| OmegaCenti | I dont see o files. | 12:04 |
|---|---|---|
| OmegaCenti | and I dont see hello with no suffix. | 12:04 |
| OmegaCenti | one sec pasting. | 12:04 |
| mnoir | type pwd and paste result here | 12:04 |
| mnoir | pwd=present working directory | 12:05 |
| OmegaCenti | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2349/ | 12:05 |
| nothlit | OmegaCenti, did you run make? i might have missed it but i think you only ran ./configure | 12:05 |
| OmegaCenti | k | 12:05 |
| OmegaCenti | no i didnt run make | 12:05 |
| mnoir | oh - I see | 12:05 |
| OmegaCenti | lol that could be it :) | 12:05 |
| mnoir | :) | 12:05 |
| mnoir | cd .. and then make | 12:06 |
| mnoir | ! | 12:06 |
| OmegaCenti | one sec i will cd .. and type make | 12:06 |
| OmegaCenti | omegacenti@ZeNotePad:~/sandbox/hello-2.1.1/src$ ls -latr | 12:06 |
| OmegaCenti | total 132 | 12:06 |
| OmegaCenti | -rw-r--r-- 1 omegacenti omegacenti 138 2001-06-01 23:39 version.c | 12:06 |
| OmegaCenti | -rw-r--r-- 1 omegacenti omegacenti 862 2001-06-01 23:39 system.h | 12:06 |
| OmegaCenti | -rw-r--r-- 1 omegacenti omegacenti 1354 2002-05-22 12:10 Makefile.am | 12:06 |
| OmegaCenti | -rw-r--r-- 1 omegacenti omegacenti 6393 2002-05-22 12:19 getopt.h | 12:06 |
| OmegaCenti | -rw-r--r-- 1 omegacenti omegacenti 30530 2002-05-22 12:19 getopt.c | 12:06 |
| OmegaCenti | -rw-r--r-- 1 omegacenti omegacenti 4466 2002-05-22 12:19 getopt1.c | 12:06 |
| OmegaCenti | -rw-r--r-- 1 omegacenti omegacenti 14387 2002-05-22 12:19 alloca.c | 12:06 |
| OmegaCenti | -rw-r--r-- 1 omegacenti omegacenti 7163 2002-05-22 12:23 ChangeLog | 12:06 |
| OmegaCenti | -rw-r--r-- 1 omegacenti omegacenti 10416 2002-06-09 00:29 Makefile.in | 12:06 |
| OmegaCenti | -rw-r--r-- 1 omegacenti omegacenti 8308 2007-01-20 15:48 hello.c | 12:06 |
| OmegaCenti | -rw-r--r-- 1 omegacenti omegacenti 10097 2007-01-20 16:45 Makefile | 12:06 |
| OmegaCenti | drwxr-xr-x 2 omegacenti omegacenti 4096 2007-01-20 16:45 .deps | 12:06 |
| OmegaCenti | drwxr-xr-x 11 omegacenti omegacenti 4096 2007-01-20 16:45 .. | 12:06 |
| OmegaCenti | drwxr-xr-x 3 omegacenti omegacenti 4096 2007-01-20 16:45 . | 12:06 |
| OmegaCenti | omegacenti@ZeNotePad:~/sandbox/hello-2.1.1/src$ | 12:06 |
| OmegaCenti | no? | 12:06 |
| OmegaCenti | WOAH | 12:06 |
| OmegaCenti | stupid tap pad!!!! | 12:06 |
| mnoir | uuh - bad manners to flood here... | 12:06 |
| OmegaCenti | am I disconnected because of flood? if not respond please. | 12:06 |
| nothlit | nope not d/c | 12:06 |
| OmegaCenti | I realy and truly did not mean to | 12:06 |
| mnoir | i am here and you are too :) | 12:07 |
| nothlit | you only get d/c if you haven't registered your nick | 12:07 |
| OmegaCenti | my tap pad typed it right before I hit enter. | 12:07 |
| mnoir | ok - anyway - do the make in the top dir for the package | 12:07 |
| OmegaCenti | k | 12:07 |
| mnoir | it will be quick as this is a very small pkg | 12:07 |
| OmegaCenti | it is made | 12:07 |
| mnoir | and will tell you it is over | 12:08 |
| OmegaCenti | kde can take days right? | 12:08 |
| mnoir | now ls -latr | 12:08 |
| OmegaCenti | src is last file :) | 12:08 |
| mnoir | :) - not soo long - i can build a whole os in 45 min | 12:08 |
| mnoir | directory | 12:08 |
| mnoir | cd to it and ls | 12:08 |
| OmegaCenti | did it | 12:08 |
| nothlit | yes the whole kde suite can take days, all depends on the computer and what you do with it | 12:08 |
| OmegaCenti | and there are o | 12:08 |
| OmegaCenti | 's and hello | 12:08 |
| OmegaCenti | hello is green | 12:09 |
| mnoir | note hello is executable | 12:09 |
| mnoir | color coded! | 12:09 |
| OmegaCenti | I LOVE it. | 12:09 |
| mnoir | type ./hello to run it | 12:09 |
