[12:14] <BluesKaj> MidMark, I think it's worth a try disconnecting the dhcp etehrnet card if you can't figure a workaround
[12:14] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: i fairly sure it happened because fo the coping :(
[12:15] <MidMark> BluesKaj: seems a kppp bug or something
[12:15] <Thehound666> well most are videos, mp3s, etc
[12:15] <Thehound666> can't really install those
[12:15] <BluesKaj> dns maybe
[12:15] <dope> somehow i'm almost using a gig of memory
[12:15] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: than i can promise that was the issue but now where is it saved at (find that out fix your issue)
[12:16] <MidMark> no gateway is the problem I know for sure
[12:16] <MidMark> I was asking if there was another workaround other than disabling eth0
[12:17] <gnomefreak> Thehound666: hold on a sec might have found someone
[12:17] <CakeProphet> hmmm... so...
[12:18] <CakeProphet> I installed kubuntu... moving from Windows. But I don't think my wireless adapter is *nix-friendly.
[12:18] <gnomefreak> Mez: Thehound666 is having the issue
[12:18] <BluesKaj> !wireless
[12:18] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:18] <Mez> I'm not :P
[12:18] <Minataku> CakeProphet: Tried ndiswrapper yet?
[12:19] <Mez> I'm looking at it
[12:19] <Minataku> If not, get a real card
[12:19] <gnomefreak> k ty
[12:19] <CakeProphet> haha... you've automated the "RTFM" process... impressive.
[12:19] <Minataku> If the adapter is Windows-only it's not worth using, return it and tell your friends to avoid them
[12:19] <Thehound666> just starting ftp transfer to make formatting quicker if I must do it
[12:19] <Mez> Thehound666, can you pastebin the output of sudo locate .Trash
[12:19] <grumbly> I am in need of help
[12:20] <CakeProphet> I'd like to use what I already have if I can... because I'm lazy and poor and such
[12:20] <grumbly> I have a belkin wireless g USB adapter... but I dont know how to get it working
[12:20] <grumbly> I dont even know where to start
[12:20] <grumbly> so, where do I start?
[12:20] <BluesKaj> grumbly, just ask yer question
[12:20] <felipelalli> Ol! H alguma pessoa humana aqui?
[12:21] <BluesKaj> !es
[12:21] <Thehound666> k
[12:21] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[12:21] <grumbly> BluesKaj: how do i verify that the adapter is recognized by the computer?
[12:21] <felipelalli> No  espanhol,  portugus
[12:21] <Minataku> USB adapters are almost universally unsupported :(
[12:21] <BluesKaj> !USB-Wireless
[12:21] <grumbly> felipelalli: voce fala espanol?
[12:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about USB-Wireless - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:22] <grumbly> Minataku: NO!!!!
[12:22] <bubu1uk> !es |grumbly
[12:22] <ubotu> grumbly: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[12:22] <BluesKaj> !pt
[12:22] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[12:22] <felipelalli> grumbly: no, mas falo portugus. Talvez eu entenda alguma coisa em espanhol. O sr. fala portugus?  porque no canal brasileiro no h ningum.
[12:22] <grumbly> ratz
[12:22] <Minataku> grumbly: Well, there's a chance
[12:22] <CakeProphet> grumbly, hmmm... I'm having the same problem actually.
[12:22] <Minataku> I think there's a database of supported/unsupported USB devices
[12:22] <Minataku> You can also check the manufacturer's site
[12:22] <grumbly> yeah... i know there is.  If I can get it recognized in freeebsd, I should be able to get it working in linux
[12:22] <Minataku> If you're willing to crack it open you can see the chipset
[12:22] <grumbly> as it should be more supported
[12:22] <BluesKaj> !br
[12:22] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[12:23] <grumbly> Its the RA730 chipset
[12:23] <Minataku> Hm
[12:23] <felipelalli> ubotu: eu j sei, obrigado
[12:23] <Thehound666> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2484/
[12:23] <grumbly> felipelalli: Un moment
[12:23] <Minataku> That's not a good sign
[12:24] <Minataku> Your search - RA730 Linux - did not match any documents.
[12:24] <Minataku> Are you sure it's "RA730" ?
[12:25] <Minataku> Theoretically, though, the default Kubuntu kernel should have the module for it
[12:26] <tehpwn> OMG, skype costs money now to call cell phones!?!! wtf
[12:26] <grumbly> /msg felipelalli
[12:26] <grumbly> 
[12:26] <grumbly> Tentativa usando translate.google.com. No  perfeita, mas deve ser til em comunicar seu ponto. Eu compreendo somente um pouco Portuguese, assim que eu seria somente mnima til.
[12:26] <Thehound666> oh btw that 28 MB I freed...
[12:26] <grumbly> bahh... sorry
[12:26] <Thehound666> is gone again
[12:27] <grumbly> Minataku: yes. the windows driver is the Ralink driver for 730-
[12:27] <grumbly> ra73
[12:27] <grumbly> should correlate.
[12:27] <Minataku> Hm
[12:27] <grumbly> maybe ver is different in my head... hang on
[12:27] <bubu1uk> tehpwn: look at www.voipcheap.com for news bout skype.
[12:28] <grumbly> Minataku: !!!!  CHECK THIS OUT!
[12:28] <grumbly> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=449166
[12:28] <SillyFrenchy> hey peeps
[12:28] <CakeProphet> Minataku,  Sure haven't
[12:29] <surgy> i installed the nvidia glx driver from !nvidia and then restarted X and kde didnt start so i typed "startx" and it gave me these errors "http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2486/" i had to use my xorg.conf backup to restore kde
[12:29] <Minataku> grumbly: Nice work :D
[12:29] <grumbly> Minataku: here's where I'm still confused
[12:29] <grumbly> I wanted to know if I have usb discovery set up properly
[12:30] <grumbly> so I can plug/unplug stuff
[12:30] <grumbly> AND, I am a little uncomfortable with a kernel build...
[12:30] <surgy> can someone look over my errors and tell me what you think please?
[12:30] <Minataku> grumbly: Unplug and replug the USB device then type "dmesg | tail"
[12:31] <Minataku> See if it talks about a USB device and whether or not it knows what it was
[12:31] <grumbly> Minataku: step 1 solved! thanks
[12:31] <grumbly> it does
[12:31] <Minataku> Cool
[12:31] <grumbly> AWESOME!!! RT73usb
[12:31] <Minataku> That means no kernel building for you
[12:31] <grumbly> now... for the rest.........
[12:32] <Minataku> grumbly: Hold
[12:32] <grumbly> the mesg says: t73usb->rt2x00_vendor_request: Error - vendor request error. Request 0x07 failed for offset 0x3040 with error -19.
[12:32] <Minataku> Uh oh
[12:32] <Minataku> That's not good
[12:32] <grumbly> what does that mean?
[12:32] <Minataku> Well, wait
[12:32] <Minataku> Did it disconnect the device shortly after?
[12:32] <grumbly> I did
[12:32] <Minataku> Or is it still connected?
[12:32] <grumbly> it is now connected.
[12:33] <grumbly> is there a live DMESG util
[12:33] <Minataku> Oh, plug it back in, and see if Linux keeps the device registered
[12:33] <grumbly> like a watch command?
[12:33] <Minataku> grumbly: Open another terminal and type "sudo cat /proc/kmsg"
[12:33] <grumbly> k
[12:34] <Minataku> Any complaining/informing the kernel does will show up there until you hit Ctrl+C
[12:34] <grumbly> usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[12:34] <grumbly> wlan0: no IPv6 routers present
[12:34] <foxbunny> how is Fiesty coming along? is it okay to dist-upgrade before release?
[12:34] <bobleny> Hey, I ran this command "dpkg -l '*php*'" in the terminal, My results all had the letters "un" or "pn" net to the files. What do they mean?
[12:34] <bobleny> !un
[12:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about un - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:34] <grumbly> so it's got the device
[12:34] <bobleny> !pn
[12:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pn - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:34] <grumbly> awesome
[12:34] <Minataku> grumbly: Lucky you, it's working and it's using it
[12:34] <fyrmedic> what command should I use in command line to remove gnome and all dependencies?
[12:34] <Minataku> :D
[12:35] <grumbly> ok
[12:35] <grumbly> now, how do I configure the christ mouth head thing
[12:35] <foxbunny> fyrmedic: man apt-get
[12:35] <Minataku> lol
[12:35] <surgy> minataku: when you get the chance do you mind looking through my errors please? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2486/
[12:35] <Minataku> surgy: Sure
[12:35] <grumbly> CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -6
[12:35] <surgy> minataku: thank you
[12:36] <Minataku> grumbly: As long as Linux keeps the device
[12:36] <fyrmedic> foxbunny; ok and what is the rest of the command. I can run apt-get but it just removes the file gnome. not the rest of the files that came with it
[12:36] <Minataku> Ignore any b?tching from the kernel unless it's rejecting the device
[12:36] <BluesKaj> grumbly , did you scroll down to look at the exception in the case of a USB connection ?
[12:36] <grumbly> BluesKaj: no.
[12:37] <BluesKaj> about halfway down the page
[12:37] <foxbunny> fyrmedic: if you type man apt-get you will get all the apt-get options... I think there should be a command option for removing packages that depend on gnome...
[12:37] <foxbunny> fyrmedic: 'man apt-get'
[12:37] <foxbunny> fyrmedic: wait a sec
[12:37] <bobleny> No one know?
[12:37] <grumbly> BluesKaj: I stopped reading when Minataku said I ddnt need to rebuild
[12:38] <Minataku> lol
[12:38] <sleepy745> I have kiba dock source files that need compiling, how do I start?
[12:38] <BluesKaj> blame it on someone else eh ? :)
[12:38] <Minataku> surgy: We'll need real info here, one sec
[12:39] <surgy> minataku: ok
[12:39] <foxbunny> fyrmedic: why don't you use adept or aptitude?
[12:39] <foxbunny> fyrmedic: I mean, instead of apt-get
[12:39] <Minataku> surgy: Pastebin, oh.... the last 50 lines of /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:39] <grumbly> SWEET!!!!! IT FOUND THE FRIKKIN NETWORK!!!!!!! Minataku YOU DESERVE A PLEASUREABLE ASIAN WOMAN STYLE MASSAGE
[12:39] <Minataku> Heehee
[12:39] <bubu1uk> lol
[12:39] <fyrmedic> foxbunny; because I am doing all of this via ssh tunnel to another machine.
[12:40] <Minataku> grumbly: If I can help one more person break free of Windows that's enough of a prize :D
[12:40] <Minataku> But thank you all the same and enjoy ^^
[12:40] <foxbunny> fyrmedic: I don't know about those... :( aptitude is a CLI tool, you know. It just invokes apt-get to do the final removal/install...
[12:40] <grumbly> Minataku: I am a mac user!  haha!  hence the FBSD, I broke free of windows 3 years ago
[12:40] <LjL> foxbunny: no
[12:41] <LjL> aptitude never invokes apt-get
[12:41] <grumbly> I am just helping out my parents
[12:41] <LjL> !aptitude
[12:41] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[12:41] <Minataku> Ah, well now you've broken free of Mac, too, which is even better
[12:41] <Minataku> XD
[12:41] <foxbunny> LjL: how do you mean NO?
[12:41] <grumbly> nah... I love mac
[12:41] <Minataku> Oh, lol
[12:41] <LjL> foxbunny: i mean what i said
[12:41] <grumbly> it just works
[12:41] <LjL> no, it doesn't invoke apt-get
[12:41] <Minataku> grumbly: They're worse than MS :(
[12:41] <grumbly> yes and no.
[12:41] <surgy> minataku: tried to get 50 ended up with 51     http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2490/
[12:41] <grumbly> they are GREAT when it comes to honorning contracts, tech support, and opening up source
[12:41] <grumbly> but they are expensive
[12:41] <foxbunny> LjL: well, it invokes dpkg, whatever... point is it is a CLI tool... like apt-get
[12:41] <Minataku> MS never locked their customers into lousy hardware... yet
[12:42] <Minataku> grumbly: Opening up source my ass, they want to close off all of Darwin
[12:42] <foxbunny> Minataku: true
[12:42] <Minataku> They haven't since they know the backlash would be tremendous
[12:42] <yuriy> Minataku: well, i wouldn't call it lousy.. but locked in nonetheless
[12:42] <Minataku> Apple doesn't want anyone getting their grubby hands all on their... *shudder*... Intellectual Property
[12:43] <grumbly> Minataku: Point 1: lousy hardware is a preference... depends on what you're doing and how you do it.  Point 2: Closing darwin will never legally happen.  just because they want to do something dosn't mean they can
[12:43] <surgy> minataku: have you heard about MS and Ford teaming up?
[12:43] <surgy> minataku: MS is doing all the onboard computers for ford starting in september
[12:43] <Minataku> grumbly: Sorry, I'm against the kinds of things that Apple and Microsoft do to their customers
[12:44] <LjL> foxbunny: well that's true, but apt-get and dpkg are two quite different things. anyway as for what i can see of fyrmedic's question: if you're on Dapper, and you didn't use aptitude to install gnome, there's no command that will remove it *and* all its dependencies. if you're on Edgy, apt-get autoremove ubuntu-desktop should do that, though i'm not sure it works as smoothly as aptitude. lacking either possibility, i'd normally remove libgnome -
[12:44] <LjL> that takes most of the stuff away
[12:44] <Minataku> surgy: Ford has always sucked anyway
[12:44] <Minataku> If they start sucking more from Microsoft's "help" that doesn't concern me
[12:44] <Minataku> lol
[12:44] <manchicken> jarn: Did you ever get your MTP device working?
[12:44] <foxbunny> LjL: isn't there an apt-get switch that removes all packages that depend on a package?
[12:45] <surgy> minataku: agreed
[12:45] <bubu1uk> hope app wond crash unexpectely and u'll have to restart ur fort then. lol
[12:45] <Minataku> grumbly: True, the lousy hardware is a preference
[12:45] <grumbly> Minataku: It's understandable from their perspective-  You've got 2 pretty competitive corps going after SIMILAR but not the same market, but only one understood that for a while.
[12:45] <Minataku> They were better off with 68k
[12:45] <foxbunny> LjL: is it my memory failing, or apt-get is a frontend for dpkg?
[12:45] <foxbunny> !apt-get
[12:45] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[12:46] <Minataku> grumbly: At least Vista doesn't REQUIRE a TPM chip... yet
[12:46] <mikey_la> i uninstalled the openoffice suite & now apt-get is telling me to run "apt-get autoremove" which will remove the whole kubuntu-desktop package
[12:46] <LjL> foxbunny: yes and no...
[12:46] <grumbly> the 68k was an excelent processor for it's time.  combine that with some Eprom based OS and you've got a REALLY stable and fast system
[12:46] <grumbly> also known as Amiga!
[12:46] <Minataku> Hell yeah :D
[12:46] <surgy> minataku: did you get my paste bin?
[12:46] <LjL> foxbunny: the APT framework uses dpkg. apt-get aptitude and company are frontends to the APT framework
[12:46] <Minataku> surgy: Oh, crap
[12:46] <Minataku> No, sorry
[12:46] <Minataku> I got sidetracked >.<
[12:47] <grumbly> Minataku: osx 10.4 needed the tpm chip to differentiate between X86 and PPC chip
[12:47] <LjL> foxbunny: yes, there is such a switch - command actually - and it's "apt-get autoremove". but it was only added in Edgy
[12:47] <Minataku> grumbly: My ass it did
[12:47] <grumbly> and I like the g5 processor
[12:47] <grumbly> it's great
[12:47] <Minataku> Don't buy into the bull they fed you
[12:47] <grumbly> and hot
[12:47] <surgy> minataku: "minataku: tried to get 50 ended up with 51     http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2490/"
[12:47] <foxbunny> LjL: doesn't that also remove packages that have broken dependencies in general?
[12:47] <grumbly> I gotta buy into it, it's the only thing I have left
[12:47] <mikey_la> anyone got any ideas on a workaround?
[12:47] <Minataku> The TPM chip has no purpose in their hands but to oppress and destroy consumer rights
[12:48] <LjL> foxbunny: well, packages that have broken dependencies get removed by *any* apt-get command (well, at least by "install" and "remove")
[12:48] <surgy> minaktaku : HALLLALUYA!
[12:48] <Minataku> surgy: Why is X trying to open a /dev/wacom ?
[12:48] <grumbly> Why do I have 2 new ifconfig entrys...
[12:48] <grumbly> surgy: yeah???
[12:48] <surgy> minataku: im assuming it thinks my xbox game pad is a tacom
[12:48] <Minataku> surgy: Hm...
[12:48] <yuriy> mikey_la: is the problem just that it's telling you to do that? it's not actually doing it though right
[12:49] <foxbunny> LjL: yah, now that you mention it... it's all coming back to me... :) Last time I used Ubuntu it was Hoary.... :p
[12:49] <mikey_la> yuriy: yea. i just telling me that
[12:49] <Minataku> surgy: That doesn't make sense
[12:49] <surgy> minataku: the instability is based around my video card though becuase when i try to initiate the drivers is when i get the errors and kde wont start
[12:49] <Minataku> All the same, unplug it and try starting X again
[12:49] <grumbly> Minataku: it's not connectiong....
[12:49] <mikey_la> yuriy: i could add an alias to avoid me from doing that
[12:49] <Minataku> surgy: Oh, well there's your problem
[12:50] <yuriy> mikey_la: make sure sure you have kubuntu-desktop installed
[12:50] <grumbly> surgy: what card do you have?
[12:50] <surgy> minataku: so if i reinstall my videocard driver now it will work?
[12:50] <Minataku> surgy: Possibly
[12:50] <yuriy> mikey_la: also workarounds: ignore it. or use aptitude.
[12:50] <surgy> lol
[12:50] <Minataku> It's worth a shot, at least, lol
[12:50] <surgy> minataku any other possibilities that you can think of?
[12:50] <foxbunny> fyrmedic: any luck?
[12:50] <surgy> minataku: and im dumb founded that my xbox pad is being recognized as a wacom
[12:50] <Minataku> surgy: X is a picky bit of kit
[12:50] <mikey_la> yuriy: im looking to remove alot of the packages that came w/ the install (ie multimedia)
[12:51] <Minataku> If there's some little thing it doesn't like it'll b?tch and moan and if it's bad enough it'll explode
[12:51] <Minataku> lol
[12:51] <Minataku> surgy: Check the xorg.conf
[12:51] <mikey_la> yuriy: im wondering if that will have any effect on future upgrades
[12:52] <Minataku> I think there might me some stupid entries in there
[12:52] <Minataku> Like someone set up X with a Wacom tablet
[12:52] <levi__> what is a good program to shrink dvdz
[12:52] <surgy> minataku: you want a pastebin of xorg.conf becuase i dont really know what im looking at yet (im learning but not there yet)
[12:52] <yuriy> mikey_la: removing packages that came with the install will remove kubuntu-desktop which may cause problems with future dist-upgrades
[12:53] <Minataku> surgy: Sure
[12:53] <Minataku> That way I can correct it and give it back, though you may end up better off reconfiguring the whole thing from scratch
[12:53] <yuriy> mikey_la: but other than upgrading releases it shouldn't cause any problems
[12:54] <luck> why
[12:54] <sleepy745> anyone know how to compile kiba dock? what packages do I need before compiling?
[12:54] <surgy> minataku: of course this one works, its my backup that i keep having to restore to get kde back up       http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2496/
[12:54] <luck> why
[12:55] <larson9999> any keytouch users here?  i wanna know how it set it up so that it launches for all users on startup.  and without that gui.
[12:55] <Minataku> surgy: In that case, what's changing it, what's the change, and how do you stop it
[12:55] <luck> why
[12:55] <surgy> minataku: seams like everytime i install my video card driver and then restart x i have the problem, but if i run on my back up (the original) xorg.conf its fine but with no driver
[12:55] <Minataku> Then clearly the driver is not working
[12:56] <surgy> yes
[12:56] <luck> poor minataku
[12:56] <Minataku> There's your fault, the solution is beyond me, unfortunately
[12:56] <surgy> thats why i say my driver is cuasing it all not my wacom ass xbox pad
[12:56] <luck> poor surgy
[12:56] <Minataku> I'd say, at least for now, don't use the driver
[12:56] <luck> poor Minataku
[12:56] <surgy> minataku: then linux is useless
[12:56] <Minataku> As for what the problem with the driver is, I don't know
[12:56] <luck> poor surgy
[12:57] <surgy> arnt admins suppose to filter out people like luck?
[12:57] <Minataku> On Freenode? Psh
[12:57] <luck> why
[12:57] <dwidmann> !dvdrip | levi__
[12:57] <ubotu> dvdrip: perl front end for transcode. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:0.98.1-0.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 718 kB, installed size 2084 kB
[12:57] <surgy> minataku: a fresh install of kubuntu will fix my problem right?
[12:57] <Minataku> The ops all hide themselves around here
[12:57] <gnomefreak> surgy: we will
[12:57] <Minataku> surgy: It may
[12:57] <luck> poor minataku
[12:57] <gnomefreak> luck: please stop that now
[12:57] <Minataku> If something that's there is causing the driver to fail then reinstalling may help
[12:57] <luck> why should I stop that?
[12:58] <luck> poor Minataku
[12:58] <luck> poor Minataku
[12:58] <gnomefreak> because its not right to do in here
[12:58] <shadowhywind> anyone have any ideas why if i use lynx/w3m/links2 i can't seam to login to my router
[12:58] <luck> why doesn't Minataku say something to that?
[12:58] <surgy> minataku: well i went over to #beryl and a guy there told me to go to this site and it had the beryl auto install script and a how to on installing glx
[12:58] <Minataku> lol
[12:58] <gnomefreak> luck: no need to spam the channel with stuff like that
[12:59] <Minataku> luck: Well, could you please stop?
[12:59] <Minataku> X3
[12:59] <gnomefreak> Minataku: i got it ;)
[12:59] <Minataku> lol
[12:59] <luck> stuff like what?
[12:59] <surgy> ?
[12:59] <surgy> luck: this is a support channel
[12:59] <luck> why
[12:59] <Minataku> He did ask why I didn't say anything about it, so I figured I would.
[12:59] <gnomefreak> luck: stop trolling
[12:59] <surgy> luck: not a "poor minataku" channel
[01:00] <Minataku> lol
[01:00] <luck> why doesn't he admit he's poor?
[01:00] <Minataku> lol
[01:00] <surgy> thanks gnomefreak
[01:00] <esc_ape> chicago bears going to the superbowl!!
[01:00] <dwidmann> hahaha
[01:01] <Minataku> Does this network not have kicks?
[01:01] <surgy> minataku: so im gonna try a reinstall
[01:01] <gnomefreak> nalioth: Seveas any problems with banning java in here like it is in #ubuntu?
[01:01] <Minataku> Who's dumb?ss idea would that have been?
[01:01] <LjL> Minataku: there's kicks. and they're removes.
[01:01] <LjL> there's
[01:02] <Minataku> Seems like there's absolutely no point to implementing the second option
[01:02] <dwidmann> esc_ape, so what was the score at the end, I didn't bother to watch much of the game?
[01:02] <nalioth> gnomefreak: banning java?
[01:02] <gnomefreak> yes
[01:02] <Minataku> The 'ol "Why fix what isn't broken" thing
[01:02] <dwidmann> and what's wrong with java?
[01:02] <esc_ape> 39-14 I think
[01:02] <surgy> minataku: but one good question: why doesnt ubuntu come with an application link that runs all the installation for the display driver? like "To install Nvidia Display click here"    it whould make my world and many others very much easier
[01:02] <esc_ape> im from chicago...just finished watching
[01:02] <LjL> Minataku: a lot of people auto-rejoin on kicks
[01:02] <esc_ape> kinda drunk
[01:03] <manchicken> esc_ape: Great game, eh?
[01:03] <Minataku> LjL: Yes, but if you've banned them first, what's the issue?
[01:03] <esc_ape> yeah definitely...we've been waiting for 22 years
[01:03] <esc_ape> heh
[01:03] <dwidmann> 22 years ... hahaha
[01:03] <esc_ape> yup
[01:03] <esc_ape> 22 long f'ing years
[01:03] <surgy> minataku: but what if you banned them and they try to say there sorry and act good forever after that?
[01:03] <Minataku> surgy: Good question, but I'm not the right source
[01:04] <LjL> Minataku: if everyone who's kicked should *always* also be banned, then there would be no point to kick and ban existing as separate things
[01:04] <surgy> ok just an idea
[01:04] <Minataku> surgy: That's what's PM is for
[01:04] <manchicken> It's only 21 years.
[01:04] <esc_ape> ok im out to get more beer
[01:04] <manchicken> ^_^
[01:04] <esc_ape> later
[01:04] <K-Ryan> Hello everybody
[01:04] <manchicken> But still too long
[01:04] <surgy> hi k-ryan :)
[01:04] <esc_ape> yeah...& im too drunk for math
[01:04] <esc_ape> heh
[01:04] <surgy> brb on my fresh install
[01:04] <dwidmann> later esc_ape
[01:04] <Minataku> LjL: Indeed, but even if they autorejoin, the kick shows them that they're clearly walking the line
[01:05] <K-Ryan> I just wrote a 5 1/2 page paper on Hiking >.>
[01:05] <dwidmann> K-Ryan: why?
[01:05] <Minataku> As for cases where they've accidentally dumped to the channel, a quickban is suitable for that purpose, it's not that hard to defeat autorejoin
[01:05] <K-Ryan> Because I just love writing
[01:06] <K-Ryan> No, English class =P
[01:06] <Minataku> lol
[01:06] <Minataku> But then I'm a bit partial to the old ways of doing things
[01:06] <Minataku> Old as in late 90s
[01:06] <Minataku> lol
[01:06] <Minataku> Remember when web games were done in CGI? I do.
[01:07] <K-Ryan> cgi?
[01:07] <dwidmann> cgi = common gateway interface = (usually) perl
[01:07] <K-Ryan> hmm, no idea
[01:07] <Minataku> Indeed
[01:07] <Alarm> is there a way to see all the open internet connections running ? not the connections but the ammount of them. for example that are 50connections open. when i say connections, i mean connections that are created when entering to a webpage, or when downloading a file and so on
[01:08] <K-Ryan> my 90's gaming was limited to a demo of Duke Nukem 3D, sega, and a bit of playstation
[01:08] <Minataku> And whatever you piped in was processed and piped back out into it's own little page
[01:08] <rance> remember when games were command line based and you had to type the correct words and the correct spelling since there was no "fuzzy" about the logic
[01:08] <K-Ryan> I was only a tyke though, so yeah
[01:08] <Minataku> I'm only 21 myself
[01:08] <Minataku> lol
[01:08] <Dr_willis> 'put the hampster in the microwave'
[01:08] <K-Ryan> 15 almost 16, beat you =)
[01:08] <Dr_willis> 'get mail'
[01:08] <Minataku> Dr_willis: lol
[01:08] <dwidmann> My 90's gaming was limitted to my SNES
[01:08] <K-Ryan> Dr_willis that thing was hilarious
[01:09] <Dr_willis> Gotta Love Maniac Mansion.
[01:09] <Dr_willis> Day of The Tenacle
[01:09] <larson9999> Dr_willis: and scummvm
[01:09] <Minataku> One word: Chiptunes
[01:09] <Minataku> <3
[01:09] <Dr_willis> amazing thing is -- ive NEVER finished any of those games.
[01:09] <K-Ryan> Oh, I'm not sure if they work on Linux but you can always use Wine...
[01:09] <Dr_willis> well perhaps one of the Leiaure suit larry games.
[01:09] <K-Ryan> But 5 Days a Stranger, 7 Days a Skeptic, and Tribly's Notes
[01:09] <Dr_willis> Scummvm lets ya play most all them on linux
[01:09] <larson9999> i finished most of them
[01:10] <K-Ryan> Are GREAT point and clicks
[01:10] <Dr_willis> !info FOTQ
[01:10] <ubotu> Package fotq does not exist in any distro I know
[01:10] <K-Ryan> Must be played in that order though
[01:10] <Dr_willis> !find amazon
[01:10] <ubotu> Found: flight-of-the-amazon-queen, libamazon-ruby, libnet-amazon-perl
[01:10] <larson9999> i love adventure games
[01:10] <Minataku> Yeah, FOTAQ
[01:10] <Dr_willis> !info  flight-of-the-amazon-queen
[01:10] <ubotu> flight-of-the-amazon-queen: a fantasy adventure game. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.0-4ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 35682 kB, installed size 53028 kB
[01:10] <Dr_willis> Im stuck in that one.
[01:10] <Minataku> I gave up on that one
[01:10] <Minataku> I got stuck then stopped playing
[01:10] <Minataku> Never went back to it
[01:10] <larson9999> rance.  yep, the best graphics card is installed between your ears
[01:11] <Dr_willis> i couldent find the stuff for the tall-pygmy villiate
[01:11] <Dr_willis> villiage.
[01:11] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:11] <Minataku> As for audio, a chip that outputs square, triangle and sawtooth waves
[01:11] <Minataku> None of this fancy-pants sine wave crap
[01:11] <Minataku> XD
[01:11] <Dr_willis> who needs stero!
[01:11] <K-Ryan> www.reloaded.org is where you can get the games i mentioned, I highly recommend them to adventure/point and click fans
[01:12] <K-Ryan> horror/mystery
[01:12] <Minataku> Who needs a DSP
[01:12] <Minataku> lol
[01:12] <dwidmann> tall pygmy, isn't that like, a contradiction of terms?
[01:12] <K-Ryan> Best played during them middle of the night, lights off, alone
[01:12] <K-Ryan> dwidmann: lol
[01:12] <Dr_willis> dwidmann,  go play that FOTQ game. :)
[01:12] <grumbly> bbl
[01:13] <grumbly> Minataku: thanks for the help again
[01:13] <dwidmann> wow, a hefty download ...
[01:13] <K-Ryan> Well it isn't text based or anything
[01:13] <dwidmann> 40MB, more than I figured it would be
[01:13] <K-Ryan> It seems to have graphics, decent graphics for 95' too
[01:14] <K-Ryan> the voiceovers though...
[01:14] <mikey_la> yuriy: so when the next dist of kubuntu comes out, i have to reinstall kubuntu-desktop in order to upgrade? but for software pkg updates, i should be fine corect?
[01:14] <Minataku> My current wallpaper is so awesome... XD ( Sorry, don't intend to totally sidetrack, but Komugi is so cute )
[01:14] <dwidmann> K-Ryan: that's what mute is for
[01:15] <K-Ryan> It just sounds a little off
[01:15] <K-Ryan> It's not that bad
[01:15] <larson9999> touchkey is pretty nice
[01:16] <Minataku> Hm...
[01:16] <Minataku> !uade
[01:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about uade - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:16] <Minataku> :O
[01:16] <Minataku> Blasphemy!
[01:17] <facenew> OT: a 30-min movie mocking kim jong il and his secret agent buying something from china: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=EE52D9ED01495685
[01:17] <Minataku> <.<
[01:17] <dwidmann> 30 minutes of mockery, is that just the previews? :P
[01:17] <Minataku> lol
[01:18] <K-Ryan> I seem to be stuck in a room...
[01:18] <Minataku> Ever play those Flash games by Toshimitsu Takagi?
[01:18] <Minataku> Crimson Room
[01:19] <K-Ryan> played and beat it
[01:19] <K-Ryan> and viridian room
[01:19] <K-Ryan> however its spelt
[01:19] <Minataku> There's more
[01:19] <K-Ryan> Oh, I played them when there were two
[01:19] <Minataku> There's at least one more now
[01:19] <K-Ryan> I played crimson room when it had first come out
[01:19] <K-Ryan> I think so anyway
[01:19] <Minataku> White Chamber or something
[01:19] <drbeams> !easysource
[01:19] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[01:20] <drbeams> !mp3
[01:20] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:20] <Minataku> I don't think I ever beat the latest one
[01:20] <Minataku> Too hard
[01:22] <K-Ryan> try the games i mentioned before
[01:22] <K-Ryan> 5 days a stranger, 7 days a skeptic, trilb'ys notes
[01:22] <K-Ryan> in that order
[01:22] <K-Ryan> it will take a while to finish them all, but it has a great storyline
[01:22] <Dr_willis> I did finish one of the RIngworld games ages ago.
[01:24] <matt0507> hi, how do i find out which version of kde is running on my comp?
[01:24] <drbeams> where is the sources.lst kept ?
[01:24] <drbeams> kuake
[01:25] <Minataku> drbeams: In a reinforced titanium vault, deep in the earth's crust
[01:25] <K-Ryan> you have to take a minecart 50 stories into the earth
[01:25] <Minataku> It's location is oft fabled, but never known
[01:25] <drbeams>  /etc/apt/sources.lst
[01:25] <K-Ryan> then you will find a room with two doors
[01:26] <K-Ryan> the one on the left blows up if you open it, we haven't fixed that yet
[01:26] <Minataku> One black, one green
[01:26] <K-Ryan> You want to go in the right
[01:26] <K-Ryan> Remember, the door on the right
[01:26] <Minataku> K-Ryan: Wait... I thought the door on the right exploded
[01:26] <Minataku> Sh?t, did we forget again?
[01:26] <K-Ryan> Umm
[01:26] <K-Ryan> Oh no...
[01:26] <K-Ryan> I...I... sent my friend down there about an hour ago...
[01:26] <drbeams> he is not your friend anymore
[01:27] <K-Ryan> Man!
[01:27] <Minataku> That last guy got pretty pissed, considering the explosion consisted of rotten meat
[01:27] <Minataku> It's not so much an explosion as something really disgusting
[01:27] <gnomefreak> wtf
[01:27] <Minataku> lol
[01:27] <K-Ryan> lmao
[01:28] <Minataku> I mean, it's not gonna kill you or anything, but you certainly won't be happy if you open the wrong door
[01:28] <Minataku> X3
[01:29] <drbeams> morning Jucato
[01:29] <Minataku> gnomefreak: Just hang onto it until you're done
[01:29] <Jucato> morning drbeams
[01:29] <Minataku> If anything constantly doing that is more annoying than the people you're banning :P
[01:29] <gnomefreak> lol
[01:30] <Minataku> XD
[01:30] <surgy> !nvidia
[01:30] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:30] <surgy> hello
[01:30] <Minataku> Hi
[01:30] <drbeams> i noticed that easysource has medibuntu.  for i386 ?
[01:30] <surgy> so any tips before i try this again?
[01:30] <CakeProphet> so... erm... I'm having trouble getting permissions for things.
[01:30] <CakeProphet> on my default account... the only one I use.
[01:30] <drbeams> is there a way to get adept to show just medibuntu packages ?
[01:31] <CakeProphet> I was trying to access my Windows partition through kubuntu... but it says I don't have permission.
[01:31] <Jucato> !ntfs | CakeProphet
[01:31] <ubotu> CakeProphet: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions. For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[01:32] <Minataku> Doesn't OSX still use HFS+?
[01:32] <Jucato> probably
[01:33] <CakeProphet> but I mean... is there a way to simply eliminate permissions altogether?
[01:33] <Minataku> CakeProphet: This isn't DOS
[01:33] <CakeProphet> I'm the only one using my computer... I don't really want to give myself permission to do everything.
[01:33] <Minataku> CakeProphet: Even Windows NT has permissions
[01:33] <CakeProphet> ...and I don't want any restricting my access to my own computer.
[01:34] <Minataku> Of course Windows NT has you gallavanting around as that more-or-less-root Administrator by default
[01:34] <Jucato> CakeProphet: the permissions for NTFS is meant to write protect the NTFS partition because writing to NTFS from Linux is dangerous
[01:34] <Minataku> Which is why Windows is easy to hack with simple email attachments
[01:34] <CakeProphet> I don't want to write to NTFS
[01:35] <CakeProphet> I want to read stuff from it... and move it to whatever linux uses.
[01:35] <Minataku> In that case, CakeProphet seems to have a potential bug
[01:35] <CakeProphet> it's a hackish way to interchange stuff while I'm making the move.
[01:35] <Jucato> CakeProphet: anyway, take a look at that link for more info
[01:35] <Minataku> If whatever isn't mounting the NTFS with proper permissions
[01:35] <Jucato> Minataku: it's not a potential bug. by default, NTFS is only readable by the admin
[01:36] <Minataku> Ah... that's kinda stupid
[01:36] <Minataku> Especially on a system that demands root never be used
[01:36] <niko__> Hey, i just installed kubuntu from the livecd, it installed grub, but i want tu use windoes as default OS ( im not the only one using this computer) Can som1 help me?
[01:36] <CakeProphet> I traversed ye ol' file trees to /dev/hdp2  ...but it said I couldn't open it.
[01:36] <Jucato> Minataku: ??
[01:36] <Minataku> !grub
[01:36] <surgy> cakeporphet: use kmenu > system settings > advanced > and then disks and filesystems
[01:36] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:36] <niko__> thanks
[01:36] <inteliwasp> could someone point me to a tutorial on how to get teamspeak to work?
[01:37] <Minataku> Jucato: How is the NTFS partition mounted? If it's mounted so only root can access it, that's a dumb idea since Kubuntu doesn't want anyone using root
[01:37] <Jucato> CakeProphet: you really can't open /dev files
[01:37] <Minataku> Oh
[01:37] <drbeams> ah, yes, you can specify just medibuntu packages
[01:37] <Jucato> Minataku: that's what sudo is for
[01:37] <CakeProphet> oh... so how do I access my other partitions?
[01:37] <Jucato> CakeProphet: um.... the link given above?
[01:37] <Minataku> Jucato: sudo cd and sudo ls over and over is hardly a useful solution
[01:38] <surgy> cake prophet i told you
[01:38] <Jucato> Minataku: um... we're talking about GUI? so kdesu konqueror is enough
[01:38] <Minataku> Jucato: Oh, right... I forgot
[01:38] <Jucato> Minataku: there's also sudo -i if you want a "root prompt"
[01:38] <Minataku> I do all my file administration from the CLI
[01:39] <CakeProphet> well.... see...
[01:39] <Minataku> As for externam mounts I handle them so I don't need to be root for at least daily access
[01:39] <CakeProphet> I don't have inetnet access from kubuntu
[01:39] <CakeProphet> internet
[01:39] <CakeProphet> so I can't wget the diskmounter
[01:39] <CakeProphet> thing
[01:39] <surgy> cakeprophet you dont need internet access its all in the kde gui allready
[01:40] <drbeams> what is that drop down thingy called, kuake something
[01:40] <Jucato> drbeams: Yakuake
[01:41] <drbeams> ya, i always forget the Ya
[01:41] <surgy> cakeprophet: kdemenu > system settings > advanced > disks and file systems   then go into administrative mode and follow tool tips
[01:41] <Jucato> CakeProphet: no need for that. either do the manual mounting (to learn) or use the Disk & Filesystems in System Settings, as suggested by surgy
[01:41] <Minataku> Sorry, I constantly forget that not everyone is as versed in operating Linux as I am
[01:41] <drbeams> is there a Cli primer for kubuntu ?
[01:42] <Jucato> !cli
[01:42] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[01:42] <Minataku> There better be
[01:42] <CakeProphet> alright, thanks.
[01:42] <Minataku> lol
[01:44] <ubuntu> surgy: i got the script
[01:45] <surgy> ubuntu: your k-ryan?
[01:45] <surgy> pm me
[01:46] <posingaspopular> uh join #dew again
[01:46] <posingaspopular> pms wont work
[01:48] <Cuddles_in_KY> ok folks.
[01:48] <drbeams> thx Jucato
[01:48] <Cuddles_in_KY> 3 days now, and still no luck getting ndiswrapper working.
[01:49] <malik_> which FF is better?.........one from repos or one from FF website?
[01:49] <Cuddles_in_KY> i've followed the howto on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=297092 but it still doesn't work. can someone -please- help me?
[01:51] <Cuddles_in_KY> i'm on a dell latitude, using a linksys wpc300n card, if that helps.
[01:52] <surgy> minataku: got glx working again
[01:53] <mado> hallo / hello
[01:53] <Minataku> surgy: Nice
[01:54] <mado> can anyone please help me?
[01:54] <flaccid> sure
[01:54] <flaccid> whats the prob
[01:54] <sleepy745> does SuperKarama use alot of cpu up
[01:54] <surgy> thank you
[01:54] <mado> i hope i can explain it in english because english isn't my mother tongue ...
[01:54] <Jucato> sleepy745: it depends on the theme you are using
[01:55] <mado> some folders disappeard in the k-menu and i don't know why ...
[01:55] <Jucato> sleepy745: some SK themes seem to be buggy and eat up cpu. some are perfectly fine
[01:55] <levi__> can someone help me configure pidentd
[01:55] <levi__> ?
[01:55] <sleepy745> just liquid weather and clock
[01:55] <mado> i edited the menu with the kde-menu-editor ...
[01:56] <mado> and i moved a folder to another place ... saved the changes ... but the folder doesn't show up in the menu
[01:56] <mado> why is that?
[01:58] <mado> flaccid, ... can you help me?
[01:58] <mado> or anyone else?
[01:58] <flaccid> mado: i don't know
[01:58] <flaccid> nothing you can do about it
[01:58] <flaccid> unless you can be more specific
[01:59] <Minataku> mado: What is your native language?
[01:59] <Minataku> We provide a number of channels for non-English speakers
[01:59] <Alarm> which application could i install that would show on my desktop info about memory usage, hard disk usage and so on ?
[01:59] <mado> german *smiling a bit* ... but the germans and austrians couldn't help me with the problem ...
[01:59] <mado> so i came to you guys
[01:59] <Minataku> Ah, that would present a dilemma
[01:59] <Minataku> lol
[01:59] <flaccid> its not a problem you can help with.
[01:59] <flaccid> unfortunately
[02:00] <Minataku> Alarm: gkrellm
[02:00] <Minataku> !gkrellm
[02:00] <ubotu> gkrellm: The GNU Krell Monitors. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.2.9-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 733 kB, installed size 2060 kB
[02:00] <mado> anybody else who has an idea to solve my problem?
[02:00] <Alarm> okie, any other as an alternative otpion ? :)
[02:00] <Minataku> mado: Unfortunately, I do not
[02:00] <Minataku> !xosview
[02:00] <ubotu> xosview: X based system monitor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.8.2-9 (edgy), package size 84 kB, installed size 272 kB
[02:01] <flaccid> mado: there is no solution, thus nobody is helping
[02:01] <Alarm> thank you
[02:01] <Minataku> np
[02:01] <mado> so what should i do now?
[02:01] <Minataku> Move the folder back?
[02:01] <flaccid> mado: you are missing kmenu items?
[02:01] <mado> i tried ... but it doesn't show up
[02:02] <mado> yes flaccid
[02:02] <Alarm>  gkrellm looks great...thats what i wanted. thank you again Minataku
[02:02] <mado> i miss a folder / an entry / an item ... in my k-menu
[02:02] <flaccid> add them again or copy them for a fresh user who has logged in once and ensure perms are correct
[02:02] <flaccid> kmenueditor
[02:02] <flaccid> just manually add them, done?
[02:03] <mado> here's the whole story ...
[02:03] <mado> i created a folder in the k-menu ...
[02:03] <flaccid> we have already heard it :)
[02:03] <jarn> Hrm... Where is History in Konqueror? I can't seem to find it.
[02:04] <mado> ok ... i'm not repeating it
[02:04] <flaccid> jarn: press f9 click on history button on left
[02:04] <jarn> flaccid: Thanks!
[02:04] <flaccid> np.. that annoys me too. you would think they would put it in the menu
[02:05] <Jucato> flaccid: it is in the default Konqueror menus. but Kubuntu removed that menu
[02:05] <flaccid> really
[02:05] <flaccid> um why heh
[02:06] <flaccid> i'm on freebsd atm and i can't find it either
[02:06] <Jucato> flaccid: yes. default KDE Konqueror has a Go and a Window menu. the Go menu has an entry for History
[02:06] <flaccid> um
[02:06] <flaccid> well i'm on freebsd i don't have a go menu
[02:06] <flaccid> ujm
[02:06] <flaccid> heh i'm not even drunk
[02:07] <flaccid> i just realised i was on kubuntu
[02:07] <flaccid> heheheh
[02:07] <flaccid> ah well
[02:07] <flaccid> i'll check when i get home :)
[02:07] <Jucato> flaccid: too much beer? :P
[02:07] <flaccid> not enough hehe
[02:07] <Jucato> you can return those menus if you want
[02:08] <mado> don't tell me that some of you are drunk too
[02:08] <jarn> Jucato: How?
[02:08] <elbridge> hey do you guys know how to set up a windows shared folder on Kubuntu
[02:08] <Jucato> http://jucato.org/kde/konq-profiles.html <--- follow up to #2 if you just want to get the Go and Window menus back
[02:08] <mado> so ...
[02:08] <mado> i will go away now ...
[02:08] <mado> but before i do that ...
[02:09] <mado> is there a way to talk to the kde-developers ?
[02:09] <flaccid> i wish i was tiefenrausch :)
[02:09] <mado> i want to tell somebody of this problem
[02:09] <mado> tiefenrausch?
[02:09] <mado> what is that?
[02:09] <Jucato> mado: K Menu problem?
[02:09] <flaccid> elbridge: kcontrol -> samba is best gui tool
[02:09] <mado> yes Jucato
[02:09] <Jucato> mado let me scroll up a bit
[02:09] <flaccid> thanks Jucato
[02:10] <flaccid> mado: being extremely rausch
[02:10] <elbridge> i think i've got everything set up but i still can't gain access to the kubuntu machine
[02:10] <elbridge> i used samba
[02:10] <mado> rausch sounds like a german word to me
[02:10] <flaccid> mado: why don't you add the items and fix the problem instead of wasting your time telling more people
[02:10] <flaccid> yeah it means drunk/uber
[02:10] <mado> i already tried adding the items ...
[02:10] <flaccid> i think
[02:10] <mado> it does not work
[02:11] <flaccid> but it also means the deep blue :)
[02:11] <Jucato> mado: got to ~/.config/menus/  then rename or delete something like applications.menu. that will return the default K Menu
[02:11] <mado> blue like in desperate?
[02:11] <flaccid> mado: instead of saying it does not work. say what it does.
[02:11] <flaccid> mado: i'm not sure. need to ask german producer, kai tracid about it :)
[02:11] <Jucato> mado: applications-kmenuedit.menu to be exact
[02:12] <flaccid> i'd just restore it like Jucato said
[02:12] <mado> jeez ... the folder i created ... i can't see it in the k-menu
[02:12] <mado> but i can see it in the editor
[02:12] <jarn> Jucato: It says "Kubuntu has modified Konqueror to include features and settings that are commonly used, making the interface much simpler and easier to use. Some users, however, prefer to have all the bells and whistles." So did they add or remove things? Or both?
[02:12] <Jucato> mado: let's first try to restore your K Menu to normal :)
[02:12] <Jucato> jarn: they removed some, added some :)
[02:12] <mado> i don't want to restore it ... not now ... it took me more than two hours to change the menu
[02:13] <flaccid> i don't see how removing a way to get to history makes it simpler and easier to use :(
[02:13] <jarn> Jucato: Is there a way to only put back the stuff they took out, while keeping the stuff they added?
[02:13] <Jucato> mado: ok.. it will take you less since you already know what to do, but your call...
[02:13] <Jucato> jarn: yes. that guide doesn't remove anything they've added
[02:13] <BluesKaj> well, i found konq to be a much easier to use internet browser than previous versions ...I use FF mostly tho.
[02:13] <flaccid> mado: check owner/perms on the files. you didn't do anything under root or another user?
[02:13] <Jucato> Jucato: most of what they added are hardcoded so you can't remove them without much difficulty
[02:14] <mado> i installed a game with the tool adept ...
[02:14] <Jucato> er.. jarn ^^^^
[02:14] <mado> then i created a folder for the game ...
[02:14] <jarn> Jucato: The one on the page or the links at the top where it says "Instructions at xxxx"?
[02:14] <flaccid> kubuntu forks a bit imo
[02:14] <Jucato> Jucato: nah those are just mirrors.
[02:14] <mado> neither the game nor the folder can be seen in the menu
[02:14] <Jucato> lol
[02:14] <Jucato> jarn: those are just mirrors of the guide
[02:14] <ubuntu> ^^!
[02:14] <Jucato> mado: what game? some games really don't show up in the K Menu
[02:15] <jarn> Jucato: Ah.
[02:15] <jarn> Jucato: Thanks!
[02:15] <mado> this one did the last time i installed it ...
[02:15] <malik_> can some one tell me whats the best multimedia plugins and player to use in kubuntu edgy?
[02:15] <mado> to be more correctly ...
[02:15] <mado> currently some games don't show up
[02:16] <Jucato> malik_: the "best" will be the one that works for "you"
[02:16] <Jucato> mado: that's normal
[02:16] <malik_> oki thats confusing because at the moment nothin is working satisfactorily
[02:17] <sselemanluos> anyone know where gaim stores its logs?
[02:17] <Jucato> malik_: ok, what's not working? what media are you trying t play?
[02:17] <Jucato> sselemanluos: um... probably ask in #gaim or in #ubuntu ?
[02:17] <mado> Jucato, ... you say it's normal for folders to just disappear?
[02:17] <Jucato> they'd know better
[02:17] <malik_> so i need sauggestion what kind of multimedia player for streaming i shud use .........to be able to play stuff from bbc /npr.org/ and also from ninemsn and msnbc websites
[02:17] <Jucato> mado: no. it's normal that some games don't appear in the K Menu
[02:18] <malik_> like how do i play asx file types
[02:18] <Jucato> malik_: it really depends on what format those sites use. Kaffeine can do those with the proper backend. Some swear by mplayer though
[02:18] <malik_> wma files
[02:18] <flaccid> !multimedia
[02:18] <ubotu> For multimedia codecs see: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html and for applications see this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[02:18] <flaccid> worth a read for anything multimedia ^^^
[02:18] <Jucato> malik_: for Kaffeine to be able to play WMA/WMV you need w32codecs
[02:18] <flaccid> i like xine for video, amarok for audio
[02:19] <malik_> not to be rude but all these help pages are for ubuntu nothin specific on kubuntu
[02:19] <Jucato> malik_: not to be offensive, but have you read them at all?
[02:19] <flaccid> ubuntu and kubuntu use the same codecs, just different apps to play them...
[02:19] <flaccid> hehe
[02:19] <BluesKaj> kKaffeine & VLC
[02:19] <Jucato> !codecs | malik_
[02:19] <ubotu> malik_: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:20] <malik_> i have w32 codecs but every time i click on a wma link i have to tell FF to play it with kaffeine and i have tyo do it everytime
[02:20] <Jucato> malik_: then it's a problem with Firefox's settings
[02:20] <flaccid> malik_: change default association for it in konqueror settings
[02:20] <flaccid> and check firefox also..
[02:20] <Jucato> flaccid: err... FF
[02:20] <malik_> i have installed w32codecs as well as kaffeine as well as mplayer and also libxine-extra codecs
[02:21] <flaccid> Jucato: might be good to set for system as well
[02:21] <Jucato> malik_: good. but Firefox uses its own settings so you'd have to set it separately
[02:21] <malik_> how do i do that?
[02:21] <flaccid> most users use more than 1 browser eg. konqueror as well and open things from konqueror
[02:21] <Jucato> flaccid: it's normally set by default to use Kaffeine. but Firefox and non-KDE apps are a whole different herd
[02:22] <flaccid> yes
[02:22] <Jucato> malik_: that's where my help ends.. I know nothing about FF
[02:22] <flaccid> my point is why change it for firefox is the other behaviours are not what you want..
[02:22] <mado> there is another way to describe my problem ...
[02:22] <flaccid> ie. have to change for firefox, konqueror and opera...
[02:22] <mado> when i open the kde-menu-editor ...
[02:22] <mado> and change something ...
[02:22] <flaccid> 3 different associations
[02:22] <mado> when i save the change ...
[02:22] <mado> the change can't be seen
[02:23] <flaccid> mado: submit a bug if you believe the problem is kde an not you
[02:23] <flaccid> better still search the bugs to see if it has been identified by another user first
[02:24] <malik_> Jucato: if u use konqi then can u plz tell me how to play stuff from msn.com and ninemsn.com.au ?
[02:24] <Jucato> malik_: give me a link with media from one of those sites and I'll check
[02:24] <flaccid> i'm in australia too, that would be nice for me too :)
[02:24] <mado> yeah ... i will ... thanks
[02:24] <flaccid> !bugs > mado
[02:25] <Jucato> malik_: anyway, most codecs are handled well by mplayer without need for additional installations
[02:25] <hagabaka> why does my screensaver just show a white X?
[02:25] <drbeams> !flash
[02:25] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:25] <Jucato> so if you have mplayer/kmplayer/kplayer as your default player/embedded player for .asx or .wma, you're good to go
[02:25] <dope> if i have an old laptop sitting around can i put linux on it and sell it to someone?
[02:26] <youcan7733> I seriously need to recovery my AIM pass... what's the easiest way?
[02:26] <Jucato> um... go to AIM's website?
[02:26] <youcan7733> (I forgot what I put for AIM's info tho... )
[02:26] <malik_> Jucato: http://ninemsn.video.msn.com/v/en-au/req.aspx?r=8&hf=1&h=http%3A//ninemsn.video.msn.com/v/en-au/v.htm%3Ff%3D39%26g%3Daaadf2bf-3708-4cd9-8453-7aab7fdca2ec%26p%3Dausport_ausportnews%26t%3Ds29%26mediaid%3D30698   ................  thats the link i am tryin to play in konqi
[02:26] <Jucato> youcan7733: youcan7733: from Kopete? you can check the kwallet if it was saved
[02:26] <Jucato> malik_: ok let me check
[02:27] <malik_> it wont play niether in konqi nor in FF
[02:27] <youcan7733> never use the wallet Jucato :(
[02:27] <youcan7733> I need some serious hacker advice, but I would use it just for my pass.
