It only lists wired connections on Edgy, although my wireless card is visible for HAL
[02:43] <Pekke_> can i somehow force my computer to boot from the cdrom? like in qrub, if i goto command line or something?
[02:44] <cstrippie> Project page for "Ghost for Linux:" http://freshmeat.net/projects/g4l/
[02:44] <genii> Pekke Usually you can specify in the bios to boot cd first
[02:44] <BluesKaj> Pekke_,yes you can change the boot sequence in your BIOS
[02:45] <genii> Although if this is the problemmatic drive I don't hold out much hope there
[02:45] <BluesKaj> hey genii...cold there too ...-12C here
[02:45] <BluesKaj> ?
[02:45] <Pekke_> i already did that.... but does Kubuntus disability to use my cdrom make it impossible to boot from it?
[02:45] <Pekke_> no?
[02:45] <BluesKaj> uhhmm yeah, prolly :(
[02:46] <adaptr> Pekke_: kubuntu is perfectly able to boot form the CD, bt your BIOS may not be
[02:47] <Pekke_> adaptr: i know that both are, but i'm having trouble w/ my cdrom....
[02:47] <adaptr> Pekke_: then adjust your BIOS settings
[02:47] <k-osh> Seem to upload just fine. Noting coming down though. Even with seeders in the swarm.
[02:47] <genii> BluesKaj Hiya :) I dunno how cold here but the patio is definitely iced over and the cats don't want out for too longLOL
[02:47] <adaptr> k-osh: get a better client ? :L)
[02:48] <Pekke_> adaptr: i already set my bios to boot first from cdrom
[02:48] <k-osh> adaptr: ktorrent isn't that bad is it?
[02:48] <BluesKaj> right genii ...cats know :)
[02:48] <adaptr> Pekke_: and does it ?
[02:48] <adaptr> Pekke_: what scrolls by when you boot ?
[02:49] <adaptr> k-osh: no idea.. I've used utorrent like.. forever :)
[02:49] <Pekke_> not at the moment, but last time i got it to work was about 6 hours ago... and some hours ago my cdrom stopped working in kubuntu... (i got it working last night, but today it stopped again)
[02:50] <adaptr> Pekke_: then that is likely a hardware issue with the cdrom
[02:50] <Pekke_> well, it works in wondows cpu
[02:50] <k-osh> It's fscking annoying that it'd hang at 98% and not attttt 0%. If it had done that I would have started an ftp download long ago...
[02:50] <Pekke_> *windows
[02:50] <adaptr> Pekke_: which connector is it on, is it on its own ide interface, is it set as master or slave
[02:50] <Pekke_> it's a laptop cdrom
[02:50] <adaptr> Pekke_: definitely hardware, then
[02:50] <k-osh> It's just another 10 or so blocks that I need to get. Oh hell.
[02:51] <adaptr> k-osh: quit whining already
[02:51] <Pekke_> when i try to mount it, i get message no medium found
[02:51] <adaptr> nobody here can help you with that...
[02:51] <genii> adaptr Thats what I've been trying to convince him of earlier LOL
[02:51] <BluesKaj> how can the BIOS not be seen by kubuntu at bootup, when it isn't loaded yet ?
[02:51] <adaptr> BluesKaj: "BIUOS not be seen
[02:51] <adaptr> " is nonsense
[02:52] <adaptr> sorry
[02:52] <adaptr> Pekke_: when you try to mount it ? so you *can* run ubuntu ?
[02:53] <genii> BluesKaj Not sure what you mean by bios not being seen etc
[02:53] <k-osh> adaptr: I LIKE whining. Misery loves company, haven't you heard? And someone _might_ know something about torrents that I don't.
[02:53] <ForgeAus> hmmm
[02:53] <ForgeAus> still having no such partition come up
[02:53] <BluesKaj> look in the System Menu and check if the cdrom is listed
[02:54] <adaptr> k-osh: then ask pointed questions, and somebody might be able to help... but stop whining, or go to #ubuntu-whiners
[02:54] <Pekke_> well, kubuntu works, but not my cdrom when running kubuntu
[02:54] <ForgeAus> could it be because I have multiple primary partitions?...
[02:54] <BluesKaj> genii , I meant that kubuntu can't see the BIOS , there's no relationship
[02:54] <adaptr> BluesKaj: that is correct - there never is, so what's your question ?
[02:55] <genii> synopsis of Pekke's cdrom: hardware wise it recognises and sets up for hdb and mounts to /media/cdrom0 with proper fstab entry including ios9660 and udf. Always gives "no media found"
[02:55] <BluesKaj> there was no question , I was pointing it out to Pekke
[02:55] <adaptr> BluesKaj: it *sounded* an awful lot like a question.. it had a question mark and everything
[02:57] <BluesKaj> adaptr, well if it was a rhetorical question
[02:58] <BluesKaj> err it was
[02:58] <adaptr> sure... but nobody can see your rhetorical face here :)
[02:58] <k-osh> adaptr: There isn't a ubuntu-whiners channel. You trickster. I was alone in there. Noone to complain to. But since yoooou seem to know torrrrentssss, what could be the trouble with downllloads that stop just  before compppleting? (and I also hateee this keyboooard repeaat that keeps fffscking up my typing)
[02:58] <Pekke_> bluesKaj: in system settings it says about my optical drive: /dev/hdb, mount point /media/cdrom, DISABLED. when i try enable it, it gives me erroe about the missing medium.
[02:59] <darkserver3> hey,someone know where my beryl setting manager go???
[02:59] <adaptr> k-osh: the obvious problem would be that the client is not getting enough bandwidth - is it at exactly 0 bytes/sec, or just very low ?
[02:59] <ksoviet> hi
[03:00] <darkserver3> hi
[03:00] <BluesKaj> yeah it's disabled cuz you have no cd or dvd in it
[03:00] <k-osh> adaptr: 0 bytes/sec. But it has obviously worked since I have most part of the file.
[03:00] <Pekke_> yes i do, i've tried with 4 different discs
[03:00] <adaptr> k-osh: yes, but it's not working now - which some people might consider the defining characteristic of the issue
[03:01] <darkserver3> i need some help... my bsm it's lost
[03:01] <k-osh> adaptr: Could     i be "punishhed" since I have too low share rrrrratio?
[03:01] <adaptr> k-osh: wouldn't surprise me in the least
[03:01] <k-osh> adaptr: Yesss, that's the biggest problem. that iit doesn't work now.
[03:01] <adaptr> k-osh: have you lied when setting up your max outgoing bandwidth ?
[03:02] <adaptr> k-osh: because that limits what you get from peers and seeders
[03:02] <Pekke_> dmesg | tail says: cdrom:open failed.
[03:02] <adaptr> (although it should never be *zero*)
[03:02] <k-osh> adaptr: it's the default settings. So whatever's in there isn't my lies. ;-)
[03:02] <mhb> okay, one more question: Edgy's Kopete shows only ICQ numbers instead of nicknames on some friends ... even though the people have their nicks set up correctly. How can I fix that?
[03:02] <adaptr> k-osh: there are no default settings for upload speed, since the client cannot know that
[03:03] <BluesKaj> ICQ...ppl still use that ?
[03:03] <k-osh> adddddddapppppppttr: It's set  "unlimiitied"
[03:03] <|kosmo|> somone
[03:03] <k-osh> adaptr: unlimited. So that shouldn't bbe a problem.
[03:04] <adaptr> k-osh: have you read the log file?
[03:04] <k-osh> adaptr: dddidn't know there was one. Will have to look for it then.
[03:04] <darkserver3> darkserver2 it's busy now, he can help me, please someone here it's listing me
[03:06] <k-osh> adaptr: Can't find any log of ktorrent and it doesn't appear to log in "messages" or "syslog" either.
[03:07] <genii> Is anyone running a small cluster?
[03:07] <switchkill> please i need help, i can't get the mp3 support to work
[03:07] <genii> (or even a large one)
[03:07] <deviant> switchkill : Did you install the codecs?
[03:07] <k-osh> genii: Have been at  work. Wwhat do you    need?
[03:07] <switchkill> i have tried but i have no idea if it worked how do i check if they are installed
[03:07] <k-osh> genii: running one I mean.
[03:08] <genii> k-osh Are you running some mpi kernel?
[03:08] <k-osh> genii: We did some   experrrrimeeeeeeeeeenting   with that but  for our needs pvm wasss qqquite enough.
[03:08] <deviant> switchkill : By trying to play a mp3 in one of your media players.
[03:09] <switchkill> yeah it dont work
[03:09] <deviant> switchkill : did you install w32codecs?
[03:09] <genii> k-osh OK trying to get a feel for which route to take. I have about 50 or so old P3 systems and the electricity.
[03:10] <mouse-maniac> hello id like to know if i can install firestarter on kubuntu couse don't like guard dog?
[03:10] <mouse-maniac> and if it works as fine as on gnome
[03:10] <genii> k-osh My first inclination is to make some sort of POV renderfarm
[03:10] <deviant> mouse-maniac : Yes
[03:10] <mouse-maniac> thanx
[03:10] <mouse-maniac> can u help me dubble partion xp kubuntu as it's 1 time i do it ?
[03:11] <mouse-maniac> i got xp now and fedora on hd
[03:11] <k-osh> genii: What will you use it for? I think that's the main question. Also, do check out some cluster management softwares, they're quite handy.
[03:11] <deviant> mouse-maniac : Lol You're asking the wrong person, I just know the basics
[03:11] <switchkill> umm i'm not to sure, i put an entry into sources.list updated the aptitude tried to install libxine-extracodecs and it just says no packages will be installed accept this solution
[03:12] <deviant> switchkill : Try sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[03:12] <mouse-maniac> as only difect i seen till now is a hard dubble partioner in ubuntu family id like to some help to partion xp kubuntu
[03:12] <Pekke_> which linux is small enough to fit in to a usb memory? if i try to use my cdrom with some other distro...
[03:12] <k-osh> genii: For POV I think PVM is good enough. We used that as a demo and it worked very well. It's quite cool to see how different nodes build different parts of the image. There was already a pvm integration tool made for pov.
[03:12] <mouse-maniac> btw use anacondo fedora 6 does every think in a click
[03:12] <mouse-maniac> ubuntu neads that
[03:12] <mouse-maniac> pekke damn small linux
[03:12] <Pekke_> i'll get that
[03:13] <switchkill> it's saying its not available
[03:13] <deviant> switchkill : Did you uncomment all the repo's in sources.list?
[03:13] <mouse-maniac> http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/
[03:13] <genii> k-osh Yeah I think there was a management app called perhaps neuron or similar I used before when I had a small mandrake mpi cluster. I'm thinking about a debian/ubuntu cluster for tinkering mainly but for something useful maybe doing rendering of stills from POVRay then exporting into footage
[03:13] <cloakable> switchkill: did you do sudo apt-get update after editiong sources.list?
[03:13] <k-osh> genii: MPI is better for jobs that aren't easy to parallell iirc. POV is very parallell so you should be fine with that I think.
[03:14] <mouse-maniac> can u put some thing good as anaconda un ubuntu family distros for the future click and go partioner?
[03:14] <bronze_0_1> Hi all - I have a new Kubuntu installation. When I login as root I cam play my mp3's with XMMS perfectly.  When I Log in as a normal user, xmms gets an error "Can't open audio". (yes, I logged root out first. :)   This seems likely to be a permissions problem. Can some one give me a pointer some docs about how to fix this ?
[03:14] <bronze_0_1> *can
[03:14] <genii> k-osh Thanks for the input
[03:14] <k-osh> genii: Very cool project. How come you got 50 or so odd boxes to spare?
[03:15] <deviant> bronze_0_1 : Put your user in the audio group.. Or add the audio group to your user
[03:15] <k-osh> genii: Glad if it helped.
[03:15] <mouse-maniac> so will future distros of ubuntu family have anaconda or some thing as good to dubble partion in it?
[03:15] <genii> k-osh The not-for-profit ISP I work at got around 3000 old systems donated from the city
[03:15] <bronze_0_1> deviant: ah, that easy!   on my way. Thank you.
[03:15] <mouse-maniac> fedora 6 whit xandros was the only distro yet to click and go whit out problems my xp
[03:15] <deviant> bronze_0_1 : Anytime :)
[03:16] <mouse-maniac> so deviant ?
[03:16] <k-osh> genii: Sweet. So you'll set up this renderfarm for us all to use... ;-)
[03:16] <switchkill> i had a problem with resolving my router dns server, for some reson the resolv.conf keeps reverting back to the routers dns instead of using my isp's so the fist few times before i edited it didn't work i dont think
[03:16] <mouse-maniac> im asking u deviant if that's ok
[03:17] <genii> k-osh So I figure I may as well put a few dozen to work on something productyive instead of being on skids in a warehouse. Hmm... perhaps some website to drop off a pov file then check in on the rendering queue and progress would be cool
[03:17] <deviant> mouse-maniac : I would have no idea Mouse-Maniac I'm a n00b to Kubuntu myself.
[03:17] <mouse-maniac> o ok
[03:17] <mouse-maniac> any experts here?
[03:17] <genii> k-osh Then you get a url to go pick up the finished footage or similar
[03:18] <deviant> switchkill : try sudo apt-get update
[03:18] <mouse-maniac> genii when will ubuntu family distros have some thing good to dubble partion in a click as fedora's 6 anaconda?
[03:18] <mouse-maniac> or k-osh
[03:19] <lotusleaf> mouse-maniac: are you on fedora now?
[03:19] <mouse-maniac> yes
[03:19] <lotusleaf> mouse-maniac: might want to enable the spell checker then
[03:19] <lotusleaf> :)
[03:19] <mouse-maniac> but for some strange reason gives me lcd problems
[03:19] <genii> Well I've had to deal with Xandros before but I'm not neccesarily an expert with it. It's basically another debian based distro like ubuntu or knoppix but with some more commercial-type features like codeweavers etc
[03:19] <mouse-maniac> no im on xp and not english sorry
[03:19] <lotusleaf> mouse-maniac: I see :)
[03:19] <lotusleaf> mouse-maniac: did you mean "double partition" ?
[03:19] <mouse-maniac> xandros is the best for begginers just to $
[03:20] <mouse-maniac> yes
[03:20] <mouse-maniac> thanx
[03:20] <switchkill> yeah it fetched 3B
[03:20] <mouse-maniac> what im trying to say xandros and fedora 6 did my dubble partion from xp whit one click using anaconda
[03:20] <lotusleaf> mouse-maniac: I find Ubuntu best for beginners, but this isn't a cross-distro comparison channel. Try #linux for general chat.
[03:20] <deviant> switchkill : Great, Now try sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[03:20] <lotusleaf> mouse-maniac: Use what works for you.
[03:20] <BluesKaj> isn't Xandros a commercial distro ?
[03:21] <genii> mouse-maniac The Xandros devs unfortunately don't distribute their installation code
[03:21] <mouse-maniac> no im just asking if they will put a dubble partioner good as anaconda on ubuntu to as i see it's hard to manualy do it now
[03:21] <switchkill> couldn't find package w32codecs
[03:21] <BluesKaj> !codecs
[03:21] <deviant> switchkill : okay, You'll need to add some repo's to your source.list.
[03:21] <deviant> !w32codecs
[03:21] <switchkill> sweet
[03:22] <Jucato> hm...
[03:22] <mouse-maniac> well if i had $ for it would be the best for begginers every one knows of the free distros im in a big fight choosing kubuntu or fedora 6
[03:22] <lotusleaf> mouse-maniac: you might address your question for discussion on the UbuntuForums.org
[03:22] <mouse-maniac> thanx
[03:22] <BluesKaj> someone wake the bot !
[03:22] <lotusleaf> mouse-maniac: yw
[03:22] <BluesKaj> !bot
[03:22] <deviant> switchkill : give me a moment and I'll have some repo's to add to your source.list so you can apt-get w32codecs
[03:22] <genii> BluesKaj Yes, it is what used to be Corel Linux but now Xandros. Based in Ottawa. They tried to make a deal with us as an ISP where we put it instead of Kubuntu and they would charge ppl some fee to get extras like codeweavers or ooother stuff like xdms server
[03:22] <switchkill> thanks
[03:23] <mouse-maniac> lotus i made the famous test on linux desktop and said only 2 distros fornew users and what i look for are ubuntu and madrivia they said kubuntu is not good for begginers is that true?
[03:23] <Jucato> switchkill: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/WindowsCodecs
[03:23] <deviant> Well that works too :) Thanks Jucato
[03:23] <BluesKaj> IC genii
[03:23] <genii> Xandros also makes you pay for support and some other stuff like winmodem drivers etc
[03:23] <mouse-maniac> couse im ready to install kubutu now 64 bit 6.10
[03:24] <lotusleaf> mouse-maniac: I feel that Kubuntu and Ubuntu are both excellent for beginners. I've preloaded several systems with each for people aged 70 and above who knew little to nothing about computers and previously used Windows. If they can use it, anyone can.
[03:24] <Jucato> :)
[03:24] <deviant> Xandros sounds to much like Linspire.
[03:24] <anatoliy> what is the bash command to search for a file
[03:24] <genii> deviant Yeah same kind of mentality
[03:24] <mouse-maniac> btw i must thank u for this so user friendly comunity and biggest the other ones are cold and rude 90%
[03:24] <bronze_0_1> deviant: works!  Thank you for the info.  More info:  had to log the user out and back in again in order for the change to take affect. Restarting xmms wasn't suficient. (This tells me I need more coffee, a change to /etc.groups cannot affect an already existing set of user processes or any spwaned from those )
[03:25] <mouse-maniac> another reason i feel to switch to ubuntu
[03:25] <switchkill> will the w32codecs play mp3 or is only mico formats?
[03:25] <bronze_0_1> anatoliy: there are two - find and locate
[03:25] <lotusleaf> mouse-maniac: top notch community :)
[03:25] <genii> Well 3 ways if you count whereis LOL
[03:25] <lotusleaf> anatoliy: locate filename
[03:25] <bronze_0_1> anatoliy: locate works off a database that is periodically regenerated. find will find everything no matter how recent the change
[03:25] <BluesKaj> using kubuntu isn't the problem lotusleaf, setup is the prob ...I'm 63 and used windows for 7yrs before switching to Linux ...it'takes some work to get it working the way windows does .
[03:25] <deviant> switchkill : It'll play mp3's
[03:26] <anatoliy> bronze_0_1: thanks, can you give me an example of one please
[03:26] <lotusleaf> anatoliy: sudo updatedb && locate filename if you've just installed/compiled something recently
[03:26] <bronze_0_1> locate is fats and find is slower
[03:26] <bronze_0_1> *fast
[03:26] <Jucato> deviant: er??
[03:26] <switchkill> nice
[03:26] <mouse-maniac> i like the the ubuntu spirit as im a socialist and the fact it's the biggest and 24/7 helping fedora seems rude and a goast town comunity suse even worse i got good reply just for $ distros comunity not nice
[03:26] <bronze_0_1> anatoliy: i can if you can tell what you are looking for. :)
[03:26] <genii> anatolly If the command "locate" gives you some error about no db  first run: sudo updatedb     and then try the locate command again after
[03:26] <deviant> bronze_0_1 : lol sorry, I forgot to tell you to logout then back in.
[03:26] <Jucato> switchkill: w32codecs is for windows formats. libxine-extracodecs (in the repos) is for mp3's, avi's, and aac's
[03:26] <bronze_0_1> deviant: s'
[03:26] <Jucato> deviant: ^^^^
[03:26] <bronze_0_1> deviant: s'allright..
[03:27] <anatoliy> lotusleaf: thank you
[03:27] <mouse-maniac> do u  lotus work for ubuntu progect and genii?
[03:27] <BluesKaj> Jucato, kick the ubotu ... wake it up :)
[03:27] <anatoliy> genii thanks
[03:27] <lotusleaf> BluesKaj: then perhaps people should spend a moment to contact their local officials and have them explore why OEMs are preloading so few choices
[03:27] <lotusleaf> anatoliy: yw
[03:27] <Jucato> !ping
[03:27] <genii> mouse-maniac The ubuntu community is about the most helpful of all linux distributions
[03:27] <Jucato> hm..
[03:28] <mouse-maniac> couse others' don't have the geek philosphy and ubuntu spirit that's why they more idividual or $ oriented
[03:28] <mouse-maniac> i think u are the comunity who show linux better and socialism
[03:28] <bronze_0_1> >.>
[03:28] <genii> mouse-maniac I do not work for ubuntu project. But I am very interested in open-source software and operating systems.
[03:28] <mouse-maniac> id like to meet mark once they told me he comes to chat when he has times on ubuntu is that true?
[03:28] <bronze_0_1> anatoliy: are you all set?
[03:29] <BluesKaj> lotusleaf, we all know the reason for that ...it's called Bill Gates disease and his predatory marketing practices has retailers gun shy .
[03:29] <lotusleaf> BluesKaj: lol
[03:29] <switchkill> yeah still no joy with the mp3's, why can't i install the libxine-extracodecs
[03:30] <lotusleaf> !sabdfl | mouse-maniac
[03:30] <mouse-maniac> so is this thing future possible about mark lotus ?
[03:30] <mouse-maniac> what did u do?
[03:31] <lotusleaf> mouse-maniac: again, check out http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ for starters :)
[03:31] <genii> switchkill Does apt-cache search  libxine-extracodecs        show anything? You may need to add some repos if it doesn't
[03:31] <bronze_0_1> lotusleaf: MS financially penalizes any OEM who offers other OS platform choices. Its illegal and they have been found guilty of the infraction, unfortunately when the federal administration changed parties the new administration basically told the Department of Justice to lay off MS.  (I was an analyst at IDC during that trial. It was part of my job to analyse the market implications of thoae events)
[03:31] <lotusleaf> mouse-maniac: you might find #ubuntu-offtopic, #kubuntu-offtopic, and #ubuntuforums usefulf or Offtopic chat, as this is a support channel.
[03:32] <switchkill> it does nothing
[03:32] <genii> switchkill OK let me look up what repo it should be in then
[03:32] <mouse-maniac> ok thanx
[03:33] <lotusleaf> bronze_0_1: interesting, if you scratched out any writings yourself on the matter I'd love to read them @ #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[03:34] <bronze_0_1> lotusleaf: Sadly the copyrights on those writings all belong to IDC and cost about $3K for the first copy (cheaper in bulk quantities.. :-)  )
[03:34] <lotusleaf> bronze_0_1: O_o wow
[03:35] <genii> switchkill Apparently that package should be in multiverse. So edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add multiverse to the end of all the repo names if it isn't there already. Then doa  sudo apt-get update afterwards then apt-cache search libxine-extracodecs after
[03:35] <bronze_0_1> IBM was grateful for the briefings however.  Remeber when IBM decided to pour a metric sh_tload of money into marketing Linux? :-)
[03:35] <genii> switchkill If it shows up then, you can install it of course
[03:36] <genii> Oracle seems to be leaning towards linux too but not in a nice way really
[03:36] <ForgeAus> ahh I think I figured whats wrong
[03:37] <ForgeAus> ok what do I do about the /dev folder in kubuntu?
[03:37] <ForgeAus> if its missing sdb3?
[03:37] <Jucato> !test
[03:37] <ubotu> Failed.
[03:37] <ForgeAus> in fact its got alot of devices but its also missing alot
[03:38] <genii> ForgeAus well, udev normally only makes entries for what it finds. So if no sdb3 there, it couldn't see one
[03:38] <genii> !botsnack
[03:38] <ubotu> Yum!
[03:39] <ForgeAus> genii this is on an install
[03:39] <genii> Jucato bot consolation prize for failing the test
[03:39] <ForgeAus> the drive it installed too is missing half of the /dev devices it should have
[03:39] <Jucato> hehe
[03:39] <ForgeAus> thats why it can't mount my boot partition?
[03:39] <ForgeAus> sdb3 was where it was installed too
[03:39] <ForgeAus> grrrr to
[03:39] <ForgeAus> (damn grammar/typos/etc)
[03:40] <ForgeAus> can you copy files from dev?
[03:40] <genii> ForgeAus I noticed occasionally the partioner doesn't do a proper write. You may need to back up a step and dblcheck the partitions and so on
[03:41] <apokryphos> !info amarok
[03:41] <ForgeAus> the partitions there I can mount it
[03:41] <ForgeAus> its got a filesystem on it even
[03:41] <Martiini> how do I get information about a file when there is no filename (probably iso file)
[03:41] <Jucato> !test
[03:41] <ForgeAus> its just got missing files thats all
[03:41] <Jucato> :O
[03:41] <ubotu> amarok: versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.4.3-0ubuntu10 (edgy), package size 14370 kB, installed size 31288 kB
[03:41] <ubotu> Failed.
