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| juliux | @schedule berlin | 03:31 |
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| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 22 Jan 21:00: MOTU | 24 Jan 13:00: Edubuntu | 25 Jan 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 30 Jan 21:00: Technical Board | 31 Jan 21:00: Edubuntu | 31 Jan 23:00: Xubuntu | 03:31 |
| Hobbsee | @schedule sydney | 03:32 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 23 Jan 07:00: MOTU | 24 Jan 23:00: Edubuntu | 26 Jan 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 31 Jan 07:00: Technical Board | 01 Feb 07:00: Edubuntu | 01 Feb 09:00: Xubuntu | 03:32 |
| Hobbsee | argh...i forgot about that meeting.... | 03:32 |
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| === Mithrandir hides behind the all-seeing penguin of doom | ||
| Mithrandir | aka "penguin with a webcam" | 03:33 |
| Hobbsee | argh! not a webcam!!! | 03:33 |
| === Hobbsee runs away | ||
| Mithrandir | it's cute. | 03:33 |
| === Hobbsee is unphotograpable, and unvideoable | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe :) | 03:34 |
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| gnomefreak | @schedule new_york | 04:04 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for America/New_York: 22 Jan 15:00: MOTU | 24 Jan 07:00: Edubuntu | 25 Jan 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 30 Jan 15:00: Technical Board | 31 Jan 15:00: Edubuntu | 31 Jan 17:00: Xubuntu | 04:04 |
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| Toadstool | @schedule los_angeles | 05:59 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for America/Los_Angeles: 22 Jan 12:00: MOTU | 24 Jan 04:00: Edubuntu | 25 Jan 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 30 Jan 12:00: Technical Board | 31 Jan 12:00: Edubuntu | 31 Jan 14:00: Xubuntu | 05:59 |
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| sharms | @schedule detroit | 08:39 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for America/Detroit: 22 Jan 15:00: MOTU | 24 Jan 07:00: Edubuntu | 25 Jan 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 30 Jan 15:00: Technical Board | 31 Jan 15:00: Edubuntu | 31 Jan 17:00: Xubuntu | 08:39 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: MOTU | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 24 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 25 Jan 16:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 30 Jan 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 31 Jan 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 31 Jan 22:00 UTC: Xubuntu | ||
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| sistpoty | hi folks | 09:03 |
| sistpoty | anyone here for motu-meeting? | 09:03 |
| LaserJock | hi sistpoty | 09:03 |
| sistpoty | hi LaserJock | 09:03 |
| ajmitch | maybe | 09:04 |
| LaserJock | so... who's running the show today? | 09:04 |
| ajmitch | you are | 09:04 |
| ajmitch | or sistpoty | 09:04 |
| ajmitch | there only seems to be a couple of people here | 09:04 |
| sistpoty | I'd prefer if LaserJock would do it ;) | 09:04 |
| sistpoty | (am just about eating dinner *g*) | 09:04 |
| Adri2000 | hi everybody | 09:05 |
| sistpoty | hi Adri2000 | 09:05 |
| sharms | I am here for motu | 09:05 |
| lionel | hi all | 09:06 |
| === ScottK is here too to watch and learn. | ||
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| === tsmithe is here | ||
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| LaserJock | well, I'll have to leave in less then an hour so we need to get with it | 09:07 |
| === somerville32 is here. | ||
| Adri2000 | sharms: to apply for ubuntu-dev membership? | 09:07 |
| LaserJock | the agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings | 09:07 |
| === tsmithe will one day apply for that | ||
| === tsmithe needs ubuntu memebership first... | ||
| Adri2000 | sharms: if so, it's the wrong meeting ;) currently ubuntu-devs are approved by the TB, and soon by the MC | 09:08 |
| sharms | Adri2000: Just to listen | 09:08 |
| ajmitch | ok, SRU process | 09:08 |
| LaserJock | tsmithe: well, eventiall MOTU Council will do that too | 09:08 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: you have the floor, let's get moving | 09:08 |
| Adri2000 | sharms: ah, ok, fine then :) | 09:08 |
| sistpoty | has everybody followed the mails to -motu and read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Processes/SRURedone? | 09:08 |