[02:27] <Jucato> malik_: hm... there's a problem... "This product requires Microsoft Internet Explorer 6, Microsoft Media Player 10, and Macromedia Flash 6. To download these free software applications, click the links below and follow the on-screen instructions."
[02:27] <flaccid> hagabaka: its a bug in kubuntu
[02:28] <hagabaka> is there a solution?
[02:28] <flaccid> hagabaka: yeah but it doesn't always work
[02:28] <youcan7733> my boyfriend is mad and wants me to have my old password LMAO
[02:28] <phobiac> Jucato: What browser are you running?
[02:28] <Jucato> phobiac: Konqueror.
[02:28] <flaccid> if you google white x screensaver bug ubuntu you'll probably find it
[02:28] <hagabaka> ok
[02:29] <flaccid> it relates to acpi and is one of the reasons i left kubuntu
[02:29] <I_Died_Once> I have a question, running Kubuntu on a computer thats got a nvidia motherboard....
[02:29] <I_Died_Once> we need the forcedeth.c driver
[02:29] <malik_> yes thats my prob
[02:29] <phobiac> Jucato: Oh, wait, I misread what you wrote. I don't know how to help. Sorry.
[02:29] <I_Died_Once> found it for suse and red hat
[02:29] <malik_> thing is i can play msn.com website using FF
[02:30] <malik_> but not ninemsn.com.au
[02:30] <I_Died_Once> where would i put this file if i found a compatible one?
[02:30] <malik_> and msn.com will load but playnothin if i use konqi with fake FF identifiction
[02:30] <Jucato> malik_: I thought you said you couldn't play that site in both Konqueror and Firefox?
[02:31] <phobiac> malik: That site is working for me. Are you missing plugins maybe?
[02:31] <Jucato> phobiac: what browser?
[02:31] <phobiac> Firefox
[02:31] <Jucato> ah
[02:32] <phobiac> I'll test in konq
[02:32] <malik_> phobiac: which browser and which site u are talking abt?
[02:32] <phobiac> Firefox and http://ninemsn.com.au/
[02:32] <phobiac> Works fine in konq too.
[02:32] <Jucato> malik_: remember that Browser Identification is really just a hack. it's not a real solution when sites force you to use a certain browser. sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't
[02:32] <Jucato> phobiac: how about that other link he gave?
[02:32] <malik_> phobiac: what settings?
[02:33] <erik_> anyone have any hints on getting Xgl running?
[02:33] <phobiac> Which one?
[02:33] <malik_> i cant play any video streams from ninemsn.com.au
[02:33] <phobiac> malik: What do you mean what settings?
[02:33] <erik_> I've tried with: Xgl :1 -fullscreen -ac -accel xv:pbuffer -accel glx:pbuffer&&DISPLAY=:1
[02:33] <phobiac> malik: Do you have the flash plugin installed?
[02:34] <Jucato> erik_: try in #ubuntu-xgl
[02:34] <malik_> yes i have flash 9 installed
[02:34] <phobiac> Speaking of the flash plugin, I'm having issues with me losing sound completely on flash movies.
[02:34] <phobiac> malik: Is your main browser konq or firefox?
[02:34] <erik_> juncato: ta
[02:34] <Jucato> phobiac: where are the videos on ninemsn?
[02:35] <phobiac> There's one right on the front page.
[02:35] <phobiac> It's got a picture of Trump.
[02:35] <Jucato> ah ok
[02:35] <phobiac> I clicked the play button and it plays fine.
[02:35] <dope> what is VmSize in the taskmanager
[02:35] <Jucato> malik_, phobiac: plays here too
[02:35] <phobiac> dope: How much virtual memory you're using
[02:35] <phobiac> Err an app is using
[02:35] <rance> I have what I think is an *advanced* problem with sound in kubuntu, Ive tried with TWO different sound cards and in BOTH cases the sound card is correctly recognized by the system, and the right module is loaded, and even aver the channels are unmuted, there is still no sound, what gives?
[02:35] <dope> how do i find how much ram each processes is using up
[02:36] <Jucato> dope: I heard from a KDE dev that doesn't really indicate anything useful, like RAM usage
[02:36] <dope> crap
[02:36] <phobiac> rance: Do your speakers work? It could be hardware.
[02:36] <dope> i have 101 processes running.  is that normal?
[02:36] <Jucato> dope: maybe "top" would be more useful
[02:36] <Jucato> dope: yes normal. I have 103 :)
[02:36] <crimsun> rance: is the problem reproducible and in effect _right this moment_?
[02:36] <phobiac> Well from what I know virtual memory is like RAM, but it's on your hardrive.
[02:36] <dope> ah ok
[02:36] <malik_> cud it be the reason that i have mplayer installed as well as w32codecs?
[02:36] <Jucato> crimsun!!!! :)_
[02:36] <Jucato> dope: you use Konqueror?
[02:37] <dope> swiftfox
[02:37] <Jucato> hm...
[02:37] <dope> i use konqueror for file browsing
[02:37] <Jucato> you have a lot kio_* stuff opened, I guess. nothing harmful
[02:37] <dope> sometimes my windows are black
[02:37] <rance> I have sound with knoppix so it isnt a hardware problem, and yes I dont have sound right now
[02:37] <malik_> phobiac: what kinda plugins u r using with FF to play stuff from ninemsn.com.au?
[02:37] <Jucato> dope: huh? hum....
[02:37] <dope> with beryl
[02:37] <Jucato> dope: aah... not a KDE problem then
[02:37] <dope> beryl is so buggy
[02:37] <phobiac> malik: Well that video was a flash movie, so it's the flash plugin.
[02:37] <dope> yea i know
[02:38] <malik_> i have flsh plugin installed
[02:38] <malik_> shockwave flash
[02:38] <phobiac> rance: Have you messed around with the sound settings in system settings?
[02:38] <dope> is there some sort of program i can get that'll behave like a mac when you put your cursor in the top right it spaces all the windows out for you
[02:38] <Jucato> crimsun: sorry to bother you....but you have any idea when Flash 9 final will be available in the repos?
[02:39] <dope> anyone know what i'm talkin about
[02:39] <foxbunny> any windows users lurking here?
[02:39] <foxbunny> no?
[02:39] <Jucato> !kompose | dope
[02:39] <crimsun> Jucato: it was in 7.04 about a half-day after it went public
[02:39] <ubotu> kompose: full screen task manager for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.3-1.3 (edgy), package size 92 kB, installed size 432 kB
[02:39] <phobiac> malik: Do you actually see the videos and they won't play, or do you not see them?
[02:39] <crimsun> Jucato: it will be backported to 6.10 probably tomorrow
[02:39] <Jucato> crimsun: aaah. just have to wait for a backport then :)
[02:39] <malik_> phbiac: i dont see them
[02:39] <phobiac> foxbunny: I recently migrated from windows, I *might* be able to help.
[02:40] <phobiac> Probably a better idea to go to #windows though.
[02:40] <malik_> it asks me to install IE when i try it in FF
[02:40] <rance> phobiac: yes I have tried several choices for "audio device" but no help
[02:40] <foxbunny> phobiac: no I was just checking if there were any windows users... :)
[02:40] <crimsun> rance: ok, are you currently running a fresh install of Kubuntu 6.10?
[02:40] <phobiac> malik: The flash plugin isn't working then, maybe it's not executable.
[02:40] <foxbunny> anyway, as a member of my local LUG, I've started a covert op kind of project
[02:40] <foxbunny> it'c called OpenShare
[02:40] <foxbunny> OSP for short
[02:40] <phobiac> dope: Beryl can do that
[02:41] <dope> yea i know but beryl is buggy and eats up a ton of ram
[02:41] <rance> crimsun: installed it fresh today, updates applied, and some other apps installed but its a fresh install on formatted disks
[02:41] <dope> and is slow
[02:41] <phobiac> I think anyway, if I'm understanding you right.
[02:41] <foxbunny> we systematically bundle Windows versions of free software whenever appropriate
[02:41] <phobiac> dope: Only thing I know that does that. Sorry.
[02:42] <crimsun> rance: ok, please pastebin the output from ``amixer && lspci -nv''
[02:43] <foxbunny> why didn't Edgy come with Beryl/Comiz/XGL anyway? Wasn't it supposed to be cutting edge? I was a liiitle bit dissappointed...
[02:43] <rance> sure
[02:43] <phobiac> Berly is still a bit buggy.
[02:43] <phobiac> Beryl*
[02:43] <crimsun> foxbunny: would you rather have had a release that crashes consistently?
[02:44] <regeya> whee.
[02:44] <phobiac> Beryl is easy enough to get working, at least it was for me. The real issue isn't beryl(usually), but bad video card support.
[02:44] <foxbunny> crimsun: no, but I'd rather that there was less talk about being cutting edge. It hurts the reputation.
[02:44] <regeya> crimsun: "there's a reason they call it edgy dummy"
[02:44] <foxbunny> I see Mandriva users laughing at us because of it.
[02:45] <crimsun> foxbunny: that's their problem, not ours.
[02:45] <foxbunny> crimsun: so you say... :)
[02:45] <regeya> people haven't figured out that *ubuntu == hopefully stable
[02:45] <rance> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2508/
[02:46] <foxbunny> regeya: aw, I have used many distros but Ubuntu is not consistent in that department
[02:46] <phobiac> So I'm having an issue with the flash 9 plugin. In firefox, I'll lose sound on flash videos and sometimes they won't play at all. The only way I can fix it is to restart firefox.
[02:46] <phobiac> For example, the music videos at fabchannel lose sound but keep playing, while youtube videos refuse to play (without sound) for more then two seconds.
[02:46] <foxbunny> regeya: not to say that edgy is not stable, tho
[02:47] <regeya> foxbunny: I've not seen a distribution yet that's consistent in that department
[02:47] <foxbunny> regeya: try Arch Linux
[02:47] <phobiac> Anyone having this problem and know a fix?
[02:47] <regeya> foxbunny: I'm not changing my answer.
[02:47] <foxbunny> regeya: it is stable even though it uses a rolling release system
[02:47] <phobiac> Or better yet, had the problem and know a fix that worked?
[02:47] <regeya> feh.
[02:47] <foxbunny> regeya: hey, I'm not telling you not to use Ubuntu... even I use it
[02:48] <crimsun> rance: amixer set 'IEC958 5V' mute
[02:48] <regeya> there are people who think gentoo is stable
[02:48] <regeya> and it can be...but eh
[02:49] <foxbunny> regeya: every distro has its own advantages... stability just happens not to have been on my list when I chose Kubuntu... :)
[02:49] <foxbunny> ack, bad english...
[02:49] <foxbunny> gotta learn that twist
[02:50] <rance> ok, thats done, "Test Sound doesnt have sound
[02:50] <crimsun> rance: is only one audio card connected currently?
[02:50] <crimsun> (I only see one pci at least)
[02:51] <rance> yes, its a 5.1 surround card, there is a card integrated into the MB but that is disabled in the bios
[02:51] <crimsun> rance: is it a cmipci?
[02:53] <foxbunny> has anyone used Compiz with KDE?
[02:53] <rance> it is an AOpen Cobra AW-850 that uses the cmipci chipset
[02:53] <crimsun> rance: amixer set 'Line' 80%,80%,unmute
[02:54] <rance> done, no sound
[02:55] <jarn> Jucato: Does Kubuntu take funcionality away from anything else, do you know?
[02:55] <Thehound666> I reinstalled the nvidia card and now my OS feels like new. It was a bit sluggish too
[02:55] <Thehound666> no more choppy animations, etc
[02:55] <crimsun> rance: are you actually using the 'Line In' jack for speakers?
[02:56] <rance> no, Im not using LINE IN for speakers, Im using the "Front" connection for speakers, LINE IN would be for a sound INPUT INTO the system
[02:56] <rance> right?
[02:57] <crimsun> rance: you'd think that.
[02:57] <regeya> someone name a cheapo card which would nonetheless handle the fancy new eyecandy nicely
[02:58] <regeya> I mean, I wouldn't know; alls I know is that, on OS X, when Quartz Extreme came along, the G4 I was using at the time inherited an Nvidia card ;-) bt I'm clueless on this
[02:58] <crimsun> rance: however, the cmipci codecs have a quirk in which the Line-In actually functions as a Line-Out as well, and by toggling the output to 'Rear Output', it functions audibly. However, the ALSA code has it backward, so you actually need to use 'Line-In' for the mode.
[02:58] <foxbunny> regeya: I think I remember people having some success with Intel cards... but I think they only come as integrated cards on Intel mobos...
[02:59] <regeya> d'oh!  I'll keep that in mind tho foxbunny :>  I suppose that would mean macbooks would do well heh
[02:59] <rance> ok, I'll plug the speakers in the other port and try again, any chance this bug gets "fixed"
[02:59] <crimsun> rance: not without breaking other things.
[03:00] <foxbunny> regeya: I don't know about that... but the fact is that Intel has opened the sources to their drivers...
[03:00] <rance> so when I get real surround sound speakers, will they work?
[03:00] <crimsun> rance: yes, but you'll need custom routing (ttables)
[03:01] <rance> ok, thanks for the help, Ill have to shutdown to move the box to get to the back, but thanks for the help
[03:02] <intelikey> shut down to move box....   hmmmm
[03:02] <esaym> anyway to turn off automatic updates or change when to check for them?
[03:02] <Thehound666> hey guys, it seems putting back in the nvidia card solves the rest of my issues with this OS, like jumpy icons that just about freeze, slow GUI loading but if anyone knows how to get a Radeon 9200 to work well, I'd be all ears
[03:02] <rance> it my desk, it has a built in pc section, but I cant pull it out
[03:03] <rance> it looks cool, but its a pain
[03:03] <intelikey> rance yeah i was mintal picturing reasons for that..
[03:03] <rance> I know, thats why I shared
[03:03] <intelikey> or maybe i'm mental    idk
[03:04] <rance> thanks for the help crimsun and everyone
[03:04] <Thehound666> not too important. I did get the ATI for 3D acceleration though
[03:05] <intelikey> !ati | Thehound666
[03:05] <ubotu> Thehound666: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:05] <intelikey> i'm sure you've been there.
[03:06] <intelikey> esaym i don't know what is starting your automatic updates   but yes there are ways.
[03:06] <esaym> Its just all defualt
[03:07] <intelikey> esaym you could use   pstree  to find what is calling it maybe.   probably kde.   if so kcontrol should have a way to disable it.
[03:07] <esaym> I looked at the cron files and didn't see much
[03:07] <esaym> hmm
[03:07] <Thehound666> ok so I want the closed drivers in the case of ATI?
[03:07] <Thehound666> I been using open for both nvidia and ati
[03:07] <intelikey> esaym hehhe yeah but i've seen "default kubuntu" about two times and that didn't take long to change.
[03:08] <esaym> lol
[03:08] <intelikey> Thehound666 i don't know anything more than pointing you to the link     maybe someone else...
[03:08] <esaym> I will look into pstree.  Didn't know about it
[03:09] <esaym> intelikey you always answer my questions, thanks!
[03:09] <intelikey> np
[03:09] <Thehound666> just seems strange. I been having all this progressive slowness in Kubuntu. I change back to my old card and it feels 100x faster
[03:09] <Thehound666> but thanks anyways
[03:10] <intelikey> :)
[03:10] <dope> how is it that i'm using half a gig of ram?
[03:10] <intelikey> Xerroz feisty for developers ?     feisty is the next schedualed release.
[03:10] <Dr_willis> dope,  drive cache
[03:11] <Thehound666> I don't dare try feisty yet
[03:11] <intelikey> dope you probably aren't using that much.    free -m   look at the -/+ cache line
[03:12] <dope> says 854
[03:12] <dope> free
[03:12] <intelikey> the first line shows what is allocated the second -/+ shows how much is used.
[03:12] <Xerroz> intelikey, yes, however its still under development ('for developers'), so you would think, for the time being, the packages would be built with debugging symbols
[03:13] <Thehound666> well suppose I could try feisty within a VM just to see what it looks like :P
[03:13] <intelikey> linux allocates ram like a hog but uses it pretty sparingly for most things.
[03:13] <dope> damn son
[03:13] <dope> i want my megabytes back
[03:13] <Dr_willis> dope,  why ....
[03:13] <Dr_willis> if its not being needed by anythign else.. disk cache is the best use for it.
[03:14] <dope> cause they're mine
[03:14] <dope> what kind of memory manager does linux use?
[03:14] <Thehound666> dope: unused RAM is wasted RAM when you come up with a memory allocation system. Something Bill Gates has not learned
[03:14] <intelikey> dope the kernel
[03:14] <Thehound666> you'll get used to the idea
[03:14] <Xerroz> dope, unless your using large amounts of swap its not likely that memory isnt available for use..
[03:14] <Dr_willis> pull out the memory stick.. and stick it in your pocket.. there ya go.. all yours...
[03:15] <bubear> hey, I'm getting an error message when trying to use a flash drive (permissions?)... I'm an ultimate Kubuntu noob, can anyone help?
[03:15] <Thehound666> I run Kubuntu on a Pentium 3 with 320 and also an Athlon 4200+ with 2 gigs and a VM with 512 MB
[03:15] <Thehound666> it uses the RAM fully in all of them
[03:16] <Thehound666> but still runs ok in all
[03:16] <indra> anyone know how to setting the konqueror? i always gets the error message when trying to access any website
[03:16] <intelikey> these guys with 2g/+ ram and dubble the swap  crack me up....    here i am with the same software and 98m ram no swap and no problems....   another box with 256m ram and no swap and no problem....    :)
[03:17] <intelikey> guys just ignore it unless you start having trubble.
[03:17] <Thehound666> the 2 gig pc has no swap
[03:17] <Thehound666> :)
[03:18] <intelikey> if things start crashing then it's time to look into ram usage.
[03:18] <intelikey> the kernels OOMK works very well
[03:18] <Thehound666> well it's important they know that full RAM usage is normal and Bill Gates is just backwards
[03:18] <indra> bubear, maybe you can check by 'sudo fdisk -l' and see if your device have been detected
[03:19] <Thehound666> Macs use full RAM too
[03:19] <intelikey> OOMK=out of memory kill    fyi
[03:20] <Thehound666> I've never triggered it, even on the Pentium 3
[03:20] <bubear> it's being detected, and it used to work on my machine... it's telling me "A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient"
[03:20] <Thehound666> that should tell people something
[03:20] <Thehound666> :)
[03:20] <intelikey> yes it should
[03:20] <bubear> it just won't mount
[03:20] <intelikey> i have on the p1 98m ram box  but never noticed it on the 256m box
[03:21] <indra> try this.. 'sudo mount -a', but you must configure file: /etc/fstab
[03:22] <shinigami> hi help.. i just upgraded dapper to edgy.. now i on my laptop, it won't go into kde...stuck at terminal..press ctrl alt f7 also goes to blank screen
[03:22] <shinigami> what shd i do
[03:22] <bubear> alright, I have the file open, what should i do?
[03:22] <intelikey> Thehound666 and i've gotten the lecture several times about how "linux needs swap"   :)
[03:23] <Thehound666> meh on smaller machines, swap doesn't hurt
[03:23] <Thehound666> gives a large app room before kill
[03:23] <intelikey> shinigami dmesg
[03:23] <Thehound666> Linux doesn't overswap like Windows
[03:23] <indra> check your device of course...
[03:23] <Thehound666> called pagefile in windows
[03:23] <intelikey> Thehound666 i agree.   swap is useful.  but not needful.
[03:24] <shinigami> nothing unusual.. except one line that says Asus ACPI: LED (WLED) write failed
[03:24] <indra> do u know the name of your device? maybe /dev/hdc1..
[03:25] <indra> sorry, i mean /dev/hdc
[03:25] <bubear> my device isn't listed in the file .. I think it's /dev/sda1/
[03:25] <intelikey> shinigami you are looking for errors    also look for a logfile in /var/log/   kdm or xsession or xorg  in the name.  look for errors.
[03:26] <indra> ok, open the /etc/fstab in terminal by 'sudo vi /etc/fstab'
[03:26] <indra> and you will open it as root
[03:26] <DaSkreech> !flac
[03:26] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:27] <intelikey> indra vi ?    nano is the default editor in *buntu      more M$ pro freindly
[03:27] <bubear> ok, done, it's not listed though
[03:27] <indra> press "i" to edit
[03:27] <bubear> i have it open in kate, though, too
[03:28] <bubear> k
[03:28] <indra> add your partition name and its mount point
[03:28] <DaSkreech> !nano
[03:28] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[03:29] <indra> sorry intelikey, idon't know about 'nano'
[03:29] <intelikey> shinigami find anything ?
[03:29] <shinigami> error opening security policy file /usr/lib/xserver/SecurityPolicy ??
[03:30] <intelikey> indra that's fine, as long as you are willing to hold their hand   but vi is frightening to the new user.
[03:30] <bubear> k, i added those -- do i need to add anything else
[03:30] <bubear> lol, intelikey, amen (scares the shit out of me, anyway...)
[03:30] <shinigami> there's one more.. (EE) xf860OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/wacom No such file or directory
[03:30] <indra> oo..iam the newbie in linux too...sorry
[03:31] <intelikey> shinigami ok the wacom errors are normal.
[03:31] <indra> if you have done..then press "esc"
[03:31] <intelikey> shinigami try this command      startx
[03:31] <indra> then type ":wq" and press enter
[03:31] <shinigami> oh.. now i'm in
[03:31] <shinigami> hmmm
[03:31] <bubear> oh, i did it in kate
[03:31] <intelikey> shinigami if that doesn't put you in a gui then it should give   EE   error messages.
[03:32] <indra> may i know what you type in mount point, bubear?
[03:32] <shinigami> i can log in my kde now....
[03:32] <intelikey> shinigami ok but that didn't "fix" it.
[03:32] <bubear> i do it graphically... i open up media:/  and just doubleclick on the icon
[03:33] <indra> it's ok if you can do it from there...as I know kubuntu lock the root..
[03:33] <intelikey> shinigami you need to find out why kdm is not running at boot time.     you can do   /etc/init.d/kdm restart      and watch for errors.   if none.   then it's an  "upstart"  error.
[03:34] <intelikey> i would kill x first  and run that in a console
[03:34] <bubear> it tells me i can't save the changes to the file, because i can't write to the file
[03:34] <indra> that's true...so you must do it again by using the console
[03:35] <bubear> ok
[03:35] <intelikey> kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[03:35] <intelikey> bubear ^
[03:35] <intelikey> alt+f2  and type that
[03:36] <bubear> alt f2 doesn't do anything
[03:36] <indra> ..press "i"
[03:36] <bubear> k, did that
[03:36] <Ch1ppy> hello, I have a lexmark printer that I am trying to set up.  I have downloded their linux drivers, but I cannot figure out how to select them when I add a printer in the Control Center.  Can anyone help me out?
[03:37] <bubear> k, typed in /dev/sda1  /media/
[03:37] <indra> don't forget the type of the partition itself, bubear
[03:37] <intelikey> or use auto
[03:37] <bubear> what's that mean?
[03:38] <intelikey> it's not partition type, it's fs type; but i'm being nit picky
[03:38] <indra> the mount point maybe /media/sda1
[03:38] <bubear> ok
[03:38] <bubear> so.... /dev/sda1 /media/sda1
[03:38] <bubear> ?
[03:38] <intelikey>  /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 auto defaults 0 0
[03:39] <indra> type of your partition? maybe vfat or ntfs?
[03:39] <bubear> i typed in /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 auto defaults 0 0
[03:39] <intelikey> true.   and would want fs specific options added.
[03:39] <bubear> is that what I need, or is there more i need to add here
[03:39] <bubear> ?
[03:40] <indra> ok..save it.."esc" and type ":wq"
[03:40] <intelikey> bubear as indra asked   what fs ?
[03:40] <bubear> ok, saved it
[03:41] <indra> check in /media..is sda1 in there?
[03:41] <bubear> it's still there
[03:41] <bubear> but i get the same error message
[03:41] <indra> ok..try "sudo mount -a"
[03:41] <bubear> typed that in, but it didn't seem to do anything
[03:42] <indra> now try to access your device
[03:42] <bubear> here's the error message I get: "A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal")"
[03:43] <indra> what's that? anyone know? intelikey?
[03:44] <bubear> i searched online, and found that other people have gotten this message trying to open cd roms, other usb devices, etc.
[03:44] <I_Died_Once> how do i know what module my network card is using? and how do i change it?
[03:44] <indra> bubear, do you know what type of you partition in your device?
[03:45] <bubear> no, how do i find out (the device is a 1 Gig flash drive, MobileMate
[03:45] <Menthol> ...IDO?
[03:45] <I_Died_Once> yeah
[03:46] <Menthol> Yo.
[03:46] <I_Died_Once> digi?
[03:46] <Menthol> Yar.
[03:46] <indra> ok, generally it is fat32...so try to fix your fstab maybe can fix it
[03:46] <bubear> k
[03:46] <I_Died_Once> Menthol here is having a problem with her onboard network card
[03:46] <indra> sudo vi /etc/fstab again
[03:46] <intelikey> indra oh sorry.
[03:46] <I_Died_Once> the driver ubuntu is using is retardedly slow, how can she pecify which module for it to use?
[03:46] <intelikey> ah yes
[03:47] <indra> intelikey, do u understand the errror message that bubear type?
[03:47] <intelikey> hald error   fixing fstab is not the prefered solution there.   and the device is probably sd?
[03:48] <indra> maybe 'auto' must be replaced by 'vfat'
[03:48] <bubear> i'll try that
[03:48] <indra> it is the flash drive
[03:48] <Xerroz> is there a repository of packages with debugging symbols?
[03:48] <intelikey> indra have bubear do a  fdisk -l /dev/sd?   and pastebin the output
[03:48] <bubear> k
[03:49] <bubear> no output
[03:49] <indra> sorry, i don't know it,intelikey..lets help bubear...
[03:49] <indra> what do you mean 'no output', bubear?
[03:49] <bubear> oops, kidding, here it is...
[03:49] <intelikey> search on kubuntu.com bug reports for that error.
[03:49] <ryanakca> is ndiswrapper-utils-1.8 installed by default on edgy?
[03:49] <bubear> damn, how do you copy that?
[03:50] <bubear> sorry, ultimate noob...
[03:50] <bubear> Disk /dev/sda: 1024 MB, 1024966656 bytes
[03:50] <bubear> 32 heads, 63 sectors/track, 993 cylinders
[03:50] <bubear> Units = cylinders of 2016 * 512 = 1032192 bytes
[03:50] <bubear>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[03:50] <bubear> /dev/sda1               1         992      999813+   6  FAT16
[03:50] <DaSkreech> !paste
[03:50] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:50] <bubear> oh, my bad
[03:50] <indra> ok..esc again and :wq
[03:51] <indra> problem again, bubear?
[03:51] <bubear> was I supposed to add something to the file there?
[03:51] <Ch1ppy> hey, I am trying to set up a Lexmark printer, can anyone help me out?
[03:51] <indra> so, you can access your device now?
[03:52] <intelikey> bubear ok the device node is  /dev/sda1   so that part is correct.   but you will want to replace "defaults"  with  "fmask=111,dmask=000"   in the fstab.
[03:52] <bubear> k, hold on
[03:52] <intelikey> !printer | chippy
[03:52] <ubotu> chippy: Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[03:53] <intelikey> bubear also    do mount | grep sda      and give me the output if any.
[03:53] <indra> intelikey, can you explain fmask=111 and dmask=000? i am newbie
[03:53] <Ch1ppy> ubotu: well I knew that, but I was trying to set it up from KDE's Control Center and having a spot of trouble
[03:53] <Ch1ppy> erm, that was at intelikey
[03:54] <bubear> i may have messed up... it's telling me the file is open somewhere else
[03:54] <drbeams> !hidden
[03:54] <ubotu> Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[03:55] <HymnToLife> now that's some great feature
[03:55] <HymnToLife> when will Kubuntu use GNOME ? :p
[03:55] <intelikey> indra vfat and ntfs don't have a permissions bit so mount sets a generic one for the entire mount point   fmask is file mask and dmask is directory mask   the mask is the octal permission minus the mask   so fmask=111 means set file permissions to 666  and the dmask=000 means set dir perms to 777   that's full read/write access to all.
[03:55] <flaccid> wtf
[03:56] <bubear> intelikey -- "syntax error near unexpected token 'do'"
[03:56] <indra> o..
[03:56] <regeya> HymnToLife: kubuntu...gnome...you mean 'ubuntu'?
[03:56] <intelikey> Ch1ppy sorry.  that's the best i can do.  maybe if Jucato is around.
[03:56] <Ch1ppy> intelikey: okay, thanks
[03:57] <DaSkreech> HymnToLife: I thought it did already
[03:57] <HymnToLife> regeya, was a joke, never mind that
[03:57] <intelikey> bubear do ?    where ?
[03:57] <regeya> !joking
[03:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about joking - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:57] <indra> bubear, is your device's mount point correct?
[03:57] <HymnToLife> !kidding
[03:57] <ubotu> You may think your joke is funny, but you may confuse new users or irritate people who actually start answering your question :)
[03:57] <HymnToLife> rather
[03:57] <regeya> meh
[03:57] <bubear> i think so
[03:57] <regeya> HymnToLife: there are waaay too many anti-KDE 'ooh kde is too ugly' who pop into kde-related channels for that to be funny ;-)
[03:57] <indra> and did you check it by konqueror?
[03:58] <intelikey> bubear oh.... :)    do was not part of the command.  sorry.       mount | grep sda
[03:58] <bubear> ok, i did that and got no output
[03:58] <HymnToLife> regeya, I use KDE since 1999 so I guess I don't find it ugly
[03:58] <HymnToLife> it was rather a GNOME bashing but never mind
[03:58] <Phlosten> i disliked KDE until about 2 weeks ago, not I have three Kubuntu machines
[03:58] <intelikey> bubear ok.   did you edit the fstab and make the changes i mentioned ?
[03:59] <Phlosten> not=now
[03:59] <DaSkreech> Phlosten: Welcome :)
[03:59] <Phlosten> DaSkreech: thank ye
[03:59] <bubear> yeah, i got a message saying the file might already be open. when I pushed enter it opened the original version of the file
[03:59] <Phlosten> I just Kubuntu'd a teacher friends laptop, he is wrapped
[04:00] <drbeams> i compiled bluefish into /usr/local/bluefish
[04:00] <regeya> heh, pre-1.0 kde user here :-)
[04:00] <drbeams> however, i cannot get the menu option configured correctly
[04:00] <bubear> i didn't check the mointpoint with konqueror... don't know what I'm looking for
[04:00] <intelikey> bubear hmmm  fuser /etc/fstab
[04:00] <HymnToLife> regeya, when was that
[04:00] <regeya> here's some good gnome bashing:  "I use GNOME because it's preeeeety"
[04:00] <drbeams> regeya: so, u r like 50 now right ?
[04:01] <HymnToLife> I wasn't even 10 so no *nix for me back then I guess :p
[04:01] <regeya> lessee...the 0.x days started, when, '97?
[04:01] <indra> checking for the directory named sda1, bubear...
[04:01] <Phlosten> i think Gnomes development direction has gone a bit astray
[04:01] <bubear> but under the options for the device that's what it says the mountpoint should be
[04:01] <bubear> file or folder does not exist
[04:02] <bubear> when i check in konqueror
[04:02] <indra> sudo mkdir /media/sda1
[04:02] <regeya> Phlosten: indeed.  there's some good ideas there, but 'options == confusing' is a bad precedent to set, imho...
[04:02] <regeya> I guess I didn't give kde a shot until '98.
[04:02] <Phlosten> regeya: my main issue is consistancy of look. lots of issues with conistant theming
[04:02] <regeya> I remember viewing the MS Win98 press release in KFM and chuckling to myself.
[04:03] <regeya> 'coz let's face it KDE met many of the Win98 goals.
[04:03] <bubear> ok, did that indra
[04:03] <regeya> even when Win98 fell short of the goals.
[04:03] <intelikey> bubear does      fuser /etc/fstab    give output ?
[04:03] <regeya> but I'm offtopic now, so I'm done. :-)
[04:03] <indra> intelikey..i think i can learn a lot about kubuntu from you..hehe...may i know your email?
[04:03] <bubear> no output
[04:04] <indra> try again..hehe.... sudo mount -a
[04:04] <indra> mount all device in fstab
[04:04] <intelikey> probably not indra spam is something i avoid.  nothing personal.
[04:05] <bubear> my fstab file reverted to the original version... should I change it back (I'm afriad I'm messing something up...)
[04:05] <regeya> Phlosten: eh, I use QtCurve; my main annoyance now is not having standardized dialogs across desktop platforms
[04:05] <indra> ok..i understand it, intelikey
[04:05] <bubear> same error message after sudo mount -a
[04:05] <indra> what error message?
[04:06] <intelikey> bubear and you can do     cat /etc/fstab     and use pastebin.ca   to post the output and i'll have a look at it and post you a fixed version.
[04:06] <intelikey> if you want.
[04:06] <Phlosten> regeya: QtCurve is a theme yeah?
[04:06] <intelikey> indra lets get fstab streight first shall we.
[04:07] <indra> up2u
[04:07] <xenophile7x7_> has anyone used any of the opensource virtual machine software, like qemu or bochs? and are they available from the repos?
[04:07] <Phlosten> xenophile7x7_: qemu should be in the repos, i think bochs is too
[04:07] <indra> intelikey, did you ever install the pebble linux?
[04:08] <intelikey> pebble   no.
[04:08] <indra> a distro of embedded linux
[04:08] <Phlosten> xenophile7x7_: there is also the new Virtual Box, not in repos and I havent managed to get it to work :)
[04:08] <xenophile7x7_> lol, ill avoid that one for now then, phlosten
[04:08] <indra> maybe you know , ihave a problem with it
[04:08] <xenophile7x7_> have you tried qemu or bochs?
[04:09] <indra> it use the lilo
[04:09] <indra> not grub
[04:09] <Phlosten> xenophile7x7_: i tried qemu a while back, but found it too fiddly
[04:09] <indra> i have installed it succesfully
[04:09] <indra> when booting...
[04:09] <xenophile7x7_> ok. im trying to find an alternative to vmware
[04:09] <Phlosten> xenophile7x7_: i run VMWare pretty solidly now
[04:09] <intelikey> i've installed slack5.0 rh8 rh9 mdk9 mdk10 ub5.4 ub6.6   but dialup prevents just installing at random.
[04:09] <indra> lilo 22.2...................
[04:09] <xenophile7x7_> id ont have $200 to blow
[04:09] <flaccid> anybody know how to configure krusader so middle mouse button click edits the clicked file??
[04:10] <indra> uncompressing linux..... ok,now booting the kernel.
[04:10] <Phlosten> xenophile7x7_: VMWare Server is free
[04:10] <indra> after that...its jus freeze
[04:10] <indra> after that...its just freeze
[04:10] <xenophile7x7_> thought it was a 30day thing?
[04:10] <indra> forever
[04:10] <Phlosten> xenophile7x7_: nope, totally free
[04:11] <Phlosten> xenophile7x7_: they even open sourced some of it
[04:11] <indra> in internet forum...it is because of hardware compatibility issue
[04:11] <xenophile7x7_> hmm..misread yesterday then, ill have to pull i tback up
[04:11] <indra> is it true?
[04:11] <bubear> ok, it's in the pastebin
[04:11] <Phlosten> xenophile7x7_: http://www.vmware.com/products/free_virtualization.html
[04:11] <intelikey> indra boot it with  verbos vga=normal    and see what messages it has before it hangs.
[04:12] <intelikey> bubear ok what's the url to your post ?
[04:12] <bubear> pastebin.ca
[04:12] <bubear> is the forum i pasted to
[04:12] <intelikey> bubear it should show you the url so you can show us
[04:12] <Hail_Spacecake> I have a laptop with both a wlan card and a regular ethernet card
[04:12] <Hail_Spacecake> built in
[04:12] <xenophile7x7_> awesome, thanks
[04:12] <Hail_Spacecake> network settings config sees eth0 and eth1
[04:12] <indra> intelikey---I must do it in console i think...
[04:12] <intelikey> something like http://www.pastebin.ca/24827
[04:12] <Hail_Spacecake> so how do I tell which one corresponds to which device?
[04:12] <bubear> hmmm... i joined the channel named pastebin.ca
[04:13] <bubear> and pasted there
[04:13] <drbeams> Jucato: r u around ?
[04:14] <indra> intelikey, maybe you can help bubear more than me...
[04:14] <DaSkreech> drbeams: Seems not :)
[04:14] <indra> intelike--do u think..it is because of my vga card?
[04:14] <drbeams> i would like to add programs from /usr/local/someprogram to the kde menu, but they do not appear to be working
[04:15] <justin__> anyone here ever mess around with kxdocker?
[04:15] <foxbunny> anyone tried to install compiz on KDE?
[04:15] <DaSkreech> !compiz
[04:15] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[04:15] <foxbunny> with KDE...
[04:15] <foxbunny> didn't work, the wiki...
[04:16] <foxbunny> "Composite" "Enable" is a no-go for 3D accel, and the option is needed by XGL...
[04:16] <jperrine088> i had it installed used alien to convert the .rpms to .deb but i get a giant black box at the bottom of my screen
[04:17] <foxbunny> jperrine088: you are talking about compiz? ok kxdocker?
[04:17] <indra> intelikey-i have installed it in a DOM...and it must standalone...how to do verbos vga=normal if i must to place it in primary IDE first?
[04:17] <jperrine088> kxdocker
[04:17] <drbeams> !beryl
[04:17] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[04:18] <indra> intelikey..are u okay?
[04:19] <intelikey> not right now.  back soon.
[04:19] <jperrine088> i never had a problem setting it up i compiled it from source using Suse but after swithcing over to kubuntu i can see the dock, but its surrounded by black
[04:21] <intelikey> ok indra   what was it ?
[04:22] <intelikey> lilo prompt  add the string to the kernel you are about to load.  ?
[04:24] <jperrine088> ok i guess no one has any ideas
[04:24] <jperrine088> !kxdocker
[04:24] <ubotu> kxdocker: innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.4a-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 327 kB, installed size 1064 kB
[04:27] <malik_> how do i make Kate to stay away from opening file automatically when i click on .bin or .wma files?
[04:27] <DaSkreech> Mez: Yo
[04:29] <indra> i don't know intelikey...as i said before..i am the newbie
[04:29] <indra> maybe you can help
[04:30] <elyon> Hey... I've looked all over the place - how do I set Kopete to always put new message windows into tabs within just one window?
[04:30] <DaSkreech> elyon: Sorry?
[04:31] <larson9999> god made them win.
[04:31] <rance> crimsun: Ive got my system setup with the speakers plugged into the Line In jack, and I dont have sound, anything else I should try?
[04:31] <elyon> DaSkreech: Kopete (the KDE messaging client).  Right now I need to manually move all windows into tabs... I'd like all conversations to be in one window by default instead of separate.
[04:31] <malik_> how do i make Kate to stay away from opening file automatically when i click on .bin or .wma files?
[04:31] <indra> intelikey?
[04:31] <malik_> !kate
[04:31] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[04:32] <DaSkreech> elyon: Settings -> Kopete Settings -> Behaviour -> Chat -> Chat window Grouping Policy
[04:33] <intelikey> indra i'm sorry i was quite busy    had about five things going on at one time.   can you catch me up right quick ?
[04:33] <DaSkreech> malik_: Check in the File types in Konqueror
[04:33] <larson9999> ubotu forgot the hybrid editor xe.  that's the best :)
[04:33] <indra> maybe..
[04:33] <regeya> what DaSkreech said malik_
[04:33] <DaSkreech> rance: Plug it into line out maybe?
[04:34] <rance> DaSkreech: crimsun and I were talking earlier and I was told that there is a bug in the driver for my sound card and that 'Line In' was actually the right choice.
[04:34] <regeya> that reminds me...need to update my file associations
[04:34] <DaSkreech> rance: In that case I'm ignorant :)
[04:35] <indra> intelikey--may i cantact you for questions about linux privately?
[04:35] <adamwest> hey guys, i need help
[04:35] <intelikey> pm   ok.
[04:35] <indra> by what?
[04:35] <rance> DaSkreech: admitting it is half the battle :)
[04:35] <adamwest> :)
[04:35] <intelikey> /msg intelikey blah
[04:35] <adamwest> i dled ubuntu 6.10
[04:35] <adamwest> then went to kde
[04:36] <adamwest> which wasted all of my 5 gigs i had for ubuntu
[04:36] <cac_> hi folks
[04:36] <adamwest> cut to the chase, i have this NTFS drive i unmounted and i want to format it and add it to the ext3 of linux
[04:36] <Mez> DaSkreech, sup ?
[04:37] <cac_> What is faster and more stable? ubuntu or kubuntu?
[04:37] <DaSkreech> adamwest: Anything on it you need?
[04:37] <DaSkreech> cac_: No difference
[04:37] <DaSkreech> though I hear KDE uses less memory
[04:37] <flaccid> probably ubuntu
[04:37] <adamwest> kubuntu is probably slower because of the appearance and stuff, no?
[04:38] <flaccid> maybe
[04:38] <adamwest> DaSkreech: no, i backed up all the stuff i need
[04:38] <cac_> have you tried linuxmint?
[04:38] <flaccid> maybe not
[04:38] <indra> intelikey, my konqueror cannot access any website...it always time 'timeout on server'
[04:38] <DaSkreech> adamwest: Qtparted
[04:38] <cac_> it is really faster
[04:38] <intelikey> adamwest cfdisk change the partition type then do  mke2fs -cj /dev/<node>   and add the apropreate line in the /etc/fstab
[04:38] <cac_> and stable
[04:38] <larson9999> i don't notice much of a difference.  however, there is a difference with xubuntu
[04:38] <adamwest> DaSkreech: what's that app
[04:38] <cac_> which
[04:38] <intelikey> indra eeek networking.   sorry i'm network illeterate.
[04:38] <DaSkreech> A partition manager
[04:39] <adamwest> oh neat :) so i just sudo apt-get install Qtparted?
[04:39] <intelikey> adamwest there is a gui tool for all of that  but i'm not a gui guy.
[04:39] <DaSkreech> Yeah if it's not there already
[04:39] <indra> cool.."i'm not a gui guy"
[04:39] <adamwest> thanks, intelikey - :D
[04:39] <indra> hehe ^^
[04:39] <adamwest> but i'm a newbe
[04:40] <intelikey> DaSkreech wouldn't "gparted" be the choice   i heard that qtparted was buggy ?
[04:40] <DaSkreech> Yeah. Not that buggy
[04:40] <adamwest> umm will it work in kde?
[04:40] <intelikey> ok you the gui guy
[04:40] <adamwest> btw it can't find Qtparted
[04:40] <intelikey> adamwest yes
[04:40] <cac_> newbies go to linuxfornewbies channel....
[04:40] <elyon> Hey... I've looked all over the place - how do I set Kopete to always put new message windows into tabs within just one window?
[04:41] <intelikey> !qtpatred
[04:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qtpatred - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:41] <DaSkreech> adamwest: Might be installed apready
[04:41] <intelikey> !qtparted
[04:41] <ubotu> qtparted: A parted frontend using QT. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.5-2ubuntu11 (edgy), package size 202 kB, installed size 716 kB
[04:41] <intelikey> !gparted
[04:41] <ubotu> gparted is gparted is a GUI partitioning program, "sudo apt-get install gparted", also available as a live cd http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[04:41] <DaSkreech> press Alt+Space then type qt
[04:41] <elyon> DaSkreech: All that does (that you told me) is group the taskbar buttons together.  I want all my conversations to be accessible through tabs in ONE windows.
[04:41] <DaSkreech> Press enter
[04:41] <adamwest> oh ok :D
[04:41] <vursitis> i would stick with gparted, its a little bit more established and secure
[04:41] <Hail_Spacecake> what's the command for finding out what version of linux you have?
[04:41] <DaSkreech> elyon: Umm Ok tell me what you did
[04:41] <cac_> uname -a
[04:42] <DaSkreech> Hail_Spacecake: cat /etc/issue
[04:42] <adamwest> ok gparted it found.
[04:42] <cac_> that is the command to know the linux version
[04:42] <elyon> DaSkreech: Checked the box for "Group consecutive windows"
[04:42] <intelikey> Hail_Spacecake uname -a
[04:42] <DaSkreech> elyon: under Kopete?
[04:42] <larson9999> gparted is better.
[04:42] <elyon> DaSkreech: Doh... I think I found it... I went to the wrong place.  You were right.
[04:42] <intelikey> Hail_Spacecake also lsb_release -a   if installed.
[04:42] <larson9999> seems folks are dropping qtparted like bad habbits
[04:42] <adamwest> oh bw
[04:42] <DaSkreech> elyon: Well Of course :)
[04:42] <adamwest> *btw
[04:42] <cac_> newbies go to linuxfornewbies channel...pls
[04:43] <larson9999> oh, wait. people keep bad habits
[04:43] <DaSkreech> glad to hear you are ok
[04:43] <elyon> DaSkreech: lol Thank you.
[04:43] <vursitis> i have had a few problems with qtparted, such as after formatting partitions, the computer not recognizing them as.. well there
[04:43] <intelikey> larson9999 some
[04:43] <Hail_Spacecake> danke
[04:43] <intelikey> de nada
[04:43] <adamwest> i worked with gnome and then went to kde because it didnt have so many applications... but now i see kde is kinda sucky. thought about xfce. what do you think?
[04:44] <vursitis> i liked xfce
[04:44] <adamwest> lik-ed ?
[04:44] <intelikey> adamwest i think your first assumption was in error.
[04:44] <cac_> if you wan to have more applications synaptic has at least 10000
[04:44] <vursitis> currently, im using KDE, but xfce was great, it also isnt a ram hog
[04:44] <adamwest> what intelikey, that it didnt have apps?
[04:44] <intelikey> yes
[04:45] <adamwest> i see that now ^_^
[04:45] <vursitis> lemmie rephraze that <adamwest> i still like xfce, but i now have a computer that can handle KDE
[04:45] <intelikey> adamwest do     apt-cache search kde | wc -l      some time.
[04:45] <adamwest> u see, i thought kde has more stuff because everywhere i go i see apps with K bolded out... and the partitioning thing bla bla bla
[04:46] <adamwest> no, my computer can handle stuff, vursitis, i want a fast and a GOOD environment....
[04:46] <larson9999> nothing that says you can't use gnome apps in kde and vice versa.
[04:46] <Hail_Spacecake> I have a laptop with both a wlan card and a regular ethernet card
[04:46] <Hail_Spacecake> network settings config sees eth0 and eth1
[04:46] <Hail_Spacecake> so how do I tell which one corresponds to which device?
[04:46] <vursitis> ah, not that fond of KDE then?
[04:46] <intelikey> adamwest fluxbox
[04:47] <HymnToLife> Hail_Spacecake, sudo iwconfig
[04:47] <adamwest> heared of that. is it good?
[04:47] <vursitis> fluxbox was... intresting to say the least
[04:47] <adamwest> lol why
[04:47] <Hail_Spacecake> danke
[04:47] <intelikey> depends what you like.      dsl uses it.  give that a look some time.
[04:47] <intelikey> dsl=damn small linux
[04:47] <cac_> you can use kde applications in Gnome and Viceversa
[04:48] <vursitis> iunno, their entire setup was... well, very diffrent, (i couldnt get used to it) not that it was bad, but just not for me
[04:48] <intelikey> cac_ yeppers
[04:48] <vursitis> you have to righclick to access any kind of menu in fluxbox
[04:48] <vursitis> there really is no GUI
[04:48] <DaSkreech> adamwest: What are you looking for?
[04:49] <intelikey> vursitis no you can have a menu button on a task bar if you like
[04:49] <vursitis> well i never got around to configuring it to be honest, i was running it from a live CD
[04:49] <intelikey> makes a lot of differance.
[04:50] <vursitis> yeah
[04:50] <vursitis> probally should have mentioned that
[04:50] <adamwest> well, DaSkreech, i used gnome until now and the only problem i had was this error with the keyboard stuff and other things, possibly less "user friendly" than kde. but kde is rather sucky now that i use it. especially konquerer. plus, it loads applications SO SLOWLY D: so now i want to know for sure what environment i should use... i have 512RAM and 1300mhz comp. xfce is supposed to be for slow computers, but i dont think my comp is that weak.
[04:50] <xenophile7x7_> Phlosten, are you still around?
[04:50] <intelikey> and don't get me wrong.  i'm not pushing flux.   i actually like bb and twm   but flux is based on bb so i thought i'd mention it.
[04:51] <vursitis> gnome almost has a... restrictive interface in my opinion
[04:51] <intelikey> bb=blackbox
[04:51] <Hail_Spacecake> yeah
[04:51] <Hail_Spacecake> I noticed the same thing, vurs
[04:51] <adamwest> me 2
[04:51] <Hail_Spacecake> I will say though, that Gnometris is superior to every KDE tetris game I've tried :)
[04:51] <adamwest> ^_^
[04:52] <vursitis> lol, well then, we have found the determining factor
[04:52] <intelikey> gnome can be configured to give much more than it does....   i just don't like it... don't even really know why.
[04:52] <vursitis> if it runst tetris better, it is better
[04:52] <cac_> have you tried l.f.s?
[04:52] <adamwest> lfs?
[04:52] <vursitis> never heard of it
[04:53] <intelikey> linux from scratch ?
[04:53] <cac_> yeah
[04:53] <vursitis> oh, that sounds intresting
[04:53] <intelikey> if you like playing with the system....
[04:53] <adamwest> wow
[04:53] <cac_> you can start designing your own linux enviroment from zero
[04:54] <vursitis> lfs... i might have to look into that, sounds like a fun project
[04:54] <Jucato> fun?
[04:54] <adamwest> umm a bit offtopic here, guys ---- but gparted won't let me resize my default ext3 (obviously) because it's being used. how can i resize it without using it? :\
[04:54] <vursitis> fun and tedious, they go hand in hand
[04:54] <intelikey> anyone here like gentoo ?
[04:54] <cac_> www.linuxfromscratch.org
[04:54] <intelikey> not the distro   the app.
[04:54] <intelikey> Jucato easy.
[04:55] <Jucato> hm... easyubuntu supporter... really....
[04:55] <mikey_la> how can i permantly add the cdrom0 icon to my desktop even though there is no media in the drive?
[04:55] <Jucato> intelikey: yep, easy :)
[04:56] <intelikey> adamwest you don't need to resize it mount the new space on /home   ...
[04:56] <intelikey> kills two birds with one rock
[04:56] <adamwest> intelikey it will marge automatically?
[04:57] <intelikey> adamwest no you will need to mount it first some place else and copy all your /home stuff over then umount it and mount it on /home          if that's what you are asking ?
[04:58] <intelikey>  marge automatically?    could be asking if it will add the free space to the running system.  yes it will
[04:58] <Hail_Spacecake> does kubuntu come with network-admin by default?
[04:58] <surgy> i remeber from back in the day a little crappy benchmark with glxgears, anyone remember the command to make it output the frames per second?
[04:58] <intelikey> it will also make it so you can reinstall without wiping out your home partition.
[04:59] <matthew0507> i need help, my kubuntu fail to load the graphical interface, after seeing the loading bars goes to full i get kicked back to dos again. i even tried to to reinstall kde by typing "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktopbut it still wont load for me, can anyone help?
[04:59] <adamwest> umm maybe i ought to explain to myself again ^_^ intelikey, i have a locked ext3 that linux is now using, an unallocated space and swap.. i want to add the unallocated to the ext3..
[04:59] <intelikey> a thing that *buntu users find very useful i might add.
[04:59] <intelikey> matthew0507 dos   hehhe
[05:00] <vursitis> i would recomend using a seperate partition for your home folder, that has gotten me out of a few jams
[05:00] <intelikey> matthew0507 you mean bash.  the console    a tty console bash prompt.
[05:00] <HymnToLife> bah is not the console, it's the shell...
[05:00] <vursitis> reinstall the OS without loosing any of your settings
[05:00] <HymnToLife> bash*
[05:00] <matthew0507> yeah it reads matthew-desktop tty1:
[05:00] <vursitis> or files
[05:00] <adamwest> oh great idea
[05:00] <intelikey> matthew0507 run startx and see if x is broken or if it's just kdm
[05:01] <adamwest> but can i change my home without reinstalling the os?
[05:01] <vursitis> just give it the /home mount point
[05:01] <surgy> matther0507: what operating system are you trying to run?
[05:01] <matthew0507> im trying to run kubuntu
[05:01] <intelikey> HymnToLife good point.  could be dash couldn't it.
[05:01] <vursitis> is it on a seperate partition?
[05:01] <surgy> then why do you have DOS on that partition?
[05:01] <intelikey> matthew0507 run startx and see if x is broken or if it's just kdm
[05:01] <HymnToLife> intelikey, could also be csh, zsh, esh...
[05:02] <intelikey> HymnToLife not as likely tho
[05:02] <adamwest> what, vursitis?
[05:02] <matthew0507> how do i run startx? just type "startx"? im a complete newbie
[05:02] <HymnToLife> matthew0507, yep
[05:02] <vursitis> woops, sorry, stated that wrong
[05:02] <intelikey> yes
[05:02] <vursitis> lemmie repraze that
[05:02] <matthew0507> surgy:  i meant the console, sorry i got confused with dos >,< its on a diff partition
[05:02] <surgy> matthew0507: yes type startx and then bring us the error codes someone can help
[05:03] <matthew0507> ok im going to reboot and come back soon.
[05:03] <vursitis> you can change your home directory... but that requires alot of resizing other tedious things that really aren't to stable
[05:03] <intelikey> matthew0507 it's ok,  i just like to poke fun at  DOS   sorry if that causes any trubble.
[05:03] <vursitis> i would recomend backing everything up first
[05:03] <vursitis> or creating an image of your comp first
[05:03] <adamwest> did that before i formatted :D
[05:04] <vursitis> oh perfect
[05:04] <intelikey> DOS = disk operating system    there have been at least 4 makers of  DOS   that i know of.
