[12:19] <LaserJock> mhm
[12:24] <mdke> crimsun: NOT MAD! sound disappears after resuming from hibernate
[12:26] <LaserJock> mdke: ok, for me bzr co --lightweight = 10m and svn co = 3m
[12:26] <mdke> crimsun: probably, then when I reboot it is muted
[12:27] <LaserJock> mdke: bzr size = 38MB svn size = 88MB
[12:27] <mdke> hmm
[12:27] <LaserJock> well, here's one thing that I thought about
[12:28] <LaserJock> the biggest speed issue for bzr is the initial branching
[12:28] <LaserJock> but one of the advantages of bzr is that you don't have to have a special server
[12:28] <LaserJock> we could infact make weekly tarballs of the repo and put them on doc.ubuntu.com
[12:29] <crimsun> mdke: are you running the latest bios on your t43?
[12:29] <LaserJock> so if you want to get the repo you download the tarball and bzr pull to the latest revision
[12:29] <crimsun> mdke: because the "no sound after resuming from suspend-to-*" is a bios bug.
[12:29] <mdke> crimsun: no idea. I haven't ever updated it. But I've never noticed that bug before with previous releases
[12:30] <crimsun> if you have Windows still dual-booting, run the System Updater from within Windows
[12:30] <mdke> I haven't got it
[12:31] <mdke> crimsun: I suppose I could install it though
[12:31] <crimsun> thinkwiki may have pointers to a bios updater for executing in Linux [if one is publicly available] 
[12:31] <mdke> can I do it from cd/usb floppy?
[12:32] <crimsun> if there's a live CD of Windows, sure
[12:32] <crimsun> I honestly have no idea about that, though
[12:32] <mdke> never heard of a live cd
[12:32] <mdke> I was thinking that you could get a floppy which just updates the bios
[12:32] <crimsun> if one such tool exists, thinkwiki.org would have a pointer to it
[12:33] <mdke> as, usb floppies don't work
[12:33] <mdke> s/as/ah
[12:39] <popey> evening all
[12:40] <mdke> hiya popey
[12:51] <mdke> crimsun: ok, I have a boot cd, here goes
[12:58] <LaserJock> yeah? I was reading a pretty hot thread about that on the forums today
[12:58] <LaserJock> people can get so bent out of shape over things like that
[12:58] <popey> http://gallery.popey.com/gallery/screenshots/Screenshot_Control_Center looks nice
[12:58] <popey> well yeah, i did kinda thing "holy crap, where has the administration menu gone!"
[12:59] <popey> then i saw that and calmed down a bit
[01:00] <mdke> popey: it rocks
[01:00] <popey> yeah, quite sweet
[01:00] <popey> that'll get its own screencast, oh yes, mark my words
[01:01] <LaserJock> most of the complaints I saw fell into 2 camps. 1 ) "OMG, it's WINDOWS!" and 2) "But now it takes 3 clicks to get where I want, unacceptable"
[01:01] <popey> heh
[01:01] <mdke> I think that's the biggest improvement GNOME has made for a while
[01:01] <mdke> those menus were holding it back
[01:01] <popey> they could add an icon to their panel for it, that would remove one click :)
[01:01] <nixternal> jeesh, could that control panel have anymore in it?
[01:02] <popey> i have a few extras that basic install wont have nx
[01:02] <popey> like beryl and hubackup
[01:02] <nixternal> ahh
[01:04] <nixternal> KDE System Settings is similar, just more compact, combining like causes
[01:04] <nixternal> i.e, Look and Feel would all be on one panel with gui buttons or tabs
[01:04] <popey> the names on the left highligt sections on the right
[01:05] <nixternal> i do believe they are going to compact that even more as well, but they are definitely on the right track
[01:06] <popey> i think the support system should ask people what version of ubuntu they are using when they submit tickets
[01:06] <popey> otherwise the first question will always be "what version? "
[01:06] <mdke> or it should know already
[01:06] <mdke> just file a bug
[01:07] <popey> people will be giving duff menu paths not realising that dapper != feisty in the menu department
[01:07] <popey> holy hell, 25 people in the screencast team
[01:07] <popey> go us!
[01:08] <mdke> :)
[01:09] <popey> had a personal email today asking if we could make the videos available on itunes as a podcast by exposing the rss feeds :)
[01:09] <popey> "funny you should say that" :)
[01:09] <mdke> I chased the domain today, no response yet
[01:11] <popey> is it a canonical decision?
