[12:56] <hugo> how to activate sound and localdevs in ltsp?
[12:57] <paolob-parroquia>  Hi guys! I had a hd failure, and I had to restore the hd to a new one from a backuppc backup. I restored all (I think...), but the clients can't boot well, they only arrive at asking an IP. Any idea what do I lack or miss? thank you!
[12:58] <LaserJock> hugo: what version of Edubuntu?
[12:58] <hugo> edgy
[12:58] <LaserJock> paolob-parroquia: maybe try #ltsp, I'm not sure
[12:58] <LaserJock> hugo: and it doesn't work?
[12:58] <LaserJock> I'm assuming :-)
[01:08] <hugo> LaserJock: did not work yet
[01:08] <LaserJock> hmm
[01:08] <hugo> LaserJock: did work with ltsp-4.2 partially
[01:08] <LaserJock> I thought it was supposed to in Edgy
[01:08] <hugo> how is it supposed to work?
[01:08] <hugo> where would i see the device?
[01:09] <hugo> should show up on the desktop, shouldn't it?
[01:09] <LaserJock> it should show up on the client
[01:09] <hugo> ltsp channel is not very communicative by the way
[01:09] <hugo> and sound support?
[01:09] <hugo> what do I need to do?
[01:10] <hugo> would I need to set anything in the lts.conf for local devices?
[01:17] <LaserJock> I don't *think* so but I honestly don't know
[01:17] <LaserJock> hugo: I would try emailing or looking through the edubuntu-users mailing list
[01:26] <hugo> fuse group is the hint I was looking for!
[01:26] <hugo> I have to add the users to fuse group.
[02:01] <pll> Hi, anyone here?
[02:03] <LaserJock> I am, but I don't think that counts for much :-0
[02:03] <LaserJock> :-) rather
[02:05] <pll> I just downloaded the edubuntu install cd and instaled but X doesn't come up.  There's no xf86cfg or any other X11 config utility installed that I can find.  I'm fairly certain it's an X Server config issue though.  Any ideas?
[02:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> pll, , what error does it give you?
[02:07] <pll> None, I just get a blank screen on vt7.
[02:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> the tool to reconfigure is `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg` fyi
[02:07] <pll> the xserver log complains about certain fonts being missing.
[02:09] <pll> I'll try that, things have changed around so much now that x.org is in the picture :)  I'm a UNIX guy from back when monitors would lose their magic smoke if you misconfigured mode lines :)
[02:09] <pll> .
[02:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[02:13] <AmbientMstr> Hmm
[02:13] <AmbientMstr> Oh ew, this ver is for kids.
[02:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> ....
[02:15] <ajmitch> what an endorsement..
[02:16] <LaserJock> :-)
[02:17] <LaserJock> I'm not really sure what he/she thought it was
[07:42] <hugo_> how can I make user accounts with an uid below 1000 also show up in the gnome user-admin gui? all accounts above uid 499.
[07:44] <LaserJock> hmm, I'm not sure if that's possible
[07:44] <LaserJock> can you do a "show all users"?
[07:56] <mazzini> hi all, i work in a public school and would to set up a lab with edubuntu... the boxes are networked but there is no connection to internet so i carried a pc to home and i'm using apt-mirror to make a local mirror of edubuntu... i wonder how to make the local mirror available to the other pcs...i guess i have to put /var/spool/apt-mirror/* in a local apache root and made it available or there is a better way?
[07:57] <LaserJock> mazzini: there might be but that seems like a decent way
[07:59] <mazzini> LaserJock: just a question since i am mirroring universe and multiverse i have omitted the deb-src (so it takes only 15Giga...) it's ok?
[07:59] <LaserJock> yeah, you shouldn't need source
[07:59] <mazzini> LaserJock: thnx
[08:09] <faeriexboi> heloo
[08:12] <faeriexboi> i am looking for a little help with setting up an edubuntu server and a guide on how to use School Tool to make schedule system and such for my school.
[08:12] <faeriexboi> if anyone has help then please email me at faeriexboi@gmail.com
[08:13] <faeriexboi> ttyl ciao
[12:52] <juliux> hi all
[01:00] <ogra> moin juliux
[01:01] <juliux> hey ogra how cold is it in oslo?
[01:02] <ogra> -4C
[01:03] <juliux> same in dresden;)
[01:04] <willvdl> ogra, how did you type the degree sign
[01:04] <juliux> willvdl, ogra pls check http://diy.devubuntu.com/dump/edubuntu.png
[01:04] <willvdl> ok
[01:04] <ogra> willvdl, 
[01:04] <ogra> its left of the 1 on my keyboard ...
[01:05] <ogra> shift+^
[01:05] <willvdl> ogra, I see :)
[01:05] <willvdl> I must map some of my extra keys...
[01:06] <willvdl> juliux, ooh :)
[01:06] <willvdl> is there a copy of the ubuntu sticker spomewhere? want to compare
[01:07] <juliux> willvdl, jenda have to upload the ubuntu one;)
[01:08] <willvdl> eeek. what happened to diy frontpage...
[01:08] <willvdl> juliux, just saw kubuntu one
[01:08] <juliux> http://diy.devubuntu.com/repo/spreadubuntu/DIY%20Material/Batch%201,%20Stickers/ubuntu.png
[01:08] <juliux> that is the ubuntu one
[01:09] <juliux> ogra, what do you think about the sticker?
[01:10] <willvdl> juliux, I like the 3d effect in the ubuntu one. did you do the edubuntu one?
[01:11] <juliux> willvdl, no, its jendas work, but i will order 5000 stickers for germany;)
[01:11] <juliux> willvdl, all over 5000 not 5000 edubuntu;)
[01:11] <willvdl> ok then :)
[01:23] <willvdl> back later
[02:08] <AstralJava> Hi all, I wonder if anyone here has solved a problem in which students and teachers alike can all write to a shared directory, and also delete stuff someone else has written. Is this possible at all without imposing ACLs?
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> what do you mean?
[02:10] <peterlyberth> That everyone can delete files in a certain folder?
[02:10] <AstralJava> Meaning I'd want a shared folder which doesn't have any write restrictions.
