[12:19] what is? [12:19] searching on irc handle [12:19] changing your username [12:19] oh really? [12:19] when will that go into effect? maybe tomorrow? [12:19] next rollout I guess, not sure [12:20] sweet, well then maybe I don't need to change it [12:20] no, you won't be cool until you change it [12:20] there's no fix-it-friday fix for that === LaserJock <3 fix-it Fridays :-) [12:21] LaserJock: or you could change your irc name ;) [12:21] tried that === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #launchpad [12:21] sistpoty cried that it changed his IRC nick coloring [12:22] :-) [12:22] haha [12:22] that and I just bought laserjock.us not long ago [12:23] it'd be a shame to get rid of my identity like that ;-) [12:23] quite. [12:23] people shouldn't change their irc nicks [12:23] does make me think of launchpad controlled domain switching [12:23] it's disconcerting [12:23] I think bhale has been the hardest one for me [12:24] cjwatson's was good because I always got him and Keybuk mixed up === mdke shakes head [12:24] Kamion? [12:24] I still mixed them up after I met them, which is a real feat [12:25] since they look nothing alike [12:25] WHOA [12:25] LarstiQ: yeah === LarstiQ tended to mix Colin Watson and Colin Walters [12:25] that makes sense :-) [12:26] but Colin and Scott? it must have been the irc nick that did it to me [12:26] although they were both archive admins and so they often were doing the same tasks [12:27] oh, since all that was OT I'll ask a real LP question. What do I need to do to remove a product and team? [12:27] is there a RT address for LP? [12:27] LaserJock: you need holy water, and a lot of luck [12:28] support ticket, but it can only be renamed [12:28] mdke: they should either not make them so easy to create or easier to get rid of [12:28] ;-) [12:28] the latter, definitely [12:29] I've got a product and team from a defunct project I was running [12:29] seems weird to just leave it there === mdke nods === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.48.78.3] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.48.78.3] has joined #launchpad === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.48.78.3] has joined #launchpad === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-135-240.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad === mtaylor__ is now known as mtaylor [02:46] thumper, please call me uneducated, then tell me how to apply kiko-afk's patch -- I used "patch -c < ./patch", and got "Only garbage was found in the patch input" === LarstiQ usually gets away with patch -p0 < ./patch [02:48] yep [02:48] -u looks more promising, but still claims not to be able to find the paths [02:48] mpt: sure it's a context diff? [02:48] Thank you LarstiQ [02:48] that worked [02:48] but I don't understand why === LarstiQ wouldn't supply either -c or -u [02:49] Why isn't "-p0" a no-op? [02:49] Stripping 0 components from file names [02:50] because otherwise it strips all [02:50] no idea who considers that a sane default [02:50] strips all? madness [02:50] anyway, thanks :-) [02:50] hysterical raisins I guess. [02:52] mpt: I was looking at Malone bug #1331 the other day and wondered what exactly you mean by "canned searches" [02:52] Malone bug 1331 in malone "Allow recording and use of canned searches" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1331 === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.48.78.3] has joined #launchpad === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #launchpad [03:31] ping $ROOM [03:31] heh [03:32] anyone know of a way to tie the info from a group , say ubuntu-dev to the lp-id ? [03:33] e.g. if i wanted to cycle through them and then goto each lp-id's page and import their +sshkeys [03:33] i see nothing tieing the two in ~ubuntu-dev/+rdf [03:34] short of parsing the html output ( ugh ) [03:36] we don't currently export the SSH keys in the RDF [03:36] you could submit a bug report [03:46] kk [03:46] thanks [03:46] i'll parse the html for now and make a bug report ;) [03:47] even exporting the userid would work , but url to sshkey == better [03:47] :) === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-135-240.