[12:15] <dope> my skippy is broken
[12:19] <InuDuelist> Pssst, anyone wanna help me mount my windows partition really quickly?
[12:20] <stdin> InuDuelist: what's the problem ?
[12:21] <InuDuelist> Just forgot the command to mount my windows drive.
[12:21] <stdin> InuDuelist: do you want it to mount automatically, or just for now ?
[12:21] <InuDuelist> Automatically.
[12:21] <stdin> ok, you need to add a line to /etc/fstab
[12:22] <stdin> open it with Alt-F2, kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[12:22] <stdin> what's the device name of the windows partition ?
[12:23] <InuDuelist> Uh?
[12:23] <stdin> eg /dev/hda1 ?
[12:23] <mau12> ntfs
[12:23] <InuDuelist> Probably hdb1
[12:23] <InuDuelist> And NTFS.
[12:23] <stdin> and where do you want it to be mounted to ?
[12:24] <InuDuelist> Probably /media/windows
[12:24] <malik> whats the differens between flash plugin and shockwave plugin?
[12:24] <stdin> InuDuelist: so you need a line like "/dev/hdb1 /media/windows ntfs auto,umask=0000 0 0"
[12:25] <stdin> malik: shockwave is more for games, and isn't available on linux
[12:25] <InuDuelist> stdin, how do I add it to fstab?
[12:25] <malik> ooh ok then
[12:26] <stdin> InuDuelist: I told you to open it with, Alt-F2, kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[12:26] <InuDuelist> Oh, right.
[12:26] <InuDuelist> Do I just stick /dev/hdb1       /media/windows ntfs auto,umask=0000 0 0 to the end of it?
[12:26] <stdin> InuDuelist: yep
[12:26] <InuDuelist> OK thanks
[12:27] <stdin> InuDuelist: then just type "sudo mount /media/windows" to mount it for now, after that it will mount at boot
[12:27] <linux_galore> stdin: Im suprised kubuntu doesnt have the fstab editor plugin for kcontrol, its been out for ages
[12:27] <malik> stdin: when i click on .bin or .wma files in konqi kate starts opens the files automatically and corrupts it............how do i fix that?
[12:28] <stdin> linux_galore: it probably dose, but I never used it, so I can't give instructions on it :P
[12:28] <mau12> Please, help me. How can I boot my pc again with an windows cd if I had installed grub and after that I hve installed ubuntu as a unique os?
[12:28] <linux_galore> stdin: no, its not there by default, not sure if the plugin is on the repo though
[12:28] <stdin> malik: you need to add a file association with it, in Settings -> Configure Konqueror
[12:29] <stdin> linux_galore: System Settings -> Disk and Filesystems :)
[12:29] <linux_galore> stdin: aah they have put it in systemsettings
[12:29] <linux_galore> stdin: I never use the thing
[12:30] <malik> stdin: you mean associate an action with kate or with those filetypes so that kate doesnt open em?
[12:30] <stdin> linux_galore: I'm more of a CLI person :)
[12:30] <gan|y|med> hi
[12:30] <mau12> hi gan
[12:30] <dope> can someone help me with my skippy
[12:30] <stdin> malik: in konqueror, so kate wont open them
[12:30] <linux_galore> stdin: same here, too many late night with ssh and a dodgy server
[12:31] <dope> use vim
[12:31] <malik> !firefly
[12:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about firefly - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:31] <malik> does any one knows how to use firefly extension of ff
[12:31] <InuDuelist> stdin, there's a problem.
[12:31] <InuDuelist> It won't mount /media/windows
[12:31] <gan|y|med> is there a special kernel option that is needed so that uuids can be used during boot-up?
[12:31] <malik> it says that it can turn FF into filebrowse too
[12:31] <stdin> InuDuelist: what's the error ?
[12:32] <linux_galore> malik: go to the mozilla home page and look the extension up, there should be a link to the home page
[12:32] <linux_galore> for the *
[12:32] <stdin> gan|y|med: no, just use "root=UUID=TheUUIDHere"
[12:32] <InuDuelist> [mntent] : warning: no final newline at the end of /etc/fstab
[12:32] <InuDuelist> mount: mount point /media/windows does not exist
[12:32] <InuDuelist> Oh.
[12:33] <InuDuelist> I just make an extra line at the end of fstab?
[12:33] <dope> so someone wanna help me with my skippy?
[12:33] <stdin> InuDuelist: yeah, and make the directory in /media, easiest way is to open konsole and type "sudo mkdir /media/windows"
[12:35] <linux_galore> dope: yeah mate, do you want the bugger rare or well done
[12:35] <dope> i just want it to work
[12:35] <dope> i read your text with an english accent in my head
[12:35] <InuDuelist> Thanks stdin, works.
[12:35] <stdin> InuDuelist: no problem :)
[12:35] <linux_galore> dope: find the home page for the project, they may have a forum
[12:36] <vbgunz> thunderbird is frigging BROKE!Z
[12:36] <gan|y|med> stdin: hm, just booted in initng with a new kernel, and suddenly it cannot mount my part anymore, complaining about uuids being used and not recognized. could the uuids have changed when using a new kernel?
[12:36] <vbgunz> what is the official thunderbird channel? on what server?
[12:37] <linux_galore> dope: http://thegraveyard.org/skippy.php   also note skippy is a gnome project and this is a kde centric channel
[12:37] <mau12> Im having problems with the update of openoffice. somebody knows something?
[12:38] <stdin> gan|y|med: they shouldn't have
[12:38] <faLUCE> Hi. A really difficoult question. If I launch xset in order to blank the screen while mplayer is running, and another script kills mplayer, xset returns to the desktop. I don't want that this happens (I want that the blank screen remains)... what should I do?
[12:38] <dope> it's on kde-look.org
[12:38] <stdin> gan|y|med: there is a command to check the uuids
[12:38] <stdin> !UUID
[12:38] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in the terminal: "blkid" (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[12:38] <stdin> gan|y|med: blkid
[12:39] <malik> can any one have a look on this link for the firefly and tell me if i will be able to look up all the folders on the system with that?.......https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/3076/
[12:40] <linux_galore> dope: kde has a built in task switcher anyway press alt-tab
[12:40] <vbgunz> Thunderbird is broke! how can they do this? It's broke on Windows and Kubuntu!? anyone know of the official channel?
[12:40] <dope> but i like the expose thing
[12:40] <dope> and kompose is slow
[12:41] <gan|y|med> stdin: thx
[12:41] <moparisthebest> is there a version of kubuntu for the ia64 architecture?
[12:41] <faLUCE> Hi. A really difficoult question. If I launch xset in order to blank the screen while mplayer is running, and another script kills mplayer, xset returns to the desktop. I don't want that this happens (I want that the blank screen remains)... what should I do?
[12:41] <linux_galore> dope: kompose is fast for me,  slow down the refresh rate in kompose
[12:42] <Ch1ppy> Hello, if I have a printer plugged into a USB port, what file would I use to access this device?
[12:42] <dope> linux_galore: where is that?
[12:42] <linux_galore> dope: I have a p3 933 at home and kompose is fine, you just have to slow the refresh down so it doesnt hog resources
[12:42] <dope> delay between screen shots?
[12:42] <linux_galore> dope:  right click on the kompose icon in the tray, same as windows
[12:43] <linux_galore> dope: yep
[12:43] <dope> make the number higher?
[12:43] <linux_galore> dope: yeah, increase the delay time
[12:44] <dope> it's at 999
[12:44] <dope> it's still not instant like bery :-/
[12:44] <stdin> vbgunz: the official thunderbird channel is #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org
[12:44] <vbgunz> thank you!
[12:44] <linux_galore> dope: if you run kompose in beryl you going to have a huge lag problem
[12:45] <linux_galore> dope: allot of stuff hasnt been ported yet for beryl
[12:45] <frank___> (Please don't laugh)  I keet running  xhost+ to give another user on my computer access to display on X. How stupid is that from a security perspective?
[12:45] <dope> i run kompose because beryl was a hog
[12:45] <Anon5510> t
[12:45] <underdog5004> yay, I'm finally back...guess they repaired the FiOp line...
[12:45] <linux_galore> dope: I dare say you need more ram or a better system if you want to run fancy resource hogging graphics tools
[12:45] <dope> NNOOOOO
[12:46] <dope> why won't my 386 work?
[12:46] <linux_galore> dope eye candy = lots of system resources
[12:46] <stdin> frank___: that is quite stupid yes :P you can just use "xhost +LOCAL:" to give only _local_ users access to the display
[12:46] <dope> someone said it was a nvidia driver bug i had with beryl
[12:46] <dope> otherwise i'd use it
[12:46] <dope> i've got a decent system here
[12:46] <dope> 2.4Ghz P4 1g ram 6800xt
[12:46] <linux_galore> dope beryl is still expermental
[12:47] <dope> yea so i've noticed :P
[12:47] <frank___> stdin: oh...  could anyone on the internet run something on my computer this way? or would they still need my password?
[12:47] <linux_galore> dope kompose wont really be of any use till you move to kde 4
[12:47] <dope> where do i get kde 4 at
[12:48] <linux_galore> dope first get a time machine and go forward 6 months
[12:48] <mau12> kde 4 is just a beta
[12:48] <dope> why do they have a 4th version?
[12:48] <dope> why couldn't they get it right the first time?
[12:48] <linux_galore> dope its a new release,  kompose was originally just a hack
[12:48] <dope> anyone here use a dvorak keyboard layout?
[12:49] <slyfox> I need to associate mp3 in firefox with Amarok, to do that I need to point firefox to amarok, where is amarok isntalled ?
[12:49] <stdin> frank___: they would still need to login to the system to do it, but allowing unrestricted access can have some security issues, if you only open it to local users, that risk it reduced significantly
[12:49] <linux_galore> dope: just you and that dyslexic monkey in the corner
[12:49] <dope> slyfox: try /usr/bin/amarok
[12:49] <linux_galore> :-P
[12:49] <dope> :/
[12:49] <dope> it's supposed to be better than qwerty
[12:49] <dope> i'm too lazy to relearn how to type
[12:49] <frank___> stdin: ok thanks
[12:50] <stdin> np :)
[12:50] <frank___> stdin: I'm trying to figure out why my ISP detected an IRC bot from my connection ;(
[12:50] <linux_galore> dope: if its so much better how come the worlds fastest typed doesnt use dvorak, maybe because key layout doesnt make that much difference
[12:50] <linux_galore> typer*
[12:51] <slyfox> dope: thank you
[12:51] <stdin> frank___: a bot, or a proxy?
[12:51] <gan|y|med> what is dvorak?
[12:51] <linux_galore> gan|y|med: alternate key layout
[12:51] <stdin> !dvorak | gan|y|med
[12:51] <ubotu> gan|y|med: dvorak is a keyboard layout that aims to be more comfortable and efficient alternative to the standard "QWERTY" pattern. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_Simplified_Keyboard
[12:51] <frank___> stdin: either this computer a Windows PC or someone else on my router (which I hadn't encrypted)  They told me it was a irc bot on port 61899
[12:51] <gan|y|med> thx
[12:52] <linux_galore> doesnt make any difference though
[12:52] <surgy> what do i need to extract a .rar archive?
[12:52] <dope> woo i helped someone!
[12:52] <linux_galore> surgy: unrar
[12:52] <slyfox> dope: wow it appeares that Amarok does nto know how to handle m3u files. I open one and it is fine, then I want to lsiten to the enxt one and ANOTHER amarok opens up? !!
[12:52] <dope> eh i dunno, try winamp :P
[12:53] <linux_galore> surgy: install  unrar then the archive manager can open the file
[12:53] <surgy> linux_galore: i have unrar but it doesnt show up in kde menu and i tryed "unrar file.rar" and it doesnt work
[12:53] <surgy> linux_galore: ark is still saying it cant open it
[12:53] <linux_galore> surgy:   thats because unrar is a command line tool
[12:53] <linux_galore> surgy: you have to tell ark to use unrar
[12:53] <stdin> frank___: tell your isp to "suck it" :P
[12:53] <surgy> how?
[12:54] <frank___> stdin: well, if it's true, I must have a problem somewhere
[12:55] <surgy> linux_galore: how do i tell it to use unrar?
[12:55] <mau12> I'm still having problems with the instalation of tar.gz package. Could somebody help me?
[12:56] <moparisthebest> is there a kubuntu install for the ia64 architecture?
[12:57] <linux_galore> surgy: wouldnt have a clue, I usually just type  unrar filename.rar
[12:58] <linux_galore> moparisthebest: have to use Debian
[12:58] <hackman127> I'm trying to play an MP3 in KDE on a new install of kubuntu using amaroK, but when I play the MP3, it immediately says "Playlist finished". Any ideas?
[12:58] <gan|y|med> that layout brilliant. so the question is where to get a keyboard (especially because i have a notebook)
[12:58] <gan|y|med> is
[12:58] <stdin> !mp3 | hackman127
[12:58] <ubotu> hackman127: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:58] <linux_galore> moparisthebest: its considered by many a dead architecture
[12:58] <stdin> hackman127: you need to install mp3 support
[12:59] <gan|y|med> dope: are those keyboards freely available?
[12:59] <Admiral_Chicago_> Eyeless: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[12:59] <dope> dunno
[12:59] <sleepy745> in adept, whats the difference between purge and remove?
[12:59] <dope> i just read about them once
[12:59] <mau12> hackman have u download the codecs for kde?
[12:59] <Admiral_Chicago_> oops, way behind, didn't realize
[12:59] <stdin> sleepy745: purge removes the configuration files too
[01:00] <mau12> hackman: have you download the audio codecs for kde?
[01:00] <ZombieLove> Hey everyone, looking to purchase a laptop tonight and I'd like to get one that is supported very well for Ubuntu/Kubuntu. Any recommendations?
[01:01] <sleepy745> does it remove stuff in xodrg.conf?
[01:01] <linux_galore> moparisthebest: if you talking about a new Intel 64 bit cpu just use the 64 bit version of Kubuntu
[01:01] <sleepy745> I want to uninstall beryl and keep the settings in xorg.conf to install a newer version
[01:02] <chickener> ZombieLove:  perhaps look for nvidia graphics and intel wireless.  i've had best luck with laptops and that combination.
[01:02] <moparisthebest> linux_galore, I thought the 64 bit version was just for amd cpus?
[01:02] <stdin> sleepy745: no, just the beryl config files. not xorg.conf
[01:02] <sleepy745> ok
[01:03] <linux_galore> moparisthebest: intel basically copied amd's stuff
[01:03] <mau12> zombie: hp
[01:03] <moparisthebest> so it will work linux_galore ?
[01:03] <ZombieLove> chickener: can you recommend a vendor (e.g. lenovo, dell, hp, etc..)?
[01:03] <ZombieLove> mau12: i'll check out hp now
[01:03] <stdin> amd64 packages are just optimised for AMD. but work fine on intel
[01:03] <dope> i don't think my surround sound is working
[01:03] <linux_galore> moparisthebest: yep
[01:04] <mau12> ok I'm using one right now
[01:04] <moparisthebest> so should I use the amd64 package or the x86 package?
[01:04] <moparisthebest> which would be better?
[01:04] <ZombieLove> mau12: what model are you using?
[01:04] <linux_galore> moparisthebest: yep, the extensions to x86 that amd added Intel use ie x86-64  and amd64 are very very much the same
[01:05] <HymnToLife> actually, Intel's EM64T is just a reimplementation of AMD's AMD64
[01:05] <moparisthebest> ok linux_galore thanks for all the help :)
[01:05] <HymnToLife> they even paid a license for it :p
[01:06] <mau12> a little old modelmpavilion zt1145
[01:06] <linux_galore> HymnToLife: I read the spec two years ago and noticed they x86-64 stuff intel had was the same, didnt know about the license though
[01:07] <linux_galore> HymnToLife: thats all going to change when amd start adding 128/256 gpu's to the cpu's
[01:07] <dope> how do i give programs a higher priority
[01:07] <dope> so when a bunch of things are happening at once my music doesn't get affected
[01:08] <HymnToLife> yep, hopefull ATi will have made decent Linux drivers by then
[01:08] <linux_galore> 128/256 bit*
[01:08] <HymnToLife> hopefully*
[01:09] <linux_galore> HymnToLife: my owrry is about the quad core stuff because how intel are doing it is different from amd's solution
[01:09] <linux_galore> worry*
[01:09] <stdin> dope: in KSysGaurd: right click -> Renice Process, in konsole "man renice"
[01:10] <dubeau> salut
[01:10] <dubeau> j'ai un serieux probleme
[01:10] <HymnToLife> !fr
[01:10] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[01:10] <stdin> !fr
[01:10] <CSonicGo> haha
[01:10] <HymnToLife> stdin, pwn3d :p
[01:10] <stdin> :D
[01:10] <dubeau> quelqu'un peut m'aider
[01:11] <dubeau> ?
[01:11] <matt0507> hi, what is the console command to mount my other partition named sda2? system shutdown improperly and now cant access my partition.
[01:11] <HymnToLife> !fr
[01:11] <stdin> dubeau: #kubuntu-fr svp :)
[01:11] <dubeau> ss
[01:12] <CSonicGo> I wish I knew French. :(
[01:12] <stdin> matt0507: what filesystem is it, where do you want to mount it and is it in /etc/fstab ?
[01:12] <mau12> matt0507 have you ever used gparted?
[01:13] <matt0507> its an ntfs systema nd i want to mount it in /media
[01:13] <stdin> matt0507: where in /media ?
[01:13] <matt0507> just at /media/
[01:13] <dubeau> Bad request: The IMAP server is reporting that plain text logins are disabled. Using CRAM-MD5 or DIGEST-MD5 authentication instead may work. Also, the use of TLS may allow SquirrelMail to login. Please contact your system administrator and report this error.
[01:14] <dubeau> voici mon erreur sur squirrelmail
[01:14] <HymnToLife> !fr
[01:14] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[01:14] <dubeau> quelqu'un m'aider
[01:14] <HymnToLife> dubeau, quatre fois qu'on te dit d'aller sur #ubuntu-fr !
[01:14] <dubeau> c'est urgent
[01:14] <stdin> matt0507: you shouldn't mount things to /media , if you (for example) want to use a CD, you won't be able to
[01:15] <CSonicGo> HymnToLife: remember that famous line from Pulp fiction... :P
[01:15] <linux_galore> matt0507: /media  is for removable media not for static file systems
[01:15] <dubeau> merci
[01:15] <dubeau> a tous
[01:15] <HymnToLife> afraid not, I saw it ages ago
[01:15] <matt0507> stdin: oh so where should i mount it?
[01:16] <mau12> debeau: Habla usted espaol?
[01:16] <CSonicGo> ah
[01:16] <stdin> matt0507: a good place would be /media/windows
[01:16] <CSonicGo> that isn't spanish
[01:16] <linux_galore> matt0507:   make a directory in  /mnt/     is  sudo mkdir  /mnt/windows  then mount that
[01:16] <mau12> yes
[01:16] <linux_galore> ie*
[01:17] <CSonicGo> HymnToLife: "ENGLISH *****, do you speak it?!" was the line
[01:17] <stdin> linux_galore: /mnt is for temporary (eg network) mounts :P
[01:17] <K-Ryan> Evening #kubuntu
[01:17] <stdin> linux_galore: filesystem standards must be adhered to :P
[01:17] <HymnToLife> yep, why not mount it directly on /windows ?
[01:18] <linux_galore> stdin: news to me
[01:18] <stdin> matt0507: for a temporary solution use "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda2 /mnt -o umask=0000"
[01:19] <stdin> linux_galore: but you are right, /media is for removable media, not partitions :)
[01:19] <K-Ryan> stdin how would i mount my external hdd?
[01:19] <K-Ryan> it's either not being nice with windows, or its broke...
[01:19] <stdin> K-Ryan: depends what filesystem it has
[01:19] <K-Ryan> fat32
[01:20] <matt0507> linux_galore:  what is the command to mount sda2 to /mnt/windows?
[01:20] <stdin> K-Ryan: and what's the device location (eg /dev/sda1) ?
[01:20] <K-Ryan> i dont get that part
[01:20] <K-Ryan> its hooked in a usb
[01:20] <stdin> matt0507: "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda2 /mnt/windows -o umask=0000"
[01:20] <matt0507> stdin: ty
[01:21] <XenThraL> Hi, I was wondering if its possible to use the fonts that come with kubuntu in a commercial product?
[01:21] <stdin> K-Ryan: it should show the device in "/media" or "media:/" in konq
[01:21] <K-Ryan> its not there stdin
[01:22] <stdin> K-Ryan: ok, the hard(er) way then :P
[01:22] <XenThraL> ...anyone know the licensing on them, would it be an issue?
[01:22] <stdin> K-Ryan: open konsole
[01:22] <K-Ryan> XenThraL I believe it's free to use
[01:22] <stdin> K-Ryan: type: sudo fdisl -l
[01:22] <XenThraL> in any venture?
[01:22] <mau12> Xenthral you shoul read the GNU license
[01:22] <stdin> XenThraL: the fonts in Kubuntu should be GPL
[01:22] <underdog5004> !gnu
[01:22] <ubotu> G(NU's) N(ot) U(nix). A project that aimed to develop a complete operating system of Free Software, which Ubuntu is based on. See http://gnu.org
[01:22] <XenThraL> mau12: I have no idea how it applies to fonts
[01:22] <K-Ryan> sudo fdisl -l
[01:22] <K-Ryan> command not found
[01:23] <underdog5004> K-Ryan, fdisk, not fdisl
[01:23] <stdin> K-Ryan: typo :P  sudo fdisk -l
[01:23] <K-Ryan> =)
[01:23] <underdog5004> lol
[01:23] <K-Ryan> oh poo
[01:23] <K-Ryan> it doesn't show
[01:23] <K-Ryan> it's not connected
[01:24] <mau12> Do Fonts belong to the project?
[01:24] <K-Ryan> sda1 ?
[01:24] <stdin> K-Ryan: check in "/media" or "media:/" in konq now
[01:24] <K-Ryan> its there in sda1
[01:24] <K-Ryan> but its apparantly empty?
[01:25] <K-Ryan> i definitly had a good 80GB on it though...
[01:25] <K-Ryan>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[01:25] <K-Ryan> /dev/sda1               1       30401   244196001    c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[01:26] <matt0507> K-Ryan:that happens to my ntfs partition , until i asked and i mounted it it elsewhere, now i can see the files
[01:26] <K-Ryan> alright then, how can i mount it elsewhere?
[01:26] <stdin> K-Ryan: pmount /dev/sda1 MyDisk
[01:26] <stdin> (no sudo)
[01:27] <stdin> it'll be in /media/MyDisk then
[01:27] <K-Ryan> mount:wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, missing codepage or other error. In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so
[01:27] <hackman127> stdin, That got MP3 working. Thanks
[01:28] <stdin> K-Ryan: don't look good, try "sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt"
[01:28] <stdin> hackman127: no problem :)
[01:28] <K-Ryan> same error
[01:28] <ubuntu_> I made a mistake and mkswap'd the wrong partition. Now everytime I try to mount that partition I get "/dev/hda2 looks like swapspace - not mounted." Can I fix this?
[01:29] <stdin> K-Ryan: hmm, looks very bad
[01:29] <K-Ryan> stdin: bb in 20, dinner
[01:29] <stdin> K-Ryan: seems the filesystem is corrupt
[01:29] <stdin> ubuntu_: reformat it as something else
[01:30] <ubuntu_> There's a file on that partition I'd like to have...
[01:30] <stdin> ubuntu_: seeing as you formatted the partition (as swap), it may be gone
[01:30] <ubuntu_> Well crap, there goes all my bookmarks.
[01:31] <underdog5004> anyone seen genii lately?
[01:32] <stdin> underdog5004: he was on last night, but not today afaik
[01:32] <underdog5004> ok...I recently changed my username...haven't spoken to him for a while...
[01:35] <underdog5004> so...anyone have experience w/ teg?
[01:35] <underdog5004> !teg
[01:35] <ubotu> Come play teg with us!  (Like the board game Risk.)  Game will start when we get some players rounded up - get yourself set up and join quickly if you'd like to participate.  Install the "teg" package, run 'tegclient', and connect to server yarusso.no-ip.org, port 2000.  Ping tonyyarusso for more info.
[01:36] <stdin> nope
[01:36] <ZombieLove> Hey Everyone,
[01:36] <ZombieLove> what do you all think about http://www.linuxcertified.com/index.html? Are they a good company to buy laptops from?
[01:36] <underdog5004> bummer
[01:38] <underdog5004> ZombieLove, I've had _no_ experience w/ them...sorry...
[01:39] <CaBlGuY> there a way to remove Totem without messin up my current install?
[01:39] <chickener> i've always been the guy that bought first then tinkered endlessly to get it to mostly work
[01:39] <chickener> removing totem shouldn't break anything
[01:39] <CaBlGuY> but, it's saying if I remove it, Ubuntu desktop goes with it.
[01:39] <CaBlGuY> :/
[01:40] <stdin> CaBlGuY: "kubuntu-desktop" and "ubuntu-desktop" are meta packages, and is safe to remove
[01:40] <underdog5004> cableguy...sudo apt-get remove --purge totem ?
[01:41] <ZombieLove> underdog: can you recommend a good distributor or a solid laptop with good linux support? I'm surfing around endlessly on all the major vendors and can't find something I feel comfortable with.
[01:41] <chickener> yes that happens on occasion.  why are you wanting to remove totem?  maybe just delete the icon from the menu and pretend you deleted it.
[01:41] <CaBlGuY> stdin:  ok, so that won't mess up my desktop GUI then right?
[01:42] <CaBlGuY> chickener:  don't use it, don't need it, and I got "updates" on my taskbar..
[01:42] <stdin> CaBlGuY: no, they aren't "real" packages, they just depend on all the default applications
[01:42] <CaBlGuY> stdin:  okey.. thanks..  ;)
[01:42] <stdin> :)
[01:42] <chickener> yes i like mplayer and vlc better in gnome
[01:42] <Minataku> ZombieLove: Toshiba
[01:42] <ZombieLove> minataku: thanks, I'll check that out
[01:43] <Minataku> Not only are they the best laptops, they've got great Linux support
[01:43] <Minataku> I should know, I'm using one right now
[01:43] <Minataku>  19:41:33 up 27 days,  6:33,  6 users,  load average: 0.31, 0.61, 0.62
[01:43] <Minataku> :D
[01:43] <underdog5004> ZombieLove, I personally would recommend the Dell Inspiron B130 <==Not sure about model
[01:43] <ZombieLove> Heh, cute... I've never had or played with a Toshiba.
[01:43] <ZombieLove> I'll check out dell too
[01:44] <Minataku> I wouldn't recommend Dell ANYTHING unless I hated the person
[01:44] <underdog5004> I installed kubuntu on my gf's lappy...everything worked except wireless, but ndiswrapper got it working
[01:44] <ZombieLove> HA!
[01:44] <underdog5004> ZombieLove, I don't hate you.
[01:44] <ZombieLove> Isn't dell becoming a bigger player as of late?
[01:44] <ZombieLove> underdog: thanks, I don't hate you either
[01:44] <Minataku> ZombieLove: That's because people enjoy buying crap
[01:44] <ZombieLove> ... I don't enjoy crap
[01:44] <Minataku> Case in point: Dell
[01:45] <ZombieLove> infact, I'd go so far as do say I hate crap
[01:45] <underdog5004> yeah, dell desktops just suck...I work in a computer repair shop, and probably 50% of boxes in here are Dells
[01:45] <chickener> well i've heard of 10+ dell hard drives going in newish machines.  They replace but still..
[01:45] <Minataku> ZombieLove: I've got 4 Toshibas from 1987 to 2003
[01:45] <ZombieLove> How about lenovo? Anyone have one and running linux?
[01:46] <ZombieLove> I'm going to check out toshiba heavily...
[01:46] <ZombieLove> I've just never used them so I'm scared :(
[01:46] <Minataku> lol
[01:46] <Minataku> You'll never want to use another brand
[01:46] <stdin> Minataku: how responsive is that 19 year old one ?
[01:46] <Minataku> stdin: Quite
[01:46] <Minataku> Even the HDD still works perfectly
[01:47] <stdin> Minataku: nice, it's 1 year younger than me :)
[01:47] <Minataku> lol
[01:47] <Minataku> Toshiba T1200
[01:47] <underdog5004> lol, old stuff is much more reliable than new stuff...found an old 20 MB hdd in the barn...powered up and I was in dos...oh boy!
[01:47] <Minataku> Intel i80C86 @ 9.54MHz
[01:48] <Minataku> One of if not the first laptop with an HDD
[01:48] <underdog5004> Minataku, how big is the hdd?
[01:49] <Minataku> 20MB
[01:49] <K-Ryan> stdin I think it's broken
[01:49] <K-Ryan> I tried a different port, replugging the cables.
[01:49] <stdin> K-Ryan: it may just be the filesystem
[01:50] <K-Ryan> fat32?
[01:50] <K-Ryan> i thought it was compatible with linux
[01:50] <stdin> K-Ryan: I mean the filesystem may be corrupt, you could try and reformat it (and loose all your data)
[01:50] <K-Ryan> i cant format it
[01:51] <Minataku> *lose
[01:51] <K-Ryan> the filesystem was locked
[01:51] <stdin> Minataku: heh, yeah :)
[01:51] <underdog5004> K-Ryan, or you can boot w/ the windows XP install disc, hit R, then type in chkdsk /P to check the disk and fs for errors
[01:51] <Minataku> stdin: Sorry, I just cringe when I see errors like that XD
[01:52] <K-Ryan> loose is common, overly common
[01:52] <K-Ryan> but i mean, they don't even sound the same
[01:52] <K-Ryan> Hey, uhh, the sda1 folder is still there, even though it's not connected.
[01:53] <ZombieLove> Is there any good reason to have blue tooth on my laptop?
[01:53] <ZombieLove> I don't think I'd use it
[01:53] <K-Ryan> ZombieLove contact with other bluetooth devices
[01:53] <K-Ryan> That's it
[01:53] <underdog5004> ZombieLove, for syncing w/ your cell phone, for example
[01:53] <Minataku> Which is not that desireable
[01:53] <Minataku> I'd say leave it
[01:53] <ZombieLove> ... hrmm... it's a $35.00 option and I'm torn!! I hate purchasing tihngs!!
[01:53] <stdin> K-Ryan: what did you mean the filesystem is locked ?
[01:54] <K-Ryan> well when i wanted to make part of it ext3 for kubuntu from the live cd
[01:54] <K-Ryan> i couldnt
[01:54] <stdin> ZombieLove: if you don't have any bluetooth devices, then don't get it :P
[01:54] <K-Ryan> it showed a lock and i couldnt modify it
[01:54] <ZombieLove> stdin: but what if I get some?! I'd never forgive myself :S
[01:54] <K-Ryan> ZombieLove you can buy a USB Blue tooth thing
[01:54] <K-Ryan> I think they make 'em
[01:54] <ZombieLove> good piont
[01:55] <stdin> K-Ryan: it should work, unless it's mounted, which it isn't now. Just install gparted and reformat it
[01:55] <K-Ryan> gparted, package?
[01:55] <HymnToLife> !info gparted
[01:55] <ubotu> gparted: GNOME partition editor. In component main, is optional. Version 0.2.5-1.1ubuntu11 (edgy), package size 314 kB, installed size 1588 kB
[01:55] <stdin> K-Ryan: yeah, sudo apt-get install gaprted
[01:55] <K-Ryan> !kparted
[01:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kparted - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:55] <stdin> damn, typos again
[01:55] <K-Ryan> oh well, gnome still works
[01:56] <stdin> K-Ryan: gparted is less buggy then qtparted
[01:56] <K-Ryan> so much for backing up my entire HDD to install kubuntu =(
[01:56] <underdog5004> I love KDE, personally, but Xfce 4.4.0 was recently released!
[01:56] <underdog5004> That looks pretty good, too
[01:56] <K-Ryan> Is there anything that could go wrong formatting an external hard drive?
[01:56] <stdin> I like enlightenment, I use it when I'm not in KDE
[01:56] <K-Ryan> If it's a connection issue would the program tell me?
[01:57] <underdog5004> K-Ryan, uh, no, unless you somehow want to save data from it
[01:57] <K-Ryan> underdog5004 if i cant read any data by any means
[01:57] <K-Ryan> there is no data
[01:57] <underdog5004> stdin, I tried it, but I couldn't really get into it...
[01:57] <underdog5004> alright, I"m gettin' outta here...see y'all later
[01:58] <K-Ryan> yeah i think its corrupt
[01:58] <K-Ryan> I can't f'ing believe it
[01:59] <K-Ryan> Hey should I make 2 partitions, 1 ext3 and 1 ntfs?
[01:59] <stdin> right, I have to go, gotta be up early tomorrow
[01:59] <K-Ryan> or maybe one fat32?
[01:59] <K-Ryan> its 233GB mind you
[01:59] <LordOllie> is kubuntu man page deficient or is it just me?
[02:01] <LordOllie> !man
[02:01] <ubotu> The "man" command brings up the Linux manual pages for the command you're interested in. Try "man intro" at the command line, or see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[02:04] <crystal> what repository would have firestarter  or kmyfirewall ?
[02:04] <LjL> !firestarter
[02:04] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[02:04] <LjL> !kmyfirewall
[02:04] <ubotu> kmyfirewall: iptables based firewall configuration tool for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 1211 kB, installed size 4056 kB
[02:04] <LjL> !guarddog
[02:04] <ubotu> guarddog: firewall configuration utility for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.5.0-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 476 kB, installed size 1424 kB
[02:04] <LjL> !info firestarter
[02:04] <ubotu> firestarter: gtk program for managing and observing your firewall. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.3-1.2ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 383 kB, installed size 1884 kB
[02:05] <crystal> thanks
[02:05] <K-Ryan> i'd say spam, but...
[02:05] <LjL> sorry
[02:05] <ZombieLove> How about System 76 (http://www.system76.com)... Anyone have any experience with those guys? Are they a solid choice to buy a laptop from?
[02:06] <LjL> i'd say offtopic
[02:06] <K-Ryan> LjL I was only kidding =P
[02:06] <HymnToLife> !offtopic | ZombieLove
[02:06] <ubotu> ZombieLove: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:08] <Zuph> Hi everyone.  I just installed kubuntu, and I was wondering if there was a way to get gaim (or any IM program) to dock to the side like trillian, aim, et al. in windows.  IE, the window stays on top and doesn't allow other windows to maximise under it.
[02:08] <LjL> K-Ryan: it's ok, i could have used private messages anyway
[02:08] <K-Ryan> Really, I was just busting your chops.
[02:08] <ZombieLove> Sorry about the off topic. Thanks for your help. I'll use the proper channel.
[02:10] <K-Ryan> Not looking good for my external...
[02:11] <ted_> uhm
[02:11] <ted_> how to change the charset in Konversation to latin-1?
[02:12] <LjL> well my not being in a very good mood meant i got a bit on the upset side and wasn't nice to ZombieLove - the offtopic argument still stands, but i shouldn't have put it that way, sorry
[02:12] <LjL> ted_: hm, i'm afraid you'd have to change it a bit more globally
[02:13] <ZombieLove> LjL: No offense taken. Glad you pointed out I was in the wrong place.
[02:14] <ted_> LjL
[02:14] <ted_> uhm how do I do that?
[02:14] <HymnToLife> do what ?
[02:16] <LjL> ted_, actually, i don't know. if you type "locale", you will get a list of variables you can change, however i don't know what's the right place to set those variables to make them stick, and i also doubt changing them is a good idea
[02:16] <HymnToLife> long story short : switch to xchat :)
[02:18] <ted_> HymnToLife thx :D used that before, but couldnt remember the name
[02:18] <HymnToLife> and be happy because Ubuntu has the correct libs and will let you compile xchat 2.8
[02:19] <HymnToLife> unlike Debian, first sime I ever see a thing Ubuntu has and Debian hasn't
[02:19] <adamwest> hey
[02:19] <Alarm> i just did the latest update that was availably today for the adept_manager,  and now my fonts in the adept_manager (only) are really small , how can i change that ?
[02:20] <K-Ryan> !adeptfix
[02:20] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[02:21] <K-Ryan> path to sources.list anyone?
[02:21] <HymnToLife> /etc/apt/source.list
[02:21] <HymnToLife> sources*
[02:21] <K-Ryan> thx
[02:29] <K-Ryan> hey guys how would i add "http://packages.debian.org/stable/libs/libsdl1.2debian-all" to my repo list?
[02:29] <K-Ryan> i know the whole adept thing but what about distro and components
[02:30] <HymnToLife> this is a single package, not a repo
[02:30] <HymnToLife> and you don't want to run Debian packages in Ubuntu anyway
[02:30] <HymnToLife> (all the more as Ubuntu has the very same in it's repos)
[02:30] <K-Ryan> Well I need some packages to play a certain game
[02:30] <K-Ryan> sdl, sdl-image, sdl-mixer, sdl-devel, sdl-image-devel, sdl-mixer-devel
[02:31] <K-Ryan> How can I get them? Doesn't work with sudo apt-get
[02:31] <HymnToLife> all those exist in Ubuntu, too
[02:31] <HymnToLife> it definitely works with apt-get
[02:31] <HymnToLife> !info libsdl1.2debian-all
[02:31] <ubotu> libsdl1.2debian-all: Simple DirectMedia Layer (with all available options). In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.10-3ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 205 kB, installed size 504 kB
[02:32] <K-Ryan> yeah now it works >.>
[02:33] <K-Ryan> HymnToLife what are the names of all those packages
[02:33] <K-Ryan> because those dont work
[02:33] <Tonren> I'm trying to download a torrent with KTorrent.  It's going at average 12.1 KB/s, but I'm on a consumer cable modem and I know it can go tens of times faster.  I'm looking at my list of peers; ther eare several with 100% availability but I'm not downloading OR uploading to them.  They're not choked, they're not snubbed, and my ports are all forwarded.  Why aren't I downloading?
[02:34] <K-Ryan> Proram limit?
[02:34] <HymnToLife> K-Ryan, can't you just search for them in Adept ?
[02:34] <K-Ryan> *Program"
[02:34] <Tonren> K-Ryan: Was that directed to me?
[02:34] <K-Ryan> Yes Tonren
[02:34] <K-Ryan> As in are the settings correct for KTorrent
[02:34] <K-Ryan> HymnToLife I'll try...
[02:35] <Tonren> K-Ryan: Yes.  I have 0 upload & download limit.
[02:35] <HymnToLife> Tonren, you are downloading
[02:35] <HymnToLife> maybe your sources have a poor connection
[02:35] <Tonren> HymnToLife: Yes, but only on an average of 10KB/s.
[02:35] <Tonren> HymnToLife: Would that cause ZERO download speed, though?
[02:36] <hugo> how can I rerun the routine which does autoconfigure my VGA card on install? Not the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg stuff.
[02:36] <HymnToLife> Tonren, 10 kb/s is more than zero, so it works
[02:36] <HymnToLife> I don't think there's anything you can do about the speeed
[02:37] <Tonren> HymnToLife: No no, I mean my average total speed is 10 KB/s.  Certain peers give me zero.
[02:37] <HymnToLife> then I think there's something wrong on their side, not yours
[02:37] <user-land> What do you use when you want to make an archive from a folder in Konqueror ?
[02:37] <HymnToLife> given that yours seems to work
[02:38] <Tonren> Also, I don't have the documentation.  How do I get Ktorrent's docs?
[02:39] <chickener> Tonren:  have you opened the necessary ports for ktorrent?
[02:40] <K-Ryan> He said he forwarded all his ports
[02:40] <K-Ryan> Don't know if forwarded and opened are the same thing though
[02:40] <chickener> yes i had troubles at first
[02:40] <Tonren> chickener: Yes, they're all forwarded
[02:40] <Tonren> chickener: What do you mean by "opened"?
[02:40] <frojnd> how can I kill firefox
[02:40] <chickener> i had it forwarded on the modem/router
[02:40] <chickener> but needed to use iptables to open the port in ubuntu
[02:40] <K-Ryan> frojnd: kill?
[02:40] <frojnd> killall firefox wouldnt work
[02:41] <Tonren> chickener: Weird.  How do you do that?  Is there a gui way?  How do I know if they're open?
[02:41] <foxbunny> I keep failing to set up XGL as per wiki directions... is there something not right in the wiki page?
[02:42] <user-land> There is an Ark plugin for Konqueror, but where can i find the correct version for Edgy ?
[02:43] <frojnd> someone how can I kill firefoxes all procesess
[02:43] <foxbunny> frojnd: doesn't killall help?
[02:44] <frojnd> no
[02:44] <foxbunny> hmm
[02:44] <frojnd> no process killed
[02:44] <malik> may sudo killall
[02:44] <sleepy745> how do I make kiba-dock startup on install?
[02:44] <foxbunny> how many are there listed?
[02:44] <malik> or u can kill it with runaway process catcher?
[02:44] <Tonren> sleepy745: you mean start on startup?
[02:45] <sleepy745> yes
[02:45] <frojnd> malik: nothing
[02:45] <foxbunny> frojnd: I think killall can issue specific signals to process IDs rather than names... try that
[02:45] <Tonren> chickener: Can you help me out, man?
[02:45] <foxbunny> frojnd: SIGTERM to all PIDs that are relevant...
[02:46] <foxbunny> frojnd: or SIGKILL... I forget
[02:47] <chickener> http://azureuswiki.com/index.php/NAT_problem#Port_Forwarding_on_Linux.2C_specifically_Ubuntu
[02:47] <Murrlin> "yipes!" my sound disappeared. help?
[02:47] <frojnd> foxbunny: sigkill firefox?
[02:47] <chickener> this fixed my issue
[02:47] <Murrlin> getting a "couldnt open audio" popup
[02:48] <chickener> along with portforward.com
[02:48] <foxbunny> frojnd: nope... wait a sec
[02:48] <foxbunny> frojnd: try this: ps ax | grep firefox
[02:49] <foxbunny> frojnd: write down PID numbers for all firefox-related stuff
[02:49] <malik> use KTorrents its much better n faster than azureus
[02:49] <frojnd>  6382 ?        Sl   111:27 /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin
[02:49] <frojnd>  9527 pts/1    S+     0:00 grep firefox
[02:49] <frojnd> thats it
[02:50] <foxbunny> frojnd: issue kill -s TERM 6382
[02:51] <frojnd> foxbunny: thx :)
[02:51] <foxbunny> frojnd: worked?