| sistpoty | if not, please do so ;) | 09:08 |
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| sistpoty | well... imo it takes way too much time until a update even hits proposed... | 09:09 |
| sistpoty | on the wiki-page, I've tried to make some proposals what can be fixed | 09:09 |
| sistpoty | but it might be a good thing if somebody *not* from the sru-team would make comments as well (as it's sometime hard to see problems if you're involved on one end) | 09:10 |
| sistpoty | so anyone some idea how to improve the sru-process? | 09:10 |
| LaserJock | well, the biggest problem, IMO, is how many people it has to pass | 09:11 |
| ajmitch | whoever is last to approve the package (in the SRU team) should upload it | 09:11 |
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| LaserJock | ajmitch: +1 | 09:11 |
| ajmitch | rather than it being approved & sitting there | 09:11 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: if the last person is crimsun, we are already doing it that way ;) | 09:11 |
| ajmitch | good | 09:11 |
| LaserJock | we get delayed everytime it goes from 1 queue to another | 09:11 |
| ajmitch | but it doesn't always happen | 09:11 |
| ajmitch | eg libnss-ldap | 09:11 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: so you propose to also upload stuff that have a motu as assignee? | 09:12 |
| ajmitch | yes | 09:12 |
| sistpoty | ah | 09:12 |
| ajmitch | it reduces delays | 09:12 |
| ajmitch | the person approving will already have the source there to look at | 09:12 |
| ajmitch | so uploading won't be a burden | 09:12 |
| LaserJock | I think as far as MOTU, having the last motu-sru voter upload and having a good system for displaying what's in -proposed | 09:12 |
| LaserJock | the biggest delay has been ubuntu-archive | 09:13 |
| sistpoty | LaserJock: yes | 09:13 |
| LaserJock | but that's not really in our control too much and sounds like it's getting worked on | 09:13 |
| sistpoty | LaserJock: FWIW Mithrandir is open to suggestions about reducing the checks ubuntu-archive is doing | 09:13 |
| sistpoty | would that be an option? | 09:13 |
| LaserJock | I think it would be good | 09:14 |
| LaserJock | I think he should basically just check versioning | 09:14 |
| LaserJock | and even that shouldn't be too bad if it goes through 3 motu-sru | 09:14 |
| sistpoty | +1 here as well, at least for -proposed | 09:14 |
| LaserJock | like I said in my email, getting into -proposed should be super easy | 09:15 |
| sistpoty | ok... any other opinions what we should improve for sru? | 09:15 |
| sistpoty | any objections to LaserJock proposal? | 09:15 |
| sistpoty | ok, if noone cries out loud, I'd call that a decision ;) | 09:16 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 09:16 |
| ajmitch | good | 09:16 |
| ajmitch | NEXT! | 09:16 |
| sistpoty | release schedules... me again | 09:17 |
| LaserJock | Release schedules (sistpoty) | 09:17 |
| ajmitch | can we decide on this now? | 09:17 |
| ajmitch | we have feature freeze on the 8th, what does this mean for universe? | 09:17 |
| ajmitch | last time we had universe upstream version freeze at beta freeze (iirc) | 09:17 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: imo we should decide now... we're overdue to get them listed on feistyreleaseschedule | 09:18 |
| ajmitch | and no new packages at feature freeze | 09:18 |
| ajmitch | which meant everything on REVU had to be in by FF | 09:18 |
| sistpoty | there was one mail from crimsun with pretty good proposals for dates... I'll look that one up | 09:18 |
| LaserJock | ok, dholbach's original proposal was keeping UVF same as Main and FF one week after Main FF | 09:18 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: that can't be right | 09:18 |
| ajmitch | UVF is on the same day as feature freeze | 09:19 |
| ajmitch | I didn't think we'd have such an early UVF | 09:19 |
| === ajmitch notes that this is related to the universe QA point | ||
| LaserJock | well, I swear UVF and FF weren't the same day but that's what the wiki page says | 09:19 |
| ajmitch | right | 09:20 |
| ajmitch | for edgy, we had UVF & no new packages at beta freeze | 09:20 |
| LaserJock | March 15th in this case | 09:20 |
| ajmitch | we also had an active UVF team that could do approvals | 09:20 |