[01:11] <popey> i would be interested to know how much traffic we have generated since we moved to doc.u.c
[01:11] <mdke> popey: it's not really a decision at all, it's an admin request
[01:11] <popey> do you use webalizer or anything on that box?
[01:12] <mdke> but I guess realistically it does involve a decision from elmo
[01:12] <mdke> no, shall we install something?
[01:12] <popey> i wouldn't mind having webalizer generate stats for /screencasts and put them somewhere
[01:12] <popey> yes, please
[01:12] <mdke> is it easy to setup?
[01:12] <popey> if you install webalizer, I can create the config file
[01:12] <popey> yes
[01:12] <popey> i run it on all my webhosts
[01:13] <popey> there are other alternatives like analog, but webalizer is IMO better
[01:13] <popey> http://sapstuff.com/usage/ an example of what you get
[01:13] <mdke> ah, easy then. Ok it's installed
[01:13] <popey> cool
[01:13] <popey> will create config file which you will need to drop in /etc and then maintain the crontab to make it run periodically
[01:13] <popey> daily should be sufficient
[01:13] <popey> thanks
[01:21] <LaserJock> mdke: well, I just had a decent chat with #bzr
[01:22] <mdke> I've been having one with kiko
[01:22] <LaserJock> seems a currently worked on "smart server" feature is what we are looking for
[01:22] <LaserJock> to make bzr initial checkout all speedy
[01:23] <LaserJock> but they did encourage me to sort of set the initial checkout aside and have people test it out
[01:37] <popey> is there any plan to make an ubuntu server product like the windows home server?
[01:37] <popey> I know there is a rough spec for a business server on launchpad/wiki
[01:41] <mdke> dunno what that one is
[01:43] <popey> which?
[01:43] <mdke> windows home server
[01:43] <popey> windows home server was announced at CES, it's based on win2k3
[01:43] <popey> it does your usual home serving tasks but has a few nice features
[01:44] <popey> single instance backup - so if you backup all your PCs and they all have foo.dll with the same size/date/time the server stores one copy
[01:44] <popey> remote access - you get a dynamic dns hostname from microsoft and can access any machine inside your lan through the server
[01:44] <mdke> doesn't XP do the backup thing
[01:44] <popey> or remote machines?
[01:45] <popey> this backs up all your home pcs to a central server
[01:45] <mdke> no, I mean the system restore thing
[01:45] <mdke> oh
[01:45] <popey> yes, this is an extension of that to cover more than one home pc
[05:08] <wongy> How's the WikiWeekend going?
[05:09] <wongy> We are having a small gathering in Brisbane, Australia Sunday afternoon so we'll try and tidy a few things during that to do our bit :-)
[09:16] <popey> mdke: like the new title page
[11:57] <mdke> crimsun: bios update hasn't helped, sound still broken after hibernate
[11:57] <mdke> popey: nod
[11:59] <popey> i like the simplicity of them
[11:59] <popey> and nice strapline on the second page
[12:08] <mpt> popey, what title page are you referring to?
[01:09] <popey> the two that michael most recently posted
[01:36] <mpt> Nothing from any Michael in my Inbox
[01:44] <mpt> ... However, that might be because I've overfilled my mail quota :-(
[01:56] <mpt> popey, do you have the URLs handy? :-)
[02:41] <popey> mpt: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2007-January/007986.html
[02:41] <popey> sorry for delay, took daughter to ballet
[04:57] <crimsun> mdke: "broken" being...?
[04:58] <mdke> crimsun: well, no sound
[04:59] <crimsun> mdke: right, but do you mean "inaudible sound despite mixer settings being unmuted" or do you mean "mixer settings being muted by default upon resuming from suspend-to-*"?
[05:00] <crimsun> mdke: and is this under 5.10, 6.06, 6.10, or 7.04?
[05:00] <mdke> crimsun: inaudible sound despite mixer settings being unmuted upon resuming from suspend to disk, under 7.04
[05:02] <crimsun> mdke: updated ``amixer'' -> pastebin, please?
[05:02] <mdke> crimsun: I need to suspend to reproduce it, gimme a few
[05:02] <crimsun> mdke: did it work properly in 6.06 and/or 6.10?
