| kent | pochu: we went from a more anarchistic community with meritocrasy (spelling?) to a more formal group with elected people, economy etc. Personally I think we did that in a wrong way, but even so.. we have a bit of a mess to solve. but nothings is impossible. :) | 12:14 |
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| pochu | kent: yes, we the spanish community also are having some problems | 12:15 |
| pochu | but I think we shouldn't talk about this on the -devel channel. Join #ubuntu-locoteams and we speak there | 12:16 |
| pochu | ;) | 12:16 |
| kent | pochu: ok. | 12:16 |
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| slomo_ | keescook: not useful... the unit tests require a configure flag which enables code that should not be in distribution packages... configure even warned about them last time i checked ;) | 12:28 |
| keescook | slomo_: oh! that's unfortunate. | 12:28 |
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| keescook | I had assumed it was just a check for building the tests or not. :( | 12:29 |
| slomo_ | keescook: yes... but otherwise the test suite seems to be really good ;) | 12:29 |
| keescook | it actually changes the binaries? | 12:29 |
| slomo_ | just not useful for packages | 12:29 |
| slomo_ | yes | 12:29 |
| keescook | dang | 12:29 |
| slomo_ | it enables additional asserts and other stuff | 12:29 |
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| keescook | well, this'll just be another use-case for doing package tests. :) | 12:31 |
| keescook | (and, you can ignore my email...) :) | 12:32 |
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| dosnlinux | would this be a good place to ask about why certain scripts do what they do? like why /etc/acpi/lid.sh checks the ac adapter before unthrottling xscreensaver | 02:57 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 09:04 |
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| iwj | http://www.pseudorandom.co.uk/2006/cthubuntu.png | 09:13 |
| tsmithe | eh? | 09:14 |
| fabbione | iwj: LOL | 09:14 |
| tsmithe | :( /me doesn't get it | 09:14 |
| Burgundavia | tsmithe: do you know what cthulu is? | 09:15 |
| Burgundavia | iwj: http://www.warbard.ca/temp/CthulhubuntuLogo.png | 09:15 |
| tsmithe | nope | 09:15 |
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| Burgundavia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu | 09:16 |
| iwj | I think the pseudorandom one is more in the authentic touchy-feely Ubuntu style. | 09:16 |
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| Keybuk | seb128: tomboy keeps crashing :-( | 09:17 |
| Burgundavia | iwj: latter is my brother, bored one evening | 09:17 |
| seb128 | slomo_: tomboy keeps crashing apparently :p | 09:17 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: slomo_ maintains it | 09:18 |
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| Burgundavia | iwj: last line of http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/12/14/2027244 | 09:19 |
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| seb128 | ogra: new gnome-power-manager tarball to package | 09:29 |
| ogra | finally ! | 09:29 |
| seb128 | yeah | 09:29 |
| ogra | thanks :) | 09:29 |
| seb128 | grab it while it's hot ;) | 09:30 |
| seb128 | np | 09:30 |
| seb128 | ogra: | 09:30 |
| seb128 | http://download.gnome.org/sources/gnome-power-manager/2.17/gnome-power-manager-2.17.90.tar.gz | 09:30 |
| ogra | heh, already there :) | 09:30 |
| seb128 | k | 09:30 |
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| slomo_ | Keybuk: that's good ;) works fine for me though.... if you have it as panel applet please run it from a terminal with "tomboy --panel-applet" and then add it to the panel again... and then put everything from the terminal into a bugreport... i'll look at it later today | 09:37 |
| Keybuk | Multiple document element was detected. Line 12, position 17. | 09:37 |
| Keybuk | it keeps saying that | 09:37 |
| slomo_ | hm | 09:38 |
| Keybuk | (plus running that doesn't show it on the panel :p) | 09:38 |
| slomo_ | did you use the bullet-point feature? | 09:38 |
| Keybuk | yes | 09:39 |
| Keybuk | quite extensively | 09:39 |
