[12:28] <Pekke> hmm, that may be useful hint
[12:39] <arsenip> anyone advise on installation of wireless drivers for my tx1hp (vaio)? not sure where to start :x
[12:43] <TheSheep> !wifi
[12:43] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:46] <pidgas> any sound gurus here?
[12:47] <pidgas> amarok works, movies work, etc.  No sounds on startup OR from Gaim.
[12:48] <pidgas> any thoughts appreciated
[12:52] <dosnlinu1> I'm having trouble burning an iso with xfburn
[12:53] <Commander-Crowe> dosnlinu1, use something else, like Kb3
[12:53] <dosnlinu1> xfburn won't work then?
[12:55] <Commander-Crowe> or that
[12:55] <dosnlinu1> didn't feel like installing qt ;)
[12:57] <dosnlinu1> gnomebaker doesn't have all the nice soundfx :(
[12:58] <eteran> dosnlinu1, how about xcdroast?
[12:58] <dosnlinu1> never tried it
[12:59] <dosnlinu1> but worth a shot next time I need to burn an ISO
[12:59] <eteran> I neither I've to admit, but alot of people recommend it, so it cant be that bad
[01:00] <dosnlinu1> hmm, xcdroast put an entry in multimedia
[01:00] <dosnlinu1> xfburn/gnomebaker put one in accessories
[01:01] <Pekke> is there some application that i can use my webcam to videochat with? Kopete didn't seem to do anything else than jsut give a blank blue screen....
[01:03] <dosnlinu1> skype?
[01:03] <dosnlinu1> I'm not sure if their video version has been released for *nix yet though
[01:03] <Pekke> is the installing really hard?
[01:04] <dosnlinu1> no, just click on the debian package link on the download page
[01:04] <Pekke> skype might too have an issue with the cam / drivers...
[01:04] <Pekke> ok, i'll try
[01:12] <Jester45> anyone here know how ot combine xvid avi's? or mpeg2?
[03:44] <gunny01> this is my problem. I have a printer which is connected to a WinXp compter on our home network which i want to connect to with my xubuntu box. can someone point me to a tutorial or something similar for setting up such a system?
[04:01] <Owner_> hello, can please someone help me with my screen resolution?
[04:03] <nighthawk02> Hi, can someone suggest which power manager to use (other than gnome-power-manager) ?
[04:04] <gunny01> Owner_: Aplications -> Settings -> Display settings
[04:20] <cellofellow> hi
[04:24] <somerville32> !samba | gunny01
[04:24] <ubotu> gunny01: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[04:58] <bur[n] er> what do Xfce folk out there use for their vnc server?  I've been using x11vnc, but I'm curious if there are any gtk things with interactivity like vino... or if vino could be used in xfce?
[05:04] <Jester45> are you using ubuntu (GNOME)?
[05:04] <Jester45> anything that works with ubuntu works with xubuntu
[05:05] <somerville32> (for the most part)
[05:05] <somerville32> hehe
[05:05] <Jester45> is it somthing special?
[05:06] <bur[n] er> heh, I think so.  I'm not sure how vino works exactly, but my understanding is very tightly with gnome
[05:24] <pidgas> hi everyone!
[05:25] <pidgas> I'm using Xfce 4.3.99.2 and would like to get rid of the Home, File System, and Trash icons while still allowing Launcher/File Icons...can it be done?
[05:26] <pidgas> On the desktop that is
[05:26] <pidgas> I'm not used to this all or nothing stuff with Linux
[05:29] <somerville32> Yes
[05:29] <somerville32> Infact, it is by default in Xubuntu
[05:29] <pidgas> oh?
[05:29] <pidgas> i'm using xubuntu
[05:30] <pidgas> well, i backed into it
[05:30] <somerville32> Did you use the installer from xfce.org?
[05:30] <pidgas> nope
[05:31] <pidgas> started with ubuntu server, b/c I just wanted a command line installation (didn't know about the alternate disks when I started)
[05:31] <pidgas> replaced the kernel, and added the packages I wanted
[05:31] <pidgas> using apt-get
[05:31] <pidgas> then synaptic
[05:32] <pidgas> I didn't use the xubuntu-desktop package b/c I didn't want Abiword, Gnumeric, Orage, etc
[05:32] <pidgas> I did a dist-upgrade recently to Feisty Fawn, and Xfce 4.3.99.2 was installed.  And up popped these desktop icons I can't seem to get rid of
[05:38] <frankabel> can I here ask something about Terminal program?
[05:39] <somerville32> frankabel, sure :)
[05:42] <frankabel> in edit->preference->shortcuts menu of program "Teminal" I change the "previous tab" shortcut to "<Shift><Control><n>" but don't work
[05:43] <frankabel> anybody have tested that shortcut?
[05:45] <frankabel> is that a bug?
[05:49] <gunny02> when i open abiword, the spell checker doesn't pick up (obvious) spelling errors, even though i have enabled it and everything. It's like i've spelt everything correctly, but i havent, and it's quite annoying. any help?
[05:57] <Jester45> what language
[05:57] <Jester45> you might not have the right plugin
[05:57] <Jester45> thats my guess
[05:59] <gunny02> us english
[05:59] <frankabel> sorry the typo... with "Teminal" I menan "Terminal" :)
[05:59] <somerville32> Hi Adam
[06:00] <maxamillion> somerville32: hello
[06:00] <Jester45> gunny02: ask maxamillion
[06:00] <gunny02> maxamillion: when i open abiword, the spell checker doesn't pick up (obvious) spelling errors, even though i have enabled it and everything. It's like i've spelt everything correctly, but i havent, and it's quite annoying. any help?
[06:01] <maxamillion> gunny02: uhmmm... lemme test something with it on my machine
[06:02] <maxamillion> gunny02: no clue ... it seems to work for me, and this is a new install (roughly a week old) and that was the first time i used abiword on this laptop ... what version of xubuntu are you running?
[06:03] <Jester45> gunny02: what ric client are you on
[06:03] <Jester45> irc*
[06:04] <gunny02> maxamillion: 6.10, new install also.
[06:06] <gunny02> Jester45:gaim
[06:06] <cryosphere> so I've been trying to get xubuntu to get onlin e
[06:06] <cryosphere> for the last 12 hours, if you htink you want to try helping look at http://pastebin.com/864042
[06:06] <Jester45> gunny02: do word get spell checked in that?
[06:07] <gunny02> what, gaim?
[06:07] <gunny02> don't think so
[06:09] <Jester45> well somthing is wrong with your spell checker bnecuase gaim shouold spellcheck
[06:10] <Jester45> cryosphere: do youhave DHCP?
[06:10] <cryosphere> yes - if you look toward the end of the pastebin
[06:11] <cryosphere> but xubuntu seems to disagree
[06:11] <Jester45> thats what i was looking at
[06:12] <gunny01> hello
[06:12] <gunny01> power outage
[06:13] <gunny01> any help with my abiword problem?
[06:13] <cryosphere> Jester - additionally when I'm windows I can verify that all my network setting are set to DHCP
[06:13] <cryosphere> and I always used DHCP with linux before, and the router didnt change
[06:15] <Jester45> gunny01 somthing is worng with your spellchecker gaim should check
[06:25] <pidgas> anyone here know how to remove the Home, File System, and Trash icons from the xfce desktop?
[06:26] <frankabel> can anybody test if the "Previous Tab" shortcut of the Terminal program work fine?
[06:35] <psykidellic> hi
[06:36] <psykidellic> http://support.3com.com/infodeli/tools/nic/linuxdownload.htm
[06:37] <psykidellic> i need driver fpr 3c95x module for my xubuntu
[06:37] <psykidellic> but the link dosnt work
[06:37] <pidgas> 3c95x ? really?
[06:37] <psykidellic> xubuntu is not detecting my network card so any idea how can I get my network card running?
[06:37] <psykidellic> well thats what my prof from whom i got the computer asked me to do
[06:37] <pidgas> hmmm
[06:37] <gunny01> wired/wireless?
[06:38] <pidgas> that's a wired ethernet NIC
[06:38] <pidgas> I think
[06:38] <psykidellic> wired
[06:38] <psykidellic> 3com ethernet card
[06:38] <pidgas> I think there's a module in the kernel that supports it
[06:38] <pidgas> what kernel are you running?
[06:38] <gunny01> but you'd have to recomplie =-O
[06:38] <psykidellic> i just have a plain vanilla CLI system installed.....
[06:38] <psykidellic> hold on
[06:39] <psykidellic> i will tell you the kernel
[06:39] <pidgas> how about lsmod | grep 3c95
[06:39] <psykidellic> 2.6.17-20
[06:39] <psykidellic> xubuntu downloaded yesterday
[06:40] <pidgas> yeah, ok
[06:40] <psykidellic> no listing
[06:40] <gunny01> normally wired cards are pretty hunky dory
[06:40] <pidgas> is 3c95x listed in lsmod?
[06:40] <psykidellic> nothing came
[06:40] <psykidellic> when i do lsmod | greo 3c95
[06:40] <pidgas> grep?
[06:40] <psykidellic> grep sorry
[06:40] <gunny01> grep, not greo
[06:40] <psykidellic> yeah...grep
[06:41] <pidgas> ok
[06:41] <pidgas> well, I can think of two things to try
[06:41] <psykidellic> hmmm...