[05:04] <vursitis> do you have everything that you need to save?
[05:04] <intelikey> with several releases from each
[05:04] <adamwest> hu? i dont want to reinstall the os because i fixed ADSL modem stuff and language stuff... i dont wanna do that again any time soon ^_^
[05:04] <adamwest> all i want to do is add the unallocated space to the default ext3... D:
[05:05] <vursitis> like i said, that requires unstable resizing
[05:05] <adamwest> bah
[05:05] <adamwest> so what are my options
[05:05] <vursitis> i have never had good luck with resizing partitions, even if the unallocated space is at the end of the drive
[05:06] <vursitis> and all your doing is expanding the partition
[05:06] <intelikey> adamwest then all the more reason to add the new partition rather than resizing the old   you can copy the config files to your home and thus save the setup time if anything were to happen.
[05:06] <vursitis> how much space is unallocated?
[05:06] <Phlosten> xenophile7x7_: here now
[05:06] <adamwest> ... 32.38 gb
[05:06] <adamwest> :)
[05:06] <vursitis> ouch
[05:06] <intelikey> adamwest 32g looks like a good size for /home  :)
[05:06] <vursitis> yeah, i agree with intelikely, i would just add it as a new partition through gparted
[05:06] <adamwest> think of the pain in backing that up ^_^
[05:06] <CakeProphet> hrm...
[05:07] <vursitis> yep, it does
[05:07] <CakeProphet> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper/edgy mentions using apt-get to isntall a ndiswrapper-utils-1.8 package...
[05:07] <CakeProphet> but I don't.. have that. (according to bash)
[05:07] <vursitis> use it as your home folder, or even just extra storage space
[05:07] <intelikey> adamwest backing what up ?   the 32g ?    or all your configs ?
[05:07] <adamwest> the 32
[05:07] <intelikey> yeah.
[05:07] <intelikey> an external hd would make it easy.
[05:08] <adamwest> so i dont want to make mistakes here... i create a new partition in the unallocated space, and mount it to /home? won't that erase what's in home?
[05:08] <adamwest> the reason i wanted to marge it is because all the packages or enviroments are installed to the original ext3. i want to have more space for that kinda stuff
[05:08] <vursitis> no, but that might actually confuse the machine... 2 home directories
[05:09] <vursitis> you know what, i would do this, just give it like a hda2 directory
[05:09] <adamwest> i have no idea how ubuntu took 4gigs :|
[05:09] <intelikey> adamwest you make a new partition   format it   mount it in /media  copy /home/* to /media/   umount /media and mount it to /home  then edit fstab so that it mounts it there for you from now on
[05:09] <vursitis> it does allocate some space for the root user
[05:09] <intelikey> vursitis 10% ?
[05:09] <vursitis> yep
[05:09] <intelikey> 5% ?    which is default ?
[05:09] <vursitis> 5-10%
[05:10] <vursitis> yes, 5 is usualy default
[05:10] <intelikey> i always set it to 0%
[05:10] <adamwest> intelikey, i want ubuntu to use that extra space for the packages and stuff as well .. not only home  :\
[05:10] <vursitis> on the new media, yeah set it to 0
[05:11] <cac_> How can you enter other computer with k-ubuntu?
[05:11] <cac_> Has anyone tried to connect with another computer?
[05:11] <vursitis> you using ssh?
[05:11] <vursitis> cac
[05:12] <intelikey> adamwest make a partition the size you want to allocate for new software +3g   and mount it /usr  the rest on /home   ?    but there are a thousand ways to do things like that.     if you are intent on streaching the root partition use the gparted cd
[05:12] <intelikey> !gparted
[05:12] <ubotu> gparted is gparted is a GUI partitioning program, "sudo apt-get install gparted", also available as a live cd http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[05:12] <intelikey> there   ^
[05:13] <adamwest> thanks, i know what that is :D umm with the livecd i could resize the linux ext3 without damaging the data?
[05:13] <intelikey> and i make no claim that it will not hose the system.
[05:13] <adamwest> oh
[05:14] <intelikey> should i repete that ?     you have my word that if it destroies all data on the computer it has nothing to do with me....
[05:14] <matthew0507> hi, im back. my kubuntu graphical interface stopped loading so i ran startx and heres what i got from the console terminal: fatal server error: no screens found. xio: fatal IO error 104
[05:14] <adamwest> lol ok
[05:14] <adamwest> man this sucks
[05:14] <adamwest> btw is 500mb for swap is enough? [again offtopic] 
[05:15] <adamwest> *ignore the second "is"
[05:15] <intelikey> matthew0507 ok you'll need to reconfigure xorg.     sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:15] <intelikey> adamwest i don't use swap.
[05:15] <adamwest> hu. thought it's a must
[05:15] <vursitis> eh, i really would avoid resizing
[05:15] <intelikey> you thought it.  but that didn't make it true.
[05:16] <intelikey> adamwest how much ram do you have ?
[05:16] <adamwest> 512
[05:16] <matthew0507> ty intelikey, will give it a try.
[05:16] <intelikey> then yes 520m swap should be plenty
[05:16] <adamwest> neat
[05:16] <intelikey> matthew0507
[05:16] <vursitis> eh, adamwest i would honestly avoid resizing, thats an easy way to destroy all data on your HD
[05:17] <vursitis> its just not well supported...
[05:17] <intelikey> matthew0507  if it doesn't work    you didn't answer something correctly.   do it again until you get it right.
[05:17] <vursitis> or stable
[05:17] <adamwest> vursitis so my only option is to reinstall everything ? D:
[05:17] <vursitis> well i wouldn't reinstall everything
[05:17] <matthew0507> sure, i'll be back. ty again :)
[05:17] <inteliwasp> could someone point me to a tutorial on how to get teamspeak to work?
[05:17] <vursitis> like i said, just add it as another partition
[05:17] <vursitis> and for swap i would use about a gig
[05:17] <intelikey> adamwest you could migrate the install to a new partition....
[05:17] <adamwest> how
[05:18] <intelikey> make and format the partition then copy everything over and edit fstab to reflect the new root device  and reinstall grub
[05:19] <adamwest> .. and in newbe-ish?
[05:19] <vursitis> migrates are just about as bad as resizing, they just arent that stable, and there is no garauntee that everything will remain intact
[05:19] <adamwest> :)
[05:19] <justin_> is anyone here using one of intels laptop chipsets?
[05:19] <intelikey> imo that would be the easiest.   you would have the old install to fall back on until you were sure you got everything correct
[05:19] <vursitis> there is about a 50% chance of resizes and migrations being sucessfull, and everything still remaining bootable
[05:20] <intelikey> adamwest you can make a partition on the empty space     right ?
[05:20] <adamwest> yeah
[05:21] <vursitis> do it, just allocate it as a new media device and just use it as extra storage space, that honestly will be your safest bet on not having to reinstall everything
[05:21] <intelikey> the format command would look something like     sudo mke2fs -cj /dev/hda1        notice that hda1 is an example   be sure you know the correct address.
[05:21] <adamwest> but vursitis, i told u guys -- i need the extra space for the environment packages and stuff.. not docs and such
[05:21] <adamwest> and intelikey i have gparted installed
[05:21] <intelikey> vursitis that doesn't fit the demands.
[05:22] <vursitis> oh, i dont think i got that part
[05:22] <vursitis> im sorry
[05:22] <adamwest> np :)
[05:22] <vursitis> ok well that changes things
[05:22] <adamwest> lol
[05:22] <vursitis> is the unallocated space at the begaining or end of your HD
[05:23] <adamwest> end i think
[05:23] <adamwest> sec
[05:23] <adamwest> yup. end.
[05:23] <intelikey> doesn't matter where.
[05:23] <vursitis> alright... well, then, i guess your best and safest option would be to resize
[05:23] <intelikey> just be sure you know the address.        hda6  for example.
[05:23] <vursitis> do you have gparted?
[05:24] <adamwest> lol all you guys said resizing won't be safe
[05:24] <adamwest> and i have gparted vursitis
[05:24] <intelikey> it's not.
[05:24] <intelikey> not on a running system.
[05:24] <vursitis> well no, its not safe, but if you need it for config files, resizing is safer than migrating
[05:24] <intelikey> vursitis what about migrating to the new partition.... simple fast safe.
[05:25] <adamwest> if i run this gparted livecd, itll allow me to resize the partition?
[05:25] <vursitis> only problem with that, is, i have done a few migrations, and for some reason, none of the migrated partitions have ever kept their bootable status
[05:26] <vursitis> if it was just docs, it would be safer, but when your dealing with bootable partitions, it seems to have a hard time retaining that status
[05:26] <intelikey> vursitis i'v never had any problem with that.
[05:26] <vursitis> hm, well i must have been doing somthing wrong then, i mean you can give it a try
[05:26] <mcrandello> boot managers on the mbr and not updating it's config could do that
[05:27] <vursitis> but but i dont want to be blamed for any loss of data
[05:27] <dwidmann> :) and my internet works again!
[05:27] <mcrandello> keep the numbers written down and in theory you can re-resize the partition perhaps
[05:27] <adamwest> SO WHAT SHOULD I DO D:
[05:27] <vursitis> my opinion, resize
[05:28] <mcrandello> full backup followed by flatten and reimage on the new partition (sorry, I just got here)
[05:28] <intelikey> i've already stated mine.     so take your pick.
[05:28] <mcrandello> either way I'd be backing up anything important whatever you decide
[05:28] <vursitis> now its just whichever you would feel more comfortable/capable of doing
[05:29] <vursitis> i agree
[05:29] <vursitis> i think he said he has already backed everything up
[05:29] <adamwest> yeah, i dont have anything important... it's just pain in the ass to get all the internet adsl settings and language stuff back :(
[05:29] <intelikey> actually he said there were configs he didn't want to have to redo
[05:29] <vursitis> yeah, i know what you mean
[05:29] <mcrandello> even then I'd email a copy of anything good in /etc like your fstab and xorg.conf to a remote email account like gmail
[05:30] <surgy> hey guys how do i make konquerer start on my home page?
[05:30] <dwidmann> konueror -> settings -> konfigure konqueror
[05:30] <Jucato> er.. I wouldn't suggest that
[05:30] <vursitis> you know what, ill cave and say migrate, because if intelikey seems to know more about migrations than i do
[05:31] <intelikey> tar -cjf backup-configs.tbz /etc      and save the tarball.
[05:31] <mcrandello> surgy: the first item, "behavior"
[05:31] <Jucato> surgy: konqueror as web browser? and home web page?
[05:31] <Jucato> mcrandello, dwidmann: that would be a bit problematic
[05:31] <adamwest> what's the migrate about then
[05:31] <Jucato> as it affects the ~ directory of file browsing
[05:32] <mcrandello> Jucato: now that you mention it
[05:32] <mcrandello> surgy:ignore me I only started using konq for the web last week
[05:32] <surgy> me too :)
[05:32] <intelikey> adamwest just making a copy of the full system on the new partition   then setting up grub to boot it.
[05:32] <dwidmann> well, you could use a link or something to start konqueror when you want to start it as web, or something
[05:32] <Jucato> surgy: if you want a particular web page to be the page that Konqueror (web browsing profile) loads on start up: go to that web page, make sure it's the only web page currently viewed (no other tabs)
[05:33] <surgy> jucato: and then?
[05:33] <Jucato> surgy: then go to Settings -> Save View Profile ->  save URL's in profile
[05:33] <Jucato> make sure it's the Kubuntu Web Browser profile you are saving
[05:33] <surgy> jucato i just want google to be what is loaded when starting konq
[05:34] <mcrandello> oh look at that, so you could even have it open up to like 5 different pages in tabs?
[05:34] <Kano> hi did someone experience problems switching to dirs with feisty and 2.6.20?
[05:34] <Jucato> mcrandello: yes
[05:34] <Jucato> mcrandello: that's also a procedure I use when I want to save tabs
[05:34] <Kano> i have dirs i can not change into
[05:34] <Jucato> Kano: might want to ask in #ubuntu+1
[05:35] <intelikey> Kano /root i would hope is one.
[05:36] <vursitis> ok well, i must go, goodbye everyone
[05:36] <adamwest> goodnight vursitis
[05:36] <adamwest> tnx
[05:36] <vursitis> no problem
[05:36] <vursitis> hope it works
[05:36] <Kano> intelikey: i am root
[05:36] <Kano> after sudo -i
[05:36] <intelikey> Kano any error ?
[05:37] <intelikey> Kano and sudo echo boo does work doesn't it ?
[05:37] <adamwest> umm remind me how to mount and make my ext3 drive available for write\read\etc/
[05:37] <Kano> intelikey: i have got no problem with sudo
[05:37] <adamwest> i did sudo mount /dev/hda2 /media/hda
[05:37] <adamwest> but it won't let me create files there
[05:38] <intelikey> adamwest mount /dev/<blah> /<mountpoint>
[05:38] <Kano> but with a script that compiles and fails at a specific point where it should create a dir and change to it
[05:38] <adamwest> intelikey i did that it won't let me create files in the mountpoint
[05:38] <adamwest> after i mounted, i mean
[05:38] <Kano> the dir is created but cd is not executed
[05:40] <intelikey> adamwest you will need to run   sudo cp -a /bin /sbin /etc /usr /var /<that.mount.point>     and anything else except that mountpoint and proc and sys  should just sudo mkdir /<that.mount.point>/proc   and sys
[05:40] <Jucato> maybe the dir doesn't have +x permission
[05:40] <Jucato> Kano: ^^^
[05:40] <matt0507> intelikey: woot found my monitor again :D phewww
[05:40] <intelikey> adamwest the tab key will help you on that cp command.
[05:41] <intelikey> matt0507 you're welcome.
[05:41] <adamwest> intelikey... what? :D u mean all of the folders?
[05:41] <intelikey> adamwest yes
[05:41] <intelikey> the reason is you want to preserve links and permissions.
[05:41] <mcrandello> tab completion is your best freind here
[05:41] <intelikey> that why cp -a
[05:41] <adamwest> well
[05:42] <adamwest> that will only back up the stuff, no?
[05:42] <intelikey> and must be root so     sudo cp -a <sorce> <dest>
[05:42] <intelikey> correct.  it's copying  to the new system.
[05:43] <adamwest> but then ill need to resize THAT partition :)
[05:43] <intelikey> no.
[05:43] <adamwest> how come
[05:44] <mcrandello> it's not copying the partition, just the files contained on the filesystem contained in the partition
[05:44] <adamwest> ok, let's say i copied all of the files in the partition to the new one. what's next?
[05:45] <intelikey> you will have two installs for safty   until you are sure you are ready to remove the   now running one.   then you will have a spare partition you can use for backups/or mount it some place to expand the system.
[05:46] <intelikey> and next would be to edit the   /etc/fstab in the new   and the /boot/grub/menu.lst     changing one line in each.
[05:47] <adamwest> lol if resizing was an option it was so easy D:
[05:47] <intelikey> in fstab changing the    <whatever> / ext3 defaults line   so that <whatever> is the new partition  and  in /boot/grub/menu.lst   the  root=<whatever>  line to the same device.
[05:48] <mcrandello> anyone know anything about making kde display builtin icons for win32 executables?
[05:48] <mcrandello> adamwest: to be even safer I would edit the menu.lst such that you have an entry for both the old and new partition
[05:48] <intelikey> do a chroot /<mountpoint> grub-install (hd0)   and reboot to test it.
[05:49] <intelikey> that's the whole shmeer
[05:49] <adamwest> wait wait wait im confused
[05:49] <adamwest> i need a step by step thing lol unfortunately i'm still newbeing
[05:50] <adamwest> so first the copying. explain please once more
[05:50] <adamwest> ok let me ask you this.
[05:51] <adamwest> is doing all that stuff easier than just reinstalling and reconfiguring all the other stuff? D:
[05:51] <adamwest> *:D
[05:52] <intelikey> sudo cp -a /bin  /dev  /etc  /lib  /sbin  /usr  /var /<that.mount.point>
[05:52] <intelikey> step one copy ^
[05:52] <adamwest> ok, doign that now
[05:53] <adamwest> that.mount.point is what again? the unallocated space i made a partition out of?
[05:53] <mcrandello> the mount point is where your new partition was mounted back when you ran the mount command
[05:53] <intelikey> yes you have to mount it.   i would use /media
[05:54] <adamwest> yeah i did that already but for some reason it won't let me add new data there
[05:54] <intelikey> mount
[05:54] <adamwest> all i did was sudo mount /dev/hda2 /media/hda
[05:54] <adamwest> but it wont let me add data to /media/hda
[05:54] <adamwest> AFTER i mounted.
[05:55] <intelikey> mount | grep hda2
[05:55] <intelikey> what does that say ?
[05:55] <adamwest>   /dev/hda2 on /media/hda type ext3 (rw)
[05:55] <intelikey> you didn't forget the sudo  did you ?
[05:56] <intelikey> on the cp command
[05:56] <adamwest> i didn't try yet. i downloaded the livecd gparted just in case and it didnt let me save there.
[05:56] <yuriy> what'll play a real media stream?
[05:56] <intelikey> :)
[05:57] <mcrandello> alright were you root when you tried saving it there? if not then that's why :P
[05:57] <intelikey> no he wasn't
[05:57] <adamwest> but that's the first time it didnt allow me
[05:57] <intelikey> :)
[05:57] <adamwest> ! dont laught :d
[05:57] <ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[05:57] <adamwest> laugh
[05:57] <matt0507> anyone know what codec is required to play vcds?
[05:58] <intelikey> !dvd
[05:58] <ubotwo> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[05:58] <intelikey> !codecs
[05:58] <ubotwo> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:58] <mcrandello> matt0507: I think a lot of the newer vcd's are divx;-) codec or whatever godawful smiley thing they're using
[05:59] <matt0507> ty, i'll look around into xvid codecs..
[06:00] <adamwest> ok, copying.
[06:00] <adamwest> these are all of the needed folders right now, right? "sudo cp -a /bin /dev /etc /lib /sbin /usr /var /<MOUNT>"
[06:01] <mcrandello> all the folders and files in there
[06:01] <adamwest> cool
[06:01] <intelikey> you'll need to make three others.         one          sudo mkdir /media/hda/proc
[06:02] <seven11> is there a free unreal version for lin
[06:02] <intelikey> sudo mkdir /media/hda/sys
[06:02] <intelikey> sudo mkdir /media/hda/tmp
[06:02] <adamwest> sec let it copy :D
[06:02] <adamwest> brb
[06:02] <intelikey> adamwest oooops i don't see /home in that list.   you'll need to copy it to.
[06:03] <intelikey> and /opt   if you have anything in it.  else make it.
[06:03] <pierre__> what are good sites for learning the basics of linux? ie the filesystem, where things are stored etc
[06:04] <dwidmann> pierre, you could probably learn quite a bit from kubuntu's own help pages
[06:04] <adamwest> back
[06:04] <adamwest> lol ok ill add it when it's done
[06:04] <DaSkreech> How would I know if I'm Running GDM or KDM?
[06:05] <dwidmann> kmenu -> help -> kubuntu docs ->kubuntu desktop guide
[06:05] <dwidmann> DaSkreech: ps -A | grep dm
[06:05] <adamwest> MAN it's taking a lot of time :D
[06:05] <DaSkreech> hi elyon
[06:06] <intelikey> yep backing up the whold install.
[06:06] <elyon> If I were to install a new distro of Linux, is it easy to simply select my /home partition for the new one?  I'd like to try out some other distros, but don't want to go through all the trouble of setting up new user accounts, downloading Firefox extensions, backing up my personal files, etc.
[06:06] <adamwest> is that what i'm doing? lol
[06:06] <DaSkreech> elyon: yes it is
[06:06] <adamwest> i'd listen to music but i backed it up and deleted ^_^
[06:07] <adamwest> and this stupid konqueror won't support last.fm
[06:08] <elyon> DaSkreech: Would I still need to setup new accounts for each user and just point to the already-existing /home directory?
[06:08] <DaSkreech> Amarom supports last.fm
[06:08] <DaSkreech>  and last.fm has a linux client
[06:08] <DaSkreech>  so you can jam all you want :)
[06:08] <adamwest> i heared it doesnt work
[06:08] <mena> Friends how can my pc speakers working and the volume control cant affect on them
[06:08] <DaSkreech> elyon: Yeah but that's pretty easy
[06:08] <DaSkreech> !worksforme
[06:08] <ubotwo> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[06:09] <DaSkreech> adamwest: That's just as true for doesn't work for me
[06:09] <flaccid> how much does last.fm cost?
[06:09] <adamwest> dont remember
[06:09] <elyon> DaSkreech: And I assume that most of the software packages I've installed would be erased with a new distro, right?  Or would I need to clean up a lot of the hidden folders in /home?
[06:10] <adamwest> but it doesnt have to involve payment.. it'll be much cooler with subscription but it's not a must
[06:10] <DaSkreech> elyon: Depending on what you are doing all the packages would be deleted
[06:10] <DaSkreech> The hidden folders would remain
[06:11] <crazy_bus> I'm trying to use Flashgot in Firefox.  However Alt+click doesn't start a new download.  I have the option in flashgot checked to enable it, but it won
[06:11] <crazy_bus> won't start a new download.  Can anyone help?
[06:11] <elyon> DaSkreech: Pretty new to Linux.  In the /home folders, are the applications actually INSTALLED there or are those all just settings information?
[06:11] <DaSkreech> Just settings
[06:11] <DaSkreech> If you reinstall the applicaitons it will take the info from those folders
[06:13] <elyon> DaSkreech: Gotcha.. thank you.  I obviously come from Windows where you're able to select where applications are installed but with Linux it seems to be pretty random (/usr, /etc, /var)... who knows where stuff goes.
[06:13] <mikey_la> when i insert a cd, it does not mount, no cdrom icon is on the desktop
[06:14] <adamwest> HURRAY I'M DONE COPEYING
[06:14] <DaSkreech> !fhs | elyon This may help
[06:14] <ubotwo> elyon This may help: The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[06:14] <DaSkreech> mikey_la: mount it manually
[06:14] <elyon> DaSkreech: Ah, I'll definitely take a look.  Thank you!
[06:15] <adamwest> what other folder was i supposed to copy?
[06:15] <mikey_la> DaSkreech: it used to mount automaticly
[06:15] <DaSkreech> Might be a dirty unmount
[06:15] <intelikey>  /home
[06:15] <adamwest> oh right. same copy -a?
[06:15] <intelikey> and /opt   yes same
[06:16] <adamwest> copying.
[06:17] <adamwest> btw thanks for all this, intelikey :)
[06:17] <adamwest> ok done with copying.
[06:18] <intelikey> mkdir $MOUNTPOINT/proc
[06:18] <intelikey> mkdir $MOUNTPOINT/sys
[06:18] <intelikey> mkdir $MOUNTPOINT/media
[06:18] <intelikey> mkdir $MOUNTPOINT/tmp
[06:18] <intelikey> chmod 1777 $MOUNTPOINT/tmp
[06:18] <adamwest> what does the last one mean
[06:18] <intelikey> i'm scripting this as we speek.
[06:19] <intelikey> makes the new tmp folder sticky   needed.
[06:19] <adamwest> ok
[06:19] <InuDuelist> Whoa, intelikey's still around.
[06:19] <intelikey> InuDuelist yeah
[06:19] <adamwest> ok dome:)
[06:19] <adamwest> done
[06:20] <InuDuelist> Hey intelikey, could you help me out with something, for old times' sake? :P
[06:20] <intelikey> on this one be sure that you put /media/hda   for both $MOUNTPOINT 's   k
[06:20] <intelikey> sed 's_.* / _$DEVICE / _' $MOUNTPOINT/etc/fstab > $MOUNTPOINT/etc/fstab
[06:20] <intelikey> that's one line   ^
[06:21] <intelikey> excuse me the DEVICE is /dev/hda2   on that
[06:21] <intelikey> mountpoint is /media/hda
[06:21] <adamwest> was just about to ask :)
[06:22] <intelikey> after you do that one do     cat /media/hda/etc/fstab    just to make sure  it didn't blank it.
[06:22] <adamwest> so that's ---->  sudo sed 's_.* / _/dev/hda2 / _' /media/hda/etc/fstab > /media/hda/etc/fstab
[06:22] <intelikey> yes.
[06:22] <adamwest> gr8
[06:23] <adamwest> ... permission denied :|
[06:23] <intelikey> sudo cat
[06:23] <adamwest> oh ok
[06:23] <adamwest> same error.
[06:23] <InuDuelist> intelikey: check your queries, if you could.
[06:24] <intelikey> hmmm ok,   let me hit that again.                                                                                                   sudo sed 's_.* / _/dev/hda2 / _' /etc/fstab | tee /media/hda/etc/fstab
[06:25] <adamwest> with cat?
[06:25] <intelikey> i'll have to ammend my script too.      copy and paste that   ^
[06:26] <intelikey> i forgot that sudo > doesn't have but user access....
[06:26] <intelikey> InuDuelist what you need ?
[06:26] <adamwest> is this output ok?
[06:26] <adamwest> hmm i dont wanna get banned sec
[06:26] <InuDuelist> I'm having trouble with compiling a source.
[06:26] <InuDuelist> Something I could have handled a few months back, when I was last around.
[06:26] <InuDuelist> :/
[06:27] <intelikey> adamwest only the line with ' / ' in it is important  the rest is stock.
[06:27] <adamwest> what's "tee: /media/hda/etc/fstab: Permission denied" about?
[06:27] <intelikey> InuDuelist you have build-essential installed ?
[06:28] <intelikey> sudo tee   in that line.    seems   that | only carries user perms too.
[06:28] <intelikey>  sudo sed 's_.* / _/dev/hda2 / _' /etc/fstab | sudo tee /media/hda/etc/fstab
[06:29] <adamwest> ok tnx
[06:29] <adamwest> hurray no errors :)
[06:29] <intelikey> redirrecting the output is the hardest part of this...   heh
[06:29] <intelikey> ok.   let see about grub.
[06:29] <InuDuelist> intelikey: I do now. >_>
[06:29] <InuDuelist> Lemme check if that fixed it.
[06:29] <InuDuelist> Gawd, and to think I was giving advice in here five months ago.
[06:31] <slyfox> Hi
[06:31] <InuDuelist> Hello.
[06:31] <intelikey> adamwest sudo nano /media/hda/boot/grub/menu.lst    look for "root=*"  and make it say  "root=/dev/hda2"    the first line that has root  and doesn't start with #
[06:31] <slyfox> I am a Linux noob. I have searched the forums and found tons of guides on how to Install The Eye Candy XGL, all of them are different is there one GOOD and Simple guide to isntall 3d Desktop on Kubuntu ?
[06:32] <adamwest> intelikey, that's empty :\
[06:32] <intelikey> adamwest ?
[06:32] <DaSkreech> slyfox: Likely no :)
[06:32] <InuDuelist> slyfox: Doubt it.
[06:32] <adamwest> i see no text in there.
[06:32] <intelikey> oh  hehhe your're right  we didn't copy /boot   lol
[06:32] <DaSkreech> slyfox: ask in #ubuntu-xgl for the way for you :)
[06:32] <intelikey> oooops   my bad.
[06:32] <adamwest> lol
[06:32] <adamwest> no biggie
[06:32] <adamwest> copy /boot in same way?
[06:32] <InuDuelist> intelikey: That fixed some of it, but I'm stuck at another problem.
[06:32] <slyfox> So 3D Desktop is not ready yet for mainstream users to use>? Only for "geeks" ?
[06:32] <intelikey> so cp -a     yep
[06:33] <adamwest> copying.
[06:33] <intelikey> InuDuelist error message ?
[06:33] <adamwest> copied
[06:33] <InuDuelist> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[06:33] <InuDuelist> I've fixed this before.
[06:33] <InuDuelist> I hate forgetting things.
[06:33] <adamwest> ok now i see content.
[06:33] <InuDuelist> I feel so... like, new.
[06:33] <intelikey> libxorgdev  or some such
[06:33] <elyon> Has anyone here ever used Linspire?  I'm interested in putting it on my mother's computer (she knows basically NOTHING about computers and is used to Windows).  Is it truly as easy to use as the website claims it to be?  And, more importantly, is it as stable as say Kubuntu is?
[06:33] <InuDuelist> elyon: I know people who use Linspire.
[06:34] <InuDuelist> It's not as perfect as they say.
[06:34] <slyfox> Get Kubuntu, it is easy to use
[06:34] <InuDuelist> If you want to get your mother a stable linux distro, give her Ubuntu. Normal Ubuntu.
[06:34] <slyfox> Or install PCLinuxOS - very easy
[06:34] <intelikey> InuDuelist  libxorgdev  or some such
[06:34] <InuDuelist> Oh, thanks.
[06:34] <InuDuelist> Lemme see.
[06:34] <DaSkreech> elyon: Grab Freespire and try it out
[06:34] <adamwest> ok i checked. it says root=/dev/hda2
[06:35] <elyon> InuDuelist: That's what she's using right now.. gnome.  Linspire seems to be a bit more geared toward the computer know-nothings ;)
[06:35] <InuDuelist> intelikey: That ain't it. :P
[06:35] <intelikey> xorg-dev - the X.Org development libraries
[06:35] <intelikey> xserver-xorg-dev - X.Org X server -- development files
[06:35] <adamwest> wait
[06:35] <elyon> InuDuelist: And Ubuntu took me WEEKS to get stable (which it still isn't)
[06:35] <adamwest> it does start with #.
[06:35] <intelikey> ok that is correct.
[06:35] <InuDuelist> elyon: Then go for the longshot and giver her Linspire.
[06:36] <InuDuelist> Also, stable and working are two different things. ;)
[06:36] <slyfox> Get PClinuxOS or Kubuntu,
[06:36] <InuDuelist> Not Kubuntu.
[06:36] <intelikey> says kernel /boot/vmlinuz* root=/dev/hda2    adamwest ?
[06:36] <InuDuelist> Give her Gnome, more stable.
[06:36] <InuDuelist> Less... of a chance to kill herself.
[06:37] <slyfox> Kubuntu is as stable as Gnome
[06:37] <slyfox> Kubuntu looks better for those who are coming from Windows.
[06:37] <InuDuelist> intelikey: Lemme get those installed, I'll tell you if it's fixed.
[06:37] <InuDuelist> Bull.
[06:37] <elyon> Well, I've been having a big problem with Ubuntu in general...a problem she wouldn't be able to handle.
[06:37] <InuDuelist> Such as?
[06:37] <elyon> *I* can't even fix it, but I've been using a workaround.
[06:38] <InuDuelist> What's the problem?
[06:38] <InuDuelist> I might still remember enough to be able to fix.
[06:38] <elyon> InuDuelist: My entire system locks up nearly every time a user logs off.
[06:38] <InuDuelist> ...
[06:38] <adamwest> sorry intelikey, didn't scroll down :D
[06:38] <slyfox> that is a driver issue
[06:38] <InuDuelist> Well, I never encountered that problem.
[06:38] <slyfox> I had that
[06:38] <elyon> InuDuelist: Black screen, mouse frozen, can't use the keyboard to restart X or open a new terminal.
[06:38] <slyfox> do you ahve ATI ?
[06:38] <mcrandello> you using a radeon mobility with a cheap laptop?
[06:38] <adamwest> ill check that now intelikey
[06:38] <elyon> slyfox: Sadly, yes. :)
[06:38] <slyfox> Not a problem
[06:38] <elyon> mcrandello: Radeon 9600 on a desktop.
[06:38] <mcrandello> ah
[06:39] <slyfox> just follow the edgy guide and downlaod the driver from ATI site
[06:39] <InuDuelist> That should do it.
[06:39] <slyfox> and follow the guide to do instllation manualy
[06:39] <elyon> slyfox: I've done that so many times... no help.\
[06:39] <adamwest> intelikey the only time in the file where there's /dev/hda2 : # kernel        /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 ro
[06:39] <mcrandello> in my case I had to put noapic and pollirq in the menu.lst boot options
[06:39] <InuDuelist> elyon: Your mother's computer is different than yours though, right?
[06:39] <InuDuelist> So it should be a problem?
[06:39] <InuDuelist> shouldn't*
[06:39] <elyon> slyfox: I've tried the ATI drivers, fglrx, etc.
[06:39] <slyfox> elyon: I had that issue the first time I installed ATI driver using method 1 from the guide. then I used method 2 and did it myself and all works
[06:39] <elyon> InuDuelist: No... same computer, but I'm getting a new one.
[06:39] <intelikey> adamwest a line that 'DOES NOT!' start with #
[06:40] <InuDuelist> Ah.
[06:40] <InuDuelist> Did you try reformatting the entire hard drive?
[06:40] <adamwest> as i said, THAT'S THE ONLY LINE THAT HAS /DEV/HDA2.
[06:40] <InuDuelist> Maybe there was an error during install.
[06:40] <elyon> InuDuelist: A few times...I've tried a few different distros, reformatting/partitioning each time.
[06:40] <InuDuelist> Hmm.
[06:40] <InuDuelist> This problem comes with each distro?
[06:40] <elyon> InuDuelist: Nope.  Just Ubuntu.
[06:40] <InuDuelist> Huh.
[06:40] <intelikey> don't look for dev/  look for     kernel
[06:41] <slyfox> Get Kubuntu or PClinuxos
[06:41] <InuDuelist> Well, you could always get her a mac.
[06:41] <InuDuelist> Though, that'd be putting her into Apple's filthy hands.
[06:41] <elyon> slyfox: I have Ubuntu/Kubuntu...
[06:41] <elyon> InuDuelist: Oh, never! lol
[06:42] <intelikey> adamwest ?
[06:42] <adamwest> i have several lines that start with "kernal". what should it say?
[06:42] <slyfox> elyon: Actual Kubuntu or just a skin on top of Ubuntu ?
[06:42] <intelikey> ok the first one
[06:42] <InuDuelist> intelikey:
[06:42] <InuDuelist> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[06:42] <InuDuelist> For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log.
[06:42] <elyon> slyfox: I installed Ubuntu and installed kubuntu-desktop.  I was under the impression they were basically identical.
[06:42] <adamwest> intelikey kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-386 root=UUID=d5c1f31f-08fe-4117-b4de-0021c8b59a81 ro quiet splash
[06:43] <mcrandello> elyon: it's a long shot since everyone this bug affects seems to be a radeon m user but among other things lockups on logoff/shutdown was one of the major symptoms so maybe it's the same root problem...
[06:43] <InuDuelist> elyon:  NOOOO!
[06:43] <InuDuelist> I made that same mistake.
[06:43] <mcrandello> elyon: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15/+bug/41272
[06:43] <InuDuelist> That was the reason I came into this channel in the first place. >_>
[06:43] <intelikey> adamwest yes that one.   change  UUID=d5c1f31f-08fe-4117-b4de-0021c8b59a81  to /dev/hda2
[06:43] <InuDuelist> Because I didn't know how big a mistake I was making.
[06:43] <mcrandello> the problem being an irq conflict
[06:43] <adamwest> intelikey lol what does this long thing mean
[06:43] <elyon> InuDuelist: I thought the only difference was the Window Manager.
[06:43] <InuDuelist> No, no.
[06:44] <InuDuelist> You become unable to use Aptitude.
[06:44] <InuDuelist> It completely screws and removes half of the Gnome and half of the KDE files.
[06:44] <elyon> InuDuelist: I kind of like Adept, though, anyway.
[06:44] <slyfox> elyon: Get a clean intall of Kubuntu
[06:44] <adamwest> intelikey so now it says --kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-386 root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash   --> is that ok?
[06:44] <intelikey> it's blkid  new approach to device identification.  i haven't switched to it yet....
[06:44] <elyon> ah.
[06:44] <InuDuelist> That's why you install KDE and/or Gnome seperately.
[06:44] <intelikey> adamwest yes
[06:44] <InuDuelist> Using apt-get install kde or apt-get install gnome .
[06:44] <mcrandello> that numberspam unique identifier caused me no end of problems earlier
[06:44] <InuDuelist> intelikey:
[06:44] <adamwest> cool. so i save and close it? intelikey
[06:44] <elyon> InuDuelist: So if I do a clean install of Kubuntu, will I lose all my settings?  (I do have a separate /home partition)
[06:44] <intelikey> adamwest note the name of that one and save and exit it
[06:45] <InuDuelist> elyon: I need you to do something for me.
[06:45] <adamwest> name of what, file?
[06:45] <InuDuelist> Run sudo aptitude update
[06:45] <InuDuelist> Tell me what appears.
[06:45] <mcrandello> but at some point it after an upgrade/reinstall it crept back in and it seems to be working
[06:45] <InuDuelist> In a query, most likely.
[06:45] <intelikey> adamwest no the line just above the kernel line
[06:45] <elyon> InuDuelist: A LOT appeared :)
[06:45] <intelikey> should have a neme   if i remember grub correctly
[06:46] <adamwest> intelikey ---> root            (hd0,2) --> is above the kernal line.
[06:46] <InuDuelist> elyon: Give me the first five or six items in the "remove" section.
[06:46] <intelikey> ummm ok.
[06:46] <adamwest> oh you mean the title, intelikey -- title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.17-10-386
[06:46] <intelikey> yes
[06:46] <matt0507> what is the linux equilvalance to window's Powerdvd for dvd playing?
[06:46] <adamwest> cool ill write it down
[06:46] <InuDuelist> intelikey: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[06:47] <intelikey> InuDuelist so install qt headers  or qt-dev or what ever..
[06:47] <InuDuelist> OK
[06:47] <InuDuelist> No packages.
[06:47] <InuDuelist> Lemme look around some more.
[06:47] <adamwest> how do i save a file there, intelikey
[06:48] <intelikey> you know how to search the packages    apt-cache search qt | grep dev
[06:48] <intelikey> @ InuDuelist ^
[06:48] <intelikey> adamwest the ^x      ?
[06:48] <adamwest> intelikey that's the exit... it saves? ok .
[06:48] <intelikey> yes it will ask
[06:48] <mcrandello> [00:46]  <InuDuelist> elyon: Give me the first five or six items in the "remove" section.
[06:49] <mcrandello> I think he was gone when you asked the first time InuDuelist
[06:49] <elyon> mcrandello: Huh?
[06:49] <adamwest> ok done.
[06:49] <mcrandello> InuDuelist: asked between you getting flooded and rejoining
[06:49] <InuDuelist> ...
[06:49] <InuDuelist> Oh, pfft.
[06:49] <mcrandello> wrong tab completion
[06:49] <InuDuelist> elyon: Could you tell me the first five or six items in the list to be removed?
[06:50] <InuDuelist> And in the list to be added?
[06:50] <intelikey> adamwest sudo chroot /media/hda grub-install /dev/hda
[06:50] <surgy> my ipod 2.0 will not mount can someone help me please?
[06:50] <elyon> InuDuelist: I'm sorry, not sure what you mean.  I don't see any add or remove sections in that.
[06:50] <intelikey> and you should be ready to reboot into the new system.
[06:50] <adamwest> applying, intelikey.
[06:50] <InuDuelist> In the sudo aptitude update menu.
[06:50] <adamwest> sudo chroot /media/hda grub-install /dev/hda
[06:50] <adamwest> ***sec
[06:50] <InuDuelist> You said there's a lot of things there, right?
[06:51] <adamwest> intelikey ok working
[06:51] <elyon> InuDuelist: Yeah.
[06:51] <adamwest> chroot /media/hda grub-install /dev/hda2 --> The file /boot/grub/stage2 not read correctly
[06:51] <elyon> InuDuelist: I posted it to the query.. or did you not get that?
[06:51] <adamwest> intelikey^
[06:52] <intelikey> let me see if i have grub docs.
[06:52] <InuDuelist> I didn't get it.
[06:52] <adamwest> intelikey the sudo was there, didnt copy it.
[06:52] <InuDuelist> elyon: It doesn't matter, anyway. The list of things should be seperated into two sections. "To be removed" and "To be installed"
[06:53] <elyon> InuDuelist: Are you talking about aptitude update?  Because all it did was run through the list of repositories.
[06:53] <InuDuelist> Oh.
[06:53] <intelikey> oh adamwest you can    sudo update-grub     it might add a new entry in the existing grub for the other system.
[06:53] <InuDuelist> Oh, duh.
[06:53] <elyon> InuDuelist: It seemed to run just fine
[06:53] <adamwest> intelikey ok ill update, run the prev line again and report :)
[06:54] <adamwest> nope. still same error, intelikey
[06:54] <InuDuelist> Hm.
[06:55] <intelikey> adamwest no not repete.  if the update adds an entry just reboot into the new system.
[06:55] <adamwest> so now i should reboot the comp and itll be in the new system?
[06:56] <intelikey> if you reboot look in the boot menu for an entry that is not the default   should say something about where the system is.
[06:56] <InuDuelist> elyon: Well, then you might not have a problem. But to be safe and avoid running into "the problem" later, I'd freshly install either Ubuntu or Kubuntu.
[06:56] <intelikey> boot the (hd0,1) entry
[06:57] <elyon> InuDuelist: And then NOT install gnome?
[06:57] <InuDuelist> Don't install either.
[06:57] <adamwest> sweet! thanks intelikey, i'll be back with hopefully the new system working :) bbs
[06:57] <InuDuelist> if you install Kubuntu, don't install ubuntu-desktop.
[06:57] <InuDuelist> And vice versa.
[06:57] <intelikey> adamwest you can grep 'hd0,1' /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:57] <adamwest> what intelikey?
[06:57] <intelikey> just to make sure it's there.
[06:58] <intelikey> before you hit the reset    :)
[06:58] <intelikey> grep 'hd0,1' /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:58] <adamwest> write that in the terminal? sec
[06:58] <intelikey> yes
[06:58] <adamwest> sweet --> grep 'hd0,1' /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:58] <adamwest> oof sec
[06:58] <adamwest> ---> # root          (hd0,1)
[06:58] <adamwest> SWEET ^_^
[06:59] <intelikey> we hope it spits out more data  than that.
[06:59] <adamwest> ? what do you mean
[06:59] <intelikey> is that all it said ?
[06:59] <adamwest> umm yeah
[06:59] <adamwest> .. is that not good? :(
[06:59] <soulrider> hi everyone
[06:59] <InuDuelist> Hi soulrider.
[07:00] <intelikey> well no.      sudo grub-install (hd0)
[07:00] <intelikey> and run that grep string again
[07:00] <soulrider> hi InuDuelist, hi intelikey
[07:00] <intelikey> soulrider
[07:00] <adamwest> it wont let me do brackets "("
[07:00] <intelikey> well no.      sudo grub-install /dev/hda
[07:00] <adamwest> oh ok
[07:00] <soulrider> im tyring to get Simcity 2000 to work on linux :P
[07:01] <adamwest> hda2 you mean
[07:01] <InuDuelist> WTF?
[07:01] <InuDuelist> intelikey:
[07:01] <InuDuelist> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[07:01] <InuDuelist> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[07:01] <InuDuelist> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[07:01] <intelikey> adamwest question.   do you have windows installed also ?
[07:01] <adamwest> nope. but i have another working computer.
[07:01] <intelikey> then no. just like i said it.  sudo grub-install /dev/hda
[07:02] <bARTIST> hi!
[07:02] <InuDuelist> intelikey: Did you see that?
[07:02] <dwidmann> export $KDEDIR=/usr/lib/kde3
[07:02] <dwidmann> rm $
[07:02] <bARTIST> i would like to have infos about the partitions of my disk
[07:02] <intelikey> InuDuelist kde-dev
[07:02] <adamwest> ok now i do what again? the 'grep hd00 stuff?
[07:03] <intelikey> yep
[07:03] <intelikey> InuDuelist
[07:03] <intelikey> kde-devel - the K Desktop Environment development files and modules
[07:03] <intelikey> kde-devel-extras - extra development applications for use with KDE
[07:03] <dwidmann> kde-devel also comes with a load of other things, if all you want to do is compile a single package, that's overkill
[07:03] <adamwest> same one line. umm before i shouldve done sudo chroot /media/hda grub-install /dev/hda, instead of sudo chroot /media/hda grub-install /dev/hda2 ?
[07:04] <adamwest> rephrase that, should've i done "sudo chroot /media/hda grub-install /dev/hda" instead of "sudo chroot /media/hda grub-install /dev/hda2" ?
[07:04] <intelikey> adamwest sorry you lost me
[07:04] <adamwest> intelikey ^
[07:04] <InuDuelist> intelikey: kde-dev, kde-devel, and kde-devel-extras don't exist.
[07:04] <intelikey> yes. correct adamwest
[07:04] <InuDuelist> At least, not in my repos.
[07:04] <adamwest> oops :D
[07:05] <cmiller> they exist
[07:05] <cmiller> cmiller@cmiller-laptop ~> sudo apt-cache search kde-devel
[07:05] <cmiller> kde-devel - the K Desktop Environment development files and modules
[07:05] <cmiller> kde-devel-extras - extra development applications for use with KDE
[07:05] <intelikey> adamwest that's ok.  did you do    "sudo grub-install /dev/hda"  ?
[07:05] <adamwest> well, same one line. intelikey
[07:05] <adamwest> yes
[07:06] <intelikey> anyone good with grub in here ?
[07:06] <intelikey> !grub
[07:06] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:06] <dwidmann> cmiller: you don't need sudo to run apt-cache, should save you some keystrokes in the future knowing that
[07:06] <InuDuelist> intelikey: Could you help me find kde-devel?
[07:06] <InuDuelist> Or what repository it's in?
[07:06] <cmiller> type "man grub-install" if you lost grub after installing windoze
[07:06] <intelikey> !kde-devel
[07:06] <ubotu> kde-devel: the K Desktop Environment development files and modules. In component universe, is extra. Version 5:47 (edgy), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB
[07:06] <intelikey> says universe
[07:06] <InuDuelist> Ah, there we go.
[07:07] <adamwest> intelikey, should i read that?
[07:07] <cmiller> dwidmann: that's nice
[07:07] <intelikey> cmiller no windows added new partition  want it installed there.
[07:08] <cmiller> so we had a functioning install and then made a new partition?
[07:08] <intelikey> adamwest there might be a good howto on installing from the livecd   that would be about the eq of what you want to do.
[07:08] <intelikey> yes
[07:08] <cmiller> sounds like you want some kind of partition cloning tool to me
[07:08] <dwidmann> you likely don't need the full kde-devel package ... kde-core, kdelibs4-dev kdebase-dev libkonq4-dev libqt3-mt-dev
[07:08] <adamwest> intelikey, i saw this --- sudo grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/sda
[07:08] <intelikey> and want to migrate grub
[07:08] <adamwest> "If /boot is mounted on another partition and you use update-grub, then you may run into problems. One fix is to use grub-install, which is a distribution-agnostic way to install the grub boot loader to a boot sector."
[07:08] <InuDuelist> K.
[07:08] <InuDuelist> Found it.
[07:09] <cmiller> the suspense is killing me
[07:10] <intelikey> that latter post looks like it's on the right track.
[07:10] <InuDuelist> So, intelikey, you're still around after all these months? You're quite a bored person, aren't you? :P
[07:10] <intelikey> cmiller all he needs is to install grub on the other system / partition.
[07:10] <InuDuelist> Probably don't even remember me. :P
[07:11] <dwidmann> seems the  herd2 installer needs a _lot_ of work
[07:11] <intelikey> InuDuelist actually not by that name.
[07:11] <InuDuelist> intelikey: That's a shame. I was around for about a month helping you and a couple other people out.
[07:11] <intelikey> cmiller he has another system mounted at /media/hda
[07:11] <InuDuelist> Then my hard drive crashed, and I was disallowed from reinstalling any form of operating system again. >_>
[07:12] <InuDuelist> At least, not on the computer I was on.
[07:12] <intelikey> that's where live CD's are handy
[07:12] <adamwest> what livecd should i use
[07:12] <adamwest> or dl, interlikey
[07:13] <intelikey> adamwest that was at InuDuelist
[07:13] <adamwest> oh ok :P
[07:13] <intelikey> you don't need a live cd you have a live system
[07:13] <adamwest> for how long ^_^
[07:14] <InuDuelist> Oh, you're right.
[07:14] <InuDuelist> Live CDs, I never quite realized I could still do that. >_>
[07:14] <adamwest> intelikey, in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto there are several issues: Setting kernel parameters, If /boot is on another partition, Changing the Disk that Grub is installed to, etc.
[07:14] <dawn> hi
[07:14] <InuDuelist> Let's see if this build will work now.
[07:14] <InuDuelist> Hi dawn.
[07:15] <intelikey> you can just edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst  and add a new entry   but that will need fixed at some later point.     let me read on that link a minute.
[07:15] <dwidmann> hello dawn
[07:15] <InuDuelist> ./configure works.
[07:15] <InuDuelist> Time to test out make.
[07:15] <dawn> whats a quick way to break a 15gb file down to 4gb segments?
[07:15] <dawn> FAT32 only supports <4gb
[07:15] <intelikey> dawn dd
[07:15] <dawn> ?
[07:15] <cmiller> there's a way to use sed to do that.
[07:15] <intelikey> man dd
[07:16] <cmiller> i was reading about it a while back.  I'll go google.
[07:16] <dawn> oh command line?
[07:16] <intelikey> dd is simple and quick
[07:16] <intelikey> yes
[07:16] <dawn> hmmm
[07:16] <Jucato> dwidmann: someone was talking about compiling...
[07:17] <InuDuelist> And.... dammit.
[07:17] <dwidmann> even if they didn't mention the prefix ... I mentioned something that would work even if they said --prefix=/la/la/land
[07:17] <jean-b> hi
[07:17] <jean-b> i want to mount 2 win partitions
[07:17] <dwidmann> granted, I doubt anyone listened, but I said it
[07:17] <jean-b> the 2 are ntfs
[07:18] <jean-b> i read that ntfs can be mounted as read only
[07:18] <jean-b> and fat32 can be writeable
[07:18] <shinigami> help, how do i scan for a usb device after i plug in? kubuntu
[07:18] <Jucato> I just think it's more recommended to use --prefix in configure, and saves a lot of future headaches
[07:19] <shinigami> help, how do i scan for a usb device after i plug in? what's the command to scan
[07:19] <Jucato> shinigami: doesn't it already do it automatically?
[07:19] <CakeProphet> hrm....
[07:19] <Jucato> "lsusb" I think
[07:19] <CakeProphet> back again (it's been like an hour)
[07:19] <shinigami> no.. i plug into a scanner
[07:19] <dawn> nts is readable
[07:19] <dawn> *ntfs
[07:19] <CakeProphet> the driver was installed...
[07:19] <CakeProphet> but now the device isn't connecting...
[07:19] <jean-b> can ntfs be also writeable?
[07:19] <dawn> I have tried
[07:19] <intelikey> N=1 ;for Q in 1234 ;do dd if=file of=file$N.part count=1 bs=<4g> skip=$(($N * 1g)) ;N=$(($N + 1)) ;done
[07:19] <Jucato> jean-b: not really
[07:19] <dawn> but microsoft makes it difficult
[07:20] <intelikey> that line will need one or two tweeks   ^
[07:20] <dawn> intellikey is that the syntax?
[07:20] <adamwest> any news, intelikey?
[07:20] <jean-b> if i want a partition that can be readable and writable by win and linux
[07:20] <intelikey> that's a fully automated way.
[07:20] <jean-b> which one should it be?
[07:20] <Jucato> jean-b: fat32
[07:20] <jean-b> damned
[07:20] <jean-b> i have to reformat it ...
[07:20] <Jucato> jean-b: just take note that fat32 doesn't do file/directory permissions
[07:21] <dawn> fat32 has 4gb limit as well
[07:21] <dawn> hence my problem
[07:21] <shinigami> i used lsusb.. and found my scanner "brothers" at bus 04
[07:21] <shinigami> what should i do next?
[07:21] <jean-b> 4GB??
[07:21] <shinigami> how to mount it
[07:21] <jean-b> damned it
[07:21] <jean-b> mmm well thanx for the adivces
[07:21] <Jucato> shinigami: it's a scanner, you don't mount it afaik
[07:22] <Jucato> dawn: huh?
[07:22] <Jucato> aah nvm
[07:22] <Jucato> jean-b: 4GB file limit... means the maximum size of a single file allowed by fat32 is 4GB
[07:22] <dawn> i cannot understand that script intellikey
[07:22] <adamwest> intelikey is it too late to risk it and resize the whole damn thing lol
[07:22] <jean-b> jucato ah, ok
[07:22] <jean-b> but the part can be bigger than 4GB?
[07:22] <InuDuelist> intelikey: ./configure was successful, but make keeps failing.
[07:23] <dawn> linux: the greatest learning curve in my life right now
[07:23] <dawn> haha
[07:23] <dawn> jean: the disc can be large the 4gb
[07:23] <dawn> yes
[07:23] <Jucato> jean-b: yes
[07:23] <shinigami> hmm then how..
[07:23] <dawn> i have a 80GB wd USB drive
[07:23] <Jucato> jean-b: 32GB is the max size for a fat32 partition
[07:23] <dawn> that was formatted to fat32
[07:23] <Jucato> dawn: fat32?
[07:23] <dawn> I used partition magix ver. 8
[07:24] <intelikey> adamwest no. it's not too late.  see that's the beauty of this approach   we have not affected the running system at all.
[07:24] <Jucato> afaik, Windows doesn't recognize fat32 beyond 32GB...
[07:24] <Jucato> shinigami: what are you trying to do?
[07:24] <intelikey> Jucato can you help adamwest install grub on /dev/hda2  mounted at /media/hda   ?
[07:24] <adamwest> intelikey u mean if i restart now than nothing's changed? weird ^_^
[07:24] <Jucato> intelikey: er?
[07:25] <InuDuelist> intelikey: ./configure works, but make fails.
[07:25] <intelikey> adamwest if we can reinstall grub then then you should be able to boot eather system.
[07:25] <Jucato> InuDuelist: what are you trying to compile? what does the error output of make say?
[07:25] <intelikey> Jucato grub ?