[02:10] <AstralJava> Yeah.
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> so you want people to be able to read each tothers work, but not delete the files?
[02:11] <AstralJava> Normal drwxrwxrwx won't inherit into newly created files.
[02:11] <AstralJava> No, they should be able to delete as well as read.
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> you'll need to set some sticky bits (i think). which i dont know
[02:12] <AstralJava> That might work, if all users belonged to a certain group, but that isn't the case here.
[02:13] <AstralJava> So far sticky bit for gid only preserved the file group ownership, but not the rights.
[02:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> i havent tried something like that
[02:14] <AstralJava> Okay, thanks anyway. :)
[02:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry :(
[02:16] <AstralJava> Not a problem, really. :) Thanks for trying!
[02:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> np. good luck! :)
[02:17] <AstralJava> Thank you again!
[02:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> np :)
[02:19] <cbx33> Hey all
[02:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey cbx33 :)
[02:42] <cbx33> ogra: TCM update on my blog, will be putting up the bzr release later today
[02:42] <humbolto> how to get NX (freenx) for EDGY?
[02:43] <cbx33> someone commented ogra maybe NX is the way we should go.....
[02:43] <cbx33> brb
[02:43] <ogra> cbx33, *shudder*
[02:43] <cbx33> hehe
[02:43] <cbx33> hopefully that was at the NX comment
[02:43] <cbx33> and not at my release comment ;)
[02:43] <cbx33> hehe
[02:43] <ogra> if *you* want to rewrite NX to be at least basically sane, go ahead ...
[02:43] <ogra> i'm not opposed to include it then
[02:44] <cbx33> no I don't
[02:44] <ogra> currently NX is no option at all
[02:44] <cbx33> so sunday for looking at TCM yeh?
[02:44] <cbx33> I'm basically cooling off development until you've seen it now
[02:44] <ogra> and given upstreams empty promises it wont become an option ...
[02:44] <cbx33> working on the edubuntu book chapter instead
[02:44] <cbx33> ok
[02:44] <cbx33> vnc works fine
[02:45] <ogra> great !
[02:45] <cbx33> and as I said I may write a small server for it for feisty + 1
[02:45] <cbx33> ogra: it all works....but requires as I call it the integration work....making it work well with edubuntu
[02:46] <cbx33> in other words....all the little bits about passwords etc ssh keys and packaging
[02:46] <ogra> ok
[02:47] <ogra> we'll tackle that next week
[02:47] <cbx33> yes
[02:47] <cbx33> I was up at 5:30 this morning again
[02:47] <cbx33> I'm addicted to TCM
[02:48] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/testtcm.png
[02:48] <cbx33> it's looking good
[02:50] <cbx33> brb
[02:56] <humbolto> too bad, just a little to late to join the NX conversation.
[02:58] <humbolto> ogra: By the way, I finished converting my debian sarge + ltsp 4.2 system over to an ubuntu edgy + edubuntu edgy ltsp one.
[02:58] <ogra> humbolto, there is not much to talk about ... as long as upstream NX insists to ship its onwm copy of xorg inside the code we cant support it at all
[02:58] <ogra> humbolto, cool
[02:58] <humbolto> You remember, you told me a lot about ssh in edubuntu ltsp.
[02:58] <ogra> humbolto, there are mirrors with unofficial NX packages for ubuntu tough ...
[02:59] <humbolto> So what is your opinion on NX?
[03:00] <ogra> see above
[03:00] <humbolto> I always ask myself, if it would not be possible to just take the X proxying part and hook it up to the ends of the current ssh tunnel.
[03:00] <humbolto> Which part of NX were you guys refering to?
[03:00] <humbolto> The libs, the freenx thing or the nomachine version.
[03:01] <ogra> the backend code links to an internal copy of libX
[03:01] <ogra> thats not supportable
[03:02] <humbolto> in which part?
[03:02] <humbolto> the libs itself link to the internal libX copy?
[03:02] <ogra> all of the
[03:03] <ogra> *them
[03:03] <cbx33> what y athink ogra....tcm lookin good?
[03:03] <humbolto> So it would be necessary to untie them in order to make maintaining the code easier.
[03:03] <ogra> yep
[03:03] <humbolto> tcm?
[03:04] <ogra> humbolto, yes, and thats something ustream promises since 2.5 years ...
[03:04] <cbx33> thin client manager
[03:04] <ogra> but they didnt do anything about it yet
[03:04] <humbolto> cbx33: this is what was outlined as the ltsp-manager in the specs?
[03:04] <ogra> cbx33, for consistency make it "Screen View" or "Process Viewer"
[03:05] <ogra> and i dont like that blank and unblank have the same icon ... they should be distinctive ...
[03:05] <ogra> also my old vnc button should be dropped from the process view
[03:06] <ogra> its redundant
[03:07] <cbx33> ok
[03:10] <humbolto> cbx33: I was always wondering why NX did not make it into the big distros yet. ogra just mentioned the libX issue to me.
[03:11] <humbolto> cbx33: Is my assumption correct, that you don't like NX having it's own copy of libX, because that way, you depend on them to fix libX problems in their copy, while if it would depend on the xorg version, there would be less code to maintain?
[03:12] <humbolto> And as a result more security.
[03:12] <humbolto> Or is NXes libX just too old and broken?
[03:12] <cbx33> tbh humbolto I'm not too hot on that, ogra will be able to answer that question
[03:12] <cbx33> I just used vnc as it was in the spec for TCM
[03:13] <cbx33> and....well....it works
[03:14] <humbolto> are these the specs? http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/
[03:14] <cbx33> no
[03:14] <cbx33> hang on
[03:15] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StudentControlPanelSpec
[03:15] <cbx33> is the latest spec
[03:15] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=209
[03:15] <cbx33> is my blog on the update
[03:18] <humbolto> incredible! you guys impress me again every day!
[03:19] <humbolto> this is exactly what a teacher wishes for!
[03:19] <humbolto> will this already be available in feisty?
