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Did any HPX guys contact you folks last week? [09:09] Burgundavia, yeah, know that one. The travel is killing me :) [09:09] morning willvdl [09:09] willvdl: nope, I don't even know who HPX is [09:10] highvoltage, your away message is on :) === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === mode/#edubuntu [-o highvoltage] by highvoltage [09:10] willvdl: technically, I am away ;) [09:11] where are you? [09:11] at work [09:12] Ah, I can see I'll have to choose my questions more carefully [09:13] edubuntugirl: IRC [09:13] highvoltage: excuse me? [09:13] edubuntugirl: IRC is evil [09:13] highvoltage: okay [09:13] willvdl: I try not to spend too much time on IRC at work, so I mark myself as away: at work, when at work [09:14] you read Catch-22 yet? "Major Major is out so you may go in", "But when will he be back in", " as soon as you are out" [09:15] I am trying an experiment: not use IRC at work [09:15] I have found am just as productive either way, so expect to see me on IRC again next week at work [09:20] I've found a sharp increase in productivity when I am not in certain channels. [09:20] my local LUG channel is the biggest culprit. === zelk [i=WinNT@60.48.64.114] has joined #edubuntu [09:26] greetings anyone around? [09:26] nope [09:26] :) [09:27] ah hello [09:27] what can we help you with? [09:27] i was wondering about edubuntu [09:28] we might just be able to answer questions about that here [09:28] can the os be installed and boot from a flash drive [09:28] yes, although it takes a bit of work [09:29] dont mind the extra work part [09:30] any link to the tutorial? [09:30] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent [09:30] although I cannot guarantee that is going to work [09:31] currently planning to install edubuntu for a kindergarden but payment is horrible and they are fussy T_T [09:32] right [09:32] you going to install a thin client server or just a workstation [09:32] because you are doing the former, I would be really worries about RAM usage [09:33] we provided old pc's with win98 but...they some how manage to kill something every month [09:33] looking at thin client cheaper [09:33] ok, for that you want a dedicated server [09:33] how many thin clients? [09:34] 4-5 maybe less [09:35] highvoltage: what is the latest recommendation for RAM per thin client? [09:36] if i remember reading correctly recomended 256 per extra client [09:37] yep, that is about right [09:39] wahaha it is abit of work [09:39] seriously, usb stuff like that is really only for moving from computer to computer [09:39] why exactly do you need to have it on a usb stick? [09:40] btw the new edubuntu flash drive can be reused as a normal flash drive again or is it permenant [09:40] it could be reformatted again === cbx33 [i=c2df514b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-95f508274f436bb6] has joined #edubuntu [09:42] usb stick cheaper then a 80gb hdd === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away [09:43] yes, but far less reliable and much slower [09:43] hey cbx33 [09:43] plus they have "magic" fingers i have no idea how they manage to kill a piece of hardware every month [09:43] ah [09:43] in which case you can put the server out of reach [09:44] hey Burgundavia [09:44] one..sugestion is that their roof leaks and water drips on to the pc... [09:44] a few monitors had a wet death T_T [09:46] as long as minimum hardware is needed all is good. [09:46] they refuse to pay for damages, and have at least 6 months of unpaid pc rentals [09:47] ouch [09:47] very [09:48] its only 128MB per client and a base of 256M for the server itself [09:48] plus the kinder is about 20miles from shop =Z [09:48] ogra TCM is moving forward [09:48] cbx33, great [09:48] almost completed multiple server part of spec [09:48] will need some help from you though [09:48] cbx33: you rock [09:48] tiled VNC is working [09:48] am thinking about writing my own small vnc server for feisty + 1 [09:48] can we do that next week ? i'm a bit busy with the sprint this week [09:49] of course [09:49] cbx33: why not fix up vino? [09:49] ok thanks burgun === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.48.78.3] has joined #edubuntu [09:49] i may do [09:49] ;) [09:49] Burgundavia, hwo do you embed vino in another app so that you have tiled overview of the classroom ? [09:49] zelk: no worries. seriously though, flash drives are not the way to go [09:49] i need to go out to deliver some keyboards now [09:50] ogra: hmm, no idea [09:50] well ,my plane was to write a very very small server [09:50] however, I mention it because it exists and why write it all again [09:50] Burgundavia, raping vino for something its not supposed to do doesnt sound right [09:50] that take a screen shot every 3 seconds or so, and is not interactive [09:50] sorry for joining and running like this [09:50] maybe by piping xwd or something.... [09:51] unfortunately python can't get screenshots nicely [09:51] why isn't vnc built directly into X? [09:51] so I may have to write it in C [09:51] x11vnx [09:51] x11vnc works fine [09:51] but...the bandwidth is high [09:51] if I write a new server for it, we could view 20 tiled screens allat once [09:51] Burgundavia, dunno, why didnt you patch X ? [09:52] then switch to vnc for the teacher to control [09:52] Burgundavia: are you working on the latest edition of the official ubuntu book? [09:52] sort of [09:53] ogra: I will get right on that :) [09:53] Burgundavia: can I ask some advice? [09:53] shoot [09:53] great, ping me tomorrow if you're done [09:53] sweet [09:53] Edubuntu has a lot of features that aren't confimred for feisty just yet [09:54] but the latest book release is supposed to be based on feisty [09:54] initial draft is meant to be in by 8th Feb [09:54] http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-January/021119.html <-- this was the thread that starting my thinking, ogra [09:54] I am merely going to be technical editor this time [09:55] thats not true for ubuntu [09:55] the vnc shipped in main gets always compiled against the X libs we ship [09:55] yep [09:56] Burgundavia: ok, but what do you suggest? [09:56] for the edubuntu chapter? [09:56] how should I handle it... [09:57] I've started [09:57] and written a big big chuck already [09:57] ah [09:57] well, you pick ogra's brain here [09:57] we also have the problem that ltsp for example has changed significantly from dapper [09:57] ok [09:57] given he is the primary driver of new things [09:57] ogra is there any chance I can grab you on this? [09:57] did you get my mail? [09:58] you say "ogra: how much crack are you going to get done for Feisty?" [09:58] I have TCM and this chapter to do...trouble is they are kinda interrelated [09:58] ;) [09:58] and then you say "me: how much crack am I going to get done for Feisty", as you appear to be driving that development === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [09:58] jsgotangco! [09:58] ogra I'll try to have as much of TCM done for early next week, then we can check it though and get it ready after FF [09:59] cbx33: is SCP now TCM? [09:59] heh they want the laptops away [09:59] brb [09:59] Burgundavia: yes [09:59] Thin Client Manager [09:59] ah, cool [10:00] and it's looking sweet [10:00] got any screenshots? [10:00] oh ogra I got a reply from the guys at RedHat, they said great we're using their code, and that it came from pyvnc2swf mostly anyway... [10:00] you need to blog about the cool things, to make people drool [10:00] Burgundavia: yeh, lemme fire it up and get it running some vnc sessions === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.48.78.3] has joined #edubuntu [10:02] funnily enough, I am busy debating how to convince my boss that the new offices needs shiny new LTSP-running thin clients, instead of our own custom multiseat stuff [10:02] heheh [10:03] primarily I want less management headaches [10:03] Burgundavia: depending on how many clients there are, userful might actually be a good solution? [10:03] multiseat requires close distances [10:04] that's what I was thinking [10:04] basically unsuitable for single offices [10:04] we only get away with it because we currently have cubicles in larger rooms [10:04] if it's up to about 6-8 workstations very close to each other, then it's not so bad [10:05] plus multiseast is