[07:25] <InuDuelist> ...
[07:25] <InuDuelist> Oh, dammit.
[07:25] <adamwest> intelikey how do i do that
[07:25] <Jucato> intelikey: I'm not very familiar with GRUB anymore...
[07:26] <InuDuelist> There's a goddamned option for it in synaptic.
[07:26] <Jucato> wait...
[07:26] <InuDuelist> Hours, wasted. >_>
[07:26] <InuDuelist> Hey, Jucato.
[07:26] <InuDuelist> I remember you too.
[07:26] <Jucato> hi
[07:26] <intelikey> Jucato  i don't even have it.  can't use it.
[07:26] <snowrichard> hello
[07:26] <Jucato> hi InuDuelist
[07:26] <Jucato> hm.. GRUB doesn't recognize mount points, for starters...
[07:27] <Jucato> it only does /dev or hdx,x
[07:28] <intelikey> Jucato the new system is mounted on /media/hda   so a;  chroot /media/hda  grub-install /dev/hda   ?
[07:28] <Jucato> what's adamwest (batman?) trying to do again?
[07:28] <intelikey> install a boot loader
[07:28] <adamwest> but mainly move my system from one partition to another.
[07:28] <intelikey> from a running system   (think live CD)
[07:29] <intelikey> the system is moved   (or copied.)  but the boot loader needs installed from the new system
[07:29] <Jucato> let me try to dig up my memory...
[07:29] <eean> I need the Net/Http.pm perl module. What its package name?
[07:30] <adamwest> btw jucato my adamwest nick is from family guy :) probably from more places but that's where i got the name from
[07:30] <eean> and how do you figure out perl module -> package name in general
[07:30] <intelikey> adamwest you did  "sudo chroot /media/hda grub-install /dev/hda "    ?
[07:30] <adamwest> in one line, intelikey
[07:30] <adamwest> *?
[07:30] <Jucato> intelikey: no need for chroot
[07:30] <Jucato> afaik...
[07:30] <Jucato> wait.. trying to remember...
[07:30] <intelikey> Jucato if he doesn't chroot it will use /boot   ?
[07:31] <Jucato> intelikey: nope...
[07:31] <Jucato> hold on
[07:31] <InuDuelist> Well, I got that installed.
[07:31] <InuDuelist> Good night, guys.
[07:31] <Jucato> adamwest: you're on the live cd?
[07:31] <intelikey> it needs to use /media/hda/boot
[07:31] <eean> ...yes :) tough grub-install has an option to change where it looks for /boot
[07:31] <adamwest> no, on an installed system,
[07:31] <intelikey> Jucato affectively the liveCD  yes
[07:31] <Jucato> intelikey: grub has a command for that
[07:31] <intelikey> that's what he needs.
[07:32] <adamwest> jucato i originally wanted to resize the current ext3 partition but because i'm using it and it's not safe to resize, we try to simply copy it to the huge partition instead.
[07:32] <intelikey> adamwest jucato will dig up the command you need now.
[07:32] <adamwest> great, intelikey and jucato :)] 
[07:33] <Jucato> from memory... "sudo grub" "find /boot/stage1" "root <wherever_stage1_is>" "setup <where_you_want_to_install_grub>"
[07:33] <adamwest> what's stage1
[07:33] <intelikey> a file
[07:33] <adamwest> file not found
[07:34] <Jucato> adamwest: you went into the grub prompt already?
[07:34] <adamwest> ye
[07:34] <Jucato> hm...
[07:34] <Jucato> oh sorry
[07:34] <intelikey> root first isn't it
[07:34] <intelikey> ?
[07:34] <Jucato> no..
[07:35] <Jucato> you won't know what to root into
[07:35] <intelikey> hmmm ok.
[07:35] <Jucato> rawr.. me an my failing memory
[07:35] <intelikey> yeah root will be /dev/hda2
[07:35] <intelikey> or (hd0,1)
[07:35] <Jucato> if that's where stage1 is, then do that
[07:36] <adamwest> what do you mean
[07:36] <esc> hello
[07:36] <intelikey> root (hd0,1)
[07:36] <adamwest> in grub?
[07:36] <intelikey> yes
[07:36] <adamwest> ok done
[07:36] <Jucato> in the grub prompts
[07:36] <Jucato> in the grub prompt
[07:37] <adamwest> now what
[07:37] <Jucato> where do you want to install GRUB?
[07:37] <Jucato> hda1?
[07:37] <intelikey> now     find /boot/grub/stage1
[07:37] <Jucato> er...
[07:37] <intelikey> hda2
[07:37] <Jucato> intelikey: that's redundant
[07:37] <adamwest> in /dev/hda2 ... or in mounted /media/hda
[07:37] <Jucato> adamwest: forget the mount point
[07:37] <mena> What is the best Music player Wich play all kinds of music files
[07:37] <intelikey> Jucato oh,  ok.  take over i'll watch.
[07:37] <Jucato> GRUB doesn't recognize mount points
[07:37] <adamwest> lol ok jucato
[07:38] <Jucato> so hda2?
[07:38] <adamwest> ye
[07:38] <Jucato> what's in hda1?
[07:38] <adamwest> the ext3 ubuntu's using now,.
[07:38] <intelikey> i.e. other system
[07:38] <Jucato> ok....
[07:39] <intelikey> needs installed to the mbr btw
[07:39] <Jucato> hm...
[07:39] <Jucato> yes..
[07:39] <Jucato> so it should be: setup (hd0)
[07:40] <adamwest> type that in grub now?
[07:40] <Jucato> that will install (and overwrite) GRUB on the MBR of hda
[07:40] <adamwest> ok done.
[07:40] <esc> has anyone tried gaim beta6? I just installed it and I cannot log into my googletalk account...
[07:40] <Jucato> adamwest: quit
[07:40] <Jucato> adamwest: then restart
[07:40] <adamwest> btw it's /boot/grub/stage1 :) jucato
[07:40] <Jucato> esc: try in #ubuntu or #gaim
[07:41] <esc> good idea
[07:41] <adamwest> restart the copmuter or grub or whatever? jucato
[07:41] <Jucato> adamwest: yeah. like I said, failing memory..
[07:41] <Jucato> adamwest: the computer
[07:41] <adamwest> jucato: ok, ill do that
[07:41] <Jucato> adamwest: you didn't get any error messages after the setup command?
[07:41] <intelikey> adamwest sorry for all the hassel there     see jucato fixed grub presto    i got bumbfuzzeled on grub.
[07:42] <adamwest> jucato/intelikey: thanks both. in case i don't make it back, i wanna thank you very much for your great job! :D
[07:42] <Jucato> intelikey: heh
[07:42] <intelikey> lol
[07:42] <adamwest> and intelikey you helped! ;)
[07:42] <Jucato> adamwest: in case you can't boot into the hard disk
[07:42] <Jucato> use the Live CD to connect to IRC
[07:42] <Jucato> intelikey: at least you were concerned
[07:42] <Jucato> and gave him hope... and non-working stuff :P
[07:42] <adamwest> lol :D
[07:43] <intelikey> lol
[07:43] <Jucato> intelikey: btw, the root (hdx,x) command does what you were proposing chroot for
[07:43] <adamwest> ok am i free to go? no "WAIIIITTTTTT" messages i should read? :)
[07:43] <intelikey> Jucato yes i saw that .... now if i can remember that.
[07:43] <Jucato> WAIIIT
[07:43] <mena> !gaim
[07:43] <ubotu> Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.
[07:43] <adamwest> ^_^
[07:43] <Jucato> adamwest: I forgot to say something very important
[07:43] <Jucato> adamwest: Good Luck! :P
[07:43] <intelikey> good luck
[07:43] <intelikey> :)
[07:43] <adamwest> lol :P thanks
[07:44] <adamwest> ;) bbs
[07:44] <mena> doesnt kopete supprot Google TAlk
[07:44] <Jucato> Bulletin Board System?
[07:44] <Jucato> mena: it does
[07:44] <Jucato> for some reason, esc wanted GAIM
[07:44] <mena> jucato, realy but i cant ....its under what name
[07:45] <Jucato> mena: you have to use the Jabber protocol
[07:45] <esc> hey I like gaim
[07:45] <Jucato> esc: that's why I said "for some reason"
[07:45] <mena> jucato , okay i will see
[07:45] <shinigami> i'm trying to plug in my scanner and scan.... i've installed sane but still can't find the device that i plugged in
[07:45] <Jucato> mena: let me get a guide for you
[07:45] <Jucato> shinigami: using Kooka?
[07:45] <Jucato> mena: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Google+Talk+support
[07:46] <esc> Jucato: do you use kopete?
[07:46] <Jucato> esc: yes
[07:46] <Jucato> but I haven't setup Google Talk after I reinstalled
[07:46] <ullvarg> i have a small technical question...
[07:46] <mena> jucato, okay i will see it
[07:46] <esc> just curious...why do you prefer it over gaim? any reasons besides it being native to kde?
[07:47] <ullvarg> how do i get sound drivers on my packardbell easy note a6
[07:47] <Jucato> esc: it fits in with KDE, notifications, dcop, shortcuts, appearance.
[07:47] <ullvarg> its got a 	Conexant 20468-31 AC'97 audio codec which isnt coverd by alsa
[07:47] <intelikey> would some be so kind as to post the output of    grep -m1 ^kernel /boot/grub/menu.lst      for me please ?
[07:47] <Jucato> and with other KDE apps
[07:48] <intelikey> i'm looking for syntax   ^
[07:48] <CakeProphet> so I installed the ndiswrapper package stuff... installed a driver, and associated my wireless adapter to that driver... but... it still doesn't work.  :/
[07:48] <Jucato> intelikey: kernel          /vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/hdb2 ro quiet splash
[07:48] <intelikey> ty Jucato
[07:48] <esc> Jucato: yeah, I'm 99% kde at this point, but I just cant shake gaim. I try kopete and after 10 mins I go back to gaim...maybe I should force myself heh
[07:48] <Jucato> esc: don't force yourself
[07:48] <Jucato> it will happen eventually
[07:48] <esc> I really like the gaim betas
[07:49] <dwidmann> Okay, I have a rather general question I feel like asking. I've been playing with transcode lately, and I'm wondering if there's any way I could get it to auto-detect the amount of black it needs to clip off the top and bottom :\
[07:49] <Jucato> any particular reason you don't like Kopete? (I have one... ugly inteface :P)
[07:49] <shinigami> yes i used kooka and use word-->insert picture-->scan
[07:49] <shinigami> both cannot find my device...
[07:49] <karl> why does my password work to login, but nothing else?
[07:49] <Jucato> shinigami: the device is on, right?
[07:49] <shinigami> do i need the drivers or something?
[07:49] <esc> yup, it's so ugly...while gaim beta is so pretty
[07:49] <adamwest> HURRAY IT WORKS :D
[07:49] <esc> that's the only reason
[07:49] <shinigami> yes.. the deivce is on
[07:49] <adamwest> omg jucato intelikey
[07:49] <Jucato> shinigami: I'm not sure if your scanner needs special drivers..
[07:50] <adamwest> it's now in the huge partition, thanks a bunch! :)
[07:50] <Jucato> !scanner | shinigami
[07:50] <ubotu> shinigami: Scanning software: XSane, the gimp, Kooka. For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[07:50] <Jucato> adamwest: nice :)
[07:50] <adamwest> is intelikey here?
[07:50] <Jucato> yes he is.. he's just ignoring you
[07:50] <Jucato> :P
[07:50] <adamwest> :D after all we've been through
[07:50] <karl> can anyone help me out for a sec?
[07:51] <shinigami> its installed. hmm ok
[07:51] <shinigami> i read the site
[07:51] <adamwest> btw jucato what's your personal opinion about best environment? (gnome kde xfce etc)
[07:51] <Jucato> karl: what do you mean? about the password?
[07:51] <intelikey> adamwest it's supposed to be.
[07:51] <intelikey> :)
[07:51] <Jucato> adamwest: I'm biased :P
[07:51] <adamwest> intelikey :D
[07:52] <adamwest> jucato you're what? :)
[07:52] <Jucato> adamwest: I'm biased... so my answer to your question will definitely be KDE :P
[07:52] <adamwest> and intelikey your opinion also if u want
[07:52] <intelikey> just because i'm no good with grub    "which i can't use because i don't have any partitions,"    doesn't mean i don't know anything....   :)
[07:52] <karl> well, i can login to kubuntu fine, but if i try to do anything such as enter the wlanassistant, it asks me for my password, but it tells me its wrong
[07:52] <adamwest> :P
[07:53] <karl> if i try to change my password, it tells me it's wrong as well
[07:53] <karl> but i can login?
[07:53] <adamwest> kde? but konquerer sucks a bit, don't it jucato :)
[07:53] <Jucato> adamwest: nope it doesn't :)
[07:53] <Jucato> adamwest: I use it 99% of the time
[07:53] <intelikey> adamwest i'm a minimalest   i like things that fit on a floppy disk...   twm for example.
[07:53] <mena> jucato, thanks Its Worked
[07:53] <adamwest> jucato? for real? wow :P
[07:54] <intelikey> adamwest i also don't run a gui very often at all.
[07:54] <Jucato> karl: which password are you entering when you enter wlanassistant? have you tried other apps that need the sudo password? like Adept?
[07:54] <adamwest> really? so what do you do in ur comp lol
[07:54] <Jucato> adamwest: for real
[07:54] <Jucato> I'm a Konqi lovah!
[07:54] <dwidmann> khtml is great ... konqueror for most things is great ... konqueror for a web browser is :(
[07:54] <adamwest> :D
[07:54] <Jucato> adamwest: intelikey's definitely not doing computer and 3D graphics
[07:54] <Jucato> hehe
[07:55] <adamwest> lol i guess not
[07:55] <karl> well if i want to enter administrator mode in the systems settings, it tells me my password is wrong as well
[07:55] <adamwest> well now before ill go my way for now is an opinion on best environment. mainly xfce or kde or gnome.
[07:56] <intelikey> adamwest i can listen to music read/write docs   write scripts  watch vidios even graphically browse the internet without ever starting X    although i don't use graphics much.  most of my browsing is "pictureless"
[07:56] <Jucato> adamwest: that question has started many a war :)
[07:56] <dwidmann> you can watch videos without starting x? do tell
[07:56] <intelikey> adamwest the best is the one that likes you most.
[07:56] <adamwest> jucato i know but i want *your* opinions as the ones who helped me through this :)
[07:56] <Jucato> intelikey: where were you when I needed to browse pics on CLI... :(
[07:56] <Jucato> adamwest: like I said. KDE :P
[07:56] <intelikey> Jucato i don't know...
[07:57] <adamwest> lol except that jucato :D i just dont liek this konqueror
[07:57] <intelikey> elinks or links2  both support -g mode
[07:57] <Jucato> adamwest: then don't use it. there's always firefox
[07:57] <Jucato> intelikey: yeah, but I thought links2 -g needed X
[07:57] <adamwest> really kde has plenty of good applications but the file browsing thing is not that good.
[07:58] <Jucato> ??
[07:58] <adamwest> internet? no, always firefox.
[07:58] <intelikey> adamwest you can use firefox opera mozilla or even nautilus in kde.
[07:58] <intelikey> !ff
[07:58] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[07:58] <dwidmann> adamwest, if you don't like konqueror, try dolphin, or something
[07:58] <Jucato> adamwest: what's not so good about Konqi as a file manager?
[07:58] <adamwest> dunno, i only know that nautilus is kinda better
[07:58] <Jucato> adamwest: if you should know, Konqueror is mostly praised for its file management more than its web browsing capabilities (KHTML)
[07:59] <Jucato> adamwest: then you definitely haven't encountered KIO :)
[07:59] <adamwest> kio?
[07:59] <Jucato> adamwest: yes. it's one of KDE's best features, and Konqueror takes full advantage of it
[07:59] <adamwest> what's that
[07:59] <dwidmann> smb:/, file:/, home:/ media:/ settings:/  ....
[07:59] <Jucato> adamwest: basically, it allows you to access almost anything  through a consisten URL/interface
[08:00] <Jucato> adamwest: ftp:/, help:/, man:/, system:/, etc
[08:00] <adamwest> hmm so why i can only see /home and /media when i go to /    ? :\
[08:00] <Jucato> adamwest: for example, what'
[08:00] <Jucato> err
[08:00] <Jucato> adamwest: that's Kubuntu's "customization"
[08:00] <Jucato> default KDE doesn't do that
[08:00] <adamwest> what's a default dke
[08:00] <adamwest> kde
[08:01] <adamwest> is there a way to get the default one?
[08:01] <Jucato> adamwest: for example. with ftp://, ssh:/ and sftp:/, you won't need a separate FTP program
[08:01] <Jucato> adamwest: KDE doesn't make packages for distros. it just provides source code
[08:01] <dwidmann> adamwest: that's only present in Ubuntu Edgy, and it's already removed in Feisty, and wasn't present in Dapper. Wasn't restricted to Kubuntu either ... got the same effect in Ubuntu as well.
[08:01] <intelikey> oooops modem reset.
[08:01] <adamwest> what's feisty, the next release?
[08:01] <Jucato> adamwest: distros, like Kubuntu, take those source codes, compile and package them, then customize them to fit their  requirements
[08:02] <intelikey> adamwest yes.
[08:02] <Jucato> adamwest: yes. Fesity Fawn due on 2007 April
[08:02] <adamwest> so why does gnome show the files but kde won't?
[08:02] <dwidmann> adamwest: yes, but it's definitely not ready yet, I just filed a bug against ubiquity-frontend-kde (the installer) a few minutes ago
[08:02] <karl> is gnome or kde better?
[08:02] <intelikey> !hiden
[08:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hiden - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:02] <intelikey> !hidden
[08:02] <ubotu> Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[08:02] <intelikey> read that adamwest
[08:02] <Jucato> adamwest: again, it's just Kubuntu doing this
[08:03] <dwidmann> karl: asking that question in a kde channel will surely give you skewed results, of course kde is better :)
[08:03] <intelikey> karl no.
[08:03] <karl> do you guys all use kubuntu full time?
[08:03] <Jucato> "better" is subjective. in the end, "better" means what *you* like/want/need
[08:03] <adamwest> well aside from that and the konqueror t dont like so much, jucato, kde launches apps slow :
[08:03] <karl> i'm trying it out, and getting seriously frustrated
[08:03] <adamwest> :-\ no?
[08:03] <intelikey> no i turn my computer off a lot.
[08:03] <Jucato> adamwest: no :)
[08:03] <adamwest> for instance the dvd burner
[08:04] <adamwest> takes hours
[08:04] <karl> i mean as opposed to dual boot windows
[08:04] <dwidmann> when I last saw the windows eula, I clicked "decline"
[08:04] <Jucato> adamwest: and you've compared burning the same size/files in GNOME?
[08:04] <intelikey> i quad boot linux linux linux and linux
[08:04] <adamwest> no, that gnome feature sucks
[08:05] <adamwest> this is mainly why i want kde still. it has great apps.
[08:05] <adamwest> but it takes so long to load D:
[08:05] <dwidmann> intelikey: vmware might help with that
[08:05] <Jucato> adamwest: so how sure are you that that speed isn't normal in DVD  burning?
[08:05] <adamwest> that's why i thought about xfce, jucato.
[08:05] <karl> quad boot different distros?
[08:06] <Jucato> adamwest: you will only know if you try
[08:06] <intelikey> yeah
[08:06] <Jucato> there's a term for that... multi-boot...
[08:06] <karl> for what purpose?
[08:06] <adamwest> jucato: i'm not talking about the dvd burning speed, i was talking about how long it takes to actually load
[08:06] <adamwest> and hangs the whole system D:
[08:06] <Jucato> adamwest: it takes hours?!?!
[08:06] <adamwest> yeah
[08:06] <Jucato> adamwest: that's definitely not normal.
[08:06] <intelikey> no purpose, i'm just an idiot that does thing no one in their right mind would do.
[08:06] <adamwest> k3b takes hours to load
[08:06] <Jucato> and, sorry to say< I'm afraid there's something wrong in your end
[08:07] <intelikey> like install without any partitions
[08:07] <Jucato> k3b loads/starts in seconds
[08:07] <intelikey> mount everything nosudi
[08:07] <Jucato> nosudi?
[08:07] <adamwest> not in here D:
[08:07] <adamwest> takes forever.
[08:07] <adamwest> and the system hangs.
[08:07] <intelikey> remove all login prompts and make init open a console for me.
[08:07] <intelikey> things like that.
[08:07] <aa> hi
[08:07] <Jucato> removing his brain and stuff like that
[08:08] <dwidmann> hmm, k3b, on a cold start, with disks in both drives, starts in about 4 seconds for me ...
[08:08] <adamwest> lol
[08:08] <adamwest> it takes about 45 seconds over here if not more
[08:08] <Jucato> ok.. this is annoying.. I should have been studying hours ago...
[08:08] <Jucato> adamwest: what are your specs?
[08:08] <intelikey> Jucato yes   you knew i was full  nosuid
[08:08] <adamwest> jucato: 512ram 1300ghz
[08:08] <intelikey> oh typo   nosuid
[08:08] <adamwest> *1300mhz
[08:08] <aa> i'm sorry
[08:09] <Jucato> adamwest: hm... I had no problems like that when I had 512MB RAM 1.5Ghz
[08:09] <Jucato> omg?!? 1,300GHz?!?!
[08:09] <dwidmann> adamwest, perhaps you should start k3b from a konsole, perhaps there are errors of some sort happening
[08:09] <Jucato> lol
[08:09] <adamwest> jucato: what? ^_^
[08:09] <adamwest> oh looolol
[08:09] <dwidmann> 1300ghz, I'd do anything for that O.O
[08:09] <adamwest> lol
[08:10] <Jucato> adamwest: basically, to summarize it all... there's something wrong on your end...
[08:10] <adamwest> umm jucato is there a way to reinstall the KDE and remove unneccessary packages and stuff? i dont know if there's a way to fix it all
[08:10] <Jucato> KDE should be running decently with that spec
[08:10] <intelikey> it used to be 64m ram.   i can't really tell that the added 32m helped very much.
[08:10] <shinigami> ok i've installed the drivers for my brothers scanner.. kooka can see my device now, but it says my system does not provide a sane installation??? i already installed sane and xsane
[08:10] <dwidmann> sudo aptitude remove --purge k3b && sudo aptitude install k3b
[08:10] <Jucato> adamwest: "unnecessary" packages and stuff are hard to determine. and has little to do with speed
[08:11] <Jucato> dwidmann: err? sudo aptitude purge
[08:11] <Jucato> shinigami: maybe because it's insane?
[08:11] <adamwest> jucato: i know, i'm used to clean stuff from windows :) but my main question is -- how to cleanly reinstall kde.
[08:11] <dwidmann> Hmmmmmm
[08:11] <Thehound666> question I want to convert my most powerful machine from running VMWare to a dual boot situation. Is there any way to just replace NT file loader in XP with Grub without doing the Kubuntu install?
[08:11] <shinigami> lol
[08:11] <adamwest> oh and remove remains from gnome.
[08:11] <karl> when i boot the livecd, i have all the proper video resolutions, but the installation only has 3 options the max 1024, any idea why?
[08:11] <dwidmann> I've recently converted myself from apt-get, so sue me Jucato!
[08:11] <intelikey> enable all update/security repos and dist-upgrade
[08:11] <Jucato> adamwest: get rid of that windows habit/thinking :P
[08:11] <Thehound666> I want to clone my virtual drive to a real drive
[08:11] <Thehound666> I know how to do that
[08:12] <adamwest> jucato i know i'm working on that ;)
[08:12] <intelikey> adamwest: enable all update/security repos and dist-upgrade
[08:12] <Jucato> dwidmann: you have your lawyer's number?
[08:12] <shinigami> insaneeee
[08:12] <adamwest> intelikey: ... what? :)
[08:12] <Jucato> shinigami: try libsane
[08:12] <dwidmann> Why yes, I do, 1800kissmy$!*
[08:12] <intelikey> to install any bug fixes and security updates adamwest
[08:13] <adamwest> where do i do that intelikey
[08:13] <Thehound666> maybe I'll just do the install and clone the drive over
[08:13] <intelikey> !repos | adamwest
[08:13] <ubotu> adamwest: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:13] <intelikey> that should help you   ^
[08:13] <adamwest> thanks
[08:14] <shinigami> installed already..damnit why is it so hard
[08:14] <shinigami> hehe
[08:14] <adamwest> btw jucato what did u mean by me end not being good or smtng and is it fixable
[08:14] <Jucato> adamwest: huh?
[08:15] <intelikey> i installed drivers for a scanned  but all i could ever get out of sane was no devices found
[08:15] <adamwest> jucato: adamwest: basically, to summarize it all... there's something wrong on your end...
[08:15] <Jucato> adamwest: aaah
[08:15] <adamwest> ^_^
[08:15] <Jucato> I don't know what's wrong, but if you're experiencing a slow system with those specs, then there's something definitely wrong
[08:16] <adamwest> lol inteikey
[08:16] <Jucato> lol
[08:16] <adamwest> btw that link intelikey gives me information about packages... not how to clean gnome and reinstall kde D:
[08:16] <adamwest> lol
[08:17] <intelikey> adamwest it's supposed to tell you how to setup the repos
[08:17] <intelikey> adamwest to enable security updates and bug fixes
[08:17] <adamwest> oh
[08:17] <Jucato> intelikey: depends on what you meant by "user" in that phrase :P
[08:17] <adamwest> but i want to reinstall this and clean gnome remains... not autoupdate :\
[08:17] <intelikey> Jucato lol
[08:18] <intelikey> i think that falls in the #offtopic catagory
[08:18] <Jucato> end user?
[08:18] <Thehound666> so is there any way to simply load grub without Kubuntu in place of NT file loader? would be easiest for me
[08:18] <Jucato> sure... go through the "backdoor"
[08:19] <cyprene> backdoor?
[08:19] <Jucato> nothing
[08:19] <adamwest> hmm isnt the latesl kde ver 4?
[08:20] <Jucato> adamwest: no
[08:20] <Jucato> that's the development/unstable version
[08:20] <adamwest> oh
[08:20] <adamwest> ok then
[08:20] <intelikey> cyprene grub     then root=<partition you can install grub to>      setup
[08:20] <Thehound666> well seems Jucato is the only help in the room. guess I'll have to wait for him
[08:20] <adamwest> btw did any of you read the kubuntu guide? :) i need some erading material.
[08:21] <Jucato> Thehound666: er... depends... if I don't know how to answer the problem... I can't help either
[08:21] <Jucato> adamwest: there's a Kubuntu Desktop Guide in K Menu -> Help :)
[08:22] <Thehound666> well only part I need is to install grub standalone over NT file loader
[08:22] <Thehound666> converting my power machine from Kubuntu in VMWare to dual boot
[08:22] <adamwest> tnx jucato
[08:22] <Thehound666> I can make a image of my current Kubuntu drive
[08:22] <intelikey> see i can't use grub...    grub> root /dev/sda
[08:22] <intelikey> Error 11: Unrecognized device string
[08:23] <Jucato> intelikey: er... sorry... I was wrong about GRUB recognizing /dev
[08:23] <Jucato> intelikey: it only recognizes the hdx,x notation
[08:23] <intelikey> wouldn't matter  i still can't
[08:23] <Jucato> afaik
[08:23] <Jucato> root hd0,0 ?
[08:23] <Jucato> something like that?
[08:23] <intelikey> it wont accept root (hd0)   either
[08:24] <Thehound666> grub should have no problem recognising Kubuntu
[08:24] <Thehound666> it occasionally has an issue with windows
[08:24] <Thehound666> from what I already read
[08:24] <intelikey> it can't be used on my system.
[08:24] <Jucato> intelikey: exact partition? like hd0,0
[08:24] <intelikey> there are no partitions.
[08:24] <Jucato> oh...
[08:24] <intelikey> no partition table
[08:24] <Jucato> :O
[08:25] <intelikey> adn grub freeks on that.
[08:25] <Jucato> there's at least 1 partiion...
[08:25] <intelikey> nope
[08:25] <Jucato> hda1/hd0,0
[08:25] <intelikey> none
[08:25] <Jucato> mabye grub sees it that way
[08:25] <intelikey> sees what ?
[08:26] <Jucato> the drive
[08:26] <intelikey> nope.
[08:26] <Hoxxin> what does it mean when 6.10 has limited support and 6.06 longer support? is it still gonna be updates for 6.10 after?
[08:27] <Jucato> Hoxxin: it just means that 6.10 has a regular lifetime of 18 months. while 6.06 has a lifetime of 3-5 years
[08:27] <Hoxxin> so it'll be way better to install 6.06?
[08:27] <Jucato> Hoxxin: lifetime, in this sense, means the release will be getting security updates and bug fixes
[08:27] <Jucato> Hoxxin: it depends on what you're aiming for
[08:28] <intelikey> tty4 [greg@~]  mount | grep ' / '
[08:28] <intelikey>  /dev/sda on / type ext2 (rw,nosuid,nogrpid)
[08:28] <Hoxxin> Jucato im gonna use it at home for surfing and not much more :)
[08:28] <Jucato> Hoxxin: support/updates doesn't necessarily mean it will get new vresions of apps
[08:28] <intelikey> tty24 [root@~]  grub-install /dev/sda
[08:28] <intelikey> Unknown partition table signature
[08:28] <intelikey> ^ repetes for a screen full
[08:29] <Jucato> Hoxxin: 6.06 may have a longer lifetime for receiving fixes, but it will not always have the latest stable versions
[08:29] <Hoxxin> Jucato: ok tnx maybe ill go with the 6.10 then
[08:29] <intelikey> should have the "more stable version" though
[08:30] <intelikey> !latest
[08:30] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[08:30] <Jucato> intelikey: in some cases, yes, ins some cases, no
[08:30] <Thehound666> this web page recommends GAG if you don't want to take any chances with GRUB
[08:30] <Thehound666> how good is GAG
[08:30] <Thehound666> in your opinion
[08:30] <Jucato> depends on how much of the bug fixes that are put into the newer versions get added to the older versions
[08:30] <Jucato> (that was for intelikey)
[08:30] <Hoxxin> Jucato : gees now i have a hard time deciding
[08:31] <intelikey> yeah  and they all should... doesn't mean they will...
[08:31] <Jucato> my point exactly... older doesn't always mean more stable... it depends
[08:32] <intelikey> i did say "should"
[08:33] <Jucato> I did say "my point exactly"
[08:33] <intelikey> but at any rate lilo has no problem booting this system.
[08:34] <intelikey> also not only can grub not install it can't even boot it from a floppy or grub CD
[08:34] <adamwest> ok my system was already updated :\ but i have no idea how to reinstall KDE entirely D:
[08:34] <Hoxxin> hehe nice nick
[08:35] <Jucato> adamwest: http://www.adamwest.com/
[08:35] <adamwest> who, me hoxxin?
[08:35] <intelikey> remove gamin     install kde   or kubuntu-desktop
[08:35] <adamwest> i know ^_^
[08:35] <fek> moin
[08:35] <Hoxxin> adamwest u ye :)
[08:35] <Thehound666> I see why they said get GAG, it can install from a bootable CD if grub don't like you
[08:35] <adamwest> tnx intelikey
[08:36] <intelikey> like this     sudo apt-get remove --purge gamin && sudo apt-get install kde              replace kde with kubuntu-desktop if that's what you prefer.  they have different package deps
[08:36] <adamwest> yeah ill do that, tnx
[08:37] <adamwest> that will reset the kde to it's default settings like toolbars and such, right?
[08:37] <intelikey> if you are wanting to remove gnome   i think gconf  can do that.
[08:37] <Thehound666> running Kubuntu native will be insane on this PC
[08:37] <intelikey> adamwest no
[08:37] <Thehound666> AMD Athlon FX-62
[08:37] <Kamesh> Hi all, any one knows why Firefox and Thunderbird is not packed with the default live cd ?? Thanks in advance
[08:37] <intelikey> adamwest those changes are in your home dir
[08:38] <adamwest> intelikey so how can i actually reinstall this kde :D
[08:38] <intelikey> adamwest apt wont tuch that.  you can  rm -fr ~/.kde  for that.
[08:38] <intelikey> but not with kde running
[08:38] <Thehound666> because some people may not want them and they are easy to install?
[08:38] <Thehound666> my best guess
[08:38] <Thehound666> besides firefox updates alot lately
[08:39] <Thehound666> faster than Kubuntu
[08:39] <intelikey> Kamesh cause ff is not part of kubuntu  it's part of ubuntu
[08:39] <Jucato> Kamesh: because the Kubuntu devs wanted a full/primary KDE experience
[08:40] <Thehound666> well I was half right
[08:40] <Jucato> they're going to replace OO.o with KOffice soon also
[08:40] <Thehound666> with because some people may not want them
[08:40] <adamwest> well ill go away now.. thanks for all the help guys :) intelikey, jucato.
[08:40] <Thehound666> is KOffice any good?
[08:40] <intelikey> adamwest go away now.
[08:40] <Thehound666> was starting to like OO
[08:40] <Jucato> Thehound666: firefox updates a lot, but the updates don't go into ubuntu as fast as users want...
[08:40] <intelikey> :)
[08:40] <Kamesh> Thanks a lot for all your comments.
[08:40] <Jucato> Thehound666: lighter than OO.o definitely
[08:41] <adamwest> bye now
[08:41] <karl> is there an alternative to using wireless assistant?
[08:41] <karl> to connect to my wireless network?
[08:43] <mcrandello> karl: several, wifi-radar, kwifimanager swscanner (I think) and good old fashioned sudo iwconfig ath0 essid FOO &&  sudo dhclient
[08:44] <karl> thanks, i JUST managed to get connected, after trying differnt settings for about 20 mins...
[08:45] <Kamesh> Jucato: but I believe the default browser for Kubuntu is konqueror which cannot even render gmail properly and may other websites. Or is it the problem of the gmail :-)
[08:45] <Jucato> it's basically Google's
[08:45] <mcrandello> wait what's not working with gmail?
[08:45] <Jucato> but you can use Gmail in Konqueror
[08:45] <Jucato> properly
[08:45] <intelikey> Kamesh gmail is not propper
[08:46] <intelikey> that's not a konq error.   that's bad html
[08:47] <Jucato> Kamesh: set your browser identification to Firefox 1.5.0.4 for google.com
[08:47] <mcrandello> no seriously I don't see anything wrong with gmail at all ?:(
[08:47] <indra> hello there
[08:47] <Kamesh> Jucato: is it. I checked on the latest release of kubuntu about a month back and I guess it did not work then
[08:47] <mortici> how do i get firefox to notice kmail as default e-mail app?
[08:47] <Kamesh> May be I am wrong. I will check it once again
[08:48] <Jucato> Kamesh: trust me. I've been doing that since Dapper
[08:48] <indra> i have a problem with konqueror
[08:48] <indra> i can't access any website
[08:48] <Kamesh> Thanks Jucato. I will check it out
[08:48] <indra> anyone know?
[08:48] <indra> please
[08:49] <intelikey> !networking
[08:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about networking - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:49] <intelikey> !network
[08:49] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:49] <intelikey> nothing useful there
[08:49] <indra> do you have more useful idea, intelikey
[08:50] <Skrot-> indra: Do you get a error message in konqueror?
[08:51] <Kamesh> indra: You you have internet connection :-). Did you check in firefox ?
[08:51] <indra> yea....for example:
[08:51] <indra> An error occurred while loading http://www.google.com:
[08:51] <indra> Timeout on server
[08:51] <indra>  Connection was to www.google.com at port 80
[08:52] <indra> i think the problem with proxy
[08:52] <Skrot-> indra: Try http://209.85.129.147/
[08:52] <Thehound666> 1 more concern. Does Kubuntu support a usb DVD-RW drive?
[08:53] <Skrot-> Thehound666: It uesed to work with my Firewire DVD-RW, so I guess it supports USB as well :>
[08:53] <indra> ok..
[08:53] <Thehound666> nice
[08:53] <Skrot-> indra: Its google.com's IP. If you can access that but not google.com its probably DNS problems
[08:54] <dwidmann> Gah, this is really frustrating :(
[08:54] <indra> same error message
[08:54] <indra> An error occurred while loading http://209.85.129.147/:
[08:54] <indra> Timeout on server
[08:54] <indra>  Connection was to 209.85.129.147 at port 80
[08:54] <Skrot-> indra: Try "ping 209.85.129.147" in konsole
[08:55] <indra> ok..please wait
[08:56] <indra> ping 209.85.129.147
[08:56] <indra> --- 209.85.129.147 ping statistics ---
[08:56] <indra> 73 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 71988ms
[08:56] <jordo23> Jucato: Hey Jucato!
[08:56] <Jucato> hi jordo23
[08:56] <Skrot-> indra: is it the same computer you're using konversation on?
[08:57] <indra> yes
[08:57] <indra> that's it
[08:57] <Skrot-> weird..
[08:57] <notech> indra: what about other sites?
[08:59] <indra> other site...same error message...
[08:59] <indra> oh bad..
[08:59] <Skrot-> Does it work in firefox?
[09:00] <indra> i don't have firefox installer
[09:00] <indra> i can't download it
[09:00] <Skrot-> indra: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox doesn't work?
[09:01] <indra> Reading package lists... Done
[09:01] <indra> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:01] <indra> Package mozilla-firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:01] <indra> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:01] <indra> is only available from another source
[09:01] <indra> E: Package mozilla-firefox has no installation candidate
[09:01] <indra> i think it is on the cd?
[09:02] <cyprene> Anybody in here know anything about unix system calls, or is that a little too obscure?
[09:02] <indra> but the cd had been borrowed by my friend
[09:02] <intelikey> ubuntu cd yes kubuntu cd no
[09:03] <intelikey> cyprene  C  ?      C++ ?
[09:03] <cyprene> C
[09:03] <indra> no ubuntu cd here....sorry
[09:03] <notech> indra: can you ping 82.96.64.4
[09:04] <cyprene> I understand that this may be well outside of the support that this channel offers, but since I had it open I figured I may as well ask, lol
[09:04] <intelikey>  /j ##C
[09:04] <indra> skrot..i will try it...do u know how to disable the automatic add 'http://' in konqueror?
[09:04] <cyprene> Aah, ok
[09:06] <cyprene> Thanks. :)
[09:06] <intelikey> np
[09:07] <tanlaan> hey everyone
[09:08] <intelikey> hay
[09:08] <ForgeAus> heeh thats what horses eat! :)
[09:08] <indra> hey..
[09:08] <tanlaan> ive been having a problem with my wifi card on my laptop, apparently it doesnt like the wifi channels 6 and 11. Does anyone know any possible reason why this may occur? *yes my card works on other channels*
[09:08] <indra> still waiting for ping...
[09:09] <ForgeAus> tanlaan I'm not sure but I had a similar problem
[09:09] <esc> indra: are you trying to install firefox?
[09:09] <ForgeAus> I had a laptop that wouldn't find my wireless router on its default channel but when I changed it voila.. it just magically appeared!
[09:09] <intelikey> !wifi
[09:09] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:09] <esc> sudo apt-get install firefox
[09:09] <notech> that's instresting, that was freenode's ip address
[09:09] <tanlaan> oo btw, im using a wifi card with bcm43xx firmware *not very lucky in the case of linux*
[09:10] <ForgeAus> are you sure freenode only has one?
[09:10] <indra> esc--no...i am trying pinging 82.96.64.4
[09:10] <tanlaan> so i guess im actually lucky that it works at all :D
[09:10] <tanlaan> haha
[09:10] <esc> why?
[09:10] <mervteck> hey guys
[09:10] <intelikey> hay
[09:10] <notech> esc: indra has no connection issues and no cd with him
[09:10] <ForgeAus> wouldn't swiftfox be better t han firefox/
[09:10] <ForgeAus> ?
[09:10] <mervteck> oi why am i so damn noob to linux >.<
[09:11] <tanlaan> mervteck: cause everyone has to be a noob at some point?
[09:11] <mervteck> true, just wish i could get win installed but i dunno how >.<
[09:11] <indra> that's it notech..but i am using the same computer with this konversation
[09:11] <esc> well, swiftfox is not quite opensource
[09:11] <intelikey> or they will be a noob at every point
[09:11] <ForgeAus> the trick is to den00bify yourself I guess :)
[09:11] <tanlaan> haha] 
[09:12] <ForgeAus> esc its not the source I'm interested in :) (kidding)
[09:12] <notech> esc: to catch you up, is here with konversation but can ping no addresses by ip and no konquorer working it errors with timeout
[09:12] <mervteck> lols well the person teaching me more about linux crashed for the nite so im all noob right now trying to install wine and its failing horribly
[09:12] <tanlaan> yea that might not be a great thing to try and do by yourself then :P
[09:12] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install wine
[09:12] <mervteck> XD yeah that and i need to install my nvidia drivers but lucky for me i know how to do those =D
[09:13] <intelikey> !wine
[09:13] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[09:13] <esc> sudo apt-get install wine
[09:13] <esc> yeah..what intelikely said
[09:13] <mervteck> wewts i love u guys ^^
[09:13] <indra> freezing...
[09:13] <indra> no output but still pinging...
[09:13] <mervteck> Building dependency tree
[09:13] <mervteck> Reading state information... Done
[09:13] <mervteck> Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:13] <mervteck> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:13] <mervteck> is only available from another source
[09:13] <mervteck> E: Package wine has no installation candidate
[09:13] <indra> ?
[09:13] <notech> indra: you can cancel the ping
[09:14] <intelikey> !info wine
[09:14] <mervteck> thats what i got putting that in to konsole
[09:14] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.22-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 9001 kB, installed size 42452 kB
[09:14] <indra> how?
[09:14] <intelikey> in universe.
[09:14] <indra> newbie in linux
[09:14] <intelikey> enable the universe repo
[09:14] <mervteck> XD
[09:14] <notech> indra: ctrl+c will work
[09:14] <intelikey> !repos
[09:14] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:14] <indra> Reading package lists... Done
[09:14] <indra> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:14] <indra> Package mozilla-firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:14] <indra> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:14] <indra> is only available from another source
[09:14] <indra> E: Package mozilla-firefox has no installation candidate
[09:14] <indra> sorry
[09:14] <mervteck> anyone got any other ideas on how to get it installed cuz... well it failed XD
[09:14] <intelikey> !paste | indra
[09:14] <ubotu> indra: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:14] <indra> Reading package lists... Done
[09:14] <indra> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:14] <indra> Package mozilla-firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:14] <indra> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:14] <indra> is only available from another source
[09:14] <indra> E: Package mozilla-firefox has no installation candidate
[09:14] <indra> --- 82.96.64.4 ping statistics ---
[09:14] <indra> 592 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 590912ms
[09:15] <tanlaan> omg indra
[09:15] <tanlaan> indra: use www.pastebin.ca
[09:15] <esc> "mozilla-firefox" is not the name of the package
[09:15] <indra> sorry
[09:15] <esc> it's just firefox
[09:15] <tanlaan> indra: :D
[09:15] <intelikey> don't be sorry,  just don't do it again.
[09:15] <dane> http://www.pastebin.ca/324408
[09:15] <indra> ctrl+v didn't work
[09:15] <tanlaan> indra: that paste in just kinda scared me haha
[09:15] <indra> i forget this is not windows
[09:16] <dane> www.pastebin.ca/324408
[09:16] <dane> i nkow
[09:16] <notech> that's bizarre being connected to freenode but timeout on pinging freenode
[09:16] <dane> i'm lost without familiarity
[09:16] <indra> ^^
[09:16] <dane> it's nice
[09:16] <dane> a change in history, almost
[09:16] <mervteck> grrs i need my wineeeee ( i swear im not drunk )
[09:16] <dane> :)
[09:16] <dane> sec let me goto the repository
[09:16] <dane> still got me?
[09:16] <tanlaan> mervteck: why do you need it so bad?
[09:17] <intelikey> winey ?
[09:17] <dane> me not wine
[09:17] <mervteck> tanlaan: im gonna run CS ^^
[09:17] <dane> :)
[09:17] <indra> not work with name 'firefox'
[09:17] <tanlaan> mervteck: lol
[09:17] <mervteck> also wann try running bf2142
[09:18] <dane> ok so here's the problem
[09:18] <tanlaan> mervteck: have any idea what the minimum specs for use of CS on linux through wine is? *just curious*
[09:18] <intelikey> did you enable the repos  "universe" ?
[09:18] <dane> i'm running on x64 bit architechture
[09:18] <dane> the os is 64 bit
[09:18] <dane> hardly any software, including wine (i think, last I checked) doesn't work
[09:18] <intelikey> !repos > mervteck
[09:18] <indra> esc--how are u..? hehe...
[09:18] <dane> nothing is simply written for it yet
[09:18] <mervteck> from what ive heard pretty high but im running an amd athlon fx 5000 dual core and 6 gb of ram so i figure im ok ^^
[09:19] <dane> nice
[09:19] <dane> ok
[09:19] <dane> so lets try some repos
[09:19] <esc> indra: im ok. whats up
[09:19] <mervteck> so i figure ive got the power to run it XD
[09:19] <tanlaan> mervteck: . . . why so much horse power for such a small car? :P
[09:19] <mervteck> XD usually on windows but wanna switch to linux
[09:20] <indra> how about my konqueror? hehe
[09:20] <tanlaan> mervteck: ahh
[09:20] <tanlaan> mervteck: lol, still i cant think of any linux app that would have you pushing anywhere near the limit of your specs :P
[09:20] <mervteck> XD
[09:20] <dane> heard some whistling
[09:21] <intelikey> gimp ?
[09:21] <Skrot-> mervteck: 6GB!?
[09:21] <ind> esc---skrot---how about my konqueror? hehe
[09:21] <intelikey> i think gimp could load 6g
[09:21] <esc> huh?
[09:21] <Influx> UGH
[09:21] <Skrot-> ind: I don't think konqueror is the problem..
[09:22] <Skrot-> ind: Seeing how you cannot ping google.com
[09:22] <mervteck> yeah lol 6gb of ram ftw i have another 2 i could put in but thats in my server tower atm XD
[09:22] <mervteck> oh and its all ddr3 =)
[09:22] <Jucato> ind: you can connect to IRC, but can't browse?
[09:22] <Skrot-> yes
[09:22] <esc> sounds like a DNS problem, no?
[09:22] <ind> yea..maybe...i think because of proxy
[09:22] <Jucato> yes
[09:22] <Jucato> sounds like a DNS problem
[09:22] <ind> yes jucato
[09:22] <Skrot-> agreed, but he cannot access google by ip either
[09:22] <notech> can't ping by ip either
[09:23] <Jucato> try changing your nameserver
[09:23] <Jucato> in /etc/resolv.conf
[09:23] <notech> ind: can you ping your own router?
[09:23] <intelikey> sounds more like ipv6 over router that doesn't support it maybe
[09:23] <esc> yeah, I'd guess the problem lays in resolv.conf
[09:23] <esc> hmm
[09:23] <tanlaan> hmm, *off topic* what do you think the smallest amount of sleep you could get each night, and still be functional and able to learn new things? lol
[09:23] <esc> perhaps
[09:23] <JaydeInflux> UGH
[09:24] <JaydeInflux> I NEED MUSIC
[09:24] <JaydeInflux> this silence is killing me
[09:24] <intelikey> tanlaan 12 hours
[09:24] <Skrot-> tanlaan: You should get 8 hours of sleep each night. ;)
[09:24] <Skrot-> 12 hours for children
[09:24] <esc> im fine on 5 hours
[09:24] <JaydeInflux> what about me?
[09:24] <intelikey> second childhood    meh
[09:24] <esc> im 27 tho
[09:24] <JaydeInflux> should I worry about this?
[09:24] <JaydeInflux> or just chill
[09:24] <Jucato> JaydeInflux: what seems to be the problem?
[09:24] <JaydeInflux> i'm not tired
[09:24] <JaydeInflux> LOL
[09:25] <ind> i am on a campus..i don't know the ip
[09:25] <notech> tanlaan: depends on the duration. 2 or 3 for a few nights i can do
[09:25] <tanlaan> hmm well i think i should get to bed so i can wake up early
[09:25] <tanlaan> and only be on 4 hours of sleep
[09:25] <esc> coffee is good, by the way
[09:25] <Skrot-> ind: Wlan or ethernet?
[09:25] <mervteck> yes coffiee is my friend
[09:25] <tanlaan> yea
[09:25] <esc> I am a coffee fiend
[09:25] <Skrot-> Wlan is more likely to screw you over :P
[09:25] <tanlaan> thats what im gonna make when i wake up
[09:25] <mervteck> ive got around... 10 cups in me or so
[09:26] <ind> ethernet
[09:26] <esc> whoa...10 cups?
[09:26] <mervteck> yeah over 2 days strate and im still goin
[09:26] <tanlaan> oo ive got something nice for all of you :D
[09:26] <esc> im about 3 a day
[09:26] <intelikey> mervteck is it still early for you ?
[09:26] <esc> 2 in the morning one in the late afternoon
[09:26] <mervteck> oh yeah.. its 12 atm but it feals like 6am
[09:27] <tanlaan> http://youtube.com/watch?v=f3zvN1-Gits&mode=related&search=
[09:27] <intelikey> ecs i don't do java  but me ole man used to drink about 3 pots of coffee a day
[09:28] <tanlaan> you all should love that :D
[09:28] <intelikey> some times four or five.  but three was avarage
[09:28] <esc> sounds like my kind of man
[09:28] <esc> why arent you into coffee?
[09:28] <ind> esc---so, what must be fixed in resolv.conf?
[09:28] <intelikey> yuch
[09:28] <esc> its an aquired taste, for sure
[09:28] <esc> like beer
[09:28] <Skrot-> tanlaan: lol. Somebody uploaded hackers to youtube in 11 pieces?!
[09:29] <intelikey> yuch again
[09:29] <esc> ah beer is so good
[09:29] <Skrot-> mmm
[09:29] <tanlaan> Skrot: yup lol
[09:29] <tanlaan> Skrot- i thought all of you would like it :D
[09:29] <tanlaan> anyways
[09:29] <intelikey> i used to drink a little but not beer,  never liked it.
[09:29] <tanlaan> im off to bed soon
[09:29] <Skrot-> who the hell wants to watch an entire movie on youtube in crappy flash quality?
[09:29] <esc> people who dont know about torrents
[09:30] <Skrot-> If you want to watch hackers you probably know about torrents :p
[09:30] <tanlaan> !repos
[09:30] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:30] <esc> hack the gibson
[09:30] <intelikey> hackers ?
[09:30] <Skrot-> I love movie OSes
[09:30] <tanlaan> hack the planet!
[09:30] <tanlaan> Skrot-: omg i want one!
[09:31] <tanlaan> btw if you want to know what they look like, check out...i believe part 10
[09:31] <tanlaan> haha
[09:31] <tanlaan> maybe part 9
[09:31] <premier_> hello
[09:31] <intelikey> what's hackers ?
[09:31] <Skrot-> I love the gibson firewall
[09:31] <tanlaan> bah i need sleep, night all
[09:31] <tanlaan> intelikey: its a movie
[09:31] <Skrot-> intelikey: A movie about hacking (fiction)
[09:31] <premier_> Linux just crashed for me...  I needed to reboot
[09:31] <Skrot-> Or rather cracking
 Linux just crashed for me...  I needed to reboot <<<<  ?
[09:32] <ind> esc-skrot--I have no problem with ie in windows....but problem in konqueror...
[09:32] <Skrot-> ind: Im out of ideas :(
[09:32] <premier_> I was transfering a big (1.4gig) movie file to an exteranal hard drive, and I right clicked on the icon for my external hard drive, and everything stopped, even the music
[09:32] <intelikey> premier_ what will a reboot help ?
[09:33] <premier_> I could still move the mouse, but nothing responded
[09:33] <premier_> I dont know, what should I do in the future if that happens?
[09:33] <intelikey> kill what's hanging it ?
[09:33] <ind> ok..thanx for all
[09:34] <esc> killall
[09:34] <intelikey> ctrl+alt+backspace
[09:34] <premier_> ctrl+alt backspace didnt respond
[09:35] <intelikey> alt+SysRQ+E   ?
[09:35] <Skrot-> what does that one do?
[09:35] <intelikey> emergancy killall5
[09:36] <intelikey> well maybe not exactly killall5 but close
[09:37] <intelikey> premier muct have gotten something out of that one.
[09:37] <intelikey> must even
[09:38] <mervteck> can anyone help me in pm getting wine?
[09:38] <mervteck> sudo apt-get install wine didnt work
[09:38] <Skrot-> What was the error?
[09:38] <intelikey> mervteck i told you enable the universe repo
[09:39] <mervteck> oh u did? well how i do that lol
[09:39] <intelikey> mervteck if you don't know how and reading the link that !repos spit at you just say that.
[09:39] <intelikey> !repos
[09:39] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:39] <mervteck> oi i did that already iut didnt work =\
[09:40] <mervteck> oi wate
[09:40] <mervteck> i missed a vital step >.<
[09:40] <intelikey> mervteck did you "apply" the changes    or sudo apt-get update    after you made the changes ?
[09:41] <mervteck> i applied the changes
[09:41] <premier_> it just did it again.  Looks like a super corrupt movie file
[09:41] <mervteck> http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt this is what winehq told me to add
[09:42] <premier_> yeah, what was alt+sysR
[09:42] <intelikey> mervteck yeah.  but that's not what i mentioned.    use the one you want to use.
[09:42] <premier_> alt+sysRQ+E supposed to do?
[09:42] <intelikey> premier_ killall5
[09:42] <premier_> okay
[09:42] <dwidmann> Yay!
[09:43] <premier_> intelikey: what is that?
[09:43] <ForgeAus> how do I get Xnest (or xserver-xephyr) working with kubuntu?
