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facenewOT: a 30-min movie mocking kim jong il and his secret agent buying something from china: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=EE52D9ED0149568501:23
mdkesurely on the cusp between on-topic and off-topic01:23
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jdubhrm03:33
jdubwhat's with elementtree not working with python2.5?03:33
jduboh, perhaps it was included with python2.503:34
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BradonHjust looking for feedback on an idea i had. Launchpad is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/voip-tech-support04:45
BradonHmaybe ill try the #ubuntu irc..04:53
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jdongcjwatson: ping; is it possible for future backports processing to note the corresponding LP bug # in the changelog? That'd be really helpful for the UWN guys who try to document dapper/edgy updates in each issue05:01
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somerville32jdong: How would it help me?05:19
somerville32jdong: Are backports upload notifications not sent to -changes ml?05:19
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jdongsomerville32: it is sent to $distro-changes05:35
somerville32Right05:35
somerville32We simply list backports05:35
somerville32Why would we need to refer to the bug reports for them?05:36
jdongsomerville32: sometimes certain backports have more significance than "it's just a backport".... with my free time I'd like to expand on at least some of them05:36
somerville32Ah, ok05:36
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somerville32Sounds fair enough05:36
jdongand if I'm not around for doing that it'd be cool if others can do the same :)05:36
jdongjust trying to think how I could make that easier to do05:36
jdongsomerville32: like most notably, the recently built p7zip backport implements multithreaded compress and decompression for 7zip, which is a BIG deal for dual/quad-core users05:37
jdongand lzma is now easy enough that a caveman can use it (tm)05:37
somerville32Oh my05:37
somerville32:)05:37
jdongif not mentioned I doubt 90% of our user base would figure that out on their own... and being able to see the backport LP bug that led to a particular backport would be enlightening to a degree for those who like to "screen" their updates05:38
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Chipzzjdong: those who like to screen their updates would install apt-listchanges? :)06:12
jdongChipzz: well, having it in a weekly magazine like form makes more sense :)06:12
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jdonglike look at FWN06:13
jdongthey have full blog-style changelogs for all their updates :)06:13
jdongall 80 bazillion06:13
Chipzzfwn = fridge weekly news?06:14
jdongfedora06:15
Chipzzis apt-listchanges installed by default btw?06:15
Chipzzmight be a good idea, given that the news file sometimes has quite important information06:16
jdongno, it's not by default...06:17
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Kanohi, please update mc in feisty. it is broken badly!07:13
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Mezcjwatson, ping regarding devscripts07:29
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owhGreetings. On Jan 2 I sent an email to the u-devel list as suggested by sistpoty. I didn't receive any replies. I am not sure if I asked the wrong question, or broke any etiquette rules, but would like some feedback. This is the message: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel/23154,08:29
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Mithrandirowh: you might just have asked a question not many people are interested in.  Your mail isn't inappropriate, at least.08:32
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owhMithrandir: That's something then :-)08:33
owhHow would I best go about soliciting feedback?08:33
owhI am reluctant to implement new functionality as a bug fix.08:33
tepsipakkisomething in feisty decides to remove my .Xauthority on login08:34
Mithrandirowh: once Martin Pitt (pitt) shows up, you might want to talk to him, he's been doing most of the work on removable devices, etc, where fat is most common.08:34
Mithrandirowh: sorry, pitti is his irc nick.08:34
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MithrandirCET, so he should be around soonish.08:35
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owhMithrandir: Excellent. Thanks for that.08:36
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mjg59I have no idea what time my body thinks it is08:36