[03:41] <ForgeAus> can't mount a /dev/sdb3 that doesn't have a corresponding /dev/sdb3 file entry right?
[03:42] <genii> ForgeAus You can mount a partition which does not exist in /dev ???
[03:42] <ForgeAus> so why didn't that file copy?
[03:42] <ForgeAus> genii... yes from the live CD I can
[03:42] <ForgeAus> its the drive I installed too (sdb3) thats missing the /dev/sdb3 device
[03:42] <rich__> ho
[03:43] <ForgeAus> which is why grub can't boot into it?
[03:43] <ForgeAus> shouldn't the installer have copied that tho?
[03:43] <cloakable> rich__: Who you calling a ho, ho? :p
[03:43] <ForgeAus> what I don't understand is why it didn't
[03:44] <switchkill> yeah thanks heaps it's working now
[03:44] <ForgeAus> grub can't mount it (because to grub and sdb3 itself the device doesn't exist)
[03:44] <genii> ForgeAus cp has an archive switch which lets you copy problemmatic files like devices. eg:   cp -a /dev/whatever /dest/wherever
[03:44] <esben> Anyone here know of a good, wireless access point, preferably running linux (Debian would be perfect... almost *ubuntu) ?
[03:44] <ForgeAus> um genii will the gui work if I copy as root in konqueror??
[03:45] <jatos> hey
[03:45] <genii> esben You mean an embedded thing like a Linksysy or DLink or a computer running some linux distro like meshAP?
[03:45] <aspedia> how can I see if I have ubuntu server installed? when I do "lsb_release -a" then I see only that is ubuntu
[03:45] <aspedia> can somone help?
[03:46] <Jucato> aspedia: it will always say that it's ubuntu
[03:46] <ForgeAus> ok they all show up there now
[03:46] <ForgeAus> but is this going to fix my problem.. brb
[03:46] <genii> ForgeAus I suspect not since you can't use just cp /dev/a /dest/place     as root successfully. It needs the -a switch for devices
[03:46] <ForgeAus> I guess trying to boot is the only way I can find out uh?
[03:46] <aspedia> so how can I see that its the server version
[03:46] <aspedia> ?
[03:46] <elcuco> how can install the kickoff menu in 6.10?
[03:46] <Jucato> aspedia: try "uname -r"
[03:46] <ForgeAus> genii I did it on command line I was just curious about gui
[03:47] <ForgeAus> ok trying it
[03:47] <ForgeAus> bbl prolly
[03:47] <Jucato> elcuco: I think there's a .deb package lurking somewhere in www.kde-apps.org or www.kde-look.org
[03:47] <esben> genii: An embedded thingy... I think. I do have a server already, but I didn't really consider that as an option. I'm pretty new to this wireless thingy
[03:47] <switchkill> i'm also having problems with mounting my ntfs
[03:47] <DjDarkman_> hy ,can someone point me to a link that can help me set up my network ,because it`s impossible to set it up trough kcontrol?
[03:47] <aspedia> ahh, okay thanks :)
[03:47] <DjDarkman_> I have 3 network cards ,1 that gives me internet acces ,1 for later use ,and another for my laptop ,that would need to access the internet too
[03:48] <jatos> I've been trying to recover some last partitions using testdisk, and it hasn't found all my partitions, anyone got any ideas?
[03:48] <genii> esben There are several alternate firmwares available for the WRT54 series of router/wap which is linux based.
[03:48] <genii> esben Thats the one I'm most familiar with
[03:48] <esben> genii: Thank you. I have heard that you have to be careful what model you buy, exactly... something about being sure to get the GL or something.
[03:49] <elcuco> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=50240
[03:49] <elcuco> ^^ kickoff, i think :)
[03:49] <genii> esben The model numbers afer version 4 have half the ram onboard so better to get a model prior to that. The G series I think are the ones with less ram. But you could likely find out easily by Google
[03:50] <esben> genii: Heh. Easy you say. Thanks, the memory is probably a good keyword
[03:51] <elcuco> http://tuxicity.wordpress.com/2006/12/12/kickoff-for-kde-now-also-available-for-kubuntu-edgy/
[03:51] <Jucato> elcuco: you can install the .deb package from kde-apps
[03:52] <genii> esben I just looked it up :) The wrt54G is the model specifically I remembered. Models version 1 thru 4 have 4Mb then they scaled it down to 2Mb after model 5
[03:52] <elcuco> the one i linked to in the last post is unavailable now
[03:52] <|Daisuke_Ido|> wrt54g v3 with hyper-wrt :D
[03:52] <deviant> .... I thought mysql server installed without a password..
[03:52] <MidMark> kickoff installations sucks, it will destroy all your kde preferences
[03:52] <Jucato> elcuco: remember... use at your own risk
[03:52] <Jucato> MidMark: *all*?
[03:52] <apokryphos> MidMark: why?
[03:52] <Jucato> not really, iirc
[03:52] <elcuco> MidMark: you tested it?
[03:52] <MidMark> yes
[03:52] <esben> genii: You must be better at googling than I. I thank thee :D
[03:52] <apokryphos> MidMark: if so, it was obviously packaged unproperly
[03:52] <Jucato> I used it. didn't destroy my prefs
[03:52] <apokryphos> nothing about kickoff itself
[03:52] <genii> esben np
[03:52] <thibault> bonjour
[03:52] <MidMark> I mean kicker pref
[03:52] <elcuco> ok, i will not use it then :)
[03:53] <thibault> hablar frances
[03:53] <apokryphos> MidMark: like what?
[03:53] <apokryphos> !france
[03:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about france - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:53] <Jucato> !fr
[03:53] <apokryphos> !fr
[03:53] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:53] <Jucato> :P
[03:53] <MidMark> for example all my keyb shortcuts
[03:53] <Jucato> MidMark: didn't touch my kicker prefs either
[03:53] <apokryphos> !france is <alias> fr
[03:53] <ubotu> I'll remember that, apokryphos
[03:53] <thibault> thanck you
[03:53] <Jucato> rawr
[03:53] <apokryphos> 8)
[03:54] <MidMark> Jucato: I had tested probably another package
[03:54] <MidMark> not 3v1n0 one
[03:54] <Jucato> I think I used the one from kde-apps
[03:55] <MidMark> yes the same for me
[03:55] <apokryphos> Jucato: what did you think of it?
[03:55] <Jucato> apokryphos: in some ways nice... but...
[03:55] <MidMark> and at the next boot kde should reconfigure it like the first time one install it
[03:55] <heat839> hi, i have plugged in 2 sata hdds and kubuntu fails to load now ?
[03:55] <apokryphos> MidMark: what?
[03:56] <genii> heat839 Plug them in after it loads
[03:56] <MidMark> kickoff
[03:56] <apokryphos> kde should reconfigure kickoff?
[03:56] <apokryphos> I have no idea what you mean
[03:56] <BluesKaj> !kickoff
[03:56] <ubotu> Kickoff is a new KDE menu replacement developed by openSUSE. See http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2331
[03:56] <heat839> thanks
[03:56] <deviant> Has anyone tried installing mysql? And if you have did it ever ask you for a password after install?
[03:56] <BluesKaj> SUSE ? who would want that ? :)
[03:56] <genii> heat839 These are external drives?
[03:57] <heat839> internal sata150
[03:57] <apokryphos> BluesKaj: because it's an awesome menu?
[03:57] <apokryphos> well, opensuse is awesome too
[03:57] <MidMark> apokryphos: after installed kickoff package from kde-look and rebooted then kde asked me to reconfigure kde behaviours like the first time you run kde without preconfiguration
[03:57] <apokryphos> I'm sure that's got nothing to do with kickoff
[03:57] <BluesKaj> yeah apokryphos , but you're biased , yer a SUSE lover , cuz i remeberyou over at the  Suse chat :)
[03:57] <Jucato> MidMark: was that the only thing you installed before this happened? or did you install/upgrade anything before kickoff
[03:58] <spawn57> when's feisty coming out?
[03:58] <Jucato> BluesKaj: not really. I agree with apokryphos
[03:58] <apokryphos> BluesKaj: or because you can /whois ;-)
[03:58] <MidMark> Jucato: I really don't remember but another person in kde-look comment warns about settings ovverride
[03:58] <genii> heat OK then don't plug them in afterwards. Whats happened anyhow, is that the drives are being shuffled as to what devices they belong to now. So one of the new drives is taking for instance devoce sda where before it was belonging to ubuntu hd
[03:58] <BluesKaj> no i remember
[03:58] <apokryphos> BluesKaj: using a distro doesn't really mean you have to be biased, anyhow.
[03:58] <apokryphos> BluesKaj: and it's more interesting if you have two 8)
[03:58] <BluesKaj> apokryphos, just funnin' ya :)
[03:58] <doc|> hey hey
[03:58] <MidMark> !feisty
[03:58] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[03:59] <apokryphos> =)
[03:59] <Jucato> MidMark: probably... but I installed and removed kickoff twice, nothing like that happened
[03:59] <doc|> I have Feisty Herd 2, and I need ative 3D,
[03:59] <MidMark> Jucato: ok, so don't know
[04:00] <BluesKaj> suse was ok , and it would be much better if they found a better source pkg system
[04:00] <genii> heat839 What is better is to figure out what the original drive was being set to. Then try to arrange the drives in such a way physically so the bootable drive has the same designation as before
[04:00] <MidMark> Jucato: anyway in kickoff there is suspend/freeze button... it's strange
[04:00] <Jucato> BluesKaj: heh you're turning this into a suse discussion :P
[04:00] <MidMark> there is no I want to say
[04:00] <heat839> it goes past grub, but fails and says it cant access my ext3 partition, windows however boots fine, they are both on the boot hard drive which hasnt changed position
[04:00] <Jucato> hm.. I didn't recall that, since I don't suspend/freeze
[04:01] <ForgeAus> well I fixed it
[04:01] <ForgeAus> dunno why but it'd called itself hd0 instead of 1
[04:01] <ForgeAus> so it switched itself around!
[04:01] <ForgeAus> thats why the partition didn't exist
[04:01] <ForgeAus> because it was looking on the wrong drive
[04:01] <MidMark> Jucato: yes but they miss, laptop uses them a lot
[04:01] <genii> heat839 Windows was on the same physical drive but different partition?
[04:02] <heat839> yes
[04:02] <ForgeAus> at least now I can add packages
[04:02] <ForgeAus> and try and see if I can get my xp back up
[04:02] <ForgeAus> and/or 98
[04:03] <voltkaiser> What' s new in Feisty?
[04:03] <Jucato> !herd2
[04:03] <genii> heat839 Still sounds like a mixup with the drive designations. When grub goes to Windows it is usually specifying something like HD(),1) or so. But when linux tries to mount / it is trying /dev/sda2 or similar. So one of the other drives is becoming linux device sda for example
[04:03] <Jucato> bah...
[04:04] <ForgeAus> well I know pydance doesn't need to be patched in feisty!
[04:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about herd2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:04] <mineur> BluesKaj: Slackware? :p
[04:04] <ForgeAus> !herd
[04:04] <BluesKaj> whatever :)
[04:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about herd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:04] <mineur> hehe
[04:04] <ForgeAus> !feisty
[04:04] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[04:04] <genii> heat839 If all your drives are sata then likely sda sdb and so on. If the old drive was ide then likely hda instead
[04:04] <Jucato> ForgeAus: I was specifically looking for herd links.. nvm :)
[04:05] <lamelma23> alguien me puede decir como poner a reproducir mp3 en este sistema no lo domino bien aun
[04:05] <Jucato> !es | lamelma23
[04:05] <ubotu> lamelma23: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[04:05] <BluesKaj> the kickoff menu looks interesting , does it work ok on kubuntu ?
[04:05] <ForgeAus> Jucato, well I was too, but looks like uboto didn't know much about them!
[04:05] <heat839> there all sata drives, boot drive is in sata0
[04:05] <blindside> hey guys
[04:05] <Jucato> BluesKaj: yes. but use at your own risk... since it's a 3rd-party deb
[04:05] <blindside> what is the best samba gui?
[04:05] <blindside> or something similar that manages windows lan
[04:05] <Ayabara> does hp_mute_led / ac97_quirk mean anything to anyone? I need to add a fix for my inspiron 6000, but I have no idea how...
[04:06] <switchkill> how do i set folder attributes?
[04:06] <blindside> man this channel is busy
[04:06] <Jucato> switchkill: right-click on the folder -> Properties?
[04:06] <switchkill> in shell
[04:06] <Jucato> switchkill: what exactly are you trying to do?
[04:07] <Jucato> voltkaiser: might want to look at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Herd1/Kubuntu and https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Herd2/Kubuntu
[04:07] <BluesKaj> blindside, try Komba , it's more of an alternative network browser for Samba
[04:07] <blindside> thx
[04:07] <switchkill> i want to create a folder in /media so i can mount ntfs to it and i can't create it unless i'm root and thn its locked and i cant access it in  konqueror
[04:08] <blindside> is there a way i can set it up so i dont have to enter password in kdesu everytime?
[04:08] <blindside> it gets annoying everytime i wanna run adept..
[04:08] <genii> heat839 If you have a livecd available I would boot to that. Then find what drive the system is seeing the old boot as. You can edit the fstab file on the old boot drive to mount whatever partition now contains the / if it is not the same as before.
[04:08] <lotusleaf> blindside: you could create a shortcut to run an app with kdesu
[04:09] <blindside> yeah i know, but i cant be stuffed entering password into kdesu everytime i run the app
[04:09] <blindside> or is that the whole point of it for security?
[04:09] <Jucato> blindside: whole point of security/stability
[04:09] <BluesKaj> yup, I got used to it
[04:09] <heat839> ok thanks for your help genii, i will give that a go
[04:09] <blindside> i see thats ok then
[04:10] <lotusleaf> blindside: on ubuntuforums and elsewhere there are instructions on how to have fat or ntfs loaded for read access without having to use konq as root to read it
[04:10] <Jucato> switchkill: "sudo mkdir <directory_name>"
[04:10] <genii> Yes, su password is there to remind you every time so you don't get lackadaisical about running averything as root
[04:10] <Jucato> switchkill: as for having write access to ntfs mounts, it's not recommended
[04:10] <lotusleaf> Jucato: agreed
[04:10] <Murchadh> switchkill, Think it may have more to do with the command that mounts the drive than the permissions on that folder/mount point. Can you unmount the drive sudo umount /dev/?d?? where ?d?? is sda1/hda2/hb4 or somesuch?
[04:10] <lotusleaf> blindside: just create a seperate fat partition so you can move files back and forth
[04:10] <genii> switchkill Yes avoid writing to ntfs from linux whenever possible
[04:11] <switchkill> yeah i'ts read only and i unmounted it
[04:11] <Minataku> s/whenever\ possible/period/
[04:11] <genii> switchkill There is also an ext3 driver for windoze that you can use if files are larger than 4 gigs a lot *fat32 limit)
[04:12] <{Nathan}> How do I make activate the VNC desktop sharing in kubuntu?
[04:13] <Minataku> Morning, genii
[04:14] <switchkill> ok i'm just new to all of this i can't create a folder in konqueror thats named say /media/windows casue i dont have access to /media, i can however create it in shell root and mount my ntfs to it but i cant access it in konqueror casue i dont have access to it. am i missing something here casue last time i checked i owned this computer?
[04:14] <genii> Minataku Mornin :)
[04:14] <DjDarkman> can someone help me set up internet connection sharing?
[04:14] <genii> Nathan To the line that runs the vnc server just add the switch -shared
[04:15] <{Nathan}> genii: how can I make it run when I boot?
[04:15] <Minataku> genii: So, what's the news on what you can send me (or has your sickness caused no updates (which is acceptible, can't fault you for being sick :3 ))
[04:15] <{Nathan}> switchkill: You can't make that folder because you're not root.
[04:15] <genii> Nathan Sorry, no help there :)
[04:15] <|Daisuke_Ido|> so...  once i've installed kickoff, how do i start it/add it to the panel
[04:15] <{Nathan}> ok, thanks.
[04:16] <Murchadh> switchkill, Right try mounting it like this, sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=000 /dev/?d?? /media/mount_point and then try to access them as ordinary user!
[04:16] <|Daisuke_Ido|> because in theory, it should show same as the k menu, but noooo
[04:16] <Jucato> |Daisuke_Ido|: restart kicker, it takes over the K Menu applet
[04:16] <|Daisuke_Ido|> ah ha
[04:16] <Jucato> |Daisuke_Ido|: dcop kicker kicker restart
[04:16] <switchkill> how am i not root when i'm logged in as the same one to access all the other stuff
[04:17] <genii> Minataku They have the office all torn apart right now to put down some new flooring. so all the stuff is in a locked office couple doors down for which I have no key :( Monday is soonest i can look at it all
[04:17] <Ayabara> anyone? where can I configure the way my "ac97 module" is loaded in ubuntu?
[04:17] <Jucato> !sudo | switchkill
[04:17] <ubotu> switchkill: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[04:17] <Minataku> genii: k
[04:17] <hak5fan> Hey. I just managed to get Warcraft III working in wine....
[04:17] <hak5fan> well almost....
[04:17] <|Daisuke_Ido|> oh man that's nice.  go vista clone!
[04:17] <genii> Minataku Heh
[04:17] <Minataku> genii: Using a CLI client or GUI?
[04:18] <genii> Minataku I broke down and installed KDE on this 6.06 server which was previously cli only
[04:18] <Minataku> :o
[04:18] <switchkill> i realize that
[04:18] <Minataku> In that case, don't forget to look at this picture: http://data.furaffinity.net/yolin/1161544597.yolin_chain_headshot.jpg :D
[04:19] <Kr4t05> I can use mount to mount a bin/cue disc image, right?
[04:19] <genii> Minataku I get a 404 on that url
[04:19] <wedgeV> Kr4t05: i think not
[04:20] <Minataku> Damn it...
[04:20] <DarkDreaM> Bonjour,
[04:20] <DarkDreaM> Est-il normal que aMSN soit graphiquement trs moche ?
[04:20] <switchkill> when i logged in at the splash screen i thought i because root. how do i become root so i can access the atribs of locked folders and files and what ever i want. thats why i asked how do i change the atribs in shell casue i'm root in there and it lets me.
[04:21] <wedgeV> Kr4t05: you can use bchunk to convert bin/cue to iso
[04:21] <wedgeV> Kr4t05: you should be able to mount that
[04:21] <Minataku> genii: Aw, nuts, they must be doing anti-hotlinking >.<
[04:22] <link> I have a question about Amarok
[04:22] <Minataku> http://www.furaffinity.net/view/262308/ << Try that one instead I guess, sorry >.<
[04:22] <BluesKaj> !fr | DarkDreaM
[04:22] <ubotu> DarkDreaM: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[04:22] <longbean> switchkill: the linux terminology is "permissions", not attribs. you probably need the chmod command.
[04:22] <Kr4t05> BluesKaj: You beat me to it.
[04:22] <|Daisuke_Ido|> link: ask away
[04:22] <link> can anyone get their Amarok players to play radio stations or PLS files?
[04:23] <|Daisuke_Ido|> um
[04:23] <Mightily-Oats> hey all... this will probably be the most off topic question ill ask but does anyone have any experience with agoracart.. i just need to know if.. after its installed it has a default template i plug data into.. or do i need to specifically design an interface?
[04:23] <Kr4t05> link: Yeah, but I think you need w32codecs
[04:23] <genii> Minataku "Coffee?" picture?
[04:23] <BluesKaj> Kr4t05, one of the few ways that i can actually help here :)
[04:23] <link> can I grab it from Adept?
[04:24] <Minataku> genii: Yeah
[04:24] <Minataku> :D
[04:24] <genii> Minataku Yeah it's cute
[04:24] <Minataku> When I found it I thought of you and stdin
[04:24] <genii> Minataku If you find a good pic of Juan Valdez and his trusty mule lemme know! LOL
[04:25] <Minataku> genii: rofl
[04:25] <link> would gstreamer work for w32 codecs?
[04:25] <BluesKaj> link , i tried to replace xmms with amarok in streamtuner but that option doesn't work in edgy...seems amarok is taking a bit of a backseat
[04:25] <link> hmmmm
[04:25] <lerneaen_hydra> random end user question: anyone know how to get midi/jackd working?
[04:26] <link> I'll give xmms a wing
[04:26] <BluesKaj> xmms works fine tho , link
[04:26] <genii> Minataku Well since the sun is up here I need to crawl away and continue my vampire lifestyle by sleeping when the sun shines
[04:27] <Mightily-Oats> if no one knows about agoracart thats ok.. i mean.. its very off topic.. but the other question i do have which is on topic is, in kubuntu 6.06, my keboard wont type things properly like certian characters come up as different ones. when i go and specify the the keyboard it works fine.. but after a reboot it needs to be set again. how do i stop it loosing the settings?
[04:27] <Minataku> genii: Heehee, sweet dreams ^^
[04:27] <genii> Have fun everyone :) See you at sundown
[04:27] <Minataku> Later :3
[04:27] <BluesKaj> c ya genii
[04:31] <blindside> how do i share folders in kubuntu so windows can see them?
[04:31] <Kr4t05> wedgeV: I can't mount the iso, either.
[04:32] <blindside> over a network
[04:32] <blindside> not the same computer
[04:32] <spawn57> blindside: you use samba
[04:33] <blindside> do i use smbclient?
[04:34] <spawn57> naw that's for accessing other windows shares
[04:34] <spawn57> you need to install samba and you should be able to configure shares using kde
[04:34] <blindside> oh ok
[04:34] <blindside> i installed samba
[04:35] <Kr4t05> http://pastebin.ca/322616 -- That's what happens when I try to mount and ISO.
[04:37] <spawn57> blindside: yeahhang on i'm installing it on my box too
[04:38] <blindside> ok i configured it
[04:38] <blindside> and my computer shows up
[04:38] <blindside> but it asks for a password
[04:38] <blindside> and i dont remmeber settings any
[04:41] <spawn57> it's the passwoord you use to log into your account
[04:41] <spawn57> anytime you need to do anythign as administrator, it'll ask you for your password.  it's like sudo
[04:41] <blindside> i tried my username and password
[04:42] <blindside> tis not workin
[04:42] <blindside> it asks for password when i try to connect to the computer from the windows end
[04:42] <spawn57> oh
[04:42] <blindside> yeah
[04:42] <spawn57> are you using windows xp?
[04:42] <blindside> yeah
[04:42] <spawn57> windows xp disables guests accounts for file sharing by default
[04:42] <Mightily-Oats> blindside: are u just wanting a share without authentication?
[04:42] <blindside> strange thing also is that when i try to connect to the windows computer from samba it asks for a password
[04:43] <blindside> yeah Mightily-Oats
[04:43] <blindside> its just a home lan
[04:43] <blindside> not gonna be sharing anything important or private
[04:43] <Mightily-Oats> ok.. in your samba config file there will be a section that says "security = user" change user to share.. save the file.. and restart samba
[04:44] <blindside> how do i restart samba
[04:44] <blindside> and where is this config file :P
[04:44] <spawn57> you type sudo invoke-rc.d samba restart in a shell
[04:44] <Mightily-Oats> ok.. are u using dapper or edgy?
[04:45] <Mightily-Oats> actually.. ignore that last one
[04:45] <blindside> dapper
[04:45] <Mightily-Oats> open a terminal and type kdesu kwrite /etc/samba/smb.conf
[04:45] <spawn57> i'm in edgy =|
[04:45] <spawn57> or start -> run
[04:45] <Mightily-Oats> it will ask for the root password
[04:45] <spawn57> i'm gonna get some beer
[04:45] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm not particularly fond of xgl so far :(
[04:46] <spawn57> bbl
[04:46] <blindside> whats xgl?
[04:46] <Daisuke_Ido> !xgl
[04:46] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[04:47] <blindside> !xgl
[04:47] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[04:48] <blindside> whoa
[04:48] <blindside> sounds interesting
[04:48] <blindside> so its opengl accelerated X?
[04:48] <Daisuke_Ido> theoretically, at least
[04:48] <blindside> ur saying u dont like it tho?
[04:48] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm personally not having the best time with it, but a lot of people seem to enjoy it
[04:48] <Daisuke_Ido> i prefer simplicity, personally
[04:49] <blindside> damn its still asking for password =/
[04:49] <Daisuke_Ido> so it's a bit much for me, but to each his own
[04:49] <Mightily-Oats> after using your root password?
[04:49] <blindside> huh?