[03:21] <ogra> its already in edgy
[03:21] <ogra> just not as functional as the feisty one
[03:21] <humbolto> the next feature certainly will be audio support (to have voice instead of text chat)
[03:22] <humbolto> I had a glance at what is already available in edgy
[03:22] <ogra> ltsp-manager will be in feisty as well ... as soon as https://launchpad.net/python-ltsp will be approved by the archive admins i'll start redesigning the frontend
[03:22] <humbolto> one more thing concerning SSH. you remember, we were talking about performance on old old machines?
[03:23] <humbolto> I had some 166mmx p1 machines in there.
[03:24] <humbolto> Well, they did not perform very well, I unfortunately have to report.
[03:25] <humbolto> I replaced them with faster machines and kept part of them to run on ltsp-4.2 XDMCP still.
[03:25] <humbolto> I hope I can use them again with edubuntu ltsp once the no-encryption ssh thing is available.
[03:26] <humbolto> but for now, this is a little drawback
[03:27] <humbolto> ogra: I did not understand completely how the ssh tunneling works right now. Would you answer me some questions which came up, when I was thinking about that a bit?
[03:28] <humbolto> ogra: what is the ssh key file used for?
[03:28] <humbolto> ogra: are the thin clients establishing a connection prior to login?
[03:29] <juliux> humbolto, how much ram have your old computers?
[03:33] <humbolto> 64 mb
[03:33] <juliux> perhaps you can add more ram
[03:33] <juliux> i have some pcs with the geode cpu and only 200mhz but with 256mb ram they are realy fast
[03:33] <humbolto> this is more a processor thing I am afraid, since the clients have to do the ssh decryption
[03:33] <ogra> no, its likely a ram thing ...
[03:33] <humbolto> really?
[03:33] <ogra> with 64M the clients will start swapping
[03:33] <ogra> that slows down everything
[03:33] <cbx33> yup
[03:33] <humbolto> I thought I don't need any ram anyway
[03:33] <cbx33> and that's never good ;)
[03:33] <ogra> you could disable features to avoid the swapping
[03:33] <humbolto> since only the kernel and x is running there basically
[03:33] <ogra> local device support and sound are eating some memory
[03:33] <humbolto> is swapping enabled automatically?
[03:33] <humbolto> I did not see any swap exports
[03:33] <ogra> X takes some as well ... but thats soething you cant avoid
[03:33] <ogra> swap is enabled automatically in edubuntu edgy ...
[03:33] <ogra> s/in/since/
[03:33] <humbolto> but why did they perform so well with ltsp-42?
[03:33] <cbx33> ogra if I start writing my chapter for feisty edubuntu with the herd cd as it is, should that be a good indication
[03:33] <humbolto> how much ram is sufficient then?
[03:33] <antoniou> hello everyone
[03:33] <humbolto> I thought the thing works with 24mb now (just with swapping probably).
[03:33] <antoniou> hello ogra
[03:33] <ogra> humbolto, if sbalneav is around, ask him for the ssh server package that works with encryption=none ... i know he has such a package ... it might speed up
[03:33] <ogra> hey antoniou
[03:33] <paolob-parroquia> Hi guys! I had to reinstall the edubuntu server due to a hd crash, all is going quite well, but I still have a problem: some client boot well, otros stop with a Busybox shell saying: "/bin/sh/: can't access tty; job control turned off", and waiting for a command. Any hint what could be the reason? thank you!
[03:33] <ogra> humbolto, 64M work fine without extra features ...
[03:34] <ogra> paolob-parroquia, seems your clients cant mount the nfs root
[03:34] <humbolto> extra features like ltspfs and sound?
[03:35] <ogra> right
[03:35] <humbolto> concerning the ssh-keys, the once I generate with ltsp-update-sshkeys
[03:35] <ogra> ltspfs needs some space for caching etc ...
[03:35] <humbolto> what are theys keys used for?
[03:36] <ogra> for the ssh handshake if you log in
[03:36] <paolob-parroquia> ogra: could be that, in the other console it says: "mount: NFS mount failed: bad file descriptor", and keeps on with various "no such file or directory" referring to various mounting
[03:36] <ogra> if you ssh on comandline you get this yes/no question weather to accept the connection or not ...
[03:36] <humbolto> but I can't access the keys via nfs and get access to the server with them alone?
[03:36] <ogra> if yu  answer it with yes the server key is stored locally ...
[03:37] <humbolto> I understand
[03:37] <ogra> ltsp-update-sshkeys does exactly that
[03:37] <ogra> so the question doesnt come up
[03:37] <humbolto> Thought it is used for auth to get some pre login connection
[03:37] <ogra> nope
[03:37] <humbolto> great
[03:37] <ogra> its only to prevent that question
[03:38] <humbolto> and the none-enc ssh server. what if somebody form the WAN wan
[03:38] <humbolto> wants to log on with enc none?
[03:38] <ogra> the ssh server has an option to override that ... but it makes the conection insecure, so we went the way of copying the key into the client environment
[03:38] <humbolto> can I forbid that?
[03:38] <ogra> no
[03:38] <paolob-parroquia> ogra, I rm'ed the ltsp tree and rerun ltsp-build-client, where could be located the problem?
[03:38] <ogra> if he has a bvalid user account he can log in as on every other open ssh server
[03:39] <ogra> paolob-parroquia, surely on your nfs server
[03:39] <humbolto> and choose which enc to use (as long as it is allowed on the server)
[03:39] <ogra> check if its running and if you can mount /opt/ltsp from it
[03:39] <ogra> (from another workstation)
[03:40] <paolob-parroquia> ogra, it's running, and it restarts without problems
[03:40] <cbx33> ogra: do we have a documented troubleshooting document for LTSP/NFS problems?
[03:40] <cbx33> I was thinking of adding a section for it into the edubuntu chapter
[03:41] <ogra> cbx33, that would be nice ...
[03:41] <paolob-parroquia> ogra, in /etc/exports I have "/opt/ltsp       *(ro,no_root_squash,async)"
[03:41] <paolob-parroquia> is it ok?
[03:41] <ogra> there is a doc on the ltsp wiki, please chack that as well
[03:41] <ogra> about package size ...
[03:41] <cbx33> ok
[03:41] <ogra> paolob-parroquia, yep perfect
[03:41] <paolob-parroquia> ogra, reinstalling some package?