| slomo_ | Keybuk: ok... upstream told me that there seems to be a bug with this feature that generates broken xml files for the notes sometimes... and nobody could reproduce it :/ there should be instructions on how to fix it by hand on the tomboy mailinglist... | 09:40 |
| slomo_ | Keybuk: it's at least a known bug that is on top of their todo lists :) | 09:40 |
| Keybuk | do you have a link? | 09:40 |
| Keybuk | (e.g. to the mailing list!) | 09:41 |
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| slomo_ | Keybuk: http://lists.beatniksoftware.com/pipermail/tomboy-list-beatniksoftware.com/2006-December/000067.html | 09:42 |
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| Keybuk | slomo_: thanks | 09:46 |
| Keybuk | that fixes it | 09:46 |
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| lifeless | mvo: http://people.ubuntu.com/~robertc/possible-conflicts.txt - look for tuxtype | 09:53 |
| mvo | lifeless: ah, nice! | 09:53 |
| lifeless | yeah, but its still buggy :( | 09:54 |
| mvo | oh? how so? | 09:54 |
| lifeless | look for tuxtype :) | 09:54 |
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| desrt | pitti; hello | 10:34 |
| pitti | hey desrt | 10:34 |
| desrt | pitti; there's a small problem in feisty related to that patch i hacked up | 10:34 |
| pitti | desrt: the macbook one? | 10:35 |
| desrt | turns out that the feisty kernel (dapper didn't do this) clobbers the backlight register on resume from sleep | 10:35 |
| desrt | sets it to all-zeros | 10:35 |
| lifeless | BenC: are you benc@u.c ? | 10:36 |
| desrt | no idea why -- but it will need to be fixed too | 10:36 |
| BenC | lifeless: bcollins@u.c | 10:36 |
| desrt | BenC; i don't suppose you've seen any reports of this yet? | 10:37 |
| ogra | seb128, g-p-m will be problematic :( the functions we apply the libpam-foreground patch to is just vanished ... no mention in the changelog or something :( | 10:37 |
| desrt | [just quickly if you have so i can avoid fighting launchpad for info] | 10:37 |
| seb128 | ogra: you know upstream, right? ;) | 10:37 |
| ogra | yes, i mailed him and i'm in #hal ... | 10:37 |
| seb128 | ok, wait to get a reply from him probably then | 10:38 |
| ogra | but still, it seems there is no replacement for gpm_manager_is_policy_timout_valid() at all ... | 10:38 |
| seb128 | that will be easier that way | 10:38 |
| seb128 | there is a new gnome-screensaver to package if you want ;) | 10:38 |
| ogra | heh, yes ... i wanted to update the new default saver as well ... thats good | 10:38 |
| lifeless | BenC: thanks | 10:39 |
| tfheen | mvo: about ; https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/popularity-contest/+bug/51149 what with the last comment? | 10:39 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 51149 in popularity-contest "popularity-contest does not work out of the box" [High,In progress] | 10:39 |
| mvo | tfheen: reading it now | 10:40 |
| tfheen | mvo: also, as you can see ubuntu-archive isn't subscribed. | 10:40 |
| mvo | tfheen: subscribed the ubuntu-archive team. libnfsidmap2 needs the same priority as libnfsidmap1. can you do it? or should I write a bugreport? | 10:42 |
| tfheen | mvo: I can just change that | 10:42 |
| mvo | tfheen: that would be good, thanks | 10:43 |
| mvo | it confuses the upgrade | 10:43 |
| tfheen | fixed. | 10:44 |
| mvo | thanks! | 10:45 |
| dholbach | ogra: new gnome-power-manager and new gnome-screensaver | 10:47 |
| mvo | tfheen: it will be in the archive with the next archive update? | 10:47 |
| tfheen | mvo: yes. | 10:47 |
| ogra | dholbach, see backlog :P | 10:47 |
| dholbach | ok | 10:48 |
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| fabbione | hmm | 10:54 |
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| fabbione | seb128, dholbach: Package: libgnomevfs2-0 -> Depends: libgamin0 | libfam0 | 10:55 |
| fabbione | did you two say that we don't use gamin anymore? | 10:55 |
| desrt | pitti; vbetool is a workaround to the problem. vbetool is still broken on macbook, though, due to incorrect sequencing of the startup scripts in rc2.d | 10:55 |
| seb128 | fabbione: we don't, gam_server should not be running | 10:55 |
| desrt | pitti; choose your poison :) | 10:55 |
| seb128 | fabbione: the problem is inotify doesn't work everywhere | 10:55 |
| fabbione | seb128: ok so why do I get the "end from FAM server connection" error from libgamin0 ? | 10:55 |