[09:43] <ForgeAus> it tries to load another active display while one is running
[09:43] <ForgeAus> wait no I think I said that wrong
[09:44] <ForgeAus> tries to load another active xserver while theres already one active
[09:44] <ForgeAus> (for display 0)
[09:44] <dwidmann> df /media/storage: /dev/mapper/storage-media - used: 528 / 634257408 - hooray for lvm
[09:44] <intelikey> premier_  should set the machine back to the bare kernel+init  and you can login and do   init 3          if it works correctly....
[09:45] <premier_> oh
[09:45] <intelikey> sudo init 3
[09:45] <ind> esc--when i tried to type the proxy without http:// , it will be added automatically by konqueror...do u know how to disable it?
[09:45] <premier_> well, maybe that explains it, because my console windows dont work because I have a faulty graphics driver (ati blah blah blah) so I kept on getting "colorful" screens
[09:46] <intelikey> premier_ you can fix that with vga= on the boot line
[09:47] <premier_> vga= what?
[09:47] <premier_> or just that?
[09:47] <intelikey> add  'vga=0x0f05 quiet silent'       and remove  'splash'
[09:47] <premier_> okay
[09:48] <intelikey> or vga=ask
[09:48] <intelikey> or vga=normal
[09:48] <intelikey> any of the three
[09:48] <premier_> will that change my "kubuntu" logo on bootup?
[09:48] <intelikey> up to the point that xorg starts.  yes.
[09:48] <premier_> okay
[09:49] <intelikey> you loose the splash screen
[09:49] <Skrot-> btw, will feisty support splash-images in higher res/more colors etc?
[09:49] <intelikey> plain text startup
[09:49] <_4strO> yop
[09:49] <intelikey> but if frame buffering is hosed that's worth nothing.
[09:50] <premier_> intelikey: sometimes linux will hang on boot for me. Will this fix it?
[09:50] <intelikey> premier_ probably not.   but it is possable
[09:50] <premier_> hmmm...
[09:51] <premier_> intelikey: do you know what could be causing that?  Ive had some trouble with acpi
[09:51] <intelikey> you can delete the 'quiet silent' from the kernel line and it might clue you in as to why its hanging
[09:51] <premier_> okay
[09:51] <esc> I always boot in text
[09:51] <intelikey> key word "might"
[09:51] <esc> always good thing to do. not sure why ubuntu wants to hide that from users
[09:51] <intelikey> esc me too
[09:52] <Skrot-> esc: Beacause most user don't have a clue about what all that text means
[09:52] <intelikey> esc they want to be a M$'ish as they can i guess
[09:52] <esc> intelikely: good thing we can change that
[09:52] <intelikey> s/ a / as /
[09:52] <dwidmann> because they are afraid they might scare new users if they let cryptic text scroll by
[09:53] <premier_> > /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/sda3 ro vga=normal noapic nolapic  < is that good?
[09:53] <intelikey> dwidmann that's kinda what i said
[09:53] <esc> vga=771 by the way makes the text more readable...
[09:53] <Skrot-> ofcourse.. hiding the text is a good thing, as long as it's possible to get the text back if you need it
[09:53] <dwidmann> Indeed, I just rephrased it
[09:53] <intelikey> premier_ looks good to me
[09:53] <dwidmann> skrot, it's in one of the /var/logs, I think, I forget which one
[09:53] <premier_> thanks
[09:54] <intelikey> dmesg
[09:54] <esc> I dont even have usplash installed
[09:54] <esc> which helps even more
[09:54] <dwidmann> usplash looks horrible in 64-bit kubuntu :(
[09:54] <dwidmann> I turn usplash off as an act of mercy on my eyes
[09:55] <premier_> dwidmann: How do you like 64-bit otherwise?  Im gonna build my own computer this summer
[09:55] <esc> do you guys use kdm?
[09:55] <Skrot-> I do
[09:55] <dwidmann> I like it fine
[09:55] <intelikey> esc !i
[09:55] <dwidmann> esc: yes
[09:56] <intelikey> esc imo kdm is evil
[09:56] <Skrot-> Don't like the default kubuntu edgy KDM theme though
[09:56] <esc> no kdm for me
[09:56] <esc> just straight into console + startx
[09:56] <premier_> whats wrong with kdm?
[09:56] <esc> im a nerd like that
[09:56] <Skrot-> the linux world can be divided into two; those who like eyecandy and those who like mindcandy :P
[09:56] <intelikey> xdm or gdm    but no kdm.
[09:56] <dwidmann> I have a variety of sessions set up ... I need some sort of dm ...
[09:57] <esc> yeah I like to see all the cool text
[09:57] <Skrot-> Doesn't usplash have a key to disable graphical boot and return to text?
[09:57] <intelikey> Skrot- lol   never heard it put that way before
[09:57] <franx> hi there folks
[09:57] <esc> Skrot: no idea
[09:57] <franx> sorry to bother everyone, but i have a firefox and kubuntu questions.
[09:57] <esc> whats up franx
[09:58] <franx> or question as the case is
[09:58] <franx> hi esx
[09:58] <franx> esc
[09:58] <franx> sorry
[09:58] <dwidmann> Please don't divide me :s
[09:58] <esc> ^
[09:58] <Skrot-> It was more of a joke really, I too like them both ;)
[09:58] <intelikey> you are already devided dwidmann
[09:58] <esc> so whats up franx
[09:58] <franx> i want to click on a .torrent file and it come up with open with azureus. at the moment it doesnt come up with it dispite me associating it in kde
[09:58] <franx> anyone?
[09:58] <franx> sorry
[09:58] <franx> in firefox
[09:59] <esc> you probably should associate in firefox as well
[09:59] <franx> yes i know
[09:59] <franx> i cant figure out a way to do that
[09:59] <franx> has anyone successfully done that and can talk me through it?
[09:59] <esc> yeah
[09:59] <franx> firefox 2.0 i think is the standard in edgy
[09:59] <esc> I dont have firefox installed, tho...so off the top of my head
[09:59] <franx> k
[09:59] <esc> um
[09:59] <mervteck> gahhh E: Package wine has no installation candidate >.< and ive done everything from that link
[10:00] <esc> do you see the option to "ask where to download"?
[10:00] <esc> uncheck that
[10:00] <franx> k
[10:00] <esc> and then download a torrent
[10:00] <esc> and a prompt should come up
[10:00] <dwidmann> mervteck: easiest way to get it is to just direct download it from wine.budgetdedicated.com
[10:00] <intelikey> mervteck do one more thing.    sudo apt-get update       in konsole and see if it errors out
[10:00] <esc> and then select ktorrent & check "always use"
[10:00] <intelikey> dwidmann it's in the universe repo
[10:01] <franx> i dont think there is a always use check
[10:01] <esc> yeah there is
[10:01] <dwidmann> intelikey, sure, probably an outdated version though
[10:01] <mervteck> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[10:01] <mervteck> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[10:01] <intelikey> yes of course.  maybe a month or more old......
[10:01] <mervteck> i guess it did >.<
[10:01] <franx> ahh ye i see it
[10:02] <franx> i still want it to give me the option tho
[10:02] <esc> I kind of miss firefox...I tried to use konq 100% but its not as functional as firefox...but I do like the speeds of konq
[10:02] <franx> not auto open azureus
[10:02] <esc> then dont check it
[10:02] <dwidmann> wine.budgetdedicated.com = practically hot off the keyboard
[10:02] <Jucato> not as functional?
[10:02] <intelikey> mervteck there's your error.   it's in the /etc/apt/sources.list  file
[10:03] <esc> Jucato: yeah there's a couple odd things I like to do that konq just cant do
[10:03] <esc> or at least as far as I know
[10:03] <mervteck> so what would i change in the sources.list file or should i not touch it >.<
[10:03] <Jucato> esc: example?
[10:03] <vinboy_> how do I check if any package is depending on <abc package> before I remove it?
[10:03] <dennis> hallo! ich mchte aus einem cronjob heraus ein php skript aufrufen, finde aber nirgendwo die bin von php. habe jetzt auch php5-cgi installiert, wenn ich das aufrufe kann ich keine mysql funktionen nutzen. kann mir da jemand helfen?
[10:03] <intelikey> esc does   #bash    or   !bash  work in ff ?
[10:03] <Skrot-> !de
[10:03] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:03] <intelikey> or trash:/
[10:04] <Skrot-> Screw Sonnet, they could just use me
[10:04] <intelikey> or media:/  for that matter
[10:04] <Jucato> vinboy_: you will be asked when you try to remove something that others depend on
[10:04] <vinboy_> ic
[10:04] <vinboy_> thanks
[10:05] <esc> Jucato: forge referral info, home button takes you to files rather than homepage, cant move the close tab button or move the open new tab button elsewhere
[10:05] <esc> lots of things like that
[10:05] <franx> ahh cool thanks esc
[10:05] <franx> =] 
[10:05] <intelikey> vinboy_ sudo apt-get remove <abc>   if nothing is depending on it it should remove else it should list the deps and ask for permission to remove them all
[10:05] <Jucato> esc: ah, you're right then :)
[10:05] <dwidmann> esc: for all things konq can't do, there's always window -> show terminal emulator
[10:05] <franx> beryl == krad
[10:05] <esc> yeah, im trying to get used to konq...
[10:05] <mervteck> guys whats an X server? cuz im trying to install my nvidia drivers
[10:05] <vinboy_> ok thanks intelikey
[10:06] <esc> I might just go back to firefox...
[10:06] <franx> esc what do you use?
[10:06] <esc> but firefox is so slow loading
[10:06] <esc> konqueror
[10:06] <franx> tru
[10:06] <franx> beryl also
[10:06] <franx> ?
[10:06] <franx> cos its krad
[10:06] <max__> hi guys
[10:06] <Skrot-> beryl = crap, wait for kde 4 :P
[10:06] <dwidmann> hi max__
[10:06] <franx> plus its got the name that you associate with mingin chix
[10:06] <Jucato> Skrot-: you mean krap, don't you? :P
[10:07] <Skrot-> sure, krap :p
[10:07] <max__> happy to use kubuntu...i left windows...and mac os
[10:07] <max__> XD
[10:07] <esc> anyone know a way to preload firefox like konq is preloaded?
[10:07] <dwidmann> nay, beryl isn't worthy of the k :P
[10:07] <dennis> hi! i installed php5 but cannot find a php5 or php binary for use in a cron job. then i installed php5-cgi but there i cannot use mysql functions. can anyone help me plz?
[10:07] <franx> it runs a bit slow on this 1.4/64geforce2 tho
[10:07] <intelikey> esc can put the close tab button on each tab   set your home page to file://home/username   and what else did you say ???
[10:07] <mervteck> are there reskins of kde i can dl and install like there are custom themes for XP?
[10:07] <franx> mervteck: beryl
[10:07] <franx> hhaha
[10:07] <franx> =P
[10:07] <mervteck> XD
[10:08] <mervteck> hey franx whats an X server?
[10:08] <dwidmann> mervteck: http://www.kde-look.org
[10:08] <max__> i use a 56k, ho could i download the italian package for kubunut
[10:08] <max__> ?
[10:08] <franx> i really want to stream tv so i can watch it at work
[10:08] <esc> intelikely: I mean, I want the home page to open up a webpage in konq-browser and then home button to open up /home/esc in konq-file
[10:08] <mervteck> oo ty dwidmann
[10:08] <Skrot-> esc: Konq has some issues with the whole split personality indeed
[10:09] <mervteck> lol is there an XP look for KDE? XD
[10:09] <esc> I hope not
[10:09] <mervteck> i wanna fuck with my dad when he trys to get on my computer next time lol
[10:09] <Skrot-> Ofcourse there is ;)
[10:09] <dwidmann> esc: well, with the konqueror button you're launching it with, assuming that's how you're launching it, you could put the url in the launcher ...... starting it like say konqueror http://www.google.com
[10:09] <intelikey> max__ sudo apt-get install language-pack-kde-it
[10:09] <max__> ok thank you!
[10:09] <dwidmann> mervteck: there is
[10:10] <intelikey> esc you can set the home page to anything you want
[10:10] <mervteck> ah hahahaha  2nd highest dl is XP theme for kde3 XD
[10:10] <franx> ta esc
[10:10] <esc> dwidmann: yeah I have that set. I mean the home button on konq itself
[10:10] <franx> good luck kubutors
[10:10] <mervteck> is kubuntu running kde3?
[10:11] <mervteck> err 3.2
[10:11] <intelikey> yeah
[10:11] <esc> 355
[10:11] <dwidmann> the only place you can really set the home button for konq itself is in konqueror -> settings -> configure konqueror ... right there in the middle of the page ...
[10:11] <mervteck> or higher
[10:11] <intelikey> 3.4 on dapper i think  3.5 on edgy
[10:11] <dwidmann> Of course, the problem with that esc is that it affects file browsing as well
[10:11] <esc> yup.
[10:11] <mervteck> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=1499 take a look guy its pretty bad >.<
[10:11] <dwidmann> 3.5.5 on edgy ... and it shouldn't be long til 3.5.6 is released
[10:11] <esc> I want to have my cake and eat it too
[10:11] <max__> hey,  the terminal says that has changed the olds packeges (in english) with the italian but i can't see the difference, should i reboot?
[10:12] <intelikey> the different profiles can use different home pages         no ?
[10:12] <dwidmann> mervteck: I'm surprised it's at a 66% rating
[10:13] <intelikey> max log out and back in
[10:13] <max__> ah ok
[10:13] <esc> intelikey: as far as I can tell you can only have one true home page.
[10:13] <max__> bye!
[10:14] <mervteck> anyone know of a good black with orange font skin for kde?
[10:14] <esc> font skin?
[10:15] <mervteck> err a skin for kde thats got orange font and blackish everything else lol
[10:15] <intelikey> mervteck use kcontrol and set the colours the way you like
[10:15] <esc> yeah just do it yourself
[10:15] <max__> yes!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:15] <intelikey> roll your own    i always did.
[10:15] <max__> is in italian!!!!
[10:15] <max__> thank you!
[10:15] <max__> XD
[10:15] <intelikey> you're welcome
[10:16] <intelikey> max__ you can say hello to jucato in italian now   lol :)
[10:16] <Jucato> :O
[10:16] <max__> ah
[10:16] <max__> lol
[10:16] <max__> ciao!
[10:16] <Jucato> hola!
[10:16] <Jucato> salve!
[10:17] <max__> como estas?
[10:17] <max__> XD
[10:17] <elyon> Hello, everyone.
[10:17] <Jucato> no hablo espaol :P
[10:17] <max__> lol
[10:17] <esc> whats up elyon
[10:18] <elyon> I'm about to reinstall Kubuntu but I have a couple of questions.  I have a separate partition for my /home partition.  I would like to keep that as is but I'm curious... will all my program settings (for Firefox, etc) be maintained?  Or will installing the applications again overwrite the information?
[10:19] <esc> that's all in /home
[10:19] <dwidmann> elyon, yes, they'll be maintained
[10:19] <elyon> Basically, I don't know what to expect as far as reusing that partition.
[10:19] <esc> should be at least
[10:19] <max__> lol
[10:19] <elyon> intelikey: Huh? lol
[10:19] <cyprene> What's wrong with Elyon?
[10:19] <max__> ah, how could i download a mp3 codec?
[10:20] <intelikey> ok so you are saying that in a different language... that's ok then
[10:20] <max__> sorry..but with kubuntu i'm noob
[10:20] <dwidmann> !mpe | max__
[10:20] <esc> !codec
[10:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mpe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about codec - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:20] <max__> ok
[10:20] <esc> !codecs
[10:20] <dwidmann> !mp3 | max__
[10:20] <ubotu> max__: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:20] <elyon> dwidmann: So when I reinstall Kubuntu, I should only have to setup new users and point them to the current /home directories, right?  Everything else should remain the same?
[10:20] <dwidmann> elyon, right
[10:21] <dwidmann> system setting files (anything in /etc) will be lost though'
[10:21] <max__> bye and thank you
[10:21] <esc> so when you reinstall around a /home, all you do is basically dont touch that one partition but erase/reformat the others?
[10:21] <intelikey> oh you may not be registered...    dis reguard.
[10:21] <dwidmann> esc, yup
[10:21] <elyon> esc: Exactly what I was about to ask :)
[10:22] <esc> but reinstalling is the fun part
[10:22] <mervteck> ahh mutch better nice and grey XD
[10:22] <esc> heh
[10:22] <elyon> esc: Is it tough to tell the installer NOT to touch that partition but to use it as the /home mount?
[10:22] <intelikey> i used to say.   "i reload twice a week whether i need too or not."   :)
[10:22] <esc> never done it before
[10:23] <dwidmann> elyon, well, there are many reasons why I don't trust the live installer. Be very careful.
[10:23] <elyon> intelikey: I'm hoping this will be the last time I'll have to.
[10:23] <mervteck> so anyone know why when i install my video drivers from nvidia it says there is an X server running and i need to close it. anyone know what it is XD
[10:23] <dwidmann> Or just use the alternate disk
[10:23] <esc> ^
[10:23] <esc> alt disk is good
[10:23] <intelikey> i don't think i've installed in about 8/10 months now.
[10:24] <intelikey> maybe longer.
[10:24] <esc> I enjoy reinstalling each ubuntu release
[10:24] <elyon> dwidmann: Where do I get the alternate disc?  And I wouldn't have to compile or anything with that, would I?  Installs just like the Live?
[10:24] <dwidmann> elyon, it works just like the live, except it's a text mode installer. You can get it from www.kubuntu.org
[10:24] <mervteck> anyone else use konversation?
[10:24] <esc> konversation rules
[10:24] <intelikey> install with ether the gui or in text mode
[10:24] <dwidmann> konversation is nice
[10:24] <mervteck> yup yup!
[10:24] <intelikey> elyon ^
[10:25] <elyon> hmm... text mode.  How advanced? lol
[10:25] <mervteck> smooth cleen and low resorces
[10:25] <elyon> ah
[10:25] <esc> it's pretty easy...just ugly
[10:25] <elyon> mervteck: Konversation kicks X-Chat's butt.
[10:25] <esc> same as the livecd install...just fugly
[10:25] <intelikey> errr dvd that is.    the alternate is just text mode.
[10:25] <mervteck> i hear that elyon!
[10:25] <elyon> esc: Then we'll have something in common... I can handle that ;)
[10:26] <dwidmann> esc, it used all of its points in the reliability category instead of charisma, apparently
[10:26] <intelikey> esc no not "<esc> same as the livecd install...just fugly"   more flexable.
[10:26] <esc> thats true
[10:26] <mervteck> lol im running konversation, kopete running 4 messenger services 8 browsers and 2 games and its only using 10 percent of my proc XD
[10:26] <elyon> dwidmann: I've been looking on kubuntu.org, but I can't find the link for alternate cd.
[10:26] <esc> I take that back...if you want to do a console install, its great...livecd cannot do that
[10:26] <esc> which I highly recommend by the way
[10:27] <mervteck> anyone ever used DSL
[10:27] <intelikey> well said
[10:27] <esc> console install ~~> kde-core
[10:27] <intelikey> mervteck yeah
[10:27] <mervteck> did u like it
[10:27] <intelikey> esc kde-base
[10:27] <esc> kde-base is just without arts right?
[10:27] <elyon> esc: I originally installed Ubuntu and then installed kubuntu-desktop.  THEN was told I shouldn't have lol.  So I'm just going to do a fresh Kubuntu install.
[10:28] <intelikey> mervteck for what it is.  it's minimalest.   i like minimalest...
[10:28] <dwidmann> one sec elyon, while I grab t hat link
[10:28] <elyon> dwidmann: They have one for Edgy, right?
[10:28] <dwidmann> I find console install + kde-core to be light enough
[10:28] <esc> elyon: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[10:28] <dwidmann> elyon, yes, they do
[10:28] <intelikey> mervteck it will install on a 50m partition  with full xorg.
[10:29] <mervteck> XD yeah ive got one of there mini systems XD
[10:29] <premier_> could you guys point me to information that would tell me about linux hardware compatibility?
[10:29] <esc> !hardware
[10:29] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[10:29] <dwidmann> I picked a random mirror elyon, but here's the list of files
[10:29] <dwidmann> ftp://ftp.fu-berlin.de/linux/ubuntu/releases/kubuntu/edgy/
[10:29] <mervteck> ok i got my wine file guys how do i install it through console?
[10:29] <elyon> dwidmann: I'm in the US ;)
[10:29] <mervteck> konsole *
[10:29] <elyon> dwidmann: Where is the list of mirrors?
[10:29] <intelikey> mervteck but i can install a linux system that i can deal with on a 5m partition cli only   :)        so go figure.
[10:30] <dwidmann> http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php#latest
[10:30] <esc> mervteck: what wine files?
[10:30] <elyon> dwidmann: OHHH, I see it now... under OTHER installation methods.
[10:30] <mervteck> intelikey: aww show off XD
[10:30] <elyon> Sorry for wasting your time... but thank you :)
[10:30] <mervteck> esc: lol i type like shit lol sorry its all the files to install wine
[10:30] <intelikey> elyon it's never a waste of time.
[10:30] <dwidmann> no time has been wasted
[10:31] <esc> elyon: get alt .iso not the server .iso...I made that mistake once
[10:31] <dwidmann> at least none that wasn't going to get wasted to begin with ;)
[10:31] <elyon> :P
[10:31] <esc> mervteck: ..and what files are those? why not just install via repos
[10:31] <intelikey> and sorry for the "name" thang.   i just read it with a hebrew slant.
[10:31] <mervteck> cuz i tried repos it didnt work so i jsut dled it
[10:31] <esc> source?
[10:31] <elyon> Now, when I boot up the alt CD, does the installation start automatically?
[10:32] <mervteck> wine_0.9.29~winehq0~ubuntu~6.10-1_i386.deb is the exact name
[10:32] <elyon> I haven't done a text-based installation since DOS 6 ;)
[10:32] <dwidmann> elyon, it'll look about the same as if you had booted up the live cd, just select install and you'll be good to go
[10:32] <esc> mervteck: sudo dpkg -i <package.deb>
[10:32] <elyon> dwidmann: Excellent... thank you.
[10:32] <premier_> the information on the compatibility list tends to pertain to dapper or earlier...  If I plan to use edgy, is that a problem?
[10:32] <dwidmann> and it's text mode, not just text ... like an ncurses interface, or whatever those things are called
[10:32] <mervteck> sudo dpkg -i <package.deb>
[10:32] <mervteck> err
[10:32] <mervteck> 1 sec
[10:32] <mervteck> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[10:33] <intelikey> elyon kubuntu 6.6 is the first gui based install i've done sense about that long.   and i hate it.      hate it with a purple passion.
[10:33] <dwidmann> intelikey, then you would have a heart attack if you saw my current theme. You can't get much more purply than this.
[10:33] <elyon> intelikey: I'm a nerd, but sometimes I just want to get the job done quickly ;)
[10:34] <intelikey> wouldn't advise my worst enemy to use the ubuntu live cd to install.....
[10:34] <esc> heh
[10:34] <mervteck> anyone wanna help me install wine with remote desktop? XD
[10:34] <dwidmann> intelikey: I would
[10:34] <mena> I installed Azurues and when i open it it closed after loadin
[10:34] <intelikey> well maybe my worst.....
[10:34] <mena> Any onw now why
[10:34] <esc> mervteck: did you do dpkg?
[10:35] <mena> one*
[10:35] <mervteck> dunno what it is so ide say no
[10:35] <elyon> intelikey: So what is the difference?
[10:35] <esc> mervteck: put the .deb into your home folder
[10:35] <esc> and then open a terminal
[10:35] <mervteck> k 1 sec
[10:36] <esc> and type without quotes "sudo dpkg -i wine_0.9.29~winehq0~ubuntu~6.10-1_i386.deb"
[10:36] <intelikey> elyon well i can actually get the text installer to work  but if you don't just click yes to everything and let it do what ever it wants   i can't get the gui installer to do anything but piss me off.
[10:36] <dwidmann> elyon: the main difference is reliability. The alternate disk has it, the live disk doesn't
[10:37] <esc> I didnt realize the livecd was so buggy
[10:37] <dennis> can anyone tell me why i cannot use the mysql functions in php command line (i installed php5-cli and php5-mysql)?
[10:37] <esc> never used it to install
[10:37] <intelikey> !lamp
[10:37] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[10:37] <dwidmann> esc: the live cd is new, as of about a year and a half ago, or something like that. Very buggy. I tested the feisty herd 2 live cd today, guess what, it crashed.
[10:37] <mena> !azurues
[10:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about azurues - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:38] <esc> yeah I remember when all that started development...espresso?
[10:38] <esc> or something
[10:38] <intelikey> the live cd installer came out with dapper
[10:38] <elyon> dwidmann: I definitely like the idea of a Live CD for distros, though...
[10:38] <intelikey> i think
[10:38] <elyon> dwidmann: It's prevented me from installing a few stinkers :)
[10:39] <intelikey> i have nothing particular against the live cd     it's the gui installer that me hates
[10:39] <max__> HI
[10:39] <dwidmann> ubiquity-frontend-kde = buggy, crashy, unreliable
[10:39] <mervteck> esc check ur pm
[10:40] <esc> mervteck: yeah I got it...cant respond...im not registered
[10:40] <mervteck> XD
[10:40] <esc> yes..put it in your home
[10:40] <mervteck> so /home/username, put it in there?
[10:40] <esc> yes
[10:40] <mervteck> k i did that then put in the command u said to and it failed
[10:40] <esc> what was the error
[10:41] <mervteck> i think its cuz im still in desktop
[10:41] <mervteck> cuz earlier i put in cd desktop for another install
[10:43] <max__> ehm.. how could i dowload the italian package for openoffice? with apt-get?
[10:44] <Skrot-> max_: Probably apt-get install openoffice.org-l10n-it
[10:44] <mervteck> esc why dont u register?
[10:44] <max__> ah ok..thank you
[10:44] <esc> lazy
[10:45] <esc> doing it now
[10:45] <intelikey> l10n ?    not  i18n ?
[10:48] <intelikey> max__ let me give you a quick search string for things like that.     apt-cache search italian | grep <filter string here>        filter could be    openoffice   kde    gnome    or anything else.
[10:49] <intelikey> makes it easier for you, any you don't have to keep asking.
[10:49] <mervteck> OI! i finally get the package to install and its an i386 and im running 64x! >.<
[10:49] <mervteck> mutany i tell you!
[10:49] <intelikey> mervteck lol why didn't you say so.  there is no wine for k8  afik
[10:50] <intelikey> afaik
[10:50] <max__> but to update un download i have to write sudo apt-get install AND the name of application?
[10:50] <intelikey> yes
[10:50] <intelikey> max__ or use a frontend   like adept  or synaptic
[10:50] <mervteck> areu  kidding me intel?? so i have no wine?!
[10:51] <intelikey> !wine
[10:51] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[10:51] <intelikey> !chroot
[10:51] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[10:51] <max__> ok..but with adept...i'm using 56k and download a lot of thing that i don't need
[10:51] <mervteck> i need to be able to run CS CSS and 2142 X.X thats it
[10:51] <intelikey> that's the only solution i know of. mervteck
[10:52] <mervteck> chroot?
[10:52] <mervteck> is it like and emulation in an emulation? lol
[10:53] <max__> bye and thank you!!!!!!!
[10:53] <intelikey> max__ don't know about that.   apt will grab dependancies too.    if you don't believe it do   sudo apt-get ubuntu-desktop      and look at the list.    you can say   N   to the question....
[10:53] <intelikey> mervteck it's a 32 bit env running in the 64bit system.
[10:53] <mervteck> oo
[10:53] <intelikey> real not emulated.
[10:54] <intelikey> wine = wine is not an emulator
[10:54] <mervteck> so which one do i download, cuz i dunno if im running breezy or whatever they are >.<
[10:54] <intelikey> lsb_release -a
[10:55] <mervteck> whats is dapper or breezy?
[10:56] <intelikey> 6.6 and 5.10 respectivly
[10:56] <intelikey> edgy is 6.10
[10:56] <mervteck> kk
[10:56] <intelikey> the release numbers are   year.month
[10:57] <mervteck> ooo thats neat
[10:57] <intelikey> some say  6.06   but the month is still 6
[10:57] <mervteck> damn it i need to learn all i can about Linux
[10:57] <intelikey> feist fon will be  7.4  if it releases on schedual
[10:58] <mervteck> whats feist fon?
[10:58] <intelikey> *buntu uses a six month life cycle.
[10:58] <intelikey> with LTS versions.
[10:58] <intelikey> !lts
[10:58] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[10:58] <intelikey> !feisty
[10:58] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[10:58] <mervteck> a 6 month life cycle?
[10:58] <pgdown> ok im all registered. esc is now pgdown. just so you people know
[10:59] <mervteck> rgr that!
[10:59] <mervteck> welcome back
[10:59] <pgdown> I had to try every keyboard button name
[10:59] <pgdown> oddly enough, most were already taken
[10:59] <mervteck> XD
[11:00] <intelikey> nothing odd about that    a lot of people reg. more than one nick    and look at the number of users on freenode.
[11:00] <mervteck> i love rightclick> package menu > install its my best friend XD
[11:01] <mervteck> XD
[11:01] <mervteck> i have lots of friends i jsut wanna learn linux
[11:01] <pgdown> m
[11:02] <mervteck> there fun is getting stoned, mine is learning aobut stuff like this
[11:02] <pgdown> I like to get stoned and learn linux
[11:02] <mervteck> XD
[11:02] <intelikey> aout stuff
[11:02] <intelikey> ?
[11:02] <intelikey> oh about stuff.
[11:02] <intelikey> was going to say linux is mostly elf not aout now days.
[11:03] <mervteck> ok i installed the debootstrapchroot
[11:04] <intelikey> and using a script that is generally frowned upon....
[11:04] <pgdown> haha
[11:05] <intelikey> think i will too
[11:05] <intelikey> Kernel: Linux 2.6.15-27-386 | Distro: Debian/GNU none | CPU: AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor @ 351 Mhz | Mem usage: 36.5/249.2 MB (15%) | Swap usage: unavailable | Disk usage(/dev/dev): 6.7/10.3 GB (65%) | Uptime: 11 hrs 59 mins 31 secs  |  Local Time: 04:05:55 CST | Connection:  Received: 0.0 KB,  packets Sent: 0.0 KB,  packets | Users: 0 | Load: 0.00
[11:06] <intelikey> hehhe the network stats may be a little less than accurate....  :)
[11:06] <mervteck> anyone know if cadega has 64X support?
[11:07] <intelikey> !cedega
[11:07] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[11:07] <pgdown> Random Fortune: Ok, I'm just uploading the new version of the kernel, v1.3.33, also known as "the buggiest kernel ever". 	-- Linus Torvalds
[11:08] <mervteck> i know what it is =P but is it x64 compatable?
[11:08] <elyon> Okay... last question before reinstalling.  What is the KDE partition manager called?
[11:09] <pgdown> called the gparted live cd
[11:09] <JaydeInflux> sweet
[11:09] <JaydeInflux> i remembe this
[11:09] <JaydeInflux> r*
[11:09] <pgdown> just kidding
[11:09] <intelikey> pgdown kernel versions are coded  number.odd == unstabel buggy        number.even == stable
[11:09] <elyon> pgdown: I'm not using the live cd :)
[11:09] <pgdown> qtparted is one...but I think it's not so good
[11:10] <elyon> pgdown: What do YOU use?
[11:10] <pgdown> gparted live cd
[11:10] <intelikey> !parted
[11:10] <ubotu> parted: The GNU Parted disk partition resizing program. In component main, is standard. Version 1.7.1-2.1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 53 kB, installed size 156 kB
[11:10] <pgdown> http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[11:11] <intelikey> parted is on the alternate install cd  iirc
[11:11] <JaydeInflux> great
[11:11] <JaydeInflux> i guess my linux partition is fully updated//secure
[11:12] <intelikey>  Mem usage: 36.5/249.2 MB (15%)
[11:12] <intelikey> not bad for having konqueror running
[11:13] <pgdown> how'd you get that stat
[11:13] <intelikey> it's a script.
[11:13] <intelikey> i typed /sis -m    but you don't have it.
[11:13] <pgdown> well damn
[11:14] <pgdown> ok I gotta sleep
[11:14] <pgdown> later everyone
[11:15] <intelikey> you can write one  just  cut the output of free -m
[11:15] <intelikey> later.
[11:16] <mervteck> anyone know of other emulation programs like wine and cadega thats got X64 support?
[11:16] <Jucato> !away | pgdown
[11:16] <ubotu> pgdown: Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[11:16] <Jucato> oops
[11:16] <Jucato> !away > pgdown
[11:21] <intelikey> let me see                                                                  echo "Mem usage: `free -m | grep -e "-/+" | cut -d' ' -f7-13 | tr -d ' '`/`free -m | grep -e "-/+" | cut -d' ' -f14- | tr -d ' '` MB"                                                   and a little awk or bc math to enhance it.
[11:21] <ForgeAus> what repository is seamonkey in?
[11:22] <intelikey> !seamonkey
[11:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seamonkey - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:22] <intelikey> doesn't seem to be.
[11:23] <dwidmann> !guidelines > dwidmann
[11:23] <intelikey> !guidelines | dwidmann
[11:23] <ubotu> dwidmann: The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[11:24] <dwidmann> hmmm, > = to self in a pm, very nice :)
[11:24] <dwidmann> or, to > target rather
[11:24] <intelikey> actually yeah that.
[11:24] <intelikey>  /msg ubotu blan     == to self in pm
[11:25] <intelikey> me wonders if < works....
[11:26] <intelikey> !botsnack < ubotu
[11:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about botsnack < ubotu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:26] <intelikey> nope.
[11:26] <intelikey> !< help
[11:26] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:30] <mervteck> can anyone tell me hwo to get my audio devices to work right? i have no sound with kaffeine
[11:30] <intelikey> !sound
[11:30] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[11:31] <intelikey> wb Jucato
[11:31] <mervteck> kk
[11:31] <dwidmann> mervtec, do you have sound with everything else?
[11:32] <mervteck> no i have no sound at all
[11:32] <_dane> me either
[11:32] <_dane> i need to get music going
[11:32] <mervteck> ive got a usb headset plugged in as well as an sb live sound card installed
[11:32] <_dane> i lost my admin password
[11:33] <Jucato> thanks intelikey
[11:33] <intelikey> !sound | _dane
[11:33] <ubotu> _dane: If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[11:33] <_dane> well not sound.. i got that
[11:33] <_dane> i need to access my ntfs partitions
[11:33] <_dane> but the /etc/conf file is locked
[11:33] <intelikey> !ntfs
[11:33] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions. For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[11:33] <_dane> thx
[11:33] <_dane> !fuse
[11:33] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[11:33] <_dane> meh don't need to fuse
[11:33] <intelikey> !ntfs-3g
[11:33] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[11:33] <_dane> just ro is fine
[11:34] <_dane> hmm
[11:34] <intelikey> you can do that by simply mounting it
[11:34] <_dane> do i use dapper or edgy?
[11:34] <intelikey> lsb_release -a
[11:34] <intelikey> in konsole ^
[11:34] <_dane> k
[11:35] <_dane> event not found
[11:35] <_dane> wait
[11:35] <_dane> LOL
[11:35] <_dane> nm
[11:35] <_dane> nope.. hmm
[11:35] <_dane> !sb_release
[11:35] <_dane> :\
[11:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sb_release - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:35] <_dane> *sigh*
[11:35] <intelikey> it's Lsb
[11:35] <mervteck> gahh i need my sound
[11:35] <intelikey> lsb_release -a
[11:36] <intelikey> type it.
[11:36] <mervteck> why cant it jsut say my sound card name =\
[11:36] <_dane> hrm
[11:36] <intelikey> !lsb_release
[11:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lsb_release - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:37] <_dane> how do i recover a lost root password in ubuntu
[11:37] <intelikey> !lsb-base
[11:37] <ubotu> lsb-base: Linux Standard Base 3.1 init script functionality. In component main, is required. Version 3.1-10ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 16 kB, installed size 76 kB
[11:37] <intelikey> _dane what do you mean "lost"  did you ever set a root passwd ?
[11:38] <intelikey> !root | _dane
[11:38] <ubotu> _dane: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[11:40] <mervteck> eww i cant believe im considering going back to suse >.<
[11:40] <intelikey> that page will tell you to never set a root passwd.  if you set a good strong one i see nothing wrong with it.   60+ chars with mixed  letters upper and lower case numbers and other chars.  should do it.
[11:41] <intelikey> mervteck wouldn't blame you.  *buntu stinks  imo.
[11:42] <mervteck> >.< it has praticaly nothing default configured
[11:42] <mervteck> ive spent 6 hours now trying to get all this shit configured
[11:42] <mervteck> and still dont have sound
[11:43] <mervteck> i jsut want sound right now and ide be happy till tomorrow
[11:43] <mervteck> im in sound system setting but theres nothing here that i can understand to fix
[11:43] <intelikey> cat /proc/asound/cards
[11:44] <intelikey> mervteck   cat /proc/asound/cards
[11:44] <mervteck> yeah i see the 2 but it wont let me select em then work when i play a video =\
[11:45] <mervteck> like under select the audio device
[11:45] <mervteck> theres autodetect the a shitload of nothing
[11:45] <mervteck> well theres stuff
[11:45] <mervteck> but i cant undersand any of em =\
[11:45] <intelikey> alsa ?
[11:46] <mervteck> yeah its there
[11:46] <intelikey> select it
[11:46] <mervteck> k
[11:46] <mervteck> i did
[11:46] <intelikey> test
[11:47] <mervteck> nothin
[11:47] <intelikey> kill the sound server and restart it.
[11:48] <mervteck> how
[11:48] <intelikey> not sure i recall exactly where.    kmenu > system settings > sound  something.
[11:48] <mena> I had a wrning from the azureus now its telling me i have port open is that bad
[11:49] <gourdin> hi there
[11:49] <mervteck> yeah im in sound system but what under here do i touch
[11:49] <gourdin> is kde 3.5.6 out ?
[11:49] <selecta_g> hello all; can anyone offer help setting up the Kontact newsreader?
[11:49] <intelikey> mena could be.  depends on what port and what's listening on it.
[11:50] <gourdin> selecta_g: ask
[11:50] <intelikey> mervteck it says something about   "disable arts"   or  something along that line.
[11:50] <mervteck> yays i fixed it !
[11:50] <mervteck> XD
[11:50] <selecta_g> Thanks gourdin; i have copied the settings from Thunderbird but Kontact does not see any newsgroups.
[11:50] <mena> intelikey it jsut tell me that the port 58443 is open or something like that
[11:50] <gourdin> selecta_g: ???
[11:50] <mervteck> it didnt wanna go to my soundcard port just wanted to go to the onboard
[11:51] <gourdin> you manually copy settings ?
[11:51] <selecta_g> Well, when I try to subscribe to news groups, it starts to download the list of groups but returns an empty list. The same (?) settings in Thunderbird work OK
[11:51] <gourdin> selecta_g: you have to configure "knode"
[11:51] <gourdin> not "kontact"
[11:51] <intelikey> mena   hm  that's awfully high number....    i don't know.  i'm about network illeterate   maybe some one else can pick that up.
[11:51] <selecta_g> I am in Kontact and clicking the "news" button on the side-bar
[11:51] <plagiats> hi, I got a concern here : when using beryl, kicker's taskbar shows windows from all desktops and the checkbox to "show only windows from the current desktop" does not appear... Is there another way to pass that argument to KDE, please ? :-)
[11:52] <intelikey> mena if not you can ask in #ubuntu
[11:52] <intelikey> mena or even in ##linux   sometimes there is good networking help in there.
[11:52] <mena> intelikey, ok
[11:52] <gourdin> selecta_g: ok
[11:52] <gourdin> then, settings => configure knode
[11:53] <intelikey> plagiats that seems to be a feature not a bug.
[11:53] <selecta_g> Thanks gourdin; the server settings in there look OK (i.e. the same as Thunderbird)
[11:54] <mervteck> ok sound test works.... but kaffeine dont
[11:54] <intelikey> mervteck set the output in kaffeine ?
[11:54] <mervteck> where?
[11:54] <mervteck> i looked and couldent find nothin
[11:54] <selecta_g> But still no groups when i click subscribe
[11:54] <intelikey> to alsa ?   in the configure or preferances
[11:54] <plagiats> intelikey: thanks  for the humor, but I need to fix that feature :D
[11:54] <gourdin> then, rightclick on your server in the main window
[11:55] <intelikey> plagiats no can do.
[11:55] <intelikey> plagiats wasn't just humour.
[11:55] <mervteck> there is only 4 optiong under config
[11:55] <plagiats> argh, why is that?
[11:55] <intelikey> plagiats idk  i didn't write it.
[11:55] <selecta_g> OK... the "subscribe?" and "fetch"?
[11:56] <gourdin> subscribe
[11:56] <gourdin> and "new list"
[11:56] <plagiats> intelikey: thanks anyway
[11:56] <selecta_g> OK....
[11:56] <gourdin> got what you want ?
[11:57] <selecta_g> first dialogue is "fetch" or "do  not fetch"... this time i'll click "do not" shall i?
[11:57] <intelikey> mervteck i've never used kaffeine   idk.   but there should be a way so set the output.   also test a .wav or .au file in kaffeine to make sure it's not a codec problem.
[11:57] <gourdin> click fetch
[11:57] <selecta_g> KK
[11:57] <gourdin> I don't know =)
[11:57] <intelikey> !codecs | mervteck
[11:57] <ubotu> mervteck: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:57] <mervteck> u use vlc?
[11:58] <intelikey> vlc is good.
[11:58] <selecta_g> It does and appears to be downloading (progress bar climbs up) but the result is an empty list
[11:58] <intelikey> some don't like the look   but it's a good app.
[11:58] <gourdin> selecta_g:  ?
[11:58] <intelikey> and yes i do use vlc mervteck
[11:58] <selecta_g> so when it's done, I'll do "new list"
[11:58] <gourdin> you got something in the "filter field" ?
[11:58] <gourdin> yes
[11:58] <gourdin> click on new list
[11:59] <intelikey> in the console mostly
[11:59] <selecta_g> errrm.... search field is empty and not check boxes are selected
[11:59] <gourdin> ok
[11:59] <selecta_g> [no checkboxes] 
[11:59] <gourdin> you clicked on the new list button ?
[12:00] <selecta_g> The "downloading" progress is at 100% but the "new list" button is greyed out
[12:00] <mervteck> omfg it wont install vlc
[12:00] <intelikey> mervteck i've heard others say they could get kaffeine to play vidios in the console but vlc is all i ever used for that.
[12:00] <intelikey> why not ?
[12:00] <mervteck> it jsut errors
[12:00] <intelikey> what error ?
[12:00] <intelikey> oh you are on k8 i keep forgetting that.
[12:01] <gourdin> selecta_g: no list ?
[12:01] <mervteck> E: Couldn't find package vlc
[12:01] <selecta_g> Yes  - no list
[12:01] <gourdin> if you got an empty list, either the news server dont have any group, either you got a wrong server...
[12:01] <gourdin> I don't know
[12:01] <gourdin> what news server is it ?
[12:01] <mervteck> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-ubuntu.html
[12:01] <gourdin> try a public server from your provider
[12:01] <intelikey> !info vlc edgy64
[12:01] <ubotu> vlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1120 kB, installed size 3240 kB
[12:01] <selecta_g> Ok, news.eclipse.co.uk
[12:01] <crazy_bus> My computer has lost some system files.  And because of this my computer won't shut down or restart properly.  Can anyone help?
[12:02] <intelikey> mervteck it's in multiverse  is that enabled ?
[12:02] <selecta_g> I'm not sure if i have access to public servers
[12:02] <selecta_g> will investigae tho
[12:02] <gourdin> selecta_g: sorry, I can't help you much
[12:02] <gourdin> "It's working for me that way" =)
[12:02] <selecta_g> many, many  thanks for trying tho
[12:02] <gourdin> np
[12:02] <gourdin> good luck
[12:02] <gourdin> =)
[12:02] <selecta_g> Thunderbird will have to do for now
[12:02] <selecta_g> thanks again
[12:02] <gourdin> =)
[12:02] <intelikey> crazy_bus lost system files ?
[12:03] <intelikey> how    why ?
[12:03] <selecta_g> thanks room (thanks gourdin)... c y'all... l8rs
[12:03] <intelikey> what system files ?
[12:04] <crazy_bus> fsck came up after my harddrive was mounted 30 times and it said something about deleted inodes, next to files which made me think of reboot.  I can't remember the names
[12:04] <intelikey> apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install  $(dpkg -S LC_MESSAGES | cut -d: -f1 | tr ', ' '\n' | sort -u)
[12:05] <intelikey> crazy_bus run that
[12:05] <intelikey> sudo it.
[12:06] <intelikey> have seen reisetfs do that too.
[12:07] <crazy_bus> what will that command do?  (this has happened to me before and I had to reinstall)
[12:09] <intelikey> had ext3 do that one time and it wrote something on the disk that made it totally unuseable.  badblocks said the drive was bad  but i did cat /dev/zero > /dev/sda   and did badblocks again and it couldn't find one bad spot.  ran it for hours   no errors.   still using it.
[12:09] <intelikey> crazy_bus if you're lucky it will fix your problem.   if not it wont hurt you.
[12:10] <mervteck> god damn it i need vlc but it wont install >.<
[12:10] <intelikey> !language | mervteck
[12:10] <ubotu> mervteck: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[12:10] <mervteck> XD
[12:11] <mervteck> sudo apt-get install vlc vlc-plugin-esd this is what i put it just liek the site says
[12:11] <intelikey> you made sure multiverse was enabled ?
[12:11] <mervteck> yeah =\
[12:11] <intelikey> grep multiverse /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:12] <mervteck> where i put that?
[12:12] <intelikey> konsole
[12:12] <mervteck> # deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[12:12] <mervteck> # deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[12:12] <intelikey> that's not enabled.
[12:12] <intelikey> the # means it's commented out.
[12:12] <elyon> Uhm, I'm having a problem.  Before reinstalling Kubuntu, I made a backup CD of my /home.  Now, the CD is showing up completely blank (although it has obviously been burned).  Is there some trick that I'm missing?
[12:12] <intelikey> but both are backports.
[12:13] <mervteck> # deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[12:13] <mervteck> oops
[12:13] <mervteck> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-updates main restricted multiv                                                   erse
[12:13] <intelikey> you need to add multiverse to the first line with   deb  in it.
[12:13] <mervteck> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-updates main restricted multiverse
[12:14] <intelikey> nope yo don't seem to have it enabled.
[12:14] <Alarm> why does my kubuntu os use swap memory when there is free memory available ?
[12:14] <Alarm> i got like 60mb free (or unallocated memory) , and the system uses like 80mb from the swap
[12:14] <crazy_bus> intelikey: I typed in what you said.  What do I do now?
[12:14] <intelikey> alarm cause you have swap enabled ?    swapiness set to high ?
[12:14] <mervteck> can u give me an exact line to put in here intelikey
[12:14] <intelikey> crazy_bus what all did it install ?
[12:15] <Alarm> well swap is enabled
[12:15] <fjellrev1> elyon: I've noticed sometimes that I have the same problem when burning data cd's with k3b that they end up as blank cd's..got no solution though :(
[12:15] <crazy_bus> It downloaded somethings, then came up with this E: Couldn't configure pre-depend dpkg for language-pack-en, probably a dependency cycle.
[12:15] <intelikey> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted universe multiverse
[12:15] <intelikey> crazy_bus anything else ?
[12:15] <Alarm> my used memory is: 250mb about, allocated about 500 (from 512mb) , and now it writes also on the swap although there are 250mb free
[12:16] <elyon> fjellrev1: Nice... I NEED these files!
[12:16] <mervteck> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[12:16] <crazy_bus> intelikey: what type of things?  What it downloaded, or error messages
[12:16] <mervteck> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[12:16] <intelikey> both  you can pastbin it if you need to
[12:16] <intelikey> mervteck close other package managers
[12:17] <mervteck> Reading state information... Done
[12:17] <mervteck> E: Couldn't find package vlc
[12:17] <mervteck> =\
[12:17] <mervteck> and i jsut enabled EVERYTHING
[12:17] <intelikey> did you add that line ?
[12:17] <mervteck> what line?
[12:17] <intelikey> ^^^   when you asked me
[12:18] <intelikey> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted universe multiverse
[12:18] <intelikey> that line ^
[12:18] <elyon> fjellrev1: I can view the files from the Konsole, so they're there, but they don't show up in the file browser...
[12:18] <intelikey> and run    sudo apt-get update
[12:18] <intelikey> !hidden | elyon
[12:18] <ubotu> elyon: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[12:18] <crazy_bus> intelikey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2525/
[12:18] <intelikey> k
[12:19] <elyon> intelikey: I've already told Konqueror to show hidden files.
[12:19] <fjellrev1> have you tried copying them over from konsole to a folder that you can read in file manager,just as a way of recovering them in worst case scenario
[12:19] <Hoxxin> ok so im quite new at kubuntu, i want to paste a file into the xmms skin folder but i dont have permission, how do i do?
[12:20] <intelikey> elyon you didn't read the link.
[12:20] <elyon> fjellrev1: Well, now I'm pretty sure I can use Konsole to get them, so I'm not worried about that.  But I'm very curious as to why they aren't showing up.
[12:20] <fjellrev1> yeah me too
[12:20] <intelikey> crazy_bus it might have fixed it.. you can test.
[12:20] <intelikey> could have been debconf  but i doubt it.
[12:20] <mervteck> thank goddddd its finally installing
[12:20] <fjellrev1> elyon: and dont think its hidden files cause I've noticed same thing when trying to read and cd's thar are burned after iso files in windows
[12:21] <elyon> intelikey: I said I've already enabled the viewing of hidden files.
[12:21] <fjellrev1> elyon: reading them in windoes that is
[12:21] <elyon> fjellrev1: Yeah, if they were hidden, I wouldn't see them by just using ls either.
[12:21] <elyon> ...but I can.
[12:21] <intelikey> yes you would
[12:22] <intelikey> only hidden from konq
[12:22] <elyon> intelikey: I thought I had to do ls -a
[12:22] <intelikey> nope that's for files that start with .  this is a /.hidden thing   i'm assuming.
[12:22] <intelikey> ls /.hidden
[12:22] <intelikey> if that's there it's probably the reason.
[12:23] <intelikey> the link explains that.
[12:23] <elyon> intelikey: So enabling Show Hidden Files in konq does nothing?
[12:23] <elyon> ...as far as /.hidden files are concerned?
[12:24] <intelikey> no it unhides the file that start with . in the dirs that are not hidden.
[12:24] <intelikey> but /.hidden hides part of the fs
[12:24] <Jucato> intelikey: it also unhides those hidden by /.hidden
[12:24] <elyon> intelikey: So why would simple files on a CD be /.hidden?
[12:24] <intelikey> Jucato sense when ?
[12:24] <Jucato> since it was implemented in Edgy
[12:24] <Jucato> !hidden
[12:24] <ubotu> Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[12:25] <intelikey> elyon cd
[12:25] <Jucato> intelikey: "Hidden files and directories can be displayed in KDE's Konqueror file manager by enabling the menu option "Show Hidden Files" on the "View" menu. "
[12:26] <elyon> hmm... NOW they show up lol
[12:26] <intelikey> Jucato ok.
[12:26] <fjellrev1> elyon: anything in particular you did ?
[12:26] <elyon> Didn't change anything, just opened up the CD for the third time and there they were ;)
[12:27] <fjellrev1> elyon:  I wonder if this is the same for reading it on windows..can you test?
[12:27] <elyon> fjellrev1: I don't have Windows.
[12:28] <elyon> Oh, wow... Konq is so much better than Nautilus !
[12:29] <fjellrev1> elyon: thats a good thing ;)
[12:30] <Hoxxin> ok so im quite new at kubuntu, i want to paste a file into the xmms skin folder but i dont have permission, how do i do?
[12:30] <intelikey> Jucato ok i revisited that page.  i'll try to keep that streight hensforth.    and ls / was not affected by /.hidden  as i recall.
[12:31] <intelikey> had no affect on the cli at all.
[12:31] <Jucato> intelikey: yes. no effect in CLI
[12:32] <intelikey> Hoxxin# sudo cp file destination
[12:32] <Hoxxin> intelikey ok tnx i will try that
[12:32] <intelikey> Hoxxin in a konsole.
[12:32] <Hoxxin> ye
[12:32] <intelikey> that's the easiest for that.    and tab completion is your friend.
[12:33] <elyon> Hey, guys... I copied over my .mozilla folder from a CD and now Firefox is giving me an error about not being able to write security profiles.  I've checked and the .mozilla folder is not write-protected.  Any ideas?
[12:33] <intelikey> elyon   sudo chown -R `whoami` $HOME
[12:34] <intelikey> philip did it work ?
[12:34] <crazy_bus> no
[12:35] <elyon> intelikey: Hmm... still giving me that error.
[12:37] <intelikey> hmmm    you can try.         apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install base-files lsb-base
[12:38] <intelikey> or anything listed by   dpkg -l | cut -d' ' -f3      for that matter...
[12:38] <elyon> Good grief...I can't change the owner of anything.
[12:39] <dane_> ok
[12:39] <dane_> emergency
[12:39] <dane_> i gotta get this music working
[12:39] <elyon> dane_: That's an emergency?
[12:40] <dane_> and i'm not booting into windows to be spied on
[12:40] <intelikey> one could do;                                                      apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install `dpkg -l | cut -d' ' -f3`                                                                          for that matter.   but be advised that's a full reload.  it just keeps the configurations
[12:40] <dane_> here's my problem
[12:40] <intelikey> elyon not without sudo.
[12:40] <elyon> intelikey: No, I'm using sudo.
[12:40] <dane_> I'm running on a user account, the root account, well i forgot the password... How can I get the root password back?
[12:40] <intelikey> elyon hmmm test this.      sudo echo yes
[12:41] <elyon> intelikey: Works fine.
[12:41] <intelikey> dane_ when did you set a root passwd ?
