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[02:26] moin Hobbsee Jucato [02:26] :) === freet15_ [n=freet15@61.51.188.67] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@cpe-76-173-8-128.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freet15_ [n=freet15@61.51.188.67] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freet15_ [n=freet15@61.51.188.67] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vinboy [n=vinboy@125-238-80-198.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freet15_ [n=freet15@61.51.188.67] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@p54A731DC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freet15_ [n=freet15@61.51.188.67] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freet15_ [n=freet15@61.51.188.67] has joined #kubuntu-devel === praetor_ [n=praetor@203-59-83-85.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _Sime [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _Sime_ [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Kano [n=kano@91.64.67.21] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freet15_ [n=freet15@61.51.188.67] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Kano [n=kano@91.64.67.21] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sebas [i=sebas@belphegor.deadlysins.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === canllaith [n=dessa@60.234.175.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _Sime [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:29] Does anyone know how I can get the KDE display kcontrol module instead of the one provided by guidance? === freet15_ [n=freet15@61.51.188.67] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:36] canllaith: Sorry, I have no idea. [06:37] But good luck. :) [06:37] The .so file is still being installed but it wont run. The guidance one is quite broken and insists on forcing my display to 1024x768 which is really annoying. [06:37] Bullying little kids, that's my job afterall. -> === canllaith has to manually set the correct resolution on each login using krandrtray [06:38] heh === vinboy [n=vinboy@125-238-80-198.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === firephoto [n=tom@pool-71-115-214-25.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freet15_ [n=freet15@61.51.188.67] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vinboy [n=vinboy@125-238-80-198.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Riddell [i=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freet15_ [n=freet15@61.51.188.67] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vinboy_ [n=vinboy@125-236-159-189.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vinboy [n=vinboy@125-236-159-189.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freet15_ [n=freet15@61.48.78.3] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vinboy_ [n=vinboy@125-238-81-170.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freet15_ [n=freet15@61.48.78.3] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-130-124.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.48.78.3] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180123042.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === MrWGW [n=nondiscl@cpe-75-85-97-183.socal.res.rr.com] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === kwwii [n=kwwii@scandic759.host.songnetworks.se] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:03] moin === canllaith is now known as Donald === Donald is now known as canllaith === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:07] hi kwwii! === hunger_t is now known as hunger [09:08] howdy Jucato [09:08] kwwii: === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:08] er.. thanks for the tip on the Oxygen icons [09:08] Jucato: no problem, let me know if I can help further [09:09] kwwii: sure. I'm also looking for stuff to suggest/ask/recommend about them [09:09] unfortunately, using them on KDE 3.5.6.. so... might not be very valid [09:10] well, I am using it too, so it is more a point of the artwork than anyhting else at this point [09:10] we haven't moved things to the new naming spec yet [09:10] ah [09:10] although you could certainly check that out and at least add theoretical bugs/ideas to that [09:10] so how about a question on an app not using the proper icon for the system tray? [09:11] well, quite a few of those are still missing [09:11] er.. I better go to #kde-artists? [09:11] a lot of that is due to duplicate icon names [09:11] aah [09:11] it's actually kget [09:11] if you find the icon in the oxygen theme itself and it does not appear where you think it should please let us know [09:11] we should probably make a list of this stuff [09:12] often the icons shown in the panel have a different name than the app icon itself [09:12] I know that the kmix icon is the same [09:12] so it is still