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manchickenWe need a vc-bzr for emacs12:53
Mezmanchicken, -> #bzr ;)12:55
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Hobbseemorning all02:25
Jucatomorning Hobbsee!02:26
freeflyingmoin Hobbsee Jucato02:26
Hobbsee:)02:26
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canllaithDoes anyone know how I can get the KDE display kcontrol module instead of the one provided by guidance?06:29
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Tm_Tcanllaith: Sorry, I have no idea.06:36
Tm_TBut good luck. :)06:37
canllaithThe .so file is still being installed but it wont run. The guidance one is quite broken and insists on forcing my display to 1024x768 which is really annoying.06:37
Tm_TBullying little kids, that's my job afterall. ->06:37
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canllaithheh06:38
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kwwiimoin09:03
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Jucatohi kwwii!09:07
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kwwiihowdy Jucato09:08
Jucatokwwii:09:08
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Jucatoer.. thanks for the tip on the Oxygen icons09:08
kwwiiJucato: no problem, let me know if I can help further09:08
Jucatokwwii: sure. I'm also looking for stuff to suggest/ask/recommend about them09:09
Jucatounfortunately, using them on KDE 3.5.6.. so... might not be very valid09:09
kwwiiwell, I am using it too, so it is more a point of the artwork than anyhting else at this point09:10
kwwiiwe haven't moved things to the new naming spec yet09:10
Jucatoah09:10
kwwiialthough you could certainly check that out and at least add theoretical bugs/ideas to that09:10
Jucatoso how about a question on an app not using the proper icon for the system tray?09:10
kwwiiwell, quite a few of those are still missing09:11
Jucatoer.. I better go to #kde-artists?09:11
kwwiia lot of that is due to duplicate icon names09:11
Jucatoaah09:11
Jucatoit's actually kget09:11
kwwiiif you find the icon in the oxygen theme itself and it does not appear where you think it should please let us know09:11
kwwiiwe should probably make a list of this stuff09:11
kwwiioften the icons shown in the panel have a different name than the app icon itself09:12
kwwiiI know that the kmix icon is the same09:12
kwwiiso it is still missing as well09:12
Jucatoyes. still crystal09:12
Jucatohow about the system tray icon for kget, when it's not downloading anything?09:12
Jucatohm.. I better get a screenshot09:13
canllaithhey kwwii09:13
kwwiiit is probably missing a state (ie...idle)09:13
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kwwiihi canllaith09:13
kwwiilol09:13
Jucatocanllaith: because of curry09:13
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Riddellcanllaith!09:14
canllaithRiddell!09:14
canllaithWhy are we yelling? :P09:14
kwwiiok, Donald, keep it down09:15
Jucatolol09:15
canllaithOh man, I so forgot how many channels I was in when I did that.09:15
Riddellcanllaith: well general surprise and pleasure at you joining kubuntu development09:15
canllaithI need to write lines. One I /nick to QueenCanllaith 'cause of a conversation I was having in #kdedocs and didn't realise I was in 12 (TWELVE) freenode channels *sob*09:15
canllaithRiddell: Well, I'm upstream! That counts!(right?)09:16
canllaithActually I was having some bugs. But I'll help fix them!09:16
Riddellyep09:16
Riddellcanllaith: and also general disapproval at you smoking09:16
canllaithI don't really smoke. At aKademy I bummed about 5 smokes off richmoore and one off kwwii09:16
canllaithand I haven't smoked since09:16
kwwiioh, yeah, blame me09:16
kwwiiI am fault for everyones' bad habits09:17
canllaithAgreed.09:17
canllaithHey, who was responsible for the new oxygen Konqueror action icons like back, forward, stop etc?09:17
kwwiiwell, at least I am good at something09:17
canllaithThey didn't seem to fit for ages then I did an svn up and whammo, new ones.09:17
kwwiilol, nuno made those09:17
canllaithThey're pretty. He's good at pretty.09:18
kwwiiwe have made quite a few of those09:18
kwwiiand I am pretty sure that he is sick of making arrows09:18
canllaithPoor lad.09:18
canllaithI'd help, but I don't think crayon would do you guys much good.09:18
kwwiiwell, everyone has their own opinions about arrows and they seem to be quite varied09:18
canllaithRiddell: in all seriousness, is there something specifically kubuntuish I could help out with? Or am I more likely to make a difference plodding along upstream ?09:18
kwwiihehe, only if your crayon can save svgs09:18
canllaithI can't do computer art to save my life. I sketch ok, but I have no idea how to adapt that to vector drawing programs :)09:19
canllaithoh and Riddell can I chat to you about the dot when you have a moment?09:20
kwwiiyeah, it takes some time to get used to vector programs09:20
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Riddellcanllaith: ooh, well, kubuntu docs always needs work09:25
canllaithk09:25
Riddellcanllaith: dot, sure, any time (mostly, I'm in a team meeting this week so may occationally be busy)09:26
canllaithI have some article ideas, basically09:26
Riddellexcellent!09:26
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Riddellmhb: there's your kopete bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14030709:45
UbugtuKDE bug 140307 in general "Kopete's balloon stops working with 3.5.6" [Normal,New] 09:45
Jucatomessage balloon? the one that pops up when someone sends a message bug the main window is closed?09:48
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Riddellnixternal: what needs doing in docs that canllaith can help with?09:59
Riddellping kwwii10:01
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canllaithThere is probably enough in KDE docs for me to do to be honest.10:05
canllaithWhat I'm looking for are smaller things to do with a clearly defined end. I already have a huge ongoing horrendously painful job being part of the KDE docs team :)10:06
Riddellcanllaith: if you work out why the heck our mouse cursor theme doesn't work in KDM (but do once logged in) I'll buy you a beer10:11
canllaithI don't drink beer, you could buy me a soy shake? :D10:11
Riddellor a glass of wine10:11
Riddellor whatever a soy shake is10:11