[04:49] <blindside> no the computer im trying to connect from
[04:50] <blindside> after changing to share and restarting samba
[04:51] <Mightily-Oats> after changing it to share you need to add a share to the smb.conf file
[04:51] <blindside> oh ok
[04:52] <blindside> actually
[04:52] <blindside> i think security = user was commented
[04:52] <blindside> so thats why changing it had no effect
[04:52] <blindside> it had a ; beside it
[04:53] <blindside> is that a comment
[04:53] <Mightily-Oats> yes.. u need to delete that comment
[04:53] <Mightily-Oats> sorry... forgot about that
[04:54] <blindside> i  also commented out "encrypt passwords = true" for good measure
[04:54] <Mightily-Oats> ok.. im not sure what that will do.. but at the bottom of the config file enter the following
[04:54] <Mightily-Oats> {sharename}
[04:54] <Mightily-Oats> comment = Temporary file space
[04:54] <Mightily-Oats> path = /path/to/share
[04:54] <Mightily-Oats> read only = no
[04:54] <Mightily-Oats> public = yes
[04:54] <doc|> where can I see, to install Beryl on Feisty Herd 2 ?
[04:55] <blindside> Mightily-Oats:  it appears system config already took care of that for me ;)
[04:55] <jil0510> I need help I have a problem with alsamixer
[04:55] <jil0510> "alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: Invalid argument"
[04:56] <Mightily-Oats> cool.. ok... save the config file.. open a terminal and type sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[04:56] <blindside> yay it works
[04:56] <blindside> thanks alot
[04:56] <Mightily-Oats> no prob
[04:56] <Mightily-Oats> :)
[04:56] <blindside> woot
[04:56] <Mightily-Oats> just check that you can copy files to and from the share
[04:57] <blindside> k
 sry.. i have no idea bout alsamixer
[04:59] <BluesKaj> Mightily-Oats, what's the diff between samba and smb4k ?
[05:00] <ForgeAus> brb
[05:00] <Mightily-Oats> smb4k is a nice package for browsing the network
[05:00] <hak5fan> how do I restart samba
[05:00] <Mightily-Oats> samba is for serving (sharing) the files on a network
[05:00] <Mightily-Oats> in a terminal type sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[05:04] <Balsamic_Chicken> to install a patch, the code is: patch <~/winestuff/32mouse.patch (from ubuntu forum), what does the "<" sign mean in that command, thx alot for any help
[05:05] <Mightily-Oats> usually (in other places ive seen it used) it means input.. so input that patch  file into the patch program i guess
[05:11] <lucinka> hi
[05:12] <lucinka> anyone here?
[05:12] <lotusleaf> lucinka: a few hundred by the looks of it
[05:13] <lotusleaf> lucinka: ask questions if anyone is around and knows they will happily answer =)
[05:13] <bronze_0_1> maybe - we're in a quantum state
[05:13] <bronze_0_1> you won't know if we're really here until you ask a question
[05:13] <Balsamic_Chicken> Mightily-Oats thx
[05:13] <blindside> hey guys
[05:14] <mouse-maniac> back and real happy
[05:14] <blindside> how do i set it up so i can access ntfs without root?
[05:14] <lotusleaf> blindside: for reading or reading and writing?
[05:14] <blindside> ok reading seems fine
[05:14] <blindside> but
[05:14] <blindside> i set up samba
[05:15] <blindside> for an ntfs folder
[05:15] <blindside> :P
[05:15] <blindside> and its telling me i dont have permission from the other computer
[05:15] <blindside> the samba works fine on a linux folder though
[05:15] <mouse-maniac> btw now i know wich comunity to support lotus and only one distro to use UBUNTU afther a big fight on fedora couse they had all pro usa bush views not socialist at all and very individual as for me linux is not just the os but politics
[05:15] <mouse-maniac> there is not else place for me then here
 no worries
[05:16] <blindside> and i can access it locally fine too
[05:16] <lotusleaf> blindside: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WriteSupportForNTFS , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mountNTFSreadonly , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ntfs-3g , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountNtfsOnBoot , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions?action=show&redirect=NTFSReadWrite
[05:16] <Mightily-Oats> ok.. linux cant write to ntfs partitions without some special softare loaded
[05:16] <mouse-maniac> in fact other distros are for people who just want to use a distro individualistic way ubuntu is socialism = linux
[05:16] <lotusleaf> blindside: read the last link first
[05:16] <Mightily-Oats> it will read it ok
[05:16] <blindside> ok
[05:16] <blindside> just to clarify
[05:17] <blindside> i dont want to write
[05:17] <blindside> only read
[05:17] <Mightily-Oats> should be fine then
[05:17] <blindside> yeah it should
[05:17] <blindside> it is fine locally
[05:17] <lotusleaf> mouse-maniac: every forum has its political side, that's the nature of a forum
[05:17] <blindside> but not over samba
[05:17] <mouse-maniac> yes but here is different it's not jus the os it's the phylosphy
[05:18] <blindside> its philosophy
[05:18] <surgy> can someone help me get my xbox game pad to work properly?
[05:18] <mouse-maniac> i don't like individulistic zionist views of other cumunity
[05:18] <BluesKaj> what is "wpasupplicant_0.5.7+3v1ubuntu4_i386.deb" ? ... it's interfering with removal of unwanted and unusable files ?
[05:18] <mouse-maniac> comunity*
[05:18] <blindside> its individualistic
[05:18] <Mightily-Oats> umm... ok... try in the terminal sudo chmod -Rv 777 /path/of-ntfs-mount-point
[05:18] <blindside> ok
[05:18] <mouse-maniac> 1 thing i must take is english gramar btw thanx
[05:18] <BluesKaj> !wpasupplicant
[05:19] <ubotu> wpasupplicant: Client support for WPA and WPA2 (IEEE 802.11i). In component main, is important. Version 0.5.4-5 (edgy), package size 227 kB, installed size 588 kB
[05:19] <blindside> woops
[05:19] <blindside> i think i know whats happening
[05:19] <blindside> the directory had a space in it
[05:19] <lotusleaf> blindside: did you check the links I provided above?  :)
[05:20] <blindside> and i forgot to wrap it in ""
[05:20] <Mightily-Oats> that path of the ntfs partition is where the device is actually mounted.. for example.. my harddrive partition for windows hda2 is mounted in /media/winc
[05:20] <blindside> thats all sorry for confusion
[05:20] <Mightily-Oats> ok
[05:20] <Mightily-Oats> no worries...
[05:20] <Mightily-Oats> lol.. its the little things right lol
[05:22] <Mightily-Oats> ok.. i gtg.. later all
[05:22] <bronze_0_1> Hi, is the adept package manager safe for use with Kubuntu?
[05:23] <bronze_0_1> I used adept  to add some web developing tools , edutainment and games stuff, and it removed my "programming" entry from my menu, which I'd like to get back.
[05:23] <BluesKaj> I have komba working quite well . I have access from my linux box to wifeys windows pc but her pc sees my Linux pc but i can't access from her windows pc
[05:23] <mouse-maniac> u use ubuntu or kubuntu btw lotus diden't ask u yet?
[05:25] <tdn> I have mounted a dvd image with mount -o loop myimage.img /mnt, now how do I play it? I don't know how to open it in Kaffeine.
[05:25] <San> Hey, I'm trying to change the res on Kubuntu 6.06 from 1024x786 to 1280x1024... I tryed to edit the xorg.conf a few times, and the only time I ever got close was when the option for 1280x1024 came up in the screen settings, but when I selected it nothing changed
[05:26] <San> any ideas? Do you need to see my xorg.conf?
[05:26] <eeanm> tdn: I've done that before with mplayer, there's instructions in the man pages
[05:26] <eeanm> don't know about kaffeine
[05:27] <BluesKaj> San, sys/settings/monitor&display/adminmode/ configure
[05:28] <eeanm> tdn: mplayer dvd://1 -dvd-device /path/to/directory/
[05:29] <San> BluesKaj: I dont have a sys/settings folder.
[05:29] <BluesKaj> it should be in the kmenu
[05:29] <BluesKaj> it's an application not a folder
[05:31] <San> BluesKaj: Thats where I went when I edited xorg.conf the first time. The res I wanted showed up there, but when I selected it, the res didn't change
[05:32] <BluesKaj> ok San, you may have to reconfig xserver-xorg
[05:33] <BluesKaj> San, 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh'
[05:34] <thibault> bonjour
[05:34] <blindside> how to change kde to be more windows like
[05:34] <blindside> double click etc
[05:34] <blindside> sorry for all the questions ive just begun to set up my linux desktop
[05:35] <thibault> c'est ou le french
[05:35] <blindside> bonjour, jemapal blindside
[05:35] <blindside> :P
[05:35] <blindside> jenesse papa le francais
[05:35] <thibault> were is the french?
[05:35] <Balsamic_Chicken> je m'appelle
[05:35] <thibault> md
[05:35] <thibault> mon cul
[05:35] <San> wb
[05:35] <blindside> no really i cant speak french
[05:36] <Balsamic_Chicken> we can tell
[05:36] <thibault> serveur franch please
[05:36] <thibault> french
[05:36] <Pekke_> bye
[05:36] <San> BluesKaj: This is my xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/863598 and I get this when I run your line: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: please specify a package to reconfigure
[05:36] <Balsamic_Chicken> bye pekke_, person i never met b4 woh's not gonna get this msg in time
[05:37] <blindside> anyone know how to change kde to be more windows like?
[05:37] <blindside> for mouse behaviour
[05:38] <Balsamic_Chicken> what are these behavior
[05:38] <Balsamic_Chicken> like as in examples
[05:38] <blindside> also i dunno how to make a link to a directory, a sym link
[05:38] <blindside> double click to open file
[05:38] <blindside> single click to select
[05:38] <[BTF] Chm0d> how do i apply a patch in ubuntu?
[05:38] <blindside> double click window name to maximize/minimize
[05:39] <Balsamic_Chicken> [BTF] Chm0d i think u do: sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:39] <BluesKaj> San,' sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ' .. when you get to the resolutions menu make sure you choose the options column and tick the resolutions you want
[05:40] <Balsamic_Chicken> blindside go to system settings, and then window behavior i think
[05:40] <[BTF] Chm0d> no not exactly what im talking about im trying to apply a patch to kxdocker from quinnstorm
[05:41] <blindside> Balsamic_Chicken: that wasnt there, but i found it under mouse settings. thx anyway
[05:41] <sot1984> ahoy there
[05:41] <BluesKaj> brb , gotta reboot the router again , wifeys pc isn't connecting to the ISP
[05:41] <blindside> how to make symbolic links?
[05:42] <sot1984> can anyone help me about installing the grafics driver?
[05:42] <blindside> "symlnk" is not working
[05:42] <blindside> woops i will use ln -s
[05:42] <blindside> nevermind
[05:42] <thibault> serveur french
[05:42] <thibault> please
[05:43] <thibault> please
[05:43] <Lynoure> !fr | thibault
[05:43] <ubotu> thibault: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:43] <raz0r> hello
[05:43] <thibault> merci
[05:43] <larson9999> wow! i won the european lotto!
[05:43] <yelonek> hi, how should i set up computers to share internet connection ? can i do it with Firestarter ?
[05:43] <thibault> thanks
[05:43] <raz0r> does any1 know how i Download UT 2004 ?
[05:43] <yelonek> it's Kubuntu-host and XP-client network
[05:44] <raz0r> it doesn't work ^^
[05:45] <raz0r> how can i Download UT 2004 so it works ?
[05:45] <manchicken> You don't.
[05:46] <manchicken> ^_^
[05:46] <raz0r> it's not in an read-able format :S
[05:46] <raz0r> http://www.unrealtournament.com/ut2004/downloads.html
[05:47] <raz0r> got kubuntu
[05:47] <manchicken> What do you mean?
[05:47] <raz0r> the demo...
[05:47] <manchicken> It's a .run.gz.
[05:47] <raz0r> i cant do S*** with it
[05:47] <manchicken> gunzip it and then run it.
[05:47] <manchicken> It's not that hard ^_^
[05:47] <raz0r> gunzip...sorry 1st time linux ^^
[05:48] <Pensacola> how to get kicker looking like this http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/9899/oranjevl0.jpg ?
[05:48] <manchicken> Then be careful with what proprietary software you use.  Alot of it has security concerns.
[05:48] <raz0r> ok...
[05:48] <manchicken> Pensacola: Adjust transparency.
[05:48] <h3sp4wn> raz0r: It does work - install from the cd (there is a shell script to run)
[05:48] <Pensacola> I'm particularly looking to change the kde start menu icon
[05:49] <raz0r> y ^^
[05:49] <manchicken> Pensacola: Try to find that theme on kde-look.
[05:49] <Pensacola> how to install such a theme, I downloaded several but nowhere to import them
[05:49] <h3sp4wn> raz0r: you cannot download the complete game from there anyway you need to original
[05:50] <manchicken> Pensacola: Some themes are different.  Follow the instructions posted in the theme for instructions.
[05:50] <raz0r> hey manchicken....am i supposed to zip the file with gunzip or UNzip it ?
[05:50] <Pensacola> ok I'll try
[05:50] <Pensacola> thx for the help
[05:50] <manchicken> raz0r: gunzip ungzips things.
[05:52] <raz0r> manchicken: ok :D
[05:52] <raz0r> how do u whisper some1 ?
[05:52] <raz0r> i dunno ^^
[05:52] <h3sp4wn> raz0r: You install it from the cd's or dvd - get the pack with the editors choice edition and the latest patch copy the files over
[05:52] <manchicken> Around here you ask first, and then /query PERSON
[05:53] <raz0r> just getting the demo
[05:53] <raz0r> testing on linux ^^
[05:56] <San> is Beryl available for Kubuntu, or is it just Ubuntu?
[05:56] <raz0r> i have beryl with kubuntu
[05:57] <manchicken> raz0r: Don't try running 3d games while you're running xgl.
[05:57] <manchicken> raz0r: It will SUCK on performance.
[05:57] <San> where it you get the Source?
[05:57] <manchicken> San: You can just `apt-get source beryl`
[05:58] <manchicken> San: Just make sure you have the deb-src repos uncommented in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:58] <raz0r> why should it suck ?
[05:58] <manchicken> raz0r: Because you'd have your X server doing 3D accel at the same time as your game.
[05:58] <K-Ryan> Why hell manchicken =)
[05:58] <K-Ryan> *hello
[05:58] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Howdy
[05:58] <manchicken> Fancy seeing you here ^_^
[05:59] <K-Ryan> Yeah would of been on earlier but had a dentist appointment
[05:59] <K-Ryan> Teeth are in good shape, no cavities =)
[05:59] <K-Ryan> Might need braces though >.>
[05:59] <raz0r> and why should it use 3d accel and the other one at the same time ^^
[06:00] <jann> hi. can anybody tell whats the best way to make a backup of /home?
[06:00] <raz0r> i got KDE window manager so it lags less ^^
[06:00] <manchicken> raz0r: Okay, FOLLOW me here man.
[06:00] <manchicken> raz0r: xgl uses 3d acceleration for NORMAL operation.  That's why it's called "XGL" instead of "X."
[06:01] <manchicken> raz0r: If you try to play a 3D game while you're using a 3D X server, it will very likely be slow.
[06:01] <manchicken> Those cards can only do so much 3D acceleration at a time.
[06:01] <raz0r> okay ^^
[06:01] <raz0r> what if i dont use XGL ?
[06:01] <manchicken> Then your games will run better.
[06:01] <Peruna> anyone here using KBFX-applet ?
[06:01] <K-Ryan> raz0r it's like trying to play CS Source on the same computer twice all at the exact time
[06:01] <Peruna> just wonder how to uninstall them
[06:02] <raz0r> oh... :D
[06:02] <raz0r> but it lags less when i use beryl then KDE
[06:02] <K-Ryan> but beryl + game = lag
[06:02] <raz0r> know ^^
[06:02] <San> I am getting errors installing
[06:02] <raz0r> KDE rules then ^^
[06:02] <K-Ryan> as long as it's one or the other you should be fine
[06:02] <San> installing beryl
[06:03] <K-Ryan> Ew, this XP theme is too much like XP
[06:03] <bronze_0_1> hi all - does anyone have a reccomendation for a backup MX rail service?
[06:03] <raz0r> i dont have GUnzip...where do i get it ?
[06:03] <Jucato> ... an XP theme that looks too much like XP...
[06:03] <K-Ryan> raz0r Kubuntu comes with Ark
[06:03] <K-Ryan> Which unzips and zips if im not mistaken
[06:03] <K-Ryan> Err, "archives or compresses"
[06:04] <K-Ryan> Zip is winblows
[06:04] <bronze_0_1> sorry -wrong window
[06:04] <raz0r> Ark doesnt know the files...i thik
[06:04] <raz0r> think*
[06:04] <K-Ryan> Jucato: I know, but It was too good of an imitation
[06:04] <bronze_0_1> K-Ryan: Linux has zip
[06:04] <Jucato> zip is an archive format. windows has nothing to do with it though...
[06:04] <K-Ryan> bronze_0_1:I thought Linux used .tar.gz?
[06:04] <raz0r> run.gz
[06:04] <bronze_0_1> it does, and others as well.
[06:05] <raz0r> how do i open run.gz files ?
[06:05] <bronze_0_1> Linux is very friendly. TMTOWTDI
[06:05] <Jucato> K-Ryan: it all depends on the the backend/utility program installed. Linux can do .rar's too
[06:05] <bronze_0_1> :)
[06:05] <Jucato> TMTWhat?!?
[06:05] <Jucato> raz0r: what is it?
[06:05] <raz0r> a zip file....
[06:05] <raz0r> UT2004-LNX-demo3334.run.gz
[06:05] <bronze_0_1> Jucato: thats a very standard and very old *NIX acronym.
[06:05] <raz0r> game
[06:06] <raz0r> ^^
[06:06] <BluesKaj> San, what graphics/video card do you have ?
[06:06] <Jucato> bronze_0_1: I'm not that old :P
[06:06] <bronze_0_1> so look it up. see the jargon file
[06:06] <lotusleaf> K-Ryan: use what you want on Linux, zip, arj, rar, tar, zoo, lha, 7zip, etc.
[06:07] <raz0r> what do i use to open run.gz ^^
[06:07] <K-Ryan> lotusleaf: Thought zip was a winblows thing, guess not
[06:07] <raz0r> UT2004-LNX-demo3334.run.gz cannot be opened by ark
[06:07] <lotusleaf> K-Ryan: wikipedia has more general information on each of the compression formats
[06:07] <bronze_0_1> K-Ryan: its a confusion between a technology and the first platform you encounter it on. A common problem
[06:08] <lotusleaf> K-Ryan: I recommend Xarchiver as a frontend, it works very well
[06:08] <bronze_0_1> see "editor flame wars"
[06:08] <K-Ryan> lotusleaf: I'm not archiving I was just talking about it
[06:08] <K-Ryan> lotusleaf: thanks though
[06:08] <lotusleaf> K-Ryan: yw
[06:08] <raz0r> UT2004-LNX-demo3334.run.gz cannot be opened by ark...what do i use for that then :S
[06:09] <K-Ryan> raz0r google .run.gz
[06:09] <raz0r> ok ;D
[06:09] <fdoving> raz0r: rightclick extract/unzip? it's basically a gzipped binary.
[06:10] <h3sp4wn> raz0r: gunzip < UT2004-LNX-demo3334.run.gz | bash
[06:11] <fdoving> raz0r: if you can't do it easily from the filemanager, you can hit 'F8' and run the command h3sp4wn gave you.
[06:11] <San> BluesKaj: I am using an intel extreme video card
[06:13] <BluesKaj> San, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=336716
[06:15] <San> thanks BluesKaj, that answers both my questions :D
[06:16] <raz0r> i want to get Gunzip...how do i do ??...terminal cmd ?
[06:17] <Jucato> raz0r: hm.. try "tar xzvf <.gz file>" ?
[06:17] <raz0r> syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[06:17] <h3sp4wn> .run.gz is not a tarball
[06:18] <Jucato> hm...
[06:18] <Jucato> raz0r: tar zvf <file>
[06:18] <Jucato> O.o
[06:19] <raz0r> and i dont know almost any commands ^^
[06:19] <h3sp4wn> I gave you the command to use at 17:11
[06:19] <Jucato> raz0r: hold on a sec if that still didn't work
[06:20] <Jucato> raz0r: um.. it didn't work?
[06:21] <manchicken> raz0r: `gunzip file`
[06:21] <Jucato> oh there.. I was just about to type it...
[06:21] <Jucato> :(
[06:22] <raz0r> i got it :D...not ARK
[06:22] <raz0r> ok...maybe not
[06:22] <raz0r> gzip: /tmp/fr-bM1XHM/UT2004-LNX-Demo3334.run.gz: unexpected end of file
[06:22] <raz0r> :S
[06:22] <Jucato> raz0r: you tried the command manchicken gave?
[06:22] <manchicken> Sounds like you didn't download it completely.
[06:23] <Jucato> the file may also be corrupted
[06:23] <Schuenemann> does firefox run very slow in KDE?
[06:23] <raz0r> no
[06:23] <Schuenemann> both firefox and thunderbird are very slow here
[06:23] <Schuenemann> the UI
[06:24] <Schuenemann> maybe because they use GTK?
[06:24] <raz0r> the one from the website ??
[06:24] <raz0r> the demo
[06:24] <Schuenemann> demo?
[06:24] <raz0r> yeah...
[06:24] <Schuenemann> what demo?
[06:24] <raz0r> testing Opengl games just in LInux ^^
[06:25] <Jucato> hehe you are both confused now :P
[06:25] <Schuenemann> I thought he was talking to me
[06:25] <raz0r> the UT 2004 demo ^^
[06:25] <raz0r> on linux
[06:25] <raz0r> it wont work
[06:25] <Schuenemann> it's strange how the UI of both firefox and thunderbird are slow here
[06:25] <raz0r> http://www.unrealtournament.com/ut2004/downloads.html
[06:25] <BluesKaj> Schuenemann, edgy comes with default ipv6 , you can revert it to make FF faster by going here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[06:25] <raz0r> i got kubuntu..which one then
[06:26] <Schuenemann> BluesKaj: but that should affect the connection, not the UI... right?
[06:26] <Schuenemann> and I'm using dapper anyway
[06:26] <Jucato> raz0r: I'll try it
[06:26] <raz0r> g00d ;D
[06:27] <BluesKaj> Schuenemann, works for dapper as well
[06:27] <raz0r> what about the bz2 file ?
[06:27] <Schuenemann> BluesKaj: but that says slow WEB BROWSING
[06:27] <Schuenemann> the connection is normal, it's the UI
[06:27] <Jucato> raz0r: you need bunzip I think
[06:27] <Jucato> raz0r: you see, Ark is just a fancy GUI for tar, zip, rar, bunzip, etc.
[06:27] <BluesKaj> ipv4 is the std right now ipv6 is experimental: hence slow
[06:27] <Schuenemann> since that happens only to firefox and thunderbird, I suspect it's because of GTK
[06:28] <Jucato> raz0r: it can detect/extract/compress to any format as long as the (command line) utility for that is installed
[06:28] <BluesKaj> well Schuenemann, i suggest you at least read the page
[06:28] <raz0r> ok...
[06:28] <raz0r> unzip...
[06:29] <j__> the funniest thing just happened, ran to 0kb empty disk space, couldn't boot into KDE had to use console to remove some files
[06:29] <raz0r> hey Jucato...do you have msn ?
[06:29] <Jucato> raz0r: *had*
[06:29] <raz0r> kopete ?
[06:29] <raz0r> do you have a ...@hotmail.com ?
[06:29] <Jucato> raz0r: yes... I barely use it, as I have no contacts :P
[06:29] <animimotus> hi
[06:29] <chairmeleon> hey people. does anyone know any nice (commerical?) games that run natively on *buntu?
[06:29] <raz0r> we can chat there...
[06:29] <j__> anyway, how do I format an empty NTFS partition to ext?
[06:29] <raz0r> and youll show me
[06:30] <raz0r> ok ?
[06:30] <Jucato> chairmeleon: Neverwinter Nights?
[06:30] <Jucato> raz0r: show you what?
[06:30] <Jucato> like I said, I don't do MSN anymore
[06:30] <raz0r> HOW ;D
[06:30] <raz0r> Kopete work with msn ^^
[06:30] <BluesKaj> j__, use GParted live cd partition editor ...works very well
[06:30] <chairmeleon> jucato: Yeah I've tried it..but, I'm more into FPS/Adventure kinda games
[06:31] <Jucato> chairmeleon: aah.. that I don't know...
[06:31] <Jucato> UT2004?
[06:31] <j__> BluesKaj: it's on the installation disk? or is live-cd a different thing?