| OmegaCenti | color == eye candy == organizational goodness. | 12:09 |
| OmegaCenti | why not just hello? | 12:09 |
| OmegaCenti | what is ./? | 12:09 |
| OmegaCenti | it said, "Hello, world!" | 12:10 |
| mnoir | the current dir is never on your path per se | 12:10 |
| OmegaCenti | that made no sense. | 12:10 |
| mnoir | the ./ references current dir. try typing just hello | 12:10 |
| OmegaCenti | one sec. | 12:10 |
| OmegaCenti | bash: hello: command not found | 12:10 |
| mnoir | this is an important security thing | 12:10 |
| mnoir | if curr dir was on your exec path, certain exploits could be used | 12:11 |
| OmegaCenti | so I just built my first package... | 12:11 |
| mnoir | yes but not installed | 12:11 |
| OmegaCenti | so I will always type ./ and stop worrrying about typing 2 extra characters. | 12:11 |
| OmegaCenti | ah. | 12:11 |
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| mnoir | you need not install it if you do not want to but i recommend trying and we will use a special method to allow you to remove it easily | 12:12 |
| nothlit | you only need ./ to execute something in your working directory | 12:12 |
| OmegaCenti | okay | 12:12 |
| nothlit | you wouldn't use it normally to execute a program | 12:12 |
| OmegaCenti | lets do it mnoir | 12:12 |
| nothlit | installed programs at last | 12:12 |
| nothlit | least* | 12:12 |
| mnoir | ok cd .. | 12:13 |
| OmegaCenti | i in hello directory | 12:13 |
| mnoir | you need to install a cute utility that ensures you can remove it easilly | 12:13 |
| OmegaCenti | lets do it. | 12:13 |
| mnoir | what the util does is make a real deb pkg so that synaptic will see it | 12:13 |
| nothlit | !checkinstall | 12:14 |
| mnoir | in synaptic, look for checkinstall | 12:14 |
| ubotu | checkinstall is a wrapper to "make install", useful for installing programs you compiled. It will create a .deb package, which will be listed in the APT database and can be uninstalled like other packages. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall - Read the warnings at the top and bottom of that web page, and DO NOT interrupt CheckInstall while it's running! | 12:14 |
| mnoir | noth - you can take over if you like :) | 12:14 |
| mnoir | i have to make dinner anyhow | 12:14 |
| nothlit | if you have to go, i can jump in, but you should keep going ^^ :) | 12:15 |
| OmegaCenti | Well, thankyou mnoir for your patience! I have so many more questions lol :) Thankyou for committing so much tome to me. | 12:15 |
| OmegaCenti | time. | 12:15 |
| mnoir | OmegaCenti: seems i cannot prevent distractions - we can go to a pm - i guess nobody else needs to see this | 12:16 |
| mnoir | your call | 12:16 |
| OmegaCenti | Sure. :) | 12:17 |
| mnoir | did u get the pm? | 12:17 |
| OmegaCenti | yes | 12:19 |
| OmegaCenti | did you receive the reply? | 12:19 |
| mnoir | OmegaCenti: no | 12:20 |
| mnoir | try typing /msg mnoir | 12:20 |
| OmegaCenti | just did. | 12:20 |
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| mnoir | hmm - nothing - well lets stay here :) | 12:21 |
| OmegaCenti | one second | 12:21 |
| OmegaCenti | Im going to attempt to switch to konversation. | 12:21 |
| mnoir | hoboy :) - i will wait | 12:21 |
| OmegaCenti | did you get that | 12:25 |
| mnoir | no :( | 12:25 |
| mnoir | lets just push on. | 12:25 |
| OmegaCenti | sure | 12:25 |
| mnoir | have you installed checkinstall yet? | 12:25 |
| OmegaCenti | no | 12:26 |
| OmegaCenti | should i? | 12:26 |
| mnoir | ok - use synaptic to do so | 12:26 |
| OmegaCenti | sure | 12:26 |
| mnoir | building from source does not usually make a deb package. checkinstall does, thus injecting the package into the apt system | 12:27 |
