[09:25] <sunshine> hi togheter
[09:33] <sunshine> will there be a lesson over the linux kernel someday?
[09:34] <sunshine> does nobody know? :(
[09:35] <tonyyarusso> sunshine: Someday, yes.  When, I'm not sure :S
[09:35] <sunshine> ok thank you :)
[09:36] <tonyyarusso> sunshine: I'm trying to put together a schedule for 2007, so feel free to add your class requests to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/Ideas
[09:36] <sunshine> ok thanks a lot tonyyarusso^^
[09:42] <mnoir> btw - i just had to click on the channel in my msg to you to join :)
[09:42] <mnoir> are you here?
[09:42] <OmegaCenti> Yes. :)
[09:43] <mnoir> ok - i wanted to answer your question without the noise but stillallow others to see if they want
[09:43] <OmegaCenti> wonderful.
[09:43] <mnoir> this channel is for formal lectures and this kind of thing as well
[09:43] <OmegaCenti> I will be an apt student.
[09:43] <mnoir> there are several standard types
[09:44] <mnoir> .deb is the type that is most applicable to ubuntu as it is a debian type of package
[09:44] <mnoir> packages in the official repositories are the most reliable but others will work
[09:44] <OmegaCenti> Official repositories...
[09:44] <mnoir> IFF they have been built with the correct lbs
[09:45] <mnoir> look in your /etc/apt/sources.list to see the official repositories
[09:45] <mnoir> that is the most direct way to see
[09:45] <OmegaCenti> one second
[09:45] <mnoir> are you comfortable at a commandline?
[09:46] <OmegaCenti> I am confortable with only these commands: ls, dir, cd, and that is about it :)
[09:46] <OmegaCenti> and man
[09:46] <mnoir> ok - i can prompt you the best command is > less /etc/apt/sou<press tab>
[09:47] <sunshine> for what is the command man?
[09:47] <mnoir> less is a dumper with backwards built in
[09:47] <OmegaCenti> ooooooooo.
[09:47] <OmegaCenti> Nice.!
[09:47] <mnoir> man is to look at the manual page (if one exists)
[09:47] <sunshine> ah ok thanks :)
[09:47] <mnoir> i advize you to understand any command b4 typing it
[09:48] <mnoir> man also documents file structures
[09:48] <OmegaCenti> less I guyess allows you to press keys before it scrolls a page?
[09:48] <OmegaCenti> and concats a file to the screen I assume.
[09:48] <mnoir> OmegaCenti: yes - like the cat command combined with the more command with backwards also so you can move around
[09:49] <OmegaCenti> very nice.
[09:49] <mnoir> man would document any of these :)
[09:49] <OmegaCenti> Linux seems so much more powerful then windows.
[09:49] <mnoir> sometimes man will refer you to info.
[09:49] <mnoir> it can be but it also wears it's technology a little more on the outside
[09:50] <mnoir> info is an emacs-like system.  i do not like it but i do not like emacs.  sometimes it is the only doc available
[09:50] <OmegaCenti> This is very much to my liking, but obviously it comes with a learning curve.
[09:50] <mnoir> now we are approx 15.3 miles from our subjetc :)
[09:50] <OmegaCenti> hahaha!
[09:51] <OmegaCenti> I have attention deficit disorder and have the ability to branch any conversation with seconds.
[09:51] <OmegaCenti> I apologize, continue :)
[09:51] <mnoir> you need none of this if you are willing to trust instructions w/o understanding.  i don't like that
[09:51] <mnoir> i am trained to multiprocess so it dont bother me anyhow.
[09:51] <OmegaCenti> Please type rm -rf * in your nerest terminal window...
[09:51] <mnoir> do not even joke about that
[09:51] <OmegaCenti> anyone who read that please do not do so.
[09:52] <OmegaCenti> it will destroy your system.
[09:52] <mnoir> somebody will do it in the other channel and start crying
[09:52] <gnomefreak> OmegaCenti: dont even need to bring it up
[09:52] <sunshine> lol
[09:52] <mnoir> ubuntu is (sometimes painfully) politically correct to beginners
[09:53] <OmegaCenti> Okay So i checked the repositories and noticed there were 2 listed in the file
[09:53] <OmegaCenti> those are where most packaged that are safe for ubuntu come from I assume.