LaserJockwhere is the sprint being held this time?08:40
tepsipakkiOslo?08:40
tepsipakkiLaserjock: ^08:41
LaserJockoh yeah08:41
mjg59Yeah08:42
LaserJockseems like that would be a fun place to visit08:42
owhSprint?08:43
LaserJockalthough I've always wanted to go for my Nobel acceptance speech ;-)08:43
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LaserJockalthough I'm not sure Physical Chemists fair to well winning Nobel's08:45
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LaserJockI guess I'll just have to resign myself to making Ubuntu core-dev one of these days ;-)08:45
owhLaserJock: One step at a time...08:46
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olympionexwhat source does the livecd use for setting up the /etc/passwd when booting?  Something appears to be overwriting the /etc/passwd file in the squashfs.  I've checked the initrd, and preseeding and unionfs branches, but I don't see it yet.08:51
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owhpitti: Have you got a few moments to talk about FAT32?08:59
pittiowh: hi; not sure whether I'm the right one to talk to, but what's up?08:59
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LaserJockolympionex: could it be when the Livecd user is set up?09:01
owhpitti: I have been debugging dosfstools with sistpoty and sent an email to u-devel about some feature development. I would like some feedback on the message. http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel/2315409:01
owhpitti: I was told by Mithrandir:  that you have been working with removable drives where lots of FAT happens.09:02
pittiowh: I'll take a look at it in a bit (we'll have a talk now)09:03
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owhpitti: We, as in you and I, or you and others where you are?09:04
pittiowh: distro team meeting/sprint in Oslo, just started 5 minutes ago :)09:05
owhCool09:06
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Mithrandirpitti: I didn't know whom to point owh to, but you was my best guess. :-)  Feel free to redirect if you think somebody else is better/more appropriate.09:07
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pittiMithrandir: sure09:08
olympionexLaserJock: I believe that is what I'm looking for.  Where is that user setup?09:12
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LaserJockolympionex: I think there is some casper script that does it. I'm not positive about that though09:23
Mithrandirolympionex: casper preseeds the debconf db and calls the appropriate bit of user-setup09:28
Mithrandirbhale: you're the winner of a main inclusion report for serpentine.  muine needs it.09:29
olympionexMithrandir: where are those preseed configurations located?  I found the ubuntu.seed which has very little, so it must be after that09:32
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Mithrandirolympionex: in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/casper-bottom/10adduser09:35
olympionexMithrandir: thank you09:35
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dholbachgood morning09:49
simiramorning :)09:50
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Mithrandirseb128: gnome-applets need an upload; new libobbs soname.10:04
dholbachhey simira10:07
dholbachMithrandir: can you tell me, once you get libgtksourceviewmm out of binary NEW? (it's not urgent, just nice to know) :)10:08
fabbioneMithrandir: can i come close to you and look how SRU are done at archive management level? (yeah know.. glibc.. stuff like that :))10:10
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jonibowhere does one report packaging bugs...?10:13
jonibognome-applets has bad dependency on liboobs.10:14
Mithrandirfabbione: "q -Q unapproved -s edgy-updates accept glibc" you mean? :-)10:14
fabbionejonibo: launcpad10:14
fabbionelaunchpad.net ^^10:14
jonibobut "gnome-applets" does not use launchpad for bug tracking...10:14
fabbioneMithrandir: yeah :)10:14
Mithrandirjonibo: don't.10:14
joniboit is not an upstream bug but a packaging bug.10:14
Mithrandirjonibo: a) it's already reported, b) it will be fixed automatically with the new gnome today.10:14
jonibook... thanks.10:15
jonibobut for future reference, how would I have reported it... launchpad does not accept bugs for this package.10:15
fabbionejonibo: yes it does.. you just didn't look in the right place10:15
jonibofabbione: where? i am looking at it now and do not see it...10:16
Mithrandirjonibo: if you go https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-applets and you can choose "report a bug"10:16