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad [03:54] yay for kernel panics === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #launchpad === Topic for #launchpad: Developer meeting: Thu 25 Jan 2007, 1200UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 === Topic (#launchpad): set by matthewrevell at Mon Jan 22 09:26:09 2007 === #launchpad [freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg [04:56] network manager causes your computer to wake up 5 times a second to see if it has any timers worth handling [04:57] update-notifier is also bad [04:59] LarstiQ: the dhcdbd daemon that network-manager uses is particularly bad [05:01] LarstiQ: in its mainloop, rather than sleeping til the next timer is ready to fire (or a file descriptor is ready for read/write), it wakes up every 0.2 seconds === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.48.78.3] has joined #launchpad === czedlitz [n=czedlitz@ip70-161-80-244.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #launchpad === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.48.78.3] has joined #launchpad [07:35] New bug: #81082 in launchpad ""Australia/Perth" time zone needs updating" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81082 === Rinchen [n=Rinchen@ubuntu/member/rinchen] has joined #launchpad === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad === matthewrevell [n=matthew@82-47-116-40.cable.ubr05.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.48.78.3] has joined #launchpad [08:01] hi matthewrevell [08:02] LaserJock: Hi [08:02] LaserJock: I'm just about to go into a meeting, could we talk in an hour? [08:03] matthewrevell: perhaps, it's getting late here [08:03] if I'm not still awake we can maybe chat tomorrow === Keybuk [n=scott@scandic759.host.songnetworks.se] has joined #launchpad === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.48.78.3] has joined #launchpad === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.48.78.3] has joined #launchpad === fabbione [n=fabbione@vpn-nat.fabbione.net] has joined #launchpad === adrigen [n=adrigen@218-214-68-125.people.net.au] has joined #launchpad === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad === mdz [n=mdz@scandic759.host.songnetworks.se] has joined #launchpad === doko [n=doko@scandic759.host.songnetworks.se] has joined #launchpad === jinty [n=jinty@238.Red-83-49-48.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === seb128 [n=seb@scandic759.host.songnetworks.se] has joined #launchpad [09:24] matthewrevell: how's the meeting? :-) === carlos [n=carlos@187.Red-88-0-159.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad [09:28] morning [09:29] hi carlos [09:30] LaserJock: hey, all done. === jelmer_ [n=jelmer@a62-251-123-16.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #launchpad === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad === mdke lols at the last comment on https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+ticket/2796 [09:55] how does someone end up being a support contact on Launchpad without knowing it? [09:56] yeah, that had me wondering too [09:56] also, who's the bbb? [09:56] Better Business Bureau, afaik [09:56] some USAmerican thing [09:58] I hope he sues your asses [09:59] more seriously, will you write to him, explaining, or shall I? [09:59] Lawsuit-enforced usability [09:59] LOL [09:59] I will when I get up to that message in my Inbox, unless someone else got there first [10:00] cool [10:24] Could someone remind me how to push stuff unrelated to a project into my userspace? === ddaa [n=ddaa@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad [10:36] Hello === seb128 [n=seb@scandic759.host.songnetworks.se] has joined #launchpad === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.48.78.3] has joined #launchpad === cprov-out is now known as cprov [11:03] good morning ! === jelmer [n=jelmer@a62-251-123-16.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #launchpad === ddaa [n=ddaa@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@mail.foredil.it] has joined #launchpad === seb128 [n=seb@scandic759.host.songnetworks.se] has joined #launchpad === matthewrevell_ [n=matthew@82-47-116-40.cable.ubr05.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === pochu [n=Pochu@156.Red-88-1-151.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #launchpad [11:55] New bug: #81101 in malone "Ability to set milestones over email" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81101 === matthewrevell__ [n=matthew@82-47-116-40.cable.ubr05.