| sistpoty | ah... found the mail: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-December/001103.html | 09:20 |
| ajmitch | which needs to be sorted | 09:20 |
| LaserJock | I seriously think it depends on how hard the freeze is going to be | 09:21 |
| LaserJock | in Edgy we had to get approval for *every* upload after Beta Freeze didn't we? | 09:21 |
| sistpoty | that would slowed us down pretty much, right? | 09:22 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 09:22 |
| LaserJock | if we are going to have that hard of a freeze I'd like to delay it | 09:23 |
| LaserJock | if UVF and FF mean just that I'm fine | 09:23 |
| LaserJock | but if UVF/FF effectively cut off any more development I'm not so fine | 09:23 |
| sistpoty | well... for UVF it might be good to know what debian is/will be doing... ajmitch? | 09:23 |
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| ajmitch | sistpoty: hah | 09:25 |
| ajmitch | funny | 09:25 |
| ajmitch | "etch will release" | 09:25 |
| ajmitch | no firm dates yet, I heard rumours of mid-feb | 09:25 |
| LaserJock | it seems like etch will be too late for us to re-merge all the new upstreams that are likely to hit unstable | 09:26 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: oh, nice... we should put UVF definitely before the release of etch | 09:26 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: no, we did *not* need approval for every upload after beta freeze, but after RC | 09:26 |
| LaserJock | ah RC | 09:26 |
| ajmitch | it was only for a week or two | 09:26 |
| ajmitch | not 5-6 weeks | 09:26 |
| LaserJock | well, it was when I was going to upload some bug fixes I think | 09:27 |
| sistpoty | ok, let's go over the unique dates... UVF | 09:27 |
| LaserJock | I think we should keep UVF with Main | 09:28 |
| sistpoty | is Feb 8 okay, sooner or later? | 09:28 |
| sistpoty | anyone else? | 09:28 |
| tsmithe | yay! my birthday | 09:28 |
| === ajmitch doesn't like it, but oh well | ||
| ajmitch | we need to freeze some time | 09:28 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: what you prefer? | 09:28 |
| sistpoty | hehe | 09:28 |
| === tsmithe doesn't have enough experience to have an opinion | ||
| LaserJock | we need to get merges done and out the door | 09:29 |
| ajmitch | yes | 09:29 |
| ajmitch | it just means approval for everything new after that | 09:29 |
| ajmitch | & also clearing up REVU by the 8th | 09:29 |
| LaserJock | yes | 09:29 |
| LaserJock | no | 09:29 |
| LaserJock | that's FF | 09:29 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: nope... UVF != FF | 09:29 |
| LaserJock | I propose FF be later | 09:29 |
| sistpoty | LaserJock: same here | 09:29 |
| LaserJock | UVF same to get merges done and get sort of settled in | 09:29 |
| LaserJock | and be consistent with Main | 09:29 |
| LaserJock | before etch release | 09:30 |
| LaserJock | but once merges are done and out of the way | 09:30 |
| LaserJock | hit REVU and get all the new crack in | 09:30 |
| ajmitch | it'll give us a few weeks to work on bugs | 09:30 |
| geser | UVF = no new upstream version (only with approval) but new revisions don't need an approval? | 09:30 |
| sistpoty | geser: only new upstream versions | 09:30 |
| LaserJock | yes, "upstream" in this case is upstream upstream | 09:30 |
| sistpoty | *g* | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | new Debian revisions are ok | 09:31 |
| sistpoty | ok... let's vote so that we can move on | 09:31 |
| sistpoty | Feb 8? | 09:31 |
| sistpoty | +1 | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | +1 | 09:31 |
| sistpoty | (please clearly vote with -1 if you are against it) | 09:31 |
| geser | for FF or UVF? | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | UVF | 09:32 |
| sistpoty | geser: UVF | 09:32 |
| geser | +1 | 09:32 |
| sistpoty | 3 | 09:32 |
| sistpoty | 2 | 09:32 |
| sistpoty | 1 | 09:32 |
| sistpoty | ok, accepted | 09:32 |
| sistpoty | next: FF | 09:32 |
| sistpoty | FF: march 1st? sooner or later? | 09:33 |
| ajmitch | sooner | 09:33 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: name a date please ;= | 09:33 |
| sistpoty | ) | 09:33 |
| LaserJock | really? | 09:33 |
| ajmitch | feb 22 | 09:33 |
| ajmitch | UVF+2 weeks | 09:34 |
| ajmitch | depends on how much time you want people to spend reviewing vs bug fixing | 09:34 |
| sistpoty | if we do one or two revu sprints during that time, might be ok | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | that's what I was just thinking | 09:34 |