[02:51] <frojnd> zep
[02:51] <frojnd> yep
[02:52] <foxbunny> frojnd: you could have also used killall
[02:52] <foxbunny> but you needed to match the longish /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin
[02:52] <foxbunny> not firefox
[02:52] <foxbunny> kill is just that bit more intuitive
[02:52] <foxbunny> hehe
[02:53] <foxbunny> kill -s TERM Windows... for example
[02:53] <Tonren> What are ktorrent's "upload slots"?
[02:53] <Tonren> Also, again, how do I get Ktorrents' docs?  When I go to KTorrent Handbook it says "There are no documents for ktorrent"
[02:53] <malik> is there any way of turning FF from repos into a file browser as well?
[02:55] <endo602> how do i make knoqueror open up full screen?
[02:56] <Theory> as in start maximised?
[02:56] <endo602> yes
[02:56] <Theory> always, or only for file browsing/web browsing?
[02:56] <endo602> web browsing
[02:57] <malik> is there any way of turning FF from repos into a file browser as well?
[02:57] <Theory> endo602: load it up, click maximize, click settings->save view profile
[02:57] <Theory> tick "Save window size in profile"
[02:57] <Theory> then click save
[02:58] <endo602> nice
[02:58] <endo602> thanks
[02:59] <malik> is there any way that i can use FF as file browser too?
[02:59] <adamwest> lol
[03:00] <adamwest> that's for FF itself to build... i think so. it's not like konquerer or IE
[03:00] <foxbunny> are there any general Linux IRC channels?
[03:00] <malik> i take that as no
[03:00] <InuDuelist> Hey, are the rest of you guys having Kubuntu use up almost 600MB of RAM?
[03:01] <HymnToLife> InuDuelist, that's normal
[03:01] <foxbunny> InuDuelist: I don't have that much RAM. :)
[03:01] <malik> yes it has used nearly all of my 1 GB ddr ram
[03:01] <HymnToLife> in *NIX, unused RAM is wasted RAM
[03:01] <HymnToLife> so it uses as much RAM as it can
[03:01] <InuDuelist> HymnToLife: Well, it's a problem when I can't open any more programs.
[03:02] <foxbunny> InuDuelist: some of it is cached data... not actually used by apps
[03:02] <HymnToLife> InuDuelist, are you sure you can't ?
[03:02] <InuDuelist> Yep.
[03:03] <foxbunny> InuDuelist: I had a prob with RAM shortage (another distro) when digiKam ate up all my RAM, then filled up the swap... I couldn't move my mouse, let alone start new apps...
[03:03] <foxbunny> InuDuelist: my current physical memmory usage is about 200 MB
[03:04] <malik> fedora 5 and 6 are very good with RAMbut i dont think they have this good community support IRC channel
[03:04] <foxbunny> malik: most of them don't ;)
[03:04] <juano__> would anyone know why in windows my pc will vanish from my network places and from ubuntu it works fine, they wont vanish?
[03:05] <malik> foxbunny: most of whome?........other distros?
[03:05] <malik> whom*
[03:05] <foxbunny> malik: exactly
[03:05] <malik> aaaaaaaaah
[03:05] <foxbunny> malik: tech support generally depends on two things
[03:05] <foxbunny> malik: geekness of the community and
[03:06] <foxbunny> malik: the question
[03:06] <malik> well atm i love kubuntu better than other distros, fedora was my first love so it still brings back good memory coz it was very stable once setup
[03:07] <sleepy745> how do you make the kiba-dock panel transparent?
[03:07] <foxbunny> frojnd: I just remembered something
[03:07] <malik> although i tried Gnome on it .....now i thinkl cud have tried kde too
[03:07] <frojnd> anything useful?
[03:07] <foxbunny> frojnd: you could have also used KDE System Guard... much easier for novices
[03:08] <foxbunny> frojnd: it's the KSysGuard item in the System menu
[03:08] <frojnd> k
[03:08] <Tox> how to make back the filter windows on adept manager
[03:08] <foxbunny> frojnd: it has  process table tab that lists all the processes and has a search facility... you can, of course, kill them at your own lesure
[03:09] <Jucato> the process table can be brought up with Ctrl+Esc
[03:10] <foxbunny> Jucato: yeah, I was about to mention that... I changed the bindings to CTRL+Alt+Del
[03:10] <Jucato> :)
[03:10] <foxbunny> Jucato: I got used to hitting that back in Windows days :p
[03:11] <Jucato> hah! after a year of using Kubuntu, I begin to press Ctrl+Esc on XP...
[03:12] <foxbunny> Jucato: hehe,,, and I occasionally press Shift+F1 at work. :)
[03:12] <foxbunny> no menu, tho
[03:12] <Jucato> that's Alt+F1 by default
[03:12] <Jucato> :)
[03:12] <foxbunny> Jucato: ah, yeah... I forgot...
[03:12] <foxbunny> Jucato: pressing the keys seems so automatic at times. :p
[03:13] <Jucato> heh :)
[03:15] <rich443> !pastebin
[03:15] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:15] <malik> foxbunny: any idea how to turn FF into a file browser like konqi?
[03:15] <Jucato> malik: file browser, yes. file manager, no.
[03:15] <foxbunny> malik: FireFox?
[03:16] <Jucato> that feature just isn't possible in Firefox, which is a web browser only
[03:16] <malik> yes
[03:16] <foxbunny> malik: why not just use Konqueror?
[03:16] <malik> konqi doesnt play videos from msn.com at all
[03:16] <Jucato> then use firefox for web browsing, but use a file manager for file management...
[03:16] <malik> so i have to open two windows all the time
[03:17] <Jucato> Firefox itself (without any extension) can't do anything that doesn't involve web browsing
[03:17] <rich443> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2592/
[03:17] <foxbunny> malik: if I may recommend using Krusader for file management...
[03:18] <rich443> I get this error when starting kiba-dock
[03:18] <malik> :( thats what i am doin at the moment but apparently there is an ext called firefly which turns it into a file manager but its not workin on my mechine
[03:18] <rich443> and when I close the konsole window kiba goes away
[03:18] <foxbunny> malik: I'm checking mozilla.org for such extensions... stand by
[03:18] <InuDuelist> OK, I'm back. What's the situation on letting me open programs again?
[03:18] <Jucato> rich443: don't start it from Konsole
[03:18] <Jucato> rich443: or if you start it from Konsole, add a & at the end
[03:19] <nzk> Hey, I need to burn 5.8gb onto CDs
[03:19] <rich443> I should type it in run then?
[03:19] <Jucato> rich443: those errors are harmless btw
[03:19] <nzk> Is there a program that can burn them to one cd, then ask for another cd, and so on?
[03:19] <rich443> do I type kiba-dock in Run?
[03:20] <Jucato> rich443: yes. or type "kiba-dock &" in Konsole
[03:20] <foxbunny> InuDuelist: so what is using so much RAM anyway?
[03:20] <InuDuelist> Dunno.
[03:21] <Jucato> rich443: what basically happens is that when you normally run an app in Konsole, it will be tied to that particular session. so when you close that session/Konsole, it closes the app
[03:21] <foxbunny> InuDuelist: come to think of it, I still haven't learned how to check that... :p
[03:21] <rich443> how do I make the kiba panel transparent?
[03:21] <Jucato> that I don't know...
[03:22] <Jucato> KSysGuard/ProcessTable isn't really a good way to see what is using much RAM... top is still more accurate, they say
[03:22] <rich443> thanks jucato :)
[03:23] <InuDuelist> What's "Xorg"?
[03:24] <Jucato> !xorg
[03:24] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:24] <foxbunny> !mem
[03:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mem - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:24] <Jucato> :P
[03:24] <Jucato> !ram
[03:24] <InuDuelist> Oh.
[03:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ram - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:24] <Jucato> bah
[03:24] <Jucato> !memory
[03:24] <ubotu> A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management
[03:25] <Jucato> there
[03:25] <foxbunny> Jucato: try issuing apropos memmory
[03:25] <foxbunny> Jucato: nice find
[03:25] <Jucato> foxbunny: apropos doesn't work with the bot :P
[03:25] <LjL> !ram is <alias> memory
[03:25] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[03:25] <foxbunny> Jucato: works in the Konsole, tho
[03:26] <Jucato> nice LjL :)
[03:26] <foxbunny> although one may argue that ram in lower-case is a domestic animal... :)
[03:27] <Jucato> heh
[03:28] <juano__> would anyone know why in windows my pc will vanish from my network places and from ubuntu it works fine, they wont vanish?
[03:29] <malik> may be windows cant see linux pc
[03:29] <foxbunny> InuDuelist: try top
[03:29] <raef55> why does google earth react so slowly to mouse in ubuntu
[03:29] <foxbunny> !top @ InuDuelist
[03:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about top @ InuDuelist - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:29] <foxbunny> !top
[03:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about top - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:30] <foxbunny> InuDuelist: anyway, Konsole > top
[03:30] <slyfox> Does anyone know hoe to modify Firefox GUI font size? The default size is small. I want the menu and everything in firefox to be bigger. Please help.
[03:32] <Jucato> slyfox: Try chaging the font size in System Settings -> Appearance -> GTK Styles and Fonts
[03:33] <juano__> would anyone know why in windows my pc will vanish from my network places and from ubuntu it works fine, they wont vanish?
[03:34] <ubuntico> That's because you with common software you can read windows partitions from linux but no viceversa
[03:35] <slyfox> Jucato: waht is GTK anyway ?>
[03:35] <InuDuelist> OK, so the RAM is still there for further use, but why can't I open programs (i.e. Amarok and FrostWire)?
[03:35] <Jucato> slyfox: it is the toolkit used by GNOME and Firefox
[03:35] <malik> !seamonkey
[03:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seamonkey - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:36] <Jucato> toolkit = draws the appearance of widgets like buttons, scrollbars, menus, dialog boxes, etc
[03:36] <slyfox> Jucato: It worked. Thank you !
[03:38] <Minataku> InuDuelist: Try to open something from a terminal if possible
[03:39] <Minataku> Usually if you were actually out of memory things would start falling apart when the OOM kicked in
[03:45] <foxbunny> InuDuelist: VmRss header in the process table seems to be show how much memory is being consumed... I'm talking to a guy at #kde...
[03:45] <Jucato> foxbunny: funny... a KDE dev and the maintainer of ksysguard seem to say differently
[03:46] <JohnFlux> neiw
[03:46] <foxbunny> Jucato: for real?
[03:46] <JohnFlux> meow rather
[03:46] <JohnFlux> stupid hairball
[03:46] <Jucato> lol
[03:46] <Minataku> lol
[03:46] <Jucato> foxbunny: meet JohnFlux, the great maintainer of KSysGuard
[03:46] <foxbunny> Jucato: anyway, I think top is displaying real-tim memory usage stats
[03:46] <Minataku> "Nyao" or "Nyo" for a Japanese cat
[03:46] <JohnFlux> foxbunny: yeah, i'm the maintainer
[03:46] <Jucato> I'm sure he knows what VmRss means :)
[03:47] <JohnFlux> it means nothing :P
[03:47] <foxbunny> JohnFlux: it's an honour!
[03:47] <Minataku> Has anyone tried just telling him to type "free" in a terminal?
[03:47] <foxbunny> :D
[03:47] <Jucato> Minataku: he wants to know per application usage :)
[03:47] <Minataku> Ah
[03:47] <foxbunny> JohnFlux: I actually came to think exactly that
[03:48] <foxbunny> JohnFlux: what does "VmRss The total amount of physical memory used by the process (in kBytes)" mean?
[03:48] <JohnFlux> VmRss  is the amount of physical memory it uses. it includes itself and shared libraries
[03:48] <foxbunny> actually
[03:48] <NotWired> is there any way to force all of kubuntu-desktop and it's dependencies to reinstall?
[03:48] <foxbunny> but is it real-time?
[03:49] <JohnFlux> well it updates every second or so
[03:49] <foxbunny> ah.... well... I had this situation a while ago...
[03:50] <foxbunny> when some KIO digikam thumbnail thingy started to go wild
[03:50] <Jucato> the problem is that it includes shared libraries too...
[03:50] <foxbunny> and VmRss for it was not too high
[03:50] <Jucato> but usually it gives you a good idea of what's hogging the system :)
[03:50] <foxbunny> but the memory got filled up
[03:50] <JohnFlux> foxbunny: I'll give you a quick example
[03:50] <foxbunny> and swap too
[03:50] <foxbunny> JohnFlux: ok
[03:50] <Jucato> so for example if you have a process with 1,200,000+ VmRss...
[03:50] <JohnFlux> In kde3, ksysguard says katapult (neat kde app) uses 100MB shared
[03:51] <JohnFlux> i mean virtual size sorry
[03:51] <JohnFlux> so katapult is 100MB virtual size
[03:51] <JohnFlux> 23MB VmRSS
[03:51] <JohnFlux> however in kde4 where i calculate more accurately now
[03:51] <InuDuelist> Firecrotch, that's a perfect name.
[03:51] <JohnFlux> it gives the memory usuage (for the same process) as 5.6MB
[03:52] <firecrotch> Heh, thanks :)
[03:52] <foxbunny> JohnFlux: what is 'virtual' in 'virtual size'
[03:52] <JohnFlux> and 16.8MB is shared memory
[03:52] <Minataku> lol
[03:52] <Minataku> No offense to JohnFlux but... top didn't work here?
[03:52] <JohnFlux> foxbunny: the app sees it as memory, but it can be anything from memory, to a file on disk, to video card
[03:52] <Minataku> I saw it suggested
[03:52] <JohnFlux> Minataku: top is wrong
[03:52] <Minataku> lol
[03:52] <JohnFlux> no seriously, it's just outright wrong
[03:53] <foxbunny> JohnFlux: wrong as in technically wrong? or as in not practical?
[03:53] <Jucato> http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/analysis.html
[03:53] <JohnFlux> the kernel documentation isn't all that clear how to interpret the fields
[03:53] <JohnFlux> Jucato: thanks
[03:53] <JohnFlux> foxbunny: seli explains it better than I can
[03:54] <Jucato> JohnFlux: I'm presuming you and Lunak agree on the same thing :)
[03:54] <Minataku> Hm, no offense (again) but I have a hard time believing that
[03:54] <foxbunny> JohnFlux: k, I'll take a look
[03:54] <JohnFlux> Minataku: read seli's post
[03:54] <JohnFlux> anyway, the point is that the only meaningful information is   a) the physical memory an app uses by itself
[03:54] <Minataku> Of course I'd imagine KDE devs would know a lot about memory since they use so much of it
[03:55] <Minataku> *zing*
[03:55] <JohnFlux> b) the physical memory shared among all kde apps
[03:55] <Jucato> Minataku: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[03:55] <JohnFlux> Minataku: actually that's one of the big problems
[03:55] <JohnFlux> heh, Jucato beats me again
[03:55] <JohnFlux> Minataku: because top etc report misleading info, kde looks on the surface to use a lot of memory
[03:55] <Jucato> JohnFlux: lol! I had it opened ever since foxbunny started asking about memory questions :)
[03:55] <Minataku> Yeah, if that says KDE uses less RAM than anything else, then I _really_ don't believe you
[03:56] <JohnFlux> top will tell you katapult is using 23MB of memory, yet in reality it uses only 5MB
[03:56] <Minataku> Which actually DOES use an inconsequential amount of RAM
[03:56] <JohnFlux> Minataku: now load up an email client and web browser
[03:56] <JohnFlux> Minataku: and compare to kde with konqueror and kmail
[03:56] <foxbunny> JohnFlux: actually, top says KSysGuard is using most memory... :)
[03:57] <Minataku> Konq is preloaded, preloading is a Windows tactic >:|
[03:57] <InuDuelist> Pop quiz: Apt-Get entry for java. GOGOG
[03:57] <Minataku> Of course it looks like Konq uses almost nothing, it's already running when you start KDE
[03:57] <JohnFlux> foxbunny: yep
[03:57] <JohnFlux> foxbunny: It says 20MB for ksysguard
[03:57] <JohnFlux> foxbunny: and yet in reality it's only 5.4MB
[03:58] <Jucato> InuDuelist: sun-java5-bin
[03:58] <InuDuelist> Thanks, Juc'.
[03:58] <JohnFlux> foxbunny: ksysguard in kde4 reports this more accurately
[03:58] <Jucato> !java > InuDuelist
[03:58] <Minataku> Pipe, not Greater Than
[03:58] <foxbunny> JohnFlux: I'm looking forward to KDE4... :D
[03:58] <Minataku> !java | InuDuelist
[03:58] <ubotu> InuDuelist: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[03:58] <JohnFlux> foxbunny:  ;-)
[03:59] <foxbunny> JohnFlux: so, is there any accurate way of finding out how much memory is used by what?
[03:59] <JohnFlux> generally.. run 'free', then run the app, then run 'free' again
[03:59] <foxbunny> JohnFlux: I mean for mortals, that is
[03:59] <JohnFlux> and see what the difference is
[03:59] <Jucato> lol
[03:59] <Jucato> crude, but probably more effective/accurate
[04:00] <foxbunny> aw... but what if the apps is already running...?
[04:00] <foxbunny> and I need to monitor it?
[04:00] <JohnFlux> foxbunny: close it :P
[04:00] <Jucato> foxbunny: then close the app :)
[04:00] <phobiac> Why is it that the .iso for kubuntu is 4.9 Gigabytes while the Ubuntu iso is only around 700 Megabytes?
[04:00] <Minataku> Run free, kill it run free again
[04:00] <Minataku> lol
[04:00] <Jucato> free -> close app -> free -> compute
[04:00] <JohnFlux> ;-)
[04:00] <JohnFlux> foxbunny: search for   'meminfo'
[04:00] <Minataku> Though that's also not as straightforward as it seems
[04:00] <foxbunny> !meminfo
[04:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about meminfo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:01] <Minataku> Since you need to consider both physical and swap
[04:01] <JohnFlux> I think gnome task manager also gives pretty good numbers
[04:01] <Jucato> foxbunny: not from the bot :P
[04:01] <Minataku> I assume you mean /proc/meminfo
[04:01] <Minataku> Which will only confuse the poor guy even more
[04:01] <foxbunny> Jucato: I had to try.... I had to :(
[04:01] <Jucato> if he's interested, he'll learn :)
[04:02] <intelikey>  Mem usage: 16.1/249.2 MB (6%)
[04:02] <Minataku> Keep in mind, I suggest KDE to newcomers to Linux, but myself I prefer a much smaller, no-frills-whatsoever WM
[04:02] <intelikey> and xorg is running.
[04:02] <foxbunny> Jucato: I'm interested... aw you guys... I really like this kind of conversations... but I have to sleep now.. It's 4am and I've got to go to work at 10... :(
[04:02] <Jucato> sleep is overrated...
[04:02] <Jucato> :P
[04:02] <Minataku> I want a WM that manages windows and stays out of the way
[04:02] <JohnFlux> :-)
[04:03] <Minataku> But then that's what Linux is about, freedom
[04:03] <Minataku> Including freedom to choose
[04:03] <foxbunny> Jucato: I thought like that until I fainted one day...
[04:03] <JohnFlux> Minataku: you can run whatever WM you want with kde you know
[04:03] <Jucato> humans... so weak
[04:03] <foxbunny> Jucato: my wife was scared to death
[04:03] <Jucato> lol
[04:03] <Minataku> Just... don't make KDE4 into a Vista clone... I don't want to look at a Linux box running KDE4 and puke
[04:03] <foxbunny> lol
[04:03] <Jucato> as long as the WM is fd.o compliant :)
[04:03] <foxbunny> Minataku: why not?
[04:03] <Minataku> JohnFlux: The whole point is I'd rather not have any KDE overhead
[04:04] <foxbunny> Minataku: use WMI then. :)
[04:04] <Jucato> KDE never was, never will be, a clone of anything :)
[04:04] <rich543> how do you open a .skz file from superkaramba
[04:04] <rich543> when I download .skz it says it might be corrupted if saved
[04:04] <Minataku> lol, you can't look at Windows then at KDE and tell me there's not an obvious similarity
[04:04] <foxbunny> thanks guys... I'm gone!
[04:05] <Minataku> Besides the fact that KDE is 1000x better, of course
[04:05] <Jucato> Thank you JohnFlux for dropping by and gracing us with your presence, knowledge, and cat-humor :)
[04:05] <Minataku> lol
[04:05] <Minataku> He's not leaving yet, I'm not done with this catfight
[04:05] <Minataku> XD
[04:06] <Minataku> That's my sthitck, I just haven't started it here yet
[04:06] <Minataku> lol
[04:06] <rich543> how do I deal with .skz files? I can't install liquid weather in superkaramba
[04:06] <NotWired> is there any way to force all of kubuntu-desktop and it's dependencies to reinstall?
[04:07] <Minataku> Don't get me wrong, KDE is great, it's just not my cup of tea is all
[04:07] <Minataku> Now GNOME, you don't want to know what I think of GNOME
[04:07] <Minataku> Not that I could say it in here without getting reprimanded anyway
[04:07] <Minataku> ;3
[04:07] <intelikey> NotWired all ?
[04:07] <NotWired> yes intelikey, i messed something up but don't know how bad it is
[04:07] <NotWired> it'd prefer the all route
[04:08] <humbolto> how do I start the VGA autodetect routine by hand which is executed on the installer cd usually. I did the installation on a system which had a different VGA card.
[04:08] <intelikey> apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install `dpkg -l | cut -d' ' -f3`
[04:08] <JohnFlux> Minataku: Jucato gnight ;-)
[04:08] <NotWired> thanks intelikey!
[04:08] <Jucato> JohnFlux: good night! :)
[04:08] <Minataku> Night, JohnFlux
[04:09] <Minataku> Hope I didn't upset you at all
[04:09] <Minataku> And sorry if I did X3
[04:09] <linux_galore> humbolto: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:10] <linux_galore> humbolto:  sorry   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:10] <intelikey> and asnwer all the questions correctly ^
[04:11] <Minataku> Say... is there a Kubuntu for SPARC? :3
[04:11] <humbolto> linux_galore: but this is not autodetect. it does ask ME for the vga board installed!
[04:11] <humbolto> I want to rerun the autodetection
[04:11] <Minataku> humbolto: Slow down
[04:11] <Minataku> Install whatever gives you lspci
[04:11] <Minataku> Then run that
[04:11] <Minataku> lol
[04:11] <Minataku> !pcitools
[04:11] <linux_galore> humbolto: that does autodetect just hit enter
[04:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pcitools - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:12] <Minataku> !lspci
[04:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lspci - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:12] <Minataku> :\
[04:12] <intelikey> !lshw
[04:12] <ubotu> lshw: information about hardware configuration. In component main, is standard. Version 02.06-3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 266 kB, installed size 676 kB
[04:12] <Minataku> There ya go
[04:13] <humbolto> I know what card is installed but not which driver to use for it, since there isn't an exact driver for the chip.
[04:13] <humbolto> I know lspci
[04:13] <linux_galore> humbolto: whats the card
[04:13] <Minataku> Oh, then use the generic selection in the config
[04:43] (Minataku/#kubuntu) Jucato: Why? Is using Linux illegal if you're under 18?
[04:43] (intelikey/#kubuntu) either or both.
[04:44] (Minataku/#kubuntu) Also keep in mind that such is not universal
[04:44] <linux_galore> F***kbuntu
 Besides, anyone actually asking about Kubuntu is more than likely going to be old enough to know what pornography is
[04:44] <Minataku> It's 18 in the USA but differs outside it's borders
[04:44] <chickener> well it depends on the state i the usa actually.  legal age can be 21.
[04:44] <adamwest> i tried to install a theme but i tgave me an error at the end ---> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[04:44] <Minataku> chickener: Nationwide legal age is 18
[04:44] <Minataku> Individual states are either that or lower
[04:44] <chickener> Minataku:  the Bible Belt disagrees.
[04:45] <Minataku> chickener: That's where I fear Jucato's standards are from
[04:45] <Jucato> the point is, even if we presume anyone using Kubuntu would know what it is, it doesn't become an excuse to allow such talk to go on further
[04:45] <Jucato> Minataku: my standards are the Ubuntu IRC standards
[04:45] <Minataku> Which is why I said it's okay to keep things clean but there's a point where you're overboard
[04:45] <NDPowerBook> Wait what?
[04:45] <NDPowerBook> There's an age limit for using Kubuntu?
[04:45] <chickener> i can name multiple places in the SE USA where porn/alcohol are not sold county wide.
[04:45] <InuDuelist> Yes!
[04:45] <Tonren> NDPowerBook: Not that I know of.
[04:46] <InuDuelist> Gawd, finally!
[04:46] <linux_galore> NDPowerBook: no, a brain cell limit  heh
[04:46] <InuDuelist> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=305337
[04:46] <InuDuelist> Lol, forum threads.
[04:46] <chickener> InuDuelist: what worked?
[04:46] <InuDuelist> Could someone hook up ubotu with !frostwire?
[04:46] <InuDuelist> With an address to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=305337?
[04:46] <Minataku> Jucato: There's also a difference between talking about the concept of pornography and actually disseminating such, the latter of which WOULD be unacceptable
[04:46] <Minataku> lol
[04:46] <InuDuelist> Minus the question mark at the end?
[04:46] <adamwest> guys, i tried to install a theme but i tgave me an error at the end ---> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check?
[04:46] <Minataku> adamwest: That's a scary one
[04:47] <intelikey> InuDuelist say !frostwire is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=305337?
[04:47] <NDPowerBook> www.ageofconsent.com
[04:47] <chickener> adamwest: which theme?
[04:47] <adamwest> ? why is that minataku
[04:47] <adamwest> Alphacube-0.3
[04:47] <InuDuelist> What, intelikey?
[04:47] <Minataku> adamwest: It indicates that something could be seriously wrong with your system
[04:47] <adamwest> INTELIKEY hi :P
[04:47] <InuDuelist> Hey, it's adamwest.
[04:47] <Jucato> adamwest: you have build-essential installed already, right?
[04:47] <intelikey> InuDuelist that will put in an infonode change request
[04:48] <Jucato> adamwest: and kde-devel (and probably xorg-dev) too
[04:48] <adamwest> .. which means?
[04:48] <intelikey> adamwest install build-essential
[04:48] <adamwest> well i don't have kde-devel installed
[04:48] <InuDuelist> So, like "!frostwire is A guide to install frostwire could be found here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=305337 "?
[04:48] <Jucato> adamwest: which means you need to install the compiler in order to compile, and you need to install the necessary headers too
[04:48] <intelikey> InuDuelist yes
[04:49] <adamwest> so i need kde-devel, xorg-dev and build-essential?
[04:49] <intelikey> yep
[04:49] <Minataku> I wish I had actually bought stuff at the oriental store...
[04:49] <InuDuelist> !frostwire is A guide to installing FrostWire can be found here. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=305337
[04:49] <Jucato> adamwest: build-essential and kde-devel. not so sure about xorg-dev
[04:49] <adamwest> how come they're not there already if it's such a big deal
[04:49] <InuDuelist> That didn't do anything.
[04:49] <Minataku> I'm jonesing for some Japanese snacks right now :\
[04:49] <InuDuelist> Oh, nevermind.
[04:49] <InuDuelist> Yes it did.
[04:49] <Jucato> hm...
[04:49] <intelikey> InuDuelist check your pm's
[04:50] <Minataku> lol
[04:50] <adamwest> omg kde-devel comes with lots of stuff
[04:51] <Jucato> adamwest: hm... wait...
[04:51] <intelikey> adamwest size is the reason.   the install cd has only so much room
[04:51] <adamwest> oh
[04:51] <adamwest> well lucky i have extra room in my partition now! :P
[04:51] <Jucato> you can probably get away with just installing kdelibs4-dev only
[04:52] <Jucato> adamwest: # of packages doesn't mean big size
[04:52] <adamwest> nm i'm installing that already
[04:52] <intelikey> if that was luck that did it last night then yeah  lucky you.
[04:52] <adamwest> :)
[04:52] <Rob-West> i need some help
[04:53] <northWest> what do you need ?
[04:53] <Rob-West> the GUI nessed up
[04:53] <Rob-West> and i dont wanna reinstall
[04:53] <Rob-West> can someone help me fix it
[04:53] <Jucato> how is it messed up
[04:53] <northWest> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:54] <Rob-West> thanks northWest
[04:54] <northWest> answer all the questions correctly
[04:54] <Rob-West> i will
[04:55] <northWest> Jucato you think i assumed too much there ?
[04:55] <Jucato> northWest: not really sure, as he didn't say what was wrong...
[04:55] <northWest> i know....
[04:55] <Minataku> You gotta remember where these people came from
[04:56] <Minataku> Windows just says "WRONG" and stops working
[04:56] <northWest> from the south east ?
[04:56] <Minataku> They don't realize that Linux actually TELLS YOU what's wrong
[04:57] <Rob-West> ok now to reboot
[04:57] <Minataku> That's another thing they don't realize
[04:57] <intelikey> yep
[04:57] <Minataku> Unless it's a new kernel there's no rebooting
[04:57] <Minataku> lol
[04:58] <Jucato> Ctrl+Alt+Backspace is soo convenient
[04:58] <Minataku> And as soon as kexec matures enough, even that will be done with
[04:58] <Minataku> lol
[04:58] <intelikey> well if X was broken  then  Ctrl+Alt+Backspace  probably wouldn't do anything
[04:58] <Minataku> What you'd have to do is restart kdm
[04:59] <intelikey> it all depends on what 'broken' meant
[04:59] <Minataku> Usually kdm will fail and then no X at all
[04:59] <Minataku> After that as root just execute kdm
[04:59] <Minataku> If all is well it'll be back to normal
[04:59] <Jucato> which is what I was asking... what he meant by messed up
[04:59] <intelikey> i prefer startx for testing the gui  then restart kdm if it works
[04:59] <Minataku> Indeed, but again, a recent escapee from Windows Island
[05:00] <juano__> i have an ubuntu going through an ICS from windows XP, after 30 minutes or so workgroup is no longer browseable by icons, i have to type the hosts names to access shares
[05:00] <juano__> why am i having this problem?
[05:00] <Minataku> They don't know the outside world like we do, they've never been there before
[05:00] <Minataku> lol
[05:00] <Minataku> Crap... Piyoko's clock has drifted too far back again >.<
[05:00] <mase> what kind of video plugin can i get for mozilla firefox?
[05:00] <Minataku> I'll fix it after I take my pills
[05:02] <intelikey> mase apt-cache search firefox | grep plug
[05:03] <mase> intelikey,
[05:03] <mase> i got the vlc one
[05:03] <mase> but everytime i try to open a mpeg
[05:03] <mase> it says no video
[05:03] <Rob-West> its fixed thanks
[05:03] <intelikey> ok   yw
[05:03] <Rob-West> its all fixed
[05:04] <slyfox> Is there some kind of application that will work like in Apple Tiger - Quick Lunch Dock on desktop ?
[05:04] <Jucato> kxdocker, ksmoothdock, kiba-dock
[05:05] <slyfox> Jucato: :-) Which one ?
[05:05] <Jucato> you choose...
[05:05] <intelikey> Rob-West ffr when something is not working and you come to ask for help   try to be as specific discriptive and breef as possable     i kinda toke a shot in the dark on what you meant by 'messed up'   :)
[05:05] <intelikey> took   even
[05:05] <inteliwasp> what is a nice way to erase a hard drive? ie: zero it out?
[05:06] <intelikey> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda      or hd1 for a partition
[05:07] <inteliwasp> could i use /dev/random as well?
[05:07] <intelikey> inteliwasp yes and cat can do it too    cat /dev/zero > /dev/device
[05:07] <intelikey> dd is prefered.
[05:07] <inteliwasp> thanks
[05:08] <intelikey> what you write to it is your choice
[05:08] <inteliwasp> i need this because i have a bum drive and i will be RMAing it
[05:08] <intelikey> but be advised that urandom might actually put bad code on the disk.
[05:09] <Minataku> Well
[05:09] <Minataku> If it has ubersensitive dara
[05:09] <Minataku> *data
[05:09] <Minataku> Use urandom and do at least 10 passes
[05:09] <Minataku> Then hit it with one pass of /dev/zero
[05:09] <intelikey> there are certen bits of code that at the right place will generate  i/o errors.        so if you use urandom  i'd finish with zero for good measure.
[05:09] <inteliwasp> er... i am not that paranoid... :P
[05:10] <Minataku> In that case, use a rescue-modified dd
[05:10] <Minataku> That will ignore errors
[05:10] <Tonren> I'm trying to download this torrent: http://tinyurl.com/3b2f98 with ktorrent.  Encryption is on, my ports are all forwarded (I'm behind a router on a cable modem), but the torrent just sits there, stalled.  Absolutely nothing happens.
[05:11] <inteliwasp> rescue modified?
[05:11] <Minataku> inteliwasp: There are versions of dd that are intended for rescue operations
[05:11] <inteliwasp> oh
[05:11] <Minataku> They'll ignore things like read errors
[05:11] <intelikey> i have seen this two times   where actual written data makes future disk i/o error at that point   in both cases writing zero to the disk permanantly fixed it.
[05:11] <juano__> i have an ubuntu going through an ICS from windows XP, after 30 minutes or so workgroup is no longer browseable by icons, i have to type the hosts names to access shares
[05:11] <juano__> why am i having this problem?
[05:12] <inteliwasp> a freindly note to all, don't buy maxtor drives...
[05:12] <Minataku> Never had a problem with Maxtor
[05:12] <intelikey> in this box with 8 drives
[05:12] <Minataku> Had one Western Digital that died after being idle for a year or two
[05:12] <Minataku> Click of death
[05:13] <intelikey> has 2 wd's in it too
[05:13] <intelikey> rest are sg's
[05:13] <inteliwasp> huh... i have a WD drive for over 7 years and abused it (portable HDD) and it still runs great
[05:14] <intelikey> juano__ we are not ignoring you.  just don't have the answer.
[05:14] <juano__> intelikey: ok :-)
[05:15] <intelikey> juano__ you can ask in #ubuntu  and  ##linux   and ##linuxhelp  and  ##windows   also   there may be a #*networking channel too i've never looked for it.
[05:15] <inteliwasp> intelikey: just what do you do with your 8 drives anyway?
[05:16] <Minataku> Don't answer
[05:16] <Minataku> Jucato will get angry
[05:16] <Minataku> ;3 X3
[05:16] <inteliwasp> ???
[05:16] <intelikey> juggle them  ?
[05:16] <pgdown> 8 drives?
[05:16] <adamwest> well i'm off everyone
[05:16] <intelikey> yeah  8 little bitty hd's
[05:16] <adamwest> goodbye and thanks for all thefish :P
[05:16] <inteliwasp> 42!!!
[05:16] <pgdown> dc++?
[05:16] <intelikey> np  hope you learn how to fish.
[05:17] <Minataku> What else would someone with 8 HDDs do? Store certain types of content on them.
[05:17] <Minataku> Wink wink
[05:17] <Minataku> lol
[05:17] <juano__> intelikey: dont get it.. first 30 minutes or so i can see group, enter group see pcs, shares , everything fine, from windows everything fine too, then all of a sudden, i cant access group browsing it from linux, but i can access other host by smb://hostname and from windows i can see workgroup but the only pc that appears in there is the windows one, but i can access linux by typing \\linuxpcname
[05:17] <Minataku> juano__: Probably Windows being a b?tch
[05:18] <intelikey> juano__ wifi reset ?
[05:18] <intelikey> or is that wired ?
[05:18] <juano__> intelikey: no wifi, wired here
[05:18] <juano__> Minataku: probably yea :P
[05:19] <intelikey> idk.   i'm about as network illeterate as thet come.
[05:20] <juano__> intelikey: im thinking maybe some kind of name resolution refresh or something, happens between windows and windows too.. so it isnt samba
[05:21] <intelikey> is the docter in?
[05:21] <intelikey> guess not.
[05:21] <intelikey> Jucato is a networking expert....
[05:22] <intelikey> you might get him to help ya
[05:22] <intelikey> oh don't be modest
[05:37] <intelikey> we all know you are.
[05:37] <intelikey> :)
[05:37] <intelikey> surgy where you at in the indian teritory?
[05:37] <surgy> intelikey: are you being racist?
[05:37] <intelikey> yeah.
[05:37] <surgy> intelikey: j/k okc man why?
[05:37] <surgy> intelikey: where r u from?
[05:37] <intelikey> just wondering i got folds in tulsa  and aroung ten killer
[05:37] <intelikey> folks
[05:37] <intelikey> can't type today.
[05:37] <intelikey> from ft. hood  south of sanantone
[05:37] <surgy> ten killer..... a great lake
[05:37] <intelikey> and a small town
[05:37] <surgy> yerp
[05:37] <surgy> hey man do you know the defualt install directory of enemy territory?
[05:37] <intelikey> no i don't     if it's not in your home  look in /usr/share/games   or /usr/local/ something       could be in /usr/games       hehhe i don't know.
[05:37] <intelikey> but i'd look there   ^
[05:37] <surgy> intelikey its /usr/local thanks
[05:37] <intelikey> np
[05:37] <Tonren> How do I connect using a proxy with Konversation?
[05:37] <intelikey> there are setting inside konv to use a proxy    can't tell you where, i don't use it.
[05:37] <Tonren> intelikey: I couldn't find them.  :(
[05:37] <Tonren> intelikey: Also, the help files don't mention them.
[05:37] <surgy> tonren: settings > konversation settings > connection
[05:37] <Tonren> surgy: Not there.
[05:37] <Tonren> surgy: Konversation 1.0.1
[05:37] <Tonren> Kubuntu 6.10
[05:37] <intelikey> !Konversation dapper
[05:38] <intelikey> !info Konversation dapper
[05:38] <ubotu> konversation: user friendly Internet Relay Chat (IRC) client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 0.19-0ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 4835 kB, installed size 11136 kB
[05:38] <surgy> tonren: thats all i got man sorry
[05:38] <Tonren> surgy: S'ok
[05:38] <intelikey> Version 0.19-0ubuntu4
[05:38] <crxyem> anyone here using beryl ? ?
[05:39] <intelikey> !beryl
[05:39] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[05:40] <intelikey> beryl help is in #ubuntu-xgl
[05:40] <crxyem> sweet thanks
[05:41] <surgy> im having problems installing some software i get this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2598/ do i need to reinstall the software?
[05:41] <surgy> crxyem: im running beryl but intelikey wont let you talk about it here go to #beryl
[05:42] <slyfox> anyone uses skype with usb headset?
[05:42] <slyfox> I cant get it to wrok, I see it as a sound device, but I have no sound
[05:42] <moj0rising> Does anyone know of a good directory server for linux?
[05:43] <moj0rising> Preferably one that runs on (k)ubuntu.
[05:43] <intelikey> surgy says the package is corrupt
[05:43] <intelikey> dl again
[05:43] <surgy> intelikey thanks thats all i needed to know :)
[05:45] <intelikey> slyfox that's not the line in = line out bug is it ?   there is a bug... check the bug reports
[05:45] <intelikey> !buglist
[05:45] <intelikey> !bug
[05:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about buglist - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:45] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[05:45] <slyfox> intelikey: No, I have a USB headset
[05:46] <intelikey> ok.  i don't know then.    see !sound
[05:46] <dethklok> !xcomfmgr
[05:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xcomfmgr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:46] <dethklok> !xcompfmgr
[05:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xcompfmgr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:46] <dethklok> !xcompmgr
[05:46] <ubotu> xcompmgr: X composition manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.3~20060831-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 19 kB, installed size 80 kB
[05:47] <dethklok> So will that not work on dapper?
[05:47] <intelikey> !xcompmgr dapper
[05:47] <dethklok> !transset
[05:47] <ubotu> xcompmgr: X composition manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.1+cvs.20041109-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 19 kB, installed size 80 kB
[05:47] <ubotu> transset: X transparency manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.0+cvs.20041114-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 7 kB, installed size 52 kB
[05:49] <dethklok> intelikey, OIC, thanks
[05:49] <dethklok> tehpwn@tuxbox:~$ sudo apt-get install xcompmgr dapper
[05:49] <dethklok> Reading package lists... Done
[05:49] <dethklok> Building dependency tree... Done
[05:49] <dethklok> E: Couldn't find package dapper
[05:50] <intelikey> welcome
[05:50] <premier_> hello, I had a problem last night relating to my computer stalling, and Ive managed to track down the problem
[05:50] <premier_> intelikey: you might rememeber this
[05:51] <premier_> well, what was happening (i think) was that I was ripping a dvd using mencoder, creating an avi file
[05:51] <intelikey> drop the dapper on the end of that.     you only add the release name on bot calls
[05:51] <premier_> then I moved the avi from my internal to my external hard drive
[05:51] <intelikey> premier_ and ?
[05:51] <dethklok> intelikey, oh well see I installed it already and it was not working... thats why i originally asked the bot
[05:52] <premier_> intelikey: sometimes, it seems, that mencoder would create a corrupt file, and when I tried to move it, it would bring the system down
[05:52] <intelikey> premier_ i see.
[05:53] <intelikey> dethklok  man xcompmgr   ?
[05:53] <premier_> mencoder only does this sometimes.  Ive done this about 15 times now, and its happened twice
[05:53] <intelikey> premier_ you weren't trying to write a 4g+ file to vfat fs were you ?
[05:53] <premier_> no
[05:54] <intelikey> or 2g+ i mena
[05:54] <premier_> it ext3 -> ext2
[05:54] <intelikey> k
[05:54] <premier_> btw, how can I upgrade my external hard drive to ext3 without screwing up the data?  Is that possible?
[05:54] <intelikey> you can add a journal
[05:54] <premier_> okay
[05:54] <intelikey> man mke3fs
[05:55] <intelikey> err e2
[05:55] <dethklok> How would I go about changing the font color in just the Konsole?
[05:55] <elyon> Could someone please suggest an alternative to Limewire and Gtk-Gnutella?
