[12:15] <newlinuxguy> but my tone isn't complaining
[12:15] <ns_> newlinuxguy: sounds like the problems I had with my olde cdr drive .... replacing it helped a lot
[12:15] <newlinuxguy> but in the mean time
[12:15] <newlinuxguy> is there a way I can get kubuntu installed over a network or something?
[12:16] <newlinuxguy> I'm burning the cd's from a brand new burner
[12:16] <newlinuxguy> and I went with the minimal cd
[12:16] <newlinuxguy> install
[12:16] <newlinuxguy> so I'd download the packages as I needed them
[12:16] <TheGateKeeper> newlinuxguy, use the alternative CD
[12:16] <TheGateKeeper> newlinuxguy, what is your hardware?
[12:17] <surgy> i need a peice of software to convert an iso to a bin any suggestions?
[12:17] <newlinuxguy> 1 ghz i386, 512 megs of ram, 80 gig part'd 12 root, 2 gig swap, rest /home
[12:17] <newlinuxguy> ati radeon vid card
[12:17] <newlinuxguy> with dual monitors
[12:18] <newlinuxguy> integrated sound
[12:18] <newlinuxguy> 1 dvd player
[12:18] <newlinuxguy> 1 cd burner
[12:18] <newlinuxguy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[12:18] <bobleny> Hey, is there a program on linux that can simulate electrical circuits?
[12:18] <newlinuxguy> this works great for the "core" install
[12:18] <newlinuxguy> but I'm hanging when I install KDE/Lamp
[12:19] <newlinuxguy> sigh
[12:19] <TheGateKeeper> newlinuxguy, try the alternative CD, it uses a text installer
[12:19] <newlinuxguy> I'm not giving up
[12:19] <newlinuxguy> okie doke
[12:19] <newlinuxguy> that's 7 cds now
[12:19] <newlinuxguy> lol!
[12:19] <newlinuxguy> good things come to those who wait!
[12:19] <TheGateKeeper> newlinuxguy, 7 cd's ?
[12:19] <fdoving> bobleny: klogic, ksimus, ktechlab
[12:19] <bobleny> If they don't die waiting
[12:19] <blindside> lol
[12:20] <newlinuxguy> yeah, 7 cds
[12:20] <newlinuxguy> wait
[12:20] <newlinuxguy> sorry
[12:20] <newlinuxguy> 3 with the 700 meg iso
[12:20] <newlinuxguy> and 2 with this minimal
[12:20] <newlinuxguy> I have a ton
[12:20] <newlinuxguy> so I can be wasteful
[12:20] <newlinuxguy> now I'm about to burn another making 6
[12:20] <newlinuxguy> that's what I was saying
[12:21] <TheGateKeeper> newlinuxguy, ok burn the alternative, check that md5sum is correct, I think it also has a self test, make sure that the CD is good before you try to install
[12:22] <newlinuxguy> k gatekeeper
[12:22] <TheGateKeeper> newlinuxguy, this hdd got windows on it?
[12:23] <bobleny> fdoving, where did you find those?
[12:24] <fdoving> bobleny: http://packages.ubuntu.com
[12:24] <larson9999> sometimes even if the cds are good, they won't boot on certain machines.
[12:24] <TheGateKeeper> newlinuxguy, ignore last question
[12:25] <kgx> does anyone know if there is a setting in cdr mysql that allows me to write database entries quicker?
[12:26] <bobleny> oh....
[12:27] <bobbyshafter> hey have a problem on my wife pc .I am running daper she edgy. We both have 2 cdroms,when i insert a audio cd in any of my drives i am able to see the content on the disc.my wife pc show the cd is a audio but i cant see the content in konqueror.I then look at the properties for the cdrom,under permissions nothing is selected how can i change this
[12:35] <andreasw> so silent ;)
[12:36] <Octarion> Hi!
[12:36] <Octarion> I have a question: How can I configure vga=0x317 in Grub ?? :S
[12:37] <BluesKaj> are tgz similar to tar.gz ?
[12:38] <Octarion> BluesKaj: yes
[12:38] <BluesKaj> i can use the tar -xvjf cmnd  ?
[12:38] <newlinuxguy> is the gatekeeper here?
[12:38] <Dr_willis> tgz = tar.gz
[12:38] <Dr_willis> !info unp
[12:38] <ubotu> unp: unpack (almost) everything with one command. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.10 (edgy), package size 9 kB, installed size 72 kB
[12:39] <BluesKaj> ok , thx
[12:39] <Octarion> BluesKaj: to make a tgz use tar -xvzf output_file_name
[12:39] <Octarion> BluesKaj: sorry!!!!
[12:40] <Octarion> BluesKaj: tar -cvzf output_file
[12:40] <Octarion> BluesKaj: uncompress = tar -xvzf compressed_file
[12:40] <Octarion> :)
[12:40] <Octarion> BluesKaj: and don't forget the .tgz extension ;)
[12:40] <BluesKaj> ok Octarion
[12:40] <BluesKaj> thx'
[12:41] <newlinuxguy> I did the minimal cd install this time around without selecting Kubutu or Ubuntu desktop so it says that I just have the "basic" system installed
[12:41] <Octarion> BluesKaj: Pleased
[12:41] <newlinuxguy> hopefully it doesn't hang at 90%
[12:41] <newlinuxguy> this is as far as I've been
[12:41] <newlinuxguy> sigh
[12:42] <newlinuxguy> I think it defaulted to ubuntu/Gnome when I didn't select Kubuntu
[12:43] <newlinuxguy> I hear Kubuntu is noob friendly so hopefully I'll be able to uninstall gnome/ubuntu and install kubuntu
[12:44] <Dr_willis> theres no point in Uninstalling Gnome/Ubuntu
[12:44] <Octarion> newlinuxguy: I prefer KDE to GNOME... it's just a preference ;) but I think KDE has easiest utilities than GNOME, but I dont like GNOME too... ;)
[12:44] <Dr_willis> just install 'kubuntu-desktop'  inless you are Really tight on space.
[12:44] <newlinuxguy> I'm not
[12:44] <newlinuxguy> actually it looks like I didnt install gnome
[12:44] <Dr_willis> You may want to try the 'alternative' intall cd's if the live cds are giving you problems.
[12:45] <newlinuxguy> because I've got a console login
[12:45] <newlinuxguy> hehe
[12:45] <Dr_willis> if you did a true minimal/server type install - then you may not even have X.
[12:45] <newlinuxguy> i dont
[12:45] <Dr_willis> You may want to redo the install. :)
[12:45] <newlinuxguy> I'll have to probably ftp to us.XXxxxx and get it
[12:45] <Dr_willis> you can use apt-get to install the other stuff.. but that may be a bit of a hassle.
[12:46] <newlinuxguy> yeah
[12:46] <newlinuxguy> they don't script and bundle everything for a noob in console, WHY NOT
[12:46] <newlinuxguy> lol
[12:46] <newlinuxguy> I'm not totally out of my element in console
[12:46] <newlinuxguy> dos is where I got my beginnings
[12:46] <Octarion> newlinuxguy: Maybe it will install kdm when you install KDE...
[12:46] <Dr_willis> either learn... or reboot and redo the isntall.
[12:47] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:47] <Octarion> newlinuxguy: the K Desktop Manager, isn't it?...
[12:47] <Dr_willis> 'should' install of kubuntu desktop packages.
[12:47] <newlinuxguy> might as well try
[12:47] <newlinuxguy> I have the alternate downloading
[12:47] <newlinuxguy> I sure appreciate all the help
[12:48] <newlinuxguy> I need to check to see if there is a local lug
[12:48] <BluesKaj> hmm, confused now ..pkg din't unpack
[12:48] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  and what were you doing?
[12:49] <BluesKaj> trying to extract a .tgz file using the CLI
[12:49] <Dr_willis> install unp :)
[12:49] <Dr_willis> unp whatever.tgz
[12:50] <Dr_willis> im lazy.. i admit it..
[12:50] <newlinuxguy> this is probably the longest way to tdo this
[12:50] <newlinuxguy> but if it works before I even rx the alternate txt iso
[12:50] <newlinuxguy> I'll be happy
[12:50] <Octarion> newlinuxguy: Don't you have 'tar' installed?
[12:50] <newlinuxguy> oct
[12:50] <Dr_willis> newlinuxguy,  perhaps.. a new system - may have a lot of updates that will get downloaded as well.. so it could be faster to do it that way.. but id advise installing the stuff from the cd to begin with
[12:51] <newlinuxguy> i'd assume that's part of the "base system"
[12:51] <Octarion> newlinuxguy: then, use tar -xvzf
[12:51] <Dr_willis> actually the - isent needed any more is it.
[12:51] <newlinuxguy> i have already done a sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:52] <newlinuxguy> so Im a bit unfamiliar where I'd input that tar command (which is the equivalent of pkunzip for dos, right?)
[12:52] <HymnToLife> newlinuxguy, in the dir where your archive is
[12:53] <Dr_willis> tar is one of many archiver tools.
[12:53] <HymnToLife> or in any other, if you supply the full path to the archive
[12:53] <newlinuxguy> okay, I presume you are saying enter that command once apt-get is done
[12:54] <Octarion> newlinuxguy: But apt-get install download, unpack, installs and configure. Isn't it?
[12:54] <miguel> hay algun canal en espaol?
[12:54] <Octarion> miguel, pues ni idea :P
[12:55] <HymnToLife> !es
[12:55] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[12:55] <newlinuxguy> octarion, I'm just following your lead, you asked me to input tar -xvzf and I said I couldnt cuz I'm doing apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:56] <newlinuxguy> I didn't quite connect why I need to tar -xvzf
[12:56] <newlinuxguy> <---- my name :)
[12:56] <Dr_willis> newlinuxguy,  im thinking you saw what we told the OTHER guy to do.
[12:56] <Octarion> newlinuxguy: I think I'm miss
[12:56] <newlinuxguy> lol
[12:56] <newlinuxguy> okay
[12:57] <Dr_willis> This is when it pays to learn the fundamentals. :)
[12:57] <newlinuxguy> hehe
[12:57] <newlinuxguy> yes
[12:57] <sleepy745> what does the syntax ~/.file mean?
[12:57] <Dr_willis> home dir. = ~
[12:57] <newlinuxguy> I think I'm going to do some googling to learn these fundamentals
[12:57] <Dr_willis> the .file would be the file name
[12:57] <newlinuxguy> so I'm not such a nuisance
[12:57] <newlinuxguy> I appreciate the help though
[12:57] <Dr_willis> tldp.org - good place to start
[12:57] <Octarion> bye!
[12:57] <HymnToLife> newlinuxguy, tar is the program you use, the x switch means you want to extract the archive, z means its gzipped, v means verbose and f means it's a file (as opposed to a tape)
[12:58] <Dr_willis> cat ~/.file would  =   cat /home/willis/.file   (in my case)
[12:58] <newlinuxguy> thanks hymn
[12:58] <newlinuxguy> one thing I have to say time and again
[12:58] <HymnToLife> man tar could have told you that too :)
[12:58] <newlinuxguy> I've not run across anyone in the community yelling at me for being noob
[12:59] <newlinuxguy> does the man command still apply in console or have they changed that
[12:59] <Dr_willis> newlinuxguy,  we can if you want us to...
[12:59] <newlinuxguy> lol
[12:59] <Dr_willis> try 'man man'
[12:59] <Dr_willis> and see.
[12:59] <newlinuxguy> it'd be okay
[12:59] <newlinuxguy> I'm being lazy by exploiting your benevolence vs. doing my own research
[12:59] <adaptr> you're afriggin n00b for even suggesting that ! :)
[12:59] <newlinuxguy> hehehe
[01:00] <newlinuxguy> yayyy, blank screen and heavy i/o
[01:00] <newlinuxguy> this is further than my comptuer has ever been
[01:00] <newlinuxguy> it's one step closer to security, one giant step away from M$
[01:00] <newlinuxguy> woo hoo
[01:01] <HymnToLife> damn, building KDE sure takes time...
[01:01] <newlinuxguy> oh
[01:01] <newlinuxguy> hehe
[01:01] <newlinuxguy> it's actually compiling it
[01:02] <newlinuxguy> I remember how long that took
[01:02] <adaptr> HymnToLife: *builking* KDE ? used to take around 10 hours on my old Gentoo box, so yeah...
[01:02] <HymnToLife> adaptr, 4 hours counting here
[01:02] <adaptr> HymnToLife: hardware ?
[01:02] <newlinuxguy> why are you building it hymn?
[01:03] <newlinuxguy> ahh
[01:03] <newlinuxguy> hopefully I dont have to recompile when I use apt-get
[01:03] <HymnToLife> adaptr, Centrino 1,8 dual core lappy
[01:03] <HymnToLife> in FBSD
[01:03] <adaptr> newlinuxguy: you won't be compiling....
[01:03] <adaptr> HymnToLife: ah, that should beat my old amd XP 1700+
[01:03] <Rob-West> what r some other good linux distros
[01:04] <Dr_willis> They are all good. :)
[01:04] <HymnToLife> Rob-West, Debian, Gentoo, Slackware
[01:04] <adaptr> HymnToLife: a Dual core *centrino* ? ITYM Core Duo....
[01:04] <Dr_willis> some are gooder at some tasks then others.
[01:04] <HymnToLife> can't think of any other, I haven't tried them all though
[01:04] <Rob-West> is slackware like debian
[01:04] <adaptr> HymnToLife: strictly speaking "centrino" is not even a processor
[01:04] <Dr_willis> slackware is nothing like debian. :) well its very different
[01:04] <adaptr> Rob-West: slackware is *nothing* like Debian
[01:04] <HymnToLife> adaptr, I know, Pentium M if you prefer
[01:04] <Rob-West> i want something Debian based
[01:05] <Dr_willis> thats kubuntu/ubuntu then. :)
[01:05] <Rob-West> or atleast apt-get
[01:05] <adaptr> HymnToLife: okay, and you have a dual-core pentium M ? that would be a Mobile Pentium D , I rather think
[01:06] <Rob-West> can i use a mediacenter linux for a desktop
[01:06] <Rob-West> well a Home Entertainment
[01:06] <Dr_willis> mediacenter linux? huh.. what one you refering to?
[01:06] <HymnToLife> wtf is a "mediacenter linux" ?
[01:06] <Dr_willis> HymnToLife,  :)
[01:06] <Dr_willis> MythTV/KnoppMyth ?
[01:07] <Rob-West> yea
[01:07] <Prisoner_> hello again
[01:07] <Dr_willis> You could.. but then you hafe to learn how to get around the systems automated features
[01:07] <Dr_willis> got MythTV on my 2nd machine.
[01:08] <Rob-West> i dont have a second PC
[01:08] <Prisoner_> I have 4 PCs
[01:08] <HymnToLife> I have 5, pwn3d :)
[01:08] <newlinuxguy> bah
[01:08] <Prisoner_> a 1.5ghz, a 400mhz, a 200mhz, and a 486/66
[01:09] <Dr_willis> doorstops dont count
[01:09] <newlinuxguy> lol
[01:09] <newlinuxguy> the apt-get locked up too
[01:09] <Prisoner_> they all work
[01:09] <newlinuxguy> I'll just wait for the alt text
[01:09] <newlinuxguy> would have been nice to have this done this weekend
[01:09] <Prisoner_> I'm running Ubuntu on the 400mhz right now
[01:09] <newlinuxguy> I'll see you guys next weekend
[01:09] <Rob-West> i wish i had a second PC
[01:09] <HymnToLife> I'm running Debian on 60 MHz right now :p
[01:10] <newlinuxguy> lol!
[01:10] <newlinuxguy> 60mhz!
[01:10] <newlinuxguy> wow
[01:10] <adaptr> I'd love to run uc on my NCD 66MHz terminal... but I'm not sure I can flash it
[01:10] <Rob-West> im running Ubuntu on a 2.8GHZ P4
[01:10] <Prisoner_> you can get machines like this one for next to nothing these days
[01:10] <newlinuxguy> yeah, rob
[01:10] <newlinuxguy> I have all kinds of parts hanging around
[01:10] <HymnToLife> true
[01:11] <HymnToLife> and they're still fun to play with
[01:11] <Prisoner_> they sure are
[01:11] <Rob-West> i dont have a job
[01:11] <adaptr> I have about 8 machines - but I'm only running 5, so I guess that's a tie
[01:11] <HymnToLife> me neither
[01:11] <Rob-West> im a bum
[01:11] <adaptr> you're all bums !
[01:12] <Prisoner_> I rarely boot up the 486 or the 200 anymore, even though they both work, the 200mhz had Novell on it, the 486/66 has Windows NT Server
[01:12] <dope> where's the autostart folder?
[01:12] <Dr_willis> .kde/Autostart
[01:12] <adaptr> ... or was that "you all *have* bums" ?
[01:12] <newlinuxguy> http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/57909216/m/723002003831
[01:12] <Rob-West> if i could get the parts id build the PC
[01:12] <Prisoner_> I have an older HP CD burner in this box but it's showing as an Optorite, is that OK?
[01:13] <newlinuxguy> Rob, where do you live
[01:13] <Rob-West> USA
[01:13] <Rob-West> michigan
[01:13] <newlinuxguy> I used to live in south bend
[01:13] <newlinuxguy> check out that thread
[01:13] <newlinuxguy> there's a freebie section
[01:13] <Rob-West> fuck man PM me
[01:13] <newlinuxguy> and the forum in general has a freebie section
[01:13] <HymnToLife> !language | Rob-West
[01:13] <ubotu> Rob-West: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:13] <Rob-West> sorry
[01:14] <Prisoner_> I live in the deep south, Baton Rouge, Louisiana
[01:15] <MetaBookfoziS> hi all
[01:15] <MetaBookfoziS> i have a problem on kubuntu 6.10
[01:15] <MetaBookfoziS> it isn't recognises my pendrive
[01:15] <MetaBookfoziS> how can i debug that?
[01:15] <Rob-West> newlinuxguy:
[01:15] <MetaBookfoziS> in syslog i see it is doing soemthing but kde is not..
[01:16] <HymnToLife> MetaBookfoziS, after plugging it in, run        ls /dev/sd*
[01:16] <HymnToLife> ans paste what you get
[01:16] <Prisoner_> I'm running Ubuntu on an AMD K6 400 mhz machine, 384MB RAM, ATI Radeon VE 64MB video card, Soundblaster Live soundcard, HP CD burner, Macronix PCI Network card
[01:16] <HymnToLife> and*
[01:17] <MetaBookfoziS> HymnToLife > nothing:/
[01:17] <HymnToLife> sounds bad
[01:17] <MetaBookfoziS> yep
[01:17] <HymnToLife> run   dmesg | tail
[01:17] <Prisoner_> lol
[01:17] <MetaBookfoziS> it is already worked on it about a month ago
[01:17] <HymnToLife> do you see something that seems related to it ?
[01:18] <tanlaan> are there any wifi channels that linux specifically doesnt like?
[01:18] <MetaBookfoziS> HymnToLife > http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2351/
[01:19] <newlinuxguy> willis, you were right
[01:19] <E_mE> where is a good document that examples how to configure wireless via the iwconfig command?
[01:19] <newlinuxguy> apt-get freezes at the restarting system log
[01:19] <newlinuxguy> sigh
[01:19] <HymnToLife> E_mE, man iwconfig ?
[01:20] <newlinuxguy> well I'll go ahead and let the alt text d/l
[01:20] <newlinuxguy> and hopefully get time to install this during the week
[01:20] <E_mE> HymnToLife: yes, but that gives me all the options... my knowledge of wireless isnt great so i wouldnt mind a site that ran throw some rthings with me
[01:20] <Rob-West> newlinuxguy:
[01:20] <HymnToLife> E_mE, genrally, you only need to do iwconfig YOUR_IF essid YOUR_ESSID key YOUR_WEP_KEY
[01:20] <E_mE> ah nice :D
[01:20] <E_mE> thanx HymnToLife
[01:20] <newlinuxguy> it got to the point of saying settuping up kubuntu-desktop 1.22 but then it froze when it said restarting system log
[01:21] <HymnToLife> then dhclient YOUR_IF if your router is using DHCP
[01:21] <phobiac> I'm using the flash 9 beta 2 plugin for firefox and almost constantly flash videos will lose sound. Sometimes they keep playing without sound, often times they just stop playing at all.
[01:21] <newlinuxguy> do the alternate text cd installs just do installs in a console like I'm doing now
[01:21] <E_mE> HymnToLife: im just getting sick of using hte wifi tool from KDE... rather it do it in a script :)
[01:21] <MetaBookfoziS> HymnToLife >  any idea?
[01:21] <phobiac> I (think) it's streaming videos that stop playing completely.
[01:21] <HymnToLife> phobiac, Flash 9 is not beta anymore, maybe you should think about upgrading ?
[01:21] <E_mE> HymnToLife: Thanx man :)
[01:22] <phobiac> HymToLife: Aha, I'll try that.
[01:22] <HymnToLife> MetaBookfoziS, do other pendrives work ?
[01:22] <MetaBookfoziS> no
[01:22] <MetaBookfoziS> my phone is the same
[01:23] <newlinuxguy> someone recommended a site to start learning fundamentals on... it was a .org site
[01:24] <newlinuxguy> and it is
[01:24] <newlinuxguy> not in my buffer anymore
[01:24] <E_mE> HymnToLife: Can the YOUR_ESSID be any value you wish?
[01:24] <newlinuxguy> does anyone know what it is?
[01:24] <Rob-West> i need ur help newlinuxguy
[01:25] <newlinuxguy> that's cool man, I'm leaving soon so like I said go ahead and send an e-mail to matthew1429@gmail.com
[01:25] <newlinuxguy> we can possibly arrange something
[01:25] <newlinuxguy> my fundage isnt at a point to where I can swing a whole lot
[01:25] <HymnToLife> E_mE, it obviously needs to be the ESSID of the netwotk you want to connect to
[01:25] <newlinuxguy> but I'll do what I can
[01:26] <newlinuxguy> wow...
[01:26] <newlinuxguy> kubuntu is booting
[01:26] <E_mE> HymnToLife:  Sorry i jsut relised the "essid YOU_ESSID" was one statment hehehe.. stupidity on my part :S
[01:26] <newlinuxguy> I'm not sure I got it all
[01:26] <Rob-West> r u talking to me newlinuxguy
[01:26] <newlinuxguy> because it hung at "restarting at system log"
[01:26] <newlinuxguy> yeah rob
[01:27] <Prisoner_> I was surprised when Ubuntu booted the first time
[01:27] <newlinuxguy> actually
[01:27] <newlinuxguy> it said sound server fatal error
[01:27] <newlinuxguy> lol
[01:27] <newlinuxguy> I've had alot of character building experience today
[01:27] <newlinuxguy> cpu overload
[01:27] <newlinuxguy> aborting
[01:27] <newlinuxguy> lol
[01:27] <MetaBookfoziS> hmm
[01:28] <MetaBookfoziS> as i see, this is a kernel problem
[01:28] <newlinuxguy> but then again
[01:28] <newlinuxguy> I just did
[01:28] <newlinuxguy> an apt-get
[01:28] <Rob-West> newlinuxguy can i PM u
[01:28] <newlinuxguy> rob I'm leaving soon
[01:28] <Rob-West> i know
[01:28] <newlinuxguy> which is why e-mail works best for me
[01:28] <newlinuxguy> okay?
[01:28] <Rob-West> i just wanna ask something
[01:28] <newlinuxguy> go ahead
[01:28] <newlinuxguy> I'll wait
[01:29] <Rob-West> nvm ill email u
[01:30] <newlinuxguy> okay
[01:30] <newlinuxguy> thanks
[01:30] <newlinuxguy> everyone thanks for your help
[01:30] <newlinuxguy> I hope the alternate text iso will work better than these last 2 installs
[01:30] <newlinuxguy> phew
[01:31] <Rob-West> newlinuxguy u can see my on Efner
[01:31] <Rob-West> Efnet
[01:31] <newlinuxguy> okay
[01:33] <Prisoner_> trying to download Ubuntu 6.10
[01:35] <MetaBookfoziS> Pensacola > ubuntu or kubuntu?:)
[01:41] <underdog5004> oh man, I don't know if any of you guys know, but the single FiOp line that services the entire COUNTY (Humboldt) got severed this morning from a structural fire in Mendicino...totally sucked!
[01:42] <Phlosten> underdog5004: bit of a bugger
[01:42] <underdog5004> uh, yeah...
[01:42] <underdog5004> lol
[01:42] <Phlosten> sounds like the farmer years back who ploughed up the main optic fibre link between Melbourne and Sydney
[01:42] <underdog5004> whoa...here we have signs saying "Don't dig"...
[01:43] <Phlosten> well, this would have been on a farm of many acres
[01:43] <underdog5004> I guess fires don't read signs, though...
[01:43] <underdog5004> ah
[01:43] <Phlosten> hehe, yeah
[01:43] <Phlosten> you could imagine the look when he worked out what the hell he had done
[01:43] <underdog5004> Our fiber is buried 3 feet down and runs right next to an interstate...kinda stupid....I think.
[01:44] <underdog5004> although it does keep people from plowing it up!
[01:44] <Phlosten> underdog5004: until there is a big accident and they accidentally carve through it on clean up
[01:45] <underdog5004> seriously!
[01:45] <underdog5004> oh well...there's been talk about adding another line for redundancy...
[01:45] <underdog5004> wish they'd hurry up w/ it though...I wasn't expecting it fixed for a few day!
[01:45] <underdog5004> days*
[01:46] <underdog5004> but it did get fixed...yay
[01:48] <E_mE> does anyone have any good reference to getting iwconfig to get networked
[01:48] <E_mE> ive been messing around with it for abit and not having much luck
[01:49] <underdog5004> E_mE, what card are you using?
[01:49] <E_mE> ipw2200 i tihnk.. ill check
[01:50] <E_mE> Centrino b/g ipw2200
[01:50] <underdog5004> ok...h/p
[01:50] <underdog5004> h/o
[01:50] <underdog5004> uh, isn't Centrino a type of Intel processor?
[01:51] <E_mE> I think its kind of an optimaztion for wifi or somethinf silly
[01:51] <E_mE> some intel rubbish
[01:51] <underdog5004> ok...I"m googlin' now!
[01:51] <underdog5004> E_mE, check out this link, it may help you...        http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/
[01:51] <E_mE> thanx
[01:51] <underdog5004> np
[01:52] <MetaBookfoziSLP> good night!
[01:52] <E_mE> I mean i can get online with my Wifi, its just i want to be able to configure it via console instead of KDE
[01:53] <underdog5004> E_mE, ah, server install?
[01:53] <E_mE> if that is relavent in anyway
[01:53] <E_mE> well you could see it like that yes
[01:53] <E_mE> but no... i want to be able to boot up and execute a script which checks for wifi
[01:53] <underdog5004> lol, wanna tell me more? Is it you're 1337 haxx0r box?
[01:53] <E_mE> and if exists then connects to my home network
[01:53] <underdog5004> ah, gotcha
[01:54] <link__> is hotmail secure?
[01:54] <E_mE> link__ id consider it pretty secure since SSL is enabled... but then im sure there are methods ;)
[01:55] <underdog5004> link__, uh, it's microsoft.
[01:55] <underdog5004> I would use gmail; more storage, looks nicer, no MS...
[01:55] <link__> ok
[01:55] <underdog5004> Actually, I _do_ use Gmail...lol
[01:56] <E_mE> underdog5004: I completely agree with that opinion
[01:56] <link__> I would, but I don't have a phone for text input
[01:56] <E_mE> underdog5004: shame about the invitation though
[01:56] <Tyler> Hello
[01:56] <link__> hola!
[01:56] <underdog5004> I'd send one...emails?
[01:56] <link__> yeah, on g-mail don't you need a cell phone?
[01:57] <E_mE> join #ipw2100
[01:57] <underdog5004> yep
[01:57] <Moadiv> hi people !!
[01:57] <Tyler> I need a little help if anyone doesn't mind.
[01:57] <underdog5004> !ask | tyle
[01:57] <ubotu> tyle: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:57] <underdog5004> !ask | Tyler
[01:57] <E_mE> a cell phone for gmail thats bollox
[01:57] <ubotu> Tyler: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:57] <underdog5004> lol
[01:58] <Tyler> Klol
[01:58] <underdog5004> what's up, Tyler
[01:58] <underdog5004> ?
[01:58] <Tyler> I just got kubuntu
[01:58] <underdog5004> ok
[01:58] <E_mE> link__ you want a gmail account i can set you one up
[01:58] <Tyler> But I can't get the internet to work ):
[01:58] <blekos> hi, i try to remove a package with the "remove" command but i get the msg command not found
[01:58] <blekos> any ideas?
[01:58] <Moadiv> any one using Flash 8 in Wine ??
[01:58] <underdog5004> blekos, sudo apt-get remove program-name
[01:58] <Morbo> blekos- What's the full command you're using?
[01:58] <underdog5004> Moadiv, Adobe recently released Flash Player 9 Final for linux
[01:58] <Morbo> Moadiv- Flash 9
[01:58] <blekos> remove-purge gtkpod-aac
[01:59] <E_mE> link__ you just need another e-mail account where i can send you an invitation to join
[01:59] <Morbo> It's final now?
[01:59] <Morbo> woot.
[01:59] <Moadiv> hi Morbo
[01:59] <underdog5004> Morbo, as far as Iknow
[01:59] <Tyler> I'm using KPPP but it continuously says my modem is busy
[01:59] <underdog5004> blekos, sudo apt-get remove program-name
[01:59] <underdog5004> blekos, or do this           sudo apt-get remove --purge program-name
[01:59] <link__> E_mE: I'd very much like that thanks
[02:00] <underdog5004> Moadiv, http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash
[02:00] <link__> E_mE: I was trying to set up ICQ.
[02:00] <link__> (as well)
[02:00] <E_mE> link__ whats you e-mail address?
[02:00] <blekos> ok thnx
[02:00] <Moadiv> the macromedia flash 8   not the player
[02:00] <link__> code_shift@yahoo.com
[02:01] <E_mE> link__ ok give me 2 minutes
[02:01] <underdog5004> Moadiv, ah...I know that Flash 9 beta2 is out
[02:01] <link__> E_mE: ok
[02:01] <link__> lol
[02:01] <Tyler> Can somebody please help?
[02:01] <link__> Tyler: what do you need help with?
[02:01] <underdog5004> Tyler, what's up?
[02:01] <underdog5004> !ask
[02:01] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[02:01] <E_mE> link_ check you yahoo mail
[02:01] <link__> ok
[02:02] <Tyler> Okay, so the problem is, The internet say my modem is continously busy
[02:02] <Tyler> Which it isn't
[02:02] <Moadiv> and it works in kubuntu ?
[02:02] <Tyler> (I run a dual boot with windows)
[02:02] <underdog5004> !winmodem
[02:02] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto
[02:02] <underdog5004> there you go, Tyler
[02:03] <Tyler> Okay I'll heck that out, thanks.
[02:03] <Tyler> *check
[02:03] <underdog5004> np
[02:03] <Moadiv> im runing flash 8 in wine but it crash
[02:03] <underdog5004> If it doesn't work, look for a controller-based modem.
[02:03] <underdog5004> those generally work
[02:03] <Moadiv> creating work space
[02:03] <E_mE> link__: it work okay?
[02:04] <Tyler> The only think weird is no matter what port I try it still messes up
[02:04] <link__> E_mE: I just filled out the form
[02:04] <underdog5004> Moadiv, why bother with Flash 8 in wine?
[02:04] <E_mE> link__: nice...
[02:04] <underdog5004> Tyler, google around, I found some sites that helped me install a modem using wvdial
[02:04] <link__> E_mE: thanks a lot! :)
[02:04] <E_mE> link__: no problem mate.
[02:05] <Moadiv> not the flash player !! the desing application
[02:05] <underdog5004> desing?
[02:05] <underdog5004> oh, the actual flash maker?
[02:05] <underdog5004> my bad, I'm sorry
[02:05] <Moadiv> lol sorry for my ing
[02:05] <underdog5004> ing?
[02:06] <underdog5004> lol, I have no idea what you're talking about
[02:06] <Thehound666> Can someone link me to some info? Been trying to sort through Google. I need rtorrent to run my torrents automaticaly on system startup in case of power failures
[02:06] <Moadiv> english
[02:06] <underdog5004> Thehound666, had the same problem, no help
[02:06] <underdog5004> Thehound666, I looked for WEEKS, nothing
[02:07] <Thehound666> noone who knows more than us? I always figure someone knows more than me
[02:07] <underdog5004> Thehound666, I think it's because it has to route it's display to something, but if you run it on start up, there is no available screen to display on
[02:07] <E_mE> link__: what programming languages do you play with?
[02:07] <underdog5004> I just installed rtorrent on my server, and ssh into it
[02:08] <Thehound666> can you initialise it through ssh?
[02:09] <underdog5004> yep
[02:09] <underdog5004> I do, anyways
[02:09] <underdog5004> but you gotta stay logged on to keep rtorrent running; ie. keep the ssh'ing window open
[02:09] <Thehound666> hook me up with a link lol before I go to school. when I go away I want my seeding to occur from home
[02:09] <Mexandrew> Salutations
[02:10] <Thehound666> I always got a Linux box running, keeping ssh'ed in is no issue
[02:11] <underdog5004> Thehound666, basically, forward port 22 on your router to your server/rtorrent box, then open up a konsole (if on linux) or PuTTY (if on windows) and type ssh username@ipaddress_of_router, then type in rtorrent
[02:11] <underdog5004> you have to know the "outside" ip address of your router though...go to www.whatismyip.com to find it out
[02:11] <Thehound666> ok but how do I setup the login on the server end aka rtorrent client pc?
[02:11] <Thehound666> that's the only part that isn't obvious
[02:12] <underdog5004> Thehound666, h/o
[02:12] <E_mE> link__: Do you do any programming? considering your name is code shifter?
[02:12] <Mexandrew> I just came in to thank #kubuntu, specially Dr_willis and Murchadh for the support I received last time
[02:12] <Mexandrew> I finally have Kubuntu running without GRUB ignoring my Windows XP
[02:12] <underdog5004> Thehound666, sudo apt-get install ssh openssh-server
[02:12] <Thehound666> I should try puttying in from this pc to test it from my windows box
[02:13] <link__> E_mE: I'm learning
[02:13] <underdog5004> you gotta get a ssh server on your server
[02:13] <E_mE> link__: what language?
[02:13] <Mexandrew> Anyway, that was all, I feel I owed this channel a big thank you
[02:13] <Mexandrew> Now, I'll go, I need to figure out how to get identd working on Konversation
[02:13] <link__> E_mE: Thanks to the inter-library loans I can get whatever programming books I want from my local library for free
[02:14] <Thehound666> installed
[02:14] <E_mE> link__: what one are you wish to aim for??  im getting quite into PHP my self
[02:14] <soulrider> anyone here plays true combat elite? im having some trouble with it
[02:14] <link__> E_mE: Well, my native tongue is C++, but I'm taking Java in college and trying to use Python and stuff
[02:14] <underdog5004> Thehound666, cool, now you should be able to ssh into it
[02:14] <Thehound666> no config?
[02:14] <Thehound666> neat
[02:14] <underdog5004> nope
[02:15] <E_mE> link__: im trying to get OOP knowledge in PHP, need to create a Intranet for the company i work for
[02:15] <link__> E_mE: well, I've tried php, but it just did'nt work
[02:15] <Thehound666> I'll try from Wintrash in a few.
[02:15] <Thehound666> thanks for the help
[02:15] <underdog5004> np, remember to pay it forward!
[02:15] <E_mE> link__: I love the C feel to it my self
[02:15] <link__> E_me: hmm... wish I could help you.  I'm just a newb on the IRC
[02:15] <E_mE> link__: mixed with few other elemetns
[02:16] <E_mE> link__: dont want help.. just starting conversation :)  geek talk hehe
[02:16] <link__> E_mE: yeah, it's the penguin game that made me look at it more seriously.
[02:17] <underdog5004> link__, lol, supertux?
[02:17] <E_mE> link__: my starting platform was pascal.... hehe though penquins can be stupid at times
[02:17] <link__> E_mE: lol right on.  I'm the only programmer I know that's seriously interested
[02:17] <E_mE> link__: hehe.... well..
[02:17] <link__> E_me: no the one where you sit in the middle of the floor with a cannon and shoot at the colored balls on the ceiling
[02:18] <E_mE> link__: i just ordered a book on PHP programming pattarns and objects
[02:18] <E_mE> link__: i got all these ideas that i want to sructure into a script/series of events but god my head can't decided the correct route of implementing them
[02:19] <link__> E_mE: sweet.  lol.  I tried making a simple "Hello World" and it would not work.  at all.  the code was coppied ver-batem
[02:19] <Tyler> If somebody will help me with linux I'll help somebody with php lol
[02:19] <link__> E_mE: thinking hurts
[02:19] <E_mE> link__: sounds like PHP wasn't configured properly
[02:19] <link__> lol  cool
[02:19] <Tyler> <?php print "Hello World"; ?>
[02:19] <E_mE> hahahahah
[02:19] <link__> yeah... like everything on my freaking PC
[02:19] <Tyler> If that doesn't work your php's go probs
[02:20] <Tyler> *got
[02:20] <link__> ill try that right now...  brb
[02:20] <E_mE> tyler: id say <? echo "Hello World"; ?>
[02:20] <Tyler> That would work
[02:20] <Tyler> adding php just defines it
[02:20] <E_mE> Tyler: yeah... echo is one letter shorter heheh
[02:21] <E_mE> Tyler: what do you need help with?
[02:21] <underdog5004> E_mE, his modem
[02:21] <Minataku> xscreensaver is what brought me back to Linux
[02:21] <Minataku> lol
[02:21] <underdog5004> Tyler, have you googled around?
[02:21] <Tyler> My linux is really not working good. I can't get it to mount a floppy run a program Ive downloaded or anything
[02:21] <underdog5004> try www.linmodems.org
[02:21] <E_mE> Tyler: what modem is it?
[02:21] <Minataku> I thought it was too difficult to deal with but I started jonesing for xscreensaver
[02:21] <Minataku> lol
[02:22] <Tyler> I've been googling for a few days
[02:22] <Minataku> Keep in mind that I don't even use it anymore now XD
[02:22] <E_mE> Tyler: what happesn when you try to mount a floppy?
[02:22] <Tyler> It goes all crazy and doesn't evne show anything
[02:22] <Tyler> And throws an error
[02:22] <Dr_willis> Now thats specific :)
[02:22] <underdog5004> sounds like an irq problem.
[02:22] <E_mE> Tyler: mounting a floopy generally is quite difficult.. i suggest you mount a hard one =P
[02:23] <Tyler> ?
[02:23] <Tyler> lol
[02:23] <libelular> hello
[02:23] <nate_> is there away i can change the login window in edgy
[02:23] <underdog5004> nate_, yes
[02:23] <E_mE> Tyler: thank you, least ur got it
[02:23] <Dr_willis> theres a great many kdm themes you can mess with.
[02:23] <E_mE> Tyler: you sure you aint got some HW issues?
[02:23] <nate_> when i tried to intsall gdm manager it said it would have issues
[02:24] <Tyler> I dunno what's wrong with it
[02:24] <Dr_willis> why use gdm - kubuntu has kdm,
[02:24] <Tyler> Maybe because I'm running a dual boot?
[02:24] <E_mE> Tyler: do you hjave windows as well??
[02:24] <Tyler> Yeah
[02:24] <Tyler> I'm on a Windows right now
[02:24] <nate_> i dont know of any other login manager things
[02:24] <E_mE> Tyler: is windows perfectly fine?
[02:24] <Tyler> Yes
[02:24] <Tyler> But it's old
[02:24] <underdog5004> nate_, Kmenu => System Settings => Login Manager
[02:24] <E_mE> Tyler: even with Floppies?
[02:24] <Dr_willis> nate_,  kdm, gdm, xdm, wdm :) kubuntu comes with kdm by default. and theres a lot of kdm themes you can get.
[02:24] <link__> um... where do I put "<?php print "Hello World"; ?>"
[02:25] <link__> I'm lost there.
[02:25] <libelular> I am trying to instal nomachine but I get a error about dependence
[02:25] <Tyler> In a .php file
[02:25] <link__> ok
[02:25] <E_mE> link__: do you have a Apache server running?
[02:25] <E_mE> or php-cli?
[02:25] <link__> nope
[02:25] <libelular> could someone help me?
[02:25] <link__> did I need those?
[02:25] <E_mE> well apt-get install apache2
[02:25] <link__> ok
[02:25] <E_mE> apt-get install php5
[02:25] <Dr_willis> !info nomachine
[02:25] <ubotu> Package nomachine does not exist in any distro I know
[02:25] <underdog5004> !ask | libelular
[02:25] <ubotu> libelular: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[02:25] <E_mE> link__: yes you do...
[02:26] <underdog5004> libelular, what's going on?
[02:26] <libelular> ubotu:  I did!
[02:26] <E_mE> link__: well you can have console mode PHP if u wish too
[02:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about I did! - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:26] <HymnToLife> !ubotu | libelular
[02:26] <ubotu> libelular: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:26] <Tyler> E_mE: Hmm... Really weird... man
[02:26] <E_mE> Tyler: does windows mount floppies
[02:26] <underdog5004> rofl
[02:26] <E_mE> Tyler: what?
[02:26] <Tyler> Windows works perfect
[02:26] <underdog5004> !nomachine
[02:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nomachine - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:26] <libelular> underdog5004:  I tryed to install nomachine and I get an error about dependency
[02:26] <Tyler> With floppies drives everything.
[02:26] <HymnToLife> Tyler, PHP is not _only_ a web language
[02:27] <underdog5004> libelular, Which program are you using to install it?
[02:27] <HymnToLife> you can run PHP scripts from a command-line interpreter, just as well as you can run Python scripts from a web page
[02:27] <E_mE> Tyler: quite suss! have you tried to reinstall Kubuntu?
[02:27] <HymnToLife> hmm, never mind that :p
[02:27] <Tyler> I installed it from a CD
[02:27] <libelular> underdog5004:  the default program (package installer)
[02:27] <Tyler> But what's really weird when it boots up
[02:27] <E_mE> Tyler: what version?
[02:27] <underdog5004> libelular, is nomachine in a .deb file?
[02:28] <Tyler> 6.06.1 LTS
[02:28] <E_mE> Tyler: try Kubuntu 6.10
[02:28] <libelular> underdog5004:  yes
[02:28] <E_mE> see what happens then
[02:28] <terapicodave> how do I set firefox to open when I click a link in kopete?
[02:28] <terapicodave> right now quanta plus starts
[02:28] <Tyler> I would if I could find a CD
[02:28] <underdog5004> hmm, what are the dependencies? use pastebin to show me the error it kicks out...
[02:28] <link__> E_mE: oh yeahl... I installed straight from 6.10  was I supposed to do that or start with an LTS?
[02:28] <underdog5004> !pastebin
[02:28] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:28] <E_mE> Dr_willis: its true, but you know... don;t diss the oldschool man ;)
[02:29] <E_mE> link__: sorry what do you mean?
[02:29] <Dr_willis> E_mE,  i bought a floppy drive for this box. Just because i needed one for XP to load the SATA drivers for install..
[02:29] <Thehound666> it works mate. I just went in with Putty on my Windows box and did a sudo apt-get update to test it
[02:29] <Thehound666> :)
[02:29] <HymnToLife> [02:28]  * Dr_willis wonders what one even uses a floppy disk for these days <= BIOS upgrades ?
[02:29] <Dr_willis> HymnToLife,  last few machines ive had - can read bios files from.. err.. the bios. :)
[02:29] <underdog5004> HymnToLife, not on intel boards...
[02:29] <E_mE> Dr_willis: that is fecking rediculous :/  can't beleve that XP still relise on Floppy based drivers :/
[02:30] <link__> E_mE: I installed my OS from Kubuntu 6.10  but was I supposed to start out with Ubuntu 6.06 and THEN add it on or what?
[02:30] <Dr_willis> E_mE,  or ya could redo a xp cd and include them.
[02:30] <Tyler> I'm getting ubuntu 6.10 tomarrow I think, it's the same isn't it?
[02:30] <underdog5004> E_mE, the vista installer can access sata drivers (for instance) that are stored on a USB stick...wow, what innovation!
[02:30] <libelular> underdog5004:  ?
 Dr_willis: that is fecking rediculous :/  can't beleve that XP still relise on Floppy based drivers :/
[02:31] <underdog5004> @libelular ^^^
[02:31] <E_mE> Dr_willis: you could yes... but i;ve been impressed very much by IBM server driver CDs... you boot of the IBM CD which goes into a cut down link.. prepares you syustem for windows isntall.. gets you licence code and all the drivers ready for when you put you WinXP CD in ;)
[02:31] <underdog5004> whoa, I stunned everyone into silence...
[02:31] <Tyler> Hopefully Linux'll work soon.
[02:31] <E_mE> Dr_willis: its amazingly slick and nice
[02:31] <terapicodave> does anyone know how kopete decides what application to launch when I click a web link in it?
[02:32] <E_mE> underdog5004: about feking time hehehe thats thinking 20 years into the future i say
[02:32] <libelular> underdog5004:  can you help me?
[02:32] <underdog5004> E_mE, yeah....NOT
[02:32] <underdog5004> libelular, oh, yeah...maybe...h/o
[02:32] <bxnp> guys i have some mayer problem at this moment when i boot into my computer and want to login into kde its not working. when i enter the password i get it tries to login and but then i get the login screen back
[02:32] <E_mE> link__: did your Apache2 iinstall work?
[02:32] <E_mE> underdog5004: your making think of Borat man... stop it!
[02:32] <bxnp> when i then afther that login into the console i get a persmission denied from /dev/null
[02:32] <link__> I have it installed but now I've been trying the command line
[02:33] <bxnp> so i chmod 777 /dev/null and then afterwords i can login
[02:33] <Thehound666> I'm stunned setting up remote access is so easy
[02:33] <E_mE> link__ do you have PHP installed?
[02:33] <Tyler> link_: Get your php working?
[02:33] <link__> idk
[02:33] <Thehound666> even more involved on Windows
[02:33] <underdog5004> E_mE, I like...
[02:33] <link__> lol... yeah, guess I don't know much about this stuff at all.
[02:33] <E_mE> underdog5004: hehehe! pure english humour to the world
[02:34] <underdog5004> bxnp, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver
[02:34] <nate_> im in system settings and i cant see anything about login windows
[02:34] <link__> uh... can I find php?
[02:34] <link__> man -k php...
[02:34] <bxnp> do you think that will do the trick underdog5004
[02:34] <terapicodave> is there a kde configuration editor?
[02:35] <E_mE> link__: apt-get install php5
[02:35] <underdog5004> bxnp, sure hope so...sounds like your xorg.conf file is screwed up
[02:35] <E_mE> link__: or look on you package manager for PHP related items
[02:35] <link__> E_mE: alright
[02:35] <bxnp> could you tell me what you get with ls -l /dev/null underdog5004
[02:35] <Dr_willis> nate_,  you may have to install some package to let ya confogure kdm. I recall doing that a long time ago
[02:35] <Dr_willis> !find kdm
[02:35] <ubotu> Found: kde-kdm-themes, kdmtheme, kdm
[02:36] <underdog5004> libelular, did you follow the instructions posted here?        http://www.nomachine.com/download-client-linux.php
[02:36] <E_mE> link__: if you have installed Apache2 correctly, you should be able to enter http://127.0.0.1 into your webbrowser and see soemting
[02:36] <E_mE> !find php
[02:36] <ubotu> Found: dh-make-php, egroupware-phpbrain, egroupware-phpsysinfo, gphpedit, htcheck-php (and 198 others)
[02:36] <libelular> underdog5004:  yes
[02:36] <E_mE> !find php5
[02:36] <ubotu> Found: php5-clamavlib, php5-imagick, php5-imap, php5-interbase, php5-json (and 29 others)
[02:36] <nate_> i have beryl working will it work with a lighter desktop like  xfce
[02:36] <link__> E_mE: *sigh* I really wish I had that cool 3D look.  I tried compiz from adept, but it just messed up my monitor/desktop settings.  Maybe I should have been trying it from outside the current window manager
[02:36] <underdog5004> bxnp, why? /dev/null is where you system drops stuff...it is oblivion, I believe.
[02:36] <Tyler> php 4 is actually better then php5 btb
[02:36] <Tyler> Less errors.
[02:37] <underdog5004> libelular, please post the error message on pastebin
[02:37] <underdog5004> !pastebin
[02:37] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:37] <E_mE> Tyler: one word... OOP ;)  ... im all for the OOP
[02:37] <libelular> underdog5004:  dpkg: error processing nxnode (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[02:37] <libelular> Errors were encountered while processing: nxnode
[02:37] <bxnp> because when then afther i login into the console i get a persmission denied messag afther i logged in from /dev/null when i chmod it to 777 i can logint into kde
[02:37] <Tyler> E_mE: lol
[02:37] <link__> Tyler & EmE_: hmmm...
[02:37] <bxnp> but i want to know what the default settings are
[02:37] <E_mE> link__: whats 3D look got to do with anything?
[02:37] <underdog5004> !find nxnode
[02:37] <ubotu> Package/file nxnode does not exist in edgy
[02:38] <link__> E_mE: I'd like to try it out.  I've never had a 3D desktop.
[02:38] <underdog5004> bxnp, you shouldn't be signing in from /dev/null...you should be signing in from somewhere like /dev/tty1
[02:38] <underdog5004> or something
[02:38] <underdog5004> libelular, <ubotu> Package/file nxnode does not exist in edgy
[02:38] <Tyler> <?php if ($linux == "Doesn't work") $getmad = "true; else $getmad = "false"; ?>
[02:39] <link__> E_mE: doesn't necesarily make my OS better, but I think it looks friggin' cool
[02:39] <libelular> underdog5004:  but I can download from nomachine.com
[02:39] <E_mE> Tyler: i've designed the whole work intranet on PHP5 its work nice.. .no errors for me so far
[02:39] <underdog5004> bxnp, sounds like you really REALLY borked your system...
[02:39] <bxnp> this is what i get when i am on /dev/tty underdog5004
[02:39] <underdog5004> libelular, it may not be available for edgy simply because it breaks something else...
[02:39] <Tyler>  I dunno php5 didn't work very well for me
[02:39] <bxnp> i need to know if some script is altertings the permission so thats why i need to know the default permissions
[02:39] <Tyler> It's too strict lol
[02:39] <underdog5004> bxnp, ah, ok...h/o
[02:39] <Dr_willis> the defaults should be 777 i thought.
[02:40] <bxnp> thanks
[02:40] <bxnp> :)
[02:40] <Dr_willis> ls -l /dev/null
[02:40] <Dr_willis> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2006-12-15 12:22 /dev/null
[02:40] <bxnp> mine are when i boot only CRM
[02:40] <bxnp> crw
[02:40] <bxnp> i meant
[02:40] <libelular> underdog5004:  nomachine works fine in a xandros machine... why not edgy?
[02:40] <bxnp> you see underdog5004 some script is altering my permissions
[02:40] <bxnp> when i boot
[02:40] <link__> E_me: update on the php-shizzle:  yeah something came up on 127.0.0.1
[02:41] <bxnp> /dev/tty and x are using /dev/null so if it cant write to it you system behaves strange
[02:41] <Dr_willis> bxnp,  /dev/ is a dynamic file system. I dont even know why a script would be doing that.
[02:41] <underdog5004> bxnp, I get this for permissions: crw-rw-rw-
[02:41] <link__> E_me: I installed the php5... cuz its newer
[02:41] <underdog5004> libelular, I have no idea
[02:41] <underdog5004> I'm not a developer...
[02:42] <bxnp> me neither, that's why i was a bit supprised by reconfigure x, cause then i still dont know what is happening on my system
[02:42] <bxnp> if that is the case i could better use windows :)
[02:42] <bxnp> the only thing i need to know is what script is responsible
[02:42] <Tyler> I think I figured out why linux doesn't work properly :D
[02:42] <Tyler> It doesn't like my processor ):
[02:42] <libelular> underdog5004:  could I use something else to remote edgy from a windows machine (GUI) ?
[02:42] <underdog5004> tyler, which are you using?
[02:42] <Dr_willis> http://www.nomachine.com/select-package.php?os=linux&id=1     - has ubuntu downloads.
[02:42] <Tyler> I have an AMD Duron Proceessor
[02:42] <underdog5004> libelular, what do you mean? Like a remote desktop?
[02:43] <E_mE> ok link__:  create a test.php in /var/www and enter some code
[02:43] <Tyler> And I'm trying to run 6.06.1
[02:43] <underdog5004> Tyler, aw, it'll run fine on that...I know mine ran fine....
[02:43] <libelular> underdog5004:  yes
[02:43] <Tyler> I have 512MB of RAM and stuff
[02:43] <underdog5004> libelular, uh, not sure that'll work...
[02:43] <link__> E_mE: ok///  (newbie boy gonna try it now)
[02:43] <E_mE> link__: then in your web browser type http://127.0.0.1/test.php and magic!
[02:43] <Tyler> Why won't it work tho lol
[02:43] <link__> lol
[02:43] <underdog5004> libelular, you may need to ssh in or vlc in to your edgy box from another linux install.
[02:44] <libelular> Dr_willis:  not working
[02:44] <Dr_willis> libelular,  check their forums then i guess.
[02:44] <E_mE> Tyler: id try to reinstall you ubuntu... or upgrade to 6.10 and see if anything different happens.. sounds like you got fair few problems
[02:44] <Tyler> Yeah I have ALOT of problems
[02:44] <newlinuxguy> okay...
[02:44] <libelular> underdog5004,  Dr_willis  Thank you !
[02:44] <newlinuxguy> I am staying home to get this done
[02:44] <Tyler> not even mentioning the problems at bootup
[02:45] <E_mE> Tyler: eleminate the simpliest of theroies before going for the insane ones
[02:45] <underdog5004> libelular, np, sorry I couldn't help...
[02:45] <newlinuxguy> everyone cross your fingers
[02:45] <newlinuxguy> I have the alt text cd
[02:45] <newlinuxguy> the md5 was good
[02:45] <Tyler> I've tried everything
[02:45] <underdog5004> newlinuxguy, it'll be fine...have fun with it!
[02:45] <newlinuxguy> you haven't been here
[02:45] <newlinuxguy> hehe
[02:45] <newlinuxguy> I've been trying since about 3 today
[02:45] <E_mE> Tyler: what hardware do you have?
[02:45] <newlinuxguy> and spent 3 hours last night
[02:46] <underdog5004> newlinuxguy, bummer, how much ram do you have>?
[02:46] <Tyler> 2 drives AMD Duron processor 512MB ram Compaq Modem, Sound card, Floppy
[02:47] <E_mE> Tyler: is that a software based modem??
[02:47] <Tyler> I don't think so.
[02:47] <Dr_willis> Egads a sound card?! :)
[02:47] <bobleny> Hey, how come every time I unistall mysql it takes amarok with it!???!???!?????!????!
[02:47] <E_mE> Tyler: do you know what the chip model is?
[02:47] <bobleny> What else is it taking!?
[02:47] <Tyler> uh... no I can look tho.
[02:48] <E_mE> Tyler: most advisable, try to look for the drivers from the Modems processor model
[02:48] <newlinuxguy> underdog, you asked me how much
[02:48] <newlinuxguy> RAM
[02:48] <newlinuxguy> 512 megs
[02:48] <newlinuxguy> pc2100
[02:48] <surgy_> im guessing that the response to the following question is going to be "your in the wrong channel" but ill ask anyways, wolfenstein enemy territory downloads as a .run file what do i do with it?
[02:49] <underdog5004> newlinuxguy, weird...you shouldn't need to use the alt install disc...
[02:49] <underdog5004> surgy_, you're in the wrong channel...
[02:49] <underdog5004> jk
[02:49] <Rob-West> hi newlinuxguy
[02:49] <underdog5004> surgy_, try double-clicking it
[02:49] <newlinuxguy> im back
[02:49] <newlinuxguy> i decided to call and stay home
[02:49] <newlinuxguy> I'm determined to get running!
[02:50] <surgy_> underdog5004: i did it opens kate and shows a couple hundred pages of C++ code
[02:50] <Tyler> Dang modem doesn't say
[02:50] <underdog5004> surgy_, you may need to compile it...
[02:50] <underdog5004> !make
[02:50] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[02:50] <Tyler> All i can get is a moddle
[02:50] <newlinuxguy> hey guys
[02:50] <E_mE> Tyler: there should be a number on the chip
[02:50] <underdog5004> Tyler, does it have more than 3 chips on it?
[02:51] <Tyler> Uh...
[02:51] <newlinuxguy> do you guys just have 3 partitions?  1st part as primary and root, 2nd part as logical and swap, and 3rd part as /home and logical?
[02:51] <underdog5004> maybe a big one too?
[02:51] <underdog5004> newlinuxguy, that's my setup
[02:51] <Rob-West> newlinuxguy u know that link u showed me
[02:51] <underdog5004> except my swap is physical
[02:51] <link__> E_mE: alright, that worked fine
[02:51] <Rob-West> is that ur stuff
[02:51] <Tyler> No just too small chips
[02:51] <Tyler> 8two
[02:52] <Tyler> *two
[02:52] <surgy_> man i hate compiling..........
[02:52] <newlinuxguy> does it matter whether you make things logical/physical?
[02:52] <E_mE> link__: wicked! i won't complicated you with any other stuff you like mysql but at least you can do some PHP now ;)
[02:52] <surgy_> it never works
[02:52] <newlinuxguy> could that be why im lockign up?
[02:52] <E_mE> surgy_: i love compiling... seeing the magic happen :D
[02:52] <surgy_> and plus a .run needs to be compiled might just be my little noob brain working here but that sounds strange
[02:52] <E_mE> Tyler: is it a card this modem?
[02:52] <E_mE> Tyler: PCI card or so
[02:53] <underdog5004> newlinuxguy, I doubt it...
[02:53] <link__> E_mElol. sweet... although mysql is the next logical step for LAMP
[02:53] <newlinuxguy> i do have an ati tv card
[02:53] <underdog5004> newlinuxguy, how new is your RAM?
[02:53] <bobleny> Hey, why is it that when I unistall mysql with adept manager, it unistalls amarok???
[02:53] <Tyler> The modem on my laptop is but the one with linux is on COM3
[02:53] <underdog5004> might be a hardware problem...
[02:53] <newlinuxguy> just bought it
[02:53] <newlinuxguy> from a forum tho
[02:53] <newlinuxguy> I have checked the ram
[02:53] <link__> E_mE: is mysql really that insane?
[02:53] <underdog5004> you used memtest86+?
[02:53] <newlinuxguy> if that's the deal in the install cd
[02:53] <newlinuxguy> ya
[02:54] <E_mE> link__: no its not insane, little annoying at times... but if you know SQL then you should be fine..
[02:54] <Tyler> It's at bootup.
[02:54] <underdog5004> I don't know if it is or not...
[02:54] <Tyler> Linux takes 30 minutes to boot up
[02:54] <Tyler> so ):
[02:54] <Rob-West> newlinuxguy can i PM u
[02:54] <newlinuxguy> yeah feel free rob
[02:54] <link__> E_mE: guess im not fine then.  lol
[02:54] <newlinuxguy> the comm is open
[02:54] <E_mE> link__: SQL aint hard might i add... do you know relational database theroy?
[02:55] <bobleny> ...
[02:55] <E_mE> Tyler: 30 fecking minutes :/
[02:55] <link__> E_mE: not at all...  what's relational database theory?
[02:55] <Dr_willis> Egads - what kind of chip ya got in that machine? a Dorito?
[02:55] <Tyler> yeah
[02:55] <Tyler> 30 mins man
[02:55] <E_mE> link__: hold on...
[02:55] <Tyler> It goes to DOS
[02:55] <Tyler> On bootup
[02:56] <link__> E_mE: okay
[02:56] <Tyler> It'll just set there for 20 mins
[02:56] <E_mE> link__: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relational_database
[02:56] <Tyler> Counting Clusters
[02:56] <Tyler> Of my WINDOWS drive!
[02:56] <Rob-West> newlinuxguy check ur PMs
[02:56] <bobleny> Does amarok need any MySQL files to work?