| seb128 | fabbione: and when inotify doesn't work it fallbacks to gam_server then | 10:55 |
| fabbione | feh | 10:56 |
| fabbione | ok | 10:56 |
| seb128 | because you use NFS where inotiy doesn't work? | 10:56 |
| fabbione | i guess i will have to go back hacking idiotify | 10:56 |
| pitti | desrt: (sorry, in a meeting, will catch up later) | 10:56 |
| desrt | pitti; no prob. i'll write some more info into the bug | 10:56 |
| desrt | cheers | 10:56 |
| fabbione | seb128: it did work from breezy and broke only recently | 10:56 |
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| seb128 | fabbione: maybe a new bug in the gnome-vfs gam code, that needs debugging | 10:57 |
| fabbione | seb128: yeah somewhere | 10:57 |
| tfheen | mvo: hmm, but your upload doesn't disable compression, does it? | 10:58 |
| tfheen | hm | 10:58 |
| tfheen | it does. | 10:58 |
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| ogra | seb128, how do the volume control hotkeys work, arent they supposed to use the backend i selected as default for the mixer applet ? | 11:00 |
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| seb128 | ogra: no, the device selection is to the sound capplet | 11:01 |
| seb128 | that's not the one from the applet | 11:01 |
| ogra | hmm, so i cant change the hotkey backend at all ? | 11:01 |
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| ogra | ah, sorry | 11:01 |
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| ogra | yay, works :) | 11:02 |
| ogra | seb128, thaks | 11:02 |
| ogra | +n | 11:02 |
| seb128 | np | 11:03 |
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| tfheen | crimsun: I'm rejecting your curl upload, it's not been approved by the SRU team. | 11:06 |
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| cjwatson | mvo: do you know what the comments from Mr Canis on that bug are about? | 11:17 |
| cjwatson | mvo: (the popcon bug) | 11:17 |
| mvo | cjwatson: yes, I commented about it. I was asking him what the exact error was | 11:17 |
| cjwatson | ok, thanks | 11:17 |
| cjwatson | let the bug know if it needs to be changed, obviously | 11:18 |
| mvo | cjwatson: the feisty version works well so far | 11:18 |
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| lifeless | keescook: Zak says hi | 11:25 |
| lifeless | (your clone) | 11:25 |
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| tfheen | mvo: why have you uploaded two update-managers with the same version number? | 11:46 |
| mvo | tfheen: probably a mistake. both to edgy-proposed? why does the archive not reject them then? are they identical? | 11:47 |
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| tfheen | mvo: yes, both to -proposed. | 11:47 |
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| Ubugtu | Malone bug 63132 in fuse "fuse-utils 2.5.3-2.1ubuntu3 installation (edgy) crashes in post installation phase" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63132 | 11:48 |
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| tfheen | ogra: "does not work in edgy" => SRU. "New version with shiny feature" => backport. | 11:49 |
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| ogra | tfheen, does not work in edgy if i compiled my own kernel too ? | 11:49 |
| ogra | we dont support monolithic kernels, so i'm a bit ambivalent | 11:49 |
| Mithrandir | it's not appropriate for a backport; it's a bug fix, not a shiny, new feature. | 11:49 |
| ogra | ok | 11:50 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: there's a kernel in -proposed; we should just accept it, assuming the version number is sane-ish? | 11:50 |
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| Mithrandir | mvo: they're the same; I'll reject the newest one. | 11:53 |
| mvo | Mithrandir: thanks and sorry | 11:53 |
| Mithrandir | mvo: np. IMO, soyuz shouldn't allow you to upload two entries with the same version to a queue. | 11:54 |
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| pochu | Mithrandir: I don't know if you know this, but the latest updates have broken my wireless | 11:58 |
| pochu | Just to notice you about this | 11:58 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: yes, per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates | 11:58 |