crashy as hell (although not as crashy as the in-X stuff) and breaks a lot of things, like sound and openGL [10:05] but anything more than that and I'd rather be using diskless machines [10:05] really? wow. [10:05] on the HP 441-style machines GL and sound works fine. [10:05] that is dedicated hardware with dedicated software [10:05] we have multiseat sound working, sort of [10:06] our device assignment code is utter junk [10:06] they should make userful free software ;) [10:06] desktop multiplier is the actual product name and yes [10:11] ah yes [10:12] Burgundavia: just getting the screenshot now ;) [10:12] had to fix a bug first [10:12] but then I hadn't tested my integration code in 2 days [10:12] ;) [10:14] been playing a bit with http://ebox-platform.com/ === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.48.78.3] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@238.Red-83-49-48.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:20] Burgundavia: see my blog ;) [10:20] there is now a screenshot [10:20] man this irc is laggy [10:21] cool [10:23] you are splitting out the backend from the front end, no? === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [10:30] yup [10:30] already done [10:30] and the backend program to integrate over ssh for multiple server control is also....largely done [10:31] all in about a week [10:31] hehe [10:31] I've been busy [10:34] SCP -> TCM has grown in code by about double, possibly tripple in this release [10:40] cbx33: you know pixbuf's can be resized, right? [10:40] (reading blog) === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.48.78.3] has joined #edubuntu === meduxa [n=agustin@84.Red-217-127-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@unafilliated/kgoetz] has joined #edubuntu [10:57] Amaranth: no i didn't :p [10:57] i did look [10:57] gtk.gdk.Pixbuf.scale_simple [10:57] is it quick? [10:58] ahhh cool [10:58] I'll give that a go [10:58] gimme two ticks === migi [i=migi@nat/sun/x-c7c4f635ddff8cd4] has joined #edubuntu [11:04] Amaranth: you gem [11:04] that's loads quicker...I looked for that too [11:04] crap now I look like an idiot [11:04] :) [11:05] just need someone in the know I guess [11:05] man CPU bandwidth is minimal [11:05] ;) [11:06] CRIKEY [11:06] ? [11:06] I can run the screenshots on Hyper now [11:06] heh [11:06] they are SOOOO Smooth [11:06] Amaranth: I'm blogging about you right now [11:06] PIL is pure python, isn't it? [11:06] yes [11:07] but in futre to do image resizing, it maybe quick to convert to pixbuf and do it that way [11:07] yeah, python's not good at those kinds of things :) [11:07] you may have just solved a problem I had [11:07] phimage ;) [11:07] resizing on that was DOG slow [11:07] now it may be able to run real time [11:07] the real problem with all this should be network bandwidth [11:07] yes [11:08] which is why I'm thinking of wirint a very simple vnc type server for feisty + 1 [11:08] if you hit a bottleneck anywhere other than the network you're doing something wrong :) [11:08] hehe [11:08] indeed === meduxa [n=agustin@84.Red-217-127-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:10] cbx33: impressive work from your blog [11:10] thanks ajmitch, Amaranth just made it a whole lot better [11:10] I think I'm going to edit the blog entry....or add a new one ;) [11:11] Burgundavia: you were right...heheh...Ishould have blogged about it ;) [11:13] you do all the work, i jump in with the quick fix ;) [11:14] it is an awesome fix [11:14] please await...new blog entry pending.... === highvoltage holds breath [11:17] how I wish I could have my dual-monitor setup at work [11:17] (and use python there) [11:17] hehe [11:17] how I wish I had a new job [11:18] and didn't have to administer windows boxen [11:18] heh === ajmitch has to write php, and admin a couple of linux servers [11:18] yuk....I used to love php [11:18] then I started using python [11:22] this job is sapping me [11:22] I need to do dev work [11:22] I love dek work === ogra_ [n=ogra@scandic759.host.songnetworks.se] has joined #edubuntu === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [11:22] *dev [11:23] hi there [11:24] hi rodarvus [11:24] hey