| sistpoty | hehe | 09:34 |
| ajmitch | and announce it well | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | yes | 09:34 |
| === sistpoty can read minds | ||
| ajmitch | so that people know there's a deadline | 09:34 |
| === ScottK likes revu sprints. | ||
| bddebian | sistpoty: :) | 09:35 |
| sistpoty | ok, votes please for feb 22 | 09:35 |
| sistpoty | FF | 09:35 |
| sistpoty | +1 here | 09:35 |
| ajmitch | so you'd have 1 month from now until universe FF | 09:35 |
| LaserJock | +1 | 09:35 |
| ajmitch | +1 | 09:35 |
| geser | +1 | 09:35 |
| LaserJock | that gives us 3 weeks after FF before Beta Freeze | 09:35 |
| ajmitch | hopefully people don't yell too loudly for us deciding on dates ;) | 09:36 |
| sistpoty | ok... 3 | 09:36 |
| sistpoty | 2 | 09:36 |
| sistpoty | 1 | 09:36 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: you think that's too long? | 09:36 |
| sistpoty | done... | 09:36 |
| ajmitch | hm ok | 09:36 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: no, I'm thinking we will need time for QA and upgrade testing | 09:36 |
| LaserJock | we should try to be pretty locked down *before* Beta | 09:36 |
| ajmitch | we've done badly on that in the past | 09:36 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: the dates should have been decided on the list a long time ago... but these things never work without MC ;) | 09:37 |
| ajmitch | hence the QA topic coming up :) | 09:37 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: of course | 09:37 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: easier to ask forgiveness than permission ;) | 09:37 |
| sistpoty | hehe | 09:37 |
| LaserJock | sistpoty: can you please edit the release schedule so we can get those "written in stone"? | 09:37 |
| geser | is universe freeze on beta freeze? | 09:37 |
| ajmitch | geser: no | 09:37 |
| sistpoty | LaserJock: will do after the meeting ;) | 09:37 |
| LaserJock | geser: there is no universe freeze | 09:37 |
| ajmitch | none decided yet, anyway | 09:38 |
| sistpoty | universe freeze used to be FF + UVF combined | 09:38 |
| geser | LaserJock: in edgy we had one | 09:38 |
| ajmitch | the hard freeze didn't work so well for edgy | 09:38 |
| ajmitch | noone uploaded bug fixes | 09:38 |
| LaserJock | geser: as sistpoty said Universe Freeze was just FF+UVF | 09:38 |
| LaserJock | geser: it was done because the Edgy cycle was short | 09:38 |
| geser | so we can upload fixes till feisty release? | 09:38 |
| LaserJock | we have no freeze for fixes | 09:39 |
| LaserJock | as far as I can see | 09:39 |
| ajmitch | until the buildds & upload queue is set to manual | 09:39 |
| ajmitch | which is a couple of days before release | 09:39 |
| sistpoty | yes... | 09:39 |
| sistpoty | any more discussion needed for freeze dates? did I miss s.th.? | 09:39 |
| LaserJock | I don't think so, we just needed to rubber stamp it | 09:40 |
| sistpoty | ok, then let's move one, agreed? | 09:40 |
| LaserJock | can I inject a quick meeting item? | 09:40 |
| sistpoty | LaserJock: sure | 09:40 |
| LaserJock | At the end of last week I had a talk with kiko (LP dev) | 09:40 |
| LaserJock | and he expressed a desire for MOTU to have better representation with LP | 09:41 |
| LaserJock | and to work on making sure LP meets the MOTU's needs | 09:41 |
| LaserJock | to do this he wanted a MOTU representitive to work with the LP devs | 09:41 |
| LaserJock | to help prioritize bugs | 09:42 |
| LaserJock | and get feedback from MOTU and turn it into specific and concrete bug reports that they can work on | 09:42 |
| ajmitch | (bugs in the launchpad code, not universe bugs) | 09:42 |
| LaserJock | yes | 09:42 |
| LaserJock | sorry | 09:42 |
| sistpoty | sounds great :) | 09:43 |
| LaserJock | so, if there aren't any objections, I will take on this role | 09:43 |
| === ajmitch agrees | ||
| sistpoty | hehe, I just wanted to propose you, LaserJock ;) | 09:43 |
| sistpoty | +1 | 09:43 |
| ajmitch | thanks for volunteering :) | 09:43 |
| LaserJock | and will probably be meeting with the LP team (in some fashion) on a weekly basis | 09:43 |
| sistpoty | great! | 09:43 |
| LaserJock | I've started trawling through Malone bugs | 09:43 |
| LaserJock | looking at bugs that seem important to MOTU | 09:43 |
| LaserJock | and in fact I found a few of our long standing complaints are long standing bugs in Malone | 09:44 |