[02:56] <newlinuxguy> you do the same
[02:56] <newlinuxguy> I responded and you asked the same question rob
[02:57] <E_mE> Tyler: you seems to have fair few problems
[02:57] <link__> E_mE: lol... wow... I should have just went there and replied "yes" whilst I figured out what you were talking about
[02:57] <underdog5004> !register | newlinuxguy Rob-West
[02:57] <ubotu> newlinuxguy Rob-West: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[02:57] <Tyler> Yeah I do.
[02:57] <Rob-West> i did register
[02:57] <Tyler> I'm trying to figure out what's causing
[02:57] <Rob-West> newlinuxguy needs to
[02:57] <underdog5004> ok...it's necessary to register to use pm's
[02:57] <underdog5004> ah, ok
[02:57] <E_mE> Tyler: does your windows run perfectly okay?
[02:58] <Tyler> Yeah I have Windows ME  on it
[02:58] <E_mE> hahah Windows ME
[02:58] <Tyler> and it boots up in 10 seocnds
[02:58] <bobleny> !amarok
[02:58] <ubotu> Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.4 for Edgy and packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[02:58] <Tyler> everything works perfect
[02:58] <E_mE> Tyler: sorry i could be sick on WinME
[02:58] <newlinuxguy> this is a temp nick
[02:58] <underdog5004> lol, Windows: Mistake Edition
[02:58] <Tyler> Yeah I know it sucks (My reason to get linux)
[02:58] <E_mE> Tyler: get your self a copy of Win2k at least
[02:58] <newlinuxguy> I guess I should use my typical handle
[02:58] <underdog5004> as if they all weren't...
[02:58] <newlinuxguy> lol
[02:59] <Tyler> I'm on a Windows 98SE comp right now
[02:59] <E_mE> Tyler:  you tried any other distros of linux?
[02:59] <Tyler> I'm going to
[02:59] <Rob-West> just register it newlinuxguy
[02:59] <newlinuxguy> okay
[02:59] <Tyler> Probelly Freespire ad Knoppix
[02:59] <Tyler> *and
[02:59] <bobleny> Hey, why is it that when I unistall mysql with adept manager, it unistalls amarok???
[02:59] <Tyler> Maybe ubuntu 6.10
[03:00] <underdog5004> bobleny, if nobody responds, that means that nobody knows
[03:00] <bobleny> Not always...
[03:00] <E_mE> Tyler: i advise, if you still have problems... id consider ur hardware somewhat
[03:00] <Tyler> old?
[03:00] <newlinuxguy> !register
[03:00] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[03:00] <newlinuxguy> lol
[03:00] <newlinuxguy> okay
[03:00] <Rob-West> i just used /ns register pass email
[03:00] <Tyler> Yeah I know it's old XD
[03:00] <Tyler> From 2000
[03:01] <E_mE> Tyler: old shouldn't be a problem... should be more compatible then.. but maybe cheap or incompatible
[03:01] <Tyler> I should probelly get a new modem
[03:01] <matthew0507> anyone know how to control cpu fan speed in kubuntu? my cpu fan is spiriling at max rev
[03:02] <Tyler> I wonder if a PCI card modem'll work better with linux?
[03:02] <E_mE> Tyler: why you still using a modem ;)
[03:03] <Tyler> Because I have dialup lmao
[03:03] <Tyler> That's why lol
[03:04] <Tyler> I need to get DSL yeah...
[03:04] <E_mE> Tyler: where u from?
[03:04] <snowrichard> hi
[03:04] <Tyler> Oklahoma (US)
[03:04] <snowrichard> you getting ice up there yet?
[03:04] <E_mE> Tyler: i'm sure DSL in USA must be mega cheap now
[03:04] <snowrichard> I'm in east texas
[03:05] <Tyler> Were having a huge now storm
[03:05] <newlinuxguy> Missouri (US)
[03:05] <Tyler> *snow
[03:05] <newlinuxguy> yep E
[03:05] <newlinuxguy> 30/month
[03:05] <newlinuxguy> sometimes cheaper
[03:05] <Tyler> $15 a  month
[03:05] <newlinuxguy> i have cable
[03:05] <E_mE> in the UK we can get DSL for 14,99/mth
[03:05] <snowrichard> its not available where I live, I'm using a wireless provider
[03:05] <newlinuxguy> that's about 30
[03:05] <E_mE> but thats generally capped to 5gig or something
[03:05] <newlinuxguy> in usd i think
[03:06] <Tyler> Yeah
[03:06] <newlinuxguy> 5 gig!
[03:06] <newlinuxguy> lol
[03:06] <newlinuxguy> wow
[03:06] <Tyler> 5 gig ain't much.
[03:06] <newlinuxguy> i might be thinking of something
[03:06] <newlinuxguy> else
[03:06] <E_mE> i pay 24,99 month unlimited on mid range performance
[03:06] <Tyler> I have 5 gig of traffic a month on dialup
[03:06] <newlinuxguy> we are typically capped at 1.5M a month d/l
[03:06] <newlinuxguy> and about 368k u/l
[03:06] <bxnp> oke underdog5004 i found the solution
[03:06] <Tyler> 1.6 MB!?
[03:06] <newlinuxguy> ahh
[03:06] <underdog5004> bxnp, what's the issue?
[03:06] <E_mE> ive got 8Mbit connection
[03:06] <newlinuxguy> you are saying per month
[03:06] <underdog5004> 4.3Mb here
[03:07] <underdog5004> and somewhere around 400Kb up
[03:07] <Minataku> newlinuxguy... I like that name, lol
[03:07] <Tyler> I've got a 0.3MB con lol
[03:07] <E_mE> hehe
[03:07] <bam_> hi...I was wondering how I could turn off CPU frequency scaling on my desktop??
[03:07] <E_mE> funny thing is i live out in the middle of the country side and still get 8Mb
[03:07] <E_mE> DSL is good in UK now... use to be crap
[03:08] <bxnp> oke in kubuntu dapper, in the systemsettings menu services i saw that udev was not started in rc2.d
[03:08] <underdog5004> wish cable wasn't so expensive...I pay somewhere around 60 bucks a month for 4.3Mb...
[03:08] <underdog5004> bleagh
[03:08] <underdog5004> ah, that makes sense.
[03:08] <E_mE> :o $60
[03:08] <snowrichard> can't get cable here either
[03:08] <E_mE> thats a rip off
[03:08] <snowrichard> a few hundred feet outside city limit
[03:08] <bxnp> so i marked it, however udev is exacly started,  and when you mark it in the system settings it wont check if udev is already running or not
[03:08] <E_mE> most ISPs in the UK don't offer 4Mb... they just offer 8Mb as a standard
[03:09] <bxnp> this causes the strange behaviour
[03:09] <E_mE> but then it depends on how far from the exchange you live
[03:09] <bxnp> you can recreate if you want by checking udev in rc2.d in the systemsettings menu
[03:09] <newlinuxguy> i'd think the uk would have more fiber optics implemented
[03:09] <newlinuxguy> being so small
[03:09] <K-Ryan> Hey guys
[03:10] <E_mE> perhapse...
[03:10] <newlinuxguy> relatively speaking of course
[03:10] <E_mE> but BT owns all the exchanges and telephone lines in the UK
[03:10] <newlinuxguy> it seems that europe/asia are always ahead of us when it comes to publically available tech
[03:10] <Tyler> Fiber Optic sounds awesome :D
[03:10] <E_mE> and ISPs and other telephone companies rent them off BT
[03:10] <bxnp> the strange thing is that when you change someting in the systemsettigs menu there is no check if it is not started by a different rc
[03:10] <newlinuxguy> ahh
[03:11] <snowrichard> ATT will soon own all exchanges in the us again the way their headed :)
[03:11] <newlinuxguy> kind of like the new east india tea company
[03:11] <bxnp> so that its possible to have multiple instances of the same is running
[03:11] <newlinuxguy> hehe
[03:11] <Tyler> Somebody should make a Distro made for just dialup. I'd buy it :D
[03:11] <E_mE> newlinuxguy: its funny, because 7 years ago, the US was well ahead of us in the UK on interent etc...
[03:11] <newlinuxguy> that's funny isnt it snow
[03:11] <phiqtion> i just installed kubuntu-desktop, when logging in it says something about a file not being found. Before i installed kubuntu, i selected GDM as default. Did i did something wrong? any help will be highly appreciated
[03:11] <bxnp> do you now what i mean underdog5004
[03:11] <E_mE> Tyler: make it your self ;)
[03:12] <newlinuxguy> !commands
[03:12] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[03:12] <Tyler> If I made an operating system it'd be a simple thing.... ERROR!!!!!
[03:12] <newlinuxguy> great news guys!
[03:12] <newlinuxguy> I'm not locked up ... yet
[03:12] <Tyler> You had an error?
[03:12] <Tyler> Oh... lol
[03:12] <newlinuxguy> DONT JINX ME TY!
[03:12] <newlinuxguy> :)
[03:12] <newlinuxguy> :D
[03:12] <Tyler> lol
[03:13] <bxnp> anyway need to reboot to test my theory underdog5004
[03:13] <newlinuxguy> I have been trying Ubuntu cd's all day
[03:13] <Tyler> Dapper Drake is a horrible Distro lol
[03:13] <newlinuxguy> now im trying Kubuntu
[03:13] <E_mE> Tyler: i hope you don;t listen to some cheap metal music while talking of such things
[03:13] <E_mE> kubuntu is amazng :D
[03:13] <Tyler> Nope
[03:13] <K-Ryan> newlinuxguy having trouble with what part of installing?
[03:13] <Tyler> lmao
[03:13] <coreymon77> guys
[03:13] <Tyler> It looks good
[03:13] <coreymon77> why is the sun jre version on apt so outdated?
[03:13] <Tyler> And the included programs work good
[03:14] <newlinuxguy> k-ryan... I was using the gui ubuntu install and got random errors on it... good md5 and good cd check
[03:14] <newlinuxguy> then I went witht he minmum cd install
[03:14] <Tyler> But downloaded programs, Open with Kate
[03:14] <newlinuxguy> and d/l from network
[03:14] <K-Ryan> newlinuxguy where did you get the errors?
[03:14] <newlinuxguy> typically hung at the section of "installing software"
[03:14] <Tyler> Floppy Drive don't evnen mount
[03:14] <newlinuxguy> the base system did fine
[03:14] <phiqtion> i just installed kubuntu-desktop, when logging in it says something about a file not being found. Before i installed kubuntu, i selected GDM as default. Did i did something wrong? any help will be highly appreciated
[03:14] <newlinuxguy> in face I got a console to load and do great
[03:14] <Tyler> All the other stuff is even more messed up
[03:14] <K-Ryan> Hrmm, I know had had trouble with partitioning
[03:15] <Tyler> Yeah I had trouble with partioning
[03:15] <coreymon77> the latest version on the repos is update 8
[03:15] <Tyler> Too me an hour to get it partioned without an error
[03:15] <coreymon77> but the real latest version is update 10
[03:15] <snowrichard> I just installed edgy from DVD and it worked fine.
[03:15] <newlinuxguy> the d/l of the alt-text install for kubuntu vs ubuntu is doing great
[03:15] <K-Ryan> Tyler mine was upfront about the errors =)
[03:15] <Tyler> lol
[03:15] <K-Ryan> Had to format the drive though, couldnt just resize it
[03:15] <newlinuxguy> is the new version 7.04 worth upgrading to or is it beta?
[03:15] <K-Ryan> feisty?
[03:15] <newlinuxguy> I saw a link saying it was "cd 2"
[03:16] <Tyler> Me too
[03:16] <newlinuxguy> yeah
[03:16] <K-Ryan> its not stable yet
[03:16] <newlinuxguy> feisty
[03:16] <newlinuxguy> okay
[03:16] <Tyler> I had to go into windows and make a partion
[03:16] <K-Ryan> yeah "Feisty Fawn"
[03:16] <Tyler> and partion 100% of that partion
[03:16] <Tyler> to make it work
[03:16] <K-Ryan> Tyler same here
[03:16] <coreymon77> why is the java version on the apt repos so outdated?
[03:16] <K-Ryan> Just kind of formatted it in pieces with kubuntu
[03:16] <Tyler> You having trouble like it talomg fprever to boot up?
[03:16] <Tyler> *Forever
[03:17] <K-Ryan> It takes me a little
[03:17] <matt0507> ...
[03:17] <K-Ryan> a minute or two because i have some other unresolved issues
[03:17] <Tyler> 30 mins for me man
[03:17] <K-Ryan> Youch!
[03:17] <Tyler> It like scans every cluster in my harddrive
[03:17] <matt0507> iso
[03:17] <K-Ryan> Oh, it does that every 30 boots
[03:17] <Eruantalon> K-Ryan: I read somewhere that Feisty will (in kubntu) be able to upgrade to next release of kubuntu without me manually changing any sources.list files. Is this true? And will it work in transition from edgy to feisty or will it be feisty to fesity+1?
[03:17] <matt0507> !iso
[03:17] <Tyler> I need to see if I can get into settings and crap and take that out
[03:17] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[03:18] <K-Ryan> Eruantalon you will probably have to change the sources list, that's just how upgrading works.
[03:18] <bam_> hi...I was wondering how I could turn off CPU frequency scaling on my desktop??
[03:18] <K-Ryan> Also it should work edgy to feisty, i did dapper to edgy and it worked
[03:18] <Tyler>  I think I'll try making my own distor
[03:18] <Tyler> *distro
[03:18] <K-Ryan> feisty to feisty+1 I'm not sure what you speak of
[03:18] <specialbuddy1> what's a good program for getting better battery life?
[03:19] <matthew1429> Alright
[03:19] <K-Ryan> specialbuddy1 programs don't improve battery
[03:19] <matthew1429> that's my real nick
[03:19] <Eruantalon> K-Ryan: Well I read somewhere that adept was being updated so that i nice balloon would pop up to tell there was i new release and that it would change sources.list automatically if i wanted it to
[03:19] <K-Ryan> Better management does, which can be done from system settings>laptop
[03:19] <K-Ryan> Think so anyway
[03:19] <specialbuddy1> K-Ryan well don't I have to download that?
[03:19] <K-Ryan> Eruantalon I could see that happening, but changing the source.list is easy from Adept_manager
[03:20] <K-Ryan> specialbuddy1 its a system thing, so you dont
[03:20] <Eruantalon> Well it should be automatic...
[03:20] <specialbuddy1> I don't see anything that says laptop
[03:20] <K-Ryan> Eruantalon but if you wanted to stay with edgy not feisty
[03:20] <K-Ryan> You would be downloading packages for a distro you don't have
[03:20] <Tyler> How do you uninstall it?
[03:20] <Tyler> I need to reattempt to install it
[03:20] <K-Ryan> Like downloading itunes for mac but you run winblows
[03:20] <Tyler> lok
[03:21] <specialbuddy1> K-Ryan I don't see Laptop in system-settings
[03:21] <K-Ryan> hrmm, maybe it was somewhere else ill keep looking
[03:21] <Tyler> Go to System Settings / Laptop & Power
[03:22] <Tyler> There's all kinds of system settings and stuff there
[03:23] <K-Ryan> Hrmm, maybe I saw it in Dapper
[03:23] <K-Ryan> Not sure but I don't see it
[03:23] <Tyler> Yeah it's in Dapper
[03:23] <Tyler> (I'm in Dapper)
[03:23] <specialbuddy1> what's in Dapper
[03:23] <K-Ryan> the laptop and power thing
[03:23] <Tyler> Yea
[03:23] <tanlaan> !unrar
[03:23] <ubotu> unrar is rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression  There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[03:23] <Tyler> !dialup
[03:23] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto
[03:24] <Tyler> !modem
[03:24] <Tyler> !powersettings
[03:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about powersettings - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:24] <specialbuddy1> it seems like they always get rid of something good with each upgrade
[03:24] <K-Ryan> well then again im running desktop
[03:24] <Tyler> Prolly so.
[03:25] <K-Ryan> They might of put it in monitor & display in edgy
[03:25] <K-Ryan> or limited it to systems that are actually laptops
[03:25] <Tyler> (Anyone know how to uninstall it)
[03:25] <Tyler> ?
[03:25] <K-Ryan> uninstall what?
[03:25] <Tyler> Kubuntu
[03:25] <K-Ryan> !uninstall
[03:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about uninstall - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:25] <K-Ryan> hrmm
[03:25] <K-Ryan> !kubuntu
[03:25] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[03:26] <K-Ryan> hold on
[03:26] <Tyler> Should I just delete everything on the partion
[03:26] <Tyler> Or boot the live CD?
[03:26] <K-Ryan> Tyler, DO NOT DELETE THE PARTITION
[03:26] <K-Ryan> Screwed my system up by doing that
[03:27] <K-Ryan> I'm looking for a guide for you
[03:27] <matthew1429> I think I have issues with my cd rom
[03:27] <matthew1429> it got to 85% this time
[03:27] <matthew1429> in the select and install software section
[03:27] <matthew1429> atleast it didnt hang
[03:27] <matthew1429> sigh
[03:27] <matthew1429> I'm about to throw in the towel
[03:28] <balarka> hi
[03:28] <balarka> good evening
[03:28] <specialbuddy1> I found APM(advanced power management) and I got NO APM support in kernel
[03:28] <balarka> anyone help me in KDevelop
[03:28] <balarka> please!!!!!!!!!!
[03:28] <Tyler> !KDevelop
[03:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about KDevelop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:29] <balarka> yes
[03:29] <Tyler> This bot isn't smart is it?
[03:29] <Tyler> lol
[03:29] <Tyler> !ask KDDEvelop
[03:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ask KDDEvelop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:29] <balarka> who?
[03:29] <HymnToLife> !kdevelop
[03:29] <ubotu> kdevelop: An IDE for Unix/X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.3.4-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 7894 kB, installed size 24892 kB
[03:29] <balarka> Tyler: who to ask
[03:30] <Tyler> Dunno
[03:30] <Tyler> I'm not a ubuntu expert
[03:30] <Tyler> I'm a Windows guy
[03:30] <balarka> hmmm
[03:30] <balarka> me too
[03:31] <Tyler> I got tired of Windows ME (Mistake Edition)
[03:31] <balarka> oooh
[03:31] <Tyler> So I decided I need to get Linux
[03:31] <balarka> can u tell me channel for KDevelop
[03:31] <balarka> ?
[03:31] <balarka> please
[03:31] <Tyler> I dunno
[03:31] <balarka> ok
[03:31] <Tyler> Try #kdevelop ?
[03:31] <balarka> nope
[03:31] <balarka> ok
[03:31] <balarka> will try
[03:34] <Thehound666> omg! I just installed real Java and ran a hungry Java app on Linux that rapes a more powerful Windows computer. It hardly dented my resources
[03:34] <Thehound666> why is Java so much more efficient on nix?
[03:34] <specialbuddy1> !kpowersave
[03:34] <ubotu> kpowersave: frontend to powersave for setting user specific policies. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.2-2ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 3216 kB, installed size 4984 kB
[03:34] <Tyler> Bah it's quiet...
[03:34] <specialbuddy1> that's what I wanted
[03:35] <Tyler> Ah
[03:35] <Tyler> Cool
[03:35] <Tyler> You know even tho there's like 100 people here
[03:35] <Tyler> It's quiet...
[03:36] <Thehound666> the program in question under Windows to have a good time I have to set its priority to below normal due to CPU usage
[03:36] <Thehound666> not on Kubuntu
[03:36] <Thehound666> weird
[03:36] <K-Ryan> I just ordered 30 Kubuntu CD's
[03:36] <K-Ryan> Hope it's enough
[03:36] <Thehound666> 30 O.O
[03:37] <K-Ryan> Not just for me -.-
[03:37] <K-Ryan> Spreading Linux joy
[03:37] <Eruantalon> K-Ryan: Is it still only dapper?
[03:37] <K-Ryan> The next Live CD distribution will be the one after Feisty I think I was told
[03:37] <Thehound666> just link the torrents wherever you post and find it appropriate
[03:37] <Thehound666> that should spread it faster than anything
[03:38] <K-Ryan> Thehound666 but the everyday person doesn't check forums often
[03:38] <K-Ryan> Nor do most people think Linux is easy
[03:38] <Eruantalon> People tend to get impressed by the shipit cd's
[03:38] <Thehound666> meh it's not for the first week or 2
[03:38] <Thehound666> but that week or 2 is worth it
[03:38] <K-Ryan> Eruantalon that too
[03:39] <K-Ryan> Thehound666 it's not easy because you don't know what you are doing.
[03:39] <Kr4t05> Someone should edit the boxart for K/Ubuntu 6.06 so people can print it and use it with Edgy and later.
[03:39] <Thehound666> to get what you want, you do need to compile alot
[03:40] <Thehound666> I outgrew doing just repositories after a week
[03:40] <K-Ryan> Thehound666 not really
[03:40] <bobleny> Hey, why is it that when I unistall mysql with adept manager, it unistalls amarok???
[03:40] <K-Ryan> The default install comes with a lot
[03:40] <Thehound666> well the 1 bug I found in Edgy seems fixed after those series of updates recently
[03:41] <Thehound666> let's see Bill fix it that fast
[03:41] <K-Ryan> Then most anything else you need unless it is an oddball thing, can be obtained from the repos
[03:42] <Eruantalon> bobleny: As far as i now amarok uses mysql to store its data
[03:42] <Eruantalon> though it can also sqlite
[03:42] <bobleny> ?! really !?
[03:42] <Eruantalon> yep
[03:43] <simen> heyy guys i have a problem with torrents..
[03:43] <specialbuddy1> is there a way to make my cpu performance go to 50% while I'm using the battery on my laptop
[03:43] <coreymon77> guys
[03:43] <coreymon77> i cant get the newest version of java to install properlyu
[03:43] <coreymon77> well atleast
[03:43] <coreymon77> on the system
[03:43] <Eruantalon> !java
[03:43] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[03:43] <simen> weell it says on the speedometer that my download speed is 3600kb/s but i only download at about 15 kb/s :S:S:S
[03:44] <simen> anyone know why ?
[03:44] <coreymon77> not that
[03:44] <Thehound666> oh and very smart guys. How Ubuntu got around the difficulty of Java, Having the Java package pull the libraries out of Java for a self install is genius, since I know Java is not in repositories anymore for legal reasons
[03:44] <coreymon77> the apt java is out dated
[03:44] <Morbo> simen- Depends on where you're downloading from
[03:44] <Eruantalon> simen: That is probably the collective speed of all people downloading...
[03:44] <simen> piratebay
[03:44] <coreymon77> so installed the new java manually
[03:44] <coreymon77> it works in firefox
[03:44] <simen> im the only one who uses our broadband
[03:45] <coreymon77> but for the system it still uses the apt one
[03:45] <Eruantalon> simen: What is your connection
[03:45] <Thehound666> oh you just get the .bin Java from sun, install fakeroot and Java Package then 1 line
[03:45] <simen> what do u mean ? :S:P
[03:45] <Skrot-> simen: The download speed you get is depending on the speed of the people who are seeding (sharing) the file.
[03:45] <Thehound666> sudo fakeroot -jpkg filename
[03:45] <Thehound666> makes a .deb for you
[03:45] <coreymon77> so i went to the /usr/bin directory
[03:45] <Thehound666> :)
[03:45] <simen> i dont think im seeding
[03:45] <coreymon77> and one by one
[03:46] <bobleny> Eruantalon, how can amarok use mysql with out apache?
[03:46] <coreymon77> started updating the symbolic links in the directory
[03:46] <Skrot-> simen: Nei, du leecher. Problemet er at a) De som deler fila har rva utlinje b) Det er veldig f som deler fila. Sorry about the norwegian :)
[03:46] <coreymon77> but
[03:46] <Morbo> simen- What do you mean by "speedometer"?
[03:46] <Eruantalon> Skrot-: Tal da engelsk
[03:46] <simen> on the internet
[03:46] <coreymon77> they are 3 files that i couldnt find in the /usr/bin directory
[03:46] <simen> skrot msn ?
[03:47] <Thehound666> I tried a huge Java app, so I know that method works perfectly
[03:47] <Thehound666> ;)
[03:47] <Skrot-> simen: Two secs.
[03:47] <coreymon77> that were in the /usr/java/jre1.5.0_10/bin direcotry
[03:47] <Eruantalon> bobleny: Mysql is used for a lot of things. One of which is apache
[03:47] <coreymon77> the files are
[03:47] <Morbo> simen- What speedometer?
[03:47] <Maneit> Morbo: Probably itavisen.no
[03:47] <simen> on the internet
[03:47] <coreymon77> kinit, klist and ktab
[03:47] <simen> ja
[03:47] <simen> yes *
[03:47] <coreymon77> so i was wondering
[03:47] <Eruantalon> coreymon77: Theres is a command to choose the default java
[03:48] <bobleny> But I dont have apache on my computer....
[03:48] <simen> maneit : i cant answer on pvt :S
[03:48] <coreymon77> do i need to make a symbolic link to those somewhere?
[03:48] <nate_> ive downloaded http://www.xfce.org/ graphic installer, but how to i actualy install it?
[03:48] <Maneit> simen: The thing is, you can not expect to download at the full speed of your internet connection from places like the pirate bay
[03:48] <simen> hmm
[03:48] <simen> ok
[03:48] <Maneit> simen: Does it say how many seeders and leechers there are?
[03:48] <coreymon77> do i need to make symbolic links to the files kinit, klist and ktab anywhere?
[03:48] <Thehound666> fakeroot make*
[03:48] <Eruantalon> bobleny: Mysql doesn't have to have anything to do with apache
[03:49] <simen> is it better to use limewire ?
[03:49] <Thehound666> I'm a huge one for mistyping
[03:49] <Thehound666> my main Linux issue
[03:49] <Thehound666> :P
[03:49] <coreymon77> and for limewire
[03:49] <coreymon77> it only comes as an rpm
[03:49] <simen> maneit : is it better to use limewire ?
[03:49] <Maneit> simen: No idea. :)
[03:49] <coreymon77> and the LimeWireOther thing doesnt work
[03:49] <coreymon77> so should i use alien to install the rpm?
[03:50] <simen> maneit : why ?
[03:50] <Thehound666> I say use torrents. The best client is for Linux
[03:50] <Thehound666> :)
[03:50] <simen> ok
[03:50] <Thehound666> but no source code for lw?
[03:50] <Maneit> I've never tried limewire :)
[03:50] <simen> well i download a whole lot faster on limewire than on torrent
[03:50] <Thehound666> you serious? I can max my 10 mbit down on 1 torrent
[03:50] <Thehound666> sometimes
[03:51] <Maneit> Thehound666: From public sites?
[03:51] <Thehound666> no
[03:51] <simen> wow
[03:51] <Thehound666> private of course
[03:51] <esc_ape> is swap supposed to be enabled?
[03:51] <Maneit> I used to max my 100mbit from private trackers :>
[03:51] <simen> what private site ?
[03:51] <Morbo> 100mbit?
[03:51] <Thehound666> some can't be named but 1 that can be is Bitmetv
[03:51] <simen> thehound : what private site ?
[03:51] <simen> ok
[03:51] <Maneit> Morbo: yupp
[03:52] <Morbo> Holy <censored word of your choice>
[03:52] <Maneit> Thehound666: Should probably not mention any of them here. Most of them only serve pirated stuff.
[03:52] <Maneit> Morbo: It was good times indeed. But then I moved :(
[03:52] <Morbo> Pity.
[03:52] <Maneit> Yeah. I've only got 13mbit now
[03:52] <Thehound666> actually on public, I maxed on the Ubuntu tracker too
[03:53] <Thehound666> just took a few minutes
[03:53] <coreymon77> how od i uninstall a program that has ben installed through alien
[03:53] <surgy_> how do i change my file associations so that firefox is my defualt browser ( i want to use konq for filesystem only)
[03:53] <Thehound666> we know that one can be mentioned ;)
[03:53] <Maneit> simon: I used to get crappy speed on the pirate bay even though I had 100mbit. So I guess that settles it :)
[03:53] <simen> hmmmmmmmm
[03:54] <simen> fuck
[03:54] <Thehound666> TPB I usually get crap speeds too
[03:54] <Eruantalon> coreymon77: you wanted to use your newly installed java right. Try this command sudo update-alternatives --config java
[03:54] <simen> what is the best torrent website ?
[03:54] <Thehound666> Don't feel bad
[03:54] <coreymon77> oh
[03:54] <coreymon77> i fixed that
[03:54] <Maneit> simen: This is not the place to ask about that. And most of them are invite-only
[03:54] <Jucato> coreymon77: have you tried apt-0get or dpkg -r ?
[03:54] <Jucato> surgy_: System Settings -> KDE Components -> Web Browser?
[03:54] <simen> ok :S
[03:55] <Thehound666> well the best are secret ones you learn from joining communities.
[03:55] <Eruantalon> coreymon77: Ok. I can't really keep up with this channel...
[03:55] <simen> then i have another problem ( of course)
[03:55] <simen> hehe
[03:55] <frenris> how do I unload a passworded .rar with ark?
[03:55] <HymnToLife> frenris, you don't
[03:55] <Jucato> frenris: doesn't it ask you for the password?
[03:55] <Thehound666> all I can say is just join ones you find open on Google
[03:55] <Thehound666> and go from there
[03:55] <frenris> nope just throws an error
[03:55] <HymnToLife> passworder RARs can only be extracter from the command line
[03:55] <Jucato> frenris: oh, you need to install "unrar" from multiverse
[03:55] <surgy_> jucato: where is this system settings?
[03:55] <HymnToLife> passworded*
[03:55] <Eruantalon> frenris: You tried sudo apt-get intall unrar
[03:55] <simen> i wanted kxdocker so i typed apt-get install kxdocker in terminal and got it, but i cant open it :;S
[03:55] <Jucato> surgy_: K Menu -> System Settings
[03:55] <coreymon77> oh well
[03:55] <coreymon77> guys
[03:56] <surgy_> jucato: duh thnx man
[03:56] <coreymon77> when i tried to use the limewire other thing
[03:56] <simen> i wanted kxdocker so i typed apt-get install kxdocker in terminal and got it, but i cant open it :;S
[03:56] <esc_ape> can someone comment one this image that shows my partitions? Is swap supposed to be disabled? http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/8951/snapshot17ut.jpg
[03:56] <Jucato> simen: what can't you open?
[03:56] <simen> kxdocker
[03:56] <coreymon77> for limewire
[03:56] <Thehound666> and sorry about that Maneit from before. I wasn't even thinking of TV shows as pirated stuff :(
[03:56] <coreymon77> i tried to use it through the LimeWireOther method
[03:57] <Jucato> simen: but you were able to install it? have you tried Alt+F2, then typing "kxdocker"?
[03:57] <surgy_> jucato: i dont see "kde components" though
[03:57] <coreymon77> although whenever i run the runLime.sh file
[03:57] <coreymon77> i always get this error
[03:57] <Jucato> surgy_: er.. I might have it in the wrong place... do you have something like Default Applications in there?
[03:57] <frenris> sudo apt-get install unrar threw an error, something about cinelerra which I tried to install earlier :S
[03:57] <Maneit> Thehound666: hehe
[03:57] <coreymon77> ./runLime.sh: 44: Syntax error: "(" unexpected (expecting "}")
[03:57] <coreymon77> what is that about?
[03:57] <Jucato> surgy_: if you can't fine it, just try use the search box at the top
[03:57] <Jucato> frenris: have you enabled "multiverse" repository?
[03:57] <surgy_> jucato: no there was a different program for file associations i just forgot what it was
[03:58] <Jucato> surgy_: no that's different. you need to look for the Default Applications -> Web Browser
[03:58] <simen> jucato : i just tried now and it says : loading application and then it just disappears :S
[03:58] <surgy_> jucato: yea found it thnx again
[03:58] <HymnToLife> coreymon77, syntax error in the shell script
[03:59] <Jucato> simen: try running it from Konsole, you might get more descriptive error messages
[04:00] <simen> jucato : im not the best linux user.. just type as root in terminal apt-get install kxdocker and try and see if it works with u
[04:00] <Jucato> simen: I don't have kxdocker installed... and you don't need to launch it as root
[04:00] <coreymon77> HymnToLife: and what do i do about that?
[04:01] <simen> just install it :P its fast ! so u can see whats wrong cuz i dont know what to do at all
[04:01] <HymnToLife> coreymon77, correct it yourself I guess, and blame stupid developpers
[04:01] <simen> jucato :just install it :P its fast ! so u can see whats wrong cuz i dont know what to do at all
[04:01] <HymnToLife> or quit using p2p and buy your CDs
[04:01] <maziah> hi
[04:01] <Maneit> Seems kxdocker in kubuntu edgy is broken
[04:01] <coreymon77> but what is the syntax error
[04:01] <maziah> is there a way to increase the amount of threads used to download packages with apt-get?
[04:02] <coreymon77> what is a syntax error for that matter
[04:02] <simen> maneit :hm :S i've seen screenshots with people usin it
[04:03] <coreymon77> HymnToLife: what is a syntax error and how do i fix it
[04:04] <Maneit> simen: That doesn't mean it's not broken now :)
[04:04] <simen> off
[04:04] <simen> hehe
[04:04] <simen> im gonna go to bed now
[04:04] <simen> blah !
[04:04] <simen> :P
[04:04] <HymnToLife> coreymon77, you edit the script
[04:04] <simen> thnx for the help anyways guys :D
[04:04] <simen> <4
[04:04] <coreymon77> where
[04:04] <coreymon77> i dont knwo what the error is
[04:05] <HymnToLife> [03:57]  <coreymon77> ./runLime.sh: 44: Syntax error: "(" unexpected (expecting "}") <= means there was a "(" where there sould have been a "}"
[04:05] <HymnToLife> on line 44
[04:06] <Hail_Spacecake> I'm trying to install kubuntu on a hard drive with a windows partition already on it that I want to keep
[04:06] <coreymon77> so i change the "(" in   potential_java_dirs=(`ls -d1 "$JAVADIR"/j* | sort | to a "}"?
[04:06] <Hail_Spacecake> I also want to have a FAT32 partition for data that I can share between the 2 OSs
[04:06] <Hail_Spacecake> will there be a problem if
[04:07] <Hail_Spacecake> I put the main OS ext3 partition and the swap partition
[04:07] <intelikey> Hail_Spacecake shouldn't be.
[04:07] <Hail_Spacecake> in an extended partition?
[04:07] <Hail_Spacecake> will it still boot okay?
[04:07] <intelikey> yep
[04:07] <Hail_Spacecake> cool
[04:07] <intelikey> Hail_Spacecake but may i sujest that you might want a seperate $HOME partition
[04:08] <Hail_Spacecake> well, once I actually create the partition
[04:08] <Hail_Spacecake> (s)
[04:09] <Hail_Spacecake> I'm going to move some large files off the windows partition
[04:09] <Hail_Spacecake> and onto the FAT32 one
[04:09] <Hail_Spacecake> and then resize the FAT32 partition at the expense of the windows one
[04:09] <maziah> is it possible to modify how many connections apt uses to a source ?
[04:09] <coreymon77> HymnToLife: now ita telling me this
[04:09] <coreymon77> ./runLime.sh: 45: Syntax error: Bad substitution
[04:09] <coreymon77> HymnToLife: how do i fix that
[04:09] <Hail_Spacecake> until I do that, I'm somewhat short on space
[04:10] <Hail_Spacecake> so I don't want to create too many partitions
[04:10] <Hail_Spacecake> and deal with their overhead at this point
[04:10] <coreymon77> HymnToLife: what does it mean by bad substitution
[04:10] <intelikey> Hail_Spacecake about how much allocated for / ?
[04:10] <HymnToLife> !frostwire coreymon77
[04:10] <HymnToLife> use that instead
[04:10] <coreymon77> i tried frostwire
[04:10] <HymnToLife> !frostwire
[04:10] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[04:10] <HymnToLife> and ?
[04:10] <Hail_Spacecake> intelikey: maybe 8 gigs
[04:10] <intelikey> k
[04:10] <coreymon77> i found that limewire was faster
[04:11] <maziah> limewire pro for linux
[04:11] <specialbuddy1> how do you change cpu clock speed so that it won't run as fast when I'm using the battery
[04:11] <coreymon77> maziah: exactly
[04:11] <Eruantalon> specialbuddy1: What cpu do u have?
[04:11] <intelikey> Hail_Spacecake so space is a consideration there.    btw / requires about 3g unless /var and/or /usr are seperate from it...
[04:11] <coreymon77> so
[04:12] <coreymon77> what does it mean by bad substitution
[04:12] <specialbuddy1> T7200
[04:12] <coreymon77> this is the line
[04:12] <Hail_Spacecake> the whole drive is 60 GB
[04:12] <coreymon77>   for D in "${potential_java_dirs[@] }"; do
[04:12] <Hail_Spacecake> windows is right now 21 GB
[04:12] <intelikey> [ 8 -gt 3 ]  && should work.
[04:12] <Hail_Spacecake> the FAT32 will be 20 GB
[04:12] <Hail_Spacecake> and the extended partition with / and swap will be the rest
[04:12] <specialbuddy1> Eruantalon t7200 Intel Core duo 2
[04:12] <Hail_Spacecake> which is ~10 GB
[04:13] <Hail_Spacecake> swap takes up 2048 MB
[04:13] <Hail_Spacecake> so ~8GB for /
[04:13] <intelikey> laptop ?
[04:13] <Hail_Spacecake> yup
[04:13] <Eruantalon> ah.ok I just wanted to make sure it would support it.
[04:13] <intelikey> so that's why so much swap
[04:13] <intelikey> ok
[04:13] <Hail_Spacecake> the rule of thumb for swap is 2x the physical RAM, right?
[04:13] <coreymon77> im being told that there is a sytax error (bad substitution) in the runLime.sh file
[04:13] <Hail_Spacecake> I have a gig
[04:13] <coreymon77> the line is   for D in "${potential_java_dirs[@] }"; do
[04:14] <Hail_Spacecake> of RAM
[04:14] <coreymon77> so what does it mean by bad substitution
[04:14] <archangel_> can I use bit torrent instead of ktorrent in kde?  Ktorrent wont work right.
[04:16] <Phlosten> Hail_Spacecake: keep in mind that rule of thumb has been around since we had bugger all ram
[04:16] <HymnToLife> archangel_, certainyl
[04:16] <HymnToLife> just apt-get it
[04:16] <Hail_Spacecake> so I can get by with less?
[04:16] <intelikey> Hail_Spacecake not really.    1x + enough for wiggle room...  so 1.2g should suspend to ram/hybernate i would think    and as far as needing swap for anything else... hehhe i have one box with 96m ram and no swap another with 256m and no swap   yet another with 16m and no room for swap (cli only box)
[04:16] <Phlosten> Hail_Spacecake: i have 512MB ram and 512MB swap
[04:16] <K-Ryan> What do I do with a .rpg?
[04:16] <K-Ryan> *.rpm
[04:17] <Hail_Spacecake> okay
[04:17] <Hail_Spacecake> so I can make / bigger
[04:17] <archangel_> cool, wasnt sure if a gnome program would work right on a kde environment
[04:17] <Hail_Spacecake> that's good to know
[04:17] <intelikey> K-Ryan   rm file.rpm
[04:17] <K-Ryan> that's it?
[04:17] <frenris> no
[04:17] <Phlosten> heh
[04:17] <frenris> it isn't
[04:17] <intelikey> K-Ryan that's how to get rid of it.
[04:17] <K-Ryan> nooooooooo
[04:17] <Phlosten> K-Ryan: rpms arnt for debian based systems
[04:17] <frenris> sudo apt-get get install alien
[04:17] <K-Ryan> I want to open/instal/it
[04:17] <intelikey> then get a .deb and install it.
[04:17] <frenris> rpms are not always available
[04:17] <maziah> is it possible to modify how many connections apt uses to a source ?
[04:18] <Phlosten> K-Ryan: best option = get a .deb to install, last resort, convert it to a .deb with alien
[04:18] <frenris> I mean .debs are not always avail
[04:18] <Phlosten> i look for .deb's first and then go the compile from source
[04:18] <intelikey> K-Ryan see Phlosten ^ for the long answer.   short answer is still   rm file.rpm
[04:19] <intelikey> :)
[04:19] <K-Ryan> i downloaded it so i could get rid of it? o.O
[04:19] <K-Ryan> ill just try the zip that i didnt know about...
[04:20] <intelikey> gzip bzip2 zip 7zip(or what ever the name is)
[04:20] <K-Ryan> I have Ark
[04:20] <intelikey> which is a frontend for those ^
[04:20] <intelikey> and for tar
[04:20] <Phlosten> \o/
[04:21] <intelikey> K-Ryan what is the full file name anyway ?
[04:22] <K-Ryan> errrrr
[04:22] <K-Ryan> limewire
[04:22] <intelikey> !frostwire
[04:22] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[04:22] <intelikey> K-Ryan have you been there ^ ?
[04:22] <K-Ryan> no
[04:22] <K-Ryan> my friend got that but he said it was supposed to cost 20 bucks or something
 frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire. <<<<<
[04:23] <K-Ryan> I know
[04:23] <K-Ryan> I hadn't seen that before
[04:23] <archangel_> dude the gnome version gives me the same error
[04:24] <archangel_> what gives
[04:24] <archangel_> trying to download mandriva and they only give it out by a torrent download
[04:25] <intelikey> you are the one with the error messages...
[04:25] <archangel_> you cant just d/l the iso from their server
[04:25] <archangel_> yeah
[04:25] <intelikey> would you like to share them ?
[04:26] <archangel_> sure, but I have to restart X after I do cause that is the only way to get rid of the message
[04:26] <ForgeAus> how do I change screenmode?
[04:27] <Dr_willis> !fixres
[04:27] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:27] <intelikey> archangel_ repetedly clicking the close button doesn't give an option to kill it ?
[04:27] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  if youy got your drivers set up right you can change them from the KDE control panel Monitors settings area.
[04:27] <ForgeAus> I don't have to FIX res I just need to switch res
[04:27] <archangel_> there is no buttons
[04:27] <ForgeAus> Dr willis, thats the problem monitor settings dies
[04:27] <intelikey> hmmm   xkill installed ?
[04:27] <archangel_> not even a border
[04:28] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  bummer.
[04:28] <intelikey> it kills windows that have not buttons
[04:28] <archangel_> can I send you a screen shot?
[04:28] <intelikey> yeah i guess
[04:28] <ForgeAus> Dr Willis I think my kubuntu LiveCD was slightly corrupt
[04:28] <ForgeAus> either that or my hardwares incompatible on some level
[04:28] <tzbishop> HowTo remove Kaffeine safely from Kubuntu?
[04:28] <intelikey> or should i say you have my permission.  whether or not you can.... i know not yet...
[04:28] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  this is a totally new install?
[04:29] <ForgeAus> no
[04:29] <ForgeAus> but there is an error on a totally new install (or using it thereafter) on boot
[04:29] <ForgeAus> (in something like kde-guidance power manager)
[04:29] <intelikey> archangel_ compress if it's big.  i'm on dialup
[04:29] <archangel_> ok
[04:29] <ForgeAus> also the when you boot from the live cd theres a test option that it fails
[04:29] <HymnToLife> tzbishop, sudo apt-get remove kaffeine
[04:30] <archangel_> dialup still exists?
[04:30] <ForgeAus> so I'm hoping when fiesty gets out of alpha/beta status I might d/l that
[04:30] <HymnToLife> why do you want to remove it though ? if you don't like it, just don't use it
[04:30] <archangel_> :o)
[04:30] <ForgeAus> should fix it
[04:30] <Phlosten> archangel_: apparently so
[04:30] <ForgeAus> the kubuntu I got is usable tho
[04:30] <K-Ryan> sorry, watching viral videos with a friend
[04:30] <K-Ryan> anyway, the frostwire file is a binary
[04:30] <K-Ryan> saving will result in a corrupted file or something
[04:30] <K-Ryan> what do i do?
[04:30] <ForgeAus> anyway is ther a commandline way of switching res?
[04:31] <intelikey> archangel_ if it didn't i wouldn't be here at all.    can't afford a satelite connection.
[04:31] <ForgeAus> wine can do it so I am sure I can somehow
[04:31] <HymnToLife> K-Ryan, why on earth do you want to "save" it ?
[04:31] <ForgeAus> (infact wine did do it)
[04:31] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  you could always edit the xorg.conf file
[04:31] <K-Ryan> What am I supposed to do with it?
[04:31] <archangel_> 255.2 kb intelikey
[04:31] <ForgeAus> Dr willis I don't want it for startup I want it for during running
[04:31] <intelikey> k
[04:31] <HymnToLife> with what ?
[04:31] <ForgeAus> startup screenres is fine!
[04:31] <maziah> someone must know if its possible to increase the amount of conections apt makes to a source when downloading packages
[04:31] <K-Ryan> Frostwire
[04:31] <intelikey> send it
[04:31] <K-Ryan> hold on i'll brb...
[04:31] <ForgeAus> I ran a program that changed it to something small like 640 I need it bigger!
[04:32] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  try alt-ctrl-numpad + and -
[04:32] <archangel_> intelikey: yeah, that is pricey
[04:32] <HymnToLife> K-Ryan, don't you mean the startup script ?
[04:32] <HymnToLife> IIRC, it need to be modifiet to run in Ubuntu
[04:32] <ForgeAus> does it matter if numlock is on?
[04:32] <ForgeAus> (didn't do anything either way)
[04:32] <Dr_willis> it might not - if the xorg.conf isent set right.
[04:32] <ForgeAus> ok how do I set it?
[04:33] <intelikey> man xorg.conf ?
[04:33] <archangel_> did you get the message or am I blocked from that? inteli
[04:33] <Dr_willis> yep - editing the xorg.conf file  is not a thing you learn in 4 min on irc.
[04:33] <ForgeAus> intellikey theres no program to do it?
[04:33] <jarn> I was following a guide on the ubuntu forums to try and install my printer and now the printing system appears to be broken, no matter what driver I load it gives me an error saying "unexpected OPTION" and all the drivers dissapeared off the list except CANON.
[04:34] <ForgeAus> slackware had some menu-based proggy to set all that stuff...
[04:34] <archangel_> lol, I did it in my first week in linux
[04:34] <HymnToLife> !fixres | ForgeAus
[04:34] <ubotu> ForgeAus: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:34] <archangel_> still on heavy meds from it
[04:34] <intelikey> ForgeAus i think kcontrol can manipulate xorg.conf    not sure.
[04:35] <intelikey> archangel_ i got nothing.
[04:35] <archangel_> I guess I have to register
[04:35] <intelikey> is your nick registered without the _ ?
[04:36] <archangel_> not registered at all
[04:36] <archangel_> should I ? can I ?
[04:36] <Jucato> !register
[04:36] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[04:36] <tzbishop> HymnToLife: it will also remove the following packages
[04:36] <tzbishop>   kaffeine-xine wlassistant kubuntu-desktop kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts kaffeine konq-plugins
[04:36] <tzbishop>   kde-systemsettings
[04:37] <intelikey> hmmm well careful there you may be using someone else's nick....  there is an archangel* around here all time.
[04:37] <archangel_> but I am the real one
[04:37] <HymnToLife> tzbishop, then if you're OK with it, remove if
[04:37] <HymnToLife> if not, don't
[04:37] <archangel_> :o)
[04:37] <intelikey> ah just not reg'd.  ok.     /msg nickserv help register
[04:38] <archangel_> I can register a nic even if someone else has it?
[04:38] <intelikey> nope.
[04:38] <bubu1uk> no, u cant
[04:38] <archangel_> oh ok
[04:39] <intelikey> an unregistered nick is first come first served   but if you own a nick and someone is using it you can bump them off your nest.
[04:39] <tzbishop> HymnToLife: I am not OK removing all those packages. I just want to remove kaffeine
[04:39] <archangel_> sweet
[04:39] <K-Ryan> Okay!
[04:39] <Dr_willis> remove them then reinstall them. :)
[04:39] <K-Ryan> No more interruptions
[04:39] <tzbishop> thanks
[04:40] <K-Ryan> I'm installing frostwire, assistance needed
[04:40] <surgy> If i upgrade my video card do i have to do anything to the driver? as long as i stay invidia when i upgrade can i leave my glx driver alone?
[04:40] <HymnToLife> tzbishop, you can't the, because all those packages depend on kaffeine
[04:40] <HymnToLife> then*
[04:40] <HymnToLife> !frostwire | K-Ryan
[04:40] <ubotu> K-Ryan: frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[04:40] <surgy> k-ryan: lol thanks for answering question two, is frostwire anygood?
[04:40] <K-Ryan> surgy don't rely on me, i was really busy just now
[04:40] <K-Ryan> So I wasn't reading anything, I'm sure it's easy
[04:41] <ForgeAus> back'
[04:41] <surgy> k-ryan actually you answered my question "whats a good p2p client" before i asked it
[04:41] <ForgeAus> um that was a BAD BAD command
[04:41] <K-Ryan> Oh
[04:41] <HymnToLife> K-Ryan, read the link ubotu gave
[04:41] <ForgeAus> dropped me out I had to figure how to run kdm to get back in
[04:41] <ForgeAus> but screenres is back
[04:41] <K-Ryan> HymnToLife I am
[04:41] <jarn> I installed a package I got off the internet for installing my printer, but it didn't work and I get an error when I try to remove it. It says /var/lib/dpkg/info/lexmark-z700-cups-driver.postrm: 2: /etc/init.d/cups: not found dpkg: error processing lexmark-z700-cups-driver (--remove): subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 127
[04:41] <K-Ryan> surgy it's free(as in open source,etc.)
[04:41] <K-Ryan> so that's a plus
[04:42] <surgy> yeah always
[04:42] <archangel_> I dont get it. where do I got to register? is it not a website?
[04:42] <archangel_> I'm not gettting much info
[04:42] <archangel_> or I'm a retard
[04:43] <intelikey> jarn you could edit that script and make   'cups'   into  'cupsys'    and it should work.
[04:43] <jarn> intelikey: How?
[04:43] <K-Ryan> I don't get the first step
[04:43] <archangel_> its just telling me to type in what i need, but not telling me WHERE to type it
[04:43] <K-Ryan> im supposed to download the installation file
[04:43] <Dr_willis> archangel_,  /msg nickserv help
[04:43] <HymnToLife> archangel_, just type this : /msg nickserv register YOUR_PASSWORD
[04:43] <surgy> archangel: your wanting to register with nickserv?
[04:43] <frenris> it won't let me install anything with apt-get, complains about my last package that failed from unmet dependencies, how to fix it?
[04:43] <archangel_> where?
[04:43] <K-Ryan> but its a .i86.something
[04:43] <archangel_> right here
[04:43] <ForgeAus> yeah you have to for some channels here surgy
[04:43] <archangel_> ?
[04:43] <intelikey> jarn alternatively you could make a symlink to cupsys.   sudo ln -s /etc/init.d/cupsys /etc/init.d/cups
[04:44] <HymnToLife> frenris, sudo apt-get -f install
[04:44] <K-Ryan> So how am I supposed to save it?
[04:44] <jarn> intelikey: Nvmd, I found how to edit it.
[04:44] <surgy> archangel: and then /msg nickserv identify [yourpassword]  everytime you log in or add it to auto perform
[04:44] <archangel_> termanal?
[04:44] <intelikey> jarn the symlink might be easier.
[04:44] <th3rorn> hay alguien q hable espaol?
[04:44] <ForgeAus> so dist-upgrade would move from say dapper to edgy?
[04:44] <K-Ryan> !es | th3rorn
[04:44] <ubotu> th3rorn: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[04:44] <jarn> intelikey: Too late, I edited it. xD
[04:44] <ForgeAus> if I'm already edgy it won't update me to feisty tho right?
[04:44] <K-Ryan> De nada
[04:44] <HymnToLife> K-Ryan, it's a DEB package
[04:44] <ForgeAus> or do just normal adept updates do that anyway?
[04:45] <HymnToLife> save it wherever you want and install it with dpkg
[04:45] <HymnToLife> !deb
[04:45] <ubotu> deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[04:45] <archangel_>  /msg nickserv register
[04:45] <K-Ryan> HymnToLife but kate says it's a binary and if i save it, it wont work
[04:45] <intelikey> jarn yeah but you probably can't save it cause it's owned by root     unless you thought of that ahead of time.
[04:45] <frenris> close and don't save
[04:45] <HymnToLife> kate ?
[04:45] <Dr_willis> K-Ryan,  right cliock on the download link and 'save as'
[04:45] <K-Ryan> text editor thing
[04:45] <Ick> how do i get libdvdcss2?
[04:45] <surgy> whould it be worth the trouble to go from a working glx driver to installing alglx?
[04:45] <jarn> intelikey: I did indeed.
[04:45] <HymnToLife> what does kate have to do with anything ?
[04:45] <Ick> is there a bot who will tell me?
[04:45] <frenris> he opened it
[04:45] <K-Ryan> Dr_willis there is only a save link as
[04:45] <Dr_willis> K-Ryan,  or wget http://www.frostwire.com/download.php?file=http://www.frostwire.com/frostwire/4.13.1/frostwire-4.13.1.4.i586.deb
[04:45] <frenris> save it as
[04:46] <Dr_willis> K-Ryan,  from a shell.
[04:46] <archangel_> doesnt work
[04:46] <frenris> and then don't double click on it
[04:46] <surgy> ick: open adept and search for it there
[04:46] <frenris> right click
[04:46] <archangel_> lol
[04:46] <Ick> surgy: i am in america
[04:46] <frenris> kubuntu package menu install package
[04:46] <surgy> ick: me too :)
[04:46] <bubu1uk> K-Ryan: Save as or save link as is same . lol
[04:46] <Ick> isn't that illegal?
[04:46] <intelikey> /msg nickserv help register
[04:46] <archangel_> where do i type the command?
[04:46] <K-Ryan> bub1uk: long time no see, but doesnt save link as save the url>
[04:46] <intelikey> here
[04:46] <K-Ryan> ?
[04:46] <surgy> ick: oh lol i just saw lib (my bad) yeah you shouldnt do that
[04:46] <HymnToLife> Ick, in theory yes, it is
[04:47] <archangel_> web browser, irc chat box, terminal.....?
[04:47] <HymnToLife> irc
[04:47] <Ick> has anybody ever been prosecuted for violating it?
[04:47] <surgy> ick: but a grey area more than "illegal"
[04:47] <archangel_> ok
[04:47] <HymnToLife> not that I've heard of
[04:47] <frenris> HymnToLife: sudo apt-get -f install tries to install the last thing I tried to install (cinelerra). I'm trying to install something different (unrar). How do I get cinelerra off the list?
[04:47] <Dr_willis> archangel_,  /msg nickserv is a Irc command. :P you are talking to the nickserv 'bot'
[04:47] <Ick> why don't the distros do an act of civil disobedience?
[04:47] <K-Ryan> prosecuted for violating what?
[04:48] <HymnToLife> frenris, just apt-get remove cinelerra if you don't want it
[04:48] <archangel_>  /msg nickserv register jo jo
[04:48] <Ick> libdvdcss is technically illegal in the US
[04:48] <K-Ryan> what's it do?
[04:48] <archangel_>  /msg nickserv register jojo
[04:48] <intelikey> archangel_ just like you would /msg Dr_willis something  you are communicating with the bot in charge of nicknames....
[04:48] <HymnToLife> without a space before it archangel_ :p
[04:48] <archangel_> did it work?
[04:48] <Ick> allows you to play DVDs you legally purchased on a linux computer
[04:48] <K-Ryan> archangel_ do it in freenode
[04:48] <K-Ryan> and change your password from jojo =P
[04:49] <intelikey> archangel_ not unless you want the world to know that your passwd is jojo
[04:49] <K-Ryan> Ick that's not illegal
[04:49] <K-Ryan> You can play them in Windows
[04:49] <frenris> HymnToLife: never was installed
[04:49] <archangel_> lol, dude I am sooo green at this
[04:49] <HymnToLife> K-Ryan, it's more complicated than that
[04:49] <K-Ryan> Not to mention it is YOUR property
[04:49] <HymnToLife> libdvdcss is used to break the CSS copy protection
[04:49] <archangel_> that was my question
[04:49] <K-Ryan> You aren't reverse engineering, decompiling, etc.
[04:49] <Dr_willis> its not really your property... its just licensed for you to use. :)
[04:49] <archangel_> lol
[04:49] <surgy> ick: if you legally download them from blockbuster or something then your os doesnt matter
[04:49] <K-Ryan> Oh, then I guess you are
[04:49] <HymnToLife> K-Ryan, no it's not, when you buy a DVD you don't own the film
[04:49] <K-Ryan> You own a copy =)
[04:49] <HymnToLife> no
[04:50] <surgy> ick: get vlc if you want divx support and avi support
  /msg nickserv register jojo  <<< tells me that you prepended something before /    / must be the first char
[04:50] <K-Ryan> Uhhh, you own a DVD with the movie on it?
[04:50] <HymnToLife> you just own the right to watch it for private use bleh, bleh, bleh
[04:50] <K-Ryan> Yeah
[04:50] <K-Ryan> And what is illegal about watching it on Linux? o.O
[04:50] <K-Ryan> surgy: frostwire is very easy to setup
[04:50] <HymnToLife> because you have to use libdvdcss
[04:50] <frenris> linux is communist
[04:50] <Dr_willis> theres not a 'legal' player to do it with. :)
[04:50] <HymnToLife> which breaks the copy protection
[04:50] <Ick> frenris: agreed.
[04:50] <Ick> viva la revolucion
[04:50] <surgy> k-ryan: but whats your search results like? good?
[04:51] <K-Ryan> haven't tried it yet
[04:51] <K-Ryan> but it usually gnutella so it would be the same as most P2P
[04:51] <archangel_> prepended?  intelikey
[04:51] <intelikey> if "<frenris> linux is communist"  then communist = good.    go figure.
[04:51] <Ick> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[04:51] <Ick> that helped me
[04:51] <danielches> what is the plugin needed to play commercial dvd's?
[04:52] <HymnToLife> !libdvdcss
[04:52] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[04:52] <surgy> intelikey: comunism is one of the greatest ideas humans have ever perceived, only corupt people make comunism bad.
[04:52] <Ick> danielches: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[04:52] <danielches> thx
[04:52] <frenris> linux belongs under the communist classification, but just because it is a "good" subset does not mean the superset is not usually evil. :)
[04:52] <HymnToLife> surgy, "The point, as Marx saw it, is that dreams never come true"
[04:52] <K-Ryan> surgy it depends on how it is run
[04:52] <HymnToLife> Hannah Arendt, IIRC
[04:52] <intelikey> surgy i agree.   and i also believe that freedom is an even better idea, only greed makes it bad.
[04:52] <Ick> GNU/Linux is definitely communist
[04:52] <archangel_> ok, where is freenode ?
[04:52] <K-Ryan> what the circumstances are, blah blah blah
[04:52] <Ick> archangel_: you're on it
[04:53] <Ick> it's this IRC network
[04:53] <archangel_> lol
[04:53] <HymnToLife> archangel_, you're on it right now
[04:53] <K-Ryan> archangel_ when you first joined the irc you were in freenode
[04:53] <surgy> k-ryan: "only corupt peple make comunism bad."
[04:53] <frenris> MATRIX
[04:53] <K-Ryan> You changed to #kubuntu
[04:53] <Ick> i am going to go watch my legally obtained DVD
[04:53] <Ick> later, guys
[04:53] <jarn> I'm trying to install my printer but only the Canon drivers are showing up.
[04:53] <archangel_> so the opening dialog box
[04:53] <K-Ryan> surgy: By run I meant more than just the peopel
[04:53] <archangel_> ?
[04:53] <K-Ryan> *people
[04:53] <K-Ryan> archangel_ are you running dapper or edgy?
[04:53] <archangel_> dapper
[04:53] <K-Ryan> Then it's right below the chat
[04:53] <K-Ryan> Click "freenode"
[04:54] <K-Ryan> It's a little tabby thing
[04:54] <surgy> man my step father is stealing all the bandwidth again. wished there was a secret way to limit him to half
[04:54] <frenris> how do I clear what my apt-get is trying to do and install something else instead?
[04:54] <libelular> could someone tell me where I can find libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 ?
[04:54] <K-Ryan> surgy: you could actually do that...
[04:54] <surgy> got a 3mbps connection and he uses 2.998mbps
[04:54] <archangel_> oh, ok I see it. I was looking through the menus
[04:54] <K-Ryan> Ouch
[04:54] <surgy> yeah
[04:54] <archangel_> I feel like a retard
[04:54] <frenris> libelular: is it not on adept/synaptic?