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jonibogot it!  thanks.10:18
owhpitti: I'm just going to cook some meat on the barbie, but I'll be back.10:21
seb128jonibo: no need of open bugs about bad Dependencies during unstable cycle, they are automatically listed10:25
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Mithrandirdoko: python 2.5 includes python-chardet, was it so?  Should I remove it from the archive, then?12:06
ajmitchMithrandir: fire away12:07
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Mithrandirajmitch: look at the bugs ubuntu-archive is subscribed to and with status=needsinfo12:10
dokoMithrandir: is it?12:11
dokoI don't think so12:11
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Mithrandirdoko: or some other python package I uploaded.12:13
StevenK2.5 incles cytpes, I'm not certain if any others have been subsumed into it12:17
ajmitchcelementtree, iirc12:17
ajmitchso there are a few 12:17
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pochumaybe elementtree also?12:18
pochu:)12:18
ajmitchsure, there is a list of them12:19
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Mithrandirhi Scott12:29
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Mithrandircjwatson: 51149 > I thought I fixed this in dapper..12:30
Keybukhey Tollef12:30
Keybukgreetings from heathrow ...12:30
KeybukNB: I hate (a) flying (b) eyas12:30
ogra_yay, Scott is coming !12:31
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ogra_(and a bit with a)12:31
Mithrandirseb128: speaking og gnome control center, can you tell me why I don't have a control center menu item?12:31
Keybukthey typo'd my passport number on my ETA to Sydney ... which was fun to sort out at the check-in desk12:31
Keybukand for an encore, booked my connecting flight to Oslo on the day *before* mthe previous leg arrived :p12:32
bhaleMithrandir: sorry, are you sure? 'apt-cache showsrc muine | grep serpentine'12:32
Keybukwhich is always fun to find out after 24h on a plane12:32
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fabbioneKeybuk: having fun eh?12:34
Keybukfabbione: categorically, no!12:34
Keybukthe bright side is that the cheapest way to get me on the flight today was to send me Business Class, so I'm stocking up on the free coffee and muffins12:35
Mithrandirbhale: hmm, no.  It was on feisty_probs.html for a while.12:35
fabbioneKeybuk: ehehe12:35
Keybukwhich prevents me from eating the Tim Tams I bought for you all12:35
thomheh12:36
bhaleMithrandir: there was a muine cd burner plugin, but we never packaged it12:36
iwjKeybuk: So are you going to be late or will you make the flight originally intended ?12:36
bhaleseparate source12:36
bhaleshrug :)12:37
Keybukiwj: I'm on the flight I originally intended to be on :)12:37
iwj... and upgraded.  Excellent :-).12:37
Keybukhow is Oslo anyway?  cold and snowy, I hope?12:37
iwjYes, cold and some snow.12:38
Keybukit will make a refreshing change after the 40'C in Sydney12:38
Mithrandirbhale: well, if it's fixed itself, I'm happy.12:38
StevenKKeybuk: It so wasn't 40.12:39
KeybukStevenK: it was on Sunday :-/12:39
bhaleMithrandir: alright, if it turns out to be a real problem please hit me with the clue bat12:39
StevenKHrm. I don't remember it being 40.12:39
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seb128Mithrandir: do you have a gnomecc.desktop to /etc/xdg/menus/settings.menu?12:58
Mithrandirseb128: looks like it, yes.12:59
seb128Mithrandir: what version of gnome-panel is installed? did you restart your panel since you updated it?12:59
Mithrandirii  gnome-panel    2.16.2-0ubuntu4 launcher and docking facility for GNOME 201:00
MithrandirI think I've rebooted since, so yes.01:00
seb128version is correct01:00
seb128could you try to restart the panel in case?01:00
Mithrandirseb128: my user isn't a member of the admin group, though01:01
seb128Mithrandir: should not make a difference01:01
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zygahello02:06
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Hobbseehey zyga 02:10
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simiradholbach: are you guys back from lunch? Can you prod Tollef for me?02:17
dholbachsimira: can't see him02:17
dholbachsimira: but I'll prod him once he's near me02:18
simiradholbach: hrmf. Probably meeting someone then.02:18
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jwendelldoko, around? i'm getting error related to myspell while compiling firefox (feisty). Any idea?02:26
dokojwendell: works fine for me (and on the buildd's as well)02:27