canllaithA milk shake made with soy milk instead of cow milk.10:11
canllaithI'll look, sure.10:12
Riddellprobably it needs whatever sets the theme file being in /etc/kde3 not /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/...10:13
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apokryphosRiddell: as a uk comp sci graduate ;-), what do you think is better for comp sci: York or Durham?10:21
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Riddellapokryphos: no idea, I quite liked York but then they didn't let me in so now I don't like them10:22
RiddellDurham is full of Oxbridge rejects from what I hear10:22
apokryphosRiddell: funny, same here :)10:22
Riddellnaturally I'd recommend Edinburgh10:22
apokryphosheh. My brother's applying now and he's got it down to those two. He's a Cambridge reject :O10:23
apokryphosgetting pooled is a cruel business 8)10:23
Riddelleither is fine, they're both nice cities (for England)10:24
apokryphosyeah10:24
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canllaithreject? Wow, I don't think that happens her10:29
canllaithhere*10:29
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Tonio_hi10:54
Riddellanyone else on feisty able to confirm that kcontrol menu doesn't work in feisty?10:55
Riddellor is Tonio_ right and it's just me being a freak?10:55
Tonio_Riddell: ;)10:57
Tonio_Riddell: retested here, works for me.... sorry ;)10:57
Tonio_Riddell: I just discovered a bunch of new improvements for kde, I'll show you for tests once 3.5.6 is officially in the repos10:58
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Riddell3.5.6 tomorrow hopefully10:59
RiddellTonio_: does the konqueror flash installer work for flash 9?10:59
Tonio_yup, I just have to change kds for this10:59
Tonio_Riddell: but that's an issue since that will not provide updates.....11:00
Riddelljust change the URL?11:00
Tonio_since there is no .deb management11:00
Tonio_Riddell: exactly11:00
Tonio_Riddell: we may try to fix the fix and use a script like the amarok-mp3 one no ?11:00
Riddellmm, so ideally it would know what version is installed and that a new version is available11:00
Tonio_Riddell: yeah but that's not very easy to do11:01
Riddellno11:02
Riddellusing adept_batch seems to make sense11:02
Riddelloh, that reminds me, I need to look at manchicken's patch for it11:02
Tonio_Riddell: looks like beeing removed from feisty actually.... don't know who did that11:03
Tonio_oups, no it's still in11:07
Tonio_Riddell: you wan watch ./Desktop/kds/kubuntu-default-settings-7.04/konqueror-profile/konq_plugins.xml11:08
Tonio_Riddell: no version management there11:08
Tonio_so to manage adept-batch, we would have to rewrite the patch from scratch11:09
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Riddellyeah :(11:12
Tonio_Riddell: any idea when 3.5.6 is beeing released ?11:21
Riddell09:59 < Riddell> 3.5.6 tomorrow hopefully11:23
Tonio_ho Riddell, concerning hplip, I have a debdiff, but don't know what to do....11:23
Riddelldebdiff for what?11:23
Tonio_fixes the desktop files11:24
Tonio_http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/4511:24
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Tonio_that maxes the kmenu clean once and for all ;)11:24
Tonio_s/maxes/makes11:24
Tonio_doesn't seem to have a ubuntu maintainer, since it is direct sync from debian11:25
Tonio_Riddell: do you think I can go with it ?11:25
Tonio_I also have dixes for bug 67113 and bug 6711311:27
UbugtuMalone bug 67113 in kdebase "K Menu naming scheme changed in 3.5.5 from 3.5.4" [Unknown,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6711311:27
Tonio_and bug 6742111:27
UbugtuMalone bug 67421 in firefox "Forefox crashes when trying to select a submenu on Sony.com" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6742111:27
Riddellit would be good to know what caused hplip to appear there11:27
Riddellwhich doesn't in edgy11:27
Tonio_Riddell: well the desktop file changed.....11:28
Tonio_that's it11:28
RiddellI also have GTK settings in that same place in the k-menu11:28
Tonio_Riddell: there were no desktop file for edgy11:28
Tonio_Riddell: yes but I fixed the gtk thing, you may have to dist-upgrade11:28
Riddellright11:28
Riddelldoes making it have Categories=Application;System;  change anything in Gnome?11:28
Riddells/OnlyShowIn=GNOME;XFCE/NotShowIn=KDE;/11:29
Tonio_Riddell: well I think gnome uses settings instead of system for configuration tools....11:29
RiddellOnlyShowIn is a list, it has to end with a ";"11:29
Tonio_hum true indeed.... :)11:29
Tonio_I fixed the desktop file11:30
Tonio_that's the point I did it that way11:31
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Tonio_"Settings" makes sense in gnome, but not in kde11:31
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Tonio_debdiff updated11:32
Tonio_sorry for the ";" missing11:32
Tonio_Riddell: but you really have an issue with your desktop files, since gtk-qt-engines is already fixed for a few days, and now only appears in systemsettings11:32
RiddellI've not done a dist-upgrade11:33
Riddellabattoir!11:33
Tonio_that may explain :)11:33
abattoirhi Riddell :)11:33
Riddellhow's oem-installer abattoir?11:33
abattoirRiddell: shall i put a mockup on the wiki? for UI review?11:33
Tonio_Riddell: so do you think I can go on with an upload for hplip ?11:33
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Riddellabattoir: please do11:35
abattoirRiddell: should i ping seele or someone?11:35
Riddellabattoir: sure, once they're up11:36
abattoir*someone else11:36
RiddellTonio_: what is Categories= just now?11:36
abattoirRiddell: ok, thanks11:36
RiddellCategories=Application;Settings;11:36
RiddellTonio_: what happens if it's changed to Categories=Application;Settings;System; ?11:36
Tonio_Riddell: it appears in both ;)11:36
Tonio_Riddell: already tested here11:36
Riddelldoes this get installed on ubuntu by default?  doesn't it use pyqt?11:37
Tonio_Riddell: only recommends pyqt, not depends11:37
Tonio_Riddell: and yes, installed by default11:37
Riddellerr, so how does it work without it?11:37
Tonio_Riddell: don't know, maybe only uses pyqt if installed, something like that11:38
Tonio_but installed by default, I can confirm that11:38
Tonio_otherwise I wouldn't have fix it11:38
Riddells/crappy/messy/11:39