[05:03] <mdke> crimsun: I don't know I'm afraid. I haven't really used hibernate enough to notice it before
[05:11] <crimsun> I'm in another meeting atm, Cory, so I'll join as soon as I can
[05:12] <crimsun> Cody
[05:12] <crimsun> bad case of bad coffee or something
[05:14] <mdke> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2296/
[05:37] <crimsun> mdke: ok, more info needed: from a fresh (cold, power down and back up) boot, ``cat /proc/asound/card0/codec97#0/*'', then suspend-to-* and resume, then grab that same output
[05:37] <mdke> crimsun: will do.
[06:54] <fijam> hello
[06:56] <fijam> I am volunteering to help with xubuntu documentation, I have already downloaded svn trunk, docbook, read the docbook and patch specifications and skimmed through documentation style guide
[06:57] <mdke> ooh, cool.
[06:57] <fijam> Expect some questions from me soon :)
[06:57] <mdke> fijam: somerville32 is the person to talk to about xubuntu stuff, glad to hear you're interested. Feel free to ask any of us general questions of course
[06:57] <somerville32> :)
[06:58] <fijam> We've already met :)
[07:06] <mdke> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2308/ is before and http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2309/ is after
[07:46] <K_Mandla> Greetings!
[07:50] <LaserJock> hi!
[07:50] <LaserJock> the guy that started the WikiWeekend I presume
[07:51] <mdke> hi K_Mandla
[07:52] <crimsun> mdke: could you attach to a bug report, please?
[07:53] <mdke> crimsun: sure, what package?
[07:53] <crimsun> against linux-source-2.6.20
[07:53] <mdke> crimsun: just those outputs?
[07:53] <crimsun> and the info included before
[07:53] <mdke> crimsun: ok!
[07:54] <crimsun> thanks. Sorry to push it off into a bug report, but I'm swamped atm.
[07:54] <mdke> crimsun: of course, np
[07:56] <somerville32> Ok
[07:56] <somerville32> Lets wiki! :)
[07:59] <K_Mandla> LaserJock Yep, that's me
[08:03] <K_Mandla> Did anyone happen to see the question on the forums about adding a resource to support/local for Polish users?
[08:04] <K_Mandla> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2040425&postcount=10
[08:05] <mdke> no, didn't see that
[08:05] <mdke> will reply now
[08:05] <K_Mandla> I didn't have an answer for Azrael, other than to message mattheweast
[08:05] <K_Mandla> Thanks
[08:58] <brussel_> Does this forum answer questions on how to do proper documentation on https://help.ubuntu.com/community ?
[08:58] <brussel_> :s/forum/channel/
[08:59] <LaserJock> well, there is a wiki guide
[08:59] <LaserJock> that does help, but yeah, you can ask here
[09:00] <brussel_> I've tried to find various documentation but there seems to be a few versions of wiki. Maybe you can point me to the right one so I don't ask really really stupid questions.
[09:00] <brussel_> Right now I'm having troubles just linking from one portion of a document to another....
[09:01] <LaserJock> on the same page?
[09:01] <brussel_> yes
[09:01] <brussel_> I see the section is in the table of contents so it must have an anchor but i don't see it...
[09:03] <LaserJock> brussel_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HelpOnLinking has some info
[09:03] <brussel_> thanks
[09:03] <LaserJock> specifically [[Anchor(anchorname)] ]  to set and anchor and [#anchorname label text]  to link to it
[09:08] <K_Mandla> Is there a thumbnailing option for the attachment:___.png tag? like Mediawiki uses? I can't find it anywhere.
[09:10] <mdke> not sure, check HelpOnActions/AttachFile, the inline thing might do it. but I don't think there is a thumbnail option
[09:11] <K_Mandla> thanks
[09:13] <brussel_> I'm guessing [[BR] ] [[TableOfContents] ] || automatically links to headers even though the headers have no anchors. Is there a special syntax to link to headers I can use within the document to keep in simple?
[09:14] <LaserJock> brussel_: well, if you know the anchor that the TableOfContents links to I bet you can use that
[09:17] <brussel_> That's the problem, there is no apparent anchor other than the == sub-title == and [09:18] <brussel_> you can see what i'm talking about here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WordPress
[09:18] <mdke> you'll need to make anchors yourself if you want to link to them other than from the table of contents
[09:19] <mdke> LaserJock: you can't use those because they can change, I believe
[09:19] <brussel_> Darn, that's not as elegant as just linking directly to the already predefined header like the TOC does
[09:19] <LaserJock> mdke: ah, I wondered about that
[09:19] <mdke> brussel_: but the predefined header is UGLY!!