| bddebian | Yeah :-( | 09:44 |
| LaserJock | I will probably be using a special tag to mark certain bugs as MOTU priorities | 09:44 |
| Adri2000 | the ability to target a bug for a release (for a SRU) in malone, currently only core-devs can do that | 09:45 |
| sistpoty | LaserJock: I'll have some things of LP as well... I'll write you a mail | 09:45 |
| LaserJock | so, if you have things that need to be fixed in LP (for MOTU work) please let me know | 09:45 |
| sistpoty | Adri2000: yep... would be really handy to get that fixed, at least for -sru / motu-swat | 09:45 |
| LaserJock | once I get things worked out with the LP guys I'll write an email to -motu explaining things further | 09:46 |
| LaserJock | but I really want to thank kiko for reaching out to MOTU | 09:46 |
| sistpoty | yay! | 09:46 |
| LaserJock | this was a really good idea on his part | 09:46 |
| somerville32 | :) | 09:46 |
| LaserJock | and has commited to giving MOTU what it needs if possible | 09:46 |
| bddebian | Do we already have a policy on what really makes good candidates for backports? | 09:46 |
| LaserJock | anyway, that's it from me on that topic | 09:47 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: add it to the meeting agenda :) | 09:47 |
| LaserJock | and I have to run to try to convince 300 undergrads to by goggles from me ;-) I'll be back in ~15 min | 09:47 |
| ajmitch | bye :) | 09:47 |
| sistpoty | LaserJock: cya motu-lp-coordinator ;) | 09:47 |
| bddebian | Heh, later LaserJock | 09:48 |
| === ajmitch may or may not be around for the qa topic | ||
| sistpoty | ajmitch: how about doing it now? | 09:48 |
| === ajmitch shrugs | ||
| ajmitch | ok, first up, we suck at QA | 09:48 |
| ajmitch | edgy was a shambles | 09:48 |
| ajmitch | we need to fix this | 09:48 |
| ajmitch | one reason I wanted an early freeze date, so that we have plenty of time for fixing bugs | 09:49 |
| ajmitch | I want us to have weekly targets of things to do (unmet deps, critical bugs, etc), which will require some coordination with the bug squad | 09:50 |
| sistpoty | sounds great | 09:50 |
| ajmitch | and I also want to try & get a list of bugs that are fixed in debian by new upstream versions that we don't have in ubuntu | 09:50 |
| ajmitch | since we find out a few weeks after release about RC bugs that missed out on UVF by a day or so | 09:50 |
| ajmitch | we've had the autoimporter shut off for so long that there may be many of these | 09:51 |
| ajmitch | any other suggestions for what we need to do to make feisty universe better? | 09:51 |
| sistpoty | hm... I even needed to file sync requests for two security bugs | 09:51 |
| geser | we need also check for CVE fixed in unstable | 09:51 |
| ajmitch | yep | 09:51 |
| ajmitch | I can trawl the debian BTS via the LDAP gateway | 09:52 |
| ajmitch | but I need to get the version info on the debian bugs | 09:52 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: cool | 09:52 |
| ajmitch | so, getting a list of packages that are older than in debian, getting a list of closed bugs, seeing what bugs were fixed in those versions we don't have | 09:53 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: will you take leadership for universe-qa? | 09:53 |
| ajmitch | who wants to try & do some weekly task lists (council job, i know) | 09:53 |
| ajmitch | sure | 09:53 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: cool, would be awesome | 09:53 |
| === ajmitch grabs the whip | ||
| sistpoty | hehe | 09:53 |
| ajmitch | give me suggestions of what we need to fix | 09:54 |
| ajmitch | & how we do testing (upgrade & install testing, etc) | 09:54 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: imo the most important thing is to try to motivate people to follow at least *some* task lists, instead of everybody working on something different | 09:55 |
| ajmitch | yep | 09:55 |
| sistpoty | which I guess will be the hardest part as well ;) | 09:55 |
| ajmitch | heh | 09:55 |
| geser | we should also check that packages build on all archs | 09:55 |
| ajmitch | that should come under full archive rebuild testing | 09:56 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: will that be done this time? | 09:56 |
| ajmitch | I hope so | 09:56 |
| ajmitch | I'll find out | 09:56 |