Riddelland s/OnlyShowIn=GNOME;XFCE/NotShowIn=KDE;/  and upload11:39
Tonio_Riddell: Already done the change, I'm uploading, thanks ;)11:39
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Riddellhe he, gnome just comes up with an error when you run it11:49
Tonio_ah ?11:49
Tonio_well they'll fix it hopefully11:50
Tonio_works for us, that's the most important thing :)11:50
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Tonio_will probably write a howto in english then11:53
Tonio_Riddell: shouldn't we have a hardware database in the docs ?11:54
Tonio_that would be very usefull11:54
Tonio_there is a fantastic database on ubuntu-fr.org wiki11:54
Tonio_because browsing the web for supported printer is not an easy job, honnestly11:55
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Riddelllinuxprinting.org ?11:59
kwwiimhb: ping?11:59
Tonio_Riddell: concerning the compatibility yes, but that's plateform independant12:01
Tonio_installation process is sometimes linked to the distro, like for brother...12:01
Tonio_Riddell: that's the problem :)12:01
Tonio_kwwii: still there ? have a little question concerning kwin-style-crystal12:09
kwwiiTonio_: yepp, ask away12:10
kwwiierm, the style or the window deco?12:10
kwwiifunky, I wonder why they call it a kwin style12:10
kwwiianyway12:10
Tonio_kwwii: the windeco12:10
kwwiiyeah12:11
Tonio_kwwii: there seem to be a little uuencoded icon in the code12:11
Tonio_for the select box12:11
Tonio_what encoding is it exactly ?12:11
Tonio_kwwii: I'm preparing a little fix for the package to send it upstream, since we need that to upgrade....12:12
Tonio_kwwii: too to patch everything, since the full edgy theme upstream isn't the good one12:12
kwwiiTonio_: no idea, Riddell knows about that though12:12
Tonio_kwwii: ah12:12
kwwiiif I remeber correctly they were all uuencoded12:12
Tonio_kwwii: simple uuencode ?12:13
Tonio_okay I'm testing12:13
kwwiiTonio_: yeah, I think so12:13
RiddellTonio_: it's just normal uuencoding12:14
Riddelluudecode foo.uu12:14
Tonio_Riddell: okay so I'll fix12:14
Tonio_Riddell: latest email sent upstream didn't have all the required infos, should be okay this time12:14
Tonio_I hope they'll accept the changes so that we'll be able to sync12:14
Tonio_Riddell: my patches also include the full feisty tree, in addition to the fixed edgy one12:15
Tonio_Riddell: that's not uu encoding.... looks more like base6412:16
Tonio_Riddell: look configdialog.ui arround line 220012:16
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Tonio_it's not even base64, there is only hex caracters for the icon....12:17
Tonio_so it's base16 or something.... don't know how to rencode this12:18
Tonio_Riddell, kwwii: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/4612:19
Tonio_don't know what exactly this is12:19
kwwiiwell, it looks like a good bit of encoded data12:20
Riddellif it's .ui that's a qt designer file12:20
kwwii:p12:20
Tonio_Riddell: any simple way to rencode a png to replace this ?12:20
Tonio_I said simple way :)12:20
Riddellwhy would you need to?12:20
Riddelljust send the .ui file diff12:21
Tonio_Riddell: because the provided icon for edgy/feisty isn't the good one12:21
Tonio_it is the one we had during the dev cycle, before ken fixed everything12:21
Tonio_Riddell: yeah but should I need qtdesigner to recode the good icon ?12:22
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Riddellah12:24
Riddellwell open the file in designer and edit12:24
Tonio_Riddell: just done, but I was a bit affraid ;)12:28
Tonio_doesn't look that hard in fact hehe :)12:28
Tonio_Riddell: building, is everything is okay I'll re-email upstream, with you in CC, so I hope we'll have that in the archives soon12:30
Tonio_Riddell: btw, I can make an horrible diff for the current debian package and upload, but that's evil ;)12:31
Tonio_too many binary changes to maintain12:31
Riddelldon't bother, no point12:35
Tonio_Riddell: okay to CC then :)12:35
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Tonio_kwwii, Riddell: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/capture3.png it is okay this time ;)12:38
kwwiiTonio_: nifty12:38
Riddellwhy is feisty different from edgy?12:40
Tonio_different ? it is not12:41
Riddellkwwii: turn that off!12:41
Tonio_Riddell: just the focus :)12:42
Riddellthat's not work!12:42
kwwii:p12:42
Tonio_Riddell: at the moment edgy and feisty are identical12:42
kwwiiif I got it from someone at work, it is work12:42
Tonio_Sascha Hlusiak<spam84@nurfuerspam.de>12:42
Tonio_is that really upstream email ? :)12:42
RiddellTonio_: I don't see a point in including two identicle themes12:43
RiddellTonio_: I seem to remember it worked12:43
Tonio_Riddell: well... doesn't that sound strange using edgy theme on feisty ?12:43
Riddellnot if it's the same theme :)12:43
Tonio_hum.... okay12:43
Tonio_so I can remove the feisty branch and only include corrected edgy12:44
Riddellyeah12:44
Tonio_in that case I can take the debian package and provide a big diff12:44
Tonio_and email yhe patch upstream12:44
Tonio_s/yhe/the12:44
Tonio_okay doing this12:44
Tonio_Riddell: I'll fix kds too, since there is a few changes required for this to work too12:44
Tonio_Riddell: I may rename the theme to "Kubuntu Edgy/Feisty" then12:46
Tonio_sounds better12:46
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Riddellyes12:47
Tonio_okay let's merge with debian now !:12:49
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Tonio_Riddell: uploaded, fixing kds to fit with it now01:24
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Tonio_hi Hobbsee ;)01:26
Hobbsee:)01:26
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Tonio_Riddell: wouldn't it be a good idea to ship with it ? it is incredibly good, especially with konqueror freezes on hudge file list upload/download01:32
Tonio_Size: 1136558 -> sounds reasonable01:33
Tonio_and since lots of people are complaning there is no good ftp client for kde (they all know kasablanca and kbear only), that would make their life easier in my opinion :)01:34
Tonio_LOL, just read the french prices for vista ;)01:35
Tonio_that's a pure JOKE !01:35
Tonio_Home Basic : 240,0001:36
Tonio_Home Premium : 360,0001:36
Tonio_Business : 445,0001:36
Tonio_Ultimate : 575,0001:36
Tonio_OMG !01:36
Tonio_that's good for us01:36
Hobbseeouch!01:36