[09:53] <mnoir> i believe that beginners should be made to read manuals and doc.  but the rules here do not allow forceful recommendations of this :)
[09:54] <mnoir> should have been more - pls pastebin your file
[09:54] <OmegaCenti> I am unfamiliar with the term "pastebin"
[09:54] <OmegaCenti> wait.. I see 6 now.
[09:55] <mnoir> go here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org  and when you have a uri paste that uri here and then i go there to look
[09:55] <mnoir> what - they suddenly appeared ?
[09:55] <mnoir> i doubt it :)
[09:55] <OmegaCenti> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2330/
[09:56] <mnoir> anyhow,  if you go outside of these repositories, things may not work as expected but that is something to handle at the time you do it
[09:56] <OmegaCenti> I thought they were all located at the top.
[09:56] <OmegaCenti> but they are commented out.
[09:57] <mnoir> ok - looks fine.  you should read about universe and multiverse - chances you will want to enable them
[09:57] <OmegaCenti> :-D
[09:57] <sunshine> I sudo the same as when I looged in as the root user?
[09:57] <mnoir> pause for questions then on to the next class of things
[09:58] <OmegaCenti> no questions.
[09:58] <mnoir> sudo is not logging on as root unless you do it in a not recommended fashion
[09:58] <mnoir> ok - there are other package systems
[09:58] <mnoir> there is a conversion pgm to .deb
[09:58] <OmegaCenti> pgm == program?
[09:58] <mnoir> whay would you want to use an alien package?
[09:59] <mnoir> yes - pgm=program and i will stick that in auto complete shortly
[09:59] <OmegaCenti> BEcause it has functionality (maybe) that is not provided in the current package manager?
[09:59] <sunshine> mnoir , the problem is now, it was with my device the nokia 700, the root passsword is empty, I cant become root with gainroot but I can execude commands with sudo...that was the why I ask
[10:00] <mnoir> yes maybe but it is not the manager we are interested in - it is the package :)  if you try to install an alien package there is even more chance it has the wrong libs but, again, you might want to try it.
[10:00] <mnoir> sunshine - you might want to discuss in the main channel :)
[10:01] <OmegaCenti> if it does have wrong libs, can my system be compromised?
[10:01] <mnoir> not usually, just the package will not work
[10:01] <OmegaCenti> is there a clean removal system to remove the package?
[10:01] <mnoir> yes and no
[10:01] <sunshine> ok^^...I ll do this than later :)
[10:01] <OmegaCenti> goodluck sunshine :)
[10:02] <sunshine> thank you OmegaCenti :-D
[10:02] <mnoir> if it was a deb when installed, the remove is clean but dependencies are not removed unless certain steps are taken
[10:02] <OmegaCenti> With enough practice wold I be able to find all the dependencies and remove them myself without fear of harming the system?
[10:03] <mnoir> easier - there are orphan harvesters
[10:03] <OmegaCenti> ?!
[10:03] <OmegaCenti> !orphan harvesters
[10:03] <mnoir> an orphan is a package that nobody depends on
[10:03] <OmegaCenti> oh my.
[10:03] <OmegaCenti> wow.
[10:04] <mnoir> there are several available - gtkorphan and sumpin built into synaptic starting in 6.10 for starters
[10:04] <OmegaCenti> I have 6.1
[10:04] <mnoir> ok - then you can try it when the time comes :)
[10:05] <OmegaCenti> synpatic is the package manage correct?
[10:05] <mnoir> btw, it is 6.10 cuz 10 is the month - a stupid standard but very typical ubuntu
[10:05] <OmegaCenti> then I will refer to it as 6.10
[10:05] <mnoir> helps :)
[10:05] <OmegaCenti> :)
[10:06] <mnoir> so the next class of package
[10:06] <mnoir> source
[10:06] <mnoir> meaning a complete package from which something can be built and installed
[10:06] <OmegaCenti> including library?
[10:06] <mnoir> occasionally you might want to do so
[10:06] <OmegaCenti> Im sorry I do not understand the last comment. Clarify please?
[10:07] <mnoir> not if they are available separately and separately is usual
[10:07] <mnoir> occasionally you might want or need to build from source
[10:07] <mnoir> pause
[10:07] <OmegaCenti> So then would the source provider have to tell you which libraries you need to incorporate in order to use their product?
