[12:52] <mpt> mdke, the contents pane in Yelp
[12:52] <mdke> mpt: can you be a bit more specific? you mean the start page?
[12:52] <mpt> No, I mean the pane that normally takes up the left third of Yelp's window
[12:53] <mdke> and do you mean "all the time", or "for the documents that don't have subsections"
[12:53] <mpt> for the documents that don't have subsections
[12:53] <mpt> which, in the topic-based world, is many of them
[12:54] <mdke> well, we have two or three
[12:54] <mdke> I don't know what the answer is. Did you file a bug about it already? we could ask them to hide it for documents which have no sections
[12:55] <mpt> ok, I will
[12:55] <mdke> mpt: you think it should simply take up the whole window with the text?
[12:57] <mpt> Definitely
[12:58] <mdke> ok
[01:28] <LaserJock> oh, nifty a commit bot
[01:29] <mdke> LaserJock: bhuvan spotted it, it's taken about 6 months to get it to join :)
[01:29] <LaserJock> interesting, there is a CIA-1 in another channel I frequent ;-)
[01:30] <mdke> yeah, we added the hook to the svn repo ages ago but the guy who adds the bot went MIA and only just got to it now
[02:35] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3711 kubuntu/C/office/office.xml: missed one type :)
[02:35] <nixternal> yeah, I can spell
[03:46] <crimsun> it's impressive that "Redhat" is still used instead of "Red Hat"
[03:47] <crimsun> (meaning that someone needs to fix that typo)
[03:49] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3712 kubuntu/C/about-kubuntu/about-kubuntu.xml: fixed Redhat typo just for crimsun
[03:49] <crimsun> excellent. "Updated to revision 3712"
[03:50] <tonyyarusso> What's CIA-4 ?
[03:52] <crimsun> nixternal: next typo, same file, references "10,000" when it should be over "16,000"
[03:52] <crimsun> (I'll send a diff ;)
[03:53] <tonyyarusso> Isn't it more like 20,000 now?
[03:54] <crimsun> closer to 17,000
[03:55] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3713 kubuntu/C/about-kubuntu/about-kubuntu.xml: yet another typo found by the master of everything Ubuntu, the great crimsun himself
[03:55] <nixternal> ;p
[03:56] <tonyyarusso> crimsun: Correct me if this is an inaccurate way of checking, but 'apt-cache search "" | grep "" -c' gives 21080.
[03:57] <crimsun> tonyyarusso: it's inflated.
[03:57] <tonyyarusso> crimsun: From what?  (I don't really know what that does - LjL gave me the command.
[03:58] <crimsun> apt-cache stats's Normal shows all Package names, including virtuals
[03:58] <tonyyarusso> oh, so things like ubuntu-desktop are in that number.
[03:58] <crimsun> yes
[03:58] <tonyyarusso> Any switch to avoid that?
[03:58] <crimsun> though ubuntu-desktop is a meta and not a virtual
[03:58] <tonyyarusso> What's the difference?
[03:59] <crimsun> the former's a package that depends on other packages for convenience; the latter's a dependency reference
[03:59] <tonyyarusso> a "dependency reference"?
[04:00] <crimsun> for instance, both exim4 and postfix provide the mail-transport-agent
[04:41] <niru> hello all
[04:41] <niru> I want to help in documentation who is going to give me work
[04:44] <nixternal> what kind of work are you looking for?
[04:45] <niru> I am intrested in both documentation work as well as translation
[04:45] <nixternal> GNOME, KDE, or Xfce side? or heck even the Edubuntu side?
[04:45] <niru> nixternal:just now I have subscribed to ubuntu-doc mailing list
[04:45] <niru> nixternal:GNOME and KDE
[04:46] <niru> nixternal:And among that I will prefer GNOME
[04:46] <nixternal> right now we are in the middle of switching over the typical docs you have seen for the past 2 years into a topic based help system instead of a handbook type layout
[04:46] <nixternal> for the GNOME side, you would want to speak with mdke which I am sure is currently sleeping as he is in the UK
[04:46] <nixternal> are you familiar with DocBook XML? SVN?
[04:47] <niru> nixternal:I heard about DocBook and SVN we are using
[04:48] <niru> nixternal:but indepth no
[04:48] <niru> nixternal:I shall learn those
[04:49] <nixternal> as for the translation side, I myself am not 100% familiar with it, but you would want to go https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+translations and try to work with your language
[04:49] <niru> hello bhuvan
[04:49] <bhuvan> hello niru
[04:50] <niru> nixternal:what about docs
[04:50] <niru> nixternal:are you going to give me tasks
[04:51] <nixternal> we don't hand out tasks, you find something you are comfortable with, and create patches against the current documentation, and then one of the team members will upload if approved
[04:54] <niru> nixternal:ok
[04:56] <bhuvan> niru: if you are interested to contribute, please see if you can contribute patches for server guide: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerGuide
[05:38] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r3714 generic/serverguide/C/network-auth.xml: Patch by Lionel Porcheron for openldap server.
[05:47] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: bhuvan * r3715 ubuntu/Makefile:
[05:47] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: * Include a new target for status to display latest status report in
[05:47] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation:  doc.ubuntu.com. This will help the new contributors to know the
[05:47] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation:  current status of each section.
