[12:04] <OmegaCenti> I dont see o files.
[12:04] <OmegaCenti> and I dont see hello with no suffix.
[12:04] <OmegaCenti> one sec pasting.
[12:04] <mnoir> type pwd and paste result here
[12:05] <mnoir> pwd=present working directory
[12:05] <OmegaCenti> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2349/
[12:05] <nothlit> OmegaCenti, did you run make? i might have missed it but i think you only ran ./configure
[12:05] <OmegaCenti> k
[12:05] <OmegaCenti> no i didnt run make
[12:05] <mnoir> oh - I see
[12:05] <OmegaCenti> lol that could be it :)
[12:05] <mnoir> :)
[12:06] <mnoir> cd ..   and then make
[12:06] <mnoir> !
[12:06] <OmegaCenti> one sec i will cd .. and type make
[12:06] <OmegaCenti> omegacenti@ZeNotePad:~/sandbox/hello-2.1.1/src$ ls -latr
[12:06] <OmegaCenti> total 132
[12:06] <OmegaCenti> -rw-r--r--  1 omegacenti omegacenti   138 2001-06-01 23:39 version.c
[12:06] <OmegaCenti> -rw-r--r--  1 omegacenti omegacenti   862 2001-06-01 23:39 system.h
[12:06] <OmegaCenti> -rw-r--r--  1 omegacenti omegacenti  1354 2002-05-22 12:10 Makefile.am
[12:06] <OmegaCenti> -rw-r--r--  1 omegacenti omegacenti  6393 2002-05-22 12:19 getopt.h
[12:06] <OmegaCenti> -rw-r--r--  1 omegacenti omegacenti 30530 2002-05-22 12:19 getopt.c
[12:06] <OmegaCenti> -rw-r--r--  1 omegacenti omegacenti  4466 2002-05-22 12:19 getopt1.c
[12:06] <OmegaCenti> -rw-r--r--  1 omegacenti omegacenti 14387 2002-05-22 12:19 alloca.c
[12:06] <OmegaCenti> -rw-r--r--  1 omegacenti omegacenti  7163 2002-05-22 12:23 ChangeLog
[12:06] <OmegaCenti> -rw-r--r--  1 omegacenti omegacenti 10416 2002-06-09 00:29 Makefile.in
[12:06] <OmegaCenti> -rw-r--r--  1 omegacenti omegacenti  8308 2007-01-20 15:48 hello.c
[12:06] <OmegaCenti> -rw-r--r--  1 omegacenti omegacenti 10097 2007-01-20 16:45 Makefile
[12:06] <OmegaCenti> drwxr-xr-x  2 omegacenti omegacenti  4096 2007-01-20 16:45 .deps
[12:06] <OmegaCenti> drwxr-xr-x 11 omegacenti omegacenti  4096 2007-01-20 16:45 ..
[12:06] <OmegaCenti> drwxr-xr-x  3 omegacenti omegacenti  4096 2007-01-20 16:45 .
[12:06] <OmegaCenti> omegacenti@ZeNotePad:~/sandbox/hello-2.1.1/src$
[12:06] <OmegaCenti> no?
[12:06] <OmegaCenti> WOAH
[12:06] <OmegaCenti> stupid tap pad!!!!
[12:06] <mnoir> uuh - bad manners to flood here...
[12:06] <OmegaCenti> am I disconnected because of flood? if not respond please.
[12:06] <nothlit> nope not d/c
[12:06] <OmegaCenti> I realy and truly did not mean to
[12:07] <mnoir> i am here and you are too :)
[12:07] <nothlit> you only get d/c if you haven't registered your nick
[12:07] <OmegaCenti> my tap pad typed it right before I hit enter.
[12:07] <mnoir> ok - anyway - do the make in the top dir for the package
[12:07] <OmegaCenti> k
[12:07] <mnoir> it will be quick as this is a very small pkg
[12:07] <OmegaCenti> it is made
[12:08] <mnoir> and will tell you it is over
[12:08] <OmegaCenti> kde can take days right?