[10:07] <mnoir> by definition a package tells you that in build readable form
[10:08] <OmegaCenti> ..
[10:08] <mnoir> otherwise it is not a package in my opinion
[10:08] <mnoir> remember dependencies :)
[10:08] <OmegaCenti> so a source package != source code.
[10:08] <mnoir> it is, plus build definition
[10:08] <mnoir> i just built something that came with a compiler
[10:09] <OmegaCenti> I see, and this build definition can be threaded through some program that automatically reads this build definition and grabs the needed libraries automatically?
[10:09] <mnoir> linus is VERY GOOD about this stuff if you stick to the packages :)
[10:09] <mnoir> i was about to explain the long and difficult command to build :)
[10:09] <OmegaCenti> hahaha. Then continues if you will please :)
[10:10] <mnoir> ./configure;make;make test;make install
[10:10] <mnoir> that's it for a proper package
[10:10] <OmegaCenti> really?
[10:10] <OmegaCenti> I am going to save that in a notepad right now.
[10:10] <mnoir> actually replace the ; with &&
[10:10] <mnoir> but i make it in 4 stmts instead
[10:10] <OmegaCenti> NExt proble,m, I just tried to right click my desktop and right click new documents... nothing is there.
[10:11] <mnoir> ?? sec
[10:11] <OmegaCenti> create documents is empty
[10:11] <mnoir> not even empty file?
[10:12] <OmegaCenti> one sec.
[10:12] <OmegaCenti> I apologize. Empty file is there.
[10:12] <mnoir> i have 2 lines - 'no templates installed' and empty file
[10:12] <OmegaCenti> no templated installed.
[10:12] <OmegaCenti> yes.
[10:12] <mnoir> i do not know what kind of templates it is looking for
[10:12] <OmegaCenti> My apologies for not being more observanmt of want is presented before me.
[10:13] <sunshine> what is the command to telnet to another machine in linux?
[10:13] <mnoir> time to ask in the channel :)
[10:13] <mnoir> sunshine - if you have to use telnet, the command is telnet
[10:13] <sunshine> hm okay..sounds logically^^
[10:13] <mnoir> ssh is preferable and the main channel is preferable for the question
[10:14] <sunshine> ok
[10:14] <mnoir> as i understand it, this channel is for the kind of thing i am doing - an extended conversation on a topic :)
[10:14] <mnoir> OmegaCenti: so next class of 'package'?
[10:14] <OmegaCenti> when I do: ./configure;make;make test;make install does int install it to the current directory or does it magically know where it wants to be placed?
[10:15] <mnoir> the build will dictate
[10:15] <mnoir> also -the install step will usually require privs
[10:15] <OmegaCenti> privalages.
[10:15] <OmegaCenti> How do I give it said privs?
[10:15] <mnoir> the build woll accept spex as to where to install if there are choices
[10:15] <mnoir> sudo
[10:15] <OmegaCenti> ah
[10:16] <OmegaCenti> sudo is temporary root privalges to the next few commands correct?
[10:16] <mnoir> sudo is a mechanism for DOing something as SUperuser
[10:16] <OmegaCenti> How do I revoke sudo nonce entered?
[10:16] <mnoir> NO - 1 command
[10:16] <OmegaCenti> uh.....
[10:16] <OmegaCenti> ?
[10:16] <mnoir> sudo will remember your password for a short time
[10:16] <OmegaCenti> I would type no -1 afterwords.
[10:16] <mnoir> you can revoke that
[10:16] <mnoir> no
[10:17] <mnoir> sudo only works for the command presented as parameter
[10:17] <OmegaCenti> ah
[10:17] <OmegaCenti> I need to find the usage of sudo then
[10:17] <mnoir> there are several parms that make longer the period for root privs but i strongly discourage them
[10:17] <OmegaCenti> Would you mind for a sandbox example of installing to package named fubar in this chat?
[10:18] <OmegaCenti> So as to treat this as a terminal window?
[10:18] <mnoir> no problem - it already exists in the repositories
[10:18] <OmegaCenti> in the list thing you provided earlier??
[10:18] <mnoir> but uing this as a term window would not be very easy - how about you just use your own sandbox?
[10:19] <OmegaCenti> ...