[09:20] <brussel_> That may be but i don't want to clutter the document with anchors and such making it so busy it's hard to read.
[09:20] <brussel_> s/read/code/
[09:21] <mdke> brussel_: don't worry about it. The anchors don't appear to readers, so it's not a big issue. Just keep them on separate lines and it will be readable
[09:21] <brussel_> ok, if that's the proper way to do it.
[09:21] <mdke> it's the only way :)
[09:22] <brussel_> Then it's the proper way! lol
[09:23] <mdke> that wordpress page is nice, but don't we have a separate page for a LAMP installation?
[09:23] <brussel_> Now I have another question, on page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HelpOnLinking they have a references with a "1" linking to a footnote. How did they get that 1 raised like that?
[09:23] <brussel_> mdke, separate page for a LAMP installation, I don't follow why that's relevant
[09:24] <mdke> brussel_: I mean, if we have a page which already deals comprehensively with doing a LAMP installation, there is no need to repeat a section on the Wordpress page about it, the user can simply be referred to the existing page
[09:25] <mdke> that way there is no problem with the duplicates material getting out of date and updating both
[09:25] <mdke> about your question, footnotes are done with [[FootNote(text of footnote)] ] 
[09:26] <mdke> (see HelpOnMacros)
[09:26] <brussel_> mdke, That's interesting about having a LAMP and wordpress section. No wonder people find ubuntu documentation hard to find. Here's why
[09:26] <brussel_> the LAMP installation in my mind and probably many others means booting the lamp configuration off the DVD.
[09:27] <brussel_> those of us who aren't using that lamp setup would never think of looking for wordpress instructions there.
[09:27] <mdke> ??
[09:27] <brussel_> the proper way in my mind would be to have a link from the lamp documentation to the wordpress documentation
[09:28] <mdke> no, it's the other way round. You need a lamp installation to install wordpress
[09:28] <mdke> you don't need wordpress to run a lamp installation
[09:28] <mdke> I don't understand what you are getting at
[09:28] <brussel_> i didn't choose the lamp installation though
[09:29] <brussel_> i chose ubuntu-desktop
[09:29] <mdke> right, so if you want to install wordpress, you go and find a wordpress page
[09:29] <brussel_> so i'm having to go back and install things like wordpress and mysql which may have been preinstalled with the lamp
[09:29] <mdke> that tells you to install LAMP, because wordpress needs it
[09:30] <mdke> all I was saying is that given that we have instructions to do both, the latter should include a link to the former rather than reproducing the same material twice
[09:30] <nixternal> sudo apt-get install wordpress
[09:30] <nixternal> do that from a vanilla system and it will all get installed at once :)
[09:30] <mdke> nixternal: but you need to configure the LAMP components
[09:30] <brussel_> nixternal, i may have done just that
[09:31] <brussel_> mdke, i think i understand what you are saying but let me rephrase it to be sure
[09:31] <nixternal> Apache will need very little configuration, but MySQL will need the account creation and a couple of other changes to get it to listen on * all ports
[09:31] <mdke> brussel_: are you using the WordPress page? your lock has expired, can I edit it?
[09:31] <brussel_> the wordpress page should say something like.... yes, you can modify it
[09:31] <mdke> thanks
[09:32] <nixternal> if you have a wordpress page, say you need to install and setup LAMP, link to the wiki page, and then start off setting up wordpress after the person has gone back and read the LAMP page?
[09:32] <brussel_> nixternal, yes, i think that's what mdke is saying
[09:32] <brussel_> and i agree with that
[09:32] <mdke> yes
[09:32] <mdke> I've made the change now
[09:33] <nixternal> edgy repos have 2.0.4 still for wordpress, i think there have been a couple of security releases since 2.0.4
[09:34] <brussel_> mdke, nice, looks good, i wish i were so quick.
[09:35] <mdke> well, the page was already good :)
[09:35] <brussel_> it's pretty good though there are a few mistakes on it that i encountered this morning when i tried to set it up
[09:36] <mdke> it needs something on upgrading too, I guess
[09:38] <brussel_> darn, just read up on the footnote. wasn't quite what i hoped for.