Hobbseepresumably , means . in most countries?  ie 240 pounds?01:36
Tonio_probably yes01:36
Tonio_the evidence that monopolistic position is evil01:37
Hobbseeindeed01:37
Tonio_that shows that it'll be very hard to crack too01:40
Tonio_to display such prices, they certainly have an eveil protection inside01:40
Tonio_evil01:40
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RiddellTonio_: we don't have space for more applications, especially not ones that duplicate what we already have02:07
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Riddellhola Hobbsee02:10
Hobbsee:)02:10
Tonio_Riddell: I can understand indeed ;)02:12
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Riddellraphink: you went to hungary?02:16
Tonio_Riddell: it was just in case of we had more freespace thanI thought :)02:17
RiddellI'm totally unconvinced by polyester02:17
HobbseeRiddell: why so?02:18
Tonio_Riddell: for your information, I may give a try at http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=49765 once 3.5.6 is released02:18
Tonio_it makes it possible to theme the contact list and it'll probably be merged with kde402:18
RiddellHobbsee: I just think it's ugly02:19
Riddellso someone else needs to do the main inclusion report :)02:20
HobbseeRiddell: hah.  right02:20
Tonio_Riddell, Hobbsee: I'll probably also include this : http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=51691 , that's very usefull02:20
HobbseeRiddell: well, really, i'ts someone like kwwii's choice, as where he goes with it02:20
HobbseeTonio_: neat!  :)02:21
Tonio_Hobbsee: the second is very usefull02:21
Hobbseeof course, having a multimedia keyboard, i wouldnt need it - but it's very useful for the people that dont02:21
Tonio_it's a pain disabling sound in kde compared to windows02:21
RiddellHobbsee: kwwii wants it02:21
Tonio_the kde-improvement section of kde-apps is very usefull :)02:21
RiddellTonio_: I can't work out what that does02:21
kwwiiwell, either that or polyester02:21
kwwiiand several others want is as well, not just me :p02:22
Tonio_Riddell: disable sound via a simple middle click on the systray icon to disable all sounds02:22
kwwiiand you better be nice or I'll do something nasty to you in your sleep02:22
HobbseeRiddell: ahhh.  and mhb iirc.02:22
raphinkRiddell: yes I did02:22
kwwii:p02:22
Tonio_Riddell: currently we don't have an easy way to mute kmix02:22
raphinkRiddell: why?02:22
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HobbseeRiddell: it's more shiny :P02:22
RiddellTonio_: I ment the kopete one02:22
HobbseeRiddell: depends which colours it's in, of course02:23
Riddellraphink: just saw it on planet02:23
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raphinkok :)02:23
raphinkthat was a few months ago though02:23
Tonio_Riddell: well there is no way to theme the contact list with kopete02:24
kwwiiHobbsee: note that I only want to change the style, not the window deco02:24
Tonio_Riddell: with that patch you can, and there is also a very nice theme provided02:24
Tonio_Riddell: I'd like to test that and get people feeling about it02:24
Tonio_Riddell: note that we can just not activate the theme by default02:24
Riddelloh, I see, scroll to right02:25
Riddellthe contact list was not in the window02:25
Tonio_that's it ;)02:25
Riddellyeah, sure, go ahead, but wait for 3.5.602:25
Tonio_that's my point yes02:25
Hobbseekwwii: how does that work?  oh, only the buttons and all that?02:25
Riddellwhich is probably going to be delayed now due to kopete no-bubbles bug02:25
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Hobbseeyes....i noted it had no bubbles...02:26
Tonio_Riddell: did you had the kwallet patch to kdelibs ?02:26
RiddellTonio_: not yet02:26
kwwiiHobbsee: select the old crystal window deco and use polyester as style02:26
Hobbseeyep02:26
Hobbseekwwii: ahh, right, yeah, that's what i do already :)02:26
kwwii;-)02:27
kwwiiHobbsee: but I removed a lot of the extra options02:27
Tonio_Riddell: okay, if you don't I'll do after the packages reach the repo02:27
kwwiiso it looks much simpler than the default polyester style02:27
Hobbseekwwii: ahhh :)02:28
Jucatopolyester windeco isn't as beautiful as its style...02:28
Hobbseeindeed02:29
kwwiimainly I want to use the tabs and buttons from polyester02:29
Hobbseeyep :D02:30
Tonio_http://chl.be/vista/02:31
Tonio_oups.... http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html02:31
Tonio_sorry, but that's important enough to be read02:31
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Tonio_can be the end of open specs for hardware...02:33
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Tonio_Riddell: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=203628935744600364503:03
Tonio_Riddell: raphink conference at Hungarian Ubuntu Conferece 200603:04
jdongcan someone add php5-cli to recommends or suggests (or maybe depends?) for KTorrent?03:15
jdongthe bundled but off-by-default web interface plugin requires php5-cli as a interpretor03:15
Tonio_Riddell: I noticed kdenetwork ftbfs on feisty, how did you build the package ?03:15
Tonio_Riddell: with pbuilder I get : cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde3/libkcm_kcmsambaconf.la': No such file or directory03:15
Tonio_src package from your repo03:15
Riddelldon't think I've seen such problems when doing 3.5.603:16
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freeflyingTonio_: after you upload kchmviewer, it works on ppc now03:31
Tonio_freeflying: that was the goal :)03:33
freeflyingTonio_:03:34
freeflying* Fixed debian/rules, removed dpatch stuff in it since there is no03:34
freeflying    more patches to apply03:34
freeflyingthis make it work?03:34
Tonio_not that only, it also needed rebuilt03:35
Tonio_but yes, one of the patch could cause issues03:35
Tonio_Riddell: I was thinking of kde-systemsettings03:35
Tonio_there is no other solution for external apps than to patch them to go in the right place, due to the edgy sections rearrangement03:35
Tonio_Riddell: here is the list of apps I should look at the enable them in kss :03:36
Tonio_ggz-kde-client, gtk2-engines-gtk-qt, kaddressbook, kamera,kat, kbfx, kcmpureftpd, kdelirc, kdetoys-dbg, kdf, kgamma, kleopatra, kmldonkey, kmrml, knemo, knetworkconf, kpilot, krec, krfb, ksplash, ksynaptics, ktalkd, kttsd, kview, kwalletmanager, kweather, kwifimanager, lisa, skim03:36