missing as well [09:12] yes. still crystal [09:12] how about the system tray icon for kget, when it's not downloading anything? [09:13] hm.. I better get a screenshot [09:13] hey kwwii [09:13] it is probably missing a state (ie...idle) === canllaith waves, and wonders why she inexplicibly suddenly feels like a smoke [09:13] hi canllaith [09:13] lol [09:13] canllaith: because of curry === kwwii smokes so much others want to smoke just by talking to me [09:14] canllaith! [09:14] Riddell! [09:14] Why are we yelling? :P [09:15] ok, Donald, keep it down [09:15] lol [09:15] Oh man, I so forgot how many channels I was in when I did that. [09:15] canllaith: well general surprise and pleasure at you joining kubuntu development [09:15] I need to write lines. One I /nick to QueenCanllaith 'cause of a conversation I was having in #kdedocs and didn't realise I was in 12 (TWELVE) freenode channels *sob* [09:16] Riddell: Well, I'm upstream! That counts!(right?) [09:16] Actually I was having some bugs. But I'll help fix them! [09:16] yep [09:16] canllaith: and also general disapproval at you smoking [09:16] I don't really smoke. At aKademy I bummed about 5 smokes off richmoore and one off kwwii [09:16] and I haven't smoked since [09:16] oh, yeah, blame me [09:17] I am fault for everyones' bad habits [09:17] Agreed. [09:17] Hey, who was responsible for the new oxygen Konqueror action icons like back, forward, stop etc? [09:17] well, at least I am good at something [09:17] They didn't seem to fit for ages then I did an svn up and whammo, new ones. [09:17] lol, nuno made those [09:18] They're pretty. He's good at pretty. [09:18] we have made quite a few of those [09:18] and I am pretty sure that he is sick of making arrows [09:18] Poor lad. [09:18] I'd help, but I don't think crayon would do you guys much good. [09:18] well, everyone has their own opinions about arrows and they seem to be quite varied [09:18] Riddell: in all seriousness, is there something specifically kubuntuish I could help out with? Or am I more likely to make a difference plodding along upstream ? [09:18] hehe, only if your crayon can save svgs [09:19] I can't do computer art to save my life. I sketch ok, but I have no idea how to adapt that to vector drawing programs :) [09:20] oh and Riddell can I chat to you about the dot when you have a moment? [09:20] yeah, it takes some time to get used to vector programs === Jucato can't imagine canllaith in a situation where she needed to do computer art to save her life... === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:25] canllaith: ooh, well, kubuntu docs always needs work [09:25] k [09:26] canllaith: dot, sure, any time (mostly, I'm in a team meeting this week so may occationally be busy) [09:26] I have some article ideas, basically [09:26] excellent! === guglielf [n=guglielf@unaffiliated/guglielf] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@89.240.140.212] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:45] mhb: there's your kopete bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140307 [09:45] KDE bug 140307 in general "Kopete's balloon stops working with 3.5.6" [Normal,New] [09:48] message balloon? the one that pops up when someone sends a message bug the main window is closed? === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.48.78.3] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mars [n=cyril@AMarseille-256-1-158-224.w90-10.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:59] nixternal: what needs doing in docs that canllaith can help with? [10:01] ping kwwii === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.48.78.3] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:05] There is probably enough in KDE docs for me to do to be honest. [10:06] What I'm looking for are smaller things to do with a clearly defined end. I already have a huge ongoing horrendously painful job being part of the KDE docs team :) [10:11] canllaith: if you work out why the heck our mouse cursor theme doesn't work in KDM (but do once logged in) I'll buy you a beer [10:11] I don't drink beer, you could buy me a soy shake? :D [10:11] or a glass of wine [10:11] or whatever a soy shake is [10:11] A milk shake made with soy milk instead of cow milk. [10:12] I'll look, sure. [10:13] probably it needs whatever sets the theme file being in /etc/kde3 not /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/... === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.48.78.3] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh [10:21] Riddell: as a uk comp sci graduate ;-), what do you think is better for comp sci: York or Durham? === apokryphos waves to canllaith 8) [10:22] apokryphos: no idea, I quite liked York but then they didn't let me in so now I don't like them [10:22] Durham is full of Oxbridge rejects from what I hear [10:22] Riddell: funny, same here :) [10:22] naturally I'd recommend Edinburgh [10:23] heh. My brother's applying now and he's got it down to those two. He's a Cambridge reject :O [10:23] getting pooled is a cruel business 8) [10:24] either is fine, they're both nice cities (for England) [10:24] yeah === Dink [i=Dink@208.53.141.130] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:29] reject? Wow, I don't think that happens her [10:29] here* === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@86-39-1-37.