[12:12] neuratix: ping [12:13] are you using xgl or something? [12:16] i don't know [12:16] I'm using whatever downloading the nvidia binary drivers got me. === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/bot/ubugtu] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [12:22] !slune [12:23] slune: 3D racing and car-crashing game. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.12-1 (edgy), package size 10441 kB, installed size 25828 kB === TomSwift [n=regerror@user-142h773.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === Crazytales2 is now known as Samuel_L_Jackson === Samuel_L_Jackson is now known as crazytales2 === masterservant [n=kvirc@74-134-148-13.dhcp.insightbb.com] has left #ubuntu-classroom ["So] === PWill [n=paul@cpe-24-208-190-43.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === masterservant [n=masterse@74-134-148-13.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === Crusher [n=You@124-254-104-151-dsl.ispone.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === ryanakca [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === coNP [n=conp@pool-02fcc.externet.hu] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === LjL [n=ljl@81-208-36-87.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === coNP [n=conp@pool-02fcc.externet.hu] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === BuffaloSoldier [n=integral@ubuntu/member/BuffaloSoldier] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === mnoir [n=bos@nwlnnhbas01-pool0-a41.nwlnnh.tds.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === mwalsh [n=mwalsh@ool-44c2311e.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === kiamo [n=kiamo@cpc1-leic1-0-0-cust100.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [03:13] ok here [03:13] this is a public place for longer discussions === eternalswd [n=eternals@wcnat-41-43.wheaton.edu] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [03:14] i see [03:14] that others might want to see and also used as a lecture hall :) [03:14] ok [03:14] you want to start? [03:14] so big problems on the ubuntu front lol [03:14] yessir [03:14] first - is your hardware fairly modern? very new? odd in any way? [03:15] built my rig in november, its really nice yes [03:15] ok - very new [03:15] you know what a bathtub curve is? [03:15] no. [03:15] a statistical thingie that says in this case [03:16] that the very old and the very new hardware [03:16] are more prone to problems than the medium :) [03:16] lol [03:16] how did it get its name... [03:16] looks loke the cross section of an old fashioned bathtub [03:17] actually plots hardware failures [03:17] i dont think this is a hardware based problem yet === kiamo shrugs and says "fair enough" [03:17] mwalsh: the reason i mention it is cuz you mentioned HAL problems [03:17] mhm [03:17] which stands for [03:17] that wasnt the only problem im having though [03:17] but we hold that point until evidence shows :) [03:18] ok - maybe i should let you list like the 5 big problems, i will not comment yet :) [03:18] ok [03:18] 1. Failed to initialize HAL On startup [03:19] 2. WHen I try to play movies it says TOtem could not start up cannot open resource for writing [03:19] 3. MY external hard drive only shows up when i do the ctrl. alt. backspace thing [03:19] 4. My other internal hard drive wont show up at all [03:19] 5. NOt all needed resolutions are listed and teh sound card isnt recognized. [03:20] 6.06 or 6.10 ? [03:20] 6.10 [03:20] one thing, need to check if dbus is running, also is this a dist-upgrade or fresh? [03:20] fresh [03:20] have you tried 6.06 [03:20] ? [03:20] nah, last one i used was hoary [03:20] lol [03:20] how good are you in unix? [03:21] just a question.... [03:21] :) [03:21] im a windows person, complete nub at unix [03:21] k :) [03:21] lets take the easy ones first [03:21] for reference, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17876 [03:21] lets. [03:22] eternalswd: ref to which #? [03:22] 1. [03:22] ok - can i investigate 4 first? [03:22] sure [03:22] no problem. might want to check and see if dbus-daemon is runnning on his computer though, just a thought [03:22] for 4 what kind of filesystem(s), what have you done to try to see them? [03:22] aah why cant i scroll up? [03:23] ok [03:23] eternalswd: i was thinking - could this affect the other problems? [03:23] possibly [03:23] uh the hard drive is ntfs [03:23] ok - short time on 4 then you get to lead on 1 :) [03:23] ok? === mnoir is a critical outage manager in a previous lifetime :) [03:24] yep [03:24] mnoir, please can you help me after :D [03:24] ok - mwalsh - what have you done to try to see your ntfs drive? [03:25] i cried [03:25] did you see it during install? [03:25] yes [03:25] uncle bill doesn't care if you cried :) [03:25] yeah [03:25] nice thing about this channel - we can flood a little :) [03:26] please cat out your /etc/fstab and paste the line that says ntfs in it [03:26] hmm, might want to check df to make sure it's not mounted. could be the gui just isn't aware [03:26] paste here i mean [03:26] could be - in a term [03:26] type df [03:26] mwalsh: i mean you - in a terminal type df and return [03:26] ok [03:26] haha [03:27] now wat [03:27] what came back at you? [03:27] a bunch of listtings [03:27] might want df -t ntfs? [03:27] my internal hd isnt there [03:27] it only has sda1 and sdc1, my external [03:27] not sdb [03:28] oh - I see [03:28] mhm [03:28] eternalswd: good call - is sdb supposed to be the ntfs? [03:28] it is [03:28] let me check, I've got one [03:28] not there at all - it is a usb external? [03:29] ok sdc is the usb external, and that shows up... my sdb is my internal ntfs and it doesnt show up [03:29] oh - I see - so ext is showing up? [03:29] yes [03:30] so we need to check why the ntfs is not showing up - first the config [03:30] the ntfs external is showing up === xeruno [n=xeruno@cable200-116-28-77.epm.net.co] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [03:30] paste the line that references it [03:30] /dev/sdc1 [03:31] whole line - i need the other end :) [03:31] /dev/sdc1 78148160 13427600 64720560 18% /media/Ext. H [03:31] hmm, I just noticed that my ntfs partition isn't mounted. probably the same problem. I never noticed since it's just a small partition for windows [03:32] this may be a larger problem, goes off to google. [03:32] eww- that Ext. H looks ugly [03:32] y [03:32] eternalswd: come back soon - you're valuable :) [03:32] mwalsh: cd /media please [03:32] ok [03:33] so that is the external which is showing up, not the problem drive [03:33] yes.. [03:33] ok - have you looked at files there - you happy with that one [03:33] we are slightly distracted but it is all good learning :) [03:34] kind of [03:34] meaning?? [03:34] well the video files on there wont open [03:34] but thats a differenr problem. [03:34] different problem - i agree - add to the list :) [03:34] ok - back to the bad one [03:34] it was on the list [03:35] ok - :) [03:35] lets go back to 4. [03:35] mhm [03:35] okay, I didn't have any problems manually mounting the ntfs drive. should be able to at least test whether that works [03:35] eternalswd: we are about to check to see what to mount. [03:36] ok [03:36] mwalsh: please type cat /etc/fstab [03:36] ok [03:36] cat /etc/fstab | grep ntfs might help [03:36] eternalswd: i never can get the perms stuff right on other ppl's systems and never have the problem myself so stand by ! [03:37] ok - file aint that long - if it is on the screen, paste the line with ntfs in it [03:37] i did [03:37] nothing happened [03:37] did what? [03:37] i pasted that line [03:37] with the ntfs [03:38] from the fstab? [03:38] cat /etc/fstab | grep ntfs [03:38] okay, that would be a problem. this is a second drive right, not a second partition? [03:38] no output - that means the install did not add it [03:38] correct [03:38] its a second drive [03:38] ls /dev | grep sdb [03:39] to see if it's detected at least === mnoir shuts up since he never seems to have this problem... [03:39] it says sdb and sdb1 [03:40] so sdb1 is a partition [03:40] good, it's detected. let's first manually mount it, then we'll add a line to your fstab so it "should" mount on boot [03:40] yes [03:40] well its like an 8mb partitions [03:40] sdb is the drive and 1 is the partition [03:40] partition* [03:40] yes [03:40] yeah [03:40] i guess [03:41] so how do i mount this sucka [03:41] on the win side it only has one drive letter? [03:41] yes! [03:41] first decide on where you want to mount it to [03:41] wat? [03:41] may i make a suggestion? [03:41] you could choose a directory like /media/windows [03:42] you need to mount it in a place that sounds meaningful to you [03:42] ok [03:42] exactly [03:42] /media/storage [03:42] what is on it? [03:42] thats wut i want [03:42] /media/storage [03:42] ok [03:42] sounds ok [03:42] mkdir /media/storage [03:42] from term [03:43] it says permission denied [03:43] ok [03:43] sudo mkdir /media/storage [03:43] do ig otta be root [03:43] sudo pls [03:43] then it will ask for your