Tonio_I'm ready to patch them all, just wait you confirm you are okay on the rationnale03:36
Tonio_some of them are to be removed, like knetworkconf, sorry03:36
Tonio_but apps like knemo or kmldonkey shold really be patched03:36
Tonio_krfb too03:37
Hobbseenight all!03:37
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RiddellTonio_: why can't system settings menu have the include categories in it?03:37
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Tonio_Riddell: cause if we do that we'll recreate a hudge mess03:37
Tonio_Riddell: we don't use the same categories03:38
Tonio_ex : fonts manager and installer are under appearance, while they use 2 different sections in kcontrol03:38
Tonio_Riddell: if we include the kcontrol categories, we'll have duplicates everywhere.....03:38
Tonio_Riddell: patching those apps is easy and I'll put a debian-ubuntu-differences in the package, for further merges...03:38
Riddellbut it's so inelegant!03:39
Tonio_Riddell: well if we can get the patches merged....03:39
Riddelland we should have a decent solution for KDE 403:39
Tonio_yes on that point I agree, but for kde3 there is no other solution03:39
Tonio_so as feisty is the latest released kde3, I think we should take time patching those universe things no ?03:40
Tonio_and rediscuss kss structure for kde403:40
Tonio_Riddell: _Sime included a categories list that we can use to easilly include kcm modules in it, that's what I wanna use in fact ;)03:40
Tonio_Riddell: note that it's not worse than all the universe I patched for rosetta :)03:42
Tonio_it is just a matter of patching for what is specific in kubuntu, and that was not inelegant too :)03:42
Tonio_lots of people are complaning they can't find their installed modules in systemsettings, that's the problem03:42
Tonio_kwallet for example should be there in "advanced"03:43
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Tonio_Riddell: want me to patch or do you prefer discussing a better solution with _Sime ?03:45
Tonio_Riddell: but if _Sime did that that way it's because there is unfirtunatelly no better solution....03:46
RiddellTonio_: so sime has a list of categories that should be used in KDE 4?03:46
RiddellTonio_: what's the difference between that and what you're doing by patching everything?03:46
Tonio_Riddell: he has a list of categories so that we can include anything just by patching the desktop file of the kcm module03:46
Riddellmm, right03:47
Tonio_Riddell: I'm patching the kcm desktop files to add the kss category in it03:47
Riddellok03:47
Tonio_since we cannot use the kcontrol ones, as we are changing most of them....03:47
Tonio_Riddell: it is a matter of one hour not more, and feisty will have it... although it could be better :)03:48
Riddellok, do it03:48
Tonio_Riddell: let's go !03:49
Riddellbut why can't we just do for Advanced User Settings include all categories?03:49
Riddelland exclude stuff that we want elsewhere?03:49
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Riddellhello stdin03:53
stdinhi Riddell03:53
jdong<jdong> can someone add php5-cli to recommends or suggests (or maybe depends?) for KTorrent?03:54
jdong the bundled but off-by-default web interface plugin requires php5-cli as a interpretor03:54
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alleeTonio_: knemo patched? I've seen no kde-extras commit *me hides;)*.  Is it kubuntu specific?03:58
Tonio_allee: yeah03:59
Tonio_allee: integration to systemsettings03:59
Tonio_not of any use for debian03:59
Tonio_mbiebl: hey ;)04:00
mbieblTonio_: hi04:00
Tonio_mbiebl: thanks again for your help on knetworkmanager, your patches have been greatly appreciated04:00
Tonio_mbiebl: received my email concerning improvement ideas for the autostart patch ?04:00
mbieblYes. I think it's a good idea to have this dialog box an application shutdown.04:01
Riddelljdong: web interface?04:01
Riddellwibble04:01
Tonio_mbiebl: yup, and knetworkmanager should enable autostart when you start it04:01
Tonio_so that you reproduce the session thing04:01
Tonio_that's the way kde apps do04:02
mbieblI thought so too.04:02
mbieblWell, some apps behave differently in that aspect.04:02
Tonio_mbiebl: yes, I agree, but kerry, korganizer daemon are like that, and I think that's really efficient04:02
mbieblyeah, I think having the dialog on shutdown and automatically setting Autostart=yes on application startup is the best.04:03
mbiebladept_notifier is a bit different.04:03
mbieblIt explicitely asks you on startup, if you want to reenable autostart.04:04
Riddellit does?04:04
Riddelloh, when autostart is turned off04:04
Riddellignore me04:04
Tonio_mbiebl: yup true04:04
Tonio_mbiebl: but auto-reanabling autostart and ask on shutdown is probably the best way in my opinion04:05
mbieblAnd there is one kde app (don't remember anymore), where you have to start it, stop it (so the dialog box comes up again) and then you can reenable autostart04:05
mbieblTonio_: agreed.04:05
Tonio_mbiebl: ah ? don't know that last app :)04:05
Tonio_mbiebl: talking about that, there is also a problem with knetorkmanager and kwallet, and a patch has been release04:06
Tonio_debian should implement the patch I think..04:06
Tonio_but that's not kde-extras so...04:06
mbieblIs this a patch for k-n-m or kdelibs?04:06
Tonio_kdelibs04:07
Tonio_mbiebl: kwallet doesn't save passwords on logout since 3.5.504:07
Tonio_that's a kded issue04:07
jdongRiddell: yep, KTorrent 2.1 has a web interface plugin04:07
Tonio_but that only affects kwallet, and there is a good workarround04:07
Riddelljdong: sounds evil04:07
jdongRiddell: :) it04:07
jdongit's starting to sound like kazureus, no?04:08
jdong:D04:08
Riddelljdong: what does it do?04:08
Tonio_mbiebl: see kde bug 13641104:08
UbugtuKDE bug 136411 in kwallet "KWallet loses new passwords when closed since XML file import" [Normal,New]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13641104:08
mbieblTonio_: I think it's best if you pass this info directly to th qt-kde Debian team (given that they not already no this problem)04:08
jdongRiddell: it allows torrents to be added, started, stopped from a HTTP web interface04:08
Tonio_Riddell: same thing than the amule web plugin04:08
Tonio_jdong: that's not started by default right ?04:08