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-d932136b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.48.78.3] has joined #kubuntu-devel === meduxa [n=agustin@84.Red-217-127-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@243.207.103-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:54] hi [10:55] anyone else on feisty able to confirm that kcontrol menu doesn't work in feisty? [10:55] or is Tonio_ right and it's just me being a freak? [10:57] Riddell: ;) [10:57] Riddell: retested here, works for me.... sorry ;) [10:58] Riddell: I just discovered a bunch of new improvements for kde, I'll show you for tests once 3.5.6 is officially in the repos === sahin_w [i=kvirc@nat/hp/x-ef7d83574e421e50] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:59] 3.5.6 tomorrow hopefully [10:59] Tonio_: does the konqueror flash installer work for flash 9? [10:59] yup, I just have to change kds for this [11:00] Riddell: but that's an issue since that will not provide updates..... [11:00] just change the URL? [11:00] since there is no .deb management [11:00] Riddell: exactly [11:00] Riddell: we may try to fix the fix and use a script like the amarok-mp3 one no ? [11:00] mm, so ideally it would know what version is installed and that a new version is available [11:01] Riddell: yeah but that's not very easy to do [11:02] no [11:02] using adept_batch seems to make sense [11:02] oh, that reminds me, I need to look at manchicken's patch for it [11:03] Riddell: looks like beeing removed from feisty actually.... don't know who did that [11:07] oups, no it's still in [11:08] Riddell: you wan watch ./Desktop/kds/kubuntu-default-settings-7.04/konqueror-profile/konq_plugins.xml [11:08] Riddell: no version management there [11:09] so to manage adept-batch, we would have to rewrite the patch from scratch === meduxa [n=agustin@84.Red-217-127-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:12] yeah :( [11:21] Riddell: any idea when 3.5.6 is beeing released ? [11:23] 09:59 < Riddell> 3.5.6 tomorrow hopefully [11:23] ho Riddell, concerning hplip, I have a debdiff, but don't know what to do.... [11:23] debdiff for what? [11:24] fixes the desktop files [11:24] http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/45 === Dink [n=Dink@208.53.141.130] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:24] that maxes the kmenu clean once and for all ;) [11:24] s/maxes/makes [11:25] doesn't seem to have a ubuntu maintainer, since it is direct sync from debian [11:25] Riddell: do you think I can go with it ? [11:27] I also have dixes for bug 67113 and bug 67113 [11:27] Malone bug 67113 in kdebase "K Menu naming scheme changed in 3.5.5 from 3.5.4" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67113 [11:27] and bug 67421 [11:27] Malone bug 67421 in firefox "Forefox crashes when trying to select a submenu on Sony.com" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67421 [11:27] it would be good to know what caused hplip to appear there [11:27] which doesn't in edgy [11:28] Riddell: well the desktop file changed..... [11:28] that's it [11:28] I also have GTK settings in that same place in the k-menu [11:28] Riddell: there were no desktop file for edgy [11:28] Riddell: yes but I fixed the gtk thing, you may have to dist-upgrade [11:28] right [11:28] does making it have Categories=Application;System; change anything in Gnome? [11:29] s/OnlyShowIn=GNOME;XFCE/NotShowIn=KDE;/ [11:29] Riddell: well I think gnome uses settings instead of system for configuration tools.... [11:29] OnlyShowIn is a list, it has to end with a ";" [11:29] hum true indeed.... :) [11:30] I fixed the desktop file [11:31] that's the point I did it that way === Jucato [n=jucato@210.213.223.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:31] "Settings" makes sense in gnome, but not in kde === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm15.omega18.