[12:08] <mnoir> now ls -latr
[12:08] <OmegaCenti> src is last file :)
[12:08] <mnoir> :)  - not soo long - i can build a whole os in 45 min
[12:08] <mnoir> directory
[12:08] <mnoir> cd to it and ls
[12:08] <OmegaCenti> did it
[12:08] <nothlit> yes the whole kde suite can take days, all depends on the computer and what you do with it
[12:08] <OmegaCenti> and there are o
[12:08] <OmegaCenti> 's and hello
[12:09] <OmegaCenti> hello is green
[12:09] <mnoir> note hello is executable
[12:09] <mnoir> color coded!
[12:09] <OmegaCenti> I LOVE it.
[12:09] <mnoir> type ./hello  to run it
[12:09] <OmegaCenti> color == eye candy == organizational goodness.
[12:09] <OmegaCenti> why not just hello?
[12:09] <OmegaCenti> what is ./?
[12:10] <OmegaCenti> it said, "Hello, world!"
[12:10] <mnoir> the current dir is never on your path per se
[12:10] <OmegaCenti> that made no sense.
[12:10] <mnoir> the ./ references current dir.  try typing just hello
[12:10] <OmegaCenti> one sec.
[12:10] <OmegaCenti> bash: hello: command not found
[12:10] <mnoir> this is an important security thing
[12:11] <mnoir> if curr dir was on your exec path, certain exploits could be used
[12:11] <OmegaCenti> so I just built my first package...
[12:11] <mnoir> yes but not installed
[12:11] <OmegaCenti> so I will always type ./ and stop worrrying about typing 2 extra characters.
[12:11] <OmegaCenti> ah.
[12:12] <mnoir> you need not install it if you do not want to but i recommend trying and we will use a special method to allow you to remove it easily
[12:12] <nothlit> you only need ./ to execute something in your working directory
[12:12] <OmegaCenti> okay
[12:12] <nothlit> you wouldn't use it normally to execute a program
[12:12] <OmegaCenti> lets do it mnoir
[12:12] <nothlit> installed programs at last
[12:12] <nothlit> least*
[12:13] <mnoir> ok cd ..
[12:13] <OmegaCenti> i in hello directory
[12:13] <mnoir> you need to install a cute utility that ensures you can remove it easilly
[12:13] <OmegaCenti> lets do it.
[12:13] <mnoir> what the util does is make a real deb pkg so that synaptic will see it
[12:14] <nothlit> !checkinstall
[12:14] <mnoir> in synaptic, look for checkinstall
[12:14] <ubotu> checkinstall is a wrapper to "make install", useful for installing programs you compiled. It will create a .deb package, which will be listed in the APT database and can be uninstalled like other packages. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall - Read the warnings at the top and bottom of that web page, and DO NOT interrupt CheckInstall while it's running!
[12:14] <mnoir> noth - you can take over if you like :)
[12:14] <mnoir> i have to make dinner anyhow
[12:15] <nothlit> if you have to go, i can jump in, but you should keep going ^^ :)
[12:15] <OmegaCenti> Well, thankyou mnoir for your patience! I have so many more questions lol :) Thankyou for committing so much tome to me.
[12:15] <OmegaCenti> time.
[12:16] <mnoir> OmegaCenti: seems i cannot prevent distractions - we can go to a pm - i guess nobody else needs to see this
[12:16] <mnoir> your call
[12:17] <OmegaCenti> Sure. :)
[12:17] <mnoir> did u get the pm?
[12:19] <OmegaCenti> yes
[12:19] <OmegaCenti> did you receive the reply?
[12:20] <mnoir> OmegaCenti: no
[12:20] <mnoir> try typing /msg mnoir
[12:20] <OmegaCenti> just did.
[12:21] <mnoir> hmm - nothing - well lets stay here :)
[12:21] <OmegaCenti> one second
[12:21] <OmegaCenti> Im going to attempt to switch to konversation.
[12:21] <mnoir> hoboy :) - i will wait
[12:25] <OmegaCenti> did you get that
[12:25] <mnoir> no :(
[12:25] <mnoir> lets just push on.