[04:54] <K-Ryan> =)
[04:54] <surgy> so savage and ET run at 700ms lag :(
[04:54] <matt0507> anyone know how i can change my cpu fan speed? my fan is so noisy atm >,< driving me nuts
[04:55] <surgy> k-ryan: how whould i do that?
[04:55] <K-Ryan> matt0507 get a better fan  or get a water cooler
[04:55] <intelikey> archangel_ only people that are not a novice at some point, are the ones that are a novice at all points.
[04:55] <surgy> matt0507: dont know if theres a linux port but i used to use "speedfan" on win32
[04:55] <K-Ryan> surgy: I'm not sure google "Local bandwith restriction"
[04:55] <HymnToLife> frenris, please pastebin what you gen when trying ot install something so we can see exactly what it is
[04:55] <matt0507> yea im looking for something similar to speedfan
[04:55] <K-Ryan> !frostwire
[04:55] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[04:56] <HymnToLife> get*
[04:56] <intelikey> !Limewire
[04:56] <ubotu> limewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install !java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider !FrostWire as an alternative.
[04:56] <archangel_> :)
[04:56] <surgy> k-ryan i have done my research most require all traffic to go through my computer the rest make me install system tray software that he will notice
[04:56] <K-Ryan> Frostwire > Limewire
[04:56] <matt0507> !speedfan
[04:56] <frenris> !pastebin
[04:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about speedfan - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:56] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:56] <archangel_> ok I tried the command and it told me it was bad
[04:56] <K-Ryan> surgy: in your system tray or his?
[04:56] <HymnToLife> what exaclty did it tell you ?
[04:56] <HymnToLife> and what was the command you run ?
[04:56] <K-Ryan> because if you could sneak on his computer you set it up to never show the icon, if he runs windows
[04:57] <HymnToLife> ran*
[04:57] <archangel_> does that mean try another nic?
[04:57] <surgy> k_ryan: in every system tray that the bandwidth is to be limited
[04:57] <intelikey> /msg nickserv help register
[04:57] <archangel_>  /msg nickserv register password
[04:57] <surgy> k-ryan: no choice there and he runs winxp pro, and it always shows
[04:57] <K-Ryan> hrmm, well ill look around a little
[04:57] <K-Ryan> Mmmm
[04:57] <frenris> HymnToLife: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2378/
[04:58] <K-Ryan> Could you ask him to stop downloading....
[04:58] <K-Ryan> Err, nevermind
[04:58] <K-Ryan> =P
[04:58] <frenris> HymnToLife: nvm
[04:58] <frenris> HymnToLife: don't go
[04:58] <jarn> All the drivers for that CUPS has give me an error at line 1 "unexpected OPTION"
[04:58] <K-Ryan> Nah I guess your only choice for quick downloads is to download when he isn't on
[04:58] <K-Ryan> brb, restarting
[04:59] <archangel_> I need a new nic
[04:59] <intelikey> drop the _ and see what happens.
[04:59] <K-Ryan> back
[05:00] <archangel_> how?
[05:00] <surgy> k-ryan: or delete his shareaza.exe and save the icon make a fake sharaza.exe that crashes his desktop and put the real shareaza icon over the fake one :)
[05:00] <Minataku> I'ma give my SPARCstation LX a 48h test
[05:00] <surgy> k-ryan: and then whatch him do it
[05:00] <intelikey> /nick archangel
[05:00] <K-Ryan> perhaps
[05:00] <archangel_> k
[05:00] <K-Ryan> Or you could link the command to some naughty website
[05:00] <K-Ryan> so whenever he opened it up thats what opens too
[05:00] <Minataku> No OS, though, I can't do that until I get my CD caddies
[05:00] <Minataku> lol
[05:00] <intelikey> must be occupied.
[05:01] <surgy> lol see my mom freak out when a dog doing man pops :) lol  whould be great
[05:01] <K-Ryan> Forcing him to put effort into reinstalling it(unless he checks the command) or have him stop using it
[05:01] <Minataku> Just replace the shareaza EXE with some EXE that will BSOD Windows
[05:01] <archangel_> unknown command
[05:01] <K-Ryan> surgy its always good for a laugh ;)
[05:01] <Minataku> We all know there are plenty of code capable of doing that
[05:01] <Minataku> lol
[05:01] <surgy> k-ryan: and that way his crap antispyware cant find it so he will think its fixed and try again
[05:01] <intelikey> and no version information. archangel_ what client you using ?
[05:02] <K-Ryan> lol
[05:03] <K-Ryan> umm, frostwire wont open
[05:03] <intelikey> surgy i'm not sure what you meant by that, but it's probably not appropreate here.
[05:03] <K-Ryan> i open it, it loads, then doesnt open
[05:03] <K-Ryan> lemme try the konsole...
[05:03] <K-Ryan> not a high enough java level it seems
[05:04] <archangel_> konversation
[05:04] <surgy> intelikey: sorry if i offended someone, was just making conversation ill check myself better next time :)
[05:04] <K-Ryan> can I get a 1.5.x java install from repos?
[05:05] <archangel_> intelikey: konversation
[05:05] <surgy> ok guys ill see you guys later im gonna go game for a bit, once again sorry for offending anyone and bye
[05:05] <Minataku> Ugh, Java
[05:06] <Minataku> Grrrr... I hate these Mac commercials
[05:06] <intelikey> !info sun-java5-bin
[05:06] <K-Ryan> i found a great spoof of one on youtube
[05:06] <ubotu> sun-java5-bin: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-08-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 21811 kB, installed size 65084 kB
[05:06] <Minataku> Sorry, I'm in a bad mood, I should take some time away
[05:06] <intelikey> K-Ryan ^
[05:06] <Minataku> I have things to do anyway
[05:07] <K-Ryan> Thanks intelikey
[05:07] <K-Ryan> Well if it isn't my favorite C++ coder
[05:09] <archangel_> how do I change my nic?
[05:09] <K-Ryan> "/nick <insert nick here>"
[05:09] <K-Ryan> without "
[05:09] <archangel_> its telling me bad command
[05:09] <archangel_> that mean the nic is taken?
[05:09] <K-Ryan> If it says [Nick]  Nickname already in use, try a different one.
[05:09] <K-Ryan> Then yes
[05:10] <K-Ryan> intelikey do I have to restart X for java upgrades?
[05:10] <intelikey> archangel_ i'm not sure what konversation uses for it's command syntax   maybe  /help    would tell you   or hit the help button.
[05:10] <intelikey> K-Ryan no.
[05:10] <K-Ryan> intelikey it is /nick in konversation
[05:10] <archangel_> ok, thanks
[05:10] <intelikey> K-Ryan you may need to update-alternatives
[05:10] <K-Ryan> ?
[05:11] <intelikey> man update-alternatives
[05:11] <Dr_willis> or read the !java wiki
[05:11] <matt0507> anyone know if ARK is able to encrypt files name in an archive?
[05:11] <intelikey> Dr_willis that would be cheeting.
[05:11] <manchicken> matt0507: I think it can password protect the archive.
[05:11] <K-Ryan> !frostwire
[05:11] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[05:11] <matthew1429> hey guys, anyone dual boot here?
[05:12] <matthew1429> win/linux?
[05:12] <K-Ryan> Yeah
[05:12] <frenris> sort of
[05:12] <K-Ryan> What's up?
[05:12] <matthew1429> just curious how you have your partitions
[05:12] <doc|> hi
[05:12] <matthew1429> have done a lot of searching
[05:12] <matthew1429> haven't gotten solid info
[05:12] <Dr_willis> hda = windows.. hdb = linux :)
[05:12] <K-Ryan> Well I've got a small boot partition on my main
[05:12] <Dr_willis> thats how i got them.
[05:12] <K-Ryan> and about 12GB for Linux on my 160GB
[05:12] <matthew1429> okay, so about 100mb for /boot
[05:12] <matthew1429> about 2 gig for /var
[05:12] <K-Ryan> Which I will increase unless my external HDD continues to not work
[05:13] <matt0507> manchicken: i dont see any option for setting a password in ark :(
[05:13] <matthew1429> swap should be 1024 mb for 512 meg ram
[05:13] <Dr_willis> you really dont need to worry about a /var and /boot if you dont want to.
[05:13] <manchicken> I've got mine /dev/hda: GNU/Linux, /dev/hdb: GNU/Linux, /dev/null: Windows ^_^
[05:13] <matt0507> also used adept to install 7-zip but i couldnt find it from my  kmenu after instal
[05:13] <matthew1429> so if I'm running a server or doing logs
[05:13] <Dr_willis> matt0507,  its a command line tool
[05:13] <Dr_willis> !find 7zip
[05:13] <manchicken> matt0507: I think it'd be in where you tell it what type of archive you make
[05:13] <ubotu> Found: p7zip, p7zip-full
[05:14] <intelikey> matthew1429 that might be because it's not a solid answer.  M$ needs a primary partition for eaze.    but linux can use exteded or primary  the size is not very important  as long as it sufficient to hold what you install...   so there are more options than one could cover in a simple answer.
[05:15] <matthew1429> if I'm going to do vmware or wine
[05:15] <doc|> I need help, Im go to http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu_Edgy_with_AIGLX ang , but wen Starting Beryl, whit beryl-manager, X crasher
[05:15] <matthew1429> will I need to reserve a partition for windows or does it do it inside a linux install
 swap should be 1024 mb for 512 meg ram <<<<  for what useage ?
[05:16] <matthew1429> I will have it turned on all the time
[05:16] <matthew1429> and will use the resume function
[05:16] <matthew1429> it was recommended to me to be atleast 2 gigs actually
[05:16] <K-Ryan> rule of thumb is twice your RAM
[05:16] <intelikey> matthew1429 you should scandisk and defrag from within windows then the linux installer will be able to resize it
[05:16] <Dr_willis> rules of thumb can be very wrong now a dyas. :)
[05:16] <K-Ryan> holy crap, this is exactly like limewire
[05:16] <matthew1429> :)
[05:17] <Dr_willis> K-Ryan,  took ya long enough to get it going. :)
[05:17] <matthew1429> I'm just going to keep it simple
[05:17] <matthew1429> partition one is for root at 12 gigs
[05:17] <K-Ryan> i was having java trouble and referred to the help files, okay? =(
[05:17] <matthew1429> partition 2 is for swap at 2
[05:17] <matthew1429> and 3 /home 66 gigs
[05:17] <intelikey> your disk space waste it anyway you want.
[05:18] <matthew1429> i just read that /var should have it's own partition
[05:18] <matthew1429> if I'm going to run a server and need to check logs
[05:18] <Dr_willis> gee what kind of server ya going to do? runnin gyour own business?
[05:18] <intelikey> 12g for / is 2X plenty    2g for swap is a waste of 2g  but hey it's your disk and you have plenty of it.
[05:18] <matthew1429> do you think intelikey?
[05:19] <intelikey> yep
[05:19] <K-Ryan> Oh yeah now I remember
[05:19] <matthew1429> because I assumed /var and /usr would go with my /
[05:19] <K-Ryan> rule of thumb is 2 times your RAM
[05:19] <matthew1429> partition
[05:19] <K-Ryan> up to 500MB
[05:19] <intelikey> yes.  and 6g is large for / - /home
[05:19] <matthew1429> I'm used to windows :D
[05:20] <Dr_willis> matthew1429,  i doubt it it matters much. you can get by with just / and a swap partition.
[05:20] <intelikey> excuse me.  you can get by without any partitions.
[05:20] <intelikey> 0 none  nada
[05:20] <Dr_willis> heck - ya can get buy with out an pc...
[05:20] <Dr_willis> none nada
[05:20] <Dr_willis> who needs pc's!
[05:20] <matthew1429> does swap have to be on first partition?
[05:21] <intelikey> no
[05:21] <K-Ryan> hey uhh, i cant play anything in frostwire
[05:21] <matthew1429> okay
[05:21] <matthew1429> thanks guys!
[05:21] <Dr_willis> swap can be on any drivesm you can even make  swap files if ya wanted.
[05:21] <surgy_> firefox keeps closing on its own
[05:22] <archangel_> linuxiso.org is down
[05:22] <K-Ryan> surgy_ you on a different computer or something?
[05:22] <surgy_> why do you ask?
[05:22] <intelikey> and if disk space was cramped a swap file would be better than a swap partition... easily resizable.
[05:22] <K-Ryan> you have a _ after your name =P
[05:22] <surgy_> sorry
[05:22] <K-Ryan> I don't care, just curious =P
[05:22] <surgy_> seams like someone is using my regular nick
[05:23] <K-Ryan> i dont see 'em in the user list
[05:23] <intelikey> yep and it's you.
[05:23] <intelikey> | surgy (n=surgy@adsl-70-137-31-125.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net) (Network
[05:23] <intelikey> | surgy_ (n=surgy@adsl-70-137-31-125.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net) (Network
[05:23] <surgy_> lol
[05:25] <intelikey> other client is in   | channels : #linuxgames
[05:25] <K-Ryan> there's a channel for that!?
[05:25] <surgy_> yeah
[05:26] <Dr_willis> Its his evil twin.
[05:26] <intelikey> i guess so.
[05:26] <intelikey> :)
[05:27] <surgy_> intelikey im not registered yet
[05:27] <intelikey> surgy_ no  you have dual connections to the same server.  that's not the normal way to be in multiple channels.
[05:28] <intelikey> you just type /join #newchannel
[05:28] <surgy_> intelikey: on accident, i just chose both channels when konversation started and it did it that way
[05:28] <surgy_> and its two servers not channels one is freenode one is ubuntu
[05:28] <intelikey> did you list the server twice ?
[05:29] <intelikey> the ubuntu server is freenode
[05:29] <surgy_> no ubuntu was defualt ill fix that now
[05:30] <Balsamic_Chicken> where do i go for help if i want to install mac os with ubuntu onto my desktop computer, is there a channel?
[05:30] <K-Ryan> !mac
[05:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mac - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:30] <K-Ryan> !apple
[05:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apple - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:30] <K-Ryan> Hrmm
[05:30] <manchicken> ubotu: Apple is evil.
[05:31] <K-Ryan> Will he remember that?
[05:31] <K-Ryan> !apple
[05:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apple - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:31] <K-Ryan> Aww man
[05:31] <Balsamic_Chicken> why is apple evil..
[05:31] <manchicken> It goes to the ubuntu-ops people for review ^_^
[05:31] <frenris> ...
[05:31] <K-Ryan> Haha!
[05:31] <manchicken> Balsamic_Chicken: Ask me in #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:31] <K-Ryan> manchicken feel like helping me out with C++ some more? =)
[05:32] <manchicken> K-Ryan: What you working on?
[05:32] <manchicken> I just submitted another adept patch.
[05:32] <K-Ryan> Nothing, no inspiration
[05:32] <ForgeAus> Kmenu is weird, it doesn't put terminal modes/apps in the terminal place (although there is a terminal panel/icon/menu you can enable, but it doesn't put debian nor X apps in their place... theres a util to add an emulation option and one for gnome apps
[05:32] <K-Ryan> Nor do I really know what's what yet
[05:32] <intelikey> well there are ##apple and ##mac  take your pick
[05:32] <ForgeAus> but it doesn't seem to put things wehre they go!
[05:33] <Balsamic_Chicken> intelikey thx
[05:33] <ForgeAus> terminal sessions menu would be the kind of thing I'd expect the K-menu terminal item should mirror!
[05:33] <intelikey> or try both  they don't look very busy
[05:33] <K-Ryan> manchicken could you help me assemble perhaps a calculator script?
[05:33] <K-Ryan> just for experience and the like
[05:34] <manchicken> K-Ryan: C++ programs aren't scripts.  They're compiled native binary programs.
[05:34] <K-Ryan> Oh you know what I mean, but thanks for the tip.
[05:34] <surgy> better?
[05:34] <K-Ryan> yes surgy =P
[05:34] <manchicken> And while calculators aren't particularly complicated, I still think you might be better off asking Riddell if he had something small and simple that you needed a hand on.
[05:35] <ForgeAus> man whats the difference? theres source at some point which is always a script, right?
[05:35] <K-Ryan> but I can't contribute if I dont know anything about it =/
[05:35] <manchicken> ForgeAus: Scripts are executed by programs running on an operating system.  Compiled programs are run by an operating system.
[05:35] <ForgeAus> binaries themselves are OUTPUT (often executables) from the compiled source, that's true..
[05:36] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Learning to program is a bit of a catch-22, but not really.
[05:36] <ForgeAus> lol manchicken
[05:36] <K-Ryan> It's intimidating to jump into an already built code
[05:36] <manchicken> K-Ryan: You can't learn until you have something to work on, and you can't have something to work on until you've learned a bit.
[05:36] <manchicken> It is intimidating.
[05:36] <frenris> just get the g++ compiler and google c++ tutorials
[05:36] <manchicken> But it's really not that hard.
[05:36] <frenris> then go into kate
[05:36] <frenris> what I've been doing
[05:37] <ForgeAus> K-ryan theres lots of apps for programming under linux
[05:37] <frenris> and its been sort of working
[05:37] <K-Ryan> frenris page by page doesn't cut it for me
[05:37] <ForgeAus> from kdevelop for one :)
[05:37] <ForgeAus> which reminds me I better install that :)
[05:37] <manchicken> For all of you aspiring programmers, find something to contribute with, and see if you can find someone to help collaborate with you.
[05:37] <manchicken> I wish we had something like webex for the free software folks.
[05:37] <manchicken> How's that IP phone stuff work?
[05:38] <manchicken> Maybe a combo VNC and IP phone would work well.
[05:38] <K-Ryan> IP phone?
[05:38] <manchicken> Collaborative development is the best way to learn.
[05:38] <manchicken> Yeah.  Like vonage
[05:38] <intelikey> echo -e '#!/bin/bash \n\n# a very simple bash calculator that often errors out and doesn't do decimals \n \n echo "$(( $* ))" \n' > calc.bash ;chmod 755 calc.bash ;./calc.bash '4 * 4'
[05:38] <manchicken> But without a monthly bill ^_^
[05:38] <K-Ryan> Oh I think I know what you mean
[05:38] <coreymon77> how do i install rpms?
[05:38] <K-Ryan> coreymon77 im told they dont work with kubuntu
[05:38] <K-Ryan> you need a .deb
[05:39] <coreymon77> how do i convert an rpm to a deb
[05:39] <manchicken> !rpm
[05:39] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[05:39] <K-Ryan> or use some program called alien and convert it to a .deb which sounded risky
[05:39] <intelikey> K-Ryan   drop that string in konsole  ^
[05:39] <ForgeAus> manchicken I think the reverse of that suggestion for programmers would be better.. umho its better to find someone to collaborate before you find something to contribute...
[05:39] <ForgeAus> yum doesn't work tho
[05:39] <coreymon77> what was this fakeroot thing ive heard
[05:39] <ForgeAus> the python urlgrabber is wrong version or something
[05:39] <frenris> !sudo
[05:39] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:39] <ForgeAus> !yum
[05:40] <ubotu> yum: Advanced front-end for rpm. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.4.0-3.1 (edgy), package size 197 kB, installed size 960 kB
[05:40] <coreymon77> !fakeroot
[05:40] <ubotu> fakeroot: Gives a fake root environment. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.9ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 92 kB, installed size 376 kB
[05:40] <K-Ryan> it didnt do anything intelikey
[05:40] <K-Ryan> i probably copied it wrong but its ok
[05:40] <frenris> !kuake
[05:40] <ubotu> kuake: Console which looks like Quake game console. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-5 (edgy), package size 44 kB, installed size 244 kB
[05:40] <frenris> !yakuake
[05:40] <ubotu> yakuake: Yet Another Kuake, KDE terminal emulator. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.7.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 67 kB, installed size 488 kB
[05:40] <intelikey> echo -e '#!/bin/bash \n\n# a very simple bash calculator that often errors out and doesnt do decimals \n \n echo "$(( $* ))" \n' > calc.bash ;chmod 755 calc.bash ;./calc.bash '4 * 4'
[05:40] <frenris> what's the diff?
[05:40] <manchicken> ForgeAus: Working on an established codebase is much easier to learn with than writing something new.  The order of deciding projects and finding a buddy are of no real consequence IMO.
[05:40] <coreymon77> i should use yum?
[05:40] <intelikey> you must have missed something.
[05:40] <K-Ryan> probably, but im learning C++
[05:40] <ForgeAus> corey not necessarily
[05:41] <ForgeAus> actually you should try to use alien or deb's if possible
[05:41] <intelikey> K-Ryan ok.
[05:41] <coreymon77> so wait
[05:41] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Swimming in existing code is easier to learn with.
[05:41] <coreymon77> dont use yum
[05:41] <ForgeAus> but if you have to use an rpm yum is a graphical tool for it but I can't seem to get it working in kubuntu as yet
[05:41] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Try `apt-get source kedit` and swim in that source.
[05:41] <coreymon77> alien can convert it to a deb
[05:41] <coreymon77> cant itt?
[05:41] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Or try swimming in kcalc
[05:41] <ForgeAus> yes
[05:42] <manchicken> K-Ryan: See if you can implement little changes.
[05:42] <K-Ryan> where is the source saved?
[05:42] <ForgeAus> and hopefully depending on how you install the .deb someting like aptitude can find all the dependancies and fill them in for you!
[05:42] <K-Ryan> like swap the numbers so it would frustrate someone(prank calculator) =D
[05:42] <intelikey> K-Ryan you want c code for calculators  look at bc
[05:42] <coreymon77> what do you mean how i install the deb
[05:42] <manchicken> K-Ryan: That's what I love about apt-get.  It'll fetch source packages to your $PWD
[05:42] <K-Ryan> PWD?
[05:42] <manchicken> Present Working Directory
[05:43] <K-Ryan> Where's that?
[05:43] <manchicken> ./
[05:43] <coreymon77> dont i just right click on it and install it?
[05:43] <ForgeAus> .deb files are debian packages... theres various programs that install them
[05:43] <intelikey> man pwd
[05:43] <ForgeAus> corey, possibly
[05:43] <coreymon77> i knwo that
[05:43] <ForgeAus> that may work
[05:43] <coreymon77> it uses dpkg
[05:43] <ForgeAus> (but if theres missing dependancies it may not work)
[05:43] <manchicken> K-Ryan: If you `cd /etc/apt` and then `echo $PWD`, it'll tell you that you're in /etc/apt
[05:43] <coreymon77> once i use the deb i can just use aptitude to get the deps
[05:44] <ForgeAus> ahh present? thats kewl my teacher always said it was Print working directory, I thought there was something strange about that!
[05:44] <K-Ryan> umm
[05:44] <K-Ryan> Actually h/o
[05:44] <ForgeAus> yes corey that should work
[05:44] <ForgeAus> (or apt-get even)
[05:44] <manchicken> ForgeAus: Yeah, $PWD is present working directory ^_^
[05:44] <ForgeAus> depending on what your comfortable with
[05:45] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Is there any small feature you'd like to see in any program you commonly use?
[05:45] <K-Ryan> Mmmm, nope not really
[05:46] <intelikey> heh   man pwd >>> DESCRIPTION
[05:46] <intelikey>        Print the full filename of the current working directory.
[05:46] <K-Ryan> okay now, i download the kcacl thing
[05:46] <coreymon77> wierd
[05:46] <surgy> why is firefox "loading application" and then dies and does nothing?
[05:46] <manchicken> intelikey: The command, but not the $PWD
[05:46] <coreymon77> why is alien giving me this message twice
[05:46] <ForgeAus> eek filename? shoudl be pathname
[05:46] <K-Ryan> and i now have a "kdeutils-3.5.5" folder and lots of files
[05:46] <coreymon77> hostname: Unknown host
[05:46] <zen> hello
[05:46] <intelikey> manchicken that's not the "name" that's the DESCRIPTION
[05:47] <K-Ryan> Where is the actual code in this mess of kdeutils
[05:47] <manchicken> Nice.
[05:47] <manchicken> That's one of the things that I deem as "of zero consequence" ^_^
[05:47] <ForgeAus> kryan probably isn't code
[05:47] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Do a find for it.
[05:47] <ForgeAus> sometimes you can download the source...
[05:47] <ForgeAus> which is code
[05:47] <zen> i got a proble when i run my adept tells me im not able to install or remove any software couse another application is using adept and to close that first but how is that possible if i just logged in?
[05:47] <ForgeAus> (but I know at least SOME of KDE is written in python (rather than C++) which is a different programming language
[05:47] <zen> m*
[05:48] <Minataku> surgy: Are you starting it from a command line?
[05:48] <surgy> no but i assume i should to see output
[05:48] <nate_> my edgy seems to run slow and borky, are there any optimizing apps, or somthing, because i have a good upto date system, core2duo 2ghz, 2gb ram, blah blah nlah
[05:48] <manchicken> ForgeAus: He's talking about source he downloaded ^_^
[05:48] <nate_> i change to xfce, didnt really make a difference
[05:48] <ForgeAus> or you can look for a disassembler :(... but the variables aren't likely to be easy to track/understand...
[05:48] <intelikey> manchicken you can learn a few things from them i guess... if you don't already know.   but the reason i posted it was the fact that it says  "full filename of the current working directory"    inode maybe  file no.
[05:48] <ForgeAus> man, oh ok...
[05:48] <K-Ryan> whats the source called?
[05:48] <manchicken> cd into the kdeutils directory it just created, and then into kcalc or whatever.
[05:49] <ForgeAus> well then is it archived? if so doesn't he just have to extract the archive?
[05:49] <Minataku> surgy: You're learning :D
[05:49] <distro-test> i got a proble when i run my adept tells me im not able to install or remove any software couse another application is using adept and to close that first but how is that possible if i just logged in?
[05:49] <K-Ryan> uhh, yeah, that was a stupid question...
[05:49] <ForgeAus> K-Ryan source files have an extension often based on the language used
[05:49] <manchicken> K-Ryan: then look for the "int main" function.
[05:49] <surgy> minataku: lol
[05:49] <K-Ryan> the whole "where is it" tgubg
[05:49] <manchicken> Go from there ^_^
[05:49] <distro-test> can some one help me on this please?
[05:49] <manchicken> .cpp files are C++ files, .h files are header files.
[05:50] <ForgeAus> C++ uses .h for headers, and .c for main code (sometimes theres variations like .hpp and .cpp or .h++ and .c++ but mostly its .h and .c... - CSharp uses .cs... )
[05:50] <Minataku> surgy: Indeed, always when something fails silently, launch it from a console... it ain't so quiet after all ;3
[05:50] <intelikey> distro-test lock files
[05:50] <ForgeAus> python often uses .py
[05:50] <K-Ryan> manchicken: what is static?
[05:50] <distro-test> hi intel u mean they hacked me?
[05:50] <surgy> minataku: lesson learned i have a host of problems got some gurus talking me through it ill post output when i can
[05:51] <intelikey> no i mean that's how it's possable.  a lock file
[05:51] <Minataku> surgy: k, just remember to post it to a pastebin if it's a whole lot of lines
[05:51] <distro-test> im 1 time on linux if u can explain me better what i have to do?
[05:51] <K-Ryan> distro-test what is your normal language?
[05:51] <surgy> minataku: i whouldnt dream of anything else :)
[05:51] <distro-test> italian
[05:51] <K-Ryan> !it
[05:51] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[05:51] <Minataku> You're well on your way to becoming a great Linux user :D
[05:51] <distro-test> thanx
[05:51] <ForgeAus> wow I didn't know monodevlop required firefox as a depenancy! lol hmmm have to uninstall that and use seamonkey maybe instead
[05:52] <K-Ryan> Your welcome
[05:52] <ForgeAus> (is seamonkey the same as what the mozilla suite used to be?)
[05:52] <Minataku> Not that you're doing badly now, of course :D
[05:52] <distro-test> but in italy it's 6 am now so i nead help here
[05:52] <ForgeAus> (ie basically firefox+thunderbird+composer+chatzilla and possibly some other stuff that I can't think of off the top of my head)
[05:52] <intelikey> distro-test many linux uses "lock files" to tell applications that they are already running.  normally something like xorg.lock  or just lock in a special dir.   but although that was your question you probably just want to know how to fix it...
[05:52] <distro-test> btw i can speak english even if i lack in grammar
[05:52] <intelikey> !fixbrokendpkg
[05:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fixbrokendpkg - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:53] <intelikey> !fix broken
[05:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fix broken - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:53] <distro-test> yes that intel
[05:53] <manchicken> K-Ryan: http://www.functionx.com/managedcpp/keywords/static.htm
[05:53] <K-Ryan> distro-test i figured it might be easier
[05:53] <intelikey> well theres an info node here somewhere...
[05:53] <surgy> grumbles
[05:53] <manchicken> K-Ryan: You'll find that I'm a terrible teacher, but I'm pretty good with collaboration.
[05:53] <distro-test> couse everytime i log in firestarter askes me for root pass to work very boring if there is a way to avoid that to pluse this problem i have whit adept
[05:54] <K-Ryan> im never going to get this down right...
[05:54] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Programming to me is like driving.  It seems so simple to me, and it's so normal to me, that it's hard for me to step out of that point of view.
[05:54] <distro-test> how u solve it then couse adept keeps telling me some thing is using adept and won't let me install remove nead to solve now for the rest is super 1 time on linux and kubuntu 6.10
[05:55] <K-Ryan> !adeptfix | distro-test
[05:55] <ubotu> distro-test: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[05:55] <distro-test> ok
[05:55] <surgy> if i right click something and click "put into run dialog" what exactly does that do?
[05:55] <Eruantalon> Aaarrgghhhh I just spend 2 hours trying to make the qprocess class in qt work as it is supposed to in the manual. Only now do i discover that i am reading the qt 4.2 manual and not 3.3 that i am actually using. TIME TO GO TO BED!
[05:55] <distro-test> for the annoying password require that firestarter askes me every log in to start is there anything to do?
[05:56] <K-Ryan> Not sure
[05:56] <Minataku> I love the cgsix Sun logo
[05:56] <Minataku> It's so pretty
[05:56] <distro-test> btw i think it was automatix to brake adept couse i installed skype and nvdia drivers whit it
[05:56] <K-Ryan> you want to see pretty?
[05:56] <K-Ryan> Minataku go put in konsole "sudo apt-get install cmatrx && cmatrix
[05:56] <Minataku> It's also really out of place set into the plain white OpenBoot console
[05:56] <Minataku> But that just makes it better
[05:56] <K-Ryan> err, sudo apt-get install cmatrix
[05:57] <Minataku> lol
[05:57] <K-Ryan> i forgot that i in there
[05:57] <K-Ryan> seriously though
[05:57] <Minataku> I'll emerge it instead
[05:57] <distro-test> ill remove automatix seems broke adept up
[05:57] <Minataku> Though I've seen it before all the same, and it is nice :D
[05:57] <K-Ryan> Came across it while scouring packages
[05:57] <K-Ryan> what else was fun....
[05:57] <ForgeAus> yeah distro be careful with automatix
[05:57] <K-Ryan> xbill
[05:57] <Minataku> xscreensaver is always good
[05:58] <Minataku> I love the BSOD screensaver
[05:58] <intelikey> !automatix
[05:58] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[05:58] <distro-test> can u paste me the ubotu command to fix adept so i copy paste it in console i have to be logged in as root first right?
[05:58] <ForgeAus> rofl
[05:58] <Minataku> Despite the fact that it picks fonts that are completely wrong
[05:58] <Minataku> I'm a purist, I like it to be correct
[05:58] <Minataku> xscreensaver's choices are far from correct
[05:58] <distro-test> purist are the ruin of linux
[05:58] <ForgeAus> I had no problem with Automatix2 personally but that doesn't mean it will work for all configurations
[05:58] <K-Ryan> hold on, im listening to something and need to get it's name
[05:58] <distro-test> but automatix sucks in nvdia drivers a part
[05:59] <intelikey> ruin of linux    hehhe
[05:59] <distro-test> eheh
[05:59] <ForgeAus> ie I guess thats why theres the !WorksForMe trigger there :)
[05:59] <Minataku> I mean in my simulations
[05:59] <Minataku> I like them to be correct
[05:59] <distro-test> next step for linux simple and compatible go novell
[05:59] <Minataku> xscreensaver/bsod is not correct
[05:59] <ForgeAus> novell! no thanx
[05:59] <Minataku> Novell has a Linux. It's called SuSE
[05:59] <ForgeAus> suse is a pain!
[05:59] <Minataku> Or did they give that all away
[06:00] <distro-test> intel can u paste me the adept fix command ubotu so i copy paste it in console?
[06:00] <Minataku> SuSE is where I started, but it was better back then
[06:00] <K-Ryan> Novell? Isn't that the program they on school computers?
[06:00] <Minataku> They make that program
[06:00] <intelikey> sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[06:00] <ForgeAus> K-Ryan Novell is a company
[06:00] <ForgeAus> that had awesome networking software :)
[06:01] <K-Ryan> But they do make that program
[06:01] <distro-test> by go novell i mean the next step to make linux compatible and make bill deal so will be 50 50 % world whit linux in the game to not just m$
[06:01] <Minataku> Mythbusters Pirate Special on NOW - Discovery Channel
[06:01] <ForgeAus> but they also make other software...
[06:01] <distro-test> instead purist want it hard and pure linux and people keep using windows
[06:01] <K-Ryan> Minataku I saw a bit of it
[06:01] <ForgeAus> SuSE is their current Linux distribution
[06:01] <distro-test> thanx intel
[06:01] <K-Ryan> Minataku didn't catch the very end though
[06:01] <Minataku> Microsoft can make their own Linux
[06:01] <Minataku> Why they haven't thrown their hat into the ring is beyond me
[06:01] <ForgeAus> they could
[06:01] <Minataku> They can charge for it, too
[06:01] <ForgeAus> Micrux?
[06:02] <K-Ryan> Ahahahahaha
[06:02] <Minataku> Not just for support, either
[06:02] <ForgeAus> or linsoft?
[06:02] <K-Ryan> MicroTux
[06:02] <K-Ryan> icon would be a baby Tux
[06:02] <ForgeAus> rofl
[06:02] <K-Ryan> lol
[06:02] <Minataku> Doors
[06:02] <K-Ryan> Doors? o.O
[06:02] <distro-test> opensuse is one of the best desktop distros whit fedora but i like kubuntu better now
[06:02] <newlinuxguy> Awesome... got kubuntu installed, not so good... now I have an error - artsmessage sound server fatal error - cpu overload. aborting
[06:02] <ForgeAus> Microsoft with the word START wrapped around a penguin! rofl
[06:02] <intelikey> distro-test and i couldn't agree more with your some what broken rant.   i am a purist by that definition.
[06:02] <Minataku> K-Ryan: Vs. Windows
[06:02] <Minataku> lol
[06:02] <newlinuxguy> I will google and try to be self-dependant
[06:02] <newlinuxguy> but just in case
[06:02] <Minataku> Perhaps Ceilings?
[06:02] <Minataku> XD
[06:02] <distro-test> hehe thanx intel  means your smart
[06:03] <K-Ryan> I don't get it o.O
[06:03] <K-Ryan> OH!
[06:03] <K-Ryan> HAHAH!
[06:03] <Minataku> lol
[06:03] <newlinuxguy> are you guys aware of arts causing a sound server fatal error?
[06:03] <smaggard_> did u hear about the ford/microsoft deal
[06:03] <Minataku> IMO Arts is a fatal error
[06:03] <Minataku> But that's beyond
[06:03] <Minataku> XD
[06:03] <newlinuxguy> :D
[06:03] <K-Ryan> ford and microsoft?
[06:03] <smaggard_> microsoft will be joining ford in developing incar communications and display... great now blue screens when ur driving down the road.
[06:03] <K-Ryan> Buy a truck get a discount on Vista?
[06:03] <Minataku> I don't like magical hardware absracting obfuscations like artsd
[06:04] <distro-test> but it's a logical thing in this capitalist world we can't be purist but deal whit out loosing freedom of course other wise if u keep pure u keep limitated and isolated
[06:04] <Minataku> Especially since it's far more sane to just use the API provided by ALSA/OSS
[06:04] <ForgeAus> anyway windows has several possible linux layers from X-servers like X-ming to basically a redhat distro in cygwin!
[06:04] <K-Ryan> "Hold on honey let me find out where to go....*BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH* OH NO WE'RE LOST!*Calls onstar* I GOT THE BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH HELP ME!"
[06:04] <ForgeAus> hmmm I wonder if yum would work in that! rofl
[06:04] <Minataku> Say, does the stock Ubuntu kernel have ALSA with OSS Emulation?
[06:04] <distro-test> is there any program to improve english grammar on kubuntu or check spelling that would be great for me ?
[06:04] <newlinuxguy> okay
[06:04] <newlinuxguy> minataku
[06:04] <smaggard_> lol
[06:04] <intelikey> smaggard_ would that be BSoC ?
[06:04] <smaggard_> BSOD on the highway!!
[06:05] <newlinuxguy> you are throwing alot of stuff at me
[06:05] <ForgeAus> but then cygwin isn't microsoft's its more redhats!
[06:05] <Minataku> K-Ryan: Then over the phone you hear the MS Text-To-Speech say "Windows has encountered an error..."
[06:05] <ForgeAus> just runs IN MS Windows
[06:05] <Minataku> XD
[06:05] <smaggard_> LOL
[06:05] <ForgeAus> (as the environment)
[06:05] <intelikey> blue screen of CRASH
[06:05] <K-Ryan> PFFFF! AHAHAHAH
[06:05] <Minataku> Then the whole truck crashes
[06:05] <Minataku> Literally
[06:05] <Minataku> XD
[06:05] <smaggard_> then the airbags go off
[06:05] <K-Ryan> *Blue screen of death, AIRBAG!*
[06:05] <distro-test> i nead a spell checker ahah and some english class program does kubuntu support the service?
[06:05] <smaggard_> lol
[06:05] <smaggard_> BSODA
[06:05] <smaggard_> i mean BSOD,A
[06:05] <Minataku> GPS, how do I get to the end of my driveway?
[06:05] <smaggard_> lol
[06:05] <Minataku> Drive forward 36000mi
[06:05] <intelikey> bsodoa
[06:05] <K-Ryan> ahahaha
[06:06] <Minataku> XD
[06:06] <ForgeAus> why microsoft made XP's STOP error screen blue I'll never know1
[06:06] <Minataku> It's always been blue
[06:06] <ForgeAus> wouldn't you think red would make more sense?
[06:06] <smaggard_> what kind of idiots are ford for integrating buggy unstable non open code
[06:06] <Minataku> Since 3.1
[06:06] <K-Ryan> Well I mean, where there is windows, linux finds a way
[06:06] <smaggard_> yeah red would make more sense, but i think they think blue is less scary to ppl who have no clue
[06:07] <ForgeAus> K-Ryan for the most part yes... but not completely... at least not yet
[06:07] <intelikey> smaggard_ the kind you can buy of course
[06:07] <ForgeAus> smaggard if you have a BSOD your not meant to have a clue anyway right?
[06:07] <smaggard_> obviously
[06:07] <Minataku> lol
[06:07] <intelikey> don't think M$ doesn't buy things like that.
[06:07] <Minataku> Well, red would invoke panic
[06:07] <smaggard_> didnt think about that
[06:07] <Minataku> Which is what Windows just did
[06:07] <K-Ryan> ForgeAus: We got it on the Xbox right?
[06:07] <smaggard_> lol
[06:07] <Minataku> I guess they figured why have the user panic too
[06:07] <distro-test> intel  u know any programs to check spelling and take english classes i could install from adept?
[06:07] <ForgeAus> also the info on the BSOD itself tends to be as cryptic as they can make it for
[06:07] <K-Ryan> Beat Micro$oft on its on platform!
[06:08] <smaggard_> all im saying is ford would have been much farther ahead to use open source software
[06:08] <Minataku> ForgeAus: You have to look it up to decode it
[06:08] <Minataku> No questions
[06:08] <Minataku> They'll tell you all about it if you look
[06:08] <ForgeAus> X-Box! lol I aren't into X-Box
[06:08] <smaggard_> yeah basically
[06:08] <ForgeAus> I used to like PSX but not sure about PS3
[06:08] <ForgeAus> PS2 is kewl (I just didn't go there)
[06:08] <smaggard_> haha did you see those smashxbox360 videos?
[06:08] <distro-test> btw the adept bug is fixied thanx it was automatix faoult ill remove it now
[06:08] <intelikey> distro-test ispell aspell myspell  and friends...   as for the english classes, not really.
[06:09] <ForgeAus> lol too many dictionaries!
[06:09] <smaggard_> the only thing is... they still bought/supported ms tho
[06:09] <Minataku> Sony is far more dangerous to digital rights than Microsoft
[06:09] <Minataku> Even more dangerous is Apple
[06:09] <smaggard_> yeah sony could really put a hurt
[06:09] <intelikey> ForgeAus there are more  pspell comes to mind.
[06:09] <ForgeAus> Minataku even with palladium taken into account? wow.. thats BAD
[06:10] <smaggard_> i would rather direct a customer to a mac than to say stay on windows
[06:10] <K-Ryan> Sony and its rootkits
[06:10] <Minataku> smaggard_: That's terrible
[06:10] <K-Ryan> BAD! BAD SONY!
[06:10] <distro-test> btw u nead to do 2 things in ubuntu distros then they are super put a partioner good and easy as anaconda and put video card drivers and flash player in it orfind easy way to install them whit a click
[06:10] <Minataku> Considering all Intel Macs come with a TPM chip
[06:10] <K-Ryan> distro-test it is easy to install flash
[06:10] <smaggard_> a wat?
[06:10] <Minataku> I believe that the ONLY reason Apple switched to Intel was for Palladium and TCPA
[06:10] <ForgeAus> intellikey can't there be some dictionary interface where you only HAVE to have one, and serve out to whatever apps ask for it?... isntead of having diff apps use ispell or hspell or this spell or that spell or the other spell?
[06:10] <Minataku> There was no other reason whatsoever
[06:10] <smaggard_> brb gotta google somethin lol
[06:10] <intelikey> smaggard_ go wash your hands with soap for typing such things.
[06:10] <intelikey> go !
[06:10] <K-Ryan> but, google is good!
[06:10] <Minataku> smaggard_: "Treacherous Computing" aka TCPA
[06:11] <K-Ryan> Well actually....
[06:11] <distro-test> i nead to install flash but it's to hard from console for new users can u help help me Ryan?
[06:11] <ForgeAus> I shouldn't be MADE to install 2 dictionaries unless I want to!
[06:11] <K-Ryan> !flash-nonfree
[06:11] <Minataku> Implemented via TPM chip, aka "Treacherous Platform Module"
[06:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flash-nonfree - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:11] <intelikey> TC
[06:11] <distro-test> even video drivers where hard had to use automatix
[06:11] <smaggard_> u would recommend sticking with MS rather than going apple?
[06:11] <intelikey> TCG
[06:11] <K-Ryan> What's the flash package name guys?
[06:11] <K-Ryan> distro-test video drivers can be a pain
[06:11] <intelikey> TCPM
[06:11] <Minataku> It's what gives anyone who isn't you control over your computer
[06:11] <intelikey> and friends
[06:11] <smaggard_> whoah
[06:11] <nate_> how can i have a osx style dock?
[06:12] <Minataku> Instead of the RIAA suing you, they'll just go into your computer and do as they see fit
[06:12] <Minataku> And THEN sue you
[06:12] <smaggard_> lol
[06:12] <smaggard_> dang
[06:12] <distro-test> not if u use automatix u should  improve it so it gets one whit the distro and dosen't brake system couse some stuff is still to hard on ubuntu distros
[06:12] <smaggard_> that suxxx
[06:12] <Minataku> One sec
[06:12] <frenris> In terms of evil-ness is this correct RIAA > Sony > Apple > Microsoft > Yahoo > Google?
[06:12] <Minataku> I guess I better pastebin this
[06:12] <Minataku> One moment please...
[06:12] <Minataku> !pastebin
[06:12] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:13] <distro-test> so what's the easy way for begginers to install flash 9 im not able from console ryan yet
[06:13] <distro-test> can u get it from the repository?
[06:13] <K-Ryan> distro-test that is the easy way
[06:13] <bxnp> is it possible to connecto to my computer behind a wifi router on port 80
[06:13] <K-Ryan> "sudo apt-get install <package name>"
[06:13] <K-Ryan> that's it
[06:13] <bxnp> i dont have acces to the accespoint cause its from my neighbour
[06:14] <bxnp> and he is a sleep right now :)
[06:14] <Minataku> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2389/ << Here, all the links you need on TCPA/etc
[06:14] <distro-test> sudo as to long in first as root ?
[06:14] <Minataku> Look at that, trust me, it's important
[06:14] <frenris> pretty sure it's not in the repos. distro-test, Get automatix is you don't have it already.
[06:14] <intelikey> !sudo
[06:14] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:14] <distro-test> no automatix brakes system
[06:14] <distro-test> ill try console way but nead some help
[06:15] <intelikey> !flash9
[06:15] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[06:15] <intelikey> !botsnack
[06:15] <ubotu> Yum!
[06:15] <Jucato> they still haven't updated it to Flash 9 final
[06:15] <distro-test> that's great how u do that?
[06:15] <Minataku> Non-free flash is pretty much useless
[06:15] <distro-test> hi jucato
[06:15] <Minataku> As unfortunate as it is
[06:15] <intelikey> !ubotu
[06:15] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:15] <Minataku> Er
[06:15] <Minataku> s/Non-free/Free/
[06:16] <distro-test> things seem going well here but automarix crashed adept im removing it now
[06:16] <Minataku> The GPL, reverse-engineered Flash players are outdated in implementation and quite pointless to use
[06:16] <distro-test> ubotu install flash player 9 for me?
[06:16] <intelikey> !flash9
[06:16] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[06:16] <Minataku> Adobe seems to be scrambling to make that happen
[06:16] <distro-test> teach me unix ubotu haah
[06:17] <intelikey> !cli
[06:17] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[06:17] <Minataku> What with the insane advancements in Flash numbers
[06:17] <distro-test> ubotu how old are u?
[06:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about how old are u? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:17] <K-Ryan> He's a bot
[06:17] <intelikey> !stats
[06:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stats - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:17] <K-Ryan> Minataku it's for show
 Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[06:17] <distro-test> i know im joking whit him
[06:17] <K-Ryan> !botsnack
[06:17] <distro-test> ubotu hello
[06:17] <ubotu> Yum!
[06:18] <ubotu> hello: The classic greeting, and a good example. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.1-4 (edgy), package size 47 kB, installed size 472 kB
[06:18] <K-Ryan> hello seems to be a packge
[06:18] <Minataku> K-Ryan: Wrong person, check where your pointers dereference to
[06:18] <Minataku> lol
[06:18] <distro-test> ryan do i have to istall yum to hadle rpm better?
[06:18] <K-Ryan> What Minataku?
[06:18] <Minataku> K-Ryan: I wasn't playing with the bot
[06:19] <bxnp> you install alien distro-test
[06:19] <intelikey> why didn't !stats work ?     it works in pm
[06:19] <Minataku> Or am I at fault
[06:19] <K-Ryan> Minataku I was talking about the flash numbers
[06:19] <distro-test> and what about yum do i nead it?
[06:19] <Minataku> lol
[06:19] <Minataku> Oh
[06:19] <Minataku> K-Ryan: Sorry
[06:19] <Minataku> Misread XD
[06:19] <K-Ryan> It's ok
[06:19] <newlinuxguy> silly question
[06:19] <newlinuxguy> hehe
[06:19] <newlinuxguy> where is the control center, is it actually labeled that?
[06:19] <newlinuxguy> I'm trying to disable the sound server
[06:20] <intelikey> newlinuxguy kmenu > system
[06:20] <frenris> !sony
[06:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sony - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:20] <frenris> !evil
[06:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about evil - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:20] <frenris> !microsoft
[06:20] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[06:20] <intelikey> newlinuxguy or in a konsole or alt+f2 type kcontrol
[06:20] <Minataku> I don't understand why KDE needs that stupid artsd... why isn't just using the actual kernel sound system good enough?
[06:20] <intelikey> !kcontrol
[06:20] <ubotu> kcontrol: control center for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 2815 kB, installed size 9008 kB
[06:20] <newlinuxguy> I see an info center
[06:21] <newlinuxguy> okay
[06:21] <newlinuxguy> lemme click here
[06:21] <distro-test> i seen yum is optional u advise me to install it?
[06:21] <K-Ryan> !yum
[06:21] <ubotu> yum: Advanced front-end for rpm. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.4.0-3.1 (edgy), package size 197 kB, installed size 960 kB
[06:22] <K-Ryan> Oh that's what yum is..
[06:22] <Minataku> Heehee, they made cannonballs by spraypainting a bunch of dodgeballs black
[06:22] <K-Ryan> Minataku they get cannon balls later, don't worry
[06:22] <Minataku> K-Ryan: I know, I've seen it before
[06:22] <Minataku> Twice, in fact
[06:22] <K-Ryan> Oh
[06:22] <Minataku> I'm a Mythbusters addict
[06:22] <Minataku> :D
[06:23] <distro-test> well yum seems the best solution for rpm whit alien ill put both
[06:23] <K-Ryan> Me too except weekends im up late then fall asleep right away
[06:23] <Minataku> K-Ryan: Heh, I watch it online if it's not on TV
[06:23] <Minataku> XD
[06:23] <K-Ryan> and week days im on the comp when MB is on, then its on after i fall asleep
[06:23] <K-Ryan> Oh, I could try that...
[06:25] <newlinuxguy> is the k menu literally supposed to have a control center link in it?
[06:25] <newlinuxguy> i feel so like my name :D
[06:25] <Minataku> lol
[06:25] <Minataku> Real Linux doesn't have a kmenu
[06:25] <spawn57> hehe
[06:25] <Minataku> XD
[06:26] <newlinuxguy> <------
[06:26] <Minataku> Though in reality, Linux is nothing more than the kernel
[06:26] <Jucato> newlinuxguy: in Kubuntu, you have System Settings instead of KControl
[06:26] <manchicken> Minataku: Real linux is just the kernel.  It doesn't have any really usable interface.
[06:26] <intelikey> newlinuxguy yes  you can right click the kmenu or task bar and configure it  to show all some or very little of the possable menu itoms
[06:26] <Minataku> Yeah
[06:26] <Minataku> lol
[06:27] <Minataku> newlinuxguy: And you're already doing good making the first step
[06:27] <intelikey> newlinuxguy one thing you learn about kde is "RIGHT CLICK EVERYTING"  :)
[06:27] <Minataku> Let me guess, one look at Vista and you were sold... on Linux :D
[06:27] <K-Ryan> lol it's true, what intelikey said
[06:27] <manchicken> Minataku: Even the shell is a program having nothing to do with the kernel..
[06:27] <Minataku> manchicken: I know this
[06:27] <Minataku> I said that 2s before you did
[06:27] <Minataku> lol
[06:28] <zen> !adeptfix
[06:28] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[06:28] <K-Ryan> Manchicken, how would I go about implementing an image viewer into frostwire?
[06:28] <K-Ryan> or any program for that matter
[06:28] <K-Ryan> konqueror, you know
[06:28] <zen> this command fixed it only once when i reboot still tells me another application is using adept
[06:28] <K-Ryan> just for ease
[06:28] <Minataku> manchicken: I'm a Gentoo user, I know my way around Linux very well
[06:28] <K-Ryan> I figure frostwire has a nice tab system
[06:28] <Minataku> Both the Linux kernel and it's more-or-less GNU userland
[06:28] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Well, you could embed kaffeine...
[06:29] <K-Ryan> kaffeine does images too?
[06:29] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Oh, you said images...
[06:29] <manchicken> K-Ryan: I thought you said video for some insane reason that makes no sense.
[06:29] <Minataku> lol
[06:29] <intelikey> Minataku & manchicken i'll go you one better even init/upstart is an app having nothing to do with the kernel other than the kernel is programed to call that when it first loads.
[06:29] <K-Ryan> Nope
[06:29] <Minataku> Porn isn't all videos :D
[06:29] <K-Ryan> -.-
[06:29] <Minataku> XD
[06:29] <Dr_willis> audio porn!
[06:29] <manchicken> Minataku: Gentoo doesn't make you familiar with linux.  Hacking kernel code or GCC code makes you familiar with linux.
[06:29] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:29] <K-Ryan> I was waiting for someone to say what Minataku was getting at
[06:30] <K-Ryan> However, it's the tab thing I'm after
[06:30] <K-Ryan> not the naughty stuff
[06:30] <Minataku> manchicken: I configure my own kernels and have even assisted in troubleshooting
[06:30] <Minataku> Piyoko (my main Linux system) had an annoying ACPI bug
[06:30] <manchicken> Minataku: You can do that in any distro.  Having used Gentoo doesn't really mean any different there ;)
[06:30] <Minataku> Where acpi_os_allocate would allocate itself a slab then keep it
[06:31] <Minataku> Resulting in a slow memory leak much like a hypodermic needlehole in a tire
[06:31] <manchicken> K-Ryan: QPixmap is good for what you're doing.
[06:31] <newlinuxguy> i assume disabling artd will solve my problem then
[06:31] <newlinuxguy> 'lets see here...
[06:31] <Minataku> manchicken: I know, but what I'm saying is that I'm hardly new to any of this
[06:31] <zen> intel the command u told me fixed adept but just once and tryied to update java when i reboot got the same problem whit adept do
[06:31] <manchicken> K-Ryan: The Qt Assistant proggy is very useful.
[06:31] <Minataku> I just got lured in here by promises of free swag
[06:31] <zen> !adeptfix
[06:31] <Minataku> XD
[06:31] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[06:31] <prak> has anyone encountered problems with installing adobe flash 9 package on kubuntu edgy?
[06:32] <manchicken> Minataku: That's cool.  ^_^
[06:32] <K-Ryan> I have neither, but no matter, I'm not attempting it tonight, too late
[06:32] <manchicken> Minataku: Some Gentoo folks think that just because they're Gentoo folks that they're somehow more knowledgeable ^_^
[06:32] <Minataku> I just downloaded the Flash 9 tar.gz from Adobe
[06:32] <Dr_willis> !flash9
[06:32] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[06:32] <K-Ryan> Yeaaah....
[06:32] <K-Ryan> I was just about to say
[06:32] <intelikey> zen sounds like you are trying to install java through adept and you can't answer the EULA
[06:32] <Minataku> manchicken: Well, compared to the "I just switched" Kubuntu user, I am, but that's another part of why I'm here...
[06:32] <intelikey> try through the cli
[06:33] <Minataku> To help them become as knowledgeable as I am
[06:33] <zen> yes some thign like like that the update run but got stuck afther
[06:33] <Minataku> And breed more Linux users :D
[06:33] <K-Ryan> Let it breed like rabbits
[06:33] <zen> and when i try to run adept tells me again some other application is using it is there any thing i can do to fix?
[06:33] <manchicken> Minataku: Knowing where your knowledge isn't shows more wisdom than knowing where your knowledge is.
[06:34] <zen> 1 thing to do later is remove automatix
[06:34] <intelikey> sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[06:34] <manchicken> Minataku: And we should be training GNU users.  Just using the kernel won't help anybody.
[06:34] <Minataku> lol
[06:34] <Minataku> manchicken: Okay, enough confusing them
[06:34] <zen> ok that command worked once till reboot intel
[06:34] <manchicken> Minataku: Calling it "Linux" is what's confusing folks.
[06:34] <Minataku> "Linux is only the kernel" is advanced knowledge ;D
[06:34] <K-Ryan> GNU is the graphical part right?
[06:35] <intelikey> K-Ryan no
[06:35] <Minataku> K-Ryan: GNU is any application coded and maintaned by GNU
[06:35] <manchicken> K-Ryan: GNU is the core operating system, everything that sits ontop of the kernel.
[06:35] <intelikey> http://www.gnu.org
[06:35] <manchicken> K-Ryan: X is the GUI.
[06:35] <K-Ryan> Oh I get it
[06:35] <Minataku> manchicken: Not really
[06:35] <manchicken> And then KDE.
[06:35] <Minataku> GNU is the critical userland utilities
[06:35] <manchicken> Minataku: Name one program not in a dramatic way touched by GNU on a kubuntu system.
[06:36] <newlinuxguy> man this day has not felt better than winblows yet
[06:36] <zen> ok its updating java again let's hope dosen't crash
[06:36] <prak> dr_willis and ubotu, do I just type !flash9 and !backports?
[06:36] <newlinuxguy> hours of install (got a new cd-rom that did the trick) now a sound problem
[06:36] <newlinuxguy> hehe
[06:36] <newlinuxguy> :)
[06:36] <zen> u advise me to remove automatix afther intel?
[06:36] <newlinuxguy> I think I can I think I can
[06:36] <intelikey> Minataku actually one might say "gnu is the license that keeps the source code free"
[06:36] <Minataku> manchicken: I'm just saying that it's not technically correct to call it the core OS since really it's not the OS at all, that's the kernel
[06:36] <K-Ryan> Heh, that reminded me
[06:36] <Dr_willis> prak,  you READ the url the bot tells you when youy type that in here...
[06:36] <Minataku> Everything else runs on the OS
[06:36] <Minataku> lol
[06:36] <manchicken> Minataku: You're forgetting about ld, gcc, make, autotools, bintools, etc.
[06:36] <K-Ryan> I ordered 30 kubuntu cd's....
[06:36] <prak> !flash9
[06:36] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[06:37] <prak> !backports
[06:37] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[06:37] <K-Ryan> Distribute em at bestbuy, target, compusa, etc.
[06:37] <manchicken> Minataku: No, because a GNU OS can work with another kernel.
[06:37] <manchicken> Minataku: Linux isn't the only kernel that GNU will work with.
[06:37] <Minataku> A working system techically doesn't require compilers
[06:37] <Minataku> manchicken: I know this
[06:37] <prak> thanks, dr_willis
[06:37] <manchicken> Minataku: Really?  How else do you make the working system?
[06:37] <prak> didn't realize there's an info bot in this channel
[06:37] <Minataku> manchicken: Binary packages don't need compiling
[06:37] <Minataku> They're already compiled
[06:38] <manchicken> But they weren't always binary.
[06:38] <Minataku> No, but the end-user system technically requires no compilers
[06:39] <newlinuxguy> need coffee
[06:39] <newlinuxguy> vision blurry
[06:39] <manchicken> And without init (a GNU program), /bin/sh (a GNU program), and a linker, there would be no operating system.
[06:39] <newlinuxguy> patience waning
[06:39] <newlinuxguy> hehehe
[06:39] <Dr_willis> busybox-OS.
[06:39] <manchicken> Minataku: I actually think all systems should have compilers.
[06:39] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:39] <Minataku> It doesn't have to be a GNU version of it
[06:39] <spawn57> gotta love how kopete uses adium styles now
[06:39] <manchicken> Minataku: GNU is the only organization whose written any of these tools for a linux kernel thus far.
[06:39] <Minataku> manchicken: I do too, but they're not necessary if another system is used to premake everythig
[06:39] <Minataku> *everything
[06:40] <Minataku> As Dr_willis stated
[06:40] <newlinuxguy> okay disabled sound completely, hopefully i'll quit getting cpu erros so I can try to find how to disable art
[06:40] <Minataku> Busybox, which I don't think is a GNU joint
[06:40] <newlinuxguy> anyone want to ssh right on in to solve for me?
[06:40] <newlinuxguy> hehee
[06:40] <newlinuxguy> j/k
[06:40] <Minataku> manchicken: I'm just saying that the OS is only the absolute core, the rest is considered part of an OE
[06:40] <Minataku> Operating Environment
[06:40] <zen> how do u register a nick here?
[06:41] <Minataku> But yes, GNU is the biggest part of Linux
[06:41] <intelikey> is this a CS debate on what an OS is or a philosophical "end user" debate on that an OS is........    or  a help channel ?
[06:41] <manchicken> My argument is that it's more GNU than Linux.  Seems inappropriate to call it Linux.
[06:41] <Minataku> Which is why it's literal name is GNU/Linux
[06:41] <Jucato> ...
[06:41] <manchicken> intelikey: Technically it was answering a question.
[06:41] <Minataku> Though that tends to be confusing
[06:41] <Dr_willis> but callling it that sounds geeky.
[06:41] <K-Ryan> manchicken you guys have gone WAAAAAAY further than answering my questions =)
[06:42] <manchicken> Minataku: Only confusing because people are calling things by the wrong name.
