[06:26] <ball> hello ubotu, Ubugtu
[06:28] <LaserJock> hi ball
[06:29] <ball> hello LaserJock
[07:19] <ball> hello n2diy
[07:20] <ball> hello Amaranth
[07:21] <Amaranth> hi
[09:02] <LaserJock> morning ogra
[09:03] <highvoltage> morning ogra
[09:03] <highvoltage> LaserJock: :p
[09:03] <Burgundavia> hey ogra, LaserJock, highvoltage
[09:03] <highvoltage> hey Burgundavia and LaserJock
[09:03] <ogra> hi
[09:03] <ajmitch> hi ogra, LaserJock, highvoltage, Burgundavia
[09:03] <highvoltage> hi ajmitch :)
[09:03] <Burgundavia> hey ajmitch
[09:06] <willvdl> g'day Bruce
[09:06] <Burgundavia> hey willvdl
[09:06] <willvdl> hey. good to see your name in the channels again
[09:07] <Burgundavia> new gf keeping me busy
[09:07] <highvoltage> hey willvdl
[09:08] <willvdl> highvoltage, morning. Did any HPX guys contact you folks last week?
[09:09] <willvdl> Burgundavia, yeah, know that one. The travel is killing me :)
[09:09] <highvoltage> morning willvdl
[09:09] <highvoltage> willvdl: nope, I don't even know who HPX is
[09:10] <willvdl> highvoltage, your away message is on :)
[09:10] <highvoltage> willvdl: technically, I am away ;)
[09:11] <willvdl> where are you?
[09:11] <highvoltage> at work
[09:12] <willvdl> Ah, I can see I'll have to choose my questions more carefully
[09:13] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: IRC
[09:13] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: excuse me?
[09:13] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: IRC is evil
[09:13] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: okay
[09:13] <highvoltage> willvdl: I try not to spend too much time on IRC at work, so I mark myself as away: at work, when at work
[09:14] <willvdl> you read Catch-22 yet? "Major Major is out so you may go in", "But when will he be back in", " as soon as you are out"
[09:15] <Burgundavia> I am trying an experiment: not use IRC at work
[09:15] <Burgundavia> I have found am just as productive either way, so expect to see me on IRC again next week at work
[09:20] <highvoltage> I've found a sharp increase in productivity when I am not in certain channels.
[09:20] <highvoltage> my local LUG channel is the biggest culprit.
[09:26] <zelk> greetings anyone around?
[09:26] <Burgundavia> nope
[09:26] <Burgundavia> :)
[09:27] <zelk> ah hello
[09:27] <Burgundavia> what can we help you with?
[09:27] <zelk> i was wondering about edubuntu
[09:28] <Burgundavia> we might just be able to answer questions about that here
[09:28] <zelk> can the os be installed and boot from a flash drive
[09:28] <Burgundavia> yes, although it takes a bit of work
[09:29] <zelk> dont mind the extra work part
[09:30] <zelk> any link to the tutorial?
[09:30] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[09:30] <Burgundavia> although I cannot guarantee that is going to work
[09:31] <zelk> currently planning to install edubuntu for a kindergarden but payment is horrible and they are fussy T_T
[09:32] <Burgundavia> right
[09:32] <Burgundavia> you going to install a thin client server or just a workstation
[09:32] <Burgundavia> because you are doing the former, I would be really worries about RAM usage
[09:33] <zelk> we provided old pc's with win98 but...they some how manage to kill something every month
[09:33] <zelk> looking at thin client cheaper
[09:33] <Burgundavia> ok, for that you want a dedicated server
[09:33] <Burgundavia> how many thin clients?
[09:34] <zelk> 4-5 maybe less
[09:35] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: what is the latest recommendation for RAM per thin client?
[09:36] <zelk> if i remember reading correctly recomended 256 per extra client
[09:37] <Burgundavia> yep, that is about right
[09:39] <zelk> wahaha it is abit of work
[09:39] <Burgundavia> seriously, usb stuff like that is really only for moving from computer to computer
[09:39] <Burgundavia> why exactly do you need to have it on a usb stick?