| Mithrandir | pochu: "the lastest updates"? | 11:58 |
| pochu | yesterday ones | 11:58 |
| pochu | this morning I have boot and it doesn't work | 11:58 |
| pochu | I'm with the wire | 11:59 |
| cjwatson | at the very least you need to state what release you're running | 11:59 |
| Mithrandir | pochu: which distro are you running? | 11:59 |
| pochu | Feisty, of course | 11:59 |
| pochu | yep, I know it's development | 11:59 |
| Mithrandir | well, file a bug, then | 11:59 |
| pochu | oh well | 11:59 |
| pochu | thanks | 11:59 |
| sfllaw | pitti: Ping? | 12:01 |
| sfllaw | pitti: Does apport log the architecture? | 12:01 |
| pitti | sfllaw: yes, in Uname: | 12:02 |
| sfllaw | Ah yes. | 12:02 |
| sfllaw | I see now. | 12:03 |
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| Mithrandir | cjwatson,mvo : we need to discuss an SRU procedure for app-install-data{,-commercial} | 12:23 |
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| mvo | Mithrandir: yes, if we could do that today, that would be great. only "app-install-data-commercial" is affected | 12:24 |
| mvo | cjwatson: ---^ | 12:24 |
| Mithrandir | mvo: well, if we for some reason would want to update the normal one, the same procedure would probably be followed. | 12:24 |
| mvo | right | 12:24 |
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| cjwatson | Mithrandir: after lunch? | 12:27 |
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| Mithrandir | cjwatson: sure | 12:39 |
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| seb128 | Mithrandir: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/81108 is most likely a duplicate, on what package should I look for the bug? ;) | 12:53 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 81108 in Ubuntu "machine doesn't restart when pressing enter after cd eject on live session or install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 12:53 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: casper. | 12:56 |
| Mithrandir | and it's a dupe, yes. | 12:56 |
| seb128 | thank you | 12:56 |
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| jwendell | !info firefox | 02:07 |
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| gpocentek | Mithrandir: is it possible to get thunar out of new? it has a new binary package (thunar-doc) | 02:14 |
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| cjwatson | gpocentek: we'll have pitti do that in a moment | 02:28 |
| gpocentek | cjwatson: great, thanks, and thanks pitti :) | 02:29 |
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| erdinc | hi everyone | 02:57 |
| erdinc | crimsun you got a sec? | 02:57 |
| Hobbsee | erdinc: contentless ping warning | 02:57 |
| erdinc | is there anyone who is using vlc? | 02:58 |
| Hobbsee | sounds like a #ubuntu type question - please see the /topic | 02:59 |
| erdinc | not exactly | 02:59 |
| Hobbsee | might help if you actually asked it, too | 03:00 |
| erdinc | in ubuntu vlc has a static link to ffmpeg or dynamic? | 03:00 |
| Hobbsee | dunno, sorry | 03:00 |
| erdinc | I checked redhat fedora and suse all made as static link to ffmpeg | 03:01 |
| erdinc | anyway thanx | 03:01 |
| erdinc | sorry to disturb | 03:01 |
| ogra | erdinc, crimsun is on US time ... might be a bit early for him | 03:02 |
| erdinc | :) I saw he is away for 9hours :) | 03:02 |
| erdinc | I'll come at night to ask again thank you all | 03:03 |
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| saispo | how can i debug debian-installer please ? | 03:36 |
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| cjwatson | saispo: more information please | 03:41 |
| cjwatson | saispo: also, #ubuntu-installer | 03:41 |
| pitti | gpocentek: I did your sync (my first one, yay :) ) | 03:42 |
| pitti | gpocentek: erm, s/sync/new/ | 03:42 |
| gpocentek | pitti: thanks and congrats :) | 03:42 |
| saispo | hi cjwatson :) | 03:42 |
| jdong | cjwatson: can you do a quick backport for me.... bug 80642.... due to Flash 9 becoming final all flash 9 beta packages will no longer work | 03:45 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 80642 in edgy-backports "please backport flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.31" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80642 | 03:45 |