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:32] debdiff updated [11:32] sorry for the ";" missing [11:32] Riddell: but you really have an issue with your desktop files, since gtk-qt-engines is already fixed for a few days, and now only appears in systemsettings [11:33] I've not done a dist-upgrade [11:33] abattoir! [11:33] that may explain :) [11:33] hi Riddell :) [11:33] how's oem-installer abattoir? [11:33] Riddell: shall i put a mockup on the wiki? for UI review? [11:33] Riddell: so do you think I can go on with an upload for hplip ? === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:35] abattoir: please do [11:35] Riddell: should i ping seele or someone? [11:36] abattoir: sure, once they're up [11:36] *someone else [11:36] Tonio_: what is Categories= just now? [11:36] Riddell: ok, thanks [11:36] Categories=Application;Settings; [11:36] Tonio_: what happens if it's changed to Categories=Application;Settings;System; ? [11:36] Riddell: it appears in both ;) [11:36] Riddell: already tested here [11:37] does this get installed on ubuntu by default? doesn't it use pyqt? [11:37] Riddell: only recommends pyqt, not depends [11:37] Riddell: and yes, installed by default [11:37] err, so how does it work without it? [11:38] Riddell: don't know, maybe only uses pyqt if installed, something like that [11:38] but installed by default, I can confirm that [11:38] otherwise I wouldn't have fix it [11:39] s/crappy/messy/ [11:39] and s/OnlyShowIn=GNOME;XFCE/NotShowIn=KDE;/ and upload [11:39] Riddell: Already done the change, I'm uploading, thanks ;) === neversfelde_ [n=chrman@195.71.23.84] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:49] he he, gnome just comes up with an error when you run it [11:49] ah ? [11:50] well they'll fix it hopefully [11:50] works for us, that's the most important thing :) === kwwii [n=kwwii@scandic759.host.songnetworks.se] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.48.78.3] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ updates the french ubuntu wiki for his brother printer, to print and scan over the network [11:53] will probably write a howto in english then [11:54] Riddell: shouldn't we have a hardware database in the docs ? [11:54] that would be very usefull [11:54] there is a fantastic database on ubuntu-fr.org wiki [11:55] because browsing the web for supported printer is not an easy job, honnestly === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:59] linuxprinting.org ? [11:59] mhb: ping? [12:01] Riddell: concerning the compatibility yes, but that's plateform independant [12:01] installation process is sometimes linked to the distro, like for brother... [12:01] Riddell: that's the problem :) [12:09] kwwii: still there ? have a little question concerning kwin-style-crystal [12:10] Tonio_: yepp, ask away [12:10] erm, the style or the window deco? [12:10] funky, I wonder why they call it a kwin style [12:10] anyway [12:10] kwwii: the windeco [12:11] yeah [12:11] kwwii: there seem to be a little uuencoded icon in the code [12:11] for the select box [12:11] what encoding is it exactly ? [12:12] kwwii: I'm preparing a little fix for the package to send it upstream, since we need that to upgrade.... [12:12] kwwii: too to patch everything, since the full edgy theme upstream isn't the good one [12:12] Tonio_: no idea, Riddell knows about that though [12:12] kwwii: ah [12:12] if I remeber correctly they were all uuencoded [12:13] kwwii: simple uuencode ? [12:13] okay I'm testing [12:13] Tonio_: yeah, I think so [12:14] Tonio_: it's just normal uuencoding [12:14] uudecode foo.uu [12:14] Riddell: okay so I'll fix [12:14] Riddell: latest email sent upstream didn't have all the required infos, should be okay this time [12:14] I hope they'll accept the changes so that we'll be able to sync [12:15] Riddell: my patches also include the full feisty tree, in addition to the fixed edgy one [12:16] Riddell: that's not uu encoding.... looks more like base64 [12:16] Riddell: look configdialog.ui arround line 2200 === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:17] it's not even base64, there is only hex caracters for the icon.... [12:18] so it's base16 or something.... don't know how to rencode this [12:19] Riddell, kwwii: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/46 [12:19] don't know what exactly this is [12:20] well, it looks like a good bit of encoded data [12:20] if it's .ui that's a qt designer file [12:20] :p [12:20] Riddell: any simple way to rencode a png to replace this ? [12:20] I said simple way :) [12:20] why would you need to? [12:21] just send the .ui file diff [12:21] Riddell: because the provided icon for edgy/feisty isn't the good one [12:21] it is the one we had during the dev cycle, before ken fixed everything [12:22] Riddell: yeah but should I need qtdesigner to recode the good icon ? === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:24] ah [12:24] well open the file in designer and edit [12:28] Riddell: just done, but I was a bit affraid ;) [12:28] doesn't look that hard in fact hehe :) [12:30] Riddell: building, is everything is okay I'll re-email upstream, with you in CC, so I hope we'll have that in the archives soon [12:31] Riddell: btw, I can make an horrible diff for the current debian package and upload, but that's evil ;) [12:31] too