[12:41] <intelikey> elyon then you should be able to chown things.
[12:41] <elyon> Oh, come on!  NOW the owner's been changed? lol
[12:41] <dane_> a long time ago
[12:42] <elyon> Do I seriously need to exit konq and then restart it for it to notice the changes to permissions?
[12:42] <intelikey> dane_ well set a new one.
[12:42] <dane_> ....
[12:42] <ind> hi
[12:42] <dane_> if it's that easy
[12:42] <dane_> imma kick myself in the head
[12:42] <intelikey> elyon why would it continually read the fs while you are just looking at it ?   that would eat cpu   and disk io
[12:43] <elyon> intelikey: So the owner of my entire /home directory is now me, but Firefox is still griping about not being able to write to it's folder.
[12:43] <elyon> intelikey: Well, you'd think when I right-click and choose Properties, it would load them then
[12:43] <intelikey> elyon what's the perms on it ?
[12:43] <intelikey> elyon why should it ?   it read all that when you switched to that dir ?
[12:44] <elyon> intelikey: Owner can view and modify content.
[12:44] <intelikey> it you need to up date the info just change dirs.
[12:44] <intelikey> can you exec the dir tho ?
[12:44] <intelikey> elyon   ls -l     that dir
[12:45] <intelikey> or ls -ld that dir
[12:45] <elyon> intelikey: What am I looking for?  There weren't any errors.
[12:45] <intelikey> drwxr-xr-x
[12:45] <intelikey> or the like
[12:46] <intelikey> dirs have to be executed.
[12:46] <elyon> drwxr-xr-x
[12:46] <intelikey> drw-r--r--  <<<< would be unaccessable.
[12:46] <elyon> Gotcha.
[12:46] <ind> intelikey, do u know how to change the permission to access a directory?
[12:46] <intelikey> ok that's correct.
[12:46] <lukic> can someone help me install Nvidia drivers manually?
[12:46] <intelikey> ind yes
[12:47] <elyon> Well, the Firefox error doesn't tell WHICH exact folder... just the "profile directory."
[12:47] <ind> how?
[12:47] <intelikey> chmod <perms> inode.
[12:47] <lukic> I got error : Unable to find the system utility `ld`
[12:47] <ind> with sudo?
[12:47] <lukic> and I have ld on my system
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[12:47] <lukic> yes
[12:47] <intelikey> ind if you have too
[12:48] <intelikey> ind man chmod
[12:48] <intelikey> ind generally speeking   755
[12:48] <intelikey> for dirs
[12:48] <intelikey> 644 for files that are not executed.
[12:49] <ind> want to make it to be accessed by only root
[12:49] <dane_> lmfao
[12:49] <dane_> i haven't laughed that hard at something i seen already in a while
[12:49] <intelikey> that translates to   755 == rwxr-xr-x      644 == rw-r--r--       only root.   simple   chmod 000
[12:50] <intelikey> seeing that root could not care less about permissions      with the exception of executing files.
[12:51] <elyon> lol good grief, why doesn't anything ever just work?
[12:51] <elyon> Now I'm trying to use the User Management, but clicking on Administrator Mode doesn't do anything... never prompts for a password.
[12:51] <lukic> I installed w32 codecs. How to make amarok and kaffeine use them?
[12:52] <intelikey> cause this is not  M$   if you want   fully automated someone else do everythign for you.  including setup your accounts and charge you for it.   then try M$
[12:52] <intelikey> lukic did you read the wiki on that ?
[12:53] <intelikey> !mp3
[12:53] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:53] <lukic> no
[12:53] <intelikey>                        ^
[12:53] <lukic> thanks
[12:54] <soulrider> hello hello
 Now I'm trying to use the User Management, but clicking on Administrator Mode doesn't do anything... never prompts for a password. <<<< sorry i missed that.  i could have laughed too.  it had remembered the passwd....
[12:55] <elyon> intelikey: Uhm, whether it remembered the password or not, all I've got here is a blank screen.
[12:55] <intelikey> oh wait did you set a root passwd ?
[12:55] <elyon> I even logged out and back in and when I click on Administrator Mode, the window just goes empty and I never get asked for the password.
[12:55] <elyon> intelikey: No.
[12:56] <elyon> And I can't, either since I can't access User Management lol
[12:56] <intelikey> oh that's silly.
[12:56] <intelikey> have you never used passwd ?
[12:57] <elyon> I was able to the first time I tried, but now I can't.
[12:57] <elyon> intelikey: Yes, I've used my password several times (for sudo and for the first time I ran User Management)
[12:57] <intelikey> man passwd
[12:57] <BTR> How come i cant play flash-games?
[12:57] <BTR> This is how it looks: http://peecee.dk/?id=23930
[12:57] <intelikey> btr flash not installed ?
[12:57] <intelikey> !flash9
[12:57] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[12:58] <BTR> intelikey: But some flash animations, it can play with no problem. But when ever there is a button it goes crazy
[12:58] <intelikey> idk.
[12:59] <ForgeAus> intelikey let me guess you browse in lynx?
[12:59] <intelikey> elinsk
[12:59] <intelikey> elinks
[12:59] <ForgeAus> ohhh one step below dillo!
[01:00] <ForgeAus> (which btw is shockingly fast)
[01:00] <ind> intelikey, i didn't work...the files in my windows partition (ntfs)...just because of that?
[01:00] <ind> intelikey, it didn't work...the files in my windows partition (ntfs)...just because of that?
[01:00] <elyon> man, this is really fricken infuriating!
[01:00] <ForgeAus> elyon whats infuriating?
[01:00] <BTR> intelikey: I cant find Flash9 in adept manager:(
[01:00] <ForgeAus> BTR have you got backports? repository?
[01:00] <elyon> ForgeAus: Well, one thing after another since installing Kubuntu.  Right now is the fact that I can't use Administrator Mode in System Settings.
[01:01] <ForgeAus> if so fetch updates and it SHOULD b there
[01:01] <elyon> ForgeAus: I click the button, the window goes empty, I'm never asked for a password...
[01:01] <intelikey> and get's modem reset from time to time.
[01:01] <ForgeAus> elyon? really? thats weird
[01:01] <ForgeAus> um try moving the window around to see if theres one behind it
[01:01] <ind> intelikey, it didn't work...the files in my windows partition (ntfs)...just because of that?
[01:01] <ForgeAus> there should be a window asking you for password but if its not in front, perhaps its behind?
[01:02] <intelikey> ind ?
[01:02] <ForgeAus> also go down to your taskbar it should show up there
[01:02] <elyon> ForgeAus: Nope... not there.
[01:02] <elyon> ForgeAus: And it worked just fine the first time I ran it...
[01:02] <intelikey> what are you trying to do ?   change permissions on a M$ fs ?
[01:02] <ForgeAus> elyon um not sure I can help you
[01:02] <ForgeAus> maybe just reset?
[01:02] <ind> yes
[01:02] <intelikey> ind M$ fs has no permissions bit.
[01:02] <elyon> grrr
[01:02] <ForgeAus> whats happening to you is an anomaly of some sort
[01:02] <ind> o..
[01:02] <elyon> So much for an operating system that "just works"
[01:02] <ForgeAus> (yeah I know I hate resetting too
[01:02] <elyon> lol
[01:03] <ForgeAus> kubuntu is nice
[01:03] <intelikey> ind what you have is a global perms bit set for the whole fs
[01:03] <ForgeAus> um doens't alway "just work" for me but still I like it alot
[01:03] <intelikey> ind it can be changed.   what is the exact intent ?
[01:03] <elyon> Well, I had a ton of problems with Ubuntu, then install kubuntu-desktop and everything was fine.  But since it was bloated, I decided to just do a clean Kubuntu install... that was a mistake.
[01:04] <ForgeAus> hmmm a "klean" kubuntu should be fine!...
[01:04] <ForgeAus> was there a problem when you downloaded it?
[01:04] <elyon> I'll try restarting... just logging out then back in didn't help.
[01:04] <intelikey> was before all the tinkering....
[01:04] <ForgeAus> (maybe some data corruption or something?)
[01:04] <BTR> intelikey: Now i have the backport reps, and have updated them. but still i cant find flash9
[01:04] <elyon> ForgeAus: Not that I know of... download and burn went smoothly as far as I could tell.
[01:04] <ind> exact intent? do u mean the permission?
[01:05] <ForgeAus> well then I have no idea what caused it but then I'm no officonado
[01:05] <elyon> I'll reboot.. I'll be back.
[01:05] <ind> -r-xr-x---
[01:05] <intelikey> BTR grep backport /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:06] <BTR> intelikey: The 2 lines that arent comments, arent commented out
[01:07] <intelikey> ind yes that's what you want?    sudo mount -o remount,umask=227 <mountpoint>      where mountpoint is where the fs is mounted.
[01:07] <elyon> Well, rebooting helped
[01:07] <intelikey> BTR lets see them
[01:08] <BTR> deb http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[01:08] <BTR> deb-src http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[01:08] <intelikey> and you did   sudo apt-get update
[01:08] <intelikey> and you did    apt-cache search flash
[01:09] <intelikey> ?
[01:09] <elyon> grr... next problem.  Why can't I use konq to copy folders into /home?
[01:09] <intelikey> you don't own home.
[01:09] <intelikey> you own /home/username
[01:09] <BTR> intelikey: i seached flash9
[01:10] <intelikey>  /home belongs to root
[01:10] <intelikey> BTR search flash
[01:10] <elyon> intelikey: Ah.  What is the konsole command to copy folders, then?
[01:10] <intelikey> sudo cp -a /path/to/dir  /home
[01:10] <elyon> thanks
[01:10] <BTR> intelikey: What flash player should i use?
[01:11] <intelikey> BTR idk  i don't do flash.
[01:11] <intelikey> maybe someone can pick that up.
[01:12] <intelikey> elyon if that's from a cd  be advised that you probably didn't use rr with perms  so the -a will preserve the permissions but they will be wrong.
[01:13] <intelikey> thats why i always advise using tar for backups.
[01:13] <elyon> intelikey: Yeah, I figured that would happen.
[01:13] <intelikey> you can burn a tar ball to cd just as easy   and it preserves the perms
[01:15] <elyon> intelikey: Good to know.  Thank you.
[01:15] <elyon> intelikey: Now, since all I'm really copying over is each user's home directory, I should be able to simply run 'sudo chown -R [user]  [folder] ' right?
[01:16] <intelikey> elyon yes you can fix that with#    sudo chmod -R 644 /home/dir && sudo find /home/ -type f -exec chmod 755 \;
[01:17] <intelikey> ooops.
[01:17] <intelikey> no that's not it.
[01:17] <elyon> lost me lol
[01:17] <intelikey> elyon yes you can fix that with#    sudo chmod -R 755 /home/dir && sudo find /home/ -type f -exec chmod 644 \;
[01:17] <intelikey> there that's it.
[01:17] <elyon> intelikey: So do that for each user and just change the /home/dir?
[01:18] <intelikey> no that's a one timer    that will set everything 755 then all files back to 644
[01:18] <elyon> I have no idea what that means, though lol
[01:18] <elyon> That will change each folder's owner to the correct user?
[01:19] <intelikey> no the permissions bits to the correct value   the ownership is another matter.
[01:20] <intelikey> simply      chown 'username' -R /home/'username'
[01:20] <elyon> So what is the /dir supposed to be?
[01:20] <intelikey> one per username
[01:20] <intelikey> 755 or 700 if you want privet
[01:20] <elyon> lol you're losing me.  I know basically NOTHING about linux and permissions.
[01:21] <eeos> we re having problems on a laptop here with 6.10. kde freezes (sometimes) on session log off and on turn off computer
[01:21] <elyon> I just want the folders I copied to be identical to what they would be if they were created by User Management.
[01:21] <intelikey> that octal code is three sets of three digit binary  marks    1 for each of wrx    so 100 is 4  110 is 6 111 is 7   and so forth.
[01:22] <elyon> eeos: I have the same problem... been asking about it for weeks and no one knows why.  The only workaround I've found is to restart X instead of logging off.
[01:22] <elyon> eeos: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
[01:23] <intelikey> 100 r--   readonly  4                                               rwx  read write execute   7        the three sets are   owner group world
[01:23] <eeos> elyon: no, the Ctrl-Alt-Backspace is frozen too :(
[01:23] <elyon> intelikey: None of that means anything to me, bud.
[01:23] <elyon> eeos: No... do that INSTEAD of logging off.
[01:23] <elyon> eeos: It will restart KDE and bring you back to the login screen without freezing.
[01:23] <eeos> elyon: ah! sounds quite heavy handed!
[01:23] <intelikey> ok.  there are 10 kinds op people in the world.  those that understand binarry and those that dont.
[01:23] <elyon> eeos: Well, it works for me :)
[01:24] <elyon> eeos: You have ATI graphics card?
[01:24] <eeos> elyon: yes, why?
[01:24] <intelikey> s/op/of/
[01:25] <elyon> eeos: So do I.  Pretty sure that is the cause of it... ATI doesn't like Linux.
[01:25] <elyon> intelikey: Now, how do I change the GROUP for those folders?  Right now they're all set to root.
[01:25] <elyon> I don't want that, right?
[01:26] <intelikey> why ?
[01:26] <elyon> I don't know...do I?
[01:26] <intelikey> if you want to change groups   it's    chown :groupname -R dir
[01:27] <elyon> Shouldn't the main group be their own username?
[01:27] <intelikey> unless you have a reason i'd probably leave it root.
[01:27] <elyon> intelikey: My reason is that they USED to be that way and I'd like it to be correct.
[01:27] <intelikey> can be.  or you might want to put some users in   users   group
[01:27] <elyon> brb
[01:28] <intelikey> correct is a M$ misconception of what everyone should want.     this is linux   fix it the way you want it.
[01:29] <intelikey> actually the more you mess with things like that the more you like the freedom linux offers in things like that.
[01:30] <Valmarko> I'm trying to play tremolous but I guess my firewall is restricting the access to the servers. Any suggestions ?
[01:30] <elyon> intelikey: I don't need freedom, I need a fully working desktop ;)
[01:30] <intelikey> linux is your os   M$ windows belongs to M$ and the sell you the right to use it as long as you use it in a way that pleases them.    linux is yours.
[01:30] <intelikey> s/the sell/they sell/
[01:31] <intelikey> Valmarko router ?
[01:31] <dane_> trying to add my two other partitions to another group other than root, but I feel I am lost for how to do this...
[01:31] <dane_> I need a kick start here
[01:31] <dane_> I neeeed music :|
[01:31] <Valmarko> modem ethernet. Yes, modem router
[01:32] <intelikey> Valmarko wish i knew.   networking is over my head.
[01:33] <intelikey> port forwording i would assume
[01:33] <elyon> son of a .... now the fricken User Management isn't working again!!!!
[01:33] <Valmarko> But I think the problem is related with the changes I did to the firewall with Guarddog
[01:33] <intelikey> probably
[01:34] <Valmarko> tanks anyway, intelikey
[01:34] <intelikey> elyon and you are wanting to do what to  user/s ?
[01:34] <elyon> intelikey: Administer them?  create, delete...
[01:35] <intelikey> sudo useradd blah
[01:35] <intelikey> sudo userdel blah
[01:35] <elyon> Why should I be forced to do it in a terminal?
[01:35] <intelikey> cause you keep playing with permissions in your home dir and kio can't deal with it.
[01:36] <elyon> intelikey: I haven't even changed any permissions yet
[01:36] <elyon> Other than for that one .mozilla folder, I haven't touched any of the rest.
[01:36] <intelikey> you didn't do any chmod commands   chown commands ?
[01:37] <elyon> Just on .mozilla and the other user folders... but this User Management problem started before all that.
[01:38] <elyon> And I "keep playing?"  I haven't done anything you didn't tell me to do...
[01:38] <intelikey> if none of that was on 'your' home dir it wont affect you.
[01:39] <ricardo> hey guys...is it possible that i got NO SWAP at all?
[01:40] <intelikey> ricardo yep.  i have none.
[01:40] <elyon> Well, you just said the reason User Management was messed up is because I changed permissions...
[01:40] <intelikey> that was a guess elyon
[01:40] <ricardo> intelikey: ok...but i used to have and it suddenly dissapeared...is that normal?
[01:40] <hastesaver> does anyone here use Emacs 22? The window can't be maximized -- it keeps going back immediately to a smaller size!
[01:41] <ricardo> hastesaver: try Xemacs
[01:41] <CVirus> ricardo: what version are you using ?
[01:41] <ricardo> edgy
[01:41] <elyon> good grief... I ran it again and suddenly it works.  I didn't change anything
[01:41] <CVirus> ricardo: you upgraded from dapper to edgy ?
[01:41] <ricardo> yes...but long time ago.....
[01:41] <elyon> So now Kubuntu has adopted the Windows philosophy of "Maybe I'll work this time..."
[01:42] <ricardo> i realised i had no more swap a couple of weeks ago....
[01:42] <CVirus> ricardo:  what does free -m tells you ?
[01:42] <hastesaver> ricardo: that's not a solution :p
[01:42] <intelikey> ricardo an upgrade or major update is the only thing that would justify that.
[01:42] <mena> Hi freinds Why when i open operabrowser and azureus in the same time azurues closed
[01:42] <ricardo>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[01:42] <ricardo> Mem:           947        656        291          0         48        403
[01:42] <ricardo> -/+ buffers/cache:        204        742
[01:42] <ricardo> Swap:            0          0          0
[01:42] <ricardo> sorry for the flooding...
[01:42] <intelikey> yep no swap
[01:43] <intelikey> sudo swapon -a
[01:43] <intelikey> free | grep swap
[01:43] <CVirus> what was the command that displays the UUID of a certain partition ?
[01:43] <ricardo> having 1 GB of ram..do i really need a swap?
[01:43] <intelikey> blkid ?
[01:43] <CVirus> that's it
[01:43] <intelikey> ricardo no.
[01:43] <mena> yes blkid
[01:44] <Ash-Fox> Can someone explain to me, why -- When I install any webserver or such, can't I connect to it via 127.0.0.1? I can access the webserver from other computers, but not locally.
[01:44] <CVirus> ricardo: blkid /dev/sdaX
[01:44] <intelikey> Ash-Fox lo not configured ?
[01:44] <intelikey> Ash-Fox sudo ifconfig lo up
[01:44] <CVirus> ricardo: then edit your fstab and add the proper UUID
[01:45] <Ash-Fox> intelikey, okay, I'm really stupid :P
[01:45] <Ash-Fox> Should of realised lo was down
[01:45] <CVirus> ricardo: then swapon /dev/sdaX
[01:45] <intelikey> CVirus how you know it's sda ?
[01:46] <CVirus> intelikey: I'm just giving an example
[01:46] <CVirus> intelikey: he should edit it to his configuration
[01:46] <ricardo> intelikey: when doing sudo swapon -a i get:
[01:46] <ricardo> swapon: /dev/disk/by-uuid/2fdd2238-9ab2-41ed-a157-32e4dcb5e281: Invalid argument
[01:47] <CVirus> intelikey: see ?
[01:47] <CVirus> intelikey: it's his UUID
[01:47] <intelikey> yep and if it hadn't used uuid in place of dev/  it wouldn't have done that.
[01:48] <intelikey> :)
[01:48] <CVirus> intelikey: blame the developers
[01:48] <intelikey> i just did.....
[01:48] <intelikey> :)
[01:48] <CVirus> LOL
[01:48] <boris_> je tu nkdo cz
[01:49] <intelikey> !cz
[01:49] <ubotu> esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[01:49] <ricardo> ok...guys......what should i do?...should i enable my swap for starters?
[01:49] <ricardo> if so...how?
[01:49] <CVirus> ricardo: scroll up
[01:49] <CVirus> ricardo: I answered you already
[01:50] <intelikey> ricardo i'd better stay out of that fight.       i don't use swap   but they gripe at me if i mention that you don't need it.
[01:50] <ricardo> CVirus: should i use sdaX or sda1, sd2,...?
[01:50] <CVirus> ricardo: are you using sata or IDE disk ?
[01:50] <intelikey> use   sudo fdisk -l       and see where it is.
[01:51] <ricardo> CVirus: ide
[01:51] <intelikey> sudo fdisk -l | grep swap
[01:51] <intelikey> run that ^
[01:51] <intelikey> in a konsole
[01:52] <ricardo> intelikey: i get /dev/hda6            6287        6430     1156648+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[01:52] <intelikey> there ya go.
[01:52] <ricardo> so what now?
[01:52] <intelikey>  /dev/hda6
[01:52] <CVirus> ricardo: blkid /dev/hda6
[01:53] <CVirus> ricardo: then edit your /etc/fstab and add the proper UUID
[01:53] <impaque> hello, i have a question. i'm using the default graphical installer on kubuntu 6.10. first, installer complained about XFS partition and /boot on it. i changed that, made another partition with ext2 for /boot, but the installer *still* complains how /boot is on XFS. any way to get past that?
[01:53] <CVirus> ricardo: you'll see a line similar to this one
[01:53] <CVirus> UUID=7f6ce9a4-50e6-40ff-bde4-b6eec51ece29 none swap sw 0 0
[01:54] <CVirus> ricardo: edit the UUID part and add the one you got from blkid /dev/hda6
[01:54] <impaque> should i get the alternate install CD and do it all by hand? i use gentoo on my servers, so i'm used to doing it by hand.
[01:54] <CVirus> ricardo: now I guess this is the 3rd time I give you such information
[01:55] <intelikey> impaque definitly
[01:55] <ricardo> CVirus: im a newbie..sorry....its kinda hard to follow you guys...
[01:55] <ricardo> CVirus: i found this line on my fstab:
[01:55] <ricardo> UUID=2fdd2238-9ab2-41ed-a157-32e4dcb5e281 none swap sw 0 0
[01:55] <impaque> thanks ;)
[01:55] <ricardo> should i modify it?
[01:56] <CVirus> ricardo: what does blkid /dev/hda6 tells you ?
[01:56] <intelikey> blkid /dev/hda6
[01:56] <impaque> but in general, why does the installer complain? is that a known issue with XFS chosen in the installer?
[01:56] <intelikey> run that ^
[01:56] <intelikey> impaque the graphic installer is a known issue as far as i'm concerned.
[01:57] <impaque> ok, got it. thx for the tip!
[01:57] <ForgeAus> I spend more of my time being stalled in ktorrent than getting a d/l :(
[01:57] <ForgeAus> any way to fix that?
[01:57] <ForgeAus> or use some alternate method?
[01:57] <ricardo> CVirus: /dev/hda6: UUID="2fdd2238-9ab2-41ed-a157-32e4dcb5e281" TYPE="swsuspend"
[01:58] <Valmarko> Can I install Beryl ( or compiz ) on Kubuntu desktop ?
[01:58] <ForgeAus> !beryl
[01:58] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[01:58] <intelikey> CVirus did you notice that they are the same.
[01:58] <CVirus> intelikey: just did
[01:58] <intelikey> ?
[01:58] <ForgeAus> Val you can do it :)
[01:58] <CVirus> TYPE="swsuspend"
[01:58] <CVirus> what is that ?
[01:59] <CVirus> lemme google
[01:59] <Valmarko> tank you ForgeAus :)
[01:59] <intelikey> swap suspend  for hybernate ?
[02:00] <Hoxxin> Hmm, how can i get my homefolder to the desktop, it only made a copy of it :/
[02:01] <intelikey> lol
[02:01] <CVirus> intelikey: no idea
[02:01] <intelikey> oh my.  me wants to put .. in .  lol
[02:02] <intelikey> Hoxxin in a konsole do this.   ln -s ~ ~/Desktop/home
[02:02] <CVirus> Hoxxin: how will you move /home/hoxxin to /home/hoxxin/Desktop ?
[02:02] <intelikey> like that ^
[02:02] <intelikey> :)
[02:02] <CVirus> intelikey: he said he wanted to move it
[02:02] <CVirus> thats a link
[02:02] <intelikey> he said no such thing
[02:03] <ricardo> CVirus and intelikey....so do you any ideas about my little swap problem?
[02:03] <CVirus> ricardo: I'm googling
[02:03] <intelikey> ricardo yes.   sudo mkswap /dev/hda6 && swapon -a
[02:04] <intelikey> see how that works for you.
[02:04] <Hoxxin> intelikey and CVirus i meant to do a shortcut to desktop, i wasnt clear enough :)
[02:05] <CVirus> Hoxxin: do what intelikey said then
[02:05] <Hoxxin> ok tnx
[02:05] <intelikey> Hoxxin in a konsole do this.   ln -s ~ ~/Desktop/home
[02:06] <intelikey> ricardo did you do that ?
[02:08] <max_> HI
[02:08] <ricardo> sorry...nature called...
[02:09] <max_> i've installed tor and privoxy with apt-get install
[02:09] <intelikey> it has a way of doing that....
[02:09] <max_> doh!
[02:09] <max_> is the right way?
[02:09] <intelikey> max yeah
[02:09] <ricardo> intelikey: i get
[02:09] <ricardo> Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 1184403 kB
[02:09] <ricardo> no label, UUID=81db5d5a-dcec-43ec-a6c7-67161ebf436d
[02:09] <ricardo> swapon: /dev/disk/by-uuid/2fdd2238-9ab2-41ed-a157-32e4dcb5e281: Operation not permitted
[02:10] <ricardo> so far no swap
[02:10] <intelikey> oh sorry  sudo swapon -a
[02:10] <intelikey> cause he can't use it.
[02:11] <max_> and...in your opinion is better konqueror or firefox?
[02:11] <intelikey> elinks
[02:11] <max_> -___________-
[02:11] <intelikey> does konqueror or ff work in the console ???
[02:11] <max_> uhm
[02:12] <intelikey> seeing that i don't normally use a gui....
[02:12] <max_> ah ok
[02:12] <max_> XD
[02:12] <max_> and you see dvds whit terminal?
[02:12] <max_> XD
[02:12] <intelikey> can yes.
[02:12] <acemo> isnt kde totaly build on qt?
[02:12] <intelikey> normally i watch avi fromat tho
[02:13] <max_> elinks could help my 56k connection?
[02:13] <max_> XD
[02:13] <ricardo> it worked intelikey!
[02:13] <ricardo> thx!
[02:13] <intelikey> np
[02:13] <max_> doh
[02:13] <intelikey> max_ wouldn't hurt it any.
[02:14] <intelikey> of course you cant hurt dialup very much it has .5 hit points to begin with.
[02:14] <max_> ah
[02:14] <max_> yes..but elinks hasn't images
[02:14] <acemo> kde is build on qt right?
[02:14] <intelikey> yes it does
[02:15] <max_> or not?
[02:15] <max_> ah ok
[02:15] <intelikey> acemo yes
[02:15] <intelikey> more or less
[02:15] <max_> sorry but i was a mac os user..i'm noob with kubuntu
[02:15] <acemo> so, if i am running kde, i should have qt installed right?
[02:17] <intelikey> max_ elinks can do graphics in the console  but you have to either use vgalibs  or kernel frame buffering which requires root permissions   so it has to have suid bit  which is not secure...
[02:17] <max_> uhm..if a program says to me to copy a file in a directory..that needs root privelig. is right this? cp namefile /dir/dir/etc?
[02:17] <max_> ah ok
[02:17] <intelikey> no
[02:17] <intelikey> sudo cp namefile /dir/dir/etc
[02:18] <max_> yes
[02:18] <max_> i installed elinks!
[02:18] <max_> lol
[02:19] <intelikey> max_ i'll warn you it's default white background   i have to change that to bare looking at it.
[02:19] <max_> ah ok.
[02:19] <intelikey> Jucato it doesn't do frames does it ?
[02:19] <intelikey> Jucato java script ?
[02:19] <intelikey> Jucato graphics  ?
[02:19] <Jucato> intelikey: nope. which reinforces what I said about "crude"
[02:19] <intelikey> Jucato ssl ?
[02:20] <Jucato> infinity even
[02:20] <intelikey> :)
[02:20] <KennethP> intelikey: What is the difference between lynx and elinks?
[02:20] <intelikey> most of the things i just mentioned ^
[02:20] <max_> uhm..there is something else that i can download with apt-get? is a fresh kubuntu version
[02:21] <max_> something to improve performance
[02:21] <max_> to speed up sistem
[02:21] <nothlit> elinks has a lot better layout handling
[02:21] <max_> (change pc XD)
[02:21] <intelikey> trimming the fat off the system would help.
[02:21] <nothlit> lynx is old, links2/elinks/w3m replace it
[02:22] <nothlit> intelikey, can't you run a directfb daemon?
[02:22] <intelikey> links2 does graphic and frames but no ssl
[02:23] <nothlit> yup, thats why i have all three installed
[02:23] <intelikey> nothlit has to be suid so no i can.
[02:23] <intelikey> elinks does all those  ^
[02:23] <nothlit> i read only the first directfb session has to be run as root, and then the clients don't have to be
[02:23] <ForgeAus> eeew text www browsing!
[02:23] <nothlit> which is why theres a daemon
[02:24] <Theory> text www browsing is great
[02:24] <ForgeAus> lol
[02:24] <ForgeAus> you thought I was serious?
[02:24] <Theory> it's like being back in the old days, when content matters
[02:25] <ForgeAus> have you seen how fast dillo goes?
[02:25] <intelikey> nothlit yes but i'm mounted all  "nosuid" which means tie'ing up a root console with frame buffering stuff for the duration   and it's also not real stable.
[02:25] <max_> sorry but my idea was right
[02:25] <max_> my 56k with elinks is faster....it's hasn't to load images
[02:26] <nothlit> Jucato, that won't go well with the masses using linux
[02:26] <cloakable> Jucato: True, but they should only have to use them if X breaks :P
[02:26] <ForgeAus> Jucato I've used lynx before
[02:26] <max_> so..thank you and bye!
[02:26] <ForgeAus> I don't mind it actually
[02:26] <cloakable> I've used w3m :/
[02:26] <Jucato> cloakable: which is why I said they should try
[02:26] <ForgeAus> w3m is kinda new to me
[02:26] <intelikey> cloakable it's not really about "haveing to"  it's about being able to.
[02:26] <Jucato> nothlit: I didn't say it was an absolute necessity, did I? :)
[02:27] <intelikey> yes you did.
[02:27] <Jucato> ??
[02:27] <ForgeAus> I always said a good website should be just as good in lynx!
[02:27] <intelikey> Jucato decreed that all linux user must learn cli
[02:27] <Jucato> intelikey: you're putting text into my keyboard
[02:27] <intelikey> or suffer the haxor of jucatoness
[02:27] <intelikey> :)
[02:27] <intelikey> yes i am.
[02:27] <Jucato> cloakable: epiphany?
[02:27] <ForgeAus> cloakable depends on what you need out of it...
[02:27] <nothlit> he decreed that they (all) must learn cli... eventually
[02:28] <ForgeAus> try dillo
[02:28] <ForgeAus> not sure if its gtk2 tho
[02:28] <cloakable> Jucato: Possibly.
[02:28] <cloakable> ForgeAus: Dillo is GTK, not GTK2. Wrong toolkit :P
[02:28] <ForgeAus> dillo is like rewind in time to netscape days
[02:28] <nothlit> isn't dillo using tk?
[02:28] <Valmarko> there is some problem with compiz instalation. It wasnt successful and now the system cant remove compiz-core. It shows an error
[02:29] <ForgeAus> nothlit probably
[02:29] <Jucato> lol at intelikely
[02:29] <cloakable> Epiphany is something I'm going to try :P
[02:29] <intelikey> oh sorry.
[02:29] <cloakable> Hmm, I wonder.
[02:29] <nothlit> Valmarko, sudo aptitude -f purge compiz-core
[02:29] <Valmarko> all rght nothlit. tnks
[02:30] <intelikey> nothlit gets tanked now....
[02:30] <Valmarko> :)
[02:30] <Valmarko> no more tanks
[02:30] <nothlit> oh ok, dillo is using gtk1, but planning (next release) to use gtk2 and theres a developing  FLTK2-based branch
[02:30] <Jucato> wb intelikey-poked
[02:30] <nothlit> complicated lol
[02:31] <Valmarko> lol
[02:31] <karmikaze> !beryl
[02:31] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[02:31] <karmikaze> uggg
[02:32] <karmikaze> i swearr there used to be an ubuntu page with beryl info...
[02:32] <karmikaze> beryl's site is always down
[02:32] <Valmarko> nothlit... it didnt work
[02:32] <intelikey> beryl is not supported by *buntu
[02:32] <Valmarko> here is the message:
[02:32] <Jucato> not yet, at least...
[02:33] <karmikaze> but when i setup beryl there was a walk through on one of the *ubuntu sites im sure
[02:33] <nothlit> !pastebin | Valmarko, if more than 3 lines
[02:33] <ubotu> Valmarko, if more than 3 lines: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:33] <Valmarko> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:33] <Valmarko> A package failed to install.  Trying to recover:
[02:33] <karmikaze> there it is
[02:33] <karmikaze> ubuntuforums
[02:33] <nothlit> wiki.beryl-project.org
[02:33] <nothlit> ^
[02:33] <karmikaze> site down nothlit
[02:33] <Valmarko> ok
[02:33] <nothlit> oh
[02:33] <Jucato> #ubuntu-xgl <---
[02:33] <karmikaze> site is always down this time of day
[02:33] <nothlit> !composite
[02:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about composite - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:33] <karmikaze> at least the past three days
[02:33] <karmikaze> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=263851
[02:33] <nothlit> !search composite
[02:33] <ubotu> Found: compositor-#xubuntu,howto-#ubuntu-xgl,gdm-#ubuntu-xgl,compiz,aiglx-#ubuntu-xgl
[02:34] <nothlit> !howto-#ubuntu-xgl
[02:34] <ubotu> To install Xgl/AIGLX and Compiz use: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager
[02:34] <nothlit> ^ ubuntu wiki
[02:34] <karmikaze> cheers
[02:34] <Valmarko> nothlit http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2531/
[02:35] <nothlit> Valmarko, thats it?
[02:35] <nothlit> Valmarko, why does it say failed to install? you were removing, not installing
[02:36] <Valmarko> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2532/
[02:36] <Valmarko> try this
[02:36] <nothlit> oh
[02:36] <nothlit> can you run LC_ALL=C sudo aptitude -f purge compiz-core
[02:37] <nothlit> for english ^^
[02:37] <Valmarko> ?
[02:37] <Valmarko> Do you want me to type that command ?
[02:37] <intelikey> hmmm  root___ gets around....   has ip's from ru za us br
[02:38] <nothlit> Valmarko, yeah, the command starts with LC_ALL=C
[02:38] <intelikey> LC_ALL=C ;sudo aptitude -f purge compiz-core
[02:39] <Valmarko> ok
[02:39] <nothlit> nooo not with ;
[02:39] <intelikey> without ; it will error out
[02:39] <pucko-> Hello. When I used suse some time ago I had a button in konqueror (file browsing mod) that allowed me to watch images in a sane way (all images as thumbnails to the left and a large image in the main window). Can I add that in kubuntu 6.10 as well?
[02:39] <nothlit> not in my experience
[02:39] <nothlit> with the ; wouldn't he need to export the var?
[02:39] <Valmarko> nothlit, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2533/    . Please
[02:39] <intelikey> try it    i could be wrong     but i'm not.
[02:40] <nothlit> intelikey, look at the pastebin, no error :P
[02:40] <nothlit> well no unexpected error
[02:40] <slacosse> just upgraded to 6.1 ubuntu.  the firefox wont run now.
[02:40] <intelikey> i see errors
[02:40] <intelikey> but ; wont stop them
[02:40] <nothlit> intelikey, that was the error he already had
[02:40] <nothlit> its just in english now :)
[02:41] <intelikey> but no he wouldn't need to export with ; either.
[02:41] <nothlit> Valmarko, aptitude show gconf-schemas
[02:42] <Valmarko> ok
[02:43] <Valmarko> nothlit,   E: Unable to locate package gconf-schemas
[02:43] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[02:43] <nothlit> intelikey, nope, because the var is only set for that single command, with ; it becomes a seperate command
[02:43] <Valmarko> I typed : sudo aptitude show gconf-schemas
[02:44] <nothlit> intelikey, i just tried it to make sure
[02:45] <nothlit> Valmarko, yeah gimme a sec, i need to chroot into my ubuntu install
[02:45] <Valmarko> ok, nop
[02:45] <intelikey> LC_ALL is a special var.   doesn't work like apritrary veriables
[02:45] <intelikey> i was just testing with it tooo
[02:46] <intelikey> what do you think before you test this,  will it echo anything or not?       Q=1 T=2 echo "$Q $T"
[02:46] <intelikey> and what about this one?      Q=1 ;T=2 ;echo "$Q $T"
[02:47] <intelikey> i'm used to using that kind of veriables...  not used to messing with special veriables.
[02:49] <intelikey> ok smarty pants  what's that other word  ^   ?
[02:49] <Valmarko> * Valmarko thinks of pointers
[02:49] <intelikey> lol
[02:50] <intelikey> Valmarko that's not C
[02:50] <Valmarko> :)
[02:50] <intelikey> those are not pointers     sorry
[02:52] <intelikey> :)
[02:52] <nothlit> Valmarko, did you have gnome installed when you installed compiz?
[02:52] <Jucato> lol
[02:52] <sebbar> hi guys, can directx based games actually be ported to linux?
[02:53] <intelikey> no i fi can figure out how to export jucato to /bin/bash ....
[02:53] <intelikey> now
[02:53] <Jucato> if*
[02:53] <nothlit> Valmarko, anyways, you can either edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/compiz-core.prerm or install gconf and then remove compiz-core
[02:53] <intelikey> see
[02:53] <Valmarko> No. KDE from the beginning
[02:53] <Valmarko> umm... mybe gconf
[02:54] <nothlit> Valmarko, well maybe you installed a gnome/gtk app and then removed it?
[02:54] <intelikey> or one could   sudo ln -s /bin/true /bin/gconf-schemas    remove the app and rm the link
[02:54] <intelikey> may not be the cleanest but it should work.
[02:55] <intelikey> quick and simple.
[02:55] <nothlit> you mean /usr/bin/gconf-schemas?
[02:55] <intelikey> nothlit it uses full path looks to me like so it doesn't matter where in the path
[02:56] <intelikey>  /bin is less typing
[02:56] <Valmarko> it worked :)
[02:56] <nothlit> this is what one of my prerm files say if [ "$1" = remove ]  || [ "$1" = upgrade ] ; then        gconf-schemas --unregister yelp.schemas
[02:56] <Valmarko> the only thing I did: sudo ln -s /bin/true /bin/gconf-schemas
[02:57] <Valmarko> And the sudo apt-get remove compiz-core
[02:57] <nothlit> :)
[02:57] <nothlit> now go remove /bin/gconf-schemas
[02:57] <intelikey> now remove the link and you are good to go
[02:57] <Valmarko> strange ... What is the meaning of sudo ln -s /bin/true /bin/gconf-schemas ?
[02:57] <intelikey> yeah that
[02:58] <Jucato> make a symbolic link (symlink)
[02:58] <intelikey> made a symbolic link to /bin/true
[02:58] <nothlit> you links the 'program' /bin/gconf-schemas to a program that outputs a true/succesfull message
[02:58] <Valmarko> should I tank you guys ? :)
[02:58] <intelikey> yep
[02:58] <nothlit> it links*
[02:59] <intelikey> nothlit gets tanked now....
[02:59] <intelikey> :)
[02:59] <Valmarko> lol
[02:59] <nothlit> intelikey, you meant tanked with error messages i assume
[03:00] <intelikey> na man tanked wif gratifaction
[03:00] <Valmarko> lol
[03:01] <Valmarko> I'm happy I could tank you all with no problems. Everybody is happy. That's the spirit of Ubunut :)
[03:01] <intelikey> the typo king is at it again.
[03:01] <Valmarko> Ubuntu
[03:02] <nothlit> haha Ubunut. "Everybody in this channel is an Ubunut."
[03:02] <Valmarko> lol . the land of Ubunut
[03:02] <intelikey> not me i'm a kubunut
[03:02] <intelikey> tank you very much
[03:03] <intelikey> :)
[03:04] <intelikey> nothlit you never did answer me.  but that's ok.  just wondered if you saw that  ^
[03:05] <nothlit> Jucato, half?
[03:05] <Jucato> yes. half
[03:05] <Jucato> intelikey isn't full Kubunut either
[03:06] <nothlit> intelikey, sorry, only deal with env vars
[03:06] <Valmarko> I guess I've just created a new name . I need to copyright it :)
[03:06] <intelikey> you aint half of me chump.   step off, or throw down; clown.    man i'll bus you up sum.
[03:06] <Theory> are kubunuts also ubunuts
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[03:06] <Jucato> what you say becomes you :)
[03:07] <Theory> (presumably pronounced ubernut)
[03:07] <intelikey> thank you  lol
[03:07] <Jucato> no, pronounced as ooh-boo-noot :P
[03:07] <intelikey> ooh boo nut
[03:07] <Jucato> noot
[03:07] <Jucato> not nut
[03:08] <intelikey> na i have to dis on ya
[03:08] <intelikey> you say potahto
[03:08] <nothlit> Yeah its not self deprecating and amusing if its noot instead of nut
[03:09] <intelikey> what he said
[03:09] <intelikey> i think
[03:10] <intelikey> maybe.
[03:10] <Jucato> maybe not
[03:10] <Jucato> fine! uh-buh-nut!
[03:11] <intelikey> ok noot then.
[03:11] <Jucato> lol
[03:11] <Theory> maybe ooh-boo-naut?
[03:11] <intelikey> well that messes everything up.
[03:12] <intelikey> would that be more kin to a cosmonaut or an aquanaut ?
[03:12] <intelikey> psiber uh bu naut
[03:12] <Jucato> rolfmao
[03:13] <Theory> yes it's spelt "ubunut" but it's pronounced "throat-warbler mangrove"
[03:14] <david> hello
[03:14] <intelikey> lol   ok that one did it.  now i know we are all bored to death.  i'm leaving.
[03:14] <nothlit> I think of  it as ooh-boo-nut or ooh-<boo>-nut
[03:14] <david> how install beryl?
[03:14] <intelikey> later gents
[03:14] <nothlit> !hi | david
[03:14] <ubotu> david: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[03:14] <nothlit> !beryl | david
[03:14] <ubotu> david: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[03:14] <Jucato> !bye | intelikey
[03:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bye - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:14] <david> hi
[03:14] <Jucato> lol
[03:14] <nothlit> Jucato, you're not allowed to leave
[03:14] <intelikey> cant spell /uqit
[03:14] <intelikey> correctly
[03:14] <Jucato> !quit | intelikey
[03:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about quit - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:14] <Jucato> ok ok.. nuff... :P
[03:14] <nothlit> than type /wc several times
[03:15] <david> thanks
[03:16] <david> sorry im spanish the chanel xgl is english!
[03:16] <david> :)))
[03:16] <Jucato> this is also an English channel :)))
[03:16] <Jucato> but looks like you can speak English but if you want
[03:16] <Jucato> !es | david
[03:16] <ubotu> david: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[03:17] <bxnp> !nl | bxnp
[03:17] <ubotu> bxnp: Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu (en vers gezette koffie) is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl
[03:18] <david> ahhh ok
[03:18] <david> thanks
[03:18] <david> godbye
[03:19] <Valmarko> I'm portuguese but I like this channel because I can contribute creating new words :)
[03:29] <Valmarko> Maybe a ... Ubuntu language ^?
[03:30] <nothlit> jargon lingo geekspeek
[03:43] <MsgToThePpl> hi som1 can help m e w/btooth ?
[03:44] <Eyeless> !flash
[03:44] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:44] <Eyeless> !flash9
[03:44] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[03:46] <elyon> Does anyone know how to fix the 'static' in my sound?  Not all sounds are staticy, but enough to be annoying.  I've tried ALSA, OSS, Enlightened sound systems, but it hasn't helped.
[03:46] <elyon> !sound
[03:46] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[03:46] <Eyeless> !backports
[03:46] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[03:55] <elyon> Does anyone know how to fix the 'static' in my sound?  Not all sounds are staticy, but enough to be annoying.  I've tried ALSA, OSS, Enlightened sound systems, but it hasn't helped.
[03:57] <cmiller> what hardware do you have?
[03:59] <Pupeno> Any idea of a program to create and print CD labels ?
[04:00] <elyon> cmiller: I have an onboard Ensoniq.
[04:00] <elyon> No, sorry, I actually think it's PCI.
[04:06] <crimsun> hmm, static.
[04:06] <crimsun> wonder if it's the broken VRA business.
[04:06] <stdin> Pupeno: labels for the disk, or for case inserts ?
[04:08] <cmiller> you can look for it in http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/index.php/cat/23
[04:08] <cmiller> however, I've never heard of your audio device before.  it may be so new/obscure that a driver does not yet exist.
[04:09] <elyon> cmiller: It's definitely the complete OPPOSITE of new ;)
[04:09] <elyon> But most MP3's play fine and so do movies... it's just occassional mp3 and games...
[04:09] <Pupeno> stdin: for the disk.
[04:10] <stdin> Pupeno: maybe cd-circleprint is what you're looking for
[04:11] <stdin> !info cd-circleprint
[04:11] <ubotu> cd-circleprint: prints round cd-labels. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.1-1 (edgy), package size 80 kB, installed size 232 kB
[04:18] <eeos> has anyone ever been able to make ALI 560x based webcam work on kubuntu?
[04:22] <bronze_0_1> wow- lots of apt-cache hists for quicktime stuff!    Can anyone hint me which package to install to get thw whole dependncy tree installed? I can' t tell which package is the seminal point of the tree
[04:23] <ForgeAus> is there a kioslave for rar?
[04:24] <Jucato> ForgeAus: afaik, none
[04:25] <Jucato> bronze_0_1: what are you looking for?
[04:25] <paolo> Hi. when I launch xset (in order to blank the screen) sometimes I see an image with the char "X"... how can i remove it?
[04:25] <bronze_0_1> Jucato: QUICKTIME SUPPORT IN FIREFOX
[04:25] <bronze_0_1> oops
[04:25] <bronze_0_1> sorry
[04:25] <groobson> hi, who knows what's the best file manager? clear-look & funcionally..
[04:26] <elyon> Could someone suggest a good alternative to Limewire?
[04:26] <Jucato> bronze_0_1: oh.... sorry...
[04:26] <Jucato> !firewire | elyon
[04:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about firewire - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:27] <RockT> elyon, frostwire
[04:27] <RockT> limewire is bad
[04:27] <elyon> RockT: Hence the reason I'd like an alternative ;)
[04:27] <peter__> I'm trying to set up Ekiga but get a message saying STUN is blocked. I'm not sure what to do. Can anyone  help?
[04:28] <bronze_0_1> !quicktime
[04:28] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:28] <bronze_0_1> heh, i should have knoen that. :-)
[04:29] <RockT> hence I said frostwire :)
[04:29] <elyon> RockT: I've downloaded frostwire, but for some reason KDE doesn't have a package manager to install it?
[04:29] <rockprincess> hello! how does pairing with bluetooth devices work on kubuntu? there doesn't seem to be a pin agent, is there?
[04:30] <elyon> oh, nevermind... Isee how
[04:30] <RockT> frostwire is a java app installed in just one folder
[04:30] <RockT> I did not use a package
[04:31] <elyon> okay, well frostwire sucks too... crashes whenever I run it lol
[04:31] <rockprincess> !bluetooth
[04:31] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[04:34] <mariux> does kubuntu come with qtparted?
[04:34] <RockT> elyon, what java are you using?
[04:35] <elyon> RockT: I never personally installed it.
[04:35] <elyon> mariux: No.  You need to install that package manually.
[04:35] <mariux> can i do that on the livecd?
[04:35] <Lynoure> mariux: yes, but not preinstalled.
[04:35] <eross> here i sit all broken-hearted, had to sit but only qtparted
[04:35] <mariux> thanks
[04:35] <eross> <sry
[04:35] <elyon> mariux: Sure can. :)
[04:37] <plagiats> bye everyone
[04:42] <max_> hi
[04:42] <stdin> hey :)
[04:42] <stdin> okay then
[04:52] <eeos> does anyone know where is the file v4l2-dev.h
[04:54] <Jucato> eeos: what is that?
[04:55] <eeos> Jucato a file for webcam driver compilation
[04:55] <Jucato> hm...
[04:55] <stdin> eeos: it seems to be in the kernel source/headers
[04:55] <eeos> stdin I did not find it
[04:55] <stdin> at least in the 2.6.19 kernel it is
[04:55] <HymnToLife> eean, sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[04:55] <eeos> stdin ach!
[04:55] <eeos> HymnToLife yes already done
[04:55] <stdin>  /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.19-7/include/media/v4l2-dev.h
[04:56] <eeos> stdin kubuntu 6.10 has 2.6.17-10-generic
[04:56] <eeos> stdin where did you get 2.6.19?
[04:56] <stdin> eeos: it's an older kernel from feisty
[04:57] <stdin> I'm on 2.6.20-5 in feisty now
[04:57] <eeos> stdin: that is not exactly production, isn't it. :P
[04:57] <eeos> stdin does 2.6.19 give problems=
[04:58] <stdin> it had a couple bugs, but I'm using 2.6.20, which is nice :)
[04:58] <eeos> stdin :P
[05:00] <eeos> stdin backports?
[05:00] <stdin> eeos: no, it won't be in backports
[05:01] <eeos> stdin :(
[05:01] <stdin> you can download the stock kernel from kernel.org
[05:01] <eeos> stdin do you think 6.10 may work with 2.6.20-5
[05:01] <eeos> stdin I do not know the patches introduced by ubuntu, woud need a list.
[05:02] <smoze> hi!! how can i kill the KDE wallet application???
[05:03] <meta4ical> hello?
[05:03] <stdin> smoze: probably "killall kwalletmanager"
[05:05] <Dr_willis> hmm.
[05:05] <smoze> no, there's the problem... i've removed the manager but the damn wallet just keeps showing up.
[05:06] <K-Ryan> good morning #kubuntu
[05:06] <stdin> eeos: download the deb from ubuntu
[05:09] <eeos> stdin which deb, for the kernel or for the patches?
[05:13] <malik> what is the difference between xine-lib-1.1.2 and libxine *****?
[05:13] <Dr_willis> !info libxine
[05:13] <Thehound666> hi, I'm looking at making my most powerful machine dual boot instead of VM for Kubuntu but I need 2 Windows apps all the time.
[05:13] <Jucato> Kubuntu doesn't use the xine-lib name
[05:13] <ubotu> Package libxine does not exist in any distro I know
[05:13] <Thehound666> is WINE usually rubbish or something special need to be done?
[05:13] <Dr_willis> Thehound666,  all depends on the apps you are running with wine.
[05:14] <Thehound666> 2 single tiny .exes
[05:14] <Jucato> !info libxine1 | Dr_willis
[05:14] <ubotu> libxine1: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.2+repacked1-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 3146 kB, installed size 6820 kB
[05:14] <Thehound666> http-tunnelclient.exe
[05:14] <Thehound666> and pingfu.exe
[05:14] <Dr_willis> Thehound666,  most likely there are alternative ways to do whatever those do - under linux.
[05:14] <Thehound666> haven't found one
[05:15] <Thehound666> they bypass firewalls over http using their own servers
[05:16] <malik> !xine-lib
[05:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xine-lib - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:16] <Jucato> malik: <Jucato> Kubuntu doesn't use the xine-lib name
[05:17] <Jucato> it uses libxine instead
[05:17] <Thehound666> so if you do know an alternative to that for Linux, I'd like to hear it
[05:18] <Dr_willis> sounds like somthing that can get you fired at work.. :) but if you had outside servers.. you could always use ssh and its tunneling features.
[05:18] <malik> Jucato: so both packages are same just diff names?
[05:18] <Jucato> malik: afaik, yes
[05:18] <Thehound666> actually school and I'm friends with IT
[05:18] <Thehound666> so it's no issue
[05:19] <Thehound666> they already know
[05:19] <malik> i am sooooooo annoyed with my installation i am thinkin of wiping it out and then may be install it again
[05:21] <Thehound666> I think VMWare would be able to run them
[05:21] <Thehound666> but using it as last resort
[05:22] <malik> oki can some one tell me if the firefox from mozilla website is better than the one from ubuntu repos?
[05:22] <Theory> 'better' ?
[05:22] <Thehound666> am I correct assuming VMWare can do it?
[05:22] <Dr_willis> getting the rest of the OS to then use the vmware tunnles would be the harder part.
[05:22] <K-Ryan> malik i think the repo one is just easier to install
[05:22] <Dr_willis> vmware can run the whole windows OS. so yes it shoudl be able to do it.
[05:23] <Dr_willis> http://dag.wieers.com/howto/ssh-http-tunneling/   sounds about the same as what you are doing.
[05:23] <malik> i mean mine which i downloaded from repos keeps crashing alot of the times n then it can play streamin media from ninemsn.com.au whereas other ppl have stable installations and some can play that website
[05:23] <Thehound666> right now I got all my Linux connect via the tunnels via a hub switch and 2nd NIC
[05:23] <Thehound666> :)
[05:24] <malik> i mean mine which i downloaded from repos keeps crashing alot of the times n then it cant* play streamin media from ninemsn.com.au whereas other ppl have stable installations and some can play that website
[05:24] <Thehound666> but the computer that's the forwarder is getting changed
[05:24] <Thehound666> sick of Wintrash
[05:25] <Thehound666> I'll use nlite to make the most minimal Windows install ever for the VM
[05:25] <Thehound666> very simple .exes :)
[05:27] <Thehound666> heh I'll be even able to take out things like sound
[05:27] <Thehound666> this will rock
[05:27] <Theory> install win95? :-)
[05:27] <Thehound666> one of them is 2k/xp only
[05:27] <Thehound666> not sure why
[05:27] <Thehound666> otherwise that would be fabulous idea
[05:28] <Theory> out of interest, what are the two apps you need?