[06:41] <pidgas> first, you can try modprobe 3c95x
[06:41] <psykidellic> nothibf returns
[06:41] <psykidellic> i tried that
[06:41] <pidgas> alright, fair enough
[06:42] <psykidellic> sorry
[06:42] <pidgas> after that I'd install the generic kernel
[06:42] <psykidellic> i was trying 3c95x
[06:42] <psykidellic> it is 3c59x
[06:42] <gunny01> ah... grep shjpw anything
[06:42] <gunny01> *show
[06:42] <psykidellic> lsmod | grep 3c59x
[06:42] <psykidellic> is shown
[06:42] <gunny01> goofy!
[06:42] <pidgas> that's weird
[06:42] <gunny01> *goody
[06:43] <psykidellic> two files
[06:43] <psykidellic> 3x59x
[06:43] <psykidellic> mii
[06:43] <pidgas> are you running 6.06?
[06:43] <pidgas> 6.10?
[06:43] <pidgas> edgy?
[06:43] <psykidellic> 6.10
[06:44] <pidgas> well, if I were you i'd install the generic kernel and reboot
[06:44] <pidgas> sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic
[06:44] <pidgas> assuming that it's not already installed
[06:44] <pidgas> i think they're up to the 2.6.17 kernel now
[06:44] <psykidellic> generic kernel?
[06:44] <psykidellic> i installed that itself....
[06:45] <psykidellic> thru text mode install
[06:45] <psykidellic> now since my network is not installed
[06:45] <psykidellic> i cant get the internet running
[06:45] <psykidellic> uname -a
[06:45] <psykidellic> shows i am having 2
[06:45] <psykidellic> 2.6.17
[06:45] <pidgas> how do you know it's the card driver?
[06:45] <psykidellic> i dont know.......
[06:45] <pidgas> sorry, i misread what you wrote earlier
[06:46] <psykidellic> i just know which kernel is installed
[06:46] <psykidellic> its 2.6.17-10 generic
[06:46] <pidgas> how many interfaces are coming up with ifconfig?
[06:46] <psykidellic> 1
[06:46] <psykidellic> loopback
[06:47] <pidgas> what about /etc/network/interfaces?
[06:47] <psykidellic> hold on
[06:48] <psykidellic> 2 lines
[06:48] <psykidellic> auto lo
[06:48] <psykidellic> iface lo inet loopback
[06:48] <psykidellic> i think thats the problem?
[06:48] <psykidellic> its not lloking for eth0 or its not loaded
[06:49] <pidgas> what about dmesg?  any stuff about the card?
[06:49] <pidgas> eth0 isn't loading
[06:49] <pidgas> for whatever reason
[06:49] <pidgas> google search for 3c59x and ubuntu shows a bunch of results about the module kernel being broken
[06:51] <psykidellic> hmmm
[06:51] <psykidellic> but what should i search for in dmesg?
[06:56] <frankabel> how I add spelling check to the gaim?
[07:02] <pidgas> sorry, had to disappear for a sec
[07:02] <psykidellic> no problem
[07:02] <pidgas> try searching for eth0
[07:02] <pidgas> i dunno
[07:02] <psykidellic> nothing
[07:02] <psykidellic> grep eth is showing up nothing
[07:03] <psykidellic> now if 3c95x module is broken,....whats the alternative?
[07:03] <psykidellic> change the card?
[07:03] <pidgas> yeah
[07:03] <pidgas> you can buy cheap cards lotsa places
[07:03] <pidgas> where are you?
[07:03] <psykidellic> iowa city....
[07:03] <psykidellic> i can do that
[07:03] <pidgas> no shit?!!!
[07:03] <pidgas> iowa city?
[07:03] <psykidellic> yeah
[07:03] <pidgas> wow
[07:03] <psykidellic> why?
[07:04] <pidgas> on irc you find people from all over the world
[07:04] <psykidellic> but then i have to wait for couple of days...i am a student in the university and  i dont have a car :)
[07:04] <psykidellic> where are you from?
[07:04] <pidgas> i've been talking to people from germany, etc all night tonight
[07:04] <psykidellic> hahahahahaa
[07:04] <pidgas> but I went to med school and did my residency at Iowa
[07:05] <pidgas> I lived on Benton then Teeters Ct (off Highway 1 near Wig and Pen)
[07:05] <psykidellic> i know benton
[07:06] <psykidellic> i stay in melrose
[07:06] <pidgas> yeah, near the top of the hill there is Carriage Hill apartments, I lived there
[07:06] <pidgas> melrose ct?
[07:06] <pidgas> or just melrose
[07:07] <pidgas> so you're on the west side
[07:07] <pidgas> anywhere near the hospital?
[07:07] <pidgas> or further down?
[07:07] <psykidellic> down
[07:07] <psykidellic> lot of my frnds live in carriage hill
[07:08] <pidgas> I liked it
[07:08] <pidgas> ahh...Iowa City
[07:08] <psykidellic> i live near hawkeye apartments
[07:08] <psykidellic> near the field house
[07:08] <pidgas> sure
[07:08] <pidgas> yeah
[07:09] <pidgas> wait, the field house?
[07:09] <pidgas> you mean the one right by the hospital?
[07:09] <psykidellic> no no
[07:09] <pidgas> I thought hawkeye apartments were further down
[07:09] <psykidellic> then probably the one i am refering to is not field house
[07:09] <pidgas> oh
[07:10] <psykidellic> another frnd of my also suggesting buying a new network card!
[07:10] <pidgas> lol
[07:10] <pidgas> smart guy
[07:10] <psykidellic> do you think i should try 6.06?
[07:10] <psykidellic> 6
[07:10] <psykidellic> 06?
[07:10] <psykidellic> dapper?
[07:11] <pidgas> from the little I can tell, it sounds like the 3c59x driver is borked in the 2.6 kernel from 2.6.8 on
[07:11] <pidgas> i wouldn't have high hopes
[07:11] <psykidellic> hmmmm
[07:13] <pidgas> the other direction you could try is Feisty
[07:13] <psykidellic> whats that?
[07:13] <pidgas> see if it's been fixed
[07:14] <pidgas> the next version of ubuntu
[07:14] <psykidellic> okie
[07:14] <psykidellic> but none of the site is giving download for that
[07:14] <pidgas> it's in "alpha"
[07:15] <pidgas> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily/current/
[07:16] <pidgas> all the releases you could ever want are at http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/
[07:16] <psykidellic> i will probably mail my professor and ask him what to do...he knows more about the system then i do :)
[07:16] <pidgas> CS professor?
[07:17] <psykidellic> yeah
[07:17] <psykidellic> actually dept. assitant chair
[07:18] <pidgas> well, he'd have as good a shot as anyone
[07:19] <psykidellic> nope
[07:19] <psykidellic> sorry...
[07:19] <pidgas> she?
[07:19] <psykidellic> not for you
[07:19] <psykidellic> another room :)
[07:20] <pidgas> did you just go dirty on me?
[07:20] <psykidellic> nope!
[07:20] <psykidellic> :)
[07:21] <pidgas> someone else then ;-)
[07:21] <psykidellic> hahahahahahahahahahaahah
[07:21] <psykidellic> sucks when things dont work1
[07:21] <pidgas> agreed
[07:25] <pidgas> psykidellic http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/01/how-to-install-network-card-in-linux.html
[07:26] <pidgas> something to try
[07:27] <psykidellic> hmmm
[07:27] <psykidellic> hold on
[07:30] <psykidellic> very strange
[07:30] <psykidellic> my installation
[07:30] <psykidellic> dosnt have
[07:30] <psykidellic> /lib/modules/2,6,17-10-generic/net
[07:30] <psykidellic> as mentioned in the lblog
[07:31] <pidgas> weird
[07:31] <pidgas> what's in there?
[07:31] <pidgas> /lib/modules/
[07:32] <psykidellic> hodl on
[07:32] <pidgas> wait, it's in kernel
[07:32] <psykidellic> hold on
[07:32] <pidgas> /lib/modules/2.5.17-10-generic/kernel/net
[07:32] <psykidellic> will tell
[07:32] <pidgas> (guessing, but I found a net directory there)
[07:33] <psykidellic> its there
[07:33] <psykidellic> no eth0 or anything
[07:33] <psykidellic> 802, 8021q appletalk etc
[07:33] <pidgas> yeah, me too
[07:34] <psykidellic> and there is no /etc/modules,conf
[07:34] <psykidellic> only one file
[07:34] <psykidellic> modules is there
[07:35] <pidgas> well, then that's not a very helpful site at all now is it
[07:35] <psykidellic> yeah
[07:35] <psykidellic> but i remenver
[07:35] <psykidellic> reading somewhere else
[07:35] <psykidellic> you had to do the same alias thing
[07:35] <psykidellic> but it was another file
[07:35] <psykidellic> now i dont remember which file is that
[07:47] <nighthawk02> hi, does anyone know how to make xubuntu hibernate/suspend when idle?
[07:49] <maxamillion> nighthawk02: there should be an option in the screensaver configuration in applications->settings->settings manager->screensaver
[07:51] <nighthawk02> maxamillion, I've been there but it only talks about powering down the monitor.  I'm interested in suspending the entire machine
[07:52] <nighthawk02> I tried gnome-power-manager but it did not go into suspend or hibernate automatically
[07:54] <maxamillion> nighthawk02: oh ... yeah, that much i can't say i know how to do... never tried :/
[07:54] <nighthawk02> thanks maxamillion...