[03:41] <ogra> can you use a workstation in the same network and try to mount it from there ?
[03:42] <ogra> paolob-parroquia, ??
[03:42] <cbx33> ogra, I'm sorry I'm having to ask you about lot's of stuff for this chapter ;)
[03:42] <paolob-parroquia> ogra, I wonder if reinstalling nfs package could help me...
[03:42] <ogra> nope
[03:42] <humbolto> I would like to help with documentation for this project. Is there a wiki page I could contribute too?
[03:42] <paolob-parroquia> ogra but the strange thing is that 3 of the 40 client boot well...
[03:43] <cbx33> paolob-parroquia: trying mounting from another machine manually
[03:43] <cbx33> that always helps me
[03:43] <ogra> humbolto, willvdl coordinates most of the doc stuff
[03:43] <humbolto> tnx
[03:45] <cbx33> humbolto: some docs on how you manage to get it working well on 64Mb machines will be great once you've done them ;)
[03:45] <humbolto> Short doc. Put in more RAM.
[03:45] <humbolto> Will 128 do?
[03:45] <cbx33> haha
[03:45] <ogra> paolob-parroquia, try adding: "MOPTS=nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048" to the kernel line in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
[03:45] <humbolto> What is a sufficient size with all services enabled (no local apps)
[03:45] <humbolto> sound, ltspfs (printing)
[03:45] <ogra> 128 should be fine
[03:45] <cbx33> ogra: what's that for....i could add it to the trouble shooting guide
[03:45] <humbolto> vnc access from the student-control-panel
[03:46] <ogra> cbx33, packaetsize of nfs packages ...
[03:46] <paolob-parroquia> ogra, I did it, what service must I restart
[03:46] <paolob-parroquia> ?
[03:46] <ogra> on busy networks it can prevent timeouts
[03:46] <ogra> paolob-parroquia, the thin client
[03:47] <paolob-parroquia> ogra, ok, let me see
[03:47] <cbx33> thanks ogra
[03:47] <ogra> anyway, i need to do some work now ...
[03:47] <ogra> nuff support ...
[03:47] <cbx33> *bah*
[03:48] <cbx33> ogra: I am going to need to tap your brain at some point
[03:48] <cbx33> after sunday ;)
[03:48] <ogra> yes
[03:48] <ogra> mdz will get angry if i spend all the time they felw me to oslo with support ...
[03:48] <ogra> *flew
[03:49] <cbx33> you're in oslo now?
[03:49] <cbx33> cool....
[03:49] <cbx33> you get on with it then dude.....
[03:50] <paolob-parroquia> ogra, I bit better: some client more booted up...
[03:50] <cbx33> speak to you later ;)
[03:50] <ogra> cbx33, yes until friday and i have to implemet 3 specs til then ... i have done 1/2 yet ... too much chatting ...
[03:51] <ogra> paolob-parroquia, try to raise the values ... http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS has more info
[03:51] <cbx33> go go go
[03:54] <paolob-parroquia> ogra,  sudo showmount -e gives "rpc mount export: RPC: Timed out"
[03:59] <paolob-parroquia> ogra: I raised the values to 4096 and 4096, but that's worse: no client is arriving to the graphic login.
[03:59] <peterlyberth> I saw a cheap opteron based server, and thougt it would be great as an Edubuntu server. But opteron is a 64 bit cpu, so wont that give problems with flash and so?
[04:00] <paolob-parroquia> they stop with a "mount: RPC timed out" and "mount: NFS mount failed: bad file descriptor" and the various "no such file or directory"
[04:04] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:07] <peterlyberth> Anyone running edubuntu on a opteron based server?
[04:07] <peterlyberth> Wont the 64 bit cpu eliminate an easy way for the users to ger flash?
[04:10] <peterlyberth> Allo?
[04:13] <bddebian> Heya
[04:15] <peterlyberth> hya
[04:15] <peterlyberth> What kind of cpu would you recommend for at edubuntu server setup?
[04:18] <sbalneav> peterlyberth: Depends.  How many people are you looking to support?
[04:19] <peterlyberth> sbalneav: a small five client setup
[04:20] <sbalneav> For only 5 clients, just about any reasonable desktop machine should work.
[04:20] <sbalneav> High end pentium 3 or Athlon XP would be fine.
[04:20] <peterlyberth> Wow!
[04:20] <sbalneav> Anything above that would just be gravy
[04:21] <sbalneav> Just make sure it's got lots of ram.
[04:21] <peterlyberth> I saw a cheap opteron server. Whould that be a wise buy?
[04:21] <ogra> s/gravy/extendable/ :P
[04:21] <sbalneav> Sure.
[04:21] <sbalneav> That will give you lots of growth potential.
[04:21] <ogra> :)
[04:22] <peterlyberth> The thing is that the users will be kids And kids=flash. And flash aint 64 bit...
[04:22] <sbalneav> Run it in 32 bit mode then.
[04:22] <peterlyberth> Does the opteron cpu support 32 bit?
[04:24] <peterlyberth> Damn just googled. It suport 32 bit
[04:24] <peterlyberth> My bad
[04:24] <peterlyberth> Then the opteron it is:-)
[04:26] <peterlyberth> Thanks for the help
[05:02] <elkardi> need help to install edubuntu to thumb drive
[05:13] <sbalneav> elkardi: I don't think installation to a thumb drive's a supported installation method.  You might be able to get it to go, but it will take a lot of work.  Why do you need it on a thumb drive?
[05:18] <cbx33> ogra, herd2 seems broken here
[05:18] <cbx33> get past choosing keyboard, but then it hangs
[05:19] <cbx33> and switching to vtt4 yields kernel not found messages over and over agin
[05:20] <ogra> cbx33, sure you downloaded herd2 ?
[05:20] <cbx33> yes
[05:20] <cbx33> cdimages.ubuntu.com
[05:20] <ogra> and there ?
[05:20] <cbx33> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/feisty/herd-2/
[05:21] <ogra> hmm, i tested it on three different machines ...