[10:19] <mnoir> OmegaCenti: we will need to enable 1 more repo
[10:19] <OmegaCenti> just to pretent.
[10:19] <OmegaCenti> pretend.
[10:19] <mnoir> that is what the sandbox is for :)
[10:20] <OmegaCenti> lol? I am not sure if we are miscommunicating? which sandbox are you referring to?
[10:20] <mnoir> i am suggesting you just use yours :)
[10:20] <OmegaCenti> then I should start typing in this window as If I was about to install fubar?
[10:21] <mnoir> not in this - in a terminal window after we make sure you have an acceptable sandbox
[10:21] <OmegaCenti> ah.
[10:21] <OmegaCenti> then carry on if you would please.
[10:21] <OmegaCenti> I dont know of any source packages to install
[10:21] <mnoir> in a terminal
[10:21] <OmegaCenti> okay a terminal is open
[10:22] <mnoir> type cd to make sure you are in your home dir
[10:22] <mnoir> did you just open it?
[10:22] <OmegaCenti> username@pcname:~$
[10:22] <OmegaCenti> yes.
[10:22] <mnoir> cool - type mkdir sandbox
[10:22] <mnoir> type cd sandbox
[10:22] <OmegaCenti> sandbox is now there
[10:22] <mnoir> type touch aaa
[10:22] <OmegaCenti> im in sandbox
[10:23] <OmegaCenti> I touched something.
[10:23] <mnoir> i am one cmd ahead of you :)
[10:23] <OmegaCenti> lol
[10:23] <mnoir> type ls
[10:23] <mnoir> to confirm it is there
[10:23] <OmegaCenti> aaa shows up as a file I suppose.
[10:23] <mnoir> type ls -l to see some details
[10:23] <mnoir> type rm aaa to remove it
[10:24] <OmegaCenti> cool
[10:24] <OmegaCenti> game me permissions.
[10:24] <mnoir> yep
[10:24] <mnoir> ok - rm it
[10:24] <OmegaCenti> did.
[10:24] <mnoir> ok this is where we can play
[10:24] <OmegaCenti> no longer there with another ls command.
[10:25] <OmegaCenti> sweet.
[10:25] <mnoir> type ls -la to see that it is empty except for . and ..
[10:25] <OmegaCenti> it did weird things
[10:25] <OmegaCenti> said total 8
[10:25] <mnoir> ??
[10:25] <OmegaCenti> then two more lines and some stuff
[10:26] <OmegaCenti> Is it okay to post the next to lines in this chat?
[10:26] <OmegaCenti> it would reveal my username.
[10:26] <mnoir> usr name is not a secure thing unless you use it as a pswd
[10:26] <OmegaCenti> okay
[10:26] <OmegaCenti> drwxr-xr-x  2 omegacenti omegacenti 4096 2007-01-20 15:24 .
[10:26] <OmegaCenti> drwxr-xr-x 19 omegacenti omegacenti 4096 2007-01-20 15:23 ..
[10:27] <mnoir> looks fine :)
[10:27] <OmegaCenti> if only I knew what the first bit of line meant.
[10:27] <mnoir> i need to run the command that i am going to give to you, sec
[10:28] <mnoir> d=directory, the rest is perms.  use man ls to read more while i play for a sec
[10:28] <mnoir> and i am ready for you with the command when you are
[10:28] <OmegaCenti> Thankyou so much for giving me so much time to learn all that you are teaching me.
[10:28] <OmegaCenti> sure.
[10:29] <mnoir> part of this is an exercize for me - i have just volunteered to teach in this channel and i want to make sure i can
[10:29] <OmegaCenti> Then I do have to say you are doing a great job of staying on topic and moving the conversation forward at an educational pace.
[10:30] <mnoir> i have teaching credentials :)
[10:30] <OmegaCenti> :-D
[10:30] <mnoir> so you want to move on or study how ls works?
[10:30] <OmegaCenti> which would you recommend?
[10:31] <mnoir> move on - learning about the output of ls is trivial and you have the tools already to do it
[10:31] <OmegaCenti> wonderful
[10:31] <OmegaCenti> lets move on
[10:31] <mnoir> if you want success at linux, it is necessary that you can do that on your own but do not hesitate to ask for help on it :)
[10:32] <mnoir> you still in sandbox?