[07:55] <psykidellic> hello maxmillion
[08:08] <maxamillion> psykidellic: hi hi
[08:09] <psykidellic> how r u?
[08:09] <psykidellic> still not been able to get up the network card
[08:09] <maxamillion> not feeling extremely well ... but i will survive
[08:09] <psykidellic> my proff. said that i have to load 3c59x module
[08:09] <maxamillion> psykidellic: ouch, that's no good :(
[08:09] <psykidellic> and doing a google
[08:09] <psykidellic> it shows that from kernel 2.6.8
[08:09] <psykidellic> those drivers are broken
[08:10] <psykidellic> and i am stufying this page: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/01/how-to-install-network-card-in-linux.html
[08:10] <psykidellic> but nothing in that seems to be macthing my system
[08:10] <maxamillion> hrmm...
[08:26] <psykidellic> maxamillion: any idea where the modules.conf or its corresponding files are kept in ubuntu
[08:28] <maxamillion> psykidellic: you talking about /etc/modules or maybe the directory /etc/modules.d/ ?
[08:30] <psykidellic> maxamillion: there is no modules.d in my system
[08:31] <psykidellic> modprobe.d
[08:31] <psykidellic> and modules
[08:33] <maxamillion> psykidellic: do you just want to see what modules are present?
[08:33] <psykidellic> no no..i wanted to follow the steps given at: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/01/how-to-install-network-card-in-linux.html
[08:34] <maxamillion> oh ...
[08:36] <maxamillion> psykidellic: yeah ... i don't think it actually exists
[08:39] <psykidellic> hmmm
[08:44] <redwyrm> is there a command that does the same thing as pressing the Hibernate button?
[08:45] <gunny01> redwyrn: I'm sure their is, try googling, it's likely to be a generic linux command and no buntu specific
[09:24] <redwyrm> gunny01, I think I looked before and didn't find anything
[09:36] <frankabel> how can I sync. my systen with an ntp server?
[09:37] <hyper_ch> !ntp
[09:37] <ubotu> ntp: Network Time Protocol: network utilities. In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.2.0a+stable-9ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 256 kB, installed size 464 kB
[09:38] <frankabel> let me see, thanks
[09:39] <addyk> OK :) Hello xubuntu :) Can someone help me a little? I wanted to put the NVIDIA drivers and managed to kill X-server and run the installation. But it asked a some programs to be installed. I installed them and ran the Instalation again. And then it worked... I edited the xorg.conf file to use the nvidia instead of nv drivers. The thing is... I don't really see the changes.... and GL doesn't work... so Can someone please tell me if I did something wrong?
[09:40] <TheSheep> addyk: how did you install the drivers? with apt-get?
[09:40] <addyk> TheSheep: Nope it's a shell script from nvidia.com
[09:41] <addyk> A large shell script
[09:41] <addyk> NVIDIA [...] .sh
[09:41] <TheSheep> then yes, you did something wrong XD
[09:42] <addyk> OUCH
[09:42] <addyk> Hehe :D Can it be mended? :D
[09:42] <TheSheep> not sure
[09:42] <TheSheep> the nvidia installer has an uninstall option, I think
[09:42] <addyk> In theory aptitude or apt-get should have the driver?
[09:43] <frankabel> obotu: do you reffer to the "xntp" packages?
[09:43] <TheSheep> yes, it has it
[09:43] <TheSheep> !bot | frankabel
[09:43] <ubotu> frankabel: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[09:44] <addyk> OK :) Then I'll search the database :) Thanks.
[09:44] <frankabel> woaw!
[09:44] <hyper_ch> !nvidia | addyk
[09:44] <ubotu> addyk: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:44] <frankabel> can anyone recommed me an ntp client?
[09:44] <TheSheep> addyk: nvidia-glx is the package you want
[09:44] <addyk> That bot scares me :))
[09:44] <addyk> Thank you :)
[09:45] <TheSheep> addyk: but I think you need to remove the one from nvidia.com first
[09:45] <frankabel> a light client with gui
[09:45] <addyk> I had the pleasure of meeting ubotu on kubuntu... :) Nice :)
[09:45] <addyk> TheSheep: I will in some way :D
[09:45] <TheSheep> frankabel: client for what?
[09:45] <frankabel> ntp
[09:45] <addyk> Thanks again and have a good day! :)
[09:45] <TheSheep> frankabel: go to system->time and date
[09:46] <TheSheep> frankabel: and check the box 'sync my time'
[09:46] <TheSheep> um, it's "keep time synchronized with internet servers"
[09:48] <frankabel> Thanks! right now is installing ntp support
[09:49] <frankabel> why this don't come installed by default?
[09:50] <TheSheep> frankabel: some peole don't like when their computer communicates with outside servers every time they boot without their consent
[09:51] <frankabel> yes.. I'm agree with that but my point is that even the checkbox "Keep clock sync." is disable the xubuntu must have installed the NTP support
[09:52] <TheSheep> why add clutter?
[09:52] <frankabel> beside I see that ntpdate package is installed
[09:52] <frankabel> just seem that "system->time and date" don't use it
[09:53] <frankabel> all seem that use other client
[09:53] <TheSheep> not sure
[09:54] <frankabel> isn't good that an ntp client is installed by default (ntpdate) and other is required to make "system->time and date" to work
[09:55] <TheSheep> frankabel: maybe it doesn't download the client, just the server list?
[09:55] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: should beryl also run on xubuntu?
[09:55] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: yes, it runs fine
[09:55] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: just kill xfwm4 and run beryl instead
[09:56] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: the only glitch is the workspace switcher
[09:56] <hyper_ch> I just wonder whether my old geforce would be able to run it...
[09:57] <TheSheep> probably yes
[09:57] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: well, I needed to deactivate composite
[09:58] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: there is a compatibility list on the beryl website
[10:00] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: won't work
[10:03] <frankabel> TheSheep: anyway is package that make useless the checkbox "keep clock sync..."
[10:04] <frankabel> TheSheep: I think that the ntp package must be installed by default
[10:05] <TheSheep> frankabel: report this feature requests at bugs.ubuntu.com
[10:05] <TheSheep> frankabel: or on the dev mailing list
[10:06] <redwyrm> !hibernate
[10:06] <ubotu> hibernate: smartly puts your computer to sleep (suspend to RAM or disk). In component universe, is extra. Version 1.91-2 (edgy), package size 72 kB, installed size 364 kB
[10:08] <frankabel> ok
[10:12] <frankabel> what tool can I use in xubuntu like outlook?
[10:12] <frankabel> contac manager
[10:13] <frankabel> task manager and email reading
[10:16] <maxamillion> frankabel: for email, we use thunderbird ... or you can install sylpheed-claws for a light weight alternative (but its a little less feature rich as of right now) ... for task management, orage (a panel plugin for calendar/clock) is really capable and pleasantly simple to use
[10:17] <lgk> What are the main differences between gnome and xfce? Im looking at screenshots and it looks pretty much the same to me, cosmetical that is
[10:17] <frankabel> thanks
[10:17] <maxamillion> frankabel: no prob
[10:18] <maxamillion> lgk: the main reason xubuntu and ubuntu look alike is because we configure xfce to look like gnome for a sense of uniformity
[10:18] <frankabel> maxamillion: Do you think that ntp package must be installed by default?
[10:18] <lgk> maxamillion: ok..
[10:19] <maxamillion> lgk: differences are mainly the fact that xfce is more customizable, more light weight because it only depends on gtk but not any gnome-libs (which are mainly what drag it down in performance), also xfce is completely modular and you can mix and match different components of your desktop to make it function how ever you see fit
[10:19] <maxamillion> frankabel: what is ntp?
[10:20] <frankabel> without that package the "system -> time and date"
[10:20] <lgk> sounds good to me
[10:20] <lgk> is it also harder to use than gnome?
[10:21] <frankabel>  maxamillion: Description: Network Time Protocol: network utilities
[10:21] <lgk> does it lack features that gnome has? because gnome is the only DE i have used for linux
[10:21] <frankabel>  NTP, the Network Time Protocol, is used to keep computer clocks accurate
[10:21] <frankabel>  over the Internet, or by following an accurate hardware receiver which
[10:21] <frankabel>  interprets GPS, DCF-77, NIST or similar time signals.
[10:21] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: actually beryl works :) with XGL instead of AIGLX
[10:21] <maxamillion> lgk: not at all ... i actually prefer it, the slowest machine i run xubuntu on is a 1.5ghz pentium-m, i just like the way xfce is better
[10:21] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: however how to handle that "workspace" problem?
[10:21] <lgk> maxamillion: ok but my computer is pretty decent though
[10:22] <maxamillion> lgk: the only thing xfce lacks at the moment is the ability to view network windows shares without the help of extra programs (a problem that should be fixed soon)
[10:22] <maxamillion> lgk: by soon i mean, in the next release (with any luck(
[10:22] <maxamillion> )*
[10:23] <maxamillion> lgk: my Athlon64 X2 4600+ w/ 2gb of ram that sits at my desk at work is pretty decent, but it still runs xubuntu ;)
[10:23] <lgk> but is it harder to use?