[05:47] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: * Remove unused variables.
[05:47] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: * Add status target in "all" section so it'll be displayed in
[05:47] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation:  doc.ubuntu.com website.
[05:51] <tonyyarusso> mmm, botspam!  hehe
[05:51] <bhuvan> :)
[05:53] <LaserJock> well, at least it isn't so quiet in here :-)
[05:53] <LaserJock> shows somebody is working ;-)
[06:06] <somerville32> Weeee :)
[09:04] <mdke> ugh
[09:24] <LaserJock> hi mdke
[09:24] <LaserJock> it's too late here
[09:27] <Burgundavia> it is morning there, as sure as it is morning here, LaserJock
[09:43] <mdke> bhuvan: good job!
[09:43] <bhuvan> mdke: openldap thing or status?
[09:44] <Burgundavia> openldap?
[09:45] <mdke> bhuvan: the latter.
[09:45] <mdke> btw, did you guys know that bdmurray (of docteam fame) has sneakily gone and got a job at Canonical?
[09:45] <Burgundavia> cool
[09:45] <Burgundavia> what is he doing?
[09:45] <mdke> QA
[09:46] <Burgundavia> nice
[09:46] <Burgundavia> where is he based?
[09:46] <mdke> germany?
[09:46] <mdke> ogra said he met him at the airport
[09:46] <Burgundavia> we need more QA people, so that rocks
[09:46] <Burgundavia> ogra is at canonical distro sprint
[09:46] <Burgundavia> so bdmurray could be from anywhere
[09:47] <mdke> I thought it was at the starting airport rather than finishing airport, but still
[09:47] <Burgundavia> ah, ok
[09:48] <mdke> hmm, perhaps not :)
[09:48] <mdke> google suggests Oregon
[09:49] <Burgundavia> what are you basing that off of?
[09:49] <mdke> http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/2492
[09:50] <Burgundavia> hmm, that makes two ODSL employees we have stolen
[09:50] <Burgundavia> as Kees Cook came from their as well
[09:50] <Burgundavia> s/their/there
[09:51] <mdke> nice
[09:51] <mdke> gotta go to work :/
[09:51] <mdke> cya
[10:42] <mpt> mdke, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=399318
[10:42] <Ubugtu> Gnome bug 399318 in docbook "Articles with no <section>s should not have contents pane or previous/next links" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[10:59] <bdmurray> Yes, I am from Oregon.
[11:00] <bdmurray> and thanks mdke
[11:42] <mpt> darn, no time for help writing today
[04:27] <willvdl> nixternal, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Release says 6.10 yet to be released
[04:46] <nixternal> willvdl: thanks, I deleted that page. I started working from that page before we decided to switch to /release/Kubuntu
[04:49] <willvdl> sweet
[04:49] <willvdl> nixternal, release/Kubuntu on wiki or www?
[05:08] <nixternal> wiki
[05:11] <willvdl> you planning a https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases/Kubuntu?
[07:35] <jenda> mdke: Looks like I have a replacement, so I soon won't need doc.ubuntu.com/~marketing
[07:35] <jenda> mdke: I'd like it to stay static for as long as posible, though, because we have plenty of links going that way.
[07:52] <mdke> jenda: sure
[07:53] <mdke> mpt: confirmed
[07:54] <mpt> ta
[07:56] <jenda> mdke: thx
[09:02] <popey> mdke: do you know of any list of big things to come in feisty?
[09:02] <popey> s/things/changes
[09:03] <popey> so far I have the gnome control centre, and switchable desktop bling
[09:03] <popey> anything else?
[09:03] <mdke> popey: not really, scott's blog has a few relevant posts; otherwise, the specs?
[09:03] <popey> ahh
[09:03] <popey> true
[09:04] <popey> the gstreamer auto-codec download thing wont make it to feisty will it?
[09:04] <mdke> I'm not sure
[09:50] <popey> mdke: any news on s.u.c?
[09:50] <popey> and/or is there anything we can do?
[09:50] <mdke> no :(
[10:22] <LaserJock> mdke: can wiki pages on wiki.u.c be made immutable? and if so is it easy?
[10:22] <mdke> LaserJock: yes, and yes :)
[10:22] <mdke> or rather
[10:22] <mdke> yes, and no
[10:23] <mdke> LaserJock: you'd have to request that access control be activated in the wiki's configuration, and that a group of administrators be set up who can make pages immutable and edit them
[10:23] <LaserJock> hmm, too much work
[10:24] <LaserJock> I just wondered if it was trivial
[10:24] <mdke> fraid not
[10:24] <mdke> it's easy enough on help.u.c/community
[10:27] <LaserJock> we are starting to get some policy type pages in MOTU and I thought if it was trivial I might make them immutable
[10:28] <LaserJock> instead I think I'll just have a nice warning at the top and leave it at that
[10:31] <LaserJock> mdke: is creating a category on a wiki as simple as just using [Category<Category>]  in your doc?
[10:32] <mdke> LaserJock: you simple create a page called CategoryLaserjock (I presume there is a template)
[10:33] <LaserJock> excellent