[12:20] <rpedro> hello
[12:21] <coz_> rpedro, hey guy :)
[12:21] <rpedro> is it possible that somewhere I can download the edgy background from before the final release?
[12:21] <rpedro> the one that was pulled
[12:21] <coz_> rpedro, you mean that nice medium brown one?
[12:22] <rpedro> don't remember very well, but I think yeah :)
[12:22] <coz_> rpedro, I don't know I believe that was from hoary version but Ihve the fixed version avialable
[12:22] <rpedro> not the one that is available as an alternative in feisty though
[12:23] <coz_> rpedro, let me post the one i have see if that is the one you want hold on a few
[12:23] <rpedro> I think it was a similar color, but better design
[12:23] <rpedro> ok
[12:24] <coz_> rpedro, see if thi sis theone you  mean  http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/435/wartyfinalwsubuntuqm6.png
[12:25] <rpedro> yes it is :D
[12:25] <rpedro> it's perfect
[12:25] <coz_> rpedro, ok that is my fixed version :)
[12:25] <rpedro> thank you
[12:25] <coz_> rpedro, no problem
[12:25] <rpedro> you say this was made for warty originally?
[12:26] <coz_> rpedro, I believe it was let me check on that
[12:26] <coz_> rpedro, yeah that was the warty final I believe
[12:26] <rpedro> ok, thanks again
[12:26] <coz_> rpedro, I added the ubuntu symbol in perspective and the ubuntu word
[12:28] <rpedro> hmm do you have the original clean version?
[12:28] <coz_> rpedro, i can make it for you if you give me fiveminutes :)
[12:28] <rpedro> great :D
[12:28] <kwwii> op #ubuntu-artwork
[12:28] <kwwii> rem
[12:29] <kwwii> lol
[12:29] <kwwii> well, the topic is off topic
[12:29] <kwwii> that I can tell you
[12:29] <kwwii> sorry as it is
[12:29] <kwwii> anyway, time for bed
[12:30] <kwwii> cliff has nothing to do with feisty
[12:30] <coz_> rpedro, it will take me about 15 have to switch to another system hold on if you want it still
[12:38] <coz_> rpedro, still there?
[12:38] <rpedro> yep
[12:38] <coz_> rpedro, hold on let me post it for you
[12:39] <coz_> rpedro, ok see if this is what you wanted   http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4929/wartyfinalwsubuntuqm6ud9.png
[12:39] <rpedro> yes it is!
[12:39] <coz_> rpedro, don't forget to zoom in on that image to get the full resolution
[12:40] <rpedro> alright
[12:40] <rpedro> :D
[12:40] <coz_> rpedro, have fun :)
[12:40] <rpedro> thanks a lot :)
[12:40] <coz_> rpedro, absolutely no problem guy :)
[01:49] <troy_s> rpedro
[01:50] <troy_s> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/EdgyArtworkPlan/Produce/Incoming/CurrentDefault
[01:50] <troy_s> that is the splash, gdm, and wall
[01:50] <troy_s> it is packaged for Fesity -- someone created a package for it should it should be available from the Feisty repos once Feisty is released.
[01:52] <troy_s> and no, it wasn't developed for Warty.
[01:25] <alefteris> hi everyone!
[01:26] <alefteris> Can the font used with the gdm login screen be configured?
[01:26] <alefteris> and if yes, how?
[01:31] <alefteris> how can i check out the default human gdm theme? Its the theme that specifies the fonts used, right?
[01:58] <alefteris> how do i know which code branch is used on the current edgy packages, for example for this https://code.launchpad.net/edgy-gdm-themes/+branches?field.lifecycle=Any+Status&field.lifecycle-empty-marker=1
[04:15] <troy_s> alefteris:
[04:16] <troy_s> alefteris: GDM font -- yes.  You can configure it.  Locate the gtkrc in the theme.
[04:16] <troy_s> alefteris: /usr/share/gdm/
[04:16] <troy_s> alefteris: and to checkout the proper code branches:
[04:17] <troy_s> alefteris: go to https://launchpad.net/products and search for the product
[04:17] <troy_s> for example, blubuntu
[04:18] <troy_s> APE - https://launchpad.net/blubuntu-look and click the "code" section from the left panel
[04:18] <troy_s> alefteris: then simply follow the trunk, and you will get a bzr path that will work for a checkout.