[10:23] <maxamillion> lgk: no, it isn't harder to use at all
[10:24] <maxamillion> lgk: just do "sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop" and select xfce from the sessions menu next time you login and try it out, if you like it ... awesome, you should use it ... if not, then atleast you know now :)
[10:24] <lgk> last time i did that my icons all messed up
[10:24] <lgk> and i got error messeges
[10:24] <maxamillion> lgk: oh ... ok
[10:24] <lgk> that was after installing kubuntu-desktop though
[10:25] <maxamillion> lgk: well then download the xubuntu desktop/install image and run it as a live cd session to try it out :)
[10:25] <lgk> maxamillion: nah i hate live cd's
[10:25] <lgk> :p
[10:25] <TheSheep> yeah, that windows live cd is horrible :P
[10:26] <lgk> ?
[10:27] <lgk> is there even such a thing?
[10:28] <maxamillion> actually yes ... but its kinda a hack that is generally used to perform tech services
[10:28] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: I'm now back in the normal xfce session but I don't have the workspaces anymore
[10:28] <lgk> maxamillion: are themes easy to install in xfce? and also, does it use thunar?
[10:30] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: settings->workspaces and margins
[10:30] <maxamillion> lgk: Thunar is the xfce file manager ... it is written and maintained by the xfce devel team
[10:30] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: beryl sets the number of workspaces to 1
[10:30] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: found it, thx :)
[10:30] <maxamillion> lgk: and yes, themes are generally easy to install, sometimes there are slight issues ... but in general, not hard
[10:31] <lgk> maxamillion: ok.. sorry for all the questions :p
[10:32] <maxamillion> lgk: no no, not at all ... this is why the irc channel is here
[10:32] <lgk> is thunar anything like nautilus? because im not a big fan of nautilus
[10:32] <maxamillion> :)
[10:32] <TheSheep> it's better
[10:32] <maxamillion> lgk: thunar, in my opinion, is what nautilus wishes it could be
[10:32] <TheSheep> it's the Nautilus done right :)
[10:32] <lgk> i couldnt even make nautilus to have an address bar on startup!
[10:32] <maxamillion> lgk: its simply everything you ever wanted a file manager to be
[10:33] <frankabel> what donwload manager do you think that must be used on xubuntu
[10:33] <TheSheep> lgk:  Nautilus has this option
[10:33] <TheSheep> lgk: Thunar too
[10:34] <TheSheep> frankabel: none
[10:34] <lgk> TheSheep: the address bar didnt stay so i had to kept re enabling it every time i opened it
[10:34] <maxamillion> lgk: http://thunar.xfce.org/index.html
[10:34] <TheSheep> lgk: there is an option in the preferences for that
[10:34] <TheSheep> lgk: "always open in browser windows" or something
[10:34] <lgk> TheSheep: ok.. this was a while ago though
[10:35] <lgk> How about desktop icons and folders etc?
[10:35] <lgk> i didnt think xfce supported that
[10:35] <frankabel> TheSheep: Ok, but I need one... what you recommend?
[10:36] <lgk> frankabel i have tried AXL
[10:36] <lgk> or something similiar
[10:36] <lgk> worked great
[10:36] <maxamillion> lgk: it "does" ... the version of xfce included in edgy is actually xfce4.4RC1 which is still under development, so any features that caused an instability, the xubuntu devs just kinda took out ... so as of now, using desktop icons in edgy takes a little effort
[10:37] <lgk> maxamillion :(
[10:37] <frankabel> lgk: thanks
[10:37] <lgk> but its going to work just as well like in gnome/kde later right?
[10:38] <gpocentek> maxamillion: ?
[10:38] <gpocentek> maxamillion: desktop icons work fine in edgy
[10:38] <maxamillion> gpocentek: do they? ... i remember during the devel cycle of edgy there were issues
[10:39] <maxamillion> i don't use them, just thought they were dissabled ...
[10:39] <gpocentek> ...
[10:39] <maxamillion> lgk: nvm, don't listen to me ... apparently desktop icon work, but just aren't added to the default installation
[10:40] <gpocentek> special desktop icons (trash, home, and file system) have been removed from the desktop
[10:40] <lgk> o.o
[10:40] <gpocentek> this doesn't mean that desktop icons don't work
[10:41] <maxamillion> gpocentek: i just remember there was an issue with them... i know they were removed, but there was even an email in the -devel mailing list that told how to get them functional if an issue came up
[10:41] <gpocentek> the only problem was the existance of the ~/Desktop dir, which has been solved before the release IIRC
[10:42] <maxamillion> i dunno ... maybe i am just mistaken about the icons, i'm not a big fan of desktop icons ... i think that's why i have 2 panels, one for application menu, launchers, sys tray, etc. and the other for workspace management and application minimization
[10:42] <maxamillion> gpocentek: ah, that could be the problem
[10:43] <gpocentek> :)
[10:52] <maxamillion> ok ... i'm outta here ... its 4am, i need sleep
[10:52] <maxamillion> laters all
[11:10] <lgk> and this channel went dead
[11:18] <TheSheep> not at all
[11:18] <TheSheep> just calm
[11:21] <frankabel> jaja
[11:22] <frankabel> how enable spelling check inthe abiWord
[11:22] <frankabel> ?
[11:23] <frankabel> when I go to menu tools->check spelling  is disable
[11:24] <TheSheep> frankabel: I think you need to go to system->language preferences and isntall proper dictionaries
[11:26] <frankabel> thanks
[11:26] <frankabel> again... why at less english isn't installed by default
[11:26] <frankabel> ?
[11:26] <frankabel> is a very nice feature the check spelling
[11:28] <TheSheep> frankabel: because United States of America are not the whole world
[11:34] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: nicely put :)
[11:41] <frankabel> i'm agree with you (I'm from Cuba) but if I pick english from my installation... is logic that I get english language support
[11:42] <frankabel> for example due to my bad english I need check spelling
[11:42] <TheSheep> not necessarily -- and the dictionaries take a lot of space
[11:42] <TheSheep> for some reason people don't like things they don't use lying around
[11:43] <TheSheep> for example, once they migrate from gnome, they want to uninstall gnome, even when it doesn't interfere at all
[11:43] <Pekke> Hi! What's the difference between suspend and hibernate in laptops?
[11:44] <frankabel> yes I'm agree with you... just think that spell check is a very important thing to had enable in abiWord
[11:44] <frankabel> by default
[11:45] <hyper_ch> frankabel: well, my OS is als in english but the vocabularies I need are German / French / Italien
[11:45] <hyper_ch> Pekke: Hibernation --> Will save the ram to disk and power off the laptop
[11:45] <hyper_ch> Pekke: suspend --> will not power off the laptop
[11:46] <Pekke> so what does the susped do? i have to push the power button to get any response after i've suspended
[11:47] <hyper_ch> Pekke: suspend will not poweroff completly
[11:48] <Pekke> what i've tested is that suspend is quicker to both ways than hibernation. Is it like suspend takes battery a bit, but hibernation doesn't?
[11:48] <frankabel> what is the command line to "hide windows and show desktop" I know that exist a item that can be added to the Panel... but I want know the command line
[11:49] <Juz_moi> what is the command to determine which version of xubuntu you are running?
[11:49] <frankabel> Pekke: sure
[11:50] <hyper_ch> Pekke: in suspend it notebook is still running... and hence using up the battery
[11:50] <hyper_ch> hibernate will completly turn it off... however it will restore everything as it was... opening programs and files within them...
[11:51] <frankabel> just think on the display, hibernate = display off and suspend = display without input signal
[11:51] <frankabel> :)
[11:52] <Pekke> ok, thank's for the information.
[11:56] <frankabel> well.. i don't know a command but the really is that cat /etc/apt/sources.list will give you nfo
[11:56] <frankabel> nfo = info
[11:56] <Pekke> is there any way to make the panel in the bottom(i have xfcu menu button, task list, system tray & clock in it) smaller height, like in Kubuntu, or windows..? i've set it tot smallest in the panel properties, but still it's like really big...
[11:58] <frankabel> try outo hide
[11:59] <Pekke> i don't actually like it, when working with some applications witch have buttons in the bottom, the panel will accidentally jump up...
[11:59] <frankabel> that's true
[11:59] <Juz_moi> thanks frankabel
[12:00] <Pekke> and because i'm working with 12 inch laptop, i would like to use the whole space efficiently..
[12:00] <TheSheep> frankabel: alt+ctrl+d
[12:01] <frankabel> I had a key broken(alt)... and need that other good key replace it... can i do that on linux?
[12:02] <frankabel> TheSheep: where can I change that shortcut?
[12:14] <Caleb> hola me han dixo ke aki me ayudarian con el wine?
[12:15] <frankabel> Is the xububtu repository  the same that ubuntu? I mean can I set up my /etc/apt/sources.list to point to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu without any problem?
[12:16] <Caleb> can someone help me with wine??
[12:18] <TheSheep> frankabel: yes
[12:18] <TheSheep> frankabel: setting->window manager settings->keyboard
[12:18] <TheSheep> !ask | Caleb
[12:18] <ubotu> Caleb: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:19] <Caleb> ok
[12:19] <Caleb> im trying to run Ragnarok Online wiht the ltest version of wine, the setup.exe runs 100%, but the game.exe dont run, why??