[09:40] <zelk> btw the new edubuntu flash drive can be reused as a normal flash drive again or is it permenant
[09:40] <Burgundavia> it could be reformatted again
[09:42] <zelk> usb stick cheaper then a 80gb hdd
[09:43] <Burgundavia> yes, but far less reliable and much slower
[09:43] <Burgundavia> hey cbx33
[09:43] <zelk> plus they have "magic" fingers i have no idea how they manage to kill a piece of hardware every month
[09:43] <Burgundavia> ah
[09:43] <Burgundavia> in which case you can put the server out of reach
[09:44] <cbx33> hey Burgundavia
[09:44] <zelk> one..sugestion is that their roof leaks and water drips on to the pc...
[09:44] <zelk> a few monitors had a wet death T_T
[09:46] <zelk> as long as minimum hardware is needed all is good.
[09:46] <zelk> they refuse to pay for damages, and have at least 6 months of unpaid pc rentals
[09:47] <Burgundavia> ouch
[09:47] <zelk> very
[09:48] <ogra> its only 128MB per client and a base of 256M for the server itself
[09:48] <zelk> plus the kinder is about 20miles from shop =Z
[09:48] <cbx33> ogra TCM is moving forward
[09:48] <ogra> cbx33, great
[09:48] <cbx33> almost completed multiple server part of spec
[09:48] <cbx33> will need some help from you though
[09:48] <Burgundavia> cbx33: you rock
[09:48] <cbx33> tiled VNC is working
[09:48] <cbx33> am thinking about writing my own small vnc server for feisty + 1
[09:48] <ogra> can we do that next week ? i'm a bit busy with the sprint this week
[09:49] <cbx33> of course
[09:49] <Burgundavia> cbx33: why not fix up vino?
[09:49] <zelk> ok thanks burgun
[09:49] <cbx33> i may do
[09:49] <cbx33> ;)
[09:49] <ogra> Burgundavia, hwo do you embed vino in another app so that you have tiled overview of the classroom ?
[09:49] <Burgundavia> zelk: no worries. seriously though, flash drives are not the way to go
[09:49] <zelk> i need to go out to deliver some keyboards now
[09:50] <Burgundavia> ogra: hmm, no idea
[09:50] <cbx33> well ,my plane was to write a very very small server
[09:50] <Burgundavia> however, I mention it because it exists and why write it all again
[09:50] <ogra> Burgundavia, raping vino for something its not supposed to do doesnt sound right
[09:50] <cbx33> that take a screen shot every 3 seconds or so, and is not interactive
[09:50] <zelk> sorry for joining and running like this
[09:50] <cbx33> maybe by piping xwd or something....
[09:51] <cbx33> unfortunately python can't get screenshots nicely
[09:51] <Burgundavia> why isn't vnc built directly into X?
[09:51] <cbx33> so I may have to write it in C
[09:51] <cbx33> x11vnx
[09:51] <cbx33> x11vnc works fine
[09:51] <cbx33> but...the bandwidth is high
[09:51] <cbx33> if I write a new server for it, we could view 20 tiled screens allat once
[09:51] <ogra> Burgundavia, dunno, why didnt you patch X ?
[09:52] <cbx33> then switch to vnc for the teacher to control
[09:52] <cbx33> Burgundavia: are you working on the latest edition of the official ubuntu book?
[09:52] <Burgundavia> sort of
[09:53] <Burgundavia> ogra: I will get right on that :)
[09:53] <cbx33> Burgundavia: can I ask some advice?