jwendelldoko, i just did an apt-get source firefox and ran debuild on it...02:27
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triceratopsdue to freedesktop org Bug 7097 keystrokes for Zoom X Desktop don't work. Am I right that the listed patch No2 is not included in Ubuntu Xorg? Does anyone know if there is a way to have X zoom keystrokes?02:29
UbugtuMalone bug 7097 in util-linux "util-linux: [hwclock]  want option to suppress drift information in --show" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/709702:29
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owhdoko: I was told on the weekend that you are the one to talk to about OO.o - I have figured out that the official downloaded version is different from the Ubuntu shipped on - in my case, specifically the Empty/Not Empty Auto Filter is missing. In the Ubuntu package I am unable to determine where you get the OO.o source from, The readme just says that it is out of date WRT v2.0.02:32
jwendelldoko, mozMySpell.h:59:24: error: hunspell.hxx: File not found02:32
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jwendelldoko, it seems ./configure is not translating @MOZ_MYSPELL_CFLAGS@ ...02:35
jwendelldoko, any idea?02:39
dokojwendell: did you rebuild configure?02:40
jwendelldoko, yes, i ran autoconf02:40
dokoowh: http://go-ooo.org/packages/OOE680/02:41
dokojwendell: not my problem anymore :)02:41
jwendellwow, thanks02:41
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owhdoko: Tah muchly :-)02:42
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jwendellsomebody can help me on compiling firefox? i'm just trying to help ubuntu...02:52
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jwendelldholbach, which command should i run to become autoconf.mk.in in autoconf.mk ?02:55
dholbachautoconf?02:56
jwendelldholbach, it looks for a configure.in file...02:58
dholbachah, you don't have that, hm02:58
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jdonginfinity: ping?03:15
infinityjdong: pong.03:16
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jdonginfinity: did you get the messages I left for you from like two days ago? :)03:16
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infinityjdong: The one about the whacky build failure?03:16
jdonginfinity: yeah....03:16
infinityjdong: I got it, I looked at it for a few seconds, went "that's not an obvious failure I know" and backburnered it for a bit while I'm putting out some bigger fires.03:17
infinityjdong: Could you perhaps email me about it, so it doesn't slip off my radar?  IRC backscroll is a horrible TODO list.03:17
jdongok, sure03:17
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infinityjdong: Thanks.03:37
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bddebianHeya03:56
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Kanohi, could someone update xine-ui to the one from sid?04:28
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Kanovdr keybindings are missing in feisty one and there are 2 menu entries for it04:30
jdongKano: you might get a better response in #ubuntu-motu, the channel for universe development04:30
Kanook04:30
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saispohi04:49
saispoanyone work on debian-installer ?04:49
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carlospitti: ping04:52
pittihey carlos04:52
carlospitti: hi, I'm looking at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-gnome-es/+bug/7958904:52
UbugtuMalone bug 79589 in language-pack-gnome-es "language-pack-gnome-es not fully translated" [High,In progress]  04:52
carlospitti: how's that you uploaded a 20061201 package on 2007-01-15 ?04:53
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pitticarlos: apparently because there haven't been any updates since that date04:54
pitticarlos: I only upload a new version to the dailies if there are actually changes04:55
carlosso you mean that since 1st December, daily packages have been exporting the same ?04:55
carlosno one did a translation in Dapper?04:55
pitticarlos: not all of them, just for gnome-es04:55
carlosoh, I see04:56
carlosok04:56
carlosI'm a bit confused04:56
carlospitti: which tar.gz from Rosetta should I check?04:56
carloslatest04:56
carlosor the one on December?04:56
pitticarlos: check for what?04:56
pittinew translations?04:56
pittiwell, we should diff both then, I guess04:56
carlospitti: check why gnome-panel is not translated04:56
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carlosok, so the timestamp in the version04:57
carlosis the timestamp of the export from Rosetta, right?04:57