[05:28] <Thehound666> http-tunnelclient.exe and pingfu.exe
[05:28] <Thehound666> so I can run certain apps behind a firewall without external servers of my own
[05:29] <Thehound666> one's low ping for games
[05:29] <Thehound666> one's more general use
[05:30] <Theory> hrm
[05:30] <Thehound666> I can make xp smaller than 95 if you know me ;)
[05:30] <Tm_T> Thehound666: In what game?
[05:30] <Tm_T> ;--P
[05:31] <Thehound666> on nix not sure yet
[05:31] <Thehound666> used to play FFXI
[05:31] <Thehound666> alot
[05:31] <Theory> there are various http tunnelling apps for linux
[05:31] <Thehound666> but they all need your own server
[05:31] <Thehound666> that I saw
[05:31] <MetaMorfoziS> ssh -X  ;)
[05:31] <Theory> the windows one you pay a monthly fee for right?
[05:31] <Thehound666> for high speed on one, yes
[05:32] <Theory> or do you use the free low-bandwidth service?
[05:32] <Thehound666> the other not at all
[05:32] <Thehound666> I test their betas
[05:32] <Thehound666> thus get it free
[05:32] <Theory> you could probably port one of the linux options to work with their server with a bit of work :-)
[05:34] <Thehound666> pingfu looked more promising on wine, it'd connect and full GUI loaded
[05:34] <Thehound666> but enter your key and crash
[05:34] <Thehound666> and it wouldn't remember after the crash
[05:34] <Dr_willis> the idea of a program running under wine, or vmware, that some how reduces lag in games on the linux box.. seems... odd...
[05:34] <Alarm> is ti possible to add gkrellm when minimized to be on the taskbar ?
[05:34] <etheri> hi. I have a a package that has started playing up over the last few days. apt-get removing it wants to pull in kubuntu-desktop. Is this important or is it just a meta package? can I just remove the package sans dependencies?
[05:35] <Dr_willis> Alarm,  i belve you can some how add it to the  "Dock Application Bar" panel.
[05:35] <Thehound666> it doesn't reduce lag it's just a low ping tunnel
[05:35] <Theory> etheri: what package, and do you want to remove it or reinstall it?
[05:35] <Thehound666> ordinarily, the games are blocked
[05:35] <Thehound666> by firewall
[05:35] <Jucato> etheri: it's just a metapackage. but make sure you reinstall it before you dist-upgrade to the next release
[05:35] <Alarm> Dr_willis, what do u mean with dock application bar ?
[05:35] <Dr_willis> so you have the same high ping.. the games just let you in anyway thinking you have a low ping..
[05:35] <Thehound666> no
[05:36] <Thehound666> do you know what a firewall does?
[05:36] <etheri> Theory: kaffeine. I want to reinstall it.
[05:36] <Thehound666> it blocks certain ports
[05:36] <Dr_willis> Alarm,  right click on the panel, Add New Panel --> dock application bar. Its designed to let you dock windowmaker type docks
[05:36] <Theory> etheri: apt-get install --reinstall may be what you want
[05:36] <Thehound666> if the game uses blocked ports and you tunnel them over http or https
[05:36] <brett> i do not think my computer supports audio mixing. How do I change my settings so that it will?
[05:36] <Thehound666> the firewall will not block
[05:36] <K-Ryan> Dr_willis sometimes it does affect games.
[05:36] <K-Ryan> Go figure
[05:36] <Dr_willis> 0r is it just a poorly named program.
[05:36] <Theory> Dr_willis: rather than thinking 'low' think 'less horribly high'
[05:37] <Thehound666> my pings to FFXI servers in Japan are 300 ms
[05:37] <Dr_willis> a specific app that lets you get to specific games that have users that dont use that app blocked...
[05:37] <brett> hello?
[05:37] <Dr_willis> Howdy brett
[05:37] <Thehound666> so they don't have bad servers
[05:38] <brett> i am trying to get my computer to support audio mixing, Dr_willis can you help?
[05:38] <etheri> Theory: cheers, I thought I'd used an option like that in the past but couldn't remember if it was in apt-get
[05:38] <etheri> Jucato: thanks, nice to know :)
[05:38] <Theory> etheri: your problem may be caused by your user-specific config files, which apt-get --reinstall won't touch
[05:39] <Dr_willis> brett,  proberly not. Ive had good luck with my Audigy cards and have rarely had sound issues. a lot of that stuff depends on the specific apps and what sound servers they are using.
[05:39] <Thehound666> If I got a Unix shell maybe I could ssh forward with that
[05:39] <Thehound666> might want to check them out
[05:39] <brett> Dr_willis: ok
[05:39] <brett> Can someone help me trouble shoot a sound issue?
[05:39] <etheri> Theory: well, only one way to find out. If I leave this channel in the next few minutes it'll be because my computer crashed, again :D
[05:40] <Thehound666> well I'll do the VMWare alternative as I look for Unix shell hosts
[05:40] <Thehound666> thanks for trying to help
[05:40] <Thehound666> and I know you tried
[05:40] <Thehound666> I checked Google very well
[05:41] <Thehound666> seems many people were frustrated with WINE and the http-tunnelclient one
[05:41] <Thehound666> with no answers :P
[05:41] <Thehound666> on the net
[05:42] <Thehound666> the other=too new for most people to have tried wine yet on it
[05:43] <Thehound666> but it almost looks promising
[05:43] <Thehound666> so I'll check back in a month or 2
[05:43] <Thehound666> on that one
[05:44] <Thehound666> I'll bbl, thanks again
[05:47] <mineur> is there a frontend for openssl?
[05:47] <Dr_willis> !find openssl
[05:47] <ubotu> Found: libcurl3-openssl-dev, libxmlsec1-openssl, openssl, pyopenssl-doc, python-pyopenssl (and 9 others)
[05:52] <Minataku> Isn't OpenSSL just a library?
[05:52] <Minataku> I didn't think it came with any tools
[05:53] <mineur> that's why I'm looking for a frontend :)
[05:53] <mineur> it's all command line :)
[05:53] <Minataku> Ah
[05:53] <Pensacola> how to configure the extra keys on my keyboard? like mail and calculator and stuff?
[05:53] <Minataku> I didn't think there was even any configuration to it
[05:53] <Minataku> Pensacola: It depends
[05:54] <Minataku> If they're actual keys, that is, they send a specific scancode, then yes
[05:54] <Minataku> If they're set up to interface to some piece of proprietary software then no
[05:54] <Minataku> I could be wrong on the latter, but I've never heard of anyone getting those kinds of bogus keys to function without that specific crap
[05:55] <Pensacola> they worked in dapper with a special program, haven't looked into it with edgy since volume, play and next/previous number work flawless :)
[05:55] <Minataku> Oh, in that case then the same program should be available in Edgy
[05:55] <mineur> my media keys on my laptop work... not that I ever use them tho :d
[05:55] <Minataku> I don't see why it wouldn't be, at any rate
[05:56] <Minataku> Mine would if I had the drive to actually set them up in fnfxd
[05:56] <HymnToLife> mine work.. and I still don't use them :p
[05:56] <Theory> I'm quite impressed that the mute indicator light on my keyboard works
[05:56] <mineur> blah, found a windows GUI for openssl :)
[05:56] <Minataku> lol
[05:57] <Minataku> mineur: Don't count out CLI-based frontends
[05:57] <Minataku> You can bend the CLI into something that functions a whole lot like a GUI thanks to ncurses
[05:58] <ady33> This is my first time using IRC from linux. Hello all?
[05:58] <Minataku> Hello
[05:58] <K-Ryan> Hi there
[05:58] <mein_traum> http://mibssam.free.fr/
[05:58] <ady33> Glad it works. I installed a dual bootlast night. Before hand I was using the live CD
[05:58] <HymnToLife> !hi | ady33
[05:58] <ubotu> ady33: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[05:58] <Minataku> mein_traum: No spamming, thanks.
[05:58] <ady33> tnx nice to have it all up and running
[05:59] <Minataku> Please leave all promotional materials at the door where at the end of the day they will be bundled and discarded
[05:59] <malik> how do i restore default settings for Kate?
[06:00] <Minataku> malik: Wait a week, she'll go back to normal
[06:00] <TheInfinity> malik: delete the settings in your home dir
[06:00] <Minataku> *rimshot*
[06:01] <malik> LOLz
[06:01] <yuriy> malik: rm ~/.kde/share/config/katerc
[06:01] <yuriy> would be one way to do it
[06:01] <malik> cool .........so it will regenrate itself?
[06:01] <yuriy> yeah
[06:01] <Minataku> Barring mysterious catastrophe, yes
[06:02] <malik> LOLz im willin to take that risk
[06:02] <TheInfinity> ~/.kde/share/apps/kate is also a kate dir ...
[06:02] <malik> im itching to reinstall my distro anyway coz its now playin up
[06:02] <ady33> Well I am pleased to see there is a IRC room just for kubuntu. I look forward to getting on here regularly. For now need to log off. All the best..... from ady in London
[06:02] <andreasw> cya ady33
[06:02] <K-Ryan> bye ady33
[06:03] <renato> hi all, I have a doubt (so you see what sort of beginner I am) I wanted to set up a little web and mail server. How many fixed IP do I need? I mean I wanted something like www.mydomain.com for the web and server.mydomain.com for pop/smtp
[06:04] <TheInfinity> you need one fixed IP
[06:04] <Dr_willis> just 1 would be my guess.
[06:04] <Minataku> renato: Indeed, you use subdomains to point to specific places
[06:04] <memo_> Hello
[06:04] <Minataku> It's called "virtual hosting", it works in a rather similar manner to chroot
[06:04] <TheInfinity> you can have many services on one site, but you have to use subdomains in your config
[06:05] <renato> Minataku but for having subdomains don't I need more than on ip
[06:05] <Minataku> renato: Nope
[06:05] <Minataku> Only one
[06:05] <Dr_willis> heck ya can have several dozen web servers on 1 ip cant ya.
[06:05] <renato> do I googlw sub domain or is there any howto any of you can point me out to?
[06:05] <TheInfinity> i have lots of subdomains but only one server renato ;)
[06:05] <Minataku> Yeah, a particular subdomain on one address may point to something entirely different
[06:06] <Minataku> One server, one static IP is plenty
[06:06] <Minataku> Subdomains fill in the rest
[06:07] <fdoving> if you need multiple https sites, i'd recommend more ips.
[06:07] <renato> Subdomains: What's a subdomain? | Web Hosting for Beginners... this seems me :=)
[06:07] <gourdin> is 3.5.6 ready to roll ? :)
[06:07] <fdoving> renato: sub.domain.tld
[06:07] <fdoving> renato: sub is the subdomain.
[06:07] <billytwowilly> so if I have a bash script that runs "exec ./et.x86 "$@"" and I want artsdsp run with the et.x86 stuff as an option how would I modify the script?
[06:08] <renato> fdoving, not sure what you are trying to tell me....
[06:08] <Dr_willis> billytwowilly,  put it on the line above the exec line with a & at the end.
[06:08] <fdoving> renato: you can have foo.example.com and bar.example.com hosted on one server.
[06:08] <renato> ah, I got it... slow...
[06:08] <billytwowilly> Dr_willis: thanks
[06:08] <Dr_willis> or ya mean as a option TO that command.. could just tack it on the end after the first "
[06:09] <Dr_willis> but $@ means somthingspecial.. i forget what.. command line options perhaps...
[06:09] <fdoving> renato: doesn't have to be a sub-domain either. you can have 'www.example.com' and 'www.foo.com' on the same server too.
[06:09] <TheInfinity> renato: and it depends of the application howto config it using subdomains
[06:09] <renato> fdloving, can you  (from the top of your head) point me out to any usefull howto?
[06:10] <mena> Friends What Is the Right comand to make the permision Of accessing the partitions and files for just one user
[06:10] <renato> I founf it'as definition, but no info on how to set it up
[06:10] <malik> thanx guyz it worked
[06:10] <mena> Friends What Is the Right comand to make the permision Of accessing the partitions and files for just one user and also write permsision
[06:11] <malik> TheInfinity, yuriy: thanx
[06:12] <TheInfinity> renato:  ... i have a german tutorial for mailservers, just searching it in english ... apache is really easy, just use google
[06:12] <tom_> hello
[06:12] <tazz> hey Seveas
[06:13] <kalpik> hi! any idea why i get corrupted graphics in the boot progress bar on kubuntu amd64?
[06:13] <renato> I am not (at this stage) trying to have more than one web domain, but having one domain for my webpage and one for my mail server
[06:13] <TheInfinity> found it: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/index.shtml.en <-- this is a quite nice howto for postfix + courir mail + virtual domains
[06:13] <fdoving> renato: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/412
[06:14] <fdoving> renato: you might also want to browse http://howtoforge.com - lots of usefull howtos.
[06:14] <TheInfinity> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/en/vhosts/name-based.html <-- virtual domains for apache
[06:15] <renato> tx fdloving
[06:20] <malik> whats the equal of gconf in kubuntu?
[06:21] <Kyral> malik: GConf doesn't exist in KDE
[06:21] <Kyral> THANK GOD
[06:21] <cap^com> what is gconf for?
[06:21] <malik> so whats the equal of that then?
[06:21] <Kyral> malik: There is none
[06:21] <Kyral> Everything is controlled with the Control Center
[06:22] <Kyral> cap^com: Its GNOMEs way of hiding all the configuration options they think are too advanced for people
[06:22] <Minataku> No hidden options, no mysterious unchangeable things
[06:22] <malik> i wanna modify the url handler applications for rtsp urls embedded in webpages
[06:22] <Kyral> cap^com: Think Windows Registry
[06:22] <MidMark> hi, someone know how they works ati/amd chipset with kubuntu? are there problems?
[06:23] <Kyral> malik: What is its MIMEType?
[06:24] <malik> smil and rm,ram, etc
[06:24] <Kyral> malik: Control Center -> KDE Components -> File Associations
[06:25] <Kyral> in the "Known Types" box find "uri" and then add it
[06:25] <Jucato> System Settings in Kubuntu
[06:25] <Kyral> psh
[06:25] <Kyral> Thats one of the most rediculas name changes
[06:25] <dope> when i try to ssh into my comp at home from a different IP i get an error
[06:25] <Jucato> er.. actually, it's not in System Settings...
[06:26] <dope> like a warning i'm being hacked or something
[06:26] <Kyral> Jucato: Its in KControl :P
[06:26] <Kyral> dope: The RSA thing?
[06:26] <dope> yea
[06:26] <Jucato> in Kubuntu you'd have to reach it through Konqueror -> Settings -> COnfigure Konqueror
[06:26] <Kyral> Yah means the RSA key is already been assigned to another comp
[06:26] <Jucato> Kyral: you do have to remember that KControl is not in the K Menu by default in Kubuntu
[06:26] <Kyral> You can ignore it if you know that
[06:26] <Kyral> Jucato: It should be :P
[06:26] <dope> how do i ignore it
[06:27] <Jucato> Kyral: tell it to the marines
[06:27] <Kyral> dope: It should say how
[06:27] <Jucato> I mean the devs
[06:27] <dope> ok yea i think it does
[06:28] <Kyral> I get that when my server gets its IP changed
[06:28] <Minataku> Oh, yeah, that warning
[06:28] <malik> i cant find it in system settings
[06:28] <Kyral> malik: Fire up a terminal and run KControl
[06:28] <Minataku> What is it, it's ~/<something>/known_hosts or summat
[06:29] <USERNAME> hell mindenkinek
[06:30] <malik> it says command not found
[06:31] <Kyral> just kcontrol then
[06:31] <Jucato> in Kubuntu you'd have to reach it through Konqueror -> Settings -> COnfigure Konqueror
[06:37] <malik> how do i add control settings to kmenu?
[06:37] <Jucato> malik: right-click on the K Menu -> menu Editor
[06:38] <malik> after that?
[06:39] <tehpwn> !topic
[06:39] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[06:43] <bi1> /p
[06:44] <tehpwn> !nickserv
[06:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nickserv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:44] <tehpwn> !nick
[06:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nick - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:44] <MidMark> hi, someone know how they works ati/amd chipset with kubuntu? are there problems?
[06:51] <kkosmo> hi somone in firefox i get an eror unknown plugin what i need to do for fix this error
[06:51] <kkosmo> ?
[06:51] <kkosmo> i get it when i try to install a plugin for some page
[06:51] <K-Ryan> what plugin?
[06:52] <kkosmo> its show unknown plugin
[06:52] <K-Ryan> what are you trying to do?
[06:52] <kkosmo> sec
[06:52] <kkosmo> i take screenshot
[06:53] <Minataku> I know what he's talking about, it probably went through the paces, failed and told him "Unknown Plugin" then gave a button that says "Manual Install"
[06:53] <Minataku> It'll happen if Firefox is denied permission to install a plugin or it just plain can't
[06:54] <kkosmo> yes
[06:54] <kkosmo> how i can fix it
[06:54] <kkosmo> man
[06:54] <kkosmo> ?
[06:55] <Minataku> You'll have to manually install the plugin. Which one was it?
[06:56] <kkosmo> application/x-oleobject
[06:56] <Minataku> No, that's the MIME type, I need the name of the plugin
[06:57] <kkosmo> unkonown
[06:57] <kkosmo> it sho
[06:57] <kkosmo> show
[06:59] <Minataku> Click "Manual Install" and tell me where it sends you
[07:00] <kkosmo> secx
[07:00] <Minataku> Heya, genii
[07:01] <kkosmo> man i dont have
[07:01] <kkosmo> manual install
[07:01] <Alarm> why when installing mstt fonts from adept_manager i see also some .exe being downloaded ?
[07:01] <Minataku> kkosmo: It doesn't give you the "Manual Install" option on the screen it says "Unknown Plugin"?
[07:01] <genii> Minataku Hi
[07:01] <kkosmo> tes
[07:01] <kkosmo> yes
[07:01] <Minataku> kkosmo: If there's no "Manual Install" option then there is no plugin available
[07:02] <kkosmo> ok
[07:02] <Minataku> In which case you probably didn't want to see whatever the plugin would show anyway
[07:02] <Minataku> Usually it's because some site wants to give you exciting new advertisements
[07:03] <slow-motion> hallo
[07:04] <Minataku> Hi
[07:07] <Dr_willis> !loop
[07:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about loop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:07] <Dr_willis> !iso
[07:07] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[07:08] <genii> Dr_willis I found it needs the -t <fstype> switch usually as well
[07:08] <Dr_willis> I got these lame CUE/bins - k3b burnt one of them.. but dont like the other 2..
[07:09] <surgy> Dr_willis:this will work with psx iso?
[07:09] <Dr_willis> i recall mounting ps1 isos for the ps1 emulator ages ago..
[07:10] <Dr_willis> but i think there are plugins that add that feature.
[07:12] <genii> Dr_willis my first inclination is to think corrupt image
[07:12] <valentinos> bn\
[07:12] <Dr_willis> well i converted it with bchunk so i got a lot of audio tracks and a little.iso file. :) heh
[07:13] <Dr_willis> guess the audio tracks could be bad.
[07:15] <genii> A cd or dvd image?
[07:15] <Dr_willis> cd image.
[07:16] <Dr_willis> gotta love abandonware. :)
[07:16] <Minataku> Indeed
[07:16] <Dr_willis> i would burn it under windows.. but every time i boot to windows - it crashes.. :)
[07:16] <Minataku> Though most places focus only on games
[07:16] <Minataku> I collect OSes, not games
[07:16] <Minataku> lol
[07:17] <LjL> yeah well copyright for old OS's is often enforced though
[07:17] <genii> If it was dvd I'd suggest -t udf instead of -t iso9660
[07:17] <Dr_willis> its a old dos game cd, that seesm to have audio tracks as well.
[07:17] <Minataku> LjL: Not really
[07:18] <Minataku> Even old Microsoft OSes are pretty much overlooked
[07:18] <LjL> Minataku: it's enforced for AmigaOS. it's enforced for the C64 kernal ROMs. just to mention two i know
[07:18] <Minataku> LjL: That's because there's some dickhead company making money off of Commodore's hard work
[07:19] <LjL> true, but
[07:19] <LjL> !language
[07:19] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:19] <Minataku> I follow FCC guidelines
[07:19] <Minataku> What I said is well within broadcast standards
[07:19] <Minataku> lol
[07:19] <K-Ryan> this isn't radio
[07:19] <LjL> well, it's alright, but this is not FCC regulated
[07:20] <Minataku> No, but it's the strictest guideline you can get without delving into religious guidelines
[07:20] <K-Ryan> This is a private channel with it's own rules.
[07:20] <Lynoure> Minataku: When you have your own radio program, you can stick to FCC :)
[07:20] <K-Ryan> By private i mean privately owned
[07:20] <Minataku> Lynoure: Nobody seems to see the double meaning here
[07:20] <Minataku> lol
[07:20] <LjL> i'm not sure i do
[07:20] <Minataku> 1. It wasn't that serious, 2. The FCC sucks
[07:21] <Minataku> Whatever happened to when they did their real job of making sure radio signals/devices didn't interfere with one another?
[07:21] <genii> Dr_willis I remember a few copy-protection schemes used to include purposely bad blocks on the cd. Maybe try to convert with a switch ignoring read errors if possible (raw or so)
[07:21] <nothlit> FCC is out there to make money
[07:21] <tehpwn> !googleearth
[07:21] <ubotu> Google Earth is now available, for free (only as in price), for Linux, too. To download it see http://earth.google.com/download-earth.html
[07:21] <LjL> i'm sure they're still doing it vRry RFrefuSEW a8n with 3480FDEU)034
[07:21] <Minataku> ????ing PC jerks pushing their ideas of what's right/wrong on people who have different ideas
[07:22] <Minataku> LjL: rofl
[07:22] <tehpwn> Anybody have experience with Google Earth?
[07:22] <tehpwn> (on linux of corse)
[07:22] <LjL> tehpwn: i have it installed... not sure that qualifies as experience
[07:22] <revange> me
[07:22] <Minataku> genii: Indeed
[07:22] <LjL> i got it from the PLF repos though
[07:22] <tehpwn> LjL, how simple is it to install?
[07:22] <tehpwn> im pretty n00b
[07:22] <Minataku> Ignore or mask read errors while ripping
[07:23] <revange> i got it from one forum, its verry simple to install (well.. i'm a noob)
[07:23] <LjL> tehpwn: if you use the package, and all goes well, it's a piece of cake
[07:23] <LjL> !plf
[07:23] <ubotu> PLF is the Penguin Liberation Front. For more info see: http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf. PLF is down indefinitely pending a new maintainer; see http://plf.zarb.org/. see also !seveas
[07:23] <LjL> tehpwn: download the package, and "sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb"
[07:23] <tehpwn> LjL, Awesome thanks!
[07:23] <LjL> (you could add the entire repository, but i wouldn't do that)
[07:23] <LjL> (and, i don't think it's down anymore)
[07:23] <revange> Hey Someone Know Why WWW.ATI.COM is Down??
[07:24] <Seveas> it isn't
[07:24] <Seveas> apparently medibuntu is the new plf
[07:24] <revange> what?
[07:24] <K-Ryan> by the way the website isn't "www.Ati.com"
[07:24] <Seveas> revange, I was talking to ljl
[07:24] <revange> ok
[07:24] <Seveas> revange, and cut down on the caps please ;) btw: ati.com works fine here
[07:24] <genii> revange www.atitech.com still works for me, tho all the logos are AMD now
[07:25] <Seveas> www.ati.com redirects to ati.amd.com now
[07:25] <LjL> Seveas: so what do we list? plf.zarb.org is up too
[07:25] <Seveas> no idea
[07:26] <dopez> can anyone recommend a wireless PCI card that will work out of the box with kubuntu 6.10 ? (i know there is a page on ubuntu.com somewhere, i cannot find it and was not much help as i pick a Linksys WMP54G that was supposted to work but didn't)
[07:26] <genii> dopez Any Orinoco card works good
[07:27] <LjL> tehpwn|busy: well this is a package you can probably use anyway: http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/pool/edgy/non-free/i386/googleearth_4.0.2414-1medibuntu3_i386.deb
[07:27] <jontec> hey, umm why does it seem that I can only see a certain number of colors? like 256-colors (may be exaggerating)... it seems most prevalent in gtk applications, but sometimes when I logout I get the problem and the items in KPDF never look like they're supposed to. This is a laptop, Gateway MX6446, ATI Radeon 1150, and amd64.
[07:27] <Dr_willis> I think i saw on the OpenSUSE  wiki had a listingof wirelesscards suggested for linux.
[07:27] <revange> hey ppls i can't open event ati.amd.com
[07:27] <dopez> genii, Dr_willis, thanks, i'll look at those
[07:28] <revange> i can't open amd and ATI webs:(
[07:29] <revange> Someone have Experience with Gaming on Kubuntu 6.10?
[07:29] <Dr_willis> gee - how vague revange  :) what games you refering to..
[07:29] <genii> revange The site works fine for me
[07:29] <K-Ryan> I have, to some extent
[07:29] <revange> well i think for MUonline
[07:30] <K-Ryan> does it have a linux install?
[07:30] <revange> not
[07:30] <revange> its exacutable .exe file
[07:30] <revange> 3d game..
[07:30] <K-Ryan> then you need Wine or VMware from what I can tell
[07:30] <revange> well
[07:30] <revange> where i can download this VMware?
[07:30] <K-Ryan> !vmware
[07:30] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"). Instructions for VMWare Server can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware
[07:31] <Dr_willis> vmware isent going to do very good for 3d games
[07:31] <K-Ryan> Then Wine?
[07:31] <Theory> i found it was usable with half-life :-)
[07:31] <Dr_willis> wine/cedega may or may not do it.
[07:31] <revange> well i've already tried with cedega
[07:31] <revange> not working
[07:31] <Dr_willis> of course ya need to get your video card drivers going good.
[07:31] <revange> yes, but i can't open ATI website
[07:32] <Dr_willis> revange,  and why do you need the ati web site?
[07:32] <Dr_willis> !ati
[07:32] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:32] <revange> i'll check it
[07:33] <stdin> anyone tried VirtualBox yet ?
[07:33] <LjL> stdin: i suppose i'll wait for a package
[07:34] <genii> stdin That Xen based?
[07:34] <stdin> LjL: there are debs for 6.06 and 6.10
[07:34] <LjL> no, qemu based in some parts
[07:34] <slyfox> oops
[07:34] <stdin> genii: it's like an open source vmware
[07:34] <revange> now
[07:34] <revange> for this VMware
[07:34] <slyfox> Question about firefox. When you download a file and you see it completed - you can right click and select - open destination directory. How come this does not work in Linux but does in windows ?
[07:34] <XBehave> i have a problem using xine for real media streams, should i try and fix wine or install an alternative engine for amarok?
[07:34] <genii> stdin OK thx :)
[07:34] <revange> i need to install VMware??
[07:34] <revange> player?
[07:35] <revange> VMware-player?
[07:35] <K-Ryan> revange someone said its not good for 3D games
[07:35] <K-Ryan> try wine
[07:35] <K-Ryan> !wine | revange
[07:35] <ubotu> revange: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[07:35] <Minataku> slyfox: Because Linux doesn't have a dedicated, completely tied into the whole OS program to do that
[07:35] <Minataku> Which is a good thing
[07:35] <LjL> stdin: suppose i'll give it a try
[07:35] <tehpwn|busy> LjL, I can't read French or w/e... So that website isn't helping :-p lol
[07:35] <Minataku> Because a browser that's part of the core of the OS is a Bad Thing(tm) no matter how you look at it
[07:35] <slyfox> Minataku: Is there a way to do that? People from Ubuntu channel say that it works fine there
[07:36] <LjL> tehpwn|busy: see the last message i sent you
[07:36] <stdin> it's has a nice gui, and lets you manage virtual machines like vmware workstation
[07:36] <LjL> tehpwn|busy: well this is a package you can probably use anyway: http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/pool/edgy/non-free/i386/googleearth_4.0.2414-1medibuntu3_i386.deb
[07:36] <tehpwn|busy> LjL, oic
[07:36] <Minataku> slyfox: Unfortunately, I do not, I suggest hanging around to ask someone who can help, sorry
[07:37] <genii> I recall for kicks installing netbsd onto a Basilisk emulated Mac running on a windoze PC
[07:37] <XBehave> Minataku: that excuse is pretty bad surely it could use mime types to get the default file browser or something
[07:37] <slyfox> Yeah, it is just that it is annoynf when I have soemthing downloaded, to go to that folder manualy
[07:37] <Minataku> There probably is a way
[07:37] <Minataku> I just don't happen to know it
[07:38] <Minataku> When I need to work on files I always do it from the CLI without exception
[07:39] <tehpwn|busy> LjL, what do I do with this .deb file when it's done downloading?
[07:39] <ml> hallo
[07:39] <slyfox> Minataku: Sorry I am a noob, no idea what this means " CLI without exception"
[07:39] <LjL> stdin: doesn't work out of the box for me. dpkg claims the kernel module has been installed and started, and i've added my user to the group i've been instructed to, but it complains about the kernel module when starting a VM
[07:39] <LjL> tehpwn|busy: sudo dpkg -i filename
[07:39] <Minataku> !cli
[07:39] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[07:40] <Minataku> slyfox: But that's probably not for you
[07:40] <stdin> LjL: I had to modprobe it
[07:40] <slyfox> Minataku: yeha :-0
[07:40] <revange> 
[07:40] <revange> ppls
[07:40] <slyfox> I just got Beryl working.
[07:40] <Minataku> I'm just saying why I don't know how to set up Firefox to open any particualr program
[07:40] <Minataku> lol
[07:40] <stdin> LjL: then chmod it to allow my user to write to the file in /dev
[07:41] <revange> Someone can tell me VPN package for Kubuntu 6.10??
[07:41] <LjL> stdin: wow, that's bad... why do they tell us to add the user to vboxusers if that doesn't give access to the module?
[07:41] <LjL> i hope a reboot fixes this
[07:41] <Minataku> !vpn | revange
[07:41] <ubotu> revange: From more information on vpn please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Gaming_VPN_Using_PPTPD
[07:42] <stdin> LjL: I got the svn version, so the deb may be different, i'm installing the deb now
[07:42] <genii> !gre
[07:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gre - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:42] <revange> i'm now using VPN connection to network
[07:42] <revange> but its manualy configured
[07:42] <revange> it was hard think for my friends
[07:43] <animimotus> hi
[07:43] <revange> i need VPN program... for Kubuntu if there is some (i'm noob..)
[07:44] <animimotus> please, how can I switch the standard sound output to my headset usb?
[07:45] <LjL> stdin: now, if only it could be compiled with KDE support...
[07:45] <revange> well Wine Works Great!!!!! tested 4 games... include MuOnline, im testing WoW now :D
[07:50] <tehpwn|busy> LjL, wtf... that download just like.. froze :( damn wireless
[07:50] <surgy> when i download frostwire.deb it just opens kate and puts alot of code in the main window and warns me not to save the file or it will be corrupt.....so what do i do with the .deb in order to install it?
[07:50] <stdin> !deb
[07:50] <ubotu> deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[07:50] <stdin> surgy:
[07:50] <tehpwn|busy> surgy, lol, that's what it told me about my googleearth.bin file
[07:51] <surgy> ok
[07:51] <surgy> so it wont corupt the file?
[07:52] <stdin> surgy: just right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install
[07:52] <surgy> stdn: but it opens it in kate
[07:52] <surgy> stdin: i have to save it first
[07:52] <stdin> surgy: ahh
[07:53] <stdin> surgy: from firefox or konqi ?
[07:53] <surgy> konq
[07:53] <tehpwn|busy> !pastebin
[07:53] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:54] <stdin> surgy: right click, Save Link As
[07:55] <surgy> stdin: k
[07:55] <revange> I am installing VMware with Adepth Manager, and i'm wondering how to start it?
[07:55] <tehpwn|busy> LjL, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2557/
[07:56] <stdin> revange: it'll be in the Kmenu, under System
[07:56] <jontec> time to go nuke my xorg.conf.... *looks away..* you guys were no help...
[07:56] <revange> it will be great :D
[07:56] <LjL> revange: "vmplayer filename.vmx", or "sudo vmplayer filename.vmx" if that fails
[07:57] <LjL> tehpwn|busy: oh, you're on Dapper?
[07:57] <revange> ok
[07:57] <tehpwn|busy> LjL, yep
[07:57] <revange> becouse when i install program, i can't see it
[07:57] <revange> :(
[07:58] <tehpwn|busy> LjL, hehe, I always forget to mension that :-p
[07:58] <LjL> tehpwn|busy: then i gave you the wrong package, sorry... http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/pool/dapper/non-free/i386/googleearth_4.0.2414-1medibuntu3_i386.deb is the one
[07:58] <tehpwn|busy> LjL, Heh, ok, thanks :)
[07:58] <LjL> tehpwn|busy: do a "sudo apt-get remove googleearth" before trying to install this one, i guess
[07:59] <tehpwn|busy> LjL kk
[08:00] <San> Hey, I managed to get kubuntu to display 1280x1024 for me, but now it doesn't fit the whole screen on the monitor. I tryed Ctrl+Alt +/- but the one that looks like it should be for 1280x1024 is just blank. Does this meen my monitor doesn't support the res? It did on windows...
[08:00] <jeff_> hello, new Kubuntu user trying to kick the Windows habit .. I'm getting close, but there is one issue holding me back, and I was hoping someone could help....
[08:01] <HymnToLife> jeff_, just ask, we'll help if we can
[08:01] <jeff_> i am haiving trouble playing .mov files in Kaffeine... i have loaded all codecs, but the audio when playing back .MOV files is choppy
[08:02] <revange> Hey ppls i think that application Adept manager is great!!!
 Is there any way to make it so that the virtual desktops do not share the same opened programs. Say I opend open office on desktop 1 and when I go to desktop 2, I do not what to see it, I want a clean desktop tere
[08:02] <revange> there have evrything:D
[08:02] <K-Ryan> slyfox it should be like that
[08:02] <jeff_> i am experiencing this exact problem on 2 different machines with different audio cards, so it doesn't seem to be a driver issue
[08:02] <ElIsma> slyfox: look in the options, somewhere there's the option
[08:02] <surgy> why does frostwire keep telling me i dont have java and i just installed java?
[08:03] <K-Ryan> otherwise right click the program tab and in the options assign it to just one desktop
[08:03] <ElIsma> slyfox: i think it was in the K-bar options
[08:03] <HymnToLife> jeff_, nothing you can do about it, I'm afraid
[08:03] <HymnToLife> ask Apple to release the specs of their MOV format :p
[08:03] <K-Ryan> "To desktop: Desktop 1"
[08:03] <tehpwn|busy> How do I get this dumb clock off military time?
[08:03] <K-Ryan> Change the kind of clock
[08:03] <jeff_> really?   the xine backend says it plays .mov .. is this not true?
[08:03] <tehpwn|busy> K-Ryan, iv tried all of them
[08:03] <K-Ryan> jeff_ it does play it right?
[08:03] <K-Ryan> Just not perfect =P
[08:04] <HymnToLife> sadly, not all MOV are the same, it's like WMV
[08:04] <jeff_> it plays ... but the audio is choppy at a consistent rate, "in and out" once per second
[08:04] <HymnToLife> sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't
[08:04] <jhutchins_wk> tehpwn|busy: It's in your location settings.
[08:04] <jeff_> oddly VLC media player plays the file perfectly
[08:04] <K-Ryan> tehpwn|busy try getting a new clock applet
[08:04] <jeff_> but i'd like to use the Kubuntu stock player
[08:04] <slyfox> ElIsma: Where is K-bar ?
[08:05] <HymnToLife> jeff_, do you have win32codecs installed ?
[08:05] <ElIsma> slyfox: that thing where all programs appear
[08:05] <jeff_> yes i do
[08:05] <ElIsma> slyfox: i don't know it's official name :P
[08:05] <HymnToLife> then you can't do more
[08:05] <ElIsma> Hello! I've problems with my lan connection. I was testing something and disconnected the cables while a connection was active. When I reconnected I coudn't get it to connect back. I tried ifdown/ifup , ifconfig, dhclient, but to no avail. My router won't give me an IP adress. I know the cables are correctly connected because I'm using the pc right now (in windows). I tried doing a dpkg-reconfigure -a but it didn't help... Any
[08:05] <ElIsma> do?
[08:05] <HymnToLife> that's why we tell people to use Free formats when they can
[08:05] <jeff_> any ideas why it would work in VLC but not Kaffeinie/Xine?
[08:05] <jhutchins_wk> jeff_: Basically what that means is that the player is unable to do realtime play of that file with the resources you have.
[08:05] <HymnToLife> because VLC has it's own codecs
[08:05] <jeff_> ahh
[08:06] <jeff_> it's a MOV recorded off a Kodak still camera
[08:06] <jhutchins_wk> jeff_: It's using a less efficient algorythm, which on your hardware doesn't run fast enough.
[08:06] <jeff_> i'm reluctant to agree it's a hardware problem since the exact problem is happening on 3 differnt machine
[08:06] <jhutchins_wk> jeff_: What happens if you play it directly in xine?
[08:07] <jeff_> can you tell me how to do that jhutchins?
[08:07] <jhutchins_wk> jeff_: It's only a hardware problem in that sufficiently powerful hardware (as used by most developers) would make it less noticible.
[08:07] <jhutchins_wk> jeff_: Possibly launch xine then use the "File/Open" menu?
[08:07] <jeff_> it happens on a 2Ghz P4 .. how much more powerful do i need? :)
[08:08] <jhutchins_wk> jeff_: Possibly a meaner sound card?
[08:08] <jontec> again I will ask... why are my colors teh suck?
[08:08] <jhutchins_wk> jeff_: Got ram?
[08:08] <jeff_> i have to say, it must be a codec issue, since it works fine in VLC
[08:08] <jhutchins_wk> jontec: Your eyeballs aren't correctly calibrated to the display.
[08:08] <jhutchins_wk> jeff_: Exactly.
[08:09] <jhutchins_wk> jeff_: I'd try mplayer or kmplayer though, they're very efficient.
[08:09] <jeff_> but you think it's just teh codec Xine uses lags on my hardware
[08:09] <tehpwn|busy> When I try to edit ID3 tags in amarok it says the file is not writeable?
[08:09] <jontec> jhutchins_wk: I'll pretend like I didn't hear that
[08:09] <angasule> 1. Acquire an ice-cream spoon 2. Remove eyeballs 3. Squish them like so 4. Place eyeballs back in socket
[08:09] <jhutchins_wk> I think kaffeine is less efficient, and therefore the playback lags.
[08:09] <jeff_> ok... what is your opinion of VLC?
[08:10] <jeff_> it seems to work great
[08:10] <jhutchins_wk> jontec: Well seriously.  What colors?  What's bad about them?
[08:10] <jhutchins_wk> jeff_: It seems to work for a lot of people in a lot of situations.
[08:10] <angasule> jeff_: VLC seems to play just about anything, but the interface and options are lacking
[08:10] <jhutchins_wk> I'm more familiar with mplayer, but that's just a matter of experience.
[08:10] <angasule> the edgy version of kaffeine has a worse interface than the version in dapper, though
[08:11] <jeff_> i guess i'll go with VLC .. the only "interface" i'm looking for at this point is working video and sound :)
[08:11] <slyfox> ElIsma: Still cant find it
[08:11] <jhutchins_wk> jeff_: I'd say have a look at mplayer before you settle in for good, but go with whatever makes you happy!
[08:11] <jeff_> thaks you very much for addressing my issue
[08:12] <ElIsma> slyfox: sorry, I'm not in kde right now :(
[08:12] <jeff_> i will look at mplayer thanks
[08:12] <ElIsma> slyfox: i just know it's somewhere within reach
[08:12] <jontec> jhutchins_wk: well images don't display correctly... they don't display with the correct number of colors... all of my KDE images (like the panels and icons, etc. work) but real images do not... I might send you a screen shot... I notice this in gtk apps, KPDF, konqueror (when viewing online images), and when I logout... it's never been correct. amd64, Gateway MX6446, ATI Radeon xpress 1150.
[08:12] <jhutchins_wk> slyfox: Whatcha lookin for?
[08:13] <slyfox> jhutchins_wk:  Is there any way to make it so that the virtual desktops do not share the same opened programs. Say I opend open office on desktop 1 and when I go to desktop 2, I do not what to see it, I want a clean desktop tere
[08:13] <jhutchins_wk> jontec: Is it possible you have 16 bit color instead of 24?
[08:13] <slyfox> jhutchins_wk: So that they do not share the taskbar
[08:13] <sistemas> hi everybody
[08:13] <jhutchins_wk> slyfox: They've always shared the taskbar, but not the desktops themselves for me.
[08:13] <sistemas> in my kubuntu 6.10 not have floppy
[08:14] <jhutchins_wk> slyfox: (Wine doesn't respect desktop assignments when opening)
[08:14] <tehpwn> LjL, holy crap it's sooo laggy and it's only using half the screen...
[08:14] <sistemas> its icon doesn't appear in konqueror
[08:14] <K-Ryan> slyfox they always share the same taskbar as far as i know
[08:14] <slyfox> And there is no way to make it so that they will not share ?
[08:14] <jontec> jhutchins_wk: it was never like that in xorg.conf... and no one helped me so I deleted all of the other subentries there that had depth <24 for my monitor resolution... (I had depth 1, 4, 16... I guess for 1280 x800... my res) then I restarted to restart xserver
[08:15] <jhutchins_wk> slyfox: You might talk to the KDE folks, see what they know.
[08:15] <jhutchins_wk> jontec: So what do you have now?
[08:16] <jontec> jhutchins_wk: the DefaultDepth 24... and a subsection "Display" with depth 24 and res "1280 x 800"
[08:17] <LjL> tehpwn, sure your 3D drivers are good to go?
[08:17] <tehpwn> LjL, Lol, IDK?
[08:17] <LjL> tehpwn: hm? i just mean the ATI or Nvidia or whatever drivers
[08:18] <tehpwn> LjL, onboard intel graphics
[08:19] <Alarm> where are the .themes located ? i installed karamba and superkaramba (although i cant udnerstand their difference) but both ask for themes
[08:19] <tehpwn> LjL, http://tehfilezz.googlepages.com/snapshot1.jpg
[08:20] <jhutchins_wk> jontec: Hm.  I don't actually see a way to set color depth in the GUI configuration tools.
[08:20] <jhutchins_wk> jontec: So did the default xorg conf work correctly?
[08:21] <jontec> jhutchins_wk: no.... that's why my colors were messed up :D
[08:21] <jontec> jhutchins_wk: I'm not even sure it worked in 6.06
[08:22] <jontec> jhutchins_wk: actually, now I'm certain... I remember
[08:23] <jeff_> jhutchins ... Mplayer is the winner!!  even played a file VLC wouldn't play!
[08:23] <jeff_> thank you so much!
[08:24] <Alarm> does anyone know how can i locate the themes that karamba needs ?
[08:24] <K-Ryan> !karamba
[08:24] <ubotu> superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[08:25] <K-Ryan> ;)
[08:26] <jhutchins_wk> jontec: At this point you should probably be looking for kubuntu-specific configuration tools, and possibly look for info specific to your graphics chipset and ubuntu.
[08:26] <Alarm> it cant use themes that are on my system ? i mean those that has kubuntu as default ?
[08:26] <jhutchins_wk> jontec: I can't think of much else to try, except possibly reducing resolution and seeing if that helps.
[08:26] <jontec> jhutchins_wk: thanks
[08:26] <jhutchins_wk> jontec: If video ram is the limiting factor on your card, you'll have to choose between upper resolutions or full color.
[08:27] <jontec> jhutchins_wk: shouldn't be... i should have 128 for this card :S
[08:27] <jeff_> how do i make MPlayer my default player for all video?
[08:28] <jeff_> in kubuntu
[08:28] <Alarm> a last question then. whats the difference between karamba and superkaramba ? i read the info description on adept_manager but couldnt figure out
[08:28] <jhutchins_wk> jontec: Depends on the card and the driver.
[08:29] <tehpwn|afk> !gtkpod
[08:29] <ubotu> gtkpod: manage songs and playlists on an Apple iPod. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.99.4-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 481 kB, installed size 1992 kB
[08:31] <jontec> jhutchins_wk: okay, well in system settings... it has the driver... standard ATI Radeon... but it doesn't let me change the ram.... it only has 256kb... and its grayed out.
[08:31] <jhutchins_wk> Are you in "Administrative Mode"?
[08:32] <jontec> jhutchins_wk: umm... and will any settings I change in here be in xorg.conf?
[08:32] <jontec> jhutchins_wk: yeah
[08:32] <jhutchins_wk> Hm.
[08:36] <jhutchins_wk> jontec: Which chipset is it again?  (lspci)
[08:36] <ronny_> hi all
[08:36] <ronny_> i wanted to add a user to another group with sudo usermod -G groupname username
[08:36] <ronny_> now this user can't do any sudo command.. and sudo groups username gives nothing :(
[08:36] <ronny_> any idea?
[08:37] <jontec> jhutchins_wk: 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS482 [Radeon Xpress 200M]  <<< I'm not sure this is right... I have a Radeon Xpress 1150
[08:37] <jontec> jhutchins_wk: was that what you were looking for?
[08:38] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah.
[08:38] <ronny_> !sudo
[08:38] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:41] <jhutchins_wk> jontec: It looks like you should look into the propietary ATI drivers.
[08:42] <jhutchins_wk> The generic radeon driver is not detecting your vram correctly.
[08:42] <jhutchins_wk> I don't find your card listed anywhere on the radeon pages, so I'm thinking it's too new to have full support in the open drivers.
[08:42] <jhutchins_wk> .
[08:43] <ronny_> any idea.. i cant sudo anything.. i get some errors..
[08:44] <jhutchins_wk> ronny_: Look at group memberships.
[08:44] <jontec> jhutchins_wk: I see the ATI radeon fglrx (is that proprietary?) and... since it's not listed, does that mean that there's no proprietary drivers?
[08:44] <ronny_> jhutchins_wk: how and where? konsole?
[08:44] <jontec> !ati
[08:44] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:45] <ronny_> jhutchins_wk: thos ise is only in hes own group.. and.. its the only user :(
[08:45] <ronny_> thera is also now root passwd.. can't login as root
[08:47] <jhutchins_wk> ronny_: It can be done with vi or with system settings/User Management (Administrator Mode).
[08:47] <jhutchins_wk> Show system groups.
[08:48] <SpAwN> anyone here use ipkungfu?....the one in kubuntu seems to be very old......some of the features arent even used anymore
[08:48] <SpAwN> !ipkungfu
[08:48] <ubotu> ipkungfu: iptables-based Linux firewall. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.2-7 (edgy), package size 33 kB, installed size 212 kB
[08:48] <jhutchins_wk> ronny_: See
[08:48] <ronny_> jhutchins_wk: i can't open administrator mode.. "su returned with an error"
[08:48] <jhutchins_wk> "Allowing other users to run sudo" in the previous doc.
[08:48] <ronny_> i locked me out.. aaaaa
[08:48] <jhutchins_wk> ronny_: Either as the original user or boot to single-user mode (rescue mode?)
[08:49] <ronny_> ok i try..
[08:49] <SpAwN> guess ill have to complie from sourc
[08:49] <SpAwN> e
[08:49] <jhutchins_wk> The doc is pretty clear.
[08:52] <admin__> PEOPLES i need HELP
[08:53] <admin__> i have problem with my Adept Manager
[08:53] <admin__> !
[08:54] <jhutchins_wk> admin__: What problem?
[08:54] <dwidmann> what kind admin__?
[08:56] <ronny_> jhutchins_wk: now i have the root password activated... :) one point forward :)
[08:56] <admin__> look: Read only mode: database Locked -Adept manager.. Youwill not beable to change your system settings in any way (install,remove or upgrade software),because another process is using the pachaging system database (propably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude), Please Close the other application before using this one!
[08:56] <jontec> jhutchins_wk: Okay, I don't want to screw my system up completely... I need it for a presentation on Saturday. using this http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation_Guide and the ubuntu way... how would I reverse any changes? would putting in a archived copy of xorg.conf fix it?
[08:56] <jhutchins_wk> ronny_: Yeah, try to play along with the sudo system though, it's a good habit to develop.
[08:56] <admin__> My Adept manager cant install SOFT!!
[08:56] <admin__> HELP!
[08:56] <admin__> look: Read only mode: database Locked -Adept manager.. Youwill not beable to change your system settings in any way (install,remove or upgrade software),because another process is using the pachaging system database (propably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude), Please Close the other application before using this one!
[08:57] <jhutchins_wk> jontec: The kernel module config files would need to be backed up too - not sure exactly what ubuntu calls those.
[08:57] <jontec> admin__: restart your computer
[08:57] <jhutchins_wk> Heck, just snapshot /etc with rsync or something.
[08:57] <admin__> i've restarted it twise
[08:57] <admin__> but the problem already exist
[08:58] <jhutchins_wk> admin__:  Is the adept updater running?
[08:58] <admin__> no
[08:58] <admin__> but
[08:58] <admin__> when i log in i am starting the adept manager, and he don't apears
[08:58] <jhutchins_wk> admin__: Did something crash?
[08:58] <adaptr> admin__: quit all package managers, then delete the lock
[08:59] <admin__> ye
[08:59] <admin__> yes
[08:59] <admin__> when i plaed a win program
[08:59] <admin__> somthing crashed
[08:59] <jhutchins_wk> adaptr: You wouldn't know exactly which lock file he's looking for?
[08:59] <juano__> does someone know why in win workgroup my ubuntu pc wont appear, but here in ubuntu i can see both pcs fine in workgroup?
[08:59] <juano__> i can connect though to the ubuntu pc in win writing \\ubuntupcname
[08:59] <admin__> and i was unable to move my mouse
[09:00] <juano__> at first it appears, but then it dissappears after a while
[09:00] <admin__> yes
[09:00] <jhutchins_wk> admin__: Look  in /var/lock, maybe you can figure out which is the lock file.
[09:00] <jontec> adaptr: I think its... /var/cache/apt/archives ? maybe ?
[09:00] <jontec> and then lock
[09:01] <jontec> jhutchins_wk: /var/cache/apt/archives/lock (I know that one's there)
[09:01] <jontec> or, rather... that there's one there
[09:02] <admin__> i remember, My KDE panel was crashed
[09:02] <adaptr> jhutchins_wk: yes, for apt and synaptic, it's /var/cache/apt/archive/lock
[09:03] <adaptr> jhutchins_wk: for aptitude, also /var/lib/aptitude/lock, and perhaps synaptic also stores one for itself.. it's all rather silly
[09:03] <dwidmann> !adeptfix | admin__
[09:03] <ubotu> admin__: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[09:03] <adaptr> juano__: you need to allow browsing in the global config section
[09:04] <admin__> I've looked in /var/lock
[09:04] <admin__> there is one file
[09:04] <admin__> LCK..pts_2
[09:04] <jontec> see what ubotu sent you...
[09:04] <admin__> in these file is that       4729
[09:04] <admin__> only that "      4729"
[09:04] <jontec> admin__: read what ubotu sent you
[09:04] <Thehound666> will I be able to use a Radeon x1950PRO with Kubuntu?
[09:05] <admin__> im using Kubuntu
[09:05] <admin__> what to read??
[09:05] <dwidmann> admin__: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[09:05] <gigione> can anyone tell me please why kaffeine doesn't start anymotr in kubuntu 6.10?
[09:05] <jontec> yeah
[09:05] <dwidmann> gigione, it should
[09:06] <juano__> adaptr: ok , ill check that, but at first i can browse fine through xp, its just after 10 min or so that the ubuntu pc vanishes from network under xp, but through ubuntu i can see both pcs all the time fine
[09:06] <user-land> Hi.
[09:06] <Thehound666> I hear some gfx cards are unsupported
[09:06] <adaptr> juano__: oh, okay - you said you never saw it earlier
[09:06] <adaptr> user-land: hi there!
[09:06] <dwidmann> gigione: try to start it in konsole, and see if it gives you any errors. If that doesn't work, try running "killall kaffeine" and trying again
[09:06] <user-land> Is there a utility i can use in Konqueror to destroy files ?
[09:06] <adaptr> !shredder
[09:06] <user-land> adaptr :-)
[09:06] <admin__> OK there is the result..
[09:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shredder - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:06] <admin__> root@revange-desktop:~# sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[09:06] <dwidmann> !shred
[09:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shred - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:07] <admin__> Setting up libssl0.9.7 (0.9.7k-3) ...
[09:07] <gigione> thanks
[09:07] <admin__> Setting up libgsf-1-common (1.14.1-2ubuntu1.1) ...
[09:07] <admin__> Setting up libcroco3 (0.6.1-1build1) ...
[09:07] <admin__> Setting up vmware-player-kernel-modules-2.6.17-10 (2.6.17.7-10.1) ...
[09:07] <admin__> Setting up vmware-player-kernel-modules (2.6.17.10) ...
[09:07] <admin__> Setting up libgsf-1-114 (1.14.1-2ubuntu1.1) ...
[09:07] <admin__> Setting up librsvg2-2 (2.16.0-0ubuntu2) ...
[09:07] <adaptr> oh boy
[09:07] <gigione> hope will work
[09:07] <celal> hi @ all
[09:07] <dwidmann> something ubotu doesn't know ...... blasphemy!
[09:07] <celal> anyone from germany here?
[09:08] <jontec> using this http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation_Guide and the ubuntu way... how would I reverse any changes?
[09:08] <celal> iam looking for german users for my usergroup
[09:08] <user-land> celal, from german speaking switzerland
[09:09] <dwidmann> celal: #kubuntu-de might be a good place to look
[09:09] <celal> switzerland is great too
[09:09] <jhutchins_wk> jontec: Like I said, back up /etc/* with rsync, copy it back if you need to.
[09:09] <jontec> wait... that's not what I mean to paste
[09:09] <SpAwN> i installed ipkungfu and was wondering how to start it... /etc/init.d/ipkungfu start doesnt seem to do anything.