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad [12:04] Could someone remind me how to push stuff unrelated to a project into my userspace? [12:05] New bug: #73875 in rosetta "Project needs a Translations page" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73875 [12:10] Odd_Bloke: what do you mean ? === matthewrevell__ is now known as matthewrevell === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #launchpad [12:18] lifeless: It is something along the lines of 'bzr push sftp://@bazaar.launchpad.net:~/+junk/' but that throws an error. === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@201.11.214.142] has joined #launchpad [12:20] [12:21] sftp://@bazaar.launchpad.net/~/+junk/' but that throws an error. [12:21] [12:21] Odd_Bloke: host:path is not a URL [12:21] hu [12:22] sftp://@bazaar.launchpad.net/~/+junk/ should wold [12:24] ddaa: Ah, that'll be the problem then. :p === Odd_Bloke was using scp syntax. [12:24] ddaa: Thanks. [12:24] Odd_Bloke: my pleasure === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-135-240.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === salgado [n=salgado@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === givr1 [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-79-124.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #launchpad [01:11] Hello launchpadien [01:11] is it normal that downlading new translations could take more than 4 days ? [01:12] i ask to download some before the weekend, and i didn't receive them yet === doko [n=doko@scandic759.host.songnetworks.se] has joined #launchpad [01:16] rosetta is probably on holiday... [01:17] anyway, i'll apply the new translation manually... [01:17] thanks [01:23] sigh [01:23] 6 minute holiday [01:25] New bug: #81112 in launchpad "Not possible to report bugs in epiphany-extention-gwget in launchpad" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81112 [01:27] hi === kiko-afk is now known as kiko === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.48.78.3] has joined #launchpad === pochu [n=Pochu@179.Red-88-7-169.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === marcus_notebook [n=mholthau@169.129.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #launchpad === fabbione [n=fabbione@vpn-nat.fabbione.net] has joined #launchpad === mdz [n=mdz@scandic759.host.songnetworks.se] has joined #launchpad === Keybuk [n=scott@scandic759.host.songnetworks.se] has joined #launchpad === pochu [n=Pochu@179.Red-88-7-169.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #launchpad ["Abandonando"] === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@mail.foredil.it] has joined #launchpad === Gwaihir is now known as Gwaihir_lavoro === carlos -> lunch === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #launchpad === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.48.78.3] has joined #launchpad === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.48.78.3] has joined #launchpad === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable207.210-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === kalikiana [n=kalikian@xdsl-87-78-34-107.netcologne.de] has joined #launchpad [03:18] I have a problem with launchpad: I want to download translations but I never get the email with the files. === cprov is now known as cprov-lunch [03:19] kalikiana, our exports are at the moment broken because of an issue in production; this is being investigated === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.48.78.3] has joined #launchpad [03:20] kiko: Good to know at least. Does this have to do with the errors I get every fourth time I click a link? === beuno [n=martin@68-155-114-200.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #launchpad [03:23] kalikiana, what OOPS id? [03:33] kiko: I don't have it open anymore, I may hit you when I get it again - as always I can't reproduce the error now that I tell you :/ [03:33] heh [03:33] we get it in the daily oops report, don't worry. === doko [n=doko@scandic759.host.songnetworks.se] has joined #launchpad === Gwaihir_lavoro is now known as Gwaihir === cprov-lunch is now known as cprov [04:35] New bug: #81127 in malone "multiple spaces collapsed in bug display" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81127 === kiko is now known as kiko-fud [04:36] dupe [04:45] New bug: #81129 in soyuz "contents-$arch.gz header text needs a review" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81129 [04:49] LarstiQ, did you see danilos' review? [04:49] kiko-fud: yes, haven't had a chance to respond yet [04:50] LarstiQ, your issue is actually easy to handle [04:50] anyway, fud [04:50] kiko-fud: I had the feeling we were talking past each other === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.48.78.3] has joined #launchpad === LarstiQ goes for groceries === Keybuk [n=scott@scandic759.host.songnetworks.se] has joined #launchpad === Keybuk [n=scott@scandic759.host.songnetworks.se] has joined #launchpad === WebMaven [n=webmaven@ip72-193-220-34.