[04:18] <troy_s> each release has its own title-
[04:19] <troy_s> for example - edgy-gdm-themes is the the edgy one.  feisty-gdm-themes is feisty
[04:19] <troy_s> if you do a bzr checkout, you will pull the head.
[04:19] <troy_s> alefteris: hope this helps... message me if you need more information.
[04:19] <troy_s> alefteris: the font line should be self explanatory
[04:21] <troy_s> wiki.ubuntu.com/Bzr for more help
[04:21] <troy_s> on bazaar
[04:26] <alefteris> ok i downloaded the source package and took a look at the Human.xml
[04:27] <alefteris> and it is using Bitstream Vera fonts instead of dejavu fonts
[04:27] <alefteris> the resaul is that some characters look bad in the greek language with the bitstream fonts
[04:29] <alefteris> what part of the theme the xml file controls? the text above the text-box?
[04:33] <alefteris> i created a bug about it here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/edgy-gdm-themes/+bug/70829
[04:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70829 in edgy-gdm-themes "gdm should use dejavu fonts" [Low,Needs info] 
[04:35] <troy_s> alefteris: did that get resolved though?
[04:35] <troy_s> there were discussions as to why they used bitstream
[04:35] <troy_s> do you know how to branc
[04:35] <troy_s> the steps aren't listed on the wiki yet but basically,
[04:36] <troy_s> read the Bzr tutorial on how to bracnh
[04:36] <troy_s> branch even
[04:36] <troy_s> fix the code
[04:36] <troy_s> push your revisions to your bazaar directory
[04:36] <alefteris> can you point me to the discasions in favor of using bitstream?
[04:36] <troy_s> 1) push your revisions to your private bazaar directions.
[04:36] <troy_s> 2) attach the new branch to the bug report
[04:36] <troy_s> with a comment
[04:37] <troy_s> 3) notify the artwork packaging folks.
[04:37] <troy_s> that is effectively the process daniel and myself discussed.
[04:41] <alefteris> troy_s, i'll try to get through those steps later, should be a good introduction to the way bug fixing works in ubuntu
[04:41] <troy_s> alefteris: no one has put much time into it
[04:41] <troy_s> so i am trying to get a process in place
[04:42] <troy_s> and lay out documents
[04:42] <alefteris> then i might need some more of your tips
[04:42] <troy_s> that /Bzr is a good starting point
[06:27] <kwwii> hi all
[08:10] <troy_s> kwwii did you speak to sab about his plans for Feisty?
[08:10] <troy_s> lol
[08:14] <troy_s> kwwii?
[08:22] <troy_s> kwwii: ping me when you are in or PM me with what you can milk out of the ever-so-caring masses.
[08:24] <kwwii> troy_s: packing my clothes for the trip to oslo...be back in about 15 min
[08:24] <troy_s> What meet is in Oslo?
[08:25] <TheSheep> that's a quick trip
[08:25] <troy_s> midway?
[08:35] <kwwii> re
[08:35] <kwwii> there is a dev meeting in oslo next week
[08:35] <kwwii> I leave tomorrow
[08:36] <kwwii> so...
[08:36] <kwwii> two 1.5 hour flights as a I have to fly over amsterday
[08:36] <kwwii> m
[08:36] <kwwii> troy_s: as far as I know, I will be working on kubuntu
[08:36] <kwwii> and also some on ubuntu
[08:36] <kwwii> to what extent is unclear to me yet
[08:37] <kwwii> next week I'll meet up with mark and I am sure he will let me know ;-)
[08:37] <troy_s> kwwii there is a shocker
[08:37] <kwwii> yeah
[08:37] <kwwii> from what I have heard, cliff is not working on ubuntu
[08:37] <troy_s> the good old Free software art and design caring level.
[08:37] <troy_s> he was up when i had mail from mark last time.
[08:37] <troy_s> but that was quite a while ago.
[08:37] <kwwii> hrm
[08:38] <kwwii> well, at least the other devs do not know about it
[08:38] <kwwii> they made me co-maintainer of the auto-artwork stuff
[08:38] <kwwii> daniel wants to make sure that the work from all the art teams get in as packages
[08:39] <kwwii> we'll also be working on that next week
[08:39] <kwwii> perhaps I have missed something in ubuntu-artwork...can you tell me what is going on?