[12:21] <TheSheep> Caleb: no idea
[12:21] <TheSheep> Caleb: I neber manager to get ragnarok to run
[12:21] <TheSheep> Caleb: you might want to ask on #wine
[12:21] <Caleb> maybe for drivers are not installed in wine??
[12:26] <lgk> Error: unable to load nvidia kernel driver! Be sure to have installed
[12:26] <lgk> the nvidia driver for your running kernel.
[12:27] <lgk> i have apt-get nvidia-glx and it downloaded a kernel too which i booted to and i get that messege trying to do nvidia-glx-config enable
[12:29] <TheSheep> lgk: what does uname -a say?
[12:30] <lgk> 2.6.17-10-386
[12:30] <RingDonut> What is the problem here? :)
[12:31] <lgk> Error: unable to load nvidia kernel driver! Be sure to have installed
[12:31] <TheSheep> lgk: do you have linux-restricted-moduels-2.6.17-10-386 installed?
[12:31] <lgk> TheSheep, how do i check?
[12:31] <TheSheep> sudo apt-get install  linux-restricted-moduels-2.6.17-10-386
[12:32] <RingDonut> Hello, Juz_moi
[12:32] <lgk> cant find the package TheSheep
[12:32] <TheSheep> modules
[12:32] <TheSheep> sorry
[12:32] <TheSheep> sudo apt-get install  linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-10-386
[12:32] <lgk> lates version it says
[12:32] <lgk> latest*
[12:32] <TheSheep> ok
[12:32] <TheSheep> type 'dmesg | tail' and see what it says
[12:33] <RingDonut> What is the problem?
[12:33] <RingDonut> lgk
[12:33] <lgk> cant get the damn nvidia drivers to work RingDonut
[12:33] <lgk> should i paste the input in the channel?
[12:33] <RingDonut> lgk: you must be having the same problems as me
[12:33] <RingDonut> yeah
[12:33] <RingDonut> paste the results
[12:33] <lgk> http://pastebin.ca/323447
[12:34] <lgk> i've never had such problems before.. i just used the kernel apt-get got along with the driver and it worked just fine
[12:34] <TheSheep> lgk: yes, it's strange
[12:34] <TheSheep> lgk: did you upgrade the driver after booting the new kernel?
[12:34] <RingDonut> So, how do I install the nvidia drivers?
[12:34] <lgk> TheSheep, no this is a fresh install
[12:35] <TheSheep> RingDonut: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[12:35] <RingDonut> ta
[12:35] <TheSheep> lgk: try 'sudo rmmod nvidia'
[12:35] <TheSheep> lgk: and then 'sudo modprobe nvidia'
[12:36] <lgk> ERROR: Module nvidia does not exist in /proc/modules
[12:36] <RingDonut> Would that work for a GeForce 5200?
[12:36] <lgk> Not loading nvidia module; not used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:36] <RingDonut> TheSheep?
[12:36] <TheSheep> RingDonut: no idea
[12:37] <TheSheep> lgk: maybe edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and replace 'nv' with 'nvidia'
[12:37] <lgk> RingDonut, check the compability list
[12:37] <RingDonut> kk
[12:37] <lgk> time to kill x
[12:37] <RingDonut> I am about to use the dreaded...
[12:38] <RingDonut> !automatix
[12:38] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[12:38] <lgk> it worked
[12:38] <TheSheep> lgk: great
[12:39] <lgk> TheSheep, should i submit a bug report?
[12:39] <TheSheep> lgk: seems like they added the check for xorg.conf, and didn't upgrade the script
[12:39] <TheSheep> lgk: yes, please
[12:39] <lgk> TheSheep, i have never submited one
[12:39] <lgk> can you do it for me?
[12:39] <RingDonut> nvidia-glx is already the newest version.
[12:39] <TheSheep> lgk: include the error messgae of the script and that of the modprobe
[12:39] <RingDonut> Hmm...
[12:39] <TheSheep> lgk: no, it's easy, and you get karma for it -- better do it yourself :)
[12:40] <TheSheep> lgk: I will help
[12:40] <lgk> rofl karma
[12:40] <lgk> ok guide me
[12:40] <RingDonut> My openGL still is not running smoothly
 ringdonut: what the *** is a chimney sweep???
[12:40] <TheSheep> lgk: go to bugs.ubuntu.com
[12:40] <lgk> i dont need an account though do i?
[12:40] <RingDonut> padee doesn't know what a chimney sweep is
[12:40] <TheSheep> lgk: you do
[12:40] <RingDonut> what a donut
[12:40] <TheSheep> lgk: but it will be also useful for forums and wiki
[12:40] <lgk> TheSheep, i dont have the time to make one atm
[12:41] <TheSheep> RingDonut: it's not exactly on topic here
[12:41] <RingDonut> What is the channel for bug reporting?
[12:41] <TheSheep> !bugs
[12:41] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[12:41] <RingDonut> TheSheep: sorry
[12:41] <RingDonut> I'm sure there is a channel for bug reporting
[12:41] <RingDonut> How do I bring up a channel list?
[12:41] <lgk> i also have another bug report TheSheep , the "do you want to restore your session" window that appears when you start firefox takes up the whole screen
[12:41] <lgk> :x
[12:42] <RingDonut> Same here
[12:42] <TheSheep> lgk: well, note them down and report when you have some time
[12:42] <RingDonut> lgk: it's because you close firefox in full screen mode
[12:42] <TheSheep> RingDonut: there is no channel for reporting bugs, you must report them on launchpad
[12:42] <RingDonut> There is
[12:42] <lgk> RingDonut, whaa?
[12:43] <RingDonut> lgk: you closed firefox while it was in full screen
[12:43] <lgk> RingDonut, that has nothing to do with it
[12:43] <RingDonut> lgk: so the restore previous session takes up full screen
[12:43] <lgk> RingDonut,  No.
[12:44] <RingDonut> :(
[12:44] <frankabel> TheSheep: Ok, but what command I must put there?
[12:44] <RingDonut> Don't shout at me!
[12:44] <RingDonut> :'0(
[12:44] <lgk> No one has been shouting
[12:44] <RingDonut> Whaaaaaaa!
[12:44] <TheSheep> frankabel: not in keyboard settings
[12:44] <TheSheep> frankabel: in window manager settings, on the 'keyboard' tab
[12:45] <RingDonut> !offtopic
[12:45] <ubotu> #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[12:45] <RingDonut> OK, how do I bring up a channel list?
[12:45] <RingDonut> Anyone?
[12:45] <lgk> ./list
[12:45] <RingDonut> ./list
[12:45] <lgk> without the dot 
[12:46] <RingDonut> Server load is too  hevvy
[12:46] <TheSheep> RingDonut: that's generally a bad idea
[12:46] <RingDonut> !nmap
[12:46] <ubotu> nmap: The Network Mapper. In component main, is extra. Version 4.10-1 (edgy), package size 702 kB, installed size 2436 kB
[12:46] <TheSheep> RingDonut: there are usually hundreds of channels
[12:46] <RingDonut> lol
[12:46] <RingDonut> Haha theSheep
[12:47] <RingDonut> ./join #ubuntu-bugs
[12:47] <RingDonut> And feel the shame
[12:47] <RingDonut> "TheSheep> RingDonut: there is no channel for reporting bugs, you must report them on launchpad"
[12:47] <TheSheep> RingDonut: that's the bugsquad channel, it's for people working with bugs, not for reporting them
[12:48] <RingDonut> lgk has seen the light
[12:48] <RingDonut> TheSheep, I'm going to chuck cookies at you now
[12:48] <TheSheep> RingDonut: your behavior is on the edge
[12:48] <frankabel> TheSheep: thanks
[12:49] <RingDonut> Is it?
[12:49] <RingDonut> After all, I am running edgy
[12:49] <RingDonut> I'll stop now ;)
[12:50] <lgk> there should be an age limit for ir c
[12:50] <lgk> irc
[12:50] <lgk> irc*
[12:53] <RingDonut> There is
[12:53] <RingDonut> It's 13
[12:53] <RingDonut> In the USA anyway
[12:53] <RingDonut> Google: COPPA
[12:56] <ephemeros> yo \m/
[12:57] <RingDonut> yo? are you one of these "1337 d00dz"?
[01:03] <ephemeros> :)
[01:41] <poisonpotion> Maximilian1st: you there?
[01:41] <Maximilian1st> Yep
[01:41] <poisonpotion> i seem to have a prob with wireless again
[01:41] <Maximilian1st> Good morning poisonpotion , ... You are not in europe aren't you?
[01:41] <poisonpotion> seems like after shutdown, it's not connecting anymore
[01:41] <Maximilian1st> nope
[01:41] <poisonpotion> naah, i'm in australia
[01:42] <Maximilian1st> you had an ath card don't you?
[01:42] <Maximilian1st> have
[01:42] <Maximilian1st> atheros
[01:42] <poisonpotion> it's 11:42PM, 21st jan here
[01:42] <poisonpotion> yes, iwconfig registers it
[01:42] <Maximilian1st> you are exaclty +11h from CET
[01:42] <poisonpotion> and my network.conf is still the same as last time it worked
[01:42] <Maximilian1st> what does ifconfig say
[01:43] <Maximilian1st> does it show the ath0 card?