[05:22] <cbx33> hmm....I wonder why it doesn;t work here
[05:22] <ogra> anyway, no way to fix it if its broken now ...
[05:22] <cbx33> no....but...i need to insstall feisty
[05:22] <cbx33> ;)
[05:26] <elkardi> sbalneav: i don't want to spend to much money on hard drive.
[05:26] <cbx33> maybe I should md5sum it
[05:26] <cbx33> check it's valid?
[05:26] <cbx33> can I md5sum a cd?
[05:27] <migi> cbx33, why not
[05:28] <cbx33> migi...doing it now ;)
[05:29] <sbalneav> elkardi: The standard installation doesn't allow for installation to a thumb drive.  Are you planning on running terminals off of this installation?
[05:30] <cbx33> ogra md5sum matches
[05:30] <cbx33> did I mention this is a vmware machine
[05:30] <cbx33> I'll try it again
[05:31] <elkardi> sbalneav: i already install it (by following the guide from ubuntu), but went boot it say cannot find kernal :
[05:31] <cbx33> ogra, occasionally, i see other messages popping by
[05:34] <cbx33> is there anyway to connect to the outside world from the alternative install cd busybox
[05:34] <cbx33> so that I can copy accross the syslog
[05:35] <ogra> cbx33, you can install the ssh client somehow from the installer menu
[05:36] <ogra> then you can scp it
[05:36] <cbx33> ahh ok
[05:36] <cbx33> thanks dude
[05:36] <ogra> dont ask about the exact steps its a while ago i did that
[05:36] <ogra> (i usually have a aprtition i can just mount to copy it to)
[05:36] <cbx33> i just found the tiem
[05:36] <ogra> *partition
[05:36] <cbx33> but...
[05:36] <cbx33> its the first hardware scan that it fails at
[05:37] <cbx33> which it requires to find the cd
[05:46] <cbx33> ogra I was stung by https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/80294
[05:52] <ogra> ah, yeah, thats a mean one
[06:07] <cliebow_> ok dumbo question..how to get riight click in poerpc??
[06:15] <ogra> f12
[06:21] <cliebow_> heh:didnt want to plague you!
[06:23] <Laser_away> ogra: is there a particular reason to do scribus-ng over scribus?
[06:24] <Laser_away> I was thinking about that the other day
 "As we announced previously, there will be no more development or bug fixes to 1.2.x series. We now recommend all distributions package only Scribus 1.3.3.x."
[06:24] <ogra> thats what i was just told in #scribus
[06:24] <Laser_away> oh wow
[07:56] <cbx33> hey LaserJock
[07:56] <LaserJock> cbx33!
[07:56] <cbx33> howz it going?
[07:57] <LaserJock> doing good, I think ;-)
[07:57] <cbx33> excelelnt
[07:57] <cbx33> seen how far tcm has come?
[07:59] <LaserJock> I saw your blog post
[07:59] <LaserJock> rockin'
[08:12] <humboldt> sbalneav: ogra told me, you might have an openssh-server package which offers a "none" encryption option.
[08:31] <cbx33> ogra.....does the 6% select and install software step take longer now?
[08:31] <cbx33> mine seems frozen
[08:31] <cbx33> tty4 shows just the in-target: list of pacakges
[08:32] <cbx33> CD is thrashing away
[08:32] <cbx33> but nothing much happening
[08:33] <cbx33> oh
[08:33] <cbx33> it;'s doing something now
[08:44] <juliux> cbx33, ogra is not here;)
[08:44] <cbx33> hehe
[08:44] <cbx33> oh yeh
[08:45] <juliux> he left 19:17
[08:45] <cbx33> i see that now
[08:45] <cbx33> in fact I saw before I wrote the message
[08:45] <cbx33> but forgot
[08:47] <sbalneav> humboldt: Yes, I patched openssh to accept the "none" encryption algorythm.
[08:49] <cbx33> sbalneav, you rock
[08:49] <sbalneav> Well, what I understand is that the official openssh packages in feisty will support this as well.
[08:50] <LaserJock> I don't quite understand why it's needed
[08:50] <LaserJock> is the encryption that much of a problem?
[08:50] <cbx33> slows down older machines in edubuntu
[08:51] <cbx33> so I've heard
[08:51] <sbalneav> On a low-powered client
[08:51] <sbalneav> yes
[08:51] <sbalneav> If you've got a pentium 75, doing ANY encryption's painful :)
[08:51] <LaserJock> well, but it seems to me like that wouldn't make a very good thin client anyway
[08:52] <LaserJock> but I can see where at some point any little improvment helps
[08:52] <cbx33> hheh
[08:54] <sbalneav> LaserJock: down in Brazil, P75's is all they got :)
[08:54] <cbx33> sbalneav, it'll make a great difference to them then
[08:55] <LaserJock> yeah, but those Brazilians are crazy :-)
[08:55] <sbalneav> One of the things you very quickly realize working with LTSP is: there's still a LOT of people using hardware that's at least 10 years old or greater.
[08:55] <sbalneav> And if you can turn a lab full of p75's from being bricks into useful machines, then "Viva la revelocion!" says I.
[08:55] <LaserJock> well, I found out about a week ago I get to teach this semester
[08:55] <sbalneav> Hey!
[08:55] <sbalneav> Congrats!
[08:56] <LaserJock> heh
[08:56] <sbalneav> Tenure's next
[08:56] <LaserJock> not exactly
[08:56] <LaserJock> just labs
[08:56] <LaserJock> but then this weekend I learned I'm co- Head TA / Computer Lab TA
[08:56] <cbx33> cool
[08:56] <cbx33> i love teaching
[08:56] <sbalneav> Once you have tenure, then you only need to teach one intro course per semester, and spend all the rest of your time on Ubuntu :)
[08:56] <ajmitch> hi
[08:56] <LaserJock> so I'm in charge of the computer lab too
[08:57] <LaserJock> so I went looking for it
[08:57] <LaserJock> and I found it in the library on the 3rd floor
[08:57] <sbalneav> hello ajmitch
[08:57] <LaserJock> but they bought all brand new machines :/
[08:57] <LaserJock> shiney new flat panel Dells
[08:58] <LaserJock> so although they are nice, I think that shoots my idea of turning it into an LTSP lab
[08:58] <ajmitch> and you get to put ubuntu on them all? ;)
[08:58] <LaserJock> no
[08:58] <ajmitch> what a waste of machines
[08:58] <LaserJock> now that they've bought new computer I'm sure they don't want me mucking around with them
[08:58] <LaserJock> with the old ones I couldn't do much harm ;-)
[08:58] <sbalneav> What he needs is for a lab-wide "hard drive crash" to occurr.
