[12:20] <pochu> hello everyone
[12:24] <pochu> do you know if we will see thunderbird 2.0 in feisty?
[01:29] <doko_> Mithrandir: gcc-4.0: please no, we need it to build libgcc2 on hppa (but no need for it on our supported architectures)
[03:19] <Mez> pitti; are ddebs up for feisty yet
[03:48] <crimsun> Mez: they've been up. http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/ddebs/
[03:54] <Jillian> hello
[05:12] <_ion> -lh
[05:12] <_ion> Whoops.
[06:38] <Seveas> ogra, hmm, we live in interesting times :)
[06:39] <_ion> Yay, tracker is in feisty.
[07:26] <Mithrandir> doko_: ok, so I'll remove the binaries from i386, amd64, ppc, sparc?
[07:27] <Seveas> _ion, \o/
[07:28] <Treenaks> morning
[08:16] <LaserJock> anybody know if deps of a package getting a MIR have to have seperate MIRs?
[08:17] <LaserJock> and do B-Ds also have to be in Main?
[08:25] <Mez> B-Ds do LaserJock not too sure about the other Q
[08:27] <LaserJock> Mez: ok, that's what I was afraid of. But it makes sense ;-)
[12:31] <netstar> what screen font does /etc/console-tools/config use, i like the new edgy font and am trying to set it up
[12:40] <gicmo> compiz and metacity startup is now totally fucked up
[12:41] <Mez> gicmo, feisty ?
[12:41] <gicmo> yeah
[12:42] <Mez> gicmo /topic #ubuntu+!
[12:42] <Mez> gicmo /topic #ubuntu+1 *
[12:42] <gicmo> Mez: ?
[12:43] <Mez> Feisty is NOT stable, and not even close to usable
[12:44] <gicmo> ahh feisty is not stable ... ahh ...
[12:44] <gicmo> ;-)
[12:44] <Mez> gicmo, :P
[12:45] <gicmo> forgive me my sarcasm ;-)
[12:46] <gicmo> Mez, it was not even formulated as a complaint, a question or something like that, just as a expression of "shit, that is broken" ;-)
[12:46] <Mez> oh lol
[12:58] <netstar> I'm sorry I've looked everywhere and no-one is willing to open up a notepad and look at the file /etc/console-tools/config and tell me the default SCREEN_FONT variable for edgy and +
[12:58] <netstar> please can someone help me, i've googled my ass off
[12:59] <netstar> I've also done the IRC thing
[12:59] <netstar> no joy, and so my last resort is developers
[01:01] <geser> it's set to lat0-sun16 here (feisty)
[01:01] <netstar> ty
[01:03] <afflux> jep, here too.
[01:04] <netstar> thank you very much
[01:06] <doko_> Mithrandir: yes please (gcc-4.0)
[01:21] <jsgotangco> man..did dapper had another re-spin after 6.06.1?
[01:22] <jsgotangco> jeez none
[01:22] <bhale> jsgotangco: no.
[01:22] <bhale> jsgotangco: i am starting to get itchy for the next LTS, 2 years is a long time it turns out
[01:23] <jsgotangco> i bought this cheap BenQ Turion64 x2 laptop and just installed 6.06.1 the updates went over 100MB+
[01:23] <jsgotangco> so i was thinking it needs another re-spin in a few months before it reaches a year old
[01:47] <jwendell> doko_, around?
[01:56] <alefteris> hi everyone! how do i know which code branch is used on the current edgy packages, for example for this https://code.launchpad.net/edgy-gdm-themes/+branches?field.lifecycle=Any+Status&field.lifecycle-empty-marker=1
[04:14] <mdke> Ng: around by any chance?
[04:51] <Ng> mdke: only slightly, sup?
[04:51] <mdke> Ng: those email aliases, how do you test them?
[04:52] <mdke> Ng: (and if you have the mysql database details to hand, can you mail em over? Otherwise, it's in rt, so no worries)
[04:53] <Ng> mdke: /usr/sbin/exim -bt pbarnabe@ubuntu-it.org    for example
[04:53] <Ng> that will show you what exim reckons it will do with that address
[04:53] <mdke> Ng: oh, perfect. thanks.