[01:44] <poisonpotion> yes
[01:44] <poisonpotion> all the packets are 0 tho
[01:44] <Maximilian1st> try dhclient ath0
[01:44] <Maximilian1st> ?
[01:45] <Maximilian1st> how are you connected to the internet? Second computer?
[01:46] <poisonpotion> yeah, my laptop runs win2k, under same wireless network
[01:46] <poisonpotion> it says no working leases in persistent databse - sleeping
[01:46] <Maximilian1st> try ...
[01:47] <Pekke> i got my wlancard working great by writing sudo wlassistant.. that application didn't seem to do any good when using with mouse...
[01:47] <Maximilian1st> poisonpotion, try  iwconfig ath0 essid any
[01:48] <poisonpotion> done
[01:48] <poisonpotion> nothing happened
[01:48] <Maximilian1st> normal
[01:48] <Maximilian1st> now retry dhclient ath0
[01:48] <poisonpotion> doing it now
[01:48] <Maximilian1st> does your network use dhcp?
[01:48] <poisonpotion> yes
[01:49] <poisonpotion> dhcp, wpa2, hidden ssid
[01:49] <Maximilian1st> wpa2...
[01:49] <Maximilian1st> hidden essid
[01:49] <Maximilian1st> ...
[01:50] <poisonpotion> still same thing, no working leases, sleeping
[01:50] <Maximilian1st> Did it work out of the box last night?
[01:50] <Maximilian1st> Did you change your AP configuration to add wpa2 and essid hidden?
[01:51] <poisonpotion> nah it didn't. I had to set my interfaces config file, followed the forum tutorial and it worked fine
[01:51] <poisonpotion> i installed x-chat in that box and connect myself to this channel
[01:52] <Maximilian1st> I can't help you any further. My knowledge of wpa and wireless is very limited.
[01:52] <Maximilian1st> I have an open wireless here.
[01:52] <poisonpotion> hmmm..
[01:52] <poisonpotion> thanx anyways
[01:53] <Maximilian1st> The commands I use to connect, herd2 weirdness makes restricted modules unavailable.
[01:53] <Maximilian1st> modprobe ath_pci
[01:53] <Maximilian1st> ifconfig ath0 up
[01:53] <Maximilian1st> dhclient ath0
[01:53] <Maximilian1st> This  just connects to the strongest open network in the vicinity.
[01:54] <Maximilian1st> Have you tried apps like wifi-radar or wpa_supplicant? NetworkManager?
[01:54] <poisonpotion> not yet
[01:54] <Maximilian1st> wpa_supplicant has also a gui interface
[01:54] <Maximilian1st> wpa_gui IIRC
[01:59] <Maximilian1st> poisonpotion, Most of the time the suggested way to find out why it does not work, is to take out all the protections you use on your AP, essid hide, wpa2 and so on. Once it is fully open, try to connect to it, it works? Great, add something, like the hidden essid. Change your files on your linux box accordingly and retry connecting... And so on.
[02:20] <poisonpotion> Maximilian1st: how do i set a default gateway through command line?
[02:21] <poisonpotion> errr... what the
[02:21] <poisonpotion> it works now
[02:27] <Maximilian1st> Did you have to change something?
[02:27] <Maximilian1st> poisonpotion,
[02:28] <poisonpotion> i had no idea what i did
[02:28] <poisonpotion> maybe it worked after the ifup ifdown commands i issued
[02:29] <Maximilian1st> This is no good. Try rebooting and connecting.
[02:29] <Maximilian1st> It is no good because you don't know what happened, it is good that you are connected indeed.
[02:34] <poisonpotion> woww... xubuntu has nice chinese font...
[02:34] <Maximilian1st> You are chinese? And read and write it?
[02:34] <poisonpotion> with proper stylised strokes instead of digital looking ones in windows
[02:35] <poisonpotion> i am of chinese ethnicity, but not chinese
[02:35] <Maximilian1st> Sorry, that's what I meant.
[02:35] <poisonpotion> i can read few characters
[02:35] <Maximilian1st> You are australian.
[02:35] <poisonpotion> nah, i'm indonesian :)
[02:35] <Maximilian1st> :-)
[02:35] <poisonpotion> but staying in australia
[02:35] <Maximilian1st> lol
[02:36] <poisonpotion> and no, i'm no terrorisst :p
[02:36] <poisonpotion> typo
[02:36] <Maximilian1st> We are the moving generations.
[02:36] <Maximilian1st> neither am I, stay cool.
[02:37] <poisonpotion> you're in...?
[02:38] <Maximilian1st> Switzerland.
[02:38] <poisonpotion> aah ok
[02:41] <poisonpotion> urghhhh restarted, same thing happens
[02:48] <poisonpotion> k i'm doing something right here
[02:48] <poisonpotion> have to restart again
[02:48] <kumamoto> where to find good looking xubuntu wallpaper
[03:01] <poisonpotion> k pinpointed the problem
[03:02] <poisonpotion> Maximilian1st: seems like i had to ifup eth0, then it gives the msg: Ignoring interface eth0=eth0
[03:02] <poisonpotion> then i had to ifdown and ifup ath0
[03:03] <poisonpotion> only then it will receive the ip address
[03:05] <Maximilian1st> I had that on gentoo but there we had ifplugd that looked after that, it up'd and down'd the interfaces in the background.
[03:07] <poisonpotion> should i post this problem in the forum?
[03:09] <Maximilian1st> You could post a message asking if someone has the same issue.
[03:11] <kumamoto> damn am good got youtube working on xubuntu
[03:12] <poisonpotion> kumamoto: how?
[03:12] <poisonpotion> i installed flash from synaptics yesterday but still got the error msg in youtube
[03:13] <kumamoto> remove that crap from synaptics and install it from adobe
[03:13] <kumamoto> directly
[03:13] <crimsun> poisonpotion: are you using -backports's?
[03:13] <kumamoto> follow the instructions
[03:17] <slow-motion> hallo
[03:23] <poisonpotion> woohoo it works
[03:29] <poisonpotion> ok how do i kill a window? firefox just crashed on me
[03:34] <kumamoto> sudo kill -9 <firefox.pid>
[03:35] <poisonpotion> thanx
[04:13] <frankabel> what translatior software are available on linux like babylom?
[04:14] <frankabel> anybody there?
[04:14] <frankabel> eco eco eco
[04:15] <Pekke> TheSheep: about teh panel in the bottom, i got it to really small size. it's the orage clock & battery monitoring application that made it so big, even though it was in the smallest in the properties.
[04:16] <frankabel> great
[04:20] <kumamoto> crap I can't get easyubuntu to install
[04:28] <BlueEagle> kumamoto: Something tells me that it's not so easy then. ^^
[04:34] <kumamoto> it was a was an error of a missing file which I have corrected by copying another file and it seems to have corrected it
[04:35] <kumamoto> it now seems to be running but needs a few kinks ironed out on the part of installing packages
[04:47] <kumamoto> now it looks like it worked though am having issues with gpg and missing binaries
[04:48] <kumamoto> evidently I don't need since everything is working
[05:08] <kumamoto> watching beerfest
[05:18] <iGotNoTime> Does anyone know if there is a dedicated irc channel for the .exe installer?
[05:26] <kumamoto> this movie is hilarious
[05:41] <emss> Hello
[05:42] <PuMpErNiCkLe> yo
[05:42] <Juz_moi> what's the short cut (hot keys) for xkill?
[05:42] <PuMpErNiCkLe> ctrl + alt + esc
[05:42] <Juz_moi> ah
[05:42] <Juz_moi> tnx
[05:42] <PuMpErNiCkLe> np
[05:43] <emss> xfce4 seems very nice
[05:43] <emss> fast
[05:43] <emss> unlike gnome 2.16
[05:44] <emss> but Terminal seems to lag just like gnome-terminal
[05:47] <OnionSWE> help! i have a harddrive attached to my computer, an old IDE 2,5" drive from an old external harddrive that i had laying around. I need to mount it to save som very important info on it but i dont know what filesystem the partition hdc1 uses. Can anyone help me on how to check what file system it is?
[05:48] <OnionSWE> i need to save some important info from it to my harddrive..
[05:48] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Does using 'auto' work?  It should autodetect it, that way.
[05:48] <OnionSWE> i have not tried that..
[05:48] <OnionSWE> how do i write the mount command using auto?
[05:50] <PuMpErNiCkLe> mount -t auto [..] 
[05:52] <OnionSWE> nooooo, error message, it says "mount: special device /dev/hdc1/ does not exist
[05:52] <OnionSWE>        (a path prefix is not a directory)" allthoug i can find it in the dev folder
[05:53] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Use /dev/hdc1, not /dev/hdc1/.  It's not a directory.
[05:53] <PuMpErNiCkLe> At least, it *shouldn't* be a directory...
[05:56] <emss> lots of room for improvement with xfce4
[05:58] <OnionSWE> yahoooo! it works!! i am soooo hapy!
[05:58] <PuMpErNiCkLe> cool
[06:02] <OnionSWE> i had 40 GB's of vacation pictures on my external harddrive and I had just done a reinstall of my computer so i did not have a backup of the pictures on my computer. and then it quit on me = Panic. I have now opened it up and taken the harddrive out, gotten an adapter and mounted it on my computer and it works! Man, as of now I am officially a hacker!  :)
[06:09] <emss> it's h4x0r
[06:34] <Ramla> Hmm, what is it with the current version of thunar being so unstable? If it doesn't hang simply on turning hidden files on and off, at least the tree view goes nuts
[06:35] <Ramla> Doesn't always have to do with hidden files though
[06:39] <Ramla> Seems they got a very old version there in apt..