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #launchpad === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.48.78.3] has joined #launchpad === kiko-fud is now known as kiko [05:37] LarstiQ, maybe, but I think I understood what you needed === BjornT [n=bjorn@clt-84-32-240-183.dtiltas.lt] has joined #launchpad === seb128 [n=seb@scandic759.host.songnetworks.se] has joined #launchpad [05:45] New bug: #81134 in malone "Should be able to remove/hide comments from a bug" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81134 === medders [n=matt@81.168.72.134] has joined #launchpad [05:49] dupe === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #launchpad === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad === carlos [n=carlos@168.Red-88-17-199.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === jkakar [n=jkakar@204-174-36-228.unknown-dhcp802.dsl.ucc-net.ca] has joined #launchpad === phlackee [n=flaks@82.114.95.53] has joined #launchpad [06:43] I'm having :Timeout error on registration [06:43] ?? [06:45] phlackee, "Launchpad is offline at the moment for maintenance. It should be back, better than ever, soon. Thanks for your patience." [06:45] maybe that has something to do with it [06:45] thank you beuno [06:45] np ;) [06:45] 503 Service Unavailable [06:46] ;) [06:46] will be back today or ... [06:48] phlackee, you can be sure it will [06:48] I'd say (I have nothing to back this up), about 30 minutes or so [06:48] cool [06:48] sounds like an update to the code, nothing special [06:48] thanks again [06:48] ;) [06:49] np++ [06:51] should be back in a bit. === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #launchpad === flacoste is now known as flacoste_lunch === marcus_notebook [n=mholthau@johnny33.dersbach.ch] has joined #launchpad [07:24] carlos: you around? I was just reading the log about .desktop translations on Rosetta [07:25] LaserJock: I'm around, yes [07:25] carlos: seb128 talked about getting .desktops translated [07:26] kiko: with "we" I meant danilo and I, to be clear [07:26] I'm largely responsible for his "frustration" there [07:26] but this also came up with another spec I'm working on [07:26] I want to get .directory files translated as well [07:26] .directory are .desktop files with a different name [07:26] yep [07:27] but my comment was that these are a relatively small amount of packages that we are talking about [07:27] so I kinda feel like "langpacks-for-universe" is a bit overkill for solving this more immediate problem [07:28] LarstiQ, I think danilos understood you too. :-) [07:29] LaserJock: well, the I sent a proposal to MOTUs to allow some universe packages imported [07:30] that would be a way to ship those translations in the mean time, but it depends completely on MOTU people taking care of moving back from Rosetta to packages those translations [07:31] Goooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders! [07:31] carlos: put do we need to import the whole package? [07:32] as seb suggested, can we just have a .desktop "place"? [07:33] hey mpt [07:33] you got mail [07:33] yeah, piles of it [07:33] :-) === mdke tickles carlos about his email [07:34] carlos: if you could maybe send -motu another email with some more details. We had a MOTU meeting yesterday to discuss your email but nobody really knew what it involved [07:44] LaserJock: at the moment, you need to use intltool to get a .pot file from the .desktop and .directory files [07:44] LaserJock: we don't have native support for those files [07:45] mdke: hmmm, which email? [07:45] mdke: direct or thru a mailing list? [07:45] carlos: direct [07:45] carlos: well, I'd even take that, that should be easily scriptable [07:45] about pot templates for ubuntu-docs [07:45] mdke: I think I missed it... when did you send it? [07:45] oh, right [07:45] that one [07:45] carlos: weekend [07:45] I read it and forgot to answer... [07:45] :) [07:45] mdke: let me look for it... [07:46] carlos: I think the thing is most MOTUs have no interaction