[12:25] <OmegaCenti> sure
[12:25] <mnoir> have you installed checkinstall yet?
[12:26] <OmegaCenti> no
[12:26] <OmegaCenti> should i?
[12:26] <mnoir> ok - use synaptic to do so
[12:26] <OmegaCenti> sure
[12:27] <mnoir> building from source does not usually make a deb package.  checkinstall does, thus injecting the package into the apt system
[12:28] <OmegaCenti> couldnt find it.
[12:28] <mnoir> ahh - it is in universe - need to add a repository
[12:28] <mnoir> :)
[12:29] <mnoir> new topic :)
[12:29] <OmegaCenti> one sec.
[12:29] <OmegaCenti> sweet
[12:29] <OmegaCenti> lets do it.
[12:29] <mnoir> what?
[12:29] <mnoir> ok cd /etc/apt
[12:29] <OmegaCenti> repositories.
[12:29] <mnoir> cd /etc/apt
[12:29] <OmegaCenti> I'm there.
[12:30] <mnoir> first back up current file.  never change any config w/o backup
[12:30] <OmegaCenti> Onegai sensei
[12:30] <mnoir> sudo cp sources.list sources.whatevermeansbackuptoyou
[12:30] <OmegaCenti> Im going to copy that word for word... is that okay?
[12:31] <mnoir> when you get really good you can write the backup from the edit session but i never do
[12:31] <mnoir> if you like typing, go ahead.  i usually use the date or bkp   :)
[12:31] <OmegaCenti> its backed up
[12:31] <mnoir> do you have an editor you like
[12:31] <mnoir> ?
[12:32] <OmegaCenti> lol if you say vi I am going to attempt to put my face through my door.
[12:32] <OmegaCenti> but to answer your question... no.
[12:32] <mnoir> that is why i asked
[12:32] <mnoir> you prefer visual or text editors
[12:32] <mnoir> ?
[12:33] <OmegaCenti> not enough experience to choose either way.
[12:33] <mnoir> i happen to prefer vi but we will use a visual one instead
[12:33] <mnoir> type gksudo gedit sources.list   DO NOT PRESS ENTER YET
[12:33] <OmegaCenti> if you have enough time to walk me through vi I will give it another try
[12:34] <mnoir> no - everybody else will start distracting with their favorite and there are a dozen
[12:34] <mnoir> i do not like the general favorite :)
[12:34] <mnoir> did you type that?
[12:35] <OmegaCenti> typed.
[12:35] <mnoir> ok - gksudo is the gui version of sudo
[12:35] <OmegaCenti> okay
[12:35] <mnoir> it sets up some things and is recommended for root privs for gui things
[12:35] <OmegaCenti> ah.
[12:36] <mnoir> gedit is an editor - get used to it - most folks will want to use it with you
[12:36] <mnoir> now press return
[12:36] <OmegaCenti> okay.
[12:36] <mnoir> see how it works?
[12:36] <OmegaCenti> GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[12:36] <OmegaCenti> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[12:37] <mnoir> hmm - i dunno why - anybody here know?
[12:37] <OmegaCenti> but sources did come up in gedit
[12:38] <mnoir> if i do not get an answer quickly, we might have to use vi - this does need fixing for you though :)
[12:38] <OmegaCenti> okay.
[12:38] <OmegaCenti> so I take it I should close sources.
[12:39] <mnoir> does it warn that it is read only?
[12:39] <OmegaCenti> no.
[12:39] <OmegaCenti> one sec.
[12:39] <mnoir> lets try to press on
[12:39] <OmegaCenti> omegacenti@ZeNotePad:/etc/apt$ gksudo gedit sources.list
[12:39] <OmegaCenti> (gedit:19475): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[12:39] <OmegaCenti> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[12:39] <OmegaCenti> omegacenti@ZeNotePad:/etc/apt$
[12:39] <OmegaCenti> and sources opened.
[12:39] <mnoir> i assume file is in nice edit window
[12:40] <OmegaCenti> yep
[12:40] <mnoir> that may be sloppy program chatter
[12:40] <OmegaCenti> then lets continue to use gedit?