| geser | maybe we could ask the same person who did it the last time | 09:57 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: iirc lucas did archive rebuilds for unstable, didn't he? maybe he could set s.th. up for feisty as well? (if we cannot do it officially) | 09:57 |
| ajmitch | yes, he did | 09:57 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon can probably do some with his new toys | 09:57 |
| geser | but this time with enough time for fixes | 09:58 |
| sistpoty | great | 09:58 |
| sistpoty | we should also try to fix as many unmet deps as possible... many sru's are due to unmet deps | 09:58 |
| sistpoty | (with really easy fixes!) | 09:59 |
| keescook | I'd love to get involved in some full rebuilds too; I'd like to test some toolchain changes at some point (separate from the feisty release stuff, obviously) | 09:59 |
| geser | what about packages that failed building on upload but build now? | 09:59 |
| ajmitch | geser: certainly, I was filing a few bugs with fabbione after a full rebuild on sparc | 09:59 |
| ajmitch | geser: we get the admins to give them back to the buildds | 09:59 |
| ajmitch | keescook: excellent | 09:59 |
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| sistpoty | ajmitch: is there a procedure to do the give-back? (my pings to lamont don't seem to have any impact) | 10:00 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: lamont hasn't done that for ages | 10:00 |
| lamont` | ajmitch: well, I can now... but yeah | 10:00 |
| ajmitch | unless he's been helping out recently | 10:00 |
| geser | sistpoty: ask Mithrandir for give-backs | 10:00 |
| ajmitch | hey lamont` :) | 10:00 |
| sistpoty | hi lamont | 10:00 |
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| bddebian | heh | 10:01 |
| geser | ajmitch: exists a list of those packages that need a look (because it failed building)? | 10:01 |
| ajmitch | geser: there should be, if not, we'll get one | 10:01 |
| ajmitch | mails are sent out on build failures now as well | 10:01 |
| ajmitch | & we can officially beg the LP guys now | 10:01 |
| ajmitch | anything else for QA that we need to cover now? | 10:02 |
| persia | I'd like to see removal of all NBS in universe. Some install and fail for known reasons. | 10:02 |
| ajmitch | we also need someone to do minutes of the meeting, please | 10:02 |
| pochu | @schedule | 10:03 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Etc/UTC: Current meeting: MOTU | 24 Jan 12:00: Edubuntu | 25 Jan 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 30 Jan 20:00: Technical Board | 31 Jan 20:00: Edubuntu | 31 Jan 22:00: Xubuntu | 10:03 |
| sistpoty | I can do the minutes... | 10:03 |
| ajmitch | persia: there's probably a lot we could cull from universe because they won't work without a lot of effort | 10:03 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: thanks | 10:03 |
| ajmitch | this topic has sort of covered the needed todo lists as well | 10:04 |
| sistpoty | ok | 10:04 |
| ajmitch | unmet deps, bugs fixed in debian, critical/important bugs on malone, etc | 10:04 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: you want to talk about translations soon? | 10:04 |
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| sistpoty | erm... anyone got a clue about translations? | 10:05 |
| ajmitch | nope | 10:05 |
| sistpoty | I actually only set it as topic, since we got a mail on -motu | 10:05 |
| ajmitch | we'd need to talk to carlos | 10:05 |
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| sid | @schedule New_York | 10:06 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for America/New_York: Current meeting: MOTU | 24 Jan 07:00: Edubuntu | 25 Jan 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 30 Jan 15:00: Technical Board | 31 Jan 15:00: Edubuntu | 31 Jan 17:00: Xubuntu | 10:06 |
| sistpoty | ok, then let's defer the item... anyone volunteering to contact carlos about it? | 10:06 |
| === sistpoty is a little bit low on time atm :/ | ||
| ajmitch | then it's MOTU school | 10:07 |
| persia | I lurked on a conversation between seb128 and carlos. Translations was related to a spec that was rejected, and needs revision (although I can't find the URL now). | 10:07 |
| ajmitch | we've been wanting to revive this for awhile, but it takes a reasonable about of time | 10:07 |
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| ajmitch | persia: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/language-packs-for-universe ? | 10:08 |