[08:39] <kwwii> afaik, nothing much
[08:39] <kwwii> the community, I mean
[08:41] <troy_s> yes i know that... i have been liasing with daniel far more than anyone
[08:41] <troy_s> daniel is about the only guy who understands the importance on a larger level
[08:41] <troy_s> perhaps sees a bigger picture and understands the components of it.
[08:42] <troy_s> community is ixne on the Feisty stuff... due to ill conceived and ill believed thoughts on sab's end...
[08:42] <kwwii> I want to try and talk to him about that too, but I am not sure how
[08:43] <kwwii> well, if I am supposed to do this stuff, I think it should be with the community
[08:43] <kwwii> until now, I assumed it would be the CD artwork and other print stuff
[08:44] <kwwii> officialy I do not start until Monday
[08:44] <kwwii> so until now I know very little
[08:45] <troy_s> well even then
[08:45] <troy_s> if you follow sabs approach
[08:46] <troy_s> you still end up with the partitioned discontinuous form
[08:46] <troy_s> different print, different ui look, etc.
[08:46] <troy_s> the consistency level across all of the platforms is awful.
[08:46] <kwwii> yeah, I know that having different stuff from print to ui is desired
[08:46] <troy_s> just look at web presence, compared to os presence, compared to print media, etc.
[08:46] <kwwii> true
[08:46] <troy_s> yeah
[08:46] <troy_s> and that is simply a fundamental poor approach
[08:47] <troy_s> shoddy design as it represents shoddy forethought and poor implementation
[08:47] <troy_s> but gain
[08:47] <kwwii> well, I also know that they are looking for someone to do branding and art direction
[08:47] <kwwii> that person will become my boss
[08:47] <troy_s> that could be addressed by utilizing motifs -- something sab just can't seem to wrap his head around.
[08:47] <troy_s> gong show
[08:48] <kwwii> well, as soon as I know what is going on we can discuss more specific stuff
[08:48] <kwwii> but for now, I don't want to say something I will regret :-)
[08:48] <troy_s> kwwii it matters not really.  in all likelihood
[08:49] <troy_s> if sab drives it, the form will probably suffer...
[08:49] <troy_s> he isn't exactly on the edge of design innovation in terms of desire.
[08:49] <troy_s> which is problematic when your entire product effectively revolves around innovation on a larger scale.
[08:49] <troy_s> kwwii -- that is why I declined all of Mark'
[08:49] <kwwii> yeah, i can see your point
[08:49] <troy_s> s offers in Paris...
[08:50] <troy_s> once you sign the line you need to unfortunately turn some of your thoughts off.
[08:50] <troy_s> which again, doesn't help the cause.
[08:50] <kwwii> to be honest, the way he does things has been 10x better than how it was at suse :p
[08:50] <troy_s> kwwii-- no one said suse did it properly :)
[08:50] <troy_s> but yes, I can see why
[08:50] <troy_s> Hell...
[08:51] <troy_s> he could hire someone who did bloody QA at Electronic Arts and have a better design approach than what is out there.
[08:51] <troy_s> One month.
[08:51] <troy_s> Anyone who has worked in a more well structured environment would be able to lend insight.
[08:51] <troy_s> _anyone_
[08:51] <kwwii> yeah, but without great artists working in that team the best leader in the world can make the art good
[08:52] <kwwii> in the end a lot comes down to that too
[08:52] <kwwii> there is a world of difference between a good artists and a great artist
[08:52] <kwwii> but anyway
[08:52] <kwwii> once I know what my job exactly includes I will certainly spread that info
[08:52] <troy_s> not exactly true
[08:52] <troy_s> much of art is
[08:53] <troy_s> learned anyways...
[08:53] <troy_s> hell... you could teach a monkey classic composition in about 10 minutes :)
[08:53] <troy_s> just getting on the same page
[08:53] <troy_s> goes a long way
[08:53] <kwwii> oh, sure...all kinds of artists are needed but without that one great idea to lead/inspire/direct there is little chance of making a total package that is great
[08:55] <troy_s> kwwii yes...
[08:55] <troy_s> probably agree with you there.
[08:55] <troy_s> that said, the one great idea probably needs to be planned first :)
[08:55] <troy_s> which is, i guess, all i could hope for
[08:55] <troy_s> get some bloody planning in place.