[12:40] <mnoir> ok - wait a sec
[12:46] <mnoir> sorry - i locked up two systems
[12:46] <mnoir> look at the comments for the lines to un comment to enable universe
[12:47] <OmegaCenti> okay
[12:47] <OmegaCenti> so uncomment both universes
[12:47] <mnoir> yes - i would - one is for source and the other for binaries
[12:47] <OmegaCenti> yep
[12:47] <OmegaCenti> okay one sec.
[12:47] <mnoir> is synaptic running??
[12:47] <mnoir> close it if it is
[12:48] <OmegaCenti>  d from geditsave
[12:48] <OmegaCenti> see.. that was the result of a badly time tap.
[12:48] <mnoir> then write out the file (save it, whatever)
[12:49] <OmegaCenti> saved from gedit
[12:49] <OmegaCenti> shall we check to see if changed?
[12:49] <OmegaCenti> less /etc/apt/sources.list?
[12:49] <mnoir> ok - yes
[12:49] <mnoir> then run synaptic
[12:49] <OmegaCenti> its changed
[12:49] <OmegaCenti> running synaptic
[12:50] <mnoir> there is a button for reload - click it to reload all package lists - will include some new ones
[12:50] <OmegaCenti> okay
[12:50] <mnoir> then look for checkinstal
[12:50] <mnoir> and installit
[12:50] <OmegaCenti> downloading ALOT
[12:51] <mnoir> it is pretty efficient after the first time
[12:51] <mnoir> done yet?
[12:51] <OmegaCenti> one sec.
[12:52] <mnoir> ?
[12:52] <OmegaCenti> sorry
[12:52] <OmegaCenti> yes done
[12:52] <OmegaCenti> finding checkinstall
[12:53] <mnoir> ok - look for and install checkinstall
[12:53] <OmegaCenti> whats a star mean?
[12:53] <OmegaCenti> in the little checkbox?
[12:53] <mnoir> right click it - it will give you a list
[12:53] <OmegaCenti> okay installed.
[12:54] <mnoir> ok - cd to the root dir for the package in sandbox
[12:54] <OmegaCenti> k one sec.
[12:54] <mnoir> checkinstall works like sudo - you feed it the proper install command, preceded by it's parms
[12:55] <mnoir> BUT it must run as root so it needs to be in a sudo command
[12:55] <OmegaCenti> one sec.
[12:56] <mnoir> so the whole thing should be > sudo checkinstall -D make install  TYPE BUT DO NOT PRESS ENTER YET
[12:56] <OmegaCenti> still getting there
[12:56] <OmegaCenti> hold on
[12:56] <OmegaCenti> okay
[12:56] <OmegaCenti> I am in the folder
[12:57] <mnoir> got the cmd  typed?
[12:57] <OmegaCenti> not yet
[12:57] <OmegaCenti> okay
[12:57] <mnoir> now press enter
[12:58] <mnoir> it will stop for input
[12:58] <OmegaCenti> wants password
[12:58] <mnoir> type in your pswd - do not tell it to me ever pls
[12:58] <OmegaCenti> LMAO
[12:58] <OmegaCenti> no I was hoping to type it in main with my username too :)
[12:58] <mnoir> i hang up on folks who do :)
[12:59] <OmegaCenti> you wouldnt mind if I follow that with dmzing my router would you?
[12:59] <mnoir> ??
[12:59] <mnoir> :)
[12:59] <OmegaCenti> demiliterized zone, fowards all ports directly from router to host pc.
[12:59] <OmegaCenti> meaning open to the world.
[01:00] <OmegaCenti> Okay it is asking me something
[01:00] <mnoir> oh - I see - i am double natted behind a hardware firewall here
[01:00] <mnoir> yes - let it create the doc-pak
[01:00] <OmegaCenti> I am single natted...
[01:00] <OmegaCenti> write a description for the package.
[01:00] <mnoir> do so
[01:01] <OmegaCenti> enter a number... ?