Riddelljdong: but.. but..  why?!04:08
jdongTonio_: no, it's not default; you have to load the plugin04:08
RiddellI mean it's a GUI app04:08
jdongRiddell: remote control04:08
Riddellit's on your desktop04:09
jdongRiddell: some people use ktorrent remotely04:09
jdongon a dedicated torrenting box04:09
Riddellssh -X  :)04:09
jdongRiddell: that doesn't work because you have to keep the SSH client machine turned on too :)04:09
Tonio_Riddell: bah were is the problem ? as long as it's not default :)04:09
Tonio_Riddell: when you're in a company, ssh isn't nated04:09
Tonio_http is through a proxy :)04:09
mbieblTonio_: I'll update the k-n-m autostart patch and will send it to you again, when it's done.04:10
Riddellssh-over-https04:10
Tonio_that's why I use things like that to access my computer :)04:10
Tonio_Riddell: that's SLOW ! :)04:10
Tonio_mbiebl: okay thanks you very much04:10
Tonio_mbiebl: I'll wait for that patch to provide an edgy update04:10
RiddellTonio_: want to make the ktorrent change then or shall I?04:10
mbieblTonio_: ok04:10
Tonio_Riddell: bah it's not default, what should we change ?04:11
jdongTonio_: it  should at least be a recommends/suggests....04:11
Tonio_Riddell: you want to patch to remove that functionnality ?04:11
jdongTonio_: else users get puzzling errors about missing interpretors....04:11
Tonio_jdong: is that different package ?04:11
RiddellSuggests: php5-cli04:11
jdongTonio_: no, it's integrated into ktorrent04:11
jdongas a plugin04:11
Tonio_ah that's php5-cli thing ?04:12
jdongyep04:12
Tonio_okay I'm doing the change :)04:12
Riddellcool, mind and poke the debian maintainer too04:12
jdongcool, thanks04:12
Tonio_Riddell: recommends is probably better no ?04:12
RiddellI'd be hesitant to recommend a local unscruitinised php script04:12
Tonio_hum, true.... let's go with suggest04:12
Tonio_Riddell: I'm also removing isohunt from the engines list as the site has been closed04:13
seaLnehave any default settings changed for konq recently? i seem to have lost location toolbar and its not an option in toolbars menu?04:13
Tonio_seaLne: no change on my side04:13
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Tonio_seaLne: happened to me once, you have to delete your konquerorrc....04:14
RiddellseaLne: nothing should have changed.  works for me in herd 204:14
seaLnei had to restart konq about an hour ago due to crappy javascript on a website and since then menus are in a strange order (settings,help,file,edit,view,tools) and no location bar04:15
seaLneits weird and annoying, also no bookmarks toolbar04:16
Tonio_jdong: uploaded04:20
Tonio_Riddell: I'll ping debian ktorrent upstream when they'll have 2.104:28
jdongTonio_: cool, thx a lot :)04:28
Tonio_they still only have 2.0.3 at the moment, looks like they're waiting for the stable release to be out04:29
Tonio_jdong: you're welcome :)04:29
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jdong<editorialize> it's too bad for all the debian sid users.. because IMO 2.1rc1 is already a lot more stable/functional than 2.0.3</editorialize>04:29
RiddellTonio_: may as well ping him now04:30
Riddellrequest from Oslo: get rid of k3b sucessful burn sound04:31
jdongRiddell: I will agree with that; but it might be better if the burn sound was a bit shorter? :D04:31
Riddellor just gone04:32
jdongthe 15-second triumphant bugle sequence might be a tad excessive....04:32
apokryphosyeah, but it's so very funny the first few times 8)04:32
jdongperhaps it was more appropriate when cdrecord was more flaky?04:32
Tonio_Riddell: just writing the email04:32
jdongTonio_: btw, isohunt is back up :)04:34
yuriyapokryphos: or the first..one..time04:34
apokryphosyuriy: it still makes my dad laugh ;-)04:34
jdongyuriy: I find it mildly entertaining but it definitely startled a bunch of new Linux users I showed k3b to!04:34
jdongthen they started taking jabs at how Nero should play that sound too... except users would never hear it :D04:35
Tonio_jdong: ah ?04:35
Tonio_already ?04:35
jdongTonio_: yeah. those guys are fast :)04:35
Tonio_jdong: okay I'll depatch.......... grrrr04:35
jdonghehe :)04:35
Riddellquestion from jjesse: is there anything we want added to the Official Ubuntu Book for feisty?04:35
Tonio_was dead 2 days ago....04:35
apokryphossnippets from the KDE userguide?04:36
apokryphosI guess it depends on how much you can really add though04:36
Tonio_Riddell: documenting the multimedia changes (how to rip a cd...) would be nice04:36
jdongTonio_: yeah, they were down most of last week04:36
Tonio_since some people may be surprised by kaudiocreator missing, as they don't know k3b can do the job04:37
Riddellmm, yes04:38
alleeTonio_: KubuntuMultimediaSimplification: amarok versus kaffeine for audio.  Was this patching desktop files, about adding Priority= field?04:39
Tonio_allee: because keeping to many files associations is a mess in the konqueror context menu....04:40
Tonio_allee: no ?04:40
Tonio_allee: you would suggest just to change the priority and let kaffeine associated to audio files ?04:42
alleeTonio_: I've two in konqi RMB menu, amarok an kaffeine.  Is this too much?  I wondered if adding priority to only amarok so it's prefered independent of install order was already considered.04:43
Tonio_allee: didn't thought about that..... why not....04:44
Tonio_allee: how do you change that in the desktop file ?04:44
Tonio_allee: I only know how to do that in kde settings, but that's a pain to manage.....04:45
Tonio_allee: I don't know the required tag in fact04:45
alleeTonio_: you don't? ;)  mhmm I remembered something like that commited to kde_branch35.  I'll search ...04:46
Tonio_There should be no priority for MIME Types in this field, or any form of priority in the desktop file04:46
Tonio_allee: from freedesktop.org......04:46
alleeoh04:46
Tonio_allee: I previously changed that in kds, but maintaining this is really horrible04:46
Tonio_that's why I changed this :)04:47
Tonio_but if you know a trick to manage priorities in desktop files mimetypes, let me know, I'd be glad to do that way04:47
Tonio_Priority for applications is handled external to the .desktop files04:48
Tonio_confirmed in the desktop file spec on freedesktop..... sorry allee :)04:48
Tonio_http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html04:49