[06:42] <intelikey> well in that case i'll drope a dime on it.   the os is linux the rest is fluff
[06:42] <manchicken> K-Ryan: You still started it ;)
[06:42] <Minataku> lol
[06:42] <K-Ryan> Did not! =(
[06:42] <manchicken> intelikey: Tell that to the linker.
[06:42] <Dr_willis> !info moo
[06:42] <ubotu> Package moo does not exist in any distro I know
[06:42] <Minataku> Sorry all the same, I should try harder not to get dragged into these kinds of things
[06:42] <Minataku> At least there was no scratching and biting in this one
[06:42] <Minataku> lol
[06:42] <intelikey> i aint a scar'd
[06:42] <matthew1429> someone just asked how to register
[06:42] <matthew1429> can you cut and paste
[06:43] <zen> any one knows how to register a nick?
[06:43] <Minataku> /msg nickserv help register
[06:43] <Jucato> !register | zen
[06:43] <ubotu> zen: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[06:43] <Dr_willis> - /msg nickserv help
[06:43] <K-Ryan> okay the linuxgames channel is dead silent
[06:43] <zen> ty
[06:43] <K-Ryan> anyone know of any online rpg games for linux?
[06:43] <Minataku> Or read all that, which is pretty much just useless Freenode policy
[06:43] <K-Ryan> or rather, anything online
[06:43] <Minataku> K-Ryan: Isn't there an RO client for Linux?
[06:43] <manchicken> K-Ryan: Have you been to happypenguin.org?
[06:43] <bxnp> try secondlife K-Ryan allthough not a game
[06:43] <surgy> k-ryan: check out opnce
[06:44] <intelikey> K-Ryan apt-cache search game | grep -ie rpg
[06:44] <manchicken> Is the GPL'ed secondlife available yet?
[06:44] <K-Ryan> secondlife i've tried, iffy
[06:44] <K-Ryan> RO is big and finding a free server then downloading all the stuff is a pain
[06:44] <bxnp> under linux K-Ryan
[06:44] <manchicken> !flash9
[06:44] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[06:44] <Jucato> manchicken: yes
[06:44] <K-Ryan> I was trying to get that done for my brother under windows and couldnt
[06:44] <Minataku> I don't think EVERYTHING needs to be free/open source
[06:44] <Jucato> I was playing it a few minutes ago
[06:45] <bxnp> cause there ia a new alpha for second life
[06:45] <Jucato> s/playing/running
[06:45] <Dr_willis> every time i go play SecondLife... i fail to see the point.. :)
[06:45] <bxnp> manchicken, i dont think there will everbe a gpl-ed version of the socondlife
[06:45] <intelikey> """<Minataku> I don't think EVERYTHING needs to be free/open source""""
[06:45] <Minataku> I don't go by the horrible Debian standards
[06:45] <manchicken> bxnp: There is a GPL'ed version of SecondLife.
[06:45] <bxnp> but do you guys play it under linux
[06:46] <Jucato> bxnp: yes
[06:46] <bxnp> oh oke
[06:46] <Jucato> there's a Linux client
[06:46] <bxnp> and how is it running good
[06:46] <manchicken> Minataku: I disagree with you on that one.  I think freedom should be universal.
[06:46] <Jucato> bxnp: yep
[06:46] <manchicken> Minataku: But that's a conversation for #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:46] <Minataku> intelikey: Personally, if they would give us the same level of support, I'd be fine with proprietary apps on Linux
[06:46] <intelikey> manchicken helps intelikey stone the blasphemer
[06:46] <K-Ryan> I love how I changed the topic from Gnu/Linux to games
[06:47] <manchicken> Jucato: Killjoy ;)
[06:47] <manchicken> Jucato: I finished the adept_batch changes.
[06:47] <Jucato> yeah. I saw the mail
[06:47] <manchicken> Jucato: Now I'm without anything to do.
[06:47] <matthew1429> okay, the forums all point to stuff that is inacessible
[06:47] <Jucato> lol
[06:47] <manchicken> And I don't really care to do the software-properties port.
[06:47] <matthew1429> my hardware/advanced key is grayed out for some reaosn
[06:47] <Minataku> But as it stands, I'm more against the fact that they ignore us and assume we're nothing but thieves because we value our freedom
[06:47] <manchicken> I've already finished all of the adept C++ changes.
[06:47] <matthew1429> anyone have an idea?
[06:48] <matthew1429> just trying to disable the art server and hopefully the kernel will take over
[06:48] <Minataku> The last thing I'm ever gonna take is an RMS-style viewpoint
[06:48] <Minataku> Sorry to continue in here but the offtopic channel is useless
[06:48] <Dr_willis> matthew1429,  often theres an 'administrator' mode button at the bottom thats hidden. resize/maxamize the window
[06:48] <manchicken> Minataku: That doesn't mean it's okay.  I'll continue this discussion in #kubuntu-offtopic, but not here ^_^
[06:48] <matthew1429> okay, thanks
[06:49] <distro-tester> well intel everything crashed here when it tryies to update jave from adept afther i run the command u told stops at 8 %
[06:50] <intelikey> Minataku heh you mean you don't feel you have a big enough audance in #ubuntu-offtopic      that's sad...
[06:50] <matthew1429> willis, are you talking about in the sound window?
[06:50] <matthew1429> bah
[06:50] <distro-tester> maby i should reinstall kubuntu thanx to automatix
[06:50] <Minataku> intelikey: I mean shifting it to there usually kills it outright
[06:50] <Dr_willis> distro-tester,  you dont need to use automatix to install java.
[06:51] <Minataku> Not to mention that people involved in here aren't in there to continue it
[06:51] <intelikey> Minataku you can rant in there all you want.
[06:51] <Dr_willis> distro-tester,  but it may be a good idea to start over.
[06:51] <manchicken> !flash9
[06:51] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[06:51] <manchicken> !backports
[06:51] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[06:51] <intelikey> Minataku did you ever think that we may not want to continue it ?
[06:51] <ForgeAus> if I get VMware server the .rpm is (slightly smaller) can I allien that and install it as a .deb?
[06:51] <Minataku> I figured that we were having an intelligent debate
[06:52] <Minataku> Not every discussion is a flame war
[06:52] <intelikey> think again
[06:52] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  you can install it easier with the tar.gz
[06:52] <Minataku> But that's for another argument
[06:52] <Minataku> I'm sorry all the same, I'll shift the offtopic to offtopic
[06:52] <ForgeAus> is alien difficult?
[06:52] <intelikey> thank you.
[06:52] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  no idea.. i wouldne tuse alien to install vmware server.
[06:52] <ForgeAus> ok why not?
[06:53] <Jucato> intelligent debates are more than welcome in #kubuntu-offtopic... but keep in mind the CoC even in debates. thanks
[06:53] <Dr_willis> the tar.gz is fairly easy to get going.. if you got the other dependencise installed.
[06:53] <Dr_willis> !alien
[06:53] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[06:53] <ForgeAus> if alien makes a .deb out of it I should contrib it!
[06:53] <ForgeAus> its dangerous?
[06:53] <ForgeAus> hmm so now they tell me
[06:53] <ForgeAus> what if I get rpm?
[06:53] <Jucato> it's quite dangerous because RPM's are packaged differently from DEB's
[06:54] <Dr_willis> if alien made debs were accepted to contribs... that would be a VERY scary thing
[06:54] <intelikey> ForgeAus why sould you get rpms ?
[06:54] <distro-tester> dr willis problem is this when i try to run adept tells me another application is using it and to close that first thign not true if i run the adept command fix in console it fixes it and tryies to update java from adpet bu then get's stuck
[06:54] <K-Ryan> if a deb isnt availbile
[06:54] <benklop> so ubuntu : debian :: mandriva : redhat ?
[06:54] <ForgeAus> I should or would?
[06:54] <intelikey> would
[06:54] <K-Ryan> *available
[06:54] <K-Ryan> It's too late for me to be typing
[06:54] <Jucato> if a deb isn't available, it would still be safer to compile from source than use RPM
[06:54] <intelikey> package name K-Ryan ?
[06:54] <ForgeAus> grrr its SMALLER (not by much but  your making me download something bigger just because its more what generic?
[06:55] <K-Ryan> Yes Jucato, I was just thinking that myself
[06:55] <K-Ryan> intelikey, what do you mean?
[06:55] <ForgeAus> so basically your telling me redhat and debian aren't comaptible? lol
[06:55] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  because its... known to work...
[06:55] <intelikey> is that a hypothetical answer or do you have a package in mind ?
[06:55] <K-Ryan> yes ForgeAus
[06:55] <Jucato> ForgeAus: yes
[06:55] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  and the alien/rpm trick may or may not work...
[06:55] <ForgeAus> whats the likelyhood?
[06:56] <Jucato> ForgeAus: it has always been so
[06:56] <intelikey> ForgeAus they arent
[06:56] <K-Ryan> intelikey I was just thinking he might of gone for an rpm because there wasn't a deb
[06:56] <Jucato> RPM and DEB have never been binary compatible
[06:56] <ForgeAus> Kryan exactly
[06:56] <intelikey> so hypothetical     then if that happens we'll address it.
[06:57] <ForgeAus> if alien works and I can make a .deb out of it, maybe I should contrib one!
[06:57] <Jucato> ForgeAus: but still, it would be safer to compile it from source than use an RPM
[06:57] <K-Ryan> ForgeAus like Jucato said
[06:57] <ForgeAus> of if I get the tar.gz can I make a .deb out of that?
[06:57] <Jucato> ForgeAus: contrib to where? it would never be accepted
[06:57] <Dr_willis> vmware-server has a few complex things it does.
[06:57] <K-Ryan> Get the source then compile it to a .deb then contribute that
[06:57] <intelikey> ForgeAus but you may have a binarry that was compiled with a different glibc  and thus unstable on this sustem
[06:57] <ForgeAus> well THERE SHOULD BE A .DEB I can get! rofl
[06:57] <Dr_willis> and it compiles modules for the kernel i recall.
[06:57] <intelikey> system
[06:58] <Jucato> yes... a DEB from an RPM would not be accepted by any decent Debian-based distro
[06:58] <Dr_willis> so any precmade packages would have to do quite a bit of work i think.
[06:58] <intelikey> it's not the smart thing to do.
[06:58] <ForgeAus> you guys wanna make things more difficult not easier
[06:58] <ForgeAus> this sux
[06:58] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  you DO realize that i could of allready had vmware-server installed by this time its taken you to argue about this.
[06:58] <ForgeAus> DrWillis I'm still downloading it
[06:58] <Jucato> ForgeAus: not really... you're making it more difficult for yourself... What are you really trying to do?
[06:58] <K-Ryan> Jucato but if you made a DEB from the source, wouldn't that be okay?
[06:59] <ForgeAus> but nwo I had to cancle the d/l I had
[06:59] <surgy> k-ryan: come back to linuxgames my mans got some links
[06:59] <Jucato> K-Ryan: depends on how the deb was built
[06:59] <intelikey> ForgeAus you can do anything you want to do with your penguin....  just don't blame us when you kill it.
[06:59] <Jucato> K-Ryan: Ubuntu and Debian have somewhat different packaging rules/procedures
[06:59] <K-Ryan> Oh
[06:59] <ForgeAus> jucato.. make it easy so I don't need to dearchive build, etc etc manually... I just wanna make something easier
[07:00] <ForgeAus> I know .tar.gz's are simply archived files nothing treats them like packages does it?
[07:00] <Jucato> ForgeAus: the thing is, you can convert an RPM to DEB and install it on *your* system, but don't contribute it to someone else's
[07:00] <Dr_willis> and it might even work!
[07:00] <ForgeAus> why not make a deb to contribute, if someone else had have done it before I could have got a .deb instead of having this conversation!
[07:00] <intelikey> and it might not break things
[07:00] <Jucato> ForgeAus: those .tar.gz's contain source code that you have to compile. if you want to build .deb packages out of the source code for distribution/contribution, you have to follow some procedures
[07:00] <Dr_willis> slackware uses tar.gzs for its simple package system.
[07:01] <ForgeAus> jucato I know they contain source code
[07:01] <Jucato> Dr_willis: they use .tgz's
[07:01] <ForgeAus> what procedures?
[07:01] <ForgeAus> is any of it automated?
[07:01] <ForgeAus> slackware used .tgz's
[07:02] <Jucato> ForgeAus: "why not make a deb to contribute," <--- because if you don't follow proper building/packaging procedures, you risk damaging other people's systems, specially with alien'ed RPM's
[07:02] <ForgeAus> so you don't simply CONVERT a .tar.gz to a .deb you run through some steps....
[07:02] <Jucato> ForgeAus: and you don't simply convert an RPM to DEB then spread it around
[07:02] <ForgeAus> Jucato sure I can see how that would be a bad thing... I'm not out to damage anything...
[07:03] <ForgeAus> jucato we're talking about software here right?...
[07:03] <Jucato> ForgeAus: you may not intend it. but doesn't mean it may not happen. that's why Debian has a packaging manual
[07:03] <ForgeAus> I don't see whats making it so difficult
[07:03] <intelikey> ForgeAus yes a ficticious package
[07:03] <Jucato> yes we are talking about software
[07:04] <ForgeAus> what's so hard about something scanning through an RPM to find if something won't work on a debian system and replacing it with the debian equivalent?
[07:04] <ForgeAus> its just data
[07:04] <Jucato> ForgeAus: RPM was made for RPM-based systems, not DEB-based systems. alien is a "hack", an unofficial, unsupported, non-standard way of converting an RPM to a DEB. it has the risk of not only not working, but also ruining the stability of your system.
[07:04] <intelikey> there is nothing "so difficult" about tar -xf filename.tgz ;cd filename ;./configure && make && sudo make install
[07:05] <ForgeAus> intelikey, firstly I have to make sure I type all that correctly on the command line
[07:05] <ForgeAus> (much more difficult than rightclicking a .deb and clicking install)...
[07:05] <Dr_willis> whats so hard about computers 'its just data'  :)
[07:05] <intelikey> and that's enough to switch back to windows over.... just ask you.
[07:05] <ForgeAus> DrWillis, programs that are built by people to MAKE it harder lol!
[07:06] <ForgeAus> intelikey, but I don't understand! there are .debs you can do it with, why not make/use them?
[07:06] <Jucato> ForgeAus: like I said, there is nothing wrong if you want to do that for *your* system. just don't go contributing/recommending that .deb to others. or if you insist on doing so, tell them that it was an RPM turned into a DEB using alien
[07:06] <ForgeAus> grr Jucato your missing the point... your pointing out it can be incompatible, not recomended, etc...
[07:07] <ForgeAus> I'm not d/ling the rpm anymore anyway...
[07:07] <ForgeAus> (you got that point across long ago)
[07:07] <ForgeAus> I'm just annoyed that I have to go through other steps instead of doing something what should be a simple way
[07:07] <intelikey> ForgeAus that was my point to begin with.   you keep claiming there is the imagenary package the exists in tgz and rpm form but not in deb form   what package is that ?
[07:07] <wgw> good evening
[07:07] <wgw> I just installed Ubuntu from the LXF88 DVD, and KDE and XFCE were included
[07:07] <ForgeAus> tgz? I didn't say anything about a .tgz someone else bought that up the only comment I made is that slackware uses that package format
[07:08] <wgw> but doesn't seem to be much in terms of artwork for them, and the UI of XFCE wasn't configured
[07:08] <matthew1429> sigh
[07:08] <Jucato> ForgeAus: who/what are you annoyed at? ask the author of the app to provide a .deb package. ask someone to package you one. request the Ubuntu devs to package it for you...
[07:08] <wgw> should I just download the kubuntu packages and install them, or is this plain vanilla KDE the extent of Kubuntu?
[07:08] <matthew1429> does anyone know how ot turn off a soundserver in control center?
[07:08] <Dr_willis> wgw,  fire up the package manager and search for 'artwork' perhaps.
[07:08] <matthew1429> is it under services or something?
[07:08] <ForgeAus> so what I don't get is why hasn't anyone made a .deb out of the .tar.gz thats known to work then?
[07:08] <prak> i've tried to install flash-plugin-nonfree from adept, but it keeps on mentioning that it failed to install
[07:08] <Dr_willis> wgw,  dont 'just download' use the package manager tools
[07:08] <wgw> oh hey Dr Willis
[07:08] <intelikey> Jucato he just wants to whine.
[07:08] <prak> does anyone have a suggestion to solve that problem?
[07:09] <intelikey> prak what's the error message ?
[07:09] <Jucato> ForgeAus: what is that app? how well is it known? who is the author? there are literally tens of thousands of available apps. you can't expect each and everyone of them to be packaged or even included in the repos
[07:09] <intelikey> prak try it in konsole ?
[07:09] <ForgeAus> intelikey... computers are meant to be about making life easier... sure my point is a principal thing ... but I cant see that a .tar.gz is in any way easier than a .deb would be...
[07:10] <matthew1429> sigh
[07:10] <ForgeAus> in fact someone relatively new anyone in fact that knows what a .tar.gz is but nothing much else would know its an archive but not know what to do about it...
[07:10] <intelikey> !offtopic
[07:10] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:10] <ForgeAus> a .deb is much more usable for a kubuntu user
[07:10] <Hirvinen> wgw: Try the package kubuntu-desktop?
[07:10] <Jucato> ForgeAus: compiling from source is not easier than installing a .deb. but it's much safer and recommended than using an rpm and converting it to deb *if and only if* a deb does not exist
[07:11] <wgw> ok
[07:11] <Jucato> anyway... this is getting really -offtopic
[07:11] <wgw> I will say though that everything else seems quite nice- I had used Dapper previously and liked it
[07:11] <Dr_willis> and given that vmware-server has to compile some kernel modules and asks a dozen+ questions....
[07:11] <ForgeAus> jucato, how can you say that?.... easier for what/who?
[07:12] <praetor> is there a guide for flash9 on edgy?
[07:12] <Jucato> ForgeAus: read that again. I said *NOT* easier but safer and recommended *THAN* alien
[07:12] <Jucato> !flash9 | praetor
[07:12] <ubotu> praetor: flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[07:12] <ForgeAus> Dr Willis I havn't tried isntalling it yet I didn't know it asked so much
[07:12] <Dr_willis> the 'ubuntu' hacks book has a chapter on installing vmware-server also.
[07:12] <ForgeAus> Jucato, I told you I'm not going to use alien anymore...
[07:13] <Jucato> ForgeAus: I know. I'm just explaining "why"
[07:13] <phiqtion> how can in completely remove kubuntu-desktop? it's nearly 450mb!!!!!
[07:13] <Dr_willis> phiqtion,  actually its NOT..
[07:13] <ForgeAus> also it means I have to waste more transfer having to download a bigger file with a .tar.gz
[07:13] <Jucato> ForgeAus: I'm also explaining that it's almost impossible to have a .deb and an .rpm for every software out there
[07:13] <Dr_willis> kubuntu-desktop is a meta-package that just lists what other packages are there.
[07:13] <Dr_willis> that way you just install the one package and it 'grabs' the rest
[07:13] <intelikey> phiqtion it's only 0k  but the deps are huge.
[07:14] <ForgeAus> lol inteli :) yeah
[07:14] <benklop> hello
[07:14] <wgw> well  the Synaptic Package Manager sure beats the living crap out of Yast
[07:14] <phiqtion> intelikey: how can i remove it with the deps
[07:14] <wgw> I'll say that for it
[07:14] <wgw> dang that was nice
[07:14] <wgw> and previously (after using Mandriva and Red Hat), I thought Yast was da bomb
[07:14] <benklop> i'm following the kubuntu howto guide from thwe wiki, and i cant seem to get libxine-extracodecs...
[07:14] <wgw> woo
[07:14] <ForgeAus> Jucato, sure and being a company VMware mostly use some redhat distro ... which figures why theres a .rpm....
[07:14] <matthew1429> plz pm me (im registered) if you have a clue how to disable the art sound server
[07:14] <matthew1429> nothing else is working
[07:14] <benklop> the desktopguide
[07:14] <ForgeAus> still that doesn't explain why there is no .deb available...
[07:14] <Jucato> benklop: you need to enable the multiverse repository
[07:15] <wgw> i'm running in VMWare now, and everything is fine
[07:15] <Jucato> ForgeAus: you have to ask them that.
[07:15] <phiqtion> intelikey: btw bro, i installed it yesterday. and i cant log into it because it says something about kde startup not found. any thoughts?
[07:15] <wgw> RHEL is actually a pain in VMWare
[07:15] <Jucato> ForgeAus: *they* are the ones who made the .rpm
[07:15] <ForgeAus> or why you seemt o be so anti .deb when we're talking about a kubuntu environment!
[07:15] <wgw> although not as bbad as Solaris
[07:15] <Jucato> ForgeAus: who said anything anti-DEB?
[07:15] <benklop> Jucato: i thiought i had.. sorry
[07:15] <wgw> I'm not anti-deb at all
[07:15] <praetor> !backports
[07:15] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[07:16] <praetor> Jucato: cheers
[07:16] <prak> here's the pastebin of the error message, intelikey
[07:16] <wgw> although I am hoping that the FSG or whatever its called addresses package manager standardization soon
[07:16] <prak> http://pastebin.ca/323292
[07:16] <matthew1429> sigh
[07:16] <wgw> Linux needs one standard packaging format, used consistently across all distros, to be able to take on Windows on the desktop
[07:16] <matthew1429> i have to say
[07:16] <Jucato> wgw: they're trying to... but it's gonna take quite a while and some effor
[07:16] <ForgeAus> grrrr .... then why u putting every block you can think of to FORCE me to use a .tar.gz?
[07:16] <intelikey> phiqtion 'startkde'   yeah it's not installed propperly.
[07:16] <matthew1429> linux needs to support my sound
[07:16] <matthew1429> out of the box
[07:17] <matthew1429> says me
[07:17] <matthew1429> lol
[07:17] <wgw> well since yum, urpmi and Yast suck, why not just deprecate them and standardize around the .deb format?
[07:17] <Jucato> ForgeAus: I am not forcing you. I'm just concerned about the part where you want to contribute a DEB you alien'ed from an RPM.
[07:17] <ForgeAus> hehe wgw I agree
[07:17] <Dr_willis> wgw,  then someone else will come out with somthing new a week later.
[07:17] <intelikey> phiqtion there is a package.   i'm trying to remember the name of it.....  give me a sec.
[07:17] <Jucato> ForgeAus: other than that, I can only recommend what you want to do with your system. the choice is yours
[07:17] <phiqtion> intelikey: sure will
[07:17] <Dr_willis> pagkage management/installing/removal/dependencies - is a very very very - interesting and complex task.
[07:17] <wgw> Ubuntu is probably going to be the distro that takes Linux to the consumer desktop, so its probably not a big deal anyway
[07:18] <wgw> although Mandriva is also quite good at that IMO
[07:18] <ForgeAus> Jucato it wasn't about aliening it... that was just to save space ... I didn't know there were compatibility problems ... it looked like the best option at the time
[07:18] <matthew1429> can anyone see me asking for information how to turn off the arts soundserver so I stop getting the msg sound server fatal error cpu overload?
[07:18] <matthew1429> the forums are not turning up any help or my searchs are not strong
[07:18] <Jucato> ForgeAus: sometimes, it is the only option. there are some apps there that don't have a .deb and don't have the source code...
[07:19] <Jucato> ForgeAus: I was just really concerned about the "contrib" part of your statement.
[07:19] <Jucato> ForgeAus: other than that. go for it! :)
[07:19] <wgw> btw stupid n00b question: in Ubuntu, how do I run xnest?
[07:19] <Jucato> just always remember the "dangerous" part
[07:19] <Jucato> wgw: from Konsole?
[07:19] <wgw> ok
[07:19] <ForgeAus> Jucato, I'm not trying to do anything dangerous ok?
[07:19] <wgw> not working
[07:19] <ForgeAus> Xnest doesn't work under kubuntu does it?
[07:19] <Jucato> ForgeAus: I've been using it
[07:20] <ForgeAus> thats wierd
[07:20] <intelikey> phiqtion i think   sudo apt-get remove --purge gamin*    may be what you want.
[07:20] <Jucato> and a Kubuntu/KDE dev has been using it as well
[07:20] <prak> has anyone encounterred the problem similar to http://pastebin.ca/323292 of not being able to install adobe flash 9 plugin for firefox?
[07:20] <ForgeAus> hmmm ok
[07:20] <wgw> I'm getting a command not found when attempting to boot it from konsole
[07:20] <intelikey> you can look through the list that produses and answer accordingly
[07:20] <wgw> ah crap I'll just start a new login
[07:20] <Jucato> wgw: xnest?
[07:20] <Jucato> wgw: did you install it already?
[07:21] <wgw> OOOOH
[07:21] <wgw> its not installed by default?
[07:21] <Jucato> wgw: of course not :P
[07:21] <wgw> it IS in Suse :-P
[07:21] <ForgeAus> I used it in Zenlinux
[07:21] <ForgeAus> it was awesome
[07:21] <Jucato> this is NOT Suse :P
[07:21] <wgw> sheesh, what kind of distro doesn't install Xnest by default fer cryin out loud mumbles
[07:21] <phiqtion> intelikey: what will that do?
[07:21] <ForgeAus> do all the root stuff in a nested X-server and do all your user stuff in the main desktop
[07:21] <Jucato> wgw: we don't need 5 CD's to install :P
[07:21] <ForgeAus> GGRRRRR I'm going to go crazy!
[07:22] <ForgeAus> broken download now :(
[07:22] <wgw> my installation had an entire DVD
[07:22] <Jucato> wgw: the kind of distro that believes that normal desktop users don't need a nested X :P
[07:22] <wgw> same way I got SLED
[07:22] <ForgeAus> see why I wanted to save space? (prolly woulda broken anyway)
[07:22] <wgw> well I disagree, I think XNest is extremely useful for providing a convenient way to run multiple logins
[07:22] <wgw> that kind of minimalism is why Windows sucks, IMO
[07:22] <Jucato> wgw: "normal" users won't even have anything to use it for
[07:23] <jean> windows rules
[07:23] <Jucato> wgw: they can always use "Switch User" for multiple logins
[07:23] <ForgeAus> yeah kubuntu doesn't seem to NEED Xnest but I still think its kewl :
[07:23] <wgw> Switch User takes for ever
[07:23] <Jucato> wgw: if Switch User takes forever, how much more a nested X?
[07:23] <Jucato> all depends on your hardware
[07:23] <benklop> Jucato: i have multiverse everywhere i have universe in my sources ... i still cannot seem to apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[07:23] <Jucato> benklop: I think you enabled the wrong multiverse
[07:24] <jean> alguien habla espanol?
[07:24] <wgw> and dang it if Xnest isn't on the DVD
[07:24] <Jucato> benklop: can you pastebin your sources.list?
[07:24] <wgw> arghh
[07:24] <Jucato> !pastebin | benklop
[07:24] <ubotu> benklop: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:24] <Jucato> !es | jean
[07:24] <ubotu> jean: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[07:24] <jean> ?????
[07:24] <Jucato> wgw: are you sure?
[07:24] <intelikey> phiqtion "<phiqtion> how can in completely remove kubuntu-desktop?  <phiqtion> intelikey: how can i remove it with the deps <<<< <intelikey> phiqtion  sudo apt-get remove --purge gamin
[07:24] <wgw> yes
[07:24] <Jucato> wgw: it should be there. it's in main
[07:25] <jean> solo queria saber si alguien sabia espanol, das ist alles
[07:25] <Jucato> !info xnest
[07:25] <ubotu> xnest: Nested X server. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.1.1-0ubuntu12.1 (edgy), package size 1295 kB, installed size 3436 kB
[07:25] <ForgeAus> yup Xnest didn't work
[07:25] <ForgeAus> said fatal server error
[07:25] <wgw> LXF must have removed it from the DVD to cram in the other stuff they like to distribute
[07:25] <ForgeAus> that server is already active for display 0
[07:25] <benklop> Jucato: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2393/
[07:25] <wgw> its a dual layer DVD, and one side of it was devoted to Fedora,
[07:25] <wgw> so you can guess what happened to Ubuntu
[07:25] <intelikey> phiqtion i'm not sure that will get them all.  i can look for another dependancy that might help clean the system even more.
[07:25] <wgw> alas
[07:26] <wgw> I personally don't get the hype around Fedora, I've used RHEL 4 and it was rather pathetic
[07:26] <phiqtion> intelikey: how can i reinstall kde correctly?
[07:26] <wgw> and I'm not sure what Fedora could possibly have that would be at all redeeming
[07:26] <Jucato> benklop: did you sudo apt-get update before looking for libxine-extracodecs?
[07:26] <Jucato> benklop: you also have lots of duplicated repositories...
[07:26] <benklop> Jucato: yes i did
[07:26] <wgw> bbl
[07:27] <thisguy> hi all
[07:27] <Jucato> wow.. so much repositories...you need all of that?
[07:27] <thisguy> got a strange problem, maybe someone can help
[07:27] <benklop> Jucato: thats because i used the auto sources build thing on ubuntu.org to make sure i didnt miss something... i was going to clean it up later
[07:28] <thisguy> the first time I logged in to kubuntu everything went fine, but since then, whenever I try and log in, the screen changes and acts as if it is about to log in, but goes back to the login screen
[07:28] <Jucato> benklop: sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs ?
[07:29] <matthew1429> register help
[07:29] <matthew1429> !register
[07:29] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[07:29] <matthew1429> that url is not helpful
[07:29] <matthew1429> lol
[07:29] <matthew1429> sigh
[07:29] <Jucato> benklop: I'm also thinking that the duplicate repositories might be causing a problem
[07:29] <benklop> Jucato: yes
[07:29] <benklop> Jucato: apt-get mentions it will ignore the duplicates
[07:29] <Jucato> matthew1429:  /msg nickserv register <password>
[07:30] <ForgeAus> cyas later
[07:30] <Jucato> benklop: hm... what's the exact error message when you try to install libxine-extracodecs?
[07:30] <benklop> but also i get the error "Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)" earlier on in response to us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/multiverse/source/Sources.bz2
[07:30] <benklop> when i'm trying to update apt-get
[07:31] <benklop> er apt-get update
[07:31] <Jucato> benklop: oh lol I didn't see you're using US server
[07:31] <Jucato> try to change from us. to something else, like gb. or uk. or just plain archive.ubuntu.com
[07:31] <benklop> is that thew issue?
[07:31] <Jucato> might be...
[07:31] <benklop> ok, will try
[07:31] <mena> hi all is there anti-viruswich can catch apps mobile virus
[07:31] <mena> which*
[07:32] <mena> ?
[07:32] <K-Ryan> !gzip
[07:32] <ubotu> gzip: The GNU compression utility. In component main, is required. Version 1.3.5-14ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 71 kB, installed size 228 kB
[07:33] <K-Ryan> gah
[07:33] <prak> has anyone encounterred the problem similar to http://pastebin.ca/323292 of not being able to install adobe flash 9 plugin for firefox?
[07:33] <prak> !firefox
[07:33] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[07:34] <benklop> Jucato: why would a US server be an issue?
[07:35] <Jucato> benklop: dunno really.... but I've encountered a lot of people having that kind of problem (not finding packages even with the proper repositories) which were only resolved after switching servers
[07:35] <mena> Freinds What if i conect my Memory card to the computer and its contain a virus which is runnig on smart phons is there an anti-virus for linux can catch them
[07:35] <benklop> hum.... legal perhaps?
[07:35] <Jucato> hardly
[07:35] <Jucato> the official ubuntu repos does not contain legally questionable software
[07:36] <Jucato> that's why w32codecs is not included
[07:36] <mena> No idea
[07:37] <Jucato> mena: not really sure. afaik, mobile phone viruses are quite different from your regular PC virus
[07:38] <mena> i know but on Xp anti-viruses Like Kasper Can Catch them
[07:38] <mena> Sp ypu thiink There is no Solution FOr that on the pc
[07:38] <mena> So You*
[07:38] <Jucato> mena: check out the websites of AVG or ClamAV, they might have info
[07:39] <mena> okay i will see
[07:39] <mena> thanks For Your Help
[07:41] <kkosmo> somone can help me why when i kill beryl all the linux stuck and i cant keep working?
[07:41] <benklop> Jucato: well, that seemed to do it...
[07:41] <K-Ryan> !daimonin
[07:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about daimonin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:41] <Jucato> kkosmo: ask the guys in #ubuntu-xgl
[07:42] <benklop> Jucato: i also modified a web blocker i have upstream to not block anything with "ubuntu" in the url
[07:42] <prak> !firefox
[07:42] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[07:42] <CaseyOmah> I have a computer running Edgy prerelease (2 days before release) should I install Edgy full or Feisty?
[07:45] <K-Ryan> can anyone help me install daimonin? (www.daimonin.net)
[07:47] <CaseyOmah> !css
[07:47] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[07:48] <jarn> Is it possible to have xorg and xfree86 installed at the same time?
[07:55] <sfPavel> where can i find a free book on unsing kubuntu?
[07:57] <matthew1429> hey guys
[07:57] <matthew1429> :)
[07:57] <matthew1429> anyone know how to install sox audio?
[07:57] <matthew1429> wait
[07:57] <matthew1429> lemme google first
[07:57] <matthew1429> for good measure
[07:57] <Jucato> matthew1429: sudo apt-get install sox
[07:58] <matthew1429> sudo apt-get install sox # sudo apt-ge
[07:58] <matthew1429> woo hoo
[07:58] <matthew1429> thanks jucato
[07:59] <matthew1429> I even found that one with google
[07:59] <matthew1429> hehe
[07:59] <matthew1429> okay
[07:59] <Jucato> you could also use Adept if you wanted :)
[08:00] <matthew1429> you have to run sudo from sheell dont you
[08:00] <matthew1429> alt f2 doesnt like it
[08:00] <Jucato> matthew1429: er.... you do know how to install software on Kubuntu, right?
[08:01] <matthew1429> again
[08:01] <matthew1429> my first day
[08:01] <matthew1429> I think I'll try adept
[08:01] <Jucato> aaah
[08:01] <matthew1429> sudo said it would be moved
[08:02] <matthew1429> sudo said package sox not available
[08:02] <Jucato> matthew1429: you type the sudo apt-get command in Konsole. in Adept, you have a GUI for doing that
[08:02] <Jucato> matthew1429: are you on Dapper or Edgy?
[08:03] <matthew1429> im on edgy
[08:03] <matthew1429> im in adept now
[08:03] <matthew1429> and sox returned no results
[08:03] <matthew1429> brb
[08:03] <matthew1429> lemme look around
[08:04] <Jucato> hm...
[08:04] <Eruantalon> it is in universe
[08:04] <Jucato> matthew1429: can you check if your universe repository is enabled?
[08:04] <Jucato> !universe | matthew1429
[08:04] <ubotu> matthew1429: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:04] <Jucato> (it should be enabled by default... which is what puzzles me)
[08:05] <gecko> hey all
[08:06] <blindside_> how to install RPMs?
[08:06] <blindside_> is there a way?
[08:06] <Eruantalon> Jucato: Why should it be enabled by default?
[08:06] <Eruantalon> blindside, Yes but why?
[08:06] <blindside_> i need to
[08:06] <Jucato> Eruantalon: in Edgy, it is
[08:06] <blindside_> is it hard
[08:06] <Jucato> it's not recommended
[08:06] <blindside_> o ok
[08:07] <blindside_> screw it
[08:07] <Eruantalon> blindside_: What progrma do you need?
[08:08] <mena> Hey Is Avg More Better Than CalmAv
[08:08] <mena> AVG*
[08:08] <Eruantalon> mena: I would say that they are different
[08:08] <matthew1429> okay
[08:09] <Eruantalon> But I don't use any antivirus
[08:09] <matthew1429> yeah, universe
[08:09] <[Amigo] > Hi people! Any body know QT video editor (as Kino on GTK) ????
[08:09] <matthew1429> doesn't come enabled by default
[08:09] <matthew1429> in kubuntu
[08:09] <matthew1429> according to that link you gave me
[08:09] <matthew1429> i had to enable it
[08:09] <matthew1429> okay
[08:09] <matthew1429> using adept
[08:09] <Eruantalon> There you go
[08:09] <mena> Eruantalon, Okay
[08:11] <Jucato> that page is a bit outdated...
[08:12] <Eruantalon> Jucato: the wiki is outdated?
[08:12] <Eruantalon> that sounds like an oxymoron
[08:12] <Jucato> that page may be
[08:12] <Eruantalon> [Amigo] : http://www.linuxeq.com/
[08:12] <Jucato> because afaik and iirc, universe is already enabled by default in Edgy
[08:13] <Eruantalon> search for kino and the others will popup.
[08:13] <ubuntu> hello
[08:13] <Eruantalon> Though it doesn't seem that kdenlive is in repos...
[08:13] <Eruantalon> ubuntu: hello
[08:13] <ubuntu> I am Italian
[08:14] <[Amigo] > Eruantalon: tnx, I found Kdenlive on QT, tnx!!!
[08:14] <ubuntu> i have a big proble with my lap top
[08:14] <matthew1429> i just broke my adept cherry
[08:14] <matthew1429> yayyy
[08:14] <Jucato> cherry?
[08:14] <Jucato> matthew1429: how exactly did you break it?
[08:14] <Eruantalon> ubuntu. Ok state your problem.
[08:15] <ubuntu> my hard disk not function, it-s deads
[08:15] <matthew1429> by actually successfully using the program to install sox
[08:16] <matthew1429> now I just have to take those dirs
[08:16] <matthew1429> Rense gave me
[08:16] <CaseyOmah> !flash
[08:16] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:16] <chuen> Hi. After booting up this morning my display has changed (icons larger etc.). I did not alter any systems seetings (display / monitor) before I closed down yesterday. What's the best thing to do?
[08:17] <ubuntu> soo i have buy another hard disk, but it has a n usb interface
[08:17] <ubuntu> i have intalled many version of linux in my new usb hard disk
[08:18] <ubuntu> but......bios can t boot it
[08:18] <Eruantalon> ubuntu, well i have never had a usb harddrive so i don't know what to tell you
[08:19] <ubuntu> ok tank you...
[08:20] <Eruantalon> ubuntu. Does the bios not see it at all? Or what happens?
[08:22] <Eruantalon> ubuntu: Maybe you should have a look at this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[08:22] <yuriy> chuen: can you go into system settings and change it back?
[08:22] <matthew1429> ITS ALIVE
[08:23] <matthew1429> 5 hours later
[08:23] <matthew1429> I"M ALIVE
[08:23] <matthew1429> I can use linux now!
[08:23] <matthew1429> now it's time to pour over the newbie files
[08:23] <matthew1429> and get acclimated
[08:23] <matthew1429> just had to get my sound fixed
[08:23] <matthew1429> so I could "play"
[08:23] <matthew1429> hehe
[08:23] <matthew1429> THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH
[08:23] <gecko> wow... calm urself lol
[08:23] <chuen> yuriy: I could if I knew what the default was (I haven't had to cnfigure it since install)
[08:23] <matthew1429> you dont know how long I've been dealing with this gecko
[08:23] <matthew1429> :)
[08:24] <gecko> lol...
[08:24] <Jucato> matthew1429: we're glad for you... but take it easy on the Enter key :)
[08:24] <matthew1429> its my first day
[08:24] <chuen> Mybe this: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" would help
[08:24] <yuriy> chuen: well, what monitor do you have?
[08:24] <matthew1429> hehe
[08:24] <matthew1429> sorry
[08:24] <matthew1429> I can type quickly as you can see
[08:24] <Eruantalon> matthew1429: Good for you
[08:24] <chuen> yuriy: AOC (don't know which model off hand)
[08:24] <matthew1429> im just happy, thank you VERY much jucato
[08:25] <yuriy> chuen: first check if you can change it in the settings without reconfiguring xorg
[08:25] <Jucato> matthew1429: don't forget to thank Renze too
[08:25] <yuriy> chuen: crt or lcd?
[08:25] <matthew1429> im going to
[08:25] <Jucato> !xconfig | chuen
[08:25] <chuen> yuriy: crt
[08:25] <ubotu> chuen: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". To configure only the driver and resolution, type: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh".
[08:25] <yuriy> chuen: what size?
[08:25] <chuen> yuriy: 17"
[08:26] <yuriy> chuen: so it was probably 1024x768 by default, see if you can set it to that in displayconfig
[08:26] <yuriy> Jucato: seen it before?
[08:26] <Eruantalon> chuen: Is it AOC 7glr?
[08:27] <chuen> yuri: I did. he highest it will allow is 800 x 600
[08:27] <Eruantalon> Jucato: They are. Mine is never detected
[08:27] <Jucato> using AOC 4Vn 14"... never detected the max size of 1024x768
[08:27] <yuriy> chuen: oh. then you'll need to reconfigure ^
[08:27] <Jucato> Eruantalon: thank you for confirming... the next monitor I get won't be an AOC...
[08:27] <Jucato> I'll make sure of that
[08:28] <yuriy> is it some european brand or something?
[08:28] <chuen> yuriy: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[08:28] <flipjarg> hi all..
[08:28] <Eruantalon> The weird things is that it gets the modelname right but not the resolution and refreshrates...
[08:28] <chuen> yuriy: Yes, I think it is (eastern euro)
[08:28] <Eruantalon> AOC is asian i think
[08:28] <flipjarg> i'm looking for a new laptop, anyone have any suggestions for cheap online stores?
[08:28] <yuriy> chuen: you could try -phigh so you don't have to go through all the options
[08:28] <chuen> Eruantalon: OK
[08:28] <Jucato> Eruantalon: yeah. the names are correct, but anything else isn't...
[08:28] <chuen> yuriy: OK. Thanks
[08:29] <Eruantalon>  Yuk Sung
[08:29] <Eruantalon> Managing Director
[08:29] <yuriy> chuen: and then reboot or log out and hit ctrl+alt+backspace
[08:29] <chuen> yuriy: Cool.
[08:29] <flipjarg> Anyone have any suggestions for cheap online computer stores? i'm in search of a new laptop.
[08:30] <yuriy> btw my laptop screen isn't detected right either.. been meaning to file a bug on that..
[08:30] <yuriy> Jucato: you know what package that would be against?
[08:30] <Eruantalon> flipjarg: Well no, nut have a look at this page before buying anything: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[08:30] <flipjarg> yuriy: what is wrong with it?
[08:30] <Jucato> yuriy: hm.. not really...
[08:30] <yuriy> flipjarg: it doesn't detect the 1400x1050 resolution
[08:30] <flipjarg> Eruantalon: thanks i was wondering where i could find a page like that.
[08:31] <flipjarg> yuriy: what version are you using?
[08:31] <flipjarg> of kubuntu
[08:31] <Eruantalon> flipjarg: The ubuntu wiki knows everythinh
[08:31] <flipjarg> lol
[08:31] <Eruantalon> flipjarg:  No! It really does!
[08:31] <yuriy> flipjarg: Feisty :) don't worry, i have it working fine, but i wanted to report that it doesn't work by default
[08:32] <flipjarg> Eruantalon: i believe you. i think it knows what i'm thinking.
[08:32] <Eruantalon> yuriy: Did it use to work.
[08:32] <flipjarg> yuriy: alright, glad you got it going.
[08:32] <yuriy> Eruantalon: no, it didn't. got this laptop in september and installed edgy and had to dpkg-reconfigure and choose the resolution
[08:33] <yuriy> and same thing with feisty
[08:33] <Eruantalon> It seems to me that monitors and videoadapters really are the main hardware problem with linux and ubuntu
[08:33] <flipjarg> i just started using Edgy Eft, it's great! most things i had to mess with before, with older versions of Kubuntu, work right away
[08:33] <Eruantalon> I have never had it work properly on any computer outthebox
[08:33] <yuriy> flipjarg: great
[08:35] <jago> how do i add a local folder to my repostories???
[08:35] <Eruantalon> chuen: How did it work?
[08:35] <flipjarg> i have yet to get my 5 button mouse to work with all buttons
[08:36] <chuen> Eruantalon: No :(
[08:36] <chuen> Eruantalon: Should I try the other commad?
[08:36] <Eruantalon> Try looking at the back of your monitor. What is your monitor called?
[08:36] <flipjarg> i am out of here, thanks for the link Eruantalon. It'll help a lot.
[08:36] <Eruantalon> np
[08:38] <jago> how do i add a local folder to my repostories???
[08:44] <mefisto> wth
[08:44] <haelen> Eruantalon: Sorry got disconnected (was chuen - can't kill nickname)
[08:44] <mefisto> somebody online ~___~
[08:45] <haelen> Eruantalon: I found out the model mof the monitor  -  7 vlr
[08:45] <mefisto> !wiki
[08:45] <ubotu> wiki is http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Loads of user-contributed documentation
[08:45] <mefisto> !root
[08:45] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:46] <mefisto> !kopete
[08:46] <ubotu> kopete: instant messenger for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu2.2 (edgy), package size 6824 kB, installed size 18932 kB
[08:46] <Jucato> mefisto: yes?
[08:47] <mefisto> oh, hello there
[08:47] <mefisto> I was just passing by...
[08:47] <Balsamic_Chicken> lol
[08:47] <mefisto> chickenman?
[08:47] <mefisto> manchicken, lol?
[08:47] <Jucato> heh
[08:47] <Balsamic_Chicken> lol what is wrong with him
[08:48] <mefisto> he just helped me two days ago, he's a nice guy =)
[08:48] <Balsamic_Chicken> he was here earlier
[08:48] <haelen> Eruantalon: ?
[08:48] <praetor> !backports
[08:48] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[08:49] <gecko> what does the error " E: Not Locked. "   in Synaptics mean?
[08:49] <mefisto> somebody here knows if there's a .deb for gimpshop?
[08:50] <Jucato> mefisto: hm... tried Google?
[08:50] <mefisto> I think i did...
[08:51] <Balsamic_Chicken> google can't give him attention
[08:51] <mefisto> there're only rpm files
[08:51] <praetor> i've added the backports repo and apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree, gone into konqueror and settings->config->plugins->scan for new plugins, and konqueror doesnt detect flash9
[08:51] <Jucato> ah... too bad...
[08:53] <praetor> also, firefox isnt detecting it either
[08:54] <mefisto> gotta go guys...
[08:54] <mefisto> have a good night
[08:54] <Balsamic_Chicken> what does: "patch <~/filepath/filename" mean? espeically the < sign
[08:54] <mefisto> ~_____~
[08:54] <CaseyOmah> praetor: Download the package (per the manual install instructions) and copy the .so file into the path listed.
[08:55] <CaseyOmah> praetor: Correction /usr/lib/firefox/plugins is where you copy it to.
[08:55] <CaseyOmah> praetor: Then do the plugin refresh.
[08:56] <praetor> libflashplayer.so is already in that folder
[08:57] <CaseyOmah> praetor: I know but it seems to be a bad version from what I've seen, I also copied flashplayer.xpt to that directory and it works like a champ.
[08:57] <hyper_ch> CaseyOmah: what's the difference between hibernation and suspend?
[08:58] <hyper_ch> was someone successfull at getting vmware server to run in herd2?
[08:58] <CaseyOmah> hyper_ch: In suspend the computer is still on, but in standby mode, where hibernation saves the ram to disk and turn OFF the conputer.
[09:00] <CaseyOmah> praetor: Got it working?
[09:02] <mena> HI Freinds i installed Avg debian and I cant see It In The Menu How To Run It And If I Cant How Can I Remove Package.Deb Through the Terminal
[09:03] <praetor> i downloaded the .tar.gz and did sudo ./flashplayer-install
[09:03] <hyper_ch> CaseyOmah: and what makes hibernation better than turning it off?
[09:03] <praetor> its asking me for a valid path so i type /usr/lib/mozilla
[09:03] <praetor> and it keeps asking me for the path again :S
[09:03] <CaseyOmah> praetor: I never got their script to work, let me pm.
[09:04] <praetor> ok i just copied the .so file from the archive to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins and konqueror successfully detected it
[09:04] <CaseyOmah> hyper_ch: You don't have to close all your work the OS remembers not only what is open but what they are doing.
[09:05] <CaseyOmah> praetor: So I didn't need the flashplayer.xpt?
[09:05] <praetor> guess not
[09:05] <praetor> heh
[09:05] <CaseyOmah> praetor: Thanks, good thing we can help eachother. :)
[09:05] <hyper_ch> CaseyOmah: hmm, I normally save the session when I power off...
[09:05] <praetor> CaseyOmah: no worries, cheers
[09:06] <Cuddles_in_KY> evening all.
[09:06] <mena> How To unistall A package.ban
[09:06] <mena> How To unistall A package.deb*
[09:08] <Balsamic_Chicken> what does: "patch <~/filepath/filename" mean? espeically the < sign
[09:09] <CaseyOmah> hyper_ch: hibernation is like save session, except that the programs don't know they were ever closed. Say you have a "limited uses" shareware program, if you save session and shut down/turn off the PC your uses count decreases, if you hibernate it doesn't.
[09:09] <gary_> hello evry 1
[09:09] <hyper_ch> CaseyOmah: I see...
[09:09] <hyper_ch> CaseyOmah: thx :)
[09:10] <CaseyOmah> hyper_ch: No problem.
[09:11] <gary_> if i want to watch a dvd do i need to buy dvd decoder
[09:11] <CaseyOmah> !css ->gary_
[09:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about css - - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:11] <CaseyOmah> !dvd ->gary_
[09:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dvd - - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:11] <CaseyOmah> !css
[09:11] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[09:12] <CaseyOmah> gary_ that's information on playing DVDs in linux.
[09:12] <Balsamic_Chicken> !game
[09:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about game - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:12] <Balsamic_Chicken> a
[09:12] <gary_> tnx  about libdvdcss
[09:12] <gary_> i do use ubuntu
[09:12] <gary_> i can use apt get
[09:14] <CaseyOmah> I would recommend you try the script (install-css.sh) first.
[09:14] <CaseyOmah> gary_: I would recommend you try the script (install-css.sh) first.
[09:14] <gary_> thats a good idea
[09:14] <gary_> thank you casey
[09:15] <gary_> is evry one here on a linux distro?
[09:22] <ubuntu_> hello
[09:22] <tanlaan> hello ubuntu
[09:23] <ubuntu_> hows it goin
[09:23] <tanlaan> ubuntu_: you might want to use /nick to change your name :D
[09:23] <ubuntu_> kk
[09:23] <gary_> it actually worked to play the dvd
[09:25] <tanlaan> hello everyone
[09:26] <tanlaan> anyone know how i could get wireless assistant *wlassistant* to start on startup?
[09:26] <tanlaan> kcron doesnt have a "startup" button
[09:26] <ubuntu_> ok did it work ?
[09:26] <ubuntu_> shit
[09:27] <tanlaan> lol
[09:27] <ubuntu_> lol
[09:27] <tanlaan> type "/nick name"
[09:27] <ubuntu_> just gettin used to kubuntu
[09:27] <tanlaan> haha its all good
[09:29] <Xera> lol
[09:29] <tanlaan> so yea, anyone know of a way to run something on startup from kcron?
[09:29] <tanlaan> or will i have to go and get cron
[09:30] <Xera> name: replace "name" with a name you want
[09:31] <its_yahells_faul> k
[09:31] <its_yahells_faul> is there a limit to how many characters u can use
[09:32] <Xera> yes
[09:32] <its_yahells_faul> ok ty
[09:42] <cap|com> tanlaan: if you want to make a command or applicatiuon run every time you start kde, you can place a link to the application into your ~/.kde/Autostart folder
[09:42] <cap|com> you don't need a cron
[09:44] <tanlaan> oo okk
[09:44] <tanlaan> thank you cap|com
[09:44] <tanlaan> :D
[09:45] <cap|com> you're welcome
[09:46] <tanlaan> how do you create a link to an application in command line
[09:47] <tanlaan> would i do "ln /usr/bin/wlassistant wlassitant"?
[09:47] <N6REJ> can anyone help me with getting a java script to start at boot time?
[09:50] <cap|com> tanlaan: try ln -s /usr/bin/wlanassistant .
[09:50] <cap|com> when you are in your autostart folsder
[09:51] <N6REJ> cap|com: is that for me?
[09:51] <cap|com> no, tanlaan
[09:51] <N6REJ> k
[09:51] <gecko> hey all
[09:51] <N6REJ> hello gecko
[09:52] <N6REJ> Geico give ya the night off :P
[09:53] <gecko> haha
[09:53] <gecko> i get that alot tho thats not where the name originated from
[09:53] <N6REJ> I bet
[09:54] <N6REJ> nobody knows how to autostart a java app?
[09:54] <gecko> autostart?
[09:54] <gecko> like at bootup?
[09:54] <tanlaan> cap|com: my way worked :D
[09:55] <N6REJ> gecko: yeah, I've got a script that you have to run to start this java app ( ofbiz ) and I need it to start at boot time because it doesn't return con to you.  like in mysql_safe you can put & at the end and it will give you back con?  Well this doesn.t
[09:55] <N6REJ> yeah
[09:55] <N6REJ> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2395/
[09:55] <michaelpo> hi.. why are they 4 workspaces? how does one use them effectively and efficiently?
[09:56] <N6REJ> michaelpo: lets say you do accounting alot ... you would put that on say desktop 4 and just leave it there.  Whenever you start your daily session it will always be there, yet not be in the way when for example your surfing etc...
[09:56] <gecko> N6RE: I just saw something on this yesterday...let me see if i can find it... because it was on creating and removing start up programs.. i  woould assume it works with java apps as well
[09:56] <N6REJ> michaelpo: think of it as 4 computers with 4 monitors ( one each ) that you can flip to instantly.
[09:57] <N6REJ> gecko: my fear is I don't see a path in the script, so it won't find the app.
[09:57] <N6REJ> gecko: and the only java I know is the one I drink
[09:57] <jerry> hi
[09:58] <N6REJ> hello
[09:58] <gecko> haha
[09:58] <jerry> you are a ham radilo operator
[09:58] <N6REJ> yes'r
[09:58] <N6REJ> since 1989
[09:58] <gecko> N6RE: i never thought about the "path in the script"  im wondering about that now...
[09:58] <jerry> I am a ham radio operator
[09:58] <N6REJ> qrz?
[09:58] <jerry> lol
[09:58] <gecko> i mean in terminal its jus "program name" so im not sure.
[09:59] <gecko> unless you have to place that applet in a certain location
[09:59] <michaelpo> why not just open all the softwares in just one workspace...?
[09:59] <N6REJ> gecko: I'm wondering if I have to "cd" first?
[09:59] <jerry> yes qrz
[09:59] <N6REJ> gecko: the app lives in /var/www/opentaps and thats where the script lives.
[09:59] <N6REJ> I'm in Iowa now Jerry
[09:59] <jerry> I am studying for general
[10:00] <jerry> we6jbo
[10:00] <N6REJ> jerry: I should, I'm a OLD Tech.   could easily go extra class if I'd just study for it.
[10:00] <jerry> I am in san diego
[10:00] <N6REJ> I lived in chula Vista for a long time and Ramona too.
[10:00] <jerry> I will become general soon or someday
[10:00] <N6REJ> 146.531 :D
[10:00] <jerry> Ah!
[10:01] <N6REJ> correction, 145.310
[10:01] <N6REJ> trying to think of andy's call sign right now.
[10:01] <gecko> so ur from cali? lol
[10:01] <N6REJ> Originally, live in Iowa now
[10:01] <gecko> um N6RE: im not too familiar with java..so thats the problem
[10:01] <gecko> oh... im in Indiana, but have family in Iowa
[10:01] <N6REJ> gecko, don't feel bad, I'm not either.
[10:02] <jerry> ok yes I'm in San Diego too
[10:02] <N6REJ> jerry, whats up with SNOW in malibu?  The nearest place I can think of that they got the snow plows from is Fort Tejon!
[10:02] <jerry> Yes, I took a class in Java
[10:02] <michaelpo> hmm... ok.. ive use linux for about 3 days... have not started using the different workspaces feature yet... will try to use it... still in winxp mindset...
[10:02] <Op> Hi
[10:02] <N6REJ> jerry: look at this ... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2395/ how do I make that autostart at boot time?
[10:03] <gecko> ill be back... im going to try something but gotta log out
[10:03] <N6REJ> michaelpo: welcome.. it will take a while to get used to it.
[10:03] <N6REJ> gecko: k
[10:03] <Op> How install Skype?
[10:03] <N6REJ> Op: sudo apt-get install skype
[10:03] <N6REJ> :D
[10:03] <Op> )
[10:03] <Op> :)
[10:04] <jerry> I use textpad I think it does all that for me
[10:04] <N6REJ> jerry: huh?  its a startup script for opentaps that unfortunately when you start it from console doesn't give you console back!
[10:05] <Op> I'm from Latvia
[10:05] <N6REJ> Op: nice stamps in latvia
[10:05] <jerry> Maybe make a frame or something I don't know
[10:05] <Tim_4117> Hello, uh can anyone help me? I'm kinda a noob with Linux, Lol.
[10:06] <N6REJ> jerry: frame? in console?
[10:06] <N6REJ> Tim_4117: I can try
[10:06] <tanlaan> Tim_4117: hello, what do you need help with
[10:06] <jerry> Oh look at the time I gotta go ok bye. Nice meeting you N6REJ
[10:06] <Tim_4117> Help using Linux..., Lol
[10:06] <tanlaan> Tim_4117:
[10:06] <tanlaan> oops
[10:06] <N6REJ> lol
[10:06] <tanlaan> Tim_4117: what specifically
[10:06] <Tim_4117> Installing stuff and things
[10:08] <N6REJ> Tim_4117: are you using ubuntu or kubuntu
[10:08] <notech> Tim_4117: should look at the rl's in the channel topic
[10:08] <notech> url's
[10:08] <Tim_4117> Kubuntu
[10:09] <N6REJ> Tim_4117: in Kubuntu there is a program called "Adept".  it "auto installs" everything for you.  You find it in the 2nd "system" folder from the bottom, I forget what its called right now
[10:09] <Tim_4117> So that installs things like Firefox?
[10:10] <N6REJ> Tim_4117: yep, just open it up and then check "options" and make sure your repositories are open ( right click to change it to active  ) and then in the box type "firefox"
[10:12] <Tim_4117> So I just select it in the list Right-click install?
[10:12] <N6REJ> yep
[10:12] <N6REJ> then "apply"
[10:12] <Tim_4117> Then apply changes
[10:12] <N6REJ> hard huh?
[10:12] <N6REJ> ;)
[10:12] <Tim_4117> So I have to download the items and go into this everytime?
[10:13] <N6REJ> Tim_4117: no, this is the "installer"
[10:14] <N6REJ> Tim_4117: it will automatically download and install for your :D
[10:14] <blindside> which codeblocks snapshot is the bes
[10:14] <blindside> do you guys reckon?
[10:14] <Tim_4117> But what if it's not on the list?
[10:14] <blindside> anyone tried most of em?
[10:14] <N6REJ> Tim_4117: then you may need to add the repositorie
[10:14] <_easy_> hi, whats going on?
[10:14] <N6REJ> !repos | Tim_4117
[10:14] <ubotu> Tim_4117: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:16] <Tim_4117> And would you happen to know why I keep getting this Automatic Proxy thing in the corner?
[10:17] <N6REJ> no sorry
[10:17] <dawn> hello
[10:18] <dawn> does ubunto distro's in general recognize FAT32?
[10:18] <dawn> instead of NTFS
[10:18] <N6REJ> dawn: yes, both
[10:18] <dawn> so FAT/FAT32 are writable
[10:18] <dawn> NTFS is still experimental?
[10:19] <dawn> N^, you a ham?
[10:19] <dawn> 6
[10:19] <N6REJ> yes
[10:19] <dawn> where is 6 land?
[10:19] <Tim_4117> Thanks that helps out alot! N6RE :D
[10:19] <N6REJ> dawn yeah somewhat, some say it works fine and others say no
[10:20] <N6REJ> california, but I'm in iowa now
[10:20] <N6REJ> Tim_4117: yw
[10:20] <dawn> oh ok
[10:20] <dawn> I read that the FCC is dropping the morse code requirements
[10:20] <dawn> for general lic.?
[10:21] <dawn> back in 93 I use to talk from 26-30mhz
[10:21] <N6REJ> dawn, dropped years ago.
[10:21] <Balsamic_Chicken> lol.