[09:09] <jontec> jhutchins_wl: sorry :D
[09:09] <user-land> yes, for cold hearts ;-)
[09:09] <celal> thanks a lot mr. user-land
[09:09] <juano__> any ideas adaptr_
[09:09] <SpAwN> oh and i prefer a cli way
[09:09] <jhutchins_wk> jontec: I'm afraid you've found out why it's called the "bleeding edge", your card isn't even listed at ATI's website.
[09:10] <jontec> jhutchins_wk: (this is what I meant to paste): I've been just sitting here and now, all of my colors are fine... I haven't changed any settings... any idea why this is?
[09:10] <jhutchins_wk> Cable?
[09:11] <jhutchins_wk> No idea jontec.
[09:11] <jontec> jhutchins_wk: umm... no? this is a laptop?
[09:11] <jhutchins_wk> If it stays fixed, you're all set.
[09:11] <celal> you was a great help user-land thx where are u from?
[09:11] <jontec> jhutchins_wk: I know it won't. 'member I said sometimes I see it on my logout screen?
[09:11] <user-land> zurich
[09:11] <celal> aso
[09:11] <celal> wuste ich nicht
[09:11] <user-land> ja :-)
[09:12] <adaptr> !english gentlemen, please
[09:12] <Sirius``> anyone here who's german and could help me with the kubuntu-installation?
[09:12] <celal> welche grafische oberflche nutzt du?
[09:12] <user-land> adaptr, do you recommend a script ?
[09:12] <celal> ich sirius
[09:12] <Sirius``> qry?
[09:12] <jhutchins_wk> !deutsch
[09:12] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:12] <user-land> celal, we need to speak english here.
[09:12] <SpAwN> is there a command similer to service servicename start/restart/stop
[09:12] <bjames> does anyone here use wxWidgets on kDevelop?
[09:12] <celal> ohh im sorry
[09:12] <celal> my fault
[09:12] <adaptr> SpAwN: /etc/init.d/servicename
[09:13] <SpAwN> gmm
[09:13] <jhutchins_wk> jontec: You might still look at the propietary drivers.  I'm not familiar with them myself, my hardware's old and slow.
[09:13] <SpAwN> if the service had a error would it spit it out?...or will it let u know the service started?
[09:13] <jontec> jhutchins_wk: okay... I'm going to try to install it now
[09:13] <jhutchins_wk> SpAwN: Yes.
[09:13] <celal> hey sirius whats you problem?
[09:13] <SpAwN> damn......its outputting nothing
[09:13] <jhutchins_wk> All the "service" command does is run the script in /etc/init.d/
[09:13] <jontec> jhutchins_wk: sure that backup of /etc/ is all I need?
[09:14] <jhutchins_wk> jontec: It's overkill, but it should get everything.
[09:14] <admin__> Someone Know good BIT TOrrent Client fot Kubuntu 6.10??
[09:14] <jhutchins_wk> Like I said, I haven't been there myself.
[09:14] <jontec> jhutchins_wk: okay
[09:14] <Sirius``> celal i moved to the de-chan^^
[09:14] <stdin> admin__: KTorrent
[09:14] <jhutchins_wk> Sirius``: We don't mean to be unfriendly to non-english-speakers, but it works best if we stay on-language.
[09:15] <admin__> stdin: yes but when i start Download a file with KTorrent, it doesnt start to download
[09:15] <admin__> no kb/s
[09:15] <admin__> like no seed from other side
[09:15] <slyfox> #ubuntu
[09:16] <stdin> admin__: there is also azureus, it's a java based client
[09:16] <stdin> !info azureus
[09:16] <ubotu> azureus: BitTorrent client. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.5.0.0-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 6922 kB, installed size 7780 kB
[09:16] <admin__> ok
[09:16] <admin__> ill try it
[09:16] <admin__> .
[09:16] <Sirius``> jhutchins_wk sure no prob :)
[09:16] <admin__> btw
[09:16] <admin__> i'm having a problem with upgrade of VMware player
[09:16] <admin__> it stuck on 16%
[09:17] <adamwest> hey guys
[09:17] <stdin> admin__: what's it say in the terminal (show more ... button)
[09:17] <admin__> i'm using Adept manager now
[09:18] <stdin> admin__: yeah, but there is a button you click to show the console part
[09:18] <stdin> admin__: next to the percentage
[09:18] <admin__> there is
[09:18] <admin__> Ubuntu Configuration              End User License Agreement for VMware Player 1.0.2                        
[09:18] <admin__>                                                                                                             
[09:18] <stdin> admin__: yeah
[09:18] <admin__>                                                                                                             
[09:18] <stdin> admin__: ok
[09:19] <admin__>                                                                                                             
[09:19] <stdin> admin__: you need to except it
[09:19] <admin__>                                   END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR VMWARE(R) PLAYER                           
[09:19] <admin__>                                                                                                             
[09:19] <admin__>                                   VMWARE, INC. LICENSES THIS DESKTOP SOFTWARE PRODUCT TO YOU SUBJECT TO     
[09:19] <LjL> Ubotu, tell admin__ about paste | admin__, see the private message from Ubotu
[09:19] <stdin> !pastebin > admin__
[09:19] <LjL> admin__: you'll be muted for a minute while your paste buffer empties
[09:20] <adamwest> I'm having problems with my IAUDIO device
[09:20] <adamwest> won't show its real free space
[09:20] <admin__> what happend
[09:21] <Bubba_Gump> how can I set up Firestarter to allow incoming and outgoing bittorrent events ?
[09:21] <LjL> !nickspam
[09:21] <ubotu> You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages (see !Away for more details): use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently
[09:21] <kub23> well
[09:21] <adamwest> anyone?
[09:21] <kub23> i'm was with nich admin_
[09:21] <stdin> kub23:  please don't flood the channel
[09:21] <LjL> kub23: you were pasting a ton of stuff
[09:21] <kub23> what hppend
[09:21] <LjL> kub23: use the pastebin for that sort of thing please
[09:22] <kub23> my login was admin.,....
[09:22] <stdin> kub23:  you just need to accept the licence
[09:22] <kub23> what license?
[09:22] <kub23> how to accept it?
[09:22] <Thehound666> guys, I have this file check.sh to check some system requirements
[09:22] <Thehound666> how do I run it?
[09:23] <stdin> kub23: you need to press enter (i think). then use the arrow keys to move to "yes" then press enter again
[09:23] <kub23> ok i will not flood
[09:23] <stdin> Thehound666: you run it in konsole
[09:23] <jhutchins_wk> Thehound666: Set it as executable and double click it, or run it from the command line ./check.sh or bash ./check.sh
[09:23] <Thehound666> when I type check.sh says command not found
[09:24] <Thehound666> oh ok
[09:24] <Thehound666> the ./
[09:24] <Thehound666> thanks
[09:24] <jhutchins_wk> Thehound666: right.
[09:25] <user-land> would someone like to add this to ubotu under !shred ? http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=19047
[09:27] <adamwest> ANYONE :\
[09:27] <Thehound666> ok this is not right, if I d
[09:27] <Thehound666> o ./check.sh permission denied, if I do sudo ./check.sh it says not found
[09:28] <stdin> Thehound666: make sure it's executable
[09:28] <Admiral_Chicago_> !anyone | adamwest
[09:28] <ubotu> adamwest: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[09:28] <adamwest> i asked it.
[09:28] <adamwest>  I'm having problems with my IAUDIO device
[09:28] <kub23> please help me im noob, how to accept the license for VMware  player in Adept updater
[09:29] <kub23> there is ok after the license, but i can't press it
[09:29] <user-land> adamwest, maybe format it ?
[09:29] <stdin> kub23: with the mouse or the enter key?
[09:29] <adamwest> i have stuff i need insize
[09:29] <adamwest> inside
[09:29] <Thehound666> maybe I'll ask you guys what it is to determine since it encountered another error
[09:29] <kub23> both
[09:29] <adaptr> kub23: scroll down to the end of the EULA
[09:29] <Thehound666> what Xfree86 version is Kubuntu?
[09:29] <kub23> yes im there
[09:29] <adamwest> in windows it shows 2.5g and in linux it shows 116mb :\
[09:30] <adamwest> *free
[09:30] <stdin> kub23: you may have to cancel it and do it in konsole
[09:30] <VSpike> Thehound666: it uses xorg
[09:30] <Thehound666> ouch so my card is incompatible
[09:30] <kub23> how to do it in console?
[09:30] <Thehound666> guess I'll have to use VMWare
[09:30] <adaptr> Thehound666: which card ?
[09:31] <stdin> kub23: cancel the install/upgrade then in konsole do "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[09:31] <Thehound666> ATI Radeon x150PRO
[09:31] <adaptr> kub23: sudo aptitude install vmware-player
[09:31] <adamwest> user-land, u have an idea what's going on/
[09:31] <Thehound666> x1950
[09:31] <Thehound666> damn keyboard
[09:31] <adaptr> Thehound666: why would that not be supported ?
[09:31] <Thehound666> the driver says it needs xfree86
[09:31] <Thehound666> according to site
[09:31] <user-land> no, adamwest, just that formatting helps sometimes with external memory cards.
[09:31] <adaptr> that's not all that important
[09:31] <kub23> status database area is locked by another process
[09:32] <adamwest> user-land do you know perhaps another channel i could get support in?
[09:32] <adaptr> Thehound666: where did yo get a driver from ? whatever - don't do that, use Ubuntu drivers
[09:32] <Thehound666> oh xorg version link
[09:32] <user-land> how do i recognise channel ops here ?
[09:32] <jhutchins_wk> Thehound666: If the file is not set as executable, you'll get that permissions error.  If you do "bash <filename>" it should work.
[09:32] <adaptr> kub23: you need to exit synaptic first
[09:32] <Thehound666> what version we have?
[09:32] <stdin> kub23: ok, do this "sudo fuser -vik /var/lib/dpkg/lock ; sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[09:32] <adamwest> exit
[09:32] <VSpike> X11R7.1 1.1.0
[09:32] <user-land> no, adamwest, no idea about your device. apple ?
[09:33] <Thehound666> need to make sure it's supported before migrating this pc off VMWare and to a dual boot
[09:33] <tehpwn|afk> !steam
[09:33] <ubotu> Steam can be found at: http://www.steampowered.com/
[09:33] <VSpike> x1950 should be supported.
[09:33] <jhutchins_wk> !ati | Thehound666
[09:33] <ubotu> Thehound666: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:33] <VSpike> Thehound666: are you using edgy?
[09:33] <kub23> ok in the console apears the same window and i can't press ok:(
[09:34] <Thehound666> yes
[09:34] <adaptr> Thehound666: you'll always have X - just not very fast unless you load the ati drivers
[09:34] <Thehound666> and apparently the open source driver doesn't like this card
[09:34] <Thehound666> from my reading
[09:34] <VSpike> If you can't get the open source driver to work, then try specifying "radeon" instead of "ati" as the driver.
[09:34] <jhutchins_wk> Thehound666: Unfortunately ATI has released newer hardware than they've released drivers.
[09:34] <stdin> kub23: try using the tab ket to move
[09:34] <stdin> *key
[09:35] <Thehound666> this is the driver from their page for x1900 series
[09:35] <Thehound666> that I'm looking at
[09:35] <kub23> it woked!
[09:35] <kub23> thanks:D
[09:35] <stdin> yw :)
[09:35] <jhutchins_wk> Thehound666: Yeah, but there might be an Xorg driver instad of XFree86.
[09:35] <adaptr> Thehound666: the ATI drivers are probably useless, search the forums or the Ubuntu site
[09:35] <extern> I messed up my g++. I was trying to install wxWidgets 2.8.0, and after doing that, when compiling my program with KDevelop, it says configure: error: cannot run C++ compiled programs.
[09:35] <jhutchins_wk> Thehound666: Or it may be the same driver.
[09:35] <VSpike> Kubuntu includes open drivers for ATI, and the binary drivers too
[09:35] <VSpike> Thehound666: Installable via apt-get
[09:36] <kub23> well i think now i have evrythink what i need, now i'm forgoted the Windows and runnig Kubuntu:)
[09:36] <Thehound666> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon.html
[09:36] <Thehound666> tell me what you think on this driver
[09:36] <Thehound666> am I asking for trouble?
[09:36] <kub23> Just one more think is there a viruses ?
[09:37] <VSpike> I have x850xt working with fglrx (ATI proprietary binary drivers).  I'm going to try going back to the open ones now I've found a write up on the bug with them
[09:38] <VSpike> Thehound666: I tried those, but the check.sh script just crashes
[09:38] <dust> I've downloaded a svn nightly of kmobiletools (http://xoomer.alice.it/rockman81/kmobiletools/kmobiletools-svn-2007-01-15.tar.bz2), and trying to compile... But it halts at "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X libraries. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!" suggestions?
[09:38] <stdin> kub23: virus? Ha, we don't have viruses on linux :)
[09:38] <snowrichard> hi
[09:38] <stdin> !virus | kub23
[09:38] <ubotu> kub23: A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[09:38] <Thehound666> the drivers themselves work though?
[09:38] <extern> dust, check if you have dev libs installed for X
[09:38] <dust> I've been having problems compiling stuff in general too, I might be missing somthing essential?
[09:38] <VSpike> Thehound666:  I'm using the ones that are part of distribution now
[09:38] <dust> extern: what would they be called?
[09:39] <Thehound666> x1950PRO XGE is new
[09:39] <dust> x.org dev?
[09:39] <Thehound666> wouldn't think the open would support it yet
[09:39] <VSpike> The binary ones are also available
[09:39] <extern> sarch from them in adept
[09:39] <VSpike> xorg-driver-fglrx                          7.1.0-8.28.8+2.6.17.7-10.1           Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators
[09:39] <extern> it should start like "libX11-xxxxx-dev"
[09:39] <extern> I don't know the xxx part
[09:40] <stdin> dust: probably xorg-dev
[09:40] <kub23> yes i think i don't need anti virus soft..
[09:40] <dust> xserver-xorg-dev - X.Org X server -- development files ?
[09:40] <extern> yeah
[09:40] <extern> those may be it
[09:40] <kub23> How to register in this chat?
[09:40] <stdin> !info xorg-dev
[09:40] <ubotu> xorg-dev: the X.Org X Window System development libraries. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.1.1ubuntu6.2 (edgy), package size 17 kB, installed size 44 kB
[09:40] <SpAwN> when i try to start ipkungfu with/etc/init.d/ipkungfu start it doesnt start only says to see its debian.readme...which doesnt exits :(
[09:40] <stdin> !register | kub23
[09:40] <ubotu> kub23: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[09:40] <dust> k, trying that?
[09:40] <VSpike> Is there a graphical way to manage applications which autostart in KDE?
[09:40] <SpAwN> anyone know about ubuntu and ipkungfu
[09:41] <kub23> 10x
[09:41] <dust> VSpike: just make symlinks to ~/.kde/Autostart
[09:41] <Thehound666> xorg-driver fglrx and fglrx-dev?
[09:42] <extern> what can I do to fix that "can't run compiled C++ programs" error? It's given when running configure, but I tried compiling a very simple hello world program and it ran fine
[09:42] <stdin> make sure you have the build-essential package
[09:43] <extern> the code was compiling fine
[09:43] <extern> until I tried to install wxWidgests 2.8.0
[09:43] <VSpike> dust: OK.. I know that's easy, it just seemed odd that there was no graphical too for it.  Do I symlink .desktop files, or copy them? Or symlink applications?  Or any of the above?
[09:43] <extern> the very same code
[09:43] <extern> :/
[09:43] <Thehound666> no x1950 support listed
[09:43] <trappist> SpAwN: I think the packager makes you enable it in /etc/default/ipkungfu or something
[09:43] <trappist> SpAwN: check the readme :)
[09:43] <SpAwN> trappist, i read it.
[09:44] <extern> searching on google, I found a topic, that said it's because libstdc++ is not found, I have to explicitly set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH to point to it
[09:44] <extern> how can I set it?
[09:44] <dust> VSpike: I have to agree it's not very stright foreward, but... What I did was to symlink to the binaries, ie: ln -s /usr/bin/knetworkmanager ~/.kde/Autostart/
[09:44] <gigione> is there another way to start kaffeine?
[09:45] <trappist> SpAwN: try checking out the init script, see what it's doing
[09:45] <gigione> cause i can't start it
[09:45] <SpAwN> trappist, it wasnt starting the right excutalbe so i edited so it woulr
[09:45] <SpAwN> trappist, b4 it woulndt do anything....now it at least says not starting
[09:46] <Thehound666> x1950 is a pain on even Windows though great card
[09:46] <Thehound666> not even Omega latest version recognises it
[09:46] <trappist> SpAwN: have a look at /etc/default/ipkungfu
[09:46] <SpAwN> is that the file i have to comment out the line?
[09:46] <trappist> SpAwN: change the 0 to a 1
[09:47] <SpAwN> on mandriva it at least said what file to edit......on here it says nothing
[09:47] <trappist> SpAwN: it says to check the readme, which says what file to edit and how to edit it
[09:47] <SpAwN> trappist, but the readme file isnt there
[09:48] <trappist> SpAwN: /usr/share/doc/ipkungfu/README.Debian ?
[09:48] <SpAwN> trappist, it says to check the readme.debian..which isnt on my computer
[09:48] <SpAwN> no
[09:48] <SpAwN> its not there or anywhere
[09:48] <trappist> SpAwN: it may have been wiped out when you upgraded from source
[09:49] <dust> extern, stdin: I installed xserver-xorg-dev, and that went fine, but compile still whines about X, so I tried installing xorg-dev, but that complains about libxft-dev, which in turn wants libfontconfig1-dev, and trying to install that gives me libfontconfig1-dev: Depends: libfontconfig1 (= 2.3.2-7ubuntu2) but 2.4.2-1 is to be installed
[09:49] <dust> :/
[09:49] <VSpike> Thehound666: You are right that the open drivers do not support it.  I don't know about fglrx
[09:49] <SpAwN> bah this just isnt working http://pastebin.ulteo.us/397
[09:49] <extern> what were you trying to compile again?
[09:49] <dust> kmobiletools
[09:50] <trappist> SpAwN: it's working, you just hit a bug (that should be fixed in 0.6.1)
[09:50] <extern> is it available on apt-get?
[09:50] <extern> try doing sudo apt-get build-dep kmobiletools
[09:50] <SpAwN> trappist, that should be the newest..i dled from your site like a hour ago
[09:50] <trappist> SpAwN: you should be able to get rid of those messages by putting one and only one netmask in ipkungfu.conf
[09:50] <trappist> SpAwN: well that's no good :/
[09:50] <trappist> SpAwN: meet me in #ipkungfu?
[09:50] <SpAwN> sure
[09:52] <dust> extern: trying to do the build-dep thing didn't work, still whines about unmet dependencies, but just running apt-get install kmobiletools worked
[09:53] <extern> build-dep should get all the dependencies for that package :/
[09:54] <Thehound666> ok their installer is a .run
[09:54] <Thehound666> how do I run that?
[09:54] <Thehound666> I did sudo sh ./ati-driver-installer-8.33.6.run
[09:55] <Valmarko> here I am,  please send me an angel :)
[09:56] <Valmarko> It's m birthday, ubuntu comunity
[09:57] <Thehound666> looks like stupid VMWare for me
[09:58] <Thehound666> these drivers have a .run
[09:58] <dust> for what?
[09:58] <dethklok> my stomach hurts, i'm gonna go eat
[09:58] <Thehound666> the installer
[09:59] <Thehound666> and following their instructions will not launch it
[09:59] <extern> I traced that my g++ error is caused by wx-config --libs. It outputs the following: -L/usr/local/lib -pthread   -lwx_gtk2u_aui-2.8 -lwx_gtk2u_xrc-2.8 -lwx_gtk2u_qa-2.8 -lwx_gtk2u_html-2.8 -lwx_gtk2u_adv-2.8 -lwx_gtk2u_core-2.8 -lwx_baseu_xml-2.8 -lwx_baseu_net-2.8 -lwx_baseu-2.  What could be wrong with those?
[09:59] <Thehound666> even after making it executable
[10:00] <Thehound666> command not found
[10:00] <Thehound666> actually can't open
[10:00] <Thehound666> thehound@thehound-desktop:~/Desktop$ sudo sh ./ati-driver-installer-8.33.6.run
[10:00] <Thehound666> sh: Can't open ./ati-driver-installer-8.33.6.run
[10:01] <dust> chmod +x ati-driver-installer-8.33.6.run ?
[10:01] <wezzie> im have trouble viewing a .rm file. i have installed realplayer but i still cant view an .rm file it says its an unkown fileformat. what could be the problem
[10:02] <Thehound666> I right clicked, checked "is executable"
[10:02] <Thehound666> I do things graphically when I can
[10:02] <Thehound666> lol
[10:02] <Valmarko> lol
[10:02] <Valmarko> lol
[10:03] <dust> Thehound666: well, in theory that should do it :p
[10:03] <Valmarko> tnks dethklok
[10:03] <Thehound666> oh the instructions were a typo from them
[10:03] <dust> but in my experience, "linux" and "theory" are mutally exclusive :P
[10:03] <Thehound666> they had a chracter wrong in filename
[10:03] <Thehound666> wtf lol
[10:03] <dust> d'oh
[10:04] <Thehound666> I copied pasted them
[10:04] <Thehound666> so that one's not on me
[10:04] <pgdown> has anyone taken the red hat certs?
[10:04] <dust> :)
[10:04] <Valmarko> what is linux ?
[10:04] <Thehound666> yay
[10:04] <Kyral> Valmarko: A way of life
[10:04] <agnostic> on my Edgy,  Ctrl+Alt+Fn  combination do not work, any idea?
[10:04] <Thehound666> now I can do away with this vm now that I know I can install compatible drivers for my very new card
[10:05] <Valmarko> ;) yaaa
[10:05] <Thehound666> well not do away, what I want to do is have it use same partition as Linux install for when I boot to windows
[10:05] <LjL> agnostic: when inside X, or when in a console?
[10:05] <Thehound666> since I often need to run rtorrent
[10:05] <dust> beware tho, I had a pain getting fglx drivers working, and when the finally did, and I tried enabeling translucency and other goodies, it turned out poop
[10:05] <dethklok> Valmarko, Now, what will you do with that amazing banana sticker?
[10:05] <dethklok> lol
[10:06] <agnostic> inside X
[10:06] <dethklok> agnostic, i like that word
[10:06] <Thehound666> these may be different
[10:06] <Thehound666> released Jan 17 2007
[10:06] <Thehound666> brand new drivers
[10:06] <Valmarko> good question ? what would you do ?
[10:06] <dethklok> I really don't know... Maybe stick it on my monitor.. Lol.
[10:07] <dust> Thehound666: you want to install linux on the same partition as windows?
[10:07] <Thehound666> no
[10:07] <Thehound666> seperate partition
[10:07] <Thehound666> just have a VM with access to Linux
[10:07] <Thehound666> for when I need to run windows
[10:07] <dust> ah
[10:08] <Thehound666> like the game that's my crack
[10:08] <Thehound666> FFXI
[10:08] <Valmarko> maybe... ubuntu it ?
[10:08] <animimotus> please, how can I switch the standard sound output to my headset usb?
 do you know what means?
[10:09] <Valmarko> ubuntu=share
[10:09] <dethklok> agnostic, Yeah, I am it
[10:09] <dethklok> agnostic, but I have allways found a weird attraction to the word itself
[10:09] <Thehound666> the install package has a cute penguin
[10:10] <Thehound666> guess ATI are still Linux fans
[10:10] <Thehound666> new drivers are out
[10:10] <Valmarko> dethklok, ubuntu = share
[10:10] <agnostic> me to :)
[10:10] <dethklok> agnostic, lol... well i kinda assumed that.. lol
[10:10] <Valmarko> dethklok, ubuntu <=> share
[10:10] <dethklok> Valmarko, huh?
[10:10] <Valmarko> :)
[10:11] <dethklok> What, you want more banana stickers? lol
[10:11] <Valmarko> I'm answering your question :)
[10:11] <dethklok> Valmarko, oooooooo ic
[10:12] <Valmarko> oooohhh ;)
[10:12] <dethklok> lol
[10:12] <Valmarko> lol
[10:12] <dust> btw: anyone know what/where to edit to change the application launched when I click on links in gaim? now it's konqueror and I want it to be firefox
[10:12] <dethklok> sry im kinda distracted atm... installing kdegames
[10:12] <pucko-> Hello. When I used suse some time ago I had a button in konqueror (file browsing mod) that allowed me to watch images in a sane way (all images as thumbnails to the left and a large image in the main window). Can I add that in kubuntu 6.10 as well?
[10:15] <angasule> pucko-: don't know about that exactly, but sounds a lot like gwenview
[10:16] <dust> I've tried pretty much all the image managers, and gwenview is fast for browsing, while digikam is great for archiving and imporing
[10:17] <Valmarko> hello everybody! hello kubunuts! ;=)
[10:17] <dethklok> who likes the donnie darko movie?
[10:17] <dust> I do :D
[10:17] <dust> ..why?
[10:18] <dethklok> what's your interpertation (sp?) on the movie?
[10:18] <dethklok> i think i understnad the basic idea behind the movie.. but not sure
[10:18] <dethklok> understand*
[10:18] <Valmarko> ummm... what about ring II?
[10:18] <dethklok> never saw either of the ring 's
[10:18] <Valmarko> i just saw it
[10:18] <Valmarko> very nice
[10:19] <dethklok> i heard the Jap. version of Ring 1 was really good
[10:19] <dethklok> ._.
[10:19] <Valmarko> the grudge ? amazing !!
[10:19] <dethklok> Eek, I only saw the end of that movie, seemed alright
[10:20] <Skrot-> Booring..
[10:20] <Skrot-> Both grudge and ring*
[10:20] <dethklok> I liked Hostel, pretty good mov.
[10:20] <Valmarko> ummm.... maybe it's not your kind of movie
[10:21] <Skrot-> Saw was okay, for a horro flick
[10:21] <dethklok> Maybe
[10:21] <Valmarko> hostel... yaa
[10:21] <dethklok> 1,2,or3?
[10:21] <stdin> getting a bit -offtopic now
[10:21] <dethklok> Lol, so...
[10:21] <Valmarko> chek republik
[10:21] <dethklok> Huh?
[10:21] <stdin> !offtopic
[10:21] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[10:21] <dethklok> Aww, that's no fun :)
[10:22] <dust> :P
[10:22] <dethklok> And besides, is there anybody that needs help with Kubuntu at this very moment?
[10:22] <dethklok> (not that im able to help... lol)
[10:22] <Valmarko> lol
[10:22] <stdin> don't matter, it just keeps this channel clear for support
[10:22] <dethklok> Mmkay
[10:23] <Valmarko> lets go off topic
[10:23] <Thehound666> what my friend from a tracker says is right
[10:23] <dethklok> Let's talk about MySpace!! Lol.
[10:23] <dethklok> !myspace
[10:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about myspace - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:23] <dethklok> Aww :(
[10:23] <Thehound666> WINE-because you demand the stability of Windows 95, without all the compatibility
[10:23] <Thehound666> lol
[10:24] <dethklok> Wine Is Not an Emulator!
[10:24] <Valmarko> ubotu... i wish you could rule the world sone day
[10:24] <dust> btw: anyone know what/where to edit to change the application launched when I click on links in gaim? now it's konqueror and I want it to be firefox
[10:24] <dethklok> Pff, he/she/it dosen't even know what MySpace is...
[10:24] <Thehound666> I wish they would develop for it, eliminating the need for such projects as WINE
[10:24] <dust> since everyone want's to be ontopic :)
[10:25] <stdin> dust: sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[10:25] <dethklok> Hehe, like I said, I cant help :(
[10:25] <dust> :)
[10:25] <Thehound666> if anyone gets http-tunnelclient.exe running smooth under WINE let me know
[10:26] <mervteck> hey guys
[10:26] <frojnd> has anyone experiances with keyboard layouts?
[10:26] <frojnd> cant set keyboard to slovenia layout
[10:26] <frojnd> and now everything is fu** up
[10:26] <dethklok> Give me love give me liberty disco!
[10:26] <frojnd> cant find apostroph
[10:26] <Valmarko> ummm
[10:26] <frojnd> afna, slas etc
[10:27] <dust> frojnd: since using xfce, I found out that it's in xorg.conf, but kubuntu have wizards for it
[10:27] <frojnd> I tryed by sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg but no good luck
[10:27] <Thehound666> my friend who says that uses Linux, but needs to dual boot
[10:27] <Valmarko> let's dance. the spirit is ubuntu!!!!!
[10:27] <dethklok> Umm, I installed kdegames and its not in my kickerbar... What do I do?
[10:27] <frojnd> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg also not good luck :s
[10:27] <Thehound666> try running it in Konsole?
[10:28] <frojnd> dust: maybe u know for any type of those wizards?
[10:28] <dust> sec
[10:28] <dethklok> Thehound666, what would the command be for that?
[10:29] <stdin> dethklok: games will be in Kmenu -> Games, if you don't see them, try logging out and back in, or kill kicker and restart it
[10:29] <dust> K --> System Settings --> Regional & Language --> Keyboard layout
[10:29] <blackflag> does someone one if i can play "studio 8" under kubuntu
[10:29] <blackflag> ?
[10:30] <blackflag> !studio 8
[10:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about studio 8 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:30] <dethklok> stdin, how do you kill the kicker and restart it?
[10:30] <dust> or, you could edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and find the Keyboard section
[10:30] <Valmarko> studio 8? what's that ?
[10:30] <stdin> dethklok: Alt-F2, killall kicler && kicker
[10:30] <blackflag> macromedia developer tools
[10:30] <Valmarko> uaoooo
[10:30] <blackflag> web developing
[10:31] <Valmarko> developing... develop+ingg
[10:31] <blackflag> is there something like cross over office?
[10:31] <Valmarko> What about enjoying ??
[10:31] <dethklok> stdin, humm, didnt work
[10:31] <dust> blackflag: wine maybe? theres a Application db on winehq.org
[10:31] <blackflag> I want to run Linux in my firm but some peoleple are needing there software
[10:31] <dethklok> brb I guess then
[10:32] <stdin> dethklok: try logging out and back in then
[10:32] <colm> hey, i just downloaded a tar ball source, and it doesn't have ./configure in it... Is there other ways I can install it?
[10:33] <stdin> Sanit: dose it have a Makefile ?
[10:33] <Valmarko> I would like to have compiz install and running in my system --- kubuntu 6.10. What should I do ?
[10:33] <Sanit> not in the extracted tar ball folder
[10:34] <stdin> !compiz
[10:34] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[10:34] <stdin> Sanit: maybe you need automake and/or autoconf
[10:35] <Sanit> can you give me the commands for that please?
[10:35] <Valmarko> please... that site doe not give me instructions about installing compiz on kubunut... i need some other kinf of help... Of course,... Please
[10:35] <stdin> Sanit: sudo apt-get install automake autoconf
[10:35] <stdin> Valmarko: See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[10:35] <Valmarko> ahhh... lety me see . tnks :)
[10:36] <Sanit> stdin: That installed... now what?
[10:36] <dethklok> Whoo, It worked!
[10:36] <stdin> Sanit: try just typing "autoconf" or "automake"
[10:37] <Sanit> i did
[10:37] <Sanit> errors
[10:37] <Sanit> autoconf: no input file
[10:37] <stdin> Sanit: what are you trying to compile ?
[10:37] <malik> can some1 tell me whats the correct flsh plugin for konqi and ff on kubuntu edgy?
[10:38] <angasule> !flash
[10:38] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:38] <Sanit> stdin: http://louhi.kempele.fi/~skyostil/uv/fretsonfire/
[10:38] <Thehound666> going to lay the groundwork for Installing a real Linux partition
[10:38] <Thehound666> hopefully have good luck
[10:38] <Thehound666> slower pc is nix only
[10:38] <angasule> hmm, that command made me think of the old Flash movie song, "Flash! ooo-oo-ooooooooh!"
[10:38] <malik> i have   Shockwave Flash 9.0 r31  libflashplayer.so installed in /home/malik/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so ..........is it correct insytallation?
[10:39] <Cuddles_in_KY> afternoon all.
[10:39] <LordOllie> can anyone tell me the what is was the I need to type into "run command" to be able to install a new kde theme?
[10:39] <dethklok> Gah, I'm still hungry :(
[10:39] <Cuddles_in_KY> ok folks. last chance here.
[10:39] <Valmarko> shokwave ... ? there is no shokwave for ubuntu
[10:40] <Cuddles_in_KY> is there an ndiswrapper expert around? 4 days i've been beating my brains out over this.
[10:40] <dethklok> Cuddles_in_KY, try #ndiswrapper
[10:40] <LordOllie> Cuddles_in_KY: I got to do this first !automatix2
[10:40] <LordOllie> wrong command?
[10:41] <dethklok> LordOllie, Is your name Ollie?
[10:41] <LordOllie> yes
[10:41] <dethklok> Were you born in alaska?
[10:41] <LordOllie> no, Maine
[10:41] <dethklok> Ok, nevermind
[10:41] <dethklok> lol
[10:41] <frojnd> dust: I tryed in system settings, but I am only able to enable layout nor select the right one, in xorg.conf I set layout to si, but nothing happens
[10:41] <francis> bonjour
[10:42] <dethklok> francis, try #france
[10:42] <dust> frojnd: you need to restart X for changes in xorg.conf to be applied
[10:42] <dust> ie: save all documents, hit ctrl+alt+backspace and see if that helps
[10:42] <francis> ca marche comment sur kubuntu pour conversation ???
[10:42] <Valmarko> I was born in Santa Maria
[10:43] <Valmarko> francis, please
[10:43] <stdin> Sanit: what's in the file you downloaded ?
[10:43] <francis> je dois faire quoi ??
[10:43] <Valmarko> I know , french is beautiful
[10:43] <stdin> !fr | francis
[10:43] <ubotu> francis: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:43] <dust> haha
[10:44] <dust> french frog-eating-whatnot :p
[10:44] <Valmarko> But... I'm portuguese and I'm speaking ( badly) englis
[10:44] <Valmarko> Do as I amk
[10:44] <Sanit> stdin: .so files but no configure or make files
[10:44] <dethklok> !ge
[10:44] <ubotu>       #ubuntu-ge - ~ For Georgian language support, please join #ubuntu-ge
[10:44] <dethklok> wtf, Georgian?
[10:45] <dust> heh
[10:45] <francis> et ca va me donner quoi sur ubuntu fr ??
[10:45] <LordOllie> !dl
[10:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:45] <LordOllie> !de
[10:45] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:45] <dethklok> !gr
[10:45] <ubotu> #ubuntu-gr  #kubuntu-gr     /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[10:45] <LordOllie> there you go
[10:45] <Valmarko> french is really beautiful...
[10:45] <dethklok> I'm going for german
[10:45] <dethklok> !gm
[10:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:45] <stdin> !botabuse
[10:45] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[10:45] <VSpike> !de
[10:45] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:45] <Valmarko> !pt
[10:45] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[10:45] <now3d> in C++ how can I set up my member function so it won't be overridden in a derived class?
[10:46] <dethklok> !c++
[10:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about c++ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:46] <dethklok> lol
[10:46] <VSpike> Is there a tool for configuring the kdm display manager login screen?
[10:46] <dethklok> !login
[10:46] <francis> ca defille trop vite a l ecran
[10:46] <ubotu> login: system login tools. In component main, is required. Version 1:4.0.16-2ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 306 kB, installed size 2776 kB
[10:46] <dust> I think there is a optiong in settings?
[10:46] <dethklok> !loginscreen
[10:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about loginscreen - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:46] <LordOllie> !splashscreen
[10:46] <ubotu> To change the Gnome splash screen, use !gnome-splashscreen-manager or change the GConf key /apps/gnome-session/options/splash_image using !gconf-editor.
[10:47] <jhutchins> VSpike: Yeah, it's in the System Settings, Login Manager I think.
[10:47] <LordOllie> !kde
[10:47] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[10:47] <dethklok> !splashscreenkde
[10:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about splashscreenkde - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:47] <francis> cest la premiere fois que je met konversation en route
[10:47] <LordOllie> !kth
[10:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kth - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:47] <dethklok> BRB, I just renember I have a book for this!!!
[10:47] <dethklok> gimme a sec
[10:47] <LordOllie> !kdetheme
[10:47] <stdin> VSpike: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu#head-4b3b5593ae454ea8991ad90ceb81f453a0e6ab82
[10:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdetheme - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:47] <Valmarko> la premier fois....
[10:47] <LordOllie> !kdethemes
[10:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdethemes - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:47] <stdin> ok, enough abusing the bot now
[10:47] <LjL> hey, what's all this spam? stop, will you?
[10:47] <VSpike> jhutchins: thanks
[10:48] <VSpike> stdin: thanks
[10:48] <LordOllie> a lot faster then Oort
[10:48] <stdin> Sanit: ahh, it's not source code
[10:48] <dethklok> Back!!!
[10:49] <ten_> Hi, just testing Kubuntu (herd2). Got one small problem with my Logitech Dinovo Edge keyboard (mouse pad is not working, keyboard is working fine)
[10:49] <stdin> Sanit: just run the "FretsOnFire" script like: ./FretsOnFire (from konsole)
[10:49] <Valmarko> :)
[10:49] <malik> !flash
[10:49] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:49] <stdin> ten_: for feisty issues use #ubuntu+1
[10:49] <ten_> thanks
[10:49] <dethklok> !kdm
[10:49] <ubotu> kdm: X display manager for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 611 kB, installed size 1480 kB
[10:49] <visik7> arts insert a glitch at the end of a event sound how can I remove it ?
[10:49] <dethklok> there we go, its called KDM
[10:50] <dethklok> Come on ride the train, n ride it!
[10:51] <jhutchins> visik7: Use alsa.
[10:52] <visik7> how ?
[10:52] <visik7> jhutchins: they are the sound of events , for example bluetooth plugged/unplagged
[10:52] <visik7> or knemo interface up/down
[10:52] <visik7> ecc...
[10:53] <jhutchins> visik7: Install the alsa packages, then in the kde configuration for sound events point it to the alsa sound system.
[10:53] <visik7> alsa is installed by default
[10:54] <visik7> is there some particular package that u mean ?
[10:54] <malik> hi ..................the flash plugin in my /usr/lib/firefox/plugins directory has a lock sign on it any idea how to remove that sign from there?
[10:55] <jhutchins> visik7: Ok, you said that arts was inserting the glitch, don't use arts.
[10:56] <adaptr> malik: it means it has restricted permissions for you - why do you want to change it ?
[10:56] <visik7> there isn't any way to tell kde to don't use arts for system sound (even if I dunno it's really arts that run this sound)
[10:57] <kub23> Hi ppls, its again me
[10:57] <malik> adaptr: because i think it is part of the reason that i cant play video clips from http://video.ninemsn.com.au
[10:57] <adaptr> visik7: if that is a question, no - KDE uses Arts
[10:57] <adaptr> aRts, even
[10:58] <jhutchins> adaptr: What version?
[10:58] <jhutchins> I thought 3.5 was using alsa.
[10:58] <visik7> btw switching on and off bluetooth kde says bluetooth adapter found and it play a sound that end with a glitch
[10:58] <jhutchins> arts is obsolete.
[10:59] <adaptr> jhutchins: tell me about it - but I think it depends on the sound-wanting apps you run , which KDE libs they were compiled for
[10:59] <malik> adaptr: if you are using FF then can you plz check and try to play any clip from http://video.ninemsn.com.au if its working in ur browser
[11:00] <visik7> arts is running switching it off no sound is played on bluetooth on/off event
[11:00] <adaptr> malik: it tells me that this product *requires* Windows Media Player 10
[11:01] <visik7> btw when I playt the test sound  there isn't glitch
[11:01] <malik> when i try it it tells me that i need IE but videos from their mother website video.msn.com do play
[11:02] <malik> there was some1 here yesterday who could play videos from ninemsn but he/she couldnt be bothered tellin how to accomplish that
[11:05] <kub23> hey ppls, i have question... why when i download files with KTorrent or some other torrent client for linux, the torrent dont wan to start downloading in Ktorrent i'm seeing "STALLED" i've succesfully downloaded only 1 torrent, and deleted it, can't download more
[11:05] <dethklok> How can I find out if I use Lilo or Grub?
[11:05] <jhutchins> kub23: Possibly there aren't any seeds for what you're trying to download.
[11:06] <jhutchins> dethklok: You'll have /etc/lilo.conf and "which lilo" if lilo's installed.  You should also see the name of the bootloader when you start the sytem.
[11:06] <kub23> jhutchuns: am, i don't think so becouse there are alot of seeders, more than 30 and i'm downloading from Local torrents... speed up to 16mb/s
[11:07] <Xera> omg omg omg
[11:07] <Xera> i backed up ALL my data to dvds
[11:07] <Xera> and windows can't read them
[11:07] <Xera> f*ck
[11:07] <kub23> jhutchins*
[11:07] <dethklok> jhutchins, i don't see a lilo.conf or grub.conf.. lol
[11:08] <Xera> ok need help: i burned a load of data with k3b to some 4.7gb rw dvds, 4x, windows cannot read the dvds but linux can -- why? :S
[11:08] <koli> hello everybody
[11:08] <koli> can someone help me?
[11:08] <koli> i want to know how to install xgl on kubuntu
[11:09] <dethklok> !xgl | koli
[11:09] <ubotu> koli: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[11:09] <Nookie^> hi! how can i use some ubuntu theme in my kubuntu.. for now gaim is very ugly?
[11:09] <Nookie^> what package to install?
[11:09] <kub23> .
[11:10] <jhutchins> dethklok: If you have grub (probably) you'll see something in /boot.
[11:11] <jhutchins> /boot/grub usually
[11:11] <jhutchins> Nookie^: gaim is not a kde app and probably won't respond to themes.
[11:12] <dethklok> jhutchins, ok I have grub
[11:12] <dethklok> thx
[11:12] <Nookie^> jhutchins: there i an option to choose in kcontrol to run gtk themes
[11:12] <Nookie^> but how do i install them
[11:12] <Nookie^> what package
[11:13] <kub23> Someone please tell me what i have to do to register in this chat:( i've readed alot but, don't undersanding alot english :(
[11:14] <dethklok> kub23, /msg nickserv register help
[11:14] <dethklok> kub23, sorry i mean /msg nickserv help
[11:15] <dust> Xera: tried reading it in raw mode?
[11:16] <Xera> how do i do that?
[11:16] <Xera> ;/
[11:16] <kub24> lolz
[11:16] <kub24> i think now i am registered
[11:17] <mau12> I need help
[11:17] <Thehound666> omg! why did I ever use that crappy Kasablanca that's slow compared to my NIC and crashes on huge files?
[11:17] <Thehound666> I never knew Konqueror functioned as an ftp client
[11:18] <Thehound666> and it does well
[11:18] <mau12> i've downloaded the last version of open office but I can0
[11:18] <Xera> dust: how do i read it in raw mode?
[11:19] <mau12> but I can't install the package tar.gz
[11:19] <user-land> I just updated to kubuntu-desktop and now the default movie player tells me to install libdvdcss.
[11:19] <user-land> what should i ask ubotu so i go to the right tutorial for that ?
[11:19] <malik> whats the best flsh plkugin package to install?.............libflash-mozilla or flash-nonfree?
[11:20] <stdin> malik: flashplugin-nonfree
[11:20] <Xera> mau12: un-tar the file with ark(just click it and it should open)
[11:20] <ubuntu_> j
[11:20] <stdin> user-land: you don't have to install it, it's used to play encrypted DVDs
[11:20] <jhutchins> mau12: If you install tar.gz files you break the package management system.
[11:21] <user-land> thanks stdin
[11:21] <dethklok> Has anybody played that flash game that came out awhile back... I believe it was called "The Room"
[11:22] <mau12> Are you sure, i have installed another package but with this uctually di don't know
[11:22] <dethklok> Where you locked in these rooms and you have to find clues to unlock the door to the next room
[11:22] <jhutchins> mau12: Yes.
[11:22] <jhutchins> mau12: Better to use what's available through apt-get or aptitude.
[11:22] <jhutchins> mau12: I think that's pretty current anyway.
[11:23] <Thehound666> why did noone tell me Konqueror was an ftp client?
[11:23] <Thehound666> I just stumbled upon the info
[11:23] <jhutchins> mau12: You are going to need at least 10GB free to install OO from a tarball (tar.gz).
[11:23] <Thehound666> must say a versatile app
[11:23] <jhutchins> Thehound666: That's a pretty standard feature for browsers for a long time noe.
[11:23] <jhutchins> now.
[11:23] <user-land> because you use a bad nickname ?
[11:23] <Thehound666> does firefox send files too?
[11:24] <Thehound666> I'm backing up files to Windows until I install new Linux partition
[11:24] <Thehound666> via ftp transfer
[11:24] <stdin> Thehound666: nope, but you can install an extention to do that
[11:24] <mau12> If i don't install from a tar what should i do? how can i upgrade it isnt in adept manager
[11:24] <dethklok> !kdeadmin
[11:25] <Thehound666> 10.5 MB/sec, limited by a lousy NIC on the other pc
[11:25] <stdin> dethklok: ubotu isn't here
[11:25] <dethklok> stdin, what.. I thought it was a bot?
[11:26] <stdin> dethklok: it is, but it left (crashed/exited), but ubotwo is here now, it's replacement :)
[11:26] <dethklok> !kdeadmin
[11:26] <ubotwo> kdeadmin - system administration tools from the official KDE release - available in Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) - See http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for more information
[11:26] <dethklok> stdin, lol, wow
[11:26] <stdin> !bot
[11:26] <ubotwo> This is a temporary replacement for Ubotu. You can browse Ubotu's brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:27] <dethklok> so could i change my name to ubuto
[11:27] <LjL> dethklok: not advised
[11:27] <LjL> besides, it's ubotu
[11:27] <stdin> heh :P
[11:27] <Thehound666> well no more Kasablanca, that app=too crash prone
[11:28] <dethklok> LjL, well then it wouldnt have mattered anyways :-p
[11:28] <dethklok> lol
[11:30] <dethklok> LjL, lol, i just looked back at what i typed... I spelt it right...
[11:30] <dethklok> lol
[11:30] <dethklok> oh wait... nevermind
[11:30] <LjL> err no :P
[11:30] <pixelation> hello, I have two different modifications for my WINE registry... I would love to put em in there, but the only thing I've ever done is clean registry, how do I get up in there and add these two.
[11:30] <pixelation> put them at the bottom?
[11:30] <pixelation> like system.list?
[11:31] <LjL> pixelation: uh, can't you just use regedit.exe?
[11:31] <pixelation> I've never used it, I have some registry editing software, but how does it work?
[11:31] <pixelation> is it user friendly?
[11:32] <LjL> pixelation: it's just like the regedit that's in MS Windows
[11:32] <LjL> type "regedit" at a shell, and there you go
[11:32] <pixelation> I've never used it tho... is it drag and drop or?
[11:32] <stdin> pixelation: not a clue, but you can ask in #winehq
[11:32] <LjL> no it's a tree view
[11:32] <pixelation> so if I type regedit... then do I just copy my new reg entry at the bottom?
[11:33] <LjL> hm no you edit keys and values
[11:33] <pixelation> k thanks.
[11:33] <savtronic> hi
[11:33] <LjL> but
[11:33] <LjL> pixelation, i suppose it has options for adding a .reg file automatically, if that's what you have
[11:33] <pixelation> yes... I have two reg files
[11:33] <stdin> one good reason to choose linux, no registry :)
[11:34] <pixelation> yeah...
[11:34] <stdin> (unless you use gnome)
[11:34] <stdin> :P
[11:34] <LjL> i was going to say that
[11:34] <LjL> pixelation: Registry / Import registry file <- should do the trick
[11:34] <dethklok> I typed regedit and it opened the registry of my other hdd lol
[11:34] <jhutchins> regedit
[11:35] <pixelation> sweet, I'll try to figure out that way :)
[11:35] <mervteck> hey guys
[11:36] <Thehound666> I should keep Kubuntu tiny and make a large FAT32 partition right?
[11:36] <Thehound666> If I dual boot
[11:36] <HymnToLife> !hi | mervteck
[11:36] <ubotwo> mervteck: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[11:36] <Thehound666> so that both OS can grab files
[11:37] <LjL> Thehound666: tiny, perhaps not...
[11:37] <LjL> a FAT32 partition is certainly a common choice for data exchange
[11:37] <LjL> however, Windows can read and even write ext3 with the right software, although i suppose writing at least can't quite be recommended
[11:37] <Thehound666> but I could just point my torrent client to the mounted partition, correct?
[11:37] <LjL> and so can Linux do with NTFS, though that's hard to set up and even more dangerous
[11:38] <Thehound666> oh it can read eh?
[11:38] <Thehound666> all I need
[11:38] <Thehound666> what do I need to get?
[11:38] <LjL> !ext3 | Thehound666
[11:38] <ubotwo> Thehound666: ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[11:38] <HymnToLife> TheGateKeeper, google for "ext2ifs"
[11:38] <LjL> there are others too, google "windows ext3" and "windows ext2"
[11:39] <Thehound666> nice bot
[11:39] <Thehound666> he knows everything
[11:39] <HymnToLife> !ubotwo
[11:39] <ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[11:39] <LjL> !ubotwo is <alias> ubotu
[11:39] <ubotwo> LjL: I'll remember that, LjL
[11:44] <dope> is there another program like kompose but faster that i can use?
[11:44] <adaran> is there any way i can stop adept (especially the notifier) from updating a package?
[11:45] <LjL> !pinning | adaran
[11:45] <ubotwo> adaran: pinning is an advanced feature that APT can use to prefer particular packages over others. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[11:46] <kub24> Someone can tell me, can Kubuntu Burn, or converd .dmg files to ISO ?
[11:52] <dope> is there anyway to see what a shortcut key is bound to?
[11:53] <stdin> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Keyboard Shortcuts ?
[11:55] <dethklok> !themes
[11:55] <ubotwo> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[11:56] <TheGateKeeper> HymnToLife, think you got the wrong person :p
[11:56] <Eyeless> is there a way to make a single packege available from a repository? (ie i want just flash9 from backports)
[11:57] <adamwest> he
[11:57] <adamwest> *y
[11:57] <Eyeless> lo
[11:58] <dope> do some of the plugins not work in kopete?
[11:58] <dope> like spell check and the translator?
[11:59] <adamwest> umm what's the KDE official irc channel?
[11:59] <stdin> adamwest: #kde
[11:59] <adaran> Eyeless, i assume downloading the package and installing is not an option?
[11:59] <adamwest> in ubuntu? where
[12:00] <Eyeless> adaran: i rather not:P
[12:00] <adaran> Eyeless, well, i'm no expert on pinning, but i guess you could try setting a low priority for the whole repository, then raising it again for a single package
[12:00] <LjL> adamwest: uh?
[12:00] <adaran> Eyeless, not sure if that'll work though - but i think it could =)
[12:00] <adamwest> nm, thanks stdin and LjL
[12:01] <Eyeless> hmm, k. maybe installing a single package is easierthen
[12:01] <stdin> Eyeless: you could enable the repo, then just choose to upgrade flashplugin-nonfree then disable the repo
[12:01] <Eyeless> i ruined my last kubuntu install by installing lots of stuff from backports, si i thought that maybe this time i could keep the no of packageslow
[12:02] <dethklok> how do i install new kde themes? is it hard?
[12:02] <DJ_T_DoG> hi ppl
[12:03] <dethklok> !themes
[12:03] <flaccid> jucy?
[12:03] <ubotwo> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[12:03] <stdin> dethklok: nope, just follow the guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[12:04] <Eyeless> stdin: i think ill do that, if it whines later i can deal with it then :D
[12:05] <karmikaze> !compiz
[12:05] <ubotwo> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[12:05] <stdin> Eyeless: it should be fine
[12:05] <DJ_T_DoG> i got some problem. i have an ati rage 128 and when i chose that from the drivers and clicked on test, the image got all messed up and i had to forcefully reboot. then it chose a 640xsomething as max definition and the driver is vesa ou somethin. when i changed that again it did the same as before and when i tried vga it rebooted into a command line
[12:05] <DJ_T_DoG> how can i get the desktop back
[12:05] <DJ_T_DoG> ?
[12:06] <DJ_T_DoG> ...
[12:07] <stdin> DJ_T_DoG: you need to reconfigure the X server, to use another driver probably
[12:07] <DJ_T_DoG> how do i do that?
[12:07] <stdin> DJ_T_DoG: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[12:07] <DJ_T_DoG> i'm a newbie in kubuntu or linux at all
[12:08] <dope> skippy!
[12:09] <DJ_T_DoG> but why does the image gets all messed up when i test the ati rage 128 driver?
[12:09] <stdin> no clue, I don't have an ATI graphics card
[12:10] <DJ_T_DoG> k
[12:10] <dope> anyone in here use skippy?
[12:10] <DJ_T_DoG> now from the comand line how do i reboot?
[12:10] <dope> can't get the blasted thing to work
[12:11] <stdin> DJ_T_DoG: sudo shutdown -r now
[12:11] <DJ_T_DoG> thanks!
[12:11] <stdin> yw :)
[12:12] <DJ_T_DoG> do i need to instal any antivirus or firewall?
[12:12] <DJ_T_DoG> (for secure web browsing)
[12:12] <Goliath23> hi
[12:12] <Goliath23> I have icon-preview of image files but not on video files, can I change that?
[12:13] <stdin> DJ_T_DoG: not really, you can install a firewall if you want, but you don't need an antivirus
[12:13] <DJ_T_DoG> k
[12:13] <DJ_T_DoG> thanks
[12:13] <stdin> no problem :)
[12:14] <vbgunz> I cannot create a thunderbird account that actually works!
[12:14] <vbgunz> anyone, anybody know whats up here?
[12:14] <pgdown> any ideas on how I can preload firefox to open as fast as konqueror?