[09:53] <Burgundavia> shoot
[09:53] <ogra> great, ping me tomorrow if you're done
[09:53] <Burgundavia> sweet
[09:53] <cbx33> Edubuntu has a lot of features that aren't confimred for feisty just yet
[09:54] <cbx33> but the latest book release is supposed to be based on feisty
[09:54] <cbx33> initial draft is meant to be in by 8th Feb
[09:54] <Burgundavia> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-January/021119.html <-- this was the thread that starting my thinking, ogra
[09:54] <Burgundavia> I am merely going to be technical editor this time
[09:55] <ogra> thats not true for ubuntu
[09:55] <ogra> the vnc shipped in main gets always compiled against the X libs we ship
[09:55] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:56] <cbx33> Burgundavia: ok, but what do you suggest?
[09:56] <Burgundavia> for the edubuntu chapter?
[09:56] <cbx33> how should I handle it...
[09:57] <cbx33> I've started
[09:57] <cbx33> and written a big big chuck already
[09:57] <Burgundavia> ah
[09:57] <Burgundavia> well, you pick ogra's brain here
[09:57] <cbx33> we also have the problem that ltsp for example has changed significantly from dapper
[09:57] <cbx33> ok
[09:57] <Burgundavia> given he is the primary driver of new things
[09:57] <cbx33> ogra is there any chance I can grab you on this?
[09:57] <cbx33> did you get my mail?
[09:58] <Burgundavia> you say "ogra: how much crack are you going to get done for Feisty?"
[09:58] <cbx33> I have TCM and this chapter to do...trouble is they are kinda interrelated
[09:58] <cbx33> ;)
[09:58] <Burgundavia> and then you say "me: how much crack am I going to get done for Feisty", as you appear to be driving that development
[09:58] <ajmitch> jsgotangco!
[09:58] <cbx33> ogra I'll try to have as much of TCM done for early next week, then we can check it though and get it ready after FF
[09:59] <Burgundavia> cbx33: is SCP now TCM?
[09:59] <jsgotangco> heh they want the laptops away
[09:59] <jsgotangco> brb
[09:59] <cbx33> Burgundavia: yes
[09:59] <cbx33> Thin Client Manager
[09:59] <Burgundavia> ah, cool
[10:00] <cbx33> and it's looking sweet
[10:00] <Burgundavia> got any screenshots?
[10:00] <cbx33> oh ogra I got a reply from the guys at RedHat, they said great we're using their code, and that it came from pyvnc2swf mostly anyway...
[10:00] <Burgundavia> you need to blog about the cool things, to make people drool
[10:00] <cbx33> Burgundavia: yeh, lemme fire it up and get it running some vnc sessions
[10:02] <Burgundavia> funnily enough, I am busy debating how to convince my boss that the new offices needs shiny new LTSP-running thin clients, instead of our own custom multiseat stuff
[10:02] <cbx33> heheh
[10:03] <Burgundavia> primarily I want less management headaches
[10:03] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: depending on how many clients there are, userful might actually be a good solution?
[10:03] <Burgundavia> multiseat requires close distances
[10:04] <highvoltage> that's what I was thinking
[10:04] <Burgundavia> basically unsuitable for single offices
[10:04] <Burgundavia> we only get away with it because we currently have cubicles in larger rooms
[10:04] <highvoltage> if it's up to about 6-8 workstations very close to each other, then it's not so bad
[10:05] <Burgundavia> plus multiseast is crashy as hell (although not as crashy as the in-X stuff) and breaks a lot of things, like sound and openGL
[10:05] <highvoltage> but anything more than that and I'd rather be using diskless machines
[10:05] <highvoltage> really? wow.
[10:05] <highvoltage> on the HP 441-style machines GL and sound works fine.