[05:55] <intelikey> set the scheema
[05:55] <premier_> dethklok: if you right click on the konsole window, and set the scheema
[05:56] <intelikey> elyon frostwire ?  but that's not really different.
[05:56] <elyon> intelikey: I wanted to use frostwire, but it has never run... just crashes immediate with no messages.
[05:57] <intelikey> elyon you tried to start it from konsole to make sure it didn't leave error messages ?
[05:57] <dethklok> premier_, lol, that was easy enough
[05:57] <dethklok> thanks
[05:57] <elyon> intelikey: Ah... never thought of that ;)
[05:58] <intelikey> elyon make a note.   that's always first step in debugging in linux    run from a terminal
[05:58] <elyon> intelikey: Alright.  I'll try to remember that.  Thank you.
[05:59] <elyon> intelikey: Ah.  Turns out I need to install Java ;)
[05:59] <intelikey> there ya go.
[05:59] <intelikey> !java
[05:59] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[05:59] <InuDuelist> Hai guys.
[06:00] <intelikey> InuDuelist wb
[06:00] <InuDuelist> Time to configure Thunderbird.
[06:00] <elyon> intelikey: Thanks again... and I appreciate your help yesterday too.  Seems Kubuntu is running very well (although a lot of programs are still crashing pretty often)
[06:01] <intelikey> elyon i'm pretty sure i mentioned running it from a konsole yestergo also, just missed it i guess.    you're welcome
[06:01] <elyon> intelikey: Yeah, I must have missed that.  I tend to not really notice messages that aren't highlighted lol
[06:03] <intelikey> elyon i have see runaway processes cause OOMK to "crash" things   when things are giving trubble   do a# ps -A x        and if there are lots of repetes    pages of them.   that's your problem.
[06:03] <intelikey> seen
[06:04] <intelikey> if that's it you will notice a lot of disk i/o befor things start dying tho
[06:05] <Minataku> Heh
[06:05] <Minataku> Type free
[06:05] <Minataku> If you see VERY LOW VALUES, something is up
[06:05] <Minataku> I know what OOM is like, Piyoko suffered from an ACPI bug that kept leaking memory until everything crapped out after a week >.<
[06:06] <intelikey> Minataku in the -/+ line yes   but people never look there.  they always look at the first line and panic.
[06:06] <Minataku> Good point
[06:07] <Minataku> They have two lines to look at, actually
[06:07] <Minataku> The +/- and Swap
[06:07] <Lam_> is there a kde shortcut to maxmize/minimize/shade a window?
[06:07] <intelikey> free -m says 142m free but that's not the -/+  it's 230m  i only have 256m total
[06:08] <Lam_> nvm found it
[06:08] <intelikey> Lam_ i don't know if there is by default  but you can set them
[06:08] <intelikey> ok.
[06:08] <Lam_> intelikey: yeah i found them. thanks :)
[06:11] <intelikey> but not on this box.
[06:11] <Minataku> rofl
[06:11] <intelikey> i just remembered that there is no login
[06:11] <intelikey> that would affect a full reboot
[06:11] <Minataku> If Kubuntu kernels have Magic SysRq
[06:12] <Minataku> Then Ctrl+SysRq+F simulates full memory
[06:12] <intelikey> Minataku yes.   and E should be about like kill -9 -1
[06:13] <intelikey> but i'd be forced to follow that with a three fingured salute
[06:14] <moparisthebest> I just installed 6.1 and I am having a small problem
[06:14] <moparisthebest> I enabled the multiverse repository
[06:14] <moparisthebest> but it still cant find package sun-java5-jdk
[06:14] <intelikey> 6.10       versioning is   year.month
[06:14] <intelikey> universe ?
[06:15] <intelikey> !sun-java5-jdk
[06:15] <ubotu> sun-java5-jdk: Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-08-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 4918 kB, installed size 11412 kB
[06:15] <moparisthebest> I enabled all of the repositories
[06:15] <intelikey> you applied the changes   updated the package database
[06:15] <intelikey> ?
[06:15] <moparisthebest> yep
[06:15] <moparisthebest> I enabled them through adept, in 6.06 I had to edit a file, does adept do it properly?
[06:16] <intelikey> pastebin your sources.list file
[06:16] <intelikey> cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:16] <intelikey> !paste
[06:16] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:17] <Minataku> Whatever you do, if you use XChat, don't type "/exec -o cat /proc/urandom"
[06:17] <moparisthebest> ok there: http://rafb.net/p/Qfuynz36.html
[06:17] <intelikey> or /dev/hda
[06:18] <intelikey> you don't have multiverse enabled
[06:18] <intelikey> add the word multiverse   to line 17
[06:19] <moparisthebest> thats how the documentation said to do it
[06:19] <moparisthebest> but ok
[06:19] <intelikey> do that; save and,  sudo apt-get update
[06:19] <intelikey> close adept first. of course
[06:20] <intelikey> got that done ?  now you can install it.
[06:20] <moparisthebest> its all showing up now, thanks alot
[06:20] <intelikey> no problem
[06:21] <moparisthebest> isn't sun going open source anyway though?
[06:21] <moparisthebest> I read that they were, or did
[06:22] <Jucato> Sun isn't. but Java is
[06:22] <moparisthebest> thats what I thought, so why is it still in the multiverse repository?
[06:23] <intelikey> moparisthebest i have another methood for that.  but no one likes it.     sed 's/main .*/main restricted universe multiverse/g' /etc/apt/sources.list | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list                                                                                  they say it's too dangerous, might break it.
[06:24] <moparisthebest> I guess it would work. it could break if you ran it twice or something
[06:24] <intelikey> no  twice wont hurt
[06:24] <Jucato> intelikey is known to break stuff... vases, windows, Ubuntu
[06:24] <moparisthebest> ok, ive only used 'sed' once
[06:25] <moparisthebest> but its installing now, so its fine I guess
[06:25] <intelikey> echo "deb some url main blah" | sed 's/main .*/main restricted universe multiverse/g' | sed 's/main .*/main restricted universe multiverse/g' | sed 's/main .*/main restricted universe multiverse/g'                                 <<<< test
[06:28] <intelikey> echo -e "multiple lines of text \n \n something else \ndeb some url main blah \n more text\n" | sed 's/main .*/main restricted universe multiverse/g' | sed 's/main .*/main restricted universe multiverse/g' | sed 's/main .*/main restricted universe multiverse/g'                                 <<<< test2
[06:29] <smith_> hiya
[06:29] <intelikey> say smith
[06:29] <intelikey> jones here.   how are you?
[06:29] <smith_> what is the last version of kubuntu ?
[06:29] <moparisthebest> 6.10
[06:29] <smith_> 6.10 ?
[06:30] <moparisthebest> Edgy I think
[06:30] <intelikey> last ?   as in one before present ?
[06:30] <moparisthebest> I just installed it and am still configuring
[06:30] <Jucato> !edgy
[06:30] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes
[06:30] <intelikey> !dapper
[06:30] <ubotu> dapper is the 4th release of Ubuntu.  Version 6.06 LTS, codename "Dapper Drake".
[06:30] <Jucato> !feisty
[06:30] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[06:30] <intelikey> !breezy
[06:30] <ubotu> breezy was the third release of Ubuntu. Version 5.10, codename "Breezy Badger"
[06:30] <Jucato> we could go on and on...
[06:31] <intelikey> no we run out in two more...
[06:31] <moparisthebest> haha
[06:31] <intelikey> !hoary
[06:31] <ubotu> hoary was the second release of Ubuntu. Version 5.04, codename "Hoary Hedgehog"
[06:31] <intelikey> !warty
[06:31] <ubotu> warty was the first release of Ubuntu. Version 4.10, codename "Warty Warthog"
[06:31] <dope> is there some sort of download manager for linux?
[06:31] <intelikey> now we can't go on.
[06:31] <Jucato> !grumpy
[06:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about grumpy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:32] <Jucato> dope: KGet?
[06:32] <moparisthebest> dope, apt-get
[06:32] <moparisthebest> adept
[06:32] <dope> will it let me resume a download?
[06:32] <Jucato> moparisthebest: huh?
[06:32] <moparisthebest> or depending on what you mean...
[06:32] <Jucato> dope: yes
[06:32] <dope> pause and resume
[06:32] <dope> kk
[06:32] <moparisthebest> oh, nevermind then
[06:32] <Jucato> moparisthebest: he said download manager
[06:32] <moparisthebest> you could use firefox too
[06:32] <intelikey> dope wget is the down load manager for linux... kget for kde  i guess
[06:32] <Jucato> kget is a KDE frontend to wget afaik
[06:33] <dope> and i can resume right
[06:33] <intelikey> dope yes wget does resume
[06:33] <dope> ok kewl
[06:33] <dope> :|:|:
[06:33] <pgdown> anyone know how to get konqueror to use firefox's mplayer plugins?
[06:33] <intelikey> it's called -c or --continue
[06:33] <pgdown> scanning for them doesnt do it
[06:33] <Jucato> konqueror has its own mplayer plugin
[06:33] <moparisthebest> pgdown: why not just use firefox?
[06:33] <programador1> hello
[06:33] <pixelation> I need the ability to remotely dial into my friends computer and use his desktop on mine... is this possible? is there certain software to get?
[06:34] <pgdown> I want to use konqueror
[06:34] <moparisthebest> VNC would work pixelation
[06:34] <pixelation> OK cool :)
[06:34] <OlgaB> Oh and Opera is still not working for me for some reason :|
[06:34] <Jucato> !kmplayer-konq-plugin | pgdown
[06:34] <Jucato> !info kmplayer-konq-plugin | pgdown
[06:34] <OlgaB> It doesn't DNS resolve anything :(
[06:34] <ubotu> Package kmplayer-konq-plugin does not exist in any distro I know
[06:34] <Jucato> bah...
[06:34] <pgdown> I dont like kmplayer
[06:34] <OlgaB> Everything else works fine
[06:34] <moparisthebest> Krdc looks like it would work too pixelation, I dont know anything about it though
[06:34] <Jucato> !info kmplayer-konq-plugins | pgdown
[06:34] <ubotu> kmplayer-konq-plugins: KMPlayer plugin for KHTML/Konqueror. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.3-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 59 kB, installed size 212 kB
[06:34] <moparisthebest> Im just going by the description
[06:35] <dwidmann> kmplayer works very, very well as a konqueror plugin, so like it anyway ;)
[06:35] <pixelation> right on, thank you. :)
[06:35] <Jucato> pgdown: kmplayer is just a frontend to mplayer. that plugin allows konqueror to use mplayer as a plugin
[06:35] <moparisthebest> np
[06:35] <intelikey> pixelation sure   he'll need to install software to answer the line and something like sshd  tightvnc-server  frenx  or the like
[06:35] <pixelation> windows program?
[06:35] <intelikey> !freenx
[06:35] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[06:35] <moparisthebest> you want to control a windows computer from a linux box?
[06:36] <pgdown> Jucato: so how can I get kmplayer to use the firefox mplayer plugins?
[06:36] <dwidmann> a frontend to mplayer, xine, and gstreamer, actually. Weirdly enough, kplayer is a frontend to mplayer .... and only mplayer. Seems backwards to me.
[06:36] <pgdown> is it possible to not use kmplayer?
[06:36] <pgdown> it doesnt work very well
[06:36] <pixelation> yeah that's what I'm looken at
[06:36] <Jucato> pgdown: have you tried the plugin in konqueror? not kmplayer itself
[06:36] <programador1> kaffeine
[06:36] <moparisthebest> pixelation: I know VNC is cross platform and would work for that
[06:36] <programador1> very well
[06:36] <intelikey> pixelation is his box a dozer ?
[06:36] <pgdown> what plugin?
[06:36] <programador1> other option
[06:36] <moparisthebest> I don't know about anything else for that
[06:37] <Jucato> pgdown: I kept on reapeating it: kmplayer-konq-plugins
[06:37] <Jucato> that's the name of the package you need to install
[06:37] <pixelation> moparisthebest intelikely ... cool I'll try learning VNC... yes it is kinda a dozer
[06:37] <pixelation> I want to clean it all up for him.
[06:38] <pixelation> so it runs nicer
[06:38] <pgdown> yes, I have tried those...and I dont want to use them. they are not very good.
[06:38] <pgdown> is it possible to use the firefox mplayer plugins?
[06:38] <moparisthebest> goodluck pixelation, Ive seen some dirty machines :P
[06:38] <pixelation> oh man... yeah lol.
[06:39] <moparisthebest> Ill be back
[06:40] <pgdown> kmplayer does not compare to the firefox mplayer plugins...
[06:40] <pgdown> hmm im getting more and more discouraged with konqueror...
[06:40] <intelikey> pro'b_lem is solve'd
[06:41] <intelikey> pgdown what do you want konq to do ?      (behave like ie?)
[06:42] <Jucato> more like behave like firefox...
[06:42] <intelikey> that was a stupid question.  it already does.
[06:42] <pgdown> intelikely: I just want decent plugins for konq...unsatisfied with kmplayer
[06:42] <pgdown> I have most everything else set
[06:43] <pgdown> Juacto: totally different
[06:43] <intelikey> i don't guess i'd know what a plugin was if it bit me.    probably never have used one.
[06:44] <pgdown> I have both installed and mplayer/firefox just runs smoothly and the sound is crisp and the video is embedded. konq + kmplayer takes forever to buffer (and sometimes never fully buffers) the sound is dull and and the video is open as a separate window.
[06:44] <Jucato> hm... did you install kmplayer or the kmplayer plugin for konq?
[06:44] <pgdown> kmplayer plugin
[06:45] <pgdown> and I have scanned for the firefox/mplayer plugins & they are listed.
[06:45] <pgdown> but not used.
[06:45] <pgdown> and if I remove kmplayer plugins, videos do not play...just wondering how I can configure this to use the firefox/mplayer plugins (if possible)
[06:45] <Jucato> hm... check your File Associations?
[06:46] <slacosse> upgraded to 6.10, after installing firefox 2.0. NOw firefox 2.0 doesnt work. hmmm
[06:46] <pgdown> Jucato: lemme do that
[06:46] <intelikey> so this "plugin" thing is a way to tie the two apps togather ?   make the one run inside the other ?
[06:46] <Jucato> pgdown: the one in the embedding tab
[06:49] <intelikey> install konversation# Suggested packages:  libsoap-lite-perl    Recommended packages:  ruby      hmmmm...
[06:49] <intelikey> i know i won't use it.
[06:50] <Jucato> konversation...
[06:51] <intelikey> maybe i'm getting weened from kde .....
[06:51] <intelikey> form cay dee ey
[06:51] <Jucato> maybe
[06:51] <tanlaan> hello everyone
[06:52] <moparisthebest> I dont know what the kubuntu devs did, but 6.10 boots up at least 3X as fast as 6.06
[06:52] <dwidmann> pgdown, if you're still around, keep in mind that kmplayer defaults to using xine instead of mplayer for playback.
[06:53] <intelikey> !upstart | moparisthebest
[06:53] <ubotu> moparisthebest: Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[06:53] <dwidmann> moparisthebest: Hmm, I didn't notice any difference at all, ~20seconds for each
[06:53] <pgdown> dwidmann: I see that. I set it to play with mplayer (which is *a little* better) but still not as decent as the mplayer plugin http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net
[06:54] <moparisthebest> nifty intelikey, dwidmann its at least 3-4x as fast, of course I did go from an ATA hd to a SATA but it wouldnt have made that much of a difference
[06:55] <dwidmann> moparisthebest: yes it could, depending how old the pata hard drive was
[06:55] <tanlaan> ive been having trouble with my wireless card, it seems to hate the wifi channels 6 and 11. The firmware of my wifi card is bcm43xx which is pretty much horrible with linux. But It does work with my home wifi, but not with my public librarys. So I was wondering if anyone knew of any reason why this might happen.
[06:55] <intelikey> moparisthebest your differance may be "network" related.
[06:55] <moparisthebest> it was ATA 100 dwidmann, everything else is the same intelikey
[06:56] <dwidmann> Most SATA hard drives top out at around 60-65MB/s for non-cached reads. the 3 year old 120GB WD PATA hard drive in my brothers computer tops out at around 20 something MB/s
[06:57] <intelikey> moparisthebest no.  everything else is not the same.   the way ubuntu sets up networking changed.
[06:57] <moparisthebest> I switched my windows install as well a few months ago, and it didnt make any noticeable difference, of course that was windows....
[06:57] <moparisthebest> ah ok intelikey, thats what I said in the beginning was that it was something the kubuntu devs did
[06:58] <intelikey> moparisthebest it may have been waiting on a time out before  that it's not waiting on with upstart and the newer configs.
[06:58] <moparisthebest> possible, something in kubuntu changed for the better for sure :)
[06:58] <dwidmann> speaking of hard drives, I got LVM set up last night. A 605GB XFS partition ... :D
[06:59] <intelikey> yes and "upstart" is most likely the answer.
[06:59] <moparisthebest> nice
[06:59] <moparisthebest> all of my harddrives added up are only 790gb :(
[07:00] <dwidmann> moparisthebest: if you want to shave off a few more seconds, try changing "concurrency" to "shell" in your /etc/init.d/rc file
[07:00] <surgy> how do i kill x again?
[07:00] <intelikey> all of mine are 12g
[07:00] <slacosse> i am a simpleton, anyway i could get firefox to work? I have tried to reinstall/remove with synaptic.  NOw my add/remove is gone.
[07:00] <moparisthebest> that wont screw anything up for me dwidmann ?
[07:01] <dwidmann> that 605 is a 250gb + 400gb (You only get to keep 92.5% of it though)
[07:01] <dwidmann> Shell won't screw anything up ... startpar would though
[07:01] <nino> !mp3
[07:01] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:02] <dwidmann> (seeing as they advertise like say, 250GB .. they mean 250 billion, not 250 * 10^30 ... )
[07:03] <surgy> how do i kill x?
[07:03] <intelikey> surgy sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[07:03] <dwidmann> ctrl + alt + backspace | surgy
[07:03] <intelikey> or stop   if all you want is to kill it.
[07:03] <surgy> intelikey: no i want to stay int erminal only mode to install my videocard driver from nvidia
[07:03] <intelikey> surgy sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[07:03] <surgy> and then startx to start it back right?
[07:03] <moparisthebest> yea dwidmann you always get screwed out of some gb
[07:04] <intelikey> if you don't want kdm  yes
[07:04] <Minataku> Advertised capacity in GB / 1000 / 1000 * 1024 = Actual Capacity in MiB
[07:05] <intelikey> surgy sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start      if you do want kdm
[07:06] <intelikey> ?
[07:06] <intelikey> ad cap /1024
[07:08] <smith_> how i get beryl/xgl for kubuntu ?
[07:08] <Jucato> !beryl | smith_
[07:08] <ubotu> smith_: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[07:09] <smith_> ty
[07:09] <intelikey> !beryl
[07:09] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[07:09] <hagabaka> is beryl pronounced like "burial"?
[07:09] <intelikey> i did that first.....
[07:09] <intelikey> i'm just lagging 30 seconds
[07:09] <Jucato> be-reel
[07:09] <Jucato> or be-ril
[07:10] <hagabaka> bee reel?
[07:10] <intelikey> well maybe you did it first...
[07:10] <intelikey> but it don't look that way on my screen.
[07:11] <intelikey> brl
[07:11] <surgy> i need an older driver
[07:11] <surgy> my video card driver (GLX) works fine but everquest has messed up textures and i looked up the problem and its becuase of my driver
[07:13] <intelikey> !ati
[07:13] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:13] <surgy> intelikey, that doesnt solve the problem
[07:14] <surgy> intelikey: thats for glx and legacy-glx my card is in the glx list but the eq forums tell me i need an older driver
[07:16] <intelikey> then if you follow the conventional thinking in this channel you need to upgrade your os   install the latest  get newer even if it means pre-alpha .....        oh sorry for the rant.
[07:16] <jur> hello
[07:17] <intelikey> i dont know what to tell ya.   get the driver and install it.
[07:18] <intelikey> if it's a kernel module build it   if it's something else dl it    idk....
[07:18] <Jucato> oh there
[07:18] <Jucato> wrong window
[07:19] <intelikey> oh here.
[07:20] <Jucato> s/shue/shoe
[07:20] <Jucato> intelikey said BANG to me in a PM...
[07:21] <intelikey> tattle tell.
[07:21] <intelikey> snich.
[07:21] <Jucato> heheh
[07:22] <intelikey> see you do understand my humour some times.
[07:24] <dwidmann> and finally, my rip/encode script is (more or less) perfected, there went a couple days of my life
[07:24] <ForgeAus> inteli you have humour?
[07:25] <intelikey> dwidmann and if you don't rm/overwrite/misplace/destroy it it will work until the next upgrade....
[07:25] <intelikey> ForgeAus
[07:26] <dwidmann> intelikey, no, it should continue working without any problems
[07:26] <ForgeAus> shue? or shoe?
[07:26] <intelikey> don't you dare tell
[07:26] <Minataku> Oh, wait, I was wrong, sorry...
[07:26] <Minataku> Advertised capacity in GB * 1000 * 1000 / 1024 = Actual Capacity in MiB
[07:26] <Minataku> >.<
[07:26] <Minataku> Sorry about that
[07:27] <intelikey> :)
[07:27] <dwidmann> I think it was something like advertised giggage / 1024 /1024 / 1024 = real giggage
[07:27] <Minataku> It's 1:25AM here, I have a bit of an excuse XD
[07:28] <Minataku> dwidmann: Yeah, I had which operator went where all backwards
[07:28] <dwidmann> No you don't. It's 1:25am here too
[07:28] <Minataku> dwidmann: Well, I apologized anyway
[07:28] <Minataku> lol
[07:28] <intelikey> you're both excused
[07:28] <Minataku> Yay!
[07:28] <dwidmann> hurrah
[07:28] <Minataku> Sorry, I'm just tired... I think I'll head off to sleep or something X3
[07:29] <dwidmann> I have to stay up til 4 to drag my brother out of bed in the most rude and uncalled for of ways, because he neglected the part of his weekend where he was supposed to complete his project for skool
[07:30] <Minataku> Ouch
[07:31] <dwidmann> Speaking of things, ever since we changed color cartridges in our printer, it doesn't want to print right :(
[07:31] <dwidmann> It won't print shades of gray, they come out looking more like, pink, or something
[07:31] <dwidmann> or more of a reddish for darker grays
[07:31] <familia> hola
[07:31] <dwidmann> hello
[07:32] <familia> alguien sabe como instalar america's army?
[07:32] <familia> does anybody know how to install america's army?
[07:33] <garryb> no se puede
[07:33] <familia> por que?
[07:33] <dwidmann> I've never done it, but I assume it would involve WINE
[07:33] <familia> no
[07:33] <garryb> ja, america's army es programa
[07:33] <familia> it's a linx version
[07:33] <familia> es un juego para linux
[07:33] <garryb> i thought you were talking about america's actual army
[07:33] <dwidmann> Ah, maybe they have instructions on their website?
[07:34] <Minataku> dwidmann: Maybe the color cartridges are bad?
[07:34] <dwidmann> garryb: but who would want to install that ... that would be like an instant invasion of privacy
[07:34] <dwidmann> minataku: maybe, I'm not sure, we just put the cartridge in
[07:35] <familia> where can I find another channels
[07:36] <familia> for IRC?
[07:36] <dwidmann> familia: you can get a list with the /list command
[07:36] <familia> thanks
[07:37] <Jucato> hm..
[07:37] <Minataku> dwidmann: I'd check the red cart, there may be something wrong with it
[07:38] <Minataku> Like it's being triggered when it's supposed to be just black
[07:38] <dwidmann> Hmm, I can I'll (attempt to) try that then
[07:39] <dwidmann> probably tomorrow, because I don't feel like doing it right now, and I have a couple scripts that need updating
[07:39] <Minataku> Heehee
[07:39] <Minataku> If it's like most problems it'll still be there tomorrow
[07:39] <dwidmann> Indeed
[07:39] <intelikey> dwidmann your script ?
[07:40] <Minataku> Not that that's a good thing, it's just unfortunately a true thing >.<
[07:40] <dwidmann> these ones: http://www.xnowherex.net/ripit.sh and http://www.xnowherex.net/simple64/index.php
[07:40] <intelikey> who's  rip/incode script ?
[07:40] <Minataku> Sorry... I think I'll head off now... getting more tired XD
[07:40] <Minataku> Night, all ^^
[07:40] <intelikey> ah yours ,
[07:42] <dwidmann> firecrotch ... hehehee, such a funny name
[07:42] <hugo_> how can I make user accounts with an uid below 1000 also show up in the gnome user-admin gui? all accounts above uid 499.
[07:43] <intelikey> gnome user-admin gui   would be a question for  #ubuntu
[07:43] <hugo_> uups
[07:45] <intelikey> reminds me of {es}elyon last night....    i can't get uesrs and groups to work  so i can't set a root password....    hehhe
[07:47] <jh38an> salut
[07:47] <intelikey> yeah or howdy
[07:47] <intelikey> !fr
[07:47] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[07:48] <elyon> !lamp
[07:48] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[07:48] <elyon> Hey... is there any decent Linux software to help file taxes (similar to TurboTax or TaxAct)?
[07:50] <intelikey> i don't see anything in the repos...
[07:50] <elyon> intelikey: Yeah, I didn't either... thought someone might now of some 3rd party app.
[07:51] <Jucato> !kmymoney
[07:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kmymoney - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:51] <Jucato> bah..
[07:51] <elyon> :)
[07:51] <dwidmann> !info kmymoney
[07:51] <ubotu> Package kmymoney does not exist in any distro I know
[07:51] <intelikey> kmonet
[07:51] <intelikey> y
[07:51] <Jucato> !info kmymoney2
[07:51] <ubotu> kmymoney2: Personal finance manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.4-4 (edgy), package size 6913 kB, installed size 14184 kB
[07:51] <elyon> I would think the OSS community would have an interest in something like that too.  But I guess they're too hardcore to be intimidated by paper filing ;)
[07:51] <intelikey> but that's far from a "tax" program
[07:52] <Jucato> I thought it did that too
[07:52] <intelikey> Jucato maybe so  but if so i missed it.
[07:53] <surgy> whats "glines"
[07:53] <dwidmann> best bet is to try to run [insert tax program for windows]  in wine
[07:53] <dwidmann> I would assume
[07:54] <intelikey> gline in irc terms would be a ban   but in software terms glines is a game.
[07:55] <intelikey> oh my
[07:56] <intelikey> would the real elyon please step forward
[07:56] <elyon_> intelikey: It's me... trying to register, but now my other name is stuck on here lol
[07:57] <intelikey> you can kill spooks if you are registered /msg nickserv help
[07:57] <intelikey>  /msg NickServ recover nick passwd
[07:57] <intelikey>  /msg NickServ release nick passwd
[07:57] <Jucato> huh?
[07:58] <Jucato>  /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <nick's password>
[07:58] <Jucato> where <nick> is the ghost nick
[07:58] <intelikey> yes and if there is actually someone there use what i posted.
[07:58] <elyon225> There we go :)
[07:58] <elyon225> Thank you.
[08:00] <snowrichard> hello
[08:01] <elyon225> hmm... guess you can file your taxes on the web at turbotax.com.  Maybe I'll just have to go that route.
[08:01] <intelikey> Jucato ghost is evil if there is someone there.
[08:02] <Jucato> intelikey: there shouldn't be someone there if you own the nick
[08:02] <Jucato> besides, the situation was different anyway
[08:02] <intelikey> but recover doesnt simply kill their connection.
[08:02] <intelikey> it will renick them
[08:03] <intelikey> but if they don't exist has the same affect as a ghost command
[08:04] <intelikey> yeah well anyway.  i like all that to be scripted, and nice is nice.  :)
[08:05] <Jucato> huh what? I got lost in the conversation..
[08:06] <Pensacola> kubuntu uses some of the media keys from my keyboard from a fresh install, where can I edit them?
[08:07] <intelikey> on elyon225's example it was a ghost/spook  but the use of /msg nickserv ghost nick passwd   if in some even should be used where someone else is logged in with your password, it gives no warning it just disconnects you from the network.    kinda heavy handed imo
[08:07] <intelikey> even event
[08:13] <intelikey> and using a script that is commonly frowned upon in irc channels     (when they are busy anyway)
[08:14] <elyon225> intelikey: I'll not do it then :)
[08:14] <intelikey> good on ya
[08:14] <Jucato> good... because I don't want to do something untoward
[08:14] <Jucato> :P
[08:15] <intelikey> crocked ?
[08:15] <Jucato> ??
[08:15] <intelikey> croocked ?
[08:15] <Jucato> crooked?
[08:15] <intelikey> crooooked ?
[08:15] <bowens> I'm getting a funky error with apt-get, I am able to download other files, but if I use the "--reinstall" flag I get "reinstallation is not possible, it can't be downloaded" I've tried googling this error but the only references to it are a glitch in apt-get from a couple years ago, somehow I don't think that's the case here
[08:16] <Jucato> what error do you get when you try to install normally?
[08:16] <bowens> i don't
[08:17] <bowens> the problem is when i try to re-install
[08:17] <intelikey> post the error
[08:17] <bowens> k, hold on
[08:17] <Jucato> ah
[08:17] <Jucato> !pastebin
[08:17] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:18] <Mena> Friends I have 256 Ram Is there a problem if i make the swap partition 2 giga or 1 giga
[08:18] <intelikey> nope
[08:18] <bowens> http://pastebin.com/865526
[08:18] <intelikey> or 10m or none or 100g
[08:19] <Mena> ??!!
[08:19] <Jucato> Mena: I'd say 1GB would be a safe size
[08:19] <intelikey> well swap may not support 100g yet  haven't looked into that.
[08:19] <intelikey> i'd say any size would be upto the limit of swap
[08:20] <sleepy745> is the latest version of Kiba Dock buggy? when I select something from the menu it crashes
[08:20] <Mena> intelikey, and jucato i said that bec i found that my system is slow a bit so i asked maybe this is the reason
[08:20] <Mena> jucato , okay thanks
[08:20] <intelikey> !linux-image-2.6.17-10-generic
[08:20] <ubotu> linux-image-2.6.17-10-generic: Linux kernel image for version 2.6.17 on x86/x86_64. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.17.1-10.34 (edgy), package size 22444 kB, installed size 65968 kB
[08:21] <intelikey> bowens did you remove main from the repos ?
[08:21] <bowens> nope
[08:21] <Nuked> isnt there a new release of kde?
[08:21] <bowens> the kernel image still appears in the list of installed components
[08:22] <Jucato> Nuked: none yet
[08:22] <Jucato> Nuked: 3.5.6 will out soon... when? very soon...
[08:22] <Nuked> I thought it was out already
[08:22] <Nuked> pclinuxos has it if memory serves me correctly
[08:23] <Mena> i think that there is a a new realese every 3 monthes is that right
[08:23] <Jucato> Mena: no
[08:24] <Mena> jucato, ok
[08:24] <Jucato> KDE doesn't follow a set release pattern like GNOME
[08:24] <Mena> Jucato, ok
[08:24] <Jucato> Nuked: some distros were too eager to release it, and they didn't anticipate a delay
[08:24] <intelikey> Jucato that package is still avalable in main isn't it ?   linux-image-2.6.17-10-generic
[08:24] <Nuked> good call
[08:25] <Jucato> intelikey: the latest is in edgy-security
[08:25] <jack_deltrino> hi all
[08:25] <intelikey> but that's not the question
[08:25] <Jucato> !info linux-image-2.6.17-10-generic edgy-security
[08:25] <ubotu> linux-image-2.6.17-10-generic: Linux kernel image for version 2.6.17 on x86/x86_64. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.17.1-10.34 (edgy), package size 22444 kB, installed size 65968 kB
[08:25] <Jucato> yes it's in edgy-security/main
[08:26] <jack_deltrino> i'm not on a kubuntu machine (gentoo in fact), but a friend of mine was wondering what graphical tools he could use to choose what wireless network he's connected to
[08:26] <jack_deltrino> any thoughts?
[08:26] <Mena> Jucato, What Is Linux Image and What that mean
[08:26] <intelikey> bowens pastebin your sources.list
[08:26] <Nuked> jucato there is an edgy-security?
[08:26] <Jucato> Mena: better ask intelikey. I'm not too familiar with the deeper workings of the kernel
[08:27] <Jucato> Nuked: uhuh. it's in the default sources.list
[08:27] <Mena> Jucato, okay
[08:27] <Nuked> and the new kde is there ?
[08:27] <Nuked> not that I am in a rush
[08:27] <Jucato> Nuked: no
[08:27] <Mena> intelikey, What Is Linux Image and What that mean plz
[08:27] <Nuked> sorry my mistake
[08:27] <Jucato> the new KDE will be in kubuntu.org repositories
[08:27] <bowens> dammit is there just a place where i could download the deb file and force install it than play this tomfoolery?
[08:29] <jack_deltrino> so?
[08:29] <jack_deltrino> kwifimanager eh? thanks </sarcasm>
[08:29] <intelikey> Mena the linux-image-* is the name for the binarry package of the linux kernel   the package linux-image  is a meta package that is set to always depend on the latest avalable release of the kernel for that particular release of *buntu
[08:30] <Mena> intelikey, okay
[08:31] <intelikey> Mena in other words,  if you have linux-image install your systems package manager will allways have the latest update as a dependancy    thus any time an update/upgrade is done you get the newer kernel patches
[08:33] <intelikey> bowens maybe.   try this.   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:33] <kraut> moin
[08:33] <Mena> intelikey, ok thats good so that i get updates
[08:34] <intelikey> Mena yes.   and you do need the security updates repository enabled in your sources.list
[08:34] <bowens> intelikey: not a good idea, alot of my work was specifically on the 2.6.17-10-generic image, i need that one, no other.
[08:34] <MotorCityMadMan> !usb
[08:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:34] <bowens> but like an idiot, i believed the suspend2 crowd who said their patch would work on my HP
[08:34] <Mena> intelikey,yes i get security updates
[08:34] <sleepy745> How do I UN-compile something I compiled, latest version of kiba-dock isn't working too good
[08:35] <intelikey> bowens ok.   have the install disk ?
[08:35] <intelikey> bowens your kernel is on it.
[08:35] <bowens> nope
[08:35] <bowens> oh wait yes
[08:35] <Mena> intelikey,thanks very much
[08:35] <bowens> but that's not the 2.6.17-10
[08:35] <intelikey> Mena yw
[08:35] <bowens> I tried that already
[08:36] <intelikey> bowens no ?
[08:36] <intelikey> what is it ?
[08:36] <intelikey> it's 2.6.17???
[08:36] <bowens> yes
[08:36] <intelikey> ???
[08:37] <bowens> specifically 2.6.17-10-generic
[08:37] <intelikey> expecting that to be interpreted ....
[08:37] <intelikey> ah
[08:37] <bowens> and i can't find a single place to download it from
[08:37] <intelikey> let me look around a little.
[08:38] <bowens> i'm ready to scream at google, it is finding every reference except a download link, if i didn't know better i'd swear i'm being given the runaround by them on purpose
[08:41] <intelikey> bowens linux-image-2.6.17-10-generic_2.6.17-10.33_i386.deb <<< that what you want ?
[08:41] <bowens> yep
[08:41] <intelikey> k let me get a url for you
[08:41] <bowens> but i don't know the secret handshake LOL
[08:41] <bowens> i swear, why is it so hard to find?
[08:41] <bowens> i've googled for 2 days
[08:42] <intelikey> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.17/linux-image-2.6.17-10-generic_2.6.17-10.33_i386.deb      try that.
[08:43] <bowens> thanks :)
[08:43] <sparr> how can i re-display the dialog that pops up the first time i run kaffeine?  the one with the red/green checklist of features/codecs/etc
[08:44] <intelikey> is that all the "tomfoolery"  for today ?
[08:45] <bowens> no more goofing around with suspend2 for me :)
[08:45] <intelikey> bowens and you can use dpkg to install that.   right ?
[08:46] <bowens> using it sure, making certain the kernel installs without any strange errors nobody can explain, well i'm keeping my fingers crossed
[08:47] <MotorCityMadMan> I had to use "sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt" to mount a usb stick. How does won get it to automount ?
[08:47] <bowens> this is object lesson in not using your main machine as a guinea pig
[08:48] <intelikey> slow fuse
[08:50] <intelikey> MotorCityMadMan you can put a referance in the fstab if that's a more or less permanant peace of hardware  but automounting removable drives is a thorn in the penguin's side
[08:50] <sparr> I am booting kubuntu from a CD.  I would like to watch media files, using various codecs, from my hard drives.  Kaffeine seems to want mplayer codecs in /usr/lib/codecs, so i downloaded all-20061022.tar.bz2 from mplayerhq.  Kaffeine still wont play video or audio from the file(s) in question.  Help?
[08:51] <intelikey> !mp3
[08:51] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:51] <MotorCityMadMan> intelikey: not permanant hardware
[08:52] <Pensacola> khotkeys doesn't work
[08:53] <MotorCityMadMan> intelikey: the problem started when i did a kde upgrade to 3.5.5
[08:54] <MotorCityMadMan> most be a kde 3.5.5 upgrade bug.
[08:54] <sparr> intelikey: instructions are out of date and/or [non-k] ubuntu-specific.  how do i add non-free to my sources?
[08:54] <Mena> intelikey,unattended upgrades Do i need this package
[08:55] <MotorCityMadMan> <--get's out pee-shooter and starts shooting known bug's
[08:59] <yintelike> oh a libc6 update   that requires a reboot.
[08:59] <bowens> oh this is ridiculous
[08:59] <bowens> STILL getting the same alsa error
[09:00] <sparr> running a [k] ubuntu livecd, is there any way to backup my unionfs to a hard drive so i can maintain my changes between reboots?
[09:05] <xenophile7x7_> sparr: im pretty sure you can do it through a USB drive, im not pos about using your HD though
[09:08] <max_> hi!!!!!!
[09:08] <max_> i'm alone?
[09:08] <max_> doh!
[09:08] <max_> bye
[09:08] <xenophile7x7_> lol
[09:10] <Pensacola> lol
[09:21] <pgdown> hello
[09:26] <sparr> xenophile7x7_: how with a usb drive?
[09:28] <xenophile7x7_> hmmm...idk for sure, gimme a min to look it up.  ive never tried it, but ive read about it for other distros
[09:31] <posingaspopular> you COULD save the files to your USB and then install them after the reboot
[09:32] <max_> hi
[09:32] <xenophile7x7_> sparr: i cant find the book i had on it.  it may be specific to that cd, but im not pos.
[09:32] <xenophile7x7_> some with a bit more knowledge than i could probably help you better
[09:32] <gan|y|med> hi
[09:32] <xenophile7x7_> hey gan
[09:33] <gan|y|med> i would like to know why adept-update wants to install gstreamer for the mozilla totem plugin? is there a change from xine to gstreamer again?
[09:39] <gan|y|med> nobody?
[09:40] <xenophile7x7> no idea gan
[09:40] <xenophile7x7> ary
[09:42] <milos83> i have installed java 6 manually. how to uninstall it now?
[09:44] <milos83> can someone help?
[09:48] <dwidmann> milos83: it's easy
[09:48] <dwidmann> you just delete the extracted folder, wherever it was that you put it
[09:49] <milos83> i got messege: access denied
[09:49] <dwidmann> gan|y|med: ubuntu gnome defaults to using gstreamer, so that's probably why it's wanting gstreamer
[09:49] <dwidmann> !sudo | milos83
[09:49] <ubotu> milos83: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[09:51] <gan|y|med> i thought they changed to xine in... uhhh breezy?
[09:51] <milos83> java is extracted on my desktop. what do i have to type in konsole to remove it? i am new on linux
[09:53] <dwidmann> can't recall, that's just what I remember gan|y|med, I do know for certain that ubuntu with kde defaults to all apps using xine though ...
[09:54] <gan|y|med> i got around it. deinstalled the totem plugin. thx
[09:56] <pgdown> whats up guys
[10:00] <the-erm> I've screwed up, I need some help.  I chowned my entire /var dir when I wanted to just chown /var/www
[10:00] <the-erm> Anyone willing to help a dumbass?
[10:02] <sleepy745> whats the best ssystem monitor for superkaramba that doesn't hog so much memory
[10:03] <shegman> i cant change my desktop wallpaper anymore. why? and how to make it work again?
[10:04] <saki> heya
[10:04] <saki> I had a question about upgrading my kubuntu version
[10:05] <Lynoure> ask away...
[10:05] <Lynoure> we are bad at answering telepathic questions :)
[10:06] <saki> sorry
[10:06] <saki> sleep
[10:06] <saki> sleepy*\
[10:07] <saki> um...how would I go about upgarding my core kubuntu from my current version to the newest or even the experimental?
[10:07] <Lynoure> Which one is your current one?
[10:07] <saki> good question ^_^
[10:07] <saki> I've had this cd for so long, I don't remember
[10:07] <saki> I think its dapper
[10:08] <Jucato> saki: "lsb_release -a" to find out
[10:08] <saki> oo...breezy badger
[10:08] <Jucato> O.O
[10:08] <saki> heya Jucato
[10:08] <Jucato> you have a long upgrade path ahead of you....
[10:08] <saki> ^_^ Didn't see you there
 saki: "lsb_release -a" to find out ^_^
[10:09] <saki> yeah I wasn't looking at the name
[10:09] <saki> so how do I go about this?
[10:09] <Jucato> breezy -> dapper first then dapper -> edgy
[10:09] <Jucato> but from Dapper to Edgy, you need special instructions...
[10:10] <Jucato> so generally, if you have backups...I would recommend just installing straight edgy...
[10:11] <saki> mmm...kay?
[10:11] <saki> I have no backups, but I can just goto Edgy?
[10:11] <Jucato> nope. you can't go straight..  you have to upgrade to Dapper first
[10:11] <saki> like without downloading the cd and reinstalling everything?
[10:11] <saki> ight
[10:11] <saki> how do I go about this
[10:12] <Jucato> !upgrade
[10:12] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[10:12] <Jucato> that's for Dapper to Edgy
[10:12] <Jucato> for breezy to dapper...