pittiright04:57
carlosok04:57
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carloshmm, I don't have any tarball from December, I removed them already as part of the cleanup we agreed to do from time to time...04:59
carlosI will check latest one04:59
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keescookmornin'!05:09
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zulhey keescook 05:10
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keescookhi zul :)05:11
pittihey keescook, had a nice time at LCA?05:14
keescookpitti: hi pitti.  yeah!  I spent the bulk of my time exploring Sydney, but I had fun meeting some (previously) online-only friends, listening to talks, hacking^Wusing the wifi, etc.05:15
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pittikeescook: I enjoyed the sun, Nice, and Monaco/Monte Carlo in the meantime :)05:17
keescookpitti: excellent!  Looks like you were quite busy on Mon/Tue with security things, too.  Thanks!05:18
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Mezthx to whoever did the sync of ra05:21
Mezr05:21
Mithrandiryou're welcome05:23
Mithrandirhmm, three clicks, one selection and three key presses to go to a bug report, mark the right task as fix released, assigned to me, with the contents of the clipboard as reason.  Not all bad.05:24
pittiMithrandir: but this will be reduced to zero with ChangelogClosesBugs soon? :-)05:26
Mithrandirpitti: no, since those are syncs.05:27
Mithrandirbut having alt-shift-[qwertyuio]  for opening tasks, alt-shift-p for paste-reason-mark-as-fixed-assign-to-me and alt-shift-s to save the report is really useful.05:27
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Mithrandirdoko: can you confirm https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat-systray/+bug/79608 ? You uploaded xchat last, so I guess you might know.05:47
UbugtuMalone bug 79608 in xchat-systray "xchat-systray is not necessary in feisty anymore" [Undecided,Confirmed]  05:47
Mithrandirogra_: ping05:48
Mithrandirkthx05:48
dokoMithrandir: just the python update, but I can confirm that it's in the systray without having xchat-systray installed05:48
fabbionesame here05:48
Mithrandirogra did too, but thanks. :-)05:49
jwendelldoko, can you check my patch for bug 68663?05:49
UbugtuMalone bug 68663 in firefox "[Edgy]  Incompatible with Google Toolbar." [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6866305:49
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dokojwendell: sorry, no.05:52
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jwendellmdz, can you?05:53
nukeDevHi All05:54
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mdzjwendell: the patch is consistent with your analysis of the problem; I can't say whether it's correct, but it sounds reasonable05:55
mdzjwendell: the myspell change seems unrelated and potentially incorrect; doko recently changed it to use hunspell instead of myspell05:56
dokomdz: ?05:57
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jwendellmdz, i could not compile firefox without that change... i was getting errors related to myspell stuff05:58
mdzdoko: firefox (2.0.0.1+0dfsg-0ubuntu2) feisty; urgency=low05:58
mdz  * Build using hunspell instead of myspell.05:58
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pittihi glatzor 05:59
dokomdz: spellchecking works with this version05:59
mdzjwendell: it seems to build OK on the autobuilders: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/2.0.0.1+0dfsg-0ubuntu205:59
glatzorevening pitti05:59
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jwendellmdz, doko, at least, that patch shows that the fix for that bug is easy to be made. Is there any chance it get in the next firefox release?06:17
mdzjwendell: sure, but there's no one working on a new firefox release at the moment06:17
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somerville32Bug #56161 <-- Can a core-dev please upload? :)06:20
UbugtuMalone bug 56161 in mousepad "Segfault when saving files on AMD64" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5616106:20
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mdzsomerville32: I believe there's a team in launchpad for that purpose; this channel isn't continuously monitored for such requests06:20
somerville32mdz: I have subscribed them but I thought I might make a quick shout out in here to catch someone's attention.06:21
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cjwatsonsaispo: yes06:27
cjwatsonsaispo: ... but it's dinnertime now, so send mail or something06:27