[10:05] <Burgundavia> that is dedicated hardware with dedicated software
[10:05] <Burgundavia> we have multiseat sound working, sort of
[10:06] <Burgundavia> our device assignment code is utter junk
[10:06] <highvoltage> they should make userful free software ;)
[10:06] <Burgundavia> desktop multiplier is the actual product name and yes
[10:11] <highvoltage> ah yes
[10:12] <cbx33> Burgundavia: just getting the screenshot now ;)
[10:12] <cbx33> had to fix a bug first
[10:12] <cbx33> but then I hadn't tested my integration code in 2 days
[10:12] <cbx33> ;)
[10:14] <Burgundavia> been playing a bit with http://ebox-platform.com/
[10:20] <cbx33> Burgundavia: see my blog ;)
[10:20] <cbx33> there is now a screenshot
[10:20] <cbx33> man this irc is laggy
[10:21] <Burgundavia> cool
[10:23] <Burgundavia> you are splitting out the backend from the front end, no?
[10:30] <cbx33> yup
[10:30] <cbx33> already done
[10:30] <cbx33> and the backend program to integrate over ssh for multiple server control is also....largely done
[10:31] <cbx33> all in about a week
[10:31] <cbx33> hehe
[10:31] <cbx33> I've been busy
[10:34] <cbx33> SCP -> TCM has grown in code by about double, possibly tripple in this release
[10:40] <Amaranth> cbx33: you know pixbuf's can be resized, right?
[10:40] <Amaranth> (reading blog)
[10:57] <cbx33> Amaranth: no i didn't :p
[10:57] <cbx33> i did look
[10:57] <Amaranth> gtk.gdk.Pixbuf.scale_simple
[10:57] <cbx33> is it quick?
[10:58] <cbx33> ahhh cool
[10:58] <cbx33> I'll give that a go
[10:58] <cbx33> gimme two ticks
[11:04] <cbx33> Amaranth: you gem
[11:04] <cbx33> that's loads quicker...I looked for that too
[11:04] <cbx33> crap now I look like an idiot
[11:04] <Amaranth> :)
[11:05] <cbx33> just need someone in the know I guess
[11:05] <cbx33> man CPU bandwidth is minimal
[11:05] <cbx33> ;)
[11:06] <cbx33> CRIKEY
[11:06] <Amaranth> ?
[11:06] <cbx33> I can run the screenshots on Hyper now
[11:06] <Amaranth> heh
[11:06] <cbx33> they are SOOOO Smooth
[11:06] <cbx33> Amaranth: I'm blogging about you right now
[11:06] <Amaranth> PIL is pure python, isn't it?
[11:06] <cbx33> yes
[11:07] <cbx33> but in futre to do image resizing, it maybe quick to convert to pixbuf and do it that way
[11:07] <Amaranth> yeah, python's not good at those kinds of things :)
[11:07] <cbx33> you may have just solved a problem I had
[11:07] <cbx33> phimage ;)
[11:07] <cbx33> resizing on that was DOG slow
[11:07] <cbx33> now it may be able to run real time
[11:07] <Amaranth> the real problem with all this should be network bandwidth
[11:07] <cbx33> yes
[11:08] <cbx33> which is why I'm thinking of wirint a very simple vnc type server for feisty + 1
[11:08] <Amaranth> if you hit a bottleneck anywhere other than the network you're doing something wrong :)
[11:08] <cbx33> hehe
[11:08] <cbx33> indeed
[11:10] <ajmitch> cbx33: impressive work from your blog
[11:10] <cbx33> thanks ajmitch, Amaranth just made it a whole lot better
[11:10] <cbx33> I think I'm going to edit the blog entry....or add a new one ;)
[11:11] <cbx33> Burgundavia: you were right...heheh...Ishould have blogged about it ;)
[11:13] <Amaranth> you do all the work, i jump in with the quick fix ;)
[11:14] <cbx33> it is an awesome fix
[11:14] <cbx33> please await...new blog entry pending....