[10:22] <dawn> there was some FM repeater at 29mhz up in RI, I believe used to be able to hit that with skip
[10:22] <mena> Friends I have A packedge and i install then i want to remove it its a .deb and its installed to root folder .....i dowenload it then install not form adapter
[10:22] <dawn> maybe it was 28.9 something
[10:22] <dawn> anyways thx for the help.. November Six
[10:22] <N6REJ> yw dawn
[10:25] <esc_ape> does anyone know where the ktorrent icon is stored?
[10:26] <Tim_4117> Um N6RE how do you change the icon of something if you want it on the desktop?
[10:27] <detlev> hallo
[10:28] <N6REJ> right click on the start button... left click on "menu edit" go the app, rigth click, then left on properites and the click the picture.
[10:28] <mineur> hi
[10:29] <ForgeAus> whats faster wget or downloading via konqueror?
[10:29] <mineur> brb restarting X
[10:31] <blindside> ForgeAus, neither
[10:31] <blindside> use a download manager that supports multiple streams
[10:31] <blindside> multiget is ok so far
[10:31] <ForgeAus> they're the same?
[10:31] <N6REJ> ForgeAus: IMHO wget, plus it will continue to retry should something go wrong
[10:31] <ForgeAus> N6RE thanx
[10:32] <ForgeAus> if it times out again I'll try it with wget
[10:32] <ForgeAus> blindside like Kget?
[10:32] <blindside> i havent tried kget
[10:32] <blindside> doka and multiget are good i hear
[10:32] <ForgeAus> its slightly over 100 MB ... it dies on me :(
[10:33] <esc_ape> does anyone know where the ktorrent icon is located?
[10:33] <N6REJ> ForgeAus: wget -r -c -nd will do it.
[10:33] <ForgeAus> in the menu um under internet
[10:33] <ForgeAus> third from the bottom or so on a base edgy install
[10:34] <distro-tester> hello
[10:34] <distro-tester> bbl
[10:35] <esc_ape> ForgeAus: I mean the actually .png icon
[10:35] <luca_b> esc_ape: One sec, I'll put up the locations on pastebi
[10:35] <luca_b> n
[10:35] <esc_ape> thanks
[10:36] <luca_b> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2396/
[10:37] <distro-tester> ciao luca
[10:37] <distro-tester> sei italiano?
[10:37] <N6REJ> distro-tester: !it
[10:37] <luca_b> distro-tester: Yes, but English is required for this channel
[10:37] <distro-tester> ok
[10:38] <blekos> hello, i was wondering if i can have 2 taskbars as in gnome, one for application and the other only for the windows that are opened
[10:38] <distro-tester> rome here where u from luca?
[10:38] <N6REJ> distro-tester: if I wanted to send something to the pope how would I do that?
[10:38] <luca_b> distro-tester: Milano, but again, for OT conversation we can go to #kubuntu-offtopic
[10:38] <distro-tester> go vatican and wait he he speaks
[10:38] <distro-tester> he+
[10:38] <N6REJ> distro-tester: lol
[10:38] <distro-tester> *
[10:39] <N6REJ> luca, meet me ot
[10:39] <distro-tester> damn fedora 6 dosen't want to know to run whit my nvidia 7900GS
[10:39] <esc_ape> luca_b : thanks. for some reason my locate db isnt working
[10:39] <distro-tester> ok luca
[10:39] <luca_b> esc_ape: sudo locate -u
[10:39] <distro-tester> can i pvt u paesa'?
[10:40] <luca_b> esc_ape: It will update your database
[10:40] <luca_b> distro-tester: yes if you are OK with a person going randomly afk
[10:40] <esc_ape> sudo locate -u says unrecognized option
[10:41] <esc_ape> I can figure it out though
[10:41] <luca_b> esc_ape: sudo updatedb ?
[10:42] <esc_ape> ok I think that works...it's indexing everything
[10:42] <esc_ape> thanks again
[10:43] <luca_b> esc_ape: it's usually nice to have a cron job for that thing, comes in handy when you want to search for something
[10:43] <esc_ape> good idea
[10:46] <Xera> wtf
[10:46] <Xera> k3b and nero won't start ;/
[10:47] <luca_b> Xera: try to run them from a terminal
[10:47] <luca_b> and see the output
[10:47] <Xera> no output
[10:48] <luca_b> Xera: are you sure? From a terminal like konsole?
[10:48] <Xera> yes i'm sure ;p
[10:48] <Xera> also my dvdr won't mount
[10:48] <Xera> _._
[10:49] <luca_b> Xera: would be time to check dmesg to see if the kernel is complaining about something
[10:49] <Xerroz> question, how do i go about getting kdevelop packages?
[10:50] <Xera> http://xera.no-ip.org/dmesg.txt
[10:50] <luca_b> Xera: one sec
[10:51] <Xera> k
[10:51] <Xera> there's no sensative data in this is there?
[10:52] <luca_b> Xera: nope
[10:52] <Xera> k
[10:52] <luca_b> Xera:  make nother... "strace k3b"
[10:53] <Xera> it sticks at
[10:53] <Xera> --- SIGCHLD (Child exited) @ 0 (0) ---
[10:53] <Xera> read(3,
[10:54] <luca_b> odd!
[10:55] <Xera> read(3, 0x82464e0, 8)                   = ? ERESTARTSYS (To be restarted)
[10:55] <Xera> mean anything to you?
[10:56] <luca_b> Xera: may be worth trying logging in and out of X
[10:56] <mhb> Hi all, is it possible to configure KMail so that it automatically fetches GPG keys from a keyserver when they are needed?
[10:56] <luca_b> Xera: it's quite odd
[10:56] <Xera> i already did that
[10:56] <Xera> twice.
[10:57] <Xera> it started after i wrote like 1.4gb to a dvd-rw
[10:57] <Xera> i can't read from the drive
[10:57] <Xera> :(
[10:57] <luca_b> Xera: the dmesg says something about the drive actually
[10:57] <Xera> ye i saw
[10:57] <Xera> what does it mean?
[10:57] <luca_b> [17233310.884000]  hda: drive not ready for command
[10:57] <Xera> uh
[10:57] <Xera> it's not hda
[10:57] <luca_b> Xera: did you enable DMA?
[10:57] <Xera> it's scsi
[10:58] <Xera> dma? dunno
[10:58] <blekos> hello, i was wondering if i can have 2 taskbars as in gnome, one for application and the other only for the windows that are opened
[10:58] <luca_b> Xera: also I see
[10:59] <luca_b> Xera: [17227442.968000]  NTFS-fs error (device sda2): ntfs_ucstonls(): Unicode name contains characters that cannot be converted to character set cp437.  You might want to try to use the mount option nls=utf8.
[10:59] <luca_b> Xera: but that's an HD, right?
[10:59] <Xera> yes
[11:00] <luca_b> Xera: try a reboot, perhaps the bus got hosed by something
[11:00] <luca_b> Xera: and a device reset may help
[11:00] <Xera> device reset?
[11:00] <blekos> why gdeklets are ligther than superkaramba?
[11:00] <xenophile7x7> does anyone know how to get vid/voice working over kopete?
[11:00] <luca_b> Xera: when you power up and reboot, the BIOS performs a reset on the devices
[11:01] <Xera> ah
[11:01] <Xera> ok
[11:01] <Xera> i'll try that, brb
[11:01] <tehpwn> Any acite people atm?
[11:02] <luca_b> xenophile7x7: you just hve to have a webcam properly set up, but that can be a hard part
[11:02] <tehpwn> active*
[11:02] <xenophile7x7> i cant send or view a cam, or send/hear a mike
[11:02] <xenophile7x7> *mic
[11:02] <tehpwn> Is setting up Google Earth easy in kubuntu?
[11:02] <xenophile7x7> wasnt sure if there was a driver or plugin needed for kopete
[11:03] <Xerroz> xenophile7x7: what cam do you have?
[11:04] <xenophile7x7> logitech quickcam
[11:04] <tehpwn> Fine, nobody reply to me and I'll be lonely :'( lol
[11:04] <cap|com> tehpwn: it's as easy as this: http://earth.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=44713&topic=1135 :)
[11:04] <Xerroz> xenophile7x7: you need a special patch for kopete to get that cam working
[11:04] <xenophile7x7> lol, sorry pwn, i havent tried GE yet. just on linux
[11:05] <Xerroz> its not in the program yet
[11:05] <tehpwn> Thank You :-D
[11:05] <Xerroz> you also need the linux-uvc driver
[11:05] <xenophile7x7> any idea where to get it?
[11:05] <Tim_4117> Do firefox and other programs have to go in a directory like on Windows?
[11:05] <Xerroz> xenophile7x7: youll have to get the svn of kopete, get the patch and patch it, as well as get the svn from linux-uvc
[11:06] <tehpwn> Tim_4117: I believe if you just use apt-get, it will do it all for you no worries
[11:06] <luca_b> Tim_4117: usually the "packages" take care of that, so you don't have to worry
[11:06] <N6REJ> Tim_4117: its automatic
[11:06] <Tim_4117> Ok thanks for that :D
[11:06] <tehpwn> I'm actually installing firefox as I type
[11:06] <Tim_4117> ?
[11:06] <xenophile7x7> whats an svn?
[11:06] <tehpwn> Whoo, and it's done already.
[11:07] <Xerroz> svn = subversion
[11:07] <xenophile7x7> oh ok.
[11:07] <Xerroz> its used to access usually developmental code
[11:07] <xenophile7x7> great, thanks alot for all your help guys ^^
[11:08] <Xera> hmm
[11:08] <luca_b> xenophile7x7: bear in mind that developmental code may be in a state of flux and not even compile at times
[11:08] <tehpwn> Who is good with wireless problems?
[11:08] <Xera> luca_b: works now :D
[11:08] <tehpwn> Any takers?
[11:09] <luca_b> Xera: something went wrong when writing I assume, then the bus got hosed (heppened to me also) and a reset fixed it
[11:09] <luca_b> tehpwn: depends, I may
[11:09] <xenophile7x7> i will, thanks luca
[11:09] <luca_b> tehpwn: depends on what the problem is
[11:09] <xenophile7x7> i figure ill just have to play with it until i get it figured out, same as i have everythign else onhere so far lol
[11:09] <xenophile7x7> should have changed over from windows a looong time ago
[11:10] <Xera> no more nerolinux for me then..
[11:10] <tehpwn> luca_b: Well I have the driver sitting on my desktop, so I'm going to try myself and when I screw it up I'll return to ask you :-p
[11:10] <Xera> piece of s**t XD
[11:10] <tehpwn> But I have to turn off my PC to install the hardware real quick.. will return
[11:11] <luca_b> Xera: k3b always the best for me
[11:11] <Xera> sudo dpkg --purge nerolinux
[11:11] <Xera> die
[11:12] <Xerroz> lol
[11:15] <Xera> hmm
[11:15] <Xera> konversation is bugged
[11:15] <Xera> [10:15]  [Invite]  |Smth| invited you to channel
[11:15] <Xera> doesn't say the channel ^^
[11:15] <tehpwn> Mmm, back.
[11:15] <Xerroz> and konversation needs a serious interface make over
[11:16] <tehpwn> Wha? I see no problems...
[11:16] <tehpwn> Explain your opinion please.
[11:16] <Xera> my dvdr says it does "CD TEXT" anyone know what that is? o.o
[11:16] <Xerroz> it is unintuitive
[11:17] <tehpwn> Xera: like if you making an MP3 cd, it will also write the song md3 tag info
[11:17] <tehpwn> (I think...)
[11:17] <luca_b> Xera: CD-TEXT is a standard
[11:17] <Xera> ooh
[11:17] <Xera> ok
[11:17] <Xerroz> echo luca_b
[11:17] <luca_b> Xera: But I long forgot what it actualy meant
[11:18] <Xera> k
[11:18] <tehpwn> Does my guess sound partially correct?
[11:18] <Xera> no idea
[11:18] <luca_b> Xera: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-TEXT
[11:19] <luca_b> Basically it's like ID3 tags but for "normal" Audio CDs
[11:19] <Xera> ah
[11:19] <Xera> ok
[11:19] <tehpwn> Lol, that's what I meant, ID3, not MD3.. Lol
[11:20] <Xera> XD
[11:21] <luxifer> lu
[11:21] <luca_b> tehpwn: already installed the wireless card?
[11:22] <tehpwn> no, havent started yet :-p
[11:22] <tehpwn> stupid myspace forums... lol
[11:23] <luca_b> tehpwn: wel, what's name and brand? At least I can tell if it may work well with Linux
[11:23] <tehpwn> but I have the inf file on my desktop so if I remember correctley I have to download ndiswrapper... but in order to do that I need a new respitores (sp?) list... which I forget where it's at
[11:24] <tehpwn> I have had it working before. But I don't recall exactually how I did it. It's the linksys wmp54gs w/ speedbooster
[11:25] <luca_b> tehpwn: ndiswrapper should come in by default in *buntu
[11:25] <luca_b> !info ndiswrapper
[11:25] <ubotu> Package ndiswrapper does not exist in any distro I know
[11:25] <luca_b> Oops, I meant, it's part of the kernel
[11:26] <luca_b> Ubuntu kernel at least
[11:26] <tehpwn> yeah it's not installed here
[11:27] <luca_b> !info ndiswrapper-common
[11:27] <ubotu> ndiswrapper-common: Userspace utilities for ndiswrapper. In component main, is optional. Version 1.18-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 13 kB, installed size 80 kB
[11:27] <luca_b> Here you go
[11:27] <luca_b> !info ndiswrapper-utils
[11:27] <ubotu> ndiswrapper-utils: Userspace utilities for ndiswrapper. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1-5 (edgy), package size 8 kB, installed size 48 kB
[11:27] <tehpwn> Sweet.
[11:28] <furryballs> What's a good guide to setting up totem to work?
[11:28] <tehpwn> Anybody know where the respitorie list is so I can just use apt-get ?
[11:32] <ForgeAus> I got so much gnome stuff (although I been trying to avoid it) in my Kubuntu I might as well get ubuntu-desktop anyway!
[11:32] <ForgeAus> (most of the metapackage is already installed!
[11:34] <snowrichard> hi -- I have a video.avi file I created in windows, copied to my Kubuntu Edgy, but its not compressed, its raw rgb.  What linux program could I use to compress and still be able to watch with totem or gxine?
[11:35] <ForgeAus> how to get xnest working in kubuntu?
[11:35] <snowrichard> because its 1:16 of video and is 416 megabytes :)
[11:38] <snowrichard> or make a DVD ?
[11:38] <Xera> hmm
[11:39] <Xera> in k3b i see: ISO9660 FileSystem, what does that mean?
[11:39] <ForgeAus> iso
[11:39] <Xera> um
[11:39] <Xera> lol
[11:39] <ForgeAus> its the general CD filesystem
[11:39] <Xera> oh, ok
[11:39] <ForgeAus> like .iso files
[11:39] <Xera> so windows should have no problem reading it?
[11:40] <ForgeAus> yeah I know the numbers confused me too :)
[11:40] <ForgeAus> prolly not
[11:40] <Xera> k
[11:40] <ForgeAus> I'm not sure really but I guess so
[11:40] <ForgeAus> .iso's from windows work fine in linux so I guess they should work vice versa
[11:41] <Xera> well i'm not burning a iso
[11:41] <Xera> ;s
[11:41] <Xerroz> ISO9660 is a standard
[11:41] <Xera> ah
[11:42] <Xerroz> its how whatever device you stick your cd/dvd into knows where and what files are on those discs
[11:43] <Xera> ok
[11:54] <tehpwn> So we all in bed now or what?
[11:55] <Xera> uh
[11:55] <Xera> it's 11am here ;)
[11:55] <tehpwn> 3am here
[11:55] <Xera> lol
[11:55] <cap|com> here it's 12.. so lunchtime
[11:56] <tehpwn> Eh, I'm hungry.
[11:56] <cap|com> tehpwn: only 3 hours to dinner ;)
[11:57] <tehpwn> Hehe, I said AM
[11:57] <cap|com> ok, breakfast ;)
[11:57] <Xera> you have dinner at 6pm?
[11:57] <Xera> damn.
[11:57] <Xera> xD
[11:57] <cap|com> yes i have
[11:57] <cap|com> germany ;)
[11:57] <tehpwn> Hehe
[11:58] <blekos> can u pls tell me how to add the child panel extension?
[11:58] <tehpwn> I would if I knew what that was...
[11:58] <Jucato> blekos: right-click on the panel -> Add Panel -> Panel
[12:00] <Xera> how do i set limewire to bind to my global ip? ;/
[12:00] <blekos> ohh, thnx i'm newbie :P
[12:02] <tehpwn> whats that command to see a print out of all the network interfaces?
[12:02] <tehpwn> nevermind, its iwconfig
[12:02] <Xera> inter-web config?
[12:02] <Xera> :P
[12:03] <tehpwn> hehe
[12:03] <Xera> hurrr
[12:04] <Xera> my god
[12:04] <Xera> k3b won't format my dvdrw's
[12:04] <Xera> lol
[12:06] <furryballs> Xera: When you're about to burn it select overwrite maybe?
[12:06] <Xera> hmm
[12:06] <Xera> might work
[12:06] <Xera> but it says "formatting will continue in the background"
[12:06] <Xera> i left it for like 10 minutes, nothing..
[12:08] <ForgeAus> format a DVD you mean like UDF?
[12:08] <Xera> udf?
[12:08] <Xera> i mean erase all the data on a dvd-rw
[12:09] <tehpwn> Are the DVD-RW?
[12:09] <tehpwn> or just -R
[12:09] <Xera> "on a dvd-rw"
[12:09] <Xera> they're dvd-rw yes..
[12:10] <tehpwn> Ok, well you should'nt have to format it... You should just have to overwrite it
[12:10] <tehpwn> At least thats how it is when I was using Nero (windows)
[12:10] <ForgeAus> hehe teh too any have to's but yeah you should be able to oeverwrite?
[12:10] <ForgeAus> I've never used a dvdrw to be honest so I can't really say
[12:11] <Xera> tehpwn: not using nero
[12:11] <ForgeAus> my drive supports it I just havn't tried one of that-type disc
[12:11] <Xera> nero f*cked up
[12:11] <tehpwn> Xera, I understand that being that we are all in a kubuntu forum... Hehe ^_-
[12:12] <tehpwn> But I was just making the reference
[12:12] <Xera> k
[12:13] <tehpwn> How did nero mess up?
[12:13] <tehpwn> I have made many *cough* dvd-backups with nero6
[12:13] <Xera> i dunno how it did
[12:13] <Xera> but it did.
[12:13] <Xera> k3b/nero wouldn't start
[12:14] <tehpwn> Gah, why does apt-get upgrade take so long :'(
[12:16] <tehpwn> Lol, I'm on these forums and this kid spelt annoying 'enoyin'
[12:17] <Zamber> http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/25677379/
[12:17] <tehpwn> what's this?
[12:21] <luca_b> tehpwn: it blocked the unit, so a reset was needed
[12:21] <tehpwn> Gave me some dumb error about adult content filter.. So I clicked on the filter link and it said I had to log in... so screw it imo
[12:22] <luca_b> tehpwn: <ot>Normal with DA</ot>
[12:22] <tehpwn> luca_b, What are you talking about?
[12:22] <luca_b> tehpwn: about the login thing you just wrote
[12:22] <Xera> well.. wish me luck
[12:23] <Xera> going to reinstall windows
[12:23] <tehpwn> Lol
[12:23] <tehpwn> I reinstalled windows on my other hdd like an hour ago
[12:23] <tehpwn> luca_b, I was refering to that link that Zamber, sent... is that what your talking about?
[12:24] <tehpwn> Sorry if I seem real dumb atm, its 3:30 here.. Lol
[12:24] <tehpwn> AM
[12:24] <luca_b> tehpwn: I was talking about the "mature content" filter, yes
[12:24] <tehpwn> oic
[12:24] <ForgeAus> grrr someone should tell VMware they ask too many irrelevant quesitons
[12:24] <luca_b> ok, off I go, bye bye!
[12:24] <ForgeAus> I'm not a company!
[12:25] <tehpwn> ForgeAus, ask too many what?
[12:25] <tehpwn> Like, what did they ask?
[12:25] <tehpwn> That was so irrelevant to make you upset... Or w/e
[12:27] <ForgeAus> they ask everything but the kitchen sink!
[12:27] <tehpwn> Lol
[12:27] <ForgeAus> all this stuff about how many X's and Y's are in my company... I don't even HAVE a company!
[12:28] <ForgeAus> they also require EVERY field
[12:28] <tehpwn> What you using VMware for? Fun?
[12:28] <ForgeAus> I don't even want to give them my name (if I don't have to)
[12:28] <tehpwn> Just put vulgar lanuage in the fields you don't know... lol
[12:28] <ForgeAus> mostly
[12:28] <ForgeAus> nah I'm not nasty like that but I should send them an email
[12:28] <ForgeAus> too nosy
[12:29] <tehpwn> Have you ever set up that little hack where you can get WinXP to BSOD on command?
[12:29] <tehpwn> It's fun to set up in VMware
[12:29] <praetor> anyone know what I need to install to get Kaffeine to play VCDs?
[12:30] <ForgeAus> rofl
[12:30] <ForgeAus> I've come from an XP background
[12:30] <ForgeAus> I'm kinda new to linux
[12:30] <ForgeAus> but what I really want is to try MacOSX!
[12:30] <praetor> I start Kaffeine, click the play VCD button, and I get an error message "xine: cannot find input plugin for MRL [vcd://] 
[12:30] <tehpwn> Yeah, I started linux about 4 days ago hehe
[12:30] <ForgeAus> hehe I've had some experience before but nothing like what I'm learning now
[12:31] <tehpwn> Yeah, I'm like the worse person to ask... but the only person active here other than you... Lol
[12:31] <ForgeAus> VMware makes an awesome safe environment for any OS!
[12:31] <tehpwn> I haven't used it for so long, vmware that is
[12:31] <ForgeAus> praetor I dunno MRL but sounds like you need to search for a plugin
[12:31] <ForgeAus> google xine plugins perhaps?
[12:32] <ForgeAus> you could also try another media player I guess?
[12:32] <ForgeAus> between mplayer vlc and xine you should be able to play just about anything tho...
[12:32] <praetor> this seems to me something that should work out of the box so to speak
[12:33] <praetor> given that there are afaik no legal problems with playing VCDs
[12:33] <ForgeAus> um if you had mepis perhaps, but kubuntu and codecs, its got some... just needs a few more
[12:33] <ForgeAus> there aren't any... that I know of either...(legal problems that is) its more a matter of packages and codecs
[12:33] <ForgeAus> kubuntu just doesn't have them by default it seems
[12:33] <ForgeAus> VCD prolly isn't popular enough for it?
[12:34] <ForgeAus> its harmless anyway, easy to install a plugin/codec
[12:34] <ForgeAus> musta just been deemed superfluous
[12:34] <praetor> well from the xine FAQ:
[12:34] <praetor> "xine supports VCD and SVCD playback out-of-the box"
[12:34] <praetor> now Kaffeine is based on xine
[12:35] <ForgeAus> yeah obviously its a trimmed down xine its based on?
[12:35] <ForgeAus> VCD looks like its a plugin to xine: that probably comes with it in the box (hence the out-of-the-box statement)
[12:36] <ForgeAus> praetor start with zero expectaitons and you won't be disappointed! lol
[12:36] <ForgeAus> either that or it was an oversite on kubuntu's part?
[12:36] <ForgeAus> erm oversight
[12:37] <ForgeAus> I doubt the plugin would tip the distro over the edge in size
[12:37] <tehpwn> AFK for a bit
[12:39] <ForgeAus> I don't BELIEVE THIS!
[12:39] <ForgeAus> I just downloaded it from their own website and on first run it says theres an update!
[12:42] <Xerroz> where are all the feisty repositories?
[12:42] <ForgeAus> prolly same place as edgy ones just with the name feisty instead
[12:43] <ForgeAus> (ie deb <url here> fiesty main restricted universe multiverse
[12:43] <ForgeAus> (unless I got it mixed up)
[12:43] <ForgeAus> either that or check http://www.debianadmin.com/ubuntu-edgy-eft-complete-sourceslist-repository-list-file.html
[12:43] <ForgeAus> thats edgy ones
[12:44] <ForgeAus> but hopefulyl at least some have feisty ones or ones for any versions
[12:44] <Hobbsee> Xerroz: if you need to ask, you *really* shouldnt run feisty.
[12:44] <Hobbsee> ForgeAus: i guarentee that page will break your system.
[12:44] <Xerroz> i haven't used debian in over 5 years..
[12:44] <Hobbsee> Xerroz: feisty's rather broken, FYI
[12:45] <Xerroz> ive just recently attempted to go back (as in, 4 hours ago) ;)
[12:45] <Xerroz> understandable given its in development..
[12:46] <tehpwn> Whoooooooooooooooo!!! Wireless is working!!!!!
[12:48] <Xerroz> emerge spoiled me :-[
[12:48] <memo_> Hi
[12:50] <Xerroz> hello
[12:51] <memo_> hello Xerroz
[12:52] <ania> cze
[12:53] <mineur> !wolfenstein
[12:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wolfenstein - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:53] <mineur> !et
[12:53] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[12:57] <ForgeAus> 10 gig is a HUGE chunk of Space for OSX86
[12:59] <N6REJ> ok, time for dumb question #1482904 .... what does this statement mean exactly? .... JAVA_HOME=<path_to_java> # replace <path_to_java> with the full path to your Java installation
[12:59] <N6REJ> java seems to be in several places, and I don't know if they mean the jre, jdk, java bin, or what
[01:01] <mineur> N6REJ: probably something like this: /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/lib/i386
[01:02] <N6REJ> mineur: ok, great.. thanks!
[01:02] <mineur> but it all depends on the context :)
[01:02] <N6REJ> mineur: ok, let me show you.
[01:03] <N6REJ> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2400/
[01:03] <ruslan>    Kubuntu     mp3
[01:03] <N6REJ> !ru ruslan
[01:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ru ruslan - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:04] <N6REJ> ruslan:  english only please
[01:04] <ruslan> i have open file mp3
[01:04] <ruslan> what?
[01:04] <mineur> hmm N6REJ then my thing is probably not right, hang on :)
[01:04] <johann> amarok ;)
[01:04] <N6REJ> mineur: k
[01:04] <mineur> however... what is ofbiz?
[01:05] <ruslan> amaron no open
[01:05] <ruslan> amarok no open
[01:05] <N6REJ> mineur its a java app... let me get you url... www.opentaps.org or www.ofbiz.org
[01:05] <ernz> Does anyone here use Amarok??
[01:05] <johann> yeah
[01:05] <mineur> try #amarok :)
[01:05] <mineur> and yes I use amarok
[01:05] <ernz> How do I add more stations?
[01:06] <ernz> All I have atm are "Cool stations" ... which are not cool.
[01:06] <mineur> I don't use streaming audio, sorry :)
[01:06] <N6REJ> mineur: does this look right? lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 40 2007-01-20 04:25 /etc/alternatives/java -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java
[01:08] <ibert> hi! is there a way to keep one instance of kate persistent like it is with konqueror?
[01:08] <mineur> yeha but I'm not sure you should include the jre/bin/java...
[01:09] <N6REJ> mineur: you want to see the full instructions?
[01:09] <N6REJ> https://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=4078323
[01:10] <mineur> I'd say what you have then is ok
[01:10] <mineur> brb, food
[01:10] <N6REJ> k
[01:10] <N6REJ> ty
[01:10] <N6REJ> wah?? where'd chkconfig go?
[01:13] <matt0507> i have process table opened and the User% column is how much cpu on computer is being used?
[01:14] <N6REJ> whats the debian eqv for chkconfig?
[01:15] <DeadS0ul> invoke-rc.d
[01:15] <Lynoure> matt0507: depends on how you got the process table. ps -l does not even have that column... neither does top (which is not a process table anaway)
[01:15] <N6REJ> DeadS0ul: ty
[01:15] <DeadS0ul> np
[01:16] <matt0507> thanks, anyone aware of jagging scrolling on konqueror? happens when i load  a page with many images on it, does not happen in firefox though.
[01:16] <DeadS0ul> N6REJ: np man
[01:17] <N6REJ> DeadS0ul: now just gotta figure out how to use it and wether I need it or update-rc.d
[01:17] <DeadS0ul> oh you're changing stuff?
[01:17] <DeadS0ul> i never go update-rc.d working right, the syntax was just too much for me
[01:17] <N6REJ> nah, I added a file to /etc/init.d and now I need to make it a service.
[01:18] <xenol> plz which software is used to clone disk partitions on linux?
[01:18] <N6REJ> !clone
[01:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about clone - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:18] <N6REJ> bah
[01:18] <xenol> !disk backup
[01:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about disk backup - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:19] <xenol> any ideas with which software can i make clone of  partitions or disk backup?
[01:19] <N6REJ> !backup
[01:19] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[01:19] <xenol> wee thx
[01:19] <xenol> !cloning
[01:19] <ubotu> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type "dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages", move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type "sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && apt-get dselect-upgrade"
[01:19] <N6REJ> xenol yw
[01:19] <xenol> afk
[01:20] <N6REJ> DeadS0ul: this is what I'm trying to do... Once your done editing run "chkconfig --add ofbiz", "chkconfig ofbiz on", and finally "service ofbiz start"
[01:20] <blekos> hi, why ubuntu uses /media folder for mounted partitions and not /mnt??
[01:22] <Jucato> blekos: seems like a shift in the Linux Filesystem Heirarchy Standard...
[01:22] <DeadS0ul> N6REJ: yeah I think you can just go through update-rc.d's man page and set it up, there's one command that'll set'em up as default I think
[01:22] <N6REJ> DeadS0ul: k
[01:23] <blekos> is it a shift or it's just ubuntu?
[01:23] <DeadS0ul> and i thik default is making the service start at runlevel 2-5
[01:23] <DeadS0ul> blekos: i think it's pretty common
[01:23] <marc> i have a problem with CUPS: printing with lp doesn't work, printing with lpr does. i'd like to either change the default to lpr or fix lp, how do i do that?
[01:23] <N6REJ> DeadS0ul: yeah, ok.
[01:23] <blekos> ok i c
[01:24] <Jucato> blekos: recently it seems more and more distros are shifting. Mandriva is one or will be one
[01:25] <jamesarthur> hey, i'm trying to get sound in mepis 6.0 and it doesn't have alsaconf, how else can I get sound?? Please, a straight answer!
[01:25] <blekos> i'm asking cause i try to learn a few things about linux/ubuntu and such [welcomed]  changes confuse me a bit :)
[01:25] <Hobbsee> jamesarthur: have you tried #mepis?
[01:26] <Hobbsee> jamesarthur: maybe alsamixer
[01:26] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee!!
[01:26] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato
[01:26] <mortifera> you just do "lsof /dev/dsp"
[01:26] <mortifera> and see if works..
[01:27] <Jucato> mepis 6.0....
[01:27] <mortifera> it's for you james..
[01:27] <mortifera> but mepis isn't ubuntu man.
[01:28] <mortifera> ..
[01:28] <blekos> is there any application like dvd shrink 4 dvd ripping [selectins subtitles etc] 
[01:28] <Jucato> it's based on Ubuntu Dapper though... but there's #mepislovers for that
[01:29] <mortifera> i'm using firefox32 over a 64 bits ubuntu.edgy and just can't get sound when using flashplayer...anyone can help me?
[01:29] <N6REJ> darn, another problem.
[01:29] <mortifera> by the way, i do see the video normally but without sound.
[01:30] <jamesarthur> i tried, but nothibg happens that i see
[01:31] <N6REJ> fixed! wheew
[01:31] <jamesarthur> all say alsaconf but it's not there
[01:31] <ibert> hi! is there a app like visualroute for kde?
[01:33] <jamesarthur> i'm in #mepis , no luck!
[01:33] <mortifera> ibert: are you trying to trace IPs?
[01:34] <Jucato> !traceroute
[01:34] <ubotu> traceroute: traces the route taken by packets over a TCP/IP network. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4a12-20 (edgy), package size 21 kB, installed size 104 kB
[01:34] <ibert> mortifera: yes. in general I do it in the shell, but sometimes I want to see a nice globe tracing the route...
[01:35] <ibert> ubotu: I use traceroute already. but for "show" reasons I'm looking for an gui with animation :-)
[01:35] <Jucato> ibert: ubotu is a bot :)
[01:35] <pablo7> blekos: have you tried k3b?
[01:35] <mortifera> there is" X trace route"
[01:35] <ibert> Jucato: oh, yes he told me :-)
[01:36] <mortifera> it works with all distribuitions
[01:36] <Jucato> heh :)
[01:37] <xenol> !backup
[01:37] <blekos> not really, didnt know it does that, i thought it was only for burning/ copying
[01:37] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[01:37] <xenol> !sbackup
[01:37] <ubotu> sbackup is a tool to create complete and/or incremental backups (which can be scheduled to be automatic, and can be done over a network). It is available in !Universe
[01:37] <ibert> !xtraceroute
[01:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xtraceroute - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:38] <mortifera> i'm using firefox32 over a 64 bits ubuntu.edgy and just can't get sound when using flashplayer...anyone can help me?
[01:38] <Jucato> !xt | ibert
[01:38] <ubotu> xt: A graphical traceroute. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.1-8 (edgy), package size 917 kB, installed size 1144 kB
[01:39] <Jucato> ibert: "apt-cache trace | grep route" might interest you
[01:39] <xenol> plz why i cant play .wmv video? it says umthing about when loading decoder or libraby : wmvdmod.dll
[01:39] <xenol> ?
[01:39] <ibert> Jucato: thanx
[01:39] <Jucato> xenol: you have installed w32codecs?
[01:39] <xenol> yep
[01:39] <xenol> i can play avi
[01:39] <xenol> but wmv no
[01:39] <Jucato> xenol: no that is different
[01:40] <xenol> sound goes playing
[01:40] <abattoir> mortifera: you have lib32asound2 installed?
[01:40] <Jucato> avi is handled by libxine-extracodecs
[01:40] <mortifera> xenol: try ti install VLC..
[01:40] <xenol> well i have booted linux after 2 weeks now
[01:40] <xenol> and got problem
[01:40] <xenol> mortifera:  i want to use kaffeine
[01:40] <tehpwn> I'm back!
[01:40] <matt0507> can anyone tell me how to add password to an archive file using Ark?
[01:40] <xenol> and it went with np then and now problems
[01:40] <ForgeAus> theres a suite you can get with ping, traceroute, and a few other tools
[01:40] <ForgeAus> but I forgot the name of it
[01:41] <xenol> !ping
[01:41] <ubotu> pong
[01:41] <xenol> lol
[01:41] <xenol> !traceroute
[01:41] <ubotu> traceroute: traces the route taken by packets over a TCP/IP network. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4a12-20 (edgy), package size 21 kB, installed size 104 kB
[01:41] <tehpwn> So what's the topics atm?
[01:41] <mortifera> you have to get  a codec for cafeine or use libwin32..
[01:41] <mortifera> and istall it all
[01:41] <Jucato> xenol: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/WindowsCodecs
[01:41] <xenol> thx
[01:41] <ibert> xenol: pong is a cool answer
[01:41] <xenol> i installed with that but
[01:41] <ForgeAus> hey Jucato
[01:41] <Jucato> xenol: are you on a 64-bit system?
[01:41] <Jucato> hi ForgeAus
[01:42] <xenol> 32
[01:42] <xenol> i will reinstall w32
[01:42] <ForgeAus> the VMware server I ended up d/ling was a version behind!
[01:42] <xenol> if that doesnt help will google for it
[01:42] <ForgeAus> its not a problem tho
[01:42] <ForgeAus> works and installs fine
[01:43] <tehpwn> I can't get my damn amaroK to support mp3's... I have installed gstreamer0.8-mad but that didn't help at all... And google is just telling me the same thing over and over basically...
[01:43] <ForgeAus> I wish there was an updater rather than having to install the next vers from scratch tho
[01:43] <xenol> time for me to leave bb
[01:44] <mortifera> abatoir: just did the install (lib32asound2), tks!
[01:44] <johann> tehpwn: install libxine-extracodec (multiverse)
[01:45] <tehpwn> K, I'll attempt it
[01:45] <ruslan> what install skype_debian-1.3.0.53-1_i386.deb   ???????HELP
[01:46] <matt0507> !ark
[01:46] <ubotu> ark: graphical archiving tool for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 287 kB, installed size 1004 kB
[01:46] <abattoir> mortifera: oh, good
[01:47] <matt0507> !zip
[01:47] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[01:47] <mortifera> abatoir: i 've got the sound! finally!! tks a lot!
[01:47] <ForgeAus> ahh well I could add .rar, .ice, .lha/lzh, .zoo, .arj, .arc and a few others to that list...
[01:48] <icet> hi, I use device sda (SATA) as my main HD, and I want to access my hda1 (IDE1) with a 120GB FAT partition, but /dev only sees hda, not hda1
[01:48] <tehpwn> johann, what do I add to the sources.list to get multiverse?
[01:48] <icet> windows can see the partition just fine
[01:48] <tehpwn> tehpwn, wait never mind i got it
[01:48] <johann> tehpwn: just add the line "deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe multiverse"
[01:48] <tehpwn> Lol, oops, meant johann
[01:49] <ba> hello
[01:49] <ForgeAus> you have to be root to edit it (although you can add lines in adept (which asks for your root pass on entry)
[01:49] <tehpwn> johann, then run apt-get update correct?
[01:49] <johann> yes
[01:49] <icet> any ideas to solve my problem?
[01:49] <tehpwn> awesome thanks
[01:49] <ForgeAus> yup apt-get update or apt-get install <pkgname> ...
[01:50] <matt0507> another newbie question: something said to work with GNOME so will it work in KDE?
[01:50] <ForgeAus> lotsa apt-get commands
[01:50] <abattoir> icet: if there is only one partition, it may well be just hda
[01:50] <matt0507> im thinking for using file-roller in kubuntu
[01:50] <abattoir> matt0507: yes, it should work
[01:50] <matt0507> abattoir: ty :)
[01:50] <abattoir> np :)
[01:50] <icet> but I'm not able to mount it, cfdisk recognizes hda1
[01:52] <tehpwn> tehpwn@tuxbox:~$ sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodec
[01:52] <tehpwn> Reading package lists... Done
[01:52] <tehpwn> Building dependency tree... Done
[01:52] <tehpwn> E: Couldn't find package libxine-extracodec
[01:52] <tehpwn> tehpwn@tuxbox:~$
[01:52] <icet> [ 1016.089844]  FAT: invalid media value (0xb9)
[01:52] <icet> [ 1016.089849]  VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev hda.
[01:52] <johann> libxine-extracodecs ,sorry
[01:53] <tehpwn> oh, hehe
[01:53] <tehpwn> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[01:53] <tehpwn> is only available from another source
[01:53] <tehpwn> E: Package libxine-extracodecs has no installation candidate
[01:53] <tehpwn> tehpwn@tuxbox:~$
[01:54] <johann> apt-get update
[01:54] <tehpwn> alread did
[01:54] <johann> sure?
[01:54] <tehpwn> yeah, i just did again to make sure
[01:54] <tehpwn> Yeah.. gave me the same error
[01:55] <johann> deb-src http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe multiverse
[01:55] <johann> add this one too
[01:55] <tehpwn> k
[01:55] <johann> -> apt-get update
[01:55] <Jucato> !multiverse | tehpwn
[01:55] <ubotu> tehpwn: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:56] <icet> any other suggestions?
[01:56] <tehpwn> Ok, I'll take a look.
[01:57] <tehpwn> Wow... It's already 4am here :(
[02:00] <ruslan> what install  skype_debian-1.3.0.53-1_i386.deb????
[02:00] <johann> dpkg -i skype_debian-1.3.0.53-1_i386.deb
[02:01] <abattoir> ruslan: rt. click ->Kubuntu Package Manager->Install Packagte
[02:01] <abattoir> *Package
[02:01] <blekos> i mad a back with using tar, then i did tar tzf to see the contents of the tar file, and now i have a 1GB less space...#
[02:01] <Jucato> !skype
[02:01] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype  -  To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[02:05] <blekos> i mad a back with using tar, then i did tar tzf to see the contents of the tar file, and now i have a 1GB less space... any ideas?
[02:06] <ruslan> Kubuntu but Windows XP ?
[02:06] <matt0507> !ntfs-3g
[02:06] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[02:07] <darkjoker> qualcuno sa dirmi come sbloccare adept manager...
[02:08] <Jucato> !it | darkjoker
[02:08] <ubotu> darkjoker: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[02:08] <darkjoker> ah ok....thanks
[02:08] <karmikaze> whats the flash plugin to get for firefox?
[02:09] <Jucato> karmikaze: flashplugin-nonfree
[02:09] <karmikaze> cheers
[02:09] <Jucato> works for both Konqueror and Firefox
[02:09] <ubuntu> flash 9 is out...
[02:10] <Jucato> yes.. unfortunately, Flash 9 Beta 2 is still the latest in the repos
[02:10] <karmikaze> ok
[02:10] <ubuntu> i've installed it manually
[02:10] <ubuntu> just 1 file..
[02:10] <karmikaze> yeah i did the manual install but youtube still isnt working
[02:10] <Jucato> true. but I'd rather it be done through the official repos...
[02:10] <karmikaze> weird
[02:10] <karmikaze> automatic installation failed due to network problems or upstream changes
[02:14] <tehpwn> I'm having no luck with this...
[02:14] <tehpwn> I even reinstalled amarok
[02:19] <tehpwn> Anybody active?
[02:19] <tehpwn> :(
[02:20] <adaptr> sorry.. 319 deaf mute idiots in channel :)
[02:20] <karmikaze> lib-mpeg3
[02:20] <karmikaze> !mp3
[02:20] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:20] <Jucato> tehpwn: you couldn't install libxine-extracodecs?
[02:20] <tehpwn> nope
[02:20] <tehpwn> it's being super gay (no offense to anybody if they are gay)
[02:20] <Jucato> tehpwn: what is apt-get saying?
[02:21] <tehpwn> tehpwn@tuxbox:~$ sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[02:21] <tehpwn> Reading package lists... Done
[02:21] <tehpwn> Building dependency tree... Done
[02:21] <Jucato> tehpwn: use pastebin to show us your sources.list. you may not have the correct repositories
[02:21] <tehpwn> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[02:21] <Jucato> !pastebin | tehpwn
[02:21] <ubotu> tehpwn: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:21] <tehpwn> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[02:21] <tehpwn> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[02:21] <tehpwn> or been moved out of Incoming.
[02:21] <tehpwn> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
[02:21] <tehpwn> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
[02:21] <tehpwn> that package should be filed.
[02:21] <tehpwn> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[02:22] <adaptr> !kickban the fckr
[02:22] <tehpwn> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kickban the fckr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:22] <Jucato> tehpwn: next time, use pastebin if you need to show multiple lines
[02:22] <tehpwn>   libxine-extracodecs: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4-1) but 2.3.6-0ubuntu20 is to be installed
[02:22] <tehpwn> E: Broken packages
[02:22] <tehpwn> tehpwn@tuxbox:~$
[02:22] <tehpwn> (sorry for the spam hehe)
[02:22] <tehpwn> ok ok
[02:22] <tehpwn> yeah, iv been told :)
[02:22] <adaptr> then DON'T, buckethead
[02:23] <Jucato> adaptr: once he pasted it, there's no way to stop it
[02:23] <tehpwn> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2407/
[02:23] <adaptr> Jucato: hmm... okay, bad client then
[02:23] <tehpwn> adaptr, that's a good band
[02:23] <abattoir> adaptr: chill.
[02:24] <Jucato> adaptr: not really. on his end, it's just one big paste. to us, it looks like successive multiple lines
[02:24] <adaptr> I am *not* chill ! I tried starting kdm again today and it never got anywhere.. back on gdm/gnome, because at least that works
[02:24] <adaptr> Jucato: yes, but it's a client-server architecture - somebody somewhere can influence his traffic, be it the freenode server or his irc client
[02:24] <abattoir> adaptr: ok, that doesn't mean you need to go around calling people names :)
[02:25] <abattoir> adaptr: you tried executing 'kdm' manually?
[02:25] <tehpwn> So ummm?
[02:25] <tehpwn> lol
[02:25] <Jucato> tehpwn: removes lines 18 and 19
[02:25] <adaptr> and if his irc client offers no method of stopping something that's run out of hand....
[02:25] <Jucato> tehpwn: you're mixing edgy repositories into Dapper
[02:25] <adaptr> abattoir: I started with dpkg-reconfigure kdm and restarting X - that failed
[02:26] <tehpwn> Jucato, ok
[02:26] <abattoir> adaptr: any particular errors?
[02:26] <adaptr> abattoir: then I tried to manually set kdm to start instead o gdm, and restarted X - still nothing
[02:26] <Jucato> tehpwn: then, in lines 16 and 17, add teh word "multiverse" at the end
[02:26] <tehpwn> kk
[02:26] <Jucato> tehpwn: once you're done, sudo apt-get update then try installing
[02:26] <tehpwn> kk
[02:27] <adaptr> abattoir: lastly I rebooted and got kdm, then logged in and got...kdm, logged in, got kdm, logged in, got kdm. so now I'm logged into Gnome again, because - at least *that works* :)
[02:27] <adaptr> like I said
[02:28] <tehpwn> Jucato, and i replacing universe with multivers? or just adding multiverse?
[02:28] <Jucato> tehpwn: just add. don't replace
[02:28] <tehpwn> ok
[02:29] <tehpwn> Whooo! It's going! (knocks on wood)
[02:29] <abattoir> adaptr: after you ran 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm' , and run 'startx' it starts gdm instead of kdm?
[02:30] <abattoir> adaptr: both gdm and kdm can launch GNOME and KDE
[02:30] <tehpwn> Ok, it installed but amarok still wont play the mp3
[02:31] <Jucato> tehpwn: what do you get when you try to play an MP3?
[02:31] <Jucato> tehpwn: make sure that Amarok is using the xine engine
[02:31] <tehpwn> How?
[02:31] <tehpwn> Jucato, Yeah it's using the xine engine
[02:32] <Jucato> hm..
[02:32] <tehpwn> (that's the only option)
[02:32] <Jucato> tehpwn: try restarting amarok?
[02:32] <tehpwn> Yeah, did like 20 time :-p
[02:32] <Jucato> O.o
[02:33] <tehpwn> Jucato!!!! It's working!!!
[02:33] <tehpwn> Woooooot!
[02:33] <Jucato> O.O
[02:33] <Jucato> you're confusing me... @_@
[02:33] <tehpwn> IDK, it just started working after restarting it again
[02:33] <nuke13> hi all
[02:34] <nothlit> adaptr, you don't restart x, you sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop && sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[02:34] <tehpwn> Jucato, You officially own... Yeah.
[02:34] <Jucato> yay!!
[02:35] <tehpwn> lol
[02:35] <tehpwn> you can stick them on your monitor.. lol
[02:35] <Jucato> heh.. that would make me look like a monkey...
[02:35] <nuke13> lol
[02:36] <tehpwn> or if you have younger siblings... they might be interested
[02:36] <tehpwn> lol
[02:36] <Jucato> heh :)
[02:37] <tehpwn> Next step is putting my windows hdd in here and transfering all of my music over
[02:37] <tehpwn> i'll be bak!
[02:40] <esaym> is there any kind of analog clock for the task bar?
[02:40] <mineur[food] > yes
[02:40] <esaym> oh yea?
[02:40] <mineur[food] > right click on the clock...
[02:40] <mineur[food] > configure
[02:40] <mineur[food] > then clock type
[02:41] <stdin> or Right click clock -> type -> analogue
[02:41] <mineur[food] > ok, that's shorter :p
[02:41] <esaym> hmm
[02:41] <esaym> DIdn't know about that
[02:41] <esaym> selecting that removes the date though
[02:42] <mineur> you can add 2 times the clock applet if you like...
[02:42] <esaym> anyway to get the hands anti aliased so they are smoooooth lol
[02:43] <esaym> oh heck there is an option for that
[02:43] <esaym> pretty!
[02:48] <heinkel_111> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?board=55.0
[02:48] <heinkel_111> my authentication system is broken, how do i work around that?
[03:04] <parsek> When I play video using vlc and X11 output module in fullscreen I see edges on everywhere like there wasnt antialiasing or something like that, how could I fix this?
[03:05] <blekos> can i delete everything in the temp fdirectory
[03:05] <blekos> ?
[03:05] <Jucato> blekos: usually /tmp is cleaned at boot
[03:05] <blekos> i c
[03:05] <blekos> thnx
[03:08] <heinkel_111> if i reformat my / partition, will i loose any personal information (/home/ is on another partition) that will be hard to recover?
[03:09] <heinkel_111> or can i reformat root, reinstall programs not in default kubuntu and then just live happily ever after?
[03:12] <Racchio> Hi there! I have two sound cards on my desktop pc: an onboard one and a PCI one. They both works nice but ARTS uses just one of these (the onboard one). There's any way to tell ARTS to use both or to use the PCI one? Thanks :)
[03:15] <tehpwn> Ok, I'm pissed srsly
[03:15] <Jucato> ??
[03:15] <tehpwn> I restarted the computer, and the wireless isn't working again
[03:15] <Jucato> oh... something I can't help you with... sorry
[03:15] <tehpwn> Damn
[03:15] <tehpwn> But the mp3 works :)
[03:16] <tehpwn> so thats good
[03:16] <Xera> f*ck
[03:17] <Jucato> O.o
[03:17] <tehpwn> brb, going to restart pc
[03:17] <slow-motion> hallo
[03:19] <mineur> !et
[03:19] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[03:20] <Xera> is firefox2 in the repos yet?
[03:20] <LjL> Xera: it's most certainly in Edgy
[03:20] <Xera> hmm
[03:20] <Xera> need to upgrade to edgy ;p
[03:20] <voicu> when i try to drag some songs in the playlist, amarok freezes and i get the output (in konsole) "Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0x25f8e)"
[03:21] <voicu> i tried reinstalling amarok
[03:21] <voicu> this is happening since i added some new files in the collection directory
[03:22] <stdin> Xera: it's in backports too
[03:22] <Xera> meh
[03:22] <Xera> i'll just install it myself
[03:22] <voicu> at that point i got errors that were saying amarok can't play that files
[03:22] <tehpwn> Anybody here good with wireless?
[03:22] <voicu> i rescaned the collection and this crap is now happening
[03:22] <voicu> any ideas?
[03:23] <Xera> Need to get 195MB of archives.
[03:23] <Xera> After unpacking 5276kB of additional disk space will be used
[03:23] <Xera> wth
[03:23] <Xera> how does that make sence?
[03:23] <Xera> 195mb download, only 5mb is gonna be used?
[03:23] <distro-tester> hello i nead back the wike where tells u how to add universal servers to adept Xera
[03:23] <Xera> sense*
[03:24] <distro-tester> wiki*
[03:24] <distro-tester> it*
[03:24] <voicu> Xera, you are upgrading, therefore some files will be replaced
[03:24] <Xera> voicu: ah, ty ;p
[03:24] <Xera> lucky my internet isn't going as slow as yesterday
[03:25] <distro-tester> any one has the ubuntu wiki where tells u how to ad universal server to repository?
[03:25] <distro-tester> in adept
[03:25] <Xera> i was getting 5kb/s dl speeds, i rang up my isp and they said "We don't provide support for the linux operating system, we recommend you install windows."
[03:25] <voicu> i would settle for a slower internet connection if only amarok would work :(
[03:25] <voicu> haha
[03:25] <Xera> at which point i promptly started to shout down the phone. XD
[03:25] <distro-tester> Xera u got them?
[03:25] <Xera> got what?
[03:26] <Xera> oh
[03:26] <distro-tester> the site where tells u how to add server to adept
[03:26] <Xera> sec
[03:26] <voicu> i got that thing too from the isp, apparently they are scared of linux routers...
[03:26] <distro-tester> thanx
[03:26] <Xera> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories?action=show&redirect=AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:26] <stdin> somewhere is your ISP system is a linux box
[03:26] <Jucato> Xera: are you trying to upgrade from Dapper to Edgy?
[03:26] <Xera> Jucato: no
[03:27] <distro-tester> can u link me the drivers for nvidia 7900GS Xera i can intall here?
[03:27] <Jucato> k
[03:27] <distro-tester> if they ever exist ahah hi jucato
[03:27] <Xera> distro-tester: no, sorry
[03:27] <tehpwn> Ok, I suck at wireless so I'm moving on...
[03:27] <tehpwn> time to google windows partition mounting
[03:27] <parsek> when is the kub. 7.04 (final) released
[03:27] <Jucato> distro-tester: there are no individual drivers for NVIDIA cards. most are supported by the nvidia-glx driver pakcage
[03:27] <BluesKaj> !wireless
[03:27] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:27] <stdin> parsek: it isn't released yet
[03:28] <Theory> parsek: the clue is in the name
[03:28] <Jucato> parsek: as the name says. 7.04 (2007 April)
[03:28] <Theory> year.month
[03:28] <esaym> whats the deal with num lock and kde?  Is there a quick fix to get it to stay on at boot up?
[03:28] <stdin> parsek: 7.04 = 2007/04
[03:28] <parsek> :)
[03:28] <Xera> esaym: should be an option in your bios
[03:28] <parsek> hey thats where they get the names :)
[03:28] <esaym> yes it is enabled
[03:28] <Jucato> esaym: System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Keyboard ?
[03:29] <esaym> was always on in windows but now in kubuntu i have to turn it on
[03:29] <distro-tester> well jucato there must be a problem whit linux and my nviDIA 7900GS couse even whit nvida drivers from automatix my eyes hurt and im 1024x768 60hz now whit lcd 17 as i all ways been on xp maby my card is not supported
[03:29] <esaym> thanks i will look right quick
[03:29] <voicu> holy damn, that's is why they are called X.04 and X.10?
[03:29] <Jucato> voicu: the one that will come after feisty will be 7.10
[03:29] <esaym> ok there is an option for it.  I will see if it works on next boot up
[03:29] <esaym> thanks!
[03:29] <distro-tester> i feel like a sense of nausea and eyes hurting now strange
[03:30] <Jucato> esaym: it will only work *after* you login to KDE
[03:30] <jiger> hey does anyone know how to change just the password in pppoe if using bridge mode?
[03:30] <distro-tester> ahha would be funny if i have to get back to xp for my video card
[03:30] <Jucato> esaym: meaning it will still be off in the login screen
[03:30] <esaym> well thats fine I think
[03:31] <distro-tester> so what u advise here jucato?
[03:31] <distro-tester> go back to xp?
[03:31] <BluesKaj> hmm strange , I prefer 1024x768 for my 17" flat scrn crt , of course i'm using 75hz ...that gets rid of most flickering
[03:31] <distro-tester> it's real strange linux drivers are not out yet for my card as 8800 has them
[03:31] <voicu> what the hell, amarok says "the media couldn't be added to the playlist because it's not playable"... what is that supposed to mean (except the obvious)
[03:31] <Jucato> distro-tester: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" doesn't work? I'm not really familiar with LCD's
[03:32] <voicu> the file is right there and mp3 support is working
[03:32] <distro-tester> ahah if i knew what u speaking of maby u know im 1 times on linux
[03:32] <distro-tester> but im scared this card is not compatible whit linux yet
[03:33] <distro-tester> any one using nvidia 7900GS here ?
[03:33] <Jucato> distro-tester: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" will reconfigure (as thename suggests) your xorg settings, letting you choose different options like resolution refresh rate, etc.
[03:33] <distro-tester> ok ill try
[03:35] <tehpwn> How do I know if I'm running dapper or edgy? And what the heck are they anyways?
[03:35] <distro-tester> wich is the more secure irc client btw for your advise btw kvirc?
[03:36] <Xera> use konversation
[03:36] <Xera> lol
[03:36] <distro-tester> what does it have better then others xera just curius
[03:36] <Jucato> distro-tester: konversation and connect using port 8001 instead of the default 667
[03:37] <Xera> Jucato: why 8001?
[03:37] <parsek> why?
[03:37] <voicu> because it's less evil?
[03:37] <Jucato> Xera: disables DCC
[03:37] <Xera> lol
[03:37] <parsek> :)
[03:37] <Xera> so what's up with dcc?
[03:37] <distro-tester> that's cool
[03:37] <Jucato> er.. default is 6667
[03:37] <distro-tester> does it have ssl?
[03:37] <Xera> it's just like msn send files
[03:37] <Xera> and, who the heck is worried about virusses in linux? :D
[03:37] <Jucato> scripts?
[03:38] <Xera> they can't do much damage
[03:38] <Xera> 1: permissions 2: don't be stupid enough to run it
[03:38] <Jucato> he was asking for "safe"
[03:38] <Xera> nobody but the person who sets the root password knows it
[03:38] <distro-tester> what about ssl does conversation support them?
[03:38] <Jucato> IRC doesn't have SSL afaik
[03:39] <parsek> what does the ssl even do btw?
[03:39] <Xera> secure connection
[03:39] <distro-tester> 128 bit
[03:39] <Xera> encryption etc
[03:39] <distro-tester> 64 256b depends
[03:39] <distro-tester> ok my eyes seem to be better now
[03:39] <parsek> should i change to a server that supports it?
[03:39] <Xera> parsek: newb
[03:39] <Xera> lol
[03:40] <voicu> !demux
[03:40] <Xera> this channel is on irc.freenode.net, no other..
[03:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about demux - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:40] <parsek> yes but i dont use this, i hardly ever vome to this channel
[03:40] <distro-tester> xera respect to xp do we loose any thing whit video cards on linux when u handle mosters as 7900GS i run and 8800?
[03:40] <Xera> so you can't just join some random server and then join this EXACT channel
[03:40] <BluesKaj> !demuxer
[03:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about demuxer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:40] <parsek> come
[03:40] <Xera> distro-tester: no, if you have the right drivers you don't
[03:40] <distro-tester> well i can just run general ones now till they out
[03:41] <tehpwn> !wireless
[03:41] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:41] <distro-tester> for the side of graphic creation it's better windows or linux?
[03:41] <Xera> um
[03:41] <distro-tester> all the 3d stuff
[03:41] <distro-tester> i mean
[03:41] <Xera> it's an opinion.
[03:42] <parsek> dual boot
[03:42] <distro-tester> i seen linux has real cool programs now but they told me u have to use key board mouse dosen't go whit 3d design
[03:42] <distro-tester> is that tre?
[03:42] <Xera> what?
[03:42] <distro-tester> true*
[03:42] <distro-tester> that u must use key respect to mouse on linux to creat art 3d stuff
[03:42] <distro-tester> like graphical design or whatever
[03:43] <bronze_0_1> no
[03:43] <BluesKaj> most serious graphics ppl that i know use A Mac
[03:43] <ForgeAus> distro depends on the software I guess
[03:43] <distro-tester> people do say many leggends on linux ahah
[03:43] <ForgeAus> what proggies on mac Blues?
[03:43] <distro-tester> they said only xp mac has mouse to draw
[03:43] <BluesKaj> IMAC or a Mac
[03:43] <Xera> [14:43]  <distro-tester> they said only xp mac has mouse to draw
[03:43] <Xera> lol?
[03:43] <Xera> bull.
[03:43] <BluesKaj> dunno , ForgeAus
[03:43] <ForgeAus> ok just curious
[03:43] <distro-tester> well macs are born for that blues over all
[03:44] <distro-tester> graphics
[03:44] <tehpwn> Ok, I'm not finding anything... I have two hard drives, the primary is my kubuntu.... and hdc1 is the windows hard drive... how do I access the Doze hdd?
[03:44] <ForgeAus> which is probably why they were so good for video when quicktime first come out with mov's
[03:44] <ForgeAus> not sure about these days
[03:44] <ForgeAus> flv seems to have taken off...
[03:44] <parsek> what programs do people use to do graphics stuff on macs?
[03:45] <BluesKaj> my daughter is an artist and all her graphic arts friends told her to buy a Mac ...that's what i know :)
[03:45] <Xera> tehpwn: sudo mount /dev/driveID /mnt/someFolder
[03:45] <bronze_0_1> photoshop
[03:45] <distro-tester> and another legged that i heard is that u can't send f6 something like that couse law said u can $ online for paying stuff only whit linux mac now for a governament law
[03:45] <Xera> wtf?
[03:45] <distro-tester> xp*
[03:45] <tehpwn> parsek, same as on windows... macromedia and adobe
[03:45] <ForgeAus> photoshop is SOOOOOOOOOOOO non-standard on Windows!