[06:49] <Pekke> is there any other battery bar monitoring applications that i can position into the panel, than the one that is supplied with xubuntu by default
[06:52] <frankabel> what app can I use to open a .ppt file?
[06:55] <kumamoto>  frankabel : openoffice i would think
[06:59] <Pekke> how can i make openoffice my default application for text and stuff? when i click e.g. to .doc file, it opens in abiWord.
[06:59] <totalwormage> right click on it
[07:00] <totalwormage> (if you are righthanded that is)
[07:00] <totalwormage> open with -> other
[07:00] <totalwormage> select (or type) Open office
[07:00] <totalwormage> and there should be a box with 'use as default' or something :] 
[07:03] <Pekke> thank you.
[07:03] <totalwormage> :] 
[07:04] <Ramla> Any idea what package from the repositories I should install?
[07:04] <Ramla> ## Checking for Gtk+ >= 2.6.0
[07:04] <Ramla> pkg-config --atleast-version=2.6.0 gtk+-2.0
[07:09] <PuMpErNiCkLe> libgtk2.0-dev
[07:12] <Ramla> Thank you, kind guru.
[07:13] <PuMpErNiCkLe> o.O
[07:16] <Ramla> Well, I personally have no idea how to guess the right package from those error messages.
[07:17] <OnionSWE> hello every one!
[07:17] <OnionSWE> i have a new problem..
[07:17] <Ramla> Hey.
[07:19] <frankabel> so in xubuntu I can't open ppt?
[07:20] <Pekke> doesn't open office work for that?
[07:21] <OnionSWE> i have copied about 40 Gigs of data from a FAT32 disk to my Xubuntu system, the problem is that since im swedish i have 3 local letters ,  and  that has gotten replaced by a black square with a question mark in it in all the filenames. since it is 40 GB of data it will take me some time to change all of these "questionmarks" manually. Is there no way to do this automatically?
[07:21] <Ramla> I'm interested in charset conversion for files as well.
[07:21] <PuMpErNiCkLe> That depends on whether it stored them as separate character sequences.
[07:22] <PuMpErNiCkLe> If they've been replaced by a generic 'blank' character, no.
[07:22] <PuMpErNiCkLe> (A search/replace script would convert them *all* to a Swedish character.)
[07:22] <PuMpErNiCkLe> If they're still stored as separate character sequences, you can use a script to replace each one as the equivalent Swedish character.
[07:23] <OnionSWE> so how do i find out if they are all blank or not?
[07:24] <OnionSWE> the thing is that i still have the source FAT32 disk, is there some special way to copy the data that keeps the the correct charaters?
[07:24] <OnionSWE> is
[07:26] <PuMpErNiCkLe> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=118172
[07:26] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Similar problem, possible solution. --^
[07:31] <frankabel> Pekke: the problem is that opensource is so fat
[07:31] <frankabel> I'm finding some thing more light
[07:31] <Pekke> ok
[07:32] <OnionSWE> PuMpErNiCkLe, Ok, thanks for the tip, i'll have a look at it and see if i can make it work
[07:33] <Ramla> I wish I had known these things when moving to Xubuntu, when I copied my 50GB music folder only a week after repartitioning the original drive I found out that any songs with  or  in their filename were just not copied. Don't know how it happened. Moved them in GUI because cli wouldn't copy the files with bad encoding
[07:37] <bad_cables> anyone in here using an iBook with an ATI 128 8mb 2X agp card ?
[07:38] <bad_cables> i have the little 12" G3 500 iBook
[07:38] <bad_cables> i have had an aweful time getting the CRT output to display correctly
[07:38] <bad_cables> i can use m3mirror just fine, but when i tried to patch the mdk2.6.11 kernels to display correctly i just ran into a heck of a problem
[07:39] <bad_cables> so i am switching up to debian or something i guess
[07:39] <bad_cables> xubuntu
[07:39] <bad_cables> thing is, if this doesnt work then i am just going back to intel
[07:40] <bad_cables> but i want it to work because the mac is so quiet and doesnt hardly make any noise
[07:42] <kumamoto> bad_cables : is this an issue with your laptop not display anything on a crt connected to it
[07:43] <bad_cables> no, it displays perfectly during yaboot
[07:43] <bad_cables> it can display with m3mirror
[07:43] <bad_cables> but with m3mirror, there is a refresh rate problem or something
[07:43] <bad_cables> im not sure
[07:43] <bad_cables> right now i am installing xubuntu
[07:43] <bad_cables> hoping that the kernel is already patched, or is easier to patch
[07:43] <bad_cables> since all the patches to display correctly were from the debian forums
[07:44] <psykidellic> hello
[07:45] <bad_cables> i can see yaboot with the CRT, but when i boot, it snaps off... so i had to enable it
[07:45] <bad_cables> ok i did that
[07:45] <bad_cables> and it works, but the refresh rate or whatever just wont display right
[07:45] <bad_cables> under mandrake PPC 10.2
[07:45] <bad_cables> so i have to change up
[07:45] <psykidellic> hey, does anybody knows the corresponding for modules.conf in xubuntu?
[07:45] <psykidellic> i need to get my NIC running
[07:46] <psykidellic> according to; http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/01/how-to-install-network-card-in-linux.html
[07:46] <crimsun> what do you need to add to modules.conf?
[07:46] <psykidellic> alias eth0 3c59x
[07:47] <crimsun> you don't need to add that
[07:47] <crimsun> it loads automatically
[07:47] <psykidellic> it isnt
[07:47] <psykidellic> my installation is not recognising my 3com vortex card
[07:48] <crimsun> then place it in /etc/modules
[07:48] <crimsun> only: 3c59x
[07:48] <crimsun> not alias eth0 3c59x
[07:48] <psykidellic> i did a modprobe 3c59x and it installed twio modules
[07:48] <psykidellic> okie..so i have to do: just 3c59x???
[07:48] <crimsun> yes
[07:49] <psykidellic> then reboot?
[07:51] <psykidellic> sorry got disconnected!
[07:52] <psykidellic> ifconfig still returns just just loopback interface
[07:53] <crimsun> is 3x59x loaded?
[07:53] <Pekke> how to use the 3ddekstop switcher?
[07:54] <psykidellic> lsmod | grep 3c59x
[07:54] <psykidellic> shows two listing
[07:55] <psykidellic> http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/01/how-to-install-network-card-in-linux.html gives me a hint to use ifconfig but i want the ip to be given by my mediacom router
[07:57] <frankabel> when I run ./scanModem the following error appear: FATAL: Module slamr not found.
[07:58] <frankabel> how can I install the slamr module
[07:58] <frankabel> ?
[08:01] <ardya> hi folks
[08:04] <ardya> even though I have defined a Virtual in xorg.conf, gdm or xfce4 seems to ignore it. Also, I cannot seem to cycle through various modes using ctrl+alt+ keypad +/-, though I can use all the resolutions listed in xfce4 display settings, searched the forums, google, nothing definitive, is this a limitation in gdm, or xfce4?
[08:05] <kumamoto> stupid digikam won't connect to a camera it detected itself
[08:36] <psykidellic> anybody?
[08:39] <Commander-Crowe> what?
[08:43] <psykidellic> i have an old 3com vortex NIC....that needs 3c59x module...i did modprobe and it installed the module...lsmod tells me that...but i cannot get my ubuntu to recognise the network card
[08:43] <psykidellic> there is just no eth0....so doing ifconfig eth0 up or similar just fails
[08:50] <ardya> even though I have defined a Virtual in xorg.conf, gdm or xfce4 seems to ignore it. Also, I cannot seem to cycle through various modes using ctrl+alt+ keypad +/-, though I can use all the resolutions listed in xfce4 display settings, searched the forums, google, nothing definitive, is this a limitation in gdm, or xfce4?
[08:57] <kumamoto> psykidellic, what is the output for lsmod | grep 3c59 ?
[09:01] <kumamoto> xubuntu sucks when it comes to usb cameras
[09:05] <hyper_ch> hiho, what linux would you recommend to put on a usb stick?
[09:06] <psykidellic> kumamoto: 3c59x 47912
[09:06] <psykidellic> kumamoto: mii 6912 1 3c59x
[09:06] <psykidellic> kumamoto: so i know 3c59x module is uo
[09:07] <psykidellic> :kumamoto: will installing kubuntu or ubuntu help? i believe it will not as they both use the same linux kernel but does driver supprt is different across multiplw ubuntu based distribution?
[09:09] <hyper_ch> psykidellic: driver support isn't different... just the WindowsManager and preinstalled appz
[09:09] <hyper_ch> my 10 cents :)
[09:10] <psykidellic> hmmmmm
[09:11] <psykidellic> so how do i get this bloody network to be recoignised...i have tried all possivle way people have recommended....should i just change the network card? that means another 10-15 USD :(
[09:15] <Pekke> how can i add e.g. some games to the xfce menu/Games/ ?
[09:16] <Pekke> so i don't need to write to the command line every time..