[11:17] <ajmitch> how I wish I could have my dual-monitor setup at work
[11:17] <ajmitch> (and use python there)
[11:17] <cbx33> hehe
[11:17] <cbx33> how I wish I had a new job
[11:18] <cbx33> and didn't have to administer windows boxen
[11:18] <ajmitch> heh
[11:18] <cbx33> yuk....I used to love php
[11:18] <cbx33> then I started using python
[11:22] <cbx33> this job is sapping me
[11:22] <cbx33> I need to do dev work
[11:22] <cbx33> I love dek work
[11:22] <cbx33> *dev
[11:23] <rodarvus> hi there
[11:24] <ajmitch> hi rodarvus
[11:24] <cbx33> hey rodarvus
[11:28] <ajmitch> oh good, each module can draw its own UI in the container given now, this should make things easier for me
[11:48] <cbx33> sounds complicated ajmitch
[11:49] <ajmitch> not particularly
[11:49] <ajmitch> the wonders of python & gtk+
[11:50] <ajmitch> I'm not using glade, so in a way it's easier
[11:52] <cbx33> ahh
[11:53] <cbx33> well....I'm just having a quick look at phimage
[11:53] <cbx33> the pixbuf resize is a damn sight quicker but it can't reliable produce a format that openGL can use
[11:54] <ajmitch> you need opengl?
[11:55] <cbx33> not for TCM
[11:55] <ajmitch> ok
[11:55] <cbx33> for another project I'm working on
[11:55] <cbx33> on the side
[11:55] <cbx33> ;)
[11:55] <ajmitch> I was going to say, you could just do the resize in opengl
[11:56] <cbx33> hmm
[11:56] <cbx33> again quite possibly
[11:56] <cbx33> how can you resize in opengl?
[11:56] <cbx33> my problem is textures have to be n^2xm^2
[11:56] <cbx33> if you get my drift
[11:56] <cbx33> I was resizing with PIL
[11:57] <cbx33> but that's DOG SLOW
[11:57] <cbx33> so when Amaranth showed me howmuch quicker a pixbuf.scale_simple was
[11:57] <cbx33> i wondered if I could use a pixbuf to store the image....
[11:57] <cbx33> trouble is using the get_pixels method doesn't give the right format for use with openGL textureing
[11:58] <cbx33> it needs to be RGBX
[11:58] <cbx33> some images load....but display funny
[11:58] <cbx33> one image loads ok but is flipped
[11:58] <cbx33> and about 80 others just kill opengl
[12:00] <ajmitch> odd
[12:00] <cbx33> yeh
[12:00] <cbx33> but I just don't have time to fix it... :( was trying to get it in for feisty
[12:02] <ajmitch> best to get things working now
[12:03] <cbx33> well i would if I could
[12:04] <cbx33> ok, it can use bmps
[12:04] <cbx33> so it must be a format thing
[12:08] <cbx33> hmmm getting closer
[12:08] <cbx33> but still doesn't like jpg of png
[12:11] <cbx33> hmmm
[12:20] <cbx33> ajmitch: partial success
[12:20] <cbx33> the images are still screwed up, but at least it's reading in all the images now
[12:20] <cbx33> they're just in the wrong format
[12:20] <ajmitch> great
[12:20] <cbx33> yeh
[12:21] <cbx33> nevermind
[12:21] <cbx33> back to real work
[12:21] <cbx33> :(
[12:21] <cbx33> i think I'll be getting upat 5:30 in the morning again tomorrow
[12:21] <ajmitch> ouch
[12:21] <cbx33> so I can get TCM finished
[12:21] <ajmitch> why the rush?
[12:22] <cbx33> going to bed at about 12 -1
[12:22] <cbx33> well it's gotta be largely done by Feb 8th
[12:22] <cbx33> FF date
[12:22] <ajmitch> it still has a long way to go?
[12:22] <cbx33> well...
[12:22] <cbx33> tbph I'm not sure what state it needs to be in for FF
[12:22] <ajmitch> mostly there
[12:22] <cbx33> the vnc works
[12:22] <cbx33> needs a little tweaking
[12:22] <ajmitch> it should be feature complete & not too buggy
[12:22] <cbx33> um...backend system works...