[10:13] <Jucato> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[10:13] <Jucato> saki: the Dapper to Edgy upgrade might be a bit bumpy. make sure you follow those instructions very carefully
[10:23] <NeoChaosX> anybody here?
[10:25] <saki> yeah I am
[10:25] <saki> 35mins till crackdown beta is released
[10:26] <NeoChaosX> looks like an interesting game
[10:27] <kub25> ppls
[10:27] <kub25> i need little information
[10:27] <saki> Tell us the reason for which  you ask assistance
[10:27] <kub25> if i play a game and the computer stop responding
[10:28] <kub25> what is the combination of keys
[10:28] <kub25> to exit
[10:28] <saki> reboot
[10:28] <saki> xD
[10:28] <Jucato> O.o
[10:28] <Jucato> kub25: what kind of game is it?
[10:28] <kub25> i tryed with Ctl+Alt+Del
[10:28] <kub25> 3d Game
[10:28] <saki> ctrl+alt+backspace will get you out to kdm/gdm
[10:28] <kub25> i'm playing it with Wine
[10:28] <saki> could be why its freezing up
[10:29] <Jucato> hm..
[10:29] <saki> V_V
[10:29] <Jucato> kub25: Alt+Tab doesn't work anymore?
[10:29] <kub25> nop
[10:29] <Jucato> kub25: does the keyboard respond at all?
[10:29] <kub25> nop
[10:29] <Jucato> ok... not good...
[10:30] <Jucato> Ctrl+Esc no good?
[10:30] <kub25> and somthimes KDE crashes, don't know why, but its not problem, nothing happend when it crash,..
[10:30] <saki> what video card are you running?
[10:31] <kub25> Radeon 9600
[10:31] <saki> are you using the standard drivers?
[10:31] <saki> or the ones from ATI?
[10:31] <saki> or the ones from the hackers?
[10:31] <kub25> ATI i think...
[10:31] <saki> m'kay
[10:31] <saki> you need to install the DRI drivers
[10:31] <kub25> dunno i'm not installed
[10:31] <saki> ATI doesn't like linux atm
[10:32] <kub25> drivers.
[10:32] <saki> it could be the cause for both types of crashes
[10:32] <saki> so you're using the straight up drivers that came with kubuntu?
[10:32] <kub25> yes
[10:33] <saki> goto ati.com and get their linux drivers
[10:33] <saki> and see if that helps
[10:33] <kub25> ok
[10:33] <saki> if not, theres a way to install DRI drivers which are way better atm
[10:33] <saki> but its a pain in the neck
[10:34] <kub25> I don't really know
[10:34] <saki> ^_^ Its okay
[10:34] <kub25> what is my edition of Kubuntu x64 or x 86
[10:34] <saki> umm...?
[10:34] <saki> which one did you install
[10:34] <kub25> where i can chek it
[10:34] <kub25> i don't remember
[10:34] <Peruna> hello, is there a Bandwidth monitor for Kubuntu which shows how much I have downloaded/uploaded until now ?
[10:35] <saki> Peruna: there are super karamba gadgets which will do that
[10:35] <saki> ^_^
[10:35] <Peruna> ok
[10:35] <kub25> but i know my configuration, AMD Sempron 2Ghz 2600+ 64Bit...
[10:35] <saki> Peruna: also ksystemmon does it too
[10:36] <Lynoure> saki: I never felt my Radeon X600 was linux unfriendly. I do not do 3d games, but even 3d worked out of the box with dapper on this lappy
[10:36] <saki> kub25: I do believe you have normal x86, because wine doesn't like 64bit
[10:36] <saki> Lynoure: I know, but some others are really PMSing
[10:36] <saki> especially the older ones
[10:37] <Peruna> ok thnx saki
[10:37] <saki> I've installed Edgy on a computer with a 9800pro and it was a biotch until I got better drivers installed
[10:37] <saki> even nVidia cards should use the nVidia drivers over what comes out of the box for best performance
[10:38] <Lynoure> It's annoying most graphic card makers do not release specs or open source drivers
[10:38] <saki> ATI is supposed to be going open source
[10:38] <saki> now that they've merged with AMD
[10:39] <kub25> yes i think that is for good
[10:39] <Lynoure> I'd be surprised.
[10:40] <kub25> i need little help for KTorrent, and other torrent clients..
[10:40] <kub25> i can download torrents from Internet , but not from my Local network, (invalid tracker response) :(
[10:41] <saki> O_o
[10:41] <Skrot-> Which version of ktorrent and which website?
[10:41] <saki> you want to download a torrent from your network?
[10:41] <Peruna> saki: I meant like showing "how much packet" you have downloaded ... not downloading
[10:41] <kub25> yes
[10:41] <kub25> it don't start to download
[10:41] <saki> Peruna it does
[10:42] <Skrot-> kub25: DHT or something?
[10:42] <Peruna> saki the widget shows only speed
[10:42] <saki> In System Monitor, the second tab third option is Network history
[10:42] <kub25> yes yes
[10:42] <saki> @-@
[10:42] <Skrot-> kub25: But are you also trying to connect to a internet tracker?
[10:42] <kub25> no
[10:42] <kub25> i am using VPN to connect internet,
[10:43] <kub25> when vpn ON local is down
[10:43] <kub25> i can download from Inet, but from local network i cant, i see "stalled"
[10:43] <Skrot-> kub25: Invalid tracker response usually means that the tracker doesn't like the info ktorrent is sending out
[10:44] <Peruna> saki: oh KDE SYstem Guard doesn't have a tab like that
[10:44] <kub25> i've tryed also with Azueros or somth..
[10:44] <saki> Peruna: try to install System Monitor
[10:44] <Skrot-> kub25: That didn't work either?
[10:44] <saki> gnome-system-monitor
[10:45] <kub25> no, not work
[10:45] <saki> it'll work in KDE
[10:45] <saki> and shows you what you want
[10:45] <Skrot-> kub25: Have you considered the tracker/other client to be the problem?
[10:45] <Peruna> saki: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=19441
[10:45] <ademan> has anyone found that amarok's lyrc script doesn't work?  (Note: i'm on GNOME if that might possibly have something to do with it)
[10:45] <Peruna> saki: you meant this ?
[10:46] <Peruna> oooh
[10:46] <saki> O_o not really
[10:46] <saki> ^_^
[10:46] <saki> just use sudo apt-get install gnome-system-monitor
[10:46] <saki> or use your normal package manager
[10:47] <Jucato> ademan: works here. do you have ruby installed (I think it's requiered)? check if the Lyrics script is running in Tools -> Script Manager
[10:47] <Peruna> ok
[10:48] <kub25> what did u mean?
[10:48] <Skrot-> kub25: I can't answer pm
[10:48] <kub25> ok
[10:48] <kub25> tell me
[10:48] <ademan> Jucato: yep i got ruby 1.8, and yeah i activated it in the script manager
[10:48] <ademan> then i got an error that the script exited with error code 1
[10:48] <Jucato> hm... strange.
[10:48] <ademan> it failed on a connect() function, which is kind of wierd
[10:48] <the-erm> :(
[10:49] <Jucato> might want to ask in #amarok
[10:49] <ademan> didn't know there was one :-)
[10:49] <ademan> thanks
[10:49] <kub25> is the problem in the tracker propably?
[10:49] <Skrot-> kub25: When two differen torrent clients can't download a file it usually means the tracker is the problem or your settings (e.g the tracker doesn't support default ports 6881-6889), but since you're downloading from lan i have no idea
[10:49] <saki> are they supposed to be fixing it where you can apt-get more than one thing at a time?
[10:49] <kub25> ok, how i can change the ports??
[10:50] <kub25> in KTorrent..
[10:51] <Skrot-> Settings -> Configure Ktorrent -> Downloads -> Port:
[10:51] <kub25> 10x ill try it
[10:51] <kub25> and 1 more think, how to install .rpm packages?
[10:52] <Skrot-> Download alien, and use it to convert them to .deb
[10:52] <ForgeAus> does kpackage install .rpms?
[10:52] <Jucato> !alien | kub25
[10:52] <ubotu> kub25: RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[10:53] <franx> hi, im sorry to bother everyone but i have a nvidia driver question
[10:53] <franx> some how i broke my nvidia drivers so im trying to fix it uo
[10:53] <kub25> 10x bye
[10:54] <franx> ive apt-get remove nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-common
[10:54] <ForgeAus> yeah if you have rpm and kpackage from adept you can use kpackage to install an rpm
[10:55] <ForgeAus> generally its better to get a .deb or a .tar.gz if possible tho
[10:55] <sleepy745> what kind of new eye candy features are in the new beryl version?
[10:55] <max_> hi
[10:55] <sleepy745> should i use adept to just upgrade?
[10:55] <franx> and now when i reinstall nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-common wants to install it for 2.6.17-10-386 rather than -generic which is my uname -r
[10:55] <the-erm> I'll try again ... I ran chown www-data:www-data /var -Rc I was trying to run chown www-data:www-data /var/www/ -Rc  anyone mind helping with a file list?
[10:55] <Jucato> !beryl | sleepy745
[10:55] <ubotu> sleepy745: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[10:55] <nodesert> hello from turkey
[10:56] <nodesert> i m new about linux
[10:56] <max_> i used ./configure than make and then install to (install) kde-theme. to remove all i should simply use "make remove"?
[10:56] <max_> sorry for my bad english..
[10:57] <sleepy745> but it doesn't tell me i I need to delete my old beryl or just upgrade over it, what do you think?
[10:58] <max_> ...
[10:58] <Jucato> sleepy745: it does tell you that people in #ubuntu-xgl would know about Beryl better
[11:02] <Peruna> anyone here would like to help me install KBFX ?
[11:02] <Jucato> sudo apt-get install kbfx
[11:02] <Jucato> ??
[11:03] <Peruna> I want to install kbfx silk .. but I already have spinx version
[11:03] <Peruna> is there a way to remove it first ?
[11:03] <Jucato> how did you install spinx?
[11:04] <Peruna> I think it came with 0.4.9.2 version
[11:05] <Jucato> Peruna: hm... ok, how did you install kbfx?
[11:05] <nodesert> did you try package manager to remove
[11:05] <Peruna> I downloaded the package and used ./configure ..etc
[11:05] <nodesert> make remove ?
[11:06] <Peruna> Adept shows that I don't have kbfx installed
[11:06] <Peruna> oh I will try that
[11:07] <Jucato> err
[11:07] <Jucato> make uninstall
[11:07] <nodesert> or you can reinstall it then you can remove with apt-get
[11:07] <Peruna> ok
[11:07] <Jucato> but if and only if you kept the directory where you ran make
[11:07] <nodesert> yes
[11:07] <roniez> I am trying to mount my scandisk memory card. but its not automounted. and i know there is stuff on it. and i cant find it in fdisk -l
[11:08] <roniez> anybody that can help me?
[11:08] <Jucato> go into that directory (where you ran ./configure, make, make install) and run "make uninstall"
[11:08] <Jucato> that was for Peruna
[11:08] <trlpht> hi guys
[11:08] <Peruna> Jucato : I will try it
[11:08] <trlpht> and others
[11:08] <Jucato> !hi
[11:08] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[11:08] <Peruna> hi trlpht
[11:09] <trlpht> so we are all kubuntu users ae?
[11:09] <roniez> yea
[11:09] <trlpht> cool... i'm waiting to replace it with opensuse... no offense
[11:10] <trlpht> i've been using this for about 3 months though
[11:10] <trlpht> its different
[11:10] <roniez> i am trying to figure out how to mount my scandisk
[11:10] <zakame> hi all
[11:11] <Jucato> hi zakame!
[11:11] <trlpht> mount your what?
[11:11] <zakame> yo operator Jucato
[11:11] <Jucato> hehe :)
[11:11] <roniez> my scandisk
[11:11] <zakame> anybody here gotten wlassistant to work nicely with resolvconf? :D
[11:11] <roniez> u now memory sticks for cameras and phones..
[11:12] <roniez> zakame: naw mine works good
[11:12] <roniez> '
[11:12] <trlpht> oh... sandisk or flash drive
[11:12] <trlpht> tehee
[11:12] <roniez> yea
[11:12] <trlpht> normally its just ...
[11:12] <trlpht> sudo mount /dev/sd?? /mnt
[11:12] <roniez> should be.
[11:12] <zakame> roniez: I assume wlassistant only
[11:12] <roniez> but it aint working. :S
[11:13] <roniez> zakame: : yeep
[11:13] <trlpht> what is the error?
[11:13] <nodesert> what kind of format is used on ur scandisk
[11:13] <roniez> i tried to gregb sd from dev. but i only got ptysd and ttysd
[11:13] <roniez> windows mobile fat16 i think
[11:14] <roniez> its from my mda vario'
[11:15] <trlpht> do you have a usb reader?
[11:15] <roniez> its direct cscan disk reader
[11:15] <roniez> ok mi just dmesg | tail
[11:15] <roniez> and it founds ad card detected in ssocket 3
[11:16] <roniez> [17182074.068000]  tifm_7xx1: sd card detected in socket 3
[11:17] <kub25> hey
[11:17] <kub25> when i donwloaded the ATI drivers
[11:17] <kub25> how to install the .run package??
[11:17] <Peruna> Jucato : I used KBFX 0.4.9.3-20070117 with ./build.sh , and I got KBFX Spinx DEVEL istanlled , even though It should have been Silk
[11:17] <trlpht> hi
[11:18] <Jucato> Peruna: I'm not familiar with KBFX. but Silk might be the development version of KBFX. or you might have downloaded the wrong installer
[11:19] <intelikey> does anyone know what kind of code or where linux would be leaving in  maybe bios    or disk io buffer or someplace ?   vidio card maybe....    that would be causing windows  lock up at boot time ?
[11:19] <intelikey> acpi ?
[11:19] <roniez> argh... i cant find it..
[11:19] <Peruna> oh
[11:19] <intelikey> every reboot from linux to windows windows will lock up while starting, with "protection error"   but if you power off then boot to windows never an error.    so i know for sure it is linux doing it.
[11:20] <intelikey> i just don't know how or where
[11:20] <intelikey> ?
[11:20] <roniez> anybody think they can help? i can see that the kubuntu has detected the sd card but i cant find it in dev.
[11:21] <DarkWizdom> anyone knows good soft for configuring videocard on kubuntu?
[11:21] <apokryphos> DarkWizdom: take a look at the FAQ (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions) as linked to in the channel /topic
[11:21] <intelikey> roniez sd card ?    dmesg | grep sd
[11:21] <DarkWizdom> thanks
[11:23] <intelikey> anybody got clues ?
[11:25] <roniez> intelikey: yeep it detecteds it has been put in to socket 3
[11:26] <roniez> [17183317.132000]  tifm_7xx1: sd card detected in socket 3
[11:26] <roniez> but when i go to /dev to see it i cant find anything with SD
[11:28] <intelikey> roniez i'm not familear with sd cards, in fact not sure what an sd card is ?
[11:28] <roniez> flash drive
[11:28] <roniez> scandisk
[11:28] <roniez> memory sticdks for cameras and some smart phones.
[11:28] <intelikey> ok  and there is no /dev/sd* ?
[11:28] <roniez> notpe
[11:29] <roniez> roniez@laptop:/$ ls /dev/ | grep sd
[11:29] <roniez> ptysd
[11:29] <roniez> ttysd
[11:29] <roniez> is what i get.
[11:29] <intelikey> roniez ok you'll have to   sudo modprobe <correct_driver>
[11:29] <roniez> and if i dont know it?
[11:29] <roniez> the driver.
[11:30] <intelikey> i'd start with   sudo -i      then  . /etc/bash_completion     then  modprobe sd[tab_key] 
[11:31] <intelikey> maybe two tab-keys   should give a list    may not be in the list but that's where i'd start.
[11:31] <intelikey> sudo -i
[11:31] <roniez> yeaq
[11:31] <intelikey>  . /etc/bash_completion
[11:31] <roniez> done that.
[11:31] <intelikey>  modprobe sd[tab_key] 
[11:31] <roniez> root@laptop:~# modprobe sd
[11:31] <roniez> sdhci   sdla    sd_mod
[11:32] <intelikey> sd_mod
[11:32] <intelikey> then look for the device again
[11:32] <roniez> done.
[11:32] <eeos> hi everybody!
[11:32] <roniez> root@laptop:~# ls /dev/ | grep sd
[11:32] <roniez> ptysd
[11:32] <roniez> ttysd
[11:33] <eeos> is there any alternative to XVIDCAP on kubuntu (possibly kde based)?
[11:33] <roniez> thats it.
[11:33] <intelikey> sdhci
[11:33] <intelikey> then look for the device again
[11:33] <francis> salut
[11:33] <roniez> root@laptop:~# sdhci
[11:33] <roniez> -bash: sdhci: command not found
[11:33] <intelikey> modprobe that ^ of course
[11:33] <roniez> root@laptop:~# modprobe sdhci
[11:33] <roniez> root@laptop:~# sdhci
[11:33] <roniez> -bash: sdhci: command not found
[11:34] <intelikey> now look for the device     ls /dev/sd*
[11:35] <roniez> nioe,
[11:35] <roniez> nope* funkar inte.
[11:35] <intelikey> root@laptop:~# modprobe sdla
[11:35] <intelikey> now look for the device     ls /dev/sd*
[11:35] <eeos> or any other way to capture what is going on an X-Widonw diplay? to prepare some training videos
[11:36] <roniez> nothing there intelikey
[11:36] <intelikey> roniez when you hit the correct driver it will make the device node and you can put the name of the driver in /etc/modules   so it will load each boot time
[11:36] <intelikey> roniez is that usb ?
[11:36] <roniez> nope
[11:36] <roniez> directly a sd card.
[11:36] <intelikey> k
[11:37] <roniez> bah, i just have            x it when i am at my destination.
[11:37] <roniez> i am heading to usa from holland.
[11:37] <roniez> got a nice 12hr flight to look forward too...
[11:37] <intelikey> you can also use     lshw | less
[11:37] <unix_infidel> congrats, where you headed to?
[11:37] <roniez> what does that doo?
[11:37] <intelikey> to look at details of the device
[11:37] <roniez> Austin, Texas.
[11:37] <roniez> from Amsterdam.
[11:38] <roniez> middle land in memphis.
[11:38] <nodesert> i was in memphis last summer :D
[11:39] <unix_infidel> roniez: ahh, austin.  While dutch girls are nice, you'll have a LOT of fun with Austin girls.
[11:39] <intelikey> maybe the details will match something in /lib/modules/*/`uname -r`/*/    and you can modprobe that.  that's where all your modules are.
[11:39] <roniez> pfft. screw dutch girls
[11:39] <roniez> swedish girls all the way
[11:39] <roniez> i am swedish man.
[11:39] <unix_infidel> roniez: either way, you'll have a ball in austin
[11:40] <Kabal> roniez: you're supposed to screw dutch girls hehe
[11:40] <intelikey> guys.
[11:40] <roniez> hehe kabal :D
[11:40] <roniez>              description: Mass storage controller
[11:40] <roniez>              product: PCIxx21 Integrated FlashMedia Controller
[11:40] <roniez> i found that ounder
[11:40] <roniez> *-storage
[11:41] <intelikey> try   modprobe pci[tab] 
[11:41] <roniez> root@laptop:~# modprobe pci
[11:41] <roniez> pci          pci200syn    pciehp       pci_hotplug  pcilynx      pcips2
[11:42] <roniez> pci_hotplug?
[11:42] <intelikey> the next line of that lshw output   ^  would be nice too
[11:42] <roniez>   *-storage
[11:42] <roniez>              description: Mass storage controller
[11:42] <roniez>              product: PCIxx21 Integrated FlashMedia Controller
[11:42] <roniez>              vendor: Texas Instruments
[11:42] <roniez>              physical id: 10.3
[11:42] <roniez>              bus info: pci@00:10.3
[11:42] <roniez>              version: 00
[11:43] <intelikey> so ti something
[11:43] <Jucato> apokryphos: oops.. sorry... :(
[11:43] <apokryphos> !paste
[11:43] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:43] <roniez> argh... kk, where is the paste link?
[11:43] <roniez> thx apokryphos
[11:43] <intelikey> roniez    it
[11:43] <roniez> What?
[11:44] <intelikey>    ti  texas insterments     ti
[11:44] <roniez> yea?
[11:44] <roniez> what do i do with that?
[11:44] <Mena> Friends If i had 2 Os One Xp and the other one is Kubuntu So if i log in Xp viruses would infect it the xp
[11:44] <intelikey> modprobe ti[tab]    and see what you see
[11:45] <the-only-real-sh> i cant change my desktop wallpaper anymore. why? and how to make it work again?
[11:45] <apokryphos> Jucato: what for? :)
[11:45] <Jucato> apokryphos: for not noticing even if I'm not /away...
[11:45] <roniez> intelikey: i have a few there.
[11:46] <apokryphos> Jucato: no worries, no-one ever watches all the time :P
[11:46] <roniez> tifm_7xx1 tifm_sd tipar ti_usb_ tifm_core
[11:46] <Jucato> apokryphos: thing is, I was... although staring blankly...
[11:46] <intelikey> tifm_sd ?
[11:46] <apokryphos> Jucato: 8)
[11:46] <roniez> tried that still cant find it.
[11:46] <intelikey> tifm_7xx1
[11:47] <roniez> tried that also
[11:47] <Jucato> apokryphos: more like  -_-
[11:47] <intelikey> apokryphos might be able to answer how to get your sd card functioning roniez
[11:47] <roniez> yea  will have to do it when i get back.
[11:48] <roniez> or when i land.
[11:48] <roniez> need to get moving in a bit. to the plane.
[11:48] <intelikey> Jucato no you just get the network questions cause you are the networking expert...
[11:48] <roniez> its annoying me so much.
[11:48] <roniez> trying to mount the sd card and i cant find it.
[11:49] <roniez> even modprobed all of the info i can find.
[11:49] <roniez> time to find some place to get some lunch.
[11:49] <roniez> ttyl boys and girls
[11:49] <intelikey> roniez well when you find the driver it will be so simple...
[11:51] <intelikey> roniez ls -l /dev  | grep '10,' | grep 3
[11:53] <eeos> is there any alternative to XVIDCAP on kubuntu (possibly kde based)? or any other way to capture X-Window display?
[11:55] <gnomefreak> eeos: istanbul (it might be gtk though)
[11:57] <eeos> gnomefreak thanks!
[11:57] <gnomefreak> yw
[11:58] <eeos> gnomefreak I would prefer it to intergrate with kde, but really i need to solve the problem
[11:59] <intelikey> would someone                                               grep 'bin/lspci' /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list                                                           please
[11:59] <eeos> eeos@ubuntu:~$ grep 'bin/lspci' /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list
[11:59] <eeos> /var/lib/dpkg/info/pciutils.list:/usr/bin/lspci
[11:59] <eeos> /var/lib/dpkg/info/pciutils.list:/bin/lspci
[11:59] <eeos> eeos@ubuntu:~$
[11:59] <intelikey> ty
[11:59] <eeos> here it is intelikey
[11:59] <Jucato> same results
[11:59] <Jucato> here
[12:00] <intelikey> tanks guys
[12:00] <eeos> gnomefreak ach! it does install the entire gnome desktop!
[12:00] <eeos> gnomefreak is there any kde based alternative to capture X-Window display?
[12:10] <intelikey> does anyone have thoughts as to what kind of code, or where linux would be leaving code, that would be causing windows lock up at boot time ?     note that it only does it if i reboot from linux.   it doesn't on a cold start or a reboot from windows.    and it's consistant.
[12:11] <Thehound> I hope somebody is here that can help
[12:11] <Thehound> I selected the Radeon drivers in Kubuntu
[12:11] <intelikey> doesn't look like it.
[12:11] <Thehound> now it refuses to boot
[12:11] <Thehound> I'm in windows
[12:11] <Thehound> Linux not booting
[12:12] <Thehound> how can I deselect those drivers?
[12:12] <intelikey> "<Thehound> now it refuses to boot" i doubt that.   probably more like xorg not starting.
[12:12] <Thehound> it gets to full bar
[12:12] <Thehound> screen scrambles then freezes
[12:13] <Thehound> soon as it's about to change display mode
[12:13] <intelikey> yeah.   frame buffering going nuts.     boot to single and    dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:13] <Thehound> single?
[12:13] <intelikey> yep single user mode
[12:14] <Thehound> how? I can't get to login
[12:14] <intelikey> rescue or failsafe might be the name in the boot menu
[12:14] <eeos> Thehound restart in failsafe
[12:14] <intelikey> you select it at boot time.
[12:14] <eeos> Thehound uninstall the radeon driver
[12:14] <Thehound> recovery mode? all that does is keep prompting me for my pass when I choose exit
[12:14] <eeos> Thehound install the fglr driver
[12:14] <Thehound> might be the driver again
[12:14] <eMaX> hi all
[12:14] <Thehound> I'll try
[12:14] <eMaX> where does firefox store java applets he has downloaded?
[12:15] <Thehound> once I can get in
[12:15] <eeos> Thehound switch off and restart, then follow my instructions, I had the same problem
[12:15] <[StingRay] > Hi all. Anybody here running a conroe or xeon processor?
[12:17] <intelikey> does anyone have thoughts as to what kind of code, or where linux would be leaving code, that would be causing windows lock up at boot time ?     note that it only does it if i reboot from linux.   it doesn't on a cold start or a reboot from windows.    and it's consistant about it.     somebody that knows something about this ?
[12:17] <intelikey> just a fix would be nice
[12:22] <franx> hi there. i disables "nv" and now when i load my kubuntu i get this nvidia error :FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/volatile/nvidia.ko': No such file or directory
[12:22] <franx> anyone know how to fix this?
[12:22] <gnomefreak> eeos: i thought it was gtk :) but no not for kde im not sure. i would search in adept or terminal for one
[12:26] <franx> hi there. i disables "nv" and now when i load my kubuntu i get this nvidia error :FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/volatile/nvidia.ko': No such file or directory
[12:26] <franx> oops
[12:26] <franx> sorry for the double paste
[12:26] <franx> was an accident
[12:26] <franx> meant for #nvidia =P
[12:27] <apokryphos> franx: take a look at the FAQ (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions) as linked to in the channel /topic
[12:27] <franx> cool ta
[12:27] <Jucato> !nvidia
[12:27] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:27] <aspedia> !backports
[12:27] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[12:36] <franx> hmmm
[12:38] <franx> should i have this in /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common "DISABLED_MODULES="nv""
[12:38] <franx> some places say yes others no. i know it fails with it in
[12:38] <franx> but succeeds if i leave it "" blank
[12:40] <intelikey> franx are you not happy with the driver ?
[12:41] <aspedia> I want to update mysql server from 5.0.22 to mysql-server 5.0.27. What is the best way to do it?
[12:42] <intelikey> !mysql-server
[12:42] <ubotu> mysql-server: mysql database server (current version). In component main, is optional. Version 5.0.24a-9 (edgy), package size 38 kB, installed size 68 kB
[12:42] <intelikey> !mysql-server feisty
[12:42] <ubotu> mysql-server: mysql database server (meta package depending on the latest version). In component main, is optional. Version 5.0.32-2 (feisty), package size 44 kB, installed size 80 kB
[12:42] <intelikey> don't know .
[12:43] <kub25> hi ppls
[12:44] <franx> no im happy with it. im just confused why when i followed the instructions on the ubuntu website i didnt end up with a nvidia.ko file
[12:44] <franx> just wondering if anyone else ended up with one using apt-get to install nvidia drivers
[12:44] <franx> heck it might be just fine to leave the restricted file with no disabling of 'nv'
[12:44] <kub25> Someone know how to install ATI drivers, i've downloaded it, its .run file, how to instal it?
[12:44] <franx> im just trying to get some feedback thats all
[12:45] <intelikey> i use the free "generic" nv so i couldn't tell ya
[12:45] <intelikey> kub25 sh file.run
[12:46] <kub25> i also have .rpm pakage how to install it?
[12:46] <intelikey> dont
[12:46] <intelikey> what is the package ?
[12:47] <intelikey> kub25 ?
[12:48] <kub25> can i install driver x86_64 on x64 machine?
[12:48] <kub25> i mean
[12:48] <intelikey> yes
[12:48] <kub25> ok
[12:48] <intelikey> but you need to be running the 64bit system
[12:48] <aspedia> how can I search and install in / via backports using apt?
[12:49] <intelikey> you use the driver for the OS
[12:49] <intelikey> aspedia if backports is enabled in the /etc/apt/sources.list     sudo apt-get install packagename
[12:50] <intelikey> apt will automatically select the latest version.
[12:50] <kub25> ok, i've installed the ATI driver, now do i need to configure it?
[12:50] <intelikey> !ati | kub25
[12:50] <ubotu> kub25: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:50] <aspedia> okay then I will have backports software? there is no need to define apt to use packports?
[12:50] <kub25> i've installed it
[12:51] <intelikey> then why are you asking ?
[12:51] <aspedia> something like apt-cache search backports mysql ?
[12:52] <intelikey> aspedia apt will automatically select the latest version it can find in ALL the enabled repos.
[12:52] <kub25> becouse i think i need to configure it, nvm i'm now reading the website that botu gived me, i think i have to do alot of things..
[12:52] <intelikey> aspedia you may need to sudo apt-get update    to update apts package database before you install
[12:53] <intelikey> !ati | kub25
[12:53] <ubotu> kub25: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:53] <aspedia> ah, okay. so mysql 5.0.22 is the latest version I can install via apt?
[12:54] <aspedia> but I need mysql 5.0.27
[12:54] <intelikey> if that's what it found then yes.
[12:54] <aspedia> I have to uninstall mysql 5.022 and compile 5.0.27 from source?
[12:54] <kub25> ubotu i'm reading it, i am trying now to configure my driver
[12:54] <ubotu> im: mail/news handling commands and Perl modules. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:148-5 (edgy), package size 310 kB, installed size 1260 kB
[12:55] <intelikey> aspedia if you have to have it you have to have it.    install build-essential and get the source code and build it
[12:57] <intelikey> aspedia you did notice that later versions are out  5.0.32-2 is in (feisty)
[12:58] <aspedia> our developers are wanting 5.0.27
[01:03] <intelikey> could it be that my ram is not getting flushed on reboot ?   just trash in the ram causing a "protection fault" ?
[01:14] <eeos> gnomefreak nothing, istanbul does not even want to start on kubuntu
[01:17] <gnomefreak> eeos: should run on kde as long as you isntalled the gtk libs that istanbul depends on
[01:18] <eeos> gnomefreak I installed all the gtk libs, but still get the error ImportError: No module named gconf
[01:18] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[01:19] <gnomefreak> eeos: not sure than sorry
[01:22] <intelikey> and gconf is installed ?
[01:23] <intelikey> !gconf2
[01:23] <ubotu> gconf2: GNOME configuration database system (support tools). In component main, is optional. Version 2.16.0-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 127 kB, installed size 276 kB
[01:24] <gnomefreak> intelikey: istanbul doesnt depend on it
[01:25] <gnomefreak> :(
[01:25] <eeos> gnomefreak got it! I was missing the python <-> gconf bindings
[01:25] <gnomefreak> eeos: can you give me the exact names
[01:25] <eeos> gnomefreak that is bad, because the apt-get should know istanbul depends on them and load them
[01:26] <gnomefreak> eeos: its not listed as a depend thats why i need the exact name of what you needed to install
[01:26] <eeos> gnomefreak yes I know, but give me time! :P here it is  python-gconf 2.16.0 - 0ubuntu6
[01:27] <gnomefreak> edgy?
[01:27] <intelikey> !python-gconf
[01:27] <ubotu> python-gconf: Python bindings for GConf2. In component main, is optional. Version 2.16.0-0ubuntu6 (edgy), package size 66 kB, installed size 236 kB
[01:27] <intelikey> yep
[01:27] <eeos> gnomefreak kubuntu 6.10
[01:27] <gnomefreak> ty
[01:28] <kub25> Some help.. How to change my Desctop rezolution??
[01:28] <intelikey> ctrl+alt++
[01:28] <intelikey> ctrl+alt+-
[01:29] <intelikey> but that may not be what you want.
[01:29] <eeos> gnomefreak the other bug in the repositoy is that xdvicap is not in it :P even if a perfectly working package is available on sourceforge
[01:30] <gnomefreak> eeos: xvidcap?
[01:30] <gnomefreak> thats not a bug
[01:32] <gnomefreak> eeos: add a comment to htis bug saying that it is like this for you also please https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/istanbul/+bug/81114
[01:34] <eeos> gnomefreak I know it is not a bug, I was teasing. But it should really be in the repository because the developers have aprepared a deb working ackage with the right dependencies.
[01:35] <soeren> weather
[01:35] <gnomefreak> chilly and foggy
[01:36] <eeos> how do you restart the sound server on kubuntu killin all application which are using it? my sound server is stuck!
[01:36] <Jucato> killall artsd
[01:37] <Jucato> then run artsd again
[01:37] <Jucato> or...
[01:37] <Jucato> hm...
[01:37] <Tm_T> dcop artsd default restart?
[01:38] <intelikey> gnomefreak  http://pastebin.ca/325603
[01:38] <Tm_T> I don't know what are dcop calls to it, don't use it at all.
[01:38] <Jucato> Tm_T: there's no dcop for arts
[01:38] <Tm_T> Damned.
[01:38] <Tm_T> Oh well, can't always know everything. ;)
[01:38] <intelikey> Jucato there is a gui for that   kmenu system sound   i think
[01:38] <gnomefreak> intelikey: dapper?
[01:39] <intelikey> yes
[01:39] <Jucato> Tm_T: oh it has... I just don't have arts installed
[01:39] <gnomefreak> thats why
[01:39] <intelikey> gnomefreak it's the istanbul bug confirmed in dapper
[01:39] <Tm_T> Jucato: =)
[01:39] <eeos> call to artsd failed
[01:39] <Tm_T> eeos: Then just kill it.
[01:40] <intelikey> gnomefreak look at the list  and the fact that nothing "gconf" is installed
[01:40] <gnomefreak> intelikey: edgy lost most of those depends
[01:40] <Thehound> now I get as far as login screen
[01:40] <eeos> Tm_T nothing cannot even kill it
[01:40] <Thehound> then when I try to login it flashes back
[01:40] <gnomefreak> intelikey: yours wants to install it edgy  and feisty dont
[01:40] <intelikey> python-gconf is not in the list
[01:40] <eeos> Tm_T it flashes back
[01:40] <Jucato> eeos: did you try "killall artsd" or killing it in ksysguard?
[01:40] <eeos> Jucato tried even killall artsd
[01:40] <intelikey> gnomefreak python-gconf is not in the list
[01:40] <Thehound> does this OS support an x1950PRO?
[01:40] <gnomefreak> intelikey: gconf is
[01:41] <daniele_> where i can find unrar?
[01:41] <Thehound> or am I just wasting time?
[01:41] <eeos> Jucato the blooming thing is repeating the same sound line (1 sec) forever
[01:41] <intelikey> yes but you may already have it installed   i didn't
[01:41] <gnomefreak> intelikey: if you install it it should run fine on dapper
[01:41] <eeos> !python-gconf
[01:41] <ubotu> python-gconf: Python bindings for GConf2. In component main, is optional. Version 2.16.0-0ubuntu6 (edgy), package size 66 kB, installed size 236 kB
[01:41] <gnomefreak> apt-cache show istanbul will show you the depends
[01:42] <Thehound> am I going to have to format?
[01:42] <Thehound> I still can't login
[01:42] <eeos> nothing, cannot stop this sound
[01:42] <intelikey> eeos do     dpkg -l | grep gconf      and see if anything besides the python on shows
[01:42] <intelikey> one
[01:43] <intelikey> Thehound can you boot the live CD ?
[01:43] <Thehound> I don't know
[01:43] <eeos> ii  gconf                                      1.0.9-7.1                            GNOME configuration database system. (daemon
[01:43] <eeos> ii  gconf2                                     2.16.0-0ubuntu1                      GNOME configuration database system (support
[01:43] <eeos> ii  gconf2-common                              2.16.0-0ubuntu1                      GNOME configuration database system (common
[01:43] <eeos> ii  libgconf11                                 1.0.9-7.1                            GNOME configuration database system librarie
[01:43] <eeos> ii  libgconf2-4                                2.16.0-0ubuntu1                      GNOME configuration database system (shared
[01:43] <eeos> ii  libgstreamer-gconf0.8-0                    0.8.12-4ubuntu1                      GConf support for GStreamer
[01:43] <eeos> ii  python-gconf                               2.16.0-0ubuntu6                      Python bindings for GConf2
[01:43] <eeos> eeos@ubuntu:~$
[01:43] <Thehound> screen flashes when I login on my install and I get the login screen back
[01:43] <gnomefreak> intelikey: here are the depends for it http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/index.php
[01:43] <gnomefreak> eeos: use pastebin please
[01:44] <intelikey> ok you had gconf installed and it still didn't work.
[01:44] <genii> gnomefreak Thx
[01:44] <Jucato> !pastebin | eeos
[01:44] <ubotu> eeos: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:44] <eeos> gnomefreak sorry, I am trying to sort the server audio, it s drivig me mad!
[01:44] <eeos> Jucato sorry!
[01:44] <eeos> Jucato gnomefreak this noise is awul! I reboot! brb!
[01:44] <Thehound> so what do I want to do with live cd? it doesn't allow me to change from an eye bleeding 60 hz
[01:45] <Thehound> that's why I tried these drivers in the first place
[01:45] <intelikey> gnomefreak is that a joke ?
[01:45] <intelikey> http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/index.php <<<
[01:46] <gnomefreak> no joke at all
[01:46] <gnomefreak> http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/325606
[01:46] <intelikey> so it's depends are  ""
[01:46] <gnomefreak> sorry wrong window :(
[01:46] <Thehound> so where do I go from here?
[01:46] <Thehound> I want my machine to boot
[01:47] <Thehound> now it actually boots but won't login
[01:47] <genii> Someone just gave me this floppy disk to smartmedia adapter. anyone know if there is support for this thing? Fujifilm FD-
[01:47] <genii> FD-A2 even
[01:48] <Thehound> I need to get that machine up
[01:48] <Thehound> somehow
[01:48] <Thehound> so frustrating
[01:49] <Thehound> how do I reset everything to default
[01:49] <Thehound> whatever that is
[01:49] <Thehound> so I can at least login again
[01:50] <intelikey> gnomefreak http://pastebin.ca/325614   dapper.
[01:50] <Thehound> this is going nowhere. I'll have to tell my admins it'll take me a bit to recover my data
[01:50] <intelikey> still no python-gconf
[01:51] <eeos> hi there!
[01:51] <gnomefreak> intelikey: on dapper?
[01:51] <intelikey> yes dapper.
[01:51] <Thehound> so how do I get my machine to boot again?
[01:52] <eeos> Thehound do you still have the problems with the drivers?
[01:52] <gnomefreak> intelikey: seems to have changed alot. not sure why its grabbing it for you but it doesnt on edgy or feisty
[01:52] <Thehound> yes!
[01:52] <Thehound> even after the lines
[01:52] <Thehound> now I get to the login screen
[01:52] <eeos> Thehound good
[01:52] <Thehound> but when I login, it goes back to login
[01:53] <Thehound> after some flashes
[01:53] <Thehound> so I still can't get into linux
[01:53] <gnomefreak> intelikey: one of your depnds depends on it im sure
[01:53] <gnomefreak> where ours doesnt
[01:53] <eeos> Thehound do you have important data in your kde installtion or is a fresh install?
[01:54] <Thehound> replacable data
[01:54] <Thehound> but the initial install would let me change screen res
[01:54] <Thehound> what supports an x1950
[01:54] <Thehound> starting to hate my card
[01:54] <Thehound> would not*
[01:54] <eeos> Thehound what on earth is x1950?
[01:55] <Thehound> ATI Radeon x1950PRO XGE
[01:55] <Thehound> the driver you suggested got me stuck at 640x480 60 hz
[01:55] <eeos> Thehound what version of drivers do you have?
[01:55] <Thehound> or someone
[01:56] <Thehound> tried off the repository
[01:56] <Thehound> the fsgl or something
[01:56] <Thehound> what was suggested here
[01:56] <genii> fglrx
[01:56] <eeos> Thehound go here http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon.html
[01:56] <Thehound> yes that's it
[01:56] <Thehound> now those have me locked out
[01:56] <Thehound> right now
[01:56] <eeos> Thehound which "those"?
[01:56] <Thehound> fglrx
[01:57] <genii> Thehound You can always try a safe driver to at least get to the desktop egain. vesa for instance
[01:57] <Thehound> was going to try those that you just linked
[01:57] <Thehound> but I can't login
[01:57] <eeos> Thehound  go here http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon.html and dowload ATI binaries
[01:57] <eeos> Thehound your card seems to be a very last generation
[01:58] <genii> Thehound This can be done from a console login. the login manager should have this option actually
[01:58] <Thehound> how would I download them to my nix install?
[01:59] <Thehound> I have the installer package
[01:59] <eeos> Thehound sudo rm -fR /home/username/.kde could help but only if you have a backup of the kde configuration.
[01:59] <Thehound> but at 640x480 I can't see the bottom
[01:59] <eeos> Thehound login in a text console
[01:59] <soulrider> hey everyone, im trying ot do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but it sais "debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process"
[01:59] <Thehound> but won't I need to download the drivers?
[02:00] <Thehound> before running them
[02:00] <genii> Thehound The vesa driver is installed by default, so it is already there. What you would need to do is login to a console. then use a command line editor to change the line in the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf which reads fglrx  to read vesa instead.
[02:00] <Thehound> and how do I use .rpm
[02:00] <soulrider> Thehound: rpm is a nono
[02:00] <genii> Not a good idea to use rpm format, it is not the native package format
[02:00] <soulrider> but you can use Alien to make it into a deb
[02:00] <genii> ymmv with rpms
[02:00] <Thehound> the link he just gave is .rpm
[02:01] <Thehound> oh boy need to remember these lines between boots
[02:03] <soulrider> !adeptfix
[02:03] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[02:04] <eeos> Thehound yes you need to download them unless you have already downloaded them.