[10:32] <OmegaCenti> I shall keep such wisdom in mind :)
[10:32] <OmegaCenti> yes I am still in sandbox directory
[10:32] <mnoir> source packages download to curr dir which is a different behavior from binary packages
[10:33] <OmegaCenti> how are they "downloaded" to curr dir.
[10:33] <OmegaCenti> ?
[10:33] <mnoir> so we can d/l the hellow world package to your sandbox after we get the tools to build
[10:33] <OmegaCenti> okay
[10:33] <mnoir> d/l is done using the same tool as install
[10:33] <OmegaCenti> oy one thing mnoir... do you know how in the world to disable tapping on this damned touchpad?
[10:34] <mnoir> ooh - i have forgotten but please tell me when you learn - it is annoying to me too and there are many who will tell you how to do it!
[10:35] <mnoir> just not annoying enuf (lappy is a secondary system)
[10:35] <mnoir> :)
[10:35] <OmegaCenti> thankyou. it is bugging me when I am typing and I magically appear in the middle of my  sentence with the end of the sentence.
[10:35] <OmegaCenti> onward.
[10:35] <mnoir> so we need to install build-essentials
[10:35] <mnoir> how do you install packages now?
[10:35] <OmegaCenti> alrighty then.
[10:36] <OmegaCenti> I travel to synaptics (******something) and navigate blindly or search for words I hear every once and a while from chatrooms.
[10:36] <mnoir> ok - fire up synaptic
[10:36] <OmegaCenti> like konversation is now installed by searching for konversation in synaptivs.
[10:37] <OmegaCenti> It is open.
[10:37] <mnoir> then search for build-essentials
[10:37] <OmegaCenti> it was found in the left columns.
[10:37] <mnoir> it is a metapackage containing lots of tools needed for building
[10:37] <mnoir> install it
[10:37] <OmegaCenti> one sec.
[10:37] <mnoir> (several secs) :)
[10:38] <nothlit> sunshine, sudo -i is the same as logging in as root
[10:38] <OmegaCenti> hm... I am clicking it and right clicking it... nothing is showing up.
[10:38] <mnoir> ??
[10:38] <OmegaCenti> under ALL there is build essentials... but in the right windows where stuff usually shows up nothing is showing up.
[10:38] <OmegaCenti> should I reload?
[10:38] <mnoir> sorry - name is build-essential
[10:39] <mnoir> search for that
[10:39] <OmegaCenti> found
[10:39] <OmegaCenti> stuff in right window found.
[10:39] <mnoir> installit
[10:39] <OmegaCenti> :)
[10:39] <OmegaCenti> everything in the window?
[10:39] <nothlit> !aptitude
[10:39] <OmegaCenti> build-essential...devscripts, dh-buildinfo
[10:40] <mnoir> you just marked 1 and it marked the rest yes?
[10:40] <OmegaCenti> no I havent even marked, I was worried so I did nothing without your prompt.
[10:40] <mnoir> fine - ok - just mark build-essentials for install
[10:41] <OmegaCenti> okay.
[10:41] <mnoir> then apply - several things should ne installed by this
[10:41] <OmegaCenti> it is marked. Should I click apply?
[10:41] <mnoir> yes
[10:41] <OmegaCenti> 8 megs to be downloaded.
[10:41] <nothlit> oh anyways, OmegaCenti if you use aptitude to install things instead of synaptic or apt-get, it tracks it, and can automatically uninstall no longer needed dependencies for you
[10:42] <mnoir> nothlit: 1. that ability is now in synaptic i believe
[10:42] <OmegaCenti> mnoir:  do you agree with nothlit?
[10:42] <mnoir> OmegaCenti: no sure but this can be verified at another time.  for our conversation it is just a distraction
[10:43] <nothlit> mnoir, in synaptic or apt-get? LjL told me he tried the apt-get  auto-remove, and it didn't work very well
[10:43] <OmegaCenti> Oh well, thankyou nothlit anyways :) I appreciate it.
[10:43] <mnoir> ok ok - this is not the time or place - this is not a general discussion channel - #ubuntu is
[10:44] <OmegaCenti> it is installed and I am awaiting your command mnoir
[10:44] <mnoir> everything i say is subject to verification :) but -classroom is not supposed to be like the main channel :)
[10:44] <mnoir> ok - now we get the source package.  i have not figured out how to do so with synaptic so go back to your terminal
[10:45] <OmegaCenti> I am at it.