| OmegaCenti | couldnt find it. | 12:28 |
| mnoir | ahh - it is in universe - need to add a repository | 12:28 |
| mnoir | :) | 12:28 |
| mnoir | new topic :) | 12:29 |
| OmegaCenti | one sec. | 12:29 |
| OmegaCenti | sweet | 12:29 |
| OmegaCenti | lets do it. | 12:29 |
| mnoir | what? | 12:29 |
| mnoir | ok cd /etc/apt | 12:29 |
| OmegaCenti | repositories. | 12:29 |
| mnoir | cd /etc/apt | 12:29 |
| OmegaCenti | I'm there. | 12:29 |
| mnoir | first back up current file. never change any config w/o backup | 12:30 |
| OmegaCenti | Onegai sensei | 12:30 |
| mnoir | sudo cp sources.list sources.whatevermeansbackuptoyou | 12:30 |
| OmegaCenti | Im going to copy that word for word... is that okay? | 12:30 |
| mnoir | when you get really good you can write the backup from the edit session but i never do | 12:31 |
| mnoir | if you like typing, go ahead. i usually use the date or bkp :) | 12:31 |
| OmegaCenti | its backed up | 12:31 |
| mnoir | do you have an editor you like | 12:31 |
| mnoir | ? | 12:31 |
| OmegaCenti | lol if you say vi I am going to attempt to put my face through my door. | 12:32 |
| OmegaCenti | but to answer your question... no. | 12:32 |
| mnoir | that is why i asked | 12:32 |
| mnoir | you prefer visual or text editors | 12:32 |
| mnoir | ? | 12:32 |
| OmegaCenti | not enough experience to choose either way. | 12:33 |
| mnoir | i happen to prefer vi but we will use a visual one instead | 12:33 |
| mnoir | type gksudo gedit sources.list DO NOT PRESS ENTER YET | 12:33 |
| OmegaCenti | if you have enough time to walk me through vi I will give it another try | 12:33 |
| mnoir | no - everybody else will start distracting with their favorite and there are a dozen | 12:34 |
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| mnoir | i do not like the general favorite :) | 12:34 |
| mnoir | did you type that? | 12:34 |
| OmegaCenti | typed. | 12:35 |
| mnoir | ok - gksudo is the gui version of sudo | 12:35 |
| OmegaCenti | okay | 12:35 |
| mnoir | it sets up some things and is recommended for root privs for gui things | 12:35 |
| OmegaCenti | ah. | 12:35 |
| mnoir | gedit is an editor - get used to it - most folks will want to use it with you | 12:36 |
| mnoir | now press return | 12:36 |
| OmegaCenti | okay. | 12:36 |
| mnoir | see how it works? | 12:36 |
| OmegaCenti | GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: | 12:36 |
| OmegaCenti | Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. | 12:36 |
| mnoir | hmm - i dunno why - anybody here know? | 12:37 |
| OmegaCenti | but sources did come up in gedit | 12:37 |
| mnoir | if i do not get an answer quickly, we might have to use vi - this does need fixing for you though :) | 12:38 |
| OmegaCenti | okay. | 12:38 |
| OmegaCenti | so I take it I should close sources. | 12:38 |
| mnoir | does it warn that it is read only? | 12:39 |
| OmegaCenti | no. | 12:39 |
| OmegaCenti | one sec. | 12:39 |
| mnoir | lets try to press on | 12:39 |
| OmegaCenti | omegacenti@ZeNotePad:/etc/apt$ gksudo gedit sources.list | 12:39 |
| OmegaCenti | (gedit:19475): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: | 12:39 |
| OmegaCenti | Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. | 12:39 |
| OmegaCenti | omegacenti@ZeNotePad:/etc/apt$ | 12:39 |
| OmegaCenti | and sources opened. | 12:39 |
| mnoir | i assume file is in nice edit window | 12:39 |
| OmegaCenti | yep | 12:40 |
| mnoir | that may be sloppy program chatter | 12:40 |
| OmegaCenti | then lets continue to use gedit? | 12:40 |
| mnoir | ok - wait a sec | 12:40 |
| mnoir | sorry - i locked up two systems | 12:46 |
| mnoir | look at the comments for the lines to un comment to enable universe | 12:46 |