[12:22] <cbx33> exactly
[12:23] <cbx33> I'm scared I'm not gonna get it into that state
[12:23] <cbx33> as I'm also writing the Edubuntu chapter for the official ubuntu book
[12:23] <cbx33> and that has a deadline of Feb 8th too :p
[12:24] <ajmitch> ouch
[12:24] <ajmitch> good luck :)
[12:24] <cbx33> indeed
[12:24] <cbx33> it's gonna be tough
[12:24] <cbx33> really tough
[12:38] <Amaranth> ack, that's the 8th?
[12:38] <Amaranth> i thought it was the 20th
[12:38] <cbx33> yeh me too
[12:40] <cbx33> well I hoped at least
[12:40] <cbx33> ogra thought it was later too ;)
[12:41] <ajmitch> sleep time, I can worry about code in the morning :)
[12:41] <cbx33> nn ajmitch
[12:46] <highvoltage> goodnight ajmitch
[12:58] <cbx33> ping ogra_
[01:22] <Ram_> hi all... does anyone of a website that lists edubuntu-based projects geared to primary education?
[02:09] <willvdl> highvoltage, can you check what my username is for edubuntu.org drupal site? :P
[02:12] <highvoltage> willvdl: ok
[02:13] <willvdl> ah, got it somehow
[02:13] <willvdl> weird.
[02:14] <ogra_> YAY
[02:14] <ogra_> volume control on thin clients works !
[02:14] <willvdl> ogra_, +++
[02:14] <highvoltage> willvdl: ok :) I just got it
[02:15] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: ogra++
[02:16] <ogra_> now to the input devices ....
[02:20] <willvdl> highvoltage, had a long chat with pips1 on Friday
[02:20] <willvdl> about what info should be in Drupal site and what in wiki
[02:20] <willvdl> he reckons, apart from the front page, that we should put as much as possible in the wiki
[02:20] <willvdl> what you think?
[02:22] <highvoltage> wiki is good
[02:22] <highvoltage> it means that more people can edit it
[02:22] <highvoltage> I read most of the conversation from friday, but only afterwards
[02:32] <willvdl> ah. did I leave it in the channel?
[02:33] <willvdl> cool, anyway, Matt Nuzum want sto move ubuntu.com over to drupal somewhere mid-march I think
[02:33] <willvdl> so I jsut want to check with him what kinds of info he wants in ubuntu.com and then we should look close at copying him I guess
[02:34] <kihai> Hi y'all! Anyone has an idea on how I can get the current cpu time of certain running processes? I want to write a cron script that will check regularly for the cpu time of the Xorg process on my Ltsp clients, and when it's >=95% I want to kill the process. But how can I read out the cpu time of processes with ps????
[02:36] <highvoltage> HAHA!
[02:36] <willvdl> instead of killing it, have you considered changing its priority?
[02:36] <willvdl> maybe renicing it?
[02:36] <highvoltage> willvdl: there were lots of objection against drupal for edubuntu.org
[02:37] <highvoltage> willvdl: I'm quite surprised to see that it will be used for ubuntu.com
[02:37] <cbx33> ping ogra_
[02:37] <willvdl> highvoltage, yeah. I image it is really just for keeping the static pages (front page), news tickers, download mirrors page (which is dynamic) and release notes or something
[02:38] <willvdl> I read all of Phillips planning pages for drupal
[02:39] <willvdl> silly question, but does the edubuntu council have an LP presence?
[02:40] <kihai> willvdl: Hmm, I'll give it a try, havent tested it so far...
[02:41] <willvdl> kihai, processes can be cpu intensive. As long as they are not hogging the cpu from other key processes I wouldn't really worry about it
[02:41] <willvdl> well, meaning I wouldn't kill it.
[02:41] <kihai> Maybe someone knows what could cause this prob. It's a Edgy Eft Server and when clients log off, sometimes the Xorg process hangs. Any ideas on what settings I could change to fix this?
[02:43] <kihai> willvdl: The problem is, that if the Xorg process is over 95%, the client hangs.
[02:43] <kihai> Ah, and Xorg restarts itself automatically when it's killed, so no worries there
[02:43] <willvdl> how have you verified this?