[10:45] <mnoir> ok - here is the command:  apt-get source hello
[10:45] <OmegaCenti> one sec.
[10:45] <mnoir> it might not work if the repo is not enabled but try it first
[10:45] <OmegaCenti> is there a way to hit ctrl -v in the temrinal window so it pastes using keyboard shortcuts?
[10:46] <mnoir> yes
[10:46] <OmegaCenti> is it worth it to interrupt the conversation to quickly do so?
[10:46] <mnoir> ctrl-c and v should work - they do for me
[10:46] <mnoir> we can
[10:46] <OmegaCenti> it types ^V in the terminal when I hit the combination of keys.
[10:47] <mnoir> hmm - ??
[10:47] <OmegaCenti> I will try again.
[10:47] <OmegaCenti> one sec.
[10:47] <mnoir> doesnt for me :)
[10:47] <nothlit> mnoir, i know what -classroom is for, but we're allowed to pop advice in :P
[10:47] <OmegaCenti> it still does it.
[10:47] <mnoir> what about rt-click paste?
[10:48] <OmegaCenti> gnometemrinal 2.16.1
[10:48] <OmegaCenti> one sec.
[10:48] <OmegaCenti> that works... it just bugs me.
[10:48] <mnoir> dunno...
[10:48] <mnoir> i am running into a time problem -
[10:48] <OmegaCenti> it is getting hello
[10:48] <mnoir> i need 45 min to feed the sheep
[10:48] <nothlit> in gnome-terminal, you use ctrl+shift+c and cltrl+shift+v
[10:49] <OmegaCenti> if so then I will leave you to your needs.
[10:49] <mnoir> i can be bback then
[10:49] <OmegaCenti> by all means mnoir, thankyou for you ample amounts of time spent to teach me.
[10:49] <nothlit> because ctrl+c would terminate your currently running application
[10:49] <OmegaCenti> I will wait If I can, if not I will pm you and give you a reason for leaving.
[10:49] <OmegaCenti> nothlit: thankyou.
[10:50] <mnoir> nothlit: ahh - good point :)
[10:50] <mnoir> OmegaCenti: ok - bbs
[10:51] <OmegaCenti> Im going to set up my other mail accounts in the mean time.
[10:56] <nothlit> OmegaCenti, the first bit of ls -l are permissions
[11:01] <OmegaCenti> oh okay :)
[11:01] <OmegaCenti> sorry was configuring email. :)
[11:17] <OmegaCenti> Ill be back in a few mins..
[11:21] <mnoir> i'm back sheep are fed
[11:21] <mnoir> :)
[11:24] <mnoir> if your source install finished successfully, you will have several new things in    your sandbox
[11:28] <OmegaCenti> back
[11:28] <mnoir> good - metoo
[11:28] <mnoir> sheeps fed
[11:28] <mnoir> we are very close to the end
[11:28] <OmegaCenti> I unfortnately just setup my emails in evolution and then evolution got all my accounts and deleted the messages from the server...
[11:29] <OmegaCenti> I am not too happy about that.
[11:29] <mnoir> whenever setting up new email accounts, i disable delete from server until i like waht i see
[11:30] <mnoir> so lets get to a logical point like looking at the source pkg and successfully building a standard package
[11:30] <OmegaCenti> sure.
[11:30] <mnoir> if your source install finished successfully, you will have several new things in    your sandbox
[11:31] <mnoir> verify?
[11:31] <OmegaCenti> one sec switching rooms
[11:31] <OmegaCenti> lol I move wherver is comfortable with my laptop :)
[11:31] <OmegaCenti> okay so lets verify in the sandbox..
[11:32] <OmegaCenti> .gz, .dsc, .gz
[11:32] <mnoir> should have a dir and a couple of files
[11:32] <OmegaCenti> and a dir
[11:32] <OmegaCenti> yep
[11:32] <mnoir> the files are admin overhead for a std pkg
[11:32] <OmegaCenti> std == standard?
[11:33] <OmegaCenti> !admin overhead.
[11:33] <mnoir> there is a lot of doc on how pkgs are built
[11:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about admin overhead. - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:33] <mnoir> yes
[11:33] <OmegaCenti> alright moving on
[11:33] <mnoir> package control and other things
[11:33] <OmegaCenti> do I need to keep these files after everything said and done?