many binary changes to maintain [12:35] don't bother, no point [12:35] Riddell: okay to CC then :) === kwwii [n=kwwii@scandic759.host.songnetworks.se] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:38] kwwii, Riddell: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/capture3.png it is okay this time ;) [12:38] Tonio_: nifty [12:40] why is feisty different from edgy? [12:41] different ? it is not [12:41] kwwii: turn that off! [12:42] Riddell: just the focus :) [12:42] that's not work! [12:42] :p [12:42] Riddell: at the moment edgy and feisty are identical [12:42] if I got it from someone at work, it is work [12:42] Sascha Hlusiak [12:42] is that really upstream email ? :) [12:43] Tonio_: I don't see a point in including two identicle themes [12:43] Tonio_: I seem to remember it worked [12:43] Riddell: well... doesn't that sound strange using edgy theme on feisty ? [12:43] not if it's the same theme :) [12:43] hum.... okay [12:44] so I can remove the feisty branch and only include corrected edgy [12:44] yeah [12:44] in that case I can take the debian package and provide a big diff [12:44] and email yhe patch upstream [12:44] s/yhe/the [12:44] okay doing this [12:44] Riddell: I'll fix kds too, since there is a few changes required for this to work too [12:46] Riddell: I may rename the theme to "Kubuntu Edgy/Feisty" then [12:46] sounds better === vinboy [n=vinboy@125-238-82-113.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === stivani [n=stivani@d51531068.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:47] yes [12:49] okay let's merge with debian now !: === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === ryanakca [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-132-058.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ryanakca [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:24] Riddell: uploaded, fixing kds to fit with it now === Hobbsee waves [01:26] hi Hobbsee ;) [01:26] :) === hunger_t is now known as hunger === Tonio_ is impressed how good kftpgrabber has become..... [01:32] Riddell: wouldn't it be a good idea to ship with it ? it is incredibly good, especially with konqueror freezes on hudge file list upload/download [01:33] Size: 1136558 -> sounds reasonable [01:34] and since lots of people are complaning there is no good ftp client for kde (they all know kasablanca and kbear only), that would make their life easier in my opinion :) [01:35] LOL, just read the french prices for vista ;) [01:35] that's a pure JOKE ! [01:36] Home Basic : 240,00 [01:36] Home Premium : 360,00 [01:36] Business : 445,00 [01:36] Ultimate : 575,00 [01:36] OMG ! [01:36] that's good for us [01:36] ouch! [01:36] presumably , means . in most countries? ie 240 pounds? [01:36] probably yes [01:37] the evidence that monopolistic position is evil [01:37] indeed [01:40] that shows that it'll be very hard to crack too [01:40] to display such prices, they certainly have an eveil protection inside [01:40] evil === Hobbsee wonders how cheap computers will be if they dont have vista on them === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ajmitch_ [n=ajmitch@port166-123.ubs.maxnet.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === canllaith [n=dessa@60.234.175.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [02:07] Tonio_: we don't have space for more applications, especially not ones that duplicate what we already have === Hobbsee waves to Riddell [02:10] hola Hobbsee [02:10] :) [02:12] Riddell: I can understand indeed ;) === Ash-Fox [i=UNKNOWN@fgd182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Kubuntu-devel [02:16] raphink: you went to hungary? [02:17] Riddell: it was just in case of we had more freespace thanI thought :) [02:17] I'm totally unconvinced by polyester [02:18] Riddell: why so? [02:18] Riddell: for your information, I may give a try at http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=49765 once 3.5.6 is released [02:18] it makes it possible to theme the contact list and it'll probably be merged with kde4 [02:19] Hobbsee: I just think it's ugly [02:20] so someone else needs to do the main inclusion report :) [02:20] Riddell: hah. right [02:20] Riddell, Hobbsee: I'll probably also include this : http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=51691 , that's very usefull [02:20] Riddell: well, really, i'ts someone like kwwii's choice, as where he goes with it [02:21] Tonio_: neat! :) [02:21] Hobbsee: the second is very usefull [02:21] of course, having a multimedia keyboard, i wouldnt need it - but it's very useful for the people that dont [02:21] it's a pain disabling sound in kde compared to windows [02:21] Hobbsee: kwwii wants it [02:21] the kde-improvement section of kde-apps is very usefull :) [02:21] Tonio_: I can't work out what that does [02:21] well, either that or polyester [02:22] and