[02:45] <willvdl> it might be a combination of cpu usage, memory and network load. I doubt it is as simple as just a hungry process
[02:45] <kihai> When the client logs out, the screen goes grey, mouse and keyboard aren't reacting anymore and when I log on the hanging client with ssh then top shows me the Xorg process with >=95%. If I kill it, it restarts itself and the client is showing a new login screen.
[02:45] <highvoltage> willvdl: the edubuntu council is the administrators on the edubuntu-members page
[02:46] <willvdl> ah. good point
[02:47] <willvdl> ws looking at http://www.edubuntu.org/news/3. might need to adjust or simply move discussion page to wiki
[02:52] <cbx33> highvoltage: did we do a fridge story on edubuntu and BETT?
[02:56] <willvdl> highvoltage, is it as sweltering hot there as it is here? My potplants just caught alight...
[02:57] <juliux> hi all
[03:04] <willvdl> hey
[03:06] <juliux> !seen Riched
[03:06] <ubotu> I haven't seen riched recently
[03:06] <juliux> hm
[03:06] <willvdl> juliux, he's recovering from travels
[03:06] <willvdl> will be back tomorrow
[03:06] <juliux> willvdl, so he will be online in the next days?
[03:06] <willvdl> yes. just feeling under the weather
[03:07] <willvdl> !seen RichEd
[03:07] <ubotu> I haven't seen riched recently
[03:07] <juliux> willvdl, thxs
[03:07] <willvdl> hmmm, does ubotu care about case?
[03:07] <juliux> we will have a local edubuntu weekend in februar
[03:08] <juliux> and riched means that perhaps he will be in europe in feb
[03:12] <highvoltage> cbx33: no, thanks for the reminder, it went under the radar somehow, we should still put it up
[03:12] <highvoltage> willvdl: I've been in the office all day so I don't know what the temperature is outside
[03:12] <willvdl> don't go. wait till dark then walk slowly
[03:13] <juliux> highvoltage, ask wetter.com;)
[03:14] <highvoltage> willvdl: ok :)
[03:14] <highvoltage> juliux: according to my gnome weather applet it's just 27C outside
[03:14] <highvoltage> it was 33C on Saturday
[03:14] <willvdl> berg wind.
[03:15] <juliux> highvoltage, here we have 5C and a strong wind
[03:15] <willvdl> anbient temp is low but wind factor....eish
[03:15] <highvoltage> I'm not complaining though. our winter was way too cold and long.
[03:15] <highvoltage> juliux: ouch. when I say 'way too cold' I mean the coldest it got was about 7C
[03:16] <juliux> highvoltage, the coldest in januar was -7C in the morning
[03:16] <highvoltage> shew
[03:17] <juliux> highvoltage, last winter the coldest was -21C
[03:17] <juliux> highvoltage, -21C in the morning and -18 during the day
[03:18] <highvoltage> I've never felt - degrees before
[03:19] <juliux> come to germany;)
[03:19] <juliux> but not this winter
[03:20] <willvdl> ogra_, where do you want release announcements to live? wiki and then ported into docbook?
[03:21] <ogra_> why docbook ?
[03:22] <juliux> hey ogra_
[03:22] <juliux> ogra_, if you are back in germany i have something to play for you;9
[03:23] <ogra_> nice !
[03:23] <juliux> ogra_, we get two thinclients from transtec an a minicomputer for the expos
[03:23] <ogra_> willvdl, i think wiki suffices ... but if you like them in docbook, feel free
[03:23] <ogra_> juliux, cool
[03:23] <juliux> ogra_, but if we don't need them on expos we can use them for testing,
[03:24] <ogra_> good
[03:24] <cbx33> ogra_: I'm practically done on TCM
[03:24] <juliux> ogra_, so i think i will send you one transtec thinclient after cebit if you want
[03:24] <cbx33> just the filtering to do
[03:24] <juliux> ogra_, http://www.transtec.de/D/D/products/ServerBasedComputing/transtecMYLO500.htm
[03:24] <cbx33> and I got a bit confused over one thing so I'll be emailing you
[03:25] <cbx33> I expect to have....dare I say it....everything on the spec list, bar the applet for assistance done
[03:25] <ogra_> cbx33, can you move the "kill process" button into the processes tab ?