[11:34] <OmegaCenti> I guess we will get to that
[11:34] <OmegaCenti> continue
[11:34] <mnoir> after install. the entire thing is optional
[11:34] <mnoir> for plain vanilla builds i rerely keep it all but it is only disk space
[11:34] <mnoir> rarely*
[11:35] <mnoir> so cd into the directory
[11:35] <OmegaCenti> so i will delete it then
[11:35] <OmegaCenti> im in dir
[11:35] <mnoir> ls
[11:35] <OmegaCenti> did
[11:35] <mnoir> note - a lot of things in a standard pkg!
[11:35] <OmegaCenti> YEP!
[11:36] <OmegaCenti> a lot of stuff I do not understand at all.
[11:36] <mnoir> man pages, doc, instructions, etc, etc, etc
[11:36] <OmegaCenti> gibberish would make more sense.
[11:36] <mnoir> this is an example package - meant to show how a package is put together
[11:36] <OmegaCenti> cool :)
[11:36] <mnoir> so it contains the ideal
[11:36] <OmegaCenti> names like po should be renamed....
[11:37] <mnoir> then the eggheads would have to learn english
[11:37] <OmegaCenti> :)
[11:38] <mnoir> ok - in every good package is the file INSTALL and if you can read it (it is very good in my opinion) you do not need me anymore :)
[11:38] <OmegaCenti> one sec.
[11:38] <OmegaCenti> less install?
[11:38] <mnoir> get another terminal window in that directory and less INSTALL
[11:39] <OmegaCenti> get another terminal window... just click terminal again under applications?
[11:39] <mnoir> yes
[11:39] <OmegaCenti> one sec.
[11:39] <mnoir> you could probably use a tab in one window but i like mult windows for instructions and doing
[11:40] <OmegaCenti> there are intstructions
[11:40] <OmegaCenti> Do you wish me to read them?
[11:41] <mnoir> btw - left btn will highlight, middle mouse btn will paste whatever is highlit
[11:41] <mnoir> sorry - i had locked the screen
[11:41] <OmegaCenti> I have no middle button :(
[11:41] <OmegaCenti> how do you lick the screen?
[11:41] <mnoir> in the less win, type /sim and press enter
[11:41] <OmegaCenti> lock heheheheh.
[11:42] <OmegaCenti> not found
[11:42] <mnoir> in konv, you scroll up :)
[11:42] <OmegaCenti> oh the simplest way to install the package is:
[11:42] <mnoir> are you looking at file contents of INSTALL?
[11:42] <OmegaCenti> yes
[11:42] <mnoir> 1st line is Copyright??
[11:43] <OmegaCenti> I cant tell now, I typed /sim <enteR>
[11:43] <OmegaCenti> and now I am at the part that tells you how to install.
[11:43] <mnoir> ah - good that is what i wanted to show you - that less has search ability
[11:44] <mnoir> so you see first step is ./configure?
[11:44] <OmegaCenti> yep
[11:44] <mnoir> do that in your other screen in the correct dir
[11:44] <OmegaCenti> Is it okay to write to the windows partition? I am deathly afraid of losing all this mail that I downloaded.
[11:45] <mnoir> ?? - your home dir is in a win partition?
[11:45] <OmegaCenti> configure is done.
[11:45] <OmegaCenti> no
[11:45] <OmegaCenti> but the email i donwloaded is on this linux partition and I would like to back it up to the windows partition.
[11:45] <mnoir> complete question with context then - i am lost
[11:45] <mnoir> ois
[11:45] <mnoir> oh - I see
[11:45] <mnoir> is it ntfs or fat?
[11:46] <OmegaCenti> ntfs
[11:46] <mnoir> did you install special write ability?
[11:46] <OmegaCenti> dunno.
[11:46] <OmegaCenti> it is mounted though
[11:46] <mnoir> then you will not be able to
[11:46] <mnoir> ntfs requires special hacks to be writable and it is not recommended
[11:46] <OmegaCenti> I assume the default install of the olive cd does not include special write ability
[11:47] <OmegaCenti> okay...
[11:47] <OmegaCenti> then later I will write the email to a cd.
[11:47] <OmegaCenti> and save it for all eternity.