[01:01] <mnoir> no - ler it go
[01:01] <mnoir> let*
[01:01] <OmegaCenti> or press enter to con... okay doing so.
[01:01] <mnoir> probably fail - did you close synaptic?
[01:01] <OmegaCenti> thar she blows!
[01:02] <OmegaCenti> it actually succeeded without me closing the package
[01:02] <OmegaCenti> closing synaptics i mean
[01:02] <mnoir> doesnt say failed?
[01:02] <OmegaCenti> nope.
[01:02] <mnoir> ok...
[01:02] <mnoir> type cd
[01:02] <mnoir> to get back to home
[01:02] <OmegaCenti> and then?
[01:02] <OmegaCenti> okay
[01:02] <mnoir> type man hello
[01:02] <mnoir> type hello ( no ./)
[01:03] <OmegaCenti> omegacenti@ZeNotePad:~$ man hello
[01:03] <OmegaCenti> No manual entry for hello
[01:03] <OmegaCenti> See 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available.
[01:03] <OmegaCenti> omegacenti@ZeNotePad:~$
[01:03] <OmegaCenti> should I try again?
[01:03] <mnoir> hmm - something did not work right - try hello
[01:03] <OmegaCenti> okay
[01:03] <mnoir> man hello
[01:03] <OmegaCenti> it worked
[01:04] <OmegaCenti> the hello world bit
[01:04] <mnoir> but man no?
[01:04] <OmegaCenti> ill try man hello
[01:04] <OmegaCenti> no entry
[01:04] <OmegaCenti> maybe it didnt no it failed.
[01:04] <OmegaCenti> know
[01:05] <OmegaCenti> should i try changelist install again?
[01:05] <mnoir> ok - i do need to run.  go to synaptic and find, remove the pkg - it will be in custom (button at the bottom left
[01:05] <OmegaCenti> thankyou!
[01:05] <mnoir> then close synaptic and redo the install using checkinstall
[01:05] <OmegaCenti> okay
[01:05] <mnoir> i will be back later or see you tomorrow
[01:05] <mnoir> sorry i need to eat :)
[01:06] <OmegaCenti> I will still be on :)
[11:34] <crazytales> hi nalioth
[11:34] <nalioth> crazytales: did you /msg the bot?
[11:34] <crazytales> yes.
[11:34] <nalioth> did you visit the site?
[11:34] <crazytales> in lynx
[11:35] <crazytales> it refers to using synaptic
[11:35] <crazytales> i cannot get anything but textmode
[11:35] <nalioth> did you run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" like it said?
[11:35] <nalioth> you did not read enough
[11:35] <crazytales> didn't say that, but I'll try
[11:36] <crazytales> I was reading the binary driver howto
[11:36] <nalioth> that is NOT /msg ubotu fixres
[11:36] <crazytales> ah, I was referred to the binary driver howto in #ubuntu
[11:37] <crazytales> 128MB is 131072KB, right?
[11:37] <crazytales> oh, autodetects
[11:38] <nalioth> you can answer all the questions with their defaults UNTIL you get to the driver part
[11:38] <nalioth> then choose "vesa"
[11:39] <crazytales> bb in 30
[11:39] <crazytales> dinner
[11:54] <crazytales> back
[11:56] <crazytales> select vesa X server driver?
[11:56] <crazytales> I have nv
[11:57] <crazytales> nalioth : ping
[11:58] <crazytales> and that
[11:58] <crazytales> is like the first question
[11:59] <crazytales> hi AndrewB
[11:59] <AndrewB> lo
[12:00] <AndrewB> Cool. Me too. heh
[12:00] <AndrewB> What is the problem..see if i have a quick fix
[12:00] <crazytales> Textmode or through a terminal emulator?
[12:01] <AndrewB> well I ssh into my server and re-attach a screen session running irssi
[12:01] <crazytales> I'm doing it textmode locally. I have a video driver prob.
[12:01] <crazytales> On its way to be solved. I think.
[12:02] <AndrewB> cool
[12:03] <nalioth> crazytales: hi