[05:29] <TuxCrafter> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2040153#post2040153 like to now your opinions :-D 
[05:30] <Treenaks> python :)
[05:31] <TuxCrafter> for example if we start a new GNU GUI toolkit withs language should it be
[05:31] <Treenaks> TuxCrafter: you don't want a new GUI toolkit
[05:31] <Treenaks> really
[05:31] <TuxCrafter> bindings  I meant
[05:32] <TuxCrafter> new language bindings for gtk qt mfc .net 3.0 cocoa enz
[05:32] <Treenaks> there _are_ good gtk.net-bindings
[05:32] <Treenaks> and good python bindings
[05:32] <Treenaks> and good java-bindings
[05:33] <TuxCrafter> but you prefer python
[05:33] <TuxCrafter> have you lookt at D
[05:34] <Treenaks> is it a compiled language? then it sucks ;)
[05:34] <TuxCrafter> arguments
[05:34] <TuxCrafter> i really like compiled languages
[05:35] <Treenaks> TuxCrafter: faster to work with interpreted languages
[05:35] <TuxCrafter> Treenask: so you believe the GNU/Linux kernel should be interpreted like python?
[05:36] <Treenaks> TuxCrafter: no. there are places where compiled languages should be used
[05:36] <TuxCrafter> :-D
[05:36] <Treenaks> But coding in Perl/Python is _fast_ compared to C
[05:36] <Treenaks> no cruft..
[05:37] <TuxCrafter> the learning curve is sorter
[05:37] <TuxCrafter> but do you thing python is a good combination with hardware systems
[05:38] <Treenaks> TuxCrafter: only a bit :) 'I know Perl' vs 'I can write clean maintainable Perl'
[05:38] <Treenaks> but this isn't the channel for this discussion
[05:38] <TuxCrafter> :-D
[05:38] <TuxCrafter> just curios doesn't seem to be anyone else tho
[05:39] <Treenaks> it's weekend
[07:14] <humboldt> just one little question: why not using evms for raid and lvm setup in ubuntu?
[07:14] <humboldt> is it not ready for production systems yet?
[07:16] <Mithrandir> you're free to use it for raid and lvm if you want it.
[07:16] <Mithrandir> not everybody likes it
[07:17] <xpander25008> hello.
[07:18] <xpander25008> hello
[07:31] <Taku> hey all 
[07:32] <Taku> Hey tell me all, I've a funny bug ( or misconfiguration ) : I've just installed Herd2 and I can get connected to wifi, but I can't go on any website except google ( but I can ping any websites )
[07:33] <Taku> have you an idea ?
[08:51] <Treenaks> hm
[08:51] <Treenaks> feisty + mac mini != booting
[08:51] <Treenaks> (ppc mac mini)
[09:13] <bettsp> What's the best way to contact the Ubuntu maintainer for Gaim (seb128)?
[09:13] <bettsp> He looks busy, and I want to clarify some stuff wrt NetworkManager support in Gaim (I wrote the patch for it)
[09:14] <LaserJock> bettsp: is there a bug report?
[09:14] <LaserJock> bettsp: you could also email him
[09:15] <bettsp> LaserJock: I tried to create a bug in Launchpad but it told me to use the upstream bug reporting
[09:16] <LaserJock> bettsp: you need to file the bug against Ubuntu, not the upstream product
[09:16] <bettsp> Against Ubuntu Desktop?
[09:17] <LaserJock> Launchpad differentiates between distros and products
[09:18] <LaserJock> so you can file a bug against gaim in Ubuntu
[09:18] <LaserJock> or you could file a bug against gaim the product
[09:18] <LaserJock> but what it was telling you was that gaim the product doesn't use Launchpad for bug tracking
[09:18] <bettsp> LaserJock: I tried to do the latter and it failed, looks I want the former
[09:19] <LaserJock> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug should work
[09:21] <bettsp> LaserJock: I saw that, thanks for the help
[09:23] <bettsp> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gaim/+bug/80776
[09:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80776 in gaim "Gaim is not built with NetworkManager support" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[09:23] <bettsp> Is this adequate?
[09:26] <LaserJock> bettsp: looks like it, you said you had a patch?
[09:26] <bettsp> LaserJock: It's already in Gaim 2.0 Beta 4, but you have to set configure to use it
[09:27] <LaserJock> bettsp: if you have a patch you can attach it to the bug report
[09:27] <bettsp> But I think some distro packagers think you have to pull in all of NetworkManager to enable it which isn't true (because it's D-Bus)
[09:28] <bettsp> LaserJock: Do I just submit a patch against the files in the ./debian directory?
[09:29] <LaserJock> bettsp: that could work. whatever is appropriate. if you have added a changelog entry and everything use debdiff
[09:41] <okaratas> waw
[09:41] <okaratas> http://www.ubuntustudio.com/
[09:41] <okaratas> good enter..
[09:45] <_ion> How web 2.0