[02:05] <eeos> gnomefreak I added my comment to you bug report
[02:07] <genii> Thehound At any rate, the simplest way without a complete reinstall and so on is as I said. Just login to a console session with your usual name/password. Then if yu have an editor such as nano for instance, run it as root with   sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf     then look for where it has the offending driver name and change it to the safe one of vesa instead. Save and exit. Then run sudo...
[02:07] <genii> ...dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg    and you should be able to log in after to the desktop again.
[02:08] <genii> Bleh chatzilla not showing he left already LOL
[02:10] <eeos> genii are you sure? if the problem are the drivers as he sais how would that solve it? he would only be able to use it in vesa mode.
[02:10] <genii> eeos Since he cannot even get into his desktop at the moment, to change it from there becomes much easier when you can get into it first
[02:11] <eeos> genii i understood he could get into text console mode. genii have you tried compiling the new 8.32.5 drivers from ati?
[02:12] <genii> eeos As I understand there is no compiling of ATI drivers, since they only supply binary files
[02:12] <eeos> genii yes, I meant packaging sorry, trying to do two thing at once. :P
[02:13] <genii> Well, the link ubotu gives normally works for most people to install the binaries
[02:13] <genii> !ati
[02:13] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:13] <genii> eg ^
[02:14] <genii> My old AIW 8500DV  installed without incident this way
[02:15] <eeos> genii thanks I knew that. The point is we are experiencing serious and serial problems with kubuntu 6.10 or laptops, which could be connected to graphic drivers (=most likely)
[02:16] <genii> Yes, there is some acpi issue which may also affect some video cards, as I undersatnd it
[02:20] <eeos> genii do you think we should have the acpi installed?
[02:22] <genii> eeos Well, for laptops it makes some sense to have power saving of some sort. For most desktop systems i'd say no however
[02:23] <eeos> genii we only have acpi package installed
[02:24] <karmikaze> is there any other x font viewer apart from xfontsel??
[02:24] <karmikaze> xfontsel doesnt even have 1/3 of the fonts on my system
[02:31] <frojnd> why cant I eject cd?
[02:31] <karmikaze> is it still mounted?
[02:31] <frojnd> I cant by clicking on cd and eject
[02:31] <frojnd> dont know
[02:32] <frojnd> looks like device is busy or something
[02:32] <Jucato> frojnd: right-click on the cd icon in Storage Media?
[02:32] <frojnd> yes?
[02:32] <Jucato> select Eject?
[02:32] <frojnd> but there is no "eject" on the right click
[02:33] <Jucato> ?
[02:33] <Jucato> hm...
[02:33] <Jucato> ok, in Konqueror type in the location bar: media:/
[02:34] <frojnd> if I do that I see the title of cd
[02:34] <Jucato> frojnd: right-click on the CD icon and try ejecting again
[02:35] <frojnd> there isnt any eject
[02:35] <frojnd> but its mounted..
[02:35] <frojnd> .as far as It says
[02:35] <Jucato> huh? still no eject option?
[02:35] <frojnd> aha
[02:35] <frojnd> I found eject
[02:35] <frojnd> but nothing happened
[02:35] <frojnd> :S
[02:35] <Jucato> hm...
[02:35] <Jucato> something must still be using the CD in the background
[02:36] <frojnd> yep..
[02:36] <frojnd> I would kill those process if Id knew how
[02:36] <Jucato> try closing all Konqueror windows/processes
[02:36] <frojnd> and than in the desktop eject ?
[02:38] <Jucato> if you can still see the icon on the desktop
[02:40] <renato> Hi I could use some help with ddclient used behind an adsl modem/router, anybody can lend me a helping hand?
[02:40] <kub25> Somone know how to install Cyrylic Keyboard??
[02:41] <renato> I believe the modem's NAT service is messing things up for me
[02:42] <genii> Try to portforward 53
[02:42] <renato> kub25: I am already connected, my problem is to use a dynamic DNS for faking a "static" IP when I do not have one
[02:43] <ubuntu> Hello all , can someon pease help me with a kubuntu install?
[02:43] <kub25> yes yes :)
[02:43] <ubuntu> talking to me?
[02:43] <ubuntu> kub?
[02:43] <kub25> yes
[02:43] <ubuntu> ok
[02:43] <ubuntu> here is my deal
[02:44] <kub25> i'm listning:)
[02:44] <ubuntu> I am trying to insall using the latest kubuntu release
[02:44] <kub25> 6.10?
[02:44] <ubuntu> but my install stalls at the point when it trys to read the "mirror"
[02:45] <kub25> hahaha
[02:45] <kub25> me too
[02:45] <kub25> i haved the same problem
[02:45] <kub25> and it stuck on 2%
[02:45] <ubuntu> *grins*
[02:45] <genii> specify a different mirror
[02:45] <kub25> all you have to do is to wait :)
[02:45] <ubuntu> u cant
[02:46] <ubuntu> there is only one mirros
[02:46] <ubuntu> it seems to be hardcoded into the cd
[02:46] <kub25> ubuntu u have only to wait, its alot of time, but it will work:)
[02:46] <genii> Normally it should try and put one that is regional
[02:46] <ubuntu> I have tried to look for a sources.list file on the target but found none
[02:47] <genii> So if for instance you live somewhere not in US but just hit enter for all the defaults etc it will be retrieving from a repo pretty far off
[02:47] <kub25> ubuntu i've installed my Kubuntu around 4 hours, exactly for this mirror
[02:47] <ubuntu> hmmmm interesting
[02:47] <ubuntu> i see
[02:48] <ubuntu> maybe it would work but I dont understand why I cant just manually choose a mirror
[02:48] <kub25> i don't know
[02:48] <genii> Normally you can by interrupting it then going back a step or 2 to specify
[02:48] <ubuntu> tried that
[02:49] <kub25> i alredy tried all thngs:)
[02:50] <kub25> and finaly just i've watched TV around 4 hours and when i back Kubuntu 6.10 was installed (^_^)
[02:50] <slyfox> ANyone here uses Kweather?
[02:50] <ubuntu> I guess I could just do a server install and then install the kubuntu-desktop pkg?
[02:50] <slyfox> I always get an error with Kweather - station not found ?
[02:50] <ubuntu> apparently u can choose mirrors when use the server version > http://www.debianadmin.com/ubuntu610-edgy-lamp-server-installation-with-screenshots.html
[02:51] <genii> Normally what I'm doing is the 6.06 server lamp install which is text. If it fails on the repo it lets you go back and specify which url. then after I do something like apt-get install kubuntu-desktop  or xubuntu-desktop
[02:51] <kub25> ubuntu can i upgrate programs and install pkgs for server??
[02:52] <ubuntu> actually i lies
[02:52] <ubuntu> 8lied
[02:52] <ubuntu> *lied
[02:52] <kub25> what?
[02:52] <ubuntu> it doenst let u choose
[02:52] <renato> anybody has any experience with ddclient?
[02:52] <kub25> i already know that :))
[02:52] <ubuntu> the server install also uses its own mirror
[02:54] <genii> The server install for me wants to pick this slow archive for me so i unplug the network cord which kills it. Then I can go back on the menu system to specify an archive
[02:54] <ubuntu> really?
[02:55] <ubuntu> I tried to do that with the kubuntu cd but didnt work
[02:55] <ubuntu> really want a work around that i can use with the kubuntu cd
[02:55] <genii> I am always changing the url from ca.archive.ubuntu.com   to debian.yorku.ca
[02:55] <ubuntu> can u do this with teh kubuntu cd?
[02:56] <ubuntu> hmmm what If I install without a network cable plugged in?
[02:56] <genii> It needs to see the network unless you want to manually specify it
[02:56] <slyfox> What is the difference between Request Uninstall and Request Purging ?
[02:57] <genii> purging cleans out all the configuration files also
[02:58] <ubuntu> kub25: u in china?
[02:58] <kub25> lol
[02:58] <kub25> no
[02:58] <kub25> Why u r asking??
[02:58] <slyfox> SO no one here uses Kweather ?
[02:58] <ubuntu> cuz u said u had the same prob
[02:59] <kub25> well i'm Bulgarian (^_^)
[02:59] <kub25> i've installed Kubuntu from DVD
[02:59] <kub25> and my network was unpluged
[02:59] <kub25> becouse i use VPN to connect the network:)
[03:00] <genii> slyfox I prefer the forecastfox enhanced extension for firefox
[03:00] <visik7> kub25: what kindoftunnel ?
[03:01] <slyfox> genii: Yeah, I think I'll get that one instead. But it is a shame that Kweather is not working in Kubuntu - just in geenral
[03:01] <animimotus> Hi. Someone know how to sort lines in a file.txt alphabeticaly ? with kate is it possible ?
[03:01] <kub25> VPN dunno what tunnel i have  script, it was wroted from my friend
[03:01] <kub25> vpn use router
[03:02] <kub25> my vpn uses router IP to connect, username, password... and i am connected
[03:02] <genii> slyfox Yes, I agree
[03:07] <genii> slyfox Perhaps this will help:  http://www.kde-forum.org/artikel/15457/kweather-unknown-station.html
[03:09] <slyfox> genii: Cool. Thank you.
[03:09] <genii> :) Hope it works
[03:10] <kub25> ganii where r u from?
[03:10] <genii> kub25: I'm in Toronto, Canada
[03:17] <genii> Well, time to start commute to work LOL ... have fun
[03:22] <jason__> hi everyone
[03:22] <kub25> Somone can tell me an Good working Http server (Kubuntu 6.10)
[03:22] <jason__> do i want my primary group to be: admin?
[03:23] <jason__> trying to est up accounts for my kids.   i want them to be able to do nothing basically :P
[03:24] <Jucato> jason__: just make a separate account for them and don't include them in the admin group
[03:24] <Daisuke_Ido> then i'm going to go out on a limb here and say you don't want them in admin
[03:24] <jhutchins> :sudo
[03:24] <jhutchins> !sudo
[03:24] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:24] <jhutchins> jason__: That doc explains how to add sudo permissions, which you don't want to do.
[03:25] <Jucato> ??
[03:25] <jhutchins> jason__: You don't want your primary group to be admin, but you do want to be a member.
[03:25] <jhutchins> You don't want regular users (your kids) to be members of admin.
[03:25] <Jucato> the primary/first account is automatically a member of admin. any subsequent accounts made don't have any defualt groups
[03:25] <kub25> Somone can tell me an Good working Http server (Kubuntu 6.10)
[03:26] <Jucato> kub25: what do you mean?
[03:27] <kub25> i have website (php files) i need web server
[03:27] <kub25> http server on port 80
[03:27] <kub25> ..
[03:27] <Jucato> ah.. beyond my knowledge...
[03:27] <Jucato> apache seems to be a favorite choice
[03:27] <jhutchins> kub25: You'll find the most documentation and support for apache.
[03:27] <kub25> i tryed it but don't wan to start:(
[03:27] <jhutchins> kub25: What error does it give you?
[03:27] <kub25> when i type apache in "run command" the apache don't appear
[03:27] <KennethP> kub25: Fire up adept and enter web server and pick your choice
[03:33] <KennethP> kub25: omitting the space between web and server gives you even better choices...
[03:33] <kub25> ok i've installed aolserver4
[03:33] <kub25> but how to start it??
[03:33] <jl> ha
[03:33] <jhutchins> kub25: Perhaps you would do well to read up on running a web server before you launch one on the net.
[03:33] <jhutchins> It's not just point and click.
[03:33] <kub25> what i have to read ?
[03:33] <kub25> i've readed the info in Adept manager...
[03:33] <Jucato> O.o
[03:33] <kub25> i need to run it but don't know how :(
[03:36] <soulrider> hi eveyrone :)
[03:38] <jhutchins> kub25: Start with http://tldp.org/HOWTO/archived/WWW-HOWTO/WWW-HOWTO-6.html , then read the manuals at http://apache.org
[03:56] <Gimmy> Salve
[03:58] <Gimmy> salve
[03:58] <Gimmy> c-[ nessuno_
[03:59] <Gimmy> help me> i want to install xgl on kubuntu
[04:04] <duzzolo> hi
[04:04] <duzzolo> any italian?
[04:04] <duzzolo> for help
[04:12] <Emil7156> hello
[04:13] <Forge> from inside konqueror is there any way to execute a root command?
[04:13] <Forge> like copying a file?
[04:13] <Forge> (if you didn' tuse kdesu to start it)
[04:13] <Emil7156> I need help to connect to my wlan connection
[04:13] <Emil7156> I find the wlan network but get connection failed all the time
[04:13] <Forge> I need to copy the firefox script for seamonkey
[04:13] <Emil7156> in the walan assistant manager
[04:14] <Forge> erm link actualy
[04:14] <Forge> (symbolic or whatever)
[04:14] <php-freak> hey guys how do i get my ip information through the shell / terminal I forgot
[04:14] <chavo> php-freak, ifconfig
[04:17] <Emil7156> someone?
[04:17] <Emil7156> can I get an errormessage or something when I try to connect to my wlan, right now it just says "Connection failed"
[04:17] <Emil7156> but not what's wrong
[04:20] <VSpike> I did "kdesu kate /etc/xinetd.conf" from a shell, and kate crashed and my panel disappeared too.  How can I get it back?
[04:23] <chavo> VSpike, hit alt-F2 and run kicker from there
[04:24] <VSpike> Ahh kicker.. thanks, that was the piece of info I needed.  I was thinking "kpanel" for some reason
[04:24] <VSpike> chavo: much better.. thanks!
[04:24] <chavo> np
[04:34] <Mater> hi, do any of you know about a mp3 to mp4 converter for kde?
[04:36] <renato> anybody know how to "expose" to the internet a computer behind an adsl modem/router/nat?
[04:37] <Forge> wow zsnes is even better under linux!
[04:38] <Forge> or at least feels it
[04:38] <ravermeister> hello, i have updatet from kde 3.5.4 to 3.5.5 and now when i try to login in, nothing happens until i restart x and login with username and password again
[04:38] <ravermeister> im using kubuntu dapper
[04:38] <ravermeister> anybody an idea about this problem?
[04:39] <ravermeister> i asked in the kde irc chat
[04:39] <ravermeister> and they told me i should ask here..,.
[04:43] <namai> Hi guys. I am newb. Could you help me? :)
[04:43] <kkosmo> how
[04:43] <kkosmo> maybe we can
[04:43] <namai> How to automaticaly start DSL connection on boot up?
[04:43] <kkosmo> go to kcontrol
[04:44] <kkosmo> soorry
[04:44] <kkosmo> to konqueror
[04:44] <kkosmo> go to folder
[04:44] <namai> yes...
[04:44] <kkosmo> /home/yourusername/.kde/Autostart
[04:44] <kkosmo> and put in there you script
[04:44] <kkosmo> and it up automaticly
[04:45] <namai> Where is that script?
[04:45] <Jucato> kkosmo: ???
[04:45] <kkosmo> ?
[04:45] <kkosmo> yes
[04:45] <Jucato> namai: is it PPPoE DLS?
[04:45] <Jucato> DSL*
[04:46] <namai> Yes...
[04:46] <kkosmo> ooo you dont have script
[04:46] <kkosmo> ooo
[04:46] <Camile> Does pon dsl-provider command is ok?>
[04:46] <Camile> Is*
[04:47] <Jucato> namai: run "sudo pppoeconf" in Konsole, follow the setup, then you'll be asked if you want to start connect at boot
[04:47] <Camile> Yes
[04:47] <Camile> I did that once
[04:50] <duzzolo> help
[04:57] <Ayabara> is there a prebuilt version of krusader 1.8 somewhere out there?
[04:57] <ryy> Hi, I am new to linux and to it seems as though it takes longer to load web pages in linux than in windows.  Firefox displays loading <url> for a significant amount of time on the bottom left corner.  Then it displays loading <outside/advertisment url>.  And then it displays the pages.  Why does it take so long to look up pages. Is this normal?
[04:59] <Tm_T> ryy: Firefox can be bit slow, but my experience is that there's no significant speed differences between OS's.
[05:00] <Camile_> How to turn on autimaticaly on boot up?
[05:00] <Camile_> Last time it didint work,
[05:00] <ryy> Do notice a delay when it says looking up such and such page?
[05:00] <Ayabara> anyone using krusader, or should I just change my habits? ;-)
[05:01] <ryy> However once a webpage is opened it does not take a long time to get to another page of the same domain.
[05:01] <Camile_> I'm tired of using sudo pppoecont..:/
[05:01] <firecrotch> ryy... I would blame that on your ISP
[05:01] <MinceR> hi
[05:02] <MinceR> kmail moves mail from the maildir to its own inbox (and it should just leave them there); kde folks say i should ask about it here.
[05:02] <jhutchins> ryy: It sounds like you might have a DNS problem.
[05:03] <jhutchins> kde people always blame the distro.
[05:03] <ryy> How can I find out?
[05:03] <MinceR> i know
[05:03] <MinceR> just checking. :>
[05:03] <guglielf> hi, i need a usenet reader, any advice?
[05:03] <jhutchins> ryy: dns benchmarking is difficult; you can try things like host and dig, or try changing the DNS servers you point to.
[05:04] <Camile_> Can anyone help me?/
[05:04] <firecrotch> ryy: does this happen only for sites that you are going to for the very first time, or for sites you go to frequently as well?
[05:04] <jhutchins> MinceR: You can tell kmail what kind of directory folders are in the setup.  It should respect the maildir, but it's done so less easily as it's grown.
[05:04] <ryy> What are host and dig? how can I change my dns server?
[05:05] <ryy> it happens to sites that I go to frequently.
[05:05] <MinceR> that's ugly
[05:05] <jhutchins> ryy: Host and dig are bindutils programs to query the DNS system directly.
[05:06] <jhutchins> In order to change which server you're using, you have to know how you're setting that.
[05:06] <jhutchins> ryy: Do you get your IP directly from your ISP via DHCP?
[05:06] <klesta> hey guys, I've got a problem, Adept keep saying that everythink is installed. For example gcc. But when I type gcc in console, It says "command not found"
[05:06] <ryy> Yes I get my ip via DHCP.
[05:08] <kub25> Hey Someone please help ME, i've installed Apache 2 web server for linux, i've readed alot ubuntu stuff for installing and starting it and now, when i type my ip, it Just can't see my website, somthing more, i can't see any website, ERROR 404 page not forun,...
[05:09] <kub25> i mean
[05:09] <kub25> only the websites in my IP
[05:09] <kub25> ..
[05:09] <firecrotch> kub25: Do you have any pages in your web accessible directory?
[05:09] <kub25> Yes i have
[05:11] <firecrotch> is this your PC that you're using as a server, or is it a machine that is dedicated to being a server?
[05:11] <kub25> this is My PC, and its dedicated to be a server
[05:13] <firecrotch> kub25: are you behind a router?
[05:13] <kub25> yes
[05:13] <kub25> VPN
[05:13] <jhutchins> kub25: Are the pages accessible using lynx or links on the localhost?
[05:13] <kub25> but i'm trying to acces the page first from my Local IP
[05:13] <renato> do you guys know a ssh client program that let's me specify a proxy serer?
[05:14] <jhutchins> kub25: Have you read the www howto at tldp.org?
[05:14] <kub25> yes
[05:14] <renato> for linux I meant
[05:14] <kub25> and yes
[05:14] <kub25> they are accesible
[05:14] <kub25> from localhost
[05:14] <jhutchins>  kub25:  Are your files owned by an appropriate user, and do they have the correct permissions?
[05:14] <kub25> i think yes
[05:15] <jhutchins> If they are accessible via localhost, but not from other computers within the subnet, the server may not be listening on it's external IP.
[05:15] <Ayabara> I run ubuntu on a Dell Inspiron 6000. Should I install anything other than the default display drivers? Could it help me with performance when playing videos?
[05:15] <jhutchins> (I am not familiar with the default settings for apache on ubuntu.)
[05:16] <kub25> well
[05:16] <jhutchins> Ayabara: Not being a del dealer, I don't know the specs for an Inspirion 6000.  What video chipset does it use?
[05:16] <Eruantalon> Ayabara: What graphics card?
[05:16] <kub25> 127.0.0.1 work 192.168.214.158 (my local IP adders ) not work
[05:18] <jhutchins> kub25: even from the same PC?
[05:18] <kub25> yes
[05:18] <jhutchins> kub25: Sounds like apache is listening on localhost only then.
[05:18] <Eruantalon> try ping 192.168.214.158
[05:18] <kub25> how to change this?
[05:18] <Ayabara> jhutchins, Eruantalon, ATI X300 I think it is called
[05:18] <jhutchins> Read the docs and the comments for the config files about what IP to listen to.
[05:18] <jhutchins> Ayabara: the X300 should be fully supported by the native drivers.
[05:18] <Eruantalon> Ayabara: Yes you would get a significant added performance but ati drivers stink.
[05:18] <Ayabara> jhutchins, Eruantalon, Radeon Mobility M300 it says
[05:18] <Ayabara> jhutchins, Eruantalon, hm. not the same answers from you guys :-)
[05:18] <jhutchins> Ayabara: WEll, I may be wrong.
[05:18] <kub25> Eruantalon i've tryed PING
[05:18] <jhutchins> I was thinking x300, which you said at first, which I believe is supported.
[05:18] <kub25> that is result 64 bytes from 192.168.214.158: icmp_seq=19 ttl=64 time=0.024 ms
[05:19] <MargaRamos> hola
[05:19] <Eruantalon> Ayabara: His is right in saying that it is supported butthe ati closeddrivers(fglrx) is to my experience not very stable and a bitch to install.
[05:19] <pgdown> anyone have trouble fastforwarding with VLC?
[05:19] <jhutchins> !ati | Ayabara
[05:19] <ubotu> Ayabara: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:19] <Ayabara> Eruantalon, does that mean that your advice is also to keep the default drivers?
[05:20] <Eruantalon> i don't know. Supposedly the drivers are more stable with newer cards... I only have an 9100...
[05:20] <Eruantalon> That didn't work at all with the closed driver
[05:22] <Ayabara> Eruantalon, jhutchins, ok. I guess I will stay with the open driver for now. thanks for the input
[05:22] <eeos> Ayabara what is your card?
[05:22] <Eruantalon> Ayabara: Anywars read the link that was given to you, should have good information.
[05:22] <Ayabara> eeos, Radeon Mobility M300
[05:23] <jhutchins> According to the howto, that one needs to be compiled from source.
[05:23] <Ayabara> Eruantalon, reading as we speak :-)
[05:23] <eeos> Ayabara I have a mobility X700 working with fglrx driver, but they are less than good really
[05:23] <Ayabara> eeos, three makes a rule. I'll stick with the open ones :-)
[05:24] <MargaRamos> hola
[05:24] <MargaRamos> m podeis ayudar
[05:24] <eeos> Ayabara :(
[05:25] <Jucato> !es | MargaRamos
[05:25] <ubotu> MargaRamos: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[05:25] <MinceR> bye
[05:26] <ubuntu> hihihi
[05:27] <Ayabara> eeos, sad that I'm sticking with open source drivers? ;-)
[05:28] <eeos> Ayabara no, sad that there is nothing working better. I had a go at the ope source ones, the best I can get was a blank screen
[05:28] <eeos> Ayabara :(:(:(:( as far as I am concerned the manufacturer should be compelled by law to produce os driver :P
[05:29] <kub25> Someone know how to run ProcessTable - KDE System Guard as root??
[05:29] <eeos> kub25 try sudo ksysguard
[05:29] <Eruantalon> kdesu ksysguard
[05:29] <Ayabara> eeos, aha. I thought the fglrx was better for you. sorry :-)
[05:29] <pgdown> use kdesu ksysguard
[05:29] <Ayabara> eeos, I can't get this right, can I...
[05:31] <kub25> 10x eeos it work 10X!
[05:31] <eeos> kub25 yw
[05:31] <eeos>  Ayabara X700 works only with the fglrx, but not particularly well (frozen xorg server on log off for example)
[05:31] <extern> x700 works excellently for me
[05:32] <Eruantalon> it is sad really ati really had something to gain from opensourcing their drivers as opposed to nvidia that have a lot of their magic in the drivers
[05:32] <Ayabara> eeos, ok. I think mine works ok, and glxinfo outputs direct rendering: yes. I was just curious if I could do better :-)
[05:33] <eeos> Eruantalon as far as I am concerned they should both be compelled to open source their drivers
[05:34] <eeos> extern it depends on the hardware you have around it as well
[05:34] <Eruantalon> eeos: Well yeah. At least one of them.. Then perhaps market forces would take care of the rest
[05:34] <eeos> Eruantalon indeed
[05:34] <extern> maybe
[05:34] <jhutchins> If anybody bothered to check for OS hardware support before buying, it might make a difference to the manufacturers.  As it is though, people buy first then complain.
[05:34] <Eruantalon> Ayabara: Which driver are you using now?
[05:35] <Eruantalon> jhutchins: Or they are using the computer they have had for the last 3-4 years where they didn't have a clue... :-)
[05:35] <eeos> jhutchins as you probably know, often you cannot chose the hardware you have to get on with
[05:36] <Ayabara> Eruantalon, the default one from my install
[05:36] <Eruantalon> the ati one?
[05:37] <Eruantalon> I forget waht is the default. As i recall there is closed ati, open ati and mesa or something?
[05:38] <Ayabara> Eruantalon, xorg.conf says "ati"
[05:40] <Eruantalon> Ayabara: ok thanks
[05:43] <bkudria> can someone help figure out why fuse/sshfs isn't working?  I run "sshfs remotehost: ~/Media/Server/", and i get the error: "fuse: failed to exec fusermount: Permission denied".  What's going on?  How can i fix this?
[05:43] <firecrotch> bkudria: I think you have to be root to do that... try "sudo sshfs remotehost: ~/Media/Server/"
[05:44] <Ayabara> anyone know if krusader 1.8 beta1 is available in some repository?
[05:44] <firecrotch> !krusader
[05:44] <ubotu> krusader: twin-panel (commander-style) file manager for KDE (and other desktops). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.70.1-1 (edgy), package size 2547 kB, installed size 6940 kB
[05:44] <firecrotch> Doesn't seem to be, Ayabara, unless it's in some unofficial repo
[05:45] <Ayabara> firecrotch, I'll just have to wait then :-)
[05:45] <firecrotch> Ayabara: or build it from source :)
[05:46] <bkudria> firecrotch: everything i've read says i can do it as a normal user, i just have to be part of the fuse group (i am).  using sudo doesn't let me use my private key.  attempting to execute 'fusermount' gives me the same permission denied error, although the permissions seem to be fine!
[05:46] <Ayabara> firecrotch, I tried, but I got an error on italian user manuals, and from my googling it seemed that's "the way it is"
[05:46] <Yuma> Hi there.
[05:47] <firecrotch> Ayabara: do they have a .deb or an rpm for it?
[05:47] <cntb> \o how to back up MBR with dd from rescueshell from alternateCD ?
[05:47] <Ayabara> firecrotch, there are RPMs for SUSE and openSUSE
[05:48] <Yuma> Anyone had trouble with "frets on fire"?
[05:48] <firecrotch> Ayabara: you could try using alien to turn it into a deb, then install the deb with dpkg -i
[05:48] <Yuma> I doesn't start because it can't get the right resolution.
[05:48] <melange> where do I get "module-assistant
[05:48] <Yuma> But I'm pretty sure I have everything of the graphic card ok.
[05:48] <melange> "
[05:49] <cntb> any ideas guys ?
[05:49] <cntb> \o how to back up MBR with dd from rescueshell from alternateCD ?
[05:54] <firecrotch> Ayabara: Is that working out for you?
[05:56] <fabrizio_> come si f a svuotare il file ceh contiene i processi in corso di kubuntu....
[05:56] <fabrizio_> ??
[05:56] <benjamin> quesque tu raconte
[05:56] <KennethP> is it normal to have both aht0 and wifi0 running simultaneosly with the same mac-adress?
[05:57] <benjamin> ? XD
[05:57] <benjamin> Oo
[05:57] <benjamin> i'm french
[05:57] <benjamin> and you?
[05:57] <fabrizio_> come si f a svuotare il file ceh contiene i processi in corso di kubuntu....
[05:57] <kristina> hi, which beryl blugin is it exactly that shows me the window preview on mouse over in kicker?
[05:58] <firecrotch> KennethP: I would assume so... it's like that for me
[05:58] <kristina> ubotu: !it
[05:58] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[05:58] <KennethP> firecrotch: ok. thanks. I see a lot of info line in syslog regarding this, but this must be related to some other problem. I'll keep digging.
[05:59] <firecrotch> KennethP: are you having some kind of problem?
[05:59] <KennethP> firecrotch: Yeah. I keep getting disconnected from the WLAN using KNetworkManager
[06:01] <pixelation> is there a (kde hopefully) app to clean your souces.list fast?
[06:01] <firecrotch> KennethP: Ah, I'm not familiar with KNetworkManager at all, sorry
[06:01] <firecrotch> pixelation: what do you mean by "clean" it?
[06:03] <pixelation> firecrotch remove redundancy basically, maybe make it more organized for you
[06:03] <pixelation> mines perty long.
[06:03] <elwario91> hello
[06:05] <wilman> how can i see which inkt cardridge is empty
[06:06] <firecrotch> How many lines long is it?
[06:06] <pixelation> firecrotch, I am happy with the new Automatix, I think it takes a look at your souces list... I mostly get made fun of for using those by all you geeks, but anywayws :-P... I'm liking Automatix over EasyUbuntu... Automatix is more friendly to KDE I think.
[06:06] <LjL> however,
[06:06] <LjL> !automatix
[06:06] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[06:06] <elwario91> does anybody know to add all sources to apt?
[06:06] <HymnToLife> !sources | elwario91
[06:06] <pixelation> !WorksForME
[06:06] <ubotu> elwario91: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:06] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[06:06] <pixelation> dangit, lol
[06:07] <elwario91> thanks
[06:07] <elwario91> another question ^^
[06:07] <wilman> how to watch the inkt level?
[06:07] <pixelation> fircrotch - how long is it... long enough to know there are prolly duplicates and it's very disorganized
[06:07] <elwario91> the maxi resolution I can do is 1024*768 but my sreen is 1280*1024
[06:07] <elwario91> under ubuntu it worked
[06:08] <elwario91> but noth with kubuntu
[06:08] <HymnToLife> !fixres | elwario91
[06:08] <ubotu> elwario91: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:08] <LjL> elwario91: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[06:08] <elwario91> ok
[06:08] <elwario91> thanks
[06:08] <elwario91> so ;)
[06:08] <firecrotch> pixelation: I think it's one of those jobs that you're just going to have to do manually.  I'd get rid of Automatix first though
[06:09] <firecrotch> KennethP: thanks for mentioning KNetworkManager (never used it before now).  Much better than wlassistant
[06:09] <pixelation> ok, I'll keep it mind... I really kinda Dig automatix tho... it seems to work... famous last words before it kills my sys :-P
[06:10] <firecrotch> pixelation: Yeah, it seemed to work great for me too.  Then I couldn't boot into Kubuntu at all/
[06:10] <pixelation> automatix  did freeze last night and I was able to restore things by a hard reboot.
[06:10] <pixelation> hmmmm
[06:10] <DHQ> hey guys does kopete support voice chat
[06:10] <pixelation> I have a mirror raid, so I'm not too worried about it.
[06:12] <KennethP> firecrotch: yw...:)
[06:12] <firecrotch> DHQ: Only for some protocols (Jabber/GoogleTalk) works IIRC
[06:12] <DHQ> firecrotch: well msn yahoo
[06:12] <firecrotch> KennethP: Makes it a lot easier for me to connect now that I only have to type in the WEP passphrase instead of the whole WEP key
[06:12] <DHQ> firecrotch: i heard skype to was supported
[06:13] <KennethP> firecrotch: you can get KDEWallet to remember your key also....
[06:15] <firecrotch> KennethP: Hrm... did not know that.  But now that I've discovered KNetworkManager, it's not a problem anymore :)
[06:16] <KennethP> firecrotch: my bad - it's called kwalletmanager....
[06:16] <soulrider> firecrotch: knetworkmanager is great
[06:16] <soulrider> and it mihgt be added as a default en feisty
[06:17] <DHQ> when is the official release of feisty
[06:17] <Tm_T> !releases
[06:17] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[06:18] <firecrotch> DHQ: It's scheduled for 19 April 2007
[06:18] <DHQ> irc aint that great in kopete
[06:19] <DHQ> firecrotch: link me to voice in kopete cauz my jabber to has no sound
[06:19] <Cuddles_in_K1> afternoon all.
[06:19] <ConstyXIV> Does kubuntu have any sort of font smoothing?
[06:19] <Cuddles_in_K1> after 5 days of fighting, i -finally- got ndiswrapper working.
[06:19] <Tm_T> ConstyXIV: Yes, AA.
[06:19] <firecrotch> DHQ: I looked around and I actually haven't been able to find anything about voice capabilities of Kopete :\
[06:19] <Cuddles_in_K1> -but- i now have a question...
[06:19] <ConstyXIV> Tm_T: how do I enable?
[06:20] <DHQ> firecrotch: :(
[06:20] <ConstyXIV> Cuddles_in_K1: did you install ndiswrapper-utils-1.8?
[06:20] <Tm_T> ConstyXIV: systemsettings -> Appearance -> Fonts
[06:20] <Cuddles_in_K1> after sitting idle for x minutes, i lose my wireless connection. the card stays active, but there's no connection. i've gone over the firewall and system logs, but neither show a dhcp release. any suggestions?
[06:21] <Cuddles_in_K1> constyxiv, yes, the problem was with the driver.
[06:21] <ConstyXIV> Cuddles_in_K1: are you using network-manager?
[06:21] <Cuddles_in_K1> constyxiv, no.
[06:21] <ConstyXIV> Cuddles_in_K1: sudo apt-get install network-manager network-manager-kde
[06:21] <ConstyXIV> Cuddles_in_K1: works wonders
[06:21] <soulrider> Cuddles_in_K1: i had that problem too
[06:21] <soulrider> i connect with pppoe
[06:22] <soulrider> and i could see my ppp0 connection, but my apps wouldnt really respond
[06:22] <soulrider> just as if i were offline
[06:22] <ConstyXIV> network-manager is the best wireless tool i have seen on any platform
[06:22] <Cuddles_in_K1> soulrider, that's exactly the problem i'm having
[06:22] <wilman> what is the programm that rules the printing?
[06:23] <ConstyXIV> wilman: cupsd
[06:23] <Cuddles_in_K1> soulrider, how did you fix it?
[06:23] <wilman> ok
[06:23] <wilman> ConstyXIV: can i open it ?
[06:24] <ConstyXIV> wilman: System Settings -> Printers
[06:24] <wilman> ok
[06:24] <wilman> thx
[06:24] <Cuddles_in_K1> soulrider, how did you fix it?
[06:24] <ConstyXIV> Cuddles_in_K1: tried network-manager yet?
[06:24] <elyon225> Could someone please help me fix my sound?  Most music and video plays fine, but many games and some music has a lot of static in it.  I've tried using ALSA and OSS with the same results...
[06:25] <Cuddles_in_K1> constyxiv, just installed. now where is it?
[06:25] <ssk> hy
[06:25] <dope> what's your favorite live cd?
[06:25] <ConstyXIV> Cuddles_in_K1: run knetworkmanager
[06:25] <ssk> some little questions
[06:25] <ConstyXIV> dope: either ubuntu or slax
[06:25] <dope> no knoppix?
[06:26] <ConstyXIV> dopez: not really
[06:26] <ConstyXIV> dopez: not really
[06:26] <HymnToLife> dope, FreeSBIE :)
[06:26] <Cuddles_in_K1> constyxiv, it says i'm disconnected, even though i'm not
[06:26] <ConstyXIV> gorram auto-complete
[06:26] <talius> hi everyone
[06:26] <firecrotch> dope: depends what I need the live CD for...
[06:26] <ConstyXIV> Cuddles_in_K1: click it, then pick a network
[06:27] <ssk> someoane can help me for 5 minutes?
[06:27] <Cuddles_in_K1> well, i -was- connected.
[06:27] <ConstyXIV> ssk: what?
[06:27] <firecrotch> ssk: what do you need help with?
[06:27] <talius> could someone help me 'bout using a microphone based on a ac'97 chipset?
[06:27] <ConstyXIV> Cuddles_in_K1: just connect with network-manager
[06:27] <dope> is it true that in order to boot off a usb flash drive your mother board has to support this operation?
[06:28] <firecrotch> dope: not quite
[06:28] <ssk> ConstyXIV  first > i have dell inspiron - intel dual core - i want to know what distribution of ubuntu have suport for this procesor?
[06:28] <Cuddles_in_K1> constyxiv, trying, but it's not connecting. just sits there saying ''configuring device''
[06:28] <firecrotch> if you can boot from a floppy, then you can put GRUB on the floppy and use that to boot from the USB drive
[06:28] <ConstyXIV> ssk: core2 duo or core duo?
[06:28] <dope> oh
[06:29] <ssk> core duo
[06:29] <ConstyXIV> ssk: x86
[06:29] <dope> some comps don't have floppies anymore
[06:29] <firecrotch> dope: you can also use a CD
[06:29] <dope> can i put grub on a cd
[06:29] <dope> ok kewl
[06:29] <elyon225> dope: Yeah, I took mine out a long time ago.
[06:29] <ConstyXIV> dopez: i dont think many people miss them
[06:29] <dope> i only keep my floppy because xp doesn't have my sata driver and only uses the floppy to get them i dunno
[06:29] <soulrider> Cuddles_in_K1: i ahd to disable DHCT or whateve rits called
[06:30] <elyon225> ConstyXIV: I sure don't ;)
[06:30] <firecrotch> dope: this page might help you out: http://zerlinna.blogweb.de/archives/52-Dual-boot-on-external-USB-Drive-with-a-BootCD-with-Bios-not-supporting-boot-from-external-device.html
[06:30] <dope> thx :D
[06:30] <soulrider> Cuddles_in_K1: i just gave myself a static IP
[06:30] <firecrotch> yw
[06:30] <ssk> ConstyXIV i'm not ace on linux, just home user , i want to install now, that distribuiton that i gone on ubuntu.com is ok?
[06:30] <ConstyXIV> i just keep a slax livecd
[06:30] <Cuddles_in_K1> soulrider, unfortunately, that's not an option here
[06:30] <ConstyXIV> ssk: yeah
[06:30] <soulrider> :(
[06:30] <ssk> ConstyXIV thx
[06:30] <ConstyXIV> ssk: get the desktop cd
[06:30] <elyon225> Could someone please help me fix my sound?  Most music and video plays fine, but many games and some music has a lot of static in it.  I've tried using ALSA and OSS with the same results...
[06:30] <soulrider> Cuddles_in_K1: juato had the same problem
[06:30] <soulrider> i think he fixed it
[06:31] <soulrider> bya dding DNS entries manually
[06:31] <Cuddles_in_K1> constyxiv, still trying, but it's not connecting. just sits there saying ''configuring device''
[06:31] <ssk> ConstyXIV thx for help
[06:31] <ssk> by
[06:31] <soulrider> www.opendns.org
[06:31] <ConstyXIV> Cuddles_in_K1: have you updated recently?
[06:31] <Cuddles_in_K1> constyxiv, this morning, why?
[06:31] <ConstyXIV> Cuddles_in_K1: broadcom?
[06:31] <firecrotch> Has anyone here tried out Feisty yet?
[06:31] <Cuddles_in_K1> constyxiv, yes. got it working at 3am.
[06:32] <Zvezdichko[cnu] > sup. can somebody tell me how to install quake2 data files via the package quake2-data?
[06:32] <ConstyXIV> Cuddles_in_K1: ive got a broadcom, and it works fine, no problem.
[06:33] <elyon225> Zvezdichko[cnu] : sudo apt-get install quake2-data
[06:33] <Cuddles_in_K1> constyxiv, how nice for you. took me 5 days to fix mine.
[06:33] <Zvezdichko[cnu] > elyon225, that's right, I did it,but this is only the installer. how does the installer for quake 2 work?
[06:33] <Cuddles_in_K1> constyxiv, running ifdown/ifup wlan0 restores my connection, but neworkmanager doesn't do anything.
[06:34] <slyfox> Is there a good working Quick Launch Desktop Dock like in apple for Kubuntu ?
[06:34] <ConstyXIV> Cuddles_in_K1: i really don't know what could be going on, ive set 2 of them up this week in 20min, and haven't seen anything like this
[06:34] <ConstyXIV> slyfox: kxdocker
[06:34] <elyon225> Zvezdichko[cnu] : Did you already download an installer for Quake 2?
[06:34] <slyfox> ConstyXIV: I tried to install it, but every time I try to run it, I get this - Launching applicaiton and nothing happens
[06:35] <Zvezdichko[cnu] > elyon225, it seems so
[06:35] <ConstyXIV> slyfox: or kooldock
[06:35] <elyon225> Zvezdichko[cnu] : How does it SEEM like you downloaded it? lol  You either did or you didn't, right?
[06:35] <Zvezdichko[cnu] > elyon225, I did it
[06:35] <Zvezdichko[cnu] > :)
[06:35] <ConstyXIV> slyfox: or you could just use a sane launcher like katapult
[06:36] <elyon225> Zvezdichko[cnu] : What kind of file was it?  .deb, .rpm, .tar?
[06:36] <Zvezdichko> .deb
[06:36] <ConstyXIV> :D
[06:36] <slyfox> ConstyXIV: I wan to have a quick access to a few folders without cluttering my desktop
[06:36] <elyon225> Zvezdichko: Okay, all you need to do to install that is Right-Click and choose Install (with the package manager)
[06:36] <elyon225> Zvezdichko: You have gnome, right?
[06:36] <ConstyXIV> slyfox: it does folders
[06:36] <Zvezdichko> yes :)
[06:36] <Cuddles_in_K1> ok, next question...
[06:36] <Zvezdichko> will it install quake 2 data-files
[06:37] <Zvezdichko> like maps
[06:37] <Cuddles_in_K1> is there any way to get kopete to -not- use kwallet?