[03:45] <bronze_0_1> Xera: I think he/it's speaking a foreign language
[03:45] <tehpwn> ForgeAus, hehe, it was for me
[03:45] <parsek> then why do thay prefer macs, cooler? :)
[03:45] <Xera> bronze_0_1: lol
[03:45] <distro-tester> meas paying online is not supported any more by linux os xera they told me
[03:46] <Xera> XD?!!!
[03:46] <Xera> rofl
[03:46] <ForgeAus> how about Quark Express?
[03:46] <distro-tester> and only mac xp can for a recent world law ahah
[03:46] <ForgeAus> thats not under windows is it?
[03:46] <tehpwn> Xera, so: sudo mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt/c           ??
[03:46] <ForgeAus> (without VMware lol)
[03:46] <Xera> tehpwn: uh
[03:46] <Xera> what file system is it?
[03:46] <distro-tester> i bet u heard the moast incredible things on linux so u ready for everything here
[03:46] <tehpwn> ntfs
[03:46] <Xera> ok
[03:46] <Jucato> !ntfs | tehpwn
[03:46] <ubotu> tehpwn: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions. For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[03:47] <Xera> sudo mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt/c -t ntfs -o umask=00000
[03:47] <stdin> tehpwn: you have to make the directory first, so "sudo mkdir /mnt/c" first
[03:47] <Xera> stdin: well.. DUH
[03:47] <Xera> :P
[03:47] <tehpwn> ah, confused now :(
[03:47] <stdin> tehpwn: that guide ubotu posted will help you
[03:47] <Jucato> before you can mount a filesystem, you have to create the mount point (directory) where the filesystem/partition will be mountd
[03:47] <tehpwn> KK, Ill look at it
[03:49] <distro-tester> this is what i have to enable http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ right?
[03:49] <distro-tester> whit multireverse written near
[03:49] <distro-tester> ?
[03:49] <distro-tester> im i doing right?
[03:50] <Jucato> distro-tester: what for?
[03:50] <distro-tester> to eneble the repository
[03:50] <Jucato> !multiverse | distro-tester
[03:50] <ubotu> distro-tester: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:50] <distro-tester> as wiki says to get over 20.000 programs
[03:51] <distro-tester> im on that now jucato
[03:51] <Xera> http://www.clipmarks.com/clipmark/28280FB2-D4CE-4204-8F7D-45D3988622CD/
[03:51] <Xera> can anyone get on that?
[03:51] <distro-tester> i did enable what i pasted and wrote multirevers close to it now it's fine
[03:51] <mena> How Can I Control The Apps Wich They Work Auto With Kubuntu Start
[03:52] <Xera> mena: try not using capital letters on each word..
[03:52] <mena> okay
[03:52] <Xera> Only for the start of a sentence, or a name.
[03:52] <mena> i will
[03:52] <Xera> :p
[03:52] <mena> ok
[03:52] <mena> so How can i contorl the apps in the kubuntu start
[03:52] <Xera> !autostart
[03:52] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[03:52] <Jucato> !autostart
[03:52] <jason> hi guys
[03:53] <distro-tester> what do i get if i add the canonical repository to?
[03:53] <mena> Okat thanks
[03:53] <mena> Okay*
[03:53] <tehpwn> !pastebin
[03:53] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:53] <Jucato> distro-tester: in Edgy? nothing
[03:53] <distro-tester> in yes edgy
[03:53] <distro-tester> says commercial canonical reps
[03:53] <jason> when i try to run edgy my usrobotics usr5420 usb wifi doesnt work. i boot into kernel 2.6.15 and it does.  dmesg in 2.6.17 say no configuration chosen from 1 possible configuration
[03:53] <jason> any ideas?
[03:53] <Jucato> distro-tester: unfortunately, those are empty... useless...
[03:53] <distro-tester> a
[03:53] <mena> Xera, i installed calmAv i dont see ot in the menu how to run it
[03:53] <tehpwn> I really don't want to screw something up... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2416/
[03:54] <tehpwn> I already made the /dev/windows
[03:54] <Xera> mena: open a terminal and type clamav
[03:54] <Jucato> mena: clamav in Linux is a command line app. you really don't get an entry in the menu
[03:54] <distro-tester> do i have to enable backports jucato so i get flash player 9 im not able to install from console now?
[03:54] <mena> Xera, ok
[03:54] <Jucato> distro-tester: yes. backports for Flash 9 *BETA 2*
[03:54] <mena> jucato , okay
[03:54] <HymnToLife> !flash | Jucato
[03:54] <ubotu> Jucato: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:54] <Jucato> HymnToLife: huh?
[03:55] <distro-tester> perfect works fine as 9 final right?
[03:55] <jason> oh hi Jucato  kumusta?
[03:55] <tehpwn> Umm, Lil help!
[03:55] <ravermeister> does anybody know the path of the .desktop file of Storage Media in kde
[03:55] <Jucato> jason: hehe doing fine, doing fine :)
[03:55] <HymnToLife> sorry, that was for distro-tester :p
[03:55] <easy> hi
[03:55] <stdin> tehpwn: where did you make the windows directory ?
[03:55] <distro-tester> thanx hymm
[03:55] <tehpwn>  /dev/windows
[03:55] <Jucato> !flash9
[03:55] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[03:55] <distro-tester> !backports
[03:55] <stdin> tehpwn: you don't make it in /dev
[03:55] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[03:55] <HymnToLife> tehpwn, you shouldn't do that, make in in /media rather
[03:55] <stdin> tehpwn: make it in /media
[03:56] <tehpwn> Oops, that what i meant to type
[03:56] <tehpwn> sorry i did make it in media
[03:56] <tehpwn>  /media/windows
[03:56] <tehpwn> Yeha, I just double checked, it in media
[03:56] <tehpwn> sry
[03:56] <mena> !clamav
[03:56] <ubotu> clamav: antivirus scanner for Unix. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.88.4-1ubuntu2.1 (edgy), package size 65 kB, installed size 208 kB
[03:56] <stdin> tehpwn: so to mount it, you'll do "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc1 /media/windows -o umask=0000"
[03:57] <tehpwn> stdin, awesome thanks a bunch
[03:57] <stdin> np :)
[03:57] <tehpwn> Works!
[03:57] <distro-tester> what's the maintainer box in adept for do i nead to x it?
[03:57] <Jucato> distro-tester: no. those are just filters for searching
[03:58] <distro-tester> ok hey i must thank u helpers and unique comunity for the 24/7 help u give us
[03:58] <distro-tester> making this  medium user distro the more easy
[04:00] <distro-tester> why did u choose kubuntu jucato u like more kde as me?
[04:00] <Jucato> yes. I like KDE
[04:00] <tehpwn> Whooo! I have been up for 24 hours now!
[04:00] <distro-tester> same here all moast
[04:00] <tehpwn> I'm buying a bike today, I'm excited!
[04:00] <Deergus> Hi
[04:01] <tehpwn> Hello!
[04:01] <distro-tester> ok there is a very usefull antirootkit in adept but won't install it's called rkhunter
[04:01] <ruslan> sudo dpkg -i skype_debian-1.3.0.53-1_i386.deb
[04:01] <admin_> Hi, I just "installed" KDE "4", but I don't see it in the sessions menu, any ideas why not ?
[04:01] <distro-tester> hello
[04:01] <Jucato> admin_: how (or why?!) did you install KDE 4?
[04:01] <distro-tester> any one able to install rkhunter whit adept?
[04:01] <distro-tester> won't for me
[04:02] <admin_> Jucato: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.1.php
[04:02] <Skrot-> Jucato: kde4 is in the resperitories, so that explains how
[04:02] <Jucato> Skrot-: you can also install KDE 4 from SVN, that's why I asked
[04:02] <admin_> But any idea why it isn't in the sesions menu? It's in /usr/lib/KDE4
[04:02] <Skrot-> admin_: Are you a developer?
[04:02] <admin_> Skrot-: Nope
[04:03] <Skrot-> admin_: Then why?
[04:03] <admin_> Why not?
[04:03] <Jucato> admin_: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.2.php
[04:03] <Skrot-> Because its pre alpha?
[04:03] <Jucato> admin_: actually the question is "what for?"
[04:03] <admin_> It doesn't matter what for, just can yall help?
[04:03] <Deergus> I'm a new user to kubuntu, and have also installed beryl and emerald. My unforunate problem is that whenever I start beryl+emerald, my icons get mixed up. Some of them are big, and some are little. They are misplaced, and on top of all - in certain applications (like konqueror, the taskbar and panel) I'm using the normal iconset I chose on KDE, but on the rest(desktop, file manager etc...) I'm seeing different icons that I guess beryl
[04:03] <Deergus> chose. Could anyone please assist?
[04:03] <jason> hmmm found the soln (i think):  BUS=="usb", SYSFS{idProduct}=="001b", SYSFS{idVendor}=="0baf", \     PROGRAM="/bin/sh -c 'echo 1 > /sys/%p/device/bConfigurationValue'"
[04:03] <Skrot-> KDE 4 at the moment is of no use unless you're a developer :>
[04:03] <jason> With 2.6.16 and later kernels, RNDIS devices are not initialized (when device is plugged in, nothing happens). To get it going, you need to set the variable bConfigurationValue in sysfs.
[04:04] <distro-tester> im putting yum to jucato so i can handle rpms click and run
[04:04] <tehpwn> What's KDE 4?
[04:04] <fjellrev1> How do I check my python version? trying to install psyco, if anyonen is familiar with doing this help would be greatly appreciated
[04:04] <jason> brb (i hope)
[04:04] <tehpwn> !kde4
[04:04] <admin_> tehpwn: KDE 4 :P
[04:04] <ubotu> For information on KDE 4 (not to be released for quite some time yet), see: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html. Also worth checking are: appeal/phonon/plasma/solid.kde.org
[04:04] <ravermeister> nobody knows the path for the .desktop file of Storage media?
[04:04] <Jucato> admin_: just a word of caution. KDE 4 is still not in a state that will satisfy curious end users... you might end up getting frustrated or something
[04:04] <Jucato> admin_: for one, not everything will run properly
[04:04] <Skrot-> KDE 4 at the moment is nothing but a port from qt3 to qt4 and a lot of api clean up..
[04:05] <Jucato> distro-tester: huh?
[04:05] <Skrot-> It's like running a broken KDE 3 :)
[04:05] <admin_> heh
[04:05] <Deergus> Could someone assist please?
[04:06] <distro-tester> i said im installing yum to so i can install rpms
[04:06] <tehpwn> I can't, but what do you need, Deergus?
[04:06] <distro-tester> and have both that's the best for me
[04:06] <Jucato> Deergus: might want to try in #ubuntu-xgl
[04:06] <Jucato> distro-tester: it's not possible to directly install RPM's on DEB-based systems
[04:06] <DeadFishMan> distro-tester: You are trying to install Yum on Kubuntu so that you can use rpm packages?
[04:06] <Jucato> distro-tester: nor is it recommended to convert RPM'
[04:06] <Deergus> Thanks guys. I will attempt to ask for help there as well
[04:06] <Jucato> distro-tester: nor is it recommended to convert RPM's to DEB's. but that is more possible
[04:06] <distro-tester> yes
[04:07] <distro-tester> im i doing wrong?
[04:07] <Jucato> you also can't install Yum
[04:07] <Jucato> yes you are doing wrong
[04:07] <distro-tester> ok never mind then
[04:07] <DeadFishMan> distro-tester: Forget it... Even though technically is possible to install certain rpms (using alien) you most likely will break your system
[04:07] <distro-tester> it has installed it ill remove it then
[04:08] <distro-tester> better i ask next time when i do this delicate stuff
[04:08] <DeadFishMan> distro-tester: Besides, there is little if anything at all available as rpm packages that you can't find as debian packages
[04:09] <distro-tester> yes we got even more no one can compete whit debian repos
[04:09] <Jucato> and in case you really can only find an .rpm only, it's better and safer to compile from source code
[04:09] <DeadFishMan> Jucato: Exactly!
[04:09] <distro-tester> now im looking for the best antivirus for linux if i ever nead it u advise me clamav?
[04:09] <tehpwn> Anti-Virus in linux?
[04:09] <DeadFishMan> !klamav | distro-tester
[04:09] <ubotu> klamav: KDE frontend for ClamAV. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.37-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 702 kB, installed size 2256 kB
[04:09] <Jucato> distro-tester: antivirus for Linux? hardly need one
[04:09] <stdin> !antivirus | distro-tester
[04:09] <ubotu> distro-tester: antivirus is something you don't really need on Linux, unless you serve windows clients. ClamAV and aegis are decent linux virusscanners. Also see !linuxvirus
[04:10] <distro-tester> just to keep it there u never know
[04:10] <Jucato> distro-tester: antivirus *for XP* on Linux... clamav is ok
[04:10] <tehpwn> Am I being totally cliche by asking why would would want an antivirus in linux?
[04:10] <distro-tester> perfect
[04:10] <Jucato> distro-tester: viruses for Linux only exists in labs.you'll know if there exists in the wild... it will become frontpage news
[04:11] <distro-tester> i advise all to put rkhunter for rootkits on adept plus chrootkit they are both on adept under rootkit voice
[04:11] <distro-tester> u know we ex windows are still paranoic on infections side jucato aahha
[04:11] <stdin> !linuxvirus
[04:11] <ubotu> The short life and hard times of a Linux Virus http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[04:11] <distro-tester> on of the main reasons why i turned to linux is security
[04:11] <distro-tester> instresting stdin
[04:12] <stdin> windows user: "Aww, I just got infected with a virus", Linux user: "Hahahahahahah" :P
[04:12] <DeadFishMan> stdin: ROTFL
[04:12] <tehpwn> I grew up on windows (18 yrs) and am not paranoid at all when it comes to viruses and spyware because over time I learned how to defend myself from all of that nonsense
[04:13] <Jucato> ditto :)
[04:13] <distro-tester> btw there are rootkits for linux and some short life worms so all ways scan whit antirootkit adept gives u
[04:13] <Xera> damn it
[04:13] <Xera> http://www.clipmarks.com/clipmark/28280FB2-D4CE-4204-8F7D-45D3988622CD/
[04:13] <BluesKaj> Windows propronents like ZDNet have article on Linux viruses all the time , saying how vulnerable Linux is supposed to be due to that attitude.
[04:14] <Xera> that worked before, but now it doesn't change anything..
[04:14] <tehpwn> But like, 5 days ago I wanted to see if i could be sucessful in linux, so i came here (#kubuntu)
[04:14] <tehpwn> hehe
[04:14] <distro-tester> btw u right jucato 99% of virus and pc junk is made by antivirus houses
[04:14] <distro-tester> it's like a dubble blade business
[04:14] <DeadFishMan> distro-tester: That's an classical urban legend, even though it kinda makes sense to me. :)
[04:15] <tehpwn> distro-tester, I believe he was stating that linux viruses aren't exactually real because they are made in labs and contained... not really talked about outside
[04:15] <Xera> can anyone help me install an ati radeon 9250??
[04:15] <Xera> >:
[04:16] <distro-tester> i said what i said who is smart got it heehe
[04:16] <tehpwn> DeadFishMan, yeah It would completely make sense to me also... i mean what better do they have to do? lol
[04:16] <DeadFishMan> lol
[04:17] <tehpwn> distro-tester, ok, either im way to tired to understand that, or your making no sense....
[04:17] <distro-tester> don't worry teh be happy
[04:18] <tehpwn> Currently 7:17am
[04:18] <distro-tester> i enabled the backports now just doing enable on both now i can look for flash player 9 today i nead to do step by step every thing as im 1 time on linux hope i get better
[04:18] <tehpwn> Why isn't there a FireFox 2.0 for linux?
[04:18] <Jucato> tehpwn: huh?
[04:19] <stdin> tehpwn: there is, I'm using it :)
[04:19] <bronze_0_1> tehpwn: www.mozilla.org, download it
[04:19] <Jucato> !firefox | tehpwn
[04:19] <ubotu> tehpwn: firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[04:19] <tehpwn> i used apt-get and it gave me FF1.5 :(
[04:19] <Jucato> er..
[04:19] <Jucato> !info firefox | tehpwn
[04:19] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.0.1+0dfsg-0ubuntu0.6.10 (edgy), package size 8992 kB, installed size 28580 kB
[04:19] <stdin> tehpwn: it's in backports too
[04:19] <Jucato> tehpwn: you are on Dapper, I presume?
[04:19] <tehpwn> Eh, yeah?
[04:19] <tehpwn> Kubuntu 6.06... came with 'konquorer' or w/e
[04:19] <Jucato> stdin: no FIrefox 2.0 for Dapper
[04:19] <tehpwn> :"(
[04:20] <Deergus> How can I make programs to run on startup(xserver startup)
[04:20] <tehpwn> so who wants to install xgl for me?
[04:20] <tehpwn> lol
[04:20] <DeadFishMan> !xinitrc
[04:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xinitrc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:21] <DeadFishMan> !.xinitrc
[04:21] <tehpwn> !xgl
[04:21] <washbear> Deergus: System / Preferences / Sessions
[04:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xinitrc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:21] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[04:21] <Jucato> tehpwn: give us admin access to your system :)
[04:21] <Jucato> washbear: that's for GNOME
[04:21] <tehpwn> tell me how.. i have nothing to hide
[04:21] <washbear> ahhh, wromg channel
[04:21] <DeadFishMan> Jucato: Now THAT is a classical move on IRC, if I ever saw one... :)
[04:21] <Jucato> tehpwn: just go to #ubuntu-xgl and read the topic there :)
[04:21] <Jucato> DeadFishMan: hehe :)
[04:21] <tehpwn> READ!!!?!?!?!
[04:22] <Jucato> tehpwn: it has links for howto's
[04:22] <DeadFishMan> tehpwn: He was just kidding... You NEVER want to do something like that!
[04:22] <krom> eugh?
[04:22] <tehpwn> and get's hacked :(
[04:22] <Jucato> better get used to reading... Linux is for people with brains :)
[04:22] <krom> LOL true Jucato
[04:22] <Jucato> or rather, Linux acknowledges the fact that people have brains
[04:22] <krom> some people have brains... not all
[04:23] <tehpwn> Lol, yeah I know, I just like people to do stuff for me :-p
[04:23] <Jucato> all people have brains... some just don't use them :P
[04:23] <krom> HAHAH
[04:23] <tehpwn> But srsly, I don't mind at all giving you like a backdoor into my network or what ever... I have nothing to hide and there is nobody else on my network...
[04:24] <krom> lol
[04:24] <Jucato> tehpwn: never do that...
[04:24] <krom> BRAINZ
[04:24] <Jucato> unless you absolutely trust the person, or know the person enough to kill him, just in case
[04:24] <distro-tester> what's the time in usa btw?
[04:24] <tehpwn> I have before, some guy attempted to help install gentoo
[04:24] <manu_> hi
[04:24] <tehpwn> he failed though
[04:24] <distro-tester> hello manu
[04:25] <DeadFishMan> tehpwn: Someone can enter a rootkit or something like that on your system and you will never know...
[04:25] <Jucato> distro-tester: USA is big :)
[04:25] <Skrot-> Im running a custom kernel, but I want to be able to use vmware. I've downloaded the vmware-player-kernel-source package, but how do I install it?
[04:25] <distro-tester> 4.25 pm in rome what about there jun?
[04:25] <ravermeister> hello, i still have one problem. when the login prompt from kdm appears, and i type my username and password, kde don't starts up, it stands still after
[04:25] <manu_> is there a tool allready installed to get this color code like #CCCCCC, in krita i can only find a option for hexadecimal code
[04:25] <ravermeister> the login prompter disappeared, and then i have to restart x
[04:25] <ravermeister> with strg+alt+return
[04:25] <ravermeister> and then when i type username and password again it runs
[04:26] <ravermeister> anybody knows the problem?
[04:26] <tehpwn> Yeah, well I have a small beliefe in the back of my head that most everybody in here answering questions, if they wanted to, could track down my system and do bad things to me over the net
[04:26] <distro-tester> yes teh it's best not to share your ports whit no one
[04:26] <distro-tester> rember to trust is good to non trust is better
[04:26] <tehpwn> lol
[04:26] <distro-tester> eheh u don't even nead to be paranoic do
[04:27] <distro-tester> just keep firestarter on and all updates
[04:27] <stdin> Skrot-: it's in /usr/src you need to untar it, then cd vmware-player-kernel, then make sure /usr/src/linux points to your linux source (compiled) or headers, then run "debian/rules binary-modules", then install the deb
[04:27] <tehpwn> I'm not paranoid.. Like I said, I'm not hiding anything, I don't have any illegal files or sensative files
[04:27] <distro-tester> i really love that firewall  it's a very simple and pro security tool
[04:28] <tehpwn> "What do I have to fear, other than fear itself?"
[04:28] <stdin> Skrot-: it's in /usr/src/modules/vmware-player-kernel not /usr/src/vmware-player-kernel
[04:28] <DeadFishMan> tehpwn: Once someone finds a way into your system your computer is no longer "yours"
[04:28] <distro-tester> i enabled the backdoors universe multireverse both juncato for flash player but don't see it in search yet is it under another name?
[04:28] <bronze_0_1> tehpwn: not only is that true, most of us have already done it.
[04:29] <DeadFishMan> tehpwn: Can you imagine someone snekaing in and deleting your family pictures or that hard to find mp3? :)
[04:29] <Jucato> distro-tester: flashplugin-nonfree
[04:29] <stdin> distro-tester: flask is called "flashplugin-nonfree"
[04:29] <distro-tester> o great
[04:29] <stdin> flask ? flash
[04:29] <Skrot-> stdin: thanks :)
[04:29] <tehpwn> DeadFishMan, Eh, my mp3 collection is backed up on 3 different hard drives... Lol, and I have no family pics, they are all stored on the internet
[04:30] <distro-tester> trust me teh i got hacked bad on xp and know what it means now my hobby is web security
[04:30] <stdin> Skrot-: yw :)
[04:30] <distro-tester> it's very hard unless u change pc and isp to get off a good cracker
[04:30] <DeadFishMan> tehpwn: That was just an example... But it is your system, man: your loss :)
[04:30] <tehpwn> distro-tester, I have always been interested in network security, but the only thing I have ever really been 'good' at when it comes to computers is building them
[04:31] <distro-tester> that's good i use to do that once but u can use skype there are many chans where they speak of pc and IE security willing to teach
[04:31] <DeadFishMan> tehpwn: I used to work as sysadmin for an ISP a few years ago and believe me when I say this: security is a huge concern! :)
[04:31] <tehpwn> DeadFishMan, I completely understand what you guys are saying ya know. But I don't feel I have a reason to be afraid of being hacked. *I have nothing that can't be replaced*
[04:32] <DeadFishMan> tehpwn: I see... So you don't have a computer... You have a honey pot! :-P
[04:32] <tehpwn> What do you mean by I dont have a computer? like they can fry my components via the net?
[04:33] <Skrot-> btw, is ipw3945 automagically detected during edgy install?
[04:33] <stdin> tehpwn: you should still take precautions against being cracked, some one, for instance, could crack your system and launch an attack against a website from your PC and your ISP would track the attack to you
[04:33] <distro-tester> we don't have to worry of netbios 139 worm port msn and rest right ?
[04:33] <DeadFishMan> tehpwn: Honey pot are computers that are left on the internet with low or no security measures taken at all on purpose. They are used by security experts to study the behaviour of crackers and the likes
[04:34] <tehpwn> DeadFishMan oic
[04:34] <distro-tester> distro-tester> we don't have to worry of netbios 139 worm port msn and rest right ?
[04:34] <distro-tester> on linux
[04:34] <distro-tester> ?
[04:35] <tehpwn> afk for a bit
[04:35] <stdin> distro-tester: no, no we don't :)
[04:35] <DeadFishMan> tehpwn: As stdin said, your system can be used as a zombie on a DDoS attack, as a open proxy or something along these lines
[04:35] <distro-tester> those are windows users dayly headaches ahah i still rember close that patch this argggggggg
[04:35] <distro-tester> ahah now i feel reborn
[04:36] <distro-tester> im still scared of terminal and that will be to hard in part but i think i can make it in time to learn unix bases
[04:36] <BluesKaj> so DeadFishMan, what's recommended as security for kubuntu users ?
[04:36] <tehpwn> bak
[04:36] <tehpwn> DeadFishMan, DDos?
[04:36] <tehpwn> !ddos
[04:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ddos - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:37] <distro-tester> ok i installed java plugin for  mozilla to
[04:37] <Kr4t05> Distributed Denail of Service
[04:37] <DeadFishMan> BluesKaj: Honestly, I don't know... I installed Kubuntu for the first time ever a few days ago. :)
[04:37] <Kr4t05> Denial*
[04:37] <Kr4t05> If you feel the need to do anything, install a good firewall frontend and panda antivirus. :P
[04:37] <DeadFishMan> BluesKaj: But any Linux distro is a reasonable compromise... I never felt the need to use SELinux nor AppArmor in my home computers
[04:37] <tehpwn> The only kind of attack I have ever really played around with is like MITM.... At like LAN parties and stuff
[04:37] <BluesKaj> well, I found clamav buggy ...not very reassuring :)
[04:38] <distro-tester> hehe one of the basic tricks to do afther getting the registry pass and owing the gate
[04:38] <distro-tester> onwing*
[04:38] <tehpwn> Lol
[04:38] <Jucato> distro-tester: you meant "owning"?
[04:38] <distro-tester> yes i really nead a spell checker
[04:38] <tehpwn> So now that this channel is becoming more active, anybody good with wireless?
[04:38] <tehpwn> hehe
[04:38] <distro-tester> and english lessons ahaha
[04:38] <BluesKaj> <---not a gamer...unless you count solitaire as a game :)
[04:39] <Jucato> distro-tester: right-click on the text input in Konversation, select Auto Spell Check
[04:39] <Jucato> presuming you have a dictionary (ispell/aspell) installed
[04:39] <distro-tester> ok super
[04:39] <distro-tester> i will install it now
[04:40] <tehpwn> !tunaktunaktun
[04:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tunaktunaktun - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:40] <Jucato> tehpwn: unfortunately, being a Sunday in most areas of the world... :(
[04:40] <DeadFishMan> Jucato: Thanks for the tip. With English not being my first language, something like that is greatly appreciated :)
[04:40] <Jucato> DeadFishMan: no problem :)
[04:40] <abattoir> tehpwn: what's the problem?
[04:40] <unix_infidel> tehpwn: lol.
[04:40] <Jucato> abattoir!!!
[04:40] <tehpwn> I use aspell for Gaim
[04:40] <jughead> tehpwn, what are you trying to do?
[04:40] <unix_infidel> i didnt know they had wireless in india :)
[04:40] <abattoir> Jucato!!!!!!
[04:40] <abattoir> :)
[04:41] <Jucato> low blow...
[04:41] <tehpwn> Well, my wireless was working, and I restared the PC and now its not
[04:41] <tehpwn> so I'm back on the cat5
[04:41] <abattoir> tehpwn: which card?
[04:41] <tehpwn> Linksys WMP54GS w/ Speed Booster
[04:41] <distro-tester> is there any graphical tool to monitor upd and tcp good as port guard on xp here?
[04:42] <distro-tester> like that tells u evertying ip host mac etc
[04:42] <distro-tester> location
[04:42] <DeadFishMan> distro-tester: Try iptraf
[04:42] <marmasso>  hello come si chiama la irc in italiano
[04:42] <DeadFishMan> distro-tester: It is not a GUI app but it has a ncurses interface
[04:42] <tehpwn> abattoir, when i type ndiswrapper -l, it prints: bcmwl5a         driver present, hardware present
[04:42] <DeadFishMan> !ncurses
[04:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ncurses - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:42] <tehpwn> abattoir, so im not sure why its not working
[04:42] <abattoir> tehpwn: is that a broadcom card?
[04:43] <tehpwn> IDK, its linksys :-D
[04:43] <unix_infidel> tehpwn: where in india do you live that they have wireless?
[04:43] <distro-tester> in simple words im i able to view it and louch it as a program don't know what gui means yet
[04:43] <distro-tester> ?
[04:43] <tehpwn> unix_infidel, umm, Corona California... Lol
[04:43] <abattoir> tehpwn: ok, try 'sudo rmmod ndiswrapper && sudo modprobe ndiswrapper'
[04:43] <Jucato> distro-tester: GUI = graphical user interface
[04:43] <distro-tester> im instrest only in security stuff now linux seems to have much
[04:43] <distro-tester> and gui then
[04:43] <unix_infidel> tehpwn: awww, immigrant!
[04:43] <tehpwn> Lol, NOOOOOO
[04:43] <DeadFishMan> distro-tester: GUI = apps to run on the graphic interface (GNOME, KDE, etc)
[04:44] <jughead> tehpwn:  try modinfo ndiswrapper
[04:44] <tehpwn> abattoir, do i keep the ampersand signs?
[04:44] <distro-tester> any security tools to monitor pc to advise me gui ones for kde?
[04:44] <abattoir> tehpwn: yup
[04:44] <DeadFishMan> distro-tester: ncurses = those old apps on the console that TRY to draw graphics using only ASCII characters
[04:44] <unix_infidel> tehpwn: you have a wrt54gl you can turn that into a wireless adapter.
[04:44] <abattoir> tehpwn: they club the two commands together, you can do one after the other if you want too
[04:44] <distro-tester> that's cool
[04:45] <abattoir> unix_infidel: off-topic, but Indian airports seem to have decent wireless infrastructure
[04:45] <tehpwn> bcmwl5a         driver present, hardware present
[04:45] <tehpwn> oops
[04:45] <tehpwn> tehpwn@tuxbox:~$ sudo rmmod ndiswrapper && sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[04:45] <tehpwn> Password:
[04:45] <tehpwn> ERROR: Module ndiswrapper does not exist in /proc/modules
[04:45] <tehpwn> tehpwn@tuxbox:~$
[04:45] <unix_infidel> abattoir: i generally dont need it there.
[04:46] <jughead> is it a usb card?
[04:46] <abattoir> tehpwn: please don't paste outputs more than 2/3 lines here...
[04:46] <tehpwn> Nope, PCI
[04:46] <jughead> ok
[04:46] <tehpwn> abattoir, yes sir (mam?)
[04:46] <distro-tester> ill reinstall java couse i seen there are some security things to do when u install it as plug in for firefox
[04:46] <abattoir> tehpwn: doesn't work? hmm...
[04:46] <Jucato> tehpwn: abattoir is a sir
[04:46] <Jucato> at least, last I checked
[04:46] <tehpwn> Jucato, k, now i know :)
[04:47] <tehpwn> lol
[04:47] <abattoir> tehpwn: can you give me the last few(relevant) lines of 'dmesg' ?
[04:47] <DeadFishMan> distro-tester: I wouldn't be too worried about that right now. Java is reasonable secure by default
[04:47] <abattoir> tehpwn: you might want to pastebin it if it's more than 2/3 lines
[04:47] <tehpwn> [17179608.700000]  [drm]  Initialized i915 1.4.0 20060119 on minor 0
[04:47] <abattoir> !paste
[04:47] <tehpwn> [17181863.300000]  NTFS driver 2.1.25 [Flags: R/O MODULE] .
[04:47] <tehpwn> [17181863.364000]  NTFS volume version 3.1.
[04:47] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:47] <abattoir> Jucato: bzr is my current fav. ;)
[04:48] <abattoir> tehpwn: ok, try 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper' again
[04:48] <Jucato> abattoir: I'm going to "learn" that too... and git as well
[04:48] <abattoir> tehpwn: i don't think it got executed the last time
[04:48] <tehpwn> abattoir nothgin printed back
[04:48] <abattoir> tehpwn: dmesg ?
[04:48] <tehpwn> k
[04:48] <jughead> tehpwn:  before you do "modprobe ndiswrapper" make sure you do "depmod -a"
[04:49] <tehpwn> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2421/
[04:49] <distro-tester> strange can't find wine in adept has just libwine libwinedev and winefish wich one i must install?
[04:50] <jughead> tehpwn, does it work?
[04:50] <tehpwn> does what work?
[04:50] <Jucato> distro-tester: what are you trying to install?
[04:50] <distro-tester> wine
[04:50] <Jucato> distro-tester: er... install "wine"
[04:50] <DeadFishMan> !wine | distro-tester
[04:50] <ubotu> distro-tester: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[04:50] <abattoir> tehpwn: ok, ndiswrapper's been loaded... now try connecting
[04:50] <Jucato> !info wine | distro-tester
[04:50] <distro-tester> thanx
[04:50] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.22-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 9001 kB, installed size 42452 kB
[04:50] <tehpwn> jughead, the card dosent work if thats what your asking...
[04:50] <Jucato> distro-tester: make sure "universe" is enabled
[04:51] <distro-tester> it's on
[04:51] <tehpwn> abattoir, the light on the card hasnt lit up yet
[04:51] <tehpwn> usually it will
[04:51] <abattoir> tehpwn: is it on?
[04:51] <tehpwn> abattoir, the light? no
[04:51] <marmasso> Hey nobody speaks italian plese
[04:51] <abattoir> !it
[04:51] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[04:52] <abattoir> tehpwn: some cards have an external switch/button...
[04:52] <tehpwn> Hehe, no it dosent have that
[04:52] <levi__> what is the best cd extractor?
[04:52] <abattoir> tehpwn: could you paste the o/p of 'sudo iwconfig' ?
[04:52] <tehpwn> I have used this card before in windows and linux...
[04:52] <DeadFishMan> levi__: CD Extractor? What do you want to do?
[04:52] <tehpwn> abattoir, sure thing gimme a sec
[04:52] <levi__> rip a cd
[04:53] <abattoir> levi__: audio cd?
[04:53] <DeadFishMan> levi__: Use KAudioCreator
[04:53] <tehpwn> abattoir, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2422/
[04:53] <levi__> i did
[04:53] <DeadFishMan> levi__: And...?
[04:53] <levi__> but giving me an error
[04:54] <levi__> could not read /dev/cdrom
[04:54] <DeadFishMan> levi__: What is the error message?
[04:54] <Jucato> !cdripping
[04:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cdripping - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:54] <DeadFishMan> levi__: Does /mnt/cdrom point to your CD-ROM drive?
[04:54] <tehpwn> !porn
[04:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about porn - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:54] <tehpwn> Aww :(
[04:54] <Jucato> !botabuse | tehpwn
[04:54] <ubotu> tehpwn: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[04:54] <abattoir> tehpwn: err... which version of kubuntu? did you remove/blacklist the native bcm43xx driver?
[04:55] <Jucato> !ripping | levi__
[04:55] <ubotu> levi__: For information about the Sound Juicer ripping application, read the Gnome help (Applications- Multimedia -Sound Juicer Manual). To rip an Audio CD in KDE, put it in and then put audiocd:// in the Konqueror URL bar; it's configurable in system settings.
[04:55] <tehpwn> abattoir, 6.06
[04:55] <levi__> /mnt/cdrom?
[04:55] <levi__> no
[04:55] <levi__> media/cdrom
[04:55] <tehpwn> abattoir, that is the driver that 'bxnp' gave me about 2 days ago in this channel
[04:55] <DeadFishMan> levi__: So that's the problem. You just need to change the mount point on the app settings
[04:56] <DeadFishMan> levi__: Or you can also follow this:
[04:56] <abattoir> tehpwn: bcm43xx?
[04:56] <DeadFishMan> !cdripping | levi__
[04:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cdripping - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:56] <DeadFishMan> !ripping | levi__
[04:56] <ubotu> levi__: For information about the Sound Juicer ripping application, read the Gnome help (Applications- Multimedia -Sound Juicer Manual). To rip an Audio CD in KDE, put it in and then put audiocd:// in the Konqueror URL bar; it's configurable in system settings.
[04:56] <tehpwn> tehpwn@tuxbox:~$ ndiswrapper -l
[04:56] <tehpwn> Installed ndis drivers:
[04:56] <tehpwn> bcmwl5a         driver present, hardware present
[04:56] <tehpwn> abattoir, that one
[04:56] <abattoir> tehpwn: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Dapper?highlight=%28WifiDocs%2FDriver%29 should explain it
[04:57] <abattoir> (assuming your linksys card does use a bcm chipset)
[04:57] <tehpwn> IDK?
[04:58] <levi__> deadfishman can i just change the drive i want to you/?
[04:59] <abattoir> tehpwn: you installed the windows driver that came w/ the card right?(through ndiswrapper) ?
[04:59] <abattoir> tehpwn: ok, your card used bcm chipset... now read that link... or if you prefer, i'll guide you step by step
[05:00] <DeadFishMan> levi__: Sorry... I didn't understand that. If you are asking if you need to change the mount point to /media/cdrom, then the answer is yes
[05:00] <abattoir> *uses
[05:00] <tehpwn> abattoir, yeah i'm reading it folowing along
[05:01] <tehpwn> abattoir, the driver that i downloaded from linksys.com for XP didnt work.. thats why this driver was given to me by 'bxnp'
[05:01] <tehpwn> approx 2 days ago
[05:01] <distro-tester> brb
[05:01] <abattoir> tehpwn: ok, i hope he knew what he was doing... you should be reading 1.1 in that page
[05:02] <tehpwn> abattoir, already past that
[05:02] <distro-tester> wine has on for 32 bit arch im 64 is that ok?
[05:02] <abattoir> tehpwn: you did that the last time?
[05:03] <abattoir> distro-tester: you will not be able to directly run wine on a 64-bit install
[05:03] <tehpwn> abattoir, no im doing it just now... i dont recall exactually what i did last time
[05:03] <stamen> hi
[05:03] <stamen> please help
[05:03] <abattoir> tehpwn: ok, that's all you need to do... does it work now?
[05:03] <distro-tester> o so how can i do im amd 3000 64 bit
[05:03] <stamen> I started to delete my partition with movies
[05:03] <DeadFishMan> !ask | stamen
[05:03] <ubotu> stamen: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:03] <tehpwn> abattoir, no still the same
[05:04] <abattoir> distro-tester: have you installed a 64-bit version of kubuntu?
[05:04] <stamen> and I have caneled the operation
[05:04] <distro-tester> yes
[05:04] <distro-tester> 6.10
[05:04] <stamen> at the benginig
[05:04] <abattoir> distro-tester: oh, then you should be fine
[05:04] <stamen> but now I don;t see anything int the partition
[05:04] <distro-tester> ty
[05:04] <stamen> after remounting all is the same
[05:04] <stamen> there is nothing
[05:04] <DeadFishMan> stamen: Does it mount without errors?
[05:04] <tehpwn> abattoir, is there a command or something that i can do so I can just start all over??
[05:04] <abattoir> tehpwn: which tool are you using to connect?
[05:05] <stamen> DeadFishMan: yes it mounted without errorsd
[05:05] <stamen> DeadFishMan: yes it mounted without errors
[05:05] <abattoir> tehpwn: start over from where exactly?
[05:05] <stamen> after this command df -h
[05:05] <tehpwn> abattoir, the one that comes with kubuntu... called : wireless lan manager
[05:05] <DeadFishMan> stamen: What filesystem did you use on that partition?
[05:05] <stamen> it says that the partition is not empty
[05:05] <abattoir> tehpwn: does it detect your network(s) ?
[05:05] <stamen> et3
[05:05] <stamen> ext3
[05:05] <tehpwn> abattoir, idk, from where what ever the heck i did is fixable :-p
[05:05] <tehpwn> abattoir, no the card isnt even turing on still
[05:06] <stamen> DeadFishMan: the strange is that it is still with the information
[05:06] <stamen> DeadFishMan: but I can;t see the files
[05:06] <tehpwn> abattoir, and im sitting litterally 2 feet away from the router just to make sure i can get a good connection... if it ever decides to go on..
[05:06] <abattoir> tehpwn: hmm... did you run those commands on that page?
[05:06] <tehpwn> abattoir, yes
[05:07] <abattoir> tehpwn: ok, do a 'sudo iwlist eth1 scan'
[05:07] <abattoir> tehpwn: do you see your networok?
[05:07] <abattoir> *network
[05:08] <tehpwn> tehpwn@tuxbox:~$ sudo iwlist eth1 scan
[05:08] <tehpwn> eth1      Interface doesn't support scanning.
[05:08] <link> stamen: it's ok.  switch to windows
[05:08] <abattoir> tehpwn: could you pastebin 'sudo iwconfig' again?
[05:08] <tehpwn> sure thing
[05:08] <stamen> and
[05:08] <stamen> link: after that what to do
[05:09] <link> stamen: lol  I was just kidding.
[05:09] <blackflag> !backup
[05:09] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[05:09] <stamen> link:  It's serious
[05:09] <stamen> link: please tell me
[05:09] <tehpwn> abattoir, wow it really messed up now.... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2423/
[05:09] <stamen> link: what to do
[05:09] <link> stamen: lol  I was just kidding.
[05:09] <stamen> link: It's not funny
[05:09] <stamen> link: :(
[05:09] <distro-tester> ok i made first mess i wanted o dowload wine and did has wike told me added this to repos eb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt edgy main
[05:09] <link> stamen: ok... i just came in on the convo... what's you're problem?
[05:09] <ForgeAus> I got 2 much data to back up! lol
[05:10] <distro-tester> now tells me i med a mistake and to try to fix it from console
[05:10] <distro-tester> adept can't open any more says
[05:10] <stamen> link: in my mistake I started to delete one of my partitions
[05:10] <DeadFishMan> stamen: I dunno if this works so I can't endorse it but you can try: http://www.diskinternals.com/linux-recovery/
[05:10] <ForgeAus> distro-tester wine is already in  one fo the universe or multiverse repositories I think
[05:10] <stamen> link: I canceled the operation
[05:10] <Skrot> Hi. When booting the Kubuntu Edgy install CD, I get an error: "Mount: function not implemented". The .iso has the correct md5sum. Any ideas?
[05:10] <abattoir> tehpwn: hmm.. ok, do a 'sudo rmmod ndiswrapper' and 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper' again
[05:10] <ForgeAus> you don't need bidget dedicated repository...
[05:10] <ForgeAus> but it might have a newer version (which isn't necessarily stable)
[05:10] <stamen> link: and now I can;t see the files
[05:10] <abattoir> tehpwn: then pastebin the last few lines of 'dmesg'
[05:11] <tehpwn> tehpwn@tuxbox:~$ sudo rmmod ndiswrapper
[05:11] <tehpwn> Segmentation fault
[05:11] <tehpwn> tehpwn@tuxbox:~$
[05:11] <link> stamen: huh...  I'm not god at partitioning, but I'll try to help
[05:11] <abattoir> tehpwn: kinda getting repetitive ain't it? ;)
[05:11] <DeadFishMan> stamen: It is a free (as in free beer) Windows utility intended to recover data from ext2/ext3 formatted partitions
[05:11] <Racchio> Hi there! I have two sound cards on my desktop pc: an onboard one and a PCI one. They both works nice but ARTS uses just one of these (the onboard one). There's any way to tell ARTS to use both or to use the PCI one? Thanks :)
[05:11] <distro-tester> how do  i fix the mistake i made in adept that won't open any more?
[05:11] <Phlosten> i think wine was backported to the newest version
[05:11] <abattoir> tehpwn: err.. what did you do?
[05:11] <stamen> link: after df -h, it says that there is still not empty
[05:11] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago_: hello!!
[05:11] <abattoir> tehpwn: i'd suggest a reboot at this stage :)
[05:11] <tehpwn> abattoir, lol, its stuck on that 2nd command
[05:11] <stamen> DeadFishMan: I will try
[05:11] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago_: you have a tail :)
[05:12] <tehpwn> abattoir, hehe, ok ill be back :-p
[05:12] <abattoir> tehpwn: ok
[05:12] <Admiral_Chicago_> I have two clients, irssi and konversation
[05:12] <Admiral_Chicago_> working on setting it up how I like it
[05:12] <link> stamen: lol... i'm newb.  first time I heard of "dh"
[05:12] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago_: hehe :)
[05:12] <BluesKaj> distro-tester, sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[05:12] <stamen> link: it is df -h
[05:12] <abattoir> hi BluesKaj :)
[05:12] <stamen> DeadFishMan: I will try it now
[05:13] <link> stamen: right I tried the command on my computer
[05:13] <stamen> DeadFishMan: hope it works
[05:13] <BluesKaj> hi abattoir , how's things?
[05:13] <guyz> list #*ubuntu*
[05:13] <abattoir> BluesKaj: fine here... you?
[05:13] <guyz> oops..
[05:13] <link> stamen: hey good luck.  if it was me, I'd back up information and reinstall
[05:13] <MidMark> hi
[05:13] <BluesKaj> fine too :) thx
[05:13] <distro-tester> ok thanx blues everytime happens must be carefool
[05:13] <stamen> link: 10x
[05:14] <MidMark> I've a problem: a pc that connects with a modem, it connects, but cannot reach internet, ping doesn't work, previously used ethernet modem, what you suggests?
[05:14] <link> stamen:  no 10q
[05:14] <BluesKaj> distro-tester, make a textfile and save the commands ppl give to fix stuff , that's what i do :)
[05:14] <Deergus> How can I make certain applications start on startup?
[05:14] <link> stamen:  (dont know why,  but thanks :) )
[05:14] <DeadFishMan> MidMark: You probably have DNS issues
[05:14] <distro-tester> ok
[05:15] <distro-tester> i did the command nothing happend do
[05:15] <BluesKaj> Deergus, leave them open when you quit , they'll start up again when you login :)
[05:15] <DeadFishMan> MidMark: If you use KPPP to dial to the internet, ask your ISP for the DNS and then either update KPPP accordingly or edit /etc/resolv.conf and add them there
[05:15] <tehpwn> Ok I'm back!
[05:15] <MidMark> DeadFishMan: no, ping doesn't work with ip number not name
[05:15] <Deergus> There should be a better way. I want beryl and emerald to start on startup..
[05:15] <MidMark> dns are just updated in kppp
[05:15] <Deergus> anyone?
[05:15] <MidMark> other ideas?
[05:16] <abattoir> tehpwn: ok, works now?
[05:16] <DeadFishMan> MidMark: So it is the other way around, then? It does ping using the hostname but not with the IP address?
[05:16] <tehpwn> abattoir, hehe, no
[05:16] <Admiral_Chicago_> Deergus: perhaps #beryl knows, or link to it in ~/.kde/autostart
[05:16] <abattoir> tehpwn: if it doesn't, try 'sudo rmmod bcm43xx' , 'sudo rmmod ndiswrapper' and finally 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper'
[05:16] <abattoir> tehpwn: (hoping it doesn't segfault now)
[05:16] <distro-tester> maby if i reboot it will solve the problem that adept crashed for the mistake i made adding a site in it
[05:16] <abattoir> tehpwn: then post the output of 'sudo iwconfig'
[05:16] <tehpwn> abattoir,
[05:16] <tehpwn> tehpwn@tuxbox:~$ sudo rmmod bcm43xx
[05:16] <tehpwn> ERROR: Module bcm43xx does not exist in /proc/modules
[05:17] <abattoir> tehpwn: ok, that's fine
[05:17] <tehpwn> abattoir
[05:17] <tehpwn> tehpwn@tuxbox:~$ sudo rmmod ndiswrapper
[05:17] <tehpwn> ERROR: Module ndiswrapper does not exist in /proc/modules
[05:17] <bart132> i have a problem with kdevelop i think ...  *n00b*
[05:17] <abattoir> tehpwn: that's ok... for now
[05:17] <distro-tester> brb
[05:18] <tehpwn> abattoir, Whoooooo!
[05:18] <tehpwn> the light is on
[05:18] <BluesKaj> distro-tester, just "end current session"
[05:18] <abattoir> tehpwn: good :)
[05:18] <BluesKaj> oops
[05:18] <tehpwn> i'll try to connect, see what happens
[05:18] <abattoir> tehpwn: ok
[05:19] <MidMark> DeadFishMan: it doesn't work neither with www.google.it neither with the ip number
[05:20] <DeadFishMan> MidMark: What IP address are you trying to ping? Also note that certain servers on the Net refuses ping (ICMP packets) as they can be used on a ICMP flood attack
[05:20] <tehpwn> abattoir, ok, i'm on
[05:20] <abattoir> tehpwn: works?
[05:20] <tehpwn> abattoir, appears so
[05:20] <bart132> i can't execute my code ... it says something like make doesn#t find the command "aclocal"
[05:20] <abattoir> tehpwn: ok, could you pastebin the output of 'ndiswrapper' ?
[05:20] <DeadFishMan> MidMark: They set their firewalls so that the connection attempt is either rejected (giving the network is unreachable-style of message) or just nenying it
[05:21] <DeadFishMan> *denying
[05:21] <tehpwn> abattoir, sure thing (but it's just a bunch of options)
[05:21] <abattoir> tehpwn: yeah, i want to know which one, so that it'd startup automatically(you don't need to run the command everytime)
[05:21] <MidMark> ping 209.85.129.99 -> google
[05:21] <MidMark> it accepts ping so it is not this the problem
[05:22] <tehpwn> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2426/  abattoir
[05:22] <sagemcr> windows
[05:22] <CaseyOmah> !xvid
[05:22] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:22] <abattoir> tehpwn: ok, run 'sudo ndiswrapper -m'
[05:22] <bart132> hmm can't anyone help me ?
[05:23] <abattoir> tehpwn: and then 'sudo depmod -a'
[05:23] <Jucato> bart132: in case no one replies soon, you can try #kdevelop
[05:23] <abattoir> bart132: what's the problem?
[05:23] <DeadFishMan> MidMark: But your problem is just that you can't ping external hosts?
[05:24] <DeadFishMan> MidMark: In other words, can you browse to that site without problems?
[05:24] <MidMark> no
[05:24] <bart132> i think it's because i'm just unknowing ... i can't execute my code it says that make doesn't know the command "aclocal"
[05:24] <Jucato> abattoir: <bart132> i can't execute my code ... it says something like make doesn#t find the command "aclocal"
[05:24] <tehpwn> abattoir, done & done
[05:25] <abattoir> bart132: i think it's a part of automake .. do you have it installed?
[05:26] <abattoir> bart132: automake-1.x
[05:26] <DeadFishMan> MidMark: Please provide further details about your problem. If just ping fails, then most likely a firewall on your end (some routers-like net appliances do have certain ports/protocols blocked on them) or a firewall in the other end is causing problems
[05:26] <bart132> uhm ... no :D
[05:26] <abattoir> tehpwn: ok, good, it should(hopefully) start automatically... w/o you having to run 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper' everytime
[05:26] <abattoir> bart132: install it :)
[05:26] <tehpwn> abattoir, awesome
[05:26] <tehpwn> thanks you so much
[05:27] <abattoir> tehpwn: no problem :)
[05:27] <tehpwn> lol
[05:27] <abattoir> hehe
[05:27] <bart132> thnx :)
[05:27] <MidMark> no ping no web
[05:27] <distro-tester> ok the mess is done will me more carefool next time fish how do i solve this adpet proble i istalled the site wike told me for wine and since then won't open any more saying try apt - get install update to solve problem
[05:27] <distro-tester> m*
[05:27] <DeadFishMan> distro-tester: Try apt-get -f install
[05:27] <distro-tester> ok
[05:28] <distro-tester> as root or normal user?
[05:28] <DeadFishMan> distro-tester: But be careful when doing that. Read carefully what apt says as it tends to remove lots of packages in order to remove what it thinks is broken dependencies
[05:28] <DeadFishMan> distro-tester: root. Either use sudo -s or su
[05:28] <distro-tester> says nothing couse dosen't recon it
[05:29] <distro-tester> im logged as root now sudo su
[05:29] <gan|y|med> hi @ all
[05:29] <gan|y|med> cpu temp question
[05:29] <distro-tester> i think i broke system again damn before was automatix to do that to adept
[05:29] <distro-tester> is there a way to recover the mess?
[05:30] <BluesKaj> geezus  automatix again
[05:30] <DeadFishMan> Gotta go now... See you later, fellas
[05:30] <distro-tester> later
[05:30] <gan|y|med> i have a nb with a pentium m (1.86 ghz). nhc shows me 55C in windows, ksenors shows me 58C. i am not that much worried about the difference, but rather if the value can be considered normal.
[05:31] <gan|y|med> can anybody please comment on this?
[05:31] <tehpwn> Is there a way I can 'bind' the 'Start Button' on my keyboard to open the kicker bar?
[05:31] <distro-tester> ok blues i tryied to put the url wiki told me for wine in adept but some thing went wrong so must find a way to open it back
[05:31] <BluesKaj> apt-get -f install, can revert to default drivers on some hardware , in my experience . or apt-get update can as well
[05:32] <gan|y|med> what temp is considered normal on a notebook with pentium m?
[05:32] <distro-tester> diden't work here hope i don't have to reinstall system again
[05:32] <BluesKaj> sorry apt-get upgrade
[05:33] <frenris> How do I unpack a passworded .rar with unrar?
[05:33] <gan|y|med> use ark
[05:33] <gan|y|med> maybe?
[05:33] <frenris> ark doesn't work with passwords
[05:33] <gan|y|med> oh, sorry. thought it would
[05:33] <abattoir> frenris: 'unrar x <file>' should work in a cli
[05:34] <frenris> x being the pw? kk
[05:34] <BluesKaj> abattoir, what do you know about this : http://ubuntustudio.org/  ?
[05:34] <abattoir> frenris: no, x is the command for 'extracting' it
[05:34] <abattoir> frenris: it'll prompt you for the password
[05:34] <gan|y|med> is there no gui programme that can handle passwds?
[05:34] <abattoir> BluesKaj: little really...
[05:35] <abattoir> BluesKaj: i haven't really been active the last few weeks, so haven't been following the stuff around much, learnt about it from Slashdot ;)
[05:36] <abattoir> gan|y|med: maybe file-roller can... not sure
[05:36] <levi__> is there any program to shrink dvdz like dvdshrink for windows
[05:36] <BluesKaj> ok abattoir , i'm looking ...should have looked before asking :)
[05:36] <levi__> so i have turn dvd from 6.8gb to 4.5gb
[05:37] <gan|y|med> not really an alternative in kde
[05:37] <distro-tester> can i use the backup manager to restore the problem whit adept or it works only if i did that before?
[05:37] <frenris> abattoir: ty
[05:38] <lenscape> !wireshark
[05:38] <ubotu> wireshark: network traffic analyzer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99.3a-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 545 kB, installed size 1528 kB
[05:38] <distro-tester> !adeptfix
[05:38] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[05:38] <lenscape> 99.3a is a very old version
[05:39] <distro-tester> !adept
[05:39] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[05:39] <lenscape> !latest wireshark
[05:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about latest wireshark - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:40] <lenscape> I would like to take the good bits from kubuntu and the good bits for suse and combine them into a distro that actually works properly
[05:40] <blanck> why
[05:40] <blanck> tiago sucks
[05:41] <tiago> ?
[05:41] <tiago> ?
[05:41] <tiago> ?
[05:41] <tiago> ?
[05:41] <tiago> ?
[05:41] <lenscape> tiago: don't be a tit
[05:41] <Jiraiya> ss
[05:41] <blanck> heinrich himmler
[05:41] <Jiraiya> salut
[05:42] <chuen> Hi. Can someone remind me of the command to kill 'apt-get' pls?
[05:42] <lenscape> ctrl-c?
[05:42] <blanck> joseph goebbels
[05:42] <chuen> lenscape: ?
[05:43] <gan|y|med> any clue, why superkaramba (i know, it's not gnome) does not display temps, though lm-sensors is installed???
[05:43] <blanck> gring
[05:43] <chuen> lenscape: I did it ince before, but forgot the command.
[05:43] <blanck> rhm
[05:46] <distro-tester> so i have to reinstall kubuntu or there's a way to get adept back running?
[05:46] <blanck> hindenburg
[05:46] <distro-tester> i leared it's best to use the kubuntu back up tool for everything now
[05:47] <distro-tester> as it's 2 time i must reinstall couse i mess up adept
[05:47] <blanck> albert speer
[05:48] <Dr_willis> how are you messing up adept?
[05:48] <distro-tester> yes sorry dr
[05:48] <distro-tester> this time i putted the site wiki told me to use to get wine and now won't load
[05:48] <blanck> hess
[05:48] <distro-tester> says try apt stuff to fix it but i did and nothis
[05:48] <distro-tester> nothing*
[05:48] <Dr_willis> You mean you edited the apt.source file?
[05:48] <blanck> himmler
[05:48] <BluesKaj> !de | blanck
[05:48] <ubotu> blanck: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[05:48] <blanck> gring
[05:48] <blanck> goebbels
[05:48] <distro-tester> yes
[05:49] <MidMark> I've a problem: with a modem I can connects but I cannot ping anything, dns are entered, what can be the problem?
[05:49] <blanck> himmler
[05:49] <gan|y|med> how do i get superkaramba scripts to display cpu temp?
[05:49] <blanck> hitler
[05:49] <blanck> hindenburg
[05:49] <distro-tester> blanck can u shut up
[05:49] <distro-tester> im trying to solve
[05:49] <blanck> distro-tester sucks
[05:49] <distro-tester> i putted the wiki kubuntu url in adept repos dr and then made some mistake that crash it
[05:50] <blanck> distro-tester sucks
[05:50] <distro-tester> !wine
[05:50] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[05:50] <BluesKaj> !ops
[05:50] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, or DBO
[05:50] <puchat3k> what type of colors do i have to change to have a white on black color scheme in konverstaion? backbround is rather obvious when i change that i dont see any text
[05:50] <blanck> distro-tester sucks
[05:50] <gan|y|med> how do i get superkaramba scripts to display cpu temp??
[05:51] <Dr_willis> distro-tester,   it pays to backup your origial files befor editing things.
[05:51] <BluesKaj> !ops | blanck
[05:51] <ubotu> blanck: Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, or DBO
[05:51] <Dr_willis> distro-tester, you should be able to change it back and apt-get update, and get things going.
[05:51] <distro-tester> i discovered that now i must back up
[05:51] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: ?
[05:51] <distro-tester> ok how i do that as nothing can fix it in terminal since now
[05:51] <Dr_willis> gan|y|med,  i imagine it depends on the superkaramba widget.
[05:51] <BluesKaj> get rid of that annoying blanck ..he disrupting
[05:52] <chuen> I have a problem with adept because it claims apt-get is still running.
[05:52] <MidMark> I've a problem: with a modem I can connects but I cannot ping anything, dns are entered, what can be the problem?
[05:52] <distro-tester> does snypetic give less problems?
[05:52] <Dr_willis> !fixadept
[05:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fixadept - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:52] <chuen> It''s happened once before and someone gave me the comand to kill it.
[05:52] <MidMark> distro-tester: synaptic is far far better than adept
[05:52] <BluesKaj> thx gnomefreak
[05:52] <Dr_willis> chuen,  i cant rember the factoid either...
[05:52] <Dr_willis> !search adept
[05:52] <ubotu> Found: packages,adeptfix,adeptcrashfix,adept fix,deborphan,dpkg fix crash,adept,apt,adept fix crash,dpkg crash fix
[05:52] <Dr_willis> !adeptfix
[05:52] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[05:53] <gan|y|med> Dr_willis: most of them don't work (all except one. i have tried 10 so far).
[05:53] <distro-tester> ill use that then u can add identic stuff in it mark for repository?=
[05:53] <distro-tester> i nead the same programs as adept
[05:53] <chuen> Dr_willis: Thx
[05:54] <Sirmis> hi
[05:54] <chuen> Dr_willis: That worked OK - thanks.
[05:55] <BluesKaj> hi Sirmis , suomalainen eh ? :)
[05:55] <distro-tester> The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[05:55] <MidMark> I've a problem: with a modem I can connects but I cannot ping anything, dns are entered, what can be the problem? Please help!
[05:55] <distro-tester> this is the error i get
[05:56] <Sirmis> i can't remember "vga=??" line to grub to get 1280x1024 resolution
[05:57] <BluesKaj> i know this is an obvious question distro-tester, but do you have synaptic open ?
[05:57] <distro-tester> adept i use
[05:57] <distro-tester> no btw
[05:57] <BluesKaj> ok
[05:57] <distro-tester> won't open
[05:57] <chuen> Can anyone recommend an app (with GUI) to backup Kubuntu pls?
[05:58] <BluesKaj> did you enter your password , distro-tester ?
[05:58] <distro-tester> yes
[05:58] <distro-tester> then says that
[05:58] <Sirmis> 1280x1024 32 bit shell resolution ... anyone ?