[06:31] <chairmeleon> Jucato: got that one installed
[06:32] <raz0r> how the F*** do i unzip the run.gz then ?
[06:32] <zen> hello
[06:32] <raz0r> hi
[06:32] <Jucato> raz0r: we already told you. "gunzip <file>"
[06:32] <zen> does kubuntu 6.10 have latest kde desktop ?
[06:32] <raz0r> what if i dont have gunzip ?
[06:32] <BluesKaj> it's a different thing, it's a seperate utility which works for linux and windows partitions ...makje sure you have your BIOS boot sequence set to cdrom
[06:32] <j__> BluesKaj: nevermind, found it
[06:32] <DeadFishMan> raz0r: Run the command that Jucato gave above. If you don't have gunzip, run apt-get to install it
[06:32] <chairmeleon> raz0r: sudo apt-get install gunzip
[06:33] <raz0r> ty :D
[06:33] <Jucato> DeadFishMan: gzip
[06:33] <chairmeleon> npnp :D
[06:33] <animimotus> I have connected a new usb micro-header, it works well with visio conference applications. But how listen my musik with amarok and this usb device ? Does it general parameter for the all system ?
[06:33] <zen> any one knows if kubuntu 6.10 has last kde desktop ?
[06:33] <Jucato> zen: yes
[06:33] <chairmeleon> zen: It's always avaliable via apt :)
[06:33] <Jucato> zen: at least as of this week
[06:33] <BluesKaj> zen, yes
[06:34] <zen> ok i must install firestarter on it so i use adept?
[06:34] <animimotus> * does it exist
[06:34] <raz0r> E: Kunde inte hitta paketet gunzip
[06:34] <raz0r> could not find the package  gunzip
[06:34] <manfred> the package is gzip
[06:34] <fdoving> raz0r: what about 'gzip' ?
[06:34] <Jucato> raz0r: there is no gunzip package... it's installed by the gzip package
[06:34] <BluesKaj> !se | razor
[06:34] <ubotu> razor: Svensk Ubuntu- och Kubuntusupport hittar du pa #ubuntu-se resp. #kubuntu-se
[06:34] <Jucato> and it's installed by default
[06:34] <raz0r> sudo apt-get install gunzip
[06:34] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:34] <zen> i see there is now mozilla 2.0 and firestarter on it
[06:34] <raz0r> and it says that it cant get it
[06:35] <raz0r> find it
[06:35] <raz0r> *
[06:35] <zen> i think il find them in adept then
[06:35] <Jucato> raz0r: I repeat "there is no gunzip package"
[06:35] <zen> u advise me to keep adept or use skypetic wich one is better for kubuntu?
[06:35] <Jucato> zen: it's all up to you :)
[06:35] <Jucato> zen: the greatest recommendation on earth would be of no use if you can't use it :)
[06:36] <zen> well i just istalled kubuntu now im 1 times using linux
[06:36] <Jucato> zen: welcome to Kubuntu and Linux :)
[06:36] <zen> thanx
[06:36] <daffy> Bonjour tout le monde
[06:37] <Jucato> zen: my advise, stay with the defaults and get comfortable first, before you go exploring alternatives
[06:37] <daffy> Hello every-body
[06:37] <daffy> :)
[06:37] <zen> id like an advise on wich is better for new users adept or spypetic btw?
[06:37] <BluesKaj> !fr | Daffy
[06:37] <ubotu> Daffy: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:37] <daffy> thx
[06:37] <zen> they should be easy both i think just click and install in the end u don't nead to be a power user to use them i think
[06:37] <raz0r> hmm...i cant get gunzip via the command....so i cant unzip the run.gz
[06:37] <Jucato> zen: questions like those are not easy to answer, because you're bound to get different views...
[06:37] <manfred> pas de quoi
[06:38] <Jucato> raz0r: you're not even listening...
[06:38] <zen> ok 1 thing is get mozilla 2.0 now and firestarter i live over dog guardian
[06:38] <raz0r> im trying...just not so in on comp's
[06:38] <zen> then i nead amsn and clock tools for kde
[06:38] <zen> where i go jucato adept?
[06:39] <Jucato> raz0r: the command is gunzip UT2004-LNX-Demo3334.run.gz not "unzip"
[06:39] <Jucato> zen: for MSN, you can use Kopete
[06:39] <zen> im all ready able to do apt get - install and apt -get update and become su
[06:39] <Jucato> I don't know what clock tools you are referring to
[06:39] <BluesKaj> !fr | manfred
[06:39] <ubotu> manfred: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:39] <zen> yes i want them both amsn and kopete for yahoo as they both have cam
[06:40] <raz0r> im doin gunzip and the thingy
[06:40] <zen> will they crash if i use them togheter amsn and kopete ?
[06:40] <Jucato> zen: nope. but you can't be logged on in both at the same time :D
[06:41] <zen> ok my idea was to use kopete for yahoo cam and amsn for msn cam but kopete has cam for msn to now super
[06:41] <zen> ok ill try to use adept if u assist me jucato thanx
[06:41] <DeadFishMan> raz0r: Once you gunzip the file, there will be a file called UT2004-LNX-Demo3334.run on its place. That's the game that you want to run
[06:41] <zen> can i put debian servers in it to get stable repository?
[06:41] <raz0r> i CANT gunzip it
[06:42] <raz0r> gunzip: UT2004-LNX-Demo3334.run.gz: unexpected end of file
[06:42] <DeadFishMan> Hmmmm... The file seems to be corrupted
[06:42] <CSonicGo> I am officially off of windows :(
[06:42] <DeadFishMan> raz0r: Type "file UT2004-LNX-Demo3334.run.gz" and post here what you get
[06:43] <j__> how do I check files for integrity? my windows read/write driver started writing something to this disk when I was browsing files
[06:43] <j__> I think it tried to create that stupid thumbs.db file, then it crashed
[06:43] <raz0r> bash: File: kommando hittades inte
[06:43] <fdoving> raz0r: lowercase f.
[06:43] <raz0r> oh :D
[06:43] <zen> id like to know if u can put debian stable servers in adept or skypetic to download ?
[06:44] <DeadFishMan> raz0r: And please translate the answers to English :)
[06:44] <raz0r> ;)
[06:44] <raz0r> UT2004-LNX-Demo3334.run.gz: gzip compressed data, was "UT2004-LNX-Demo3334.run", from Unix, last modified: Fri Sep 24 12:39:12 2004, max speed
[06:44] <fdoving> DeadFishMan: command not found :)
[06:44] <raz0r> it was in swedish if you were wondering
[06:44] <DeadFishMan> j__: Unless you have a md5hash for each file that you want to check using md5sum, there is no easy way to tell
[06:45] <j__> DeadFishMan: thanks
[06:45] <DeadFishMan> fdoving: Thanks :)
[06:45] <j__> have to run them then
[06:45] <j__> thankfully there are less than 40 files in that folder
[06:45] <zen> i see adept dosen't have msn in the repository how do i get it and tlc it askes for?
[06:45] <BluesKaj> !se | raz0r
[06:45] <ubotu> raz0r: Svensk Ubuntu- och Kubuntusupport hittar du pa #ubuntu-se resp. #kubuntu-se
[06:46] <j__> should have installed a read only driver in the first place
[06:46] <Jucato> !amsn | zen
[06:46] <Jucato> BluesKaj: he speaks English,you know...
[06:46] <raz0r> what with !se | raz0r ?
[06:46] <ubotu> amsn: An MSN messenger written in tcl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.95-2.1 (edgy), package size 2261 kB, installed size 7752 kB
[06:46] <DeadFishMan> raz0r: Well, looks like the OS recognizes the file as a proper gz archive. Sometimes, when the file is corrupted, file will return just DATA as description
[06:46] <surgy> how do you set a program to be the defualt program associated with a particular extension, for example i want VLC player to be associated with every divx and avi file
[06:46] <zen> !amsn
[06:46] <BluesKaj> yeah , but his cmds are svensk
[06:46] <DeadFishMan> raz0r: That's not a rule, of course.
[06:46] <Jucato> BluesKaj: which he translates :)
[06:46] <raz0r> but what am i supposed to do then :S
[06:47] <h3sp4wn> raz0r: f72f55d1d9b5682408e36d8b0689e857  UT2004-LNX-Demo3334.run.gz (check the md5sum - that is what it should be I just downloaded it)
[06:47] <zen> btw jucato can i put debian stale servers in adept to update repository?
[06:47] <BluesKaj> not easy to do exactly
[06:47] <zen> ill get it direct from there
[06:47] <Jucato> raz0r: it's possible that your download was corrupted
[06:47] <raz0r> downloaded it 3 times
[06:47] <Jucato> zen: no
[06:47] <j__> surgy: just right-click on a file
[06:47] <Jucato> raz0r: my download is very slow.. so I can't really test right now
[06:47] <j__> then properties
[06:47] <raz0r> ehm...downloaded it in like 1 min
[06:47] <j__> click the icon
[06:48] <DeadFishMan> raz0r: Run md5sum UT2004-LNX-Demo3334.run.gz and compare the result with the one that h3sp4wn gave: f72f55d1d9b5682408e36d8b0689e857
[06:48] <j__> don't know why there is no text there
[06:48] <DeadFishMan> raz0r: If the results don't match, then you got a corrupted file...
[06:48] <j__> the icon tries to resemble some tool
[06:48] <zen> i got shorewall here as firewall u advise me it over firestarter?
[06:48] <Jucato> raz0r: how big is the file?
[06:48] <raz0r> 72mb
[06:48] <raz0r> 77.2 :D
[06:49] <raz0r> *
[06:49] <Jucato> hm... you have a very fast connection :)
[06:49] <raz0r> ;)
[06:49] <Jucato> I have a slow and wacky one
[06:49] <raz0r> well ty ^^
[06:49] <h3sp4wn> -rw-r--r--  1 samw samw  78M 2007-01-20 17:27 UT2004-LNX-Demo3334.run.gz
[06:49] <h3sp4wn> (should be 78mb)
[06:49] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: you can run the gunzip on it?
[06:49] <DeadFishMan> h3sp4wn: Better use ls -lh
[06:49] <raz0r> Md5sum ?
[06:49] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: yep
[06:50] <h3sp4wn> DeadFishMan: Makes little difference
[06:50] <zen> what's better to install in kubuntu shorewall or firestarter?
[06:50] <DeadFishMan> h3sp4wn: At least you got the exact number in bytes as ls tends to round the number
[06:50] <DeadFishMan> h3sp4wn: This way he will know for sure the size that his file must have, assuming that yours is fine
[06:50] <Jucato> 50% to go...
[06:51] <h3sp4wn> DeadFishMan: The md5sum is better for that though
[06:51] <DeadFishMan> h3sp4wn: Agreed
[06:51] <raz0r> h3sp4wn: how did i run Md5sum then ?
[06:51] <h3sp4wn> DeadFishMan: I did use ls -lh anyway (shouldn't have used the h)
[06:51] <Jucato> raz0r: md5sum <file>
[06:52] <raz0r> in terminal ?
[06:52] <DeadFishMan> h3sp4wn: Duh! You got me!!!! XD
[06:52] <zen> ok jucato i nead to know how do i make the programs i install from adept show couse some don't show in menu
[06:52] <Jucato> zen: what did you install? amsn?
[06:52] <raz0r> f72f55d1d9b5682408e36d8b0689e857
[06:52] <j__> do non-kde apps show in the menu ever?
[06:52] <zen> no shorewall
[06:52] <zen> but don't know if firestarter is better yet haha
[06:53] <Jucato> zen: ah I'm not familiar with that.. if it's a command line app, it will have no entry in the K Menu
[06:53] <DeadFishMan> raz0r: On the terminal, type "md5sum UT2004-LNX-Demo3334.run.gz" and see if the number that it gives is equal this one: f72f55d1d9b5682408e36d8b0689e857
[06:53] <blindside> hey anyone know how to fix ati card from being too bright after driver install?
[06:53] <Jucato> j__: yes. Firefox, GIMP, Inkscape, etc
[06:53] <raz0r> its the equal one
[06:53] <DeadFishMan> raz0r: If it is different, then your file must likely is corrupted
[06:53] <j__> is there a way to list all applications that are installed and their start commands?
[06:53] <raz0r> its the same
[06:53] <zen> ok so if  i open console just have to do apt - get install amsn?
[06:54] <j__> I'm thinking a menu entry like Other that would have all graphical apps that won't show in the menu normally under it
[06:54] <ctothej> My usb harddrive auto mounts, how can I make it mount with ntfs-3g??
[06:54] <blindside>  anyone know how to fix ati card from being too bright after driver install?
[06:55] <raz0r> ive got the same probs on movie with My nvidia geforce fx 5200 drivers
[06:55] <raz0r> and i cant run source games :S
[06:55] <raz0r> CS:S games and stuff ^^
[06:55] <zen> damn what i hate of deb distros every time on 1 install they don't get my root password
[06:56] <zen> dosen't let me become su
[06:56] <DeadFishMan> raz0r: Actually, what you're trying to do is run the binary for UT2004. We just need to figure out why you cannot uncompress it... :)
[06:56] <Dr_willis> use su -
[06:56] <j__> raz0r, since your swedish I gotta ask you this. What do you think happened to Finland after the Russo-Finnish war?
[06:56] <Jucato> !sudo | zen
[06:56] <ubotu> zen: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:56] <Jucato> Dr_willis: ???
[06:56] <zen> yes but dosen't get the  root password
[06:56] <raz0r> dunno ;D....nothing ^^
[06:56] <zen> every time on 1 install it's the same
[06:57] <Jucato> zen: look up a bit
[06:57] <DeadFishMan> zen: You can use sudo -s
[06:57] <j__> since like 50% of swedes though Finland became a soviet republic
[06:57] <DeadFishMan> zen: On Ubuntu, it is nearly the same as su
[06:57] <raz0r> i didnt know that ^^
[06:57] <Hirvinen> j__: Wtf?
[06:57] <DeadFishMan> zen: If you really want to use su, then you need to give the root user a password first
[06:57] <j__> Hirvinen: yup
[06:57] <Jucato> zen: I suggest you learn to use "sudo" first
[06:57] <raz0r> deadfish ??
[06:57] <raz0r> got msn ?
[06:58] <zen> but i can't understand why in other distros root password works as u tipe it and not on this ubuntu ones
[06:58] <Jucato> zen: did you read that link??
[06:58] <zen> i did and know how to use su
[06:58] <Jucato> Kubuntu is not like other distros, specially when it comes to the use of sudo
[06:58] <zen> but password neads update on first install
[06:58] <zen> so boring
[06:58] <DeadFishMan> raz0r: I don't see the reason to use MSN instead of this channel :)
[06:59] <Jucato> zen: then you should have read Ubuntu's stand on why they use sudo instead of enabling a root account
[06:59] <raz0r> so we dont get concidered as spam ;)
[06:59] <Jucato> raz0r: support questions related to Kubuntu is not spam
[06:59] <raz0r> oh ^^
[06:59] <DeadFishMan> raz0r: Don't worry about that. As long as you are polite and pacient, there will be people here willing to help :)
[06:59] <raz0r> sure...im both of that
[06:59] <raz0r> promise ^^
[07:00] <raz0r> but how can we do then :S
[07:00] <Dr_willis> layers of security and the arguments that we all love. :)
[07:00] <CSonicGo> heh, I got doom to compile on linux
[07:01] <CSonicGo> there goes my free time :)
[07:01] <Dr_willis> to su, or not to su... lets move on to the next question.
[07:01] <Jucato> Dr_willis: let's not confuse the poor beginner :)
[07:01] <Jucato> (to Kubuntu)
[07:01] <zen> ok i finaly got in so how u update menu whit programs that don't show from console?
[07:01] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  :)
[07:01] <raz0r> it's the same sum...so ehm...is it my archiver ?
[07:01] <Jucato> zen: if the program is a command line app/utility, it will never show in K Menu unless you add it
[07:02] <Jucato> raz0r: check if you have gzip installed
[07:02] <raz0r> i dont
[07:02] <mena> Friends How can i Make Sn Iso File
[07:02] <Dr_willis> hmm - still some bugglets going on where a program's icon isent shoding up in the K menu untill ya logout/backin eh?
[07:02] <raz0r> got 2 archivers
[07:02] <mena> An*
[07:02] <zen> ok that's what i want to do how u add it?
[07:02] <raz0r> Ark and the other one
[07:02] <Dr_willis> mena,  i use k3b for my cd/dvd burning needs.
[07:02] <Jucato> raz0r: are you sure? just check please
[07:02] <zen> i nead to add anti rootkit and shorewall
[07:02] <raz0r> how
[07:02] <mena> Dr_willis, Can I do Iso FIle Throught It
[07:02] <Jucato> raz0r: um... in Adept?
[07:03] <raz0r> Adept ?? :D
[07:03] <Dr_willis> mena,  yes. try it and see.
[07:03] <mena> Dr_willis, okay i will thanks for your help
[07:03] <Jucato> raz0r: um.. the Package Manager
[07:04] <raz0r> got an archivemanager named "Arkivhanteraren" and that's the same...and i got Ark
[07:04] <raz0r> that's the two i can choose between
[07:04] <Jucato> raz0r: can you search for "gzip"?
[07:04] <Dr_willis> mena,  hmm..i just cant see how to do it right now. :) i recall doing it befor with k3b.
[07:05] <zen> jucato can u give me a site where to update adept repository couse really dosen't have nothing in it vs other distros as fedora or debian suse
[07:05] <raz0r> no...
[07:05] <raz0r> none
[07:05] <raz0r> nothing
[07:05] <Jucato> raz0r: hm... in console, try this: sudo apt-get install gzip
[07:06] <Jucato> zen: if you enable the correct repositories, you will have access to over 20,000+ packages
[07:06] <zen> ok how u do that?
[07:06] <Jucato> !repositories | zen
[07:06] <ubotu> zen: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:06] <zen> that's what i nead thanx
[07:06] <mena> Dr_willis, Okay
[07:06] <raz0r> no longer used ?? nvidia-kernel-common
[07:06] <Dr_willis> mena,  when you 'burn' use the 'only create image' option.
[07:06] <Jucato> raz0r: ignore that for now
[07:06] <raz0r> use "apt-get autoremove" to remove em
[07:06] <Dr_willis> mena,  then under the image tab - tell it where to write the image to.
[07:06] <DeadFishMan> zen: After enabling the universe/multiverse repositories, you may need to check the unsupported option on Adept so that you can see all the packages available
[07:06] <Jucato> raz0r: I said ignore that for now
[07:07] <raz0r> 76 not upgraded
[07:07] <Jucato> DeadFishMan: not in Adept, in Add/Remove
[07:07] <Jucato> (Adept Installer actually)
[07:07] <mena> Dr_willis, Okay i will se it right now
[07:07] <DeadFishMan> Jucato: Yep, Add/Remove... Sorry about that! :)
[07:07] <raz0r> rest of em 0...
[07:07] <Jucato> raz0r: does it install gzip, or does it say that gzip is already the latest version?
[07:07] <raz0r> 2nd alternative
[07:08] <Jucato> raz0r: that means gzip is installed... what error message (please translate in English) do you get when you ran the "gunzip UT.....run.gz" command?
[07:08] <zen> ok first i do this enabling brb
[07:08] <zen> thanx
[07:08] <raz0r> it's the latest  version
[07:08] <zen> btw it's better i use shorewall or firestarter for kubuntu u tell ?
[07:08] <Jucato> raz0r: how about the gunzip command????
[07:09] <raz0r> unexpected end of file
[07:09] <DeadFishMan> Jucato: That file MUST be corrupted somehow even if it matches the md5sum check.... :S
[07:09] <Jucato> raz0r: hm.. something's wrong with the file... you sure the md5sum output matches?
[07:09] <Dr_willis> zen,  may want to check out their wiki/docs/homepages - see what one has the features you need.
[07:10] <raz0r> send yours again
[07:10] <DeadFishMan> raz0r: f72f55d1d9b5682408e36d8b0689e857
[07:10] <Jucato> raz0r: paste here the result of the md5sum command
[07:11] <Jucato> md5sum UT2004-----.run.gz
[07:11] <raz0r> f72f55d1d9b5682408e36d8b0689e857
[07:11] <DeadFishMan> Amazing... It is the same
[07:11] <raz0r> yeah...that's the problem :S
[07:11] <Jucato> hm.. weird
[07:11] <raz0r> :S:S:S:S:S
[07:11] <Jucato> my download is almost finished...
[07:11] <raz0r> im really confused....
[07:12] <raz0r> ;D
[07:12] <raz0r> lol
[07:12] <raz0r> never seen it before
[07:12] <raz0r> +
[07:12] <raz0r> ??*
[07:12] <Jucato> nevah
[07:12] <sot1984> can anyone tell me how i can restart in vga mode?
[07:12] <Jucato> I'm the gamer type... just not the First Person Anything type
[07:12] <Jucato> er.. not even sure what UT is
[07:12] <Jucato> I mean what type :P
[07:12] <raz0r> i mostly use UT on windows...but i HATE Xp...vista...2k etc
[07:12] <DeadFishMan> Well... I gotta go... See you later, guys!
[07:13] <zen> ok done it's updating the repository very easy thanx then what i have to do?
[07:13] <Jucato> zen: then look for what you want to install and install! :)
[07:14] <Jucato> !install
[07:14] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[07:14] <Jucato> er...
[07:14] <zen> great ahah here is amsn
[07:14] <raz0r> done soon ?
[07:14] <raz0r> how many percent ?
[07:14] <Jucato> yep.. in a minite
[07:14] <blindside> hey guys
[07:14] <zen> wow im starting to love kubuntu does fedora have so many programs ?
[07:14] <Jucato> minute
[07:14] <blindside> anyone know how to fix overbright ati card?
[07:14] <raz0r> 0 operators ...351 nicknames
[07:14] <Jucato> zen: I presume it does
[07:14] <Jucato> raz0r: the ops are just hidden
[07:15] <zen> well debian has over 20.000 who can compete
[07:15] <blindside> anyone know how to make ati card not so bright after install?
[07:15] <Dr_willis> blindside,  theres gamma settings in the kde control center somewhere.
[07:15] <h3sp4wn> zen: fedora rawhide is the most upto date distro of them all
[07:15] <zen> btw i diden't do this part jucato how u do this  zen: After enabling the universe/multiverse repositories, you may need to check the unsupported option on Adept so that you can see all the packages available?
[07:16] <humboldt> do you guys know, why evms did not make it into ubuntu yet?
[07:16] <sot1984> can anyone tell me how i can restart in vga mode?
[07:16] <zen> i see h3
[07:16] <Jucato> raz0r: guess what?
[07:16] <humboldt> I mean the installer (at least the alternate installer)
[07:16] <Jucato> sot1984: what is vga mode?
[07:16] <blindside> damn even on lowest its way too bright
[07:16] <raz0r> jucato: what :P
[07:16] <Dr_willis> sot1984,  you mean boot to the console?
[07:16] <Jucato> raz0r: unexpected end of file :)
[07:16] <raz0r> damn
[07:16] <BluesKaj> blindside, sys/settings /monitor&dispaly/gamma tab
[07:16] <raz0r> does it work with the bz2 file then ??
[07:16] <zen> im missing one part do here this unsupporter option on adept nead to know how u enable it
[07:17] <sot1984> i want to install the grafics card driver
[07:17] <blindside> yeah i know BluesKaj, i put it on lowest
[07:17] <BluesKaj> bummer
[07:17] <humboldt> Wouldn't EVMS be the a great alternative for the way LVM and RAID are currently managed?
[07:17] <Dr_willis> sot1984,  ive not had to go to the console to install them - in ages...
[07:17] <Jucato> raz0r: that one is for Mac, it won't
[07:17] <blindside> i think its a bug in the drivers
[07:17] <raz0r> damn
[07:17] <sot1984> i want to install the grafics card driver does anyone knows how can i do it?
[07:17] <blindside> thats specific to this kind of card :(
[07:17] <raz0r> i HATE the file
[07:17] <Jucato> sot1984: what graphics card?
[07:17] <Dr_willis> sot1984,  what drivers for what card? check out !nvidia and !ati
[07:17] <humboldt> there are even GUIs available for EVMS (ncurses and X)
[07:17] <blindside> !ati
[07:17] <sot1984> nvidia geforce 7800
[07:17] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:17] <raz0r> so i cant do anything with that one ?
[07:18] <zen>  zen: After enabling the universe/multiverse repositories, you may need to check the unsupported option on Adept so that you can see all the packages available how u do that jucato?