[06:37] <ConstyXIV> slyfox: just hit (alt)+(space), start typing
[06:37] <elyon225> Zvezdichko: Probably not if it was a separate package.  Run the .deb file, then install the data files.
[06:37] <Zvezdichko> okay
[06:37] <slyfox> ConstyXIV: katpult does not launch folders
[06:37] <slyfox> ConstyXIV: oops
[06:37] <ConstyXIV> slyfox: it does here
[06:38] <elyon225> Cuddles_in_K1: Choose 'NO' when it asks to use it.  It will then ask if you want to store the password in the less secure way... just choose yes.
[06:38] <slyfox> ConstyXIV: looks liek it does. Hmm, let me see if I can somehow launch my shared network folders via katapult
[06:39] <ConstyXIV> slyfox: you can also put launchers for near anything on the kicker
[06:39] <slyfox> ConstyXIV: I am a noob. Kicker is the whole thing on the bottom - where Kmenu is and virtual desktops are ?
[06:39] <elyon225> Okay, so no one knows about my sound problem.  How about Java?  I installed sun-java5-jre, but Firefox is still griping about it not being installed... any ideas?
[06:40] <ubuntu> Hi, guys
[06:40] <ConstyXIV> slyfox: yup, and you can have more than one too
[06:40] <ubuntu> GRUB loader's giving error 17... how can I reinstall GRUB?
[06:40] <ricky_ds> Hi all; I installed the firestarter firewall but I don't want to login every time. I found out how to do here: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/firestarter-firewall-for-your-ubuntu-desktop.html (adding a line to sudoers) but for some reason it doesn't work. I don't think that having kubuntu instead of ubuntu changes something, does it?
[06:40] <slyfox> ConstyXIV: looking at Kooldock and it seems that there is no way to change its position to be o nthe top of the screen
[06:41] <ubuntu> GRUB loader's giving error 17... how can I reinstall GRUB?
[06:41] <ConstyXIV> slyfox: ive never really been a fan of the docks myself
[06:41] <firecrotch> ubuntu: using a live CD, "grub-install [device] "
[06:42] <ubuntu> I'm using Kubuntu, but the LiveCD boots straight into KDE
[06:42] <ConstyXIV> ubuntulog: just go to a console
[06:42] <elyon225> ubuntu: It's supposed to :)
[06:42] <slyfox> ConstyXIV: what would you recommend to do to have quick access to folders ?
[06:43] <ConstyXIV> slyfox: either katapult or launchers on the kicker
[06:43] <slyfox> ConstyXIV: If I;ll have it in kicker, I will clutter it so that there will be no space for taskbar ?
[06:43] <ConstyXIV> slyfox: there's actually a "network folders" kicker applet
[06:44] <Dr_willis> Theres a lot of neat kicker applets.
[06:44] <ConstyXIV> slyfox: not too much, and you can take out stuff you don't want also
[06:44] <slyfox> ConstyXIV: How do I add just folder to kicker ?
[06:44] <Dr_willis> I perfer them to desktop widgets.
[06:44] <Zvezdichko> slyfox, are you the slyfox at TTLG server?
[06:44] <ubuntu> In the Live CD, the hard-drive isn't mounted
[06:44] <slyfox> Dr_willis: no, not that I am aware of.
[06:44] <ubuntu> How do I mount it so that I can install GRUB?
[06:44] <ConstyXIV> slyfox: just drag to the kicker
[06:45] <Dr_willis> slyfox,  drag a folder to the kicker. it asks
[06:45] <slyfox> Dr_willis: What is a good site with all the kicker applets ?
[06:45] <Dr_willis> thers 2 ways it can show a folder
[06:45] <Dr_willis> kde-look.org
[06:45] <soulrider> ubuntu: the installed will install GRUB
[06:45] <Dr_willis> slyfox,  and check the repos/package manager - a lot of them are not installed by default.
[06:45] <ubuntu> Soulrider, I know... do I have to reinstall Kubuntu completely??
[06:45] <Dr_willis> First applet i add is the "Settings" applet
[06:45] <soulrider> ubuntu: what happened? installed windows and your grub is gone ?
[06:46] <ConstyXIV> Dr_willis: sudo apt-get install kicker-applets
[06:46] <Dr_willis> ubuntu,  you may want to change your nick. :P too many simile rnicks. Heh..
[06:46] <ubuntu> Naaah... installed Kubuntu and now I'm getting GRUB Error 17 when I start the PC
[06:46] <chappychap> Naaah... installed Kubuntu and now I'm getting GRUB Error 17 when I start the PC
[06:46] <soulrider> uhm
[06:46] <chappychap> So I'm guessing I need to reinstall GRUB.
[06:46] <Dr_willis> SO grub is isntalled.. wonder what error 17 is
[06:46] <slyfox> Dr_willis: I need to know what they are and how they are called
[06:46] <soulrider> yea
[06:46] <ConstyXIV> UbuntuStats: did you use another distro before this?
[06:46] <soulrider> gurb is installed
[06:46] <Dr_willis> this isent windows 'reinstalling grub' proberly is not going to fix it.
[06:46] <soulrider> error 17 is no such partition right ?
[06:46] <soulrider> or is that 21 ?
[06:46] <chappychap> Christ, don't know! :)
[06:46] <soulrider> uhm
[06:46] <soulrider> well
[06:46] <ConstyXIV> soulrider: yup, that's 17
[06:47] <soulrider> you can edit the grub settings
[06:47] <soulrider> ok
[06:47] <chappychap> How's that done?
[06:47] <soulrider> chappychap:
[06:47] <Dr_willis> slyfox,  kde-look.org has a lot of extra kde things.. and  as ConstyXIV  said install             sudo apt-get install kicker-applets
[06:47] <soulrider> press alt + f2
[06:47] <soulrider> and type
[06:47] <ConstyXIV> usually happens when you install windows or another distro that doesn't install grub over your grub
[06:47] <soulrider> "kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst"
[06:47] <firecrotch> GRUB error 17 is "filesystem not recognized"
[06:48] <ConstyXIV> correction: install windows from a restore cd
[06:48] <chappychap> Running kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:48] <soulrider> chappychap: wait, you have to mount the partition first, sorry
[06:48] <chappychap> :)
[06:48] <chappychap> No problem, how do I mount it?
[06:48] <soulrider> chappychap: i have to do some stuff first though, but theres a guide int he wiki
[06:48] <ConstyXIV> chappychap: sudo mount /dev/hda1
[06:48] <soulrider> !grub
[06:48] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[06:48] <soulrider> follow that guide
[06:48] <slyfox> Dr_willis: Thank you I will look there
[06:48] <slyfox> ConstyXIV: Thank you too.
[06:49] <Dr_willis> sounds like the grub config file is confused as to what hard drives/partitions are the the one it needs to boot.
[06:50] <slyfox> Any idea how to make mouse buttons back and forward work in konqueror file explorer ?
[06:52] <leey00> slt j'ai besoin d'aide donc je suis sur ordi portable et je trouve pas comment desactiver la sourie qui est en dessous du clavier si qqun pouvais m'indiquer comment faire merci
[06:52] <ConstyXIV> leey00: go to #kubuntu-fr
[06:52] <leey00> ok thx
[06:52] <firecrotch> !fr | leey00
[06:52] <ubotu> leey00: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:52] <firecrotch> Bah, I type too slow
[06:55] <Dr_willis> !info yacc
[06:55] <ubotu> Package yacc does not exist in any distro I know
[06:56] <ConstyXIV> !info bison | Dr_willis
[06:56] <ubotu> bison: A parser generator that is compatible with YACC. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.3.dfsg-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 334 kB, installed size 1352 kB
[06:56] <Dr_willis> I thought that was the case. :)
[06:58] <ConstyXIV> Dr_willis: apt-cache search is your friend
[06:58] <Dr_willis> i couldent rember the name of the animal. :)
[06:58] <Thehound666> I'm really unhappy with Kubuntu on my main pc. I switched it from a VM to the actual hardware and the best I can get from a driver that don't crash it is like 3 fps on anything
[06:58] <Thehound666> the vesa driver
[06:58] <ConstyXIV> Dr_willis: you can just type "apt-cache search (stuff)" and find what youre looking for
[06:58] <Dr_willis> switched from a vm to the actual hardware?
[06:58] <Thehound666> yes
[06:58] <Thehound666> and it's 1000x worse
[06:58] <ConstyXIV> Thehound666: gfx card?
[06:58] <Thehound666> Visiontek Radeon x1950PRO
[06:58] <Dr_willis> you just MOVED the virtual drives or somthing?
[06:58] <Thehound666> I did a fresh install on the hardware
[06:59] <Thehound666> and wish I hadn't
[06:59] <ConstyXIV> !fglrx | Thehound666
[06:59] <ubotu> Thehound666: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:59] <Dr_willis> so the phrase 'switched it from a VM to the actual hardware' dosetn seem to mean much :)
[06:59] <Thehound666> fglrx crashes things every time
[06:59] <ConstyXIV> oh
[06:59] <Thehound666> and it thinks my card is pci
[06:59] <Dr_willis> you installed on a machine.. and it seems slower then the vmware installed version eh?
[06:59] <Thehound666> it's agp
[06:59] <Thehound666> yes
[06:59] <Thehound666> very much so
[07:00] <Thehound666> can't do any games on this at all
[07:00] <Thehound666> my Pentium 3 is faster
[07:00] <Dr_willis> possible some bug with that specific version card, or some other issue..
[07:00] <Dr_willis> ive had good luck with my older ati cards.
[07:00] <Thehound666> I used that card with windows over a month
[07:00] <Thehound666> 0 crashes 0 issues
[07:01] <Thehound666> and is very fast
[07:01] <ConstyXIV> Thehound666: the disadvantage to binary drivers is that we have no clue how they work, and the kernel changes way too fast for ATI to keep up
[07:01] <gourdin> is 3.5.6 out ?
[07:01] <ConstyXIV> Thehound666: you have better luck with nvidia
[07:01] <Thehound666> well maybe how to get agp detected would be a start
[07:01] <Dr_willis> the fact you used it with windows = means nothing.
[07:02] <Thehound666> it thinks I have pci card
[07:02] <Dr_willis> how are you determinging this pci/agp detection?
[07:02] <ConstyXIV> Thehound666: have you tried just using the "ati" driver?
[07:02] <Thehound666> in xorg
[07:02] <Thehound666> which I had to use the backup on each crash
[07:02] <Thehound666> "ati"=crash
[07:02] <ConstyXIV> oh
[07:02] <Thehound666> of xorg
[07:03] <Dr_willis> with some of the ati cards, ive seen where they either need to use ati with the 'noaccel' option. or the vesa drivers.
[07:03] <Thehound666> I can't change the display resoultion with any of them
[07:03] <Lam_> what command can i use to mount an ext partition? i normally just do: $ sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1
[07:03] <ConstyXIV> ive never really had the displeasure of working with 3d on linux
[07:03] <Thehound666> vesa stick me at 3 fps
[07:03] <ConstyXIV> Lam_: yup
[07:03] <Thehound666> at 60 hz
[07:03] <Dr_willis> Thehound666,  yes that will.
[07:03] <Lam_> ConstyXIV: thanks
[07:04] <Dr_willis> Thehound666,  to get full support for that card you need to get the fglrx drivers going.
[07:04] <Lord_Flasheart> hi
[07:04] <ConstyXIV> Thehound666: is your entire desktop running at 3 fps?
[07:04] <Thehound666> ok they just don't seem supported by that card
[07:04] <Thehound666> unless I'm doing something wrong
[07:04] <Thehound666> yes
[07:05] <Thehound666> window animations=the worst
[07:05] <Lord_Flasheart> i am trying to install kubuntu 6.10 on a computer which has two sata hard drives in a mirrored raid array
[07:05] <ConstyXIV> wow, that's one hell of a problem
[07:07] <ConstyXIV> Lord_Flasheart: and, what's happening?
[07:07] <Lord_Flasheart> i installed it on the first drive in the ubiquity installer, and now the system doesn't boot
[07:07] <Lord_Flasheart> i don't really understand raid
[07:07] <Lord_Flasheart> :)
[07:07] <Lord_Flasheart> :(
[07:07] <Dr_willis> Linspire announced today that it plans to expand its CNR ("Click 'N Run") digital download and software management service to support Ubuntu (and other disrtos)   Egads....
[07:07] <elyon225> Could someone please help me fix my sound?  Most music and video plays fine, but many games and some music has a lot of static in it.  I've tried using ALSA and OSS with the same results...
[07:07] <Thehound666> so how do I get fglrx working without killing xorg?
[07:07] <firecrotch> Lord_Flasheart: Do you really need RAID?
[07:07] <Dr_willis> Thehound666,   you may want to try the latest ati drivers from ati.. the ones in the repos are a little older.
[07:07] <Lord_Flasheart> well, yeah, it's not my laptop, it's my friends, but he needs the reliability of the mirrored raid
[07:07] <ConstyXIV> Lord_Flasheart: you need to use the alt disc
[07:07] <Thehound666> I did, they seem to have no effect
[07:07] <Dr_willis> backup your working xorg.conf - an if the worse happends.. restore it.
[07:07] <Thehound666> system still uses vesa
[07:07] <Dr_willis> you dident edit the xorg.conf then.
[07:07] <Dr_willis> or set it to use fglrx
[07:07] <Lord_Flasheart> alternative installation disc?
[07:07] <ConstyXIV> Lord_Flasheart: yup
[07:07] <Thehound666> ok all the instructions said was use aticonfig
[07:07] <Lord_Flasheart> when i use that will there be a raid option or something?
[07:07] <firecrotch> Lord_Flasheart: Yeah... it has everything that is needed to install on a RAID system
[07:07] <Thehound666> what do I replace in xorg?
[07:07] <Lam_> i'm using QTParted on the Edgy boot disk right now to format a hard drive. after i commit, it says successful, but the drive reports a Type of unknown. is that normal? (i formatted to ext3)
[07:07] <Dr_willis> Driver "ati" --> Driver "fglrx"
[07:07] <Dr_willis> basicially
[07:07] <Dr_willis> and reboot
[07:07] <Lord_Flasheart> so when i go into ubiquity on the alternative disk it automagically works it out?
[07:08] <kkosmo> Lam_:
[07:08] <kkosmo> you need
[07:08] <ConstyXIV> Thehound666: ctrl-f for vesa or ati, change to fglrx
[07:08] <kkosmo> to write the information
[07:08] <kkosmo> in to the disk
[07:08] <kkosmo> ok
[07:08] <Thehound666> well I had one saying fglrx, 2 vesa
[07:08] <Lord_Flasheart> or do i need to select both drives or something
[07:08] <Dr_willis> the !ati page may have some details on other ati tips/tweaks.
[07:08] <John-K> Hello
[07:08] <Thehound666> do the vesas get replaced with ati?
[07:08] <Lam_> kkosmo: so the type will show up after i write information?
[07:08] <ConstyXIV> Lord_Flasheart: yes, i think there's an option
[07:08] <Thehound666> or only 1 and the other
[07:08] <Dr_willis> Thehound666,  there should only be 1 entry for that.. unless your xorg.conf is really messed up.
[07:09] <kkosmo> after you write its show
[07:09] <Thehound666> with fglrx
[07:09] <kkosmo> so i dont know why
[07:09] <Dr_willis> no vesas at all.
[07:09] <Thehound666> default xorg had 2
[07:09] <Dr_willis> May be time to move the xorg.conf over to another name.. and reconfgure one from the start with the dpkg-reconfigure command
[07:09] <Lord_Flasheart> is that the same for the ubuntu server installation or does the default installer handle raid, because i need to install it on a server next week
[07:09] <Dr_willis> or google/check the forums for other xorg.conf files for that card
[07:09] <ConstyXIV> Lord_Flasheart: yes
[07:10] <Thehound666> people asking about that card in forums
[07:10] <Thehound666> noone getting help
[07:10] <ConstyXIV> Lord_Flasheart: the server disc uses the alt installer
[07:10] <Lord_Flasheart> ah
[07:10] <Lord_Flasheart> awesome
[07:10] <Lord_Flasheart> thanks a lot guys
[07:10] <Lord_Flasheart> you are legendary
[07:10] <ConstyXIV> Lord_Flasheart: i think, ive never done a server install, but it would make sense (no default gui)
[07:10] <Dr_willis> blame ati. :() i do seem to recall a lot of others with issues with that card.
[07:10] <Thehound666> not sure why they are ignored, I'm sure they'd like an answer
[07:10] <Thehound666> so would I
[07:11] <Dr_willis> Could be no one knows.. and its ati'd drivers that are at fault.
[07:11] <Lord_Flasheart> also, is there any reason to install the 32 bit version of kubuntu?
[07:11] <Lord_Flasheart> do the flash and java thingies work in 64 bit now?
[07:11] <Thehound666> if you have a 32 bit cpu?
[07:11] <Dr_willis> Lord_Flasheart,  i see no reason to use the 64bit version.. unless you know you need the benifits of 64bit.
[07:12] <Lord_Flasheart> on this system, there will be a lot of high end video work and encoding etc
[07:12] <Lord_Flasheart> so having double the size of register would be helpful for speed?
[07:12] <Dr_willis> Lord_Flasheart,  and how much ram ya got?  you sure the video tools you want to use are 64bit compat?
[07:12] <Dr_willis> Could try it and see i guess. :)
[07:13] <Dr_willis> you are one of the few cases that may benifit.
[07:13] <Lord_Flasheart> it's pretty useful on servers aswell?
[07:13] <Lord_Flasheart> especially ones with loads and loads of connections
[07:13] <Thehound666> this guy got some advice but he never replied to say if it works
[07:14] <Dr_willis> not from what ive heard... but i guess every little bit helps.
[07:14] <Thehound666> how rude
[07:14] <Lord_Flasheart> how do you do that thing where you highlight the speech for one person?
[07:14] <Thehound666> lol
[07:14] <Lord_Flasheart> does this work?
[07:14] <Lord_Flasheart> no
[07:14] <Lord_Flasheart> :)
[07:14] <Lord_Flasheart> och well, thank you very much for the advice guys
[07:14] <Lord_Flasheart> you are A-Mazing
[07:14] <Dr_willis> Lord_Flasheart,  ya mean this?
[07:14] <Lord_Flasheart> yeah
[07:14] <Lord_Flasheart> :)
[07:15] <Dr_willis> your irc client is doing that
[07:15] <Lord_Flasheart> i am in konversation
[07:15] <Dr_willis> whenever someone says your nick
[07:15] <Lord_Flasheart> oh, so you typed it in
[07:15] <Lord_Flasheart> Dr_willis does that work?
[07:15] <Dr_willis> I typed lo<tab>
[07:15] <John-K> I have a problem. Seems i've formated my main data partition, when trying to install kubuntu. When asked to format my partitions, i've chosen my xfs hda7 partition to format as ext2 for /boot... well, the hda7 on my current system (slackware) is the one I wanted to use. But my hda8 appared in the installer as hda7! I pressed the COMMIT button. In the mountpoint choose screen, I've choosen the newly formated partition as /boot. Then I saw i
[07:15] <John-K> t's size: 4 Gb. Huh? quickly canceled the installer and rebooted to other system. My hda8 partition is gone. What should I do?
[07:16] <Dr_willis> the irc clients see/complate the nick.. then  if your client sees your nick said.. it 'flags/notifies' you
[07:16] <Lord_Flasheart> lo<Lord_Flasheart>?
[07:16] <Lord_Flasheart> or is that an I
[07:16] <Dr_willis> depends on the irc client.
[07:16] <Lord_Flasheart> i or l
[07:16] <Lord_Flasheart> :)
[07:16] <Dr_willis> WHatever the persons NICK begins with. :)
[07:16] <Dr_willis> try dr<tab>
[07:16] <Lord_Flasheart> oh i see
[07:17] <Lord_Flasheart> dr<tab> blargh
[07:17] <firecrotch> John-K: Is this the same machine you're on now?
 = use the TAB key
[07:17] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:17] <John-K> yes
[07:17] <Lord_Flasheart> ah
[07:17] <Lord_Flasheart> Dr_willis: hehe
[07:17] <Lord_Flasheart> there we go?
[07:17] <Dr_willis> this is getting to be Computers 101 here...
[07:17] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:17] <Lord_Flasheart> thanks a lot man
[07:17] <Lord_Flasheart> that's essential
[07:17] <Lord_Flasheart> now i can sort this raid out
[07:17] <Lord_Flasheart> you are a hero
[07:18] <Lord_Flasheart> bye bye the nooo
[07:18] <firecrotch> John-K: First, do NOT do anything with the partition that you think is gone.  Don't mount it, don't read it, don't write to it
[07:19] <firecrotch> John-K: If you can get the partition table set back exactly how it was before, you should be able to recover the data
[07:19] <John-K> how?
[07:19] <firecrotch> John-K: Do you have a Live CD with Parted that you can use?
[07:20] <Thehound666> ok what do I change this to?
[07:20] <Thehound666>  busid "PCI:3:0:0"
[07:20] <John-K> actually, I'm running a live-cd now
[07:20] <Thehound666> I have an AGP bus
[07:21] <firecrotch> John-K: Good. You'll need to use Parted to set up the partitions exactly the same as you had them.
[07:21] <John-K> yes, I have parted
[07:21] <Thehound666> I been struggling with this thing for 12 hours
[07:21] <firecrotch> John-K: Unfortunately, that's as far as my knowledge of recovering lost partitions reaches :(
[07:22] <Thehound666> how do I change that to use my agp?
[07:22] <Thehound666> this is under the gfx card
[07:22] <Thehound666> I think that to be 99.999% of the issue
[07:23] <firecrotch> John-K: You'll need to make sure that you set it to not format the partition
[07:24] <firecrotch> Sorry I can't be of more help, John-K
[07:24] <John-K> ok, thanks for all
[07:25] <firecrotch> yw, John-K
[07:26] <Thehound666> should this line not say agp?
[07:26] <Lam_> i found out why qtparted from the edgy boot disk wasn't doing what i wanted it to. the program doesn't run with a "kdesu" prefix
[07:26] <Thehound666>  busid "PCI:3:0:0"
[07:27] <Dr_willis> TheGateKeeper,  no i dont think it should.
[07:28] <Dr_willis> thats the identifier for the card   on the system.  I cant recall ever seeing a line like that saying 'agp'
[07:29] <Thehound666> try again. now using a text editor in windows on xorg that handles the right characters
[07:29] <Dr_willis> My Nvidia AGP card has ----->    BusID           "PCI:1:0:0"
[07:29] <Thehound666> because Linux is annoying at 3 fps lol
[07:29] <Thehound666> typing lag
[07:29] <Dr_willis> TheGateKeeper,  cant handle booting to single user mode under linux and using the console?
[07:30] <Dr_willis> Using editors under windows to edit linux config files can be a bad idea.
[07:30] <Dr_willis> Or install vim for windows.
[07:30] <Thehound666> ok I changed 1 line on the net to "ati"
[07:30] <TheGateKeeper> Dr_willis, you are taking my nick in vain :p
[07:30] <Dr_willis> darn it. :P
[07:30] <Dr_willis> who put the G and H right next to eachother.
[07:31] <Thehound666> the other line with the card seems he says leave alone
[07:31] <Thehound666> on the vesa under monitor
[07:31] <Thehound666> guy not say if it worked though
[07:31] <Dr_willis> veas under monitor - may just be telling the system what kind of montior it has.
[07:32] <Dr_willis> His monitor maynot be the same as yours
[07:32] <Thehound666> it isn't but he has vesa too under monitor
[07:32] <Thehound666> guy didn't tell him change that
[07:32] <Dr_willis> my  Section "Monitor"   has a whole 2 lines. :)
[07:32] <Thehound666> showed him a spot to put ati
[07:33] <Dr_willis> you refering to the Identifier Line under 'monitor' ?
[07:33] <Thehound666> ok hopefully I'll be running >3 fps
[07:34] <Dr_willis> unless of course theres some bug with the ati fglrx drivers..
[07:35] <Dr_willis> you dont want to know the hassles these drivers were.. say 2 years ago...
[07:35] <Dr_willis> Thats the reason why everyone says 'use nvidia' - past bad experiences. ;)
[07:35] <soulrider> im back
[07:35] <soulrider> whats everyone up to
[07:35] <elyon225> How do I import and authentication key in KDE?
[07:36] <soulrider> with apt-key add i think
[07:36] <Dr_willis> Watching TheHound666 fight with ati drivers. :)
[07:36] <elyon225> soulrider: Can't do it within Adept?
[07:37] <soulrider> i dont think so elyon225
[07:37] <soulrider> first you need to downlaod the key and then add it
[07:37] <elyon225> soulrider: That command gave me "Invalid operation add"
[07:37] <soulrider> ok
[07:37] <soulrider> hold on a sec, ill tell yout he correct one in a sec
[07:37] <soulrider> i allways copy paste it :P
[07:38] <elyon225> :) thank you
[07:38] <Thehound666> change it to "ati" where you and the guy said, becomes unbootable. change it back to "vesa", I'm bootable again
[07:38] <Dr_willis> Thehound666,   try "fglrx" yet?
[07:39] <Thehound666> fglrx is somewhere below
[07:39] <Dr_willis> I think ya need to paste the xorg.conf to pastebin and let some people look at it.
[07:39] <gourdin> beryl and emerald don't work after last update
[07:39] <Dr_willis> The ideaof having a Driver "ati" line and a "Driver "fglrx" line - seems wrong.
[07:39] <gourdin> (kde 3.5.6 and libc)
[07:40] <soulrider> elyon225: its sudo apt-key add
[07:40] <soulrider> try
[07:40] <Dr_willis> last update? lastest updates ive seen are just for some apt packages, and  a few other things.
[07:40] <soulrider> sudo apt-key add -
[07:40] <soulrider> including that last -
[07:40] <soulrider> if you google the missing key youll probably get a nice howto on how to add it
[07:41] <Dr_willis> that easysource site tells how to do it i think
[07:41] <elyon225> soulrider: Ahh... got it.  Thank you :)
[07:41] <Dr_willis> !easysource
[07:41] <Thehound666> !pastebin
[07:41] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:41] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:41] <dethklok> Ok, I just typed;
[07:41] <dethklok> sudo mount /dev/hdc1 /media/windows
[07:41] <dethklok> And now there is a lock on the folder? How do I set permissions?
[07:41] <HymnToLife> !ntfs | dethklok
[07:41] <ubotu> dethklok: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions. For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[07:41] <Dr_willis> dethklok,  for windows filesystems you mount them with the proper umasks to set the permissions.
[07:41] <soulrider> dethklok: sudo chmor -R +x /media/windows
[07:42] <soulrider> chmod*
[07:42] <HymnToLife> soulrider, that definitely won't work
[07:42] <Dr_willis> soulrider,  hmm.. i dont think that works for the ntfs/vfat things.
[07:42] <soulrider> =/ really ?
[07:42] <Dr_willis> i like the followign url..
[07:42] <soulrider> :(
[07:42] <Dr_willis> Defacto NTFS (and works for Vfat as well) guide for your Fstab/mounting of NTFS partitions -->  http://wiki.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en#how_do_i_mount_an_ntfs_volume
[07:42] <Dr_willis> details a lot of the stuff.
[07:42] <dethklok> Ok, thanks guys
[07:42] <soulrider> i also suggest reading
[07:42] <HymnToLife> yeah, the problems are not file permissions but filesystem permisions
[07:42] <soulrider> !ntfs-3g
[07:42] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[07:42] <soulrider> ill be back later, see you everyone!
[07:43] <HymnToLife> and given that NTFS doesn't handle file permissions like Linux does, att the files on it have the same permissions as the whole filesytem, which cannot be changed whaen it is mounted
[07:43] <Thehound666> will someone fix pastebin?
[07:43] <HymnToLife> so the permissions need to be specified at mount-time for the whole filesystem
[07:43] <dethklok> Umm, I still don't have permision to open it... I guess I'll go to the link
[07:43] <HymnToLife> TheGateKeeper, there are lots of other pastebins for you tu use
[07:44] <Thehound666> I have js enabled
[07:44] <Thehound666> You appear to be spamming the pastebin. I hate spammers so I won't let you. If you're not attempting to spam, please enable javascript so you can pass the antispam check
[07:44] <TheGateKeeper> HymnToLife, ohhh another one taking my nick in vain
[07:44] <HymnToLife> sorry :p
[07:44] <jankovamartinka> hello
[07:44] <TheGateKeeper> :-)
[07:45] <Dr_willis> Ya need to change your nick to "DaGateKeeper"
[07:45] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:45] <TheGateKeeper> maybe
[07:45] <TheGateKeeper> :p
[07:45] <jankovamartinka> :o)
[07:45] <Dr_willis> or _________________TheGateKeeper
[07:45] <Thehound666> sorry I can't pastebin
[07:45] <Thehound666> the error won't give up
[07:45] <Dr_willis> google.com - pastebin   --> will show a dozen+ other sites to use
[07:46] <TheGateKeeper> Dr_willis, why doesn't (k)ubuntu put nopaste in the repos?
[07:47] <Dr_willis> !info nopaste
[07:47] <ubotu> Package nopaste does not exist in any distro I know
[07:47] <Dr_willis> i would guess that no one wants to maintain it
[07:47] <gigione> is there any drivers for canon pixma ip 1500 for kubuntu 6.10 amd64?
[07:47] <Dr_willis> !find paste
[07:47] <ubotu> Found: paste-common, python-paste, python-pastedeploy, python-pastescript
[07:47] <Dr_willis> gigione,  GOOD LUCK with that printer... - there are the comercial drivers out i think that may support it.
[07:48] <Dr_willis> gigione,  but no idea if they even have 64bit support.
[07:48] <Thehound666> ugly and the pastebin puts in the line numbers
[07:48] <gigione> thanks anyway
[07:48] <TheGateKeeper> gentoo have it in their repos
[07:48] <Thehound666> not my xorg.conf
[07:48] <Thehound666> http://pastebin.com/865900
[07:48] <TheGateKeeper> very usefull
[07:49] <Thehound666> this is the unbootable xorg because of "ati"
[07:49] <Dr_willis> Hmm the !paste url seems to be borked. i cant paste anythuing there either.
[07:50] <Dr_willis> !paste
[07:50] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:50] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. worked with Opera but not firefox..
[07:50] <MidMark> gigione: if you cannot use vendor driver try these -> http://mambo.kuhp.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~takushi/#canon
[07:50] <MidMark> for my 4200 under 32 bit they works
[07:51] <Thehound666> anyone check the link yet?
[07:52] <Thehound666> this is the most nightmarish install I have ever done for any hardware/os
[07:52] <Thehound666> problem don't want to budge
[07:52] <cntb> where in KDE can I edit frub menu.lst ?
[07:53] <gigione> can't find libcnbj-2.5
[07:53] <dethklok> !ntfs | dethklok
[07:53] <ubotu> dethklok: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions. For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[07:53] <Dr_willis> Thehound666,  thts your original xorg.conf ? i dont know why it has 2 device sections.
[07:53] <Dr_willis> looks like the bottom one has just been tacked on.
[07:54] <Thehound666> yes
[07:54] <Thehound666> it had 2
[07:54] <Thehound666> xorg.conf.orig it was
[07:54] <Thehound666> among the backups
[07:55] <gourdin> last update broke beryl (kde 3.5.6 , libc)
[07:55] <Thehound666> so any fixes for my xorg before I snap a 200 card in half?
[07:55] <cntb> where in KDE can I edit frub menu.lst ?
[07:56] <HymnToLife> gourdin, KDE 3.5.6 ?
[07:56] <cntb> *grub
[07:56] <Dr_willis> Thehound666,  i would boot a live cd and look at  its xorg.conf
[07:56] <Dr_willis> Thehound666,  i also edited that file and updated it.. with some comments.
[07:56] <Thehound666> it gets 3 fps
[07:56] <Dr_willis> I got to go to work now.. so good look
[07:56] <gourdin> HymnToLife: tests packages
[07:56] <Dr_willis> enough with the lame whining about 3 fps. :)
[07:56] <HymnToLife> well, don't be surprised it broke something then
[07:56] <Dr_willis> More learning, less whining.
[07:56] <Dr_willis> byee
[07:56] <gourdin> HymnToLife: kde broke beryl ?
[07:56] <Thehound666> well I been dealing with it for 12 hours
[07:57] <gourdin> i don't see the relation
[07:57] <Thehound666> no answers that fixed it
[07:57] <HymnToLife> gourdin, test packages can break anything
[07:57] <cntb> where can
[07:57] <cntb> I edit grub thru GUI
[07:57] <gourdin> HymnToLife: if gimp broke firefox, it seems weird to me, even if I choose to install gimp-beta
[07:58] <HymnToLife> cntb, kdesu kwrite /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:58] <paulinster> Hi Alll, I just upgraded from dapper to edgy and now I am having some issues with my xserver ...  When booting my system I am stuck to the commande prompt. Even after I login and tried to load X by typing startx or startkde, I couldn't get to it
[07:58] <jhutchins> I get almost 6,000 fps - as long as glxgears is minimized.
[07:59] <paulinster> Anyone can help with this xserver dapper-edgy upgrade issue
[07:59] <Thehound666> great I can't connect to that site now
[07:59] <Thehound666> to see his edits
[08:00] <Thehound666> now what
[08:02] <Thehound666> so what do I need to learn to fix this?
[08:02] <francesco> hello
[08:02] <Thehound666> I need my nix up and am very tired
[08:02] <francesco> hallo all the peapol hier
[08:02] <francesco> peaple
[08:03] <Tonren> How do I set my default browser to Firefox instead of Konqueror?
[08:04] <francesco> howto install automatix on feisty?
[08:05] <shadowhywind> i was wondering what is the command to check swap/ram memory from the console
[08:06] <dethklok> Whoo, I figured it out... I guess using dapper makes it a heck of a lot easier :)
[08:07] <TopDawg216> 1st Question:  How do I disable notifications of people entering and leaving the channel?
[08:07] <francesco> shadowhywind -->> you can use the   free command    type  free
[08:07] <DjDarkman> hy ,can someone tell me how can I set up enviorment variables?
[08:07] <shadowhywind> thansk thats the command iw as lookin for
[08:08] <TopDawg216> 2nd Question:  Is Ubuntu/Kubuntu only compatable with Firefox 1.5?
[08:08] <dethklok> !firefox | TopDawg216
[08:08] <ubotu> TopDawg216: firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[08:09] <TopDawg216> thanks :)
[08:10] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:10] <francesco> eny idea how  can i install automatix for feisty
[08:11] <TopDawg216> any advice on the 1st question, anyone?
[08:11] <francesco> nee some codec for play mpg4 files
[08:11] <tidalwav1> Hi, all, can anyone reccomend any apps for Kubuntu/Ubuntu that could turn a PCI wireless card into an access point, assuming the computer also has an ethernet connection?
[08:11] <Thehound666> ok tell me flat out, is all newer hardware not supported?
[08:12] <Thehound666> seems I have no issue with a 10 year computer
[08:12] <Thehound666> 10 year old
[08:13] <Thehound666> but this computer is impossible to run Kubuntu properly on
[08:13] <Thehound666> except within VMWare
[08:13] <kub25> Hi all:D
[08:13] <Thehound666> if anyone can tell me for sure if my card is supported, that'd be nice
[08:14] <Thehound666> I been getting conflicting reports
[08:15] <Thehound666> I can visit 2 Linux forums and 1 says yes 1 says no
[08:15] <Thehound666> far as if my card is supported
[08:16] <francesco> Thehound666 --> use this command: lspci
[08:16] <Thehound666> what's it do?
[08:16] <Thehound666> my nix is still unbootable till I reset the xorg file
[08:16] <francesco> show you if card is supported or installed
[08:17] <Millow> hello
[08:17] <Thehound666> in xorg it sees ati but doesn't give the model
[08:17] <francesco> hmm....
[08:17] <Thehound666> and autoselects vesa driver if I leave it be
[08:18] <Millow> can anyone help me sort out a little network problem
[08:18] <Millow> looks like my networkadapters, wlan and lan is working
[08:18] <frojnd> I am HAVING problem setting up my keyboard
[08:18] <Millow> but they don't take any IP from the router
[08:18] <Thehound666> but you can't get sites?
[08:18] <frojnd> I cant find some words or letters couse I cant set up layout to slovene :S
[08:18] <Thehound666> disable ipv6
[08:18] <francesco> Thehound: are you talking about graphic or wireless card ?
[08:19] <frojnd> in xorg there is layout setup to si
[08:19] <Thehound666> graphics
[08:19] <frojnd> but isnt working
[08:19] <Millow> just disable pv6, how?
[08:19] <Millow> ipv6
[08:19] <Thehound666> feel like I wasted my money on this card since I was hoping to trash windows
[08:20] <francesco> is an ati or nvidia card
[08:20] <Millow> I also can't use WPA with the WLAn Assistant that follows the system?
[08:20] <Thehound666> oh god I forget that one. my old connection objected to ipv6
[08:20] <Thehound666> and I had your symptom
[08:20] <Thehound666> ati
[08:20] <Thehound666> ATI Radeon x1950PRO
[08:21] <dethklok> doubleu tee eff, why does firefox keep freezing!!!
[08:21] <Thehound666> came out late last year
[08:21] <francesco> you shold use the driver from ati.com site for linux and build package for ubuntu
[08:21] <Thehound666> it has a self installer
[08:21] <Thehound666> seems to change nothing
[08:21] <francesco> not for ubuntu
[08:21] <Thehound666> even though it says installed
[08:21] <Millow> How do I get the wlan to work?
[08:22] <Millow> could that be the IPv6 too?
[08:22] <francesco> ubuntu dont install commercial driver
[08:22] <Millow> I find my wlan network and fix the settings for it but then I only get Connection Failed
[08:22] <Thehound666> ok the driver is in there(I think)
[08:22] <Thehound666> how do I use it?
[08:23] <francesco> the driver?
[08:23] <Thehound666> from the ati site
[08:23] <Thehound666> it made no difference
[08:23] <Thehound666> I used the .run script and followed it
[08:23] <Thehound666> said the driver was installed
[08:23] <Thehound666> but my xorg still said vesa
[08:24] <jhutchins> I have a $35 card I bought three or four years ago, works great.  You could probably get it on eBay for $10 these days.
[08:24] <francesco_> test
[08:24] <Hoxxin> what can be wrong, im installing kubuntu and after the blue bar that goes back and forth the monitor goes to standby mode and nothing happens??
[08:24] <Thehound666> so what should I do? throw out a 200 card?
[08:25] <Thehound666> I don't think so
[08:25] <jhutchins> Thehound666: Sell it.
[08:25] <francesco_> :)))
[08:25] <Maxi`> hi
[08:25] <Thehound666> I need a good card for dual boot though
[08:25] <jhutchins> Thehound666: Buy one that has explicit, stable, doccumented open source drivers.
[08:25] <Thehound666> since I play games
[08:26] <jhutchins> They're out there.
[08:26] <jhutchins> Thehound666: Contribute to the driver project.
[08:26] <Thehound666> ?
[08:26] <Millow> could anyone help me with my network problem?
[08:27] <Millow> ;)
[08:27] <dethklok> Humm, editing my myspace profile works in konquorer but not firefox? wtf
[08:27] <Thehound666> how old do my hardware need be?
[08:27] <Thehound666> seem a pentium 3+geforce fx 5200 work perfect
[08:27] <jhutchins> Thehound666: Could be brand new, as long as it has support.
[08:27] <Thehound666> but I'd shoot myself using something that old all the time
[08:28] <Thehound666> I suppose a high end gamer's card has no chance?
[08:28] <jhutchins> I'll bet you could post a bounty for a driver.
[08:28] <Thehound666> to get community support
[08:29] <jhutchins> Thehound666: Do some research.
[08:29] <jhutchins> FInd a card that's supported.
[08:29] <jhutchins> Or wait and contribute to the driver project.
[08:29] <gabrieldain> Hey, i'm having a problem with compiling sources. Every package i ./configure returns this error: "configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[08:29] <gabrieldain> ". got any idea?
[08:29] <Hoxxin> why does my monitor go in standby mode during the beginning of installation? it goes to standby after the screen with the progress bar and kubuntu logo
[08:29] <Thehound666> this card is only a month old, I'd rather use Windows than buy another card within 1 month
[08:30] <Thehound666> I'm limited on cash
[08:30] <hund_> can i make a kubuntu desktop a gateway to a windows xp laptop?
[08:30] <francesco_> gabrieldain: have you install all needed c++ lib
[08:30] <jhutchins> Thehound666: Not as limited as I am if you can afford a card like that.
[08:31] <gabrieldain> francesco, well, nonce of the packages mention any dependencies, so I imagine so
[08:31] <Thehound666> so driver bounty?
[08:31] <dethklok> Quick HTML question, I want the image on the background to not stay in the top left corner... I want it to move down when you scroll down the page...
[08:31] <Thehound666> I pay someone to code4 one?
[08:31] <francesco_> gabrieldain: which package are you try to compile
[08:32] <Tonren> dethklok: google "css image static scroll"
[08:32] <dethklok> Tonren, kthx
[08:32] <gabrieldain> francesco_, right now its the baghira theme for KDE, but it happened with others. I can't remember what they were right now
[08:32] <hund_> can i make a kubuntu desktop a gateway to a windows xp laptop?
[08:33] <francesco_> You need to install cpp (c preprocessor) that's why you get the /lib/cpp error
[08:33] <Thehound666> well only comparable card is 7900 GTX(actually a bit slower), for the sake of arguement, if I bought one. Would I be able to use it?
[08:33] <gabrieldain> francesco_, I egt a sanity check, meaning the package is there. I have checked and reinstalled cpp just in case it was a build error, but the error remains
[08:34] <Millow> anyone good at network in kubuntu?
[08:34] <francesco_> wish g++ version are you using?
[08:35] <TopDawg216> dethklok:  BODY {background-image:url(myimage.gif); background-attachment: fixed;}
[08:35] <Thehound666> someone recommended a radeon 9200. I can't see myself using one of those to boot into windows and play Oblivion
[08:35] <Thehound666> lol
[08:35] <gabrieldain> 4.1.2
[08:36] <gabrieldain> francesco_, 4.1.2
[08:36] <francesco_> please wait i check on my pc
[08:36] <boss_78> hellp
[08:37] <Thehound666> I must say that's laughable
[08:37] <Thehound666> ?