[05:58] <MidMark> I can connects, but damn no internet at all, no ping to ip, no ping to www.google.it
[05:58] <distro-tester> so u tell me all to use snypetic ?
[05:59] <distro-tester> im tired of adept crashing
[05:59] <BluesKaj> well then it's hidden and it's prolly stuck open , distro-tester , reboot pls
[05:59] <distro-tester> i did
[05:59] <Sirmis> MidMark: do you use dhcp ? or what ?
[05:59] <BluesKaj> you have to do it again to close it
[05:59] <MidMark> no it's a analogic modem
[05:59] <tehpwn> Ok, so I'm mounting my iPod in amarok... Before it connect I have to set a mount point. I chose /media/ipod... so when the ipod get plugged in what is the "Pre-Connect Command" (ex: mount %d)
[05:59] <BluesKaj> reboot
[05:59] <distro-tester> many times?
[05:59] <distro-tester> couse i did it once
[06:00] <Dr_willis> chuen,  depends on what sort of backup you want to di.
[06:00] <MidMark> Sirmis: I have entered dns but dosn't work, should I add the option "assign default route to this gateway"?
[06:00] <Dr_willis> chuen,  for a full system 'backup/restore' cd/dvd set - i tend to use Mondo/Mindi
[06:00] <BluesKaj> once should be enuff , then run sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[06:00] <tehpwn> repost: Ok, so I'm mounting my iPod in amarok... Before it connect I have to set a mount point. I chose /media/ipod... so when the ipod get plugged in what is the "Pre-Connect Command" (ex: mount %d)
[06:01] <chuen> Dr_willis: Well, in case my system crashes in a serious way or gets locked - to back up essentials  to external HD
[06:01] <frenris> How would I install cinelerra? I dled the .deb packages that are linked to from here http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php under "ubuntu," but when I try to install any of them I get a message saying that it depends on on the other packages.
[06:01] <chuen> Dr_willis: Yes, I could do it to CD.
[06:02] <tehpwn> !ipod
[06:02] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[06:02] <Dr_willis> chuen,  all the really imporntant stuff would be your users /home dirs.. unless you got a lot of customized configs.. so i guess ya need to decide what you want to backup and how to restore. I tend to just backup /home every so often to a spare hd.
[06:03] <gan|y|med> i have 100% cou usage, but top shows only 20-30. but the nb is running with full power. any ideas why?
[06:03] <Dr_willis> chuen,  your system shouldent 'crash' or 'get locked up' to such a extent that ya cant fix it. :)
[06:03] <chuen> Dr_willis: I'll install 'mondo' and take a look.
[06:04] <Dr_willis> chuen,  mondo/mindi work together. :)
[06:04] <chuen> Dr_willis: Just some paranoia left over from windoze daze :)
[06:04] <Dr_willis> !info mondo
[06:04] <ubotu> mondo: powerful disaster recovery suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.08-2-2 (edgy), package size 391 kB, installed size 1128 kB
[06:04] <Dr_willis> !info mindi
[06:04] <ubotu> mindi: creates boot/root disks based on your system. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.09-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 152 kB, installed size 732 kB (Only available for amd64 i386 ia64)
[06:04] <chuen> Dr_willis: I'll install mindi too then :)
[06:05] <MidMark> Sirmis: the problem is the default gateway shown with command route is still 192.168.1.1 that was with the ethernet, now how can I set the one gives by kppp connection?
[06:05] <tehpwn> !ipod tehpwn
[06:05] <ubotu> ipod: tool for retrieving informations from iPods. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 14 kB, installed size 64 kB
[06:05] <tehpwn> !ipod | tehpwn
[06:05] <ubotu> tehpwn: For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[06:06] <gan|y|med> ok, are there any issues with cpu scaling in edgy? i have nothing running except standard kde desktop and my cpu is running on full power
[06:06] <frenris> How would I install cinelerra? I dled the .deb packages that are linked to from here http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php under "ubuntu," but when I try to install any of them I get a message saying that it depends on on the other packages.
[06:06] <Sirmis> MidMark: dhcp or not ?
[06:06] <frenris> !cinelerra
[06:06] <ubotu> cinelerra is a video editor and compositor. Install instructions can be found on http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php#ubuntu
[06:07] <MidMark> Sirmis: I'm NOT with ethernet so there is no dhcp
[06:07] <MidMark> I'm with an analogic modem
[06:07] <Dr_willis> frenris,  thats part of the job of the package manager - to install addational depends as needed. doing it manually - i guess ya need to see what depends it says it needs and install them first.
[06:07] <tehpwn> !xgl | tehpwn
[06:07] <ubotu> tehpwn: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[06:07] <Sirmis> MidMark: have you seen "man ifconfig" ?
[06:07] <chuen> Dr_willis: Can't finf mindi or mondo in menus - are the cmd line only?
[06:08] <MidMark> Sirmis: no but if you can say to me would be great
[06:08] <Dr_willis> chuen,  yes. Time to read the homepage/docs - its a rather... powerfull tool.
[06:09] <Dr_willis> chuen,  i normally ise it after i do a clean install and sort of 'mirror' the system - so i can go back to the initial setup easially.
[06:10] <Sirmis> MidMark: if you need to set ip etc to your nic you can use ifconfig to do that
[06:10] <xera> what's the cmd to generate the md5hash of a file?
[06:10] <MidMark> Sirmis: ok so I want to configure gateway to the one that return kppp connection
[06:11] <Dr_willis> md5sum filename
[06:11] <chuen> Dr_willis: OK, ta.
[06:11] <MidMark> but ifconfig works with kppp connections?
[06:12] <unix_infidel> ifconfig works with most all interfaces :)
[06:12] <unix_infidel> even those that dont really "exist", case in point: virtual bridges :)
[06:12] <Sirmis> MidMark: sorry .. but i have no idea what you mean :/
[06:12] <MidMark> unix_infidel: ok so how can I tell to always uses the gateway returned from a kppp connection instead of 192.168.1.1 that is the default now?
[06:13] <frenris> Dr_willis, but how then do I get the package manager to do its job? I tell it to install one of the packages in my /home directory and it shouts but a whole list of other packages without getting them or installing the ones already in my home directory that I dled.
[06:13] <unix_infidel> MidMark: I havent done ppp since like 1995
[06:13] <MidMark> Sirmis: the problem is I have the default gateway set to "192.168.1.1" and I want to set the default to the one that dynamically return kppp every time I caonnects... is it clear?
[06:14] <unix_infidel> I'd assume kppp can do that for you.
[06:14] <Minataku> unix_infidel: You must have one massively swollen bladder
[06:14] <Minataku> *rimshot*
[06:14] <MidMark> unix_infidel: it doesn't
[06:14] <xtoxico> I have some problems with Bery/XGL and my ATI x600se... All works ok but the font on the screen is very very small, somebody with the same problem??
[06:14] <Minataku> Sorry, had to take the immature angle... it's all for the humor
[06:14] <Minataku> XD
[06:14] <MidMark> unix_infidel: it returns the gateway but the default remains 192.168.1.1 so I cannot connect
[06:14] <Dr_willis> frenris,  you are bypassing the  features that you are wanting, by downloading the individual packages that way. You want to let it download the  packages from a repo.
[06:14] <Minataku> xtoxico: The problem is simple... your eyes are too small
[06:14] <Minataku> XD
[06:14] <xtoxico> Xdddd
[06:15] <Dr_willis> frenris,  or you start using dpkg -i whatever.deb and hope ya get the right order/packages all installed.
[06:15] <Dr_willis> frenris,  you are trying to outsmart it. :)
[06:15] <unix_infidel> Minataku: I havent done human nutrient extraction since 1949.
[06:15] <unix_infidel> I do cold fusion exclusively :)
[06:15] <Minataku> unix_infidel: lol
[06:15] <Minataku> Touche XD
[06:15] <Dr_willis> frenris,  you could do a 'dpkg -i *.deb' if you think you got them all.
[06:15] <Minataku> xtoxico: Perhaps there's a config line you overlooked somewhere?
[06:16] <MidMark> help?
[06:16] <xtoxico> I try to change DPI resolution to 96 but It doesn't work
[06:16] <Minataku> I can't really help beyond basic troubleshooting, I've never used Beryl
[06:17] <Minataku> I just wanted to try to help to make up for the bad joke XD (Sorry, BTW X3 )
[06:18] <xera> hmm
[06:18] <xtoxico> don't worry minataku, I can work with gnome
[06:18] <xera> i can't install unrar ;s
[06:18] <xtoxico> but I like Beryl
[06:18] <Minataku> xtoxico: I'm sure if you wait around someone who can help will
[06:18] <xtoxico> I hope it
[06:19] <poningru> ca!rar
[06:19] <poningru> err
[06:19] <poningru> !unrar
[06:19] <ubotu> unrar is rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression  There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[06:19] <BluesKaj> !eyecandy
[06:19] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[06:19] <Minataku> I'm not one for resource-hogging, ugly, massively-useless UIs
[06:19] <Minataku> If I wanted one I'd switch back to Vista
[06:20] <Minataku> s/back//
[06:20] <xtoxico> vista Sucks!!
[06:20] <Minataku> But that's all just my opinion
[06:20] <poningru> Minataku: beauty of beryl: all the benefits of os x/vista (and more) without the bloat
[06:20] <Minataku> Yeah, but as far as completely useless UIs go, Vista is top of the heap
[06:21] <Minataku> poningru: That's where my thinking differs, I don't see a UI that requires a high-end graphics card to be non-bloated or beneficial
[06:21] <poningru> ... it doesnt need a high end card
[06:21] <MidMark> guys none that uses kppp? How can I add the default gateway returned by the connection?
[06:21] <Minataku> It's already using more resources than is required for something that shouldn't really be seen more than it absolutely needs to
[06:22] <Minataku> I use Fluxbox, BTW, to put what I mean into perspective
[06:22] <poningru> ah gotcha
[06:22] <BluesKaj> I just make sure i have a nice pic for desktop background ...that's all the graphics trickery i need :)
[06:22] <Minataku> BluesKaj: Indeed
[06:22] <Minataku> I load one up via xv then leave it on the root window
[06:22] <xtoxico> touche!!
[06:23] <Minataku> Speaking of, it's been... uh
[06:23] <Minataku>  12:21:30 up 25 days, 23:13,  6 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.05, 0.36
[06:23] <Minataku> 25d since last change
[06:23] <Minataku> lol
[06:23] <surgy> !nvidia
[06:23] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:23] <Minataku> Almost 26d
[06:23] <Minataku> Hm
[06:23] <Minataku> !xv
[06:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:24] <Minataku> No xv?! Blasphemy!
[06:24] <MidMark> How can I add the default gateway returned by a kppp connection?
[06:24] <xtoxico> another question..... Fglrx or dri for ATI's cards??
[06:25] <xera> hmm
[06:25] <Xera> can i resize my linux partition while it's running?
[06:25] <xtoxico> Xera: NO, you cannot
[06:26] <dust> Xera: if it's lvm, you can
[06:26] <Xera> then how do i change the size? -.-
[06:26] <Xera> dust: lvm?
[06:26] <dust> logical volume manager (?)
[06:26] <dust> something along those lines
[06:26] <Xera> and how do i check that?
[06:27] <Dr_willis> this line of questions is getting scary. :)
[06:27] <xtoxico> the most simple than you can do is download de LiveCd Gpart!
[06:27] <frenris_> Xera: ya just get a gparted livecd
[06:27] <Minataku> Changed!
[06:27] <frenris_> !gparted
[06:27] <Xera> damn it
[06:27] <ubotu> gparted is gparted is a GUI partitioning program, "sudo apt-get install gparted", also available as a live cd http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[06:27] <Xera> lol
[06:28] <Xera> ok back in a bit
[06:28] <dust> Xera: uhm... sudo lvm -> lvdisplay I think
[06:28] <dust> I guess if "lvm" gives you error messages, you don't use it
[06:28] <dust> :P
[06:29] <Admiral_Chicago_> i'm trying to sync my google contacts with Kmail, any way to do it
[06:29] <Balsamic_Chicken> hey guys, anyone know a solution to the problem here? http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg139467.html
[06:29] <dust> hmmm are there any way of using gparted with lvm?
[06:30] <xtoxico> dust: I think so
[06:30] <dust> xtoxico: if I just launch gparted, it shows as a unrecongnized lvm volume
[06:32] <xtoxico> dust: Ouch!
[06:32] <tehpwn> !ipod | tehpwn
[06:32] <ubotu> tehpwn: For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[06:32] <frenris_> !pastebin
[06:32] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:32] <prower> Hello :> I recently upgraded to 6.10, and lately I've had a lot of problems with Kaffeine...specifically it seems as if the system's locking up randomly a lot of the times that I use it :/ Anyone else had this problem?
[06:33] <dust> oh, forgot to mention: I'm using luks (?) to encrypt all my partitions 'cept for /boot
[06:35] <xtoxico> dust: I'm wrong, Gparted cannot use with LVM
[06:35] <xtoxico> look this http://gparted.sourceforge.net/larry/generalities/gparted.htm
[06:36] <renato> so, I'm having trouble installing webmin, anyone, any pointers_
[06:36] <renato> ?
[06:36] <dust> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=293299
[06:36] <dust> renato: what sort of problems?
[06:37] <renato> well I downloaded the deb package from their site and when I run the install it stumbles upon dependency issues
[06:37] <xtoxico> ciao dust
[06:37] <renato> and if I try to sudo apt-get install the "dependencies" they are broken or don't exist
[06:37] <Balsamic_Chicken> hey guys, anyone know a solution to the problem here? http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg139467.html
[06:37] <dust> xtoxico: later
[06:38] <dust> renato: got similar problems myself - getting the feeling that *buntu respositories are way outdated and old
[06:39] <renato> yes
[06:42] <Dr_willis> renato,  you may want to use the sources for webmin from the webmin site.
[06:42] <Dr_willis> renato,  not the packages.
[06:42] <Dr_willis> webmin is sort of not gettting much support from ubuntu/debian any more.
[06:43] <Bipolar> renato: iirc, the deb on webmins site is made for debian, not ubuntu. hence, it's looking for old packages that ubuntu does not carry.
[06:43] <Bipolar> I always end up using the install script.
[06:43] <Bipolar> even on debian
[06:43] <Dr_willis> even debian i think is  getting where they dont support webmin any more i recall
[06:44] <Bipolar> webmin updates things a lot faster then debian does, and packages just don't get built. the script is the way to go.
[06:44] <renato> thanks Dr_willis, I also noticed I had my universe and multiverse repositories commented, I just uncommented them, It might come up now with sudo apt-get install
[06:44] <Dr_willis> renato,  with webmin - you are best to either - not use it... :) or use the lastest sources...
[06:48] <Goliath23> hi
[06:49] <Dr_willis> Howdies
[06:49] <Goliath23> I try to install kubuntu or ubuntu server 6.06 on a brand new HP system. The installer has problems mounting the cdrom so I tried another cdrom, same problem. Now I guess the problem is the ide driver on the mainboard. what possibilities do I have?
[06:51] <Dr_willis> could try the alternative /text based cd. and you may want to try the latest edgy eft version of the cd's
[06:51] <Dr_willis> i think they are version 6.10 (i always get the #'s messed up)
[06:51] <Goliath23> where do I find the latest text base install of ubuntu/kubuntu? I need text base installation since I want to configure a software raid 1
[06:52] <Dr_willis> ubuntu/kubuntu download sites have them
[06:52] <Goliath23> I tried 6.10 already I think. but hey, I'll give it another try
[06:52] <tehpwn> Has anybody seen the new ATHF episodes? F'n hillarious!!!
[06:52] <Dr_willis> its the 'alternative isntall cd'
[06:53] <_BlackHawk_> hi
[06:53] <_BlackHawk_> all
[06:53] <Goliath23> tehpwn: ATF?
[06:53] <Goliath23> ATHF?
[06:53] <renato> thanks, Dr_willis, any other console for server admin you recommend that might be more "ubuntu friendly"?
[06:53] <Dr_willis> a cartoon.
[06:54] <Dr_willis> renato,  i ve gotten away from relying on those things. :) ive used webmin in the past with good success.. just be sure to secure it tightly.
[06:54] <tehpwn> Goliath23, ATHF!!! Aqua Teen Hunger Force
[06:55] <Dr_willis> renato,  with vnc - you can remote in and do stuff that way :) is now i normally do it these days
[06:55] <renato> thanks Dr_willis, i'll look into it
[06:55] <Dr_willis> renato,  or just ssh in and run whatever gui tools ya want. :)
[06:56] <renato> yeah, but I don't seem to find much gui tools
[06:56] <MidMark> ok the problem was that I have to disable network interface, but I don't like so much this solution, there is a better way to chnage default gateway?
[06:56] <Dr_willis> ive found kde gui tools for about everything i need to do.
[06:56] <Dr_willis> but its often faster to do it with the shell. :)
[06:56] <renato> that's why I stuck kubuntu-desktop on my server (Sacrillege, I know)
[06:59] <qwe> hello
[06:59] <BluesKaj> not sacrilege, it's still linux ...a windows server would be sacrilege :)
[06:59] <renato> heheh
[06:59] <renato> I can't afford that
[06:59] <qwe> somebody know how i can have sound preview in konqueror?
[07:00] <BluesKaj> we have too many so called purists around anyway :)
[07:00] <Dr_willis> Blasphmy!
[07:00] <Dr_willis> next you will be saying we need fancy 3d wiggly windows on the desktop!
[07:00] <qwe> ???
[07:00] <Dr_willis> and animated 'fire explosions' when you close a window!
[07:00] <BluesKaj> beryl luvvers !
[07:00] <Dr_willis> and a 3d-Cube to change desktops
[07:00] <qwe> nodody?
[07:01] <renato> wouldn't  it be fun :P
[07:01] <BluesKaj> qwe, what do you mean sound preview ?
[07:01] <Dr_willis> qwe,  never looked into it.. never wanted it. :)  check the forums perhaps? or #kde - or the Kubuntu Faq - there may be some package you need to install.
[07:01] <qwe> in preview
[07:01] <qwe> I acivated sound preview
[07:02] <Dr_willis> i recall seeing a similer feature with gnome - but to get it working with mp3's some other packatges needed to be isntalled.
[07:02] <qwe> bat when i go wih the mouse on mp3 file ---> no sound
[07:02] <Dr_willis> does it work with wavs ?
[07:02] <qwe> no
[07:02] <Dr_willis> the Kubuntu Faq - mention packaged needing to be isntalled for mp3 support.
[07:02] <qwe> no wav ogg mp3
[07:03] <renato> lame
[07:03] <qwe> i can read the mpe (libxine-extracodecs
[07:03] <qwe> mp3
[07:03] <qwe> and libmad
[07:03] <renato> not as in "you are lame" though
[07:03] <qwe> is installed
[07:04] <qwe> maybe I forgot some package
[07:05] <ctothej> I need some with mounting. I had fstab mounting 2 ntfs drives with ntfs-3g, but after i plugged in a usb flash drive and restarted, the drives changed from being on /dev/sdd to /dev/sde ! how can i make it so that they dont change? or that it mounts the particular volumes all the time no matter what else is plugged in?
[07:05] <ctothej> *help
[07:05] <Dr_willis> ctothej,  you using edgy eft?
[07:05] <ctothej> yes
[07:05] <renato> !help
[07:05] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[07:05] <qwe> ctothej: use a UUID
[07:05] <Dr_willis> You can set the fstab files to mount things based on the UUID and other 'drive' identifiers. not just the /dev/whatever name
[07:06] <Dr_willis> ive even set up fstab to use the drives Label. not uuid
[07:06] <ctothej> how do I go about getting the UUID of those drives?
[07:06] <ctothej> Dr_willis: that would be great
[07:06] <qwe> ctothej: read teh man
[07:06] <Dr_willis> I belive theres a wiki page on it also.
[07:06] <ctothej> qwe: man for fstab? or what?
[07:06] <Dr_willis> i learned a lot about it from a chapter in 'Ubuntu Hacks'
[07:06] <ForgeAus> hey Dr Willis :)
[07:07] <Dr_willis> theres some rather odd command (that i can never rember) that tells ya all the 'info' on the disk.
[07:07] <user3> Dr_willis: Ubuntu hacks? what is it?
[07:07] <qwe> 1 second
[07:07] <Dr_willis> user3,  a book. :)
[07:07] <Dr_willis> its allready a little out of date.
[07:07] <user3> :) thanks how you got any url for download ?
[07:07] <Dr_willis> go to the bookstore... buy it... :)
[07:08] <user3> ;) yes sure :D
[07:08] <Dr_willis> its an Orieally book. it may be on their digital libaray
[07:10] <cesar_> hello room
[07:12] <qwe> Dr_willis: how is the pgk for have more utils in konqueror (term here,create a .war archive  )
[07:12] <Dr_willis> Huh?
[07:12] <qwe> in kubuntu
[07:13] <qwe> i tried with konq-addons
[07:13] <qwe> but isn't this
[07:13] <Dr_willis> I belive the Kubuntu Faq - mentions some packages that add on the  default-kde type extras/profiles and other tools.
[07:13] <qwe> ok
[07:14] <qwe> konqueror to me
[07:14] <Skrot> What's the name of the flash 9 package in edgy backport?
[07:14] <qwe> ^_^
[07:14] <Dr_willis> !flash9
[07:14] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[07:14] <qwe> flashplayer-nonfree
[07:15] <ctothej> UUID works like a charm... found them in device manager.
[07:15] <alex_767> ciao
[07:15] <qwe> ciap alex_767
[07:15] <qwe> ciao alex_767
[07:15] <Skrot> qwe: There's only flashplugin-nonfree and it's 7.0.68~ubuntu3
[07:15] <ctothej> Now what about full access for my user account for smb network mapped drives?
[07:15] <alex_767> .............qualcuno sa dirmi come impostare skypecast su kubuntu............????
[07:16] <CVirus> !backports
[07:16] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[07:16] <Dr_willis> ctothej,  smb shares on the linux box? be sure to give the user a smb password with 'sudo smbpasswd -a USERNAME'
[07:16] <qwe> Skrot: u need a new repository
[07:16] <Skrot> I've got "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-backports main universe multiverse restricted"
[07:17] <Dr_willis> !easysource
[07:17] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:17] <alex_767> ho visto che ho bisogno di d-bus....
 qwe: There's only flashplugin-nonfree and it's 7.0.68~ubuntu3
[07:17] <CVirus> Skrot: make sure you apt-get update after you enable backports
[07:18] <ctothej> Dr_willis: that command will add a user to an allowed smb access list?
[07:18] <CVirus> !flash
[07:18] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:18] <Skrot> CVirus: Weird, I thought I'd already updated..
[07:19] <Skrot> but it worked
[07:19] <CVirus> fine
[07:19] <Skrot> But the download fails
[07:19] <CVirus> same here .. hehe
[07:19] <Skrot> dang, i'll just do it the old fashion way then :p
[07:20] <CVirus> Skrot: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash
[07:20] <alex_767> ....forse devo installare qualcosa....
[07:20] <Dr_willis> ctothej,  it will give them a samba password to the linux box.. what shares and stuf they can actually access on the linux box. depends on how you have the samba config file setup.
[07:21] <Dr_willis> ctothej,  the users home dir - may or may not be set up as default to be a share for them.
[07:21] <ctothej> Dr_willis: don't really have it set up. i just use smbfs in fstab to mount the network drive.
[07:22] <Dr_willis> ctothej,  you are accessing a LINUX share? or a share on a windows box?  what i am talking about is to let windows users access shares on a Linux box.
[07:22] <ctothej> Dr_willis: no, accessing a windows share from linux.
[07:22] <ctothej> Dr_willis: its an smb share, a buffalo linkstation NAS box.
[07:23] <Dr_willis> ctothej,  then you either mount the thing. :) or use that FUSE samba stuff.. or a share browser like smb4k. or the smb:\ feature of konwueror... or proberly other ways...
[07:23] <ctothej> Dr_willis: i have mounted it. but only root has rwx access.
[07:23] <ctothej> Dr_willis: i want to have my user account have full access.
[07:24] <jeroen__> hi all can someone help me? i cant change my screen resolution:( and cant fint how to at the wiki page
[07:28] <jeroen__> hi all can someone help me i cant change my screen resolution anymore.. how cn i do that? i know i have to restart x orso but nothing shows up at wiki
[07:30] <kkerwin> jeroen__: Try xrandr from the command line.
[07:31] <kkerwin> jeroen__: You may need to install xrandr, with a "sudo apt-get install xrandr" first.
[07:31] <jeroen__> ok
[07:32] <kkerwin> jeroen__: Then just look at the manpage. I can't remember the specifics of it.
[07:32] <jeroen__> does that work on Ubuntu>?
[07:32] <kkerwin> jeroen__: Yes.
[07:32] <jeroen__> well it didnt download anything
[07:32] <kkerwin> jeroen__: Are you using the command line or a graphical interface to apt?
[07:32] <jeroen__> do i need to restart x?
[07:33] <jeroen__> i'm using a terminal
[07:33] <jeroen__> i just upgate to 6.06
[07:33] <Minataku> xrandr can change the X resoltion on the fly
[07:33] <kkerwin> jeroen__: Alright. Must already be downloaded. Take a look at xrandr's manpage, and then try running.
[07:34] <kkerwin> Minataku: Thanks. Forgot to explain that part. :-)
[07:34] <Minataku> It's a lifesaver for things like misbehaving apps that change the resolution then doesn't change it back or crashes and leaves you with a tiny box
[07:34] <Minataku> lol
[07:34] <jeroen__> it shows difrent ....x....x....
[07:34] <Minataku> jeroen__: What's your normal resolution?
[07:35] <jeroen__> dont know its to big normally i have more picsels
[07:35] <Minataku> Well, type xrandr
[07:35] <Minataku> It should give you a list
[07:35] <jeroen__> ok
[07:35] <jeroen__> yes
[07:35] <jeroen__> it shows
[07:35] <Minataku> Pick one
[07:35] <Minataku> When you find the right one, remember it's number
[07:35] <Minataku> lol
[07:35] <kkerwin> jeroen__: Then type xrandr -s (NUMBER OF WHAT YOU PICKED)
[07:36] <Goliath23> is there a possibility to install kubuntu from within another bootdisk or distribution.
[07:36] <kkerwin> jeroen__: Without the ()'s
[07:37] <jeroen__> it sais comand not found
[07:37] <kkerwin> err?
[07:37] <Goliath23> let's say I boot from a gentoo minimal bootrom (which detects my motherboards ide chipset) and then install kubuntu?
[07:37] <Minataku> Then you need to install xrandr first
[07:38] <kkerwin> Minataku: But I thought he had it installed?
[07:38] <jeroen__> it wont download bcouse it is already there
[07:38] <Minataku> Goliath23: Or you can follow the handbook and use Gentoo instead :D
[07:38] <Minataku> jeroen__: ...
[07:38] <kkerwin> jeroen__: Check spelling?
[07:38] <jeroen__> but do i have to type xrandr 1 or 2 or 3?
[07:39] <kkerwin> jeroen__: Try "xrandr -s 1"
[07:39] <dromer> Q: I have this 'public' htpc in the kitchen, and the public-user's konsole can't do lots of stuff, like scrolling back woth arrow left or up
[07:39] <dromer> how can I edit this users konsole account so I can use the konsole most efficiently, because this kind of sucks
[07:39] <Minataku> dromer: You have an X terminal in your kitchen? :o
[07:40] <weedar> I want to make a poster for an office, is there a fast & easy tool to curve text? Like curve it around a circle
[07:40] <dromer> Minataku: no a htpc running kubuntu edgy, for watching movies, listening music etc
[07:40] <Minataku> Oh
[07:40] <jeroen__> well it syays big...
[07:40] <dromer> I use the konsole occasionally, but even sshing to this chat or using my sudoer account (ssh into the machine itself :P) kind of sucks
[07:41] <jeroen__> it works but i need a hier resolution
[07:41] <jeroen__> Higher
[07:41] <kkerwin> jeroen__: Try "xrandr -s 0"
[07:41] <jeroen__> ok
[07:41] <Minataku> jeroen__: Pick a number that corresponds to a higher resolution
[07:41] <Minataku> Like 0, yeah
[07:41] <jeroen__> i want even smaller:d
[07:41] <kkerwin> jeroen__: 0 is the highest that your current xorg.conf file will allow. If that is too small, then we will need to edit your xorg.conf file.
[07:42] <kkerwin> jeroen__: OK.
[07:42] <jeroen__> i could do it erlier
[07:42] <kkerwin> jeroen__: One second ...
[07:42] <Minataku> dromer: I think the conf on your htpc is screwed up, but I really can't imagine why Konsole wouldn't do such
[07:42] <Minataku> I'm banking on misconfiguration, though
[07:43] <kkerwin> jeroen__: "sudo vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:43] <jeroen__> ok i try
[07:43] <dromer> Minataku: it's just on the public users acccount, when I ssh into the machine using my sudoer I can do anything I want
[07:43] <kkerwin> jeroen__: Then find the "screen section"
[07:43] <dromer> ok, dinertime, bbl
[07:44] <kkerwin> Add a new "SubSection Display"
[07:44] <kkerwin> jeroen__: Under that, add "Depth 24"
[07:45] <kkerwin> jeroen__: Under that add "Modes 1280x1024"
[07:45] <kkerwin> jeroen__: Then "EndSubsection"
[07:45] <jeroen__> i cant add something
[07:45] <jeroen__> do i have to enter
[07:46] <kkerwin> jeroen__: Hit the "i" button
[07:46] <kkerwin> jeroen__: It should then say "-- INPUT --"
[07:46] <jeroen__> yes
[07:46] <kkerwin> jeroen__: Now make your edits.
[07:47] <jeroen__> donno what to pick ist there something on wiki?
[07:47] <kkerwin> jeroen__: I'm not sure. You should be fine with the edits I gave you, though.
[07:48] <jeroen__> i cant edit i'm in some kind of menu
[07:48] <kkerwin> jeroen__: Alright. We're going to use an easier editor.
[07:48] <jeroen__> how do u restart x?
[07:49] <kkerwin> jeroen__: We need to chang ethe config before we can restart X
[07:49] <jeroen__> ok
[07:49] <kkerwin> jeroen__: Start a new terminal.
[07:49] <kkerwin> jeroen__: Do "sudo killall vim"
[07:49] <kkerwin> jeroen__: Then "sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[07:49] <Minataku> Never, ever suggest vi or emacs to a new Linux user
[07:49] <kkerwin> Minataku: Ya. Lesson learned ... :-)
[07:50] <Minataku> nano is the editor of choice for new and expert alike
[07:50] <ForgeAus> pico nano
[07:50] <Minataku> Considering it actually EDITS without fancy s!!! to memorize
[07:50] <Minataku> But then I'm just of the mind that an editor should facilitate easy editing of things ;3
[07:50] <kkerwin> jeroen__: Got kate started?
[07:51] <ForgeAus> ahh yes kate
[07:51] <kkerwin> Minataku: I'm also of the opinion that when in doubt, go graphical. :-)
[07:51] <Minataku> kkerwin: Bah
[07:51] <Minataku> lol
[07:51] <kkerwin> lol
[07:52] <jeroen__> no
[07:52] <Minataku> You don't need X if you have nano
[07:52] <Minataku> Really, you don't need X period
[07:52] <Minataku> It's more of a nice thing to have
[07:52] <jeroen__> prolly have to intall kate
[07:52] <kkerwin> jeroen__: Try "sudo kwrite /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[07:53] <jeroen__> installing kate
[07:53] <kkerwin> jeroen__: Cool.
[07:53] <frenris_> doesn't kate come with kubuntu?
[07:53] <Dr_willis> !info kate
[07:53] <ubotu> kate: advanced text editor for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 776 kB, installed size 2224 kB
[07:53] <kkerwin> frenris_: That's what I thought.
[07:53] <Dr_willis> optional :)
[07:53] <Minataku> !info nano
[07:53] <ubotu> nano: free Pico clone with some new features. In component main, is standard. Version 1.3.12-2 (edgy), package size 272 kB, installed size 1544 kB
[07:53] <Minataku> Standard, see? Just use that
[07:53] <chairmeleon> hello everybody :)
[07:54] <frenris_> nano is so much easier than vi.
[07:54] <Minataku> The poor guy's already confused and flustered
[07:54] <Minataku> And you're telling vi this and install that
[07:54] <chairmeleon> Does anyone know how to make Konqueror display file names without these "..."
[07:54] <Minataku> chairmeleon: Get a wider screen
[07:54] <frenris_> alright: Kate > Nano > Gedit > Emacs > vi
[07:54] <maciek_> i use kate and nano, vi is too hard for me:P
[07:54] <frenris_> :)
[07:54] <jeroen__> no database availeble
[07:54] <Minataku> Negative, Kate and Gedit shouldn't be on the list
[07:54] <Goliath23> how "stable" is feisty yet? :=
[07:55] <kkerwin> jeroen__: Alright. We're going to use nano
[07:55] <kkerwin> jeroen__: "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[07:55] <chairmeleon> Minataku: Very funny :D No, but seriously. Nautilus can display the full names. Though, I can't get konqueror to do that properly
[07:55] <Minataku> As nice as X is, building a dependence on it is asking for disaster
[07:55] <frenris_> minataku: don't kate and gedit have just as much right as emacs to be on the list? I mean they are both graphical although emacs is totally bloated.
[07:55] <jeroen__> kkerwin why cant i find it on wiki?
[07:56] <Minataku> frenris_: See my last line
[07:56] <kkerwin> jeroen__: Well ... I'm not too familiar with the wiki. You can try if you like. :-/
[07:56] <jeroen__> do u have a linck so i can read how to install the right resolution
[07:56] <kkerwin> jeroen__: One sec ...
[07:56] <frenris_> Emacs isn't based on x?
[07:56] <jeroen__> the chat is going to fast
[07:56] <jeroen__> lol
[07:56] <Minataku> I know it's nice to have everything just work with a nice graphical interface, if something happens and that fails you should be versed in CLI alone as well
[07:56] <bernd_> hi
[07:57] <kkerwin> jeroen__: Understood. No prob.
[07:57] <Minataku> So you're not left out in the cold in the event X decides not to start one day
[07:57] <chairmeleon> Please, tell me if you know. Does anybody know how to make konqueror display the full file names (i.e, like Nautilus does)
[07:57] <bernd_> can anybody help me?
[07:57] <jeroen__> i'm in nano
[07:57] <Minataku> chairmeleon: There's no options?
[07:57] <Minataku> !ask | bernd_
[07:57] <ubotu> bernd_: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:57] <bernd_> ok - i installed beryl and it works fine
[07:57] <Minataku> frenris_: emacs is both, actually
[07:57] <chairmeleon> Minataku: Was that a rhetorical question? Are there no options to make konqueror do this? :/
[07:58] <bernd_> but if i restart the system, beryl is shut down and i have to restart it manually
[07:58] <Minataku> chairmeleon: I meant in the preferences menu
[07:58] <Minataku> There isn't an option for such that's just not enabled?
[07:58] <bernd_> i want to put it into the autostart but i can not find it
[07:58] <jeroen__> kkerwin i'm in nano now
[07:58] <chairmeleon> Minataku: Yes, I have tried that already. Changing number of lines, text width e.t.c. But whatever I do, it just looks totally out of place
[07:59] <Minataku> chairmeleon: Hm
[07:59] <kkerwin> jeroen__: Ok. Still want the wiki?
[07:59] <Minataku> I don't use KDE at all so I can't exactly help, sorry >.<
[07:59] <jeroen__> sure
[07:59] <kkerwin> jeroen__: http://tinyurl.com/2eepwp
[07:59] <chairmeleon> Minataku: OK, well thanks anyway
[07:59] <Minataku> chairmeleon: Hang around
[07:59] <Minataku> Someone will show up who can help
[07:59] <frenris_> !uboto
[07:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about uboto - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:59] <kkerwin> jeroen__: Scroll to the very bottom gray box
[07:59] <chairmeleon> Minataku: BTW, if you're a gnome user? Are you?
[07:59] <jeroen__> how can i change to the Ubuntu chat?
[07:59] <Minataku> chairmeleon: Negative
[07:59] <frenris_> the irony
[08:00] <brendan__> Hello, I'm having a problem where usb 1.1 devices are not detected but usb 2.0 devices are. Does anyone know why this may happen?
[08:00] <Minataku> I'm not even an Ubuntu user
[08:00] <bernd_> how can i do it that beryl is started at the boot time?
[08:00] <kkerwin> jeroen__: "/join #ubuntu"
[08:00] <frenris_> uboto
[08:00] <Minataku> I'm a Gentoo user, as for my WM of choice, that's Fluxbox
[08:00] <Kyral> FluxBox FTW on low power systems
[08:00] <Kyral> (Or laptops)
[08:00] <Schuenemann> what does this mean? /usr/share/opera//locale/english.lng
[08:00] <chairmeleon> Oh, then this one goes out to eveybody else. Can you use the (much wider) variety of screensavers present under KDE in Gnome?
[08:00] <Minataku> No X FTW on low power systems
[08:00] <Minataku> lol
[08:01] <Minataku> I got 5h on a laptop rated at Windows/super-slow for only 3h
[08:01] <Kyral> Minataku: Fluxbox == Multiple XTerms on one screen :D
[08:01] <Schuenemann> what does this mean? /usr/share/opera//locale/english.lng - there are 2 slashes after opera, and the opera directory does not exist
[08:01] <Minataku> Keep in mind that would be 3h of unusable operating time
[08:01] <Minataku> Kyral: Nah, without X you get far more battery life
[08:01] <Kyral> Minataku: I hardly use my machine without A/C often anyway
[08:02] <Minataku> Same here
[08:02] <Kyral> The battery life is only about 1 1/2 hours
[08:02] <Kyral> Besides, Conky FTW
[08:02] <Minataku> Konqueror? *blarf*
[08:02] <Kyral> CONKY!
[08:02] <Kyral> Not Konq!
[08:03] <Kyral> Its a system monitor
[08:03] <Schuenemann> what does this mean? /usr/share/opera//locale/english.lng - there are 2 slashes after opera, and the opera directory does not exist
[08:03] <Minataku> The last time I used KDE was maybe a year ago
[08:03] <Minataku> lol
[08:03] <Kyral> Schuenemann: No idea
[08:03] <Schuenemann> =/
[08:03] <Kyral> Minataku: Then what are you doing here?
[08:03] <lotusleaf> Is anyone able to mount floppies in Konqueror? I have to resort to using Nautilus which makes me feel ill
[08:03] <Minataku> I was lured in with promises of free crap
[08:03] <Minataku> :D
[08:03] <Dr_willis> lotusleaf,  use the shell?
[08:04] <ForgeAus> lol Kyral he's having a bad fur day!
[08:04] <lotusleaf> Dr_willis: right, but for people who need to use a GUI mounter
[08:04] <lotusleaf> Dr_willis: I deploy Kubuntu to folks and none of them use CLI like I do
[08:04] <Kyral> The winds of change are blowing
[08:04] <Minataku> I was just saying earlier it's good to have rudimentary CLI experience
[08:05] <Dr_willis> lotusleaf,  im supprised any of them have floppies. :)  i dont even have one hooked up to test/check what may be wrong
[08:05] <Minataku> Since if X ever fails you're up sh?t creek without it
[08:05] <lotusleaf> Dr_willis: I know, I tell them all to use CDRW and/or USB thumb drives but (several of them) insist upon using floppies, so I guess if there's no graphical way for them to mount them with Konq in Kubuntu I'll have to have them continue to switch back/forth to Nautilus :/
[08:06] <lotusleaf> I think there's a bug on lp about this, I'll have to keep up w/ that
[08:06] <Minataku> Does Kubuntu have no way of checking the DCL?
[08:06] <Dr_willis> lotusleaf,  try looking in media:/  not /media/ - check the forums/wiki perhaps thares some bugglet.
[08:06] <Minataku> Or occasionally polling the FDD?
[08:06] <lotusleaf> Dr_willis: thx =)
[08:06] <Dr_willis> lotusleaf,  or just make a script that mounts, and unmounts the things and make some icons.
[08:06] <Dr_willis> I got a floppy drive here... but no floppys. :)
[08:06] <lotusleaf> Dr_willis: true that's one idea =)
[08:07] <lotusleaf> Dr_willis: I hate floppies and floppy drives
[08:07] <Minataku> Hey now
[08:07] <Minataku> Floppies are still useful
[08:07] <lotusleaf> I hates them!! :)
[08:07] <lotusleaf> Minataku: for frisbees
[08:07] <Minataku> Especially when working with old systems like I do
[08:07] <Minataku> A good 1.44MB floppy or two can still be an invaluable rescue tool
[08:08] <lotusleaf> Minataku: true
[08:08] <lotusleaf> Minataku: and with QNX 4 floppy demo you can boot into a GUI w/ mouse support and access the net ;)
[08:08] <Dr_willis> netboot. :)
[08:08] <Minataku> Indeed, lotusleaf :D
[08:09] <Dr_willis> I got a LS120 drive somewhere..
[08:09] <Minataku> Unfortunately most Floppy Linux distros lack ESDI support
[08:09] <Minataku> XD
[08:13] <Dr_willis> floppies are so 1980's
[08:14] <Minataku> So is a nice 6502, but I won't complain if presented with one
[08:14] <Dr_willis> I got several C64's :)
[08:14] <Minataku> I like Sun stuff
[08:15] <Minataku> I've got a bunch of bits and always looking for more
[08:26] <extern> why I can't run java applications (at least azureus and eclipse, haven't tried others)? They crash with some error about memmove
[08:26] <Valmarko> I'm having problems installing flashplugin-nonfree. ' Downloading... download failed.... The Flash plugin is not installed'. What should I do?
[08:26] <FreddyM> Valmarko: open up a konsole
[08:27] <FreddyM> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[08:27] <Valmarko> ok
[08:27] <ForgeAus> eclipse requires sun java
[08:27] <Minataku> Valmarko: I'd download the tarball manually and install it that way, but try that first
[08:27] <extern> I have it installed
[08:27] <ForgeAus> azureus I don't know much about
[08:27] <extern> but it crashse with mmemove error
[08:27] <Minataku> extern: Paste(bin) the error
[08:27] <Dr_willis> check your path and what java is being used ( java --version ) or (java -version)
[08:27] <Minataku> I don't think that has anything to do with it, he might have a bum Java install
[08:28] <Dr_willis> somthing to check at least. :)
[08:28] <Minataku> lol
[08:28] <Minataku> "Make sure Java is plugged in"
[08:28] <Minataku> XD
[08:28] <Valmarko> No... It cames out with the same problem
[08:28] <extern> I had the same error before reinstalling ubuntu to kubuntu
[08:29] <Minataku> extern: Paste(bin) the error, please
[08:29] <extern> ok
[08:29] <extern> I'm on it
[08:29] <Minataku> Coo
[08:29] <extern> pastebins are uploading slowly :P
[08:29] <Minataku> You know if it's a small error you can paste it here, or is it many, many lines?
[08:30] <extern> a lot of lines, but the main error is java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: memmove
[08:30] <extern> http://pastebin.com/864434
[08:31] <Minataku> Hm
[08:32] <Minataku> It seems there's a known bug open against it
[08:32] <extern> azureus practically gives the same error
[08:32] <extern> this bug has been there for quite a while, I think :/
[08:32] <extern> at least a month old
[08:32] <Minataku> Yeah, the Azuerus error is what I found
[08:32] <Minataku> extern: More than that
[08:32] <extern> sux :P
[08:32] <Minataku> It seems it may have been fixed at one point but was reopened
[08:33] <Minataku> Indeed, it's certainly a nice black eye
[08:33] <Minataku> Anyway, for functional replacements
[08:33] <Minataku> I use BitTornado
[08:33] <Minataku> !bittornado
[08:33] <ubotu> bittornado: bittorrent client with enhanced curses interface. In component main, is optional. Version 0.3.15-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 147 kB, installed size 864 kB
[08:33] <Minataku> And for development tasks I use Anjuta
[08:33] <Minataku> !anjuta
[08:33] <extern> can it handle multiple torrents?
[08:33] <ubotu> anjuta: A GNOME development IDE, for C/C++. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.2-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1494 kB, installed size 3760 kB
[08:33] <Minataku> extern: As many as you open clients for
[08:34] <Minataku> I've had at least 6 instances at once
[08:34] <extern> is there any client similar to bitcomet?
[08:34] <Minataku> I hope not
[08:34] <extern> why? :P
[08:34] <Minataku> BitComet is a bane on the BT community
[08:34] <extern> what does bane mean?
[08:35] <Minataku> !define bane
[08:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about define bane - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:35] <Minataku> Aw, no dictionary
[08:35] <Minataku> The meaning of bane as an English form of nemesis, the bringer of ruin, dates only from 1577. Now an affliction, curse, evil, ill, plague, scourge or woe, in Old English bana had a more specific and immediate meaning, of "slayer", "murderer."
[08:36] <Dr_willis> i just tend to use ktorrent
[08:36] <extern> I don't see why bitcomet is so bad
[08:36] <Dr_willis> or wine and utorrent.
[08:36] <Minataku> I know people who outright ban BitComet users on sight
[08:36] <Minataku> extern: It's a cheat client
[08:36] <Dr_willis> bitcomet had some 'new' features that  can screw things up.
[08:37] <extern> what do you mean?
[08:37] <Minataku> That too
[08:37] <Minataku> It completely ignores the BT standard
[08:37] <Minataku> It's like if Microsoft made a BT client
[08:37] <Valmarko> Problem solved :) I downloaded the tarball from adobe
[08:37] <Minataku> They'd make sh?t up that are completely in violation of the protocol and call them "features"
[08:37] <Minataku> Which is exactly what BitComet does
[08:38] <Minataku> Not to mention also that it's a cheater client
[08:38] <Minataku> It fakes high upload ratios
[08:38] <Minataku> Which is a detriment to everyone, since sharing is how BT works in the first place
[08:38] <extern> I haven't noticed that my upload ratio would be faked
[08:38] <Dr_willis> i thought BT was all about putting zips in rars, and then into .bin/cues and then password protecting them...
[08:39] <Minataku> No, that's Limewire/Kazaa/etc
[08:39] <Minataku> Bittorrent, barring cheats and corporations is a good way to get things
[08:39] <Rawk> So uh, how about those AirportExtreme wireless cards?
[08:39] <Minataku> Even Linux distros such as Kubuntu use BT for distribution
[08:40] <Minataku> And as long as people seed to at least 1.000 the system works
[08:40] <Dr_willis> what BITES is when a disrto/company ONLY releases their stuff via Torrent.
[08:40] <Minataku> Indeed
[08:40] <Rawk> I hate that.
[08:40] <Dr_willis> I forget the disrto ive seen that does that...
[08:40] <Rawk> A lot do, don't they?
[08:40] <Dr_willis> so i spend a week downloading a iso - that then dident work. due to their male os.
[08:40] <Dr_willis> lame os.
[08:40] <Dr_willis> :)
[08:40] <Minataku> But sometimes such is necessary, think of the bandwidth loads involved with hosting a distro
[08:41] <Dr_willis> "SuperGamerLiveCd" i think was the iso heh.
[08:41] <Minataku> If you can get other people to assist with the hosting everyone wins
[08:41] <extern> well, is there a client on linux, which could have multiple torrent downloads in it?
[08:41] <Minataku> But then you have the greedy and the just plain as?ho?es who grab and run
[08:41] <Dr_willis> extern,  thats mosta ll of them.
[08:41] <Dr_willis> i use ktorrent all the time
[08:41] <Rawk> Can any one tell me if AirportExtreme wireless cards are supported in Kubunto yet, though? I'm on a PPC Mac Mini.
[08:41] <maciek_> which bittorrent client is the fastest?
[08:42] <dwidmann> or the people like me, who have next to zero upload speed, who would also grab and run :s
[08:42] <nixbox> how do i switch back to the previous kernel version, because in the update a newer kernel was installed and its causing problems with some drivers which were built with previous kernel version?
[08:42] <Minataku> Rawk: Ouch... I'm so sorry to hear that
[08:42] <Dr_willis> maciek_,  ive found it depends more on the # of peers/seeds - not client.
[08:42] <Rawk> Hah. Why's that, Minataku?
[08:42] <Minataku> Let me guess, misguided parent looking for a good gift accidentally buys crap?
[08:43] <Minataku> At least it's PPC, so there's no TPM chip
[08:43] <Minataku> lol
[08:43] <Minataku> Not that it matters when Apple cuts PPC off cold for being "too outdated"
[08:44] <Rawk> Yeah, but the opensource community didn't cut it off, so I'm good.
[08:44] <Minataku> At least you're using Linux, though, as for your Q, I think I'll check in return for hassling you
[08:44] <Rawk> Thanks
[08:46] <manesq> Nabend
[08:46] <manesq> kann mal jemand einem absoluten Anfnger helfen? ^^ Wie kann ich Forefox 2.0 installieren?
[08:46] <manesq> Firefox ^^
[08:47] <Minataku> !de | manchicken
[08:47] <ubotu> manchicken: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[08:47] <Minataku> Er
[08:47] <Minataku> !de | manesq
[08:47] <ubotu> manesq: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[08:47] <Minataku> Sorry, manchicken
[08:47] <manesq> ah ok danke
[08:47] <manchicken> heh, it's okay.  Tab completion is fun, no?
[08:48] <Minataku> lol, indeed
[08:48] <Minataku> Rawk: I see news that there IS a Linux driver for the chipset used in the Airport Extreme
[08:48] <HymnToLife> !firefox | manesq
[08:48] <ubotu> manesq: firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[08:48] <Rawk> hmm
[08:49] <Minataku> Reverse Engineered, of course, due to the fact that Broadcom probably isn't a company you should do business with if you value freedom
[08:49] <manesq> thx ubotu
[08:49] <HymnToLife> !thank you | manesq
[08:49] <ubotu> manesq: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[08:50] <manesq> lol
[08:50] <Minataku> Wow... that's an incredibly complicated process
[08:51] <Minataku> I use Gentoo and I have one simple command to upgrade Firefox
[08:51] <Minataku> lol
[08:51] <BiroLX> hello?
[08:51] <HymnToLife> well, that's just if you want the Firefox from Mozilla
[08:51] <BiroLX> ohh
[08:51] <Minataku> Not to mention I don't have to retain the Ubuntu version to keep almost everything from breaking
[08:51] <BiroLX> i see a man talking:P
[08:52] <maciek_> Minataku: I use Kubuntu and I download Firefox from Mozilla site, I unpack the archive and I surf the net:P
[08:52] <Minataku> Though at least it's still called "Firefox" here
[08:52] <extern> I already have some torrent files downloaded, and I want ktorrent to seed them, the torrents are downloaded to read-only ntfs partition, is there a way to make ktorrent seed them?
[08:52] <Minataku> Not like Debian, God forbid they have a trademarked icon, that makes it completely incompatible with F/OSS
[08:53] <Minataku> I hate Debian, BTW, but that's pretty obvious
[08:53] <Minataku> lol
[08:53] <HymnToLife> Minataku, could you please stop trolling ?
[08:53] <jughead> I'm running ubuntu (with KDE installed later) on a Dell laptop with the Intel 945GM chipset (i810 shows up in xorg.conf).  Can I run Beryl?
[08:53] <Minataku> Gee, last time I checked stating one's opinions wasn't trolling
[08:54] <Minataku> Just because you don't like what I think doesn't mean I'm trying to start something with you
[08:54] <boss_78> Hello
[08:54] <vbgunz> anybody know why Konqueror doesn't show me any dialog boxes for moving, copying, deleting files/folders?
[08:54] <vbgunz> How do I enable that? without the dialog box, it feels like it freezes up :(
[08:54] <HymnToLife> trolling is starting pointless arguments
[08:54] <HymnToLife> which is pretty much what you are doing
[08:55] <_tom> what is the terminal command to rename?
[08:55] <Minataku> No, the only one who HAS started a pointless argument is you starting this one, which I will force-quit since it is, indeed, pointless
[08:55] <Minataku> _tom: mv
[08:55] <Minataku> There's no dedicated rename command
[08:55] <Minataku> Just move the old filename to the new filename
[08:56] <_tom> thanks
[08:56] <Minataku> np
[08:56] <HymnToLife> well, I wonder how stating how much Gentoo is the best distro in the Universe and you hate Debian is related to Kubuntu support but if you say so...
[08:57] <Minataku> HymnToLife: I will, however, apologize all the same, it wasn't my intention to start anything
[08:57] <extern> can anyone help me on that ktorrent thing?
[08:57] <Minataku> HymnToLife: I've never said such about Gentoo, I didn't know that saying "I don't use Kubuntu, I use Gentoo" as a notice that I may not be able to help as well was against any rules
[08:58] <HymnToLife> extern, to make ktorrend seed the files, they need to have the same name than the ones the torrent downloads
[08:58] <Minataku> I would think informing of a possible assistance deficiency would be a Good Thing (tm)
[08:58] <HymnToLife> Minataku, all right, that weill lead us nowhere, let's just stop it, okay ?
[08:58] <Minataku> extern: Was this the Java bug or a separate issue?
[08:59] <Minataku> HymnToLife: Indeed, and once again, I apologize, I wasn't trying to start anything
[08:59] <extern> HymnToLife: I have the files downloaded, and I can get the .torrent file for them, but when I specify the path where it was downloaded (it's read only) and press OK, nothing happens
[08:59] <HymnToLife> extern, do the files have the same name than what the torrent expects ?
[08:59] <extern> yes
[08:59] <boss_78> I have a problem with the pilot of my graphics board which can help me?
[08:59] <HymnToLife> maybe it's the NTFS then
[09:00] <HymnToLife> I've never tried to seed from it
[09:00] <extern> hmm
[09:00] <HymnToLife> !ak | boss_78
[09:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ak - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:00] <HymnToLife> !ask | boss_78
[09:00] <ubotu> boss_78: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:01] <boss_78> My graphics board however has 128Mo of memory only 1 is used. It is a s3 savage4 thank you in advance.
[09:01] <ubuntu__> is this the ubuntu help channel?
[09:02] <boss_78> #ubuntu
[09:02] <Minataku> daddydoc: No, this is Alcoholics Anonymous
[09:02] <boss_78> Ubuntu--->Gnome here it's Kubuntu so KDE
[09:02] <Minataku> Techically this is Kubuntu
[09:02] <Minataku> But if it has nothing to do with the GUI directly, we can still help
[09:02] <daddydoc> i am using konversation, how do I turn off notifications of people joining/leaving etc
[09:03] <extern> HymnToLife: I think that it's because ktorrent wants the files to be writable, as it may be not checking if the files are already downloaded
[09:03] <Minataku> Are you sure you want to do that? It would create quite the inconvience...
[09:04] <HymnToLife> extern, that's very possible, have you tried from a writable FS ?
[09:04] <extern> nope, but I may give it a try though
[09:04] <Minataku> If ktorrent isn't checking for the file's existance/status, that's a bug
[09:04] <boss_78> My graphics board however has 128Mo of memory only 1 is used. It is a s3 savage4 thank you in advance.
[09:04] <slacosse> trying to access my files on crased windows x64, ntfs.  how to access write/read these files from ubuntu (dual boot system)
[09:05] <Minataku> slacosse: NTFS write is extremely dangerous
[09:05] <Minataku> Microsoft likes to make it as hard as possible
[09:05] <Minataku> But
[09:05] <SSJ_GZ> I haven't tried in a while, but KTorrent used to have to import existing torrents in order to seed them, using a special plugin.
[09:05] <Minataku> !ntfs | slacosse
[09:05] <ubotu> slacosse: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions. For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[09:05] <extern> Minataku, maybe it is checking, but somehow requires write access to them
[09:05] <Minataku> But keep in mind that you have been (and will continue to be) warned
[09:05] <slacosse> thanks friends
[09:05] <Minataku> extern: Hm
[09:06] <Minataku> That could be, is it failing with an error on launch?
[09:06] <hyper_ch> hiho, what linux would you recommend to put on a usb stick?
[09:06] <daddydoc> 1
[09:06] <kkerwin> hyper_ch: Damn Small Linux
[09:06] <Minataku> Indeed
[09:06] <hyper_ch> kkerwin: why that one? (ok, the only other i know is knoppix) ^^
[09:06] <Minataku> kkerwin: Couldn't have said it better
[09:07] <Minataku> kkerwin: Small size, high functionality
[09:07] <extern> Minataku, it isn't failing with any error, I just want it to seed alraedy downloaded torrents, which weren't downloaded with ktorrent. The downlaoded torrents are stored on a read-only ntfs partition
[09:07] <vbgunz> whoa, there is no CD image of edgy? I have to download a DVD?
[09:07] <kkerwin> hyper_ch: Ditto on Minataku. It's pretty full featured. Comes with X and editors. You could use it to do pretty much anything.
[09:07] <Minataku> extern: Ah, do you still have the torrent metadata files?
[09:07] <extern> vbgunz, there is
[09:07] <HymnToLife> vbgunz, of course there are CD ISOs of Edgy
[09:07] <SSJ_GZ> extern:Check out my comment above.
[09:07] <hyper_ch> kkerwin: thx :) then I try that
[09:07] <kkerwin> hyper_ch: I've heard of people use it as their primary OS.
[09:07] <vbgunz> sorry
[09:07] <kkerwin> hyper_ch: It's that functional.
[09:07] <vbgunz> I was at the cdimage page and only saw DVDs... heh
[09:08] <Minataku> Perhaps they need replacing, ktorrent may not be reading/using them properly
[09:08] <extern> SSJ_GZ: I'll take a look for it
[09:08] <hyper_ch> kkerwin: hehehe :)
[09:08] <KennethP> My KNetworkmanager keeps disconnecting my WLAN and refuses to start at times. Any ideas or suggestions?
[09:08] <vbgunz> Whats the difference between the CD and DVD?
[09:08] <Minataku> KennethP: Paddling always solves problems with misbehaving applications XD
[09:08] <Minataku> vbgunz: One's small, one's huge
[09:08] <Minataku> Seriously, though, the DVD probably has all the packages on it
[09:08] <vbgunz> Minataku: awesome :)
[09:09] <Minataku> If you have network access during install just grab the CD
[09:09] <KennethP> Minataku: Paddling?
[09:09] <xenoterracide> how do I get alsamixer to keep it's settings on reboot? and how do I disable artsd system wide?
[09:09] <Minataku> KennethP: Yes, paddling. A few sharp smacks to the buttocks brings anything in line.
[09:09] <Minataku> j/k XD
[09:09] <Minataku> KennethP: The app probably isn't disconnecting it
[09:10] <Minataku> Is the signal of the AP you're connecting to really weak?
[09:10] <extern> SSJ_GZ: thanks, it seems to be working, but can I specify multiple files for a torrent? it allows selecting only one
[09:10] <KennethP> Minataku: It depends. But I see this under strong and weak signal conditions
[09:11] <Minataku> KennethP: Hm... I don't know if KDE pipes complaints to any file other than /dev/null so that's kind of frustrating
[09:11] <CrypTom> hi all, is there a repositories with the most current kernel for ubuntu?
[09:11] <SSJ_GZ> extern:Hmmm ... I would have thought so.
[09:11] <extern> or I may have to point it to a folder
[09:11] <SSJ_GZ> extern:Folder sounds more likely :)
[09:11] <Minataku> CrypTom: I'd suggest building your own but Kubuntu's simplicity actually makes such twice as difficult
[09:12] <Minataku> hm
[09:12] <Minataku> !kernel
[09:12] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[09:12] <hyper_ch> anyone got syslinux? I can't get it from kernel.org
[09:12] <Minataku> Ah, there's instructions
[09:12] <CrypTom> Minataku, well, earier I used to build my own kernel
[09:12] <Minataku> CrypTom: And it turns out there are instructions on how to do it
[09:12] <CrypTom> Minataku, ok thanks, I tried to, but got a kernel panic... so I will follow the readme, thanks
[09:13] <Minataku> I must say that the wording of that is rather offensive... "if you're convinced you do"
[09:13] <Minataku> Perhaps they just want to? But that's a rant I'll truncate here.
[09:13] <Minataku> CrypTom: Make sure you know what hardware you have
[09:14] <Minataku> It'll be absolutely required when configuring the kernel
[09:14] <CrypTom> of course, I have built uncounted kernels under debian earlier
[09:14] <Minataku> It seems like a daunting, complicated task at first but once you get used to it it's quite easy
[09:14] <Minataku> Almost fun, IMO
[09:14] <CrypTom> with the same hardware, but after switching to kubuntu, it didnt work any more
[09:15] <Minataku> That's interesting
[09:15] <Minataku> Because Ubuntu actually uses modern kernels, and they don't typically remove support for anything
[09:15] <Minataku> What was the panic, if I may ask?