[07:18] <Jucato> !nvidia | sot1984
[07:18] <ubotu> sot1984: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:18] <zen> btw im istalling everything now thanx firestarter to
[07:18] <Jucato> zen: are you using the Add/Remove Programs or Adept Manager?
[07:18] <BluesKaj> blindside, what about your monitor  , have you tried turning the brightness down on it
[07:18] <mace__> how can i get my wlan work with WPA2 key? cant find any options
[07:18] <zen> yes
[07:18] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: what's the exact command you used? gunzip UT-blahblah.run.gz??
[07:18] <Jucato> zen: yes what?
[07:18] <zen> yes jucato why?
[07:18] <blindside> yeah BluesKaj but the brightnes was fine ebfore install, and also on windows
[07:18] <zen> im removing to why?
[07:19] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: Didn't work because the .run needs to be chmod +x
[07:19] <Jucato> zen: are you using the Add/Remove Programs or Adept Manager? <--- I was asking what program you are using
[07:19] <blindside> it dusnt reallly adjust right since it sthe gamma setting :S
[07:19] <zen> adept
[07:19] <zen> sorry
[07:19] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: but to unzip it?
[07:19] <zen> jesus the stuff it has now im lost ahah
[07:19] <BluesKaj> check the drivers for your monitor in sys settings
[07:19] <Jucato> zen: you don't have to check any "unsupported" option. it shows all packages available
[07:20] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: the gunzip command didn't work?
[07:20] <zen> perfect but if debian has over all programs how can even fedora that is 2 best distro ever compete whit it that's rpm?
[07:20] <Jucato> rawr.. also getting an unexpected EOF here
[07:20] <zen> maby has updates but debian is debian over 20.000
[07:21] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: The gunzip command worked but the | didn't
[07:21] <zen> i got so much stuff i can't even read it now from adept ahah nead ages to check it all out
[07:21] <Jucato> h3sp4wn: strange... couldn't get it to unzip...
[07:21] <Jucato> zen: usually, you don't got through each package in the list... :)
[07:21] <mena> Dr_Willis, I need to mount the iso file do you know how
[07:22] <Jucato> gunzip I mean...
[07:22] <animimotus> how can I switch the general sound output to my usb headset?
[07:22] <Dr_willis> !loop
[07:22] <raz0r> so h3sp4wn did get it to work ?
[07:22] <animimotus> the headset is recongnize by a lsusb
[07:22] <mace__> how can i get my wlan work with WPA2 key? cant find any options
[07:22] <zen> i activated firestarter now i just set what i nead in it and then will be just as a xp firewall right does all himself?
[07:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about loop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:22] <Dr_willis> mena,  mount command and the 'loop' options.. google for 'mount iso file linux' should show examples
[07:22] <Dr_willis> !iso
[07:22] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[07:23] <Jucato> !firestarter | zen
[07:23] <ubotu> zen: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[07:23] <Dr_willis> mena,  "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>"    (make the mountpoint first)
[07:23] <Xera> hmm
[07:23] <Jucato> !iso | mena
[07:23] <ubotu> mena: To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[07:23] <Jucato> Dr_willis: that one ^^^^???
[07:23] <mena> Dr_willis, okay i will see that
[07:23] <Xera> i got a dvd writer for my bday, but linux doesn't pick it up.. any tips?
[07:24] <zen> fine im shocked on how fast kubuntu is as im 64 bit amd 3000
[07:24] <zen> it's so fast it's hard to catch it up
[07:24] <Xera> it's a Samsung writemaster btw
[07:24] <blindside> man this brightness crap is pissing me off
[07:24] <blindside> how to acess ati control panel again?
[07:25] <Jucato> g'night!
[07:25] <Dr_willis> Gee - i just perphrials->mounitor/ and the gamma tab. :) be sure to go into administator mode.
[07:25] <zen> ok jucato this is to hard for me that's why i putted firestarter and set it so it does all alone when im better whit unix i can touch iptable
[07:27] <Xera> uh wtf
[07:27] <Xera> can't k3b handle mp3?
[07:27] <Xera> _._
[07:27] <zen> what is skip redundant events for and should i keep it on or off in firestarter?
[07:27] <Dr_willis> Xera,  that qnestion is answered on the Kubuntu FAQ
[07:27] <Dr_willis> Xera,  theres a package you need to install.
[07:28] <Xera> well what formats does it handle?
[07:28] <Xera> i just wanna test if i can burn something
[07:28] <Xera> lol
[07:28] <Dr_willis> No idea.. ive only used mp3 and ogg.
[07:28] <zen> brb
[07:28] <Dr_willis> i imagine it can handle wav also.
[07:28] <Xera> ooooooooooh
[07:28] <Xera> it does pick it up
[07:28] <Xera> =D
[07:29] <Xera> hmm
[07:29] <Xera> but doesn't burn
[07:29] <Xera> XD
[07:30] <Xera> :-( Failed to change write speed: 2770->3324
[07:30] <Dr_willis> rerun that k3b setup tool perhaps?
[07:30] <Xera> what setup tool?
[07:30] <Xera> lol
[07:30] <Xera> it came installed
[07:30] <Dr_willis> its in the menus
[07:30] <Dr_willis> the k3b menus
[07:30] <Xera> hmm
[07:31] <Xera> i guess my dvd burner doesn't support 1x
[07:31] <Xera> lol
[07:31] <Xera> now it says it's written
[07:31] <Xera> but my drive isn't displayed in konqueror
[07:31] <Xera> ;/
[07:32] <surgy> how do i check if i have libgpod module installed?
[07:33] <K-Ryan> !fglrx
[07:33] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:33] <K-Ryan> Ubotu is back!
[07:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is back! - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:33] <K-Ryan> !botsnack
[07:33] <ubotu> Yum!
[07:33] <Xera> damn that trumpet sound is so annoying
[07:34] <surgy> how do i check if libgpod is installed?
[07:36] <Xera> >.<
[07:36] <Xera> w00
[07:36] <Xera> it works
[07:36] <Xera> :>
[07:42] <Xera> hmm
[07:49] <tanlaan> hello everyone
[07:51] <ubuntu> what is cracking_
[07:52] <tanlaan> ubuntu: why does that matter? and in what context
[07:52] <K-Ryan> where is xorg.conf located?
[07:52] <sampan> after my last reboot, a usb hd has stopped being detected by kubuntu.  doesn't show up auto-mounted in konq ... my windows laptop sees it just fine though
[07:52] <Tobias_2> hello all nice buntu people:)
[07:53] <sampan> k-ryan  locate xorg.conf  in konsole will show you
[07:53] <surgy> what is the mount command for an external media device?
[07:54] <surgy> sudo mount %d ?
[07:54] <heinkel_111> does anyone have any experience with nano being slow to start?
[07:54] <heinkel_111> i go: sudo nano myfile
[07:54] <tanlaan> heinkel_111: nope, works nice and fast for me
[07:55] <heinkel_111> and it takes a long time, like something may be locking access
[07:55] <sampan> heh, okay, so now NO usb devices are being mounted by kubnutu ... anyone want to help get my usb working again?
[07:55] <Xera> ftw is kubnutu?
[07:55] <Xera> XXD
[07:55] <hatta> lol
[07:55] <soulrider> hi everyone
[07:55] <tanlaan> oh, does anyone know where one might find drivers for a wireless card? I found that my wired pcmcia card works fine, but my wireless wont power on.
[07:56] <soulrider> FTW = for the win :P
[07:56] <BluesKaj> hey soulrider
[07:56] <soulrider> hu BluesKaj
[07:56] <Xera> ftw also means fuck the what
[07:56] <Xera> like "FUCK TEH WHAT IS THAT"
[07:56] <tanlaan> sampan: you may need to manually mount them :\
[07:56] <sebbar> how do I turn off the program preview in kicker? can't find it
[07:56] <gnomefreak> Xera: watch your language
[07:56] <Dr_willis> !calc 75 * 52
[07:56] <ubotu> calc: An advanced calculator and mathematical tool for Emacs.. In component main, is optional. Version 2.02f-28 (edgy), package size 1371 kB, installed size 5320 kB
[07:56] <Xera> gnomefreak: ;o sorry
[07:56] <BluesKaj> !ndsiwrapper
[07:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ndsiwrapper - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:57] <Xera> !myInternetSucks
[07:57] <BluesKaj> oops wrong spelling again
[07:57] <sebbar> ok found it
[07:57] <gnomefreak> !ndiswrapper
[07:57] <sampan> tanlaan  well i didn't until just an hour ago when i rebooted after/during a hard-lockup -- so i'm guessing something is hosed
[07:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about myInternetSucks - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:57] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:59] <BluesKaj> !ndiswrapper
[07:59] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:59] <BluesKaj> hehe
[08:00] <K-Chris> Hey guys it's K-Ryan, on my friend's laptop though
[08:01] <K-Ryan> I'm setting up his opengl stuff with fglrx
[08:01] <K-Chris> But it doesn't seem to be going right.
[08:01] <K-Chris> His laptop is running an Ati Radeon Xpress 1150
[08:01] <tanlaan> can anyone help me identify the chipset of my wireless card? If I remember right, I believe it was bcm43xx. But I dont know if thats right.
[08:02] <tanlaan> My wireless card is a Buffalo High Power g Wireless Card
[08:03] <HymnToLife> tanlaan, is it PCI or USB ?
[08:04] <Dr_willis> tanlaan,  try 'lspci' yet ?
[08:04] <tanlaan> Dr_willis: never mind i figured out how to find out if it was, and it was
[08:04] <tanlaan> lol
[08:04] <tanlaan> Dr_willis: i used  lspci | grep Broadcom\ Corporation
[08:05] <Dr_willis> !810
[08:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 810 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:05] <Dr_willis> !intel
[08:05] <anatoliy> hey guys what is the difference between grep and locate or find
[08:05] <Dr_willis> whats the factoid for the intel 810 chipset video cards.. heh
[08:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:05] <Dr_willis> grep searches text files.
[08:05] <Dr_willis> locate/find normally search the filesystem.
[08:05] <HymnToLife> !ubotu | Dr_willis
[08:05] <ubotu> Dr_willis: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[08:05] <Dr_willis> locate uses a database thats updated every so often
[08:06] <anatoliy> Dr_willis: thank you
[08:06] <Dr_willis> find has so many options/features - its... scary . :)
[08:06] <h3sp4wn> ubotu: know anything useful yet ?
[08:06] <tanlaan> dang it :(((, the guide I was using just basically told me that everyone who the guid didnt work for was using my wireless card D:
[08:06] <Dr_willis> !search 810
[08:07] <ubotu> Found: 0x40001d-#ubuntu-xgl
[08:08] <surgy> where is the device manager?
[08:08] <Dr_willis> device manager is a windows thang. :) theres a few similer tools out however.
[08:08] <tanlaan> adept in Kubuntu uses the Ubuntu repositories doesnt it?
[08:09] <Dr_willis> tanlaan,  kubuntu and ubuntu and most of the *ubuntu variants use the same repos - yes.
[08:09] <surgy> dr_willis: im looking for something to tell me if my ipod is mounted. if not i need to get it mounted so that i can point amarok at it
[08:09] <Dr_willis> surgy,  try the 'mount' command in a shell. :)
[08:09] <Dr_willis> surgy,  or perhaps kinfocenter
[08:10] <tanlaan> Dr_willis: thank you, just making sure
[08:11] <soulrider> does anyone know if its posible to connect a laptop screen and keyboard to a PC ?
[08:11] <surgy> dr_willis: "ipod" shows up in kinfocenter under usb devices, i assume that means its working, but i dont see a mount point
[08:13] <surgy> dr_willis: how do i mount "ipod"
[08:15] <unix_infidel> !ipod | surgy
[08:15] <ubotu> surgy: For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[08:16] <unix_infidel> soulrider: what do you mean laptop screen and keyboard to a pc?
[08:16] <soulrider> well, i have a broken laptop with a working keyboard and screen
[08:16] <soulrider> i wanna eb able to use them on my PC
[08:16] <unix_infidel> soulrider: broken how?
[08:16] <soulrider> well
[08:16] <soulrider> i was open
[08:16] <soulrider> and there was a leak on the roof
[08:16] <unix_infidel> as in it wont boot?
[08:17] <soulrider> and it got filled with water
[08:17] <surgy> unix_infidel: that doesnt help, amarok says that my ipod isnt mounted, and it wont automaticly add it
[08:17] <soulrider> quite literally
[08:17] <Xera> damn it
[08:17] <Xera> i got a copy of nero6 with my dvdr
[08:17] <Xera> but it's for windows, and has no key -.-
[08:17] <soulrider> Xera: use k3b :P
[08:17] <unix_infidel> soulrider: nope. you can find an adapter for the LCD but that's a waste of time.  It's better to sell the thing for parts.
[08:17] <Xera> soulrider: it sucks
[08:17] <soulrider> Xera: it shouldnt ask for one
[08:17] <Xera> nub
[08:17] <Xera> i dled the linux version from the website
[08:17] <Xera> but it needs a key
[08:18] <soulrider> unix_infidel: and the keyboard
[08:18] <soulrider> ?
[08:18] <Xera> i have a legal copy, but it has no damn key
[08:18] <Xera> XD
[08:18] <Xera> there's some numbers on the front but they don't work
[08:18] <Xera> ;/
[08:18] <soulrider> lol
[08:18] <unix_infidel> soulrider: unless you are good at soldering i'd say just chop the laptop and sell it for parts.
[08:18] <soulrider> why would you want nero anyways
[08:18] <Xera> "OEM version for sale with DVD Writer only."
[08:18] <Xera> oem?
[08:18] <soulrider> yeah
[08:18] <soulrider> thats manufacturer or something
[08:18] <soulrider> its supposed to only work in windows with that writer
[08:19] <soulrider> lol unix_infidel
[08:19] <h3sp4wn> Xera: If you have a windows installation you could find it in the registery
[08:19] <Xera> h3sp4wn: windows is broken XD
[08:20] <surgy> is there an entry i need to make in fstab?
[08:20] <h3sp4wn> Xera: I wouldn't use it anyway
[08:20] <Xera> well i would
[08:20] <Xera> lol
[08:20] <Xera> maybe i could wine it
[08:20] <Xera> then get it from the wine registry
[08:20] <Xera> hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[08:20] <soulrider> Xera: just use k3b :P
[08:20] <Xera> if the damn dvdr would eject
[08:21] <Xera> soulrider: no
[08:21] <Xera> it sucks
[08:21] <Xera> it won't even format a dvd properly
[08:21] <soulrider> it doesnt
[08:21] <Xera> the files are still there
[08:21] <Xera> _._
[08:21] <soulrider> what kind of DVD? R or RW? :P
[08:21] <h3sp4wn> Xera: Try one from google 1A23-0096-5034-8999-8052-2067 for example
[08:21] <Xera> soulrider: rw ofc
[08:21] <Xera> h3sp4wn: lol
[08:21] <Xera> should you really be putting that in this channel?
[08:21] <Xera> xD
[08:22] <h3sp4wn> Xera: google has to be ok
[08:22] <surgy> ok so my hard drives are "sda" and "sdb" so what whould my ipod be?
[08:22] <soulrider> sdc
[08:22] <h3sp4wn> Xera: it can do no evil etc etc
[08:22] <Xera> h3sp4wn: lol
[08:22] <Dr_willis> surgy,  i would guess sdc.. but other usb gizmos may be in there.
[08:23] <soulrider> i dont get it, i got over 800 mb of free RAM, but for 31 mb or my swap used...
[08:23] <Xera> wow, it worked..
[08:23] <Xera> lol
[08:23] <Dr_willis> surgy,  look in /media/  and media:/  - it may be accessed via /media/ipod
[08:23] <fdoving> soulrider: swap doesn't behave like you would think. it's smarter :)
[08:23] <soulrider> lol, ok fdoving
[08:23] <fdoving> soulrider: search kerneltrap.org for swap.
[08:23] <fdoving> if you want more info.
[08:23] <soulrider> i was thinking of buying another GB of ram for my pc... but i dont really play games anymore... its knida pointless
[08:23] <surgy> dr_willis: its not in media, im gonna try to add it to my fstab, dont know what im doing but im gonna try it anyways
[08:24] <h3sp4wn> soulrider: the -ck patches have a swap prefetch function which is good
[08:24] <Dr_willis> surgy,  try media:
[08:24] <surgy> dr_willis: i looked in my media folder its not there only my cdrom and my windows hard drive is in media
[08:24] <Dr_willis> surgy,  try media:/ i mean. :)
[08:24] <Xera> hurrrrrrrrr
[08:24] <Dr_willis> not the /media folder.  media:/ is special./
[08:24] <Xera> i started the installer
[08:24] <Xera> it gives me my key
[08:24] <Xera> XD
[08:25] <soulrider> is there a way to have a program allways on RAM so it loads faster? :P
[08:25] <Xera> unpussible
[08:25] <Dr_willis> soulrider,  going back to DOS days aint we?
[08:25] <surgy> dr_willis: "bash: media:/: No such file or directory"
[08:25] <Xera> newb
[08:25] <soulrider> lol, hwy Dr_willis? i was too young when i used DOS
[08:25] <Xera> in konqueror
[08:25] <Xera> _._
[08:25] <Xera> or cd /media
[08:25] <Xera> -.-
[08:26] <surgy> man its not in /media!
[08:26] <bxnp> hi everybody
[08:26] <Dr_willis> surgy,  dont use media:/ from the shell.. use it from konwueror
[08:26] <[BTF] Chm0d> can you tell me where the $KDEDIR is located?
[08:26] <[BTF] Chm0d> or what it is
[08:26] <Xera> [BTF] Chm0d: ~/.kde
[08:26] <surgy> dr_willis: yeah all thats there is my two hard drives
[08:27] <Dr_willis> i thought $KDEDIR was the system wide dir where the kde stuff wa installed to.
[08:27] <Dr_willis> surgy,  in 'theory' it should show up thee when plugged in.
[08:27] <Xera> how do i show the permissions of a drive?
[08:27] <Xera> ls -?
[08:27] <gnomefreak> [BTF] Chm0d: just make the dir. ~/.kde/share/autostart/panel.desktop and edit the file to read whats in the box
[08:27] <Xera> ah
[08:28] <Xera> nvm found it
[08:28] <surgy> dr_willis: i know but for some reason its not auto mounting, so ive been trying to figure out how to manually mount it and then tell it to auto mount any time its plugged in after i get to there i will be able to open it in amarok
[08:28] <Dr_willis> Xera,  a windows drive - permissions are set when its mounted.
[08:28] <heinkel_111> blah, i am following the ubuntu guide on how to set up nis
[08:28] <Xera> Dr_willis: no
[08:28] <Dr_willis> Xera,  for ext2/3 its the files/dirs on the drive that have permissions settings.
[08:28] <heinkel_111> and in the final stage my superuser seems to lock up
[08:28] <Xera> nero couldn't access the dvd driv
[08:28] <[BTF] Chm0d> i get an error gnomefreak
[08:28] <Xera> drive*
[08:28] <Xera> lol
[08:28] <gnomefreak> [BTF] Chm0d: i went through and made a folder in ~/.kde/share named autostart and than made a file panel.desktop
[08:28] <[BTF] Chm0d> i did what it asked me to do
[08:28] <gnomefreak> [BTF] Chm0d: i also did thats why i did it manually
[08:28] <Dr_willis> Xera,  dvd. heh - not sure there. that may be more of a /dev/ permission or group permission.
[08:28] <gnomefreak> and it works here now
[08:29] <Xera> Dr_willis: nvm i found it
[08:29] <surgy> dr_willis: can you help me mount it and then auto mount any time its plugged in?
[08:29] <Xera> ;p
[08:29] <Dr_willis> gnomefreak,  the name is " .kde/Autostart "  i thought.
[08:29] <daseeb> hi
[08:29] <[BTF] Chm0d> ahh so it isn't capitalized?
[08:29] <Dr_willis> ~/.kde/Autostart
[08:30] <[BTF] Chm0d> should be /.kde/autostart?
[08:30] <Dr_willis> it IS capatolized :)
[08:30] <[BTF] Chm0d> hmm
[08:30] <[BTF] Chm0d> well mine was
[08:30] <fdoving> !autostart
[08:30] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[08:30] <gnomefreak> [BTF] Chm0d: i used nautilus but you can use konq. in the same way. open konq and navagate to ~/.kde/share than right click and make folder name the folder autostart than open autostart and right clikc make text file and name it panel.desktop
[08:30] <[BTF] Chm0d> and i created a file panel.desktop with the folloing
[08:30] <[BTF] Chm0d> [Desktop Entry] 
[08:30] <gnomefreak> than edit the panel.desktop file to have those 2 lines in it
[08:30] <[BTF] Chm0d> hidden=true
[08:30] <[BTF] Chm0d> lemme tell you what error i get
[08:30] <[BTF] Chm0d> brb
[08:31] <gnomefreak> [BTF] Chm0d: no file with that name
[08:31] <Dr_willis> Autostart is not n .kde/share - its in .kde/     from what ive seen
[08:31] <gnomefreak> Dr_willis: you make ~/.kde/share/sutostart
[08:31] <gnomefreak> autostrart
[08:31] <daseeb> is there a possibility to create a kubuntu live usb harddisk. I read a lot of installing kubuntu on a usb harddisk. But what I want is to get a real Live system that recognizes and boots on nearly every hardware like a kubuntu live CD
[08:31] <gnomefreak> than make the file panel.desktop in ~/.kde/share/sutostart
[08:32] <Dr_willis> gnomefreak,  and how is that diffrent from .kde/Autostart ?
[08:32] <gnomefreak> im sure mk ~/.kde/share/autostart/panel.desktop works too
[08:32] <Dr_willis> heh.
[08:32] <[BTF] Chm0d> The desktop entry file /home/rich/.kde/Autostart/panel.desktop has no Type=... entry.
[08:32] <[BTF] Chm0d> thats my error
[08:32] <gnomefreak> Dr_willis: for all users maybe?
[08:32] <Dr_willis> we need a RFC for Autostart dirs!
[08:32] <gnomefreak> [BTF] Chm0d: i told you how to do it.. Make each place seperate
[08:32] <gnomefreak> [BTF] Chm0d: are you on kde or gnome atm?
[08:33] <[BTF] Chm0d> kde
[08:33] <[BTF] Chm0d> what do you mean each place separate?
[08:33] <Dr_willis> ive only used simple shell scripts in my Autostart dirs
[08:33] <gnomefreak> [BTF] Chm0d: open konq home dir
[08:33] <[BTF] Chm0d> its open
[08:33] <Xera> ok, this is probably illegal but. i own a legal copy of windows, but dell didn't give me a windows disc.. and windows is broken.. so i need a disc(ofc), could someone give me a link to a download?
[08:33] <gnomefreak> [BTF] Chm0d: open .kde
[08:33] <fdoving> Xera: no, we can not.
[08:33] <[BTF] Chm0d> open
[08:33] <gnomefreak> [BTF] Chm0d: ok now open share
[08:33] <Xera> fdoving: i own a legal copy ;(
[08:33] <Dr_willis> Xera,  Your serial # may or may not work with those torrent site disks.
[08:34] <Dr_willis> Xera,  depening if its a 'restore' or a actual install disk.
[08:34] <Xera> >:
[08:34] <[BTF] Chm0d> open
[08:34] <gnomefreak> [BTF] Chm0d: inside share right click on an empty area and click make folder
[08:34] <Xera> i need a restore disc i guess
[08:34] <[BTF] Chm0d> the folder is in share?
[08:34] <zen> ok back
[08:34] <[BTF] Chm0d> thought it was just autostart
[08:34] <gnomefreak> name the folder autostart
[08:34] <[BTF] Chm0d> thats my problem
[08:34] <gnomefreak> [BTF] Chm0d: make the folder
[08:34] <gnomefreak> [BTF] Chm0d: just follow what i tell you to do and in 1 minute you will have it working
[08:35] <[BTF] Chm0d> done
[08:35] <[BTF] Chm0d> go ahead
[08:35] <gnomefreak> now open the folder you just made named autostart
[08:36] <[BTF] Chm0d> yep
[08:36] <gnomefreak> right click and click on create new text file
[08:36] <[BTF] Chm0d> yep
[08:36] <gnomefreak> name the text file panel.desktop
[08:36] <[BTF] Chm0d> k
[08:36] <zen> ok i nead to know how to set ubuntu resolution optimal i got a 17 `lcd now it's set 10280x1024 75 hz but gives me eye pain if im not light on how do i have to set resolution?