with Rosetta so we don't even know what we *can* do, or how to do it [07:46] LaserJock: most GNOME packages do it already [07:46] LaserJock: I know, and I just realised that I missed yesterday's meeting [07:46] that I was supposed to attend to talk about Rosetta... [07:46] grrr... [07:46] carlos: np, it was sort of short notice [07:47] I think for right now doing translating the whole of Universe would be a bit daunting ;-) [07:47] mdke: so, about the change [07:47] mdke: is it just a path change? [07:47] even whole packages might be hard because we would have to decide what packages to translate [07:48] carlos: sorry? [07:48] perhaps doing .desktop files would be a good way to ease into it [07:48] mdke: the ubuntu-doc change [07:49] mdke: is just that you moved the .pot files to another path [07:49] or file splits and things like that [07:49] or renames [07:49] carlos: everything [07:49] LaserJock: we could accept a .pot file and import it myself [07:49] so you get all those in a single place [07:50] but that's not something I'm too happy with... [07:50] hmmm, I have yet to master the art of working some of the same time as matthewrevell [07:50] carlos: yeah, that would be too much work for you [07:50] LaserJock: let me think on it ok? [07:50] carlos: sure, np [07:50] carlos: thanks for looking into at least [07:50] mdke: I'm just thinking about the way to reuse the templates from edgy [07:51] this .desktop thing has been a problem for us [07:51] mdke: if you link current one with a new one, I can handle that [07:51] carlos: yeah. there is a lot of previous material used [07:51] we'd like to have menu items for users, but they really should be translated [07:51] LaserJock: indeed [07:51] carlos: how do you mean "link"? [07:51] just tell me the mapping [07:52] carlos: ok, I should be able to do that. Mostly it's desktopguide -> * [07:52] and when we get the ones from Feisty, I will handle it [07:52] oh... [07:52] it's a 1 -> 1 relation [07:52] 1 -> n is not possible right now... [07:52] no, 1 -> 8 [07:52] ish [07:53] hmm [07:53] that should be handled manually, importing the .po files splitted already [07:53] don't you have that already done? [07:54] I mean, in svn [07:54] carlos: no, I haven't touched any edgy translations in relation to feisty [07:54] so your svn lacks any translation, right? [07:54] I've got the po files in our edgy branch, not in the feisty branch === phlackee [n=flaks@82.114.95.53] has joined #launchpad [07:56] well, I was talking about your feisty svn branch [07:56] no, we haven't got anything in there, I only just made the pot files [07:57] ok [07:57] so, the best thing is [07:57] get a full export from Rosetta [07:57] and merge the .po files with your .pot files [07:57] I have the edgy po files [07:57] and reimport that [07:57] ok. I have no idea how to do that :) [07:57] mdke: well, I guess Rosetta would have updated files [07:58] oh, sure [07:58] mdke: either danilo or me would be able to help you with that task === mdke nods [07:58] just tell use when do you want to do it and we will prepare the commands for you [07:58] mdke: sure, emailing any of us can do as well (since I like to test the commands before I give them to you :)) [07:59] I should arrange for one of you to have svn access maybe === phlackee_ [n=flaks@82.114.95.53] has joined #launchpad === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #launchpad [08:16] mdke: well, with read only access should be enough [08:16] carlos: ah, well you can get it already. [08:16] the other question was whether it's ok to have the pot files all in one directory... it's more convenient for me === jelmer [n=jelmer@a62-251-123-16.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #launchpad [08:17] LaserJock: next MOTU meeting is when I'm in a launchpad meeting at .br so I'm not completely sure whether I will be able to attend it... [08:17] mdke: it's fine but, where will you put the .po files? [08:18] carlos: I don't know. Good point. [08:18] mdke: that only means we will need to link any .po file you include in your tree with the right template (just the first time) [08:18] carlos: you know, I might make one big pot file instead for all the documents, that would work better I suppose [08:18] the only problem with that [08:19] is that people will not be able to work on it at the same time [08:19] in offline mode [08:19] online is possible, but a bit difficult to handle [08:20] well, they worked ok on desktopguide.pot, right? [08:20] this wouldn't be *that* much bigger, although it would be bigger [08:21] oh, I thought you were talking about merging every single .pot file [08:22] I need to have a think about this stuff [08:22] ok, feel free to ask us anything you need [08:23] thanks === b0ef [n=b0ef@084202024060.