[08:59] <LaserJock> heh
[08:59] <sbalneav> For a small fee, in cash, small, unmarked bills only, please, I can arrange that to happen.
[08:59] <LaserJock> "Donno what happened, all 12 computers had some sort of sticky substance in there hard drives"
[08:59] <LaserJock> "Looks like honey or something"
[08:59] <LaserJock> "Well, I have a solution for you!"
[09:00] <sbalneav> "Yeah, and when the dell guy showed up to fix it, a big anvil with '20 tons' painted on the side fell on his head"
[09:00] <LaserJock> haha, "the dell guy showed up" that's rich
[09:00] <LaserJock> ;-)
[09:00] <sbalneav> Thought you'd like that :)
[09:01] <LaserJock> well, seriously, I think they are getting rid of the computer lab anyway
[09:01] <LaserJock> I think a lot of it's due to Windows
[09:01] <ajmitch> getting rid of it by getting new systems?
[09:01] <LaserJock> no
[09:02] <LaserJock> well, they may buy some laptops
[09:02] <LaserJock> but they are finding that computer labs just aren't cost effective anymore
[09:02] <cbx33> hi ajmitch
[09:02] <LaserJock> at least for individual departments
[09:02] <LaserJock> all people were doing in ours is IM'ing and surfing the web
[09:03] <LaserJock> they weren't learning anything and they didn't have much access to chemistry apps
[09:03] <cbx33> grrr the ltsp build step of the install failed
[09:03] <LaserJock> so for the amount of space it takes and people to run a computer lab
[09:03] <LaserJock> it's not worth it
[09:10] <cbx33> sbalneav, is it just ltsp-build-client with no options to build a client on edubuntu now?
[09:11] <sbalneav> yuppers
[09:11] <sbalneav> You can always mirror from the cd with the --mirror option
[09:11] <sbalneav> to speed up package getting.
[09:11] <ajmitch> cbx33: how's TCM coming along?
[09:12] <cbx33> ajmitch, check the blog...heheh almost done
[09:12] <cbx33> lemme link you
[09:12] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=209
[09:12] <cbx33> it's looking swish
[09:13] <ajmitch> fancy
[09:14] <cbx33> heheh....
[09:14] <cbx33> yeh it's getting there
[09:14] <cbx33> ogra and I plan to look at it on sunday
[09:14] <cbx33> till then I'm book chapter writing
[09:15] <cbx33> sbalneav, been looking at the ltsp website...
[09:15] <cbx33> I'm writing the edubuntu chapter for the official ubuntu book
[09:15] <cbx33> got any trouble shooting tips?
[09:15] <cbx33> I want an ltsp trouble shooting page
[09:16] <sbalneav> I've actually got a ton of them.  They were in a disconnected "troubleshooting" section on the edubuntu handbook.
[09:16] <sbalneav> But since the svn server's changed, I'm not sure where they are.
[09:18] <cbx33> oh
[09:18] <cbx33> i saw some on the wiki
[09:18] <cbx33> but want some really common ones
[09:19] <cbx33> if you could dig something out for me that'd be great?
[09:21] <sbalneav> Sure.
[09:25] <cbx33> oslo - and 3 specs
[09:25] <cbx33> he's hard at work
[09:25] <ajmitch> yeah, but just what is he working on?
[09:26] <ajmitch> I knew he was in oslo, and I know he's got 3 specs to do :)
[09:26] <cbx33> oh check his specs page
[09:26] <cbx33> they are 3 edubuntu specs I believe
[09:27] <ajmitch> yes, edubuntu-2-cds, -network-auth-{client,server}
[09:27] <cbx33> there ya go ;)
[09:27] <ajmitch> but I wanted to know what he was doing for them, especiialy network-auth-client :)
[09:27] <cbx33> oh
[09:27] <cbx33> no idea
[09:27] <ajmitch> since I've been hacking stuff related to that this week
[09:27] <ajmitch> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuNetworkAuthClient
[09:28] <ajmitch> given that implementation there depends on my code still, I need to get the package into shape asap
[09:28] <ajmitch> since it should have been done awhile ago
[09:29] <cbx33> ahh
[09:29] <cbx33> i see
[09:29] <cbx33> mail him and see;)
[09:30] <ajmitch> pfft
[09:30] <cbx33> hehe
[09:42] <cbx33> sbalneav, got a sec?
[09:45] <sbalneav> yep
[09:46] <sbalneav> whassup?
[09:46] <cbx33> should the dhcp-server be automatically started in feisty?
[09:46] <cbx33> i just did an install of edubuntu
[09:46] <cbx33> and it didn't start the dhcp server
[09:46] <cbx33> is that normal?
[09:46] <cbx33> do I need to start it manually
[09:47] <sbalneav> did you install "ltsp-server" or "ltsp-server-standalone"?
[09:47] <sbalneav> -standalone gets you the dhcp server.
[09:47] <cbx33> i did a default install of edubuntu feisty
[09:47] <sbalneav> Oh, then it should start automagically
[09:47] <sbalneav> if it doesn't, that's a paddlin'
[09:48] <cbx33> hmm.....it didn't
[09:48] <sbalneav> err, that's a bug
[09:48] <cbx33> could it be because the ltsp-build-client failed?
[09:48] <sbalneav> BUG!!! SQUASH IT!!!
[09:49] <sbalneav> sssssshouldn't be, I wouldn't think, because the dhcpd is installed long before the ltsp-build-client is run, methinks.
[09:49] <cbx33> hmm
[09:49] <sbalneav> Where's the pointer to the feisty edubuntu iso?
[09:49] <cbx33> where should I check to see if its run
[09:49] <sbalneav> I grabbed ubuntu feisty on the weekend, but not edubuntu?