[08:36] <zen> kubuntu*
[08:36] <gnomefreak> [BTF] Chm0d: now edit the file to have those 2 lines in it
[08:36] <gnomefreak> [BTF] Chm0d: restart kde :)
[08:36] <[BTF] Chm0d> k done
[08:36] <[BTF] Chm0d> brb
[08:37] <[BTF] Chm0d> exact same error
[08:38] <zen> any one can help on what i asked?
[08:38] <gnomefreak> you shouldnt get any error.
[08:38] <Dr_willis> zen,  you install the video card driver for your video card yet?
[08:38] <zen> no as i got nvidia 7900GS has drivers just for xp
[08:39] <Dr_willis> zen,  time to install the drivers then.
[08:39] <Dr_willis> !nvidia
[08:39] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:39] <[BTF] Chm0d> well i got rid of that error but still have the panel?
[08:39] <zen> ok how i do that i nead u help me 1 time on linux
[08:39] <gnomefreak> [BTF] Chm0d: open ~/.kde/share/autostart/panel.desktop
[08:39] <[BTF] Chm0d> tis open
[08:39] <gnomefreak> [BTF] Chm0d: is anything in it?
[08:39] <zen> can u do it whit adept click?
[08:39] <Xera> hmm
[08:39] <[BTF] Chm0d> yes those two lines
[08:39] <Xera> apparently because i edited the partition table my dell restore partition won't boot
[08:40] <heinkel_111> ehm...
[08:40] <gnomefreak> [BTF] Chm0d: and your sure its /.kde/share/autostart not ~/.kde/autostart
[08:40] <Xera> is there anyway to force it to boot? (wrong channel i know) >:
[08:40] <[BTF] Chm0d> yep
[08:40] <Xera> i tried telling grub to boot it
[08:40] <Xera> but it won't
[08:40] <gnomefreak> [BTF] Chm0d: are the words int he panel.desktop file highlighted?
[08:41] <gnomefreak> [BTF] Chm0d: and you did use all lowercase for folders and files?
[08:41] <[BTF] Chm0d> desktop entry is in bold and hidden is brown
[08:41] <[BTF] Chm0d> yes
[08:41] <heinkel_111> can someone help me, i have a login failure ... the whole login system apparently became corrupted as I was trying to set up nis..sudo: pam_authenticate: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info..
[08:41] <zen> so what drivers i must use for my nvidia 7900GS as they are only for xp general ones?
[08:42] <gnomefreak> it worked here :(
[08:42] <heinkel_111> but to redo changes i have to come in with a sudo, but i can't get a password check...see the dilemma :S
[08:42] <Schuenemann> how do I install ClearLooks and QtCurved?
[08:42] <Schuenemann> !clearlooks
[08:42] <[BTF] Chm0d> panel gone now
[08:42] <[BTF] Chm0d> second time a charm
[08:42] <heinkel_111> this was one instance where a true root shell would have been helpful
[08:42] <shinigami> hi how do i check which version of kubuntu i'm using in the terminal?
[08:42] <gnomefreak> ;)
[08:43] <zen> isen't there a easy way to get nvidia drivers for 7900GS whit adept im lost
[08:43] <Paul-Way> Hi.. I have problem.. when I'm trying to run some stuff, i get error
[08:43] <Schuenemann> what happened to the bot?
[08:43] <Paul-Way> char-server: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by char-server)
[08:43] <Xera> install glibc
[08:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about clearlooks - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:43] <Xera> from adept
[08:43] <Paul-Way> And there isn't any package named glibc
[08:43] <Xera> !glibc
[08:43] <Xera> lagg0r
[08:43] <Xera> lol
[08:44] <zen> are u speaking to me xera?
[08:44] <Xera> hm?
[08:44] <makuseru> how do i fix the problem of flash objects being ontop of all ojects in a page on Fire Fox
[08:44] <Xera> where?
[08:44] <Xera> !glibc
[08:44] <Paul-Way> !glibc
[08:44] <Paul-Way> What is should do?
[08:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about glibc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:45] <roderyk> I'm trying to compile cl-elephant, and I'm getting errors related to missing libpthread. So I tried to grab libpthread-dev, and I get the following conflict:
[08:45] <roderyk> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libpthread-dev_2.0.7-2ubuntu2_i386.deb (--unpack):
[08:45] <roderyk>  trying to overwrite `/usr/include/pthread.h', which is also in package libc6-dev
[08:45] <HymnToLife> makuseru, you write to Adobe and ask them to make a decent Flash Player for Linux
[08:45] <[BTF] Chm0d> whats cmd for terminal in run box?
[08:45] <makuseru> ha
[08:45] <roderyk> I can't exactly remove libc6-dev since apt-get would want to remove essentially all -dev packages. Any suggestions?
[08:45] <gecko_> hey all
[08:45] <surgy> !mount usb
[08:46] <mirko> who know how to make an ssh tunnel?
[08:46] <DeadFishMan> mirko: For X?
[08:46] <gecko_> i gotta question everyone... im using automatix2... and it wants me to install java... how to i select OK?  it jus says <ok> and i hit enter and nothing happens..is there a special button?
[08:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about glibc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about glibc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:46] <mirko> no for 4712
[08:46] <Paul-Way> HEH.
[08:46] <DeadFishMan> mirko: What is 4712?
[08:47] <mirko> the port to connect to amuled
[08:47] <mirko> with amulegui
[08:47] <HymnToLife> roderyk, so you try to install libpthread-dev via apt or manualli via dpkg ?
[08:47] <roderyk> via apt
[08:47] <HymnToLife> hmm
[08:47] <roderyk> I suppose I could try manual overriding, but sounds like a bug...
[08:47] <DeadFishMan> mirko: Dunno. Does it support encrypted connections in the first place?
[08:48] <HymnToLife> yep
[08:48] <ubotu> mount: Tools for mounting and manipulating filesystems. In component main, is required. Version 2.12r-11ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 179 kB, installed size 400 kB
[08:48] <mirko> no, it doesn't
[08:48] <HymnToLife> sounds like somethong you should file a BR for
[08:48] <anatoliy> what is the apt command to search, is it apt search or apt get search
[08:48] <Paul-Way> Wah.
[08:48] <DeadFishMan> anatoliy: apt-cache search <package>
[08:48] <gnomefreak> anatoliy: apt-cache search
[08:48] <HymnToLife> anatoliy, apt-cache search
[08:48] <shinigami> hi how do i check the diskspace of a particular directory? ls -lh only shows indiviual file
[08:48] <Paul-Way> Anybody who knows howto solve the glibc thingie?
[08:48] <DeadFishMan> shinigami: Use du
[08:49] <anatoliy> thank you
[08:49] <gecko_> i gotta question everyone... im using automatix2... and it wants me to install java... how to i select OK?  it jus says <ok> and i hit enter and nothing happens..is there a special button?
[08:49] <DeadFishMan> shinigami: du -h shows the directory size in MBs
[08:49] <BluesKaj> anyone using "kickoff" menu ?
[08:49] <gnomefreak> what command does the menu run to open?
[08:50] <DeadFishMan> !filelight
[08:50] <mirko> thank you deadfishman
[08:51] <DeadFishMan> mirko: You're welcome, mate!
[08:51] <shinigami> yea but du also check the sub directories?
[08:51] <ubotu> filelight: show where your diskspace is being used. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99beta6-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 317 kB, installed size 856 kB
[08:51] <shinigami> can i just check the files only
[08:52] <mirko> thank you
[08:52] <DeadFishMan> shinigami: du will calculate the amount of Mbs that the files are using on a given directory. If you want to see the file sizes individually then you oughta be using ls -l
[08:53] <Schuenemann> how I install ClearLooks GTK2 widget engine?
[08:53] <DeadFishMan> Schuenemann: sudo apt-get install gtk2-engines-clearlooks
[08:54] <shinigami> i want the total of the files.. exclude sub directories
[08:54] <Schuenemann> how do I choose it, after installed?
[08:54] <shinigami> so i shd just.. add one by one?
[08:54] <tanlaan> how can i add something to uboto
[08:54] <Schuenemann> DeadFishMan: I already installed, how do I start using it?
[08:55] <tanlaan> *ubotu
[08:55] <fdoving> tanlaan: what do you want to add?
[08:55] <DeadFishMan> Schuenemann: I don't use Ubuntu but I believe that GNOME has a Gnome Control Center or something along these lines. On Kubuntu, go to Control Center, then Appearance and then GTK styles and Fonts. Choose Clearlooks there.
[08:55] <tanlaan> something on bcm43xx
[08:55] <Schuenemann> I'm using kubuntu dapper
[08:55] <tanlaan> so when you type !bcm43xx it brings up a link
[08:55] <tanlaan> !bcm43xx
[08:55] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:56] <tanlaan> hmm
[08:56] <roderyk> HymnToLife: the BR has been reported already. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pth/+bug/69585   Does that mean that as an Edgy user all I can do is sit and wait?
[08:56] <DeadFishMan> Schuenemann: You can make KDE apps and GNOME apps have a similar look and feel afterwards if you install the package kde-style-klearlook and select it for KDE
[08:56] <Schuenemann> DeadFishMan: I don't see it there,,, there's a new entry, but no text for it
[08:56] <tanlaan> hmm well the link i wanted to add, is in the forums, and it helped me get my wireless card to work
[08:56] <Schuenemann> and choosing it seems the same as Raleigh
[08:56] <manchicken_> tanlaan: Try using DriverLoader from linuxant.  With bcm43xx you have to use non-free software anyway.  Might as well use one that works I suppose.
[08:57] <tanlaan> manchicken: i got it to work
[08:57] <manchicken_> I've never gotten ndiswrapper to work properly.
[08:57] <DeadFishMan> shinigami: du will scan all the directories beneath the current directory recursively but it will print the size for each and everyone of those directories
[08:57] <manchicken_> But that might be since I'm on amd64.
[08:57] <fdoving> tanlaan: i suggest editing the wiki page then.
[08:58] <DeadFishMan> Schuenemann: The I dunno. Try to close the Control Center (or System Settings, whatever) and then reopen it.
[08:58] <fdoving> i use the feisty bcm43xx module, works nicely.
[08:58] <manchicken_> fdoving: mmm, colaboration.
[08:58] <manchicken_> fdoving: The kernel driver with fwcutter KILLED my machine.
[08:58] <manchicken_> fdoving: Like, IRQs were in 4-digits, etc.
[08:58] <tanlaan> fdoving: nevermind, it looks way more than complete already haha
[08:58] <manchicken_> fdoving: But that method is known to be quite unstable for amd64... yet again.
[08:59] <manchicken_> No love for the amd64 brethren.
[08:59] <manchicken_> "Why's everybody always pickin' on me?"
[08:59] <manchicken_> ^_^
[08:59] <manchicken_> FINALLY
[08:59] <fdoving> manchicken_: works nicely on powerpc.
[08:59] <manchicken> fdoving: That's cool.  It doesn't like my amd64 at all.
[09:00] <fdoving> manchicken: are you on feisty?
[09:00] <manchicken> Naw, edgy.
[09:00] <fdoving> that explains alot.
[09:00] <manchicken> I'm developing for feisty though.
[09:00] <Icemong> what's the state of edgy?  is it SAFE yet? lol
[09:00] <manchicken> I won't risk destablizing my machine.
[09:00] <manchicken> Edgy is quite nice.
[09:00] <Icemong> cool
[09:00] <Icemong> I gather you're on AMD64 too?
[09:01] <manchicken> I was gonna switch to feisty, but Riddell told me to stick with edgy so I can keep hacking.
[09:01] <manchicken> Icemong: Yeah.  It's quite nice.
[09:01] <gnomefreak> fdoving: your here ;) what command does the menu run. the apps menu
[09:01] <manchicken> Icemong: This proc shows much love.
[09:01] <regx> anyone get beryl working in feisty?
[09:01] <Paul-Way> Plz, help.
[09:01] <gnomefreak> regx: wait for the next release
[09:01] <gnomefreak> regx: join #ubuntu-xgl and read topic
[09:01] <Icemong> Great
[09:02] <manchicken> So, here's a quick poll... how many people have beryl running, but not a regular backup schedule?
[09:02] <manchicken> heh
[09:02] <regx> I am have a thinkpad t60 with ati radeon x1400 and get the caught signal 11 error
[09:02] <gnomefreak> manchicken: try in #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:02] <manchicken> gnomefreak: You're no fun ^_^
[09:02] <phobiac> I have beryl running but don't use it too often.
[09:02] <bxnp> andybody know's what to do with a Packages.gz file
[09:02] <Icemong> Could someone help me with what I'm sure is a noob mistake?
[09:03] <DeadFishMan> !ask | Icemong
[09:03] <ubotu> Icemong: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:03] <tz0r> um this may be a dub question but where the heck is hotplug support in dapper?
[09:03] <regx> bxpn: in feisty?
[09:03] <Icemong> while trying to compile wine, I get this line:  configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[09:03] <bxnp> what regx
[09:03] <gnomefreak> Icemong: install build-essential
[09:03] <manchicken> gnomefreak: You seen Riddell?  I'm not quite sure how he wants this adept_batch user experience done.
[09:03] <DeadFishMan> Icemong: Why don't you use wine from the repositories?
[09:03] <regx> bxpn: You have Beryl run rc2?ning in Feisty
[09:03] <bxnp> its for apt-get but dont know how to use it
[09:04] <tz0r> apt-cache search hotplug   finds basically nothing.....you have to install manuall?
[09:04] <gnomefreak> manchicken: not since this morning
[09:04] <Icemong> build-essential is already the newest version
[09:04] <manchicken> I have been trying to raise him since 20:00 CST last night.
[09:04] <Icemong> DeadFishMan: I couldn't find the package.
[09:04] <gnomefreak> regx: beta1 is broken please wait for beryl updates
[09:04] <bxnp> no regx
[09:04] <gnomefreak> regx: they should be out by monday
[09:04] <bxnp> this is the pacakges list for kubuntu dapper,
[09:04] <regx> ok will do - thanks
[09:05] <DeadFishMan> Icemong: Install automatix2. It will create the proper entries on your sources.list and then fetch the latest wine for you
[09:05] <phobiac> DeadFish, I don't think we reccomend automatix.
[09:05] <phobiac> !automatix
[09:05] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[09:05] <DeadFishMan> phobiac: Really? Why?
[09:06] <DeadFishMan> Wow... I've heard some of this on the automatix forum but I'm yet to break a working system using it
[09:06] <gnomefreak> DeadFishMan: its a bad hack and has broken a number of peopels systems that we were unable to recover from for them
[09:06] <Paul-Way> how i can add daemons to autostart?
[09:06] <Paul-Way> ie. ssh
[09:06] <gnomefreak> DeadFishMan: it had a tendancy to upgrade libc6
[09:07] <DeadFishMan> gnomefreak: I see... Good to know
[09:07] <fdoving> gnomefreak: sorry, the delay, 'dcop kicker kicker showKMenu'
[09:07] <zen> can u tell me how to add to menu the programs i installed from adept that don't show?
[09:07] <gnomefreak> fdoving: without kicker?
[09:07] <gnomefreak> delays are fine
[09:07] <fdoving> gnomefreak: then you're lost.
[09:07] <gnomefreak> crap
[09:07] <gnomefreak> i got rid of kicker
[09:07] <fdoving> gnomefreak: what do you use instead of kicker?
[09:07] <gnomefreak> using ummmmmmmm oh kooldock
[09:07] <makuseru> how can i open a program in a virtual desktop
[09:08] <gnomefreak> it has a box for show menu but it doesnt open
[09:08] <fdoving> gnomefreak: does alt+f1 work?
[09:08] <zen> i nead to know how to add to menu programs that don't show isntalled whit adept
[09:08] <arrenlex> I can't change KDE language. If I click on another language in kcontrol it just goes back to enUS. Why?
[09:08] <gnomefreak> fdoving: no it didnt seem to do anything
[09:08] <Schuenemann> right click the menu and select eidt
[09:08] <Schuenemann> edit
[09:09] <fdoving> gnomefreak: then i have no clue, i don't use kooldock or similar.
[09:09] <phobiac> makuseru: You can right click on the menubar of a program and switch it to another desktop.
[09:09] <phobiac> makuseru: No idea how to make it open in another one though. Sorry.
[09:09] <gnomefreak> fdoving: ty ill keep hacking at it see what i can do
[09:09] <DeadFishMan> makuseru: On KDE, open the application, give a right-click on its window decoration, click on Advanced > Special Application Settings. Then check Desktop and choose the Desktop that you want the application to open.
[09:09] <makuseru> phobiac: i dont need it on another desktop, i need a virtual desktop
[09:10] <DeadFishMan> makuseru: KDE allows you to specify that on a per app basis. :)
[09:10] <makuseru> deadfishman: not another dektop, a vitrual desktop like window, where i can run a fullscreen program in it and still do everything else
[09:11] <bxnp> in other words how can i import a pkg archive
[09:11] <phobiac> makuseru: Yes, that's what DeadFishMan and I are talking about.
[09:11] <bxnp> Anybody know's how to do this
[09:11] <tz0r> this answers the question about missing hotplug
[09:11] <tz0r> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=167296
[09:11] <makuseru> you just said switch to another desktop
[09:11] <makuseru> i dont want another desktop
[09:11] <tz0r> ' Hotplug in Dapper 6.06: where is it?'
[09:12] <phobiac> makuseru: Oh wait. You mean how a window open with the app running in it?
[09:12] <menace> !adept crash fix
[09:12] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[09:13] <makuseru> phoabic: eys
[09:13] <makuseru> yes87
[09:14] <DeadFishMan> !xnest | makuseru
[09:14] <ubotu> xnest: Nested X server. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.1.1-0ubuntu12.1 (edgy), package size 1295 kB, installed size 3436 kB
[09:14] <DeadFishMan> makuseru: Is something like that what you are looking for?
[09:14] <anatoliy> see y ou guys tomorrow, thanks for all the help
[09:15] <DeadFishMan> anatoliy: See ya!
[09:15] <makuseru> no, because there is a command for it
[09:15] <makuseru> thats how i run W
[09:15] <makuseru> ine
[09:16] <DeadFishMan> makuseru: Wine has it own configuration settings where you can specify if you want its windows to be managed (with WM window decorators), unmanaged (Windows window decorators) or some sort of virtual desktop
[09:16] <zen> can u help me install general drivers for nvdia then im 1 time on linux can't alone
[09:17] <DeadFishMan> makuseru: If you are looking for the latter, I don't think that there is such a thing for native X apps. Xnest may be a start, though.
[09:17] <DeadFishMan> !nvidia
[09:17] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:17] <makuseru> im installing xnest now, thanks
[09:17] <zen> dead can u link me a site repository what ever to install them whit adept?
[09:17] <zen> im not able manual
[09:17] <makuseru> zen: automatix has them
[09:18] <Xera> zen: what card do you have?
[09:18] <zen> nvidia 7900GS has drivers just for xp
[09:18] <makuseru> zen: automatix has them
[09:18] <zen> but diden't ubotu say it brakes ubuntu automatix?
[09:19] <makuseru> it dosnt
[09:19] <zen> ok
[09:19] <makuseru> automatix is completly safe for most people
[09:19] <zen> let's see if xera can solve me
[09:19] <makuseru> ive neveer had it crash, or any other person
[09:19] <makuseru> zen: automatix is the quick way to do it
[09:19] <zen> how how u install it?
[09:20] <DeadFishMan> zen: The page that ubotu gave has detailed step-by-step instructions telling what to do including what repositories you need to enable in order to do so
[09:20] <makuseru> zen: www.getautomatix.com
[09:20] <surgy> i figured out part of my ipod porblem, the ipod 2.0 is different in how it mounts, kubuntu does not have ipod 2.0 drivers
[09:20] <zen> ok
[09:21] <cloakable> !automatix | makuseru, zen
[09:21] <ubotu> makuseru, zen: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[09:22] <zen> ok seems it's installing
[09:22] <zen> next i nead skype flash player 9 and java
[09:22] <zen> hope u can help me eheh
[09:22] <zen> u think it will be hard?
[09:22] <makuseru> no
[09:23] <makuseru> zen: are you new to linux?
[09:23] <zen> ok seems it installed what i have to do now close console ?
[09:23] <zen> yes 1 time
[09:23] <Xera> hmm
[09:23] <Xera> can i burn a windows xp iso to a dvdrw?
[09:23] <makuseru> zen: is english your first language?
[09:23] <Xera> sorry, i'm a total noob ;)
[09:23] <zen> no im from rome
[09:23] <makuseru> awesome
[09:24] <Xera> ye, cool
[09:24] <zen> what about u?
[09:24] <makuseru> i was just wondering why your english was a little off,
[09:24] <makuseru> im from US
[09:24] <zen> ahah but i like the usa uk support comunity so come to chat here
[09:24] <makuseru> did you get automatix
[09:24] <zen> automatix is ready what do i have to do now?
[09:24] <zen> seems it installed it in console
[09:25] <makuseru> its in your kmenu under system
[09:25] <surgy> so i guess thats just it
[09:25] <zen> ok
[09:25] <zen> super opening it then?
[09:25] <surgy> my ipod will never work with linux
[09:25] <surgy> i cant find anything.
[09:25] <dokteurping> hi everybody
[09:25] <makuseru> zen: you dont have to do it in a terminal, just click the kmenu and go to system
[09:25] <dokteurping> how can i download wineX ?
[09:26] <nothlit> !automatix
[09:26] <zen> i did all from root heeh very risky
[09:26] <makuseru> nah
[09:26] <makuseru> you have to be root to install
[09:26] <zen> the program installation i mean
[09:26] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[09:26] <DeadFishMan> lol
[09:26] <zen> ok im opening it as i said then what's next?
[09:26] <makuseru> hang on, lemme see where the Nvidia drivers are
[09:27] <zen> thanx
[09:27] <makuseru> no prob
[09:27] <zen> but as i got no drivers yet for 7900GS will general ones ruin it?
[09:27] <makuseru> it will be under the Miscallenous tab
[09:28] <makuseru> linux nvidia drivers are for just about all cards
[09:28] <zen> o great got skype in it and java to super thanx
[09:28] <makuseru> just check nvidia drivers then click start
[09:28] <zen> hope it has flash player 9 to
[09:28] <makuseru> its also a good idea to get the multamedia and w32 codecs too
[09:28] <zen> ok im installing it very simple
[09:29] <makuseru> yup
[09:29] <makuseru> !xnest
[09:29] <zen> i got a 17 lcd how much to i have to keep resolution afther 1280x1024 75 hz as it's now maku?
[09:29] <ubotu> xnest: Nested X server. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.1.1-0ubuntu12.1 (edgy), package size 1295 kB, installed size 3436 kB
[09:30] <zen> btw thanx for help u been very usefull
[09:30] <makuseru> no prob
[09:30] <makuseru> i dunno anything about nvidia drivers so i dunno about your resolution
[09:30] <makuseru> i know my radeon dosnt support my resolution so i had to write it into my xorg
[09:30] <zen> asked me to put kubuntu cd in doing it
[09:30] <gnomefreak> makuseru: please dont advise using automatix
[09:31] <makuseru> why
[09:31] <zen> why will it ruin kubuntu gnome?
[09:31] <zen> every time i find simple and easy click and run the linux purist have to speak against terrible
[09:32] <gnomefreak> makuseru: its not safe to use and has broken alot of systems
[09:32] <zen> ok they are installed ill install skype and java
[09:32] <zen> well make kubuntu more simple then
[09:32] <zen> couse it gives u the easy option automatix
[09:32] <zen> i don't want the terminal i want to click and go
[09:33] <DeadFishMan> zen: Linux is not hard. Is just different. Once you get acquainted with the system, you will realize that.
[09:33] <makuseru> gnomefreak: the kubuntu room is the ONLY place ive ever heard anyone say that, everyone i know personally that uses it, no problems at all
[09:33] <sampan> automatix broke my system once -- won't ever touch it again
[09:33] <zen> i know but click and go is the future see fedora 6
[09:34] <makuseru> i agree with DeadFishMan, i do most things in terminal, but i dont know where to find w32 and various other codecs
[09:34] <makuseru> so i use Automatix for that
[09:34] <gnomefreak> makuseru: a bunch of us have spent many hours in many days fixing issues. you want to use it thats fine but DONT advise others to use it
[09:34] <zen> btw dosen't seem ubuntu distros are so easy for bigginers much better fedora
[09:34] <makuseru> fine, i wont tell anyone in the room to use it, jyst everyone else
[09:34] <zen> everything is terminal here im getting pissed
[09:35] <DeadFishMan> zen: Ubuntu has a policy to ship only free software. You can add non-free additional add-ons later and it is not difficult.
[09:35] <zen> maku what java i have to put  1.5?