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #launchpad === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ppp-126-108.25-151.libero.it] has joined #launchpad [09:31] is it just me or is everyones karma staying the same (i would say atleast since friday the 19th [09:36] gnomefreak: I believe so [09:39] mine never seems to change much [09:40] mpt, ping? [09:40] gnomefreak, nightly.sh was busted. It should run tonight [09:41] kiko: ty === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [09:55] kiko, yo [09:55] mpt! === mpt wonders why the ContentlessPing plug-in isn't working [09:56] mpt, so, I have a new popup window patch for you. [09:56] kiko, you referred to it in your message, but there was no patch [09:56] have you mailed it since? [09:56] not yet [09:56] mpt: by Tollef? [09:56] mpt, https://sodium.ubuntu.com/~andrew/paste/filef6JJKU.html [09:56] LarstiQ, no, some random guy's port to XChat [09:57] http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/contentlessping-xchat.html [09:57] it loads successfully, it just hasn't done anything yet [09:57] thanks kiko, I'll have another look [09:59] mpt: ah, Dann Frazier. [10:00] Perhaps I need to un-comment the comments at the end... [10:01] mpt? [10:01] ? === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad [10:02] what comments? === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #launchpad [10:03] kiko, er, the comments at the end of http://dannf.org/src/contentlessping.py [10:03] Sorry, two conversations at once [10:04] ah === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #launchpad [10:22] LarstiQ, so let me get this straight. [10:23] LarstiQ, what you want is a POFile that you can submit upstream that contains translations made to Ubuntu packages by people that have signed a copyright agreement with upstream? [10:23] and nobody else? [10:23] to Ubuntu OOO packages [10:23] I emant. [10:23] meant. doh. === mdke pats [10:24] kiko: that would be workable I guess. [10:24] LarstiQ, is there something you'd prefer? === LarstiQ will have to ponder that a bit [10:25] kiko: I want to prevent http://svn.haxx.se/dev/archive-2006-08/0916.shtml [10:25] where a translator has gone through some effort but is turned down [10:26] surely simply the translation being the copyright of the translator will work [10:26] mdke: yup, but with more than one.. [10:27] meh. "The Subversion Project only accepts code whose [10:27] LarstiQ, well, the /compilation/ is in fact copyright canonical [10:27] copyright is assigned to CollabNet" [10:27] given we produced it [10:27] mdke: exactly. If they accepted bsd licensed translations there would be no problem at all. [10:27] but the individual translations are copyrighted by the original translators [10:27] LarstiQ, part of the plan is to clarify this as well. [10:28] LarstiQ: well there still would - it's the copyright they have a problem with, not the license [10:28] mdke: that is my point :) [10:28] they need the copyright to be assigned to them [10:28] silly unreasonable people === MagicFab [n=magicfab@ubuntu/member/magicfab] has joined #launchpad [10:28] mja, Sun and FSF do it too [10:28] LarstiQ, so would it be enough if we could guarantee that a) the file only contained translations made by people in a specific team and b) the copyright header clarified the above [10:29] LarstiQ, note we already have a translation team for the FSF which contains people who have signed copyright agreements. [10:29] man what a drag [10:29] so we'd just have to set up a parallel to this for OOO [10:29] kiko: ok, no problems with them then [10:29] kiko: and CollabNet supposedly [10:29] LarstiQ, if there were enough people interested, sure. [10:29] is that a workable solution? [10:30] so that means Ubuntu translations can't go upstream, given that the Ubuntu translators haven't signed such agreements [10:30] is bugmail broken? Haven't seen one since 17:38 [10:30] Seveas, might be. this sucks. [10:31] kiko: I tried second guessing intentions before by asking if BSD was enough, that failed. So now I check to make sure signing over copyright