| OmegaCenti | okay | 12:47 |
| OmegaCenti | so uncomment both universes | 12:47 |
| mnoir | yes - i would - one is for source and the other for binaries | 12:47 |
| OmegaCenti | yep | 12:47 |
| OmegaCenti | okay one sec. | 12:47 |
| mnoir | is synaptic running?? | 12:47 |
| mnoir | close it if it is | 12:47 |
| OmegaCenti | d from geditsave | 12:48 |
| OmegaCenti | see.. that was the result of a badly time tap. | 12:48 |
| mnoir | then write out the file (save it, whatever) | 12:48 |
| OmegaCenti | saved from gedit | 12:49 |
| OmegaCenti | shall we check to see if changed? | 12:49 |
| OmegaCenti | less /etc/apt/sources.list? | 12:49 |
| mnoir | ok - yes | 12:49 |
| mnoir | then run synaptic | 12:49 |
| OmegaCenti | its changed | 12:49 |
| OmegaCenti | running synaptic | 12:49 |
| mnoir | there is a button for reload - click it to reload all package lists - will include some new ones | 12:50 |
| OmegaCenti | okay | 12:50 |
| mnoir | then look for checkinstal | 12:50 |
| mnoir | and installit | 12:50 |
| OmegaCenti | downloading ALOT | 12:50 |
| mnoir | it is pretty efficient after the first time | 12:51 |
| mnoir | done yet? | 12:51 |
| OmegaCenti | one sec. | 12:51 |
| mnoir | ? | 12:52 |
| OmegaCenti | sorry | 12:52 |
| OmegaCenti | yes done | 12:52 |
| OmegaCenti | finding checkinstall | 12:52 |
| mnoir | ok - look for and install checkinstall | 12:53 |
| OmegaCenti | whats a star mean? | 12:53 |
| OmegaCenti | in the little checkbox? | 12:53 |
| mnoir | right click it - it will give you a list | 12:53 |
| OmegaCenti | okay installed. | 12:53 |
| mnoir | ok - cd to the root dir for the package in sandbox | 12:54 |
| OmegaCenti | k one sec. | 12:54 |
| mnoir | checkinstall works like sudo - you feed it the proper install command, preceded by it's parms | 12:54 |
| mnoir | BUT it must run as root so it needs to be in a sudo command | 12:55 |
| OmegaCenti | one sec. | 12:55 |
| mnoir | so the whole thing should be > sudo checkinstall -D make install TYPE BUT DO NOT PRESS ENTER YET | 12:56 |
| OmegaCenti | still getting there | 12:56 |
| OmegaCenti | hold on | 12:56 |
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| OmegaCenti | okay | 12:56 |
| OmegaCenti | I am in the folder | 12:56 |
| mnoir | got the cmd typed? | 12:57 |
| OmegaCenti | not yet | 12:57 |
| OmegaCenti | okay | 12:57 |
| mnoir | now press enter | 12:57 |
| mnoir | it will stop for input | 12:58 |
| OmegaCenti | wants password | 12:58 |
| mnoir | type in your pswd - do not tell it to me ever pls | 12:58 |
| OmegaCenti | LMAO | 12:58 |
| OmegaCenti | no I was hoping to type it in main with my username too :) | 12:58 |
| mnoir | i hang up on folks who do :) | 12:58 |
| OmegaCenti | you wouldnt mind if I follow that with dmzing my router would you? | 12:59 |
| mnoir | ?? | 12:59 |
| mnoir | :) | 12:59 |
| OmegaCenti | demiliterized zone, fowards all ports directly from router to host pc. | 12:59 |
| OmegaCenti | meaning open to the world. | 12:59 |
| OmegaCenti | Okay it is asking me something | 01:00 |
| mnoir | oh - I see - i am double natted behind a hardware firewall here | 01:00 |
| mnoir | yes - let it create the doc-pak | 01:00 |
| OmegaCenti | I am single natted... | 01:00 |
| OmegaCenti | write a description for the package. | 01:00 |
| mnoir | do so | 01:00 |
| OmegaCenti | enter a number... ? | 01:01 |
| mnoir | no - ler it go | 01:01 |
| mnoir | let* | 01:01 |
| OmegaCenti | or press enter to con... okay doing so. | 01:01 |
| mnoir | probably fail - did you close synaptic? | 01:01 |
| OmegaCenti | thar she blows! | 01:01 |
| OmegaCenti | it actually succeeded without me closing the package | 01:02 |
| OmegaCenti | closing synaptics i mean | 01:02 |