[09:35] <DeadFishMan> zen: Once you learn the inner workings of this operating system, you can transfer that knowledge to other OSes
[09:35] <sampan> the w32codes aren't hard to find -- the restricted format pages tell you the EXACT command to type (copy-paste works fine)
[09:35] <zen> i hope
[09:36] <zen> so can i use this automatix fish or not as it has all i nead in it java skype
[09:36] <makuseru> ive never seen that page?
[09:37] <nagyv> zen: actually you can use them, but it is better if you set up the needed repositories by hand, if you know how to do them
[09:37] <DeadFishMan> zen: I did and it works for me. But if things go wrong, I am in a better shape to fix it on my own.
[09:37] <zen> no 1 time on linux
[09:37] <makuseru> DeadFishMan: do you know how to use xterm?
[09:37] <DeadFishMan> makuseru: Yes
[09:38] <makuseru> how can i open it?
[09:38] <zen> ok let's hope well nvidia drivers are installed said to reboot fish what else do i nead to put so im sure
[09:38] <nagyv> zen: you can to anything also without using the console
[09:38] <DeadFishMan> makuseru: Usually, press Alt + F2, type xterm and hit Enter works for me
[09:38] <zen> yes later on im  not able now
[09:38] <nagyv> we give you console advices because in general it is faster, and the others (not me) are even more used to it :)
[09:38] <makuseru> oh ok
[09:38] <makuseru> i need to be in another tty?
[09:38] <makuseru> wairt
[09:39] <makuseru> wait*
[09:39] <zen> there is java 1.5 do i nead that to maku fish and any thing else?
[09:39] <DeadFishMan> makuseru: No, you don't
[09:39] <nagyv> if you want I will lead you through the steps without a console
[09:39] <makuseru> thats alt+ctrl+f2
[09:39] <makuseru> alt f2 is run
[09:39] <makuseru> i did that and its like a console
[09:39] <DeadFishMan> No, no... That first keystroke just change ttys. Alt + F2 will bring the run dialog and then you can run xterm from there.
[09:39] <tanlaan> has anyone here seen the movie "hackers"? If so do you remember the OS's they had on their laptops *not the scary 3D ones*. I was wondering if it would be possible to fully change the KDE GUI to resemble of them :D
[09:40] <tanlaan> *one
[09:40] <makuseru> ive seen it on kde-look
[09:40] <DeadFishMan> makuseru: However you can use either konsole or gnome terminal whenever you see someone telling you to use xterm
[09:40] <makuseru> huh
[09:41] <zen> brb
[09:42] <cloakable> Perhaps not faster, but more powerful.
[09:42] <nagyv> cloakable is not a newbie
[09:43] <nagyv> cloakable is not a ex-windows user
[09:43] <nagyv> cloakable is not emphatic :)
[09:44] <makuseru> deadfishman: i do xterm and i get a white console
[09:44] <DeadFishMan> makuseru: That is what a xterm is :)
[09:44] <makuseru> i cant run a program in it thought
[09:44] <cloakable> nagyv: I'm not a newbie anymore, I AM an ex-windows user (Haven't used anything from MS on my computers in years), and I'm not empathic :P
[09:45] <DeadFishMan> makuseru: Xterm is an terminal emulator for X. There are several of them, being konsole and gnome terminal the most popular these days
[09:45] <DeadFishMan> makuseru: But I have a love affir with Aterm and Eterm
[09:45] <makuseru> oh
[09:45] <surgy> ok i have officially been all over the forums, googled forever and still cant find my answer, the problem is: My ipod is an ipod 2.0 which mounts differently than the old ipods and kubuntu will not auto mount it by defualt, and i need it to auto mount so that i can access my ipod through amarak. can someone please help me?
[09:45] <makuseru> i need somthing where i can have graphics
[09:46] <makuseru> im trying to run Blender but not fullscreen
[09:46] <nagyv> surgy: I don't have an ipod, but try accessing it without mounting. As I now amarok should recognize the device, not the mount options/point.
[09:46] <DeadFishMan> makuseru: Xterm won't give you graphic output (unless the application that you are trying to use has a ncurses-like interface)
[09:46] <makuseru> i noticed
[09:47] <DeadFishMan> makuseru: Blender itself has shortcuts for that. IIRC, Alt + Up key changes it from fullscreen to window mode but I am not sure
[09:47] <surgy> nagyv: thats the problem it doesnt recognize it i cant access it at all, the only thing that kubuntu will show is in kinfocenter it says "usb device: ipod"
[09:48] <DeadFishMan> DeadFishMan: However, Blender really makes good use of screen state so if you are planning to use it long term, why don't you dedicate a virtual desktop just for it?
[09:48] <bobleny> Hey, what happend?
[09:48] <zen> ok the drivers are perfectly installed now automatix is installing java 1.5
[09:48] <nagyv> surgy: as I said I don't own any ipods, so can not help. If nobody else can help here, then try #amarok or #kde
[09:49] <zen> can u advise me how to keep my resolution i got a lcd 17
[09:49] <bobleny> I tried to play an mp3, and it opend in kaffine. It use to open in some other program that had a wolf icon or somthing. I looked in the Kmenu and it is gone!! what happend?
[09:49] <newlinuxguy> I keep getting erros that seem to point to my cd drive being flakey when trying to install ubuntu from an iso I d/l.  The checksum cleared and passed but the computer locks at various stages.
[09:50] <newlinuxguy> I can install ubuntu from a thumb drive which should hopefully solve the problem
[09:50] <DeadFishMan> bobleny: I believe that you are talking about Amarok
[09:50] <bobleny> amarok! thats what it was called
[09:50] <bobleny> Yeah....
[09:50] <newlinuxguy> so I figure I'll stay here incase I have any questions
[09:50] <cloakable> bobleny: Have you installed/uninatalled and software recently?
[09:50] <newlinuxguy> have a 2 gig thumb drive, just need to google to see what I need to do different
[09:50] <cloakable> *uninstalled
[09:50] <distro-test> fish if i keep my lcd 17 1280x1024 75 hz is that ok?
[09:51] <bobleny> Yeah, mysql, php, phpmyadmin, apache2
[09:51] <distro-test> im trying to understand what resolution put on linux
[09:51] <DeadFishMan> distro-test: I guess so but try to find some reference for it on the Ubuntu foruns
[09:51] <distro-test> ok
[09:51] <cloakable> bobleny: That's installed?
[09:51] <DeadFishMan> distro-test: That's the resolution that I use but mine is a 17 inch CRT
[09:51] <distro-test> sorry im asking much but it's 1 time btw thanx for help
[09:51] <bobleny> Yeah
[09:52] <distro-test> automaix is installing java 1.5 so im letting it go hope that is last version next i nead flash player 9
[09:52] <distro-test> let's hope it will be easy to install
[09:53] <newlinuxguy> has anyone stumbled across a good forum/tutuorial pointing toward how to get a bootable install on my 2gb pen drive so I can get it permanently installed on my server hard drive?
[09:53] <gnomefreak> distro-test: flash 9 is in the backports repos
[09:53] <nomad411> Hi all.  I bought a macbook last summer and am starting to miss running Kubuntu.  I think I'm going to go multibot. What's a good minimum size needed on my HD for a comfortable install?
[09:53] <bobleny> I don't belive I could have accedentlly uninstalled it.
[09:53] <DeadFishMan> distro-test: It is but you may need to run a few commands on the console
[09:53] <distro-test> ok if u quide me we can try
[09:54] <distro-test> i know how to become root sudo su o maby can make it
[09:54] <bobleny> If the computer crashed, could it hurt the program? Bc sometimes it doesn't turn off and I have to hold the power button.
[09:54] <distro-test> very nice if automatix keeps on like this ill love him even skype now ahah
[09:54] <cloakable> bobleny: Can you press Alt + Space, and when Katapult pops up, type amarok
[09:55] <distro-test> u ready to tell me what comands run then fish?
[09:55] <bobleny> I don't have the shortcut
[09:55] <distro-test> must wait automatix finishes to install skype do
[09:56] <cloakable> bobleny: try Alt + F2, then, if Katapult doesn't start
[09:56] <DeadFishMan> distro-test: You can follow these instructions to install Flash Player 9 on K/Ubuntu later: http://www.debianadmin.com/install-flash-player-9-update-in-ubuntu.html
[09:56] <bobleny> I went to kmenue
[09:56] <distro-test> i got another problem some programs don't show im menu that i installed whit adeps as anti rootkit tcpspy and so on
[09:57] <distro-test> how u put em on menu?
[09:57] <cloakable> bobleny: Don't worry about kmenu :)
[09:57] <distro-test> thanx fish
[09:57] <bobleny> I don't have the defult shortcuts...
[09:57] <distro-test> u know bob?
[09:57] <cloakable> bobleny: Did you change them?
[09:58] <bobleny> Yeah.
[09:58] <DeadFishMan> distro-test: That's because some of this apps are command line utilities that are not supposed to show up in menus anyways. Think of them as the the ftp and ipconfig command line utilities on Windows :)
[09:58] <distro-test> sorry i got mad before saying fedora is better hehe no way
[09:58] <bobleny> I changed them to windows shortcuts
[09:58] <distro-test> it's just i get scared of terminal some times but getting over it
[09:58] <cloakable> bobleny: can you run Katapult, then?
[09:58] <distro-test> o i see
[09:58] <DeadFishMan> distro-test: Once you get the hang of it, you will like it. :)
[09:59] <distro-test> but if i want to check out what they doing is there a way fish?
[09:59] <cloakable> bobleny: Unless you removed the shortcut to that program?
[09:59] <jago> how do i add a local folder to me repositories?
[09:59] <bobleny> BAH
[09:59] <DeadFishMan> distro-test: ?
[09:59] <cloakable> bobleny: Hmm?
[09:59] <distro-test> those programs i said
[09:59] <distro-test> command line utilities
[10:00] <DeadFishMan> distro-test: Are you asking if there is a way to keep track of those command line programs installed on your system?
[10:00] <distro-test> ifconfig = ipconfig that's fine another thing solved
[10:00] <distro-test> yes im asking much more if there's a way to view em eheh
[10:00] <DeadFishMan> distro-test: If that is the case, then you can always use Adept or Synaptic to see which programs you have on your system
[10:00] <distro-test> so i control what they doing
[10:00] <distro-test> o ok
[10:01] <cloakable> bobleny: Kmenu >  utilities > katapult
[10:01] <distro-test> tell me if i did right installed firestarter on kubuntu i just setted in it what i liked and now runs do i nead else?
[10:01] <distro-test> but every time i load pc askes me root password to start the firestarter don't know if i't's normal
[10:03] <larson9999> linux rocks!
[10:03] <DeadFishMan> distro-test: Firetstart as a firewall is a system application and it is not intended to be used by regular user accounts. You just set it up once and leave it running. It is OK for it to ask the root password whenever you try to launch it.
[10:03] <distro-test> yes that's when i start pc every time boring but ok
[10:03] <eisma> no one is helping me in the ubuntu channel, how do i play mp3 format music in rhythmbox music player?
[10:03] <Peruna> anyone here using Konversation ?
[10:04] <bobleny> No, apparently I can't use katapult then. A box comes up in the left corner and says to use alt+space to use katapult. I cant do that though...
[10:04] <DeadFishMan> Peruna: I am using it :)
[10:04] <DeadFishMan> !mp3
[10:04] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:04] <distro-test> ill install flash player let's hope well brb
[10:04] <DeadFishMan> eisma: Look above
[10:04] <Peruna> how can I set that everytime I click irc:// links in Firefox it will run it here ?
[10:04] <bobleny> !katapult
[10:04] <ubotu> katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[10:04] <cloakable> bobleny: Does amarok show up in the menu? It should be in multimedia.
[10:04] <distro-test> seems im going good for 1 time do
[10:05] <bobleny> No, amarok doesnot show up in menu
[10:05] <Peruna> DeadFishMan: any idea ?
[10:06] <dthacker> hello, where can I find libdvdcss2 so that I can play videos
[10:06] <dthacker> argh on DVD
[10:06] <distro-test> ahah it's hard as hell to install flash player 9 lucky im using copy paste if i can make it
[10:06] <bobleny> I looked in Adept Manager, typed in "amarok" and it says it is not installed
[10:06] <cloakable> bobleny: Can you open a terminal?
[10:07] <cloakable> bobleny: Ahhh. Tell adept to install it, then.
[10:07] <bobleny> Terminal is open as we speak
[10:07] <bobleny> Yeah, but how did it get uninstalled.
[10:07] <DeadFishMan> Peruna: Sorry... No idea
[10:08] <Peruna> okay, how about to edit default applications ?
[10:08] <cloakable> bobleny: A good question. Have you used anything like Automatix?
[10:08] <bobleny> IDK, what is Automatix?
[10:08] <DeadFishMan> !libdvdcss | dthacker
[10:08] <ubotu> dthacker: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[10:08] <bobleny> !automatix
[10:08] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[10:08] <cloakable> :)
[10:09] <dthacker> DeadFishMan: I've added Seveas's repositories and I'm still not able to pull it down. Can you help me debug?
[10:09] <bobleny> Not that I know of. The only thing I use is Adept Manager
[10:09] <DeadFishMan> dthacker: What happens when you try to apt-get it?
[10:10] <cloakable> bobleny: Good :) Just install Amarok then.
[10:10] <distro-test> ok it's to hard for 1 time to install flash player fish if u can help me or some one
[10:10] <dthacker> DeadFishMan:
[10:10] <dthacker> Package libdvdcss2 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:10] <DeadFishMan> dthacker: Try to run: apt-cache search libdvdcss
[10:11] <distro-test> any one can help me to install flash player 9 whit out console ?
[10:11] <DeadFishMan> dthacker: If you get too many results on that command, use paste bin...
[10:11] <DeadFishMan> !pastebin
[10:11] <Peruna> how to check if Firefox is default net-browser in Kubuntu ?
[10:12] <DeadFishMan> distro-test: I'm afraid that you will HAVE to use the console to set up Flash Player 9 on Linux :)
[10:12] <distro-test> damn
[10:12] <distro-test> well if u guide me i can make it but not alone
[10:13] <distro-test> can we start then couse manual is to hard for me yet
[10:13] <DeadFishMan> distro-test: Follow the instructions on that webpage that I gave you before to the letter and you should be all set
[10:13] <stdin> distro-test: I don't think yoy need the console to install it
[10:13] <stdin> distro-test: you just need to enable the backports reop
[10:13] <distro-test> i did but u can't pretend a 1 time ever linux user can do that whit out a guide
[10:13] <distro-test> ok how u do that st?
[10:14] <distro-test> btw i learn fast if u text follow me on console fish i will be able to
[10:14] <DeadFishMan> Peruna: Go to the System Settings, click on KDE Components then choose Default Applications. On Web Browser, you can specify Firefox as preferred web browser
[10:15] <stdin> distro-test: you need to add the backports repository to apept, then just update
[10:15] <DeadFishMan> distro-test: Follow the instructions on that webpage. It is fairly detailed.
[10:15] <dthacker> DeadFishMan: http://pastebin.com/863779
[10:17] <distro-test> thanx
[10:17] <link> I just tryed to install compiz on Adapt and now I can't get a resolution setting any high than 800x600
[10:17] <distro-test> btw this resolution 1280x1024 75hz is hurting my eyes must find a better one for my 17 lcd
[10:17] <Tm_T> Eh.
[10:18] <distro-test> what u advise TmT?
[10:19] <DeadFishMan> dthacker: I don't see the package in there at all however it may be loaded automatically when you apt-get install any DVD player: xine-ui, vlc or Ogle
[10:19] <Morbo> Don't LCDs need to run at a certain resolution?
[10:19] <Morbo> Well, to be most effective
[10:19] <distro-test> yes but this resolution hurts my eyes strange
[10:19] <Morbo> See your eye doctor?
[10:20] <Morbo> Is the refresh rate set correctly?
[10:20] <distro-test> don't know how i see that?
[10:20] <Morbo> Your monitor's manual/documentation
[10:20] <distro-test> yes goes fine on xp 1280x768 60 hz
[10:21] <distro-test> 1024 * i mean
[10:21] <Morbo> Maybe change the refresh rate, then
[10:21] <distro-test> i would like to put it same here but only makes me put 75 hz since i installed nvidia drivers
[10:21] <DeadFishMan> Well... Gotta go again... Real life is calling :)
[10:21] <DeadFishMan> See you later, fellas...
[10:22] <distro-test> later
[10:22] <distro-test> thanx for help
[10:22] <DeadFishMan> np
[10:27] <home_> what is the path for wine?
[10:27] <home_> i installed something and cant find it...
[10:27] <home_> Hello?
[10:29] <home_> Anyone?
[10:29] <fdoving> home_: /usr/bin/wine i guess.
[10:31] <home_> no
[10:31] <home_> Anyone else?
[10:31] <home_> i installed a program and need to find its path
[10:33] <ryy> Hi, I am linux n00b.  How do I unrar files? I typed 'unrar e <filename>' and I got '<filename> is not a rar archive No files to extract
[10:33] <Morbo> home_- at a terminal, type "which executable name"
[10:33] <soulrider> home_: you installed something with wine ?
[10:33] <home_> yes, i installed a windows program with wine
[10:33] <soulrider> ryy: did you install the package called "unrar" ?
[10:33] <home_> i just cant find where c is mounted in wine
[10:34] <soulrider> home_: its on ~/.wine/drive_c/....
[10:34] <newlinuxguy> when partitioning during install using the minimal cd, is the mount point for swap just that or is it typed in as /swap
[10:34] <ryy> I assumed that its installed. Because man unrar opens the man pages.
[10:35] <soulrider> ryy: open a console and do
[10:35] <soulrider> sudo aptitude install unrar
[10:35] <soulrider> that will make sure you have it instralled
[10:35] <soulrider> also, if you want to unrar a file, you can look it up with konqueror and open it with Ark
[10:35] <soulrider> Ark will extract rar files
[10:36] <home_> damn i guess itunes doesnt work with linux and wine
[10:36] <home_> is there a alternative for my ipod?
[10:36] <ryy> Installed it and ran the unrar command. Same thing happened.
[10:36] <soulrider> home_: im not sure, but i suggest you look on http://ubuntuforums.org
[10:36] <newlinuxguy> do you mount swap as "swap" when partinioning manually or as /swap?
[10:36] <soulrider> ryy dont use the unrar command, use Ark
[10:36] <gnomefreak> yes but without the bot im not sure off hand. i heard banshee is good
[10:37] <Dr_willis> there is no '/swap'
[10:37] <ryy> I will try
[10:37] <wolfwalker> !botsnack
[10:37] <newlinuxguy> okay
[10:37] <soulrider> the bot isnt here ?
[10:37] <gnomefreak> wolfwalker: the bots are offline atm
[10:37] <soulrider> oh my
[10:37] <wolfwalker> Is the bot sick here too?
[10:37] <Dr_willis> example fstab entry --> /dev/hdb1 none swap defaults 0 0
[10:37] <wolfwalker> Phooey
[10:37] <gnomefreak> server maintiance
[10:37] <wolfwalker> Oh well, it was worth a try
[10:37] <soulrider> whata re we gonna do without a bot? >.<
[10:38] <home_> anyone know how to get thier ipod to work with a linux box?
[10:38] <soulrider> home_: just plug it i think
[10:38] <newlinuxguy> thanks willis
[10:38] <Prisoner_> hi
[10:38] <soulrider> and as i said, look in http://ubuntuforums.org/
[10:38] <soulrider> hi Prisoner_
[10:38] <newlinuxguy> I appreciate it
[10:39] <Morbo> !ipod | home_
[10:39] <Prisoner_> installed a deskjet 712C printer on my Ubuntu box today and I think it's working
[10:39] <home_> plug it?
[10:39] <smaggard> halloo
[10:39] <smaggard> nice
[10:39] <home_> dont you need a program to put the music on it?
[10:39] <Morbo> !ipod
[10:40] <Morbo> Oh.  ubotu/two is absent
[10:40] <Morbo> home_- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto
[10:40] <smaggard> can someone do me a favor and ping an address for me
[10:40] <slow-motion> n8
[10:41] <soulrider> smaggard: what address ?
[10:41] <Morbo> smaggard- which?
[10:41] <smaggard> ns1.maggardcomputing.com and ns2
[10:41] <Morbo> Worked and unknown host
[10:41] <Prisoner_> Hard to believe Ubuntu will run on an old 400mhz AMD based system
[10:42] <smaggard> yeah thats similar to what i was getting
[10:42] <soulrider> Prisoner_: linux will run on anything
[10:42] <Morbo> Except for toasters
[10:42] <soulrider> well, almost anything
[10:42] <Morbo> And that's when you use NetBSD
[10:42] <home_> wow what a piece of crap
[10:42] <Morbo> soulrider- Of course "running" is different than "running well"
[10:42] <soulrider> home_: what is ?
[10:42] <home_> just added the repository to apt and it crashed it now i cant open it
[10:43] <soulrider> home_: never heard of that happening... =/
[10:43] <smaggard> namesecure wont let me change to those servers and im guessing its because it hasnt propogated fully
[10:43] <soulrider> are you using adept ?
[10:43] <home_> yes
[10:43] <home_> adept manager
[10:43] <soulrider> ok
[10:43] <soulrider> open a console
[10:43] <home_> could not open cache
[10:44] <home_> the apt database could not be opened!
[10:44] <soulrider> ah yes
[10:44] <stdin> If Adept crashes and won't start run this in Konsole "sudo fuser -vik /var/lib/dpkg/lock ; sudo dpkgg --configure -a
[10:44] <link> awww... I love the adapt database
[10:44] <soulrider> thats because it crashed
[10:44] <soulrider> i wish the bot was here..
[10:44] <home_> this is so annoying
[10:44] <stdin> without the '' at the end :P
[10:44] <stdin> If Adept crashes and won't start run this in Konsole "sudo fuser -vik /var/lib/dpkg/lock ; sudo dpkgg --configure -a"
[10:44] <stdin> that's better :)
[10:44] <soulrider> uhm, how od you do the euro sign in an english keyboard? i can do it on my spanish one but not on this one
[10:45] <link> 
[10:45] <home_> command not found
[10:45] <stdin> soulrider:  is AltGr+4 on my keyboard
[10:45] <home_> sudo: dpkgg: command not found
[10:45] <stdin> damn my typeing
[10:46] <stdin> home_: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[10:46] <soulrider> just one g
[10:46] <home_> still broken
[10:46] <home_> didnt do anyting
[10:46] <smaggard> thx for the ping guys
[10:47] <soulrider> home_: sudo fuser -vik /var/lib/dpkg/lock ; sudo dpkg --configure -a
[10:47] <stdin> home_: you ran "sudo fuser -vik /var/lib/dpkg/lock" first ?
[10:47] <soulrider> that HAS to fix it
[10:47] <Prisoner_> may put it on my 1.5ghz box next
[10:47] <soulrider> Prisoner_: kubuntu will run like charm on a pc like that
[10:48] <soulrider> intelikey runs it in a pc with a 133mhz processor i think
[10:48] <Prisoner_> I'm running Ubuntu, what is the difference?
[10:48] <soulrider> not kubuntu though
[10:48] <home_> didnt fix anything
[10:48] <soulrider> the difference is the default settings basically
[10:48] <home_> still errors out
[10:48] <Prisoner_> ok
[10:48] <stdin> home_: what is the exact error ?
[10:49] <home_> The APT database could not be opened! this may be caused by incorrect APT config or some similar problem
[10:49] <Prisoner_> 384mb ram, it's an old system, but it works
[10:49] <home_> try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem
[10:49] <stdin> home_: what about if you try "sudo apt-get update" in konsole ?
[10:50] <home_> E: Malformed line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[10:50] <home_> im taking it out
[10:51] <home_> how do i overwrite the damn config
[10:51] <home_> god this is so stupid
[10:52] <stdin> home_: Alt-F2 "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[10:53] <home_> so is deb http://apebox.org/badgerexplosion ./ a bad repository?
[10:55] <BluesKaj> ok, i reinstalled the ATI drivers for DRI , but now i have a pckage that is in a sad state , wpasupplicant...what it has to do with the ATI drivers is unknown to me but it interferes with installing other pkges related to my TV tuner card and other video programs . I know wpa is something to with wireless encryption and firewire m, but I'm using neither .
[10:55] <stdin> home_: seems ok to me
[10:55] <home_> what is libpod0
[10:55] <ryy> Got it. unrar worked. The .rar file was corrupted. Thanks.
[10:56] <home_> it says its a library to use ipod, but how do i access it?
[10:56] <stdin> home_: you don't, it's used by other apps
[10:56] <Morbo> Amarok is one, home_
[10:56] <BluesKaj> I tried to reinstall the wpa program in order to remove it cleanly, but that doesn't work either...any ideas?