would work, other solutions I don't dare endorse. === LarstiQ wonders if that came out right [10:31] mdke: yup [10:31] that sucks [10:31] kiko, hrm, that makes testing ubugtu rather difficult :/ [10:31] mdke: and gives rise to friction [10:31] LarstiQ, some projects have their own policies. [10:31] or all projects do [10:31] my point is we just need to cope [10:32] Seveas: how much work would it be to have ubugtu do it's magic new bug announce in #bzr? [10:32] LarstiQ: right, but it's not Ubuntu's fault, it's upstream insisting on not accepting free material [10:32] LarstiQ, very little once I can debug him with new mail [10:32] mdke: not everyone agrees with that view [10:33] Seveas: k [10:33] Seveas, hold one, pinged elmo to help === kalikiana|away [n=kalikian@xdsl-87-78-32-67.netcologne.de] has joined #launchpad [10:33] LarstiQ: well, no offense, but if material is released under a wholly free license, they still aren't interested because they *need* to drag the copyright away from the authors? [10:33] only public domain material would work [10:34] anyway. [10:34] mdke, subversion isn't the only project that has this policy [10:34] Seveas: LarstiQ has said that [10:34] glibc and probably many other gnu projects have the same policy [10:34] mdke: arguably, copyright assignment is a very sensible thing to do [10:35] it makes things lik changing licenses easier [10:35] Seveas: that's the whole point of the translations being bsd [10:35] changing licenses is evil [10:35] mdke: see the current issues incase Linus would want the kernel to switch to GPL v3 === kiko runs [10:36] mdke: no, you can not change the license on bsd works [10:36] it's compatible with a whole lot though [10:36] you can use a compatible license, which is all of them [10:36] mdke: but you can't add extra restrictions [10:36] why would you? they're translations === carlos -> out [10:37] night!! [10:37] I don't think arguing that point will work :/ [10:39] perhaps I shouldn't be so sensitive to people bashing lp/ubuntu [10:39] bash em back [10:40] an eye for an eye and we'll all be blind === mdke nods in the vague direction of Seveas === cprov is now known as cprov-afk === thumper [n=tim@intern182.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@intern182.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #launchpad === jamesh [n=james@121.44.228.133] has joined #launchpad [11:02] Seveas, fixed. [11:02] nice [11:02] I'm going to fix that for good now [11:03] now I can fix ubugtu :) === jamesh_ [n=james@intern182.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #launchpad === Ppjet6 [n=ppjet6@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-130-254.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad === jamesh_ is now known as jamesh [11:05] New bug: #73875 in rosetta "Project needs a Translations page" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73875 [11:05] New bug: #78454 in launchpad "polls workflow when not voting is surprising" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78454 [11:05] New bug: #79674 in rosetta "List translatable upstreams on separate page, sample on front page" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79674 [11:05] New bug: #80244 in malone "Bugwatch update script failed to parse XML description" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80244 [11:05] New bug: #80527 in launchpad "The RDF Metadata provided don't have the WOT namespace" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80527 [11:05] New bug: #81129 in soyuz "contents-$arch.gz header text needs a review" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81129 [11:06] New bug: #81134 in malone "Should be able to remove/hide comments from a bug (dup-of: 1734)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81134 [11:06] New bug: #81158 in rosetta "Greek language name shouldn't be "Greek, Modern (1453-)"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81158 [11:06] whoppa [11:06] stupid bot [11:06] watch the flood roll in [11:06] aw [11:06] otherwise it would have quit for excess flood ;) === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #launchpad [11:11] there we go [11:11] will happen a few more times I expect [11:11] lp is now flooding my mailserver with new bugs :) [11:12] LarstiQ, poke === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #launchpad === LarstiQ poked [11:15] Seveas: ready to go? [11:15] LarstiQ, no [11:16]