| jdong | (adobe removed the flash9beta tarball from their download servers; installing will result in a wget error) | 03:45 |
| Mithrandir | jdong: sounds like an SRU candidate to me. | 03:48 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: there's already a backport | 03:48 |
| Mithrandir | oh, ok | 03:48 |
| jdong | Mithrandir: flash7 in edgy/dapper still work | 03:48 |
| jdong | (I think) | 03:48 |
| cjwatson | jdong: just apper, or edgy too? | 03:48 |
| cjwatson | er, dapper | 03:48 |
| jdong | cjwatson: both | 03:48 |
| cjwatson | only dapper seems to be approved | 03:48 |
| Mithrandir | I was about to add that as extra condition. | 03:48 |
| jdong | cjwatson: really? I just hit the approval button on both.... | 03:48 |
| jdong | edgy was approved earlier in the discussion | 03:49 |
| cjwatson | there's no approved comment for edgy | 03:49 |
| jdong | yeah, first comment, edgy was approved | 03:49 |
| cjwatson | oh, duh | 03:49 |
| cjwatson | sorry, missed that | 03:49 |
| jdong | no problem :) | 03:50 |
| cjwatson | I don't know what bug states reliably represent backport approval | 03:50 |
| jdong | cjwatson: I use in progress to represent approval | 03:50 |
| jdong | of course that doesn't preclude anyone else from hitting the in progress button.... | 03:50 |
| cjwatson | yeah, that's why I look for comments from a member of ubuntu-backporters | 03:50 |
| cjwatson | although I could use the activity log, granted | 03:50 |
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| cjwatson | jdong: done | 03:55 |
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| Mithrandir | StevenK,siretart : could either of you look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/spampd/+bug/76861 please? | 04:06 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 76861 in spampd "[SRU] spampd 2.30" [Undecided,In progress] | 04:06 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 04:13 |
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| GNUro | Hi! | 04:23 |
| siretart | Mithrandir: +1 | 04:24 |
| Mithrandir | siretart: can you note it in the bug log too? | 04:25 |
| Mithrandir | siretart: and thanks. :-) | 04:25 |
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| Mithrandir | hurrah, edgy-proposed down to one entry (which we need to decide on a policy for) | 04:33 |
| crimsun | Mithrandir: hmm, I thought https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/curl/+bug/73447/comments/4 was the approval. | 04:34 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 73447 in curl "SRU Request to fix Curl Segfault" [Low,Confirmed] | 04:34 |
| Mithrandir | crimsun: I must have been asleep, let me recheck | 04:36 |
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| Mithrandir | crimsun: accepted | 04:39 |
| crimsun | Mithrandir: thank you | 04:39 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: so where's this archive admin greasemonkey script of yours? | 04:43 |
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| Mithrandir | cjwatson: http://err.no/src/pasteandmark.user.js and you want to patch greasemonkey with http://err.no/patches/greasemonkey_GM_fromClipboard.diff too | 04:48 |
| Mithrandir | alt-shift-[qwertyuio] to open/close tasks, alt-shift-p to paste clipboard, mark as fix released, assigned to you (in the open task). Alt-shift-s to submit the form. | 04:51 |
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| Keybuk | meh; can't get FreeDOS to work :-/ | 04:54 |
| ogra | why do you want that ? | 04:55 |
| _ion | Are you going to replace autoexec.bat with upstart? | 04:55 |
| Keybuk | to update my laptop's bios | 04:55 |
| _ion | ;-) | 04:55 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: How are you trying to get it to work? | 04:55 |
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| Keybuk | mjg59: usb disk, formatted as a bootable hard disk -- it boots the freedos kernel and hangs | 04:56 |
| mjg59 | Just dump a freedos image in /boot and then set grub up to boot it using memdisk | 04:56 |
| Keybuk | memdisk? | 04:57 |
| mjg59 | Part of isolinux | 05:00 |
| mjg59 | Uh, syslinux | 05:00 |
| mjg59 | You boot memdisk as the kernel, give it a floppy image (1.44 or 2.88) as an initrd, and then it does magic | 05:00 |