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MezTonio_, fancy sponsoring a main upload? of katapult ?04:54
Tonio_Mez: sure04:54
Tonio_Mez: where is the pckage ?04:54
Mezjust building now04:55
Tonio_Mez: okay let me know, I'll revu and upload04:56
RiddellMez: new upstream release?04:57
MezRiddell, indeed :D04:58
Mezreleasing 0.3.204:58
RiddellMez: does it include spelling catalogue?04:58
MezRiddell: unfortunately: yes04:59
Riddellwhy unfortunately?04:59
Mez;) cause it's a PITA:P04:59
Riddellin which way?04:59
Mezit's caused me headaches with compiles before05:00
Mezit's ok now though05:00
RiddellMez: will the version in KDE SVN be updated?05:01
MezRiddell, KDE svn = 0.405:01
Mez0.3.2 is a few bugfixes to 0.3.1.4 + a couple of extra catalogues05:01
Riddellso where is that maintained?05:01
Mezbranches / bzr05:02
Riddellwhat's the point of having the unstable in KDE SVN and the stable in bzr?05:02
Riddellhow are translators ment to find the stable version?05:02
MezRiddell, because 0.3.2 was an afterthough05:03
Mez(and 0.3.2 is in KDE/branches/katapult/0.3.205:03
Mezhttp://websvn.kde.org/branches/katapult/0.3.2/05:04
Tonio_Riddell: good point is that a few upstream seem to integrate systemsettings tags05:06
Tonio_knemo upstream does it, that's cool :)05:06
RiddellMez: shouldn't it be in branches/stable so scripty can find it?05:08
MezRiddell... it will be - give me time ;)05:08
RiddellI can't find 0.4 in SVN05:08
Jucatotrunk/extragear/utils05:09
alleeTonio_: knemo? upstream didn't ;)05:10
seaLneanyone going to fosdem?05:10
Tonio_allee: bah I can see it in the sources.....05:10
MezRiddell, trunk/extragear/utils/katapult/05:10
Tonio_allee: who did it in that case ? that's not in a patch afaics05:10
alleeTonio_: sorry found nothing about this prio stuff anymore.  I'm sure there was something becasuse I wanted it to downgrade showfoto with it :(05:11
alleeTonio_: it was me :)05:11
Tonio_allee: ah okay great ;)05:11
mhbkwwii: I'm here for a short time05:12
mhbkwwii: what's up?05:12
kwwiiwell, we are looking into using polyester05:12
alleeTonio_: but I gave the author the honour: ... Fix from Anthony Mercatante. Thx.05:13
kwwiiand I was wondering if we could look into changing the border on active items when selected per keyboard?05:13
kwwiiwhen selected with the keyboard, tabs and buttons get a smaller border around them05:13
kwwiiI was wondering if we could make it about one pixel bigger and/or perhaps a bit lighter05:14
kwwiiI checked the config in systemsettings and I cannot do it there05:14
Tonio_allee: bah... thanks ;)05:14
kwwiiother than that I am really happy with it05:14
mhbkwwii: can you do a screenshot for me?05:15
kwwiimhb: yeah, I can05:16
mhbkwwii: surely I can look into that, I was not able to reproduce it now but of course05:16
mhbkwwii: that's why I want to see what you mean05:16
kwwiilol, one more thing, ever written a MainInclusionReport?05:16
mhbkwwii: nope05:17
kwwiiwell, there is always time to learn :-)05:17
kwwiiif we want this in kubuntu we need to write one ;-)05:17
mhbkwwii: okay, I'll look into that too05:18
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kwwiimhb: http://sinecera.de/btn_text_hilit.png05:21
Tonio_Riddell: don't we want krfb in systemsettings network/shares ?05:21
Tonio_seems to e the right place for it05:21
kwwiimhb: note how the help button has a border inside of the button05:21
kwwiithat happens when you tab through the interface05:21
RiddellTonio_: we want it in krfb05:21
kwwiithe active element has a box like that05:21
Riddelland it's in krfb05:22
Riddellso keep it out of system settings05:22
kwwiimhb: but it is a little too close to the icon and text05:22
kwwiiand/or a bit too dark05:22
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Jucatokwwii: yep, that doesn't look too good.05:22
Tonio_Riddell: okay05:23
Tonio_Riddell: no problem that's why I was asking05:24
Tonio_I remember that was in systemsettings with dapper, that's why I asked05:24
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mhbkwwii: thanks for the information ... I hope I'll find the time for that within a few days05:25
kwwiicool ;-) me too05:26
kwwiiI am guess that making the inclusion report is not that hard05:26
seaLneweirdly i started konq for a 3rd time and i have my menus back :)05:26
kwwiinot as hard as making it look perfecgt ;-)05:26
RiddellseaLne: it's just playing games with you05:27
seaLne:)05:27
mhbkwwii: was it something I said that made you talk Engrish? :o)05:28
kwwiilol05:28
kwwiinope05:28
kwwiityping too quick05:28
seaLneRiddell: you've been to fosdem haven't you? any recomendations on where to stay?05:30
Mezwhen does 3.5.6 hit feisty ?05:31
RiddellseaLne: stay in the youth hostel with the kde people05:32
RiddellMez: delayed.  when kopete gets fixed05:32
Riddellor kwin or whatever is causing the problem05:32
seaLneRiddell: which one?05:32
Mezlol05:32
Mezkk05:32
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RiddellseaLne: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=FOSDEM200705:33
Riddell"Jacques Brel youth hostel."05:33
RiddellseaLne: e-mail wendy and see if you can still join their booking05:34
seaLneJacques Brel is full05:35
Riddelloh, fooey05:35
seaLnei got bored and decide i needed a holiday, so a bit late in deciding to go05:36
Riddellbrussel's doesn't have a shortage of youth hostels05:38
Riddells/'//05:39
seaLneyeah having a look at http://www.fosdem.org/2007/practical/accomodation05:39
Riddelltrick is finding one near the uni and with interesting geeky people I guess05:39
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apokryphosso many talks; looks awesome :). Will there be a kubuntu stand?05:41
Riddellapokryphos: where are you staying?05:41
Riddellapokryphos: no kubuntu stand, but would be good to have lots of kubuntu CDs there05:41
MezRiddell: any idea what just caused this05:41
RiddellMez: which?05:41
Mezhttp://rafb.net/p/4yjEVh33.html05:42
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apokryphosRiddell: yaloki was telling me to go to Novotel, since Novell may pay :D, but my brother's coming along to, so staying in a hostel (most probably) with some Warwick LUG guys05:42
RiddellMez: no idea05:42
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seaLneapokryphos: which hostel you thinking about?05:43