[03:25] <cbx33> sure
[03:25] <cbx33> gui updates are easy
[03:25] <ogra_> and a placeholder pic for the tiles would also be nice
[03:25] <cbx33> there is a bug or two in the vnc code
[03:25] <ogra_> apart from that .... -> AWESOME !!!!
[03:25] <cbx33> ogra_: of course
[03:25] <cbx33> dude it works
[03:25] <ogra_> !!!
[03:25] <cbx33> and smoothly ;)
[03:25] <ogra_> cool
[03:25] <cbx33> I'm a little confused about the multiple backend
[03:25] <cbx33> but
[03:26] <cbx33> best thing is for me to send you a link to what I've done
[03:26] <ogra_> now lets wait for the feedback from the 50 client setups :P
[03:26] <cbx33> so you can see it
[03:26] <cbx33> when you get back from sprint
[03:26] <cbx33> is that fair?
[03:26] <ogra_> yep
[03:26] <ogra_> i saw the screenshot already
[03:26] <ogra_> yeah, indeed
[03:26] <cbx33> excellent
[03:26] <ogra_> i'll get to it sunday evening ...
[03:26] <cbx33> just need you to take a look at some of the ssh workings
[03:26] <cbx33> ok
[03:26] <cbx33> that should then give me enogh time to write the book chapter about it ;)
[03:27] <cbx33> I know pretty much what's gonna be in now
[03:27] <willvdl> ogra_, docbook really just for archive purposes, ubiquity etc. but I agree with you. Anyway, main reason is that I'm updating wiki to have release announcements in central place
[03:27] <cbx33> it's just sorting and tarting till the 8th
[03:27] <ogra_> willvdl, proceed as you like .... i totally trust your judgement
[03:48] <willvdl> ogra_, do we still do release notes as well as release announcement?
[03:48] <ogra_> i think yes ... as long as we have enough to say in them ....
[03:48] <ogra_> if all new features easily fit into the announcement we probably dont need them
[03:49] <willvdl> gotcha
[03:56] <bddebian> Heya
[04:11] <willvdl> OK, moved our old Breezy Release notes to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyBadger
[04:34] <cbx33> Amaranth: thanks again
[04:34] <cbx33> i kinda got it working on phimage too
[04:34] <cbx33> but there are some pixel format issues to deal with
[04:34] <Amaranth> hehe
[04:34] <Amaranth> saw the blog :)
[04:34] <Amaranth> you're welcome
[04:34] <cbx33> howz willow coming along
[04:38] <cbx33> IF i get everything else done and you need a hand...jsut shout
[07:49] <paolob> Hi guys! The hd of my edubuntu server failed, thanks God I had a backup made with backuppc. I restored all (I think so, but I could have forgot something) the hd, but the clients doesn't boot, or, better, they arrive to a " authenticated mount request from 10.0.1.217:906 for /opt/ltsp/i386 ". Any hint? what should I do?
[07:51] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: tell cbx33 TCM is looking very nice, judging by the screenshots
[07:51] <edubuntugirl> Righto, highvoltage!
[10:29] <g333k_work> hi does edubuntu 6.06 comes with ltsp 4.2?
[11:01] <Burgwork> g333k_work: 6.06 comes with a new version of LTSP, which is now ltsp 5
[11:01] <Burgwork> thus, no
[11:19] <paolob-parroquia> Hi guys! I had a hd failure, and I had to restore the hd to a new one from a backuppc backup. I restored all (I think...), but the client can't boot well, they only arrive at asking an IP. Any idea what do I lack or miss? thank you!