[08:57] <kwwii> yeah, true
[08:59] <troy_s> sit down and start discussing contemporary art and design
[08:59] <troy_s> look at art movements and trends... etc.
[08:59] <kwwii> lol, yeah with mark
[08:59] <troy_s> figure out where things 'are', and push them to where they are 'going'
[08:59] <kwwii> I am sure he is time/desire to discuss that with me
[08:59] <troy_s> exactly
[08:59] <troy_s> that is exactly my point
[08:59] <troy_s> he doesn't
[09:00] <troy_s> he could give a shit less
[09:00] <kwwii> I mean, he is like the client in this relationship
[09:00] <troy_s> that doesn't matter
[09:00] <troy_s> the force that governs all is audience
[09:00] <kwwii> and the client always has a veto right
[09:00] <troy_s> yes
[09:00] <troy_s> as designer though, he needs to be ready for innovation
[09:00] <troy_s> ready for chance
[09:00] <troy_s> ready for risk
[09:00] <troy_s> etc.
[09:00] <kwwii> so if the manager does not get the work good enough the client cries bullshit and that pisses everyone off
[09:00] <troy_s> veto based on what he wants his desktop to look like is bog.
[09:00] <kwwii> but in a community you cannot piss everyone off and the expect them to keep working
[09:00] <troy_s> pissing people off will happen
[09:01] <troy_s> 'good enough' is relative... in edgy's case it was relative to mark.
[09:01] <troy_s> my mailbox told a different story
[09:01] <troy_s> in the end it doesn't matter
[09:01] <kwwii> I mean, last time frank was supposed to lead things
[09:01] <kwwii> and in the end it was vetoed
[09:01] <troy_s> he tried on many levels... marks attention is about where it is for Fesity
[09:01] <troy_s> he just doesn't care
[09:01] <troy_s> until the very end
[09:01] <kwwii> seems like a normal situation that can happen at any design company
[09:02] <troy_s> not at a design company
[09:02] <troy_s> at a clueless shop
[09:02] <troy_s> perhaps
[09:02] <kwwii> true that he does not understand the long term aspects
[09:02] <troy_s> bingo
[09:02] <troy_s> _spot_ on.
[09:02] <troy_s> and i know of no way of communicating things to him as he is simply far more stubborn than plausible.
[09:02] <kwwii> but beleive me I wrote a few emails to him trying to explain things, and at first I think it really pissed him off
[09:02] <troy_s> hell, as i said, he was arguing colour theory... which is fine if you have READ A BOOK ON IT.
[09:02] <troy_s> hell even read wikipedia
[09:02] <kwwii> but finally he saw the truth of it
[09:03] <troy_s> truth of?
[09:03] <kwwii> the explanation I gave of what went wrong last time
[09:03] <troy_s> what went wrong was him
[09:03] <kwwii> he stopped talking to me and said he would hire someone else
[09:03] <troy_s> i have been involved in enough successful creative ventures for the longest time
[09:03] <kwwii> but in the end, he did hire me
[09:03] <troy_s> right out of university
[09:04] <troy_s> when the director don't care, the product reflects such
[09:04] <kwwii> so either he figured it out, or figured out that he cannot figure it out
[09:04] <troy_s> sure... at least he stands a chance to trust you
[09:04] <troy_s> also the various arms of ubuntu need to start talking
[09:04] <troy_s> it seems jane,  matt, et all are all on different pages.
[09:04] <troy_s> _especially_ when it comes to art and design.
[09:05] <troy_s> right now, having ONE design is crippling too.
[09:05] <troy_s> if you can call the default looks 'design'
[09:06] <troy_s> in the end, the difference with one of the projects being successful and being not so successful is simply the fact that either the head leader puts the shit in or they don't.
[09:06] <troy_s> and that isn't exactly a good grounding for evaluation.
[09:08] <kwwii> dude, I am kinda worried about what will happen next week
[09:08] <kwwii> as I was told that he will work very closely with me
[09:08] <kwwii> anyway
[09:09] <kwwii> I'm going back to packing my stuff...my wife finished ironing clothes, now I have to pack them
[09:09] <kwwii> bbl
[09:09] <troy_s> i'd be worried too.
[09:10] <troy_s> you run the risk of utterly pleasing sabdfl -- which is in all likelihood a recipe for piss poor design.
[10:05] <BHSPitMonkey> :)