| Keybuk | does it have to be 1.44 or 2.88 ? | 05:00 |
| mjg59 | It emulates floppy access, so I doubt bigger will work | 05:01 |
| mjg59 | But I haven't seen a BIOS update that won't fit on a 1.44MB floppy yet | 05:01 |
| Keybuk | I guess I just need command.com and kernel.sys ? | 05:01 |
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| Keybuk | what does root have to be? | 05:03 |
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| mjg59 | And a boot sector oh neve rmind | 05:04 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, cjwatson, could one of you approve python-ltsp ? i have some people wanting to contribute that poke me all the time ... | 05:05 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: I'm doing -proposed and -updates, I might do source new afterwards. | 05:06 |
| ogra | that'd be cool, thanks | 05:06 |
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| Keybuk | mjg59: sweet, that worked. thanks | 05:13 |
| mjg59 | Winning | 05:13 |
| Mithrandir | dapper-proposed emptied out. | 05:13 |
| Keybuk | . o O { if only you could flash your bios from vmware } | 05:13 |
| mjg59 | Hm. | 05:14 |
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| mjg59 | Keybuk: Some time, we should really provide a package for doing that sort of thing magically | 05:14 |
| Keybuk | yea | 05:14 |
| Keybuk | I found an evil perl script to turn a file/block device into a "bootable" dos image | 05:15 |
| Keybuk | it used nasm | 05:15 |
| mjg59 | ... | 05:16 |
| mjg59 | Oh, that makes sense | 05:16 |
| Keybuk | dosemu wasn't being helpful, it either complained that I couldn't use a "whole disk image" or would only boot from it | 05:18 |
| lifeless | qemu perhaps | 05:18 |
| mjg59 | lifeless: Does qemu provide hardware-level access? | 05:18 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: I'd be very scared indeed if vmware let you flash your bios | 05:18 |
| mjg59 | Certain issues of what virtualisation actually means... | 05:18 |
| Keybuk | I find it kooky that this laptop has a CPU that provides virtualization features | 05:18 |
| lifeless | mjg59: no | 05:19 |
| mjg59 | lifeless: Not likely to be helpful for bios upgrades, then :) | 05:19 |
| lifeless | mjg59: but being a machine emulator should boot rather better I'd expect | 05:19 |
| mjg59 | dosemu can pass io port access through to the hardware | 05:20 |
| mjg59 | So there's actually a reasonable chance of it working | 05:20 |
| mjg59 | Also a reasonable chance of it bricking your hardware | 05:20 |
| Keybuk | dosemu didn't work directly because it was in protected mode | 05:20 |
| Keybuk | and also wasn't helpful for trying to make a bootable image | 05:20 |
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| neuralis | mjg59: by the way, have you had reports of strange EC lockups after resume in HP's newish business-series laptops? | 05:34 |
| \sh | dear gnome main devs, I have to say, gnome looks awesome in feisty...:) | 05:43 |
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| ogra | \sh, where exactly ? | 05:43 |
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| \sh | ogra, the control center is quite cool... | 05:44 |
| ogra | argh | 05:44 |
| ogra | not really imho | 05:44 |
| \sh | I like it, feels like the kde-systemsettings now | 05:44 |
| ogra | yes | 05:45 |
| ogra | and its slowing you down a lot | 05:45 |
| ogra | like KDE | 05:45 |
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| Riddell | how does it slow you down? | 05:45 |
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| ogra | Riddell, in the former variant i could just quickly click on the item i needed ... now i have to wait until a window pops up and then i have to search for the item | 05:46 |
| ogra | menus are simply faster | 05:46 |
| Riddell | hasn't that been in upstream gnome for ages as default? | 05:46 |
| ogra | additionally i have a lot of stuff in the system tools menu (due to edubuntu and ltsp) | 05:46 |
| ogra | so my control center is horribly full | 05:47 |
| \sh | Riddell, i never used gnome upstream | 05:47 |
| ogra | Riddell, it was dropped for usability reasons in gnome 2.2 or so ... | 05:47 |
| ogra | it was there in the beginning of the 2.x seriaes | 05:47 |
| ogra | but after the first usability study they disabled it ... | 05:47 |