| sistpoty | hm... maybe it might make sense to do short (as in very short) lessons prior to a new task (e.g. unmet deps) being the current one | 10:08 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: probably a good idea, and link to the school session on the task lists | 10:09 |
| sistpoty | yes | 10:09 |
| persia | ajmitch: Yep, that's it. The rejection was due to the volume and conflicts due to translations upstream vs. translations locally. | 10:09 |
| ajmitch | so we just need a call for volunteers for school sessions, and we can go for it ;) | 10:10 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: great, that was the last topic, we can go home ;) | 10:10 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: date of next motu-meeting? | 10:10 |
| sistpoty | do we want to decide now or defer to mailing list? | 10:10 |
| LaserJock | for what? next meeting? | 10:11 |
| sistpoty | LaserJock: yes | 10:11 |
| ajmitch | now + 3 weeks, exact date to be decided on list? | 10:11 |
| LaserJock | I think we should at least have a proposal right now | 10:11 |
| LaserJock | I think it should be the week after the MOTU Council get's finalized | 10:11 |
| ajmitch | make it a regular thing | 10:11 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: hah | 10:11 |
| ajmitch | haha | 10:11 |
| ajmitch | sorry | 10:11 |
| sistpoty | +3 weeks sounds good | 10:11 |
| LaserJock | I can dream can't I? ;-) | 10:11 |
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| sistpoty | maybe we should rotate the time to cover different tz's? | 10:12 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: good idea | 10:12 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: a meeting every 3-4 weeks could be a good thing | 10:12 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: agreed | 10:12 |
| ajmitch | let people bring up their complaints | 10:12 |
| LaserJock | yes | 10:12 |
| LaserJock | I think if we have regular reports as well it will help | 10:12 |
| ajmitch | yep | 10:13 |
| LaserJock | getting people going is what we need right now | 10:13 |
| sistpoty | wed, Feb 14? | 10:13 |
| sistpoty | let's say 8.00 UTC? | 10:13 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: sure, 1 week before FF | 10:13 |
| === ajmitch might be a little late for that, but it should work | ||
| sistpoty | ok, anyone against that date? | 10:14 |
| ajmitch | I think I'll be finished at practice at about 7:30UTC :) | 10:14 |
| ajmitch | ah sorry, that's wednesday, i have nothing on that day | 10:14 |
| sistpoty | hehe... and I need to get up early (before noon) | 10:14 |
| ajmitch | unless I get back to archery practice :) | 10:14 |
| zul | .exut | 10:14 |
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| LaserJock | well, that's midnight for me, but better than 10:00UTC | 10:14 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: alright | 10:14 |
| LaserJock | we should rotate times | 10:15 |
| ajmitch | no objections? | 10:15 |
| sistpoty | no | 10:15 |
| LaserJock | I guess, with as many people as we have | 10:15 |
| LaserJock | not from me | 10:15 |
| ajmitch | great | 10:15 |
| LaserJock | we can hash it out on the ML if it doesn't work for people | 10:15 |
| sistpoty | ok, then thanks everyone for the meeting... | 10:15 |
| ajmitch | it is decided | 10:15 |
| LaserJock | I just think it's better to have a propasal, then work from there | 10:15 |
| ajmitch | thanks sistpoty for getting it running | 10:16 |
| sistpoty | np | 10:16 |
| ajmitch | & LaserJock | 10:16 |
| sistpoty | t'was small but very productive imo :) | 10:16 |
| LaserJock | sistpoty: thank you a lot for getting things going | 10:16 |
| LaserJock | and the REVU Reports are great | 10:16 |
| sistpoty | LaserJock: no problem... if I were that good with my thesis as well *g* | 10:16 |
| LaserJock | I meant, SRU Reports | 10:16 |
| sistpoty | oh, anyone got a clean log? kvirc unfortunately always has the colors in the log (or I'm to stupid to turn it off *g*) | 10:17 |
| LaserJock | sistpoty: I hear you dude, I've got a lot of research waiting for me | 10:17 |
| ajmitch | yay, I can get back to doing work now | 10:17 |
| sistpoty | hehe | 10:17 |
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| sistpoty | *g* | 10:17 |
| ajmitch | back later | 10:18 |
| sistpoty | cya ajmitch | 10:18 |
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