apokryphosso cheap compared to London, but I don't expect anything less :P05:43
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seaLneapokryphos: http://www.fosdem.org/2007/practical/accomodation05:44
apokryphosI'm not sure if we got it from there05:44
apokryphosaha, it is http://www.jeugdherbergen.be/jeugdherbergen/brussel/mainE.htm05:45
Mezwheres the kde admin dir in svn ?05:45
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apokryphoseurostar is so awesome: Waterloo (a few minutes walk away) -> all the way to Brussels =)05:46
RiddellMez: it doesn't exist in KDE 405:46
MezRiddell, so - I want it to update it ;)05:47
Mezit's gotta be there somewhere05:47
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Riddellhttp://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kde-common/admin/05:53
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Riddellkwwii: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/libflashplayer.so06:06
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Tonio__Sime or sebas: ping ?06:39
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Tonio_Riddell: herd VLC was going to qt ? :)07:04
Tonio_s/herd/heard07:04
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jdongTonio_: boo... bad herd joke... I already _herd 2_ many of those07:47
jdongTonio_: but yeah, SVN is migrating to qt407:47
Tonio_jdong: that's very nice :)07:47
Tonio_just hope it'll be released soon :)07:48
jdongha. feisty+1 at best optimism :)07:49
jdongnot to mention the lovely tangled web we'd like to call our ffmpeg stack :D07:49
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RiddellTonio_: ooh, where?08:09
Tonio_Riddell: on the svn, it is announced for version 0.908:10
Tonio_Riddell: nothing released at the moment of course :)08:10
RiddellTonio_: qt4?08:10
Tonio_Riddell: yep08:10
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Tonio_Riddell: can I implement adept_batch_finish.diff patch from manchicken ?09:36
Tonio_I will send you the dibdiff09:36
RiddellTonio_: implement?  you mean upload?09:38
Tonio_Riddell: yup09:38
Riddellplease do09:38
Tonio_okay working on this right now09:38
Tonio_just finisking the kcmpureftpd first :)09:39
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elcucoHi, any faw/howto about l10n?10:01
Riddell?10:01
Riddellwhich part of it?10:01
elcucobasically, i am working on kde's tree, and i need to overwrite kubuntu's translation10:02
Riddellchange a string in the source?  or in a translation?10:02
elcucono, the po files :)10:03
Riddellwell translations are done in rosetta10:03
elcucoyes, i know, but soon the translations on rosseta will be obsolete10:04
elcucosson, as in 20 minutes10:04
Riddellwhat happens in 20 minutes?10:04
elcucoi commit some hebrew translations :)10:04
Riddellto where?10:04
elcucobranches/stable/l10n/he on svn.kde.org10:05
elcucowhich means kubuntu is out of shape10:05
Riddellit'll come in with the next KDE release10:05
Riddellbut that's probably after feisty10:05
elcucothats bad for me.10:06
Riddellso you can upload the .po to rosetta10:06
elcucook. i will also need to fill in the missing gaps in kubuntu. ok. whats my deadline?10:06
Riddellhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyReleaseSchedule10:07
Riddellabout a week before final release10:07
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elcucoso i have time, cool.10:07
elcucowhats the way of handling i10n on stable releases? i assume i cuold fix some things on the translations in edgy10:08
elcuco(sorry for the n00b questions)10:08
Riddellyes, you can  doing translations in edgy10:10
Riddelllanguage packs are uploaded every few weeks10:10
elcucowhen is the next sync? I just spotted some ugly translation oops on an application i use, and I would like to remove it10:11
elcucook, now a lunchpad question: i have some several accounts on launchpad, since i used several emails on the translation. i would like to remove all of those besides one. how shuold i do this?10:13
Riddellno idea when10:13
Riddellmerge the accounts10:13
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Tonio_manchicken: just added your latest adept patch to the package, thanks !10:27
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manchickenTonio_: Sweet.  That's #3.10:45
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yuriywhoa crazy looking windeco11:13
yuriywas it changed or did my crystal just randomly reset itself? it's transparent now and has default buttons instead of kubuntu11:15
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Tonio_yuriy: hu ?11:53
Tonio_yuriy: on feisty ?11:53
yuriyyeah11:53
Tonio_yuriy: what does this report :11:54
Tonio_find ~/.kde | grep crystal11:54
Tonio_do you have a kwincrystalrc file ?11:54
Tonio_yuriy: it's correct here, your kwincrystal file is probably corrupted....11:55
Tonio_yuriy: try delete it and that should work11:55
yuriyTonio_: it's there, modified 3 days ago.. strange11:55
Tonio_yuriy: okay delete it and restart a kde app11:56
Tonio_should work this time11:56
yuriyTonio_: i deleted it, logged out and back in and it didn't get recreated11:58
Tonio_that's normal it should use the default kubuntu-default-settings new11:58
Tonio_now11:58
Tonio_be sure to be up to date and that should work11:58
yuriyhmm but it's still crystal default, not kubuntu default11:59
Tonio_yuriy: let me test12:00
Tonio_yuriy: works here....12:01
Tonio_can you mgive me a screenshot please ?12:01
Tonio_and what is your kubuntu-default-settings version ?12:01
Tonio_Version: 1:7.04-1012:01
Tonio_that what I have12:01
yuriyTonio_: i have the same version12:03
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yuriyTonio_: http://www.yktech.us/crystal.jpg12:05
Tonio_doesn't make sense12:06
Tonio_what if you launch adept ?12:06
Tonio_adept runs as root and therefore will use the default12:06
yuriyTonio_: same thing12:06
Tonio_yuriy: hum........ I don't understand12:07
Tonio_okay let me reload kde12:07
yuriyi wouldn't be too surprised if my system is corrupt.. i've been having trouble shutting down, so i've been hitting the power button... which i guess is a bigger issue12:08
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Tonio_yuriy: I can reproduce the issue, let me fix this12:11

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