[09:49] <sbalneav> s/\?/\./
[09:50] <stelis> sbalneav: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/feisty/herd-2/
[09:53] <sbalneav> excellent, torrenting it now.
[09:53] <sbalneav> thankee
[09:53] <sbalneav> hmmm
[09:54] <sbalneav> kinda slow on the torrent.
[09:54] <sbalneav> "connecting to peers (0.0%)
[09:54] <cbx33> I've never used torrent
[09:54] <stelis> I don't know whether this link was advertised outside the edubuntu mailing list
[09:55] <sbalneav> A wget will do,too
[09:55] <stelis> Or it could just be blocked ports
[09:55] <stelis> You need 6881-6889 inclusive
[09:55] <stelis> And your ISP has to allow them to :)
[09:55] <sbalneav> I've torrented other stuff, that works fine.
[09:57] <sbalneav> wget ahoy
[09:58] <sbalneav> Man, between wget, bttorrentcurses, and screen, I never have to wait for downloads.
[09:58] <sbalneav> Kick 'em off at home on my box while I'm at work, detach the screen, dl's done by the time I'm home from work.
[09:58] <sbalneav> Who says the command line's dead?
[09:59] <stelis> Not me.
[09:59] <stelis> Nor MS - they released a new shell for Windows a while ago...
[10:00] <cbx33> oh I thought they took it out of vista
[10:00] <cbx33> they did have one
[10:00] <stelis> It's now a separate download...I ran it on XP
[10:01] <LaserJock> sbalneav: my wget still has over an hour :/
[10:01] <sbalneav> BillG C:\> rename bash.exe command.exe
[10:01] <LaserJock> sbalneav: are you hogging it? :p
[10:01] <sbalneav> Yep.
[10:02] <sbalneav> All my packets are tagged with the "NoLaserJock" QOS bit set.
[10:02] <LaserJock> :(
[10:03] <sbalneav> Hey, any scuttlebut on where the next UDC is going to be?
[10:04] <sbalneav> Beuhler? anyone? anyone?
[10:04] <LaserJock> sbalneav: Spain
[10:04] <LaserJock> not sure what city though
[10:05] <sbalneav> Cool
[10:05] <LaserJock> I'm thinking I probably won't get to attend
[10:05] <LaserJock> I've got too much to do this spring
[10:07] <cbx33> hmmm
[10:08] <cbx33> sbalneav, the dhcpserver failed
[10:08] <cbx33> where can I find logs?
[10:08] <sbalneav> /var/log/daemon.log
[10:08] <cbx33> thanks
[10:08] <sbalneav> what's your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf file look like?
[10:09] <cbx33> well it's autogenerated now
[10:09] <cbx33> isnt it
[10:09] <cbx33> apparently
[10:09] <cbx33> No subnet declaration
[10:10] <cbx33> and not configured to listen on any interface
[10:10] <stelis> Same here - I've just tried to start DHCP on edubuntu herd2
[10:10] <cbx33> ogra said "it worked first time for me"
[10:11] <sbalneav> hm
[10:12] <sbalneav> I'll load it tonight.
[10:12] <cbx33> :(
[10:12] <cbx33> sbalneav, can you give me any clues on how to fix?
[10:12] <cbx33> I'll pastebin a config file
[10:12] <LaserJock> cbx33: could it have something to do with your vmware network configuration?
[10:13] <cbx33> possible but unlikely
[10:13] <cbx33> it's worked before on dapper
[10:14] <cbx33> http://pastebin.ca/326092
[10:15] <cbx33> seems pretty close to the one in the getting started guide
[10:16] <sbalneav> That seems right.
[10:16] <sbalneav> so what does "invokerc.d dhcp3-server restart" give you?
[10:17] <cbx33> sbalneav, where do we set which network device the server runs off of?
[10:18] <cbx33> maybe that's it
[10:19] <cbx33> in the installation, is the first primary network device which we select in the edubuntu install the LTSP side of the network or the other side
[10:22] <cbx33> also the eth1 device isnt "configured" according to the gnome networking tool
[10:22] <cbx33> could that be having an effect?
[10:22] <cbx33> it's not in /etc/network/interfaces either
[10:23] <sbalneav> Probably
[10:23] <cbx33> any help?
[10:23] <sbalneav> What are the terminals set up on, the second interface?
[10:23] <cbx33> yes
[10:23] <cbx33> well i want them to be
[10:24] <sbalneav> I was under the impression that ogra had set it up so that the unused interface WOULD become the ltsp interface, and the dhcpd would run on that one.
[10:24] <sbalneav> So maybe it's an installation bug.
[10:24] <sbalneav> I'll try it tonight on a two interface machine.
[10:24] <cbx33> how would I manually set it up
[10:24] <cbx33> ?
[10:24] <cbx33> or is it complicated?
[10:25] <sbalneav> What's the ip address of your primary interface?
[10:25] <cbx33> it's dhcp assigned
[10:25] <sbalneav> Nah, nothing's ever complicated. :)
[10:25] <cbx33> the intaller did that
[10:26] <sbalneav> ok, but what RANGE?
[10:26] <sbalneav> 192.168.0.x?
[10:26] <cbx33> 192.168.16.
[10:26] <sbalneav> ok
[10:26] <sbalneav> easy peasy then
[10:26] <sbalneav> manually confugure your eth1 to be 192.168.0.254
[10:26] <sbalneav> 255.255.255.0
[10:26] <cbx33> ok
[10:26] <sbalneav> ltsp-update-sshkeys
[10:27] <sbalneav> invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server start
[10:27] <sbalneav> bob
[10:27] <sbalneav> bob's yer uncle
[10:27] <cbx33> what for the gateway?
[10:27] <cbx33> or should I leave that blank
[10:27] <sbalneav> Don't need that one.
[10:27] <sbalneav> You're not going to route off the interface, so it doesn't matter.
[10:27] <cbx33> ok
[10:28] <cbx33> still failed
[10:28] <cbx33> it's still trying to tie it to eth0
[10:28] <cbx33> where is that set?