[10:57] <nothlit> aptitude purge wpa
[10:57] <Morbo> home_- Open Amarok.  It's under multimedia in the main menu
[10:57] <home_> this god damn repository messes up my adept EVERY god damn time i add it
[10:57] <Morbo> home_- Settings -> preferences.  Choose the "media devices" entry.
[10:57] <Morbo> home_- Try pressing "autodetect devices"
[10:59] <vinboy_> is there any aMule-CVS package?
[10:59] <BluesKaj> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:59] <BluesKaj>  wpasupplicant
[10:59] <home_> cant detect my ipod
[10:59] <home_> god linux is gey
[10:59] <bxnp> what kind of errors BluesKaj could you pastebin it
[11:00] <Morbo> home_- Did you read the link I posted?
[11:00] <home_> yah morbo, it fucks up my adept everytime i add that repository
[11:00] <Morbo> home_- Please watch your language.
[11:00] <link> link:
[11:00] <link> home_
[11:01] <BluesKaj> bxnp, http://www.pastebin.ca/322943
[11:01] <home_> ?
[11:01] <stdin> home_: every time you add what repository ?
[11:02] <home_> the ipod program
[11:02] <stdin> home_: what are you adding ?
[11:02] <newlinuxguy> how do you guys feel about keeping a linux server on the net 24/7?  Is that as bad/suicidal as it is with Windows with a home server?
[11:02] <BluesKaj> bxnp, already tried to reinstall wpasupplicant...it won't
[11:02] <newlinuxguy> I'm trying to decide whether I want to install a DNS server for my Lan
[11:02] <Morbo> newlinuxguy- So long as you use proper security
[11:02] <stdin> newlinuxguy: nope, this PC is on 24/7, never had a problem :)
[11:02] <newlinuxguy> maybe I should just use hamachi
[11:03] <johey> newlinuxguy: GNU/Linux is one of the most popular systems used for servers around the world, even for professional use.
[11:03] <bxnp> and what prior command did you give to remove the pacakges
[11:03] <newlinuxguy> proper security = changing passes regularly or will I have to micromanage my ports/check logs etc
[11:03] <HymnToLife> newlinuxguy, given that about 80% of the servers in the whole Internet run Linux, I think that if it was suoicidal, whe'd have heard about it :p
[11:03] <bxnp> apt-get remove wpa_supplicant --purge ??
[11:04] <newlinuxguy> good point hymntolife, but
[11:04] <newlinuxguy> most professional/commercial servers are managed
[11:04] <newlinuxguy> 24/7
[11:04] <newlinuxguy> I don't have time to worry about whether someone is tryign to get to my private files installed on it
[11:04] <johey> newlinuxguy: All server systems need to be managed.
[11:04] <newlinuxguy> however I could use encryption on anything private
[11:04] <HymnToLife> yeah but malicious people don't care about your little home server
[11:04] <bxnp> apt-get remove wpa_supplicant --purge ?? did you use this command to remove it BluesKaj
[11:04] <HymnToLife> so put a strong password, that should be good enough
[11:05] <HymnToLife> that's what I have on mine, anyway
[11:05] <newlinuxguy> had a friend have his linux server hacked into at college and used as a means to hide the true user's identity
[11:05] <home_> how do i fix the adept manager again?
[11:05] <newlinuxguy> I guess that made me paranoid
[11:05] <stdin> home_: If Adept crashes and won't start run this in Konsole "sudo fuser -vik /var/lib/dpkg/lock ; sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[11:05] <newlinuxguy> but strong passwords are a great way to start I imagine
[11:05] <home_> that doesnt work stdin
[11:05] <home_> its not a cras
[11:06] <home_> its a currupt source in my repositories
[11:06] <newlinuxguy> and I have all of my sensitive info stored on an ntfs drive
[11:06] <stdin> home_: don't matter
[11:06] <BluesKaj> bxnp,  yes , but i received exactly the same message as in pastebin
[11:06] <home_> cause the site has a repository that doesnt work
[11:06] <home_> yes it does, it dont fix it
[11:06] <home_> i have to manually go into kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list and take it out
[11:06] <stdin> home_: what repo are you adding ?
[11:06] <home_> deb http://apebox.org/badgerexplosion ./
[11:06] <newlinuxguy> Is Samba a good choice for accessing my ntfs partitions on the server?
[11:06] <newlinuxguy> that's what Notre Dame used
[11:06] <johey> newlinuxguy: As long as you stay to commonly used server applications, there should be very hard to find a backdoor into your system.
[11:07] <HymnToLife> ntfs parititon on a server ?
[11:07] <stdin> home_: why ?
[11:07] <newlinuxguy> because it used to be a win2k server
[11:07] <newlinuxguy> and I've filled 120 gigs
[11:07] <newlinuxguy> with my files
[11:07] <Dr_willis> samba and 'accesing' ntfs partitions.. are sort of 2 different things
[11:07] <home_> cause thats what the kid said to install
[11:07] <newlinuxguy> so I have no way to switch it over easily
[11:07] <home_> to make it work?
[11:07] <HymnToLife> newlinuxguy, then you'll have to stay read-only on your ntfs
[11:07] <bxnp> and when you use the force flag BluesKaj
[11:07] <stdin> home_: no, all the packages are already in the ubuntu archives
[11:08] <bxnp> or the ignore errors flag
[11:08] <HymnToLife> installing ntfs-3g on a server doen't sound good
[11:08] <Dr_willis> using ntfs on a server - dosent sound good. :)
[11:08] <home_> well it says add that repository to download this banshee thing
[11:08] <BluesKaj> force flag ?
[11:08] <home_> thats NOT in the packages already in ubuntu
[11:08] <newlinuxguy> it would probably be worth my time to back everything up on dvd's and format it as ext3 then, right?
[11:08] <newlinuxguy> I shudder to think how long that will take
[11:08] <bxnp> --force-yes
[11:08] <newlinuxguy> hehe
[11:09] <johey> newlinuxguy: You will need to use a good filesystem, like ext3, yes.
[11:09] <HymnToLife> 120 GB, that's a shitload of DVDs
[11:09] <newlinuxguy> that's what I'm thinking
[11:09] <HymnToLife> can't you back it up to another machine in your network
[11:09] <bxnp> BluesKaj, : --force-yes
[11:09] <Dr_willis> 120gb /4 gb per dvd = 30 dvds :)
[11:09] <HymnToLife> ?
[11:09] <newlinuxguy> I might see what I can do with a usb hard drive
[11:09] <stdin> home_: all you need is Banshee, Amarok or gtkpod
[11:09] <newlinuxguy> yeah, the latter will have to happen
[11:09] <newlinuxguy> dvd's aren't a good choice obviously
[11:10] <newlinuxguy> I just don't have anything with that kind of storage now
[11:10] <newlinuxguy> So I will install DNS!
[11:10] <newlinuxguy> yayy!
[11:10] <newlinuxguy> hehe
[11:10] <newlinuxguy> not much
[11:10] <newlinuxguy> I was just concerned that doing this
[11:10] <newlinuxguy> would possible open another way for a hacker to get to my sensitive stuff
[11:11] <newlinuxguy> again, remember
[11:11] <newlinuxguy> I became paranoid
[11:11] <esc_ape> I think the hacker thing is so overhyped.
[11:11] <BluesKaj> bxnp, what context cmnd do i use  --force?
[11:11] <esc_ape> you're fine.
[11:11] <newlinuxguy> when my friend's server was hacked
[11:11] <Dr_willis> haxoring is the new trend. :)
[11:11] <bxnp> apt-get remove
[11:11] <johey> newlinuxguy: Btw... Keeping 120G of important data with no backups is generally not really a good idea.
[11:11] <IceMang> lol
[11:11] <newlinuxguy> yeah, I'm looking to purchase a hard drive for that reason
[11:12] <bxnp> so apt-get remove your_program --force-yes
[11:12] <newlinuxguy> it's a no-brainer, i know
[11:12] <Dr_willis> 120 is barley enough to store my.. err.. vacation videos...
[11:12] <Dr_willis> :)
[11:12] <newlinuxguy> I just procrastinate
[11:12] <IceMang> how important is it?  is this your personal collection?
[11:12] <stdin> newlinuxguy: only way for them to get it is with samba/nfs and/or ssh and when they are set to listed on any address, if you restrict them to the LAN, then they can't get in
[11:12] <esc_ape> I want to get one of those 500 gig drives
[11:12] <ns_> 120g of important data ? hard to come up with that much unless it is all multimedia
[11:12] <esc_ape> because I have alot of porn and stolen movies
[11:12] <IceMang> I knew a guy who had 1.5 TB of storage and used it all for warez
[11:13] <IceMang> I think I'd be happy with only 1 TB of warez
[11:13] <newlinuxguy> It's alot of multimedia, and none of it's porn fyi.  I'm free from those chains
[11:13] <Dr_willis> yea - once ya get over 1TB its silly
[11:13] <Dr_willis> :)
[11:13] <ns_> the internet is your backup for warez and pirated stuff .... why would you wast time and money for local backups ?
[11:13] <newlinuxguy> lots of fam pics, docs, personal music
[11:13] <IceMang> it wasn't me, ns_
[11:14] <IceMang> it was my "friend" ;)
[11:14] <ns_> heh
[11:14] <BluesKaj> nope , bxnp , it sticks like sh_t to a blanket ...same error response :(
[11:14] <newlinuxguy> okay, well thanks guys
[11:14] <newlinuxguy> I'm glad I'm finally making the move to linux
[11:14] <johey> Having a digital camera with about 10 MP with no image compression is enough for quickly filling large amount of storage space.
[11:14] <IceMang> Has anyone used stresslinux at all?
[11:15] <esc_ape> never heard of it
[11:15] <bxnp> oke maybe this will work, what happends if you reinstall BluesKaj
[11:15] <newlinuxguy> im getting a free cd of Vista from teh powertogether promotion
[11:15] <BluesKaj> this is stressful enuff for me :)
[11:15] <newlinuxguy> and have been reading up on it
[11:15] <bxnp> does it download the file or does it reinstall from your cache
[11:15] <newlinuxguy> and realized that it's time to learn linux
[11:15] <IceMang> it's a burn-in package.  stress for the machine, not for the user =)
[11:15] <draik> Hello everyone
[11:15] <newlinuxguy> hi draik
[11:15] <draik> How do I make k3b burn a Dual Layer DVD? I have a dual layer burner and blank media.
[11:15] <draik> hello newlinuxguy
[11:16] <E_mE> yoyo
[11:16] <BluesKaj> bxnp, not sure ...
[11:16] <E_mE> can anyone guide me to resolving a problem with the shutdown processing kubuntu
[11:16] <E_mE> the screen tends to go blank
[11:16] <surgy> is there a way to set an executable file to have root permissions without opening kterm and giving sudo everytime?
[11:17] <E_mE> and most the time i must forcefully shut down the computer
[11:17] <johey> surgy: chmod +s
[11:17] <johey> surgy: Consider the security issue though.
[11:17] <surgy> johey: so cd [directory]  snesmul chmod +s  ?
[11:18] <surgy> johey: it will just give my snes emulator permission
[11:18] <johey> surgy: chmod +s /path/to/the/executable/file
[11:18] <E_mE> surgy: what does the +s represent??
[11:19] <johey> surgy: Make sure no other user have writing permission to that file.
[11:20] <E_mE> well can anyone answer me?
[11:20] <esc_ape> E_mE : there's a post on kubuntuforums that addresses that issue
[11:20] <esc_ape> lemme find it
[11:20] <E_mE> thank you
[11:21] <E_mE> esc_ape: are you refering to the shutdown problem or the +s?
[11:21] <esc_ape> shutdown
[11:21] <E_mE> because since i've installed the ATI driver from ATI site it keeps happening
[11:21] <E_mE> thank you esc_ape :)
[11:22] <Tm_T> O.o
[11:22] <E_mE> Kubuntu is a great distro, i keep getting pleased with it every time
[11:22] <E_mE> finding new features and how simple it is to learn new things
[11:22] <smaggard> does anyone have an estimate for how much autocad 07 full costs?
[11:23] <smaggard> is it like $7,000?
[11:23] <Dr_willis> would not be suprised
[11:23] <smaggard> i know the LT version is like $900 or so
[11:23] <smaggard> but that doesnt do any 3d rendering
[11:23] <smaggard> i just cant find anywhere to get a quote on the full version without calling a reseller and they are all closed now
[11:23] <K-Ryan> !bug
[11:23] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[11:24] <feka> Witam
[11:24] <johey> smaggard: I'm not sure your asking in the right channel. :p
[11:24] <feka> Polakw brak/
[11:24] <feka> ?
[11:25] <smaggard> lol
[11:25] <Dr_willis> smaggard,  i imagine a lot depends on the # of licenses and other thangs.
[11:25] <Dr_willis> its that 'kind' of a program :)
[11:25] <E_mE> any luck on my situation esc_ape?
[11:26] <johey> feka: This is an English speaking channel.
[11:26] <esc_ape> E_mE : still looking
[11:27] <E_mE> :) - Also, where can i look to disable the KDM at boot up so i go streight into console... i have looked on google but not much luck
[11:27] <smaggard> yeah
[11:27] <Dr_willis> E_mE,  disable the kdm service from starting
[11:27] <draik> Anyone know how to make k3b burn a dual layer dvd?
[11:28] <smaggard> i would say a single user license would cost about 7K for the full 07 version
[11:28] <E_mE> Dr_willis: in system settings?
[11:28] <smaggard> or they could just get a cracked version lol
[11:28] <Dr_willis> E_mE,  no idea where at there with a gui :) i know how to do it by hand.
[11:28] <esc_ape> E_mE : http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=10455.0
[11:28] <esc_ape> easy fix
[11:28] <Dr_willis> "system Services (runlevel editor) " i see in my menus
[11:29] <E_mE> esc_ape: thank you very much :)
[11:30] <E_mE> Dr_willis: ill have a look thanx
[11:30] <archangel_> hi all
[11:30] <archangel_> shalom
[11:30] <archangel_> I have a flsh drive question
[11:30] <archangel_> flash drive I mean
[11:30] <esc_ape> E_mE : to disable KDM, do this: sudo apt-get install sysv-rc-conf and then sudo sysv-rc-conf and uncheck KDM
[11:31] <esc_ape> sysv-rc-conf is good to have if you're into running a lean system
[11:31] <archangel_> I bought a 2 gig flash drive and what do I do to get it to register with kubuntu?
[11:31] <E_mE> :D woo thanx
[11:32] <E_mE> sorry i'm asking a fair few questions, ive been running it for a week or so and just want to iron our a few little problems ive had
[11:32] <Dr_willis> archangel_,  plug it in.. and it should.. pop up a window.
[11:32] <E_mE> ive managed to install and get some stuff work
[11:32] <E_mE> working
[11:32] <esc_ape> E_mE : no prob. ask away
[11:32] <archangel_> nothing happens Dr_willis
[11:32] <archangel_> Dr_willis: it lights up and thats about it
[11:33] <E_mE> esc_ape: with the glrfx drivers (ATI drivers) - can i use the vga=0x31B in the grub menu.list config?
[11:33] <esc_ape> no idea
[11:33] <Dr_willis> archangel_,  open up Konqueror and see whats in media:/
[11:33] <E_mE> because i can't seem to get into the console when i select Console mode... screen just goes blank
[11:33] <archangel_> ok
[11:33] <E_mE> not in X but in pure console
[11:34] <esc_ape> what are you trying to do?
[11:34] <archangel_> Dr_willis: just HD and CDRom comes up
[11:34] <E_mE> esc_ape: from the KDM, select Console Mode..
[11:34] <E_mE> esc_ape: but i'm hoping your link will resolve that problem too
[11:35] <esc_ape> I really dont know, I dont use KDM
[11:35] <archangel_> Dr_willis: I plugged in the drive in my hub and stright in the rear USB ports and I get the same result
[11:35] <esc_ape> but I know the solution from the link will stop your screen from turning blank on logout
[11:35] <E_mE> esc_ape: much apprisated :)
[11:36] <Dr_willis> archangel_,  Hmm... starts to get a little more in depth from here..  You accessed thois usb gizmo befor in other machines and OS's ?
[11:37] <archangel_> no I just opened the package
[11:37] <esc_ape> does anyone have a guide for setting up a separate /home partition?
[11:37] <archangel_> I can check it real quick on a laptop I have here
[11:39] <sleepy745> Are there any Kubuntu books out there that are sold? All I can find is Ubuntio.. :(
[11:39] <E_mE> esc_ape, couldnt you create /_home as you new partition, copy the information across
[11:40] <E_mE> and then boot into root and swap around the names of the folder and partition
[11:40] <esc_ape> yeah I'm guessing just change fstab as well
[11:40] <esc_ape> I want to make sure before messing it up
[11:40] <E_mE> aye
[11:41] <E_mE> i think that method would work
[11:42] <E_mE> dont see why not as /home is only used for non-root user reasons
[11:42] <E_mE> is it a new HDD you have?
[11:42] <esc_ape> im going to do a kde-core install with a separate /home
[11:42] <BluesKaj> bxnp, I found a fix after downloading another vers : sudo dpkg -i --force-depends-version wpasupplicant_0.5.5-4_i386.deb
[11:42] <esc_ape> no...I just want to do it
[11:42] <archangel_> Dr_willis: ok it works fine on the laptop
[11:42] <bxnp> cool BluesKaj :)
[11:43] <BluesKaj> bxnp, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2022936
[11:44] <cap|com> can someone help me with this: i've an via onboard sound chip ac97 with edgy. normal sound works fine, but there is no midi device detected. is there a package missing or how is this simply set up? i am quite new with linux and wound be glad to handle this within the kde or with not too much terminal actions if possible :)
[11:44] <E_mE> sysv-rc-conf is a nice binary
[11:44] <E_mE> :)
[11:47] <esc_ape> E_mE: here's a good listing of services: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89491&highlight=sysv-rc-conf
[11:48] <archangel_> does anyone know how to setup flash drives?
[11:49] <archangel_> mine is not registering for some reason. I'm using dapper
[11:49] <E_mE> esc_ape:  thank you very much
[11:50] <archangel_> ipod works great, but not the flash drive
[11:50] <yuriy> archangel_: it should pop up automatically, ask what you want to do and make an icon on your desktop
[11:50] <sleepy745> what's a really good book to help teach linux commands and kubuntu?..
[11:50] <yuriy> archangel_: should also show up in media:/
[11:51] <yuriy> archangel_: but if it didn't, you count try mounting it yourself
[11:51] <yuriy> archangel_: sudo mount /dev/sda1 /some/folder
[11:51] <archangel_> yeah, I know what it's SUPPOSED to do, but I dont know what to do when it doesnt.  yuriy
[11:51] <jarn> I have a Calculator button on my keyboard so I tried to set KCalc up to launch with it, but Linux does not seem to recognize it as a key. When I press it, nothing appears in the Shortcut box. It does not realize a key is being pressed.
[11:51] <archangel_> stumped
[11:52] <yuriy> archangel_: run dmesg and see if there's anything new when you plug in the drive
[11:52] <archangel_> ok
[11:53] <archangel_> hey, I typed that last command you gave me and it said it could not find device (yes, its plugged in)
[11:54] <archangel_> wow, dmesg brought up pages of stuff
[11:55] <ianMAC> lol
[11:55] <E_mE> cya later goona try and reboot
[11:55] <archangel_> yuriy: 18586146.068000]  atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e059 <keycode>' to make it known
[11:56] <archangel_> yuriy: [18586157.628000]  atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0xd9 on isa0060/serio0).
[11:57] <bobjhk> How can I be signed in twice to konversation!? I was bobleny, then I got a message that says my nick is in use, even though I was already on konversastion in #kubuntu.... Thats weird...
[11:57] <surgy> ok so chmod +s didnt fix it
[11:58] <surgy> its an snes emulator
[11:58] <surgy> it says that it needs admin privs to change the desktop resolution
[11:58] <surgy> so i give it admin and it still sucks
[11:58] <sleepy745> Anyone know where to get the latest version of Kiba dock..? THere
[11:58] <sleepy745>             are alot on the net and it's confusing
[11:58] <ianMAC> I'm boreeddd
[11:59] <surgy> ianmac: you good with kubuntu?
[11:59] <ianMAC> ok i guess
[11:59] <yuriy> archangel_: that's just some keyboard thing.. those are the last messages in there?
[11:59] <surgy> well if your bored enough to walk me through getting my ipod mounting right i whould greatly apreciate it
[12:00] <newlinuxguy> it would be nice if I could see what's going on in the background in my install from the minimal install cd so I know if it's downloading the packages or if it's hung
[12:01] <ianMAC> i'm not sure, lol. I have my computer partitioned so that I use my ipod on windows :P
[12:01] <archangel_> yuriy: man, its those commands over and over again (only substituting the e059 to e001
[12:02] <archangel_> yuriy: you think it might be interfering with my wireless keyboard and mouse?
[12:02] <archangel_> yuriy: if so, thats really strange
[12:02] <ianMAC> yawn
[12:04] <newlinuxguy> shouldn't my hard drive be going crazy if software is being installed?  I'm running the minimal installl cd because the iso didn't work so it's in the phase of downlaoding software (I selected Kubuntu and LAMP)
[12:04] <newlinuxguy> is there a way to see what's going on in the back end or in the console?
[12:04] <newlinuxguy> it's hung @ 6% for a few minutes right now
[12:04] <Phlosten> newlinuxguy: what specs pc?
[12:05] <surgy> ianmac: you up to the chalenge?
[12:05] <newlinuxguy> 1 ghz, 512 meg ram
[12:05] <newlinuxguy> 80 gig hd with 12 as root, 2gig as swap, and rest /home
[12:05] <ianMAC> nah
[12:05] <Phlosten> newlinuxguy: there is a lot of decompression going on, so not just all io writes
[12:05] <newlinuxguy> the "core" installs fine
[12:05] <surgy> ok lol fair enough
[12:05] <newlinuxguy> okay
[12:05] <ianMAC> :P
[12:05] <newlinuxguy> so just let it do it's thing
[12:06] <newlinuxguy> I'm just used to winblows making my hd sing every time I have to wife my hard drive 3 times a year because it's such a poorly written system
[12:06] <newlinuxguy> heheh
[12:06] <Phlosten> newlinuxguy: yeah, give it a few more minutes ;)
[12:06] <newlinuxguy> i love knockin on them
[12:07] <newlinuxguy> okay thanks phlosten, I just got paranoid at the whole 10 mins @ 6% deal because my server kept hanging with the basic install .iso
[12:07] <ns_> but just think how many MSCE types would be lined up at soup kitchens, if it wasn't for them, newlinuxguy
[12:08] <newlinuxguy> hehe
[12:08] <newlinuxguy> well, I can't flex any certification muscles
[12:08] <ns_> think of their poor starved children .... won't somebody please think of the children ?  <eg>
[12:08] <newlinuxguy> lol
[12:09] <Phlosten> newlinuxguy: still stuck?
[12:10] <newlinuxguy> I am getting the most brief little spurts of i/o
[12:10] <newlinuxguy> but Im not confident that this is due to install going because it's been over 10 mins at 6%
[12:10] <Phlosten> newlinuxguy: did you test the cd?
[12:11] <newlinuxguy> it was the 8.4 mb mini
[12:11] <newlinuxguy> couldn't find a hash to compare
[12:11] <Phlosten> mini?
[12:11] <newlinuxguy> lemme fetch the url
[12:12] <SoulChild> HI ALL
[12:12] <VR_> I'm unable to browse audio cds in edgy. I just see a blank window... it works on dapper fine, though. Does anyone know what the deal is here?
[12:12] <SoulChild> anyone having little problems with beryl like me? menu shadow displayed wrong, and no beryl symbol in taskbar
[12:13] <newlinuxguy> Phlo -
[12:13] <newlinuxguy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[12:13] <newlinuxguy> i went this way
[12:13] <newlinuxguy> because the 700 meg kept giving me random erros
[12:13] <newlinuxguy> even though
[12:13] <newlinuxguy> the checksum was good
[12:13] <newlinuxguy> doh!
[12:14] <newlinuxguy> I wanted to write a little ditty about my experience installling ubuntu
[12:14] <newlinuxguy> but maybe taht will have to get pissed on and thrown in the fire :)'
[12:14] <esc_ape> how do you backup kmail?
[12:14] <newlinuxguy> cuz im not doing so well
[12:14] <newlinuxguy> it hated my desktop
[12:15] <newlinuxguy> and I've spent a few hours getting hung on install