[08:37] <boss_78> do you know the graphic board called "S3 Savage4"?
[08:37] <francesco_> try --->>   sudo apt-get install build-essential
[08:37] <melange> I just installed eclipse - however, when i try to start it I get this: http://bottiger.com/paste/FBNb5IqtSAy1ZyqnN66o
[08:37] <melange> what does that mean?
[08:37] <Thehound666> well my graphic board karma is bad
[08:38] <Thehound666> what seems to be the issue
[08:38] <gabrieldain> francesco_, doing that now
[08:38] <Hoxxin> why does my monitor go in standby mode during the beginning of installation? it goes to standby after the screen with the progress bar and kubuntu logo
[08:38] <Martiini> hey .. can anyone, please , help me troubleshoot my ati driver install .. Ive installed ati driver pack .. but glxinfo says mesa
[08:38] <gabrieldain> francesco_, that fixed it, thank you very much :)
[08:39] <francesco_> gabrieldain: no problem ;)
[08:39] <Thehound666> another in the ati can't run on Kubuntu camp. Maybe we'll see a driver soon
[08:39] <Thehound666> :)
[08:39] <gabrieldain> francesco_, tho I get a new error now. "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[08:39] <gabrieldain> ". Where am I supposed to enter the paths?
[08:39] <hund_> can i make a kubuntu desktop a gateway to a windows xp laptop??
[08:40] <gabrieldain> hund_, do you mean network gateway? if so, then yes
[08:40] <hund_> yes
[08:40] <hund_> i want the laptop to connect to the net trough the kubuntu pc
[08:40] <Thehound666> Martiini: I've dealt with that driver pack for 12 hours with no luck. I think it's hopeless by traditional means. Maybe we'll see a modded version soon(I hope)
[08:41] <francesco_> gabrieldain:
[08:41] <francesco_> i think you have also to install these two packages:
[08:41] <francesco_> x-dev
[08:41] <francesco_> libx11-dev
[08:41] <hund_> how do i do that?
[08:41] <Thehound666> the one on ati.amd.com right?
[08:41] <gabrieldain> francesco_, doing that now
[08:41] <Thehound666> it only promises to work on fedora and suse
[08:42] <gabrieldain> francesco_, nope, same error
[08:42] <Hoxxin> doesnt anyone have a solution/idea to my problem? :'(
[08:42] <francesco_> and install kdebase-dev
[08:42] <francesco_> shold work!!
[08:42] <TopDawg216> Hoxxin:  Let me do a little research to see if I can come up with anything.  Please be patient :o)
[08:43] <Hoxxin> TopDawg216 ok tnx
[08:43] <gabrieldain> francesco_, I hope. its 90mb of downloads, be back when its done
[08:43] <Thehound666> during install? I'd know what to do if upon boot
[08:43] <Hoxxin> im running a dvd check now
[08:43] <Thehound666> but during install..strange
[08:43] <Thehound666> I have no idea
[08:44] <dethklok> I'm bored, whats there fun to do on linux when your bored?
[08:44] <gabrieldain> dethklok, kernel hacking ;)
[08:44] <Hoxxin> dethklok lots of free games :D
[08:44] <dethklok> gabrieldain, Eh, I'd most likely break stuff
[08:44] <gabrieldain> dethklok, kidding. Games, whatever you do elsewhere
[08:44] <dethklok> Hoxxin, I have all the KDEGames installed... not to impressed :-p lol
[08:44] <gabrieldain> francesco_, ok, that did it, cheers ;)
[08:45] <hatta> learn things
[08:45] <hatta> there's always something to learn
[08:45] <dethklok> hatta, teach me something :-D
[08:45] <Hoxxin> dethklok ye well :D
[08:45] <gabrieldain> dethklok, optimize your system
[08:45] <hatta> http://www.bioperl.org/Core/Latest/bptutorial.html
[08:45] <dethklok> gabrieldain, I don't know what the mean... lol
[08:45] <Thehound666> well VMWare's dead horse of ogl support is better than 3 fps
[08:45] <Hoxxin> dethklok go find new themes :)
[08:45] <hatta> I've been playing with that recently
[08:45] <gabrieldain> dethklok, lets me.... a good thing to teach... mmm, emacs is evil
[08:45] <cntb> what is the cube rotate in beryl ? mouse plus what?
[08:45] <Thehound666> VMWare seems my best alternative
[08:45] <TopDawg216> Hoxxin:  I couldn't find anything.  SOrry :(
[08:45] <Thehound666> for now
[08:45] <hund_> how do i connect the 2 pcs then? i have all the hardware i just need to config inkubuntu
[08:46] <dethklok> gabrieldain, Lol, aren't all mac's evil?
[08:46] <dethklok> lol
[08:46] <Hoxxin> TopDawg216 ok tnx anyway
[08:46] <gabrieldain> dethklok, no, emacs, as in the editor
[08:46] <dethklok> gabrieldain, I don't read much... hehe
[08:46] <gabrieldain> dethklok, the text editor. same as word processor
[08:47] <gabrieldain> deth look it up
[08:47] <dethklok> gabrieldain, oic, text editor.. not like literature editor
[08:47] <gabrieldain> dethklok, yup
[08:47] <hund_> ...
[08:47] <dethklok> i use gedit... so w/e
[08:47] <tikal26> hello, I am looking for some help ocncerning konqueror in kubuntu
[08:47] <dethklok> !emacs
[08:47] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[08:47] <gabrieldain> dethklok, vim ;)
[08:47] <dethklok> !vim
[08:47] <dethklok> :(
[08:47] <gabrieldain> !code
[08:47] <ubotu> Programming editors/suites: Terminal-based: vi/vim, emacs - KDE: Kate, KDevelop, Quanta+, Umbrello - GNOME: gvim, gedit, anjuta, eclipse, pida
[08:48] <dethklok> !html
[08:48] <ubotu> html is HyperText Markup Language, used to build webpages. Editors in Ubuntu: Bluefish, Quanta+, Screem, and Nvu. For howto on HTML coding, see: http://www.w3schools.com
[08:48] <hund_> how do i connect the 2 pcs then? i have all the hardware i just need to config the kubuntu side
[08:49] <dethklok> lol
[08:49] <dethklok> !death
[08:49] <dethklok> !clocks
[08:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about death - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about clocks - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:49] <dethklok> !futurama
[08:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about futurama - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:49] <dethklok> !adultswim
[08:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adultswim - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:49] <Theory> !spam
[08:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about spam - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:49] <dethklok> lol
[08:50] <Hoxxin> TopDawg216: could it be same prob as this? : http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=513471
[08:50] <firecrotch> !botabuse
[08:50] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[08:50] <Theory> ah, that's the one :-)
[08:50] <dethklok> !bot
[08:50] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[08:50] <dethklok> pff, he dosent even know what futurama is...
[08:51] <dethklok> they should rename ubotu to anna
[08:51] <dethklok> !themes
[08:51] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[08:52] <francesco> test
[08:53] <AHinMaine> could anyone help me on how to install firefox on kubuntu?  it gives me an error about breaking a package or something when I try...
[08:54] <AHinMaine> (i just installed kubuntu 6.10 moments ago...)
[08:54] <francesco> there is alredy install firefox on kubunut? look on menu ---> internet --- firefox ?
[08:54] <jhutchins> dethklok: You know, that's very annoying.  It fills up the scrollbuffer and effictively keeps other people from having antyhing resembling a conversation.
[08:54] <francesco> or use :  sudo apt-get install firefox
[08:54] <AHinMaine> nope.  just konq.
[08:55] <firecrotch> Isn't it possible to just /msg ubotu and have it answer you privately?
[08:55] <firecrotch> I mean, if you have nothing better to do than talk to a bot :)
[08:56] <AHinMaine>    The following packages have unmet dependencies:   libmyspell3c2 but it is not installable
[08:56] <francesco> go to --> console
[08:56] <AHinMaine> already am
[08:56] <dethklok> jhutchins, yeah for sure... thus why i stopped ;)
[08:56] <francesco> than -->  cd /etc/apt/source.list
[08:56] <AHinMaine> and when I try gaim, I get....  E: Package gaim has no installation candidate
[08:57] <francesco> uncomment all repository # deb.....
[08:57] <AHinMaine> including the backport entries?
[08:57] <Martiini> AHinMaine: start with ubuntuguide.org
[08:58] <francesco> yes
[08:58] <gan|y|med> hi
[08:59] <firecrotch> Hi, gan|y|med
[08:59] <gan|y|med> is there any messaging programme that is capable of using webcams?
[08:59] <jhutchins> gan|y|med: There was gaim, but it's forked into a new project.
[08:59] <firecrotch> I think kopete has support for webcams with MSN
[08:59] <Martiini> heh .. ubuntuguide.org start pages have been edited into russian
[09:00] <jhutchins> Martiini: Won't even load for me.
[09:00] <randb> hey, all done
[09:00] <randb> :)
[09:00] <gan|y|med> msn is not really what i aspire to, but thx
[09:00] <Thehound666> 1 more thing guys since I'm reverting, ntfileloader was replaced by grub, how do I make it boot xp by default?
[09:01] <gan|y|med> i have heard about that fork of gaim, because the gaim maintainer seems to refuse to insert the code into the project. but is it available for ubuntu (as deb)?
[09:01] <randb> how do i install proper nvidia drivers, so i can use my tv out?
[09:01] <jhutchins> Thehound666: edit menu.list and make xp the default.
[09:01] <dethklok> what happens if upower isnt installed on my next start up? will the pc freak out and shut down?
[09:01] <dethklok> !upower
[09:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about upower - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:02] <jhutchins> dethklok: Try google instead of the bot./
[09:02] <Thehound666> menu.list what directory?
[09:02] <jhutchins> Thehound666: probably /boot
[09:02] <jhutchins> possibly /boot/grub
[09:02] <genjix> any ideas why kubuntu livecd boots up to a kde session here, but on another computer I get black and white screen with:
[09:02] <genjix> BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-2ubuntu3) Built-in shell (ash)
[09:02] <genjix> Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.
[09:02] <genjix> /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
[09:02] <genjix> (initramfs) _
[09:02] <Martiini> jhutchins: locate menu.list
[09:02] <Martiini> in terminal
[09:03] <genjix> ? Its got me stumped and I'm trying to switch away from gentoo :)
[09:03] <AHinMaine> i'm switching away from suse 10.2....   pita....
[09:03] <jhutchins> genjix: Looks like you might have some hardware issues, that looks like single user mode or rescue mode.
[09:03] <firecrotch> it's /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:03] <Martiini> Thehound666: locate menu.list in terminal
[09:04] <genjix> damn...
[09:04] <jhutchins> AHinMaine: Ok, you're not trying to upgrade, are you?  You're doing a clean install?
[09:04] <jhutchins> genjix: you too?
[09:04] <AHinMaine> yep.  fresh.  repart, refmt...
[09:05] <jhutchins> AHinMaine: Anything in particular you're having trouble with?
[09:05] <AHinMaine> just getting firefox and gaim installed.
[09:05] <AHinMaine> I'm on the repository step from ubuntuguide.org right now.
[09:05] <Thehound666> title		Microsoft Windows XP Professional
[09:05] <Thehound666> root		(hd0,0)
[09:05] <Thehound666> savedefault
[09:05] <Thehound666> makeactive
[09:05] <Thehound666> chainloader	+1
[09:06] <AHinMaine> i'm just wondering if it's missing some gnome crap that might not be installed by default on kubuntu...
[09:06] <Thehound666> what do I want to edit?
[09:06] <jhutchins> Is that the whole file?
[09:06] <Thehound666> no
[09:06] <jhutchins> DON'T PASTE IT!
[09:06] <francesco> test
[09:06] <Thehound666> just the xp entry
[09:06] <jhutchins> paste it to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[09:07] <gan|y|med> any other ideas about webcam support in (k)ubuntu? is there any programme, preferably as a deb?
[09:07] <jhutchins> gan|y|med: Have you tried kopete and gaim?
[09:07] <firecrotch> Thehound666: Near the top of the file, there should be a line that says "deafult 0" -- just change the 0 to the number of the menu entry that you want to be the default
[09:07] <francesco> gan|y|med : try to install icq for windows with wine?
[09:07] <gan|y|med> gaim doesn't support as far as i know, onle the fork of it. and i don't know anything about kopete, that's why i am asking
[09:08] <jhutchins> francesco: I don't think that's a good idea.
[09:08] <francesco> why?
[09:08] <gan|y|med> francesco: no way! icq is a horrible piece of software
[09:08] <jhutchins> gan|y|med: I didn't ask if you thought it worked, I asked if you'd tried it.
[09:08] <gan|y|med> but thx anyway
[09:08] <Thehound666> 3 correct?
[09:09] <Thehound666> default=0
[09:09] <gan|y|med> no, because before installing i though i'd better ask so that i don't need to install one after the other
[09:09] <jhutchins> Thehound666: How woudl we know?
[09:09] <AHinMaine> i've never laid hands on any debian related distro...   so this is pretty new for me...   i'm only versed in solaris, freebsd, with some redhat and (recently) suse thrown in...
[09:09] <Thehound666> I don't know how I'd know
[09:09] <Thehound666> lol
[09:09] <Thehound666> xp is listed last
[09:09] <jhutchins> Did you see where I asked you to paste it to pastebin?
[09:09] <Thehound666> among 4 options
[09:09] <hund_> how can i configure kubunto to be a gateway to internet?
[09:10] <Thehound666> if it works this time
[09:10] <Thehound666> always accuses me of spamming
[09:10] <jhutchins> hund_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[09:10] <jhutchins> WHoops.
[09:10] <gan|y|med> hund_ search for ip forwarding in google
[09:10] <jhutchins> hund_: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/
[09:10] <jhutchins> hund_: Everything you need to know.
[09:10] <hund_> thanks
[09:10] <gan|y|med> this is better, of course
[09:11] <dethklok> omfg, firefox like totally suck
[09:11] <dethklok> s
[09:11] <jhutchins> Many people have said so.
[09:11] <jhutchins> Usually they don't know what they're doing.
[09:11] <gan|y|med> quiet cold in here...
[09:11] <dethklok> I usually say it dosen't either... but it just keeps crashing and freezing
[09:12] <firecrotch> dethklok: the only time Fx crashes for me is when I go to sites with horrible javascript that gets stuck in a neverending loop
[09:13] <Thehound666> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2658/
[09:13] <Thehound666> took four consecutive pushes to get it through
[09:13] <dethklok> firecrotch, Fx? Never heard it called that before.... But yeah, It seems to crash randomly when I change themes and when I'm on myspace or gmail :-p
[09:14] <elyon225> Hey, guys.  I'm going to attempt to install a web server on this machine.  Doesn't need to serve a LOT of bandwidth, but I would like it to be available all the time.  I'd like to install some sort of content server for a personal blog.  Could someone please point me in the right direction for getting it all setup?  I'm running Kubuntu Edgy.
[09:14] <firecrotch> dethklok: That's the official abbreviation for Firefox :)
[09:15] <jhutchins> Thehound666: So what made you think 3 might be correct?
[09:15] <jhutchins> Thehound666: What migh happen if you are wrong?
[09:15] <Thehound666> it defaults at 0 to boot Kubuntu
[09:15] <Thehound666> so 3 entries down from it is xp
[09:15] <jhutchins> So that gives the impression that it number entries starting at 0.
[09:15] <jhutchins> Thehound666: What would happen if you were wrong?
[09:16] <Thehound666> no idea
[09:16] <firecrotch> elyon225: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP should help :)
[09:16] <jhutchins> I can think of two possibilities:
[09:16] <jhutchins> 1) It boots to something other than XP.
[09:16] <jhutchins> 2) It doesn't boot.
[09:16] <elyon225> firecrotch: Thank you.  Do you have any particular blog software you'd recommend?  I've heard WordPress is good, but it's not free, is it?
[09:17] <jhutchins> Thehound666: What do you do if possibility 2 happens?
[09:17] <Thehound666> ok then so how do I be sure?
[09:17] <Thehound666> 2 would be disaster
[09:17] <firecrotch> elyon225: WordPress is free, but I would recommend against it.  I'd write my own :)
[09:17] <jhutchins> Thehound666: You reboot.
[09:17] <jhutchins> Thehound666: Not really.  You would use your kubuntu CD as a rescue boot disk.
[09:17] <elyon225> firecrotch: Okay, YOU would write your own.  What would you recommend for the NON-VB programmer? ;)
[09:17] <jhutchins> Thehound666: You would mount your /boot partition (or /), edit the menu file again, and try again.
[09:18] <Theory> wordpress is free
[09:18] <Theory> at the moment I'm using s9y
[09:18] <Thehound666> is there official word on what number is what?
[09:18] <firecrotch> elyon225: WordPress isn't too bad, it's highly customizable and easy to use.  It's just that there are some problems with it when your blog gets a lot of hits
[09:18] <elyon225> firecrotch: Well, I have about 2 friends, so I think I'll be safe ;)
[09:19] <francesco> <<<--- bye bye
[09:19] <firecrotch> elyon225: Yeah, just don't expect it to hold up if you get dugg or something
[09:19] <jhutchins> Thehound666: see at the top of the file where it says "See: grub(8)"?
[09:19] <AHinMaine> heh, i finally combined the /etc/apt/sources.list with the default as well as the ones from ubuntuguide.org and NOW i'm finally getting somewhere...
[09:19] <firecrotch> Thehound666: You want it set to 4
[09:19] <jhutchins> AHinMaine: You'll find once you get it right it's MUCH better than SuSE's online sources.
[09:20] <jhutchins> firecrotch: No he doesn't.
[09:20] <jhutchins> firecrotch: There is no 4.
[09:20] <firecrotch> He has a total of 5 menu entries
[09:20] <tom_> hello
[09:21] <firecrotch> jhutchins: He has a divider on line 141/142, which counts as an entry :)
[09:21] <jhutchins> firecrotch: Ubuntu, recovery, memtest, XP.
[09:21] <jhutchins> firecrotch: Ah, so he does.
[09:21] <Hard_Wired> I've just installed Edgy AMD64 and Adept has greyed out anything not already installed?
[09:22] <jhutchins> Hm. He's gone anyway.
[09:22] <firecrotch> jhutchins: so did he set it to 3 and try to reboot?
[09:22] <jhutchins> So he'll get memtest86.
[09:22] <jhutchins> Of course, rather than use the rescue CD, he could just use the bootmenu.
[09:22] <AHinMaine> oh brother....  the only .deb version of gaim available is 2.0.0beta3, almost 10 months out of date...
[09:23] <firecrotch> He'll get the divider, which won't boot, so it will fall back to whatever his fallback is stet to
[09:23] <dethklok> !changethemes
[09:23] <ubotu> [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[09:23] <jhutchins> AHinMaine: http://www.debuntu.org/gaim-2.0.0beta5-edgy-eft-feisty-fawn
[09:24] <jhutchins> firecrotch: Ah.
[09:24] <AHinMaine> sweet.  thanx man.
[09:24] <jhutchins> lilo uses the actual label for each entry (must be unique).
[09:24] <firecrotch> jhutchins: He doesn't have a fallback entry... so he'll be gone for a while until he figures out how to get into his system
[09:24] <emil> hello
[09:24] <firecrotch> Hello, emil
[09:25] <elyon225> Hey, is it possible to redefine what my mouse buttons do? I have a middle button and two side buttons (that currently do nothing)
[09:25] <dethklok> How do I reinstall something that isn't on apt-get?
[09:25] <jhutchins> firecrotch: Well, he does have a boot menu.  If he can't figure that out...
[09:25] <emil> Can someone help me out a bit
[09:25] <emil> totally new in Kubuntu
[09:25] <jhutchins> elyon225: Yes.  One place is in your xorg.conf file.
[09:25] <firecrotch> jhutchins: Oh, yeah...
[09:26] <elyon225> jhutchins: Okay, I'll look into that.  Thank you.
[09:26] <devilsadvocate> oin #ubunut-in
[09:26] <jhutchins> emil: Pretend we're Vulcans.  We won't respond to idle chatter, but if you ask a direct question we will respond if we have anything to say.
[09:26] <firecrotch> elyon225: You'll need to figure out what code the side buttons send to the system using xev
[09:27] <firecrotch> elyon225: then map those to a specific action
[09:27] <jhutchins> elyon225: I don't think the GUI configuration tools offer much with that.
 do you mean that adept has greyed out everything not already installed?
[09:27] <elyon225> jhutchins: No, I looked at GUI first but didn't see anything.
[09:27] <devilsadvocate> i'm having problems running gtk-apps on kubuntu - non of the text shows up on the menus, buttons, etc
[09:27] <elyon225> firecrotch: Okay, I'll give her a shot.
[09:27] <firecrotch> The GUI sucks for anything other than a normal 2 button mouse
[09:28] <dethklok> Hard_Wired, No, like, its called Upower... and I read how to uninstall it and then reinstall it... but when I got to the step to reinstall the guide then told me "oh yeah, this project has been canceled so you can't reinstall it but here is the respitory"
[09:28] <emil> isnt there an application that can install apps for you,
[09:28] <emil> Like installing FireFox
[09:28] <dethklok> emil, apt-get ?
[09:28] <emil> search for firefox in the app and the just Install
[09:29] <emil> ok, yeah?
[09:29] <emil> I have never used linux before
[09:29] <dethklok> emil, sudo apt-get install firefox
[09:29] <bfdhud> What is a good alternative to audacity?
[09:29] <emil> ok ty
[09:29] <elyon225> Alright...another stupid question.  How do I find out my host name with a konsole?
[09:29] <AHinMaine> type hostname
[09:29] <emil> Couldnt find the installation package
[09:29] <posingaspopular> emil: new ubuntu users, yay!
[09:29] <emil> :)
[09:30] <posingaspopular> it isn't sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox ?
[09:30] <dethklok> emil, sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:30] <emil> and then?
[09:30] <Hard_Wired> I've just installed Edgy and Adept has greyed out everything not already instealled, i can't install anything?!
[09:30] <dethklok> emil, see the # , delete all of them infront of the respitories
[09:30] <elyon225> Hmm... hostname reports a name that MySql says doesn't exist.
[09:30] <jhutchins> emil: Try mozilla-firefox
[09:31] <dethklok> emil, then save and quit and try sudo apt-get install firefox agian
[09:31] <dethklok> dethklok, oh wait, you have to update first
[09:31] <dethklok> emil, so sudo apt-get update
[09:33] <emil> ok ty, updating...
[09:33] <emil> everytime I have to type sudo dhclient eth1 to get my wlan to work, and I can't use WPA either?
[09:34] <elyon225> Hard_Wired: You need to run that as root.  Did you enter your password when starting Adept?
[09:34] <jhutchins> emil: probably depends on what card you have.
[09:34] <emil> intel something... built in, in my laptop
[09:35] <firecrotch> emil: You're using Edgy? I think that it's a known bug in Edgy
[09:35] <dethklok> emil, how new is the laptop?
[09:36] <emil> one year in april
[09:36] <emil> I use the built in Wireless Assistant
[09:36] <dethklok> emil, yeah I don't know if something like that would have WPA, you might want to check with their website
[09:36] <firecrotch> emil: Maybe try KNetworkManager instead
[09:37] <dethklok> emil, and of corse you have to check to make sure you router even supports WPA
[09:38] <DjDarkman> properties_imp.cpp:(.text+0x52a): undefined reference to `libtorrent::torrent_info::~torrent_info()' ,what does this error mean?
[09:39] <vandenoever> hi anyone know a good usb headset for kubuntu edgy?
[09:40] <firecrotch> Does anyone know if Ragnarok Online works with wine?
[09:41] <bfdhud> Anyone willing to help me out with a problem?
[09:41] <firecrotch> bfdhud:  we're all willing to help if we can
[09:42] <bfdhud> I just installed Kubuntu last night, I was using adept installer to install Audacity
[09:43] <bfdhud> but when I launch the program I get an error saying "Error initializing I/O layer"
[09:43] <bfdhud> and nothing works.
[09:44] <bfdhud> Is there a KDE specific alternative to Audacity
[09:46] <firecrotch> bfdhud: not that I know of... I've always used audacity
[09:47] <bfdhud> Any idea what my error means then firecrotch?
[09:47] <bfdhud> I really have no idea how to troubleshoot linux.
[09:47] <emil> Wey got WPA to work =)
[09:47] <emil> with KNetworkManager
[09:48] <firecrotch> bfdhud: it seems to me as if audacity is having trouble using artsd (which is what handles audio input and output)
[09:48] <firecrotch> emil: Congrats :)
[09:48] <robinsw> Been asked a thousand times before probably, so...
[09:49] <robinsw> Can anybody direct me to the wiki page about .deb files?
[09:49] <robinsw> Need to install Skype if I want to shun Windows completely! :)
[09:49] <firecrotch> robinsw: Have you downloaded the .deb file already?
[09:49] <emil> firecrotch: ty
[09:49] <robinsw> Yeah, it's downloaded
[09:49] <robinsw> Just need to install it
[09:49] <emil> and I got FF too =)
[09:49] <firecrotch> emil: yw
[09:50] <firecrotch> robinsw: dpkg -i filename.deb
[09:50] <devilsadvocate> anyone here uses scigraphica on kubunut?
[09:50] <robinsw> Smashing, thanks
[09:50] <robinsw> devilsadvocate, is there a shiny GUI way of doing that?
[09:50] <TopDawg216> question...why is it that when I try to remove any included programs, it says that Kubuntu has to be removed?
[09:50] <bfdhud> Thanks firecrotch] 
[09:50] <robinsw> I'm thinking (takes a deep breath) InstallShield? (Ducks as tomatoes fly at him)
[09:50] <devilsadvocate> to do what robinsw
[09:50] <robinsw> To install Debian packages?
[09:50] <robinsw> :)
[09:51] <devilsadvocate> robinsw, double click :D
[09:51] <firecrotch> robinsw: if you right click the deb file, you can choose "Install"
[09:51] <emil> Can I get wow to work from kubuntu?
[09:51] <Rob-West> how can i make Kubuntu see my webcam
[09:51] <robinsw> Ah, thanks
[09:51] <robinsw> BRB
[09:51] <firecrotch> emil: I've heard of people getting WoW to work, search around http://appsdb.winehq.com
[09:52] <Rob-West> !webcams
[09:52] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[09:52] <firecrotch> emil: sorry, it's http://appdb.winehq.com
[09:52] <emil> hehe ok, well Ill need windows for work so no rush but
[09:52] <jhutchins> robinsw: There's also aptitude.
[09:53] <dethklok> !paste
[09:53] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:53] <TopDawg216> ! remove wvdial
[09:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about remove wvdial - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:53] <dethklok> Can somebody take a look at this ./configure print out please: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2670/
[09:54] <TopDawg216> damn...figured it would give me a tip that would work on all of the programs I want gone :(
[09:54] <dethklok> TopDawg216, what do you want gone?
[09:54] <firecrotch> dethklok: You need to tell it where X is installed
[09:54] <lupine_85> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[09:54] <lupine_85> so install xlibs-dev
[09:54] <lupine_85> !xlibs-dev
[09:54] <ubotu> xlibs-dev: X Window System client library development files transitional package. In component main, is extra. Version 1:7.1.1ubuntu6.2 (edgy), package size 17 kB, installed size 44 kB
[09:55] <lupine_85> or whatever it's transitional for
[09:55] <dethklok> I'm runnind dapper
[09:55] <TopDawg216> Well, there's a lot of extra stuff (got Kubuntu-desktop) that I dont need, and when I try to remove it, it says I have to remove Kubutnu-desktop too
[09:55] <dethklok> running*
[09:55] <lupine_85> doesn't matter
[09:55] <lupine_85> !info xlibs-dev dapper
[09:55] <ubotu> xlibs-dev: X Window System client library development files transitional package. In component main, is extra. Version 7.0.0-0ubuntu45 (dapper), package size 8 kB, installed size 36 kB
[09:55] <dethklok> TopDawg216, you can usually type sudo apt-get remove *packet name*
[09:55] <jhutchins> TopDawg216: Let it lie for a while, see if you don't end up using it.
[09:55] <firecrotch> TopDawg: You can safely remove Kubuntu-Desktop, since it's not a real package.  Just don't remove it's dependencies
[09:56] <dethklok> lupine_85, how do I tell it where X is?
[09:56] <fairman> Hi, how can i add my public IP adress? (I have local IP adress 10.107.... and i need to use both)
[09:56] <TopDawg216> well as of right now, I'm just testing everything on a dual boot.  Maybe later when I completely switch over I'll just format everything and start with a very basic version
[09:57] <TopDawg216> like kde-core or something
[09:57] <jhutchins> TopDawg216: What kindof stuff are you trying to remvoe.
[09:57] <lupine_85> dethklok: just install the package, re-run configure
[09:57] <TopDawg216> just random stuff that I don't need (there's a lot of things)
[09:57] <jhutchins> TopDawg216: The idea of KDE is that it's a pretty comprehensive software suite, includes a lot of stuff.
[09:57] <dethklok> lupine_85, i have tried, it gives the same thing over and over
[09:58] <firecrotch> TopDawg216: If you have the space, I would keep the stuff.  Never know when you might need it
[09:58] <jhutchins> If you want something stripped down, consider a simpler desktop environment like xfce.
[09:58] <lupine_85> in that case, ./configure --help
[09:58] <TopDawg216> cool
[09:58] <TopDawg216> thanks for all the advice everyone :)
[09:58] <jhutchins> dethklok: which X
[09:59] <jhutchins> In console.
[09:59] <dethklok> jhutchins, Lol, that makes no sense to me... Which X?
[09:59] <jhutchins> dethklok: What are you trying to build?
[10:00] <jhutchins> dethklok: In a console, type "which X" (without the quotes).  Hit return.
[10:00] <dethklok> I'm trying to install new themes... but it just came with a bunch of files that I have to compile I guess...
[10:00] <dethklok> tehpwn@tuxbox:~/Desktop/asdf/moodin$ which x
[10:00] <dethklok> tehpwn@tuxbox:~/Desktop/asdf/moodin$
[10:00] <jhutchins> dethklok: Did you read the README and INSTALL files?
[10:00] <firecrotch> dethklok:  you shouldn't have to compile anything to use a new theme...
[10:00] <dethklok> Yep
[10:01] <jhutchins> deth, not x, X.
[10:01] <lupine_85> it's after the X include files. they're in xlibs-dev
[10:01] <dethklok>  /usr/bin/X
[10:01] <emil> What's the default font for FF?
[10:01] <emil> this looks very strange compared to FF in XP
[10:01] <emil> ??
[10:01] <jhutchins> dethklok: "which" will report the path to any executable.
[10:02] <jhutchins> However, as lupine_85 said, it wants the include files (headers).
[10:02] <cntb> emil you add some fonts
[10:02] <dethklok> jhutchins, so try to configure again?
[10:02] <ninHer> hi all
[10:02] <emil> cntb: how?
[10:02] <test34> emil, I like bitstream charter
[10:02] <jhutchins> This is why most people stay away from compiling, you end up having to install a whole development environment.
[10:02] <cntb> wait
[10:02] <firecrotch> emil: it uses the default variable width font on your system
[10:03] <firecrotch> emil: You can change it in your Firefox preferences though
[10:03] <jhutchins> dethklok: If you can find it as a .deb you're better off.
[10:03] <E_mE> hi all...
[10:03] <dethklok> kk
[10:03] <posingaspopular> E_mE: what's good in the hood?
[10:03] <test34> emit: edit - preferences - content
[10:03] <firecrotch> dethklok: Or an RPM if no deb is available
[10:03] <E_mE> Is there a driver or so for 5 button Micosoft mice??
[10:03] <dethklok> Well I'm trying to install the "Moodin Enging"
[10:04] <E_mE> posingaspopular: lots of weed hidden in my hood =P
[10:04] <posingaspopular> E_mE: not the first time ive heard it
[10:04] <emil> firecroth: how and what should I change too, webpages dont look too good...
[10:04] <E_mE> posingaspopular: prob not the last ;)
[10:04] <posingaspopular> emil: did you change the resolution? did you use any skins or extenstions on FF? etc
[10:05] <firecrotch> E_mE: I've never been able to get my Microsucks 5 button mouse to work properly
[10:05] <E_mE> :(
[10:05] <dethklok> ACCIDENT!!!
[10:05] <dethklok> tehpwn@tuxbox:~$ sudo rm -rf /usr/bin/X
[10:05] <dethklok> tehpwn@tuxbox:~$ which X
[10:05] <dethklok> tehpwn@tuxbox:~$
[10:05] <firecrotch> E_mE: I haven't tried to get it working lately though
[10:06] <E_mE> firecrotch: ill go and browse around
[10:06] <firecrotch> emil: In firefox... Edit -> Preferences -> Content
[10:06] <dethklok> umm?
[10:06] <dethklok> help?
[10:07] <firecrotch> dethklok: You didn't really do that, did you? I hope not
[10:07] <maa> what do you need ??
[10:07] <jhutchins> E_mE: The regular microsoft driver should work, you may need to enable extra buttons in xorg.conf
[10:07] <cntb> emil look for msttffonts package
[10:07] <dethklok> firecrotch, yeah I really did........ I pushed Shift+Insert because I was trying to paste in the path to the files on my desktop
[10:08] <robinsw> Anybody else found that Skype with Windows works fine, but the microphone input on Linux is very very low?
[10:08] <firecrotch> dethklok: got a backup?
[10:08] <robinsw> Is there a mic boost option at all?
[10:08] <dethklok> nope
[10:08] <emil> cntb: where do I find it?
[10:08] <dethklok> firecrotch, nope
[10:08] <jhutchins> dethklok: You're probably going to need to reinstall xorg then.
[10:08] <devilsadvocate> robinsw, that would depend on your audio card, i believe
[10:08] <dethklok> jhutchins, can i apt-get that?
[10:09] <emil> posingaspopular: I have the right resolution and stuff
[10:09] <robinsw> devilsadvocate, that makes sense.
[10:09] <robinsw> Thanks, buddy.
[10:09] <cntb> emil try google in the meantime looking for it in help.ubuntu.com
[10:09] <firecrotch> dethklok:  You can, but first you'll have to uninstall it
[10:09] <posingaspopular> emil: can you post a screenshot?
[10:09] <rysiek|pl> hi all
[10:09] <emil> sure...
[10:09] <jhutchins> dethklok: It probably won't apt-get because it's already installed.
[10:09] <devilsadvocate> robinsw, i have a mic boost option, as do i have a whole bunch of controls i have no idea what use are of :P
[10:10] <dethklok> E: Couldn't find package xorg
[10:10] <jhutchins> dethklok: I don't know enough about apt/deb yet to tell you how to force it.  You might need to download the package that has /usr/bin/X in it and force install it with dpkg.
[10:10] <rysiek|pl> guys, if my localized ubuntu repo server (pl.archive.ubuntu.com) is down, and I *need* to install something, can I simply replace pl.archive.ubuntu.com with, say, en.archive.ubuntu.com in the sources.list file and go on?
[10:10] <dethklok> jhutchins, yeah that makes no sense to me at all
[10:10] <firecrotch> !tell me about xorg
[10:10] <cntb> emil also try http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/
[10:10] <DeadFishMan> dethklok: You just need to recreate the xorg.conf file from scratch? You can use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[10:10] <cntb> !ttf
[10:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ttf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:11] <jhutchins> DeadFishMan: He deleted /usr/bin/X.
[10:11] <cntb> !fonts
[10:11] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[10:11] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[10:11] <jhutchins> dethklok: Are you running dapper or edgy?
[10:11] <dethklok> dapper
[10:11] <DeadFishMan> jhutchins: Ouch!
[10:11] <eisma> how do i fix this: "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. "
[10:11] <cntb> emil there you go
[10:11] <jhutchins> Ok, you need to get someone who's also running dapper to email you /usr/bin/X.
[10:11] <cntb> !fonts |emil
[10:11] <ubotu> emil: Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[10:11] <hund_> can anyone help me configuring internal network?
[10:11] <firecrotch> eisma: run dpkg --configure -a ?
[10:12] <DeadFishMan> eisma: Did you try to simply run: dpkg --configure -a ?
[10:12] <jhutchins> eisma: you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. "
[10:12] <eisma> yes..
[10:12] <eisma> i did that
[10:12] <dethklok> jhutchins, seems like edgy is more popular anyways... should i just download that iso and install that?
[10:12] <eisma> and it's downloading flash from a website but doesn't do anything
[10:12] <cntb> emil sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[10:12] <hund_> i need help configuring kubuntu to let an internal network pc acess to the internet
[10:13] <cntb> also emil sudo apt-get install gsfonts
[10:13] <jhutchins> dethklok: Well, yeah.  People have had problems when they upgraded instead of doing a clean install, but you could do that.
[10:13] <HymnToLife> hund_, please be mlore precide, what kind of internet connection do you have ?
[10:13] <cntb> and emil sudo apt-get install gsfonts-x11
[10:13] <HymnToLife> more*
[10:13] <jhutchins> dethklok: Tell you what, there should be a /usr/bin/X on the Dapper CD.
[10:13] <dethklok> jhutchins, Yeah I mean a complete reinstall
[10:13] <dethklok> jhutchins, I did the Ship-It... does that help?
[10:14] <jhutchins> dethklok: Not unless you feel like the whole system is messed up.
[10:14] <hund_> i have an adsl connection. and i also have a lan.
[10:14] <firecrotch> jhutchins: I would have never thought of doing that
[10:14] <jhutchins> hund_: Didn't I give you the IP MASQ HOWTO earlier?
[10:14] <hund_> indeed
[10:14] <HymnToLife> hund_, do you have a router ? If so, you just need to configure your Ethernet interface
[10:14] <hund_> but i am a begginer
[10:14] <dethklok> jhutchins, well, kinda, there are a lot of things that I have messed up... like boot screen and network problems... (cuz im such a huge noob i guess)
[10:14] <hund_> no i don't have any router
[10:15] <jhutchins> dethklok: Experience is proportional to data destroyed.
[10:15] <hund_> that guide was quite confuse for me
[10:15] <jhutchins> hund_: You want the ubuntu box to be a router for you.
[10:15] <HymnToLife> Oh, right; you want to do an ICS
[10:15] <hund_> yes
[10:15] <robinsw> Damn! Skypecasts aren't supported with Linux.
[10:15] <robinsw> Christ on a big bike.
[10:15] <HymnToLife> there's a wiki page about it, you can use Firestarter
[10:15] <dethklok> jhutchins, well I have learned to not just randomly push Shift+Insert randomly...
[10:15] <firecrotch> dethklok: You can take the easy way out and reinstall, or try to fix everything
[10:15] <jhutchins> Shorewall will probably set it up too.
[10:16] <matteo> HEY ALL
[10:16] <jhutchins> (Oops, that's another all-console approach.)
[10:16] <dethklok> firecrotch, I like the easy way... (not linux lol)
[10:16] <hund_> when i ping from the other box everything is ok but when i try to acess the internet i can't
[10:16] <firecrotch> dethklok: But you don't learn anything doing it the easy way
[10:16] <jhutchins> With great power comes great responsibility.
[10:16] <robinsw> firecrotch, that's my mantra too! :)
[10:16] <dethklok> What does that file do anyways?
[10:16] <dethklok> xorg.conf
[10:16] <dethklok> or w/e
[10:16] <DeadFishMan> dethklok: You mean X?
[10:17] <jhutchins> hund_: Can you ping an external IP?
[10:17] <dethklok> DeadFishMan, sure.. what ever I deleted
[10:17] <da[MAGE] > Hi to all
[10:17] <DeadFishMan> !xorg.conf | dethklok
[10:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xorg.conf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:17] <firecrotch> dethklok: It's all of the settings for displaying stuff, and interfacing with your mouse/keyboard/etc
[10:17] <hund_> let me check
[10:17] <DeadFishMan> dethklok: X is the Graphical User Interface of Linux
[10:17] <dethklok> firecrotch, Then how come I'm still using the computer just fine?
[10:17] <firecrotch> dethklok: The file is still in RAM until you restart
[10:18] <jhutchins> dethklok: Your best bet is to mount the shipit CD and see if you can find /usr/bin/X.
[10:18] <DeadFishMan> dethklok: Without it you will be left with just a command line to use
[10:18] <firecrotch> It only gets reloaded when you restart X
[10:18] <DeadFishMan> dethklok: Try to follow jhutchins advice.... That might work!
[10:18] <dethklok> OIC, well I would have no freaking idea what to do in the command line... lol
[10:18] <dethklok> Ok, will do
[10:18] <jhutchins> Many fine things have been done from the command line.
[10:18] <posingaspopular> emil: any progress?
[10:19] <hund_> no i can't ping any external ip
[10:19] <Gimmy> sera
[10:19] <da[MAGE] > eila
[10:19] <firecrotch> dethklok: I had no idea how to use the command line either until I was forced to do it
[10:19] <DeadFishMan> Actually, I am using BitchX on a GNU Screen session as we speak... :)
[10:20] <dethklok> Crap, It figures.. once I really need the cd i cant find it.. lll
[10:20] <dethklok> lol*
[10:20] <Gimmy> i want to install beryl on kubuntu edgy
[10:20] <DeadFishMan> On the other session, I have wget downloading Etch ISO files
[10:20] <dethklok> Oh! never mind I got it!
[10:20] <hund_> no i can't ping any external ip...
[10:20] <firecrotch> Gimmy: And?
[10:21] <firecrotch> Gimmy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BerylOnEdgy should help.
[10:21] <Gimmy> and i have an english layout for the keyboard
[10:21] <jhutchins> hund_: What have you done so far?
[10:21] <Gimmy> *i-m italian...(
[10:21] <hund_> i've set the ip on both boxes
[10:21] <hund_> one to 192.168.0.1
[10:22] <hund_> and other to 192.168.0.2
[10:22] <dethklok> jhutchins, firecrotch, DeadFishMan, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2675/
[10:22] <firecrotch> Gimmy: Do you have Beryl actually installed?