[10:28] <sbalneav> take a look in /etc/default/dhcp3-server
[10:29] <sbalneav> what's it say in the options line?
[10:29] <cbx33> hang on
[10:29] <sbalneav> INTERFACES=""?
[10:30] <cbx33> yup
[10:30] <cbx33> thats it
[10:30] <sbalneav> Man, if I had a nickle for every dhcpd problem I've solved, I'd have a bunch of nickles :)
[10:30] <sbalneav> INTERFACES="eth1"
[10:30] <cbx33> yup
[10:30] <cbx33> doing now
[10:30] <sbalneav> They don't have nickles in Britain, if I remember.
[10:31] <sbalneav> But you don't use pence, shillings, etc any more, either.
[10:31] <cbx33> GRRR
[10:31] <cbx33> now it says
[10:31] <sbalneav> what doesn daemon.log say?
[10:31] <cbx33> no subnet for eth1 (0.0.0.0)
[10:31] <sbalneav> is eth1 up?
[10:31] <sbalneav> ifconfig eth1
[10:32] <sbalneav> betcha it isn;t
[10:32] <sbalneav> betcha betcha betcha
[10:33] <cbx33> no
[10:33] <cbx33> and it can't bring it up for some reason
[10:33] <cbx33> http://pastebin.ca/326114
[10:33] <cbx33> too few parameters for iface line
[10:33] <cbx33> :(
[10:34] <sbalneav> Can't get it up, eh?  Geez, and you havn't even been married for 15 years like me :)
[10:34] <sbalneav> bwahahaha
[10:34] <sbalneav> yeah, that's a bug I ran into the other night.
[10:34] <blue-frog> cbx33: inet static
[10:34] <sbalneav> check the iface line
[10:34] <sbalneav> iface eth1 inet static
[10:34] <blue-frog> iface eth1 inet static
[10:34] <sbalneav> add the static
[10:35] <cbx33> grrrr
[10:35] <sbalneav> network mangler has a problem.
[10:35] <sbalneav> durned gui tools
[10:35] <cbx33> yeh indeed
[10:35] <sbalneav> vi ALWAYS works :)
[10:36] <cbx33> w00t
[10:36] <sbalneav> \o/
[10:36] <cbx33> has that bug been bugged?
[10:37] <sbalneav> Dunno.  I was going to file it tonight if not.
[10:37] <cbx33> please do
[10:37] <cbx33> hehe
[10:38] <sbalneav> "Gui tools: causing more problems than they solve since 1985!"
[10:38] <LaserJock> :-)
[10:39] <cbx33> flippin eck
[10:39] <sbalneav> :D\-<
[10:39] <sbalneav> :D|-<
[10:39] <sbalneav> :D/-<
[10:39] <cbx33> just got tonnes of ata exception errors
[10:41] <cbx33> but it's working
[10:41] <cbx33> kernel has some bugs that need to be worked out
[10:42] <sbalneav> More prophetic words were never spoken.
[10:42] <cbx33> thanks so much sbalneav
[10:42] <cbx33> I owe you
[10:42] <paolob-parroquia> Hi guys! I am still with the problems with the clients that don't want to boot up after the restore of the backup. What do you reccomend me:
[10:43] <paolob-parroquia> 1. apt-get reistall all the packages
[10:43] <paolob-parroquia> 2. reistall the whole sistem from cd
[10:43] <paolob-parroquia> ?
[10:44] <LaserJock> the server works fine though otherwise?
[10:50] <paolob-parroquia> LaserJock, are you asking me?
[10:53] <LaserJock> paolob-parroquia: yes
[10:54] <paolob-parroquia> LaserJock, yes the server works fine, the problem is that the clients doesn't boot up, they stop with a busybox console, the problem is an error with nfs mounting
[10:54] <cbx33> thanks so much sbalneav
[10:54] <LaserJock> paolob-parroquia: so it seems a little harsh when it's only the client chroot or LTSP that would be the problem
[10:54] <LaserJock> to completley reinstall
[10:54] <paolob-parroquia> LaserJock, I think so
[10:56] <paolob-parroquia> LaserJock, no, I think the ltsp chroot is ok, because I reinstalled it with ltsp-build-client. Supposedly the problem isn't in the ltsp tree
[10:57] <paolob-parroquia> LaserJock, and nfs works fine (apparently): I can mount /opt/ltsp from another pc
[10:58] <LaserJock> well, but LTSP is where the client get's the kernel, I think
[11:00] <sbalneav> paolob-parroquia: What's the contents of your /etc/exports?
[11:00] <paolob-parroquia> sbalneav, I checked it with ogra, it's ok
[11:01] <sbalneav> Then it should work.
[11:02] <sbalneav> Do the client's boot the kernel?
[11:02] <sbalneav> WHere do they stop, exactly?
[11:02] <cbx33> sbalneav, hmmm......that worked, but....now the dhcp server is serving addresses on eth0 as well :(
[11:03] <cbx33> and interfering with my other dhcp server
[11:03] <sbalneav> shouldn't, if you set the INTERFACES="eth1" line.
[11:03] <cbx33> swat i thought
[11:03] <cbx33> unless the devices are the other way round
[11:34] <peter_lybertt> Say the users all need evolution, now is there a way to automate the setup process?
[11:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> peter_lybertt, ?
[11:40] <peter_lybertt> I mean if there is say 30 users, who all need to use evolution, but cant set it up them selves. Then it would be a crap job, set 30 email accounts up in evolution.
[11:40] <peter_lybertt> So is there a script or program which can automate the process
[11:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> i doubt it tbh
[11:43] <peter_lybertt> to bad. I didnt thought so, but perhaps some of u pro's knew of some kind of program
[11:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you find one let me know... i do it by hand :|
[11:46] <stelis> IIRC, Red Hat developed something for storing Evo user settings in LDAP
[11:47] <peter_lybertt> stelis: Is it avalible for download?
[11:49] <stelis> Probably...it was written by one of their developers (Mark McGlouglin?), and I don't know if it's a formal product
[11:54] <stelis> http://live.gnome.org/Evolution/GConfLDAPBackend
[11:59] <peter_lybertt> stelis: Thanks!