several others want is as well, not just me :p [02:22] Riddell: disable sound via a simple middle click on the systray icon to disable all sounds [02:22] and you better be nice or I'll do something nasty to you in your sleep [02:22] Riddell: ahhh. and mhb iirc. [02:22] Riddell: yes I did [02:22] :p [02:22] Riddell: currently we don't have an easy way to mute kmix [02:22] Riddell: why? === Hobbsee has a custom polyester, ie, with crystal buttons [02:22] Riddell: it's more shiny :P [02:22] Tonio_: I ment the kopete one [02:23] Riddell: depends which colours it's in, of course [02:23] raphink: just saw it on planet === Hobbsee cant work out what the polyester one does either [02:23] ok :) [02:23] that was a few months ago though [02:24] Riddell: well there is no way to theme the contact list with kopete [02:24] Hobbsee: note that I only want to change the style, not the window deco [02:24] Riddell: with that patch you can, and there is also a very nice theme provided [02:24] Riddell: I'd like to test that and get people feeling about it [02:24] Riddell: note that we can just not activate the theme by default [02:25] oh, I see, scroll to right [02:25] the contact list was not in the window [02:25] that's it ;) [02:25] yeah, sure, go ahead, but wait for 3.5.6 [02:25] that's my point yes [02:25] kwwii: how does that work? oh, only the buttons and all that? [02:25] which is probably going to be delayed now due to kopete no-bubbles bug === Hobbsee is a little slow tonight [02:26] yes....i noted it had no bubbles... [02:26] Riddell: did you had the kwallet patch to kdelibs ? [02:26] Tonio_: not yet [02:26] Hobbsee: select the old crystal window deco and use polyester as style [02:26] yep [02:26] kwwii: ahh, right, yeah, that's what i do already :) [02:27] ;-) [02:27] Hobbsee: but I removed a lot of the extra options [02:27] Riddell: okay, if you don't I'll do after the packages reach the repo [02:27] so it looks much simpler than the default polyester style [02:28] kwwii: ahhh :) [02:28] polyester windeco isn't as beautiful as its style... [02:29] indeed [02:29] mainly I want to use the tabs and buttons from polyester [02:30] yep :D [02:31] http://chl.be/vista/ [02:31] oups.... http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html [02:31] sorry, but that's important enough to be read === ingmar [n=ingmar@86-39-1-37.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:33] can be the end of open specs for hardware... === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@86-39-1-37.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:03] Riddell: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2036289357446003645 [03:04] Riddell: raphink conference at Hungarian Ubuntu Conferece 2006 [03:15] can someone add php5-cli to recommends or suggests (or maybe depends?) for KTorrent? [03:15] the bundled but off-by-default web interface plugin requires php5-cli as a interpretor [03:15] Riddell: I noticed kdenetwork ftbfs on feisty, how did you build the package ? [03:15] Riddell: with pbuilder I get : cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde3/libkcm_kcmsambaconf.la': No such file or directory [03:15] src package from your repo [03:16] don't think I've seen such problems when doing 3.5.6 === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@86-39-1-37.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh is now known as \sh_away [03:31] Tonio_: after you upload kchmviewer, it works on ppc now [03:33] freeflying: that was the goal :) [03:34] Tonio_: [03:34] * Fixed debian/rules, removed dpatch stuff in it since there is no [03:34] more patches to apply [03:34] this make it work? [03:35] not that only, it also needed rebuilt [03:35] but yes, one of the patch could cause issues [03:35] Riddell: I was thinking of kde-systemsettings [03:35] there is no other solution for external apps than to patch them to go in the right place, due to the edgy sections rearrangement [03:36] Riddell: here is the list of apps I should look at the enable them in kss : [03:36] ggz-kde-client, gtk2-engines-gtk-qt, kaddressbook, kamera,kat, kbfx, kcmpureftpd, kdelirc, kdetoys-dbg, kdf, kgamma, kleopatra, kmldonkey, kmrml, knemo, knetworkconf, kpilot, krec, krfb, ksplash, ksynaptics, ktalkd, kttsd, kview, kwalletmanager, kweather, kwifimanager, lisa, skim [03:36] I'm ready to patch them all, just wait you confirm you are okay on the rationnale [03:36] some of them are to be removed, like knetworkconf, sorry [03:36] but apps like knemo or kmldonkey shold really be patched [03:37] krfb too [03:37] night all! === Hobbsee is exhausted! [03:37] Tonio_: why can't system settings menu have the include categories in it? === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:37] Riddell: cause if we do that we'll recreate a hudge mess [03:38] Riddell: we don't use the same categories [03:38]