user password [03:43] ok [03:43] typed it in [03:43] sorry - not looking :) [03:43] pressed enter [03:44] pressed enter for the password? [03:44] after i typed my password [03:44] and it came right back? [03:44] it created it [03:44] good [03:44] have you heard the term mount point? [03:44] sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/storage/ -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222 [03:45] yes ive heard of mount points [03:45] do i put that in terminal eternal? [03:45] yeah, all of it on one line [03:45] eternalswd: why the slash after storage? [03:45] aaah im confused [03:45] not necessary [03:45] oh - I see [03:46] mwalsh: ask b4 typing then [03:46] t just spat a whole bunch of crap at me [03:46] was just force of habit of typing paths in the terminal all day long ;) [03:46] :) [03:46] paste here? [03:46] well i think its becaue all that stuff wasnt on one line [03:47] must be! - do again [03:47] ahh, that'll be problematic [03:47] well [03:47] it doesnt fit [03:47] impossible - the line goes on forever - do not worry about it wrapping [03:47] well, as long as you didn't hit enter, it's on one line, it's just been wrapped [03:47] ok [03:47] ok its good [03:47] noting happend [03:48] you can also make the terminal wider if you like :) [03:48] what was spewed out? [03:48] came back to prompt? [03:48] yeah [03:49] probably worked - unix is quiet like that :) [03:49] yeah [03:49] it did [03:49] cd to /media/storage [03:49] i test this stuff by just pasting it again and if it says its alredy happening i assuem [03:49] cd /storage [03:49] uuh - that can be dangerous [03:49] lol [03:49] oops [03:49] ok i cd'd [03:50] ls [03:50] what does ls show? [03:50] list of files and directories [03:50] yours? [03:50] yep [03:50] works [03:50] lol, I thought your were asking for explanation, got the student and teacher mixed up lol [03:51] umm i still cant navigate to it yet [03:51] :) [03:51] mwalsh: what do you mean - in a gui? [03:51] yes [03:51] okay, first let's edit your fstab, then we'll move onto 1. that may fix it [03:52] nautilus should be able to get there... [03:52] um. [03:52] i go to places [03:52] and computer [03:52] and nothing involving it is there [03:53] patience - eternalswd may be on to something [03:53] sorry - i gotta get up early to feed the sheep - looks like you are in good hands :)) [03:53] feed the sheep? [03:53] l8r [03:54] where do you live [03:54] mwalsh, the menu hasn't detected it, but if you go to your home directory in nautilus, just click the folder up button and navigate to the root / and then open media and then storage [03:54] they refuse to write code without hay and grain [03:54] haha [03:54] l8r :) [03:54] thanks man [03:54] et - swat teaming is fun! [03:55] none of that stuff is in root [03:55] oh [03:55] storage is here [03:55] sweet1 [03:55] how do i get it to appear tho [03:55] all in due time [03:55] first let's edit your fstab so that it mounts at boot [03:55] ok [03:56] uh can we do this with the external also [03:57] you stil here brother [03:57] yes. should work as long as you keep it plugged into the same slot [03:57] ok [03:57] so hwo [03:57] what filesystem for the usb drive? [03:57] ntfs [03:57] okay. you'll need to create another dir where you want to mount it to [03:58] alright [03:58] or as I recall, it's using /media/Ext. H [03:58] currently [03:58] i believe so [03:59] well, you can leave it there, but one without spaces is preferable, something like /media/external [03:59] ok [03:59] so how do i do that [03:59] sudo mkdir /media/external [04:00] ok [04:00] and how do i apply my hd to that [04:00] you can leave it where it is for now, it will change when you reboot [04:00] how will it magically know wat hd to put in there [04:01] that's what the fstab file takes care of [04:01] right [04:01] nice transitionl ol [04:02] first though, you said "df -t ntfs" didn't yield anything? [04:02] try it again [04:02] it yields my hd now [04:03] but only that one, not the usb? [04:03] no it gets hte usb one too [04:03] oh, okay, good [04:03] onto fstab [04:03] right. [04:04] first, we'll make a backup of your current one. when editting system files backups are a must even when you think you know what you're doing [04:04] sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab_backup [04:04] hm oddly enough even while using windows ive never used one lol [04:05] but i made it [04:05] this will copy fstab to fstab_backup [04:05] ok [04:05] then we'll edit your fstab. [04:05] ok [04:05] gksu