rodarvus [11:28] oh good, each module can draw its own UI in the container given now, this should make things easier for me === ajmitch needs to get this hacked up in the next day or two === ogra_ [n=ogra@scandic759.host.songnetworks.se] has joined #edubuntu [11:48] sounds complicated ajmitch [11:49] not particularly [11:49] the wonders of python & gtk+ [11:50] I'm not using glade, so in a way it's easier [11:52] ahh [11:53] well....I'm just having a quick look at phimage === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.48.78.3] has joined #edubuntu [11:53] the pixbuf resize is a damn sight quicker but it can't reliable produce a format that openGL can use [11:54] you need opengl? [11:55] not for TCM [11:55] ok [11:55] for another project I'm working on [11:55] on the side [11:55] ;) [11:55] I was going to say, you could just do the resize in opengl [11:56] hmm [11:56] again quite possibly === cbx33 is still new at all this graphics stuff === ajmitch also :) [11:56] how can you resize in opengl? [11:56] my problem is textures have to be n^2xm^2 [11:56] if you get my drift [11:56] I was resizing with PIL [11:57] but that's DOG SLOW [11:57] so when Amaranth showed me howmuch quicker a pixbuf.scale_simple was [11:57] i wondered if I could use a pixbuf to store the image.... [11:57] trouble is using the get_pixels method doesn't give the right format for use with openGL textureing [11:58] it needs to be RGBX [11:58] some images load....but display funny [11:58] one image loads ok but is flipped [11:58] and about 80 others just kill opengl [12:00] odd [12:00] yeh [12:00] but I just don't have time to fix it... :( was trying to get it in for feisty [12:02] best to get things working now [12:03] well i would if I could [12:04] ok, it can use bmps [12:04] so it must be a format thing [12:08] hmmm getting closer [12:08] but still doesn't like jpg of png [12:11] hmmm === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu [12:20] ajmitch: partial success [12:20] the images are still screwed up, but at least it's reading in all the images now [12:20] they're just in the wrong format [12:20] great [12:20] yeh [12:21] nevermind [12:21] back to real work [12:21] :( === ajmitch should get to bed so he can do real work in the morning [12:21] i think I'll be getting upat 5:30 in the morning again tomorrow [12:21] ouch [12:21] so I can get TCM finished [12:21] why the rush? [12:22] going to bed at about 12 -1 [12:22] well it's gotta be largely done by Feb 8th [12:22] FF date [12:22] it still has a long way to go? [12:22] well... [12:22] tbph I'm not sure what state it needs to be in for FF [12:22] mostly there [12:22] the vnc works [12:22] needs a little tweaking [12:22] it should be feature complete & not too buggy [12:22] um...backend system works... [12:22] exactly === ajmitch has a bit of work to do, but not that much [12:23] I'm scared I'm not gonna get it into that state [12:23] as I'm also writing the Edubuntu chapter for the official ubuntu book [12:23] and that has a deadline of Feb 8th too :p === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu [12:24] ouch [12:24] good luck :) [12:24] indeed [12:24] it's gonna be tough [12:24] really tough [12:38] ack, that's the 8th? [12:38] i thought it was the 20th [12:38] yeh me too [12:40] well I hoped at least [12:40] ogra thought it was later too ;) [12:41] sleep time, I can worry about code in the morning :) [12:41] nn ajmitch [12:46] goodnight ajmitch [12:58] ping ogra_ === pirast [n=martin@p508B2AC1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #edubuntu === Ram_ [n=Ram@c211-28-68-74.sunsh2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [01:22] hi all... does anyone of a website that lists edubuntu-based projects geared to primary education? === jinty [n=jinty@10.Red-83-58-118.