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Mithrandirdholbach: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+source/wxwidgets2.6/+bug/59138 seems to be missing a +1 from another motu-sru member; could you perhaps look at it?06:37
UbugtuMalone bug 59138 in wxwidgets "[SRU: EDGY]  amule crashes when I close a tab" [Unknown,Unknown]  06:37
dholbachMithrandir: i'm only the guy who set up the team - not really part of it06:37
Mithrandirok06:37
dholbachStevenK, crimsun, siretart?06:38
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nukeDevHello all07:08
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nukeDevHi07:10
somerville32Hi07:11
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GNUroHi!07:20
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slomo_are uploads not processed currently?07:36
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nyuhi09:29
nyuwhere can i get the source of the installer?09:29
nyu(the one used in dapper)09:29
tsmithehttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity09:30
nyuthanks tsmithe 09:30
tsmithenp09:31
nyutsmithe: is there a public svn of that?09:35
tsmithehmm09:35
tsmithemay be09:35
tsmithei guess it is probs in bzr, though09:35
tsmithedunno09:35
tsmitheask cjwatson 09:36
nyuoh09:36
nyucjwatson: there?09:36
mptnyu, there's also #ubuntu-installer specifically for installer discussion09:36
nyuah ok, thanks09:38
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cjwatsonnyu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallerDevelopment09:45
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sistpotylamont: can you please give back osgcal on i386? thanks ;)10:01
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cjwatsonslomo_: I think I've reprocessed the lost uploads10:02
lamontsistpoty: once I figure out how, sure... will advise. :-)10:02
sistpotylamont: ok, thanks :)10:02
lamontheh.  done sistpoty 10:03
sistpotythanks10:03
lamontI remember being told it was now trivial... and sure 'nuf.....10:04
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lamontsistpoty: so yeah, poking me is a viable option.  likewise Mithrandir and infinity 10:05
lamontand probably at least someone else...10:05
lamonthrm... maybe not infinity now... dunno10:05
sistpotylamont: ok, thanks very much for the help and advice :)10:05
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cjwatsonyes, infinity10:07
lamontcjwatson: thanks - I10:09
slomo_cjwatson: thanks... looks good :)10:09
lamont'd forgotten where the split landed.10:09
cjwatsonanyone in launchpad.net/~launchpad-buildd-admins10:10
lamontyeah -doh10:10
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keescookslomo_: are you around?  Have you considered enabling the "make check" bits in the dbus package?  I kind of like seeing unit tests run during a build.  :)11:33
pochuhey, ubugtu is down?11:35
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kentis there documentation on ubuntu.com about formalia for contact persons for LoCos? that is,  what Ubuntu expects out of them etc,   ?11:59
mdkekent: yeah, loads on the wiki12:01
kentmdke: ok.  I will look there then.  thanks for the help.12:01
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mdkekent: start here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams12:01
mdkekent: any questions -> #ubuntu-locoteams or the equivalent mailing list12:02
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kentmdke: ok.  we seem to have problems with the leadership/support for the current leadership  in the swedish LoCo.  I was curios of what is expected etc,  I might apply for it if I can combine it with my current work schedule.12:05
kentthanks anyway12:05
pochukent > contact jono12:05
mdkewell, try resolving it first 12:05
mdkethen if you need help contact jono12:05
pochuyep12:05
mdkekent: so, specifically - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto#head-dcd5ebe11aedfba20759fa5e2aa5114d3d8c6499, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamLeader, and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoResolvingProblems12:06
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kentpochu: I think our current leader have contacted him about the problems.  Our contact has resigned. Right now, its hard to really grip what is happening. but we will solve it. We will have a meeting next sunday to elect new leadership. 12:09
pochukent: good luck12:10
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pochukent: if you need something, you can joing #ubuntu-locoteams, there you can get help12:10
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