[09:38] <brussel_> guess i'll fold clothe for a few
[09:43] <LaserJock> what about a having a page that has all these types of apps?
[09:44] <mdke> cut that ?action nonsense
[09:45] <LaserJock> yeah, that's it, although I was thinking less techie, but yeah
[09:49] <popey> evening all
[09:49] <mdke> LaserJock: I guess it would be possible to improve that
[09:51] <LaserJock> well, it looks pretty comprehensive, I just wonder if people find it easily
[09:51] <LaserJock> I'm really bad about looking for docs too
[09:52] <LaserJock> but I was just trying to set up some server stuff on my home machine and was having an aweful time finding stuff
[09:55] <mdke> it should be linked on the front page, I hope
[09:55] <mdke> I dunno what more we can do, tbh
[09:56] <mdke> but when that happens to you, you should remember where you had issues so we can improve it
[10:00] <LaserJock> well, you know what would help
[10:01] <LaserJock> is for these kinds of pages, the front page, server page, is if there was a link to them from the pages they link to
[10:02] <mdke> all the pages they link to should appear on the page?
[10:02] <mdke> I don't get it
[10:03] <LaserJock> what I mean is, I basically never go to the main pages
[10:03] <LaserJock> so I end up hopping on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[10:04] <mdke> so that should have a link to Server on it?
[10:04] <LaserJock> not knowing that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Servers even exists
[10:04] <mdke> ok, I get it. Similar to the link on the top of the Server page itself?
[10:04] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:04] <mdke> good idea
[10:04] <mdke> that could be automated using the category system maybe
[10:04] <LaserJock> I mean right not the assumption is that the first place you land is UserDocumentation or Servers
[10:05] <LaserJock> which would be the case if you aren't relying on searches
[10:05] <mdke> it's definitely a good idea
[10:11] <LaserJock> the Moin pages on Servers seems to be just the Moin internal documentation
[10:20] <mdke> LaserJock: yes.
[10:20] <mdke> that's probably fair enough
[10:20] <mdke> MoinMoin is absolutely horrible to install
[10:31] <LaserJock> mdke: really? the moin package in the repos is no good?
[10:33] <mdke> LaserJock: it's fine, it provides the program, but you have to set up a wiki instance and the various methods of setting up apache are horrible
[10:37] <LaserJock> ah
[10:37] <LaserJock> I've only done it via the desktop moin
[10:37] <LaserJock> which is very easy
[10:37] <mdke> yeah
[10:38] <K_Mandla> is there a way to delete attachments, or is that an admin-only thing (which i suppose to be the case)
[10:39] <mdke> hmm
[10:39] <mdke> K_Mandla: did you try the page which lists the attachments? (which specifically are you talking about?)
[10:39] <K_Mandla> i added two screenshots to the TransparentTerminals page, but there's no way to thumbnail them, so they're of no use
[10:40] <K_Mandla> i just figured it would be easier on the database to dump them, since they're 500K each
[10:40] <K_Mandla> (embarrassed)
[10:41] <jenda> mdke: ping
[10:41] <mdke> jenda: (In case I'm not around at the moment, please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I get back)
[10:41] <jenda> I need your help :(
[10:41] <jenda> mdke: the bzr on doc.ubuntu.com is an outdated version
[10:41] <jenda> and i can't build the branch there.
[10:41] <mdke> K_Mandla: you can't delete them from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TransparentTerminals?action=AttachFile ?
[10:41] <jenda> (because of a long-fixed bug)
[10:42] <mdke> jenda: ah
[10:42] <jenda> mdke: is it dapper or edgy on there?
[10:42] <LaserJock> mdke: I did a full branch of the bzr repo in 53min
[10:42] <mdke> jenda: neither, it's 5.10
[10:42] <jenda> o.O
[10:42] <mdke> LaserJock: w00t!
[10:42] <mdke> LaserJock: is that including all repos, or just trunk?
[10:42] <LaserJock> trunk
[10:42] <mdke> omg
[10:42] <LaserJock> yep
[10:43] <LaserJock> but that's a full branch
[10:43] <mdke> jenda: we can try and update it, depending on dependencies, as it were
[10:43] <K_Mandla> mkde nope, i have options for get and view, but nothing that resembles delete ...