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:09] highvoltage, can you check what my username is for edubuntu.org drupal site? :P [02:12] willvdl: ok [02:13] ah, got it somehow [02:13] weird. [02:14] YAY [02:14] volume control on thin clients works ! [02:14] ogra_, +++ [02:14] willvdl: ok :) I just got it [02:15] edubuntugirl: ogra++ [02:16] now to the input devices .... [02:20] highvoltage, had a long chat with pips1 on Friday [02:20] about what info should be in Drupal site and what in wiki [02:20] he reckons, apart from the front page, that we should put as much as possible in the wiki [02:20] what you think? [02:22] wiki is good [02:22] it means that more people can edit it [02:22] I read most of the conversation from friday, but only afterwards === kihai [n=sid@87.139.108.135] has joined #edubuntu [02:32] ah. did I leave it in the channel? [02:33] cool, anyway, Matt Nuzum want sto move ubuntu.com over to drupal somewhere mid-march I think [02:33] so I jsut want to check with him what kinds of info he wants in ubuntu.com and then we should look close at copying him I guess [02:34] Hi y'all! Anyone has an idea on how I can get the current cpu time of certain running processes? I want to write a cron script that will check regularly for the cpu time of the Xorg process on my Ltsp clients, and when it's >=95% I want to kill the process. But how can I read out the cpu time of processes with ps???? [02:36] HAHA! === cbx33 [i=c2df514b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-7fc01fbb7fd1f55e] has joined #edubuntu [02:36] instead of killing it, have you considered changing its priority? [02:36] maybe renicing it? [02:36] willvdl: there were lots of objection against drupal for edubuntu.org [02:37] willvdl: I'm quite surprised to see that it will be used for ubuntu.com [02:37] ping ogra_ [02:37] highvoltage, yeah. I image it is really just for keeping the static pages (front page), news tickers, download mirrors page (which is dynamic) and release notes or something [02:38] I read all of Phillips planning pages for drupal [02:39] silly question, but does the edubuntu council have an LP presence? [02:40] willvdl: Hmm, I'll give it a try, havent tested it so far... [02:41] kihai, processes can be cpu intensive. As long as they are not hogging the cpu from other key processes I wouldn't really worry about it [02:41] well, meaning I wouldn't kill it. [02:41] Maybe someone knows what could cause this prob. It's a Edgy Eft Server and when clients log off, sometimes the Xorg process hangs. Any ideas on what settings I could change to fix this? [02:43] willvdl: The problem is, that if the Xorg process is over 95%, the client hangs. [02:43] Ah, and Xorg restarts itself automatically when it's killed, so no worries there [02:43] how have you verified this? [02:45] it might be a combination of cpu usage, memory and network load. I doubt it is as simple as just a hungry process [02:45] When the client logs out, the screen goes grey, mouse and keyboard aren't reacting anymore and when I log on the hanging client with ssh then top shows me the Xorg process with >=95%. If I kill it, it restarts itself and the client is showing a new login screen. [02:45] willvdl: the edubuntu council is the administrators on the edubuntu-members page [02:46] ah. good point [02:47] ws looking at http://www.edubuntu.org/news/3. might need to adjust or simply move discussion page to wiki [02:52] highvoltage: did we do a fridge story on edubuntu and BETT? === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [02:56] highvoltage, is it as sweltering hot there as it is here? My potplants just caught alight... [02:57] hi all [03:04] hey [03:06] !seen Riched [03:06] I haven't seen riched recently [03:06] hm [03:06] juliux, he's recovering from travels [03:06] will be back tomorrow [03:06] willvdl, so he will be online in the next days? [03:06] yes. just feeling under the weather [03:07] !seen RichEd [03:07] I haven't seen riched recently [03:07] willvdl, thxs [03:07] hmmm, does ubotu care about case? [03:07] we will have a local edubuntu weekend in februar [03:08] and riched means that perhaps he will be in europe in feb [03:12] cbx33: no, thanks for the reminder, it went under the radar somehow, we should still put it up [03:12] willvdl: I've been in the office all day so I don't know what the temperature is outside [03:12] don't go. wait till dark then walk slowly [03:13] highvoltage, ask wetter.com;) [03:14] willvdl: ok :) [03:14] juliux: according to my gnome weather applet it's just 27C outside [03:14]