[09:18] <Jester45> right the panel
[09:18] <Jester45> press add
[09:18] <Jester45> scroll down to laucher
[09:18] <Jester45> then click close
[09:19] <Jester45> then right click the new laucher and click properties
[09:19] <Jester45> the put the command you normaly use in the command stop
[09:19] <Jester45> spot*
[09:19] <Pekke> ah ok.. can i add them to the xfce menu, under games section?
[09:19] <Jester45> o
[09:19] <Jester45> yes
[09:19] <Jester45> right click the menu
[09:19] <Jester45> properties
[09:20] <Jester45> or edit
[09:20] <Jester45> then click add (+ sign)
[09:21] <Jester45> then you can add new laucher if you have a games catagory or add a new catagory
[09:21] <Pekke> well, i have games menu already in the xfce menu, but i can't find it from the menu edit tool
[09:22] <Jester45> o
[09:22] <Jester45> that menu section is the default xfce menu
[09:22] <Jester45> its a xml file but im not sure where
[09:23] <Pekke> there's just settings manager, which holds everything in the menu, except like 5 applications
[09:23] <Jester45> no the thing that has the games section is Name: -- include --- Command: system
[09:24] <Jester45> its the default menu it has most of the entrys that you ghen from installing packages
[09:24] <Pekke> ok
[09:24] <Jester45> eg network muiltmedia system
[09:24] <Pekke> yeas
[09:25] <Pekke> how can i edit that ?
[09:25] <Jester45> its a xml filer
[09:25] <Jester45> i dont know where
[09:25] <Jester45> but you can edit with mousepad if you can find the location
[09:26] <Pekke> ok
[09:26] <Pekke> i'll seek
[09:26] <Pekke> thanks
[09:27] <grazie> Pekke: have a look at http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/07/12/manually-edit-the-xfce-menu/
[09:38] <Jester45> grazie: was i right about editing the xml?
[09:40] <Jester45> how do i start bittorrent-gui
[09:40] <Jester45> i installed the package but i cant figure out the command
[09:41] <Commander-Crowe> open command line
[09:41] <Commander-Crowe> type in "bittorrent-gui"
[09:42] <Jester45> it doesnt work
[09:43] <Jester45> bash: bittorrent-gui: command not found
[09:43] <Jester45> and bittorrent doesnt work
[09:44] <ardya> hi folks
[09:44] <Jester45> hi
[09:45] <ardya> does xfce ignore Virtual as defined in xorg.conf?
[09:45] <Jester45> idk
[09:45] <ardya> or prevent ctrl+alt keypad +/- from working?
[09:47] <ardya> I can use all resolutions in xfce's display settings
[09:47] <Jester45> what does Virtual do
[09:47] <Jester45> Commander-Crowe: ardya: does xfce ignore Virtual as defined in xorg.conf?
[09:48] <Commander-Crowe> it stills your life
[09:48] <ardya> Virtual sets a virtual desktop size greater than a particular resolution
[09:49] <Jester45> so it magnifies the screen
[09:49] <ardya> no
[09:50] <ardya> provides more real estate than is viewable
[09:50] <Jester45> o well i dont think i want it
[09:50] <Jester45> o
[09:50] <ardya> a lot of people dont
[09:51] <ardya> coming from windows, it confuses them
[09:51] <bad_cables> man, i just ran m3mirror and i get a screwed up screen on my iBook
[09:51] <bad_cables> anyone know this one?
[09:52] <bad_cables> i am using xubuntu edgy eft out of the box on an iBook G5 with an ATI 8mb 2X
[10:08] <fxr> hi folks, how do i add fonts in xubuntu, i have no font manager (that i can see anyhoo) like in Kubuntu, can i just copy ttf's into /usr/local/share/fonts/truetype & if so, do i have to put each font into an individual folder?
[10:11] <ardya>  /usr/local?
[10:13] <bad_cables> once i have edited my xorg.conf, what do i have to do to see the changes
[10:13] <bad_cables> ?
[10:14] <bad_cables> is it like yaboot where you have to run an app to apply the changes?
[10:14] <bad_cables> or and i just reboot?
[10:15] <bad_cables> init 3 then init 5 from a console?
[10:15] <fxr> oh sorry i mean /usr/share/fonts/truetype ardya, can i just throw ttf's in there?
[10:18] <ardya> are there any in there now?
[10:19] <ardya> if so, yes, then run mkfontdir on that dir, then xset fp rehash
[10:23] <fxr> (yes there is) ... ok, thanks, ll give that a try...
[10:30] <slow-motion> n8
[10:35] <boyko> Hello - does Xubuntu have a package manager, and if so, does the package manager automatically add new programs to the system menu?
[10:36] <somerville32> boyko, Yes and Yes.
[10:36] <somerville32> Xubuntu uses the package manager
[10:36] <somerville32> If the package installs a .desktop file then it will appear in the menu
[10:36] <boyko> What am I giving up by going from Gnome to XFCE?
[10:36] <somerville32> *Xubuntu users the apt package manager.
[10:37] <somerville32> boyko, Xfce4 is lot less mature then Gnome is
[10:37] <somerville32> However, Xfce4 is a pretty sturdy desktop
[10:37] <somerville32> If you want a faster desktop experience, Xfce4 is for you :)
[10:38] <boyko> I've got an older - much older laptop.  Would you say it's a good candidate?  (1.4ghz chip, 256 MB ram, 5400 RPM HD)
[10:38] <somerville32> Thats old? :P
[10:38] <somerville32> Computer: serenity | Distro: Ubuntu 7.04 "feisty" | Processor: 334.86Mhz | Model: Celeron (Mendocino) | Memory: 250MB Free: 86MB [          ]  | Diskspace: 40.07GB Free: 7.45GB | Video: S3 Inc. Savage 4 @ 1024x768 (24 bpp) | Net: Down: 7.78MB Up: 0.59MB
[10:39] <boyko> Do you even bother with a GUI on a machine like that?
[10:39] <somerville32> ...
[10:39] <somerville32> Yes
[10:39] <somerville32> :P
[10:39] <boyko> *brain just exploded*
[10:39] <somerville32> And Xubuntu is super fast
[10:39] <somerville32> (for me)
[10:39] <somerville32> So I'm all good
[10:40] <somerville32> :)
[10:40] <boyko> Cool.
[10:40] <somerville32> So it should be _really_ good for you
[10:42] <Pekke> i'm having fujitsu laptop with 800MHz cpu, 256Mem. and only thing that makes xubuntu slow is to run package manager installing files+ openoffice etc. but happily that doesn't happen ever.
[10:43] <boyko> All I need is something that can do e-mail, web browsing and word processing in abiword (or failing that, nano) so I should be good here.  I might want to hook it up to my SDTV and watch some videos on it, but that shouldn't be a problem.  VLC works alright for that.
[10:44] <boyko> I'm installing Xubuntu now.
[10:46] <boyko> Once I get it up and running, are there any tips for making Xubuntu run even faster?
[10:54] <somerville32> boyko: Are you installing from cd?
[11:29] <Pekke> Hi! i just installed bluefish html editor, but now when i click  a link for example in Konversation, it starts bluefish, not firefox. firefox is set to preferred application.
[11:31] <hyper_ch> Pekke: you need to set in the kde preferred appz ff as browser
[11:31] <hyper_ch> or html editor
[11:32] <Pekke> kde preferred apps? where can i find them in xubuntu?
[11:34] <hyper_ch> I think you have to install kcontrol
[11:35] <hyper_ch> but that means some stuff won't work anymore in xfce admin section
[12:01] <ardya> hi folks
[12:02] <somerville32> Hiya ardya :)
[12:03] <ardya> still no joy
[12:03] <somerville32> Whats wrong? :(
[12:04] <ardya> strange xog behaviour
[12:04] <ardya> or xfce
[12:04] <ardya> I cant figure out which
[12:04] <ardya> in any case, I cant ctrl+alt +/- cycle resolutions, nor does the Virtual desktop I defined in xorg.conf get used
[12:05] <ardya> but all resolutions in xfce display settings works, nor are there any errors in X.0.log
[12:06] <ardya> the Virtual desktop can be seen at the login dialog
[12:06] <ardya> it disappears after login
[12:09] <ardya> I'm stumped, and nowhere left to check
[12:12] <somerville32> What are you trying to accomplish?
[12:13] <ardya> the ability to cycle resolutions using ctrl+alt +/-
[12:14] <ardya> and use a Virtual desktop size larger than a resolution I use
[12:14] <somerville32> Why would you want to?
[12:14] <ardya> because I have been for years?
[12:14] <ardya> because I know the hardware is capable
[12:15] <ardya> I'm new to *buntu/debian, but not new to linux
[12:16] <ardya> the configuratoin I expect to work does work in every other distro I've used over the years
[12:19] <somerville32> Interesting
[12:20] <ardya> I guess I'm the only one in the world with this issue, nothing in the forums on it, dead idlers here
[12:21] <somerville32> Have you chatted with TheSheep?
[12:21] <somerville32> And you might try one of the other support channels like #ubuntu
[12:22] <ardya> you're the only one thats responded to my queries today
[12:22] <somerville32> It must be because it is Sunday
[12:22] <somerville32> During regular business hours, it can get rather busy in here :)
[12:26] <ormiret> ardya: sounds like a gdm issue, using the wrong config when starting xfce, I don't know enough about gdm to help with getting it to use the right config though :(