[10:43] <mdke> K_Mandla: ok, I guess it's restricted then
[10:44] <K_Mandla> no problem.
[10:44] <mdke> deleted
[10:44] <K_Mandla> thanks :)
[10:44] <mdke> if you wanna become a wiki editor, you can though
[10:44] <jenda> mdke: that would be great.
[10:44] <jenda> I'm totally lost without that :/
[10:44] <mdke> jenda: have you got some debs for me?
[10:44] <jenda> I could manually copy, of course.
[10:44] <jenda> mdke: just a sec.
[10:44] <LaserJock> mdke: I was thinking the best way to go is to make a tarball that people can download and then bzr pull to the latest revision
[10:45] <LaserJock> we need to get people over the initial "OMG, this takes forever"
[10:45] <mdke> LaserJock: you need to get me over that too :)
[10:45] <mdke> LaserJock: is there any reason not to use --lightweight?
[10:46] <LaserJock> mdke: well, for me it kind of detracts from some of the cool features of bzr
[10:46] <LaserJock> but we can do it either way
[10:46] <mdke> hmm.
[10:46] <mdke> well, if you want the cool features, it's obviously reasonable to download all that stuff
[10:47] <mdke> it would help if bzr gave better progress bars, maybe tell me file by file how it is going
[10:47] <LaserJock> well, I don't think it's quite that easy
[10:48] <LaserJock> I could ask though
[10:48] <LaserJock> I don't think it downloads file by file
[10:48] <LaserJock> I think it gets the meta data then creates the files
[10:50] <LaserJock> mdke: there's also a GUI for bzr
[10:50] <LaserJock> maybe that would help
[10:51] <mdke> could be
[10:51] <mdke> is the progress bar better?
[10:52] <LaserJock> dont' know, I haven't tried it yet
[10:54] <mpt> haha
[10:55] <mpt> mdke, I've reported some bugs on bzr's progress bars, and gave "better progress feedback" as my #1 wish in a wishlist session about Bazaar in November
[10:56] <mdke> mpt: did it get anywhere?
[10:56] <mpt> thanks popey
[10:56] <popey> np
[10:58] <mpt> bug 34864, bug 41832, and bug 60171 particularly.
[10:58] <mpt> Where's Ubugtu when you need her
[10:58] <popey> i think she was bouncy so someone kickbanned it/him/her
[11:20] <popey> welcome back
[11:20] <mdke> harsh
[11:21] <somerville32> Yucky
[11:23] <LaserJock> ewwwww
[11:23] <LaserJock> I hope you don't make a screencast of that
[11:57] <jenda> mdke: on another note, where has ML-forum bridge gone?
[11:59] <mdke> hmm?
[12:03] <LaserJock> mdke: are we getting rid of doc.u.c altogether then?
[12:03] <mdke> LaserJock: no, just moving, eventually.
[12:03] <LaserJock> are docteam. and doc. the same machine?
[12:04] <mdke> no, that's the problem
[12:04] <mdke> for now we've redirected http://docteam.ubuntu.com to http://doc.ubuntu.com, we can't do any better until they are on the same machine
[12:05] <LaserJock> so do we going to keep the docteam.u.c machine?
[12:05] <LaserJock> are they at the same location?
[12:05] <mdke> LaserJock: no, the httpS://docteam machine (with the svn server) is a Canonical server
[12:05] <LaserJock> ahh
[12:05] <mdke> the http://doc machine is a rented server
[12:06] <LaserJock> so you want to stop using the rented one
[12:08] <mdke> LaserJock: Canonical wants to stop paying for it, I think
[12:08] <mdke> it's pretty shit, tbh
[12:09] <LaserJock> I'd assume that would mean our ssh access would leave
[12:10] <mdke> LaserJock: do you use it?
[12:11] <LaserJock> to doc.u.c? only rarely
[12:11] <LaserJock> we were hosting a few files on there for the packaging guide
[12:11] <LaserJock> and I did some bzr stuff on there
[12:15] <LaserJock> I just know that Canonical is very protective of Canonical machines (reasonably so)
[12:15] <LaserJock> that's why MOTU can't have it's own archive admins, etc.
[12:15] <mdke> there are degrees of machines
[12:16] <mdke> there are some which are super private and only for employees and such.
[12:16] <mdke> and others which are "for the crack"