| mnoir | doesnt say failed? | 01:02 |
| OmegaCenti | nope. | 01:02 |
| mnoir | ok... | 01:02 |
| mnoir | type cd | 01:02 |
| mnoir | to get back to home | 01:02 |
| OmegaCenti | and then? | 01:02 |
| OmegaCenti | okay | 01:02 |
| mnoir | type man hello | 01:02 |
| mnoir | type hello ( no ./) | 01:02 |
| OmegaCenti | omegacenti@ZeNotePad:~$ man hello | 01:03 |
| OmegaCenti | No manual entry for hello | 01:03 |
| OmegaCenti | See 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available. | 01:03 |
| OmegaCenti | omegacenti@ZeNotePad:~$ | 01:03 |
| OmegaCenti | should I try again? | 01:03 |
| mnoir | hmm - something did not work right - try hello | 01:03 |
| OmegaCenti | okay | 01:03 |
| mnoir | man hello | 01:03 |
| OmegaCenti | it worked | 01:03 |
| OmegaCenti | the hello world bit | 01:04 |
| mnoir | but man no? | 01:04 |
| OmegaCenti | ill try man hello | 01:04 |
| OmegaCenti | no entry | 01:04 |
| OmegaCenti | maybe it didnt no it failed. | 01:04 |
| OmegaCenti | know | 01:04 |
| OmegaCenti | should i try changelist install again? | 01:05 |
| mnoir | ok - i do need to run. go to synaptic and find, remove the pkg - it will be in custom (button at the bottom left | 01:05 |
| OmegaCenti | thankyou! | 01:05 |
| mnoir | then close synaptic and redo the install using checkinstall | 01:05 |
| OmegaCenti | okay | 01:05 |
| mnoir | i will be back later or see you tomorrow | 01:05 |
| mnoir | sorry i need to eat :) | 01:05 |
| OmegaCenti | I will still be on :) | 01:06 |
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| crazytales | hi nalioth | 11:34 |
| nalioth | crazytales: did you /msg the bot? | 11:34 |
| crazytales | yes. | 11:34 |
| nalioth | did you visit the site? | 11:34 |
| crazytales | in lynx | 11:34 |
| crazytales | it refers to using synaptic | 11:35 |
| crazytales | i cannot get anything but textmode | 11:35 |
| nalioth | did you run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" like it said? | 11:35 |
| nalioth | you did not read enough | 11:35 |
| crazytales | didn't say that, but I'll try | 11:35 |
| crazytales | I was reading the binary driver howto | 11:36 |
| nalioth | that is NOT /msg ubotu fixres | 11:36 |
| crazytales | ah, I was referred to the binary driver howto in #ubuntu | 11:36 |
| crazytales | 128MB is 131072KB, right? | 11:37 |
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| crazytales | oh, autodetects | 11:37 |
| nalioth | you can answer all the questions with their defaults UNTIL you get to the driver part | 11:38 |
| nalioth | then choose "vesa" | 11:38 |
| crazytales | bb in 30 | 11:39 |
| crazytales | dinner | 11:39 |
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| crazytales | back | 11:54 |
| crazytales | select vesa X server driver? | 11:56 |
| crazytales | I have nv | 11:56 |
| crazytales | nalioth : ping | 11:57 |
| crazytales | and that | 11:58 |
| crazytales | is like the first question | 11:58 |
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| crazytales | hi AndrewB | 11:59 |
| AndrewB | lo | 11:59 |
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| AndrewB | Cool. Me too. heh | 12:00 |
| AndrewB | What is the problem..see if i have a quick fix | 12:00 |
| crazytales | Textmode or through a terminal emulator? | 12:00 |
| AndrewB | well I ssh into my server and re-attach a screen session running irssi | 12:01 |
| crazytales | I'm doing it textmode locally. I have a video driver prob. | 12:01 |
| crazytales | On its way to be solved. I think. | 12:01 |
| AndrewB | cool | 12:02 |
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| nalioth | crazytales: hi | 12:03 |
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