[10:22] <Gimmy> mmm
[10:22] <hund_> and set up the dns server
[10:22] <Gimmy> i don-t know
[10:22] <jhutchins> hund_: You need to set IP Forwarding ON, and you need to set up IPTABLES rules.
[10:23] <Gimmy> up to five minut ago
[10:23] <jhutchins> hund_: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=91370
[10:23] <hund_> nd how do i do that?
[10:23] <Gimmy> i view an icon of beryl near clock
[10:23] <hund_> thnkx i'll take a look
[10:23] <dethklok> Umm, What am I supposed to do? :'(
[10:24] <firecrotch> Gimmy: Okay, you have it installed.
[10:24] <Gimmy> but
[10:24] <markelhas> hi, need some tips with my network
[10:24] <Gimmy> now i don-t view that icon
[10:24] <jhutchins> hund_: That tells you how in 8 steps.
[10:24] <Gimmy> i have only the emerald theme manager
[10:24] <hund_> ok
[10:24] <markelhas> everytime that i turn off my machine and start again, i have problems of in my network
[10:25] <dethklok> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2675/
[10:25] <markelhas> i've static ip on my eth0
[10:25] <markelhas> i can ping my privet ip, but can ping the router gw
[10:25] <DeadFishMan> brb
[10:26] <jhutchins> dethklok: find /media/hdd/bin -name X
[10:26] <markelhas> i've to start firewall and network wizard couple of times to get network working
[10:26] <Livedifferent> Hello! I am something of a noob. Would anyone be able to answer a question regarding dual booting?
[10:26] <markelhas> how can i solve this
[10:26] <markelhas> ?
[10:27] <devilsadvocate> Livedifferent, go on
[10:27] <jhutchins> markelhas: If you're on an internal network you shouldn't need the firewall.
[10:27] <dethklok> jhutchins, do I type that in the command line?
[10:27] <robinsw> Guys -- Got a USB hard drive, but Kubuntu won't let me write to it. How do I open it up for full access?
[10:27] <jhutchins> dethklok: Try it.
[10:27] <dethklok> jhutchins, no print back
[10:27] <tsdgeos> robinsw: ntfs formated?
[10:27] <robinsw> Fraid so
[10:27] <Livedifferent> What would be the best way to dual boot/partition an OEM'd Windows box with Ubuntu?
[10:27] <tsdgeos> !ntfs
[10:27] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions. For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[10:27] <robinsw> !ntfs
[10:27] <markelhas> jhutchins: i'm on a internal network
[10:27] <robinsw> !fuse
[10:27] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[10:27] <devilsadvocate> Livedifferent, what OEM is it, and how is your partitioning like?
[10:28] <cntb> Livedifferent: dual boot very common issue
[10:28] <devilsadvocate> robinsw, it isnt as unsafe as ubotu makes it out to be :P
[10:28] <Livedifferent> This is hypothetical, since I own a Mac now
[10:28] <markelhas> jhutchins: but only when i start firestart and shutdown that works
[10:28] <Livedifferent> But it would probably be OEM'd with XP Pro
[10:28] <Livedifferent> ANd have only one partition on an 80GB HD
[10:28] <markelhas> jhutchins: i don't want any firewall
[10:28] <markelhas> jhutchins: because slow down my p2p clients
[10:28] <firecrotch> Livedifferent: actually it might have one of those pesky hidden recovery paritions
[10:28] <jhutchins> markelhas: How did you end up with firestart?
[10:28] <devilsadvocate> Livedifferent, best bet will be to wipe one partition and replace with ext3fs. if its a single partitoin you have, then resize the biggest after a defrag
[10:29] <markelhas> jhutchins: i've click stop, then exit
[10:29] <cntb> Livedifferent: first off get gparted liveCD
[10:29] <jhutchins> I think the installer will repartition a windows drive - not sure about ntfs.
[10:29] <cntb> shrink big partition
[10:29] <Livedifferent> Sorry, noob alert. What's ext3fs? Some sort of file system?
[10:29] <robinsw> Instead of using Fuse, can I convert from NTFS to a linux format?
[10:29] <jhutchins> Livedifferent: Yes.
[10:29] <jhutchins> Linux filesysetem.
[10:29] <robinsw> Got 320GB of stuff on there, you see.
[10:29] <Livedifferent> Thanks
[10:29] <devilsadvocate> Livedifferent, i would suggest partition magic if we need to tell you what ext3fs is :)
[10:29] <firecrotch> Livedifferent: Yes, it's the default filesystem for most Linux distros
[10:29] <cntb> Livedifferent: yes filesystem FS
[10:30] <Livedifferent> So I can get a liveCD which will partition it after wiping the windows partition?
[10:30] <jhutchins> Doesn't the installer repartition?
[10:30] <Livedifferent> I don't know, I've owned a Mac since OS X
[10:30] <robinsw> Instead of using Fuse, can I convert from NTFS to a linux format?
[10:30] <Livedifferent> And I haven't tried Ubuntu on it
[10:30] <devilsadvocate> Livedifferent, you dont need to wipe the windows partition, although that would make it a lot easier
[10:30] <jhutchins> Livedifferent: You shouldn't have to wipe the windows partition, although that might be easier.
[10:30] <da[MAGE] > hey guys does any one know a better looking bootloader than grub?
[10:30] <devilsadvocate> robinsw, not without losing data
[10:30] <hund_> how do i get to a root terminal?
[10:31] <robinsw> Crap
[10:31] <robinsw> :-/
[10:31] <firecrotch> da[MAGE] : You can configure GRUB to look how you want it
[10:31] <jhutchins> Livedifferent: There are linux tools that will shrink the windows partition and make a new linux partition.
[10:31] <Hirvinen> robinsw: No. You'll have to store it somewhere else during the reformat.
[10:31] <devilsadvocate> da[MAGE] , grub is beautiful :)
[10:31] <jhutchins> Livedifferent: Most of the installers will offer to do that.
[10:31] <da[MAGE] > tnx fire..
[10:31] <robinsw> Gotcha
[10:31] <robinsw> Thanks
[10:31] <da[MAGE] > do u have links?
[10:31] <jhutchins> Livedifferent: It's always a good idea to have a backup though.
[10:31] <Livedifferent> Devils/jhutchins: Will Ubuntu's installer do that?
[10:31] <jhutchins> !sudo | hund_
[10:31] <ubotu> hund_: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[10:31] <firecrotch> da[MAGE] : http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/
[10:31] <cntb> Livedifferent: first off get gparted liveCD
[10:31] <TopDawg216> so I've looked into it and the programs I want to delete are all games
[10:32] <da[MAGE] > tnx....if that dont work ill google it<,9
[10:32] <cntb> gparted
[10:32] <devilsadvocate> Livedifferent, wipe windows partition ? yeah
[10:32] <TopDawg216> so I would just do apt-get remove <gamename>
[10:32] <da[MAGE] > ;)
[10:32] <TopDawg216> correct?
[10:32] <jhutchins> Livedifferent: cntb is telling you how to get a tool to do it manually.
[10:32] <cntb> !gparted
[10:32] <ubotu> gparted is gparted is a GUI partitioning program, "sudo apt-get install gparted", also available as a live cd http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[10:32] <Livedifferent> Okay
[10:32] <markelhas> jhutchins: should y finish in another way?
[10:32] <firecrotch> TopDawg216: Yes, that should work
[10:32] <devilsadvocate> Livedifferent, although since you want to dual boot, first install windows first and keep free space for the linux, then use the linux live cd to finish the job
[10:32] <alexmic> Hi all, anyone managed to setup a gnunetd?
[10:32] <jhutchins> markelhas: I don't know why you have firestart installed to begin with.  Why not uninstall it?
[10:32] <Alex`> just a question .......... how can i login as root ? i had a link where it was explained something about modifying a file but i don't remember it :|
[10:33] <Livedifferent> cntb: So with gparted liveCD I can shrink the Windows partition?
[10:33] <jhutchins> !sudo | Alex`
[10:33] <hund_> jhutchins in the tutorial it says to type all the commands in a root terminal, DO NOT use sudo....
[10:33] <ubotu> Alex`: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[10:33] <firecrotch> Alex`: You don't.
[10:33] <cntb> Livedifferent: yep
[10:33] <jhutchins> hund_: Ah.
[10:33] <Alex`> i did
[10:33] <markelhas> jhutchins: and my p2p clients will work normaly?
[10:33] <Alex`> the last time
[10:33] <robinsw> If I plug in an external USB2 hard drive whilst Linux is already running, how can I force Linux to detect it?
[10:33] <markelhas> jhutchins: torrent and emule?
[10:33] <jhutchins> hund_: ubuntu is trying to change that, but use sudo -i.
[10:33] <alexmic> Alex`: sudo passwd root
[10:33] <Livedifferent> Thanks all! I appreciate it. I'm just getting my feet wet with Linux now.
[10:33] <firecrotch> robinsw: It should detect it automatically
[10:34] <devilsadvocate> hund_, to get a root terminal first enable root : "sudo passwd root" and then type "su" in a terminal
[10:34] <cntb> Livedifferent: be patient it works perfectly wait when in doubt it is stuck
[10:34] <firecrotch> devilsadvocate: no no no
[10:34] <Gimmy> ok
[10:34] <devilsadvocate> hund_, this is not usually recommended unless you know exactly what you are doing
[10:34] <Gimmy> i have beryl
[10:34] <Gimmy> but my windows decorator
[10:34] <Alex`> alexmic i wanna login as root ...... i did it the last time i installed kubuntu but i don't remember the file ....... i'll just search
[10:34] <Gimmy> is failed
[10:34] <firecrotch> root terminal: sudo /bin/bsh
[10:34] <jhutchins> Livedifferent: Most installers will do a reasonably safe job of repartitioning for you these days.  You might want to google "dual boot linux" and read up a bit.
[10:34] <HymnToLife> Alex`, sudo -i will give you a root shell
[10:35] <jhutchins> firecrotch: sudo -i
[10:35] <Alex`> not enough :P
[10:35] <HymnToLife> (please don't do sudo bash, nor sudo -s)
[10:35] <firecrotch> HymnToLife: Why is sudo bash bad?
[10:35] <HymnToLife> you want to login as root GRAPHICALLY ?
[10:35] <alexmic> Alex`:  you run sudo passwd root, you enter a password for the root accound and then you can log in root
[10:35] <HymnToLife> that seems like a _very_ bad idea
[10:36] <jhutchins> for what hund_ is doing sudo -i will work fine.
[10:36] <HymnToLife> firecrotch, man sudo could have told you that sudo -i simulates an initial login instead of just running the shell executable as root
[10:36] <HymnToLife> thus setting the environment variables coorectly
[10:36] <alexmic> But I can only support HymnToLife that login in X as root is a bad idea
[10:36] <Alex`>  kdmrc i edit this file and it enables me to login as root ........ remembered it :D thanks anyway
[10:37] <TopDawg216> how do I find the location of the GNOME game pack?
[10:37] <jhutchins> Alex`: There are good reasons that's disabled by default...
[10:37] <Gimmy> can you help me_
[10:37] <Alex`> well i kinda don't care about reasons ........ i do it for other stuff
[10:37] <vge> !ask
[10:37] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:37] <Alex`> :P
[10:37] <sfpavel> is there a photoshop version for kubuntu? if there is where can i get it?
[10:37] <Gimmy> firecrotch: can you help me?
[10:37] <jhutchins> Gimmy: Only if you tell us what the problem is.
[10:37] <HymnToLife> sfpavel, no
[10:37] <Gimmy> ok
[10:37] <robinsw_> Sorry, connection died
[10:37] <Alex`> sfpavel gimp
[10:37] <jhutchins> sfpavel: Have a look at The Gimp.
[10:38] <Gimmy> beryl run
[10:38] <markelhas> jhutchins: if i remove the firewall should i config anything to use p2p clients?
[10:38] <HymnToLife> if you feel adventurous, you can try to run it in !wine
[10:38] <TopDawg216> sfpavel:  Photoshop is not available for Kubuntu...try Gimp though
[10:38] <TopDawg216> ^^
[10:38] <Gimmy> but window decorator crash
[10:38] <Gimmy> i have kubuntu edgy
[10:38] <sfpavel> what about flash?
[10:38] <cntb> TopDawg216: sudo apt-cache search game
[10:38] <TopDawg216> awesome...thanks :)
[10:38] <Alex`> sfpavel run adept and search for flash
[10:39] <robinsw_> Can anybody tell me how to reformat an NTFS ext harddrive to the Linux FS?
[10:39] <firecrotch> Gimmy: I've never had problems with the window manager crashing, so I really can't be of much help
[10:39] <sfpavel> thnx guys
[10:39] <cntb> TopDawg216: sudo apt-get install gnome-games
[10:40] <devilsadvocate> robinsw_, mkext2fs -j /dev/hdb1
[10:40] <HymnToLife> robinsw_, mkfs is a nice command-line tool to do it. If you want a graphical interface, use gparted
[10:40] <jhutchins> cntb: What would be the command to find the package name?
[10:40] <Gimmy> mmm
[10:40] <robinsw_> Thanks, guys
[10:40] <devilsadvocate> assuming hdb1 is the partition you want to reformat
[10:40] <devilsadvocate> you will loose all data
[10:40] <cntb> sudo apt-cache search game jhutchins ?
[10:40] <devilsadvocate> mke2fs robinsw_
[10:41] <da[MAGE] > can one upgrade from from ubuntu 6.06 to edgy?
[10:41] <da[MAGE] > without reinstalling everything
[10:41] <DjDarkman> can someone give me a howto that fully covers compiling a kernel with ubuntu patches?
[10:41] <HymnToLife> !edgy | da[MAGE] 
[10:41] <ubotu> da[MAGE] : Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes
[10:41] <jhutchins> da[MAGE] : Yes, but you should be aware that the people who have had problems with edgy have mostly been people who upgraded.
[10:42] <cntb> da[MAGE] : still dont know an easy path to dapper edgy upgrade
[10:42] <HymnToLife> agreed, I definitely recommend doing a fresh install of Edgy
[10:42] <da[MAGE] > tnx ppl
[10:42] <jhutchins> Not everybody has problems.
[10:42] <firecrotch> I had no problem upgrading from Dapper :)
[10:43] <devilsadvocate> da[MAGE] , you can upgrade , unless you ave some exotic installs, maybe even something like compiz or graphics drivers
[10:43] <cntb> firecrotch: pls tell us about upgrading to edgy
[10:43] <dethklok> is ktorrent any good, or should I get something better?
[10:43] <chavo> dethklok, ktorrent works great
[10:43] <dethklok> chavo kk
[10:43] <firecrotch> cntb: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade worked just fine for me
[10:44] <cox377> my kubuntu has started to feel very sluggish.. i've got an 7gb hdd and i';ve used 5gb but i've got nothing really on the machine.. i've run apt-get clean.. is there any other commands for cleaning the system?
[10:44] <dethklok> firecrotch, should I do that?
[10:44] <firecrotch> dethklok: If you have your system messed up currently, it will still be messed up after upgrading with dist-upgrade
[10:44] <firecrotch> Probably worse
[10:44] <dethklok> firecrotch, OIC, guess not then
[10:44] <cox377> !system clean
[10:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about system clean - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:45] <dethklok> firecrotch, so it wont fix my X problem :(
[10:45] <cox377> !clean
[10:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about clean - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:45] <jhutchins> dethklok: I'd say the best bet was to go ahead and do a clean install of Edgy.
[10:46] <firecrotch> dethklok: I agree with jhutchins
[10:46] <robinsw_> gparted is formatting the drive now... thanks everybody!
[10:46] <jhutchins> dethklok: If you want to fix Dapper, boot to the dapper CD.  You'll have /usr/bin/X, copy that to /usr/bin on the hard drive.
[10:46] <dethklok> jhutchins, Yeah, I just started the DL on the PC downstairs... (it's wired)
[10:46] <cox377> anyone know about cleaning?
[10:47] <jhutchins> cox377: Don't mix bleach and amonia.
[10:47] <firecrotch> cox377:  Like with a vacuum or a broom and dustpan?
[10:47] <jhutchins> cox377: Be careful not to overspin fans when using compressed air?
[10:47] <cox377> lol
[10:47] <dethklok> jhutchins, so can i do: cp /hdd/bin /usr/bin
[10:47] <cox377> how about system clean
[10:47] <jhutchins> dethklok: No.
[10:47] <cox377> remove some of the 5gb that i have no idea what it's used on
[10:48] <jhutchins> dethklok: if /hdd/bin/X exists, you can cp /hdd/bin/X /usr/bin
[10:48] <firecrotch> cox377: If you have no idea what the stuff is, best to leave it alone
[10:48] <cox377> firecrotch: yeh but 5gb or nothing is  alot
[10:48] <dethklok> jhutchins, yeah there is no /hdd/cin/X
[10:48] <cox377> firecrotch: there must be a system clean function?
[10:48] <dethklok> bin*
[10:48] <jhutchins> cox377: You can clear /tmp, /var/tmp, and probably there's a cache for apt you can clean.
[10:49] <jhutchins> cox377: By default, linux runs a pretty clean system.
[10:49] <jhutchins> 5gb is a pretty reasonable install.
[10:49] <cox377> jhutchins: so just delete the contents of those folders?
[10:49] <jhutchins> You can delete /usr/share/doc if you're that kind of person.
[10:50] <jhutchins> cox377: It's probably better to selectively uninstall packages you don't (think) you need.
[10:50] <cox377> jhutchins: what does 5gb go on.. i mean a browser / media / few other apps
[10:50] <cntb> cox377: virgin XP takes almost 7.5 GB
[10:50] <Alex`> bye all ....... rebooting :D
[10:50] <cox377> cntb: never in a day mate
[10:51] <jhutchins> I've got 7.6G with a pretty full install and some user data.
[10:51] <firecrotch> cox377: Any programs that you _don't_ use can be removed
[10:51] <cox377> cntb: 2gb max.. i'm just wondering where the space has gone because it never used to be that much.. say 3gb max
[10:51] <cox377> firecrotch: whats the best way to list installed applications?
[10:52] <jhutchins> cox377: I've got an old RH firewall with no gui in 913M
[10:52] <cox377> firecrotch: smoothwall : P
[10:52] <jhutchins> Oh, no, that's actually 1.6G.
[10:53] <jhutchins> cox377: I'm sure there's a way to do it from the command line, but if you launch Aptitude it will show you what's installed.
[10:53] <firecrotch> cox377: Adept will list everything that you have installed
[10:53] <jhutchins> Er, adept.
[10:53] <pedroBR> tem alguem do brasil a?
[10:54] <firecrotch> !br | pedroBR
[10:54] <ubotu> pedroBR: Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[10:54] <TopDawg216> exit
[10:55] <Gimmy> hey
[10:55] <Gimmy> then
[10:55] <da[MAGE] > I just started using ubuntu as my first linux distro....did I make a good choice?
[10:55] <firecrotch> da[MAGE] : It's excellent for beginners
[10:55] <Gimmy> i have beryl and i select the windows manager kde
[10:56] <Gimmy> if i select compiz or beryl
[10:56] <Gimmy> crash
[10:56] <jhutchins> Gimmy: Yup.  Bleeding edge software.
[10:56] <da[MAGE] > excellent..but do other ones give u something -some more gears than ubuntu..or do even pros keep using it?
[10:56] <jhutchins> da[MAGE] : It's quite extensible, and since it's based on debian you can get very advanced with it.
[10:56] <Gimmy> jhutchins: i don-t understand
[10:56] <firecrotch> da[MAGE] : It's all a matter of personal preference for those who are experienced
[10:56] <jhutchins> Gimmy: That stuff's unstable and doesn't always work.
[10:57] <Gimmy> there-s a solution_
[10:57] <jhutchins> Gimmy: Maybe.
[10:57] <jhutchins> Gimmy: Given enough time spent deep enough in the code, I'm sure there is.
[10:57] <Snoose> hello everyone, i'm looking for a web page i ran across earlier and can't seem to find again.
[10:57] <firecrotch> da[MAGE] : I've used other distros (Gentoo, Slackware, SUSE) and have always come back to Kubuntu
[10:58] <robinsw_> !xvid
[10:58] <jhutchins> da[MAGE] : It's not my personal first choice, but that's not because it can't do what I want it to.
[10:58] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:58] <da[MAGE] > cool...tnx firecrotch;)
[10:58] <Snoose> it said how to get multiple programs to use the same dial-up conn. at the same time.  anyone know where it is?
[10:58] <robinsw_> Wow, that ubotu really knows his stuff! XD
[10:58] <jhutchins> Snoose: Um, usually they do that by default.
[10:58] <firecrotch> da[MAGE] : I'll admit though that it's because I don't like fussing with things if I don't have to
[10:59] <jhutchins> Snoose: If you have a ppp connection, it just looks like a network adapter to the system, and they all use it.
[10:59] <da[MAGE] > k
[10:59] <firecrotch> robinsw_: Don't forget to feed it! :)
[10:59] <firecrotch> !botsnack
[10:59] <ubotu> Yum!
[10:59] <dethklok> jhutchins, So as long as I keep my computer on, it's fine? lol
[10:59] <Snoose> they don't though... if i'm in firefox my downloads in apt stop and vice versa
[10:59] <jhutchins> dethklok: Well, you don't want to end your session.
[11:00] <jhutchins> Snoose: It may be that they just slow way down, is that possible?
[11:00] <dwidmann> Snoose, dialup connections aren't too good at multi-tasking
[11:00] <jhutchins> They should continue when yrou pages are done loading.
[11:00] <firecrotch> Snoose: You can always try decreasing Firefox's maxconnections
[11:00] <Snoose> i'm winxp they slow down but still works fine
[11:00] <jhutchins> I've run three PC's through one dial-up connection at about 19,200 baud.
[11:01] <Snoose> im linux one just stops
[11:01] <dwidmann> come to think of things, dialup connections aren't good at many things at all
[11:01] <firecrotch> dwidmann: So true.  Maybe for email?
[11:01] <dwidmann> They also never cease to annoy me
[11:01] <dethklok> They are good if you don't wanna get hacked... Lol
[11:01] <dwidmann> they're good at that
[11:02] <Snoose> i have no alternative choice so i have to live with dial-up
[11:02] <jhutchins> Snoose: I'd recommend doing less over the connection at once.
[11:02] <robinsw_> Ah, the directions for installing the codecs aren't working.
[11:02] <jhutchins> Do your apt installations when you're not browsing.
[11:02] <da[MAGE] > dial up is sad.
[11:02] <robinsw_> Says that it can't find the packages, even though I've enabled all the repositories
[11:02] <Snoose> but i want to browse the net while downloading packages
[11:02] <dwidmann> do the apt installations overnight if you can help it, it's less painful that way.
[11:03] <jhutchins> dethklok: Actually, if you reboot, you'll be stuck with a command line interface, which might do you some good <grin>.
[11:03] <dethklok> jhutchins, NOOOOOOO!
[11:04] <jhutchins> 90% of what I do I can do from a command line via ssh.
[11:04] <jhutchins> Including editing photos.
[11:04] <dethklok> Lol, no way?
[11:04] <robinsw_> Can anybody help me playing Restricted Formats? The directions given in the wiki tell me that a package couldn't be found, even though I have all the repositories enabled.
[11:04] <jhutchins> You betcha.
[11:04] <jamrs> jhutchins: editing photos?
[11:04] <jhutchins> Yep.
[11:04] <dwidmann> imagemagick?
[11:04] <dethklok> Like resize them? Or more advanced than that?
[11:04] <jhutchins> Yes sir.
[11:04] <Snoose> firecrotch: how do i decrease firefox's maxconnections?
[11:05] <jhutchins> dethklok: I usually don't go much beyond resizing.
[11:05] <emil>  cant find the MS fonts
[11:05] <jhutchins> dethklok: It's very possible though.
[11:05] <jamrs> jhutchins: lol how much further could you go
[11:05] <dethklok> jhutchins, thats awesome
[11:05] <emil> package msttcorefonts not available
[11:05] <jhutchins> jamrs: I can crop, do some color adjustment, but I'm a real piker.
[11:06] <jhutchins> You can do amazing stuff with IM.
[11:06] <BluesKaj> jhutchins, cli purist eh ? :)
[11:06] <cntb> !repos
[11:06] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:06] <dethklok> When I was messing with gentoo a while back I recall the built in web browser, that was kind of impressive
[11:06] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: Lapsed.
[11:06] <cntb> !repos |emil
[11:06] <ubotu> emil: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:06] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: About three years ago I bought enough hardware to finally run KDE at decent speed, and I get softer every week.
[11:07] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: I've started using fish and konquer instead of scp...
[11:07] <dethklok> !scp
[11:07] <ubotu> SCP is a secure way of copying files across networks using !SSH. Usage: scp filename user@host:filename - WinSCP is a client for Windows, available at http://winscp.net/
[11:07] <jhutchins> s/konquer/konqueror.
[11:07] <BluesKaj> fish?
[11:07] <jhutchins> scp as a filesystem.
[11:08] <jhutchins> fish://user@remote.org
[11:08] <dethklok> Does anybody remember who it was that helped me with my wireless?
[11:09] <jhutchins> !fish | BluesKaj
[11:09] <ubotu> fish: a friendly interactive shell. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.21.12-1 (edgy), package size 631 kB, installed size 2560 kB
[11:09] <BluesKaj> cool
[11:10] <BluesKaj> jhutchins, I'll check that out
[11:10] <emil> cntb I've done it but it can't find it
[11:10] <dethklok> So whats the easiest disto? Maybe if I had one that easier to start out on then I wouldn't mess so much up...
[11:11] <emil> says that it refers to other packages
[11:11] <BluesKaj> hope I'm not getting "fished in"
[11:11] <jhutchins> dethklok: Probably FC6 running gnome.
[11:11] <dwidmann> dethklok, different people will argue that age-old question to the death
[11:11] <dethklok> Fedora Core?
[11:12] <jhutchins> dethklok: The thing is you've tried to mess with stuff and do advanced things you weren't ready to do.
[11:12] <dethklok> jhutchins, Really, I don't think I have done to many things that were 'advanced'... except compiling
[11:13] <dethklok> jhutchins, getting wireless to work was a bit*h but its done now :-p
[11:13] <jhutchins> dethklok: Exactly what I'm talking about. You stepped right outside the system there.
[11:14] <jhutchins> I mean, nothing wrong with learning about that.
[11:14] <makuseru> what do i need to open a .rtf?
[11:14] <moparisthebest> I have windows installed on one harddrive and linux installed on another, is there a way to get grub to allow me to choose bewtween the 2?
[11:14] <dethklok> jhutchins, I guess I just need somewhere to start... Kubuntu isn't the place?
[11:14] <jhutchins> It's just easier not to mess up if you stick with what's built in to the system.
[11:14] <dwidmann> makuseru: try openoffice or koffice
[11:14] <jhutchins> dethklok: I think it's a pretty good place to start.
[11:15] <makuseru> dwidmann: anything small? i dont want to get somthing as big as OO
[11:15] <jhutchins> dethklok: You're always going to hit things like printers and wireless cards and video that isn't as well supported as it is in Windows, but you can work around it, that's the point.
[11:15] <dethklok> jhutchins, that was kinda my goal in switching over.. to be able to do everything i do in windows, in linux...
[11:16] <jhutchins> makuseru: You can use a plain text editor - kate, vim, pico.
[11:16] <makuseru> kate will open it?
[11:16] <firecrotch> dethklok: you can
[11:16] <dethklok> (ipod, wireless, internet surfing, music)
[11:16] <jhutchins> makuseru: it should, but it will probably ignore the markup.
[11:16] <dwidmann> makuseru, for rtf, you need a rich text editor, kate won't do it for you, I don't think so anyway
[11:16] <dethklok> firecrotch, oh i know i will be able to some day.. but i guess not currently
[11:16] <dwidmann> kword is a pretty good choice though
[11:17] <makuseru> yes, it did
[11:17] <jhutchins> dethklok: I have an ipod shuffle, works fine with amarok.
[11:17] <emil> can someone say app that work as a dock like in OSX
[11:17] <makuseru> it was giving me a choice to open, so i fougured kate and kwrite wouldnt do it
[11:17] <mindspin> !codecs
[11:17] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:17] <jhutchins> dethklok: I have a wireless card that's supported by linux drivers.
[11:17] <dethklok> jhutchins, i havent really put much time into the ipod thing yet
[11:17] <firecrotch> dethklok: I have an iPod video which works fine, too
[11:17] <verve> why's #kubuntu and #ubuntu actually separate? i don't get it, heh
[11:17] <verve> anyways
[11:18] <dwidmann> They're not really seperate .... in a sesne
[11:18] <makuseru> emil: cooldock, kxdocker, kiba dock
[11:18] <moparisthebest> can someone tell me where the grub configuration file is located?
[11:18] <jhutchins> verve: kubuntu allows us to focus on stuff that's particular to the kde version.
[11:18] <johann> moparis....... /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:18] <verve> word
[11:18] <moparisthebest> thanks
[11:18] <jhutchins> moparisthebest: You can: locate menu.lst in console.
[11:18] <verve> any ideas how to get KDE Crypto to accept an expired SSL cert?
[11:18] <adamwest> hye
[11:18] <adamwest> hey
[11:18] <moparisthebest> I didnt know what it was called either jhutchins, but I have it now :)
[11:18] <emil> ok thx
[11:19] <jhutchins> moparisthebest: man grub might have told you.
[11:19] <makuseru> has anyone heard about Ubuntu Studio yet?
[11:19] <jhutchins> makuseru: Yes, but that's about all.
[11:20] <firecrotch> !Ubuntu Studio
[11:20] <ubotu> ubuntustudio is a site is for the musician who wishes to use Ubuntu as their Digital Audio Workstation, at  http://www.ubuntustudio.com. Or visit  #ubuntu-studio
[11:20] <makuseru> i didnt know their was an IRC room for it
[11:20] <firecrotch> Neither did I :)
[11:20] <makuseru> i cant wait for it to launch
[11:20] <emil> how do I get rid of all pop-ups when I hover a "button" in the application bar?
[11:21] <emil> ?
[11:22] <jhutchins> emil: Right click, configure panel, Appearance, show tooltips.  (uncheck it)
[11:22] <robinsw_> Is there a front-end for WINE? Just installed WINE from the package manager
[11:23] <firecrotch> robinsw_: there's winecfg for configuring it
[11:23] <robinsw_> Thanks
[11:23] <cntb> is beryl for edgy only ? not for dapper ?
[11:23] <firecrotch> other than that, to run windows programs, you just use "wine /path/to/program.exe"
[11:23] <jhutchins> robinsw_: Look under More Applications/Emulators
[11:23] <verve> so is installing kubuntu-desktop and all related packages, from a normal Ubuntu install, the same as installing from the Kubuntu LiveCD?
[11:24] <jhutchins> verve: Pretty much.
[11:24] <firecrotch> verve: not exactly
[11:24] <jhutchins> verve: You'll have access to all the gnome stuff too.
[11:24] <verve> i love two different opinions side by side
[11:24] <verve> haha
[11:24] <jhutchins> cntb: Beryl is really for feisty more than edgy.
[11:24] <firecrotch> verve: and it will still use gdm
[11:25] <jhutchins> verve: It'll also use some other gnome components which a kubuntu install wouldn't.
[11:25] <cntb> jhutchins: dapper on this machine
[11:25] <verve> can that be gotten rid of?
[11:25] <verve> (i switched to KDM, btw)
[11:25] <unix_infidel> anyone here running ubuntu on an ibook
[11:25] <cntb> so much for LTS long term support
[11:25] <jhutchins> verve: Yeah, I believe you can uninstall gnome-desktop.
[11:26] <jhutchins> cntb: LTS doesn't include cutting edge no-use-but-amusement window managers.
[11:26] <jhutchins> cntb: Beryl just BARELY works with the absolute latest related packages, recent hardware, and a good bit of luck.
[11:26] <robinsw_> Anybody ever tried using Dreamweaver on WINE?
[11:27] <cntb> beryl may be a good rival to vista candies - 1
[11:27] <jhutchins> cntb: If it ever gets stable, it might be possible to backport it.
[11:27] <unix_infidel> robinsw_: it works fine.
[11:27] <jhutchins> cntb: It might not.
[11:27] <dwidmann> the zoom and one of the other plugins were actually useful though jhutchins
[11:27] <dwidmann> expose I think it was?
[11:27] <cntb> some of Beryl tricks can increase productivity - 2
[11:27] <sfpavel> how do i configure a FTP server ?
[11:27] <jhutchins> cntb: Yes, it might give you Vista-like eye candy, but you can't expect that on dapper any more than you can on XP, or 98.
[11:27] <jhutchins> dwidmann: There are tools that will do that within kde.
[11:28] <dwidmann> do tell
[11:28] <sfpavel> all i need is a link 2 a good tutorial pls
[11:28] <robinsw_> Faaaantastic!
[11:29] <robinsw_> Why was I using Windows?!
[11:29] <cntb> BTW XP can have those xcandies easilyif MS wanted
[11:29] <cntb> sorry offtopic
[11:29] <jhutchins> sfpavel: First thing you should know is that running an FTP server is the best way in the world to get hacked.
[11:29] <jhutchins> sfpavel: Better than unprotected windows.
[11:29] <dwidmann> robinsw, I haven't, but quanta+ is pretty good :)
[11:29] <moparisthebest> in grub's menu.lst kubuntu has listed: root		(hd0,0)
[11:30] <robinsw_> Is there a keyboard shortcut to bring up the Run dialog?
[11:30] <moparisthebest> but the harddrive it is listed as in qtparted is sda
[11:30] <sfpavel> even if i have certificates and crypted passwords?
[11:30] <robinsw_> I keep hitting Windows key + R XD
[11:30] <dwidmann> alt +f2
[11:30] <robinsw_> Great, thanks
[11:30] <moparisthebest> so how do I know what my other harddrives are named?
[11:30] <sfpavel> i want one bcuz i need stuff from my PC while i'm not at home
[11:30] <jhutchins> sfpavel: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/FTP.html
[11:30] <sfpavel> thanx
[11:30] <cntb> robin dwidmann alt +f2
[11:30] <jhutchins> sfpavel: FTP passes passwords in plaintext.
[11:30] <sfpavel> what security program do you recomand?
[11:30] <cntb> robinsw_:
[11:31] <jhutchins> I recommend running public ftp servers chrooted.
[11:31] <dwidmann> sfpavel: I recommend common sense
[11:31] <kkerwin> Hi. I'm trying to setup a PAN between my computer and my bluetooth enabled phone. I have them connected, but I'm wondering how I can determine the phone's IP address in reference to the computer?
[11:31] <jhutchins> When possible I eliminate ftp and use only scp.
[11:32] <dwidmann> Hmm, indeed, the chroot or a virtual machine
[11:32] <jhutchins> moparisthebest: they have both a bios id (0,0, etc) and a dev name (/dev/sda, /dev/sdb, etc.)
[11:33] <jhutchins> Usually you'll be referring to them as /dev/sda1, /dev/sda2, etc.
[11:33] <moparisthebest> how would I get the bios id to put in grub then jhutchins ?
[11:33] <jhutchins> moparisthebest: ide is /dev/hda, /dev/hdb.
[11:33] <jhutchins> moparisthebest: What partition are you looking for?
[11:33] <moparisthebest> grub refers to sda as hd0
[11:33] <jhutchins> moparisthebest: Usually the installer does this correctly.
[11:33] <moparisthebest> I need sdb
[11:33] <xtoxico> !Xgl
[11:33] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[11:34] <jhutchins> moparisthebest: Most likely that would be hd1,0
[11:34] <moparisthebest> I tried that and it didnt work :/
[11:34] <jhutchins> the secondary number is the partition number, starting at 0.
[11:34] <jhutchins> moparisthebest: fdisk -l
[11:34] <garryb> !help
[11:34] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:34] <jhutchins> Which is your linux disk?
[11:35] <jhutchins> moparisthebest: You want a partition, not just a disk.
[11:35] <Tonren> OK, what's a good, simple, lightweight WYSIWYG editor for HTML documents?
[11:35] <HymnToLife> !nvu
[11:35] <ubotu> nvu: Complete Web Authoring System. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0final-2ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 8373 kB, installed size 26448 kB
[11:35] <Gimmy> jhutchins: what-s the composite manager?
[11:35] <moparisthebest> there is only one partition on the disk jhutchins
[11:35] <jhutchins> moparisthebest: so you want sda1 or sdb1?
[11:35] <moparisthebest> fdisk -l does nothing
[11:35] <moparisthebest> sdb1
[11:35] <garryb> !tell help to garryb
[11:35] <jhutchins> moparisthebest: Really?
[11:35] <HymnToLife> moparisthebest, you need to run it with sudo
[11:35] <moparisthebest> sda1 is hd0,0
[11:35] <xtoxico> !eclipse
[11:35] <ubotu> eclipse: Extensible Tool Platform and Java IDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.2.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 121 kB, installed size 412 kB
[11:36] <jhutchins> moparisthebest: I would think that would be hd1,0.
[11:36] <jhutchins> moparisthebest: Try sdb1
[11:36] <moparisthebest> ok, Ill try it
[11:36] <jhutchins> moparisthebest: SATA?
[11:36] <moparisthebest> yes SATA
[11:36] <moparisthebest> Ill be back after the reboot
[11:36] <jhutchins> Ah.  Trouble, especially if you have IDE as well.
[11:37] <jhutchins> mopar watch the boot screen carefully, it may tell you something useful when the BIOS loads.
[11:38] <ravermeister> hello i have got a problem. i made an update of kde from kde3.5.4 to 3.5.5
[11:39] <ravermeister> and now when i try to login, nothing happens until i restart x and type username and password again
[11:39] <ravermeister> anybody knows this problem? using kubuntu dapper
[11:40] <dwidmann> ravermeister: I've never heard of that problem before
[11:41] <ravermeister> is there a possibility to say kdm he should re write his config files
[11:41] <ravermeister> it appears just after the update
[11:41] <Tonren> Anyone?  Good WYSIWYG KDE HTML editor?
[11:41] <Tonren> That was a mouthful
[11:41] <emil> anyone used KxDocker?
[11:41] <dwidmann> tonren: quanta+
[11:41] <Tonren> dwidmann: thanks
[11:42] <kkerwin> Hi. I'm trying to setup a PAN between my computer and my bluetooth enabled phone. I have them connected, but I'm wondering how I can determine the phone's IP address in reference to the computer?
[11:43] <kkerwin> If not, could someone point me to a bluez support channel. #bluez seems to be quiet, and I'm not sure if it's the right channel.
[11:43] <ravermeister> could there be something in the log files?
[11:43] <kkerwin> emil: Yes.
[11:43] <ravermeister> if yes which one
[11:45] <xtoxico> !KxDocker
[11:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about KxDocker - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:45] <Jucato> !kxdocker
[11:45] <ravermeister> nobody an idea :(
[11:45] <ubotu> kxdocker: innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.4a-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 327 kB, installed size 1064 kB
[11:46] <verve> Linux rinzai 2.6.17-10-386 #2 Tue Dec 5 22:26:18 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:46] <verve> sorry, didn't mean to post that, heh
[11:46] <emil> How do I use it
[11:46] <emil> I start kxdocker but I dont see it when it's loaded
[11:47] <moparisthebest> Is there a reason that when I boot up my desktop looks like Im using 256-bit color, then I hit ctrl-alt-backspace and everything goes back to normal?
[11:47] <Nuked> emil I cant even get it to start
[11:47] <emil> ?
[11:47] <Nuked> emil:  kxdocker refuses to start for me
[11:47] <emil> mine says loading application...
[11:48] <emil> then it disappears from the application bar
[11:48] <emil> so it doesnt start for me either
[11:49] <Nuked> emil I believe the package is broken
[11:49] <Nuked> emil try running it in a terminal and pastebin the output
[11:51] <emil> how do I do that?
[11:51] <Nuked> !pastebin
[11:51] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:51] <robinsw_> Is there a task manager app installed with Kubuntu?
[11:51] <robinsw_> Need to kill a process
[11:51] <moparisthebest> jhutchins, I found exactly what I needed: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_boot_into_Windows_installed_on_a_seperate_SATA_drive
[11:52] <Nuked> well you can get a list of running progs by using ps ax in a terminal
[11:52] <Nuked> and using kill -9 "process id"
[11:52] <robinsw_> Great
[11:52] <robinsw_> Thanks
[11:53] <robinsw_> Worked perfect :)
[11:53] <Nuked> glad to have been able to help
[11:56] <zorknod> anyone up for a NIC car question?
[11:57] <emil> any other bar than kxdocker for kubuntu?
[11:57] <Nuked> emil there is gnome-dock
[11:57] <Nuked> or if you have beryl kiba-dock
[11:59] <claudio_> hi
[12:00] <robinsw_> Any idea why my download speeds seem to be a fraction of what they were with Windows?
[12:00] <emil> Kubuntu running KDE?
[12:01] <Kyral> ....no ****
[12:01] <emil> can I download themes and style from http://www.kde-look.org and use them?
[12:01] <emil> ^
[12:01] <verve> question: if i'm running Ubuntu with kubuntu-desktop installed, would i benefit from removing all the Gnome stuff?
[12:01] <emil> ^^
[12:01] <verve> or is it a good idea to just leave it?
[12:01] <Theory> verve: it's taking up disk space, but probably nothing else
[12:03] <robinsw_> Does Linux run a defrag itself or will I need to sort this out?
[12:03] <Kyral> robinsw_: The Linux Filesystems don't need defraging
[12:03] <Kyral> ever
[12:04] <claudio_> somebody know knetworkmanager a i need help
[12:05] <Kyral> robinsw_: Most of the usable filesystems on Unix based OSs take care of themselves. If they detect errors they will fix them the first chance they get
[12:06] <Kyral> robinsw_: FAT32 is the exeception
[12:06] <robinsw_> Ah, gotcha
[12:06] <robinsw_> Thanks
[12:06] <robinsw_> Does Linux not have the problem of throwing everything onto a drive in any place it can, then?
[12:07] <Kyral> robinsw_: I don't know exactly how they do it, but most of them have the concept of a "Journal"
[12:07] <Kyral> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3
[12:13] <guiye> hol
[12:13] <guiye> xD