| \sh | the only thing which I don't understand is this addressbook panel plugin, and I don't like evolution, because it's too slow when I work with my imap server. tbird is much faster, so is kmail | 05:48 |
| Riddell | ogra: I see, thanks | 05:49 |
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| sfllaw | Mithrandir: Ping? | 05:50 |
| sfllaw | Mithrandir: Can you look at bug 59946? | 05:50 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 59946 in xubuntu-system-tools "Admin tools require admin group membership" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59946 | 05:50 |
| sfllaw | Mithrandir: It seems like gnome-nettool hasn't been accepted into edgy-proposed. | 05:51 |
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| Mithrandir | sfllaw: doesn't seem to have been uploaded. | 05:58 |
| sfllaw | pitti: Ping? | 05:58 |
| sfllaw | pitti: In #59946 (see above) you seem to have touched lots of packages. | 05:58 |
| pitti | sfllaw: right | 05:59 |
| sfllaw | pitti: Are gnome-panel, gnome-applets, gnome-netstatus, gnome-nettool, gnome-system-tools, and gnome-nettool the only ones? | 05:59 |
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| pitti | sfllaw: system-tools-backends too | 06:00 |
| sfllaw | pitti: Because it looks like gnome-nettool isn't in edgy-proposed because you didn't upload it. | 06:00 |
| sfllaw | Yes, that too. | 06:01 |
| pitti | sfllaw: gnome-nettool was broken before already, we could do that separately (seb128 did that patch) | 06:01 |
| sfllaw | So I don't have to test that gnome-nettool works correctly? | 06:03 |
| sfllaw | And if so, can we have a bug number that will be SRUed? | 06:03 |
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| sfllaw | pitti: ? | 06:06 |
| pitti | sfllaw: yes, and yes | 06:06 |
| pitti | seb128: you mentioned that there already was a bug about gnome-nettool? | 06:06 |
| Riddell | mvo: able to look at konsole with me for a sec? | 06:07 |
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| ogra | Riddell, as QT guy, what do you think about replacing scribus in main with scribus-ng ? | 06:18 |
| Riddell | ogra: what's scribus-ng? | 06:19 |
| ogra | the 1.3 version afaik | 06:20 |
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| ogra | the one we have in main is 1.2 | 06:20 |
| Riddell | right. I believe it's pretty stable, but I'd want to ask the scribus people if they'd get annoyed if we did that | 06:20 |
| ogra | but 1.3 is already nearly a year old ... | 06:20 |
| ogra | ok | 06:20 |
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| Riddell | unfortunately I've forgotten the password to the top secret scribus developers channel | 06:21 |
| Riddell | we could just have both packages in the archives | 06:22 |
| ogra | we do already | 06:22 |
| ogra | but we shouldnt have both in main | 06:22 |
| ogra | i just asked in #scribus | 06:22 |
| Riddell | I see | 06:22 |
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| keescook | lifeless: heh. tell him "hi" for me too. :) I chatted with him briefly at LCA | 06:36 |
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| \sh | gnomefreak, ping...do you know if #74887 happens in dapper, edgy or feisty? :) | 07:18 |
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| LaserJock | is there a time where MIRs and promotions to Main stop happening? I'm guessing maybe FF | 08:34 |
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| somerville32 | The MIR I filed weeks ago has yet to be reviewed, lol | 08:40 |
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| visik7 | hi | 09:06 |
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| gnomefreak | \sh_away: its edgy i havent tested it on feisty since im using ff3.0 on feisty. | 09:22 |
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| siretart | enrico: around? I'd like to talk to you about python-debian | 10:07 |
| enrico | siretart: hi | 10:10 |
| enrico | siretart: let's talk | 10:10 |
| siretart | sure! :) | 10:11 |
| siretart | feisty has bzr 0.14 now, and I'd like to have bzr-buildpackage updated | 10:11 |
| siretart | unfortunately, it depends on python-debian_0.1.1, which is not in debian yet | 10:11 |
| siretart | enrico: what are your plans about python-debian in the short term? | 10:12 |