[09:16] <BluesKaj> Minataku, maybe it's a wry remark by those who did all work that went into buildinf the original kernel
[09:16] <CrypTom> well, hmm, I dont remember, it was quite a while... but now, i want to make another attempt
[09:16] <Minataku> BluesKaj: It's so difficult to type the incantation to configure everything as modules
[09:16] <CrypTom> the thing is, i used to include other patches, like for example the skas patch (for user-mode-linux)
[09:17] <Minataku> Well, compiling your own you can continue to do such
[09:17] <BluesKaj> incantation ?
[09:17] <Minataku> BluesKaj: I'd have actually typed it but I don't remember it
[09:17] <BluesKaj> ok
[09:17] <Minataku> I use maybe 3 or 5 modules max
[09:17] <CrypTom> yes, so thats why I wanted to ask, if there is something special you need to know for the kernel buils under ubuntu (i've never used usplash for example)
[09:18] <Minataku> Everything else is compiled in
[09:18] <Balsamic_Chicken> where do i go for questions about vmware, what it is, how to install, etc, thx.
[09:18] <bobesponja> hey
[09:18] <CrypTom> and I've never used initrd either
[09:18] <Minataku> I used to
[09:18] <bobesponja> I can't change 'date and time', when I click on the administration mode button it keeps on loading but nothing happen
[09:18] <Minataku> But if everything you need to boot is compiled in directly there's no need for one at all
[09:18] <tgsaf> hi all
[09:18] <Minataku> brb, must attend to something
[09:18] <bobesponja> any idea what's wrong? that sucks :/
[09:19] <Minataku> Good luck, CrypTom
[09:19] <CrypTom> Minataku, thanks
[09:19] <tgsaf> anybody know how to fix the login loop in 6.1?
[09:19] <bobesponja> tgsaf: what login loop?
[09:19] <BluesKaj> don't ask me ...VMWare can damage existing hardware drivers in my experience ... not worth the trouble
[09:20] <tgsaf> i login with my username and password, screen goes black and then goes back to the login screen
[09:20] <extern> lol, the importing went okay, but when it wants to start uploading, it gives an error saying that it can't open the file, because it is read-only
[09:20] <xenoterracide> how do I init scripts to runlevels the "ubuntu" way?
[09:20] <tgsaf> happened to me yesterday and after trying a bunch of stuff, i formatted and reinstalled, but it's done it again
[09:21] <Dr_willis> !sysv
[09:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sysv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:21] <Dr_willis> Hmm thers a runlevel editor program or 3 out. and some other tools.
[09:21] <tgsaf> i'm new to linux, so this is still a clean install
[09:21] <Dr_willis> ive read up enough on the sysv system to edit the rc.d stuff to tweak my runlevels/scripts
[09:21] <BluesKaj> Balsamic_Chicken, if ya need to run windows that badly then , mount an ntfs partition and load windows on it :)
[09:21] <tgsaf> i can login to the console with no problem
[09:21] <Dr_willis> tgsaf,  what video card ya got?
[09:21] <mildner__> anybody familiar with configuring different languages for example in kopete
[09:21] <tgsaf> nvidia 6200
[09:22] <Dr_willis> tgsaf,  have you installed the nvidia drivers yet?
[09:22] <BluesKaj> !kopete-languges
[09:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kopete-languges - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:22] <tgsaf> no
[09:22] <BluesKaj> !kopete-languages
[09:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kopete-languages - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:22] <tgsaf> i tried to use envy to do so, but it gave me a problem
[09:22] <BluesKaj> !kopete
[09:22] <ubotu> kopete: instant messenger for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu2.2 (edgy), package size 6824 kB, installed size 18932 kB
[09:22] <Dr_willis> tgsaf,  envy? never heard of it.
[09:23] <tgsaf> i've been able to login with no problem and i think it was when i tried to lower the screen resolution that caused it
[09:23] <Dr_willis> hmm.. tgsaf  perhaps the 'fixres' site will  show ya how to reconfigure ya X server.
[09:23] <Dr_willis> !fixres
[09:23] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:23] <tgsaf> it's supposed to automatically detect ur card and install the drivers
[09:24] <Dr_willis> tgsaf,  dosent sound like it worked. :)
[09:24] <tgsaf> Dr_willis, could u give me the link? and does it tell u how to install the drivers?
[09:24] <Dr_willis> tgsaf,  perhaps it made a backup of xorg.conf in /etc/X11 - if so restore it.
[09:25] <daddydoc> i need help with ubuntu moving files from 1 hd to another.
[09:25] <Alarm> are ubuntu edgy repos also for kubuntu ? for example : deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-updates main restricted universe multiverse ? dont want to download and install by mistake things that cant get installed on my system , i got kubuntu 6.10
[09:25] <Dr_willis> Alarm,  ubuntu and kubuntu use the same repos.
[09:25] <tgsaf> !fixres
[09:25] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:25] <Alarm> ohh ok :)
[09:25] <Alarm> is there any official site with a complete list of the repositories ?
[09:25] <daddydoc> i am using the live cd desktop right now
[09:26] <Dr_willis> daddydoc,  you trying to copy stuff over to a ntfs drive/partition?
[09:26] <daddydoc> no, the drive is xfs
[09:26] <daddydoc> i am moving files from a clobbered raid drive to a blank drive
[09:27] <daddydoc> the raid is /dev/sdb3 and the new hd is /dev/sdc1
[09:27] <daddydoc> when looking at the files, the user and group were 1000
[09:28] <daddydoc> so I chown to change permissions to root, root
[09:29] <xenoterracide> yes daddydoc
[09:29] <BluesKaj> !envy
[09:29] <ubotu> envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia and ATI drivers. Please see http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html . Developers may be interested in https://launchpad.net/products/envy - See also !Nvidia
[09:29] <Minataku> Back... what did I miss?
[09:30] <Dr_willis> sounds like envy is somthing to avoide.
[09:30] <daddydoc> i need help with ubuntu moving files from 1 hd to another.
[09:30] <daddydoc> i am using the live cd desktop right now
[09:30] <daddydoc> when looking at the files, the user and group were 1000
[09:30] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Why is that?
[09:30] <daddydoc> i need help with ubuntu moving files from 1 hd to another.
[09:30] <daddydoc> so I chown to change permissions to root, root
[09:30] <Dr_willis> daddydoc,  if you su to root in the live cd. you should be able to  copy/move stuff over
[09:30] <Dr_willis> then fix the permissions later.
[09:30] <Minataku> The free drivers are unfortunately deficient, the nvidia one not so much but the ATI one quite poor
[09:31] <daddydoc> ?su to root? how do I do that?
[09:31] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  automated scripts - seem to cause more problems then they fix.
[09:31] <daddydoc> i am a newbie
[09:31] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Ah, the scripts
[09:31] <Dr_willis> daddydoc,  'su -'    for a newbie . you seem to be trying to run befor you can walk. :)
[09:31] <Minataku> Sorry, I didn't dereference correctly
[09:31] <Dr_willis> or sudo -s
[09:31] <xenoterracide> daddydoc sudo chown root:root <filename>
[09:31] <daddydoc> what else is new
[09:31] <Dr_willis>  i forget now.. heh .
[09:31] <Minataku> It's su -
[09:32] <daddydoc> I already did that sudo chown root:root
[09:32] <xenoterracide> it should have changed that file
[09:32] <Minataku> "su -" will, after giving the proper password, drop you into a login-style root shell
[09:32] <xenoterracide> if you want to change the all use -r and *
[09:32] <daddydoc> i am using the live cd
[09:32] <daddydoc> so what is the password?
[09:32] <Dr_willis> I think  it depends on if the root user password is set up also.  and whats on the livecd.
[09:32] <Minataku> That is, the same shell/environment you would get if you logged in as root
[09:33] <Minataku> daddydoc: Is it asking for one?
[09:33] <Dr_willis> i aint used the ubuntu live cd  enough to rember how it needs to be done.. could go to the console and set the root password to make it easy
[09:33] <Minataku> These are the times that disabling root is a Bad Thing(tm)
[09:33] <Minataku> Since doing serious maintenance work via sudo is a royal pain in the ... buttocks
[09:34] <xenoterracide> root should always be... disabled in a sense
[09:34] <daddydoc> I am trying to copy and paste files, but after the copy command, the paste is not highlighted.
[09:34] <xenoterracide> like not allowing root to log in directly
[09:34] <Minataku> root should be enabled but used very sparingly
[09:34] <daddydoc> I even tried the cp command, but that didn't work either
[09:34] <xenoterracide> I prefer sudo su -
[09:34] <Dr_willis> daddydoc,  use the shell. thats the best way
[09:34] <daddydoc> i use sudo
[09:34] <Minataku> Ah, that's the way, "sudo su -"
[09:34] <Minataku> Since there is no root password in Kubuntu
[09:34] <daddydoc> ok
[09:35] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  thats the same as 'sudo -s'
[09:35] <daddydoc> i will try sudo su cp etc
[09:35] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Really? I never used that
[09:35] <Minataku> lol
[09:35] <Minataku> But then I've never had a no-root system
[09:35] <daddydoc> i will be back....give me a sec
[09:35] <daddydoc> i am trying to move files before I officially install the system to hd
[09:35] <Minataku> My current wallpaper is awesome
[09:35] <daddydoc> so I can re raid it
[09:36] <daddydoc> brb in 5
[09:36] <BluesKaj> is the 2.6.19 kernel the latest ...I see knoppix has a live cd based on it
[09:36] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  i was thinking 2.6.20 is out. but i never pay much attention to it.
[09:37] <Minataku> The latest kernel can always be found at www.kernel.org
[09:37] <Minataku> For a quick way of finding out, finger www.kernel.org from a terminal
[09:37] <Dr_willis> every week theres updates :)
[09:37] <Minataku> And get your mind out of the gutter
[09:37] <xenoterracide> usually distro's are 1 or 2 versions behind
[09:37] <Minataku> ;D
[09:37] <xenoterracide> I just run latest stable
[09:38] <xenoterracide> for my distro
[09:39] <Minataku> I run whatever was current when I decided to install whatever that was XD
[09:40] <Alarm> why does automatix2 add deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu dapper-commercial main , in my sources.list although i got kubuntu 6.10 ?
[09:40] <Tm_T> Alarm: #automatix
[09:41] <Tm_T> !automatix
[09:41] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[09:41] <Alarm> okie
[09:41] <Balsamic_Chicken> hi, what channel do i go for questions about vmare, i.e. what it is, where to download/get it, and other info, thx alot. (o and i had to restart so i didn't see any msgs if someone answered me already thx)
[09:42] <Tm_T> Balsamic_Chicken: Well, check help.ubuntu.com/community
[09:42] <Balsamic_Chicken> o cool, yeah i just did a
[09:42] <hyper_ch> Balsamic_Chicken: if you don't know what it is, why do you want to download it?
[09:42] <Balsamic_Chicken> !vmware
[09:42] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"). Instructions for VMWare Server can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware
[09:42] <Balsamic_Chicken> when i say i don't know what it is, i mean i don't really know what it is, i could guess what it is, but explaining all this is a waste of time isn't it
[09:42] <daddydoc> I seem close.  Maybe someone can help me
[09:43] <hyper_ch> Balsamic_Chicken: what do you think it is?
[09:43] <Balsamic_Chicken> is that ur answer to the question?
[09:44] <Balsamic_Chicken> cuz that's not too helpful at all lmao, and so u could go get attention else where
[09:44] <paladdin> hola
[09:44] <Minataku> VMWare is a virtualization system, it creates a virtual computer, peripherals and all
[09:45] <Balsamic_Chicken> thx Minataku
[09:45] <hyper_ch> Balsamic_Chicken: if you don't know what it is then I see no point why you want to get it
[09:45] <paladdin> como estan??
[09:45] <Minataku> This "virtual machine" functions just like a normal computer, except while entirely running as a process within another OS
[09:45] <Minataku> !es | paladdin
[09:45] <ubotu> paladdin: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[09:45] <Minataku> :)
[09:45] <paladdin> ok gracias
[09:45] <Minataku> No problemas
[09:46] <Balsamic_Chicken> hyper_ch: and because u don't think i should get it, therefore i wouldn't try to get it? go back to gradeschool if u aren't already in it
[09:46] <Balsamic_Chicken> Minataku: cool =)
[09:46] <Minataku> I hope that was right XD
[09:46] <daddydoc> I tried sudo cp /media/temp/stevebackup/* /media/tempsdc
[09:46] <Minataku> Balsamic_Chicken: It is cool, really fun to play with
[09:46] <Balsamic_Chicken> Minataku yeah i wanted to install mac os with it
[09:46] <daddydoc> and it say "omitted directories"
[09:46] <daddydoc> so nothing copied.
[09:47] <hyper_ch> Balsamic_Chicken: why do you want to get it if you don't know what it is... that's is a good question... why to get something when you don't know what it is... it just doesn't make sense... only if you know what something is you can decide on whether you want to get it
[09:47] <daddydoc> when looking over the file server, the directories that I want to copy have a picture of a lock on them
[09:47] <Balsamic_Chicken> Minakaku but i wanted to see if there's support, and if that makes sense at all to start with =)
[09:47] <Minataku> Balsamic_Chicken: There is NOT
[09:47] <daddydoc> the permissions are set at root, root ....any suggestions?
[09:47] <Minataku> Mac OS X is locked down via DRM
[09:47] <daddydoc> the lock concerns e
[09:47] <daddydoc> me
[09:48] <Balsamic_Chicken> minataku so i wouldn't be able to install mac os?
[09:48] <Minataku> It requires an actual Mac with appropriate rights-removing technology to run without hacking and slashing
[09:48] <Minataku> Not that I can imagine why anyone would want to in the first place... the short answer is no
[09:49] <daddydoc> anyone?
[09:49] <Minataku> The long answer is: Not without considerable hoop-jumping and hullaballoo
[09:49] <Balsamic_Chicken> minataku what about the mac os x86 hacked version on bitorrent, i mostly just want to try it out for fun as project that kills time =) not to steal anything since i have an imac anyway
[09:50] <Minataku> Ah, you have that one
[09:50] <daddydoc> how do I remove the "lock" from the file directory so I can access and move files and directories?
[09:50] <Minataku> That should work
[09:50] <Minataku> daddydoc: Is the drive mounted read only, perhaps?
[09:50] <Minataku> You are working from the LiveCD, right?
[09:50] <daddydoc> i dont know, but i am using live cd
[09:50] <Balsamic_Chicken> Minataku yeah i saw some people say they try it on Vmware first, and it works, and saves alot of trouble about hardware compatibility, does that make sense, what they said i meant
[09:51] <daddydoc> trying to move files, so I can set up raid in future
[09:51] <daddydoc> permanent
[09:51] <Minataku> What they said sort of makes sense
[09:51] <Minataku> Using Mac OS X on the other hand doesn't make a lick of such
[09:51] <Minataku> lol
[09:51] <daddydoc> >
[09:51] <Balsamic_Chicken> hehe
[09:51] <daddydoc> ?
[09:52] <Minataku> daddydoc: I'm sorry, but I'm unable to properly follow exactly what you're doing
[09:52] <daddydoc> I am trying to move files from a partition on sdb3 to a partition on a new drive sdc1
[09:52] <daddydoc> I cannot copy them from one to the other.
[09:53] <Minataku> And RAID is involved somewhere?
[09:53] <daddydoc> it used to be, but now I am just trying to move files to a new hd,
[09:53] <daddydoc> by using the live cd
[09:53] <Minataku> What's the error returned?
[09:54] <nixbox> i am trying to restore grub after the installation of windows overwrote it, i am using the live cd, i tried grub and then root (hd0,7) but it gave me an error that it failed to recognize the device, my hdd appears as /dev/sda in fdisk, so i tried using sd0 too but the same errror appears?
[09:54] <daddydoc> it omitted the directories that I tried to move
[09:54] <Minataku> Ah
[09:54] <Minataku> You want to copy everything recursively
[09:54] <daddydoc> actually, i haven't been able to move any files
[09:54] <daddydoc> correct
[09:54] <daddydoc> or individually if I have to
[09:54] <daddydoc> but,
[09:54] <Minataku> Okay, where is the origin mounted
[09:55] <Minataku> And where is the destination mounted
[09:55] <Minataku> I'ma handcraft the whole command for you
[09:55] <daddydoc> origin
[09:55] <Minataku> Origin, the starting point, where the things to be moved currently exist
[09:55] <Minataku> It's mounted somewhere, where is that
[09:56] <daddydoc> just a sec
[09:56] <daddydoc> stupid irc
[09:56] <daddydoc> .../media/temp
[09:56] <daddydoc> for /dev/sdb3
[09:56] <Minataku> Okay, where is the destination drive mounted?
[09:56] <daddydoc> the destination drive /dev/sdc1
[09:57] <Minataku> daddydoc: It has to be mounted somewhere
[09:57] <Minataku> You can't just copy files to a raw device
[09:57] <daddydoc> is mounted /media/tempsdc
[09:57] <Minataku> Okay
[09:58] <Minataku> "cp -R /media/temp/* /media/tempsdc"
[09:58] <Minataku> That should recursively copy every last file from /media/temp into an exact replica on /media/tempsdc
[09:58] <daddydoc> I think I already tried that but something is amiss... I will try that again
[09:58] <Minataku> Well, barring the entries in /dev
[09:58] <daddydoc> brb 3min
[09:59] <Minataku> Which may barf up a load of errors but those shouldn't stop the copying process
[09:59] <Minataku> At most you'll get a load of crap like "Could not create node" or whatever, ignore those
[10:00] <Minataku> It just means that any device entries in /dev on the origin couldn't be copied/made on the destination
[10:01] <daddydoc> ok
[10:01] <daddydoc> I get permission denied, cannot create directories
[10:01] <Minataku> Immediately?
[10:01] <daddydoc> I tried it with sudo and got input/output error
[10:01] <daddydoc> immediately
[10:01] <Minataku> Hm
[10:02] <Minataku> Try this: "cat /dev/null > /media/tempsdc/test"
[10:02] <Minataku> Tell me what error that returns
[10:02] <Minataku> If it's permission denied try again with sudo
[10:02] <daddydoc> input/output error
[10:02] <Minataku> That's not good
[10:03] <Minataku> Pastebin your mounts
[10:03] <daddydoc> ?
[10:03] <Minataku> Type "mount" and tell me what it says
[10:03] <Minataku> It's gonna be a lot so you need to use this:
[10:03] <Minataku> !pastebin
[10:03] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:04] <daddydoc> alot
[10:04] <daddydoc> just a sec
[10:04] <Minataku> k
[10:05] <daddydoc> rw for both mounts
[10:05] <Minataku> Well, if you're copy/pasting via ten-fingers then give me just those two
[10:05] <Minataku> It's not liking something about that other drive
[10:05] <Minataku> Does a simple "ls /media/tempsdc" work?
[10:06] <daddydoc> ../dev/sdb3 on /media/temp type xfs (rw)
[10:06] <Minataku> Woah, xfs, never seen anyone using that before
[10:06] <Minataku> Try that ls, if that fails then something is definitely wrong with that filesystem/partition/drive
[10:07] <Kyral> What about JFS? :D
[10:07] <daddydoc> nope,  give me a sec, let me make sure it is still mounted,,,,, I am pretty sure
[10:08] <andre> anybody how to install java runtime environment
[10:08] <Kyral> !java
[10:08] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[10:10] <andre> ubotu thanks
[10:10] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[10:10] <matteo> mm, there is also sun-java6-jre
[10:10] <Minataku> Quite possibly not in Ubuntu
[10:13] <jarn> What do you guys recommend as a program for viewing and editing mp3 tags?
[10:13] <jarn> Er, id3 tags
[10:14] <daddydoc> i remounted it, and now with the cat/null thingie, it says permission denied
[10:14] <daddydoc> and ls shows no files,  of course, it doesnt have any
[10:15] <daddydoc> owner and group of the directories are all root
[10:15] <nixbox> !grub
[10:15] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[10:18] <daddydoc> ?
[10:19] <daddydoc> input/output error
[10:19] <daddydoc> I can see the files that I want to move, and access them and read them, but I cant seem to be able to move them to the new hard drive
[10:20] <daddydoc> it says 'cannot create regular life"
[10:20] <daddydoc> file
[10:20] <daddydoc> so the files are there, but,,, cant move them,,,yet
[10:24] <daddydoc> anyone/
[10:25] <Minataku> daddydoc: Try "ls -la" on the destination
[10:26] <daddydoc> just   ls -la?
[10:26] <Minataku> Yeah
[10:26] <Dell-Net> what is the name of the program u updating your nvidia driver with ?
[10:27] <daddydoc> hmmmm input/output error
[10:28] <daddydoc> maybe I should format the drive with a different files system
[10:28] <daddydoc> that is better than xfs
[10:28] <daddydoc> I have a lot of large files, I thought xfs was better for that
[10:28] <daddydoc> but right now, as long as it works, I dont care
[10:30] <slow-motion> n8
[10:30] <Minataku> daddydoc: lol
[10:30] <Minataku> Yeah, something is screwed up with that drive/partition/filesystem
[10:31] <daddydoc> it bugs me that I can read, and see my files, but I cant move them anywhere
[10:32] <Minataku> It's not that
[10:32] <Minataku> It's just that you can't move them to that particular place
[10:32] <Minataku> lol
[10:32] <Minataku> For some reason or another
[10:32] <daddydoc> do you know what a "locked"logo means on a directory? and how you can change it? to remove the lock?
[10:33] <Chousuke> it means you don't have the permissions to access it.
[10:33] <shadowhywind> hay all, i have a problem, I can not seam to be able to change the resolution of my external monitor. It keeps defaulting to my laptop
[10:33] <Chousuke> shadowhywind: you can to change the permissions from the folder properties if you are the file owner
[10:34] <Chousuke> oops.
[10:34] <Chousuke> shadowhywind: sorry, not you :)
[10:34] <Chousuke> daddydoc: you, instead :P
[10:34] <daddydoc> the owner is root
[10:34] <shadowhywind> *snickers* i was going to say something.. hehe
[10:34] <Balsamic_Chicken> how do i start vmware (from console)?
[10:34] <daddydoc> how do become the root from a live cd
[10:34] <Chousuke> daddydoc: sudo -i in terminal should work
[10:35] <daddydoc> what is -i
[10:35] <Chousuke> it makes a root shell
[10:35] <daddydoc> ah
[10:35] <daddydoc> how do I get out of the shell
[10:35] <shadowhywind> couldn't he also do sudo bash as well?
[10:35] <manchicken> daddydoc: Ctrl-D
[10:35] <daddydoc> what does ctrl - d do?
[10:36] <luca_b> daddydoc: it executes the "logout" command
[10:36] <Chousuke> shadowhywind: sudo -i sets up the environment better
[10:36] <manchicken> daddydoc: Ctrl-D is the keystroke for end-of-file.  End-of-file causes the shell to exit.
[10:36] <daddydoc> thanks
[10:36] <loki_> i have no window borders!
[10:36] <luca_b> manchicken: EOF? I thought it was EOL (but I can't remember)
[10:37] <manchicken> daddydoc: Many things also use end-of-file to let them know to exit.
[10:37] <Chousuke> loki_: most likely your window manager crashed.
[10:37] <manchicken> luca_b: No, ^D is end-of-file.
[10:37] <Chousuke> loki_: do you run beryl or something?:)
[10:37] <loki_> yea just started it
[10:37] <luca_b> loki_: Which version of beryl is it?
[10:37] <Chousuke> I suppose that would be it.
[10:37] <Chousuke> beryl is a bit unstable still I guess.
[10:37] <luca_b> loki_: there is a known bug in the KDE "window decorator" n 0.1.4
[10:38] <loki_> beryl was recently updated
[10:38] <luca_b> if you use the Kubuntu window decoration, it crashes
[10:38] <loki_> it's when i use the beryl one it breaks
[10:39] <shadowhywind> so anyone have any ideas on resolution issues?
[10:39] <luca_b> loki_: Oh, I wanted KDE integration so I never used emerald, so I'm not sure about that specific problem
[10:39] <loki_> i didn't' install emerald, i installed aquamarine or something like that
[10:39] <luca_b> loki_: if Alt-F2 still brings up something, you may want to start konsole first of all
[10:40] <luca_b> loki_: Aquamarine is the "window decorator" (i.e. the window manager) for KDE that supports beryl
[10:40] <loki_> how do i get these borders back
[10:40] <luca_b> loki_: if you have beryl 0.1.4 it will crash, as I said, unless you change window decoration in system settings
[10:40] <luca_b> loki_: does alt-f2 bring up the run command dialog?
[10:40] <loki_> it's 0.1.9 or something
[10:40] <loki_> i have a konsole open
[10:41] <luca_b> ok
[10:41] <luca_b> loki_: start the original KDE window manager with "kwin &"
[10:41] <luca_b> loki_: that should do
[10:42] <loki_> ok well i think kwin is running and i have borders but no effects
[10:42] <luca_b> loki_: kwin doesn't support effects
[10:43] <loki_> so what's the point of having beryl?
[10:43] <luca_b> loki_: if you want to try effect
[10:43] <luca_b> loki_: do a sudo apt-get install emerald, that's another window manager for beryl
[10:43] <luca_b> loki_:  if it says it's already installed, re-run beryl-manager
[10:44] <luca_b> loki_: and if you get no borders, right click on the beryl icon in the "system tray"
[10:44] <luca_b> loki_: and find the option about choosing a window manager, and click on "emerald"
[10:45] <luca_b> loki_:  I can't give you precise directions as I have translated options and I don't know how the look in English
[10:45] <luca_b> they
[10:45] <loki_> ugh this thing is still not working
[10:46] <david___> hola
[10:46] <luca_b> loki_: I know
[10:46] <david___> hello
[10:46] <david___> im spanish
[10:46] <Minataku> !es | david___
[10:46] <ubotu> david___: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[10:46] <luca_b> try writing "emerald --replace" in konsole
[10:46] <david___> ^
[10:46] <Minataku> :)
[10:46] <david___> soy espaol
[10:46] <Minataku> Woah... ubotu has an error
[10:46] <david___> ii spain
[10:47] <david___> ^^
[10:47] <Minataku> It's Espa?ol
[10:47] <Minataku> !es | david___
[10:47] <ubotu> david___: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[10:47] <david___> soy david siii XD
[10:47] <luca_b> Minataku: I see it fine here
[10:47] <Minataku> luca_b: When ubotu says it I see "Espaol"
[10:47] <luca_b> Minataku: perhaps a matter of fonts?
[10:47] <david___> algn espaol???
[10:47] <Minataku> And I know I have proper character sets
[10:48] <Minataku> luca_b: Definitely not
[10:48] <LjL> david___: are you deaf?
[10:48] <david___> ecesito un espaol porfavor
[10:48] <Minataku> I can even see Japanese characters
[10:48] <david___> i spanish
[10:48] <david___> i dont understand
[10:48] <Minataku> LjL: I think he's a troll
[10:48] <luca_b> Minataku: odd indeed
[10:48] <LjL> david__: escrive /join #ubuntu-es
[10:48] <david___> sory
[10:48] <david___> linux!!!
[10:48] <david___> the best os
[10:49] <Minataku> Kind of a deficient ban
[10:49] <LjL> david__: para entrar en el canal espaol por favor escribe /join #ubuntu-es
[10:52] <david___> hola
[10:52] <Minataku> lol
[10:52] <Minataku> Wot, no kickban? X3
[10:53] <tsdgeos> LjL: did you kick him for asking on spanish?
[10:53] <Minataku> Negative, tsdgeos
[10:53] <Minataku> He was removed for trolling
[10:53] <tsdgeos> good
[10:58] <loki_> jesus beryl is so buggy
[10:59] <Minataku> loki_: Think of it this way... the alternative is Windows Vista
[11:00] <Alarm> when installing an app with apt-get , and then remove it with apt-get remove , it doesnt remove also the needed libraries that has installed. how can i remove everything that this application added during the installation but isnt needed anymore in the system ?
[11:01] <Minataku> Alarm: That strapped for space?
[11:01] <foxbunny> hi
[11:01] <Alarm> Minataku,  what do u mean ?
[11:01] <Minataku> Alarm: Personally I'd leave them
[11:02] <nothlit> Alarm, use apt-get auto-remove
[11:02] <Alarm> autoremove .
[11:02] <nothlit> or aptitude to install things
[11:02] <Minataku> They're not gonna hurt anything by being there and only make for less work in the future when something else needs them
[11:02] <Minataku> Keep in mind that sometimes there are "retard dependencies"
[11:02] <Alarm> ok... i will leave them then
[11:02] <Alarm> :)
[11:02] <nothlit> Minataku, such a messy filesystem with orphans =/
[11:02] <Minataku> Where trying to uninstall something tries to uninstall everything
[11:03] <foxbunny> is there a repository with up-to-date versions of ghostscript APFL and GPL?
[11:05] <marcos_> ol[a galera, acabei de migrar pro KDE
[11:05] <foxbunny> Up to date GhostScript, anyone?
[11:05] <dope> i cannot close the server list in konversation when i run beryl :|
[11:06] <tsdgeos> !pt
[11:06] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[11:06] <Minataku> Ah, Portugese, neither of my guesses were right
[11:06] <Minataku> lol
[11:07] <foxbunny> does anyone use Kubuntu for DTP?
[11:07] <MidMark> dtp?
[11:07] <foxbunny> Desk top publishing
[11:07] <MidMark> that is?
[11:07] <foxbunny> Scribus+Inkscape+GIMP+GhostScript....
[11:07] <Minataku> Making pretty things
[11:08] <Minataku> Printing them up
[11:08] <foxbunny> creating publications for print (brochures, books, etc)
[11:08] <Minataku> Selling them for money
[11:08] <foxbunny> yeah, I wish
[11:08] <Minataku> lol
[11:08] <foxbunny> :D
[11:08] <Minataku> foxbunny: Thank you for choosing a Free OS to do such on
[11:08] <Minataku> One less Mac user is... well it's a relief if anything
[11:08] <Minataku> lol
[11:08] <foxbunny> choosing a free OS?! omg, I gotta go!
[11:09] <foxbunny> hehe
[11:09] <dope> i can't get a cube effect going
[11:09] <foxbunny> I never used mac
[11:09] <foxbunny> I use Linux for about a year and a half... well... close to two years now
[11:09] <Minataku> If I see those Mac commercials any more I'm gonna go to Apple's HQ and drop a deuce on their lobby's reception desk
[11:09] <marcos_> existe alguma chance de alguem q n'ao fala ingels sobreviver poraqui
[11:09] <foxbunny> I started a magazine on Linux DTP a while ago... but only for Serbian LUG....
[11:09] <Minataku> j/k, but it's fun to think about doing
[11:09] <foxbunny> so I'm not really a newb
[11:09] <foxbunny> :D
[11:10] <Tm_T> marcos_: I hope you can speak english too.
[11:10] <Minataku> foxbunny: Coo
[11:10] <marcos_> i dont speak english ?(
[11:10] <BluesKaj> dope , ' fgl_glxgears '
[11:10] <dope> ?
[11:10] <Minataku> !pr | marcos_
[11:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:10] <Minataku> Erm
[11:10] <Tm_T> Heheh.
[11:10] <Minataku> Oh
[11:10] <Minataku> !pt | marcos_
[11:10] <ubotu> marcos_: Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[11:11] <foxbunny> Minataku: btw, my very first distro was Ubuntu, so I'm not new to this either... but I was using Arch for a longish time, and I have bad habbits...
[11:11] <BluesKaj> !3d gears
[11:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 3d gears - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:11] <Minataku> foxbunny: I know what you mean
[11:11] <marcos_> grato ubotu
[11:11] <foxbunny> Minataku: like wanting to get the newest packages of everything... :(
[11:11] <Minataku> !glxgears
[11:11] <ubotu> To display the FPS in glxgears, run 'glxgears -printfps' in a terminal.
[11:11] <Minataku> I started with SuSE then moved to Gentoo
[11:11] <BluesKaj> !fgl_glxgears
[11:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fgl_glxgears - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:11] <dope> when i rotate my desktop in beryl it's just 2 screens instead of a cube
[11:11] <foxbunny> Minataku: so, why did you?
[11:12] <BluesKaj> fgl_glxgears , works for ATI Radeon
[11:12] <Minataku> BluesKaj: I'm pretty sure what you're looking for is just glxgears
[11:12] <Tm_T> Well, stop fishing bot, go private. ;)
[11:12] <Minataku> foxbunny: I wanted to have freedom
[11:12] <Minataku> Face it... Windows sucks
[11:13] <K`zan> sucks badly at that and is going to get worse...
[11:13] <Minataku> I was sick of all the license agreements and closed-source binaries and the incessant hand-holding
[11:13] <foxbunny> Minataku: yup... and I needed a DTP workstation that was free of windows, too. so I had to wait a bit longer... :)
[11:13] <Minataku> If I'm not allowed to hurt myself how the hell will I learn?
[11:13] <Minataku> You don't truly know that "fire bad" until you try to grab it
[11:13] <Tm_T> Minataku: Learn? You just hand money, no need to learn.
[11:13] <Tm_T> hand out even
[11:13] <dope> i should have 4 desktops but 8 are showing up in my taskbar
[11:14] <foxbunny> Tm_T: handing lots of money is a painful experience
[11:14] <foxbunny> >D
[11:14] <Tm_T> foxbunny: Give it to me!
[11:14] <Minataku> I'd rather do the aforementioned grabbing of a flame than pay thousands of dollars
[11:14] <Minataku> lol
[11:14] <foxbunny> Minataku: or have your bucks catch fire
[11:15] <foxbunny> ?
[11:15] <Minataku> lol
[11:15] <Thehound666> help please
[11:15] <Minataku> Well, if it came down to it, I'd rather put out a burning candle with my palm than use Windows
[11:15] <Thehound666> I had 30 GB of free disk space that vanished
[11:15] <Thehound666> I come back now and it says 0
[11:15] <foxbunny> Minataku: any new large repo lists out there? Haven't used (K)ubuntu in a while...
[11:15] <Thehound666> I've downloaded nothing
[11:15] <Tm_T> Seriously said, Windows works in some paricular jobs here, but no way can be my primary OS.
[11:15] <Minataku> Thehound666: Plug the drive back in *rimshot*
[11:16] <Minataku> Thehound666: Make sure something didn't go runaway and make some retardedly huge file
[11:16] <Thehound666> I don't see any new files in filelight
[11:16] <Tm_T> foxbunny: ;)
[11:16] <Minataku> Hm
[11:16] <Thehound666> in fact filelight claims the space is not used
[11:17] <Thehound666> but I can't even save a .torrent file
[11:17] <Minataku> Thehound666: Did a drive in a RAID set fail?
[11:17] <Thehound666> single drive
[11:17] <Minataku> Did something crap out and unmount itself?
[11:17] <Minataku> Hm
[11:17] <Thehound666> unpartitioned
[11:17] <Minataku> Unpartitioned?!
[11:17] <Thehound666> only Linux and swap
[11:17] <Thehound666> no extras
[11:17] <Minataku> Oh, okay
[11:17] <Thehound666> ext3
[11:17] <Tm_T> Er, there's partitions then. ;)
[11:17] <Minataku> I was about to say, swap files are for Windows users
[11:18] <Thehound666> so what ate my space? I checked it before I went to bed
[11:18] <Thehound666> I get on today and 0
[11:18] <Minataku> Thehound666: Well, there are supposedly ways to find out
[11:19] <Minataku> Think about files that are constantly updated with crap
[11:19] <Minataku> Then check them
[11:19] <Minataku> Look in /tmp, clear it out if you feel the need
[11:19] <Thehound666> none that I know to the tune of 30 GB
[11:19] <Thehound666> I did sudo apt-get clean'
[11:19] <Thehound666> it cleaned nothing
[11:19] <Thehound666> 0 bytes free
[11:19] <Minataku> Think about anything you may have left going that decided to crap itself all over 30GB worth of HDD
[11:20] <Thehound666> only rtorrent but it was only seeding
[11:20] <Minataku> Hm
[11:20] <Minataku> I fear possible corruption
[11:20] <Thehound666> ok any repair utility?
[11:20] <Minataku> fsck
[11:21] <Minataku> !fsck
[11:21] <ubotu> fsck is the FileSystem ChecKer, which runs automatically when you boot if you didn't shutdown cleanly. Type "man fsck" for information on running it manually. The command "sudo shutdown -F -r now" will force a reboot and a filesystem check; "sudo touch /fastboot" will skip a filesystem check at next reboot
[11:21] <Thehound666> WARNING!!!  Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause
[11:21] <Thehound666> SEVERE filesystem damage.
[11:21] <foxbunny> Oh yeah, one more question... how do I display boot script output during boot? The progress bar just doesn't cut it.
[11:21] <Minataku> Yeah, you can't do that
[11:21] <Minataku> Thehound666: Look around
[11:22] <Minataku> See if there's anything that's insanely huge
[11:22] <Minataku> Look in /tmp or any other place where a huge file may end up
[11:22] <gnomefreak> foxbunny: remove quiet and splash from the boot options
[11:22] <foxbunny> gnomefreak: thx
[11:22] <gnomefreak> yw
[11:22] <Minataku> Say... does Ubuntu have core dumps enabled?
[11:22] <gnomefreak> Minataku: yes
[11:22] <Thehound666> it doesn't show in filelight
[11:22] <gnomefreak> Minataku: edgy?
[11:22] <Minataku> gnomefreak: Look around for hundreds or thousands of core files
[11:22] <Minataku> lol
[11:23] <Thehound666> which shows how much of my drive a file consumes graphically
[11:23] <foxbunny> gnomefreak: can that be an option during boot... like disable it by pressing Esc or something?
[11:23] <Minataku> gnomefreak: Unknown, ask Thehound666
[11:23] <Thehound666> worst is 10 GB but I know about the file
[11:23] <Thehound666> have had it for months
[11:23] <gnomefreak> foxbunny: yes you can edit it from grub or you can go into /boot/grub/menu.lst and do it
[11:23] <Minataku> Thehound666: What I'm saying is perhaps there are files that you DON'T know about
[11:23] <foxbunny> gnomefreak: ok, got it. thx
[11:23] <foxbunny> again
[11:24] <Minataku> Perhaps if something got into a crashloop it left hundreds of core files
[11:24] <Thehound666> Minataku: would filelight not show a huge file taking up huge space?
[11:24] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: if something crashed on edgy go into /var/crash and you will see an apport report with a coredump in it
[11:24] <Minataku> Thehound666: I can't say, I've never used Filelight
[11:24] <Minataku> gnomefreak: His issue is that he had 30GB free last night and 0B right now
[11:25] <gnomefreak> Minataku: thats not a coredump
[11:25] <surgy> !nvidia
[11:25] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:25] <Minataku> gnomefreak: I was thinking it could have been many coredumps
[11:25] <gnomefreak> unless firefox crashed like 300 times
[11:25] <Minataku> For example some app that relaunched itself after crashing and promptly crashed again
[11:25] <Minataku> gnomefreak: I gotta go eat, I'll hand this over to you
[11:26] <gnomefreak> ff and tb are the 2 biggest crash reports you will run into (most cases)
[11:26] <Minataku> gnomefreak: Really, anything that uses a lot of memory
[11:26] <Thehound666> /var/crash does not exist
[11:26] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: are you on edgy or dapper?
[11:26] <Minataku> But yes, food time, good luck, guys
[11:26] <Thehound666> edgy
[11:26] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: its there
[11:26] <BluesKaj> yeah strange , i visited the linuxkernel site and afterwards FF wouldn't load
[11:26] <Thehound666> I typed it in Konqueror
[11:26] <gnomefreak> its there by default you would have to remove it
[11:27] <Thehound666> and got error returned it does not exist
[11:27] <shadowhywind> anyone around that could help me with a resolution problem. It keeps defaulting to my laptop screen resolution, and not my external resolution, even after setting the correct size in xorg.conf
[11:27] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: try cd /var/crash/
[11:27] <gnomefreak> in terminal
[11:27] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: you didnt happen to remove apport did you?
[11:28] <Thehound666> no
[11:28] <gnomefreak> kind of hard to do without noticing
[11:28] <Thehound666> bash: cd: /var/crash: No such file or directory
[11:28] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm
[11:28] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: who else has control of your pc?
[11:28] <Thehound666> noone
[11:28] <Grim76> gnomefreak: I don't show that directory either.
[11:28] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: try apt-cache policy apport
[11:29] <gnomefreak> it should be there. unless it only generates with first crash report
[11:30] <Thehound666> it generated something but don't know what to make of it
[11:30] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: whats the name of it
[11:30] <Thehound666> apport:
[11:30] <Thehound666>   Installed: (none)
[11:30] <Thehound666>   Candidate: 0.28
[11:30] <Thehound666>   Version table:
[11:30] <Thehound666>      0.28 0
[11:30] <Thehound666>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com edgy/main Packages
[11:30] <gnomefreak> lol
[11:31] <gnomefreak> give me a min
[11:31] <dope> i should only have 4 desktops but there are 16  now :|
[11:32] <gnomefreak> ok it seems kde doesnt install apport by default
[11:32] <Thehound666> I have alot of torrent data but have somewhere to ftp it
[11:33] <Thehound666> should I format?
[11:33] <Tm_T> Hrr.
[11:33] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: Have fun.
[11:34] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: ha
[11:34] <Tm_T> Good night kids, behave etc. ->
[11:34] <Thehound666> lol
[11:34] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: no give me a few im talking to devels that are here at this time of week :(
[11:34] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: anything look new?
[11:34] <dave_> Hi, does anyone know how to change the default applications in Kubuntu edgy? -The gui doesn't work!
[11:35] <dwidmann> dave_: which application are you trying to change?
[11:35] <Thehound666> new? just this problem that started small and exploded
[11:35] <tehpwn> Hello.
[11:35] <dave_> I want to make fireox default web browser etc
[11:35] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: any new files or things you havent seen before in your home dir.
[11:35] <Thehound666> no
[11:35] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: and you lost 30gigs?
[11:35] <Thehound666> just my torrents and rtorrent config
[11:35] <Thehound666> yes
[11:35] <dwidmann> should be able to do that in systemsettings, and it will work for you in _most_ apps.
[11:35] <tehpwn> So who want's to hear my current problem?
[11:36] <Thehound666> 0 B free space
[11:36] <Thehound666> exactly 0 B
[11:36] <tehpwn> (life isses) :(
[11:36] <dwidmann> tehpwn, might as well let everybody hear it
[11:36] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: ok give me a few im gonna go smoke and ill be back with a few commands to run. im not so sure you lost it as if it just doesnt list it anymore
[11:36] <shadowhywind> ok weridness, my login is fine (1680x1050) but when i log in it switches to 1024x768
[11:36] <dave_> dwidmann, the systems setting option doesn't work, there is a bug in it.
[11:37] <Thehound666> me too then, I'll minimise so I know if you talked by the time I get back
[11:37] <Thehound666> I definitely need one
[11:37] <dwidmann> dave_: what sort of bug?
[11:38] <dave_> dwidmann, you change the settings in the GUI, but the changes are not applied, I found a page on the web about it (but now i gan't find the page again to find the fix)
[11:39] <dwidmann> dave_: how odd, it always worked for me ... I have mine set to opera ...
[11:40] <tehpwn> Hummm, to start, currently I'm living with my aunt and uncle and they are getting kind of sick of me I believe... I know I needed to get a job, so I set up and interniew with Mc D's and am supposed to start work next week... I have worked at McD's before, hated the job and only was there because a friend wanted me to stay... So now I'm somewhat depressed because I reallly want to get into the computer field (hardware end) but I'm
[11:40] <tehpwn> having no luck searching for jobs on the internet and I have no idea what I shoud do... So yeah... Sorry for the long off topic post... hehe
[11:40] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: how big is hd
[11:41] <dave_> dwidmann, it worked for me in Edgy before (i upgraded from dapper), but since i did a frresh install of Edgy it doesn't :-(
[11:41] <BluesKaj> tehpwn, http://www.linkedin.com/search?reset=
[11:41] <dwidmann> dave_: I'm running a clean install of edgy :\
[11:42] <Thehound666> 200 GB
[11:42] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: all for ubuntu?
[11:42] <Thehound666> yes
[11:42] <gnomefreak> 200gig all for ubuntu
[11:43] <Thehound666> I torrent off Ubuntu
[11:43] <tehpwn> BluesKaj, I don't get it?
[11:43] <dave_> dwidmann, kdewallet also got screwed up in the reinstall, it doesn't actually send the passwords stored in it to the applications (eg kopete)
[11:43] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: menaing you host torrents?
[11:43] <gnomefreak> meaning*
[11:43] <Thehound666> kde wallet never worked for me but it's a non-issue to me
[11:43] <Thehound666> seed and leech
[11:43] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: no data was lost right?
[11:43] <dwidmann> I've got no idea dave_ ... you could delete the wallet using kwalletmanager perhaps
[11:44] <Thehound666> nope
[11:44] <manchicken> I love kwallet.
[11:44] <BluesKaj> tehpwn, networking for jobs
[11:44] <manchicken> It's so nice.
[11:44] <Thehound666> it's all there
[11:44] <bobleny> Hey, could someone help me? My computer will freez on shut down. It seems to be at random, but I find that hard to belive... If I remember right, it wont display the blue kubuntu sign and will just sit there.
[11:44] <manchicken> bobleny: Are you running the proprietary ATI drivers?
[11:44] <dave_> dwidmann, again i read about this issue before and can't find the page again
[11:44] <dwidmann> bobleny: probably a hardware problem ... like acpi or something
[11:44] <ahyup> <--- new to linux and ubuntu 6.06 ... havin an awful time installing on 770X IBM laptop
[11:44] <dwidmann> or perhaps buggy binary blob drivers
[11:45] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: are you using GUI to see your disks, is that how you found out your missing it?
[11:45] <Thehound666> I right clicked the folder I copied to to see if it's read-only
[11:45] <Thehound666> when I got the space error
[11:46] <dwidmann> ahyup: and what is making an awful time of it?
[11:46] <Thehound666> said free 0 B
[11:46] <ahyup> the installs keep failing
[11:46] <ahyup> at various points
[11:46] <bobleny> manchicken, Well, um, IDK, what are proprietary ATI drivers. I know I have a Radion ATI graphics card installed, is that what your talking about?
[11:46] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: just the folder?
[11:46] <ahyup> fdisked and reformatted ... no luck
[11:46] <dave_> Thanks for trying to help guys! 'Night.
[11:46] <Thehound666> yeah it said 0 B of 197 GB 100% used
[11:46] <dwidmann> ahyup, if you burned the disk  yourself, did you check it for errors?
[11:47] <manchicken> bobleny: Did you install the 3D drivers?
[11:47] <ahyup> yes .... chksum seemed ok
[11:47] <Thehound666> not sure why it say 197
[11:47] <Thehound666> drive is 200
[11:47] <bobleny> dwidmann, if it is a hardware problem, then howcome windows has no problem turning off and on?
[11:47] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: can you pastebin the output of df
[11:47] <manchicken> Thehound666: What does df say?
[11:47] <manchicken> gnomefreak: You win
[11:47] <gnomefreak> :)
[11:47] <gnomefreak> manchicken: i tried a few
[11:47] <gnomefreak> i needed size output
[11:48] <gnomefreak> fdisk doesnt give it
[11:48] <bxnp> tehpwn: how is your wifi connection still workinig
[11:48] <dwidmann> bobleny: I just said it _could_ be. Sometimes it doesn't shut off right for windows either (one of my old computers had t hat problem)
[11:48] <bobleny> Manchiken, uhh, I don't think I so.. I have no idea.
[11:48] <gnomefreak> wait a min
[11:48] <Thehound666> paste bin
[11:48] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: how bug was the folder you copied?
[11:48] <Thehound666> !pastebin
[11:48] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:48] <gnomefreak> big
[11:48] <bobleny> I just installed kubuntu and away I went
[11:48] <tehpwn> bxnp, it's working perfectly
[11:49] <tehpwn> :-D
[11:49] <Thehound666> folder I copied to only stores .torrent files
[11:49] <manchicken> bobleny: do a `dpkg -l | grep fglrx`
[11:49] <Thehound666> was copying a .torrent file
[11:49] <bxnp> and do you have other problems with kubuntu at the moment
[11:49] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: what size was it
[11:49] <dwidmann> ahyup, did you try using the "check disk for errors" option after booting the disk?
[11:49] <Thehound666> a few KB
[11:50] <gnomefreak> thats it
[11:50] <ahyup> yes ... did mem test too
[11:50] <Thehound666> yup
[11:50] <bobleny> manchicken, what is supposed to happen, it simply went down a line....
[11:50] <tehpwn> bxnp, no, just life :( lol
[11:50] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: while your at it pastebin the output of df -h also
[11:50] <dwidmann> ahyup, you say it froze ... how much memory do you have? I know it gets dead slow if the installer starts running low on memory
[11:50] <manchicken> bobleny: Okay, so it seems like you don't have that installed.
[11:51] <bobleny> Oh?
[11:51] <dwidmann> (speaking of the alternate installer anyway)
[11:51] <manchicken> bobleny: that's good.
[11:51] <ahyup> memory is marginal ... 192 meg
[11:51] <manchicken> bobleny: The ATI drivers cause problems like this.
[11:51] <bobleny> What dont I have installed, and why is it good?
[11:51] <dwidmann> shouldn't be any problem with 192meg
[11:51] <manchicken> bobleny: Do you have any wireless drivers set up?  like bcm43xx?
[11:52] <ahyup> my last try almost made it ... i'm just getting frustrated
[11:52] <dwidmann> anything less than 128 and even the alternate disk starts to chocke
[11:52] <dwidmann> *choke
[11:52] <bobleny> I have a linksys wireless USB thingy hooked to it...
[11:52] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: when pasted can you give me the links please
[11:53] <manchicken> bobleny: did you have to install anything fancy to run that?
[11:53] <dwidmann> ahyup, how long did you let it sit after you thought it froze?
[11:53] <ahyup> this is the first time i've been on irc in about 8 yrs ... i kinda missed it
[11:54] <bobleny> manchicken: No, kubuntu did it all its self, I just gave it numbers to connect to.
[11:54] <ahyup> about 20 minutes
[11:54] <manchicken> bobleny: Okay, so far so good.
[11:54] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: is ther eanything in the folder (the copy one not the original)
[11:54] <manchicken> Do you have anything in your /var/log/kern.log?
[11:54] <Thehound666> having issues with pastebin
[11:55] <dwidmann> ahyup, if you have a decent connection, try downloading the alternate install disk and using it to install ... I doubt it will fail.
[11:55] <Thehound666> says I'm appearing to spam it
[11:55] <gnomefreak> lol
[11:55] <ahyup> ok
[11:55] <bobleny> manchiken, let me check...
[11:55] <ahyup> then what?
[11:55] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: try pastebin.ca
[11:55] <gnomefreak> type that in browser and it will bring you there
[11:55] <dwidmann> thehound666, the pastebin referred by ubotu seems to be giving everybody this problem lately
[11:55] <Thehound666> got it 1 sec
[11:56] <Thehound666> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2479/
[11:56] <lemon> ciao
[11:56] <Thehound666> 3rd time was a charm
[11:56] <lemon> help!
[11:56] <Thehound666> after reloading
[11:56] <lemon> !help
[11:56] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:56] <bobleny> manchicken: Nope, just an empty file...
[11:57] <manchicken> bobleny: What about /var/log/messages?
[11:58] <ciscosurfer> Hello.  I am primarily a GNOME user but have decided to try my hand at KDE (I've installed kubuntu)...what is the best way to start customizing my new environment?  thanks :-)
[11:58] <Minataku> Back
[11:58] <Minataku> Thehound666: Figure out what was up?
[11:59] <Thehound666> not yet gnomefreak is looking at my paste
[11:59] <Minataku> ciscosurfer: First of all, congratulations for switching, you won't be disappointed... then again after GNOME even Windows looks good ;D
[11:59] <gnomefreak> ok im thinking i know it
[11:59] <bobleny> There are some words but I have no idea what any of it means.
[11:59] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: is it possible the torrents unpacked when coping it?
[11:59] <ahyup> i'm going to give the alternate installation CD a shot ... thans for your help
[11:59] <manchicken> bobleny: Pastebin it.
[11:59] <manchicken> !pastebin
[11:59] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:59] <ahyup> thanks i meant
[12:00] <ciscosurfer> Minataku: so...first course of action should be...
[12:00] <ciscosurfer> Minataku: superkaramba?
[12:00] <gnomefreak> who was having issues with pastebin
[12:00] <Thehound666> unpacked? the whole folder is only about let me see several megs
[12:00] <Minataku> ciscosurfer: Read the manuals
[12:00] <Minataku> lol
[12:00] <Thehound666> not even a gig
[12:00] <Thehound666> .torrent is small
[12:00] <Minataku> Thehound666: Thankfully you're saved by the root set-aside
[12:00] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: im thinking if you dlete that file and remove it from trash you will gain all your gigs back
[12:00] <bobleny> manchicken: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2480/plain/
[12:00] <ciscosurfer> Minataku: seriously?  but chat is so much quicker...and the *experts* are here, no?
[12:00] <Minataku> That 5% keeps your ass out of the fire... and I always thought that it was stupid
[12:01] <Minataku> ciscosurfer: Well, for customizing and learning, the manuals are the first course of action
[12:01] <Minataku> The experts are here for things that they don't cover
[12:01] <Minataku> Or in case a problem arises
[12:01] <manchicken> bobleny: Your machine's name is George?  Awesome.
[12:01] <ciscosurfer> Minataku: I understand that.  Can you at least lead me in right direction?  A link perhaps?
[12:01] <Minataku> !kde
[12:01] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[12:01] <Thehound666> lol I got 28 MB free
[12:02] <Minataku> lol, not that
[12:02] <Minataku> XD
[12:02] <gnomefreak> thats it
[12:02] <manchicken> bobleny: I have no idea what's going on to be honest.  What type of processor are you running?
[12:02] <Minataku> Can anyone point ciscosurfer to info on customizing KDE
[12:02] <gnomefreak> how many times did you copy it and in what dir?
[12:02] <Minataku> ciscosurfer: I think KDE has a whole built-in help system
[12:02] <Minataku> Kinda like CDE has
[12:02] <Thehound666> once but that was my whole trash I emptied
[12:02] <bobleny> manchicken: AMD Athlon?
[12:02] <Thehound666> forgot I deleted 2 rars before
[12:03] <manchicken> bobleny: 64 or 32?
[12:03] <gnomefreak> 32
[12:03] <Thehound666> 14.3 MBx2
[12:03] <gnomefreak> im betting
[12:03] <bobleny> I cant remember... I  think 64
[12:03] <ciscosurfer> Minataku, dwidmann: ok
[12:03] <gnomefreak> kind of hard to miss the 64 sticker on box
[12:03] <manchicken> bobleny: Gimme a `uname -a`
[12:04] <manchicken> TOUCHDOWN
[12:04] <bobleny> wowa what?
[12:04] <manchicken> Sorry, wrong chan
[12:04] <Minataku> ciscosurfer: Remember, people have already made an effort to give you as much documentation as possible along with the software itself
[12:04] <bobleny> still, what is uname -a?
[12:04] <gnomefreak> bobleny: a command to run in terminal
[12:04] <Minataku> Don't just throw their work in the trash and come right to us ;D
[12:04] <manchicken> bobleny: Type it into your shell, and let me know what it says
[12:04] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: no let me think for a min
[12:04] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: did you copy it in terminal?
[12:04] <gnomefreak> or from gui
[12:05] <tehpwn> BluesKaj, Ok, what do I do after I sign up? I'm supposed to intive people?
[12:05] <Thehound666> no in the GUI
[12:05] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: ok
[12:05] <bobleny> Linux George 2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP Tue Dec 5 22:28:26 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:05] <Thehound666> right click, copy-paste
[12:05] <Minataku> bobleny: uname is a command to pull information about the running kernel
[12:05] <Thehound666> but it failed to copy
[12:05] <Thehound666> due to space error
[12:05] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: maybe its all in cache?
[12:05] <manchicken> bobleny: That says you're running an i686 architecture.  That's 32-bit.
[12:05] <Thehound666> the cache can eat 30 gigs of HD?
[12:05] <Minataku> Linux Piyoko 2.6.19.1-Pyocola-i686 #1 PREEMPT Wed Dec 20 23:21:32 EST 2006 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[12:05] <gnomefreak> manchicken: clean cache in kde
[12:06] <Minataku> Mine is decidedly longer
[12:06] <gnomefreak> manchicken: oops how to
[12:06] <Minataku> lol
[12:06] <dwidmann> yum yum
[12:06] <Minataku> Why is the Kubuntu uname so short? O.o
[12:06] <bobleny> 32 good or bad?
[12:06] <Minataku> bobleny: 32 is just fine
[12:06] <manchicken> gnomefreak: Configure Konq, Cache, Clear Cache
[12:06] <Minataku> It's what we've all been using since 1989 or so
[12:06] <manchicken> bobleny: Not bad, just a different arc.
[12:06] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: can you try that i dont think its it but try it
[12:06] <bobleny> Ph
[12:06] <Thehound666> how?
[12:06] <bobleny> lol Oh*
[12:07] <Thehound666> apt-get clean?
[12:07] <virnik> :-)
[12:07] <manchicken> apt-get clean may help.
[12:07] <virnik> heh
[12:07] <Thehound666> did that before
[12:07] <Minataku> Specifically, 32 is the length of the data word the architecture works on
[12:07] <Thehound666> freed 0
[12:07] <virnik> havent updated by apt for a six monts
[12:07] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: try that too
[12:07] <virnik> months
[12:07] <virnik> now it will take almost hour
[12:07] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: clear out cache in konq
[12:07] <tehpwn> !skype
[12:07] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype  -  To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[12:07] <Minataku> This is 00000000000000000000000000000000 in binary, 0x00000000 in hexadecimal
[12:07] <MidMark> guys today I have learned that kppp isn't able to set default gateway if there is an ethernet card enabled... is there a workaround?
[12:07] <gnomefreak> its not gonna help i wouldnt think
[12:07] <lemon> !nvidia
[12:07] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:08] <Minataku> Compared to 64bit, which I'm not typing out in binary but is 0x0000000000000000 in hexadecimal
[12:08] <lemon> !list
[12:08] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[12:08] <BluesKaj> isn't kppp a dialup program ?
[12:08] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: yes
[12:08] <Thehound666> Konqueror is not set to use one
[12:08] <MidMark> BluesKaj: yes
[12:08] <Thehound666> I use Firefox for my browsing anyways
[12:09] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: what gui did you use to copy the folder
[12:10] <Thehound666> I used the normal default desktop
[12:10] <BluesKaj> MidMark,  then maybe the ethernet card should be taken out of the pc and replaced with a dialup modem
[12:10] <Thehound666> which is Konqueror but it's unchecked
[12:10] <Thehound666> the option "use cache"
[12:10] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: its on your desktop not your home dir?
[12:10] <Minataku> Why replace it?
[12:10] <Minataku> There should be plenty of open slots
[12:10] <Minataku> lol
[12:10] <BluesKaj> or bypass it somehow
[12:10] <dope> my freaking windows are going black!
[12:11] <Thehound666> I copied from my Desktop to /home/thehound/torrents
[12:11] <Minataku> dope: Oh no, once they do that they don't go back!
[12:11] <Minataku> Sorry, that was really lame XD
[12:11] <MidMark> BluesKaj: the problem was: with BOTH an ethernet card and a dialup modem then kppp isn't able to set default gateway to the one provided by the connection, however disabling ethernet card make it works
[12:11] <dope> OMG!
[12:11] <BluesKaj> well if dhcp is gonna be default on bootup , that's my suggestion
[12:12] <Mayasha____1> my webcam on my site    www.ghidul-universitatilor.ro/?3853
[12:13] <MidMark> dhcp was off
[12:14] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: i would keep checking with people in here but i think coping the folder unpackage the torrents and possibly installed them (check if they are installed and when) but it had something to do when it was coping the folder it is reversible if that is the case (i would rather have someone a bit better with kde and its context menu than me