[11:47] <mnoir> is it a lot of mail - if not - send it back out to yourself after disabling mail download
[11:47] <OmegaCenti> its a LOT of mail.
[11:48] <mnoir> oh - I see
[11:48] <OmegaCenti> and I dont quite know how to send it back.
[11:48] <OmegaCenti> I am attemptig to foward it back to my address.
[11:48] <mnoir> if you are going to be tween win and ubuntu i recommend a fat partition for pivot purposes
[11:48] <OmegaCenti> I see.
[11:48] <mnoir> that can be written to from both sides :)
[11:49] <OmegaCenti> can I convert ntfs to fat?
[11:49] <mnoir> without much risk
[11:49] <nothlit> !ntfs-3g OmegaCenti, for later
[11:49] <ubotu> ntfs-3g: Third generation Linux NTFS driver. In component universe, is optional. Version 20060920-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 30 kB, installed size 112 kB
[11:49] <mnoir> that is a win topic - i don't know, dont think so and wouldnt w/o backup
[11:50] <nothlit> no you cannot convert ntfs to fat
[11:50] <mnoir> if you fel you can get that under control, lets finish up
[11:50] <nothlit> !ntfs-3g
[11:50] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[11:50] <mnoir> back on topic pls
[11:50] <nothlit> I said for later T.T
[11:51] <mnoir> may i continue?
[11:51] <OmegaCenti> WOO HOOO!!!! it archived the mail ong gmail!!! never mind. I am back to my former self. On with the wisdom.
[11:51] <OmegaCenti> mnoir, I thankyou for your patience. I  apologize for interupting so.
[11:51] <mnoir> ok - so you are ready to do step 1?
[11:51] <OmegaCenti> yes.
[11:52] <OmegaCenti> .configure was succesful
[11:52] <mnoir> not you i am concerned with
[11:52] <mnoir> ok - that detected all your tools and that a build will work :)
[11:52] <nothlit> mnoir, if you expect absolute silence you can use pms or a secret room
[11:53] <mnoir> nothit this is -classroom and i understand that the way i am managing is expected and proper
[11:54] <OmegaCenti> sweet
[11:54] <nothlit> I'm just saying if you don't want people to butt in, then you can do so
[11:54] <OmegaCenti> so then it said no errors.
[11:54] <mnoir> good - that means that the pkg built according to expectations
[11:55] <mnoir> ls to see if you can detect new files
[11:55] <OmegaCenti> one sec.
[11:55] <mnoir> i am building now :)
[11:55] <OmegaCenti> there are makefiles.
[11:55] <mnoir> sec
[11:56] <mnoir> type ls -latr
[11:56] <OmegaCenti> done.
[11:56] <mnoir> note the last thing is src?
[11:57] <OmegaCenti> I'm sorry?
[11:57] <mnoir> i know it is not intuitive, but this make has dropped the executable in that dir
[11:57] <mnoir> ls -latr produces a list in a certain order with the most recently thing last
[11:57] <mnoir> recently altered :)
[11:58] <mnoir> not the last item is src - verify?
[11:58] <OmegaCenti> hold on Im going to uri paste if you will provide the url again so I may bookmark it.
[11:58] <OmegaCenti> the last item does not appear to be src.
[11:58] <mnoir> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[11:59] <mnoir> always include the command and the prompt at the end
[11:59] <OmegaCenti> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2347/
[12:00] <OmegaCenti> oops
[12:00] <OmegaCenti> left the prompt out
[12:00] <mnoir> that is missing some lines
[12:00] <OmegaCenti> -rw-r--r--  1 omegacenti omegacenti   6269 2007-01-20 16:45 config.h
[12:00] <OmegaCenti> drwxr-xr-x 11 omegacenti omegacenti   4096 2007-01-20 16:45 .
[12:00] <OmegaCenti> omegacenti@ZeNotePad:~/sandbox/hello-2.1.1$
[12:01] <OmegaCenti> hold on
[12:01] <mnoir> huh - src is not listed last in yours - well cd src anyway
[12:02] <OmegaCenti> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2348/
[12:02] <OmegaCenti> done
[12:02] <mnoir> ls -latr there
[12:03] <OmegaCenti> one sec
[12:03] <mnoir> note you have o files (object) and something called hello with no suffix