| enrico | wow, really? | 10:12 |
| enrico | it's in experimental atm | 10:12 |
| enrico | just two days ago I posted to the list proposing to upload in unstable | 10:12 |
| enrico | no reply so far afaik | 10:12 |
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| enrico | it's in experimental because it was uploaded during the etch freezish, where the idea was "only upload to unstable what's for etch" | 10:14 |
| enrico | siretart: if you can pull it from exerimental into feisty, I'd say you can do it | 10:14 |
| siretart | enrico: that's fair enough. feisty is currently not in freeze, and I'd like to have something usable there | 10:14 |
| siretart | enrico: the package from experimental is in feisty since some days now, but it seems I need something newer for james' 0.14 branch | 10:15 |
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| enrico | siretart: oh | 10:17 |
| siretart | enrico: I'd really appreciate an upload to unstable. we neededn't request a sync to testing, so etch should be safe for python-debian | 10:17 |
| enrico | siretart: I'll post to the list again saying that we have another reason for unstable | 10:18 |
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| siretart | enrico: does python-debian 0.1.1 include python-deb822? | 10:19 |
| enrico | siretart: it should | 10:19 |
| siretart | that'd be cool | 10:19 |
| siretart | okay, subscribed to both mailing lists | 10:20 |
| enrico | siretart: I admit I still haven't figured out what's the purpose: dato had something in mind, but he is now on extended leave | 10:21 |
| siretart | enrico: I hope he's doing better now, or in the mean time... | 10:22 |
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| siretart | enrico: would you please ping me on irc when python-debian hits debian (no matter if unstable or experimental) | 10:39 |
| siretart | enrico: I'd like to merge it into feisty | 10:39 |
| enrico | siretart: I might not remember in this period | 10:39 |
| enrico | siretart: but if you subscribed to the list, you should see it | 10:39 |
| siretart | enrico: already done. okay | 10:40 |
| enrico | siretart: thanks | 10:42 |
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| Evaso2 | i was starting a discussion on debian about this release method http://wiki.debian.org/LivingSystem | 12:01 |
| Evaso2 | do u think that could be used also for ubuntu instead of time based release? | 12:02 |
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| LaserJock | Evaso2: interesting idea, kinda needs more development (the wiki page is a bit confusing). However, I would think it would be harder business users and people offering support | 12:06 |
| LaserJock | how would you propose going about radical changes? | 12:07 |
| Evaso2 | LaserJock... sorry it is only a very rought wiki stub | 12:07 |
| LaserJock | sometimes you can just incrementall approach a change | 12:07 |
| Evaso2 | it was started by me moths ago (i'm not native english) | 12:08 |
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| Evaso2 | and was modified by StephenKeeling | 12:08 |
| Evaso2 | on 2006-03-28 | 12:08 |
| Evaso2 | Support is not a problem | 12:09 |
| LaserJock | if you have a constantly moving target it would be I should think | 12:09 |
| LaserJock | what "daily" snapshot do you support? | 12:09 |
| Evaso2 | LaserJock the policy will be oriented at a slowly upgrade | 12:10 |
| ajmitch | but you haven't said why it's not a problem | 12:10 |
| LaserJock | Debian/Ubuntu today could be different than Debian/Ubuntu 3 months from now | 12:10 |
| Evaso2 | it is so slowly that almos all users could follow "stable" updates | 12:10 |
| LaserJock | how do you support that? | 12:10 |
| Evaso2 | so u support the actual system that all customers must to follow | 12:11 |
| LaserJock | so you are relying on people constantly updating to the latest "stable" | 12:11 |
| Evaso2 | yes it is a kind of advanced concept of backport to security | 12:12 |
| LaserJock | so what happens when, for instance, Debian switches from python2.3 to python 2.4 | 12:12 |
| Evaso2 | there could be introduced with the right polices to stable a trasaction system of dependecies like in DBMS | 12:12 |
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