gedit /etc/fstab [04:06] ok [04:06] do ctrl+f and see if you can find a line for your usb drive [04:06] you would search for sdc [04:07] nah [04:07] okay, we'll add two lines then, one for each drive. [04:07] ok [04:07] create a new line at the end of the file [04:08] ok [04:08] and paste the following line [04:08] /dev/sdb1 /media/storage ntfs nls=utf8,umask=0222 0 0 [04:08] ah i see wats going on here [04:08] gotcha [04:08] and the following [04:09] /dev/sdc1 /media/external ntfs nls=utf8,umask=0222 0 0 [04:09] on another new line [04:09] uh sdc is highleited any reason [04:09] that was from your find earlier [04:10] oh ok [04:10] cool [04:10] so do i gotta restart now [04:11] not yet, there's one other thing I want to see [04:11] oko [04:12] can i save this fstab [04:12] yes [04:12] would this have anythign to do with the HAL proble? [04:12] and close it [04:12] no, that's what I'm moving to now [04:12] ok === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === Topic for #ubuntu-classroom: Ubuntu Open Week has now finished - thanks , everyone! | The classroom schedule is located at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom | Transcripts and logs are at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts and http://www.tonyyarusso.is-a-geek.com/irclogs/openweek/ === Topic (#ubuntu-classroom): set by LjL at Wed Dec 27 23:28:58 2006 === #ubuntu-classroom [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup [04:44] (mwalsh/#ubuntu-classroom) http://pastebin.ca/325340 [04:44] (mwalsh/#ubuntu-classroom) sweet site ill have to use that to cheat in programming [04:47] you still here [04:47] alright, I'm checking on nvidia drivers right now [04:48] k [04:48] from term [04:48] sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx [04:48] may or may not be installed already [04:50] its dling something [04:50] good [04:50] ok now wat [04:51] go ahead and close gedit [04:51] then from term [04:51] sudo nvidia-xconfig [04:51] ok [04:52] now wat [04:53] close all your programs then you may need to write this down since we have to restart X, so the gui will go down for a little and you be stuck at a fullscreen terminal [04:53] ok hit me [04:54] you press ctrl+alt+backspace to shutdown X. fullscreen terminal will appear. type the command startx and enter [04:54] thats all? [04:54] yep [04:54] k === mwalsh [n=mwalsh@ool-44c2311e.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [04:55] ok dude [04:55] now wut [04:55] oh and [04:55] it restarte automatically [04:55] i didnt have to reput startx [04:56] I forgot, there's I thing ctrl+alt+f1 or something where it's term only [04:56] think* [04:56] oh [04:56] did i need to do that [04:56] no [04:56] ok [04:56] check and see if your desired resolution is available now [04:56] its not [04:57] same resses up tjere [04:57] no nvidia splashcreen either [04:57] it sed somewher eon the website that hsoudl show up [04:57] okay, may need a full restart, not sure [04:58] okely dokely [04:58] brb === kiamo [n=kiamo@cpc1-leic1-0-0-cust100.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [04:59] kiamo, still having problems? [04:59] yes [04:59] majorly [05:00] its closing in on the 3rd day of no joy now... === mwalsh [n=mwalsh@ool-44c2311e.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:00] ok dude i got the nvidia splashscreen but same resses and my ext. hd is gone now haah [05:00] okay [05:01] gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf [05:01] and http://pastebin.ca again please [05:02] http://pastebin.ca/325353 [05:02] it doesnt seem to recognize i have a widescreen display... [05:03] 1440x900 is what you want? [05:03] yes [05:04] okay, in gedit, scroll down to the bottom [05:05] k [05:05] and in the lines with "1440x1440" add after that "1440x900" === kiamo [n=kiamo@cpc1-leic1-0-0-cust100.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:06] ok.. but even in the gui nothing higher than 1152x864 shows up [05:06] do i save it now [05:06] that's probably because gnome is detecting your wide screen and disallowing others [05:07] ok [05:07] so do i save the xorg. [05:07] yeah [05:07] now wat [05:08] do ctrl+alt+backspace again. if x fails to start, you'll need to "sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf_backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and then "startx" from the fullscreen terminal [05:09] kiamo, still not able to play video? [05:09] nope [05:09] not at all [05:10] okay, what video card do you have, specific, not just brand [05:10]